Doug Is The Perfect Age To Settle The Bulls vs Warriors Debate

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this series is over that is o v Hey, But
I think you know what what we mean here. I
believe that I am the perfect age for this argument
because now the Warriors and we we do this flip
flop thing, which is just insane, but of course it's

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what we do, right Sports radio, Sports talk. Uh, it's
almost summer, which means we're looking for things to kind
of drag up. Like there's this top hundred NFL list,
which is just ridiculous, right, Like Andrew Luck was fifty
feet on the top hundred list. As this any list

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that has Andrew Luck as the fifty first best player
in the National Football League, it's the list ceased to
be valid because you're just like we told you, you're
worth what somebody is willing to pay you. He's the
highest paid player in the NFL. You're also worth where
somebody would draft you. And if you were to redraft
players in the NFL, he might not go first, probably

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Aaron Rodgers. He might not go second. You still might
take Tom Brady. He'd probably go third or right there.
In the discussion of the top five. Can't be fifty first,
even though he's had to fairly subpar years, considering he's
starting to enter a new front. But this is what
we do. We have these lists or comparisons, and so
we've we we for a while there, and I want

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to get into this a little bit later. We had
Kobe and the Jordan discussion. And now Kobe maybe because
he got hurt and he was bad when he played,
and he was over the hill and he made too
much money. I don't know what it is. But suddenly
Kobe has completely disappeared from the Jordan discussion and it
was Lebron. Now that discussion has gone away, and what's
reappeared is Bulls nine six seventy to win championship. Bulls

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versus these Warriors, the only one sixties seven games, won
seventy three last year within the game of winning a
championship last year recomprised this year, and so far they
have lost narry a game in the NBA playoffs. You
like how he used nary a game, And so I'm
left with this uh desire to lay out the facts

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as I don't think them know them. It's it's an
argument that to which they will never ever ever be
any sort of proof or win. Right, this is You're
not gonna win this. This is the abortion argument of sports.
Comparing teams of a different era. You're not winning the argument.

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It's like it's like good luck being the first person
ever to win the abortion argument, now winning it. But
we're gonna have it anyway because people lack what I have,
which you only have at this specific time in your life.

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There's a continuum, right in anything you do, Like in
sports for athletes, there's a continuum from I'd say probably
twenty to four that is your peak athleticism. You are
in your pra I do when I was twenty four
years old and I was playing Israel, like we go
through lamp lines and I'm dunking, and I'm like, this

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is crazy, it's crazy. I first dunked when I was
eighteen years old. One hand, it was I wasn't throwing in,
grabbed the rim, and I progressively got better, and then
I was like, yamming. When you get to like thirty
as an as an athlete, you're super smart. You've seen
it all and everything is slow. In that space between

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twenty four and thirty in the continue, that's when every
that's when athleticism and athletic intelligence are at just the
right window. Some some people's window is a little bit wider.
Lebron is what thirty two now, so he's more efficient,
he's smarter, he still has some of the athleticism, although
not the freak that he was when he first entered

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the league. Like there's but he's also developed power and
strength that he didn't have when he's two, although he's
for for his age, who was very strong Kevin Durant
twenty years old in his athletic prime, and also because
he's lived some He's been in an NBA finals, he's
lost a series they should have won, like last year.

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He's played different positions with different people, he has different
he's in the perfect window, right, That's where I am
in my life with this argument, like I'm not my
mom is way too nostalgic. Everything becomes a story about
what used to be right, and that's okay. She's seventy

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one years old. When you get to be seventy one,
you two would be nostalgic. Like you know, once you
get to fifty everything with everything was better way back when,
when you're a millennial, everything is better now. And there
are a lot of things that are better now, like
the fact that I can go to Zappos and press sent.

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It's like at my house the next the next day,
and if I don't like him, put it back in
the box, leave it on the leave it on the stoop,
and guess what it goes back. You're like, wow, I
mean it is going to basically make malls the land
of the Lost, right, No one's gonna go to a
mall anymore. We can get movies directly to any of

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our devices, and in many ways, some of these shows,
like Netflix shows are better than network TV. On the
other hand, because I am at the perfect time for
that discussion, like I was alive through the Cosby Show.
Eras like Bill Cosby on trial for sexual assault. Right,
but like if you weren't alive during the Couseby, you

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don't understand the conflict we're all kind of going through, Right,
Ramos is the right age for this discussion, Like you
had to understand this was a groundbreaking show. You had
an all African American cast and it was instead of

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you know, previously you had Stanford and Son and um
that was a junk dealer. Right, this was a Mr
Huxtable when he was a doctor, like a black doctor
with a family and a wife, like he was that.
He was like America's warm, loving doctor and now like
he's being accused of these awful crimes. You're like, wow,

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this is really conflicting everything I was taught as a kid. Plus,
like NBC, you know, they're coming back with his musty TV.
But it used to be musty TV, like we used
to get like Thursday night, you know where I'm watching.
Now people are like Monday night, I'm watching the bachel
threat I watched the Bachelorette last night. You want to
talk about something that it's just awful TV, just terrible

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Bachelor better because it's more realistic with the fight over
the dudes and the guys fight over, like come on, man,
guys were like you got that, you know whatever, bummed,
But you know I'm in the perfect Like we had

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Mike Tyson on last week, and I'm old enough to
remember when everyone was scared of Mike Tyson and that
you used to sit down and when Mike Tyson was
fighting fighting, you would watch and it might have been
over in thirty seconds. And it wasn't perfect in terms
of style, but like you saw the entire Tyson thing,
like you can't if you are thirty years old. You

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don't understand Mike Tyson. You don't understand what was like
like like that, you don't remember what it was like
when MTV actually had music videos and Michael Jackson Thriller
came on. It was like a fifteen minute video that
you stopped what you were doing. On the other hand,
you're not so nostalgic that you don't respect the way

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things are done now. I remember, for example, like my
dad he just he missed the perfect curve and that
he couldn't play video games with us like we were
when Supernintendo. When Nintendo came out and first to start
with Mario Brothers and then you worked on too what contra.

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Then you have the cheat codes A B B A
up down, up, down, left, right, left right right. When
you get or you get the multiple, you get the
unlimited line lives with Super Mario Brothers. And then you
have your dad sit down and play with you, and
he couldn't like figure out the control. You're like, dude,
this is not that hard. You have two degrees. What's
going on? Like, I'm not at that point in my
life yet, Like, I still like technology. I still know

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how to use a cell phone. I don't to play
video games with my kids. I'm still young enough and
athletic enough to play. So I'm like getting this perfect one.
So when people compare the Bulls of and like I
couldn't compete with the Warriors, I actually have a reasonable
perspective on it. Huh. Nowadays you need to be versatile

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on both offense and defense, right, That's like the whole thing.
That's that's what makes the war your special is that
Draymond Green is their center at times, but he can
also come out and play small forward, and Kevin Durant
can play kind of any position on the floor, and
you have to be able to guard them with that
same sort of flexibility. Well that's good because I'm old
enough to remember Bulls had Ron Harper, who was a

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versatile defender, Scottie Pippett versatile, incredible defender, Michael Jordan's versatile,
incredible defender, Dennis Rodman, who everybody thinks of. Like the
last thing you think of with Dennis Rodman is the
piercings and the dies and just getting rebounds and you know,
wearing a dress and married a Karmen Electra for a

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while like freak show, right. But what people forget is
during the prime of his NBA career, he was not
only intimidator and a rebounder, he was also one of
the elite defenders in the history of the NBA, going
back to his two championships with the Pistons, could guard
at a position like Tony Coo. Coach was probably a
little bit ahead of his time. Would fit in better
now with how they play then he did. Then that

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was there, that would be their five. But I'm also
reasonable and not reasonable to know the games officiated differently.
These players grew up shooting three point shot there. But
but I have the perspective to understand that just because
former NBA players didn't shoot three point shots with as
much volume doesn't mean they couldn't. It's like you ask

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any guy there. When I was in my twenties, people
would joke because I get married four years old, and
you know, guys would joke like, oh, your next wife,
you know what you do? You like cut your age
in half and had five That just sounds like now
it sounds miserable to That sounds miserable to me the guys,

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that's miserable to me. Alright, Like my wife, like, that's
it's the exact age to which she has. She's she's
had kids, she's got a college, she's lived a life,
she's lived in parts of the world, like we can
actually have reasonable arguments. Again, there are arguments she ain't goin.
I ain't gonna win, just like the bulls argument or
the warrior's argument. You're not gonna but yeah, I'm never

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gonna an argument wife, that's like not actually gonna. But
the point is that you ask any guy who's like
in thirty five to forty even fifty, like forget which
kind of woman would you like dream of one night with?
What type of one would you actually like to have
dinner and have a conversation with and be around and

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they'll be like, Oh, it's the perfect age. And the
same thing with guys, and the same thing with this argument.
I'm not trying to dismiss you as being twenty five
and not knowing anything, but you're twenty five and you
do really don't know anything. You see Michael Jordan's in Highlights.
We saw Michael Jordan's who just didn't have the ability

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to let his team lose the way that Lebron had
the ability to let his team lose. And so when
people say, hey, you the comparison those old Bulls, they
couldn't guard these Warriors like, well, actually, having lived it,
haven't seen it understanding how that team was put together.

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There isn't another team historically that could match up with
the type of versatility and athleticism. There's are the angular
angles to this argument I want to get into and
why I think the even though it's an unwinnable argument,
the Bulls could be would be really interesting against these Warriors.
But up next, can the Warriors be beaten for the

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next five times by the Calves. Let's ask a guy
who lost to the Warriors in the playoffs in both
the past two seasons. Last year put up more of
a fight than this year. He's the head coach of
the Portland Trailblazers. He's Terry Stotts. He joins us. Next,

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surprising season as they had to rework their roster around
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this year good, but there's still that sense that really
good backcourt trying to figure out how to continue to
mold the front court. Last two years they've lost the

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Warriors in the playoffs and their head coach, Terry Stott's
kind of have to spend some time of this year
on the Doug Gottlieb show coach, how are you? I'm
doing well, Doug, how are you doing good? Um? Alright,
just from a like a former player, current coach, longtime assistant,
your perspective, what's your rea action to the first two
NBA Finals games. Well, it's probably a very similar to

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the last year. Uh, you know Golden State where the
defending champions they came in and one convincingly in their
first two games. I'm sure everybody last year at this
time was wondering if it's going to be a sweep
as well. So, um, I do think this year has
a little bit of a different feel to it. Um.
Golden State looks very focused. Uh, probably in a large

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part of what happened last season. Obviously, Kevin Durant is
a is a big difference maker. But uh, you like
the way I really like the way Golden States playing.
But Cleveland coming home there is a home court advantage.
It should be interesting games coming up, all right. Let's uh,
let's in terms of of trying to trying to kind

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of change the momentum. Um, boy, it feels like it
feels like the first half you know they're they're playing
with them really well that that Cleveland's pushing the basketball,
Lebron going downhill in transition at hacking. But it feels
like they get to a point in the third quarter
and le Bron gets tired and stops driving and starts
shooting jump shots, and Kyrie is missing finishes that he
normally makes because of fatigue. And they don't really have

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a third option in terms of a shot creator. Even
though Kevin loves put up good numbers, he needs somebody
else create shots for him. How do you like, you've
been in all those locker review in the NBA finals before?
How do you how do you adjust to that? If
you're the Calves and you're coming home? Well, you know,
I think it's difficult coaching or giving advice for another team.
I do think playing the Warriors, having played them in

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the playoffs, uh, scoring is scoring is important. I think
you have to score at least ten to have a chance.
The way they can put numbers on you and put
up put it quickly. Um. You know, the way we
felt when we played them is certainly we played them
well last year in the playoffs and your scores have
to score, but they also have to set up people

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and they got to make shots as well. Um, you're
not gonna to score. How intend you need uh an
effort from a lot of different people, not just uh
two guys or three guys. Um, you know, passing the ball.
I think as as great as Golden State can score
the ball, they're passing their ball movement uh leads to
great shots. I think, uh to you kind of have

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to give them some of their own medicine. I do
think you have to score and transition because easy points
come at a premium, especially against a good defensive team
like Golden State is, So it's it's not an easy job.
The biggest I think the biggest challenge anybody playing Golden
State is the runs that they can put on you.
You have to be able to weather those and not

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get flustered and be able to kind of sustain some
type of confidence during those runs and then make because
of the way they play, you'll be able to get
back into it. But uh, it's it's a challenge. Believe me,
having played them two years in a row in the playoffs.
I mentioned uh in in the open to my show
The Bulls in it, I feel like because I'm old

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enough to have watched you coach against the Bulls and
play frankly against the kind of the early stage of
the Bulls. Like there are people that are going to
dismiss the great Bulls team and try and compare the two,
be like, well, you know, they couldn't guard these guys,
And I was like, well, you know, like I don't
know Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, uh, Tony Coo, coach,
Michael Jordan. They're not only good defenders, they're kind of versatile.

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You have lived, coach played in both eras. It's really
the league is so different, the officiating is so different.
But what's your sense of of the different styles of
basketball and how competitive like the seventy two in Bulls
would be against this type of Warriors team. Uh, you know,

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I think I think it's a great matchup. You know,
the thing with Golden States starts Petulia and in Chicago
started Luke Longley, and uh those two would probably cancel
each other out, but you'd end up being Dennis Robin
playing playing center and co coach would be out there
a lot and have a lot of guys playing forty minutes. Um,

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I think Golden States bench is uh is really effective. Um,
you know in the playoffs. The there's a tendency to
shorten the rotation. If you look in and see how
many minutes. Uh, those guys played in Chicago. They played
a lot of minutes in the playoffs. I think defensively,
you're talking as you mentioned Harper, Pip and Jordan's, uh,

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we're outstanding defensively. Obviously Rodman was outstanding defensively. So you
know it'd be like, uh, uh, well, you you probably
remember the game of the Century Oklahoma versus Nebraska in
one Immovable Force in the Unstoppable Objects or whatever it was.
I think you'd have two very contrasting styles. Um, that

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would be interesting. I it would be uh, it would
be a game worth watching, that's for sure watching. Are
we in a good as a former player? I mean
it's hard because you're a coach and your team plays
this style. You guys, you you have incredible guard playing
incredible shooting. But is this do you like the way
the league is going to? Where I mean you look
out there and Kevin Durants one center and on on

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one side, and you look on the other side and
Lebron's playing center. Is this Is this a good trend
for the NBA or do you believe there needs to
be some sort of manipulation of the rules in order
to to get the big guys more involved. I'm really
leary of of rule manipulation. I think I think the
game is in a really good place. I think it's
extremely skill oriented. Um uh, the whole you know. I've

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been on this for for a while now. When they
change the rules in two thousand one and and allowed
more freedom of movement and having to guard people, and
a simple rule like defensive three seconds has an impact
on the game and really opens it up. I've always been,
uh a big believer that basketball is a skill game,

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and you have players that have to be able to
do a lot of different things. They have to be
able dribble, pass, and shoot and and make plays. And
I think it's good for the game. Um. You know,
you can debate whether having a dominant team is good
for the league or not, you know, I think that's
up to other people to figure out. But I do
think having having the ability to score points and looking

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at the way Golden State plays, I think it's great
for the game. Going back to the Mike D'Antoni teams
in Phoenix, I thought that was great for the game
because it opened it up. They were hard to guard,
and uh, it was. It really emphasized skill and running
and athleticism, which is what I think basketball is really about.
Terry Stotts join us, he would have been if he played,
it would have been a center in the NBA, right,

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you would be. I've been, I've been hopefully I've been
a poor man's Ryan Anderson. Yeah, picking pop you, I
couldn't get them. Yeah, I couldn't. I know, I couldn't
be a center, but I could I could spot up.
I probably more like John Lure, John you know, but
John Leward played some center like you. Forget about how

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small some of these teams are playing. Joys. You're on
the on the Doug gotlip you mentioned whether or not
it's it's good. I guess my question is and and
maybe you have more insight. You know, there's been people
reached out on Twitter and some of your guys even, Hey,
Paul George, go to go to Portland. You guys you're
gonna win. Go to Portland's And I wonder if players

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will say, well, hell, like, look at the respect Katie's
getting because he joined a championship caliber team and now
he has the ability to show his skill or does
the and you know how the Collector Bartne agreement works.
It's just more financially beneficial for most of these guys
to stay with their current teams, sign with these ridiculous

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uh thirty million plus a year contracts so that they
never leave, but they won't be able to compete. How
do you think, just from your sense in the league,
how do you think these super teams affect many of
the upcoming free agents. Well, that's a good question. I
don't I don't know. Certainly, I like the fact that
there is incentive to stay with stay with your team,

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um to kind of even the playing field. The whole
idea of super teams has been around for a long time.
I think they were making trades and it wasn't done
through free agency. But uh, you look at um you know,
Cream and Worthy and Magic. Uh that's a super team
and Michael Bird and Parish that's a super team by

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today's terminology. Uh. But I do think it will have
an impact um on on players in their decision making.
As for you know, can I win a championship? Can
I get to the finals? Winning is important, but at
the end of the day, they're the financial consideration oftentimes
wins out. Yeah, I get that, but like, I don't know, Um,

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if the difference is for Chris Paul sounds like it
is a ton of money, right, But it's four years
versus five, So he would if he wanted to keep playing,
he admit he'd make some of that in the back end. Additionally,
like what is the value of competing for a championship?
On the other hand, you'd have to move your family,
uproot your family and change and there's no guarantee of

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a championship like it is. It's a It's a really
interesting discussion that I'm sure a lot of these players have,
aren't they Terry, Oh, I'm sure they are. And you know,
it's an individual you know, preference. You there have been
players in the past who have hooked on with teams,
uh in hopes of winning a championship. Sometimes they did,

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sometimes they didn't. Uh. There aren't any guarantees. But um, again,
I think it depends on where players are in their career. Uh.
You look at David West went to Santonio last year
and now he's with Golden State this year. You go
back to when Gary Payton and Karl Malone went with
the Lakers. So there with the with the mobility of

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players that they're able their freedom to to move from
one team to another. I think it's is how they
prioritize their life and their career. Last thing, Okay, you
can't take any of the Blazers. You can only take
these two teams. Um, if you you start your team,
do you do so right now? With Lebron or Durant?

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You know, I can't even answer that one. I don't
want I don't want to. You're not gonna wrote me
in on that one. Come on, you wouldn't know because
now we're having the discussion waiting. Maybe Durant's the best player.
I'm not allowed to comment on other players. Nobody's gonna
find you're not and they're not coming. Like listen, I

(25:37):
love you, and I know Rip City is a great
place play, but let's be honest, like Kadie and Lebron
is only they're coming to play for the Blazers. Ain't
time soon? Right? There's just with this one. I'd love
to have that as a as a legitimate question. I mean,
if that was a legitimate possibility, I would love to
have that problem all right, how about this one? This
this is maybe a more fair one. One thing that
you see that impresses you that maybe we all miss

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because we don't know the n B A like you
know the NBA from the series from this series. Um, well,
I think, uh, everybody is impressed with um, with Golden
State's offense. And I'm look, I'm not. It's not earth chattering.
They're they're a great offensive team. They're passing is unbelievable.

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They're extremely unselfish, and I think that's great for the game.
And I don't think, uh, you know, everybody talks about
defense wins championships. The one thing is probably underrated about
Golden State is how how much problems they cause defensively
because their ability to switch and guard versatile players, guard
multiple positions. So, um, you know, the offense is outstanding,

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but I think their defense, um gets lost because of
their switching in their individual defense and how good Draymond
Green is helps side that there they create problems that
at your offensive end to even try and score that
hundred and ten perfect perfectly. But I don't know if
you saw this, but the the point total or Game
two was more than like eight of the all Star

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Games since the three point shot came in, Like is
that it's it's it's it's the thing is it's crazy?
Well listen, uh, congrats another playoff season. We'll look to
see what your team does in the upcoming off season.
And thanks to the best of your ability, you answer
most of the questions and I really appreciate it. Well, thanks,
I always enjoyed talking with you. All right. That's Terry Stotts.

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all right. So yesterday we discussed a little bit about
the Seahawks and and in case you missed it, will
play it for you to second Pete Carroll with the
it's not you, it's me and how people are reading
this is really really interesting, um, and I think people
are misconstruing kind of some of the argument. Dan Buyer
is also a Seahawks fans. I want to Dan ask
ask you about this. So this from Pro Football Talk.

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As the Seahawks were considering Colin Kaepernick, we we Pro
Football Talk explored the possibility they might choose not to
sign him because they didn't want to risk a quarterback
competition developing with Russell Wilson. Now that the Seahawks have
decided not to sign Kaepernick, there's more talk they didn't
want him competing with Russell Wilson. Brock Heward, who, by
the way, brock Cured is as good as a color

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commentator as there is in football. He does Seahawks preseason,
he's great. He does college football regular season, he's great. Anyways,
former Seahawks quarterback quote. As much as Pete wants competition
every position, quarterbacks are different, and especially when you've got
a twenty million dollar quarterback, guy that you know is
your franchise, the guy you believe deeply, and it would

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have been too much, too much in locker room for
a quarterback that doesn't need that. Now, of course that
makes people think like oh oh oh kid gloves on
Russell Wilson. We don't want any competition for Russell Wilson.
Russell Wilson is soft if you can't take any competition.
Listen again to what Pete Carol said yesterday, kind of

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ramble a little bit, but then he gave this assume
it's Friday. He gave me it's not you, it's me
to Kaepernick, And really another opportunity for us to keep
abreast of what's available to help our team. And and and
we've done it in a million ways. John continues to
work in every at every turn to figure out what's available,
what we could do, and does it fit and it
does it not fit? And uh uh you know, Collins

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has been a fantastic football player and he's going to
continue to be. Um at this time, you know, we
didn't do anything with it, but uh we know where
he is and who he is, and we had a
chance to understand him much more so. Uh, he's a
starter in this league, you know. And and and uh um,
you know, I can't imagine that we we have a starter,
you know, but he's a starter in this league, and
I can't imagine that somebody won't give him a chance

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to play. It's the same reason that Chip Kelly is
not an assistant coach in the NFL or in college football.
Because Chip Kelly is no longer an assistant coach, He's
got to be a head coach, just is I got it? Sorry? Right?
And there's no head coaching jobs. There will be one eventually,
and Colin Kaepernick, like that doesn't That doesn't do you

(30:29):
any good. You need your starter to be playing with
supreme self confidence. The last thing you need is Koppernick
looking over your shoulder. The last thing you need is
Kaepernick answering questions about the flag and about what he's
gonna do and how that like this last thing you need.
I have no problem with it. Do I think they're
doing that? It's not you, it's me. Listen. We just

(30:50):
don't have a starting position available. But there are plenty
of people who haven't gotten jobs because they're overqualified for
the job, right, Like I mean, Ramos is wildly overqualified
for his job. But you know, like he got the
job because of his good looks. That's what That's really
what happened there. Buyer, do you have you're a Seahawks fan.

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Do you have an issue with acquiring as many assets
as possible? No, I don't have an issue with that.
Let me see me with not acquiring as many assets
impossible instead trying to get guys that the fit has
to be. Remember, this is how Russell Wilson got his
job because of a competition. Remember they signed Matt Flynn
and free agency. Flint wasn't his head and he he
had one game against I think the Detroit lines he

(31:36):
did for six hundred yards in the last game of
the season, and like he should send part of his check, right,
I mean, like, yeah, Core, But but he was a
free agent and they brought him in, and I think
that the the overall thinking was that Matt Flynn was
going to be the guy. That's why they brought him in.
It was a three year deal. But they didn't bring
him into be the backup to Russell Wilson. They had
a competition in camp and all of a sudden, Pete

(31:58):
Carroll realizes that Russell will and is this guy right,
But we're not. We're not in that position they have.
And I'm not arguing with I'm not. I'm just you know,
just saying, like for the fact of like, it's interesting
because that's what he preaches, and that's how like Russell
Wilson got his job. I completely agree. When you're paying
a guy, you're paying a guy a hundred million dollars, Okay,
he's going to have the job, right, Like like I mean,
the Colts aren't bringing him in, you know, like this

(32:21):
is this becomes well like oh, coaches talking about competition,
like there's no competition when you have a starting quarterback.
You don't have a quarterback competition in every uh in
every camp. Like nobody does that. We just create these
arguments because we're like, oh, well he fits there, and
Pete Carroll, let's guys, let's let's him be himself and
all that's like you just don't yeah, and you're right,
it's the one position that you don't you don't have

(32:44):
the competition for because you want your guy to have
extreme confidence. When I hear Pete Carroll say Colin Kaepernick
is a starter in this league and he says it
two or three times in this start on Friday, you
know what I'm thinking, Colin Kaepernick wanted starter money and
that's what it is. And that's and that's exactly and
I think that you're want to promise the competition and
Pete Carroll's like, now we're not you know, it's like, Okay,

(33:05):
I hear you, uh huh uh huh uh huh, and
he watch out and goes no chance. But if Russell
Wilson goes down, we could we could call and bring
him in then, right, Yeah. I don't think that there
was any any reason um to think that Colin Kaepernick
would have a shot at the starting job. And I
don't think that there's any reason for Pete Carroll to
want to throw Colin Kaepernick under the bus um considering

(33:26):
everything that goes around it. I think that Pete was
just diverting with his comments, trying to be distracting, saying no,
he's a starter. But I truly believe and I the
Seahawks were the only team of thirty two to bring
him in and they couldn't come to terms. And I
think that the money issue was the deal with Seattle.
I don't think it's with the other thirty one teams
or whatever teams could be looking for a quarterback. I

(33:46):
think money was the issue in Seattle. Okay, So you
think that the the kneeling, I don't think it's I
don't think it's solely the kneeling for the national anthem
of the protest. I think that's just part and parcel
to the hey, like, we don't really want to deal
with any of that with backups, I think, And with
that being said, Doug, I think that when you say that,

(34:08):
it then goes back to it, because it always goes
back for the thirty one teams, it goes back to
the kneeling. With the Seahawks. Apparently it came to money
because they at least brought him in. I'll we'll, we'll
agree to disagree. I think the kneeling has something to
do with it. I think the fact that he's uh
personality wise, has had some issues as a leader in

(34:29):
the past. I think also we're past the point of
he didn't he misevaluated the market where he stood in
the market, and by you know, by changing his deal
last year, by not going to Denver last year when
he could have for less money, by opting out of
his contract this year instead of making them cut him, like,
all these things led us to where we are. And

(34:50):
he was seen as a pay in the ass before
he ever kneeled, we've seen as a pay in the ass.
And then they add in the kneeling, and I don't
think I would agree with you. It does become an
issue for some of these teams. You can give us
your thoughts. Eight seven six nine, that's eight seven on Fox.
What are the chances of what You'll have to stay
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(35:18):
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(35:41):
this time, we like to reach into my bag of
goodies and find something to play with, at least something
that's family friendly. Let's uh, let's reach into my sack.
Let's reach into godly sack. Never buy what you find Anyboddy.
Let's see what are the chances we find something good with? Oh?

(36:03):
What are the chances? Probably? Let's start off with the
n b A. Lakers president Magic Johnson told an audience
at an American Express event, with pat Riley sitting next
to him, that his showtime Lakers would have swept this
Golden State Warriors team. Doug, what are the chances that
Lakers Showtime squad could have swept Golden State again, Like

(36:25):
I think people he said we're two, we're too big,
and the people think, well, I means creamy up the Jabar,
who I do think, would still score. But they forget
how big Magic was, how big Worthy was, how good
uh Byron Scott was. I don't know, like everybody's team
was the awesomest and everybody else's team sucked right like
your team was awesome Magic, The Pistons were awesome, the

(36:46):
Bulls were awesome, the Celtics were awesome, the Spurs were
awesome and more awesome than now is awesome. I do
think that if you want to make this case about
those Lakers, we all rave about the Warriors bench. Warriors
bench is not good in comparison to the old Lakers bench.
There were fewer teams in the league and there was
no salary cap, so you had like Bob McAdoo coming

(37:09):
off the bench for the Lakers, Michael Cooper, Michael Thompson,
like you had former All stars coming out the bench
closer to their prime than you have now. Uh. I
don't know if I do go sweep, but I don't
think this idea of what it's a rap because the
the these Warriors are dominating the current competition. It was

(37:31):
a almost a different sport back then. What are the chances?
What we should do is we should just throw out
random teams like two thousand one Vancouver Grizzlies could have
beat the Golden State Warriors. You know, just everybody's throwing
out Bulls Lakers. We just take random teams from years. Okay,
maybe not Mike moving on. Cleveland dot Com reports that
Calvs GM David Griffin is looking for a significant raise

(37:53):
after the season. He's in the final year of his
contract and made under just two million dollars annually in
this current deal. Doug know the chances David Griffin doesn't
return as the GM of the Calves. It's kind of
a power play, right, The Magic's job was open and
he stayed. I think I think the chances are good.
Chance players all got paid. He's not looking to get
crazy paid, but he'll get paid more money. Seven chance

(38:15):
he gets paid in days. Okay. A report from hoops
I says the Pacers have not yet made trade offers
involving forward Paul George, who will be a free agent
after next season. What are the chances the Pacers seek
trade offers with Paul George between now and the NBA
drafted a little over two weeks. Um, I'm gonna say

(38:36):
better than better as you get closer to the draft,
likely something happening. How about this from uh the NFL.
Let's get some football in here. Jeremy Macklin's a free
agent wide receiver with interest from teams like the Ravens, Bills,
and Browns. Those teams didn't make the postseason last year.
What are the chances Jeremy Macklin signs with a playoff contender?

(38:57):
M he hasn't signed yet. I think he'll wait. I
think the chances are very good that he'll actually I
think mclin will sit out and wait until a playoff
contender ends up having a wide receiver go down. I'll
chance and final one. Why not? Talking about another former
Chief running back, Jamal Charles now in Denver, says he
could be the man in seventeen. Never mind the fact

(39:17):
he's coming off of a knee injury and Davante Booker
and C. J. Anderson are still in Denver? What are
the chances the thirty year old Charles regains form and
becomes the man with the Broncos to uh fifteen percent chance.
Remember he's had two knee operations. It didn't get you
had to get cleaned up after the A C l uh.
He's on the plus side of thirty. Yeah. In terms

(39:38):
of become the man, I think he'd be running back
by committee and have some games. But Arian Foster and
retired last year. We've seen other running backs not being
nearly the same. I'll say chance that was Scott lead Sack.
You know, a strange thing has happened so far in
the NBA Finals. The results may have been as some

(39:59):
people thought, but who's getting credit for those results have
been the opposite. We discussed next on the Doug Gotlieb Show.
What Up It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Marcel
Dario so join us at some point this hour. We

(40:21):
got some open phone lines for you if you choose
to want to engage. Eight seven seven six three six nine.
I just found out Dan Buyers on his way to
the US Open. I want to catch up with with
Dan about He's like, oh, I love it. Like of
the of the events I have no desire to go to.
I don't get the going to a golf tournament thing.

(40:41):
I just I just don't you guys, you guys ever
heard my what golt white? Golf is exactly like um
uh watching um adult movies because I've never shared that
with you guys don't know this. Oh yeah, it's completely
like like, look, most women, not all, some women do
like watching it movies, but like most women walk in

(41:02):
you're watching golf, Like why do you have golf on? Right?
A little you know, um, but the biggest thing is,
like the biggest things are You're never going to be
as good as what you see on TV. Right, You're
just never going to be as good as what you
see on TV. You do not Nope, You're not gonna

(41:22):
be able to hit out of a bunker two yards
under green and stop it. Nor are you gonna be
able to be balancing. You're gonna be at the copier
run game to a girl and next thing you know,
you're getting it on in the boss's office. Like these
things are not happening. You're never going to be as
good as what you see on TV golf adult films. Additionally, um,

(41:43):
you can always pick up a tip from a pro,
you can't, Like, I never thought of that, right, I'm
talking more about your your golf stands. Right, you never
get pick up tip from pro. Yeah. Um, A round
of golf last a lot longer on TV than it
does for you. It's not the only thing that lasts

(42:05):
a lot longer on TV that it does. You guys
realize this, right, And here's the here's the biggest kicker.
When you watch golf on TV, you want to go
play golf. When you watch adults, right, you understand the
same same thing. But my my thing with golf is

(42:25):
like you go, You're like, all right, who do I follow?
Do I sit at one hole? Like I'm gonna go
get prime position at eighteen? And they're like, whoa what happened?
Oh you should have seen it, but you can't actually
see it like they do allow cell phones now, Like, oh,
or do you do you follow? On? What if you
the guy you follow is terrible? I just feel like

(42:51):
in terms of going to an event plus like, oh,
the course is in great condition, but you're not actually
getting to play it. Right, Somebody telling you about a
course that's in great condition is kind of like a
guy telling you about how hot his wife is in
this sack, Like I don't want to know. Please don't
tell me because I don't get to play that course.

(43:12):
Buyer buyer, buyer buyer. It's also like John John twenty
years ago could always get a force him to play.
Now he's only got to two some, so there's that
way as well. But Doug, like if you were you
could watch pros and basketball or baseball. They're all better
than you at the sport. It's not just golf where
I'm not gonna not watch the NBA finals because Steph

(43:33):
Curry is a better three point shooter than I am.
I mean, we could do things that we can only
dream of doing. Yes, but playing Like when you play,
you're watching basque, watching the NBA, do you ever go
like I gotta go out and play hoop? Okay, But
when you watch golf on TV, like I want to
go play golf, I'm the opposite. I say, this is

(43:53):
why I don't hoop anymore. When you when you when
he watched it, when he watched it, when you watch
around round the golf, you're like, dude, I could. Yeah.
Plus we all have those moments. Me, you have that
moment when you play golf, that one shot we're like,
I hate this game, this game sucks. You know why
they call it golf because g D M effort was
already taken, right, you know, you know the because it's
the only four letter words. It's not a curse word, right,

(44:15):
That's why they named it golf. And then all of
a sudden, you hit a shot like you just pure
a three would h out the fairway onto the green
and a par five. You're like, God, just give him
this awesome coming back. Take all my money, just take
it all. It's always on the eighteen toll as well,
because you figured it out. I get to fourteen, I'm like, God,
I'm so done. So I was. I was so with

(44:39):
it the first time, like when it and then I
went and I gotta I gotta Arnold Palmer and I
got a sandwich, and you know, ten went well, eleven
went well, then twelve, all of a sudden, I three
jacked it, and thirteen I tried to bring out the
big dog and I hit in the woods and by
four team Like dude, I spend so much time from
away from my kids and family. I'm I kind of

(45:00):
smell now right, I got that little not bo but
bo ish thing going. I'm running out of balls. I'm
running out of tease, I'm running out of patients. I
got golf a d D. I'm not gonna not gonna
lie to you. But here's the thing Dan going to.
So you're going to the Open. You're helping covering it
for Fox Sports Radio. Correct. Yes, yes, we're doing some
work there. So where do you sit? Are you sitting

(45:20):
in a tent? You are exactly right for the fact
of if you want to watch golf, don't go. They'll
be in the I'll be in the media, yeah at times,
but I can at least say I got to hang
out with with other media reporters. That's funny. You're you're
exactly right on following the wrong group because in at
the Olympic Club in San Francisco, Jim Furick and Graham

(45:42):
McDowell where the two leaders going off in the final pairing.
I followed them the entire eighteen holes, assuming the champion
would come from there. Web Simpson ended up winning. I
didn't see a shot Web Simpson hit on that final round.
I was watching Jim Furick and Graham McDowell go back
and forth because I thought it was going to come
down to those two. So you're exactly what if you
want to go to a golf event, You're not going

(46:02):
to watch golf and see what all happens. You're just
there to experience, like it's it's super hot, it's a
long walk. There's no real prime position to sit because
you might pick up a teen. You might go like,
I'm gonna watch eighteen and the tournament essentially over by
a team. Like all the guy has to do is
not Vandervelt and you know he he ends up winning.

(46:23):
It's like there's a there's a lot more risk than
there is reward for where you sit and what you do.
And it's not unless you're in one of those tents
and you're drinking on somebody else's bill. But even then
it's like then I gotta make sure I gotta ride home.
I'd might try to drink at home. Have it on
the I like having golf on in the background, right,
Like if you have a lot of people have outside TVs.

(46:45):
Now if you have like a pool, like have it
on and then when it gets important, you stop and
you watch and you get back in the pool, you
get back to grilling. I just it is of the
events where people go like you gotta go I have,
honest to goodness, have less desire to go to that
at then, uh than than any of the other major
sporting event. Can I ask you this, have you been

(47:07):
to NASCAR races? I have not? Okay, because I have
as well. And there's a situation to where the it's
neat to see how fast the cars go past you
if you're not on a short track. Okay, that's great.
I've been out to Fontana a couple of times out
here in southern California. But you don't necessarily see when
they're going going around turn two or is that a
mower you have in the background or is that the
cars racing in the background. Ramas, that's really good. It

(47:29):
does sound like feels like me mowing my grass though.
That's that's why he's the best, that John Ramas. But
the fact this is, when you're like watching a race,
you don't necessary they're going so fast. You don't necessarily
see how fast they're because they just fly past you.
And yeah, yeah, hey, my son and I we watched

(47:50):
the Dayton of five hundred this year and was right
after my kids became aware that I was coming to
work for Fox, and he's like, dad, can we go
to this next year. I was like sure, Like I
guess why not? Right? So yeah, I mean like I'd
like to do that. One. I would, It's down there
on the bucket list, right, But one. I love sweet tea,

(48:11):
I really like grits and most and I want to
I want to go to a real NASCAR race. I
mean I don't really I want to go to Bristol
Motor Speedway under the lights, you know, um, more so
than I want to go to Daytona. But I probably
will take my kids at Daytona. Yeah. Yeah, Right, when
you're talking about golf, does the fact that it's the
US Open deter you from it as much as if

(48:33):
it were the Masters? Would you be more willing to
attend the Masters? No? I Look, I worked when I
was at CBS and part of it, maybe I should
have known, Like that's a good sign. Like they never
invited me to the Masters. Then they're like, hey, man,
you want to go. They all talked about like, oh,
the Masters is amazing at the houses wood is right,
and I thought it was Nobody's like hey you know what,
you should come already said that. Nobody said that once

(48:56):
it was amazing, Like oho, there No, He's like, hey,
do you want to come to the Masters? So, um,
what I want to know is, if you knew that
you were coming to Fox, why didn't you say hi
to Ryan and I at the Super Bowl then in February.
That's what I want to know. Yeah, I talked to
Did you not not to me? It's all good? Uh, yeah,

(49:19):
I mean that was that was early February. Yeah, I
probably do, really, But honestly, Dan, I'm not actually sure
I would have known what look like, Oh that's all right. No,
I was just on stage for three hours talking to
the NFL's best, you know. But at the same time. Yeah, yeah,

(49:40):
it was at the same time. Our stages were next
to each other, though, so I walked by your guy stage.
It was it was cool, but I was guys actually
had coffee. I didn't know that. Did you guys actually
have coffee? We did? Actually we did have coffee and
Ryan music. You never told me this. We went out
for dinner on a super down. I was not allowed
to at the time. He was producing McIntire show and

(50:00):
and dance show. And yeah, like we we can keep
a secret, Dan, Apparently you can't know. I don't know
anything anything yeah. No. The one who can't keep the
secret is you, Doug, because now Dan knows that we
had coffee. Well, I mean yeah, it's not like a

(50:22):
seat like I don't care care now ah, we are
we supposed to talk about the NBA. Here we were
Marcellus Marcella Darius. Now or is he in fifteen minutes?
He's coming up after the break. You don't say after
the break. This is radio one on one. You say
next everything, say you're listening to non R Come on man, Tom,

(50:45):
start listening, listening. I didn't say when the break was coming.
You don't say break. You don't pretend like he doesn't
actually exist. You don't. We just we just keep you.
We're just plowing through. Just keep talking. Yes, marcell Darius
is gonna jus. We'll ask him about out what it's
like without the Ryan boys around. And we also have

(51:05):
to ask them about the the fight or alleged fight
are breaking up, the fight of his former coach coaches
in Nashville just two days ago. That is all upcoming next.
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The Bills have the longest playoffs route in the National

(51:49):
Football Egg. That's crazy in it because again we started
the show and talking about you're old enough to remember,
like the Bills are the best team in the a
f C. It's it's it's like a it's a dubious
just action men, like, look, I spelled Bills with four
LS two but um, but they did make it to
four consecutive Super Bowls. Made a four consecutive and the

(52:11):
first one was the one that they should have was
Scott Norwood pulled the thing to the left a right.
That's when Whitney Houston, late Whitney Houston, she lip syncd
the national anthem. By the way, it's the greatest lip
syn you know anyway, I mean it's been forever, it's
been forever. But same quarterback, new coach. Obviously, they're pretty

(52:35):
good on you know, they had talent on the defense
side of the ball, town on the offensive side of
the ball. Patriots in Division Dolphins in the division, Jets
in the division. So I'll be interested to catch up
with Marcel Darius when he calls us and get his thoughts. Uh.
He also does some amazing humanitarian things in his dad's

(52:58):
homeland of Haiti. I would love to get to I haven't.
I have yet to get to that point. Like part
of is that make kids in my own Maybe that's
what I need to do with kids in my own,
which is like instead of spending money on summer camp,
let's spend money on a trip to Haiti. So you
teach them. You know, this is what it's really like
when you don't have anything. You know, like you think

(53:20):
you got it rough. Now look at look at these
kids and what they have to do just to survive
on a day to day basis. And he's doing a
lot of those great things. All right, we'll get to
Marcel as soon as he calls us. You know what's
what's what's fascinating about this series is not the series
itself or the results itself. It's how we thought we

(53:44):
would analyze the winner. We thought we would analyze the loser.
Right Like I started, or most people I think, started
with the presumption that if the Warriors won the series,
Durant would not get the credit he would might deserve

(54:05):
because he had joined the super team. And I still think,
as I told you, there will be a small percentage
of people that will forever think that. But but we've
actually started the opposite discussion, which is, well, maybe Kevin
Durants the best player in the game. We also started
this series thinking that Lebron winning could bring him within

(54:27):
earshot of Michael Jordan's but they've lost two games and
he hasn't lost any respect, really hasn't. Uh. We started
the series and I thought that Steph Curry might be

(54:47):
able to elevate himself back to superstar status, but he's
been so overshadowed by the greatness of Kevin Durant, and
I think partially some of the turn overseas made. And
it weird two games in and all anybody's talking about
is how good Durant is. Nobody's talking about how good

(55:09):
Staff is. Stuff still makes great plays that turns it
over some all because really, of last year's NBA Finals,
it's kind of interesting so far. Speaking of interesting, the
bills are always interesting. So as Marcell Darius, he joins
us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports. Ready, Marcel,
how are you? I'm doing fine? How are you good?
Good man? Did you watch Have you watched the first
two games in the finals. I watched a little bit

(55:31):
of it. I watched the last game for sure to
see what was actually going on. You know, it was
it was interesting. It was interesting to watch. Tell me
what you thought, like, what's your Marcell Darius, what's your
what's your impression of Game two of the NBA Finals?
I mean, to two pretty good teams going at it. Man,

(55:53):
it wasn't It wasn't like the It wasn't like Cleveland
wasn't playing good. They were playing excessively well. But little
turnovers you can't really make happen because of the team
you're playing against. Some guys are pretty running gun and
once you get into that chase game, that's um the
Warriors playing. I mean is it was like like Steph Curry,

(56:16):
you can't you really can't be running and trying to
chase this guy because the game gets really open after
you saw doing that, and man, it just got out
of hand. But it really didn't get out of hand.
The guys just right when they need to shot, they
got really close to it, and man, it's just stupid
shots by the cavaliers. People that wasn't supposed to shoot

(56:36):
started shooting. Man, it just started throwing me off. Man,
I know it's I know, even even Lebron as great
as he was the first half second, have you started
shooting three? She's like, no, dude, keep driving, keep driving
in there, Marcell, it's crazy, man. Marshall Darius joining us.
What what's it been like around the Bills now, new
coaching staff, new general manager, new defensive philosophy. What's it

(56:58):
been like for you? I mean, it's been pretty interesting. Um,
of course, it's like trying on the new press shoes
for everyone. Everyone is getting used to each being used
to each other. Um, we're just kind of kind of
jumping together again, getting the noise other still and it's
offseason O t A. But at the same time we're

(57:19):
still feeling each other out. It was the first time
we can actually have conversation and a lot of things
we're just we're just really just getting the noisea other. Man.
It just kind of the beginning of the relationship. Everything
is sweet for a minute, and now we've got to
really break things through, all right, So what's the what's
the biggest adjustment for you? You know, your transition. You
guys are three four team under Rex. How does that

(57:41):
affect you going to the four three with McDermott and
Leslie Fraser, I mean out third out, thoroughly enjoyed the
four three, enjoyed and thoroughly enjoyed the three four. It's
just really getting the getting a clear understanding of what
we're what we're doing um um, and we're unless we phrasing.

(58:02):
He's been doing so great with us um he's been
he's been really breaking it down on the level where
it is just do this, do this, do this, And
he's not rushing anything. He's just really taking our time
because we're trying to get to know each other and
and just making sure everything is on everyone is on

(58:23):
the same page. You don't want no one to be
left and and things have just been going so smooth,
But at the same time, we're still having no paths
and we're just running around um norm we'll be doing
getting the players down and and I'm loving everything he
got going on, and at the same time we're still

(58:44):
having that at jelly moment, still getting to know each other,
so everything is sweet now, Marshall Darius joining us on
the Dug Out Lip Show Fox Sports trait, did you
see the Ryan boys get into it at a at
a bar in Nashville and you just said, I mean
I heard about it. I don't really play until it
too much. Um Breg Ryan, He's a good dude to

(59:06):
my book, And I have nothing really to say about
it because I don't. I don't. I just stay out
of it and really don't have an opinion about it.
What's the one thing if you could, like you get
all fifty three in before your first game like you've
been You've you've now been around enough to know what's
been missing. What's the thing that's that's been missing that
you guys can control within yourselves in order to break

(59:30):
that longest streak in the NFL of not making too
the plast What's the one what's the one thing you know,
like we got to do that we can control. Mm hmmm.
That's a good question. I read. I've never been asked
that before. M was the number one thing I'll feel
the bill. I mean, you guys have had like, look,

(59:52):
you've been sneak bits by some injuries, right, You've had yeah, deal,
But but that's not something you can't control injuries, right,
you can show them that's a hundred percent, that's a
hundred percent going to happen. Um, we got a solid
quarterback now, Um, someone we can really believe in. Can't
take us there. We have a solid, all sensitive game

(01:00:15):
playing all offense. You have tremendous players. Um, we have
a coaching staff that's really that's on us, that's gonna
make sure to do you're supposed to do. And it's
just really the only thing I can really say is
once we hit the field, we'll know exactly what's going
on now, because when you running through plays and you're
looking at stuff on the board and look, everything looks perfect,

(01:00:38):
everything looks good. But once you put the toy z one,
you put the show to pass the helmet and we
get the playing around for real, and that's the only
time you understand who's really gonna lay it all on
the line, where game plan is really gonna be the
best thing for who's going to really do what we
need to do. So I really couldn't even tell you
that until we get some toys z one and really

(01:01:00):
on the silo to I like to get some toys
on um. Your first time you went to your dad's home,
The first time you went to Haiti was whin oh man,
it was in think January and February, and it was
out there. Man, it was I opened about life. So
it was pretty crazy. Like like, what, like what was

(01:01:22):
the first Because I've seen your quote is saying that
trip turned my life around. I hope I can continue
to bring change in the country my father was born.
What what was about? What? Like? What was the first
thing you remember about that trip that you're like, wow,
this I had no idea what it just changed you
and you just really don't. It's hard to understand other

(01:01:43):
people's circumstances when you're living your own life and you
never get outside of yours for the most part, to
see what see what else is going on elsewhere in
the world, and for you to hear something and you
hear to travel, see of things that goes on in Haiti,
and to actually go there and see the things they
say about Haiti and Haitians in general. Um, When you

(01:02:06):
actually go outside of your own world and see what's
going on for yourself, it's always different than what people say.
So going there and experiencement for myself, I have a
completely different look in respect for the people there and
the place and what's going on and what's actually truly happened,
and and how people view themselves there, like is one

(01:02:31):
big family where people look out for each other. When
it brings a true man into having nothing is true,
you can still have true happiness. And and for them,
they have it all because they have they have true happiness.
It's not about materialist things. It's about actually being with
one another and enjoying each other. And here's something I've

(01:02:53):
always wondered. It's on the same island as the Dominican Republic, right,
Like it's OK, but but but the d R, Like
people go to vacation the d R. The d R
is beautiful, right, and yet you go to Haiti and
it's incredibly poverty stricken. At least that's the perception that
I have. Why is that they're like it's it's like

(01:03:15):
there's parts of d R that there's a third world
as well as well. You can go to as parts
of DR that that isn't what people want to even
talk about. But there's parts of Haiti that's actually amazing.
Like you go to the north part of Haiti. You
have people makes there all the time as a as

(01:03:36):
a as a resident's resources, and and it has all
kinds of things you can do, all kinds of things.
Water have things, have a lot of fun in the water,
a lot of fishing, I mean, just enjoying family atmosphere.
I mean, but it's just like that in any country,
just like that, in any city. You have parts you
don't want to visit. You have parts that you would
love to visit. Um, you have parts that you wish

(01:03:57):
you could visit, because it's just a lot more to
than what people try to portray it to be. That's amazing, man,
That's gotta be amazing experience for especially when you you
get kind of wrapped up in the world the NFL
and and keeping up with the joneses of pulling the
players parking lot, and then in the back of your
mind it's like, wait, I was just in Haiti where
people don't have anything and they're perfectly happy. Like finding

(01:04:18):
that balance has gotta be gotta be interesting. And as
as I would say that, I try to get many
friends as I possibly can make this next trip with me.
UM trying to schedule it soon. UM but if I
get a couple of friends and just come women, just
check it out and see how see how beautiful the
place is, see how much fun it is. Also see

(01:04:41):
the lies that you can actually change around, you know,
I mean, it was, it was. It was a great experience.
I wasn't change for the world. I can't wait to
I can't wait to take my kids there so they
can understand. And they're gonna have questions themselves. Even though
they're young, it's they're very inquisible, so they're gonna have
questions themselves. When they're gonna they're gonna I want to

(01:05:02):
I want to open their eyes pretty earlier about what's
going on in the world, so they won't be dumb
to the fact that not know what's actually happening. Marcel,
it's great stuff, man. Look forward to seeing you next
year with bills in that new four three system. In
the meantime, continued health and enjoying playing without those toys
that you were talking about. We'll talk soon, all right,

(01:05:23):
all right, big man, thank you for having me on
Pleasures Mike Marcel Darius joining us from the Buffalo Bills
no hats and hats in the shoulder pads. Those are
toys kids were as big as he is. There was
just toys love that among the worst lists of all time.
We have a new addition, get that for you after

(01:05:46):
we get you. What's trending? What we're gonna do right here,
let's go back previously on the jug Godly Show, back
into time. Daddy, are you coming to my fifth grade graduation?
I'm not a very ceremonial person on I call my

(01:06:07):
wife this morning and I was like, listen, I'm looking
at my schedule and I just don't know if it
makes me. She's like, well, every parent will be there. Like,
I don't think every parent's gonna be there. It's a
fifth grade graduation. Well, Doug, you know what will happen?
Have you missed the graduation? And now he he did
a stage strawberry shortage. This is for my dad, Doug,
you missed my fifth grade graduation and now I stranger.

(01:06:31):
Way to go, Dad. We gotta send that to my wife.
She's gonna be done. Keep up the pole, right, keep

(01:06:51):
up the strip, pol rule number one in parenting daughters.
Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I guess I deserve
that for sharing my life with you. I should be
a closed book. That's what should happened. I should, I should,
I should play to the uh to the easiest. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do everything that every dad says
I gonna do. And the greatest day of my life

(01:07:12):
is watching my kid advance from fifth to sixth grade.
Like it's not really it wasn't really in question, right,
it wasn't really in question? Mm hmm, all right, we
have there's always bad lists, right, I oh, that's a
bad list. Do you give me it's it's the you
give me your top five movies to watch on a Saturday.

(01:07:35):
I was, I was sitting back. God, prime time movies,
primetime TV shows in the summer can be bad, right,
it's not slipping around. A few Good Men was on.
I was like, stop, wait a minute, right, a few
good Ben's big time. Oh it's not all the time.
It's amazing. A few good Ben's amazing. The casting is incredible,

(01:07:57):
the dialogue is incredible, acting is incredible. A few Good Men,
Shah Shank Hunt for at October, like we kind of
start from there to which you're like, stop, okay, I'm watching.
But sometimes somebody will throw one into list you're like, Okay,
I can't take your list seriously. You're like, oh man,
step Brothers, Like, come on, man, I like step Brothers,

(01:08:21):
Like there's some funny lines from step Brothers, but stop
it with like putting Stepbrothers on even in the all
time comedy list, like oh man, basketball, put basketball on there,
Like the same has happened with this NFL UH Network
Top hundred list. J J. Watt called it a joke

(01:08:42):
because he was listed as the thirty five best player
in the NFL. I was voted on by the players.
They only played in three games last year. But that's
a that's a terrible list. If he's fifty three, I
don't think that the uh, what's the HBO show called
Hard Knocks show? You know where he's out there working

(01:09:03):
out everybody else is inside. J J. Watt is like
practicing his spin move against air in the middle of
the night, Like I don't think that's really who he is, Like,
I think that's where the TV show. On the other hand,
if J J watchs on the top five defensive player
in the league, I don't know what when he's healthy,

(01:09:24):
I don't know what what league anybody else is watching.
So I guess if you hold it against him that
he didn't play, and again I've told you Andrew Luck
at one, the list becomes irrelevant, right, like erroneous? Can
you music? Is there any way in which you could
make an argument that he's the fifty best player in

(01:09:46):
the league. Well, I can't because the issue I have
with that list it has to be on a curve.
And we know that on that list, based off of quarterbacks,
it would all fill up almost the top fifteen to
twenty spots and then you break it down after that,
so he would probably be somewhere in the fifteen range.

(01:10:14):
I would put him higher based off of what he
can be when he's healthy. That's me personally, all of
that I would I would probably put him. I would
put him ten to fifteen probably, right. I mean, like, look,
the argument to why J. J. Watt can't be the
m v P is even when he said the sacks record,
they weren't the best team in football. Like if you said, a,
if you said all the quarterback records, you're gonna be

(01:10:36):
a lot better. Like you could have a, Hey, they
had a great season defensively last year. He did even play,
So you just don't have as much of an effect
on a game or on a season as you do.
If you're a quarterback, when you touch the football every play,
you just don't. As bad as that list is, this
is worse. So we like to have Jason mcintyron Jason

(01:10:59):
McIntyre begin on a site called The Big Lead. He
doesn't write every story. A matter of fact, somebody named
Tully corker In wrote this story, which is what are
the fifteen most desirable jobs in college basketball? The league
isn't just bad, it's the least. List isn't just bad,
it's atrocious, and it's made even worse because of well,

(01:11:22):
the logic behind why the list was put together. Number
one job is North Carolina. Now I could make a
case that that's actually a really smart one to put
it number one. Uh, they just won national championship. They
nearly won the national championship the year before. They're sponsored
by Jordan's. They wear the argyle. They've had a litany

(01:11:43):
of Hall of Fame at college level, hall of Fame
at the pro level players. In addition to you know,
Frank McGuire, Dean Smith and now Roy Williams all spectacular
Hall of Fame coaches they play a great style of
play there in a part of the country that produces
players as well as they have alumni up and down
the Eastern Seaboard. They can recruit nationally. They play in

(01:12:06):
the Dean Doome, they play on national TV. Anytime that
they play. They can get into any tournament they want,
and they for one for a period of time, they
had I think thirteen consecutive years they reach the Sweet sixteen. Like,
that's a great program. That's a no brainer. Uh. Tully
supports his argument with Michael Jordan played there, So number

(01:12:31):
two was Gonzaga. The second most desirable job was Gonzaga.
Still as Cinderella after all these years, You're not actually
expected to win a national championship Gonzaga, but you nonetheless
can roll up an astonishing win loss record, make gobs
of money, and probably have a statue in your honor,
and a beautiful part of the country. That would be
the cushiest coaching gig in all of sports. Huh right,

(01:12:57):
excuse me. Um, Yeah, it's not exactly easy. It's not cushy.
You don't make as much money. It's a beautiful part
of the country. It's in the middle of nowhere, like music.
You're from southern California. Do you know where Spokane is

(01:13:18):
up in Washington? Yeah? Do you know at all? Like
other than the only reason I know is because I
had a former teammate who is from Spokane. That's the
only reason I know what Spokane is. Like, I like Spokane.
It is nice. It's not far from from Lake Core
Lane in Idaho, which is spectacular. But it's also in
the police like, it's in a tundra part of Washington.

(01:13:42):
It's not the second most desired coaching job, right, Like
if you if you put Texas up in there because
proximity to talent, amount of money, place to live, you
don't expect to win championship. Like that's a it's a
little high, but that's an interesting argument to make. Then Kentucky,
then Duke, then Kan's then Florida Again, you don't know

(01:14:05):
anything about basketball. If you're putting Florida at six, Baylor's
in there, somebody's never been to Waco, us l As
at twelve, somebody doesn't know about the sport Organs at fourteen. Again,
But the bigger point is once you have Gonzaga at
two and your support for North Carolina has one is
Michael Jordan played there. It's like, it's like if I

(01:14:30):
was to sit here and tell you, Amazing Grayson Chuck
is one of the five greatest movies of all time.
I like Amazing Grayson Chuck. Alex inglishes it's about, you know,
a group of athletes that that it ends up kind
of shutting down sports because they're protesting nuclear proliferation. It's
back in the nineteen eighties, like it was a it
was a fun movie for a kid to watch, to

(01:14:50):
think of the power of sport right in the relationship
between a kid and a professional athlete. That's not one
of the five best movies of all time. Same here
with Dully Korean. Who has the worst list of two
thousands seventeen today? Congratulations the Big League dot Com. We'll
tweet it out just to reaffirm how bad the list is.

(01:15:14):
What did the Fox say? We'll find out what Colin
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(01:15:36):
show Fox Sports Radio. Every day. This time we try
and play for you a portion of one of the
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Sports Radio. Uh. And we do so with a little
game we call what did the Fox and now Fox say?
Colin Coward today had this to say about Lonzo Ball

(01:16:00):
and the Lakers, and who has the con if you will,
The Lakers have not had momentum in years. That's why
they signed Kobe Bryant. They don't have a star, Brandon
Ingram D'Angelo, Russell, Julius Randall, Jordan's these aren't stars. A
Lonzo Ball has all the leverage here. He is commerce
The Lakers will set every NBA Summer league attendance and

(01:16:24):
TV rating record if Lonzo Ball is a Laker. So
this report that the Lakers aren't interested or are not
locked into a Lonzo Ball is laugher ball. They need
him more than he needs them. That sounds good in theory.
The reality to it is what's though, There would be

(01:16:47):
a bump if Lonzo Ball is drafted by the Lakers,
and there would be the initial excitement of a hometown
kid who's a great passer being their point guard. Remember,
There's been excitement when they drafted D'Angelo Russell, There's been
excitement when they drafted Brandon Ingram. They've gotten high picks
before and they failed to kind of move the meter.
What moves the meter more than anything is winning. And

(01:17:09):
oh yeah, by the way, in this star culture of
Los Angeles, if you can eventually get a Paul George,
a star to come home and play for the Blue
and Gold, the Laker Blue and Gold, now the sudden
you're doing something. I don't think that Alonso has leverage
over them because Alonzo's dad has said he wants them
to play for the Lakers. He doesn't want to work

(01:17:31):
out for other people. What happens to the Lakers don't
select him? Will he go? Will he show up? Will
he played well? Will he have the same passion that
he has playing for the Lakers. All right, now, let's
take a listen to what Shannon Sharpe had to say.
I still believe, even if Lebron comes back and win
this series, I still believe the Warriors have more talented
players than anybody. George's ever faith He's played the four guys.

(01:17:55):
They're going to the Hall of Fame. Draymond gee, Green
is gonna be Defensive Player of the Year this year
when they have the worst awards ceremony in New York,
they got four All Star skill Think about a third
of the All Stars in the Western Conference came from
one team. Yeah, Draymond Green's not a Hall of Famer.
M If you if you picked up one thing watching

(01:18:16):
this year in the finals, it's that Draymond Green is
a nice player. He's not at the level of the
other three. And frankly, as much as I love Clay
Thompson's playing great defense, like it's a stretch. I think
Clay is gonna be a Hall of Fame. Right, you
got two superstars and and even Steph who Steph is
the classic shooting covers so many of your awards, Like

(01:18:38):
Stepton played great in Game two, but he got to
the free to line fourteen times and then he made threes.
Turn the ball over a time, but he made threes.
But if if your argument is that that that Jordan
never faced a team this talented, Yeah I did. Lakers

(01:18:59):
first first NBA Finals were that talented. The Sons were
that talented. Um, I can make the case that the
Sonics were that talent. The Jazz had the greatest pick
and roll combination of all time and a very difficult
place to play in altitude. So um, If anything, it

(01:19:22):
shows that there's not a great depth of talent off
the bench and even in starting lineups. Right, Like Jaja Petulia,
Do you think he's any good in comparison to who
Jordan went against? His big guys? My point exactly. Just

(01:19:42):
like we're suddenly forgetting about Steph Curry in the great
player discussion because of Kevin Durant's greatness, We're also forgetting
about one historically great player because of Lebron and Jordan's greatness.
I mean, like, look, this is a recently retired superstar

(01:20:02):
player who no one is talking at all about. We
will next to the dug Out Lip Show Fox Sports Tradio.
What up, it's the dug Outlip Show Fox Sports Radio.
Come into here from the heart of the City of Angels,

(01:20:22):
like the rest of the world, waiting for Game three
where we can officially stick the steak in the Cavaliers
or say not so fast, my friend. We're like one
day away from having at least a little bit more clarity.
I almost feel like the Warriors wanted to be three
games to ones, they can then stomp out the hopes

(01:20:44):
and dreams of of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Um, but we'll see.
Maybe they want to sweep. I don't know, fascinated by it.
What's weird is I was watching this special on NBA
TV which they were talking about Kobe Bryant and and
there's the new commercial for Jale and Roses new TV

(01:21:05):
show or whatever the pilots that's gonna be on one
of these channels, and it was it was Kobe Bryant.
It's weird because we are so one prone to Hyph Purpole,
but two to the thing we've seen last. Like I
remember when he finally when he won his fifth title,
and people are like, oh, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan's yeah,

(01:21:25):
same guy. Like I don't know. I know Kobe used
to like to speak like Michael Jordan's right to his
gum and walk with his hands and his hip like
Michael Jordan's. I know he copied and emulated Michael Jordan's moves,
but I don't remember him ever dominating the league the
likes of Michael Jordan's. I will grant you he played
with Shaquille O'Neal for the first three of those titles,

(01:21:47):
and so maybe some of that took away from his greatness.
On the other hand, Jack might actually been greater or
more dominant. There is like, look, what what holds love
Ron back from being viewed as Jordan's like is he
has the kind of the Shaquille O'Neil effect for guards,

(01:22:08):
where he's just so much bigger and stronger and kind
of a bully a right place bullyball. The same for Shock,
like Chack was dominant, Like well, Shocks just bigger than
everybody else. Yeah, but I didn't know that was I
didn't know there was like, Okay, you can only be
dominant if you're not as not bigger than everybody else.

(01:22:29):
I didn't read that as a rule. I just wrote
that one down. Now it's a rule. Yeah, he's dominant,
but he was bigger than everybody else, Okay, And like
not everybody who's bigger and stronger than people at their
position dominate their position. Correct, But Chack has that kind

(01:22:52):
of asterisk by his name, and so too, frankly does
Lebron James. I's just bigger than people and much the
same they they forced their will upon you. So it's
interesting on how there's all these caveats where Kobe can't
be deemed as one of the great ones because he
played with Shock and sometimes shack Out shown him. The

(01:23:15):
other hand, after Shaq laughty at pau Gasol and Poal
has it one before or after playing with Kobe, And
I don't even like, I'm not even a pow guy
that will be Peo. People say Pal should be a
Hall of Famer. I'm not really a pow guy. But
tell me the moment to which you thought pau Gasol
was a great player outside of playing with Kobe Bryant.
I'm not sure that exists, but didn't it Weird how

(01:23:39):
quickly we've moved on from like Kobe's in the Jordan
discussion too, now Lebron's in the Jordan discussion and k
D's right in the Lebron discussion, Like, Hey, what about
six or twenty four? Whichever number? Pick one? Weird to me.

(01:24:03):
And I started the show saying this that I believe
that there are certain arguments to which the certain things
to which you're in the right. Age four right, It's like, um, music,
did you start driving at sixteen years old? No? I
started driving more like seventeen almost eighteen, Yeah, and all
honesty like that's when it starts to get to where

(01:24:24):
that's like the right age for it. Like I remember
driving at sixteen, and I knew how to do everything
because I was anybody had a dad like this where
you'd sometimes let you sit in the lap and he
would press the pedals and then you would steer. I
felt like them like he didn't have that. No, I
didn't do that. My brother used to let you're too young.
That's that's why Ramos. Ramos and I are old enough

(01:24:45):
to remember back before seat belts were were legal. I
mean seat belts were mandatory, right, your dad just stick
out his arm like, oh, that's gonna stop you going
through the windshield. But somehow that's what we did. Uh yeah,
my dad, you said, when I was a little like
popping up in his lap, you steer, he'd do the pedals,

(01:25:06):
and pretty soon you figure out the pedals and you
could drive. But there's a certain age to which you're
there's a reason that guy's insurance spikes up until they're
the age. Right, Then all of a sudden they start
to go like, oh maybe I maybe I can't jump
a Bridge, like on Dukes of Hazard. There's certain ages

(01:25:28):
of basketball players to which, with a couple of exceptions,
you're not gonna win a championship with the main player
like magic magics, like the the exception of this, with
one of your main players being two, you're just not
You gotta be in that perfect age. And I'm in
the perfect age for the Bulls of versus the Warriors

(01:25:52):
of these past two years discussion, because we just think
of bulls and we just think of like all the
bulls that played with Jordan's. You're like, oh, Bill car right,
Like Bill Curry wasn't on that team? Was the other team? B. J.
Armstrong wasn't on that team. Steve Kerr bit player on

(01:26:15):
that team? Right? So there there is a there's a
perfect age to discuss sports and movies and music and
network television. And I think I'm in that age. I do.
I'm not so old that I'm super nostalgic, but I'm

(01:26:37):
not so young that I think only things that have
happened the past ten minutes interest me. I'm in my
yes music near your hand up now, I was adjusting
my headphones, like I'm not a music guy. Yeah, sorry,
Clay um. But we we so quickly forgot even how

(01:27:06):
good Kobe was. Now I never had Kobe because Kobe
didn't have the Jordan's moments in the finals. Like I
can quote chapter in verse of Kobe of Jordan's moments
in the Finals, six threes in the first half against
Portland's back, when people said Clyde Juxon was creeping up
on it right, the up and under versus the Lakers,

(01:27:28):
the final shot of his career. I said this over
the weekend that I've been I've been told there's five Diehards.
Do you guys know that four starring Bruce Wilson. There's
one more starring somebody else. I don't know it is,
but but die Hard one and two is like Jordans
with the Bulls. I know that that there was basketball

(01:27:49):
played afterwards, but I don't count it as part of
the series, right, Like I know that there's other die Hards,
but die Hard one die Hard too. That's the die
Hard series. That's how I mentally work it out. It's
a fair way of looking at it. I'm not saying
that there aren't other movies as part of the die
Hard whatever it is, but I don't really count it.

(01:28:11):
I'm not saying Michael Jordan didn't play after the Bulls
hitting the game winning shot, but I don't. I don't
really care. So what kept Kobe from Jordan's was, like
what was the Kobe moment? Like he had one game
maybe against the Pacers, that's like that's it, Like, oh yeah,
that one game gets the patients like okay, and Shocks

(01:28:33):
fouled out over Shock fouled out in overtime, right, you know,
he had the alley you but the comeback against the
Trailblazer that wasn't the finals. He had the game winning
shot against the Phoenix Suns. He had a game winner
against the San Antonio Spurs, but like in the NBA Finals,
like there was a reason he wasn't the m v P.
And even in the last Game seven of the NBA
Files he was terrible ron or tests kind of save
the day, right, whereas Jordan's when even when he wasn't good,

(01:28:57):
found a way to be good when it mattered most.
But didn't it weird on how like it has not
been that long. Kobe Bryant has been retired one basketball season.
Granted he got hurt three years ago, barely played last
year and then had with sixty or sixty one his
last game, which is crazy, and Jordan was at least

(01:29:19):
in the Jordan's he got invited into the room to
discuss who else could be alongside or in the conversation
of Jordan's like I I still think we we dismissed
bird in Magic and all they've done. But whatever to now,
no one's talking. I mean, Lebron went right past him,

(01:29:40):
and it's to me, it's the power of the finals.
We never got Kobe versus Lebron in the finals. This
is our second KD versus Lebron the finals. And that's
why Katie is getting all of the do all of
the respect, and frankly, why even Lebron, even though his
team's not playing well, it's getting Yes, yes, actually have
something to say now. That's why I was raising my hand.

(01:30:03):
But uh, the you had mentioned it. So the Lakers
Celtics series with Kobe was some of the good finals
matchups that he was actually in. But as part of that,
because of what you said, all of those game winning
shots and big moments that Kobe had, because the tougher
matchups were always in the Western Conference, whether it was
the Spurs or against the Sacramento Kings, and then when

(01:30:25):
they got to the finals, it was like they mopped
the floor with like Dwight Howard and the magic. So
he never really had those big moments available to him.
But he didn't win every NBA finals, right right, But
so he lost to the Celtics, lost to the Pistons.
The Pistons one really hurt him because they were coming
a part of the seams, you know, emotionally, he had

(01:30:48):
the deal in Denver, Colorado that hurt him. I guess
that's one of those ones that no one's ever going
to say it, but we all know it kind of
it hurt him and how we look at him. Um,
I don't know. I just don't remember him. I don't
remember him in the NBA Finals, the exception the one
game against the Pacers being the guy being the Kobe

(01:31:11):
game where a lot of it was shock. And that's
that's the downside to playing with a great player. That's
what Steph Curry's going through, right like. And I don't
think Steph played great in game one or game two.
Game one he missed a bunch of chippies and he
turned it over. Game two, he turned it over a
ton like eight turnovers and probably should have been ten,
right because he double dribbled in that move. The where

(01:31:34):
he shook Lebron picked the ball with his left hand.
It was pretty blatant. And then he there was one
cross court pass which is just awful, and it was
so bad that the calves like, was that seriously a pass?
And they're like, oh, we can steal it, and they
missed it and Clay jumps up and hits the three.
So he had eight could have been easily ten or

(01:31:56):
eleven turnovers, but he made so many shots. No one's
talking about Steff. You get overshadowed by the better team,
which is of course why Shacks great, but also it
points out why Kobe is not Jordan, because Jordan's never
outshown by anybody. The Big Three begins, what in a

(01:32:16):
couple of weeks, Yeah, like end of June, So we're
really gonna have three on three basketball on Fox Sports one.
How are these teams shaping up? And maybe more importantly,
we're gonna ask Roger Mason Jrs. Former NBA player as
well as the commissioner of the league, how would he
slow down the Warriors if he was a member of

(01:32:37):
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(01:33:00):
Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio eight see six night
seven seven six three six nine. Alright, so, like, look,
we um we need a series. Don't like it? We

(01:33:24):
need it? Can you imagine if we go through the
NBA playoffs and finals and these two teams combine combined
to play was twenty nine games? Yes, Romos, does anything
change in your mind? Everybody's talking about I heard you

(01:33:45):
say earlier that you think that the Cleveland is gonna
win a game, right, that one game at home? And
does anything change for anybody? If Cleveland wins both games
at home? Does that change? It does? So you think
then they had the chance to win the series if
they but they have to win both games? Yeah? Okay,
So do you think that changes everybody's mind or just
your mind? I don't. I mean I can't. I can't
control everybody else, But I think it will change. I

(01:34:09):
think it would change a lot of people's mind. People
are like, Okay, well it's a totally different series there um,
but yeah, like a three one. I don't think everyone
does it this year, they still I just it is
interesting on how we look at it now. It's like,
realized they got to win four out of the next
five games in order in order to do it. You're like, wow,

(01:34:29):
that's it's different. But looking at it that way is interesting.
It's if, for example, Cleveland were to win the next
let's say there, they'll win the next three, Like, can
you imagine how it's pressures on Golden State in six
and in seven? So also though, like let's let's be

(01:34:52):
let's be honest, there's going to be pressure regardless on
both teams. And I think I just feel like Golden
State just play like they just kind of play. Granted
they there was they got tight at times last year,
but now if they just continue to play, continue to

(01:35:12):
take and make shots. I don't know. I look at
this series and I think that, uh, pace of play
is a huge key in that in order to get
it going. Cleveland started playing fast. In Game two, Lebron

(01:35:33):
was attacking, but a lot of that hurt him. Because
he kept attacking and then he was tired in the
third quarter. Let's ask Roger Mason. Of course, he's a
commissioner of the Big Three. That's three on three basketball
league highlighting the biggest basketball superstars competing at the highest
level of three on three. Roger, what are your thoughts

(01:35:55):
on Game one and two of the NBA Finals so far? Well?
How man? I think we just saw an offensive explosion.
I mean, this is to me, arguably the most talented
offensive team that the NBA has ever seen. So, I mean,
no matter how great Cleveland played in those first two games,

(01:36:16):
you know, there was no way they were beating Golden Stakes.
How fixable is that unless they can go sign Superman.
I mean, I don't think there's anything that Cleveland can
do at this point. I mean, this is the super
team of super teams, and I just don't see any
way that they that they can come out of this
series on top. All right, So, but if you're if
you got it, like, they're not gonna weave the white flag, right, so,

(01:36:38):
and they're saying like, hey, we're gonna play how we play.
We're not changing our starting lineup. But if I said, look,
Roger Mason, former NBA guard now commissioner of the Big
Three League. I give you a couple of days to
game plan. How do you do so well? You know,
I think you know, other than just praying, I think
you know you gotta try to limit the rants, easy buckets.
You gotta make him work for it. I think you know,

(01:37:00):
you just need your role players to have out of
body experiences. You need j R. Smith to wake up.
You need you know, the rest of those guys at home,
Kyle Korver and and Channing fry And and particularly Tristan
Thompson who has been silent. You need all those guys
to to all play exceptionally well for you to have
opportunity to win. Make it hard for Katie and I
think they can still win a game in Cleveland, Um,

(01:37:21):
but I don't see them winning a series. Alright, So
let's let's assume, and it's a tough assumption, but let's
assume the Warriors win the series. Are you in on
this KD discussion that Hey, now, Katie look as well
as he's playing once he has the space to operate
at the highest level. Why can't Kevin Durant be the
best player in the Lake. Well, I think if you

(01:37:42):
if you judge it by being on the best player
on the best team, then I think there you have it.
I mean, Katie can can do it. And he's younger
than Lebron and and and obviously even more of a
force on both ends of the floor than Steph Curry is.
So there's no reason why you can't um, particularly understanding
that this team they're not going anywhere for the next

(01:38:04):
three to four years. Roger Mason joining us on the
Doug Gottlips Show. Okay, so what about Lebron? Does this
change how we should look at Lebron in terms of
his all time greatness? That he's played well statistically but
not able to take over late Uh, even though everyone's
saying like there's slightly out man, what's this in your mind? Again?

(01:38:24):
Like Roger, I think you weigh differently than anybody else
you have it on because you you played at that level.
Does this change how we should look at at Lebron?
You know, I don't think so. You know, I look
at Lebron, James and I and I still believe for
a guy that has gotten all of his teams to
the finals seven years consecutively, I mean, that is one

(01:38:45):
of the most unbelievable feats that anyone can can can have.
And so I look at him as as you know,
one A or one B rather of all time players
of all time with the book still you know, unfinished. Um,
he's just up against the team that we've ever seen before.
I mean the collection of town that Golden State has.
You know, if Lebron did beat these guys, he'd have

(01:39:07):
to be considered the best of all time. All right, So, um,
the Big Three tips off June at Barclays its three
on three. Um, you're the commissioner and president. Amy trash
is the former Raiders CEO. Is uh is the Big
Three CEO? You guys got all these big hitters, you
all these big names. Um, so how real is it?

(01:39:28):
Like we saw the draft? Is that what it's gonna
look like? Are we really gonna have all these big
name players playing in that first Big Three event? I
can't tell you how excited I am for this. It's
exactly what you're gonna see. And you know, those guys
that are training every day preparing for this is the
first ever professional three on three league, and you're gonna
see a competitive product. You're gonna see guys like Kenyan

(01:39:50):
Martin and Allen Iverson going at it again, and guys
like Chauncey Phillipston, Rochard Lewis out there, Jason White White
White Chocolate as well. So you know, we've we've have
some exhibition games and you know, I think the fans
are gonna be very excited about the way these guys
compete on the court. Okay, so how is it? How
is it formatted? So the way this formatted is there's

(01:40:12):
eight teams with five players on each team. And so
you know, we go we start in Brooklyn at the
Barclays on and there's all eight teams play. So there's
four games, UM and and obviously these are some matchups
that we've never seen before. UM. And then we go
from city to city UM. And then after week eight,

(01:40:34):
the top four teams advanced to the playoffs, the bottom four.
In week nine they played for seating and the championship
is in Vegas at Team Mobile on on the kids,
I'm on the phone. Kids, I'm on the phone with God.
Leave on the radio. Would you tell them? Would you
keep them? And do I need to go over there?
And Rex Shop Roger apology is about there. I'm bess,

(01:40:58):
I'm messing. Was a pool outside? Is that what they
guy working? It sounds like they getting rind of the pool.
My son just hit a jump shot and so he
was excited. He ran in and tell me, your son
wants to be what player in the NBA? You know,
he's just starting to like basketball. But all he talks
about is Steph Curry. That's all they like. They're like
Steph Curry. Uh. They like, he'll like Cam Newton, He'll
he might like jj watt O'Dell Beckham Jr. Maybe maybe

(01:41:23):
maybe Mike Trout. That's that's like it's like all like
I got an eight year old kid, eight year old boy,
and this is like there's no scientific study, but like
all the boys like in the jerseys they wear. That's
about Lebron a little bit, but but Steph more than in. Yeah,
Roger Mason joining us. Okay, so, uh do we know
the matchups for the first first game, first day's game
or is it like out of a hat? Because I

(01:41:44):
heard it's like it's like theater in the round right,
Like there's there stands all around the court and it's
just like a three quarter court and not a full court. Yeah,
so we have our own court. It's a that's exactly right,
it's a it's a half court and it's kind of
centered in the middle of the arena. Um, and we
absolutely have the matchups for the first week. Um. You

(01:42:05):
can go to Big three dot Com to to to
get him all lined up. There threes companies playing killer threes.
That's so, that's Allan Iverson against Chauncey Billips team. But
Allen and Challenge aren't playing though, right, They're not actually playing. Oh, absolutely,
they're playing. Allen Iverson is back in the gym at
his high school with his high school coach training him
every day. He's back in the gym working out in

(01:42:27):
preparation for this. He's absolutely playing. Hand Checking is only allowed,
but it's encouraged, correct. Yeah, I mean, look, you can't
impede the progress. But we're taking it back to how
it wasn't the nineties where you can have a an
off an off farm that that that does hand check,
but you just can't impede the progress of an offensive player. Sweet,
we we are we are. We doing the the undershorts

(01:42:49):
to go to the knee, but the shorts kind of
mid thigh like, what what level of nineties you go to?
Because like nineties, we're leaving all the basketball stuff on
the court, all the other all the other in from
back then. I think we're leaving the Roger great stuff.
Keep those kids in line, don't don't make me come
in there and be the be the be the be
the mean parents. In the meantime, look forward to seeing
you in Brooklyn. Thanks for joining us. All right. That's

(01:43:11):
Roger Mason Jr. Of course, played in Virginia playing the NBA.
Fox Sports is the broadcast partner for the Big Three's
inaugural season. On FS one, you will have thrilling a
thrilling Monday Night Basketball Experience. Championship game will be live
on the Fox Broadcast Network. August, Las, Vegas, Nevada. I

(01:43:33):
gotta go to Vegas for that, right, Vegas? For just
excuse to go to Vegas? Yes, Ramost what game you
play in Vegas? Everybody's Oh, no, I play Roulette? I
like Roulette? Roulette? Yes? Do you know all the rules
to Roulette? What do you pretend like you know all
the rules? Okay, Roulette, the one with the spinning wheel. Right? Oh,

(01:43:54):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, I think that craps. I
don't know, not craps traps one time and it was crap.
So what is the is there? Do you have like
a pattern to it? Like a number comes you get
a feel? It's just a feel. Do you get a
what a feel like? I just kind of I look
at it? Yeah, feel what I say? Phil? No I did,
and I said, I get a feel. We'll replay it

(01:44:14):
for you after you find out with trending. Doug Gotlip
show Box Spards Radio. Did you say feel or Phil? Feel?

(01:44:37):
He said peel? He said feel. It was close. It
was borderline. It was borderline. Um, okay, So you just
get a feel and you just like get a sense,
a sense. That's's probably a better word, was it sense?
What do you do? You do you make colors or numbers?
I like numbers. What's your favorite number? Six? Six? Why
is six your favorite number? I grew up with six.

(01:44:58):
I wore it as when I played baseball and stuff,
and so I just like that number six is your number?
That is Ron James, your guy who's number six when
he's in miamis? Was Bill Russell? What about you music?
What's the game you play? I like roulette as well
and black track. Yes, I've never like, I've never met
a roulette guy now yet room, I've never learned how
to play craps. That's why you said. They're like, perhaps

(01:45:18):
this is amazing, Like what are the rules? I don't know.
It's just fun because you roll some people and occasionally
they take it. Most of the time they take. Occasionally
they give you money like what I win? I don't
know that one, but I'm gonna keep rolling the guys.
This is amazing. Uh, most people just like black jack,
I can figure it. I can count it twenty one.

(01:45:39):
Then they start flipping over cards like hold on, hold
on too fast, too fast, it's eleven or a one.
Uh huh, Dan buyer, what's your game? Only roulette? That's it?
Stop stop you guys are so full of it, very nice.

(01:45:59):
What's your game? It? I just put some money on
slots and watch it go away. Usually you put in slots.
What are you? A seventy five year old woman? Apparently
apparently so like like the only people I see playing
slots have like a cigarette that is not ash in yet.
Like it's like and they're just like you just see
like they're just slowly sucking their soul out of them.

(01:46:24):
Ing ing ing ing ing ing ing. You just here
in the background. I just a young viril man, like
I don't know, go lose yourself someone respect. I see
you as a poker guy. I don't know why. I
see Buyer as a poker guy right, Like you can't
read his face. He's kind of inquisitive and interesting, like
I see him like reading the room. I'm going like,
I know you've got a king, king king like I

(01:46:48):
slots is that's like the most that's like telling me
you smoke. That's like one of the most disappointed. And
I know you don't smoke. Well I did it to
thirty every day, but now I've got the press, so
that's kind of gone away. I don't. I know, Big
Mike smokes. He walks through here. It's like it's like
a different area, like who like no, uh but yeah,

(01:47:12):
like slot guy Slot guy is is smoker guy. God.
I just that's the only part about Vegas I don't
like is when you sit there in places where people
have smoked and just like feel like, oh my god,
I'm getting older by the second saddest place on earth
is the smoker room at the at at like not
even at a major airport it's bad, but a major

(01:47:34):
airport at least, like, hey, you might not smoke all
the time, but you might have flown like fifteen hours
and you just need a cigarette. Okay. I can maybe
see that. When you're like a Midwestern airport and you
look in the smoking room, you're like, oh my god,
that's a tough room. I actually think it's the non
smoking room at the casino because they love slot machines
so much they don't want to smoke, you know, like

(01:47:55):
like that's how much they There's usually like it's a
small There are a lot of casinos around the state
of Wisconsin, so there's just like a little area, which,
by the way, is filled with smoke from the whole
casino cloud that's there. But I always felt like the
small non smoking like, you know what, I want to
stay healthy and not smoke, but still lose all my wages.

(01:48:17):
But I'm not a big gambler, no, no, no, I
need play some Caribbean stud poker from time to time
when I'm there. But describing studs, I think of Dan Pyro.
I saw this one to three four four, I declare
a Twitter four So I believe we have a Twitter

(01:48:41):
war brewing right between Colin Kaepernick's dad and Pete Priscoe,
former colleague of mine at CBS Sports. Is that right, gentlemen,
I think we do have that, um con Pete Priscoe
tweeted out that he doesn't even know that Colin Kaepernick
doesn't even know what he wants to, which he got
trolled by Kaepernick's dad. Hey, this is caps pop and

(01:49:05):
you don't even know what you don't know. She's not
really a Twitter war, it's more of a Twitter troll
or I think that's I think maybe the problem is
that we don't have a lot of information. We just don't.
All we have to go on is no one seems

(01:49:26):
to have called him. San Francisco doesn't want him back.
Hardball is down in the league, so he can't go
out and get it, even though Hardball would swear by him.
He went up to Seattle and they said, we think
he's a starter on a backup, and they went and
hired Austin Davis instead of him, Like is he asking
for too much money? It would seem like when there's

(01:49:48):
coding there right, like everything is in code, and that's
the problem with the Kaepernick thing is it's where are
We're getting messages in code and we're having trouble decide
fring it. When you ask your buddy about a girl
he's setting you up with, and she said she's he said,
she's got a great personality. That is code for she

(01:50:10):
ain't much to look at, right, I mean, there's all
different sorts of coding. Fix her up. Her in real estate,
it's a dump, you can you can walk to town.
It's in the middle of the hood. Previously owned, used, used, used,

(01:50:37):
so yeah, vintage old David classic. The only coding we've
got from Seattle is he's a starter. He wants to
be a starter, and that that means do you want
start her money? He wants started opportunity and it wasn't

(01:50:58):
coming in Seattle, so why get on the plane to
again with But there's our Twitter war the day, Pete
Prisco just like, hey, nobody knows we even Kaepernick doesn't
know what he wants. And then Kaepernick's Dad's like, Pee Prisco,
you don't know what you're talking about. But but Kaepernick's
dad didn't even say what he wants. Marshawn Lynch speaks

(01:51:19):
as a raider for the first time one will have
the beat button ready. Secondly, wait till you hear Marshawn's
logic and reasoning behind wanting to go and play for
his hometown Raiders may surprise you. It's next Doug Out

(01:51:41):
Live show Fox Sports Raid. I just got a question
on Twitter, why does our show cut off on Serious
x M or speak for yourself in the final art
of the show, because it does it like, look, you know, I've,
I've I've I'm just happy I'm on serious extent for
two hours of the show, like I don't. It's always

(01:52:03):
on the I heart app. You can flip over the
I Heart app, you listen on Fox Sports Radio dot com.
You can find your local affiliate and hopefully maybe we'll
have three hours and they can run speak the final hour.
But as of now, we're on for two hours, and
that's two more hours of satellite radio than I was
on when I was at the other place, which is
all I've really at. One of the big things that
I wanted. I wanted to restaurant radio that's important to me,

(01:52:24):
Satellite radio that's important to me, on a on a
really good app that's important to me. Asking what's more
important that's like asking you which child you love more?
Maybe a little bit anyway, kidding uh Kenyan Martinal Jonas tomorrow.
Greg Olsen will joinas tomorrow. Really really smart guy, good

(01:52:47):
tight end Carolina Panthers. Gotta get his thoughts on the
UM super Bowl hangover, whether or not he thinks the
Super Bowl hangover does in fact exists. Yeah, all right,
let's get to the press depress to bring in Dan Buyer,
try and get through. I don't know. We've got six
seven stories here, Dan, let's go. Yeah, let's start off

(01:53:08):
with the NBA Finals because it is a topic we've
talked about the last couple of days. But Calf's coach
to Ron Lu confirming the team. We'll stick with j R.
Smith and they're starting lineup four, Game three tomorrow night
against the Warriors. Game is in Cleveland. Warriors are up
to oh. So don't change with j R. Smith. Good sound,
that's good sound sounded with playing um there's no I

(01:53:31):
don't I know what people say? Well, that means you're
panicking or changing things, like you got your ass kicked twice?
Why wouldn't you? You're trying to get j R. Going?
So how do you do it. Can you do it
versus the Calves starting line up, yeah, I mean versus
the Warriors starting life Yeah, But wouldn't you be better
off doing it with him coming off the bench? The
problem then becomes like you have all shooters off the bench,

(01:53:52):
and I mean because you know you have Kyle Korver,
Richard Jefferson not a great shooter, but is playing kind
of a stretch flour five roll, chanting fry like he
he does. He looks like every other guy they have
coming off the bench. So that's Tyron lou looking. I think.
My guess is that there will be times in which

(01:54:15):
they play slow. They can play extremely, extremely physical and
kind of try and make this into a Pier six brawl.
That's my guests. Nielsonud say, the first two games right
now the highest rated since the finals, nineteen point two
million viewers on average for the first two games. That
could always change if this becomes a runaway. No, but look,

(01:54:35):
it's it's superstar players, big names, NBA Finals, and we've
had bad playoffs and we've all hoped and there's been
a lot of build up for it, and they've done
a good job of setting the days and setting the
TV times like all that stuff makes sense. The problem
becomes that no matter how high the ratings are, if
this series is over early and all the other series
were over early, it's still a disaster for their rights holders,

(01:54:59):
and you're still going to have the worst regular season numbers,
because no matter how many games the Calves and the
Warriors lost in the regular season, we all thought, and
when it's all been paid off, that they were the
two best teams. Let's move on to the NFL. I
guess what we have finally heard from mars Shawn Lynch. Yes,
the Oakland Raiders running back speaking with the media. That's enough,

(01:55:20):
I mean, that's big enough as it is. But then
he revealed the reason why he came out of retirement
to play for the Raiders. He did so today apparently underwater.
What do you hear the audio? But you can hear
Marshawn Lynch right now knowing if they was leaving a
lot of the keys here probably off to see you know,
most of the us on the n A hometown on more.

(01:55:44):
We'll meet me from here. And he has an open
center there. You know, they get to see somebody guy
actually fitting from where they're from. Yes, so because the
Raiders are moving to Las Vegas. He wanted to play
in front of his hometown fans before they shott California.
I don't. I mean that maybe in bar Shaton's world
that probably makes sense. Um, in the real world, Raiders

(01:56:07):
are still gonna be on TV in Oakland, right, um.
And he was thinking about coming back before they decided
to move. There was rumors they were going to move
before they decided to move. My guess is he is
bored and there's probably not anything else in which he
can make this sort of money that he's making in
the NFL to play sixteen games and they could use

(01:56:28):
a running back like oh yeah. And by the way,
the timing wasn't bad with the with the team leaving
in a couple of years as well. By the way,
the Jets today released tenure VET linebacker David Harris. That
did so after practice dog as the two sides couldn't
come to terms and don't reduce salary. So Harris practiced today,
actually did an interview, and then the Jets brought him
in and told them that he was being released. Yeah.

(01:56:52):
But I mean, like, look, that's that's part of the renegotiation.
If you don't want to take a new deal, we
will cut you and um, I guess we'll see what
kind of leverage he has if he can get a
better deal than the one he was under when he's
with the jet and the jet stink, so hey, maybe
better off for him. Um ole Miss says they're gonna
contest seven of the twenty one allegations made against the
football program following an n C Double A investigation. Ole

(01:57:15):
Miss already had a self imposed bull band for this
upcoming season. The school says they're going to fight the
charges of lack of institutional control and they're also going
to fight the charges against head coach you Freeze, who
the school claims met all of their expectations, but ole
Miss yes, in hot water with the n C double
A boosters giving money, academic fraud could happen, but ole

(01:57:36):
Miss fighting back. Yeah, it's the The idea of lack
of introducing control is always interesting to me, Like either
you had control and you knew all these things were
going on and you allowed it to happen, or you
didn't have control and all these things went on without
your knowledge, which is actually worse. So this this all

(01:57:56):
obviously focuses among other things on Laramie Tuncil who two
years ago NFL Draft, the weed video came out where he's,
you know, smoking lead through the gas mask, which is
just a hilarious video. And then they asked him afterwards
like if you're then the direct messages to one of
his coaches pleading for money. Then they asked him about
afterwards and he's like, yeah, I was getting paid at

(01:58:17):
Old Miss. I mean, it's that's a pretty The Jack
in the Boxes Out of the Box Final one one
of my favorite stories I've read in a while. Philadelphia
teenager Johnny Eden Jr. Had the prom of all proms recently.
His mother, Saudio Shuler, spent over twenty five thousand dollars
on his prom. Now, Schuler had been battling cancer and
she said if she made it through her battle, she'd

(01:58:38):
spend whatever her son wanted. So he got three different suits,
three different luxury vehicles, three different dates, and a camel
all showed up to his prom in Philadelphia. Um, yeah,
twenty five thousand dollars to celebrate your high school prom.
I know she recovered from cancer and she made this
promise was in her deathbed. But this those are the

(01:58:59):
worst expect endatures in the history of the world. Like, dude,
all you need is I didn't even get a limo.
All you need is a good looking girl, a body
of a bottle of a mad Dog, and an R
and B mixtape. And that's which how you make a
memorable prom backing out there and pressed a camel, I

(01:59:20):
saw this thing, like people are lining up in the streets,
like sending the guy off, Like, dude, it's high school prom.
I'm sorry, that's like it's like one of your most
memorable Like this is what's wrong with us? There was
some humping on prom night. I guess there was. You're
getting on prom night is climbing onto the camel. That

(01:59:42):
is not a good prom night, so said the father
of two girls that are eleven, Kenny Martin greg Olson.
Tomorrow we'll get ready for game three. Hopefully we'll have
a series. If not, we have a blowout. This is
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