June 18, 2025 • 23 mins
Doug riffs on Tyrese Haliburton. Doug reacts to what Rob Parker said about Lebron James. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Lebron James makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottli Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottley.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Whatta Radio are already app Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in oh
I've heard lots of discussion in regards to this topic. So,
(00:31):
Tyrese Haliburton's got a strained calv he wasn't himself, It
wasn't one hundred percent. And you know, we're told it's
going to be a game time decision tomorrow night in
Indy as the Pacers attempt to stretch the series out
to Game seven and the Thunder try and win their
first NBA title. But I've I've heard a lot of
people saying a myriad of similar takes in that it's
(00:55):
selfish of Halliburton to play if he's not one hundred percent.
And I can only tell you that again, is my
player perspective and my coaching perspective is one and the same. Okay,
So we had a litany of injuries this.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Year, some.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Incredibly legitimate. You know, Anthony roy Nation's leading score broke
his ankle. Now I didn't tell anybody broke his ankle.
I just said he has an ankle injury and that
he's working his way towards coming back, but we didn't
give anybody a timeline. It's not anybody else's business, but
but anything, I was trying to protect him because we
didn't know he was getting an extra year, and I
(01:36):
didn't want the NBA people to think, well, he's got
a broken ankle and they would knock his stock down
in any way. But here is again, this is now
the coaching perspective and the general basketball perspective of this
type of injury is that if you're a competitor, you're
going to try and play a strangth calv is a
(01:57):
pull calf, which means the partially torn calf. We don't
know how much it's torn, and yeah, you can always
sort of play through it. Can you play well the
last game? The answer is no. I have no idea,
but my guess is that it's, you know, a partially
torn calf, And the question is does he have to
take a shot? Can he play through it? When you
have that type of injury, you're constantly going to be
(02:17):
feeling a tugging in your in your calf and it's
gonna hurt your performance, But doesn't mean you can't perform
or you can't be smart about it again. I don't
know how bad it is. But the way in which
athletes coaches, especially in basketball, like just tell us how
we how we judge you, is like, you're gonna you
either do everything you can to try and play, and
(02:39):
if you can play, you play. And if the coach
determines while you're playing you're just not being effective, then
it's something to the coach to take you out, which
is what Rick Carlile did. But anyone who thinks it's
selfish of him, no, you're judged totally differently. If you
opt out and you're like, I just can't do it, you.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
May be right.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You may know your body, but in these your backs
are against the wall games. I'm telling you at most
people in basketball, probably eighty five ninety percent judge you
by this standard. If you can walk, you can run.
If you can run, you can try. If you can try,
you can play, And if you can play, you play
until it appears obvious to everybody you cannot.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Let's Get to the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Every day at this time and the bonus podcast you
play for your previous portion of a Fox Sports Radio
or Fox Sports One show, here's Dan Patrick talking about
Caitlin Clark and how we consume our sports.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Now, it's amazing what ends up on our phone. Everything does. Yes,
because you don't have to watch a WNBA game, but
you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even if
you don't, you're not, you don't care, you're not concerned,
you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't
and especially this morning after there was a couple of
(04:05):
altercations in last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
See, I don't watch the WNBA. If truth be told,
I'm really not all that interested in Caitlyn Clark or
like the rivalries or really any of those storylines. I'm
not all that interested in Angel Reese or whatever is
going on. And it's my entire social media. I don't
search it out, I don't look for it, I don't
google stats, I don't do anything even remotely related to
(04:28):
women's basketball. And it's seventy five percent of my social media.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, on Sunday with the US Open, one website had
one article about the US Open, and I think five
articles about Caitlin Clark's performance against the Liberty might have
been more than that, might have been like six or
seven articles on that and just one on the US Open.
I mean, this is what you know kind of being
(04:55):
a sports fan is nowadays. It's what's on my phone.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
The Caitlin Clark thing is pure gold. And as much
as I on some level believe the w NBA women
can't seem to figure it out and they're just so
right with jealousy and and just don't want to end
up on Sports Center that they don't know how to
process it, I will tell you that all of this
(05:23):
stuff does go directly to the phone, which brings attention,
which makes it and even better, even even better for
the sport. But yeah, the how you consume it and
how it's changed is truly truly remarkable. Here's Rob Parker
talking about Lebron's comments on ring culture.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Once again, if he had enough rings to be considered
the greatest, it would be. Okay, this is a typical Lebron.
He doesn't feel like he's going to get there and
and that's going to be held against him, so now
he's going to down play the ring. If it wasn't
about that, Lebron. And if Steve Nash had any kind
of book, okay, no, if.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
He had anything, then I would have said, Lebron, why
did you leave Cleveland and go to Miami chasing rings?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The one who did it?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
You're the one away who ran away.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
You the one to put together a super team so
that you could win rings.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
You would have wanted to, were afraid not to win.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
A championship as great as you were as a player.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
Now he's saying six being a great.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Winning rings because that's what he wanted to win. Such
a phony. I'm so tired of hearing this.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's really good take from from from rob really gonna
take from Robb. He's right, if if Lebron had gone
six and zero in the NBA Finals or seven one seven,
he would say, hey, end of the day, who's got more?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But he can't make that argument, so this becomes the argument.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do I think a good portion of it is Steve
Nash is my co host, and you know I want
I don't want to cut out his credibility, of course.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But you know the and and he.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Could he articulate in a way in which gave him
a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, right
the Miami thing, like, hey, you know what, end of
the day, we won two titles, went to four straight
finals when I was in Miami. But god, I you know,
I feel like I was part of rim careering culture
and now looking back, I wish I had not been.
That would have been great, But he didn't do that
(07:35):
leaves himself open for criticism, and I think Rob's criticism
is pretty on point, pretty on point. Here's Colin Cowherd
talking about Neza, the artist who we discussed and how
she chose to defy the Dodgers requesting to sing the
national anthem in English instead of Spanish as she requested.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
One of the things that I think makes a mayor
Erica really special. The Dodgers recently had a national anthem
singer decide, you know, during the ice raids, I'm gonna
do my version of it.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
Not.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
The American version of it.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And it was dissent on display, and whether you agree
with that or not, it's allowed. The next day she
woke up and it's fine and she's not being placed
in a prison or worse, what makes America great is
the discomfort that is allowed and the dissension and the protests. Saturday,
(08:38):
my daughter and I were in downtown Chicago. There was
a Palestinian rally. There was a No King rally. I mean,
it was organized, it was four hours, a little bit
disruptive the traffic downtown, not walk or workflow, but a
little disruptive. But the great thing about this country is
dissent is not only possible, it's often encourage.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Uh yeah, that's an interesting way to get to it.
I again, Descent when it's organized is okay. Descent when
it's when you're singing the national anthem for the Dodgers
who are walking that very fine line of hey, this
is one in which we're going to lay out of
it's not okay. So you're allowed to protest, but you're
(09:27):
allowed to protest on your free time. I mean, like
one of the things is like I don't mind the
protests in front of state buildings or whatever, but the
protests that go onto the freeway, Like, wait, so I'm
trying to get to work or get home, or maybe
I have an emergency and I can't get there because
you want to protest, Like, no, that's not the time
(09:48):
that you not where your protests legal organized protests are. Okay,
that's not one of them. So yes, descent is part
of part of the American system completely, but there's a
time and a place in.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Nesa. Nesa chose to completely ignore.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
That and the and Colin's point, like what's great about
America is discomfort. I'm I'm all about people being uncomfortable.
It makes for great content on in radio and TV.
But like it's like, I guess the analogy would be this. Okay,
I don't know if you've been to Disneyland in the
last twenty years, but if you go to Disneyland and
(10:31):
there's one of those mascots with a line of kids
to get an autograph from Goofy, and all of a sudden,
Goofy just starts spouting off pro Palestine protesting stuff, Disneyland
has every right to remove that mascot. Disney Land has
every right to fire that mascot because in their corporation,
(10:52):
in their place, they don't want customers to be uncomfortable.
So like there's a false equivalent here. Colin's saying that
you need to make people uncomfortable to change laws or whatever.
That's different. The Dodgers have a business they're trying to run.
Why would they why would they put something in place
(11:12):
to alienate or piss off half of their audience. It's
a business, a corporation. Now her representation. Today's news is
that the agent says, the Dodgers told them we will
no longer have any of your clients. That's their right,
that's their right. Nobody's going to prison. Nobody was trying
(11:34):
to silence her, but that's their right. Those are consequences
for actions. So Colin is like he's drawing like this
like false equivalency. It doesn't pertain to corporate structure and
how business is run.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, No, it's it's again.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
This is exactly what I talked about yesterday, Jason, which
is people don't understand what freedom of speech actually is.
Like once again, our school system continues to fail us.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You know, schools continue.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
To fail us, even those of us are adults that
we don't understand the dynamics of freedom of speeches. Freedom
speak out against the tyrannical government. You're allowed to disagree,
but time and place that doesn't free you up for ramification.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Say be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
I think I think most Americans that live through this
last election cycle have come to this conclusion. You know,
the biggest example of people talking out of the rass,
or how about about this when you hear what's the
one thing you hear that you know people are full
of shit when they say the word joy. Nobody bought that.
(13:08):
People rejected it. Russell Wilson was asked about his time
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Man, it's been a joy.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
I think, you know, if I had described it to
just the joy to be able to do what I
love to do, number one. At number two, to deal
with the people that you that you really want to
be around, I think that obviously the players, uh, I
mean just the amount of guy I remember going to
a Lanta throne with the guys, are going to being
in San Diego throe with the guys, and also to
just being here an extra time that we put in,
you know, watching film, doing that necessary things to be great.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
I think that there's like, I think Russell Wilson can
be a permanent fixture as the most one of the
most annoying people in sports because he's just full of shit,
because he's so fake, just disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, yes, I I think he's you know, Bill Simmons,
I've used it before. His the was it the Mike
Tyson syndrome or I figure what he calls it, But
it's the idea that there's no story about Mike Tyson
that you wouldn't believe. Right well, it's called the Tyson zone. Sorry,
(14:21):
Mike Tyson zone. So uh, the stories about Mike Tyson,
the more grand they are, the crazy they are. If
I said, like Mike Tyson once fought a hippopotamus, You're like, yeah,
the tracks, you know it's in his days using drugs, searching,
like Russell Wilson is the opposite. The Russell Wilson zone
(14:45):
is nothing he says anybody believes to be true?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Is that? Is that a fair fair way of looking
at it? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Like he could literally say no, this is guys, this
is the best place I've ever been. I thought my
NFL career was over, and I felt like the Giants
gave me a reprieve. I'm playing for a quarterback friendly coach.
We have very little, low expectations. It's a really united group.
(15:15):
I can't tell you how thankful I am to get
this opportunity, and it could feel heartfelt. But no one
would buy it because he's in the Russell Wilson zone,
which is nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
He says. Does anybody believe he's not full of shit?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Fair like like a lot of politicians like, not only
do we think he's full of shit, but I don't
think he believes the what he says. I agree, he
doesn't believe in what he's saying. He's a great fake robot. Yeah.
I woke up this morning, opened up my phone to
social media to find out that Cooper Flag is on
(15:53):
the cover of Sports Illustrated. I don't know where the
magazine exist. I remember about a year ago or eighteen
months ago, every talk show in the country was doing
a eulogy for Sports Illustrated. This is what it meant,
what an amazing ride it had. But it's it lives on.
It's kind of like the Tupac of magazines. Remember he
(16:17):
made like nine albums after he died. Sports Illustrated still
does covers of magazines after we said they were dead.
That's annoying to me, what's going on there. I thought
we all said goodbye to it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
We did, but it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I will tell you that whoever is owning and running
Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Has at least.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
A bit of genius in it in that they're still
able to at least get some people to raise their
eyebrows at it being on the cover of the magazine.
Just the fact that we're talking about it is a
win for Sports Illustrated in reality, like, yeah, nobody has
cared for a long, long time, long, long, long long time.
Speaker 10 (17:01):
Have you been tracking the this Jahn Morant stephen A thing.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, I've been tracking the Stephen A and what he
said about Memphis and then the uh and then the
weird rant that he went on on his podcast about.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Is that what you mean?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
So for our listeners who don't know what's what's the
name of the brothers, the twin brothers that were involved
in every single NBA trade over the last ten years more,
one of the Morris twins was on First Aake yesterday
and he and Steven A got into this thing about
how nobody wants to go to Memphis because Memphis is
(17:39):
not a safe place to be. It was a real
non sequitor, out of out of, out of nowhere, had
nothing to do with basketball, but they were saying that
their basketball sources were saying that they don't want to
be there or play there. John Morant quote tweeted that
story and said, the NBA Finals are on and y'all
are talking about Memphis. Shaking my head, blah blah blah.
(18:03):
Steven A responds on Twitter with this and this is
what they where it gets annoyed. I do recall us
talking about the finals, but you know you guys trading
Bain made news and your possible extension coming up. Would
you prefer that I go into detail about what the
(18:23):
hell is going on in Memphis, why players have stated
that they're not in, shouldn't going, or even more details,
or would you like to leave well alone and let
the great peeps of Memphis address it on their own
your call? I'm all ears. The annoying part about this
is what the fuck is going on in Memphis? Why
(18:46):
if steven A has all this dirt, like, what's prohibiting
him from saying it like that was an amazing tease.
He's insinuating that John Morant knows something about Memphis, that
it's incredibly incriminating and dangerous and like there's walking dead
in Memphis, like there's zombies. And it's only led me
(19:08):
to be frustrated by I googled, I tried to search
what's going on, and I don't understand what he's getting
to demands an explanation. That's what's annoying about it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, I've joked about Memphis, in downtown Memphis being the
bail bond's pawn shop cap of the world, Like if
you go to Memphis, there's always been a healthy number
of bail bonds and pawn shops. I also know that,
you know, again you've had friends there. It's better than
it used to be, and the suburbs are really nice.
(19:42):
I My thing on cities being bad is does anyone
live in a city that doesn't have an area with issues?
And Memphis has been one which has been you know,
some extreme poverty, extreme issues whatever.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just I feel like stephen A.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It is a little bit of a quiet part out loud,
but there's there, there's Also, you could say.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That about a lot of cities, right.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Detroit's always caught the brunt of things, right, And the
fact is that I wouldn't want to live in downtown Detroit,
but if you live in the suburbs, really nice New Orleans,
you know, has been seen as the murderer capital of
the world. Calvert's got stepped in on it. It is
one of those things where it becomes political. And I
(20:37):
don't think there's anything going on specifically in the city
of Memphis that stephen A knows about. I just think
that's stephen A's way of being threatening and really, in
many ways, in all honesty, it takes your attention away
from the fact that one nobody's paying attention to the
NBA Finals, and two even Steven A. Smith's not paying
(20:58):
attention to the NBA Finals because's playing somat there.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
So stephen A being vague about Memphis the cover of
Sports Illustrated and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Oh, Russell Wilson, he's annoying.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 10 (21:21):
So this made the round yesterday. We talked about it
on the show. But here's the genius about this segment.
We played this sound on the show. But there's no
way in hell we could have played it this way
because we can't.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
It's funny.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (21:34):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the all be all of everything.
You sit here and you tell me, you know, Alan
Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you
know are fucking wasn't unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I mean, obviously it helps because Steve Nash is sitting
across from him. Can I just we talked a little
bit about this yesterday, we talked a little bit about
on the radio show today. I would only say that
the last time I checked, the reason that we have
competitions with scoreboards is determined a winner and a loser.
(22:17):
So does Lebron make some valid points? Yeah, that's a
team game. You can be great, you can be Jerry West,
be the MVP and not win the series.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Hey, but.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When we're left to judge who the best of the
best is, oftentimes the last determining factor is did you
win a championship? And if so, how many did you win?
And maybe more importantly, how did you perform in those
championship games? But the fact that we can play it
for you with unedited without any beeps, it's because we can't.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's it for the end of Bones podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Whatta Radio are already app Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in oh
I've heard lots of discussion in regards to this topic. So,
(00:31):
Tyrese Haliburton's got a strained calv he wasn't himself, It
wasn't one hundred percent. And you know, we're told it's
going to be a game time decision tomorrow night in
Indy as the Pacers attempt to stretch the series out
to Game seven and the Thunder try and win their
first NBA title. But I've I've heard a lot of
people saying a myriad of similar takes in that it's
(00:55):
selfish of Halliburton to play if he's not one hundred percent.
And I can only tell you that again, is my
player perspective and my coaching perspective is one and the same. Okay,
So we had a litany of injuries this.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Year, some.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Incredibly legitimate. You know, Anthony roy Nation's leading score broke
his ankle. Now I didn't tell anybody broke his ankle.
I just said he has an ankle injury and that
he's working his way towards coming back, but we didn't
give anybody a timeline. It's not anybody else's business, but
but anything, I was trying to protect him because we
didn't know he was getting an extra year, and I
(01:36):
didn't want the NBA people to think, well, he's got
a broken ankle and they would knock his stock down
in any way. But here is again, this is now
the coaching perspective and the general basketball perspective of this
type of injury is that if you're a competitor, you're
going to try and play a strangth calv is a
(01:57):
pull calf, which means the partially torn calf. We don't
know how much it's torn, and yeah, you can always
sort of play through it. Can you play well the
last game? The answer is no. I have no idea,
but my guess is that it's, you know, a partially
torn calf, And the question is does he have to
take a shot? Can he play through it? When you
have that type of injury, you're constantly going to be
(02:17):
feeling a tugging in your in your calf and it's
gonna hurt your performance, But doesn't mean you can't perform
or you can't be smart about it again. I don't
know how bad it is. But the way in which
athletes coaches, especially in basketball, like just tell us how
we how we judge you, is like, you're gonna you
either do everything you can to try and play, and
(02:39):
if you can play, you play. And if the coach
determines while you're playing you're just not being effective, then
it's something to the coach to take you out, which
is what Rick Carlile did. But anyone who thinks it's
selfish of him, no, you're judged totally differently. If you
opt out and you're like, I just can't do it, you.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
May be right.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You may know your body, but in these your backs
are against the wall games. I'm telling you at most
people in basketball, probably eighty five ninety percent judge you
by this standard. If you can walk, you can run.
If you can run, you can try. If you can try,
you can play, And if you can play, you play
until it appears obvious to everybody you cannot.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Let's Get to the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Every day at this time and the bonus podcast you
play for your previous portion of a Fox Sports Radio
or Fox Sports One show, here's Dan Patrick talking about
Caitlin Clark and how we consume our sports.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Now, it's amazing what ends up on our phone. Everything does. Yes,
because you don't have to watch a WNBA game, but
you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even if
you don't, you're not, you don't care, you're not concerned,
you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't
and especially this morning after there was a couple of
(04:05):
altercations in last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
See, I don't watch the WNBA. If truth be told,
I'm really not all that interested in Caitlyn Clark or
like the rivalries or really any of those storylines. I'm
not all that interested in Angel Reese or whatever is
going on. And it's my entire social media. I don't
search it out, I don't look for it, I don't
google stats, I don't do anything even remotely related to
(04:28):
women's basketball. And it's seventy five percent of my social media.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, on Sunday with the US Open, one website had
one article about the US Open, and I think five
articles about Caitlin Clark's performance against the Liberty might have
been more than that, might have been like six or
seven articles on that and just one on the US Open.
I mean, this is what you know kind of being
(04:55):
a sports fan is nowadays. It's what's on my phone.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
The Caitlin Clark thing is pure gold. And as much
as I on some level believe the w NBA women
can't seem to figure it out and they're just so
right with jealousy and and just don't want to end
up on Sports Center that they don't know how to
process it, I will tell you that all of this
(05:23):
stuff does go directly to the phone, which brings attention,
which makes it and even better, even even better for
the sport. But yeah, the how you consume it and
how it's changed is truly truly remarkable. Here's Rob Parker
talking about Lebron's comments on ring culture.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Once again, if he had enough rings to be considered
the greatest, it would be. Okay, this is a typical Lebron.
He doesn't feel like he's going to get there and
and that's going to be held against him, so now
he's going to down play the ring. If it wasn't
about that, Lebron. And if Steve Nash had any kind
of book, okay, no, if.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
He had anything, then I would have said, Lebron, why
did you leave Cleveland and go to Miami chasing rings?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The one who did it?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
You're the one away who ran away.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
You the one to put together a super team so
that you could win rings.
Speaker 8 (06:20):
You would have wanted to, were afraid not to win.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
A championship as great as you were as a player.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's right.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
Now he's saying six being a great.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Winning rings because that's what he wanted to win. Such
a phony. I'm so tired of hearing this.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's really good take from from from rob really gonna
take from Robb. He's right, if if Lebron had gone
six and zero in the NBA Finals or seven one seven,
he would say, hey, end of the day, who's got more?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But he can't make that argument, so this becomes the argument.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do I think a good portion of it is Steve
Nash is my co host, and you know I want
I don't want to cut out his credibility, of course.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But you know the and and he.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Could he articulate in a way in which gave him
a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, right
the Miami thing, like, hey, you know what, end of
the day, we won two titles, went to four straight
finals when I was in Miami. But god, I you know,
I feel like I was part of rim careering culture
and now looking back, I wish I had not been.
That would have been great, But he didn't do that
(07:35):
leaves himself open for criticism, and I think Rob's criticism
is pretty on point, pretty on point. Here's Colin Cowherd
talking about Neza, the artist who we discussed and how
she chose to defy the Dodgers requesting to sing the
national anthem in English instead of Spanish as she requested.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
One of the things that I think makes a mayor
Erica really special. The Dodgers recently had a national anthem
singer decide, you know, during the ice raids, I'm gonna
do my version of it.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
Not.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
The American version of it.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
And it was dissent on display, and whether you agree
with that or not, it's allowed. The next day she
woke up and it's fine and she's not being placed
in a prison or worse, what makes America great is
the discomfort that is allowed and the dissension and the protests. Saturday,
(08:38):
my daughter and I were in downtown Chicago. There was
a Palestinian rally. There was a No King rally. I mean,
it was organized, it was four hours, a little bit
disruptive the traffic downtown, not walk or workflow, but a
little disruptive. But the great thing about this country is
dissent is not only possible, it's often encourage.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Uh yeah, that's an interesting way to get to it.
I again, Descent when it's organized is okay. Descent when
it's when you're singing the national anthem for the Dodgers
who are walking that very fine line of hey, this
is one in which we're going to lay out of
it's not okay. So you're allowed to protest, but you're
(09:27):
allowed to protest on your free time. I mean, like
one of the things is like I don't mind the
protests in front of state buildings or whatever, but the
protests that go onto the freeway, Like, wait, so I'm
trying to get to work or get home, or maybe
I have an emergency and I can't get there because
you want to protest, Like, no, that's not the time
(09:48):
that you not where your protests legal organized protests are. Okay,
that's not one of them. So yes, descent is part
of part of the American system completely, but there's a
time and a place in.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Nesa. Nesa chose to completely ignore.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
That and the and Colin's point, like what's great about
America is discomfort. I'm I'm all about people being uncomfortable.
It makes for great content on in radio and TV.
But like it's like, I guess the analogy would be this. Okay,
I don't know if you've been to Disneyland in the
last twenty years, but if you go to Disneyland and
(10:31):
there's one of those mascots with a line of kids
to get an autograph from Goofy, and all of a sudden,
Goofy just starts spouting off pro Palestine protesting stuff, Disneyland
has every right to remove that mascot. Disney Land has
every right to fire that mascot because in their corporation,
(10:52):
in their place, they don't want customers to be uncomfortable.
So like there's a false equivalent here. Colin's saying that
you need to make people uncomfortable to change laws or whatever.
That's different. The Dodgers have a business they're trying to run.
Why would they why would they put something in place
(11:12):
to alienate or piss off half of their audience. It's
a business, a corporation. Now her representation. Today's news is
that the agent says, the Dodgers told them we will
no longer have any of your clients. That's their right,
that's their right. Nobody's going to prison. Nobody was trying
(11:34):
to silence her, but that's their right. Those are consequences
for actions. So Colin is like he's drawing like this
like false equivalency. It doesn't pertain to corporate structure and
how business is run.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, No, it's it's again.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
This is exactly what I talked about yesterday, Jason, which
is people don't understand what freedom of speech actually is.
Like once again, our school system continues to fail us.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
You know, schools continue.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
To fail us, even those of us are adults that
we don't understand the dynamics of freedom of speeches. Freedom
speak out against the tyrannical government. You're allowed to disagree,
but time and place that doesn't free you up for ramification.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Say be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
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Speaker 3 (12:32):
Let's find out who are What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 10 (12:43):
I think I think most Americans that live through this
last election cycle have come to this conclusion. You know,
the biggest example of people talking out of the rass,
or how about about this when you hear what's the
one thing you hear that you know people are full
of shit when they say the word joy. Nobody bought that.
(13:08):
People rejected it. Russell Wilson was asked about his time
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Man, it's been a joy.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
I think, you know, if I had described it to
just the joy to be able to do what I
love to do, number one. At number two, to deal
with the people that you that you really want to
be around, I think that obviously the players, uh, I
mean just the amount of guy I remember going to
a Lanta throne with the guys, are going to being
in San Diego throe with the guys, and also to
just being here an extra time that we put in,
you know, watching film, doing that necessary things to be great.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
I think that there's like, I think Russell Wilson can
be a permanent fixture as the most one of the
most annoying people in sports because he's just full of shit,
because he's so fake, just disingenuous.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, yes, I I think he's you know, Bill Simmons,
I've used it before. His the was it the Mike
Tyson syndrome or I figure what he calls it, But
it's the idea that there's no story about Mike Tyson
that you wouldn't believe. Right well, it's called the Tyson zone. Sorry,
(14:21):
Mike Tyson zone. So uh, the stories about Mike Tyson,
the more grand they are, the crazy they are. If
I said, like Mike Tyson once fought a hippopotamus, You're like, yeah,
the tracks, you know it's in his days using drugs, searching,
like Russell Wilson is the opposite. The Russell Wilson zone
(14:45):
is nothing he says anybody believes to be true?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Is that? Is that a fair fair way of looking
at it? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Like he could literally say no, this is guys, this
is the best place I've ever been. I thought my
NFL career was over, and I felt like the Giants
gave me a reprieve. I'm playing for a quarterback friendly coach.
We have very little, low expectations. It's a really united group.
(15:15):
I can't tell you how thankful I am to get
this opportunity, and it could feel heartfelt. But no one
would buy it because he's in the Russell Wilson zone,
which is nothing.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
He says. Does anybody believe he's not full of shit?
Speaker 10 (15:30):
Fair like like a lot of politicians like, not only
do we think he's full of shit, but I don't
think he believes the what he says. I agree, he
doesn't believe in what he's saying. He's a great fake robot. Yeah.
I woke up this morning, opened up my phone to
social media to find out that Cooper Flag is on
(15:53):
the cover of Sports Illustrated. I don't know where the
magazine exist. I remember about a year ago or eighteen
months ago, every talk show in the country was doing
a eulogy for Sports Illustrated. This is what it meant,
what an amazing ride it had. But it's it lives on.
It's kind of like the Tupac of magazines. Remember he
(16:17):
made like nine albums after he died. Sports Illustrated still
does covers of magazines after we said they were dead.
That's annoying to me, what's going on there. I thought
we all said goodbye to it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
We did, but it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I will tell you that whoever is owning and running
Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Has at least.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
A bit of genius in it in that they're still
able to at least get some people to raise their
eyebrows at it being on the cover of the magazine.
Just the fact that we're talking about it is a
win for Sports Illustrated in reality, like, yeah, nobody has
cared for a long, long time, long, long, long long time.
Speaker 10 (17:01):
Have you been tracking the this Jahn Morant stephen A thing.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, I've been tracking the Stephen A and what he
said about Memphis and then the uh and then the
weird rant that he went on on his podcast about.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Is that what you mean?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
So for our listeners who don't know what's what's the
name of the brothers, the twin brothers that were involved
in every single NBA trade over the last ten years more,
one of the Morris twins was on First Aake yesterday
and he and Steven A got into this thing about
how nobody wants to go to Memphis because Memphis is
(17:39):
not a safe place to be. It was a real
non sequitor, out of out of, out of nowhere, had
nothing to do with basketball, but they were saying that
their basketball sources were saying that they don't want to
be there or play there. John Morant quote tweeted that
story and said, the NBA Finals are on and y'all
are talking about Memphis. Shaking my head, blah blah blah.
(18:03):
Steven A responds on Twitter with this and this is
what they where it gets annoyed. I do recall us
talking about the finals, but you know you guys trading
Bain made news and your possible extension coming up. Would
you prefer that I go into detail about what the
(18:23):
hell is going on in Memphis, why players have stated
that they're not in, shouldn't going, or even more details,
or would you like to leave well alone and let
the great peeps of Memphis address it on their own
your call? I'm all ears. The annoying part about this
is what the fuck is going on in Memphis? Why
(18:46):
if steven A has all this dirt, like, what's prohibiting
him from saying it like that was an amazing tease.
He's insinuating that John Morant knows something about Memphis, that
it's incredibly incriminating and dangerous and like there's walking dead
in Memphis, like there's zombies. And it's only led me
(19:08):
to be frustrated by I googled, I tried to search
what's going on, and I don't understand what he's getting
to demands an explanation. That's what's annoying about it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, I've joked about Memphis, in downtown Memphis being the
bail bond's pawn shop cap of the world, Like if
you go to Memphis, there's always been a healthy number
of bail bonds and pawn shops. I also know that,
you know, again you've had friends there. It's better than
it used to be, and the suburbs are really nice.
(19:42):
I My thing on cities being bad is does anyone
live in a city that doesn't have an area with issues?
And Memphis has been one which has been you know,
some extreme poverty, extreme issues whatever.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I just I feel like stephen A.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It is a little bit of a quiet part out loud,
but there's there, there's Also, you could say.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That about a lot of cities, right.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Detroit's always caught the brunt of things, right, And the
fact is that I wouldn't want to live in downtown Detroit,
but if you live in the suburbs, really nice New Orleans,
you know, has been seen as the murderer capital of
the world. Calvert's got stepped in on it. It is
one of those things where it becomes political. And I
(20:37):
don't think there's anything going on specifically in the city
of Memphis that stephen A knows about. I just think
that's stephen A's way of being threatening and really, in
many ways, in all honesty, it takes your attention away
from the fact that one nobody's paying attention to the
NBA Finals, and two even Steven A. Smith's not paying
(20:58):
attention to the NBA Finals because's playing somat there.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
So stephen A being vague about Memphis the cover of
Sports Illustrated and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Oh, Russell Wilson, he's annoying.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 10 (21:21):
So this made the round yesterday. We talked about it
on the show. But here's the genius about this segment.
We played this sound on the show. But there's no
way in hell we could have played it this way
because we can't.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
It's funny.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (21:34):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why is the all be all of everything.
You sit here and you tell me, you know, Alan
Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you
know are fucking wasn't unbelievable?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I mean, obviously it helps because Steve Nash is sitting
across from him. Can I just we talked a little
bit about this yesterday, we talked a little bit about
on the radio show today. I would only say that
the last time I checked, the reason that we have
competitions with scoreboards is determined a winner and a loser.
(22:17):
So does Lebron make some valid points? Yeah, that's a
team game. You can be great, you can be Jerry West,
be the MVP and not win the series.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Hey, but.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
When we're left to judge who the best of the
best is, oftentimes the last determining factor is did you
win a championship? And if so, how many did you win?
And maybe more importantly, how did you perform in those
championship games? But the fact that we can play it
for you with unedited without any beeps, it's because we can't.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's it for the end of Bones podcast.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
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