The Draft Is About Possible Trades Not Prospects

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that show that's up at seven o'clock Eastern time by

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Chris Bruce Sard and by Meta World Peace. The story
is supposed to be. It is supposed to be about
the prospects. They're long, they have upside, they have potential.
Who could be a superstar star? What about fit reach

(01:11):
for a need? Now, all the classic draft day terms,
but that's not really the story today. Right, Let's take
an honest look at what really matters in the NBA
winning a championship or even getting to the conference finals.
And you tell me where the young players are, they're
not there. Like Pat McCaw was the only young player

(01:32):
to get any sort of burn for either team in
the NBA Finals. He's the only one. The only reason
dijon Ty Murray got some run from San Antonio Spurs
as a starting point guard was because Tony Parker got hurt.
How that worked out for him, and I do think
Murray has a lot of potential. The fact is that

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the guys in this draft are a perfect embodiment of
what's so flawed about the one and done rule, what
no one is willing to say about the one and
done rule. We had no idea. We think it could sense,
but it's so early, and there's not the massive following
from many of these players because well, the number one

(02:14):
likely number one pick didn't even play in the n
c A tournament. They have been there long enough, we
haven't gotten a chance to have them be a thing.
So tonight is about the draft, but it's really more
about the league and about players who are good but
on bad teams or teams that aren't achieving what they
think to be their potential. Tonight's draft is not about

(02:41):
Mark hell Folts. Maybe a little bit about Lonzo Ball
and Daron Fox and and what guy, what point guard
do you think gives you the best chance to win
big maybe? But tonight's about LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul George Christoph's
for zingis players like DeAndre Jordan's. So while we're hyper

(03:14):
focused and look, I'll take your calls if you want
to talk about some of these college guys and get
my thoughts on each of these players eight seven, Fine,
we can do that, But that's not what tonight's about.
Tonight's about what Jimmy Butler be traded. The manipulation, the

(03:36):
manipulation of the salary cap. Would you trade a player
to get a couple of players and to dump a
salary like That's where it gets super interesting. That's where
I'll watch because otherwise it's just conjecture about players who
even people like me who have studied it for fifteen years,
I can't tell you that I have zero doubt even

(04:00):
in players that I really really like, the level of
competition is so much better. They are so young, they
are so early in their development. Well, you don't know
truly their work ethic, not just their work ethic, but
their work ethic when ah, when they get money in

(04:20):
their pocket. Oh he's a great worker. Yeah okay, but
that's when he has nothing. What about when he has something?
And oh yeah, by the way, you're not really going
to have an effect on the league. So I look
at the seventies six Ers, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Knicks,

(04:41):
the Kings, the Sons, and I think it ain't about
these guys, It's about who might be moved. I also
think the part of the part of the prosingist thing
which is amazing to me is how few people have
actually watched the Knicks play this year because they were
so bad. I would challenge you to tell me that

(05:03):
you've actually watched an entire Knicks game. The answer is
probably probably haven't. Well, I saw a person his highlights
and he's awesome and he's the Unicorn, Like, yeah, they
call him the unicorn. He does have some awesome skill,
he does have some incredible traits. But people are losing
their mind because of what Phil Jackson said on Madison

(05:26):
Square Garden Network that's MSG network last night. Take a
listen to this Q and I we're giving calls. Um,
you know, as much as we value Chris stops and
you know what he's done for us. When a guy
doesn't show up at an exit meeting, everybody starts speculating
on you know, the duration or yours in moveability from
a club. So we've been getting calls and uh, you know,

(05:50):
we're listening, but we're not tregued yet at this level.
But as much as we love this guy, you know,
we have to do what's good for a club. Yeah.
He went on to say, like, look, you know, two
players and a draft pick you have to take a
long look at. And oh yeah, by the way, if
you're not showing up for exit meetings and then you're

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not showing up, you're not even owning up to why
you didn't show up for exit meetings, then we don't
think you're in it long term. You don't. We don't
think you're in it for the like you really want to.
Everyone says they want to be a leader, I want
things to be better. Well, you've got to be part
of the process, especially when you're averaging eighteen points a
game and you're twenty one years old. So I like prezingis.

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But if somebody says, hey, you can get a starter,
a draft pick, and a role player. I gotta take
a good long look at it, especially when I'm New
York Knicks. If the Knicks can also dump Joe Kim
Noah's contract, Like, look, the Lakers wanted to move off
D'Angelo Russell. They were okay trading D'Angelo Russell, but the

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impetus behind the deal for It's sent D'Angel Russell to
the Brooklyn Nets was they got rid of one of
the two awful kind of got rid of Timothy Moskov.
That was a bad contract for them, which frees up
space for them next year to go after Lebron, James Russell, Westbrook, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,
who are going to be free agents. They weren't ready

(07:20):
to give away D'Angel Russell. They want to see what
Russell would do with whoever they draft at point guard,
and Russell could play some point guard like they weren't
selling low intentionally, but hey, dude, if you're gonna you're
gonna take Maskov's contract as well for an expiring contract
in brook Lopez coming back home, Like, I like that.

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So the NBA draft is taken on kind of a
weird turn. It's no longer really about these players. Instead,
it's about what these players are worth in terms of
trade value, and maybe more more more along the lines
of it's really only telling us more about the NBA
offseason and what's bound to happen. Will Paul George end

(08:06):
up with the Lakers tonight? Will LaMarcus Aldridge, But LaMarcus
Aldridge wants to be traded and they want to trade him.
Talk about a marriage that has not worked. Pretty interesting.
Chris and Missouri're on the doug Otlip Show. Go ahead, Chris,
doug what's going on? Man? Hey? This draft is full

(08:28):
of pretenders, whether it's the trade bait, I mean, the
trade guys that everyone keeps talking about, our lifetime losers
that don't have in any NBA title experience. So why
would you sell the farm to get up Paul George
who's running on a boumb knee, LaMarcus Aldridge that's on
his last tank. I mean, this is just a sad

(08:49):
state for the NBA in my personal opinion. Well, Kevin
Duranton had never won anything, and then he went to
the Golden State Orders and he did win something that
was inevitable with George Kyrie, Kyrie iring and never won anything,
and then Lebron James joins him, and when healthy, he
wins a championship. Kevin Love won a championship last year,

(09:10):
Paul Pierce, Paul Pierce, Paul Pierce had never won anything,
and they get Kevin Garnett and and Rayal and now
of them had won every one anything, and they get together,
they win a championship. Chris Paul and Chris Bosh should
never want anything in Toronto. Then he goes to Miami
and plays with Lebron and with Dwayne Wade, and he
wins a championship. You're telling me on LaMarcus aldro Is

(09:30):
getting traded to the Lakers is like an automatic win
next year for that, I don't. They're not trading, They're
not The Lakers aren't trading for him. I think it's
I think it's very interesting though, that that the San
Antonio Spurs expended so much money, so much to their
resources to go and get LaMarcus Alters two years ago
and two years in there like this ain't working, and

(09:51):
he's like this ain't working, and I would agree, like, look,
I think part of his the league has changed. Part
of it is he hasn't evolved. There's nobody He's not
really a center. He's not really a power forward in
the way and where he scores in the kind of
the mid range. He only goes one way. Uh. He hasn't.
He hasn't shown great toughness and leadership. Uh. I'm not
saying that LaMarcus Aldrich makes you a championship team. I

(10:13):
think it makes tonight much more interesting than than players
who are a year or two years away from being
the top ten or even fifteen at their position. That's
how young and immature the players are in terms of
what they'll ultimately be. I get it. I just guys
like Jimmy Butler. To me, that's someone you can't bring

(10:34):
out a team and go we're gonna win a title.
Jimmy Butler. I appreciate the call. I mean, if Jimmy
Butler's your best player, maybe you won't. But if Jimmy
Butler's your second yr third best player, you change your tune.
I love the idea of a well, the guys never
never won before, Like all right, I just kind of
went through guys that never won before, and they go
somewhere with better players and then they win, right, and

(10:58):
Kevin rant not good and pressure situation, well, the pressure
is not as much because he's got guys around him,
like really, because he kind of played awesome, kind of
played awesome. He shot fifty five and he was better
than Lebron being guarded by Lebron. And last year this

(11:20):
time you would have said not good in a big game,
and this year's like, pretty good in a big game.
I don't love I watched prezingis he don't play great defense.
He's not a great player. Yet I think what Phil
Jackson is doing is in fact smart, and I will
never understand, never understand how fanboys take players side all

(11:45):
the time. What was he needed to show up for
an exit meeting? Even if he didn't show up for
an exit meeting, I'd be okay with it if you
owned up to why you didn't show up. Copublicans say, look,
I was mad. I was thought the season was a
dysfunctional disaster and I helped contribute to it. But tonight

(12:07):
is not about the prospects. Tonight is about what the
prospects can get you. Joel Embid tweeted out, we don't
care about exit meetings in Philly, You're welcome to join.
By the way, I love Joel Embid, but they haven't
won anything, right, He's not healthy enough to play an
entire season. So I love embiid on Twitter and like

(12:28):
it sounds great. And I have no idea Phil Jackson
has a plan or if this is planned C or
Plan D or what's going on. But I don't think
it's crazy when you don't have players and you're gonna
have to trade Carmelo Anthony because he's not going to
come back to say, hey, you know what if we
can get two players in a prospect for prozingis and

(12:50):
we get another couple of players for Carmelo Anthony, Like
what the hell are we doing? Let's go do it.
Let's push refresh and let's get this team young environrant
and try and make this thing over again. Tons of
stories to get to Derek Carr got paid? What it

(13:13):
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Chris Bruce sar joins us up coming next, we'll ask him,
Paul George La Marcus Aldridge, Um, there's got there's gotta
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NBA Draft show, catch me my friend Chris Bruce Starr
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first round. That's me, Chris Bruce Sard Metal World Piece
seven o'clock eastern right here on Fox Sports Tradier speaking
of Bruce Hard he joins us Now um, Chris, I
believe that tonight is not even about the draftees. I
mean a little bit about what the Lakers do it too,
but it's it's more about the possible big names that
are traded, as we've already had, like Book, Dwight Howard's

(15:47):
a big name. He might not be a great player anymore,
but he's still a big name. If you had to bet,
the biggest name that will be traded tonight is who, um, well,
the names out there we know, LaMarcus all Dredge. I
don't think he gets moved because San Antonio is trying
to move into the top ten or even five, and
I just don't think all Dredge gets you there. Um

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So I don't think he'll be moved. Paul George obviously
a possibility, but I think he'll be a pacer by
the end of the night. I still think he winds
up in Cleveland ultimately. Um then we've got Chris Stops
for Zingis, Kevin love Is tied in with the with
Paul George, Chris Stops wor Zingis would be the most

(16:32):
likely big name. I think it's going to get moved,
And what I'm told is that Phoenix is the least
likeliest place landing spot and Boston is the most likely. Um.
I do think if he gets traded, he's going to
the Celtics. And they have so many assets. Now what
they're trying to do. They're trying to get another first

(16:54):
round pick. I mean as if they don't have enough,
but they're trying to get another one so that they
can offer the number three pick this year Jalen Brown,
probably Jay Crowder and then another first round pick. That's
a heck of a hal for Christopher Porzingis and knowing
that the situation with him and Phil Jackson neither one

(17:16):
of them is happy, that could get it done. And
you could see him on the move. And I gotta
tell you, I love that for the Celtics. I love
it for Celtics, and I don't hate it for the Knicks.
I don't. I mean like and there, because they're going
to have to deal Carmelo Anthony soon as well, right
like they can't. They're insistent, they're insistent that they're going

(17:36):
to trade him, like it's not, well, you gotta wait there,
like we're trading him and if they can't get him,
so now they I've been told they're not gonna buy
him out. But a lot of people around the league
think it is going to come to that, because if
Melo just says, look, I'm not waving the don't trade cars,
I don't care what type of deal you come with,
then they would almost have to buy him out. You

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certainly don't want him there around these young players. It's
already ruined your relationship with Porzingis, and if you bring
in other young players and they see the same thing,
it's gonna have the same impact on them. So yeah,
I'm with you. And now here's my my problem with
the Knicks deal in Porzingis. I don't I don't know
how high you are on him, but I'm very high

(18:20):
on Porzingis. I think there are only a few young
players that have more upside than him, one of them
obviously being Carl Anthony Towns, and then who I can't
think of another young guy that I really like better
than him, unless you count Anthony Davis as a young guy.
But um, if you trade him and you bring in

(18:42):
a Josh Jackson, Jalen Brown and whoever the other young
players are, you're putting them in the same dysfunctional situation
that ruined your relationship with porzingis you're putting them in
a triangle offense that none of these young guys want
to run. Yeah, but but but but hold hold on.

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I would be you're I agree with you on on
some level, but I would also I would just like, look,
I think the Carmelo thing is the bigger I think
they're they're working. They're working backwards right when they need
to work forwards. And the first thing they need to
figure out a way to get rid of Carmelo Anthony
because he refuses to even he refuses to try to
do what he tries to do what they want, but

(19:23):
it doesn't really want to do what they want. And
so ultimately it's uh uh, it's almost predetermined right that
it's uh that that it's going to fail. If that's
the case, if your best player doesn't want to do
what the organization wants to do, you're doomed to your
doom to fail. So and you don't know how prezingis

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would be, how his attitude to be, what the temperature
the place would be if you didn't have Mellow there.
So that's what I would do first, But I guess
the question, the real question here is so DeAndre Jordan
was floated as a possible UH trade option to the
Sun's lamarc Soldiers floated as a possible trade option. Porzingis
floated and now you're they're engaged in trade discussions. Can

(20:08):
you put the genie back in the bottle for these
three players? Like can you? Can you float them and
get into deep discussions about moving on from players and
then oops, sorry, yeah we didn't want to get a divorce.
Yeah I know, I called the divorce attorney, but I
loved you all along. How does that work? That's tough.
That's tough, and it really depends on the mental toughness

(20:31):
of the player. LaMarcus Aldrews has sold us that he's sensitive, right,
So he's sensitive. He's gonna be a guy that didn't
probably bothered. I wish LaMarcus would just buckle up, man
up and say, look they were I was on the
market for a reason. I wasn't producing. I had this,
I didn't have a great season. I certainly didn't have

(20:52):
a great post season and take it use it as
fuel to really play better. But I don't know that
he I don't think he's gonna do that, And so yeah,
I think it could bother him, and I think maybe
before the next season if it's not, even if it's
not at the draft, he may be moved. Um. DeAndre
Jordan's another guy that you could see this message with

(21:15):
him mentally. But the thing with DeAndre is you can
be like, look, you almost left us at the author too,
or you you you know you you you were going
to Dallas and we begged you to come back. That's
how valuable you are to us. Let's you know, let's
each take it as you know. You got us, we
got you, and now we're stuck with each other, so

(21:36):
let's move on. Porzingis. Look, I kind of like ever
since Porzingis has been in New York, part of the
story has been that here comes this European player. Uh,
let's just cut to the chase, this white European player
who a lot of people thought was going to be soft,
and he has shown us that not only physically, although

(21:58):
you know he's still a slight, lim guy, but mentally
he's tough. He's tough enough to handle New York. He's
got some slag about him. He is intent or breaking
that soft European player stereotype, and I like, I kind
of see that with Phil Jackson with his ways, responded
the film like, I mean the fact that he had

(22:20):
the guts to not go to an exit meeting with
the legendary Phil Jackson. Some people might say that shows
he's rebellious and all that. I say, it showed that
the kids got hard. The kid really wants to win,
and he's not afraid to stand up for himself and
for what he thinks is right. So you know, I

(22:42):
like that in porzingis um, But it's gonna be hard
to put that genie back in the bottle because he
could walk after, you know, a couple of years, um,
and then you're losing for nothing. So you know, if
he's not traded today, then it may only be a
matter of time before he's moved, which is staff of
New Yorkers. I like him better than Josh Jackson. Oh,

(23:06):
I like him. I like him a lot, But I
like I'm like, I don't think I actually don't think
they want Josh Jackson. I think they want Tatum. But
I could be wrong. I think but I like him better.
I like it better than but but but like, but
what what else on the Knicks roster do you like?
Tell me one of them other guy in the rutt
Knicks roster, and like that's where I'm like listening to film, Like,

(23:28):
you know, if you're saying, let's get the whole team, Yeah,
let's get let's get three or four starters. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
if I can. If I can get three starters from one,
even if the one is better than each of them,
here's the only here's the only thing. And neither of
us knows. We none of us can read the future. Okay,

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but we do know that having a superstar is critical
to winning a championship or or you know, even being
in the hunt for a championship. Are they going to
get a player that could potentially be a superstar because
you've got one, now, whether you really become but you know,

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I mean you actually you kind of you kind of
have two, I guess. But they haven't won anything with him.
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(24:34):
Chew continues on Chris Brussar, who we're gonna give him
couple of hours off after this next five minute discussion,
and then he's gonna join me in studio with Metal
World Peace at seven Eastern time. We're gonna do the
whole first round of the draft, and we're gonna allow
Chris Broussard to work the phones and uh and text
people and find out draft picks before everybody else knows
draft picks and what's really going on. It's all the

(24:55):
fun things I think brew about the NBA draft is
like guy gets picked, he puts on a hat, and
yet everybody in the league's like, well, that's he's not
actually going there. Then they asked him about they asked
him about the coach and the general manager in the city. Well,
you gotta be really excited to go to Sacramento. And
then you know, like an hour later, two hours later,
it's like he wasn't actually going to Sacramento, he was

(25:16):
going to Phoenix. Like, oh, all those all those questions.
I I enjoyed that part. Um Okay, draft wise, just
before we get back to some of this player movement
because it does relate Lakers. Are they locked in at
Alonzo ball because there was some talk yesterday about potentially
moving back and trying to get Sacramentos two picks. Yeah.

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Everything I've heard is that they're locked in the line though,
And now look the talk with Sacramento. It was the
number two pick for the five in the tenth, which
the Kings have. I it was downplay to me. I
was told that this was just kind of an informal
conversation that took played between one member the Lakers front

(26:00):
office and one of the Kings about a week and
a half ago, and it was kind of like, what
you know, it was almost like the Lakers were just
feeling them out, like, so, would you give up the
five and chin for the number two? Not not really
saying let's do it if you're willing, or we would
do it. It was just kind of feeling them out.

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And so I was told that the way it's been
kind of portrayed is a little bit, you know, stronger
than it actually was. Um, So I think you're because
if if it actually is as strong as it's been reported,
then that shows you that the Lakers aren't that high
on the ball, right, I mean that they could they

(26:42):
feel like they could get fix or five and then
you get another, you know, good challenge at chen Or
It's something they used to try to get. You know,
you get another player, maybe a Paul George. But again
from what I've heard, it really wasn't that deep. And
the Lakers are are in on ball. You mentioned Paul George.

(27:03):
Where are we with the Lakers and Paul George. Well,
you know, the Lakers, the assets they have right now
are just the numbers in this this first round and
then either Jordan Clarkson or Julius Ramball like, that's what
they have to kind of work with as far as
getting Paul George, and they're certainly willing to give that up.

(27:25):
And then it's just a question of does Indiana think
that the best deal that can get. Remember, the Pacers
are under no pressure to trade George tonight. I do
think they're under pressure to trade him before the season
starts because you just don't want, you know, that to
ruin your entire season next year. But they don't have

(27:46):
the game thing done tonight. We know Kevin Love is
on the table. I'm told they don't want Kevin Love. Um,
I would take him, but most people around the league
agree with the Pacers, staying that, you know why just
get him and tread warter an a seed or whatever. Um.
So you know Phoenix was Cleveland's trying to get them involved. Uh,

(28:07):
they obviously have some some assets. So you know, I
don't think Indiana is going to do anything with the
Lakers tonight unless the Lakers decide Ingram or the number
two they're gonna give up, which I don't see happening.
So um, yeah, I don't think George is are going
there tonight. Doug Gotler Show, that's the voice of Chris
Bruce Hard. He joins us here on Fox Sports. Trade

(28:28):
will join us for the NBA Draft seven o'clock Eastern
time alone with metal World Peace. Um. The discussion though
for the futures about Lebron, the potential to come to
l A and what I heard from Jerry West, okay
was in direct contrast to what's going on in Cleveland.
Jerry West takes the job as a consultant for the Clippers,

(28:49):
and all we could talk about was Steve Bomber is
the greatest right. The reason we're gonna win here Steve
Bomber Right, And to me, that's a Lebron You hate
that guy. Right. The only thing he doesn't like about
Cleveland is the owner, probably the weather, but it's still home. Um,
Whereas here York, for the world's greatest owners who willed

(29:10):
to do whatever he played, paid a billion dollars too
much for this team. Now he wants to build arena,
then he wants you to be to bring him his
first championship? Are the Clippers more competitive in the Lebron
two thousand eighteen sweepstakes than people were previously led to believe.
I'm told Lebron will never play for the Clippers. He

(29:34):
will not. He's not going to the Clippers. He loves
Jerry West, reads his book over and over again, but
he's not going to the Clippers. So I believe that. Look,
I think the l a stuff is overblown. Um, Lebron
james Is business has never been out in the street.

(29:54):
When he left Cleveland, nobody had a clue he was
going to Miami until a day or two before. When
he left Miami, nobody had a clue he was going
back to Cleveland until a day or two before now
we got we're to believe that a year in advance,
all of a sudden, everybody knows what's going on with
Lebron James. His group is tight to the vest. Nobody

(30:19):
ever knows what they're thinking and what they're doing. And
so this talk about him going to l A is overstated. No,
I'm not saying it's impossible. Because if Dan Gilbert decides
to tighten up his belt and stop spending money and
stop paying the luxury tax because he doesn't want. You know,

(30:40):
he's got his one championship. Cleveland will love him forever
for that. That could lead Lebron out the door, because
he wants to compete for championships, but he will never
go anywhere where he's got as much power in the
organization as he has in Cleveland. He didn't have that
type of power in Miami. That's one reason he left.

(31:00):
He's got it now again in Cleveland, and he likes
it that way. And he's got a better team than
he would have with the Lakers in a conference where
you got an easy walk to the finals every year.
And we can say, well, but does he want to
keep getting beat by Golden State? You never know you
never know with injuries. I mean two years ago, Kyrie

(31:22):
and Kevin Love injured and Golden State wins the chairman,
So what's to say that couldn't happen with the Warriors.
So I I think you know, it's way overblown. Um
and so I think the l A stuff is very, very,
very premature. But to answer your question, I'm told the
Clippers will never get Lebron's ass because they're the Clippers.

(31:45):
Crisperus are We will see you in studio momentarily. Thanks
for joining us. Uh Clipper fan, there's and by the way,
there's no real such thing as a Clipper fan, right,
there's but those such things A lifelong Clipper fan, you know,
such thing is a life long Clipper fan. I'm sorr.
There's just it's not possible. Unless you're ten years old,
you can't possibly be a lifelong Clipper. I remember the

(32:08):
days of Bo Kimball, remember the days of Mark Jackson.
Larry Brown was their coach, like it was two years,
two years. They were good two years anyway. But if
you are a current Clipper fan, that that is it.
That just just stabbing the heart. Derek Carr got paid

(32:34):
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(33:06):
So much to get to today, so much to get to.
I will I'll relate Derek Carr's new contract with the
up with tonight's NBA draft, because really, cars contract is
not about the contract, It's about the draft he was in.
Derek Carr got paid that upcoming Top of the hour,

(33:29):
the top of the Hour update, you'll hear from Dan Buyer.
He'll now reach into my set. Let's reach into godly sack.
Lots of stuff inside that sack. What you got in there? Danny?
You should know, Doug he psychic. Yeah, there we go, Psychic.
Wh what are we gonna do? It's all right, Doug.
There it is NBA draft theme tonight. Okay, let's see

(33:51):
if you can, you know, put your money where your
mouth is. We got some help from Bavada on psychic
over unders here of the NBA draft. Okay. Daron Fox,
the freshman guard out of Kentucky over under for his
draft selection at number five. So I guess we could say,
should we say over is six through thirty and under

(34:15):
is one through four. That's how over under works? Sure
over his higher under his lower. This is not as
confusing as like the n c A tournament, where you
say high seed, but a high seat is a one
right current low seed is a sixteen. That doesn't make
any sense. But in this case it does actually make sense.
I think five is probably his landing spot, maybe six,

(34:39):
so we'd say over, I'll say, I'll say over, Yes,
you know, we'll make a little easier on Dennis Smith,
the n C State point guard. Okay, over under nine
and a half? Oh really? Under? What about? What about
Florida State? I gotta give it artist State's Jonathan Isaac

(35:01):
a hot name. Over under six and a half. I
like him a lot, but he um like, he's right,
he's he's versatile, he's long, he's uh, he can handle,
he can shoot some not necessarily in alpha. I'll say over,
I'll say over six and a half. I think seven
or eight is where he goes. Why don't we why

(35:22):
not keep this acc theme going for the third straight time.
Friend of the Program joined you yesterday Justin Jackson and
North Carolina over under seventeen and a half. I'm gonna
go over over in Justin Jackson. I do think that
he could be in play there, maybe Frank Jackson Oklaoma City,
but he could be a replacement for Andre robertson Oclahma City.
I'll go I'll go over. How about this one? This

(35:44):
is this is how Vegas knows Bvada saying Laurie Marken
in over under seven and a half. I'll go over
seven and a a half for lowry marketing over. I think
it'll be a little bit later. What about if I
said eight and a half with the nick sitting at
eight right now? With that change things, Well, that's what

(36:05):
people are taking like, that's the idea is like you
lose prozingis, but he's like a PROSINGI flight if you
get a Jason Tatum and all these other all these
other players. Um, I'll say over, Okay, alright, what about
Luke Kennard sharpshooter from Duke over under twelve and a half?
Over over. I know he's in the green room. I
think I'll be waiting a little bit longer. Let's go

(36:27):
on back to Lexington. We had dearon Fox earlier. Malik
Monk probably under. Although I'm not a huge Malik Monk guy.
I think he's a high volume guy and he just
he doesn't do a lot else. He does shoot and
get buckets, but it's more in spurts than consistency. But
I think you can score, and I think he can shoot.

(36:49):
And this is a league in which shooting is probably
the number one tangible asset you need to have to
be successful. So eight and a half on Malik Monk
was eight half under under on that. Oh oh, I
love this one. Total number of players taken from Duke
Kentucky and U c l A over under nine and

(37:09):
a half in the first round in total total, Um,
I know you start you want to start going? This
is kind of easy. I go over right, Like U
c l A has their big three, Big I and
of course t J. Leaf and a Lonzo Ball. That's
like three easy ones. Duke Frank Jackson w get picked,

(37:31):
Luke HEARNARDA picked, Jayson Tatum will get picked. Um, I'm
forgetting somebody, oh what's his name? The big kid who
is barely Harry Giles get picked at four and then yeah,
I'll go over. I think that's that's a fairly easy bet.
If it's two rounds, definitely over total freshman taken over
sixteen I should say over or under sixteen and a half. Yeah,

(37:52):
I thought it was like fifty two its. It's every
single guy one year in college, one year in the year.
I thought that was pretty easy as well. How about
this for the first round? Top international players taken over
under at four and a half? First round? Yes, first round, No,

(38:13):
but always feels there's a kid, the Frenchman, French French
point guard who could go in the top eight. Um,
I'll go up, man, it's right at the number, I'll
go under. How about this one? Okay, total number, this
is my favorite one total number of seniors Okay, taken
in the first round one half? Okay, that's the over

(38:38):
under a half in the first round of the drafty seniors. Yes,
if you get one, you can cash in. Well, you
don't like Zach Collins a freshman John the desist and
I'm trying to think whom whom I'm forgetting who? Um,
who would be the senior? Right? I know that's why
probably why it's a half? That's crazy? Uh? Was the

(39:02):
a one do maybe I would go over. Yeah, I
think you have to. You have to. I think they're
begging you to go over just for the for the
sake of its final one. What about a number of
sophomores taken six and a half, kind of middle of
the road deal. I would go over on that. I mean, remember,
you have John Collins, you have Luke Kennard, you got
Donovan Mitchell, you have ju One Evan, John Roell, Kalem,

(39:25):
Caleb Swann again, Ramos is the Redchard. Oh yeah, my bad,
bad and that and that's it's in myself. That was
Scott lead Sack. The Raiders have finally found their quarterback.
But what it's really about? Next? What up? Doug Gottlieb Show,

(39:49):
Fox Sports Radio. It is Draft Night, Draft Night, Draft Night,
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(40:11):
we'll meta world peace, We'll break bread, we'll kimits, we'll
talk about the big name players potentially being moved. We'll
tell you all about the prospects all about it. But
I saw this story and it's Look, there's a couple
of other stories going up, ya c L Puig. Do
you guys go cadillacing or pimp walking or pimping a

(40:32):
home run? Which is your Which is your favorite ramos?
When you when you when you stroll around, when you
do the bat flip and you stroll around the base paths, Yes,
I would. I would enjoy to hit it, watch it
and then kind of jog around. I understand. But what
what do you call it? Yeah, we'll call it the
pimp So ho run? Home run? What about you music?

(40:56):
I like personally like cadillacing, you know, because when you
drive a Cadillac, you you kind of you lean to
the side and you just just cruise. You just chill.
Although I knew, I know via one of the vs,
you know, the turbo powered ones. You're not you're not cruising.
Which what do you call it? Well, I guess you
wouldn't consider it a trot, right because the trot's just
doing it normal without giving it the extra pizzazz. Al Right,

(41:18):
So I guess I would call it more of a
pimping pimping it. He was pimping a home run, we'll
talk about it like it's Puig is a little bit like, uh,
Phil Jackson right in that if anybody else pimps a
home run, you're not nearly as upset as if yah

(41:39):
c l Puig, who has who miss cut off man
you know, doesn't play baseball quote unquote the right way
constantly pimping home runs. Uh rubbed everybody the wrong way,
including his own teammates when he first got there. Like,
if anybody else pimps a home run, it's an issue.
It's it's a it's an issue. If it's yah Cel Puig,
it a big issue. If anybody else thinks about trading

(42:03):
a star player in a three for or four for
one deal, that's what that's what's been floated by Phil Jackson. Right,
you wanna give me a couple of starters, a couple
of starters and a draft pick, and then I have
my other draft pick. Like, yeah, anyone else says that,
You're like, wow, that's kind of a savvy move from
a team that's not a playoff team. But if Phil

(42:26):
Jackson does it, because he mentioned Lebron James group of
dudes as a posse, which frankly, they were not in
the negative sense. They were. It doesn't it rubs everybody
the wrong way. But the story I saw today was
Derek Carr got bird average of twenty five million dollars

(42:51):
a year. I do believe that Derek Carr is now
the highest paid player in the NFL. Is that is
that accurate boys annually per year now, which of course
will be Aaron Rodgers will end up getting paid more,
and so some of this is the recency bias of
he got paid. So that's what happened. But Derek Carr
was selected thirty six in the draft. The Houston Texans,

(43:18):
who have been in search of a quarterback since their
franchise came into existence, passed on him, not once but twice,
not once but twice. Now the Texans felt like, we
can't do it because we had David Carr and that
ended poorly, and so we can't take Derek Carr. Okay,

(43:42):
it would have been weird, it would have been awkward,
but it's a different GM, a different head coach, same owner,
same city, far different, more talented team. To me, Derek
Carr becoming the highest paid quarterback player in the league
per year isn't as much about the Raider, Like, look,
the Raiders got him on the cheap for the first
couple of years because he was the second round pick

(44:04):
and now after three years in and a pretty obvious
value and he goes down and gets hurt and all
of a sudden, the Raiders go to hell in the
handbasket in the in the NFL playoffs, right, Like we
saw the difference with their car without like, there's your
wins above replacement boys. No Derek Carr. They had no
chance with Derek Carr, one of the more dynamic offenses

(44:25):
in the NFL. So they got him on the cheap then,
so even if they slightly overpaid him, now you're like, look,
you save money on him for three years and this
will help you with the cap and years to come.
But this is more about to me, it's more about
the draft. This is the great lesson for the draft

(44:47):
in that at the end of the day, the only
thing that matters is can you play? And this is
the question for the Lakers because there's a there are
several people in that Lakers front office who are sitting
there thinking to themselves, you know, I kind of think

(45:08):
Darren Fox might be better. I think I think Darren
Fox might be better defensive player, better for what we need,
better energy, better smile, better leadership. If you're drafting Lonzo Ball,
I like Lonzo Ball. I'm okay sticking the flag in
the ground. But those guys are saying, like, not that

(45:28):
athletic got that funky shot. Then he's got the dad,
which there's some good to it, because honestly, like Lonzo Ball,
as much as his dad is an irritant, his dad
also has made him kind of into a thing. Right,
Like most guys don't study college, but like, hey, music,

(45:50):
have you seen markul Folds play this year? Hardly at all?
Dan Buyer have I mean obviously you saw like Malik
Monk in the n c A term or with Kentucky,
But like Donovan Mitchell, can you remember Donovan Mitchell all that? Well,
like you don't know who many of these guys are.
And part of because I understand we're in l A.

(46:11):
But part of it is like a Lonzo Ball kind
of became a thing, and is some of it his
own talents, absolutely, let's not take it. And then he
was at u c l A. Sure, but some of
it is his dad made you at least all right,
I gotta see what this this dad's talking about, right,
But the Derek Carr story is really really simple. Can
you play and can you evaluate? Can you not carry

(46:35):
in the baggage of well, his brother didn't end up
being good enough and took all those sacks, and like
there's people were obviously conflicted. Johnny Manziel went to the
Cleveland Browns at two. And I know Teddy Bridgewater started
on a playoff team, but he wasn't. Teddy Bridgewater wasn't

(46:56):
ever as good before he heard his knee, and he
isn't going to be as good as as Rick card
Derreck car is the deal man since since rich Gannon
got hurt. He was the NFL's m v P. Since
rich Gannon got hurt, Raiders haven't had a quarterback fifteen years.
About a quarterback. They found their quarterback. They gave me
a big contract. It's it's smart, guys, got no issues,
married kids, you know, not a drug guy, not a

(47:18):
party guy, good leader. Is he the best quarterback in
the NFL? No? Is he a top fifteen quarterback? Yeah? Sure, uh,
top ten TBD. It's really good, really good last year.
But they also have a really good offensive line, very

(47:38):
good wide receivers. So um, but I still think the
story of the Derek Carr story is the story of
the I guess it's two things. The inability for some
people to evaluate. Blake Bortles went three in that draft,
borls of Derek Carr. Right, Hey, the Buffalo Bills still

(48:03):
need a quarterback Bills. Had the Bills traded up, Remember
they traded a first round draft pick to move up.
That's like one of the all time worst draft moves.
Not only did they trade up to get a wide receiver,
Sammy Watkins, who has been hurt a bunch, but that
was a an NFL draft that produced some decent wide receivers.
You know, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr. Brandon Cooks all

(48:24):
would have been available, Kelvin Benjamin All who would have
been available when the Bills originally selected. Instead, they trade
away their first round draft pick. So can you evaluate
and can you cut out all the bs, all the noise,
all the nonsense and just take the best player that's available.
That's the story tonight. That's the story in the NFL draft.

(48:51):
I'm gonna take you to Boston try and figure out
are the Celtics gonna use their number three pick or
trade their number three pick? I canna take New York
as Persinga is going to be a nick By the
end of the night, we'll take you to Indiana. Is uh?

(49:13):
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luck God as part of his extension, but his a
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LaMarcus Aldridge potentially available tonight. Chauncey Billups still mulling the
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I mean right that makes sense to anybody else. I
don't know what's the mall the mall h I have.
I have thoughts that you can mull on because we're
going to get all the information you need. Like I
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(51:42):
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for a long time. They're all really good, really tied in.
Let's check in with Gary Washburn, NBA writer for the
Boston Globe at g Washburn Globe, Gary, do they take
Jason Tatum, they take Josh Jackson or do they trade
the number three pick? But I think they're open to
all possibilities. Um Jackson didn't work out for him and
kind of with smug about Boston, Tatum was all in

(52:28):
and the kind of explained to Tatum the positions he
would play, in the posisions he would defend. So I
think they're leading towards Tatum if they use this pick,
which I think would be a good choice, but there's
a lot of teams that want Jackson, so you know
it could be it could go down to the eleventh hour. Um, yeah,

(52:49):
I just I think it's interesting, Like I think they
liked Tatum, and I do think that they've they've liked Tatum,
but I've I found it really interesting that all of
a sudden, now the the next stuff has come out,
when if you remember, late in the season, it was
leaked that Phil Jackson's favorite prospect in college was Jason Tatuman.
Oh yeah, by the way, that's who the Celtics are
are targeting, all right, So what what are you guessing

(53:12):
is the actual package that would get them christophs prozingis
I think they nick slant four players. They want two
veteran players, and they want the third picks, and they
want Brooklyn's pick from next year, because the Celtics and
the trade that never stops giving have Brooklyn's picks and
make two thousand eighteen. As you know, Doug, the Nets

(53:34):
are not going to be very good next year, so
that could be another number one ticked or another lottery picks.
I think it's gonna take four players to get him,
But I don't think the Celtics are willing to sacrifice
that They're not gonna trade a good portion of their
core and their future. Way for porzingis when they think
they can maybe just get Tatum and then sign another

(53:55):
player in free agency. So, uh, Phil might have to
lower his asking pry. It's gonna be super interesting. What
about Isaiah Thomas. You know, he's up at the end
of next year, and I thought he answered um all
the questions the right way after his exit interview in
regards to what his plans were and what his thoughts
were in a contract extension. What's your guests on his

(54:17):
future with the team? You know, yeah, he did say
all the right things. He did say he was wouldn't
sacrifice salary to bring in another player to help. I
think this city and I think the team is in
deared to Isaiah for what he went through during the playoffs,
obviously the tragedy, and he didn't miss a game, didn't
miss a beat. Um. He led this team to the
Eastern Conference Finals. He was third all time and Celtics

(54:40):
scoring per season and the only two ahead of more
Halet checking birds. Are you talking about the elite company?
I don't know. If you just let a guy who
have just twenty nine a game walk, Um, So I
think they come to an agreement the deal that's very
feasible and very agreeable for Thomas. Remember he makes six
point two million dollars next year, Matthew Dildoba makes chin

(55:03):
Dean Mahemi makes sixteen. So you're talking about probably perhaps
the most underpaid player in the NBA next year. So
if you offer him twenty I don't know if he
just walks away for that scoff at more than raise.
If the Southern can bring in a type of players
that can help compete for a championship, and so I

(55:25):
think it's gonna take some negotiating, but I think he'll
be their long term. Gary Washburn, NBA writer from the
Boston Globe and a good one will be following him
on Twitter because I'm sure he'll know before the rest
of us know exactly what's going on with the Celtics
at three. Gary, great stuff. Thanks much for being our
guy in Beantown. Oh, no problem, does I got a guy.
Mark Berman covers the Knicks for the New York Post.

(55:46):
It's always entertaining with Phil Jackson and with the Knicks
at ny Post underscore Burman Um. I know the the
back and forth on MSG didn't go over well, but
Mark am I am I overly supportive of Phil Jackson,
Like I actually listened to what he said and I
didn't think it was crazy. Like he's obviously still upset

(56:09):
about him skipping the exit interview, but he also said like, look,
I think he's a unicorn and if somebody wants to
trade us two players and a pick, you know, two
players in a pick or three players in a pick,
like we we have to do the right thing for
the franchise. Like I get that he has some negative equity,
but what he said wasn't crazy, was it? Well, especially
he hasn't traded Presentia shed and his demands are sky high.

(56:34):
I mean some of the things seems demanded. You'd have
to do it because you get back so many assets
in them, both Boston and Phoenix, who are sort of
in the hunt for presilias. Although I doubt anything happens,
they have a lot of assets. I think the bigger
issue is that's a cold war between Phil and KP

(56:58):
is still going on, and that shouldn't be. I don't
think he's trading him tonight. But I think he did
have a right to do his due diligence once team
started calling to see how much can he get out
of present? This accent was but he is asking for
quite a bit, and that's a good sign. How much

(57:20):
of this is a power play with his brother and
with his agent, just like, hey, you know what, you
want to skip interviews, you want to tweet out things
like but we can we Everybody is tradeable, everybody has
a price, even if your price is higher. How much
of this is just feel taking back control of the ship.
I agree with that a notion. I think he's letting

(57:41):
Chris Stops twist in the trade winds. Uh. You know,
obviously Phil sounded very bitter that not only did Chris
Stops blow off the exit meeting, but he didn't notify
them and then did not contact them in the days after.
So I think there is some pay back here, Uh

(58:04):
with Phil, you know, going on TV and saying, yeah,
we're listening offers and we have to do it's best
for the team, and uh yeah, what he said was
that outrageous? If he makes a deal for prosingis that
is mediocre? That's outrageous. What about Carmelo Anthony, he come
back next year. I mean, he's leaving. He's got to

(58:25):
be leaving the Knicks at the end of next year.
What about Mellow I mean, but said obviously, Phil desperately
wants to trade him. Uh. Carmelo is going through a
personal crisis, a potential divorce with his wife. Uh. And
he's got a ten year old son living in New
York City. It doesn't sound like it's the best time

(58:48):
for him to move to another city. So Phil revealed
last night that you know, Carmelo has sort of been
you know, I just just rather stay here for now. Uh.
And he's got the no trade clause, and you know,
maybe carmelis thinking, I'll play one more year year here
and opt out of my contract. But it's going to

(59:08):
be very dicey for them to repair that relationship, although
Phil did repair the kby relationship when they look like
they were headed for multiple divorces if U, Yeah, that's
very true. If you if you're a betting man and
they don't trade, perzingis, who do they pick in the
first round. Yeah. I think they're eyeing the French point

(59:31):
guard Frank me Colna because of his upside. You know, Moek.
Monk will be better as a as a rookie. But
this kid is six ft five, he's got a seven
ft wingspan, He's an excellent defender, He's a past first
point guard, would fit into their system. They have European

(59:53):
players on the roster already. I think Monk is probably
their second choice. There's a lot of fans in the
organization from Malik, but you know, he is a six
foot three shooting guard and they'd have to transform him
into a point guard, which you know, he's not being
an issue, but they do like him a lot. But
I think they're gonna go with the French point guard.

(01:00:15):
Of all things stay equal, great stuff, Enjoy the night.
Market's always entertaining. Covering the Knickerbocker's Mark Burman at New
York NY Post Underscore Burman, Mark, thanks so much, all right,
thanks so much. So I got a guy. One of
the most opinionated and talent talented columnists in the country
is Bob Kravitz. He covers, among other things, as a
columnist in Indianapolis and for w T. H r uh

(01:00:38):
the Indiana Pacers. Bob, what about Paul George? Do you
think he's dealt tonight? I don't. I think that they
are going to make everybody sweat. I think they're going
to uh, you know, they're posturing right now. They want
everybody to know that they're not gonna just take the
best offer out there on draft to night. So if

(01:01:01):
I was a betting man, I would say no. But uh,
it's obviously gonna happen at some point because Paul George
can't play another another minute for the Indiana Pacers. So
what do they want? What do they want for Paul George?
Young assets, whether that's draft choices or young players, uh,
preferably both. Uh. They understand that they're gonna get pennies

(01:01:23):
on the dollar in return. But I think that, you know,
they're in a tough situation because everybody in the league knows,
uh that you know what Paul's gonna do. They know
Paul's gonna opt out, and they know that Paul is
going to uh end up with the Lakers. So if
the Lakers don't deal for him, then you're looking at
the rental market. And really the rental market is the

(01:01:46):
Cleveland Cavaliers and there's not much beyond that. Why don't
they want uh, why do they want Kevin Love Well,
I think they're looking at this as a complete rebuild,
you know, and you know Kevin Love is going to
take up a pretty good chunk of your cap um.
I I think they look at this as a three

(01:02:07):
or four year rebuild. They'll never use that word. They
say it's a dirty word, but you know, this is
a franchise. It's always been mediocre to good because really
the last thirty years, and I think they understand that
now that they're losing Paul George, they've really got to
start building from the ground up. Great stuff. Bob Kravitz
from w t h R of course the talent calumnists

(01:02:28):
for a long time Indianapolis. Follow him on Twitter at
b Kravitz. Bob, thanks so much. Okay, thank you, Doug.
So you needed a guy, we got you a guy.
Some really confusing news at the NFL with the Kansas
City Chiefs. I'll have those details for you after we
find out what's trending coming up in eight minutes. You

(01:02:49):
can find out with a big green egg. Doug got
lip show Fox Sports Radio kind of surprise is moved
coming out of Kansas City. Um, remember Chris Ballard left
Kansas City to go run the Indianapolis Colts. All right
from that move? Okay? So um so, then the Chiefs

(01:03:12):
had decided to fire General John Dorsey. Clark Hunt said,
I've notified John that we would not be extending his
contract beyond the two thousand and seventeen season. After consideration,
he felt it was best in his best interest, in
the best insurer of the team of part ways. Now,
that was like a half hour, didn't I hear read
on Twitter? And I don't know if buyer had in
the update. Didn't Andy Red get a contract senseion today?

(01:03:35):
So then Andy Read becomes like the general manager, right, Donny? Okay?
The only thing that the thing I think that fascinates
me here is what does it mean for Pat Mahomes.
What does it mean for Alex Smith, who was the

(01:03:57):
guy who stood on the table and goes yep, Pat Mahomes.
Remember they took Pat Mahomes in the first round. Thought
is that he can be their air parent at quarterback.
And if you haven't seen Pat Mahomes throw, he's basically
the complete opposite of Alex Smith. Alex Smith is sneaky athletically,
but he's so incredibly conservative with his decisions. I mean
he's captain checkdown, right, but he's been successful now in

(01:04:21):
like his I guess second or third life as a quarterback. Right,
second life was probably with hardball as opposed to all
those other previous coaches in San Francisco that he didn't
succeed with. And now in his third life with the
chief Chapter he was beating out and he got a
concussion and then was beaten out by Colin Kaepernick. Never
got his job back ends up with the Chiefs. So

(01:04:43):
Mahomes huge arm, huge arm, but not terribly fundamentally sound.
We I I think he's got bad feet. I'm not
saying he's slow, just within the pocket. He's got bad
feet and he's got some bad habits. So the thought
has been, like Pat Mahomes, he studies under Andy Reid
and Alex Smith for half a year or a year,
then he becomes the apian. He becomes the guy because

(01:05:05):
he can make throws and will make throws that Alex
Smith either can't or will not, but I would. I'm
gonna just guess without knowing that Mahomes is Andy Reid's guy,
but better for the any Reid's guy or else. This
this this that was just a waste to pick who.

(01:05:27):
And look, there is some pressing for it. I mean,
Sean McDermott with the Bills goes out and brings in
a general manager, the assistant general manager of the Carolina Panthers. Right,
he came from Carolina. You're bringing your boys. So any
Reid's gonna go out and bring in probably one of
his guys. Could it be Joe Banner who was with

(01:05:49):
him in Philadelphia? Right, you go get Joe Banner and
bring him in. Possible, but not probably the like the
best guests. Could be one of those the guys that
was with him with the Green Bay Packers, and was
that whole crew of guys that that end up being successful.
Of course we always see Jon Gruden go to those
uh go to those videos, so there is some pressing

(01:06:14):
for it. It's just the timing of it is just
strange in it. Like we've already been through free agency,
we've already been through the draft, we've all been through
O T A s now. You're like, now we're gonna
fire a general manager. Weird, very very weird. Yeah, right, well,

(01:06:35):
remember the other interesting thing to come out of Kansas
City earlier this week was the whole thing with Jeremy
Macklin and how they informed him that he wasn't going
to be on the team through voicemail. So I mean,
maybe this was sort of something that was in the
works with like Dorsey, he kind of knew he was
on his way out, so he's like, all right, we're
gonna let Macklin go. I'll just leave him a voicemail.
Like the whole thing coming out of Kansas City has

(01:06:56):
just been weird. And do you think that whoever made
that decision that it was probably Andy Reid who decided
to let go of Macklin. Um, it has to be
Read has to make all of these decisions, Like that's
the only thing that makes sense here. Read was making

(01:07:16):
these decisions all along. And then it's one of those
like what am I paying you for? You know? Uh,
well you know that the Clark Hunt walks in and
goes up John listen, I gotta know about do your listen?
Who you're keeping? Who you're cutting? Like, well, you know
that's the really coach Reid's job? Why am I paying you? Really?
So he calls the plays? But something like that's one

(01:07:40):
of those something had to happen, didn't it. I mean,
do you think it's something that maybe happened between Andy
Reid and John Dorsey and then so Hunt is now
picking Read over Dorsey, Because that's sort of like I
think of the first thing that came to my mind
you're also an Angels fan, is when there was all
that asked with the Angels and they chose Sosha over

(01:08:03):
to Poto, Like, do you think that's what this situation
is that it kind of like maybe Dorsey and Andy
Reid didn't really get along that well, so now they're
choosing Andy Reid. Would happen, it would it would have
to be, right, I mean, just it would have to be.
What's interesting about what's interesting about this, It really interesting
about this is the the a f C West, which, Um,

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you have the Chargers, who I think will be better.
They gave away so many games last year. I remember
they rent through a stretch where it was like six
out of seven weeks they I think the first seven
weeks of the the season they led every game in the
fourth quarter, every game in the fourth cord they led crazy. Um,
you have the Oakland Raiders who were a playoff team
and if had they had Derek Carr when we got

(01:08:52):
hurt in the regular season when he shouldn't have been
in throwing the football, shep and hand the ball off.
They were up nineteen at the time. Ah, that's could
they beat in the Patriots? No, but at least they
could have scared the hell of the patriotic score some points.
You have the Broncos, who they had the Super Bowl
hangover and they hadn't selected a quarterback, but now like
in year two of it, Broncos should be And then

(01:09:13):
you have the Chiefs, who have been a consistent competitor
in the playoffs. You're like, that's as good a division
as a f C West NFC South, two best divisions
in the sport. And now you have this dysfunction within
the Chiefs. And how will Alex Smith play with one
eye over his shoulder known that Pat Mahomes is going

(01:09:34):
to replace him in the very in your future, I
would say NFC East with the Cowboys, the Giants, the Redskins,
maybe a little bit better than the NFC South NFC
South maybe. I mean, look, it depends on how the
Saints really. I think Tampa is gonna be really good.
Tampa's got a lot of Tampa's gonna be good I

(01:09:55):
may be overrating them. I think they're gonna be very good.
Jamis Winston in his third year, Mike Evans has become
a star wide receiver. Defense is pretty good. Like like
the Giants. I want to think the Giants are gonna
be good. Who have the Redskins even beaten the past
two years? Go back and look even two years ago
and the May the playoffs didn't be a team with

(01:10:15):
above five record, not once. Cowboys are good. But I
think the Cowboys record wise isn't given me great because
they play a treacherous schedule. Um, it's it's fair. I
would say you're NFC South ahead of anesty because we
don't know about the Carolina Panthers. Nobody knows about Cam
Newton coming off shoulder surgery. We don't know if the
Saints can stop anybody. So and Tampa has yet to
live up to they have a bunch of young players.

(01:10:36):
That'd be fair. Be fair. NFC West feels down NFC North. Um, Well,
the funny thing about the NFC West was they were
like the most hyped up division in Arizona. Arizona, Arizona,
windows closed. We'll see if the Rams can can form
an offense this year, and the Niners are terrible. Outside

(01:10:57):
of that, it's a great division, right the North, yea,
the Vikings had a tremendous defense with their line was
so bad and the running game was so bad that
it really really didn't matter. And they went from five
and oh to having a having a rough year. Bears
with two quarters Mike Glennon, and then you know they
go out and draft a quarterback. Bears aren't good. Trade

(01:11:19):
up for trade up, tight up, trade up to get
a quarterback at two UM and then the Lions were
surprised last year. Stafforda and outstanding year and did so
without really a running game. And you know the Packers,
but that that division is not You're you're right if
you say NFC East, then the NFC South I'm overrating

(01:11:39):
or I everybody I talked to in the nfls like
Tampa's got talent and Jamison year three is gonna be
really really good. So we'll see. But my point was
more the a f C like a f C East,
UM an f C North always tough, Right, Bengals had
a down year, but they're gonna be good. Steelers gonna
be really good. We'll see about the Raven, so see

(01:12:00):
if they've turned the thing around. They were disappointing last year.
An FC South always always like Jacksonville's got players. Eventually
give me Jacksonville like I'll believe you want to see
don't don't tell Clay Travis that because Tennessee Titans watch out.
I believe you want to see it. Colin had an

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Colin had an interesting look at where the best NBA
players come from. Basketball talent comes from everywhere. You would think,
based on recruiting that Duke Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas, Arizona, and
Syracuse would deliver most of the NBA stars. But in
last year's first teams, second team, and third team, here's

(01:16:06):
where the players went to school San Diego State High School,
Arizona State, Texas, Greece, U c l A. Davidson Washington, Marquette, Texas,
A and m and USC. Like basketball and football, talent
comes from everywhere. You look around the NBA right now,
man basketball talent, most of the great players did not

(01:16:27):
go to Duke Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Syracuse, Yukon, Michigan State.
I mean, look around. It really remarkable. Russell Westbrook went
to U c l A. Lebron James obviously straight out
of high school, k D from Texas, James Harden, Marizona State.
We know Steph Curry, Paul George, Fresno State, Damian Lillard,

(01:16:47):
Weber State, Kauai State, John wall Is Is Kentucky. Kyrie
Irving was duked for like eleven games, right, Chris Paul Wake,
Brad Beal was Florida, Mike con Lee, Ohio Date Paul
millsap Law Tech. Gordon Hayward was from Butler, Isaiah Thomas Washington,
Jimmy Butler, Marquette, CJ. McCullum, Lee High To, Marja Rose

(01:17:10):
in Usc, Blake Griffin Oklahoma, Marcus all Overseas Um, Jeff Tigue,
Jeff ti was Wake as well, Kevin love U c
l A. Avery Bradley also Texas, LaMarcus Aldridge also Texas,
George Hill, Tony Parker, Kyle Lowry, We're gonna We're gonna
hear from Jay right join us next Arty Um. I

(01:17:35):
would look. The greatest depth of talent though, is that
Kentucky has been producing a ton of an incredible group
of the DeMarcus cousins. Anthony Davis's, John Walls, Devin Booker's like,
there's a bunch of Kentucky guys. But what Colin might
be missing on this is are you better off to

(01:17:57):
go somewhere and develop as an alpha? Like this is
my thing with one even one and dunes whether or
not you should come out. So oftentimes we get infatuated
with you should come out if somebody's going to draft you.
But in my by my estimation, sure somebody's gonna draft,
you gotta consider it. But did you dominate your age group?

(01:18:17):
You can't dominate your age group, how are you going
to dominate an older age group? And so one of
the things that I think you find from players at
schools maybe off the normal beaten path or not in
the blue bloods is when they if they came out early,
it was because they were so incredibly dominant statistically and

(01:18:40):
sometimes wins and losses wise at that school, and and
not playing around other stars allows them to flourish because
they have to carry their team instead of going and
playing with the five best players to which it can
hide some of your strengths and some of your weaknesses

(01:19:00):
and doesn't have your developmentr list much. We'll ask Jay
right about it up coming next time. That's what the
Fox said, he's gonna join us. I'm gonna ask him,
but he's I'm all time winning his class at Villanova.
We'll ask him if he thinks Josh Hart's can be
a first round draft pick tonight, and we'll ask him
about the idea of are you better off going to

(01:19:21):
your own team? You know, are you better off going
to a place to which you're the guy, you're the out.
I have this one remaining thought as we lose some
of you on serious X about christophs prosingis Do I
think they would trade him if there is a huge
package for it. Yeah? Do you want to give me
two three players and a draft pick and already have

(01:19:42):
a draft pick. I can make a new, whole new team.
I would do it. But to me, what Phil Jackson
did last night was he tweaked the persingis camp. I'm
still mad. I'm still mad about you missing that that meeting. Right,
And if you think you're so right, fine, let's see
if the league thinks you're that great, if you're a unicorn,

(01:20:04):
if you're worthy of all these picks and players, then
somebody will bid for it. If not, it's because, hey, dude,
you're good, but you ain't that good. Getting to camp.
Get ready, help us win and then you'll get that
max contract that you want and you two can change
the culture of the place. Jay right, next, what oppensite

(01:20:25):
dog Got lip Show? Fox Sports Radio coming to you
live and direct from the City of Angels, getting ready
for tonight's NBA Draft. You know this is gonna be
a fascinating night because you have tangibles versus intangibles. And look,
there's a continuum there. You can't be all on the
sides of athleticism and upside and not have basketball like

(01:20:49):
Q toughness, uh, and the ability to buy into the
team concept. On the other hand, you can't be you know,
it's like the wide and Aaron Craftmaker or why wasn't
Tyler Hansborough better pro like, you can't be all intangibles
like there's a there's a magical mix there, right, But
I think there's there's something to it. The Celtics, for example,

(01:21:12):
and many of these teams valuing Josh Jackson maybe a
deer and fox Lonza Ball even won games even if
he's not a great athlete. But but Jackson is the
guy there, bass boy, the the intangibles has tangibles as
an athlete, but intangibles as a winner and toughness. And
then you kind of get later on in the in

(01:21:34):
the draft now becomes even more about intangibles versus tangibles.
You know, do you take an eighteen year old who
looks the part, or do you take a two year
old who is the part but you're worried that he's
topped out. That's a great question. Let me ask Jay Right.

(01:21:54):
He's Villanova's head coach. Of course, Josh Hart is the
National player of the Year. One national championship two years
ago for them, one another one a what a big
East championship for him again this year? And Jay Right
kind enough to join us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um,
obviously Josh's intangibles are off the charts. But here's the

(01:22:15):
guy who could have left last year to win national change.
You came back and is a better player. You know
his draft stock? Is it better now than it was
last year? Yeah? How you doing? My man? Good listening
to your intangibles and tangibles. I think you're right on man.
I think that's really UM. I think it's a challenge

(01:22:37):
for all the the NBA guys that have to make
those decisions, I think, and I think they really struggle
with it with the draft because I think they they
tend to take the chance on athleticism because they don't
want to miss out and it makes it. But they know,
as basketball UH aficionados that the more UH cure and

(01:23:00):
prudent choices get get a proven basketball player. They know it,
but they kind of get um, they get sucked into
their one chance to get that guy that becomes the Um,
the Durant or you know, the Westbrook or the Harden,
more of the Harden in the Westbrook. So, um, John,
to answer your question, Josh is uh, he really is

(01:23:21):
a better player and he and he's better prepared, um
emotionally and in terms of his maturity to be a
successful pro. Um. He really became a leader, a great
decision maker on the court. Um he's got he's young
for his grade, so he just turned twenty two. UM

(01:23:44):
and and he's he's got a lot of but he's
got a lot of experience behind him. And um and
and he and he's and I do think you and
you you you used the term as a guy going
to be topped out, which is what they worry about.
I think he has improved so much over four years.
He still got the ability to improve in the league
and get better. Yeah. But but isn't the tangibles and

(01:24:06):
intangibles You go through that a little bit in recruiting, right,
And you know I have you and I have discussed
that in into After your first Final four run, you
guys went after more of the tangibles. You guys went
after more of those top twenty five kids and you
load it up, but it didn't fit who you were.
Now you got kids with better intangibles, and then you
improve their tangibles and you went and asked champion, you
win four straight big he's the dominant team in the

(01:24:26):
Big East Conference. Like that's that's a struggle for coaches
at at kind of all levels. Exactly right. And although
the the um probably if you don't get that top
guy in recruiting, it's not as glaring as if you
pass on that guy. Um, you know who was it

(01:24:50):
was it Portland's that didn't take Michael Jordan's and then
you know they didn't take Kevin and then it didn't
take Kevin Rant they took Greg Odin together, right, you know,
so you know that that just kills your franchise winning
in college basketball. You know, if you miss on that
guy and he's one and done, he's out of there
in a year, and you still got your your guy
with the intangibles and that guy's that guy's getting better

(01:25:13):
and better for you. But it is, it's it's exactly right.
Doug gets that. It is that that decision we all
have to make and uh and I think you know,
you know, when we recruited Josh Hart, he wasn't It
was it was simple like this, this guy's got potential,
great kid. He's gonna come in, be a great Teammate's
gonna get better every year. We don't know how good,
but he's gonna get better. I wouldn't have thought he'd

(01:25:34):
be a National Player of the Year candidate, but I
thought he could be um a potential pro but and
and now I think he's a kind of guy that
could possibly be a late round, first round draft choice
and go to the league and and get better in
the league because he's learned how to work at his craft.
Um and and he's and he's developed each part of

(01:25:56):
his game and he'll continue to do that. I'll tell
you the other thing that he has at j right
joining his course one national championship in National Coach of
the Year going back two years ago, he's got a
new book, Attitude Development of winning mindset on and off
the court. It's not it's not a new but it
was the Middle of the Year is a new book.
But it's still a really good book for you to
pick up and understand the mentality of how they've been

(01:26:17):
able to do what they've been able to do. Uh In,
uh in the main line and phil In at Villanova
uh In outside of Philadelphia. Um, you know, it's interesting
you mentioned uh what he's learned in college and now
he's grown, like because he's had to play power forward
for you, because he's played so many Like that's actually
more NBA basketball now. Like if you go back ten

(01:26:39):
years ago, Josh Hard has to be a to guard
and he's a little bit small. He's a little bit small.
It might be a little bit slow, and he's not
a good whereas now because he can guard several positions
and play several and like even within your offense where
you post up so you post up your cards. Like
that versatility, even at what would be an undersized you know,
small forward, is more valuable now than it was ten

(01:27:01):
years ago. It's it's just really strange on how the
game is kind of completely flipped. Yeah, you're exactly right.
He he would have been a guy that that said,
al right, he's got two guards size, but three man
skills and um, but now that versatility is important and
it's really interesting. As we talked to teams leading up
to this draft, teams certain teams are looking at him differently.

(01:27:25):
You know. Some of them are looking at him to
fill a two guards spots. Some of them are looking
him to fill what they would call a wing spot,
you know. And but in general, all of them love
his versatility and and and they love that he's a winner. Um.
You know, when the guys go through the workouts and
talk to the GM or coaches afterwards, they just say, um,

(01:27:47):
they use the term winning. He makes winning plays, his
kids a winner. And some people have even said to us,
some teams have said, we have a young team. He'd
be great for our culture. He'd be great to for
us to to help us to build this winning culture. So, um,
you know, as you talked about versatility and all the

(01:28:08):
intangibles are his strength. UM, help me out with with
what's going on in in the NBA. We could point
out how many years so many of the Warriors went
outside of Kevin Durant went to school. Obviously, Durant's a unicorn,
and that that kind of guy comes along once in
a generation, right, Um, But but there is something to
whether it's Clay going to Washington State and developing his

(01:28:31):
game and Steph go into Davidson and look, some of
this is out of necessity. You know, a CEC schools
didn't offer stuff, so it wasn't like he wouldn't have
gone if if offered. But but we look around and
a lot of these players have gone to the non Dukes,
to the they haven't gone to Carolina, and they're able
to round out their game become dominant players. Damian Lillard

(01:28:52):
at at a Weber State and then use that C. J. McCullum,
even his teammate with the Portland Trailblazers. Why has that
changed or is this just something we're now noticing, Um,
great question. I think I think we're we we got
so focused and enamored on the young talent and the

(01:29:15):
you know, the one and done guys, and the marketing
of those guys, Um, that I think we're noticing those
guys more because as you mentioned before, ten years ago,
there were a lot of guys like that. You know,
even the guys coming out of Duke in Kentucky were
three year guys. Even I think, um, Mike Dunleby I

(01:29:37):
think played three years at Duke, right, and and so
those guys did play for a long period. Hurly played
four right. I'm Hurly and later and those guys play
four years. So, Um, there's been a period of being
enamored with these guys and now you're starting to say, okay, yeah,
they're those guys are exciting for years so to watch.

(01:29:58):
But the teams that are winning, and you even look
at the Celtics, you know we're doing it and the
Spurs have done it. Um, the guys that are winning
have have veteran guys, right. None of these young guys
come in and I don't that's that's I don't. I
don't want to. I don't want to interrupt here. You

(01:30:19):
don't want to interrupt your flow. But I said that
to start the show. It's like, we're gonna talk about
all these players, but the real story is the veterans
who get traded, because those are the guys who actually
help you win games, right, like the young guys don't
help you win exactly, and and and it's also they
can It's really interesting with what's going on here in Philly. Um,
you know, we we've gone through this process right and
got all these young guys now and and now everybody thinks, uh,

(01:30:44):
you know, we're going to trade and get the first
pick and probably Mark folks. Now the fans thing said, Okay, now,
now we're gonna win it. And I know that Bryan
Colangelo and poor Brett Brown, they know, like we're just
bringing in these young pops to go against these Petrians.
Celtics are getting better and and you know Cleveland still
going to be good, and in Atlantis still got veterans,

(01:31:06):
so they don't. I think we're gonna be shocked here
and Philly, you're gonna have some talent, but these it's
gonna take time to win in this league. When teaching
teaching a team to win is the hardest. That's the hardest,
Like anybody can put in offense, but teaching a team
and how to win, how to those last five minutes
of the game, how to how to finish the team off,
and especially in the NBA games, they're all tied in
the fourth quarter. Anyway, Like I agree with you, and

(01:31:28):
you don't win with young guys. And they have all
they have talent, but they have all young guys. Jay
right joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show, the new
book Attitude, Development of Winning Mindset On and Off four.
Of course, he's one four straight Big East titles and
won a national championship going back a year ago. UM,
the discussion every year comes up about what's the right
thing to do with the one and done and Frankie,

(01:31:50):
the one and done has allowed, based upon how you're recruiting,
to compete at the very very highest level. Whereas you know,
if Duke and and Kentucky and Carolina, when Carolina lost
a kid even this year, they could they could keep
kids for longer. Maybe it would be harder at some
of the other schools to compete. But like, if you
could design devise a system, because you've done it for
so long and you've recruited all the different levels, how

(01:32:13):
would you do it? I would I would really go
with the baseball model. I love the baseball model. UM,
give those special guys like Lebron James and there's no
reason for him go to high school. You know I'm
in college. You know those special guys. Give them the
opportunity after high school to go right to the NBA.

(01:32:34):
But once you commit to college, UM, then stay for
three years, right and and that way you're gonna develop,
You're gonna mature, you're gonna be close to getting your degree,
You're gonna you're gonna be able to define what a
Collins basketball player is. You know, it's just it's hard.
You know, is a guy that played like six months

(01:32:56):
at Kentucky, Like, is that really the same kind of
guy as Josh Hart that played for four years? You
know that guy is more of a professional. You know,
he's spent six months in college seven months, but then
he's spent his really his whole life as a professional
basketball player. I think it it helps, it would help
us define the game. I think it would help the
NBA define, all right, who who is the kind of

(01:33:19):
guy that we we bring in at a young age,
maybe playing in a D league a little bit and
develop them, you know, the Lebrons and and those kind
of guys Kobe Bryant's um and that. But but if
you're a college guy, we know we're gonna get. We're
gonna get a guy it's been in calls for years,
he's matured, he's learned how to play the game. And
now and now you have everybody coming into the league

(01:33:42):
is a is a complete player. Right now, You've got
a lot of guys on the young teams that they're
not even they really weren't successful college players, just great
potential guys. But here's the here's the and I agree
with like, I actually think that's the untold part about
Dwight Howard, right, that he never he hadn't developed, and
so they just kind of put it together on the

(01:34:02):
fly because he didn't have game like he was a
dominant rebound, we didn't have go never developed a go
to offensive move anyway. And there's a lot of guys
like that where they have that arrested development, if you will.
The problem with it is this, yea, the first year
they put in the rule where you can go straight
out of high school, they all go, don't they don't.
They all put their name in and they're all like, well, fine,
I gotta get because I can't get my second contract

(01:34:24):
lest I get up my first contract. The the the
other the part about the baseball rule that people don't
discuss is one you can get draft and still go
to college and too even if they draft you, now
you don't get any money really your first four years
in the big leagues, like you have the minor league system.
So is there is there any sort of tweak and
adjustment you can make because basketball is different. My big
fear is you do the baseball rule, and they all

(01:34:47):
go because they all think they're gonna get drafted. And
based upon how the n c A has always ruled
this thing, once you put your name in, you become
a professional, you have an agent, you're done. And now
so we have like a whole class of kids. And
then of course then then then you know, kids that
would normally go to the lower end of the SEC
I'll go to Kentucky and kids that would go to

(01:35:10):
you know, the mid majors go to the lower end
him and it be it becomes more of a water down,
uh water down a year or two for recruits. I
think people have become, um, far more sophisticated about this process.
I don't. I don't think um that would happen. I

(01:35:32):
think and and I think college basketball has gotten so
big and the if it's even you know, think about
the time that you played, Doug and and now when
if when these guys come out of college basketball, like
our guys for instance, um, when they finished playing like
they're doing. They're doing signings and getting paid for for

(01:35:56):
signing you know, paraphernalia, they're doing car dealership, uh average
you know, they should go to school. They create they
create a brand for themselves by staying in school. I
I agree what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I
think guys have figured out now and this has gotten
so big that you're getting you're creating a brand in

(01:36:18):
college now, UM, that they can almost carry you into
the real world even if you don't make the NBA.
You know, you become almost you've almost become like a
you know, a professional celebrity in college basketball now and um,
and and those few guys will go. And I also
think the guys, some of those guys, a few guys

(01:36:41):
that have gone overseas. Brandon Jennings did it right for
a year. Um, the point guard for the the Denver Nuggets,
did it right. He went to China. If if guys
don't want to be in they're the guys I think
that hurt college basketball and hurt themselves when they go
to college and they have no interest in being in college.
Those guys go to the D League for a year.

(01:37:02):
Let them go to China or Europe. They're the ones.
The guys that go for three years rarely hurt themselves. Rarely.
It's the guys that go to college that don't want
to be in college and they have to. We're fortunate
to go for a year. It hurts coaches, it hurts programs,
it hurts the kid, and they're still not prepared for

(01:37:23):
the NBA. It's your most successful senior class and anybody's
ever had at Villanova. It's a hell of a basketball program.
And tonight I know the culmination for all those guys
to see what what Josh does where he goes. I
know you'll be rooting hard for him. The book that
Jay Wright has written Attitude developed a winning mindset on
and off the court. J always great to catch up
with you, whether in Philadelphia or out in the circuit

(01:37:44):
this summer. I hope to see you and I appreciate
you joining me. You got it man, Good luckily, Doug,
Thank you, Jay Wright, Villanova head coach. Why tonight's NBA
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dealer near you. Doug Golip Show, Fox Sports. Ready, I'm
fired up, man, I kind of a yell like pasting myself,
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good dude, good dude. Um. I have his book and

(01:39:35):
I've read almost all of it is really really good.
And then I like started. I was one of those
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think like two chapters laught. I gotta finish that thing off.
Flying home to the East Coast tonight. There's another book
called Flow. Have you guys heard about this book called Flow? No,
that's supposed to be kind of a positive energy book,
all right, but j Wright's book is a good one one. Yeah.

(01:40:02):
The the thing about the NBA draft tonight is I
do think that this year is an interesting year. Mark
l Folks, most of you didn't see him pay because
his team was bad and he was on the West coast.
He was like a combination of thing. He's in Seattle,
which if you've ever been to Seattle, you get off
You're like, Wow, it's beautiful here, really nice, right, Like
this is really far from the rest of the world. Right,

(01:40:26):
It just is it's one of those. It's one of
those cities. San Diego is equally far from the rest
of the world. I know that people like, oh San Diego,
and it was amazing. It is, but it's not essentially located.
Miami's uply, but but Seattle to most of the continuous
United States, it's not like San Diego is a couple

(01:40:49):
hours from Los Angeles, whereas Seattle is a couple hours
from Portland, and it's just different. So you get off
the plane and Seattle, like, man, is it nice up here?
There's a lot of trees. Man, are we far from
the rest of the world. So it's Seattle. It's Pacific
Coast time, which means you don't see their games, you know, normally,

(01:41:11):
and their team wasn't good, so you don't watch them
in the n c A tournament. But the good thing
is most of the rest of the elite draftees, there's
not a ton of foreign players. There's some Duke kids,
Kentucky kids. Marketing is that you might have seen Dennis
Smith that one time they live up Duke and beat Duke.
Otherwise you haven't seen him. Josh Jackson and Kansas you

(01:41:32):
saw him a Ton, Like. The one thing is like
you've actually seen him. The thing I hate is NFL
draft is when guys like, oh, yeah, you know I
saw him play like it was football. If it's an
offensive lineman, like, you don't know how a great offensive
line film? I don't wow. Great feet, good feet, good hands,

(01:41:53):
Like we are you talking about? Do you see a strop?
Staff was amazing right in a place called funhouse Trold
stephen A. When stephen A remember he came off a
vacation to rip the pick of christophs prezingis you guys

(01:42:14):
remember that there's video of it. He's like, I came
off vacation to say how terrible picked this was? Should
have taken Justice Winslow, which is kind of what everybody says,
right like justice Winslow. I saw win a national championship
for Duke. So he's left handed, he's athletic, his dad
was a player. He's got to be better than some
four and seven ft two kids who looks like a dufus, right,

(01:42:39):
and then you're like, then they drive him like, oh
he's kind of cool, he's actually kind of awesome. He's awesome,
um so um. There's not a lot of foreign kids
you see most so you'll at least have some form

(01:43:01):
of knowledge, some basis of knowledge in which to decide
if you like or don't like to pick. But that's
not the exciting part of this. The exciting part is
going to be does the markets Aldridge get traded? Does
Paul George get traded? Does Kevin Love get traded? Carmelo
Anthony Christopher perzingis like, now I'm in because those are
the guys you win with. It's it's always fascinating to

(01:43:26):
me how people will say the baseball idea that baseball
do like remember like baseball is so different. Do you
guys know when basketball, you can go straight out of
high school to the D League. There's nothing prohibiting you
from going from high school playing the D League and
next year the D League salaries are actually the top salaries.
A couple of team, a couple of players on team
can make seven figures six figures on a D League team.

(01:43:47):
Do you know why no one does it? Because of
what Jay Wright told us. When you're in college, we're
just promoting you, whether it's Fox, ESPN, CBS, we just
promote you, and we just promote you. We are promotion
that's why vitality. Oh right, yes, we promote the coaches

(01:44:08):
and Markowski and Judge Keeller, Perry Mark do Mark fucked?
Oh and Roy Williams right so, but he also don't
tell you about Jose Jackson. We just become promotional tools.
People diminish the value of college for a myriad of reasons.

(01:44:30):
But the number one thing college brings is where your
marketing department. Schools market their players, networks market the players. Yes,
you market the coaches because those are the only guys
that we actually know because everybody else is gone the
next year. Players can come straight at high school, go
to go to the pros, then go to the D League.
Oh it's not enough money, Well that's something you said before,

(01:44:51):
you said there was no money. There's a value there
in college basketball is more valuable than playing in the
D League. But the other thing they don't say about
Major League Baseball is like those guys don't make any
money until maybe their fourth year if they have absolutely
crushed the league. And that's after going through the minor leagues.

(01:45:13):
So even if you're a superstar and you spend two
years in the minors, then you have to then you
spend four years in the bigs before you get arbitration eligible,
and then you start to make money. Mike Trout just
started making two years ago. Mike Trout was the best
player in baseball. He made a million dollars a year.

(01:45:35):
Now the back end of it, he's going to make,
you know, three hundred. Actually, his deal is long term.
He is not making crazy signed and that's the reason
they got him was because like, hey, look, we'll give
you a hundred fifty million now, and you don't have
to wait until you're fourth, fifth, and sixth year. Will
start paying you in your third year. Like why did
Mike Trout sign for such little money, because otherwise he

(01:45:56):
wouldn't have made anything. I Aaron Judge has had the
best first half of anybody in the American League, right,
I think a couple hundred grand I got want the
baseball deal. Like, okay, I'll bet the owners would love
to have the baseball deal. If you complete the baseball
deal with you're not gonna make any money in the

(01:46:17):
first four years of service. There's a lot more to
it than that. But I don't think we're gonna be
fascinated by tonight. Like Zach Collins, you saw play four
or five times in the n C A term, you
may have formed an opinion, but he's not going to
play a ton Next year. You'll see Alonzo Ball play

(01:46:39):
a bunch. It's because his team stinks and if he
goes to the Lakers will have to help kind of
lift them up. But they're not gonna be a playoff
team with Alonzo Ball next year. These guys are so
young and it's so very early in their development that
you draft him and then you just have to remember.
It's like like signing day. You have to remember so
long before they actually come to fruition to becoming those players.

(01:47:01):
The meat of what happens tonight, the interesting thing is
prozingis is LaMarcus Aldridge, is Paul George is Kevin Love,
is DeAndre Jordan's. Those guys get traded. Every fan base
thinks they're the best. We have proof on who the
best fan based actually is. That's after we find out

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and Metal World Peace Canna join me at four on
the West, seven on the East. We're gonna an NBA
Draft show an hour before the draft starts talking about
all the topics, all the players, and then when the
draft comes down, we're gonna talk about every one of
the picks, every one of the trades. And when the
first round is over and they start naming guys that
no one's ever heard of that have the the symbol

(01:48:10):
for Boron in their last name, we're gonna piece out. Okay,
is that cool? Good? Let's get to the press, the press,
Dan Buyer. Of course, we're gonna start off with I'll
start off with rumors. Doug every day always said, my

(01:48:32):
rum song is banana Rama. Banana Rama reminds me of
one of my favorite childhood candies. You know what it was? Unts,
peanut butter inside there. Okay, I thought it was maybe
the runts because the banana is my favorite bananas, your favorite.
The runs don't taste different though, like they all taste

(01:48:53):
the same. It's not like jelly beans where they all
taste different, they taste like they look or whatever. Uh
have you guys ever played what's the jelly bean game
where some of them are gross? What is it called? Uh, Ramos,
you've got kids, Yeah, Lucas does it all the time.
What is that called? It's they have like a one
that tastes like boogers. Yes, uh, not good. It's like
a jelly game. Kids, bad kids can't get enough anyway? Sorry,

(01:49:15):
by go ahead, all right, let's start. Let's start. Completely
got off track there, He doesn't even know like what
England was thinking of the case study to get the
flavor of boogers down. That's uh, you gotta go through
a committee. Anybody's eating a booger. Ye. The vertical reports
at the Timberwolves are interested in Jimmy Butler Paul George

(01:49:36):
and they're shopping Ricky Rubio. Yeah about that, Yeah, I mean,
uh uh Ramos is interested in in an open relationship,
but his wife's not going for it. So you know, like, yeah,
I we'll tell you Ricky Rubio for Jimmy Butler. Deal
that's gonna happen, Susan. That was Gottli Hey. Brian Winhorse

(01:49:58):
the ESPN saying the Cat was in Spurs talking about
a possible deal involving Danny Green. That intriguing it all,
Doug Danny Green, Huh what they I mean? Would you trade?
I guess j R. Smith? Is that why? J R?
Smith tweeted out by by Cleveland. Who knows? Maybe Danny
Green would hit that shot that Kyle Korver missed. He would,

(01:50:19):
But what goes back? Like? What do they have to
trade back in return for San Antonio? Remember Danny Green,
as much as he's limited, he is a starter for
the San Antonio Spurs, right, So man, that that would
be That would be fascinating. Fact, Danny ky Digger has
an interesting career like he's one of those guys like
Avery Johnson, cut several times by the Spurs, only to

(01:50:40):
know and make it because it starter win a championship
with them. My question is always like, no one's untradeable.
What goes back in return? I always loved Danny Green
in North Carolina? Yeah, I love that. Salt Lake Tribune
Jazz are in on. Patrick Beverley talks with the Houston
Rockets and the Desert News in the Salt Lake City
area says the Jazz could also try to move up

(01:51:01):
to the mid first round to try to get someone
in this deep draft so the Jazz could be active
as well. Look, I I continued to believe that there's
like ten teams we're even talking about who are gonna
be super active tonight. Um, Portland's got a bunch of
picks tonight in the first round. Like what do they
do with them? Um? You know the Pelicans have gone
all in with their big guys, Like what do they
do for their perimeter players? And you mentioned the Jazz.

(01:51:24):
Are they keeping Gordon Heyward? How did they They're losing
George Hill. They have to find either they have to
find a replacement uh for George Hill, and they have
to find a way in which they can keep Gordon
Hayward happy. How about this ESPN report that the Clippers
offered DeAndre Jordan's to the Celtics for the number three
pick in the draft, so the Clippers could take Josh Jackson.
But Boston declined, Clippers don't have a pick in this draft. No,

(01:51:48):
But I I would have done that if I was Boston. Yeah,
if you were down on DeAndre Jordan makes a lot
of money, but they have some cab space. Look, DeAndre
Jordan can. I mean, he can just end you as
a shop locker. He's a fairly a non offensive player
outside of dunking. But I think he's he's one of
those guys that's gone from It's like Porzingis went from
underrated coming into the draft to wildly overrated. Like he's

(01:52:11):
a really good player and he may become a star,
but he's not a star. He's not a star just yet. Uh.
DeAndre Jordan has gone from being overrated two or overpaid
to being kind of underrated now, Like he didn't stink,
Like there's some there's limitations with his game, but dude
can still block shots, can still finish, and it's just

(01:52:31):
he's a skyscraper. I think there's value to and a
guy who wouldn't complain not getting the ball. Yeah, so
it's said, I call him low maintenance skyes, but like,
you don't have to run a play for DeAndre Jordan ever,
and he'll be fine. You touched on this earlier, but
want to keep people up to date. The Chiefs today
extended ed go Chandy Reid, but then a few minutes
later announced that they were parting ways with general manager
John Dorsey and now there's reports is saying that Dorsey

(01:52:54):
wanted a contract extension but wasn't given one. That this
is more of a Chief's decision to move on from
Dorsey than maybe Dorsey wanting to stick around for Seen
and then moving on after that. Chi's Chi's for twelve
and four last year. Um, they there their salary cap
situation at least in is awful, So this may be

(01:53:16):
a a Let's win and then we'll start over with
the pat Mahomes era after that. Seems to be what
they're saying. And the question is what is this is?
Haven't we already seen the ceiling um with Alex men
in their quarterback? We'll see in Seen? How about this
from the NFL? Professor Michael Lewis at im University came
out with a study to determine the best fans of

(01:53:38):
the league. This study showed that the Cowboys edge the
Patriots for the top spot. The Chiefs actually in this
poll were last, with the l a Rams second to last.
What was the formula by which he used? According to
the report, that he used three criteria, fan equity, social
media equity, and road equity. Road equity is how much

(01:53:58):
these teams would draw on the row for fan wise
social media, how active the team's names. Yeah, I think
this is pretty awful. I don't think anybody in the
world thinks that the Chiefs have the worst fans and
think that the Cowboys have the best fans. When Jerry's
world can be half filled with opposing fans at times. Well, look,
I think I think that if you want to say,

(01:54:18):
how will they travel, Um, I don't think fans actually travel.
I think fans live other places. It's not the Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay Packers, Dallas Cowboys when they go
on the road. Um, New York Giants. You know there's
there's ex patriots from their home city. But like Jacksonville Jaguars,
Tennessee Titans, like you ever been anywhere, was like, hey,

(01:54:40):
who's your football team? Like Jaguars. It literally has never
happened before ever ever in my life. Like even the
Arizona Cardinals have been decent. Like nobody's like, man, I'm
a hardcore Arizona Cardinal fan. Like it didn't happen. This
is a terrible, terrible list. Kancy Chiefs atmosphere at home
games is arguably the best in the sport. It's close

(01:55:02):
to a college atmosphere or passionate fans. Do they travel? No,
because you know, like they wouldn't live in Kansas City
unless they had I'm kidding on one final one, Doug
is the bell just tells me to wrap it up.
The Astros jumped out to a two, texting you go,
don't you go with rams with the I want to
open relationships? Uh, this is Suzanne saying, what about Johnny

(01:55:25):
on that open relationship? No, this is my jelly bean
boogers guy texting me. Um. The Astros jumped out to
a tend nothing leading the second inning today in Oakland. Um,
with the day game in the Bay Area, when do
you leave, Doug? If it's tend nothing Houston heading to
the bottom of the second, do you just leave vanity
sticker on? Well, first thing is nobody goes to games
in Oakland anyway, right, Like, seriously, you've seen that a

(01:55:47):
place is in fact a dump, like they have sewage
problems in the dugout. When do you leave? Uh? Probably
like fifth sixth inning? Right, Well, say start wheeling pictures,
You're like check. Please. The good thing about Oakland is
you know you can get on the bar and you
kind of go wherever the bad news is. Somebody actually

(01:56:08):
paid money to see that crap. You get out there
and pressed that was the press. Houston Assers have a
lot of young talent. I mean there, I'm not surprising
to me that they're the best team in that division.
I'll tell you why. Phil Jackson might be a little gruff,
might be a little rough around the edges. It's not crazy.
It's next. All right, I'm gonna take my car, dropping

(01:56:41):
off my friends. Oh h, there we go, coming out
in three to one. Coming up Friday in the Dug
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the NBA Draft is over all, break it all down
for you. Who's draft do we love? Who's draft to

(01:57:04):
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didn't want him to do? All the latest trade rumors
from the NBA. What Derek Carr got paid? If Derek
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tonight you're gonna have two doukies covering the the draft.

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Like look, I like, dude, I got nothing against Dukies,
But what happens with your own school is you're either uh,
extra harsh and your critique or extra supportive in your
infatuation for them, right so, and look, I think Billis
and Jay Willim is pretty good. Um, I don't love
the layout of how they how they've done the draft,

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Like I always when I did the draft at ESPN
was always on radio, and you know, like there wasn't
we weren't arguing back and forth because you didn't have
like video to support. We just we discussed which is
what we're gonna do here tonight me Christmassar Metal World Peace.
We're gonna I'm gonna take an hour off. Gorman coming
on for an hour, Steve Gorman for a Now, the
Gorman boys gonna come out for an hour, and that'd
be cool. They'll give you their take on tonight's draft

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and probably Derek Carr's contract what that means to the
rest of the league? Their car, new contract, Biggesson in
NFL history or or most per year right dollars per year? Yeah,
sale puig pimping a home run, upsetting the Mets. I
love what Terry Collins said, Like, we got a lot
bigger problems than pimping a home run, dude, a lot

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of bigger problems. But um, I just like I think
billis is good, but like having one person's opinion on
a player is not really the way it should work. Right,
Like it was me and I was doing that draft show,
I would have a couple of people, I go to
a room and have a boardroom and have guys discussed

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who a team should take. What's it really like in
one of those rooms, Hey, we should take Jayson Tatum
at three for the Boston Celtics. Here's why we should
take Josh Jackson. You know we sho take we take
Dennis Smith, we should take Jonathan Isaac right there. But
I got plenty of time to wax poetic that's upcoming

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at four o'clock West coast, seven o'clock East coast. Phil Jackson.
It might be a case of the Peter principle. You
guys know what Peter principles. Peter principal is when you're
advanced beyond your level of aptitude. So like if you're
a great salesman, sometimes I make you a sales manager.
Then you're a good sales manager. Then they make you

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like a CMO Chief Marketing or CFO, and you're like, well,
I don't know where I'm doing your advanced past your
level of aptitude. So it might be it with Phil Jackson.
He was a great coach. Now you make him as
a president. He's like, got no idea. It's very possible.
Or it could be you know, dumb like a fox
where I think people look at and they're like, what's

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he doing with Christops? Prezingis why is he tweaking Chris
Christops Prozingis. Phil Jackson's doing one of two things. One,
he's like, hey, if somebody wants to make a home
run deal for Prozingis, who I really like. I think
he's a tremendous player. Is he a superstar? If he
was a superstar, wouldn't we be better? Right now? This
is a win win for Phil. Right feed trades Perzingis

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for a home run, a plethora, a Smorgan Borg, a
cornucopia of talent from Boston. Now he can remake his team.
And if he doesn't, well, if he doesn't, he can
go to christophs Perzingis and go, hey, dude, I think
you're a unicorn. I think you're worth three players, but
nobody else in the league does. Otherwise I would have

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treated you. So how about we get to work on
rebuilding this team? Now? Huh what do you say? I mean?
He went on TV last night and be like, well,
he said he loves Perzingis, but he's got to do
with what's best to the team. That's accurate, completely and
totally accurate. He's got to do what's best for the team.

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So we'll see what Phil does. But he's made they
made some good draft picks. You got the Lakers. I
think the Lakers will take Lonzo Ball. I believe the
Celtics if they draft, will take Jayson Tatum. I think
the uh the Sons will take Josh Jackson, and the
Kings will take Darn Fox. We'll be back in an

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