What Saves You As A Kid, Will Kill You As An Adult

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Don't listening to Fox Sports Boom, What Up America Doug
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it not. You'll have to decipher what is and what
is not. Tore Rosenhou's gonna join us on the show
only we'll ask him. That doesn't feel like a great
deal from Rob Gronkowski? Right, incentive laden contract extension, especially
considering how oft injured Rob Gronkowski has been. Also, why
does the NFL continue to put put baby in a corner?

(00:46):
Why do they put a dynamic tight end who changes
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about Ryan good? Um? Two hours be over. We'll be
over in three hours, in twenty minutes, right, two hours
in twenty minutes. There you go, State School Education, Orange
Unified Elementary. We're off to a good start here. Why
won't Lonzo Ball work out for the Boston Celtics? Hey,
why I disagree with his Thanks but no thanks. Plus

(01:28):
Rashan Jennings dancing with the Stars and available on the
free agent market running back, We'll ask him if he
hasn't signed with the team because Colin Kaepernick protested last year.
But I want to talk a little about the NFL
because I think we know how we talked about that.
We know how a date ends in Southern California. Like
if you don't if you've never lived in southern California,

(01:49):
you don't know about June gloom or I think, as
they're calling it right now, May gray, which is it's
overcast most of the morning. You wear a sweatshirt and
you walk out, you're like, uh, you you feel like
um Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption when you just see
the sunshine right although it's raining in shows, you don't
talk about it's you know how the day is gonna

(02:12):
end in Southern California generally pretty well. I feel like
I'm not necessarily in the prediction business, like This is
not a prediction. This is just kind of an assumption
of how I feel like it's going to end not
well for Richard Sherman in Seattle. Well, here's a player
who was rumored to be on the trade market, and
then before the draft, John Schneider, who's the general manager

(02:36):
of the Seattle Seahawks, like, yeah, we're taking calls. And
though he was not traded, and though Richard Sherman didn't
say specifically he wanted to be traded, it's almost like
they went to the divorce attorneys was like, Hey, we
don't want to get a divorce yet, but if we did,
how would just split everything up? Who would get the house,
who would get the kids, how much would the alimoi
to be, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It feels like that genie

(02:59):
is very hard to put back in the bottle. And
then this article from ESPN came out, and it's not
flattering towards Richard Sherman. It's also not flattering towards Russell
Wilson and their relationship. But among my takeaways, look, I've
thought that Russell Wilson is a bit of a phony. Right,

(03:20):
anytime I apologize to any of you who are so
god fearing that you believe God actually plays a part
in football games. But anytime you stare in the mirror,
stare in the camera and say that you know, God
helped you win come back against for example, the Green
Bay Packers. What the Green Bay of Packers do? The
mad God? So mad? There's two sides to that, right,
if God's gonna go like, well see how does that

(03:42):
go to hold on? Hold on on? Side kick crazy ending?
We gotta change this right away. The uh, the absinence thing,
the holier than now thing, the au gy shocks. He's
been practicing press confertency seven thing, like you can't fool players.

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And I think if you talk to NFL players, most
of them roll their eyes at the Russell Wilson, uh
magic water thing that cured him of a concussion? Oh boy? Right?
And in the article it even points out that, you know,
he gives each of his teammates to round trip first
class tickets from Alaska Airlines. They're like, dude, he gets

(04:27):
those because there's he's he's a spokesman for that, which
is brilliant. But it's also like re gifting, isn't it.
I mean, like I've re gifted before, but I also
don't champion my re Gift's a difference there. All of
that said, he's still a quarterback. And however you want

(04:48):
to rank Russell Wilson as a quarterback, I don't believe
he's a top five quarterback. I'm not sure he's a
top ten quarterback. On the other hand, I do think
that he has the ability to come through in the
club much. I do think that he's not rattled as
much when things go poorly as some others are. And
I think you could do a whole hell of a
lot worse than Russell Wilson. Whatever you want to say

(05:11):
about Russell Wilson and the truthfulness of the character and
persona that he likes to present, the fact is there's
like fifteen people in the world that can play quarterback
and do it well, and he's one of them. He's
not going anywhere. And so while it may burn inside
of you if you're Richard Sherman that that guy lost
as a Super Bowl and that guy's protective I management,

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and that guy gets all the endorsement deals, and that
guy's this, and that guy's that. It rings in my
head that Richard Sherman has this problem that so many
of us have. What saves you as a kid will
kill you as an adult. What saves you? Somebody told
me that once and I was like, and when you

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think about it with Richard Sherman, what got him here?
What got him to the place to which, up until
maybe last year, he was viewed as, if not the
best physical cover corner, he's in every conversation right. What
got him to the point where the Seattle Seahawks would
think about trading that type of player, that type of

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personality under contract, that type of skill for anything, like
why would you ever part with one of those guys?
And the only logical answer is what saves you as
a child will kill you as an adult. He got
here because of jealousy, because of rage, that rage that's

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collected because he wasn't physical enough, he wasn't good enough.
He came from Compton, How could you survive at Stanford?
Then he said Stanford, he's not fast enough or good
enough to be a first round draft pick as a
wide receiver. Like he bottled up all of those all
of those things that people said he could not do,
all of the people that he thought were phonies, that
he wanted to expose all the jealousy and angst and

(07:01):
angry put and he the output was this remarkably bright,
incredibly talented, perfect fit for the system in Seattle, perfect
timing of personalities and the coach that can deal with
that sort of personality. And we got a Super Bowl

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or two of a super Bowl championship and nearly a
second one, and an unbelievable defense to which, though he
may no longer be their best player, you'd probably say
that Cam or Bobby Wagner are maybe better players, though
he might not be there the best player. He is
the spokesperson, he is the focal point. And yet what

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saved him as a kid, what got him out of Compton,
got him to Stanford, but got him from Stanford to Seattle,
would put him on the field and it made him indispensable,
is what's killing him right now because he cannot process
that same amount of jealousy, angst, anger, the insecurities that
may him great are tearing him up, and his relationship

(08:03):
with his football club to the point where, dude, you
don't offer up Richard Sherman, Hey, we're taking phone calls
and tell everybody in the press we're taking phone calls
unless you have had it. You've had it with the
sideline tantrums about what the offense is gonna run right
around the goal line. You've had it with the postgame
tantrums about who played well, and you've had it with

(08:24):
the finger pointing. You've had it. You've had it. I mean, look,
Randy Moss. I heard Chris Carter talk about Ready Moss
the most talented wide re stiver to ever played the game.
But remember he got himself run out of New England.
He was on a championship team with New England and

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kind of the same thing got him run out of
New England. Hello, got him run out of Minnesota. When
he went to the Raiders, he wanted to get run
out of Oakland because they were so bad. But remember
this is Randy Moss, who finished his career with Ryan Music.
Take a get. Do you remember who Randy Moss finished
his career with. I don't, honestly. The last time the

(09:08):
last team I can remember off the top of my
head him playing for his the Patriots. Yeah, that's that's
kind of the point, right, kind of the point I mean,
Randy Moss, it was is a guy who um was Minnesota, Oakland,
New England, and then went you know, and then went
to Tennessee and went off into the ether and then
went to was in San Francisco in two thousand twelve.

(09:33):
But it is an absolute fool proof statement. And you
look at people who have have self destructed as adults,
usually the way in which they self destruct is the
way in which they made their rise. When you get
to the top, when you get to the the top
of the heap, and now the sudden you're an elite corner,

(09:56):
you still have all of that stuff inside you, but
you have to find a way to make it subside
so that you can function within a locker room, within
an organization, within the culture of whatever whatever position you're
now in. I'm I'm not necessarily in the predict like
I'm not gonna predict. I don't like the old prediction thing, right.

(10:19):
I don't like say like, well, I think the Calves
are gonna win in seven or the Warriors are gonna
win the seven. I think that's dumb because every game
is unto itself. But I I think there's certain endings
we can see coming, right, Like we can see Alonzo's
ball is gonna be a Laker. I don't know how
that plays out. Paul George is probably gonna play in
Los Angeles in the next year or so, right, I
can kind of see all that coming. I would guess

(10:42):
that in the next twenty years we might not see
high school football tackle football being play in high schoo football. Well,
get to that later on the show, but I think
we can see an end coming. Article like this is
damning towards the relationship between star players on each side
of the field. And at the end of it, you
can find another cornerback, you can't find another quarterback. Asked

(11:06):
the Dolphins how long they've been looking as the as
the Browns, asked the Bears, asked the Bills how long
they've been looking since Jim Kelly retired. What saves you
is a child will kill you as an adult. Rashad
Jennings will join us up coming next. We've got to

(11:26):
ask him about a little dance, some dancing questions, plus
what's his NFL future, Like, what's what's the free agency
market like for a running back? And is it hurt
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(13:15):
making a massive mistake saying thanks but no thanks to
a workout with the Boston Celtics, even if he doesn't
want to play for the Boston Celtics. Um rash, Jenny's
gonna join us momentarily. You know that that he just
won Dancing with the Stars, right, he and his partner
Emma Slater. And Dancing with the Stars is like The

(13:37):
Bachelor and Bachelorette I watch. I can't say that I've
ever watched an entire episode of Dancing with the Stars,
but like this is season with like season seventeen or
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(13:58):
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a touchdown. Office, all right, he's gonna he's he's running

(14:19):
a ladies doing all the different shows, so he's gonna
join us in moments. Let me let me explain something
a little bit like again, I'm I'm not a philosopher,
but I do have some philosophies that I follow. Does
that make sense? But it's like I just said, I'm
not in the prediction business, but there are some things
that I predict or foresee will happen in the future.

(14:44):
That might sound like a cop out to you, but
that's just kind of the way I lived my life
and my my general philosophy is to always say yes
to opportunities. Right, Like the reason I'm a big believer,
I'm a huge believer in UH in affirmative action at

(15:06):
major universities, I just am. It's it's hard to convince
me that that people of you, you know, and not
as much in California, where people of all different sorts
of colors have gotten great opportunities and made great headway
at major universities. But you get into some of the

(15:26):
Big ten schools and the SEC schools, and there's just
a there's a difference in level of opportunity based upon
more than anything, socioeconomics and how you're raised. And I
don't want anybody to be given anything other than an opportunity.
Somebody who wants it really bad is willing to work

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really hard. I just believe that the more opportunities you get,
the more you'll get a chance to know what you like,
know what you don't like, and to show yourself for
who you are, show your kind of inner strength or
inner knowledge. It's kind of my my life philosophy like,

(16:10):
and music doesn't know me well enough to know that
I pray for snow. I do. Why? Well, Okay, so
do you know what the North Easter is? Very major
winter storm? Okay, but do you know that you're correct?
Very major winter storm at a little bit department of
redundancy department. But Okay, No, it's to emphasize how very
major's very very major is like whoa, it's like so big,

(16:31):
it's like major very right. Um, yes, you're you're technically correct.
But what it is is it's kind of like the
perfect storm. Like you get a low pressure system off
the course of the coast of New England, you get
an Alberta clipper. Um, yeah, assue me. You get a
high pressure system off the coast of New England, which

(16:52):
kind of keeps it contained in there. Then you get
a low pressure system over off the mainland United States,
and another one coming down from Canada, and so you
kind of have two fronts coming in and it gets
stuck over some part of the New England states. And
because it's stuck, instead of getting a dusting, just like
I taught you specific words in New England, you know,

(17:14):
like a bubbler is a water fountain, a carriage is
a grocery cart, A grinder is a sandwich. Grinder is
a sandwich, right. A dusting is like three to six inches,
Like three to six inches in Georgia they shut down
the state three or six inches. In New England they're
like that's it. Instead of a dusting. You get like
thirty inches in a day, right, you get sixty inches

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in three days or something something crazy, depending on how
long that high pressure system holds over the water. Because
the snow has nowhere to go, I can't run off
into Nova Scotia. So when I was early on my
days at ESPN, I used to pray for snow. I
would I would go and and go to There's a

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couple of different websites that had the weather. And when
I would see a northeastern coming, I would go into
all my boss's office, whether it was the radio office,
whether it was the sports center office, the news office,
the game office, the studio office, I'd go, I'd go.

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I was. I was like a frog. I was office hopping,
wing wing wing, wing wings, like frogger, right, trying to
avoid other everybody else, but get from office to office.
And all I would say is like, hey, snowstorms coming.
If Digger Phelps can't get in, Dick Vital can't get in,
you can use me. You need somebody for sports, and
you need somebody Dan Patrick can't get in from his house. Whatever.

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I live ten minutes down the road. I will sleep here,
I will do whatever. Why is that I just want
an opportunity. Just give me a shot, because I you know,
to me you're praying for Just give me that one
morsel of opportunity, and I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna
make you want me to do more. So it's kind

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of always been my life. Flat Like tomorrow I'm doing
speak for yourself? Um, and is have we are? We
sure we know what we're doing Monday? Do you know
what we're doing Monday music? Am I allowed to say
what we're doing Monday? I don't believe we should be
talking about it? Okay, that's fine, all right, fine? The

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point The point is like I'm a never say no guy,
like I've never said I can't remember any time I've
worked in media for fifteen years. I can't remember anytime
somebody says, hey, do you want to and I've said
no because I don't know if I'll truly enjoy it,
and you don't know if I'm really good at it.
But you know, you'll never know unless you don't, unless
you try. I prayed for snow because I was praying

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for an opportunity. You know, lots of people close their
eyes at night and they pray for health and their
family and forgiveness. I closed my eyes to night and
I pray for snow. Lonzo Ball not so much. Danny
Angel was on Point five, the Sports Hub in Boston.
He said, quote, we tried to get a Lonzo Ball in.

(20:09):
They had a they traveled to draft workout in New
York that had Harry Giles and Malik Monk. We don't
deal with Balls camp all that much. They didn't show
up at the combine, which is very common. Many of
the top ten to fifteen players don't show up at
the combine. We just tried to get him in for
a workout and they politely said no. LaVar Ball told

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Laker Nation earlier this month, that's all we're working out
for is the Lakers. Just the Lakers. There's nobody else
we need to work out for. So look forget about
the dollars and cents to if he could be the
number one overall pick, he'd make more money with Boston.
The taxes are better and the surrounding cast is better.

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They're pretty much set that they want to draft. They
want to go with the Lakers and Magic Johnson was
on l A radio earlier today and when asked to
compare himself to somebody in the draft or who remind
him in the draft, reminded of of himself, He said,
Lonzo Ball Like, it feels like that's gonna happen, and
it probably will. But you can't get on a plane

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and go work out for the Boston Celtics right Like,
they have seventeen title banners, they're in the Eastern Conference Finals.
They're coached by a coach who's widely considered, if not
the best young coach in the NBA. He's in every discussion.
They have cap flexibility, they have the ability to move
players around and put even more town around you than

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you could be in l A in the next year
to three or four years. More than anything, Why would
you ever shy away from an opportunity to show yourself.
Why would you show arrogantly and probably obviously through your father,
not accept the the the chance to just say yes.

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You can always the week before the draft, pick up
the phone and say, listen, I love the workout there.
I thought Brad Stevens was great, thought Danny Ainge was awesome.
I just thought the whole place was great. But you know,
l A's where I'm l A's where we're from l
a fits. We want to play, we want to grow
with the Lakers. It's good for our brand. Like you
can always say no at a later date, but I

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don't understand the turning down an opportunity with no strings attached,
even if it's one that you didn't ultimately want. I
have every conversation, I'm gonna always say yes, guy, do
you want to go to dinner talking about a potential job? Sure?
Because you never ever know. I give, I give another example. Okay, um.

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I don't know if he wants me to share this,
but I don't really care. There's a gentleman who we
work for here right and I previously worked with and
when he was in between jobs, we had coffee and
it was like one of those coffees which ended up
lasting like two and a half hours, and I was like,

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you should call this guy. You should call that guy.
I was hoping, like at my old place employment, I
could work for him there because we're just the line
in terms of how we see the world, how we
see sports radio, how we like to work with people.
Were both guys that want to keep clinging to the
next leadder above and so ultimately I really wanted to
work with him at my previous spot. I wanted them

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to create a job opening between two people that I
felt like he would fit. Didn't happen. He ends up here.
I'm working with him. Now. Get the conversations that you
have about a job don't actually mean right now. It
means in future, right because you have no idea who's

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going to be working where. It's the same thing with
the Celtics. Do I think Danny Age can be with
Celtics a long time? I do? Do I think Brad
Stevens gonna be with the Celtics? I do? But I
also know that the that the world changes and four
years you rookie contract goes by really fast, and the
relationships you can make in just one workout, in just

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one meeting could be all that it takes for four
years from now. It's not working out in l A.
And do you want to go to this place? Do
you want to go to other place? Forget about even
l A now it's just such limited. It's just such
tunnel vision. And I know LaVar Ball has the new
shirts to stay in your lane shirts right which it's

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it's pretty funny, it's pretty like it like to be honest, like,
that's pretty funny, capitalize on the moment, which I actually like.
But this is just another display of a guy that
doesn't understand business. He understood business, every TV appearance that
he made, he would be wearing his son's shoes everyone.
If he understood business, every meeting, every discussion, every tryout,

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every workout, he would have Alonzo there, Alonzo is that good?
Alonzo still wants to go Lakers. That's okay. Make the
let rest of the league want him really badly and
then go, We're still going to Lakers. Right for snow kids.
Lebron James addresses the comparisons between him or he and

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Radio coming to you live and direct, and the FSR
Studios in sunny southern California. Alright, so help me out
with this. I remember when Lebron James said, um at
his basketball camp Lebron James Skills Academy, actually the Nike
Basketball Academy, which my good friend Miles Simon runs. He said,

(26:02):
my motivation is the ghost. I'm chasing the ghost played
in Chicago. Right, he did say that, didn't he? Okay?
So um. He said this earlier today, getting ready obviously
for Game five of the Eastern Conference Finals. They win it,

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he goes to his sixth straight NBA Finals. He was
asked about comparing himself to Michael Jordan, and here's what
he had to say, and time I'm linked to any
other grades and even the greatest and Mike, Um, it's
just an honor. So it's a tribute to what I've
been able to do with this game. Okay, then he's

(26:45):
this with this one was weird. He he said that
it's listen to what he says about comparing players in
the NBA as opposed to quarterbacks in the NFL. It's
so funny that the conversation has always talked about in
the NBA about was the gray this, you know, but
it's never talked about in the NFL. Who's the greatest quarterback?
You know? And it should be the same for us

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and we we we go out and just try to
be as brady as we can't be every night. You know,
the comparison of always trying to compare people either living
or still playing or not playing. I think it's great
for barbershops. Okay, so I'm so confused here he's saying
that we don't compare great quarterbacks. Like he went on
to say, like we don't compare like Marino and Brady.

(27:28):
He forgot Montana. That was the way forgot obviously, and
like we don't wait, what of course we do, we
do it all the time. But wait, I'm some people
believe Tom Brady is the goat. Some people believe Joe
Montana is the goat. I believe Aaron Rodgers the best
I've ever seen. I believe that Tom Brady is the

(27:48):
most accomplished. Uh, Joe Montana was Joe cool. I understand
there's a difference in different eras. And oh yeah, by
the way, like Lebron, you're the one who said you're
chasing Jordan's. My motivation is the ghost time chasing that
goes to play in Chicago, unless there was an actual
ghost that played in Chicago. If so, I stand corrected,

(28:11):
But you can't say like, that's the goat, that's who
I'm chasing. He's the ghost played in Chicago, I wear
twenty three Nike, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then go like,
I don't know want you guys bring that stuff up,
like I just want to be mentioned with this some
of the oftense and honor, like what I know. I
don't like we were actually listening to you and writing
it down and going like, yes, this is good stuff.
He actually is chasing Jordan admits to it and it's great,

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And now a sudden he doesn't want to Yes, music
help me out here. Well is it? Maybe he's confused.
Isn't the confused the haunted hotel everyone talks about. So
maybe he's confusing Chicago with Oklahoma City and the ghost
and he saw it on a road trip. No, he's

(28:54):
not confusing anything like this is like this is classic Lebron.
I don't know why you guys are talking about me
and Jordan, Like, dude, you were talking about you and
Jordan's No, I thought you said, I thought you said
this is like that scene from Good Teller. I said,
I'm alright, alright, I'm alright, spider. You know what happened

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to Spider at the end, right that, I feel like,
that's what's gonna happen. Is one of these reporters is
then I'm gonna get get to get shot. That's what's
gonna happen, just like Spider got shot. Yeah, Mutt, Right,
what am my clown? What am I here to amuse you?
When I say that and somebody doesn't know what I'm talking,

(29:36):
I think less of you as a man. You don't
know lines from Good Fellas. Sorry, I also think less
of you if you like know Carlito's way and you
don't know Good Fellas. Then and now I'm like, okay,
you have been raised poorly. You've been raised by wolves.
That's generally the way. I think. Very disappointing, but I'd

(29:58):
like So he's chasing Michael's um regular season scoring, as
He's seventh and Jordan's fourth, and all times scoring, he's
twenty eight points shy of Jordan's postseason scoring, even though
he's played a lot more I think fourteen more games
than Jordan played in the postseason. The first round series

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used to be only five games were best of five,
so most of the last three games, and of course,
remember he played right out of high school, so you're
talking he had three years ahead of Jordan's and then
Jordan's missed a year and a half in his prime,
which would allow him to one win more playoff games
and to score a bunch more points. Right, he was

(30:42):
at the time averaging in the mid thirties points. I
don't know if Jordan's career would have been as long. Uh.
And of course Jordan Elson came back with the Wizards,
which I don't count, but statistically does count for his
all time point totals. Like I'm willing to say that
that that that chasing point totals is lame, Like that's
not really what it's about. We're comparing eras is hard,

(31:03):
like if he wants to give us and he did,
and in fairness to Lebron one of the things and
I think we edited it out right, which I like
that he said was, Hey, look, I just I want
to play the right way, so the kids that the
next generation of players come in the league wanting to
play the way I play. Like that. I love That's great,
but I just struggle with the I'm chasing Mike, That's

(31:26):
who the goat is. And then on the other hand.
You're like, I don't know why you compare me to
Mike and nobody compares guys in other sports, Like that's
all we do is compare guys in other sports. Like
what are you talking about? We found Rashad Jennings. He
will dance his way into your hearts. Up coming next,

(31:47):
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We've tracked down the champ, the champion here. The champ
is here. He's a dancing machine. He's Rashaan Jennings and

(32:09):
uh he has not been signed to a contract, but
he has uh inked his way to the championship and
Dancing with the Stars season twenty four and he joins
us now on Fox Sports Radio. Shot. How are you, hey, man?
I'm good. How are you doing good? Okay, so you said, hey,
this is harder than football. Um, but like before you

(32:31):
went to do Dancing with the Stars, had you did
you have any dancing experience outside of like, you know,
going to the club. Whatever. No, I'm never properly ballroom
dancing them life. So it was it was something like
vastly different. I'm talking about when she said getting frame,
I thought you wanted to take a picture because the

(32:54):
picture is the only type of frame I've ever seen.
So ballroom frame to me was the craziest thing to
figure out how to do. What is what is ballroom frame?
See exactly? So, uh, getting the ball room frame is
a particular position that you are the you know, basically
the female and the male are predominantly and through a

(33:16):
majority of the like the venis, walls, the walls, the
fox trot, it's where you're you're basically shoulder level, hands
up and the male is head tilt to the left slightly,
and you got to hold this frame and stay connected.
But the hips throughout the whole entire to you think,
and it's amazing. We and like, I know, you've done

(33:38):
a bunch of stuff. We've had you on a bunch
of times talking about the fact you were fat, you
had bad grades, like everything was going to me. The
part that's the most remarkable is not just that you're
able to absorb all this, because I honestly think athletes
have the upper hand over other stars because one year
you're a great athlete, but too, you've been coached your
whole life, so you know, if somebody tells you to

(34:00):
do something, then you'll you naturally know how to do it,
because if you don't, then you get you get cut. Right.
But to me, the part that was like do your
physical transformation. This has to be as good as shape
as you've ever been in your life. Are you hit
it on the head right there? I think, I think,
I mean, if you want to call it an upper hand.

(34:21):
The only thing I was saying, an athlete has his
work ethic, and that's any athletes because of just just
the demand and hours and hours and grew some hours
of doing monotonous things repetitively to the point that comes habitual,
like those type of things to think, you know, could
we're customers doing and like you said, taking order, But man,

(34:45):
it it is. It's tough because you've never done it before.
You're not, you know, totally new element, especially if you
have never had any background at it. So it's tough.
But I'm telling you, was one of the funniest things
I've ever done too. Okay, so what's the is the
status of your football career, currently a free agent and
waiting on a phone call from the TIM to bring

(35:06):
me in. But yes, just happened to what you said.
I mean, I am, I'm in the best step in
my life. Um, you know working I've been working balanced,
you know, core strength and so much that I never
worked on because it's not really part of my arsenal
of like the way that we're moving our body in
dance and uh spending and um where you are in space,

(35:32):
that type of training. Been doing that for hours point
hours for the last few months. On top of training,
I mean, I'm still working out. I get up every morning.
I'm six six thirty am. Um, so about ten thirty am,
I go home, I take a nap, and I get
back up, I eat and get ready for a dance rehearsal.
So it's not like it's not it's not dance. It's

(35:54):
not the only exercise or thing I've been working on
this for the last three Mind. What about the comfort
and you very you're also very comfortable in front of
the camera. Has this has this? Um? Has this triggered
any desire whenever football is over to do more in
front of the camera, Not just sports on TV, but
acting and like, because you know, part of it is this,

(36:15):
it's a show. It's not just the dance. You gotta
you gotta dance in front of the camera. You gotta
make people want to vote for you. Has that triggered
anything else in your brain? You're like, you know what,
I might want to do some acting, some something else
when I'm done playing football that I didn't think I
previously wanted to do. Absolutely. I mean I've always had.

(36:38):
I think everybody at some point in life has said
to themselves, whether it's setting in the couch doing something,
it's it's set up there and say, you know what
I like to be. I like to act. I'm human,
of course, but you know, and I say this without
most respect too, because I know it's there's another gruesome
art to train and be successful at that too. But

(37:00):
that is something you know, TV commentating, acting, those types
of things down the road, I will absolutely be honort
to roll in that shield at some point in life.
But um, I always said, I'm gonna see what gives
up first. I've been saying, this is my rookie year,
and I'm blessed to do this and play football. What's
gonna give first? My talent or my passion, and neither

(37:23):
one has gone. I'm a football um and I can't
wait for a team to call me. Uh. Your boy
Victor Cruz signed with the Chicago Bears. Uh. He's come
out and said some things about the Giants, you know,
wanting to you know, downplay his skill levels. He think
he heard some scouts say that he was washed, that
that he was done. What are your thoughts on how
much juice Vic has left in the tank? Man? Crewe

(37:46):
still rolling, don't don't throw doron no crew, crew still
got it? And um and I'm you know, I'm kind
of glad, you know, you know in a way people
have that um idea because that's just what I know
about him. It's gonna make him thrive and want to
prove everybody wrong and be a better player. So good work, ethic.

(38:10):
So last thing I want to ask you about you personally? Okay,
So here, now you're kind of left with the decision, right,
do I sign with the team now and I'm probably
a backup and I gotta I gotta make the team,
or do you wait and you wait till somebody goes
down and then you you might have a bigger rule
but it's a bigger risk because you might not be

(38:30):
able to hand pick where you want to go. Answer.
I'm a team player, no doubt about it. I want
to go somewhere, UM, get a chance to fight for
the Limbardy. I'm telling you, I gotta taste in my
mouth to win the big one, and I want to
do that in football. And yeah, I mean, of course,
you know, going in and being a starter to backup,
that's really irrelevant to me. I want to go play.

(38:51):
I want to be a locker room guy. I want
to help people win. Um. You know, whenever my name
is called on, I'm gonna go out there and ball.
And I remember, I feel like I'm back in the
same spot that I was in coming out of Jacksonville
my fourth year. Going into my fifth year in the league,
I got picked up basically on improve yourself type of
deal at the Oakland Raiders behind Derren McFadden. At the

(39:13):
end of the year, I ended up being the m
v P of the team and Offensive Player of the
Year and my winning there with the mind frame I'm
gonna make Derren McFadden the best back. I'm gonna back
him up. I'm gonna be a team player, locker room guy.
That's what I did, and that's the same attitude I'm
going into this season. One. Tell me about Rise, this
nonprofit that was founded by Dolphins owner Stephen Ross. I

(39:34):
got like thirty seconds. But I know there's a lot
of some people have negative look at athlete activism. What's yours.
I don't have a negative look if somebody's doing something
genuinely from my hard to make a difference. And sometimes
when you're trying to make a difference, you're not being seen.
And um, you know the things I'll doing with riess uh.
You know a whole town hall meetings are trying to

(39:56):
bring um attention to injustice, whatever area that is. I
think we all have a platform and we should do
more on our communities and RISE it is a great
way organization that helps you, um conform that great stuff. Man.
Look forward to see the team that you sign with,
and congrats on winning one ship. At least this year.
We'll see if you can win another one. Thanks for

(40:17):
catching up with us and being so forthcoming with your
thoughts and feelings. Appreciate be our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Absolutely,
I appreciate it all. It's for Sean Jennings soon to
be maybe in a football stadium near you. In the meantime,
Pretty good Dancer. Does Tom Brady carry a burden with
this concussion discussion? We'll discuss that next in The Doug

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(41:02):
but he's soon to be on vacation or vacation where
you're going? You're going south of the border, aren't you.
I am headed south of the border, duck. I'm glad
you brought that up right now? All right, it's good
somewhere safe south of the border, definitely a safe part. Yes, Mexico.
Who doesn't love Mexico? In Mexican in Mexico, And I'm
glad that you say Mexico and you don't do the Mexico.

(41:22):
You could have said Mexico, which is properly how to
say I am. I always struggle with this because I
do say Hawaii correct pronouncing, and now I don't, but
I don't go Havai, right, Like I don't go like hardcore,
like I grew up on Polynesian, grew up in the island.
I totally look Polynesian, um, but I do do Hawaii
out of respect. I don't know in the Mexico, Mexico

(41:44):
what I'm supposed to do there, right, Like nobody goes
for Mexican food. They go for Mexican food, doesn't they.
They don't go for tex they go for a tex
mex I'm sorry, wait, what was that tex? Uh? Foyer foyer?
What do you do for your foyer? Foer? That is?
That is you say couch or so far? I say couch? Yeah,

(42:07):
kind of a mix of of of uh in your
in terms of class or um. How come no one
knows how to use anybody else's remote except the Universal
Direct TV remote is pretty pretty solid stuff. And but like,
no one knows how to use anybody else's universal remote
even when it's the same remote, it's set up differently.

(42:29):
Have you ever noticed that I have a sad and
breaking news for you. T J. Miller will not be
returning to for Silicon Valley after what five incredible season?
You know, you guys know who t J. Miller is
you know which which act tour? T J Miller is,
you know I know the show. I do not know

(42:51):
who that person is. He plays plays like he's uh,
deb are you a big Silicon Valley fan? Do you
you watched the show on HBO? I am not, but
I'm imd being as we speaking, I'm sorry. I saw
the thing. I saw the point. I was like, oh,
get Devin, she's she's big on Yeah, t J. Miller,
he's uh, he was good. He's also good in Deadpool. Yes,

(43:14):
he's actually in Deadpool he was good and Big Hero six.
All you didn't see his face in Big Hero six.
I mean, but I would say this is probably the
biggest uh. And oh, I know who he plays. He
plays tough Nut in um, what's the Dragons movie? Writers
of Burke? Yeah, well, Writers of Burke is like an
offshoot of How to Train a Dragon? How to Train

(43:36):
a Dragon two? Writers of Burke is like a series
if you have kids, like how to Train Dragons? Actually,
I love I watched the cartoon movies and my kids,
but they're actually really funny for adults as well. Anyway,
he's he's really good nut, so um, yeah, he got
he's not in season six. That's weird because that feels
to me like when Simon left. Simon cal left idol

(43:57):
Ida was Ida went on for several seasons without it,
but was never the same without earlic. I don't know
how how how it's the same, although he's yeah, he's
he'll be in Deadpool too, He'll be in How to
Train Your Dragon three. So there's a guy who knows
usually where his bread is buttered. Maybe asked for too
much money. I don't know anyway. Sally Jenkins is one

(44:18):
of the talented calumnists at the Washington Post, and she writes, uh,
is it fun this game of hide and seek that
NFL quarterbacks are playing with concussions? Maybe Tom Brady has one.
Maybe he didn't find his systems. Win a free find
his symptoms, win a free prize. Drew Brees said he
would conceal one from his own wife, which conjures up
an image of him popping in and out of a

(44:39):
linen closet, and she would look for him behind the
kitchen door. Excuse the sarcasm, it's the result of exasperation.
But if Breeze and Brady want to calculate the exchange
rate between winning a game and how many neurons must
be sacrificed to stay in the field. That's their personal choice.
To problem is that they have signaled to four million
high school football player is in college football players that

(45:01):
hiding symptoms is what great ones do. And it's okay
to not tell your wife, uh, to tell the women
in your life, or to tell her to keep quiet
about it, even though she may have to wipe the
food from your chin one day. This is an interesting
and dab I'd love your You're in a second year,
your thoughts on this discussion, um or we're I don't

(45:25):
know if we're at the crossroads in the NFL. I
don't know if we're there yet. It probably should be,
probably should be, but I don't know for there yet.
I said to Ryan Music today, I was I was
having dinner with a friend of mine and we were
talking about the lacrosse thing, Like lacrosse is for suburban
mostly white kids, Like lacrosse is the new, is the new,

(45:47):
It's sport, right, it's and like, look, my image of
lacrosse was when I was a Notre Dame. The lacrosse
players were the guys that weren't quite athletic enough to
make the hockey team or the football team, but still
have the kind of tenacity toughness, weren't quite good enough
to make baseball, like good all around tough athletes, but
a notch below and the perfect example of what a

(46:09):
great athlete could do in la crosses. You know, Jim
Brown played the cross and he's casen as arguably the
greatest lacrosse player of all time. Right, so you put
the highest level of athletes out there. I don't think
the lacrosse thing will ever hit because it's just it's
worse than hockey to broadcast on television, right, Like hockey
is hard enough, but it's in a rink. It's hockey

(46:30):
without skates on a football field. So it's hard to
find find, hard to find the ball, hard to see
the strategy, it's not easy to it's constant movement. So
even though football there's not a lot of action, it's
made for TV. Sport TV ends up being the you know,
the main driver of money to football. So I don't

(46:51):
think the lacrosse thing hits. But we're all trying to
find like, where do you send you have an athletic kid,
what do you have him? Do son plays every sport,
every sport, but he does. He does not play tackle yet.
He's eight. And because of the move from east to
West coast this summer um where we're gonna live, a

(47:13):
buddy of mine coaches a little bit older flag football.
The flag football is way better in California and than
it is in Connecticut. So he'll play flag football he
had he stayed in Connecticut. He wanted to play tackle
next year. And you know what, I probably would have
let him. I played tackle from seven to like fourteen,
and I'm the words for the wear. Okay, so that's
there's a total judgment calling that. But um so look

(47:36):
and but this is what I said, deb and you
guys can agree disagree. I think high school football is
the most likely football to go away, the soonest and
here's why. Right, Uh, there are two things that change
things the quickest in society, especially uh in you know,
in in state's state government, national government. The first is

(48:00):
some sort of major catastrophe, right like the reason that
the Patriot Law came into effect was because of nine eleven.
Right Like, they never would have let people get in.
It wouldn't have gone through Congress and there would be
a massive uprising if not for the fact that everyone
was scared. So like, yeah, go ahead, and you can
look in people's cell phones and computers whatever. We don't care. Yeah,

(48:20):
invade my privacy, just keep me safe. So the other
one is a class action lawsuit. Okay. So while the
NFL was able, and the real reason that the NFL
has expanded to l A is not because they had
to get two teams in the l A market. They
don't want to come out of pocket for this concussion

(48:41):
concussion settlement, you know. And so all that money the
you know, less than you know, somewhere less than a
billion dollars, that's all coming out of those relocation fees
for the three teams that are relocating. So they won't
the owners won't be paying anything out of their bottom
line in order to pay off that concussion settlement over
the next twenty years. Kind of genius, kind of sinister

(49:03):
at the same time. But the fact is that the
NFL is going to be able to withstand this because
they've been paying players i think college football, because they
offer healthcare just like the NFL offers healthcare, and because
they frankly already been paying players with an education, they'll
be able to withstand it. If a if a high
school if a former high school football player can prove

(49:25):
that he got his where's where he got a l
S or he got some form of brain damage and
it's because of his time playing youth and high school football,
and can form a class action lawsuit that could bring
down high school football. I I honestly think that could happen.
But here's the thing, Um, I understand that we're saying, Hey,
On one hand, the reason you can't do sexually suggestive

(49:48):
dances is not because you can't do something, but it's
because kids are watching football and that's not how we
want you to act. And while Sally Jenkins is saying
is like, hey, if you're Tom Brady and you'r Drew Brees,
the same applies for concussions. Like you can't brag about
hiding concussions. There's this gray area and I'm not talking
about the gray matter of your brain. There's this gray

(50:09):
area between Okay, you have to tell people about the
dangers of your sport and playing your sport. On the
other hand, there's there is a certain inherent toughness that
you want to build into kids that you that that
makes foot there's part of part of it makes football great.
Like part of the reason I want my son to
play tackle football is I want him to get hit

(50:32):
really hard, just once and see if he gets up right. Not.
I don't want him to get hit and get concussed,
but I want him to get tackled cleanly and get
knocked to the ground, and I want him to get up,
dust himself off, go back in the huddle, and say
what's the next play? Right I I that's part of
what makes you. You have to be some a man,
that that's that's a there's an analogy or a metaphor

(50:53):
to life in that you're gonna get your as kicked
every now and again, and what do you do next?
Do you get up? So I love football and I
love the fact that you have to have a and
guys working together. That's the ultimate team sport. On the
other hand, I don't know if it's the time to
call out Drew Brees and Tom Brady and saying, hey,
these concussions are real, because I also believe that that
part of what Breeze and Brady know and football players

(51:16):
are trying to relate is like they know this is
part of the game. They've accepted as part of the game,
and getting a concussion or a couple concussions in their
football lifetime is in fact worth the sacrifice. And frankly,
it's not gonna have the long term debilitating damage that
repeated concussions have or have to everybody. So I don't
like Sally Jenkins telling people what to do with their

(51:37):
personal records and calling them out because of because of
the presence they have in their support. I kind of
think it's dangerous, but I also understand that it comes
from a good place for her. Where do you stand
on tap Well, I think the guys that are done
with their careers that are talking about it, I think
that's important because they have nothing to lose at this point. Um,

(51:58):
as far as you know the men's Drew Brees made
about keeping it from his wife, UM, I disagree with that.
I also disagree, however, with Giselle going on television talking
about her husband's business. UM. I think what happens uh
the the health of two spouses should remain between those
two spouses. I don't think it should be everybody's business,

(52:21):
unless obviously it's so physically obvious to everybody else's eye,
that's something's wrong with that guy. Um, it's hard. Have
you seen Gleeson? Have you seen the movie Gleason? Yes? God,
his wife is unbelievable, amazing. It's one of the hardest
things I've ever watched. And I have I have a
close friend who has a l S. And my buddy

(52:42):
boog Shanbi just put on this amazing softball game to
benefit his friend who who who died from a l S.
But really, I mean, and if football causes that, like,
how could you have your kid play? Like? I'm torn
on the whole thing. Right, It's it's like, do I
think my kids going to get brain damage from playing football?
I don't. But if if playing football increases the likelihood

(53:06):
that he gets brain damage, why the hell would I
haven't played football? Right, There's plenty of other sports that
he can excel it. Well, again, he has your example too.
You played a different sport too. There are other avenues
in which he can direct that athleticism. I lucked out. Um.
I don't have to make that decision at this point
as far as I know, because I have a daughter. Um.
But again, when we found out we were going to

(53:27):
have a child I was. I've been a football fan
my whole life, you know, for decades. Um, So that
would have been a struggle to say, no, I'm sorry,
even though I took an unconventional path for my sex
and my time. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to
tell you you can't pursue what you want to pursue.
That that's a tough thing for a parent to have

(53:47):
to do. But at the same time, when you're charged
with their safety, it's a judgment call every family has
to make. There is one correlation here which I want
to make. We're going to take you to Boston, take
it to Cleveland in a second. Um, there is a
simil hlarity between that and domestic violence. A right, did
this stick with me for one second? Okay. One of
the reasons that NFL players wives or girlfriends aren't going

(54:09):
to report domestic violences because it will hurt their family financially.
Like if you say my husband struck me, my husband
hit me, your husband's gonna be done in the NFL,
and and he probably should be done. On the other hand,
like a lot of these guys don't have other skills.
It's not like then go out and go like make
make the seven figure income elsewhere, And so there is

(54:31):
kind of that problem to which we we don't really
want to rehab people. We just want to get rid
of people who have violated rules of common decency and
and some of that I understand, but there is the
financial aspects to it. It's the same thing with concussions
in that if you're the wife of of an average
football player and you're like, yeah, my my husband's had
a bunch of concussions, or even encouraging your husband to

(54:51):
come out, is that going to limit his financial viability
in the future because any team doesn't want to pick
him up. They're worried he gets stinged, he gets concussion,
he's in concussion protocol. We won't have him for for
several weeks. There's the financial aspect of it, which we
haven't even discussed anyway, interesting discussion and uh I I'm
fascinated to see what happens with football, a sport that

(55:14):
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a kid. I love watching my kid play flag football.
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(58:05):
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contrite about the way they left things here. They were,
you know, thoroughly demolished when they last played here down
by lost by forty four, and it pledged to give
their fans a better show tonight. And I'm sure that's
they got a chance to do that. It's very well intended.
I they can win, I suppose, but I don't think

(58:27):
they will win. I just I think that Cleveland, you know,
Cleveland should be able to take care of business here.
I mean, they're just they're just better and h the
Celtics don't have any stars, and they're really it's a
noble team effort. They've got a great coach and a
lot of good role of guys. But I don't I
think it's gonna be an asking a lot to extend
this thing for them. What about the sense that they're

(58:49):
a better team overall without Isaiah Thomas. Is that just
in the short term as the Cats have had to
make an adjustment or is that something you could see
playing out in the long term. Well that really reject
that notion, of course, and they kind of have to.
But I think that I'd say his value as a
you know, potential MAX player, that's probably gone away for
him here. And you know, he's a defensive liability. He's

(59:11):
probably for the eight or nine and and uh but yeah,
they I mean by Steven's owner mission, they played their
best half of the playoffs in Game four, in the
first half, and that was without Isaiah Thomas and not
his fault. I just think that he has not done
anything to these last two games have not increased his value,
except perhaps if they decided to trade him high. Uh oh,

(59:32):
so what about and now what about the draft? A
Lonzo ball has turned down their offer to have him
come out and come and work out for them, is it?
It is as much a foregone conclusion as many of
us believe, that they draft Marquelle Folts and then figure
out what they want to do with the rest of
their roster. That's easily where it's going. But I think
that whatever Danny's gonna do, he probably knows. But he's
certainly going to entertain offers and and see if somebody

(59:55):
wants to get stupid on him. And he did that
to New Jersey a few years ago and it's paid
off for them. So, Um, he's not influenced by really
the outcomes of this series, or the talk shows or
any of the external pressures. He pretty much is a
good talent evaluator, is strong in his beliefs, and he's
not going to be reactive as much as she's going
to carry out the planet each season. We don't really

(01:00:17):
know what that is at this point, but uh, it
would appear that they're, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna draft
bolts and and try to build from there. Can you
help explain to me the Lebron thing where he said,
uh that you know, we don't he said, we don't
talk about greatest all time in quarterbacks. That's not true.
We always do. He also doesn't seem to want to
be measured up to Jordan, even though last offseason he

(01:00:39):
said he's chasing ghosts that one that played in Chicago,
Like I don't. I guess I'm confused why he suddenly
isn't okay with the Jordan comparison. Um, do you understand it? No?
I think you know, he's I think he tries to
be cooperative and you know, if you talk enough, you're
gonna kind of box yourself in a few things. That

(01:01:00):
sounds like that's what's happened there. I don't. I don't
put too on stock in any of it. He's he's
basically reacting to things that are asked. I don't feel
like he's pounding his fist and saying on this, on that,
and uh, you know, he's not dealing from strength coming
off his last two games. So, UM, you know, I understand.
I kind of understand all of it. I tend not
to react too much to any of it. Do you

(01:01:22):
think he snapped out of it with his performance the
other day? Uh? Not not wholly that That wasn't you
know Irving. We all know Irving saved them in that game,
and Lebron was you know, Lebron scored thirty four, a
lot of dunks, a lot of runaway stuff. He still
doesn't look that comfortable to me late in the game.
So we'll see if that changes here tonight. I tend
to agree with you. Dan Shaughnessy readers work in the

(01:01:43):
Boston Globe FALM on Twitter. I'm sure he'll tweet out
his work there at Dan underscore Shaughnessy, Dan enjoy the
game might be the last hoop game in uh in
Boston for the season. Appreciate you joining us. Thanks got
a great Shwarts joints. This covers the cas for Bleacher Report, Greg,
do you think Lebron unsnapped out of it in that
fourth quarter where he was responsible for points? I would

(01:02:06):
say no, just because he's not his normal healthy uh selfie.
We've heard him earlier today and shoot around and he's
clearly a little congested, a little stuffed up. So I
think we were not sure what we're going to get
out of him tonight. I think mentally he's probably ready
to go, but physically he's not a percent and uh
at not a Lebron not a percent is still better

(01:02:26):
than you know, a lot of guys have not other guys,
so not not all the way back. But yeah, he'll
he'll still have a good game tonight. Uh what about
the rest of the Cavaliers. We we saw the best
of Kyrie Irving. All we've seen Kevin Love kind of
step up his game. What about the ancillary pieces and
how they need to get them kind of all firing

(01:02:47):
at all cylinders getting ready for the Warriors season. Who's
been struggling the most? I think Kyle Korver is the
guy that he's had a really good playoff series up
to this point, He's really struggled with the shot now
A Boston done a good job of taking him out
of the game. I think because they've had so many
good Primier defenders with Avery Bradley and Crowder and Marcus
smart Uh, they really made it an effort to get

(01:03:09):
in his face and create some tough looks for him,
and I think he's forced it a little bit. If
you think get Kyle Korverer open, he scores over ten
points the game, you have a very very good record
in the regular season. So if they can get Korver going,
j R. Smith's a guy that hasn't had a big
breakout game, not a twenty point game like he's had
in previous postseason. So those are two shooters. If you
can get those guys going in really space before for

(01:03:30):
Kyrie Irving and Lebron James. Uh, that's when your offense
is really going to take off. Tyron Lewis said that
the Celtics without Isaiah Thomas in some ways are tougher,
is tougher to prepare for than the Golden State Warriors.
I know they run. I know it's he's trying to
be respectful of Brad Stevens. Everybody thinks Brad does a
great job, But come on, right, Like when he said that,

(01:03:51):
did everybody just roll their eyes collectively? Yeah? I think
that was pretty much the reaction. I'd love to see
the reaction inside the Golden State Goldenzvia Warriors locker room
after they heard that one, uh go ahead this series.
They clearly their defensive plan was we're gonna take Isaiah
Thomas out of it. They did the same in the
previous series against the Toronto Raptors at the Martin Rosen

(01:04:14):
where they were gonna they were gonna blitz him, and uh,
he shot twenty off when he was double team. So
they clearly did their work against the Rosen. They had
their plan in place. Frisia. Obviously, he goes out after
Game two at the hip injury. They kind of scrambled defensively,
the last two games didn't look the same as as
good as they did in games one and two. I mean,
Boston is a good team. I think he was trying

(01:04:34):
to give credit to Brad Stevens and all the great
plays that he can draw up in time outs and
what they run now. And they're kind of unpredictable because
they share the ball now more without Isaiah Thomas. But yeah,
it was uh, somewhat of a ridiculous statement to make.
For sure, it feels like this series is over right,
do they do they stop on Do they stop on
them the way they didn't one in two? I don't

(01:04:55):
know that they stomp on him just because Boston still
got that you know, we've got nothing to lose mentality,
especially with Isaiah out. But we saw how kind of
timid they looked the first two games. Playing at home,
I think that puts a little bit of extra pressure
on them. The Cavaliers, I think you're going to take
care of business night and win by at least ten points.
Greg Schwartz covers the Calves for Bleacher Report, following on

(01:05:16):
Twitter at Calves Greg b R b R being Bleached
Report Greg great stuff, Enjoy the game talk with these
we get ready for the NBA Finals. All right, thanks,
all right, So you needed a guy, we got you
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(01:06:01):
This is gets she playing on a loop in his vacation.
I like the song. I like it pu Yeah? Is
it pitt Bull? How do you say pit bull? How
do you say that? How is that said? There? Dog?
I'm not really a share how that's said? And that's
how it's sad. Then that's how it's sad. Absolutely, yes,
it is pitt Bull, pit Bull. Johnny Ramos and the girl.

(01:06:25):
I can't remember the girl's name. Uh so you don't know?
No idea, okay, no idea none. Ramos getting ready for Mexico.
So if he misses a button, that's because he's not
really paying attention. Kesha is Kesha, Nice work, Oliver, Oliver
it would just like keep parachutes in here on Thursdays, Like, hey,
I'm here, what do you do? Like? Man, just show

(01:06:47):
up on Thursdays, get some little credit for school whatever.
Say I worked in the dog gotlip show, I produced?
Like okay, fine, he threat Kesha. There we go. We
might we sound much more hip. What did you learn?
I didn't learn anything, but one day I told him
that Kesha was on a pit Bull song. That's right,
that he should have learned a lot today. What what
kills you? What saves you as a kid kills you
as an adult. You pray for stow, you hope, you

(01:07:09):
pray for an opportunity more than anything else. Uh, but
that's if he was listening. He was listening, is not
at off And we're gonna make him go on a
coffee run hereson because daddy need coffee. That's that's right.
That's that's the way it goes. Um Drew Roseno was
gonna join us next hour. That could be really fun
or interesting. I want to know how this ground deal
like it feels like a Patriot deal like and I

(01:07:34):
know people like, well, look, this is the Kauai Leonard argument,
Like spurs beat the Rockets without Kauai. You're like, see,
Kauai is not that great. Like you won one game
like the Patriots one without Rob Gronkowski, Like, yeah, they
did one. The a f C sucked last year, right,
like completely easy. Derek Carr got hurt. Kansas City is

(01:07:57):
quarterback by Alex Smith, right like I mean, and they
lost Deeric Johnson midyear. Um, Houston had no quarterback. Plus
Houston is completely owned by the Patriots. Steelers had Steelers
had their defense wasn't very good. Their offense was banged up.
You know, Levian got hurt. Mark Tavis Bryant didn't play

(01:08:17):
all years. They didn't have to tell me to take
the top off the defense, right like, no Levy on
and no and no real defense and on the road,
like Steelers are just okay. Ravens a bit down last year.
I'm not taking away from the Patriots and their win,
but they were down twenty three for a reason. They
should have lost that game. We would all agree they

(01:08:38):
should have lost that game. Julio Jones makes that catch,
they take a knee three consecutive plays, kick a field goal,
they win the game. It's over. History is completely changed. Uh,
if they have Rob Grenkowski, it's a completely different game.
He's that good, speaking of he's that good. Um, it's

(01:09:02):
a weird thing when we start talking about Kobe, because
how do we characterize Kobe considering he played with Shack
and to those of us who were old enough to remember,
like Shack used to not be in shape to start
the season, work his way into shape. And the reason
he was only a one time league MVP, but it's
a three time finals m v P was by the
time he was in shape as the NBA playoffs and

(01:09:22):
he was We never seen anything like him send but
one unbelievably athletic and when locked in, when engaged, like
you weren't stopping Shack. And then he had Kobe, all right,
So I thought Shaq and I were boys, but then
I was. I heard he called me out with John

(01:09:43):
Kincaid's a friend of mine. They co host the The
was The Big The Big Podcast was Shock on podcast one.
And then I heard him say this not somewhere somewhere
like whoa yea, and what do you need to be
dealt with? What do you know? Like you know they

(01:10:06):
like to take shots every now whoa Okay, I just
heard it. I just can take him with were boys
like I Dale Brown's friend of my dad. I met
Shack when he was at the Wooden Awards. He was
I was in high school and he shook my hand
and it touched my elbow right like Chack was. When

(01:10:26):
I was working out with the Lakers and the Summers
on the Summer League. Like we'd see Shack. He was
always cool with us, like whatever you need, who you
would just get it for you? Like, well, I thought, Jack,
we're good. My first guest on Fox Sports Radio Brian
Music was who Shaquille O'Neal. Did I screw it up? Well?
If anything, he was the one who called it a

(01:10:46):
little bit late. Yeah, and we didn't call him for it.
We didn't call him on it. We just welcomed them
in with open arms. What do you say? I was
talking trials taking shots. When I take shots at Shack,
I was a bad free throw shoot. I can't take
shots and Shack you should have worked at him more
or whatever. But okay, I like it worked out for him. Oh,
that's out of context. That's not the full thing. Well,

(01:11:08):
there is a little bit more. Should we should we
play the whole thing? Yes? Here what they do John.
Not all meter guys are like you somewhere somewhere like
Doug Got yeah, and they need to be dealt with
what they do. They just you know, like you know,
they like to take shots. All right, Okay. It was

(01:11:33):
weird to me though, because you were you were a
guest that you were Gottlieb's first guest. Well maybe not
got maybe stupid you talking just like a Lebratard and
Stee those two idiots. Okay, okay, good is that cleared

(01:11:56):
up there? Because I was thinking to myself, what did
douggar do in the last day. Look, I don't have
I don't have fat face. I actually have a butt.
I don't know if you know a labatard has like
literally he has. He suffers from a rare disease called
no asatal. Right he does. He just it's amazing, gets
back into legs and oh yeah, by the way, like

(01:12:18):
Leaba charge wrong as far as leaving ESPN and falling
off the face here, it's like I didn't fall off
the face earth. The earth is round. We proved that
a while ago. Anyway, Who I don't want the big
fellow mad at me, like, look, I'm always gonna be me,
like and I I I but if I had take
a shot at somebody, I'll tell them they come on
an interview with us, like when um, when Rosenhouse comes

(01:12:40):
on with me, I'm gonna tell him, like this feels
like a bad deal, just does I don't. I don't
really get the incentivelated deal for a gronk who's always hurt. Uh?
And that that. By the way, you can download that
full episode on Monday podcast one dot com. We have
our own podcast. You need to download it. To subscribe,

(01:13:00):
you need to rate us. Tell a friend little little
worried when I thought we had an enemy in shack,
Yeah I didn't. That's Ryan music. I was a little
worried as well. Uh not a dude, you want mad
at you? And do you want mad at you? What?
What did God Liam do? That's a good that's a
very good question. What the hell did I do? Like?
I know, sometimes I do stuff. I say something like

(01:13:22):
did I say that? Like you said that? You said that,
and somebody tweeted out, right, Mike tweets it out, And
then you're like, oh my, you don't tweet it out.
Now everybody has heard it. Can we take it down?
Like now, we can't take it down. You said it,
I said it, knowing it. What did I say to Shack? Thankfully? Nothing? Man?
I got, I got really got a little nervous there.
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(01:14:28):
make good. Somebody made bad, so we just made good.
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There you go. Chili Peppers on tour this summer. I'm
I kind of tour on tour all the time, right,
I feel like I got can see the Chili Peppers.

(01:14:50):
I have never seen the Chili Peppers live or their
sucks good, still good, like chili peppers. They've been around
since like I was real young, hid all right, and
they still still kicking tail, still kicking tail. You know
we should do. Let's find out what's in my sack.
Let's reach into godly sack. Vito had way too much

(01:15:14):
fun making that making that intro tony a little bit
too much uncomfortable amount of fun from my man, Vito.
All right, what do you got from me there? Right now?
All right, Doug, let me look in here. Why don't
we whoa, whoa, that's wrong, sack? Oh so we're not, okay,
you know, let's go with this. That real news fake news? Okay,

(01:15:37):
all right, So I have to determine whether or not
what you're saying is real or real news or fake news.
Former Giants wide receiver and now Bears wide receiver Victor
Cruz said on The Breakfast Club this morning, he's thankful
for a time in New York and the Giants treated
him like family his entire career career, but he understands
the NFL is a business. What's the real news or

(01:16:01):
fake news? Oh? That that he said it that way?
Did he actually say that? No, that's foot fake news yeah,
he said, what what did he say? He said like
that they purposely didn't throw in the football. That's correct.
I felt all year long, halfway through the year on
balling and the other half I'm not getting the ball.
It's just like, what's going on. I was like, Okay,
I see what's happening. They don't want me here anymore.
A lot of people probably don't know this. Let's say

(01:16:23):
I played well, it was a thousand yard receiver last year,
it would have been more difficult from a fans perspective
to understand why they cut me. So you are correct
that was fake news. I'm not sure if you're aware
of this, but Fitcher Cruz really high drop rate, super
high drop rate since he tour remember tours a c

(01:16:44):
l than he had. I think what ankle problem as well?
Uh but after he had the great, you know, breakout
season when he's in the slot, he wasn't out and
outside the numbers guy and he had and he had
a lot of drops. So uh yeah, I um, I
personally think that Vitr Cruz, like you sign a new deal,

(01:17:05):
they didn't want you back. I get that you're mad,
but I don't think they would the Giants are trying
to make the playoffs. They weren't trying to not give
you the football. That's true, and I understand that the
ball needs to be distributed. But let's also remember who
the Giants have on the other side of the receiving
cors Odell Beckham Jr. They may have something to do
with it. Next story here, Doug Panthers linebacker Luke Keikley

(01:17:28):
has told reporters from now on he will no longer
talk about or answer questions regarding concussions because he can't remember.
And that was that was a really scary one, right.
The second one that he had this year was looking
his face, Yeah, and he got real emotional and he
had to be carted off. Yeah. I I kind of

(01:17:50):
think this this goes back to the Sally Jenkins article.
I like, you guys can pretend like they're not happening,
but like we're all seeing them happen, so we can
can complete denial of him. But I think it's pretty
obviously he's kind of scared of what another concussion could
mean to his football career. Who doesn't like watching Luke
kickilely play football. You feel like he's destined to be

(01:18:11):
on that football field, but not talking about it. I
don't how does that make it go away? I don't
get it. Is that really? That's correct, he told reporters. Quote,
everybody knows I want to play. Everybody knows the decision
was made by the coaches. So hopefully we that's him
referring to why he had to sit out a majority
of last season because he was cleared, but they were

(01:18:32):
out of playoff contention, so they sat him. Everyone knows
it was the coach's decision. Hopefully we can move on
from that and not ask any more questions about concussions
because I'm done with that end quote sticking In the NFL,
Doug Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has said he is on
great terms with the team's front office. They're having ongoing
discussions about his contract, and he expects there to be

(01:18:54):
a deal sooner rather than later. Real news or fake news,
fake news, fake That's correct, he said, quote, as a
person once told me, deadlines do deals. So he's referring
to the deadline, which is not until July, and he
doesn't even know if that is when the deal will
be done by. Yes, deadlines do bring deals. It's remarkable.

(01:19:16):
I like, like, you guys could have been working on
this the whole time. Like we'll get to it. You
know what it is, We're all procrastinators. We were just
talking about like we're all like my kids. I went
to my kids future school last last night for like
a sixth grade meeting, you know, advancement of sixth grade meeting,
and I had the paperwork here somewhere. Ah, and they

(01:19:39):
they have to They're gonna have between sixty and ninety
minutes of homework a night. I was like, what, which
to me means Like, Okay, that means I got like
forty five minutes of homework and then like fifteen minutes
on the car ride over. All right, because you do
it the last second, because you're procrastinator. That's exactly what
it is. Uh. Is that real news or fake news? Um?
What was the news? I can room now? We are

(01:20:03):
lost my last one dog. The Yankees have lost almost
a hundred and sixty six million dollars in ticket and
sweets revenue since two thousand nine. The end of the
two thousand nine season. Fake news, new Stadium, fake and
the spectacular. That is, according to The New York Times,

(01:20:23):
at the end of the two thousand nine seasons when
they first opened the new stadium. But since then the
team has lost over a hundred and sixty six million
dollars in revenue. They're they're paying off that's that's in
my sack. That was Scott leads set. This happens with
a lot of new buildings. Right. You're paying off a
debt service and you're writing down all the debt. You're

(01:20:43):
writing it down with the loss. You don't have to
pay taxes on the money that you do make. So
remember that's in revenue. That's that's in net, that's not engross.
And that's that's part of a koind of the genius
to accounting where you just write off a bunch of losses.
Do I really think they're making they're losing money. No,
Yankees are printing money. They were That's why they didn't
go to the young lineup earlier last year. I'll wait

(01:21:04):
till you what Tyron Lou said about the Warriors and
what the Warriors said in return. That's next. What oppen
She's gotta live show Fox Sports Radio? Do do do Do? Do?
Do do do? I hate disingenuous answers. I just do

(01:21:27):
like he asked me a question about any of the
places I worked. I'll give you, within reason, pretty honest answer,
you know, like I'm not gonna share all of my
true feeling, like you don't want to hear that. Plus,
you know, I don't even if something could be construed
as negative, Like I don't have negative feelings for the
most part about places I've worked, but relationships prior to

(01:21:47):
my wife, my wife even I'll tell you one thing.
That's so, I'm going to play golf of the buddy
here after work, and it's kind of like the perfect
He's like, you want to do eighteen or nine? Like
I really want to do like thirt in or fourteen, Right,
that's like the perfect number. Like nine you feel like
kind of cheating the course, you know, but eighteen you're like, god,

(01:22:07):
I was so done at fourteen, right, So what I'm
what I'm like, my goal is and he wants to
play super quick and then get to watch in the game.
My goal is like we get to like fourteen and
I hit a great shot and then I just pick
it up and go like let's go. Like that's crazy,
Like that's a good day of golfer. But I had
a friend I played with this is it wasn't He

(01:22:30):
was kind of a friend of a work colleague. It's
funny work colleague, and I had worked with him several
times and we got to play golf, and like, at
first it was like, like, you know, guys have the
golf jokes about their wives or whatever. It was funny,
and then it kind of became like, dude, I don't
want to hear about all the things you hate about

(01:22:52):
your wife, Like I just said, ruining my walk. Uh,
I don't know. It just kind of turns me off.
So there is a level of whether it's honesty or negativity,
which is too much, but there's also a level of
dishonesty and answering question that's that's also too much or
too little, if you will, kind of thing. I'm there with.

(01:23:13):
Tyron Loew He was asked about about getting ready to
face the Warriors, even though they have one more game
remaining at least tonight with the Celtics quote, I don't
even think about them. We're just focused on Boston stuff.
They're running. It's harder to defend than Golden State's offense
for me, as far as the actions and all they're

(01:23:34):
running around all these guys who are making all the plays,
so it's a totally different thing. Like they hit the post,
Golden States, run splits and all that stuff. But all
these guys really running all kinds of s. I'll be like,
f they're running all these kinds of s, man, and
Brad's got them moving and cutting and playing with pace

(01:23:55):
and everybody's a threat. It's tough, you know, it's tough,
all right, man? Like do you want to give credit
to Brad Stevens? Sure, Brad Stevens is an amazing basketball coach, right, tremendous,
also a tremendous guy. I can just tell you he's
a friend, personal friend, like when I was living in

(01:24:15):
the East Coast when it comes to New York and
send you a text like we go down the street,
duck in, have a little sushi, just talk ball, like
for no reason, Like if you're a friend of his,
you're a friend of his, is really good guy? Do
you want to give credit to him? And how well
the Celtics are playing and how it's difficult, more difficult
to prepare than maybe when they had Isaiah Thomas because
they're getting more guys involved. Like that's fine, But when

(01:24:36):
you say one. I don't even think about the Warriors
Bowl too. Uh, it's harder to defend than Golden State's offense, okay, right,
Like that's it's harder to defend like Marcus Smart, who, yes,
he made seven threes, but then he banked one in
the other night, right, and now he's a below three

(01:24:59):
point shooter for his career. Like, it's not harder to
defend guys that can't make shots. The hardest thing to
defend is you can play really good defense against words
and they still make shots. Mike Brown said that comment
was cute. It's it's cute, perfect response, right because it

(01:25:20):
has just the right amount of honesty without being too negative. Right.
He didn't like crush Tyron Lou, Like, look, he's full
of it and he's trying to play this game and
the stuff. But the Celtics not disrespect them and respecting us.
They don't like us, We don't like them. But he
didn't go into that. He just said, it's cute, done perfect.

(01:25:41):
So I like Taran Lou, who did cross me up
in college, crossed me up some nasty I did full
broken ankles. Uh No, but it was it's one of
those to where here's what like fans don't know. It's
like fans don't know. Like there's times in which a
guy gets you and like you feel you feel your

(01:26:03):
soul loose move or lose your you know, exit your body,
like you actually feel your knees like lose power for
a second because you're all of a sudden, somebody goes
in the direction that you weren't expecting them to go
at a pace you weren't like, oh right, it's a
weird feeling. So I I didn't fall down, but I

(01:26:24):
fell down without falling down? Does that make sense? Like
you just we just kind of like it's here's a
better example. You know, like some tennis players they're running
one direction and then they guess which way the return
is going to be, and then you see them not move,
like why do you that guy move and chase after
the ball like he could have gotten that. It's because

(01:26:45):
internally they got crossed up. You just didn't see them
fall down or anything that that that may make better sense.
Here's my Tyrond Louse story. Um, we used to everybody
call the n I t the Nebraska Invitational Tournament because
Nebraska's never won an n C a tournament game. They've
been in the tournament. They never won a game, and

(01:27:05):
they were Danny Knee was their coach when I played
in college, and they were one of the worst road
teams for a good team. They were a terrible road team.
And they had Tyrone Lou They had a Tyrone's cousins
named Cookie Belcher, who's true tremendous, and then they had
Big Hamilton's I think it's Justin Hamilton's inside, big seven,

(01:27:28):
six eleven shot blocker. Anyway, So my sophomore year, first
year at Oaklahoma State, they came in and we were
like thirteen and o ranked in the country, and they're
a terrible road team, and we got up like twelve
to two and we're like, that's a wrap. This game
was over. And they came back. He got super close
and late in the game he crossed me up. My
soul left my body. He hit a jump shot and

(01:27:49):
they beat us on our home floor. And then the
next year we went back and he didn't play. He
had left for the NBA that year. Next year went back,
repaid the favor. They were in first place in the
league and we stopped him, but he didn't cross me up.
Like it wasn't Like if it was the end mixed
the end one NIX tape, somebody would have hopped out
of the stands going oh baby, oh baby. But the

(01:28:11):
reality of it was my soul off my body. Did
you ever get it back? Yeah, yeah, you get it back. No, no,
you get it, you get it back, you grab it,
you put it back in, and you come back the
next next possession you got. Did you have any moment
after that where you were able to be like, okay,
I like regained it, Like, did you cross anybody? I
don't remember anything else about the game. I remembered out

(01:28:32):
You're like I got crossed. I did kind of black out.
I don't. I don't remember much of that game, Like
I remember almost everything of every game, and I remember
we had a chance to win the game late and
we did not. But like I remember most of the
plays that I ran in college and most of the
other endings. For whatever reason, I remember being what Tyra,
what what lou did was really smart? Was I was

(01:28:52):
doing a really good job on him at the time,
and I was I was funneling him right, which spent
which means like you get a guy on the left
side of the court, and you cut off one side
of the court so that the crossover. It doesn't matter
if he crosses back to his right hand, he can't
go there because you're already there. And so when when
a guy's funneling you, what you want to do is
you want to get them to flatten out. You want

(01:29:13):
them their their feet to be parallel, because now you
got him night and go either way. And so he
backed up like two or three dribbles, and I thought
he was backing up, probably to get a running start.
That's also very going downhills, really difficult to guard a guy.
And I kind of was trying to close up the
space so he couldn't get a running start. So now
I'm flattened out and I'm moving towards him. He was

(01:29:34):
super super quick, and he went to the right and
I went to my left, which is his right right.
I I went that way and then he crossed me
up and my soul left my body. That's what happens. Okay,
here's the thing. Was that move worse than when tylu
got stepped over by Allen Iverson? Well not as many
people saw it, but that's what I'm saying. But nobody

(01:29:55):
like yes, Like I don't like the getting stepped over
by Iverson. It's weird. I have this weird thing with Iverson.
I just I like, I love the interview he had
with Colin Cowherd yesterday. But Ai is never really and
maybe he doesn't have to now because he's an m VP.

(01:30:16):
He's not just m v P but a Hall of Famer.
But he never felt he really came clean about why
he didn't really live up to his potential. And that
might seem weird because well, he's an NBA m v P. Like, yeah,
but he was out of the league by his mid thirties.
He was kind of persona on grata by early thirties.

(01:30:36):
You know, he was super, super talented. But and he
did take the Sixers to the finals with Larry Brown,
Larry Brown when they had no right. Part of that
was this and this is like when Lebron took his
team to the finals. The East is horrible, It's been
horrible for a long time, but it was still a
great achievement for him to get to the finals. But
that like gave him That's like Carmelo Anthony win a
title in college. He gives these guys this pass for

(01:30:58):
the rest of their career, which I don't understand, like
a I was not he was a team player from
this standpoint, like he would want he would play hard
when the game was going on, but like he didn't
train hard, he didn't practice, he didn't have the attention
to detail and practice. He didn't have the work ethic
that he could have been. I'd love to I like

(01:31:20):
to say, like he could have been one of the
all time grades, but I guess as a Hall of Famer,
he was one of the all time grades. I just
I feel like he could have been so much more.
And he really struggled to fit in with coaches with
team concept, with you know, when the game gets done
and you your team is going from Philadelphia, New York
and you catch a chopper to go to Atlantic City

(01:31:40):
and then meet the team the next day. Like I
just you know, like I'm not holding the practice ran
against him. But that's also just a snippet of how
he really saw basketball, which was from the game. I
just I'll show up the games and I'll do my
job and I'll I'll compete. But it wasn't a great
creative passer. He wasn't a great defender like what he

(01:32:01):
was was like I'll go get you buckets, A high volume,
low percentage shooter. But he was a freak, Like I
guarded him twice. Here's a freak. Some guys are fast,
some guys are quick. He was both super strong for
his size. But I still I watched him and I go,
what what could have been? And so some of that
I hold against him. With the stepping over Tyrone Loup,

(01:32:23):
I don't did he did he cross over Tyron Lou
to Tyrone Loup? I forget what happened. I believe it
was he hit the corner three and ty Lou was
going to close him out and then kind of like
fell and then he stepped over him after he made
the three. Yeah, that one, I don't. That's not that
embarrassing to me. Not embarrassing. That's like when big guys
get dunked on, like that job hazard, like Maskov getting mascob.

(01:32:46):
That's a job house. You're seven tall. If you didn't
get dunked on, you got out of the way, then
you didn't do your job. You got dunked and you
did your job. I mean, you should have blocked shot
and you look really foolish, but you did your job.
So I just watched the video. What happened was he
was whole lean the ball dribbled forward, then step back
and then So that's why I when ty Lou did
he step on did he step on tarn lose foot

(01:33:09):
or did tarn Lou just legitimately fall down, because because
he legitimately fell down. Yeah, and it was in the
finals and he got stepped over, I'm not nasty and
I'm actually okay with the stepping over, Like I don't Yes,
is that trash talk? Yeah, but you know what, it's
also basketball, Like trash talk is a part of basketball.
It's hard to tell. I guess there's a chance that

(01:33:30):
maybe he stepped on his I think he stepped on
his foot, like guys don't just fall down like this, Yes, Romos,
but I thought for most of that series with the
Lakers won in five games, by the way, like nobody remembers,
like remember the Lakers one, it blew him out. The
next four games in a row, including two in Philadelphia,
Tyrone Lou pretty much shut down. That was what the
problem was. Like he was shutting down Iverson, and so

(01:33:51):
Iverson made that shot at whatever and got upset and
like Hey, you can't shut me down, like, well, I
just did for most of the game and for the
rest of the series. Basically, let's looks stats NBA in
two thousand one NBA Finals. What do you think he
shot from the floor? Iverson in the series? In the series, Uh,

(01:34:12):
let's see here. Allen Iverson in that series shot sixty
six for one sixty two. He shot sixty six for
one sixty two. That's not good. No, it's not not ideal, um,
not ideal. From three point range, he was eleven for

(01:34:37):
thirty nine, so he's below He's like from three point range,
he was like, what high thirties from the field. From
the field from three point range? He averaged three point
eight assists and five games twelve turnovers, so about just
over two and a quarter turnovers a game. Yeah, it

(01:34:59):
was not great. Yeah, Shack in that series just you know,
and look, it was a talent complete mismatch, right right, Um,
Shack average thirty three and sixteen in that series. So
one thing about Kobe is like, I remember when we
used to have the Kobe Jordan's discussions. Can somebody tell

(01:35:21):
me the Kobe NBA Finals moment? Like Jordan, I have
a bunch of them, right. I have the up and
under against the Lakers. I got the six threes in
the first half against the Trailblazers. I have the final
shot against the Jazz. I have the flu game against
the Jazz the previous year. I have a bunch of
different Jordan's NBA Finals moments. I don't have any of

(01:35:42):
those with Kobe and Frankly, I don't have a ton
of them with Lebron. Drew Rosen is gonna join us
up coming next, we'll ask him about this really interesting
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(01:37:33):
you know their name, right, Like there's a lot a
lot of NFL agents. There's a lot of NBA agents,
but it's like five that you know their name. They're
like the synonymous with sports. Trew Rosenhound is one of
those guys in the National Football Leagues kind of have
to spend some time with us and Drew, thanks so much.
I I wanted to ask you about Gronks new deal
which was announced yesterday that was restructured. It's interesting because

(01:37:54):
it's very much performance based. Um, take me through kind
of the the reason that you guys came to this conclusion. Well, Um,
number one, you got to give credit to the Patriots
for doing something creative. You know, Patriots are just a
special organization and for years they've been out smarting the competition.

(01:38:22):
And Bill Belichick is UH just an exceptional person to
run a football team, which he really does, and so
he and Nicossaria Mr Kraft Nicossario's basically what I would
consider to be the head of football operations. They're really professional,
they're really smart, and they're creative, so they you know,

(01:38:43):
last before the season, we spent quite a bit of
time lobbying to get an extension for Rob and UH
with four years left on his deal, it just it
wasn't in the cards. So unfortunately for Rob, he got
injured this year and UH ended the season on injured

(01:39:07):
reserve back surgery. So it was help timing not only
for for him the player, the team, the organization, but
obviously for our projected negotiations. So of course, coming off
of the surgery, it was not the time to do

(01:39:27):
a long term contract extension or traditional contract extension. So instead,
what we focused on was a solid compromise for both sides,
which involves an incentive package and it is based on performance.
And it's a win win because if Rob plays, if

(01:39:51):
Rob's healthy, basically he's going to become, in my opinion,
the NFL highest paid tight end for the season. And
it's a win for war New England Patriots because they're
paying a guy for special production. You know, when Rob selfie,
he's phenomenal, So it really was a win win. I

(01:40:13):
take my hat off to the Patriots. Rob is very
appreciative of Mr Kraft and Coach Belichick for putting this
deal together. They didn't have to do it. You know,
this is a world class organization and there's a reason
that they win so many Super Bowls. It's not like
every team in the league we'd be able to figure

(01:40:35):
something like this out. I mean, and kudos to the
Patriots again, I guess true. Then the follow up questions
are as such. It's there is a substantial amount of
risk though for Rob right, and he is a guy.
He is a guy who has been hurt. That's the
second back surgery. Going back to college. He's had the
knee surgery, he had the multiple kind of forearm surgeries,

(01:40:57):
and so yeah, if it all works out, he's gonna
be getting paid more than Jimmy Graham, and he should.
He's better than Jimmy Graham when when he's healthy. But
what about the idea that, like, you know, UH, they
might want to shut him down at the first side
of injury because of his injury past. They also are
really good and might want to shut him down to
save him for the playoffs that could hurt his numbers.

(01:41:19):
And then it's it's all the lingering injury issues, like
there is a downside to it. How much of that
should he be cautious of? Well, but there is no
He asked if there's a risk, and there isn't a
risk because Rob hasn't given anything up. They're just adding
this to his contract. So Rob's contract stays exactly the same,

(01:41:45):
except that they're adding these incentives. And the way we
structured the incentives with the team, UH credits to the
team is if Rob hits a playtime, he gets it,
or if he hits touchdowns, he gets it, or if
he has a certain amount of catches he gets it,
or if he has a certain amount of yard and

(01:42:05):
he gets it, or if he makes all pro he
gets it. So you make a lot of good points, Doug,
that there are scenarios that would limit Rob from getting them.
But that's why we have so many different possibilities for
him to get there. You know, if Rob has a
Rob gron Casti season and is shut down for one game,

(01:42:29):
which typically if you study the Patriots, um, you know,
they're usually in PLAYFF contention. Right, they're over under this year,
they're under they're over under this year's thirteen and a half. Like,
I don't know if they'll hit that, but you know,
we'll see if the Dolphins can get up off the mat.
We'll see what happens with the bills of the new

(01:42:49):
coaching staff. But the division isn't strong, and their their
schedules actually feels a little bit weak, and they've added
some great they're going for it for the next couple
of years while Brady is still Brady. Uh So it's like, yeah,
they could they could very easily win their first thirteen
and then start shutting guys down periodically. You know, I
think that's a possibility, um, you know, and that's why

(01:43:10):
We've got a multi layer tears for rob and and
even if he does shut get shut down. But he's
healthy and he has a big season. It's our revision,
not Rob not making all. You know. You've got robbing
greg Olson. Greg was first team All Pro last year.
Kelsey was first team All Pro. But it's not like

(01:43:33):
you know, there's a litany of tight ends that are
in contention for All Pro outd is the three guys
that I mentioned at the top of the Yeah. Here,
here's here's another thing I had for you, Drew that
I just wondered. Um, the NFL is ever changing in
terms of the importance of an individual position. And I
know that the Patriots won the Super Bowl without Grounk,

(01:43:55):
But if you ask anybody who plays against them, coached
against them, or broadcasting games, like he's arguably the most
difficult matchup in football. You renegotiate Antonio Brown's deal like, Look,
AB's one of the elite wide receivers in football, But
why is the scale still so much different for wide
receivers as opposed to tight ends. Tight ends help me
more in the run game. They're really hard matchups. Uh,

(01:44:18):
you have to double team a much the way you
have to double team a big time wide receiver. Why
is a guy who does these deals? Is there such
a disparity between a Gronk and Antonio Brown in terms
of wide receiver to tight end? Oh, it's uh, it's
a very it's it's a very difficult question to answer

(01:44:39):
because we negotiated a deal for Antonio that made him
the league's high paid wide receiver at seventeen million a
year and really eighteen and a half per year in
the first three years of his deal, while if Rob
Steele comes through, he's gonna become the highest paid tight
end at ten and a asks. So, yeah, that is

(01:45:02):
a huge disparity. And uh, you know, if you can
make the same question, why do corners make so much
more than safeties? Why do you left tackles make so
much more than right tackles? Right? Why do you why
do outside linebackers who rushed the quarterback make much more
than to consummate inside linebackers. It's just there are dichotomies

(01:45:24):
in our league that are difficult to explain. And you know,
my hope is that with guys like Gronkowski and all
sin and and players who transcend their position, Uh, that
you start to see that gap narrow, because there really
isn't a good explanation for the The other thing that
I find interesting is that the two deals that I'm
talking about, you've done with the Steelers, who have a

(01:45:47):
reputation as being a bit frugal, right that they've allowed
guys to walk out the door. They renegotiate with Antonio Brown,
and it wasn't the warmest of feelings in terms of
some of the stuff how the season ended with a
B and with Gronk. With with the Matriots, a team
that in the past, if you rebuffed a contract offering,
usually it was more later on in their career than
where Rob is. They've been somebody that, hey, you don't

(01:46:09):
want to do the Patriot way, be gone with you.
How difficult it has that been for you to navigate
the minefield of franchises that want to kind of stick
to the philosophy of we gotta pay everybody, not just
a couple of guys, but you have a couple of
the elite guys who need to get paid. Doug, that's again,
good dog, that's good insight by you. But the reality

(01:46:33):
is that the credit goes to the great players. You know,
Antonio Brown is one of the all time great wide receivers.
I think it's safe to say at this stage of
his career, and arguably Rob's the greatest tight end that
ever ever played the game when healthy. So you know
that that is the credit to the players and to
the organizations. And I'm just doing my job, you know.

(01:46:57):
But you you're you're right when you've identified some of
the history of these teams, and they're they're very, very
successful franchises, two of the most successful. And in fact,
they played for the right to go to the Super
Bowl this year and and they probably will again this
year and uh so uh and frankly, I think their

(01:47:19):
success um is reflecting on how they treated, respectively, two
spectacular generational type players. You know, guys like Abing Gronk
don't come around very often, and fortunately for them, we're
dealing with classy organizations that recognize that the credit goes

(01:47:41):
to the clients and to the organizations. Now, I'm glad
you guys got that done. So we see our favorite
football players on their on their on their current football teams.
They don't sit out of stuff and it doesn't get contentious. Drew,
congrats on getting the Grount deal done and appreciate you
join us on Fox Sports Radio, Doug. It was a
good interview. Appreciate your professionalism. Good. I shouldn't have a
nice chapter now, all right, Thanks for Drew Rosenhouse complimenting

(01:48:03):
the interview. That's I don't that was interesting how that
that went. Blessing a little bit. It made a friend.
I just I find it fascinating though. The the the
tight ends wide receiver's deal is one of those there's
a classic statement we always say, like that's because his
talent has always been done, Like why bruggs just as

(01:48:25):
important as any elite wide receiver. And yet he's gonna
make nice even if he makes all of his incentives,
he'll make eight point to five million dollars less than
Antonio Brown. That strikes me as crazy, Sam Amick around
the corner, Chris Paul to San Antonio, How how possible?
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having a good day today. Drew Rosenhel said, I was
true the professional great interview. We're gonna put that on
the reel. I would be on a re joint at

(01:49:20):
some point. Uh. Magic said this earlier today. This is interesting.
Brandon Ingram is the only untouchable player on the Lakers roster. Quote.
I would say probably the only player that we would say, hey,
we'd probably not move his Brandon Ingram. I think we're
excited about Brandon his length, his size, his agility, is athleticism,
and when you think about it, you know he was

(01:49:42):
a baby coming in and his first the first year.
Last season, we see that he has a really high
season ceiling and we're excited about it what we can
possibly turn him into. Of course, the average nine and
a half points four rebounds to assist in point eight
minutes over seventy nine games, that is not good news

(01:50:03):
if you're D'Angelo russell um, I don't I mean Julius
Randall like, I don't think that that surprises anybody. And
I think that's some pretty honest, real talk from Magic Johnson. Right, Hey,
we're open for business. Do you want to talk trade?
You want to move some of these guys, call us

(01:50:24):
just don't call us bet Ingram what you feel like,
he's probably untouchable and like and he probably untouched. It
was like, what does that mean? No chance? Well, I
didn't say that. You know, everybody has a value, but
Magic Johnson's evaluation. There's a lot going into the D'Angelo
Russell thing as the number two picked from the previous year,

(01:50:45):
and why he didn't mention it. The performance hasn't been
great the off the court, that guy likes l a
a little bit too much. You know, I I would
just be told I I'm honestly, I was a little
fooled by DeAngelo Russell. I thought there were parts of
his game which reminded me of Harden. There are parts
of his game that reminded me of Steph And when
I called his games in the NBA Summer League, I

(01:51:07):
did some NBA TV where two years ago his first year,
I put a turn up the headsets and I said,
he doesn't have when you saw him in person NBA game.
There's things, there are things. There are wow plays that
he made then that he made in college. But it's
the simple fundamental plays that he's not a point guard
now I'd be fascinating to see him as an off

(01:51:28):
guard if he's with Alonzo and Flonzo could make him
that much better. But there's just some you know, athletically,
he doesn't. He doesn't put anybody in their heels. So
is he a guy that you believe if gets a
fresh start at someplace else, could do something more? Or
is he stuck in a is he stuck being just
the guy you said it doesn't have it no matter
where he when I say, don't it doesn't have it.

(01:51:50):
It's it's not fair, Like I don't think he's like
out of the league, terrible your number two pick? Are you?
Are you well? Are you a starter? Potential All Star?
And I would I would be. I would be stunned
to peas and all star? Um could he be a starter? Yeah,
on a playoff team? Maybe maybe? Now, look, if you

(01:52:13):
everybody looks better based upon how you slap them. So
let's just say in two years, you have Lonzo Ball
in a second year, he'd be in his uh fourth year,
Ingram in his third year. You put Paul George on
the team, like that's a good team. You know that's
a good team. Or even bring Randall off the and

(01:52:34):
you bring Randall off the bench if you don't move him, Like,
is Julius Randall a starting powerful in the playoff team? No?
Could he be an eighth man? Sure? Could D'Angel Russell
be your fifth best starter? Okay, maybe you know Jordan
Clarkson is the starters. Dot great Jordan Clarkson as a
guard off the bench, just come in and score, Like, hey,
you can play. You can do that. He's not giving

(01:52:55):
me Lou Williams, but he could have some Lou Williams
characteristics to him, so uh, you know, but when you
get to the higher level of competition, like and the
other problem with Russell is going to be that some
of the bad habits he has or he hasn't been

(01:53:15):
able to eliminate because they've played him so much right away,
and they've played him in a role that's not his
true role when he when he gets deep into the NBA.
Here's what I mean like for him to play in
the NBA, he has to play both positions. He has
to shoot a higher percentage, but he has to do
so with lower volume shots. Has got to be a

(01:53:36):
better defender when you're the when you're playing point guard
and you're a rookie. Like a lot of those things
that you don't do, they don't call you on. They
let you kind of get away with it because well,
you know, you're scoring, trying to score twenty a game.
That won't be his role. If the Lakers ever get
really good, we'll search for Sam a Mick. But if

(01:53:58):
we don't get him, no, no odell at o t
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you my thoughts up coming next ready, promos three to

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one coming up. It's like, yeah, coming up next in
the Dug Got Leave Show. Come up today in the
Dug Gotleap Show. I'm all in on the NBA Finals
and we'll continue mhm, coming up next, Sorry, we're all
in on the NBA Finals. Warriors Calves, Warriors Calves Part three?

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Well k d get his first ring? Or do we
start to talk about Lebron and Jordan's yet again? The bench?
The coach is Steve kers back? So much to get
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Fox Sports Radio. I'll recap that Richard Sherman article on
ESPN The mag Momentarily, Michael Bennett came out and defended
his quarterback Russell Wilson. Afterwards, quickly though, as many stories
as we can get to in five minutes, Let's challenge
deb Carson five and five minutes, six and five minutes,

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here's the press, the press that what he got for.
Let's go with Odell Beckham Jr. Who's been in the
news a lot this week, of course, signed the Monster
deal with Nike, worked out with Johnny Manzel. But Beckham
a no show at Giants voluntary o t A s
this week, and when asked whether he would be at

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any of the remaining seven O t a s said,
I love my team, I'm excited about the season, but
offered a no comment on his plans for the rest
of the voluntary workouts. Um, look, do I think he
should be there? Sure when he signed the biggest Nike
contract in the history of the sport for a wide receiver, Yeah,
he should be there. Do I think this is a

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game changer for the Giants? Not particularly They're running the
same offense they've run now for three years. He's really
good within that offense. And the thing with Odell Beckham Jr.
Is it's here's, here's the here's the kind of the
backup to why you should be there. The only thing
he's lacking his maturity, right, and it would be more
mature to be there. But it's not like he's not

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working on his game, working with trainers. The pop up
pictures with Johnny Manzel throwing to him that that's kind
of a weird look, but he is working. There's a
video of him. Nick Right tweeted out where Chris Carter
was giving him some tips. He's clearly working with good people.
But I just you know, go to New York, show up.
That's what happened. When you're a superstar, you have to
do some of these little things. That's the maturity that

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he's been so desperately missing. Right, Another guy who was
a no show defensive and Olivier Vernon, who of course,
got a big, big deal over the off season. One guy,
by the way, who was at Giants O T a s.
Was receiver Brandon Marshall. And gentlemen, ladies, this is called
nipping a situation in the bud. How you guys doing.
My name is Brandon Marshall, new wide receiver for the

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New York Football Giants. Let's get the business out the way.
I see some of the old jets on the beat
writers here Sheldon Richardson question, go ahead, open up right
to the punch, ladies and gentlemen, of course, talking about
the comments that Sheldon Richardson made earlier this week about
how the locker room was a lot easier with those

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fifteen reasons his jersey number being gone. But but Marshall
did go on to say, I'm not a perfect guy.
A lot of my career has been rough. I did
a lot of it myself. But I've worked really hard
to be a better person and work extremely hard to
be a better teammate, father and husband. I like Brandon Marshall.
He's somebody who, like the rest of us, we have flaws,
and he's been a big proponent of mental health care's.

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He had multiple personality disorder that he continues to deal with.
But like you said, like he ain't an easy guy,
and I'll be fascinating to see how it works with
the Giants, because, uh Eli, I don't think Eli is
as good as his reputation to shup bowl rings would
tell you. Like, he's more later stages in his career
than would lead you to believe. And so there'll be

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sometimes when Eli doesn't play well and Eli had it
was really gun shy last year, got rid of the
ball quicker than anybody outside of Sam Bradford because of
his bad offensive line. I just I'll be interested to
see how he handles adversity, especially in that white hot
spotlight of the New York media market with the Giants,
because the Giants are bigger in that market than the Jets.
The Jets are the ugly step child. The Giants are

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that market. And as much as he's been polarizing, it's
different being polarizing with the Jets as opposed to the
Giants competitive as hell, and the Giants known for being
more of a no nonsense organization. Also, by the way,
taking responsibility for his actions in the past. Jim Harbaugh
when he was forty Niners head coach. Back in there

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was a famous handshake non handshake with Lions coach Jim Schwartz. Harbaugh,
taking responsibility now six years later, admitting that he was
in the wrong, says he went in too hard on that,
too aggressive on the handshake. He says he and Schwartz
have talked their friends and they're all good. Well, if
you play that competitive as hell, like, look, they're competitors.

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Is after a game, Jim Harbaugh is awkward, right like
he is. It's and he's been able to play up
this awkwardness and it works in college. It's really hard
in the pros. But like, dude, he's an awkward like
he wears eight dollar khakis and sneakers and a whistle
around his neck, and he's making nine million dollars. So
and he drinks Fair Life milk, so you know milk

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the cow. The other day Michael Bowl make a friend
for life. So yeah, I mean, it's not stunning that
it was an awkward handshake, because most everything with Jim
Harbaugh is a little bit awkward. Happy as hell also awkward.
And add for Dick Sporting Goods, which said head to
the Finals. After the Cavaliers took a three one seriously

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over Boston Oops. Dick Sporting Goods posting the headed to
the Finals shop now with NBA Finals merchandise for the
Cavaliers on their Dick Sporting Goods site. Yeah, a little bit,
a little bit, a little premature, but it's not like
we're sending all that gear to some third world country
just year. Not yet and uh and Doug finally hops here.

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A lot of excuses for d Uise, but police in
New Zealand got a new one recently. Um a New
Zealand Lynn, a New Zealand cricket player, said he was
rushing home to console his girlfriend over a dead bird.
The cricketer was attending a social function when his distraught
girlfriend called said their pet cockatoo was killed by some

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dogs they were watching for a friend. So rather than
take a taxi, he jumped in the car with a
blood alcohol level reading more than three times the legal limit.
See that story doesn't make sense to anybody unless there
they blow three times the legal limit. Right. The other
thing is, if you know, if it happened the States

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would be more believable because nobody could understand his New
Zealand accent right, like maybe do you say a bird
and a dog that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you're
still going right to jail and that and that's the press.
I do think Cleveland closes it out. I'm fascinated to
see how Lebron comes out in terms of his own
personal focus. Boston Garden has been a place that he

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has consistently stuck the dagger in the heart of the Celtics.
I like, how many series can you go back to
in Miami where they would run into Boston and he
would just take the life out of the place. It's
just weird how places, how things like that work. And
then I think Lebron has a very very good night.

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He he. He still had that nobody's home kind of
out to lunch sort of look early in Game four,
but he seemed to Kyrie helped him regain his confidence.
He's one of those guys I think we're seeing now
why so many of his teammates like, gotta be confidence,
gotta be confidence. It helps him kind of snap out
of it. As for the ESPN article about Richard Sherman,

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what I told you to start the show is what
I really feel. What what saves you as a kid
will kill you as an adult. What made Richard Sherman
make himself into one of the great football players in
the game is killing him in as a prom His
jealousy of the attention Russell Wilson gets, even though he
gets and his defense gets so much adulation, is tearing

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apart to this team and ultimately will that to him
being sent out of Seattle this season or next. I
think we'll have the finals decided tomorrow. This is the
doug Outlip Show.

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