The Main Difference Between LeBron and Jordan

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Doug Gottlieb Show,
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Welcome in. We got a lot to get to. You'll
hear from Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Tyron Loew and guess
who else will hear from you? Yeah? Huge mistake, I know,

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but at some point we're gonna hear your opinion on
last night's NBA Finals essentially deciding game. There still is
a series to be played, There still is a Game
four to be played, potentially five, six, and maybe maybe seven.
But it sure felt like the air was completely out
of the balloon when the Golden State Warriors ended last

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night's epic Game three with a nine oh run. And
if you want to go that the Warriors ran out
of gas, I'm okay with that. If you want to
say that Kyle Korver missed the one shot he's supposed
to make, you had the you had one job, guy,
and he didn't do his one job, I'm okay with that.
If you want to tell me that Kyrie Irving shouldn't

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be settling for a three point shot instead should be
going to the basket, going to the rack down a point.
I'm okay with that, But I also would be okay
with you mentioning, look, I can't do it. I can't
do the Lebron James Michael Jordan's thing. Can we just
stop already? Stop? I made the right basketball play. Translates

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roughly into I didn't have the nuts to take it
and make it myself. That's the difference. He He did
make technically the right basketball play, and I've and I
will tell you that that's more the style of which
I used to play. But that's because I did not
have the ability to create my own shots, to create
my own destiny. What separated Lebron James from the other

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historically great players of the modern era Larry Bird, Magic Johnson,
Michael Jordan's and even Kobe Bryant. Right, he does everything
fairly well, but all of those guys would have said
exactly what Kevin Durant said. Remember Kevin Durant was down

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dribbling up the court, put the nail in the coffin
with a three point shot, and this is what k
D said about that shot. You know, I just wanted
to take that shot, you know, And also it was
a good time I mean, it was only it was
forty five seconds ago. We were down to you know,
if I missed, we could have got another stop. But um,
I'm glad I was able to knock that down. I

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just trying to stay disciplined in my shot home. I
followed through and uh it went in. So but more importantly,
we got two stops after that. So we gotta build
on that. But we gotta be better at game four. Look, look,
there's a lot to it. I mean, he realized time, score,
possession momentum. Lebron didn't pick him up early enough it
Once you get into your rhythm dribbling forward, treat a

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fast break three. That for an NBA player, especially arguably
the most skilled uh six ft eight and above player
we've ever seen in the NBA, more so than Durk Navitski,
for a seven foot player to come down and be
able to walk into a three. Even though Lebron's hand
did come up and did pressure the shot, the fact
that he didn't pick him up earlier when they did

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have defensive balance that was that wasn't as good a
defense as there could have been. But the difference between
Lebron and any other superstar is what Kevin Durant said,
I wanted to take that shot. I wanted to take
that shot, and Lebron I always falls back, and I
wanted to make the right basketball play. No, dude, go

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and take destiny by the hands. And and it's fair
to say Quarver, who has late leads the NBA and
three point shooting, is as good an open three point
shooter as you're gonna find. He had a fairly open look,
one that he'll probably make fifty percent of the time,
and he he missed it. I get to maker Misleak.

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I get that, Kyrie read you. His third quarter performance
was incredible. But we're measuring Lebron against the greats of
all time. And it's not that Jordan took every end
of game shot. It's not he happened to take the

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last one of his career. He happened to score, then
make two free throws, then get a steal, then make
the bucket. It was more of the sense. And this
is this is how basketball guys think and feel that
if you're the best player, you want the ball at
the end of the game and you want to take
the last shot. Results be damned, you know you're the

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best It's the I've said this on a on a end,
and everyone who knows me knows I couldn't shoot a
lick in college. But mem not be able to shoot
a lick in college is still better than you being
able to shoot in your mom's driveway. And so I'll
smirk it some of my friends, Hey, me, missing a
three is better than you making a layup, right, that's
the that's the arrog of I played you didn't. That's

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how you should look at Lebron James. Like if Lebron
comes down shoots and he's not as good at three
point shooter as Kevin Durant is. And it's one of
the things that's just hilarious about regular season stats and
people trying to tell me that Lebron is really a
good three point shooter now, like, no, he's not. Lebron
lacks this inner self confidence. It's just I explained it

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to you before the finals, and you see it come
out now. It doesn't mean he did anything wrong, but
he didn't take the risk of doing what was right,
which is, hey, you're the best player. You don't have
to shoot at three, put your nose down and get
to the rim. Make the revs call of foul they're
going to And whether it's it's that he's hesitant to
get the free zone line, which has him been great

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for him this year, or whether he's so consumed with
this idea that I know more about basketball than everybody else.
I'm gonna make the right play, even his coach. Look,
there's a when coaches say we needed to be more aggressive.
He's only talking about two dudes. He's talking about Kyrie
with a step back three and Lebron passing the ball.

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Take a listen. Will you happen with the shot selections
on the stretch there? We could have got better. Um,
we did a good job, was hacking to paint, you know,
all night and then um, you know they don't have
a lot of shot blackers in the game. They weren't small,
so you know, shots there are guys are capable of making.
But we should have been more aggressive getting to the paint. Yeah,
get to the rim, make them call a foul, get
to the cup. And they didn't. And so look, I'm

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not saying Lebron stinks. I love the idea. If I
said he was the second or the second best player
I've seen play in my lifetime. Somehow that's defaming Lebron James.
I've seen a lot of guys play. I'm four years old.
I'm watching a lot of hoop. That's putting him ahead
of Magic and Bird, which I'm not really sure I
would actually put them ahead of. It's just a really
hard comparison because the game is so incredibly different. Like, look,

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Magic could not shoot. He was not a good shooter,
had a little shot put three point shot that eventually
got to where he could make, and he wasn't nearly
as athletic at the defensive end as Lebron. But you
know what Magic did. He found a way, and Larry
Bird when he was healthy, found a way, and Michael
Jordan's found a way, and if the ball was in

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their hand and they weren't just out now double team.
I mean, the most famous shot in Magic Johnson's career
is a baby sky hook in the lane. Okay, he
goes into Boston Garden to get a huge win, and
I think a couple of those years, the Celtics didn't
even lose at home at all. The entire regular season

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didn't lose at home. If you go back and look
at Magic Johnson's baby sky hook, which essentially won them
an NBA title in the lane in Boston Garden. Go
back and look at the replay, and what will you
see the all times scoring leader in NBA history, Kareem
abdul Jabbar, wide ass open underneath the hoop. If that

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was Lebron James, he would have past the cream who
might have made it, or maybe the defense collapsed and
he went up too slow and he gets the thing
blocked or might have slipped out of his hands, and
Lebron would have said, that's the right basketball play, and
technically he's right. But Magic willed his way to winning games.
Larry Bird did the same. Kobe seemed to do the same,

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and I don't think Kobe is nearly as good a
player all around as Lebron James. And if Kobe had
the conscience of Lebron James, he could have he could
have elevated because Kobe had no conscious and Kobe of
course had shock and Jack was the three time Finals MVP.
But the bigger point is in basketball. In basketball, the
general rule is if you're the best guy in the court,

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you should have the ball and unless somebody comes and
double teams you, dude, go get a bucket. If you're
at home, drive the ball, get to the rim. Worst
case scenario, they call foul, you go in. You knocked
down two free throws. So if you want to sit
there on the island and say Lebron feel the best,
because that's the one you grew up with, that's the

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one you see. He puts up ridiculous numbers. That was
his fallback yesterday before the game. Hey I'm not tired,
I'm playing great. Look at my numbers. We judge you
based upon how you playing the fourth quarter against the
best competition and what you do with the game on
the line. He's been out shown in the fourth quarter

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by Kevin Durant, right against the best competition. When lining
up against Durant, like, I agree, I came into the
series thinking Lebron James was the better player. But through
three games, Kevin Durant has been the better player. Why
because I've actually watched the games and with the game

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on the line, Durrant has been better than Lebron has.
Do we need more information? Are we so prone to
not believe what we see what we read anymore? Were
because of news and the idea of fake news that
we can't even believe. We can't believe what we see,
Like I hear all this, like they're the most talented

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team we've ever seen. Like, no, they're not. Get out
of here are you talking about? They're an unbelievable they
have an unbelievable trio of shooters. Kevin Love disappeared last night.
Some of that was they didn't throw it to him
in the post, but a lot of that is that
he's shown throughout the series he can't score in the post.

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But this whole idea that the Golden States the most
talented team, We're like, what are you talking about? They
start Jaja Petulia at center. That's not the most talented
team I've ever seen. There's been plenty more talented teams.
But they shoot it so well, and when they don't
turn it over, they pass it well and within the
confines of the salary cap, and with two thousand seventeen basketball,

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they're incredibly dynamic. But their best play here says after
the game, I wanted the ball and I wanted that shot.
I wanted to make it and he did. Whereas the
Calves best player, who we were told it's the best
player on earth, says I made the right basketball play,
made the right basketball play. So, um, is there an

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obvious solution for the Calves in the future. I'll propose
it to Kevin Ding from bleacher Report, who covers the NBA,
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Let's welcome in Kevin Ding, talented writer. Used to work
in l A. Now he's gone national. He works for
bleacher Report and a couple of his latest pieces I

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think are fantastic. Kevin, First, your takeaway from Game three?
Like if you just like okay, when when I I
like doing this? Because what ends up happening five years
from now is we might discuss Kevin Durant shot. We
might discuss um, I don't know, Kyrie Irving stepped back
and missing, but usually it's it was a close game

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and Nino run, or it was the if it's a
sweep that ends up overwhelming us, we don't think of
the kind of the capsule of last night's game now
less than twenty four hours removed. Give me your thoughts, Yeah, Doug,
I'd say it's it's time to step back and dig
picture this thing and and say fifteen and oh in
the playoffs, if it is sixteen and oh, even if

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it's sixteen and one, that's the best the NBA has
ever seen. Um. And so we have to sort of
come to an understanding that this is this is happening
not because it's it's necessarily just too easy for the
Warriors with Kevin Durant. It's because they've done something really properly,
really well in messing a team together and and putting

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the egos together, plus the talent to uh to have
guys actually want to step in the rules. And and
you know what I wrote about last night was how
Steph Curry is doing all these little things, you know,
pushing the pace, getting rebounds, all these other things he
hasn't done in the past. And and that's how you
you put a team together that's gonna make history. Is
when the guys say Okay, I'm doing less of this,

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but what else can I do to make more of that?
And that's what I've seen from the Warriors. I think
we should maybe take a second and appreciate. Yeah, we
want competition in our games, and it was great to
have that last night, but we're seeing history here. I
agree with you. Know, it's funny. There are plenty of
people who are making memes and making fun of Steph
Curry for his elation when Kevin Durant came down and

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drained that three. But to me, that's the part which
which we don't talk enough about. Like here's a guy
who's a two time m v P. Who you start.
You got two time m v P and he's unanimous
m v P. We start putting you in rare air,
and he has the lack of ego to reach out
and go like, hey, I want Kevin Durant, who's probably

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a better basketball player, to be on my team. I
I think it's always something special in my work, in
your work, uh, in real life and in basketball when
you can take joy in somebody else's accomplishment. I just
I thought that spoke to who he is, who this
team is, that he's he is celebrating somebody else making

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the game winning shot without any without even even touch
He had no effect on that play whatsoever. That kind
of speaks to me on who Steph Curry really is. Yeah,
you're you're right, Doug. And if you if you watch
three play, like he was going up to set a screen, uh,
to help out on that play and Durant didn't need
it and just just took the shot and you know,
rendered Steph sort of useless. And and and instead of taking

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that as a slight, you know, he was all in
the moment for for for his teammate, for for having
that that that big shot and making the team better. Um.
And you know, I spent some time with Steph late
in the regular season, right at the time when Durant
was hurt and uh, and he was very clear about
what an enjoyable, meaningful season it has been for him

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and in finding other ways to to be a better
player and even a person as of you know, leadership
wise too, and figure out how his positivity and his
energy bring something special to to his teammates. And and
it's not just about the scoring binges from the previous
two seasons. And and so you know, might surprise people
to think that, you know, the guy dominated the world.

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You know, every kid wanted to be him for the
previous two years, so this couldn't be as good for him.
But in in a way it has been. He's found
a perspective, he was able to rest and past himself better,
that he was stronger for this time of year. And
you see the results and and uh, you know, if
we want to be be fair about it, then then

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let's be fair about it. He's come into the season
with a great attitude and he's getting his reward. Now,
let let me explain what I said to start the show,
And I want you wrote an article about Lebron needing
more help, and I think there is some validity to
that because Tristan's just been awful and Darren Williams looks
like he's washed. Um, but but my point to start
show Kevin Dean joining us to Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio.

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Kevin writes for Bleacher Report, Um, My point was that
if we're gonna judge him against the greats of all time,
I understand what the technically right basketball play is, but
you're dominating the game by getting to the rim. You're
you know, you're in the fourth quarter, Like, stop doing
this Lebron thing of being passive and letting other people
hit the game winning shots. Take the little by the

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fourns and get it done yourself like Kevin Durant did
where he just stops pops the three. Um his his
head coach says, he's not a STI Like, if we're
judging him against the Altar, the Larry Birds, the Magic Johnson's,
the Michael Jordan's, the Kobe Bryant's, those guys wouldn't pass
unless they were out now double team that he was not.
Those guys would force the action at the rim and

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he does not. Isn't that ultimately what separates and differentiates
Lebron from those others. Yeah, that's that's a tough one.
I mean, because he does need more help. Um And
and his two co stars are not helping on defense,
uh uh most of the game. And you know, the
casual viewer just kind of overlooks how how often Kyrie

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doesn't get back and get to his man or or
love doesn't help with the rim to even interfere with
with the drive and so so people don't notice the
things that those guys aren't doing. That Lebron is trying
to do at least in the playoffs, not as much
of the regular season. And and the thing is he
he holds himself accountable to being an all around player.
And the guy was tired last night. I mean, there's

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no question he he was fatigued in the second half. Um,
if you break down the numbers, he's been fatigued in
the second half all playoffs. And you can kind of
criticize him for that. I suppose that that he needs
to manage his own energy better. But he played heavy
minutes in the first first half again last night, and
and he paid the price. And so I honestly think

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to the answer your question, Doug, he was tired. And
then when you have that fatigue, you're more willing to
take the easy way out and and you know, make
your move and then check out to Kyle Korver instead
of pushing the envelope in and saying I'm going to
go all the way of the rim no matter what.
You know. It's weird though, but before the game he said,
when he was asked about being tired, he said, I'm
not tired. Look, I'm averaging a triple double again, taking

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the onus off himself and putting it on others. So
that was that was that was equally that that was
that was equally telling. All right, Speaking of you wrote
the article about needing help, doesn't the obvious solution come
in the form of Carmelo Anthony. I'm not a huge
Carmelo guy, but he plays the same position as Kevin Love,
and we've seen, based upon how little they've used they

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use Love down the stretch last night, how ineffective he
is in the post, and how the game is trending
to be a more perimeter game. Plus there's the we
want to play together, right, um, we want to play
together type of thing of of of Carmelo Anthony. I
know people are saying, you know, Paul George, but Carmelo
fits on so many levels. Isn't that the the obvious fix?

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If they can find a way to move Kevin Love
and acquire Carmelo in the off season, Yeah, um, I
think it might be a boost to chemistry for this team.
I mean, just because Carmelo Lebron are so close, and
there's that that deep desire for Carmelo to to win

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on a level he hasn't before. I think it would
bring something different to the mix that way. But to
be honest, Doug, I mean, defensively, Carmelo is really really
difficult to have on your team these days. And uh,
and you see how how much trouble the Calves are
having right now. It's trying to keep up with the Warriors.
So you put Carmel out there trying to chase somebody like,

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you know, a presumably three four guy like like around,
It's it's not gonna work. Uh, just like Love can't
guard him either. So you're you're hoping that Carmelo brings
so much offensive firepower to you that that it outweighs
what he's gonna cost you on defense. And I'm just
worried that that's not the way it's going to work out,

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and Lebron is gonna again have even more responsibility on defense,
with which he doesn't have the energy for. Last thing,
Kevin Dan who covers the league for Bleacher Report, does
an outstanding job. What does this do to the rest
of the league, because look, the Warriors aren't breaking up
anytime soon? I mean, the the only the first shoe
that could drop, I would guess would be Clay in

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a couple of years. Uh maybe right, that that's like
the only one. Assuming Kadie takes a little less money,
they keep most of the core intact, and they move
on and they still are in their prime and and
and they seem, uh, you know, focused on getting a
couple in a row. Does this make Gordon Heyward want
to join the Celtics? Does it make Chris Paul want

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to join the Spurs? Or is there the inevitability that
the Warriors are the best team and so you're better
off staying where you are and making more money and
just playing. Maybe they get an injury and that's where
you can get in. Yeah, there there is that an
inevitability for sure. And you could even sent it from
the Calves last night that what are we what are
we supposed to do? That this team is better than us?

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And I even heard from Calvs fans after the game,
you know, talking about, you know, almost a helpless feeling
like we played great and they're just better. And so
this is what everybody was fearing, you know, last July,
that this is the NBA was gonna be determined before
the season even starts. And we had a great regular season,
a lot of great individual efforts and competition. But now

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you see the power of what the Warriors have. And
let's be honest that they they could get a little complacent,
but they probably will get better because Durant is going
to get more accustomed to playing their style of game,
and so they'll they'll be more in tune with with
the way they want to play. And and that's the
ultimate here is the war is going to be even

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better in the next few years. And so absolutely the
NBA has to take a step back and say, well,
if this is our reality, then when how are we
going to entertain if we're not going to have that
kind of competition in the playoffs. Kevin Ding from Bleacher Report.
Read his article on Steph Curry and the little things
he's been doing and on Lebron James how this party

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could come to a crashing halt if he doesn't get
the help that he needs. Both those available at the
Bleacher Report. Of course, you can follow him on Twitter
as well. Kevin, thanks so much for joining us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Than all right, that's Kevin Ding
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we go. Doug Olive Show, Fox Sports Radio. I laugh
when people go like, oh, this is the most talented
team I've ever seen, really really like, look, Draymond Green
is a really important piece to what they do, Like
you put him on his own team and they're not
gonna even make the playoffs, Like he's the star, Like

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he's he's important then because he can guard five positions.
He's a very smart defensive player, can reband can do
a little bit of everything. They start ja ja pa
Julia at center. You know, Oh, Andrea Goodala is awesome
like now, Andregodala ten years ago was awesome now coming
off the bench. Thirty minutes, seven points, five assists, four steals, like, look,

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they got three great scores. Three. There is not that
much of a difference between the Calves and the Warriors.
The difference is Kevin Duranton has been slightly better then
Lebron James been much better than Lebron James in the
fourth quarter. Um, Clay Thompson has been better, especially in

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Games two and three, than Kevin Love and Steph Curry
has been better, you know, with the exception probably of
most of last night. I mean last night he wasn't great,
didn't shoot a high percentage, but again that that three
point shot changes everything. Kyrie was amazing through three quarters.
Third quarter was incredible, incredible. I mean, he had thirty

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eight the hard way, though, right, thirty eight with no
threes is thirty eight the hard way as opposed to
Steph who had like a bad twenty six. I mean
it's like, I mean, I thought Kyrie Irving for three
quarters especially badly outplayed Steph Curry. Step still end up
with twenty six points, and Clay had like the quietest thirty.

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Like no one's talking about Clay Thompson today. He had
thirty made six threes on only eighteen shots, also had
six boards, couple assists, and played really good defense on
a tremendous player. But this whole, like this is the
most talented team I've ever seen. Like, dude, let me
read you there. Bench David West who's like four or

(25:41):
five years past his prime, played his best game of
the finals last night. He had all three shots. Matt Barnes,
James Michael McAdoo, Javel McGee, Pat McCaw Sean livingston, Ian Clark.
Ian Clark didn't pe a drop last night. So you
you gonna have to stop the This is the most

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talented team i've They're just really really good, really good.
With their starting lineup. There three best players are hardcovers,
and everybody else finds ways to be in just the
right spot. Yes, Ryan Music, would you say that the
Warriors are the most dominant team that the NBA has

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seen if you combined their ability to utilize the three
point shot and the overall competition of the makeup of
other teams in the league. I mean, look in the playoffs,
they've been the most dominant. There's I don't think there's
any question about it. Um. I mean, like you, you

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basically have two m v p s and Clay Thompson,
who is probably the best I'm trying to think if
he's the best third option, he's probably the best score
scoring wise, the best third option in the NBA. Man,
look at these The problem is there's just a lot
of bad team this there's a lot of top heavy teams.
Um the the most dominant in the playoffs would be fair.

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It should also be pointed out that they dodged some bullets, right, Like,
they never played they didn't play the Thunder, they didn't play.
Nobody they played was at full strength. But like, look,
if you go sixteen and now in the playoffs and
which has never been done before, you are statistically the
most dominant playoff team in your in the context of

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your year. But I do I do think it's really interesting,
almost funny that people like, oh, this is the best
team I've ever seen, Like, did they start Josh Oppe
Suliots center? Come on, man? And I like JaVale McGee,
but he barely plays. What they've been able to do
is within the with within the context of this year,

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and within the way in which basketball is played now
and basketball is called now. They are they're absolutely set up.
But I've heard it's like, oh they would job, it
would the crap out of the Bulls, and like, no,
they wouldn't. The Bulls had three great scores, Jordan's pip
into a lesser extent, not as much of a score,

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but a top fifty player all time. Come on, man,
Tony coo coach. And they were built with great length
and versatility. Dennis Robin who is a better version. He
did everything better than Draymond Green with exception shoot the basketball.
And Ron Harper who does He is basically Sean Livingston

(28:32):
only good. And I like Sean Limingston, but John Livingston
was the potential for Sean Livingston when he came out
is the only reason, and his story is the only
reason we're like Sean. Sean Limiston just does everything he's
supposed to do. It doesn't do much. Ron Harper was
a hell of a player. And I haven't mentioned Kurd,
I haven't mentioned Luke Longley, some of the other guys

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they had in that sixteen on that team. I thoroughly
and I will point the other thing out. Um, I
know that this is this is what we're gonna do.
We're gonna look back or we go like oh is
the swave of Blood. And the first two games were
and if the the the Warriors don't turn the ball
over as much yesterday, what would been as well. That's

(29:16):
kind of who they are though. But I thoroughly enjoyed.
I don't really have a rooting interest. I did pick
the Warriors to win the series. I don't really have
a rooting interest. I thoroughly enjoyed last night, and I
enjoyed Game one, first half, Game two, first two thirds
of the game as much as any basketball I've seen.

(29:36):
The problem was it just got out of hand and
they just hit shot after shot shot. So are they
the most dominant music in the playoffs. Yeah, there's there's
no way to argue against that. But I think it's
more because of how basketball is played now and because
they're they're just there's a a match, a matchup, mismatch

(29:56):
the structural composition of the Cleveland Cavaliers. There's a design
flaw in it. Is there a better team if if
the Spurs stayed healthy with Kawhi Leonards stayed healthy, Are
they a much tougher matchup than the Cavaliers right now?
I don't know. I mean, like, look, because you could
have Kauai does seem to have the does seem to

(30:19):
have the conditioning and the scoring aptitude, and he's also
a better interior player, like a post player than Lebron Is.
Like he's a much better post player than Lebron uh
Kauai could be it could be a tougher matchup for
k D. But the but the perimeter um, the perimeter

(30:40):
is not as strong. What would be a better matchup?
I mean, like, look, I would have been interested to
see the Clippers. I know they've owned the Clippers, but
Clippers in the playoffs at full strength, like that would
have been That would have been interesting to me. We
just we didn't see Spurs at full strength. We didn't
see Clippers at full strength. We can see Clippers against
them at all, and we didn't see buckets and full

(31:00):
strength against him. Is there a better matchup? I mean,
that's part of the problem is they're still causing matchup
problems for everybody else. Is Fred Hoiberg going to be
the next head coach of the Ohio State University? Will
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(31:47):
do so by reaching into my sack. Let's reach into
godly sack. Steve Sager is uh in to find reach
into my sack. Whoa, whoa, whoa what he got there, Steve?
Good afternoon to you formally, John, What are we doing today? Games? Psychic? Psychic?

(32:11):
The game today? We're gonna gear you know what? I
know that? Yes? Do you have a show rundown? No?
Because I'm psychic? See okay? Number one Bruce Areas, Cardinals
head coach. So the ESPN he thinks that Carson Palmer,
if he wins the Super Bowl, well he has a
chance to make the Hall of Fame. Now eras are

(32:33):
quite different, especially with passing yardage. But already Carson Palmer
is top fifteen and passing yards and if he throws
for more than four thousand yards this next year, he
would get into the top ten all time. Question, will
Carson Palmer make the Hall of Fame? No? No, I mean, look,
I consider Carson Palmer a friend Orange County guy Santa

(32:54):
margu to high school. Uh, we gotta get him on.
He's got twin the dad of twins as well. Um.
I genuinely like the guy. First of all, he's been
a horrendous playoff quarterback. Okay, so the idea that he
wins the Super Bowl. He's been the playoffs twice and
he's been bad in both of the Like both games
with Arizona when they're in he was bad, man. I mean,
there's just no way around it. Um. Um when and

(33:18):
then he got yeah, he got hurt in when he
was in Cincinnati obviously when they're playing against Pittsburgh and
Kimo Van Ohoffen kind of rolled up on him right. Um. Secondly,
like the stats are are not really telling. It's not
the length of career, but also like he's the first
of these compiled a bunch of stats because he's in

(33:38):
the throwing era and he's got about five record career. Yeah,
I mean like some of that, I you know, like
you know, the Oakland thing obviously set him back. Uh,
Cincinnati wasn't really dedicated to winning a couple of those years. Um,
He's he's a very good quarterback. But unless you're the
Hall of really pretty good. He's never been a top

(34:00):
five quarterback in the NFL, not one, not one time. Um,
But like if he wins a super Bowl, Like, dude,
if he gets to an NFC championship game, which they're
not going to. I just kind of think the ship
has sailed on that team. Alright, let's get to the
Hoiberg name that you plugged. The Bulls coach, according to
CBS Sports quote, has emerged as a real candidate at

(34:21):
Ohio State. Of course, actually yesterday. Yeah, and then the
response to the Chicago Tribune was, well, anytime your name
is associated with a great job, it's an honor, Hoiberg said,
But I'm the coach of the Bulls and I have
no intention of leaving. I can go a step further
that Greg McDermott's name was associated with oh They offered
him the job last night, and he came out today

(34:41):
and said, no, I'm happy at Creighton. I'm staying at Creton.
Fad Monta had abruptly left this week. This is a
rich school, money to burn. Don't have a new head
basketball coach yet. Question, well, any of the guys on
these lists, you know, Sean Miller seems to have to
be interested, all of these guys. Will any of those
guys take the Ohio State job? And how soon will
the black guys hire someone. I'm surprised that that Chris

(35:04):
Holtman apparently may have passed on it. McDermott apparently passed
on I mean, they're they're gonna be down this year
with so many, so many departures and no chance to
get a recruiting class. But it is a really good job.
It's a top ten, top fifteen job in college basketball.
I'm stunned that, you know, they haven't Chris Mack wouldn't
take it, even though he's got a really good team

(35:24):
returning with Xavier. But um, look that the next call
is is you know Frank Martin, Like, that's a really
there's plenty of good options out there, So somebody's gonna
take it, and it's gonna be a really good job,
and barring someone completely butchering it, they're gonna be back
at top the big big ten that that monited a

(35:46):
good job. He faded late. They had all kinds of
issues with recruiting and defections, etcetera, etcetera. Uh, they'll figure
it out. But Hoiberg is the name that you have
to call if you're sitting a D, especially Geane Smith,
who's the a D who worked with him Maniowa State.
There was that connection back to the NFL New York's
Jets cutting veteran linebacker David Harris this past week. They're

(36:07):
gonna trade or cut veteran white out Eric Decker, a
quote obtained from Dandiel Jeremiah the NFL Network and NFL
Exact told him quote, I think the Jets might have
the worst roster I've seen in a decade. Question will
the Jets be the worst team in the NFL this year?
I think the answer is yes. Now. Like I'm not

(36:28):
sure if they paid attention to what Cleveland was thrown
out there at times last year, last two years just awful. Um,
But yeah, I think the Jets have gone into full uh,
going after Rosen, going after Sam Donald, gutting the team,
trying for youth, and then load up on draft picks.
I mean, look, this is what the Niners did last year, right,

(36:49):
Niners had all those guys retire new coaching staff. They
they flipped over their roster and they're probably still a
year or two away from being competitive. This is what
the Browns have done, Like it's their own version of tanking.
That's how you do it in the NFL. And time
enough for one more NFL story from Adrian Peterson. Now
Saints running back. He was asked about how long he'll

(37:10):
stick in the NFL. Having a little fun with the question,
he saw up on a scoreboard Steve Gleason's number thirty seven,
so he said, at age thirty seven, thirty eight, that
would be good, maybe forty something, approaching forty. It's always
been my mindset to defeat the odds, to be that
person to show the youngsters and the aspiring kids that
want to play football and just athletes around the world

(37:31):
every sport. Peterson says that it doesn't matter what people
say about you. Question, will Adrian Peterson still be in
the NFL at age thirty eight? No? No, He's barely
in the NFL now, and he's had multiple knee and
knee injuries. I'm intrigued to see what he does on
the fast turf of New Orleans. We talked with Drew
brees Or this week. If you missed that interview, you

(37:52):
can download the Doug Gotlip Show podcast wherever podcasts are available.
But time has not been Father Time's undefeated, and he'll
catch he'll catch up if he hasn't already catched caught
up to. Adrian Peterson is thirty two currently so that
is quite a distance in the future. Well, Mr Psychic,
there we go for this hour. That was Scott lead Sack. Yes, yes,

(38:15):
that was god leap Sack. Definitely a god leap Sack. Um,
we're gonna give you a chance to We're gonna chance
give you a a chance to share your thoughts on the
program of coming next hour as well. But I'm fascinated
by the what's next variety, you know, Like what's what
always is interesting is what do you do to fix

(38:38):
your problems? And I think some of what happened with
Cleveland was they fooled themselves. Like after they lost in
the first year, I thought, there's just no way. Kevin
Love was just not a great fit and he wasn't
really a great fit. Last year they didn't win because
of him. They necessarily win in spite of him. But
the idea that they signed him, um that they signed

(39:03):
him to a max extension, Like I mean, like, does
he get along with guys? Yeah? Is he good regular
season shooter? Can he can be versatile? Does he get rebounds? Like? Yeah,
But that's a lot of money to not have on
the floor. At the end of the what was really
the deciding game in the series, right, So what's the solution,

(39:28):
What's what's the quick fix? Because they're not in long
fixed mode. If you're the Cleveland Cavaliers, what do you
do the most easy and obvious decision. I'll share it
with you. That's up coming next on Doug Gotlieb Show
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(39:48):
on Fox Sports Radio. Give you a chance to contribute
to the radio program on a on a comy Thursday.
I mean, like, look, if sports is your rest, but
this is your day, right, Like I can't take it.
I can't take it. Eight seven seven six three six

(40:09):
nine eight seven seven six three six nine. I've told
you before. I like congruent arguments, right, Like an argument
that that works for one works for others, or arguments
that kind of work together. This is this is the
thing about Lebron fanboy guy, right or Lebron defender guy.
And I'm not Lebron hater. I'm like, like the only

(40:31):
realist here. I think he's great. I think there's that
one notable flaw you know what it's Lebron's like It's
like you remember um Mike Tyson punch out Raba Serrold
not remember my tested did you play? I did? Who
is your favorite uh uh fighter to go against? Do

(40:52):
you remember to fight Mike Tyson? Yeah, Mike Tyson. Punch
Out was a video game on Nintendo on the old
NS system, Right, I just played as Mike Tyson. No,
I know, but you would you would fight against even
remember the guys that you would fight against, that you

(41:13):
would fight, that you would fight on, the the different
characters you would fight leading up to leading up to
to to. I didn't think of an exact name of one. No,
but I do know that they all lost to Mike Tyson. Yeah,
but you can't remember any of them. They were really
weird looking guys a right, like really weird looking faces,
kind of like looked like they just got a jail

(41:34):
or something. Man, I just, um, what about music? Is
this too? Is it too old for you? Sorry? Yeah,
I'm looking up some names though, I mean, is it
Little Mac? And no? No, no. You had King Hippo
and you had a Great Tiger. Then you had Soda Papinski.
You had Bald Bald Bull, then you had Don Flamenco,
you had Mr Sandman, you had Super Macho Man, and

(41:58):
then you would fight Mike Tyson if you ultimately out
to fighting Mike Tyson. Right, So like this is it's
one of the most iconic video games ever. But see,
the thing was all of them, all of them would
have a had a notable flaw, right, they all had
a notable flaw. They would they would all uh. Mr Sandman,

(42:22):
um Mr Salmon had a different flaw than then von
Kaiser had. Right. Von Kaiser was the one with the mustache,
and I think his his mustache would like twitch side
to side right before he would and when his when
he would when his mustache who twitch, that's when you
would punch him. You had pistol Honda. Everybody had this

(42:45):
one move. Bald bull would start kind of bouncing around
and you could hit him in the top of his head,
not so you could knock him out. They all had
this kind of fee to complete. That's what Lebron James has.
Super Macho Man did the pectoral uh spin. He also
did the macho spin punch, which was devastating. Um Glass

(43:07):
Joe had the glass jaw, great tiger. You could see
when when the there was the reflection off of his
I think it was the reflection off of the the
stone on his turban. Yeah, everybody had kind of that one.
That one tell if you will, and Lebron's tell the
Lebron's fatal flaw that he's been over to overcome is

(43:34):
that he doesn't want to take the last shot. He
doesn't want to have the ability necessarily to create his
own shot if he can't get going downhill. But that's
not really his thing. That's on his bag, and some
of it is just a lack of confidence. It has
to be. That's the only reasonable explanation. But see Lebron

(43:55):
fanboy guy or Lebron is better than the Jordan guy
will say, well, he doesn't have the talent around him, right,
and you look at they don't have the town around Okay,
if he doesn't have the town around him, the same
Lebron fanboy guy, we'll say, well, you know, he's just

(44:15):
making the right basketball play. So if the guys around
him aren't good enough, why is he passing them the ball?
Like that's not a congruent argument, right, Here's Lebron. I
think it's just part of my call and just go
against teams that's in the midst of a dynasty. And uh,

(44:38):
you know this has been the best team in our
league the last three years. You know, like I said,
it's been times throughout my career while I've just played
teams that was just in the midst of something that
can last for a long time. And obviously this team
is built to be able to do that. With the
town of today. Have you know, we see what happens. Obviously,
you never know what's gonna happen, but as it stands
right now that they look pretty good as far as

(44:58):
the future. Yeah, it's it's always it's always interesting on
how Lebron he and they are the underdog in this series.
But this is the first series he's ever been an
underdog in. But I love how they're the underdog in
this series. And um, he's like, man is me to
go against these dynasties? Oh? I never held against him?

(45:20):
The not one, not to not three, not four A
Pepper rally. People say crazy things about Pepper at Pepper rallies.
They do. They say things about killing other teams and
guaranteeing wins and dropping the microphone. Every every high school
in America filmed their Pepper rally and tweeted it out.
There'd be a lot of people that were clowned because

(45:42):
of Pepper rallies. I don't care if they said not one,
not two, not three, not four, not five, Okay, don't care.
But like Lebron is, he's trying to start this narrative now, like, hey,
I'm a builder. I'm not a superteam guy. Super teams
are good, but I'm not a superteam guy. I like
to build. I'm Bob the builder. That's who I am.
Let's listen. Listen to Lebron James talking about build out.

(46:04):
He didn't do what Kevin Durant's doing. He's built his teams.
I don't. I don't think that our careers are are
the same as far as changing teams. You know, their
team was already kind of put together when I left
here to go to Miami. We had to build with something. Okay,
how accurate is that music? What do you think? Do
you think that's an accurate statement? I don't think so,

(46:28):
because I think that, yeah, I see the situations the same.
I don't see them as having to build anything. Building
something takes several years. He went there. As soon as
he got there, they went to the finals the first season,
So building something is like I mean, like, look what
what they did Miami leaving Golden State. There's two new
starters on Golden States team. They had to replace Bogan

(46:50):
and they had and they replaced um Harrison Barnes. So
it's a massive upgrade. People forget the Miami Heat wanted
championship with Dwyane Wade and Dwayne Wade got Lebron and
they got Chris Paul. They got two superstars at once.
And I will I can grant you that getting to
the finals the first year when they still kind of
were figuring each other out, it's hard. But let's not

(47:14):
act like, well, they built through the draft and there
was all these years. It was not like It's not
like what Michael Jordan did in Chicago right where he
he started with a team that was terrible and they
slowly made it into the playoffs, into the Eastern Conference semis,
into the Eastern Conference Finals, couldn't get best the Pistons
beat the Pistons, got to the finals, like where they
just climbed the ladder, like that's not what they did.

(47:36):
That's what they've done there. If anything, I would say
he built something in Cleveland, because that's the franchise that
was historically bad. They were nowhere near contention, let alone
even a playoff spot before he actually got there. And
then as soon as he got there, he orchestrated, Okay,
we're not keeping Andrew Wiggins. We're gonna go get Kevin Love.
And then they immediately became championship contenders. I think that

(47:59):
was actually building something that Miami thing wasn't building from
the ground up. Um yeah, I still don't even Like,
remember Cleveland was good when he was there, then they
completely gutted it and went super young and Kyrie wasn't healthy,
and he added Kyrie and they added Kevin Love and like,
let's go like they were competitive, right. It was very

(48:21):
it was It was kind of similar to the like, look, yeah,
Lebron James and Kevin Love to pretty much any team
in the NBA. Um uh yeah, I know. I I don't.
I don't buy the building thing. I just I don't
understand why there's not more. Hey, you know what I

(48:41):
probably should have taken. It wouldn't have been It's a
better me missing a shot in traffic is better than
other guys missing jump shots. Uh. So I don't know.
I I'm stuck on this Lebron thing. I don't understand
how you can convince people. Maybe it's because they didn't
live through Jordan. Maybe it's because too long ago. They
don't remember. They don't remember Magic, they don't remember Bird.

(49:03):
They some of them remember Kobe, but they remember Kobe
at the end when he was super selfish. He was
always kind of selfish, but he gets super selfish at
the end. But you know, like the thing about basketball
that is different than um, different than football, is you
can give the ball to your best guy and you know,
I'm just gonna go make a play. And I think

(49:25):
that's what Tyron Lew said when he said after the game,
he said this about being wanting to be more aggressive. Well,
you happen with the shot selections on the stretch there,
we could have got better. Um, we did a good
job was hacking to paint you know all night and
then um, you know, they don't have a lot of
shot blackers in the game. They weren't small, so you know,
shots there are guys are capable of making. But we
should have been more aggressive getting into the paint. Doug

(49:48):
Gottlib show, Fox Sports Radio. That's an indictment of the
shot selection of Kyrie and then the pass of you
know the past and passive diss of Lebron James. So okay,
So the question becomes, you don't you don't stand pat
when you lose. Right, nobody goes like, we lost, We're good.

(50:08):
The Warriors didn't, we lost, were good. The Warriors went out,
we lost. Harrison Barnes goes, let's go get Kevin Durant. Right,
that's what anybody does. And when anybody, anybody loses, you
take stock. You look around. I mean, when you get fired,
that's an l You look around, You take stock, You
try and wait and find a way to fix things.
So ah h oh I. I'm not a huge Carmelo guy, okay,

(50:38):
And I generally believe that Carmelo can be bad for
a team. But when he's played his best basketball, it's
been with USA Basketball, where he wasn't the leader, wasn't
the go to guy. And if it's firepower that they
need that Kevin Love can't provide. And there's always been

(50:59):
the room where he wanted to play with either Chris
Paul or with Lebron James. Those are the only two
team teams Calves and Clippers that he would accept a
trade too. Isn't that the answer right, like Lebron James said,
listen to what Lebron said about super teams and what
he thinks they do to the oh, he said, he

(51:21):
thought it thought it's good for the NBA. So like, look,
Lebron under he What I like about him is he's
really bright. He understands basketball. He also understands his legacy.
He's trying to set the triple double things important to
him because he wants to set the narrative when this
is over. Like, hey, they may have lost and gotten swept,

(51:41):
but he averaged a triple double right, like he was
still in the m v P discussion. And it's fair.
He hasn't been bet but he has not been good
in the fourth quarter. He had two really bad possessions
in the fourth quarter defensively, and has eleven points in
three fourth quarters and you know, did not score a point,
did not get to the free throw line in the

(52:01):
last three minutes when they were up nine points in
Game three, which is really the deciding game of the series.
He's got to go out and add more pieces, and
the most viable one to go out and get, and
a one that Lebron would be okay with, and a
guy who a team wants, his team wants to move

(52:22):
on from all of that, all of that kind of
culminates comes together, and U it's not crazy to think,
not crazy to think Carmelo could be that guy. So
Daniel Cormier is an fo D, a friend of the program.

(52:43):
He's facing John John Bones Jones. I gotta get his
sense of what Bones Jones is going to be like
when he finally gets back in the octagon. Well, last,
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All right, Oklahoma Sat guys gotta stick together. Daniel Cormiers.
We got him up on walls at Oklahoma State. He's

(54:08):
getting ready to be in the UFC to fourteen and
he's gonna get to Jon Bones Jones off the scrap heap.
Daniel Cormier joined just by the way. Let's let's just talk.
You can talk all sports. All your thoughts on the
finals last night in the NBA. Do you know what
what's up? Doug? First off, I want to tell you
welcome to the Fox Sports family. You know, we're happy

(54:29):
to have the great Doug got Leave radio show on
Fox Sports Radio. But the Finals was it was better? Sweet?
You know, I live up in the Bay area event
so it was cool to watch. But man, it just
kind of feels unfair a little bit that Cleveland could
play their best game and still not get it done. Yeah.

(54:50):
I guess my question is, like, I understand that Lebron
made the right play per se, but I don't know.
We watched Jordan, We watched Bird. We watched Magic and
yes they did make passes in in big situations, but
like there's just this this overwillingness to allow other people
to win the game for you instead of winning yourself

(55:11):
down the stretch. That's the part that's it's really hard
for us to for for to watch basketball and to
understand that, you know, it just seems like it just
seems like at the end of these games, when you
know Golden States just passing the ball around the entire game,
and Kyrie and Lebron and going isolation every single play,

(55:34):
at some point there's got to be some tread on
the tars and you gotta feel like, what if he
didn't know, What if he didn't feel he had one
big explosion left and he was like, you know what,
I'm gonna give my chance, the best of my team,
the best chance, and I think the best chances with
someone else. I don't know, Man, these guys he said,
he gave everything he had. Man, you know, I gotta

(55:55):
believe the Kings. All right, let's let's talk about to fourteen.
What do you what? What can you possibly expect from
Jon Jones? You know, I expect him to be great. Doug,
you know. I think he's a fantastic fighter, you know,
I just don't know how he's going to be after
being away for so long and competing now under the

(56:16):
U sad of rules. I don't know what to expect
from him in that sense. But I do believe that
he'll still be a great fighter. He'll be a confident fighter,
being that he beat me the first time. UM. But
he he needs to know that he's coming to Anaheim
to get beat. I know he's coming down a him
to get people. You mentioned that you sad of rules
suspended because of a p D violation, So how do

(56:38):
you like do you know, like when you go into
the octagon, do you know if a guy's been training clean?
You know, Doug, we we could never tell. Before the
UFC used to hire independent agencies to run drug testing. UM.
But the thing is now the the UFC doesn't oversee
the testing anymore. Who takes full control of the testing

(57:02):
as you saw us, So they show up any time
they want, Doug, you can be at home, you could
be you could be about to sit to dinner with
your family. You saw it shows up. You gotta get
up and give blood in eurine. You you are going
to be tested. There's not many ways to cheat this anymore.
So if you feel a guy was cheating before, you've
got to be pretty confident they'll be clean. Uh this

(57:23):
second time around, you mentioned he's been out. I think
I think what was it to April of sixteen was
his last time in the octagon, right, Like, like, what,
what is what's the longest layoff you have? You've ever had?
The longest layoff I've had was between UFC one A
one ninety two I think gustuson and um uh the

(57:45):
last one UFC two, So I was out from October
to July, So like nine months was the longest I've
ever gone without fighting. Okay, So what's the biggest challenge?
Daniel Cormier joining us getting ready for TO fourteen in
Anaheim at the Honda Center, going against Jon Jones, who
hasn't been in the octagon in over a year, suspended

(58:05):
due to PD violations. What's the what's the hardest thing
when you haven't been because you like you've like you've fought,
you've trained, but you haven't there's a is a different
level there. What's the biggest adjustment to live fighting? You know,
for me, it was it was the speed of the fight,
you know, obviously the crowd, but I think it's just
everything kind of feels new, Doug. You know I was.

(58:27):
I was in the back of the arena going, Wow,
this feels different. You know, I haven't done this in
almost a year. Am I gonna be able to compete
the way that I did the last time I was
in there? So uh, I think it will be the
speed of the fight that's much different, you know. And
and I don't know if John is a guy that

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trains all that much when he's in his off season,
So uh, if he hasn't been training for the last
year and he just is going to do a training camp,
then it's gonna feel real new to him whenever we're
going too the octagon. Now, look, you're also you're thirty
eight years old, right, and and you have that incredible
wrestling background even before you got into UH, into the UFC,

(59:09):
into Ultimate Fighting UM. And so I guess the question becomes, no,
he hasn't been in the octagon, but he's only twenty nine.
He's a freak athlete. He's got length on you as well. Like,
doesn't this simply come down to UH styles like whose
style prevails, that's who ultimately wins his fight. Yeah. Styles
do make fights. You know. The last time I fought

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him in a way that wasn't conducive to me winning.
I I was trying to fight hard, but I didn't
fight smart. But you're right, thirty eight doesn't feel like
I think you and I both can can't agree on
that one. You know, in the mornings are a little
bit tougher when you start hearing your knees and you're
back popping just by getting out of bed. That's a problem.
But I just continue to train, uh and get ready

(59:53):
to be smart. The physical attributes do favor John, but mentally, um,
I feel like I hold the advantages in terms of preparations. No,
there's no quite like dude at your age, with your
level of experience, Like, but but you you do, you
run the risk of It's like the Peyton Manning thing, right,
Like by the end he was so smart, but he

(01:00:15):
just he didn't he had no arm left. And I'm
just you know, it's like will you will you know?
Will you not? Yeah? I mean I get looked the octagon.
I guess you just find out the hard way, right,
But but that's the beauty. That's the that's the beauty
and sport. You know, like you said, Peyton didn't have
any arm left. It was gone. You couldn't throw them
all down the field anymore. But he was smart. The

(01:00:38):
sad reality of boxing and mixed martial arts is you
get your lessons, but your lesson isn't taught by getting
sacked a few times or not being able to are
throwing a few interceptions. Your your lesson is taught in
the most violent, brutal way. You know, you get knocked
out or you get finished. But I'll know, I don't
know when it's my time. Every day I trained, I

(01:00:59):
still feel like I can do this for a long time.
Um Ice bar younger guys, it's not my time yet,
Doug as you're yawning. Come on, dude, do you think
you're yawning on me? You're like, it's not time for
a nap. I am really tired. Hey, hey, hey, it's
like I need a nap right now. You know, five

(01:01:19):
PM supper? Yeah? Five? But the old the old people
special Okay. So, um McGregor fighting Mayweather is that good
for your sport? I don't think it's bad for the sport.
Because I believe that Conna doesn't have to win to win. Um,

(01:01:40):
if Conna can just find a way to stand up
for twelve rounds, right, Doug, When the judges get ready
to go to the scorecards and you're sitting there and
you're going, this is wait in me weather, anime fans
are kind of celebrating going wild. A guy with no
pro boxing experience just good for twelve rounds with the
boxer of his generation, maybe the best boxer of all time,

(01:02:03):
and didn't get knocked out. So in that sense, it's
not bad for the sport. Do I believe Connor is
gonna get out class? I do believe he's gonna get
out class just by not getting knocked out, it's a
win for him in the sport of mixed martial lust
you you said at a press conference you believe you
and and Jon Jones the two best heavyweights in the

(01:02:25):
history of your sport. With that mind, how important is
this fight for you to win? It's the most important
fight of my career. This one's about legacy. You know,
everything that I've done in this sport matters, but beating
the only guy to beat me is what's most important
right now? I've got everything else, you know. I've got
the belt, and I've got the fame, I've got the money,

(01:02:46):
I've got all this other stuff. All I need now
is to beat the guy, the one guy that beat
me that one night we competed. Once we do that,
we've pretty much done it all in the sport. I
will be there and people can too, because tickets go
on sale tomorrow. The fight is on July twenty nine
in Anaheim, California. Course that's right in the middle of

(01:03:07):
Orange County and give people all the great places to
eat in the o C as they get ready to
see UFC two fourteen. Uh. It's it's not overhyping it
to say Cormier Jones the two best heavyweights in the
history of the sport. Those tickets again go on sale tomorrow. Dania,
thanks so much for joining us. Anytime you're around in studio,
I want you to pop on and I appreciate you.
Welcome to me and uh to the Fox Sports family.

(01:03:30):
All Right's Daniel Cormier. Who man, I'm I can't wait
to see that fight. I've I've never been to a
UFC fighting person. They've been, They've been. I do know
like you go to like a Wild Wings and watch
it and there's a there's a different sort of crew.
But I have like the weird connections with with because

(01:03:53):
of the all the all all the great wrestlers that
were at Oklahoma State. I know some of some of
the guys um that obviously become fight ars. And then
there's so many of these gyms popping up, the Brazilian
jiu jitsu gyms, in the UFC gyms in Orange County,
where I grew up and where I live now that
you end up. If you're getting a protein shake, you're

(01:04:13):
gonna and you and you walk in and somebody's gotta
you gotta gotta tatted up arms a pretty good chance
you don't want to get them in the octagon. Right
up coming next, your chance to be heard on the
NBA Finals. Where are you on the Jordan's Lebron debate?
There's Kevin Durant, in fact, the better current basketball player

(01:04:34):
than Lebron, And are you gonna try and sell me
that you're turned off by the NBA Finals because the
Warriors are just that much better. We'll get to that
if we find out what's trending. Doug Got Leave show
Fox Sports radio. Let's give you a chance eight seven
seven six three six nine eight seven seven six three

(01:04:56):
six nine. What a great night in uh in the
NBA we had last night. It's we it We we
get lost in this all the time. Happens all the
time where we just get caught up in it's a sweep.
It's a sweep, and we lose track of who played well,
We lose track of. I mean, Kyrie irving in the
third quarter was ridic right. Lebron James was phenomenal until

(01:05:20):
he wasn't uh. And the ability for the Calves to
come from behind have that lead before spitting up the lead,
and of course the nine oh run to end the
game for the Warriors, that that part will be remembered
some mostly all anyone's gonna remember his quarter missing a shot,
Durant hitting a shot. But there's a lot more to

(01:05:42):
it than that. All right, Now, it's a chance to
express yourself. Time to express yourself. I express myself wearing
yoga pants called doug eight seven seven six three six nine.
The yoga pants are privilege on the right. Just remember that, kids,
Alan in Vancouver, you're on the duck got Lip show,

(01:06:04):
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, doug uh. Last night's game was
absolutely amazing. I almost decided to turn off the TV
because I thought the coverler is gonna win, but I
decided to watch the end of it, and I'm still
I can't believe what happens, what part, what part of
it is most indelible in your memory, probably Durant running

(01:06:28):
down the floor and just popping up three in lebronze face.
I thought that was a cocky shot. I thought he
was gonna miss it. But as soon as I went in,
I almost screams like a little girl. You almost screamed
like a little girl, like you must be so worn
out by it that you have no you literally know
your voice hasn't gone up, hasn't gone down at all.
That's that's kind of amazing. Thanks for the call, Alan. Look,

(01:06:48):
I don't know if listen to what Durant said, I
think this is really really telling. Listen to what Durant
said about taking that shot. You know, I just wanted
to take that shot, you know. And also it was
good time. I mean it was only it was forty
five seconds ago. We were down to you know, if
I missed, we could have got another stop. But um,
I'm glad I was able to knock that down. I
just try to stay disciplined in my shot home. I

(01:07:10):
followed through and uh, it went in. So but more importantly,
we got two stops after that, so we gotta build
on that. But we gotta be better at Game four.
I wanted to take that shot. I wanted it. I
took it. I stayed with my form, I held the
follow through. I made the shot, like you can remember
a lot of things. But when I hear Lebron saying, well,
I made the very basketball play, and I see Kevin

(01:07:31):
Durant saying, like, you know, and I just want to
take the shot, and I walked into a three and
he was late picking me up. August In Denver, you're
on the Dug Got Lip Show. Express yourself. Hey, Doug,
thanks for taking the call. Um. I will say that
last three minutes of the game last night was very discouraging. Um.
I'm not a Cavs fan, but I like good basketball.
I want a good long series. But I'm gonna watch

(01:07:52):
Game four regardless people who say that they're turning them
off because it's one sided. I don't know if I
buy it. Um, And I also don't think this series
is over just yet. I think, Uh, I think they
come back and win at least one. That's my day
on it. I think they'll come back and win at
least one. I mean, like, look, I said before last
night's game, like, it's not just if you lose, it's
how you lose. And I didn't. I do think Lebron

(01:08:13):
and the Calves. Uh, they did get more physical, they
did play with a ton of heart, a ton of energy. Boy,
that's hard to dial back up. And remember there's only
one day off in between these games, and we've seen
Lebron struggle to regain that that focus, that energy to
die back up. Whereas you have more youth on the
Golden State Warriors. Uh, let's get to m Brett and Honolulu.

(01:08:41):
You're on the Doug Otlib Show. Express yourself, Brett Hella, Hello,
how too? You know after the game, um, and during
the last three games, Uh, different sports announcers, sports shows,
its sound, they act like like someone had died because

(01:09:03):
of Lebron and and and the Calves can't get it,
you know, can't can't win one. It was just amazing
to me last night listening to all these different on
radio and TV instead of I don't know that just
sacted like there was some kind of funeral. I think
Pro Warriors fan ever since the late sixties and too

(01:09:25):
bad for Cleveland. That's the way it goes. You know, Friday,
they're gonna break out the Brons because it's over. Yeah,
but I think it's it's an interesting perspective. I think, like,
I can't speak for everybody, okay, but these people are like, oh,
it's just such a much better team. Like I remember
when the Lakers were way better than everybody else. And
I'm talking about when they had Magic and they had Worthy,

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and they had Kareem and they had Byron Scott, and
they brought like Michael Thompson and Michael Cooper off the
bench like they had a squad a squad, and there
was none of this talk of what we gotta even
these things out and and and maybe it's because of
free agency, and maybe it's because the money, but there's
not the depth of talent that other people see. They're
just a really, really good team with three tremendous shooter scores. Um.

(01:10:12):
I think why so many in the industry are bummed
out was because well, the rest of the playoffs are
stunk and the regular season obviously doesn't mean anything, and
so you put all your hopes into the basket of
an epic seven game series like we had last year.
And again we even misremember last year. Last year there
was only one single digit final uh uh score differential

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and that was Game seven. They weren't close games, but
I think the bum out was we thought we might
have a series and now we don't. We just have
a coronation. Joel in Kansas City. You're on the Doug
Ollip Show. Go ahead, Joel good Man. Hey, um. I
think that the thing is the Warriors have proven right
now that they are the best team in the league.

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And it's not even close. The Calves are eight, but
Warriors are just at an upper echelon that I feel
like no one's gonna reach for a long time, especially
with the youth that the you know that they have.
I think all the four stars are under thirty? Am
I correct? They are? Yeah, I mean it just I
think it just proves that, you know, I mean, we
the point where there's not a lot of parody right now,
and the Warriors are going to be that team in
the Western Conference. The Western Conference is great, but the

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Warriors are gonna be that team for the next four
or five years. They can keep that that team together.
And in the Eastern Conference, I mean, Lebron and the
Calves are still the best team in that conference. That
just shows you how much better the Warriors are right now.
I mean, going into Game four, I think the Calves
will have their shot. Obviously being at home helped, but
I think the Warriors will break out the brooms and
it's a suite. I think the I think it's done.

(01:11:43):
I think it's over, and I think it's just you know,
when you put that much into winning that game and
you don't and now you have a quick turnaround with
an older superstar, I just I don't see them down
and back up that energy. Whereas the Warriors, not only younger,
but motivated by what happened last year, they want to

(01:12:04):
get this thing done and look within the context the game,
maybe it changes, but uh, I don't know. Clay Thompson's
figured out his jump shot. They still haven't gotten a
still haven't gotten a breakout game from Draymond. Offensively, he's
just been okay. And I don't know where where else
Cleveland goes for scoring. They got that one big outburst

(01:12:26):
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(01:13:07):
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(01:13:28):
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Witlot filled in for Colin Cowherd. Colin was sick today.

(01:13:50):
Maybe you're sick because well, all his Lebron takes go
out the window, right. I don't know, but here was
we play a little game called what did the Fox Say?
What Say? Jason Winlock filled in and he had this
to say about Lebron and his ego getting out of control.
I am a Lebron James fan. I occasionally I criticized

(01:14:13):
Lebron James for his occasional missteps mistakes. No one is perfect.
But there's a reason why the Cavaliers are down three old.
It's because Lebron James's ego has gone unchecked for far
too long. This is what happens when you allow Lebron

(01:14:33):
james ego, or anyone's ego to go unchecked, unquestioned for
far too long. There are no perfect human beings, there
is no one above criticism. We've tried to push Lebron
James to that place. I agree. They're like, we we've
gotten to this point to where you're like, well, the stats,

(01:14:54):
the stats, the stats, the stats, what do you how
do match up your your He's actually guarding the other
team's best player, and the other team's best players is
besting him, and he's besting him in the most important
part of the game, the fourth quarter, and his team
is losing. Like what more do you need? Like you
could just keep making the well stats and this and that,
Like why are you creating an argument which has never

(01:15:18):
existed before? No one has ever said, Yeah, but you know,
the first three quarters, this guy was awesome. Have you
ever heard that? You ever heard that in football? Like,
you know what, though in the first half, this guy
is the world's best quarterback. That's like saying, Clayton Kershaw,
all we should remember is his the first six innings
of the postseason, Clayton Kershaw is unhittable. It doesn't work

(01:15:39):
that way. Now, that doesn't mean that Clayton Kershaw stinks,
but what has been missing is consistency and the ability
to finish games in the playoffs. What what has been
missing for Peyton Manning was like five record in the
playoffs and they won in spite of that because of
him even with the Denver Broncos when they won the

(01:15:59):
Super Bowl. And what missing for Lebron and this is
he's matched up against the other team's best player, Kevin Rants,
out playing him and out playing him in the fourth quarter,
and Kevin Rant's teams winning. You gotta make reasonable arguments.
And I would agree, like we've we've created this monster

(01:16:20):
of Lebron could do no Bron. Lebron is very smart.
Lebron knows Lebron and his teammates, and he's never wrong.
It's always somebody else. And so when before yesterday's game
when he said, hey, I'm averaging a trouble double, I'm
not tired. He's putting the blame elsewhere, and some of,
not all of, not all the blame he didn't get,
but not his fault Kyle Corms shot, and not his
fault that Kyrie Irving went one on one. On the

(01:16:41):
other hand, he could have taken the ball in the rim.
He could have demanded the ball from Kyrie Irving. He
could have come over and set a screen for Kyrie
Irving in order to get to get a different defender
on him. He didn't. Here's Nick right on the undisputed. Nick,
of course, has forever stood by the Lebron James the
best player to ever play basketball. Here's Nick defending Lebron.

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With three minutes left in that basketball game against a
team that I've been told is the most talented team
in NBA history. Lebron James had played forty three minutes.
The Calves were plus eight team in those forty three minutes.
He had rested for two minutes. They were minus twelve

(01:17:24):
in the two minutes he attempted to rest. And then
in the final three minutes, Lebron James did what he
does has done for fifteen years, made the right play
bound Kyle Corver for a wide open game clinching three.
Wouldn't have been a game clinching three, but he did
find Kyle corcor missed, Durant came down, and Lebron got

(01:17:47):
got you know, got caught sleeping defensively, he went under
under a screen in a previous possession. Defensively, like Lebron
cost him six big points with defensive lapses. And uh,
I wouldn't dispute that Kyle Corver was in fact open,
but it wasn't like he was wide open. It's a
challenge jump shot the Corver has got to make, and

(01:18:08):
part of me feels bad for Corver. But the the
Corver thing is interesting because it's a lot like the
Darren Williams thing. Darren william has been awful in this series,
and what happens is because Darren Williams, for his career,
has been a very good player. At times, he was
one of the top five point guards in the league.
Obviously looks a little bit washed up now, But we
all make the assumption that what you've always been is

(01:18:29):
what you're going to be at the highest level of competition,
and nothing proved that more than Kyle Corver. You can
make all the shots in the regular season in Atlanta
you want, but what do you do in Cleveland with
Game three on the line? You make it, you're a hero,
you you miss it. You're the guy who had one

(01:18:50):
job and failed at that job. And that's what the
Fox said. That's really kind of what it comes down to.
We just we make this dangerous, dangerous assumption that that
the guy that you are in the regular season, that
the guy that you are in the first half of

(01:19:11):
the guy that you are in the fourth quarter. That
doesn't work and so I mean, like Nick writes, guilty
of it? Wow, look what he did the first What
is a forty whatever minutes verse forty four minutes, forty
five minutes of the game. What do the last three?
Ron Harper joins this upcoming next you know what, We're
gonna talk about this at the Doug gottlib Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Area is no debate, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox

(01:19:40):
Sports Radio. It's no debate. Like, look, I grew tired
of the Michael Jordan would have done this and that
and the other thing. Michael Jordan was incredible, but what
made him a champion was his willingness when double team
late in the game to find a teammate he could
always score. He needed to try us the people around him,

(01:20:01):
and they need to put the right pieces around him.
But what I saw last night is a continuation of
what I've seen throughout Lebron James's career, which is he
doesn't trust his jump shot and he trusts others to
do his job too much so, and there's a there's
a balance there, Like you want guys to take the

(01:20:23):
right shot, but at the end of the day, I
want the guy who's considered one of the five best
players of all time when in doubt, I would take
a questionable shot from him as opposed to a semi
open shot from Kyle Korver. What's the point of being
in seven straight NBA finals if that experience doesn't allow

(01:20:45):
you to understand where you can get to and how
you can make a shot. I mean, I thought there
was actually some criticism from Tyron Louke. Take a listen.
This is Tyron lou after the game when asked about
the shot selection in those last three minutes of the game.
Were you happy with the shot selections on the stretch there?
We could have got better? Um, we did a good

(01:21:06):
job attacking the paint, you know, all night, and then um,
you know, they don't have a lot of shot blackers
in the game. They weren't small, so, you know, shots
that our guys are capable of making. But we should
have been more aggressive getting to the paint. Yeah, stop
passing the ball out for three point shots. Drive the ball,
get to the rim, make somebody foul you. It's almost
either he's playing to not get fouled or he's falling

(01:21:27):
back on the well. I just want to make the
right play, So meanwhile, like Tyrone was like, we should
have gotten to the rim. Listen to Kevin Durant. This
is that Honestly, this is the type of alpha that
Jordan was, the type of alpha the bird that even
Magic Johnson was a great pastor. Like Magic took big
shots when not double team. Take a listen to what
Kevin Durant said about his big three point shot. You know,

(01:21:49):
I just wanted to take that shot, you know, and
also it was a good time. I mean it was
only it was forty five seconds ago. We were down
to you know, if I missed, we could have got
another stop. But um, I'm glad I was able to
pu that down and just trying to stay disciplined in
my shot home. I followed through and uh it went in.
So but more importantly, we got two stops after that.
I got for I wanted the shot. I made the shot.

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Let's welcome in an NBA champion who was a great
score early in his career and became one of the
most versatile offensive and defensive players during the During the
greatest part of the Bulls Run, Ron Harper joins us
on the Doug Gotlin Show. Ron, how are you hey,
Doug How are you doing today, Buddy good Man, you're
a former Calve as well. Um, I'm I'm wondering your

(01:22:37):
thoughts on how that game ended between the Warriors and
the Calves last night. Well, I left the game was
about eight minutes to go in the game because I
knew Taylor was not going to get their game. What
are you saying to go to State team? It had
a great year. They ain't got no ballplayers. State four

(01:23:00):
guys who can score the basketball and in all night long,
Cleveland can't have a world point these five point lead.
You need a teams trump point point League will be
playing that team that taker score fast. All right. So

(01:23:21):
I've made the case before. Like you'll hear people talk
about one of the great Bulls teams, you're on the
the six team won seventy two games, didn't lost game
six in the finals, end up winning against the Seattle
Super Songs. I pointed out what people miss about that
team was defensively, you guys would be great even in
this era because of all of the versatility. What are

(01:23:43):
your thoughts on comparing your great Bulls team with this
Warrior's team? Uh? Great run are interchangeable guys, That's the
Carbon team I played on, we was very interchangeable, be
as Scottie m Jay, myself, Tony couco Man. We had

(01:24:09):
guys to guard four guys to five guys, so we
wasn't a bad beef of the team. And I always say,
but you can't hand check in this day game. We
had guys who put the ball on the floor too.
I mean we may not shot at many three that
they shot, but if you miss eight ten shots playing
our team, and you're gonna be down ten twelve points

(01:24:30):
easily because we can score the basketball. If that's all
we cared about, We're gonna score the basketball. It not
like today game is we're gonna shoot thirty five five three.
That's not our game. We're not gonna be all didn't
try to shoot that and we and we had the

(01:24:51):
greatest prayer of all time. And he makes sure he
will will you to win. That's what he do. He
will will you. It's it's amazing to hear you talk
about it. And I've said it many times, like and
I have I have a I like I like Lebron.
He's incredibly versatile, incredibly talented. But there is this weird

(01:25:12):
thing about how he'll he'll differ in big moments. You know,
I want Lebron James and high school. I know my
high school. I like in my high school. The best
part about Lebron James James, he's a facility. Later m J. Kobe,
they could close the game, They're gonna close it out.

(01:25:34):
You ain't them guy gonna shoot the battle. But definitely
want Lebron game or Lebron game, Lebron Dame game. To me,
it's like Oscar robertson Magic. He can do a lot
of great things, but he ain't gonna close all the game.
It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not Aim not

(01:25:57):
gonna heal. It's just who he is. Yeah, but I
I guess I struggled because even Magic would close some out.
Remember in those series against the Celtics. He's gonna try
to close you out. Listen, Lebrons will close you out
at some time too, But he's not gonna do it
all the time. This not not. He's going to make

(01:26:19):
the correct the correct play. Now, if you want a
guy who's gonna make the correct play, are you want
to God to going to close the hey? Now? Yeah,
you're trying to find yeah, I I tend to. I
tend to. I mean, I don't know, just like you know,
growing up in basketball my whole life, I'm I'm I'm
more give me the guy who wants who has that

(01:26:41):
Kevin Durrett mentality. You know, I wanted that shot. I
was willing to take that shot, and I made that shot.
And I understand that there's flaws to that. I there's
a there's a downside of that as opposed to making
uh making the great play. Um, well, well you're gonna
look too on that. On that Cleveland team that time,
they've been playing all year. They play us efforts style.

(01:27:06):
They play a draw and kick game. But you play
a good state boys. They have four guys who's suiting
at shoot him in hot for in front. The three
cleaner guys don't shoot that high. They have a shot
the three point good, this hole fars and so will

(01:27:31):
you drive the ball, shoot the hole and you lay
in a ball game and you up all three points
four points, you got to make the oath. It's a maker,
make a call, you know what I'm saying, go to
the fine that's and that's a sential with Tyron, lou
said after him can't let you go with that asking

(01:27:52):
about Firestone Country Club. Of course Tiger back in his
heyday would dominant, would dominate that track. It's in Akron, where,
of course you call home. The Bridge Stone of Invitation
was coming up there in August. All all anybody wants
to know is do you take money off m J
when you play at Firestone? No player is a very
good player. Uh usually lay on the same team. So

(01:28:16):
we're okay, okay, that's good. Hey, Ron, great catching up
with you and always respected your game. Thanks for joining us.
That No, that's no problem to all right. Ron Harper
Jonius on the Doug Gotlip Show he loved with eight
minutes to go. He's like, that's a wrap, dude. Wait
you you missed the end. You missed the end? Ron?

(01:28:39):
Almost you leave early, guy? Or you stayed till the
bitter end? Guy, I'll stay to the end. If yeah,
I'll stay to the end. I like to watch the
whole game. We talk about basketball or just any sport
in general. Whatever, dude, I stay to the end. Yes,
to the bitter end. Remember Ron Harper up the Lakers
win a title too, so he was a well versed player.

(01:29:00):
On Ron Harper was Ron Harper's tremendous, but he had
like there's like two different Ron Harper's. Right. There was
Ron Harper early in his career with the Calves, and
he had a devastating knee injury. He was he averaged
over twenty games, one of the bright young scores when
Jordan was first coming up as well um and then
kind of he remade himself into this versatile Phil obviously
loved him because he knew the triangle and feel like guys,

(01:29:22):
this is where Phil was ahead of his time, right,
D'Antoni was ahead of his time with the number of
threes that they took, and you could even say that
that Don Nelson was ahead of his time playing small
ball like these guys. But where Phil was ahead of
his time was finding versatile, long armed defenders the Pippins,
the Harper's, the Rodens of the world that could guard

(01:29:43):
inside and out like Phil Jackson and Jerry Krause, the general,
the late Jerry Krause recently died. Those guys are ahead
of the curve in terms of understanding versatility defensively was
better than just the ability to defend one one position perfectly. Music,
what about you you leave early, guy, are you? And look?

(01:30:04):
Leaving early in the NBA Finals is different than leaving early,
you know, Like, but are you a like first sight
of trouble? You're like I would, I would say traditionally,
I've always been stay to the bitter end. I did
go to a Dodger game earlier this season. Well, your
Dodger game, you have to leave early. It's almost as
if there's something wrong with you, like you have a
communicable disease if you stay later to that game. Yeah,

(01:30:28):
so I'm always stay till the bitter end. But the
one Dodger game I went to earlier this season, I
did leave early. Now were you with somebody else? And
they're like, yes, the girl, the girlfriend wanted to go,
she wanted she was done, checked, her dad and her
brother had the tickets. They invited us to go, And uh,
I'm personally, as you know, I'm not a Dodger fan.
So I was perfectly alright with leaving earlier. Music well

(01:30:49):
plus plus you know she likes to throw down, and
they stopped selling beer at the end. That's exactly she
She actually didn't know that over over, yeahr out of here,
this joint. She was cursing. She you know, here's what
really happened, Ramos, she got kicked out. Yes, that's what's happened.
That's what happened. I mean, you know, between flashing the

(01:31:12):
players and given the security of the middle finger, you know,
I didn't think that was all. That stuff was out
of line, the cursing with kids around us. Yeah, that's
what we had had enough. Yeah. Yeah, when she when
she started the fu kershaw chance, I thought I thought

(01:31:32):
it was I thought it was too much. Well, the
weird thing was when her dad started chiming in on it.
You know, have you ever been to a game with
somebody to which they act wildly inappropriate and they're like
a completely different person. You're like, what, No, I've never
personally like, we've all seen the person, but I've never
been associated with them. I am, I have never listen.
I am. I do not. I don't I watched, I

(01:31:56):
probably don't. I don't get into games. It's hard. When
I watch a game, I'm really watching watching, and you
know we're watching in with your son. It's different. You're
kind of like teaching stuff. When you're watching baseball, you're
having more of a conversation, and I have some friends
that play. I usually only go to games in which
my boys playing. UM. When you go to an NBA game,
Like when I went to Game one, like I was
really I was really kind of taking in everything I

(01:32:18):
saw and having kind of conversation about things that I
like and things that I saw. But I'm I like
yell at a ref guy in a professional sporting event.
It's just so weird to me, like that these people
come out like like excuse me, like what is the
I don't know, They're just there are people and that

(01:32:38):
it's almost remember these slide to alone movie I can't
ask music, he's too young. Remember slidice alone? UM movie
Ramos over the Top, Over the Top where he was
the arm wrestler, the arm wrestlers, a truck driver arm wrestler,
and when he turns his hat to the back, like
he was like a different person, right, Like there are
people like that in life where they're like very very normal, like, oh,

(01:33:00):
ye're good, are your kids good? You wanna get a drink?
Want to go to the game. Okay, we go to
the game, we sait down and go are your suck
rap I tefitie? Then you your pump and You're like, Wow,
what what just happened? What just happened? What happened to you? Oh? Man?
Um are super teams good for the NBA? Lebron chimed

(01:33:22):
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(01:33:44):
Doug Olive Show, Fox Sports Radio. Is an Iron need
to Walmart? You guys know the Iron need a Walmart?
You know Walmart started out, don't you? Guys? And music?
Do you want to venture? I guess how Walmart start? No? Um,
let's see, some people want to discounts on a lot
of stuff. I have no idea. That's uh, that's interesting,

(01:34:09):
U Ramos. You want to take a more reasonable um uh,
more reasonable guests, They're just people wanted to have low prices.
So a man decided to start a place that had
very low prices. You guys don't get out much to you.
I honestly don't understand what. There was originally a store.

(01:34:31):
I believe it was called Walton's in um Bentville, Arkansas.
And uh, I mean they started kind of as a
mom and pop sell everything shop, right, and then it
expanded into where they were these box stores, um, and
you could you know, Walton Enterprises starred Walmart, and they

(01:34:53):
expanded to where you know, they could instead of going
to one store, you could go to all the stores, right,
and it was like you were selling and they would.
And it's even overseas where you were kind of selling Americana. Right.
But Walton started in Bentonville, Arkansas, and it was a
five and dime store, which is like five and dime
is like today's dollar store kind of thing. You can
buy anything in it. The irony to Walmart now is

(01:35:15):
it's so big and so all consuming and you go
to the Walmart superstores and having lived a good and
push to my my adult life in Oklahoma, like a
Walmart superstore you can literally get everything in there. And
with the exception of buying a car, there's nothing you
can't get inside a inside of Walmart. Like you can
get your food, you can get your you know, all
your furniture, you can get bikes, you can get whatever

(01:35:38):
you want. Um. Anyway, Walmart superstores have made the old
five and dime Walton's type of stores obsolete, Like so
the the what they have created out of a mom
and pop shop, eliminated mom and pop shops. Now mom
pop shops are popping back up because it's more about

(01:36:01):
service now. Because anything you want a Walmart, you can
you can order online, or you can order on Amazon,
and pretty student drones will drop it off at your house.
So if you're gonna go out of your house, you
need somebody, you need more service oriented. I think Ace
Hardware does a really good job of that. But um,
the bigger point is that they like, there's always been
this thought in business. And I have actually have a

(01:36:23):
marketing degree. I went to business school and I chose marketing,
ironically enough, because I didn't want to do written presented
I didn't want to do an extra semester stat I
didn't want to do an extra semester of finance. I
wanted all oral presentations marketings like all oral presentations and
theory and case studies, which are fascinating. But one of

(01:36:43):
the things that they believe in business is this idea
that the more competition the better, right, Like more competition
is always better. That's a that's a business idea. And
so this what we have now goes kind of counter
to that, like, we don't have this the NBA is
not competitive right now, Well, you can tell me when

(01:37:06):
it's not true. But the fact is we've had the
same two teams in the NBA Finals three consecutive years,
right and you know, barring some sort of uh calamity,
the Warriors are going to be close to or we'll
be back again next year, right like they unless they
decide Kevin Rant decides I want every last penny, which

(01:37:27):
I don't feel like he's going to decide. I think
he's going to take a little less and try and
keep them together. You get this feeling they're going to
be here. You get this feeling the calves are going
to be there. And so yeah, if you look at
the NBA in terms of wins and losses, what the
Western Conference had five teams over fifty wins, two over sixty.

(01:37:49):
Eastern Conference had three teams over fifty wins. You can say, well,
there's you know, there's some pretty good decent parody at
the top. You got a bunch of teams clumped around
them at all. You know, you've got like twelve teams
and around forty two wins, which is up. And then
you've got some bad teams at the bottom. But the
truth is that there's not parody. There's not there is

(01:38:12):
not mass competition, because mass competition is supposed to bring
out the best in everybody's supposed to make your service better,
your prices lower. But we don't really have that. From
the business aspect in terms of this sport. This goes
counter to what we're told as good business. Having one
dominant team, having a monopoly is not good for business.

(01:38:37):
Let's see what Lebron James has to say about super teams. Great.
I mean it's great for our league. I mean, right now,
look at our look at our TV ratings. Uh, look
at the money our league is pouring in. I mean,
guys are loving the game. Our fans love the game. Listen,
I mean it happens since sports. You know, you can
have an opportunity to sign one of the best players. Uh,

(01:39:00):
and you can do it. Go ahead and do it.
Why not if I become an owner, I'm gonna try
to sign everybody. It's funny. Um, hey, Lebron, you could
have actually taken less and signed everybody. But that that's
kind of beside the point. You know, you make like
fifty million dollars outside of your actual contract. You could
have done these things previous to it, but instead you
put the onus on your your your owner. Um Lebron

(01:39:25):
is kind of conflating three different things. First question, is
it fair that the Warriors added Kevin Durant? Yeah? Why not? Right,
you'll lose the NBA Finals you want to add a
better piece? Harrison barnes out Kevin Durant in fair like
fair doesn't have to exist in sports, but by the
letter of the law, absolutely fair what they've done. On

(01:39:48):
the other hand, he is relating the Warriors and their
dominance to TV ratings, which don't actually exist, and then
he's relating that to the money that the all making
from the collective party agreement, which has nothing to do
with the current state of the NBA. Bron James is
really really socially very bright and he knows how to

(01:40:11):
put smart people around him. He's no he understands how
to lift up his guys so that they that they're
in all different champions of business and all different things.
But this is a guy that doesn't understand business. The
ratings are not great, and more than anything, if this
series ends up in a sweep it is a disaster
of epic proportions for one of their rights holders, and

(01:40:32):
the rest of the playoffs are a disaster of proportion
for their other rights holder. The value to the NBA
is not in one well rated game. It's in the
volume of games with decent ratings in the regular season
and the volume of games with great ratings in the postseason.
And if the Warriors go through in the Western Conference

(01:40:55):
and in the finals and only play sixteen games, ESPN
has sold ads for games that didn't happen, they're screwed.
And more importantly, the companies and the ad agencies that
by time are screwed. And so ESPN is gonna be
doing make goods running ads on Monday Night Football that

(01:41:16):
they owe for for the NBA playoffs and NBA Finals,
and it all eats at their bottom line. Now, that
won't affect the NBA immediately, right like those guys that
they're they're getting their check from ESPN regardless, that doesn't
really matter. But when you add on to the fact
that you're now having more players sit out games to

(01:41:38):
rest their bodies, when you're having less competitive games in
the regular season, when the regular season matters less because
we're seeing. Hey, the Calves didn't didn't play hard in
the regular season. They got to the finals fairly easily.
The Warriors only won sixties seven and they got to
the final super easily. Like all of the messaging is
regular season doesn't matter. And then you have more games

(01:42:01):
on now than you've ever had before. Like you can
tell me, hey, man, I'm making all this money. But
there is a there is a light at the end
of the tunnel, and it's a train coming. And so
while you might say, hey, you know, Super Team is
a grateful league, look at our ratings, dude, this is

(01:42:25):
a four game series. ESPN is pooping their pants over
the fact that they may be done with NBA basketball.
Friday night. Oh yeah, by the way, Friday night not
a good ratings night. It's bad, bad business. It doesn't

(01:42:45):
mean that they did anything wrong, but the trend that
they're going, there's two or three or four things working
against the league. Yeah, all right, so much to get
to today. Julian Edelman um is up for a contract extension,

(01:43:07):
but we need hear contracts extension and the New England Patriots.
Things can get kind of wishy washy. Find out that
they locked him in after we find out what's trending
Doug Gotlip show Fox Sports Radio a lot to get

(01:43:27):
to up coming. We've gone through Ryan Music's girlfriend, her
drinking problem in games, cowered out with the flu today. Boys,
I don't know if you guys. So I we're broadcast
on broadcasting day from beautiful Central Connecticut and uh doing

(01:43:48):
so because I haven't seen the family and like a
week and a half. And I got a call, like
early frantic call earlier this morning because Calhard was sick.
I was like, dude, I'm I'm on the wrong side
of the country anyway. Uh, we'll see was he really
sick or was he avoiding? Was he avoiding all of
the answers because he's he has proclaimed Lebron James the

(01:44:08):
greatest player of all time? And now there's a lot
of backpedaling got leaves putting the conspiracy theory out there
on count know. I just you know, like he's been
texting back and forth with me all day, so he's
obviously good enough. Like how sick do you have to
be to not do sports radio? That's the one thing
I've never I've done their fifteen years, I've never missed
a radio show. Now there will be people say you

(01:44:30):
should have missed radio show. You were just bad that day.
That'd be fair. It's fair criticism. Um, but you gotta
be really Apparently he was coming out at the front end,
not the back end, but he was. He was puking.
I just I can't remember the last time I puked.
And then of course there's all the different words for puke.
There's puke, barf, boot, wretch, up, chuck, vomit, scream at

(01:44:55):
the payment ralph, uh, cry to the porcelain, god right,
object real? Yeah, it's boot is the Canadian one? Did
you boot that one? Did you boot? Uh? What do
you mean? I want boots that were sneakers? Now? Did
you throw up? Oh? Yeah, yeah, throw up. Let's get

(01:45:16):
to the press, the press. Steve the segar joined us.
Let's see how many stories we can get to in
five minutes. What do you got for me, Steve? And
how many other adjectives we can get to the list.
I believe you forgot the word jets. That would be
another jet is for throwing up. Yes, the jets. I
didn't know. I've never heard that. Yeah, well that's gonna
be part of the what part of the what part

(01:45:37):
of the country mostly boom. Let's let's get to the press. Okay,
that was really really quite terrible anyway, Sorry, yeah it was.
It was Jets Patriots in the news and yes, multiple

(01:45:59):
report say they and wide receiver Julian Edelman have reached
a two year extension. That means most of the Patriots
receivers are signed for multiple seasons in addition to Rob
Gronkowski and Tom Brady on that roster. Look, the Patriots
are this is this is interesting territory to the Patriots.
It feels like they know they got like a two

(01:46:21):
year window of making making a Super run, right, so, yeah,
they want a Super Bowl and won won a couple
of years ago. Uh, they locked up Gronk to a
new deal that that is more it's just more of
an incentive package to go along with this old deal
so that he doesn't hold out. They basically trade away

(01:46:41):
most of their draft So for current NFL players, it's
just like they're not in development road right now. They're
holding on to their backup quarterback just in case Tom
Brady gets hurt rest to miss a game or two.
Like it feels like the Patriots know, like we got
like two, three good years and then we're done. Wouldn't
stun me if when this run is over, Belichick called
their career as well anything else. Yeah, story too. On football,

(01:47:04):
Veteran wide receiver Jeremy MacLean has left Baltimore without a deal,
but the team announced he could still sign with the Ravens.
Macklin spent a couple of days visiting with the Bills
this week, but left there on Wednesday. Yeah, I'd be
weird if one of these teams came out and said, like,
we think Jeremy Maclin is a starter. We just don't
think he's a starter here, right, That's what happened with
Colin Kape. Yeah, yeah, what does that mean? Well, Pete

(01:47:26):
Pete Carroll's like, well we think he's a starter. Okay,
so you don't want to sign him his back up? Like, no, no,
he's a starter. But talking there's aup that and you
know players in Buffalo, we're trying to get the team
to sign Macklin. Really, no signing with Buffalo, No signing
with Baltimore. Remember when he was when he was in Philadelphia.

(01:47:47):
Sean McDermott was in Philadelphia, when MacLean was in Philadelphia,
McDermot was a defensive coording or didn't go well, he
replaced Jim Johnson, didn't go well, He goes down to Carolina,
reinvents himself and now he's the head coach and essentially
the act president of the program. And Baltimore has Marty
morning Weeg who was in Philadelphia onto Paul George. What
about his trade value? The ringer says that value is

(01:48:08):
limited by the belief that he'll just sign with the
Lakers eventually. Anyway, Paul George grew up a Lakers fan
in the Greater l A area. Is that the team
is that the reason teams are unwilling to pay a
high price for Paul George if there's a trade this summer. Yeah,
I think that's you know, it's pretty obvious that that's
that's the reason you wouldn't pay for it, right, Like,

(01:48:29):
why am I going to pay for a guy who's
gonna go elsewhere? Anyway? That's right there, yawning at the prospect.
Now that what Daniel Cormier was telling me how young
and verreau he is, and then all of a sudden
heawned too. It can passed along. One other NBA story
about Lebron James now that he's almost been swept apparently
has been swept according to some of the shows I've heard,
if Lebron chooses not to resign with the Calves when

(01:48:50):
he opts out of his deal next summer, The Ringer
says they've spoken with multiple NBA sources who believe the
Clippers and Lakers are both quote liable destinations for Lebron
in the future. I would love to see it. It
would be amazing to see him play for the Lakers,

(01:49:11):
right And I do think that he could. I do
think that he could leave home because he returned and
won a championship, But like, what if they don't win
win again next year? Like, I just don't know how
that works. Back to burning the jerseys again, I don't
think they burned the jerseys, but I do think it
would leave him in a weird place. He look, he
said he was gonna come back win a championship. He

(01:49:31):
said it's about more than basketball. He's he's he's fulfilled. That. Um,
the Clippers thing is weird because that's what has long
been rumored, right him, Carmelo at all the all the
Banana boat Crew, Dwyane Wade will be up next year
as well. Chris Paul could still be there, like maybe maybe,
but I don't know. Guys, when he comes down to

(01:49:53):
at some point, you know, your wife goes like, you know,
I don't really want to move to the Addison Russell story.
The young Cub short Stuff today denied an accusation of
domestic violence against his wife amid a Major League Baseball
investigation into that possibility. There was a post on Instagram
where Russell's wife accused her husband of cheating and implied
that the couple was breaking up, and then there was

(01:50:15):
a comment related to the post from someone apparently her friend,
that accused Russell of physically abusing his wife. Mm hmm,
he's false investigating. He's not in uniform today and he
and he vehemently denied it. Right these says it's false
and hurtful. It's an allegation. They don't have no further comment.
End quote. Yeah. I mean the whole thing is ugly,

(01:50:38):
with the social media and the cheating and the that's
a it's bad to start with as a bad bad deal.
Like I get that she was mad and she probably
has every right to be mad. Uh, but putting him
on public blast ends up opening a whole new can
of worms. Who that just like that? That's all different

(01:50:59):
kinds of ugly. Also in the world of baseball, the
Undefeated Astro's picture nine and o'dallas Kaiko back on the
d L with a neck injury, and this Twitter study
on tweeting about a no hitter does not jinks. The
no hitter commenting on its progress has no impact. Sports
techie summarized that with all the info and data out there,
Twitter discovered that there were actually twice as many no

(01:51:21):
hitter mentions during roughly the first six sittings during a
successful game than one where a picture eventually failed to
complete the bid. So the end story, tweet all you want,
it does not negatively affect the chances for a picture
to throw a no no. And as far as an
announcer saying that Vince Scully himself, who probably called more
no hitters than anybody, used to say the words no

(01:51:41):
hitter during the broadcast, there's no jinks unless you're actually
sitting next to the picture in the dugout. There's no
jinks unless you say something at the same time as
a friend, and then you can do jins. That's right,
that's the right, that's the right, Jinks. Um look here
people still believe this, though. The Angels announcer refrained from
saying no hitter on the air, which is stupid. Rory Marcus, No,

(01:52:05):
the late Rory Marcus not with us anymore, Victor Rojas.
Victor Rojas, I honestly I didn't um okay, so he
was a great guy, and I'm happy to mention his name.
Uh No, Like the Twitter thing is odd because like, look,
I use Twitter. It's a great news feed. It can

(01:52:27):
be good for interacting with fans. But let's be honest,
like one per cent of fans are actually on Twitter
and like Twitter connecting a story about Twitter not being
not having a real Twitter Jinks is the most Twitter
thing ever. Yes it is. And finally, from associated pressure,
beloved producer found this too. Chimpanzees have been denied the
legal rights of people in New York. An attorney for

(01:52:50):
the Non Human Rights Project had argued to an appeals
court this spring that caged adult male chimps Tommy and
Kiko should be granted a of habeas corcus habeas corpus.
You know, it's unlawful detention, that type of thing to
try and get him out of the primate sanctuary of
the trailer lot where they were. There is no precedent
in New York law for considering a chimp as a

(01:53:13):
legal person or a wookie. Apparently, Um, they throw pooh. Okay,
at the end of the day, it's I cannot grant
the same rights as a human being to a monkey
or a chimpanzee because they throw pooh. And that's the
press backing out there and pressed the press. It's like,

(01:53:35):
I have an incredible dog. I have a sheep of doodle.
His name is Odell Beckham Jr. Jr. And you're like, oh, like, oh,
he's just he makes facial expressions like human and he's
like yeah, and then he licks his growing Then you're like,
maybe he's not a human. He's got terrible breath. One
because he licks growing in. Two because he never brushed
his teeth, because he's a dog. End of the day,
he's a dog. In the day, they're chimpanzees. They're super

(01:53:57):
super interesting and they're smart fort chimpanzees. Um, Twitter war
sort of. It's next on the Doug got Lip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. I got right, here's just three to

(01:54:24):
one coming up. Friday in the Dug Got Lip Show.
Coming up today in the Doug got Lip Show, break
out the Brooms. That's because Cleveland needs themselves a sweeping.
I'll get you ready for Game four of the NBA Finals.
Two time NBA champion and the father of probably another
two time NBA champion, Michael Thompson, father Clay, will join

(01:54:45):
the show. I'll ask him if he thinks Clay will
leave and join the Lakers, whom he broadcasts for. That's
only on the Doug Got Lip Show, only on Fox
Sports Radio, Doug Got Lip Show, Ox Sports Radio. I
wish I had something to tell you to watch in

(01:55:05):
sports tonight, right, I mean music and I are actually
celebrating cause the Angels won a game and they won
a day game, so we we can check out, right,
NAT's Dodgers, that series is over. It's like, is there
hockey to nine? There's Hockey Night, isn't there? All right?
I'll watched the Hockey Night. I've I've watched the previous
games if they've been hockey hockey. Yeah, it's Game five, right,

(01:55:26):
deciding Game five and then like it's it's the two two,
so like Game five swings the series. Um, it's completely different,
like it looked like it looked like penguins in a
walk in Pittsburgh couldn't have been more opposite. In Nashville,
everybody's getting very upity about who sings in national anthem? Like,
are you kidding me? Right? I didn't love the Santana

(01:55:55):
National anthem in and I like Santana, and I'm sure
there's a lot more skill to play to playing a
guitar for the national anthem. Didn't love it. But people
are like, how do you can have the lead singer
from Train like that? He's actually Trains kind of a
big band, kind of big Huey Lewis will sing it
if they go back for Game five, I'm guessing who

(01:56:16):
sings to night in Pittsburgh? Do you have any idea
We've done any research. I've done zero research for anything today. Alright,
good is very very true. While the cats away, the
mice shall play. But you have been on Twitter, right,
so I believe we have a Twitter war one two,
three four, I declare a Twitter war. All right, Ryan,

(01:56:37):
give me the Twitter war that you think exists that
you want to you want to pitch me on. It's
not a full Twitter war, but we have the first
The first shot has been fired. Baron Davis, longtime NBA
player at Baron Davis on Twitter tweeted out just a
couple of hours ago, Derek Fisher and Matt Barnes undercard
for Floyd and Connor. Time for d Fish to get

(01:56:59):
his issue. You messing up the homie credit like that? Um,
I'm I think the homie credit it's because Okay, So
if you didn't know, over the weekend, Derek Fisher flip
the car he was driving with Matt Barnes ex wife
in it, right, and they were lucky, They're fine, they
walked away, but he got arrested for d U. I
that's not good. Equally not good. The car was registered

(01:57:21):
to one Matt Barnes, so I think he's talking about credit.
I think he's talking about his insurance, right, Isn't that
that has to be it? Right, because if even if
you're not the one who crashed it, the cars registered
into your name, you have to have insurance for it.
So I'm guessing that's what it must be. Yeah, I don't.
I mean, I mean, maybe you have Baron Davis come
on and translate to this, but I don't understand that

(01:57:43):
Twitter lingo. Uh, time for d Fish to get his issue.
I don't really get that to to get I mean
for Matt Barnes to smack him around again. That what's
gonna happen. Do people in the NBA hate Derek Fisher?
That's what it seems like. I do not think he's beloved,
but like, look, you can do a lot of things
you he can't sleep with. Remember, he was accused at

(01:58:05):
first when he was with the Knicks of messed around
with one of his players girls, and then when he
returned to l A. Now he's with Matt Barnes X,
which I don't actually think is that big a deal,
but you know, like did he was he supposed to
call Matt Barnes and get clearance first. Matt Barnes is crazy.

(01:58:26):
I mean, like with this is he's certifiable, so that
would be a guy. But you know, like if it's
really love, it's really love. Yeah, I mean, Matt Barnes
is certainly the one guy where I'm not I'm not
trying to get involved with that. Him. DeMarcus Cousins like
those are real talking about real tough guys and fake
tough guys. I'm pretty sure those are two really. You know.

(01:58:48):
It's funny though, I ran into De Marcus at at
Catch l A, which is a new restaurant. Um. They
have one in New York as well. I happened. I
was with a friend as DeMarcus is there, and you
know me like I've I've crushed the Marcus first behavior
in the past, and I know he's I know he's
evolved a bunch and so like I was an avoid him,
I actually went over his table, sat down, we talked
about ball a little bit, and he was he was cool.

(01:59:10):
I mean, he's um. I think he's a little bit
different than the perception. And I think I look, there's
a saying Matt Barnes. I just think there's a there's
a very quick trigger anger switched there with Matt Barnes,
and like when's the mother of your kids? I get
that it's a little bit different. Uh do Well, Tomorrow

(01:59:30):
could be the last basketball game of the basketball year,
and if you're a basketball guy, that's a sad moment.
And if you're not a basketball guy and you're a
football guy, I guess it speeds you up sort of
towards the NFL and towards college football. But it's like
it becomes Dog Days and an NBA draft in baseball.
So don't we all want to want the Calves to

(01:59:52):
bow up. We'll find out how much is in their
gas tank, maybe how much is in their hearts tomorrow.
But Ron not better than Jordan. This is the Doug
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