Paul George Is Going To The... Celtics?

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Boom, what up? But Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio
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like the traffic in the valley. So we got that
going for us, which is which is nice. Uh. Jared Dudley,
longtime NBA starter and uh contributor to the show, He's
gonna join us upcoming in fifteen minutes. We'll get his
thoughts on the newest report from Adrian war Zanowski that
the Celtics not really a surprise pursuing Gordon Hayward. But

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what may be a surprise or kind of breaking news
if you will, is one Woad breaking it so it
feels like a set up for a WOJ bomb, and
two it's in combination with the potential to acquire Paul
George via trade. And this all makes just way too
much sense, right Like Gordon Hayward is a former recruit

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of and player of the head coach of the Celtics.
And oh yeah, by the way, sorry, Like we've talked
about this time and again on radio, Like you feel
like a white star can only play a couple of places,
Utah being one of them, Boston being another. And then
Paul George the the potential to trade for the Pacers

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star who has the most assets out there? Well, that
would be the Boston Celtics. So it makes all too
much sense individually. Can they both collectively get there? And
if they do well, now, what do we think of
the Celtics chances? Right? And like, the the big thing

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was they could not compete with the star caliber players
of the Cleveland Cavaliers in the playoffs. You add to
all stars, and that argument seems to have changed greatly.
And and this would this would be a little bit
like when Denver signed West Welker. Like the signing of
Wes Welker didn't pan out as well as some would

(02:12):
have liked it to. But remember part of what allowed
the signing to pan out enough was the fact that
they took him from the Patriots, and the Patriots are
were a FC teams. The Patriots, um, we're competing with
the Denver Broncos for a Super Bowl spot, and when
the Broncos signed him to a little bit more money
than the Patriots offered him and became a bitter divorce

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between Welker and the Patriots organization, one that had kind
of gobbled him up, traded for him up the scrap
heap in Miami. It wasn't just that they added a Welcer,
It's that they took him from the Patriots. If you
add a Paul George, it's not just that you're adding
a Paul George, but you take him potentially from the Cavaliers.
And then you have to ask yourself, if you're the Cavaliers,

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can we put the genie back in the bottle that
everybody knows we've been trying trying to trade Kevin Love,
and we know the answer to that. No, you can't.
You can't let it out that you were going to
divorce attorneys and then go back and go baby, I
had no idea. I wasn't planning, no intentions of going
through that. I just wanted to know more about the

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process of potentially getting divorced. You can't go back to
Kevin Love and be like, yeah, no, listen, we want
to keep you all along. We just want to get
your value to multiple teams, and it was a lot
lower than we thought, and so we're happy. It's hell
to keep you. We'll get to that with upcoming with
Jared Dudley in uh In Moments in Frankly ten minutes

(03:40):
Doug Otlib show, Fox Sports Radio. So apparently this is controversial,
That's what I'm told. Apparently this is controversial that John McEnroe,
who won a couple of majors, is by my estimation,
the foremost analysts in his sport and one of the
foremost analysts in any sport. John McEnroe was on NPR

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about his new book. Okay, it's been like fifteen years
in the making since his last book, and so apparently
part of what was written um written in his book
stated that Serena Williams was the best women's tennis player
of all time. The interviewer took offense to that, and

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here's the back and forth. Let's talk about Serena Williams.
You say she is the best female player in the
world in the book, best female player ever, no question.
Some wouldn't qualify it. Some would say she's the best
player in the world. Why qualify it, Oh, she's not
you mean the best player in the world period, Yeah,
best tennis player in the world. You know what, why
say female player? Well, because if she was, if she

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played the man circuit, she'd be like seven hundred in
the world, you think, So, yeah, that doesn't mean I
don't think Serena is like an incredible player. I do,
but there's you know the reality of what what would
happen on a given day. Serena could beat some some players,
I believe, because she's so incredibly strong mentally, But if
she had to just just play the circuit, the men's circuit,

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that would be an entirely different story. So somehow that
that's become controversial, Like somehow we've got into this era
where an absolute, true and respectful statement is in that controversial.
First of all, this is a flaw in the interview

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because if she's dumb enough to think that there's anybody
who actually believes Serena Williams is the best tennis player
in the world, there there isn't a soul alive who
whose opinion holds any sort of validity, any sort of credibility,
that actually believes Serena Williams is the best tennis player alive.
There isn't anybody, There isn't one single solitary person who

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covers sports for a living, who knows any thing about anything,
that actually thinks Serena Williams is the best player on earth.
Not a single soul, not a single soul. So the
first flaw is that the interviewer who read the entirety

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of the book um either is mistaken for what she
has read or what she may believe. But I mean
has her name is Lulu Garcia Navarro. She interviewed McEnroe
for NPR. Now, if she wanted to change it and say, look,

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isn't she the most dominant tennis player in comparison to
any tennis player we've had in the men's side, Like,
that's an interesting story. If she's more dominant than any
tennis player we've ever seen, Like, that's an interesting way
of looking at it. But there isn't anybody who actually
thinks she's the best, including Serena Williams, who said, for me,

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men's tennis women's tennis are completely different, almost two separate sports.
If I were to play any Murray, I would lose
six love, six love in five or six minutes, maybe
ten minutes. No, it's true. It's a completely different sport.
The men are a lot faster, they serve harder, they
hit harder. It's just a different game. I'd love to
play women's tennis. I only want to play girls because
I don't want to be embarrassed. Somehow this has become controversial,

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somehow the truth has become controversial, And a little bit
of this is our president, and a little bit of
this is us and searching for some way to possibly
be offended. How can we I tell people all the time. People,
if you wake up and you think who offended me today?
And how can I get them fired? This is a
you problem. The sound I heard was an all time

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great tennis player and all time great analyst for any sport,
and best analyst in the history of tennis, giving an
honest appraisal and a ton of praise towards Serena Williams,
calling her the greatest women's tennis player of all time.
The only problem was the interviewer had no idea about

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the sports she was discussing. Lulu Garcia Navarro, she pressed
him and when when she pressed him. Though though the
seven hundred number may have sent off alarms because most
of us didn't know there were seven hundred professional men's
tennis players. The fact was he didn't actually smash her
the way he could have smashed her. If you think

(08:36):
that that John McEnroe is a male chauven his pig
for his remarks, listen back to them. Let's talk about
Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player
in the world in the book Best female Player ever,
no question. Some wouldn't qualify it. Some would say she's
the best player in the world. What qualify it? Oh,

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she's not. I mean the best player in the world period. Yeah,
best tennis player in the well you know what, why
say female player? Well, because if she was, if she
played the men's circuit, she'd be like seven hundred in
the world. You think, so, Yeah, that doesn't mean I
don't think Serena is like an incredible player. I do,
But there's you know the reality of what what would
happen on a given day. Serena could beat some some players,

(09:19):
I believe, because she's so incredibly strong mentally. But if
she had to just just play the circuit, the men's circuit,
that would be an entirely different story. M hm hm,
Because if Mr Nasty, if the old John McEnroe came out,
if you really think that was a misogynists male chauvin

(09:40):
his pig, John McEnroe coming out, wouldn't he have said
something along the lines of that was one of the
dumbest questions I've ever heard. Or excuse me, it wasn't
even a question. It was actually a statement to which
no one actually agrees with. Some would say that she's
the greatest player in the world. No one would say

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that that is a false statement, and by the way,
that's not actually how you conduct an interview. What's controversial,
apparently is that John McEnroe did what he has always done,
which is speak the truth about the sport that he
knows a lot more about than any of us could

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ever hope to know, including said interviewer Lulu Garcia Navarro.
What this is to me, This is like when when
football players have to go to media day at the
Super Bowl, or when basketball players have these questions asked
from people who don't normally cover basketball. At the NBA Finals,

(10:47):
when somebody who doesn't know anything about sports interviews somebody
about sports and ask sports questions. It gets more than
borderline embarrassing. It is humiliating to people in this profession,
from the double header question, to the leading question, to
the statement question, to the trigger word question, to the

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talk about which isn't really a question. Lulu Garcia Navarro
exposed the fact that she was interviewing somebody about a
sport that she knew nothing about and made a completely
false statement that he actually led her off the hook
for while being as gracious as he could about, by

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his estimation, the greatest women's tennis player of all time.
So much to get to today, and I would like
to think that's the last time we'll get to that,
but I don't think it will. Jared de leell Jonas
up coming next, Let's just say the Pacers, Land, Paul
George Landgordon Heyward, How formidable? How formidable would they be?

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Fox actually had a show called Pitch last year. It
was canceled after one season. That's because it was built

(13:48):
on a ridiculous premise that there would be a female
picture um Ginny Baker number forty three for your San
Diego Padres pitching. Now, it's not a ridiculous used to
think that there could one day be a female picture
in Major League Baseball, just not a female picture that
doesn't throw a knuckleball in Major League Baseball. That's basically

(14:10):
the only way it's going to happen. Now, somehow that
would be seen as controversial, but it's not because it's true, right,
I mean, that's not disrespectful to women. That's respectful of
the skill that these hitters have and the power that

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it takes to pitch to these and the only way
in which you could see a a woman becoming a
starting pitcher or any because you're a picture in Major
League Baseball, would have to be a knuckleball. Now, I
actually think that would have a decent chance of happening. Now,
part of what it takes to throw a knuckleball is
you need really big hands, So there has to be

(14:56):
the specific kind of woman. But if it were to happen,
it would be a knuckleball pitcher. And I don't think
that Jinny Baker and uh, the ridiculousness of the premise
of the show is the reason that the show was canceled.
But doesn't help, right, doesn't help. John McEnroe is somehow

(15:20):
seen as controversial because all he said was, Serena Williams
the greatest tennis player ever, but she can't compete with
men because they're too fast, too strong, something that she
had said previously. If that's controversial, slow too must do
the idea that there's never going to be a female
starting pitcher in Major League baseball unless a woman learns

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to throw a knuckleball. But even when you throw a knuckleball, one,
it has to be moving and it takes big hands
to do so. And too, you still have to have
the ability to throw a couple of other pitches. You
don't just throw a knuckleball. Knuckleball, knuckleball, knuckleball, maybe an
RBI baseball when you're Phil Nekro pitching. I believe for
the Detroit Tigers, that's the only maybe that I could

(16:06):
think of. It's the only maybe I could think of.
But that's not controversial, and that's not disrespectful. That's actually
called facts. It's called facts. It's a lot like when
we discussed. There was a discussion this year that I
didn't love, and that's um Adam Silber, the commissioner the

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of the n B A openly opining and almost campaigning
for there to be a female head coach in the NBA. MHM. Now,
there's a lot of discussion to this, and first first
part is that you at least have to open up
to the possibility. And I don't think one single guy

(16:48):
in the locker room would care, but there would be
people that care, because, for whatever reason, in our country,
we choose choose to put our noses in other people's business.
I don't, but some do. But there's a strong likelihood
if you hired a female head coach as a head
NBA coach, you'd also be dealing with the fact that
you have your first ever gay head coach. Right, it's

(17:12):
a high percentage of UH female basketball players, former female
basket player football players who are in fact gay. It's
not a big deal, not a big deal to me.
But remember you would not only be possibly likely maybe
even hiring a a female for the first time to
which she's walking into a locker room that unless it's

(17:33):
a team that she had come up with, that she
had grown with. Unless that was the team, it's good.
It would be really hard to build on a on
an equal level of respect. It's not impossible, but hard,
very hard, very hard. But you'd also have to offer

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up the possibility that she would have played. There's a
high percentage of those uh of of female basketball players
who are in fact a And so there's a distinct
possibility that you're breaking through two glass ceilings at once.
And I get it, you're sitting home going out. Things
change things like hey, major organizations tied to corporations with

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sponsorship deals, those are the slowest to change of any
of our corporate cultures in our country. So that's not
offensive if I say there's there's never going to be
a female starting pitcher unless she throws a knuckleball. It's
highly unlikely that there's a uh an NBA head coach

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that's a woman. And I agree with John mcenron, like
Serena Leanners will get smacked mercifully or mercilessly if she
played tennis against the man. Yes, music, do you think
that if four there's maybe actual woman head coach in
the NBA, that perhaps a coach from women's basketball will

(19:07):
be in the NBA like a Gino Rima. No, do
you think that that would happen. If it were to happen,
it would happen before. Actually, someone like Becky Hammon. Um. No,
I think that Becky Hammon is the She's the princess.
I do think Becky Hammon is probably gonna get a shot.
I mean she remember she was offered the Florida head
coaching job and people thought she was taking it, then

(19:28):
the last second she didn't. Um. I think that there's
a there's a there's some possibility there that she's the
heir apparent, which frankly, she'd be leap frogging UH some
of the other assistance with the Spurs. But remember you
have a guy like Greg Popovich who has been politically
active in and and outspoken. You have Adam Silver who

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said he wants he'll he wants to help it happen.
Any of Becky Hammon who played there with the w
n B A team and she's been assistant and she's
been a summer league head coach. Do you think it's
more of an issue that players will have a problem
sort of respecting the opinion of a Becky Hammond, or perhaps,

(20:14):
like you said, with the sponsors, which would be the
bigger hang up. Oh no, it's the players with the
respect That's why. If she would she's probably the only
one who could work, and it would only be in
San Antonio where she's coached. And even that is a
stretch if she didn't have papovitch walking her watching her
back right right. R C Buford. R C be Buford.

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Wasn't there is the as the as a GM she
was a great player, a great player, you know, playing
in college at when she was a Colorado State I think,
and then she went to the w n B AS.
She was a six time All Star, two time first
team All w n B A. She played in the
Spanish League, she played in the Russian League, she got

(20:58):
a Russian passport, she played for Russian the Olympics. Like
she's well traveled, she's the first, she's interesting. But the idea,
they're like, hey, I want to run this because we
once ran it for Diana Trozzi, like that, You're not
gonna get this response you want from most players. So
I'd be fascinated to see what happens. And I didn't

(21:21):
say never, it didn't closed the door never ever, I
would um. I would say it's very very unlikely. I
don't think there will ever be a female picture in
Major League Baseball unless the one caveat is unless one
found a way to throw a knuckleball. And I don't
think anybody thinks any of this is controversial. I think

(21:43):
we search for things that are controversial. So I don't know.
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(22:30):
in Jared Dudley. The The report from Adrian Ward Zanowski
is that Jared Dudley joins his tenure NBA pro with
the Suns. Last year he joins us here on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio Jared. The report
is Adrian Ward Janowski saying that the Celtics feel good
about the possibility of of getting Gordon Hayward and they're
creeping closer to landing Paul George via a trade. Let's

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say that happens now, we don't know what goes back
in return, being a trund pick or maybe two from
next year for for George and probably another player we
don't know, and then you get Hayward as a free agent.
You don't have to give anything up in the process.
How formidable does that make the goal the Boston Celtics

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if they get Gordon Haywood and Paul who was I
would put them as the team defeats even over Cleveland.
The reason why I would say they have the assets
now to build gard Lebron with obviously Paul George to
put pressure on him. And I just think the ball
of movement they have with Lad you could Cleveland Beaten, Yes,
they definitely could, but I would put them one or

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two sea boats. Would be a six, seven game series.
With this team is young, they wouldn't be able to
trap Isaiah Thomas like they did in uh the conference finals.
Get the ball in his hands because if you trapped him,
now you're getting Paul George and Gordon Haywood, huge numbers
that attacked the basket. They're defense works so well. Agins
Isaiah because their role players weren't really don't really ready

(24:01):
for that finals massage versus Cleveland, but Paul George and
going hate would are would be amazing, Whn't I mean?
Like I think Jared that maybe the understated or underrated
part of the whole thing would be if they could
get Paul George, they wouldn't just get Paul George. They'd
be taking him potentially from the Cavaliers, Like I know

(24:22):
he's not a member of the Cavaliers. Take him out
the boards, and that lessens the possibility of them adding
or or moving Kevin Love to get another player to
compete with the Golden State Warriors. I think this is
doubly hurtful to the Calves if in fact, it does
come to completion. I'm with you, but I'm very doubtful
that you have a guy, Paul George who's been seeking

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to get to the the l A market, proferably the Lakers
for last three possible years. We've heard whispers of it.
His agent has come out saying that he will not
sign extension and prefers then, so he's speaking on behalf
of Paul George. Paul Jews would not tell his agent
if he didn't believe that. So do you think a
kid from l A who wants to play for the
Lakers is going to sign with the Boston Celtics. That's

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just the known So I believe you don't believe it. No, No,
I don't think it's honestly, like do you want to
play in l A? Like, yeah, I'd like to play
in l A. Or but do you want to play
in Boston for arguably the best coach or most respected
young coach in the NBA with a championship caliber team,

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And the sale is like, hey, Paul Pierce from l A.
He's had a pretty good career in Boston, and like
remember when I remember when it was like, hey, Kevin
Love is going to play for the Lakers. Period. Stop,
it's going to happen. His girlfriend and wife is from
l A, trains in l A. He lives in l A.
But then he got caught up with the Cavaliers. He
got won a championship, signed a Max contract, and now
he's been a Cavalier. So, like, you know, it's like

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you would you you played for the Clippers, would you
like to play in l A, coping close to San Diego?
You grew up like sure, But at some point it's
also a job, and you take the best job available,
and this is a better job. Okay, So what if
Paul George informs it Celtics and I don't mind. I
don't mind the trade, but I'm not I'm not gonna
guarantee I'm gonna stay passed this year. Would you still
make the trade? I would, But again that lessens his

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value in the trade, you know, every there's a balance there, right, Like,
I'm not giving up three players when I'm gonna have
the guy for for for eight nine months. But if
I and and part of the story is that they
believe that if they can get Gordon Hayward to commit,
they can sign him to a three year deal as well,
but what what? I yeah, I would go for it.

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I got Why not? What's the point of accumulating all
those assets when you're really really close? If you can
get a Gordon Hayward, you you don't go for it.
Jared Dudley joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show Fox
Sports Radio. Uh. We should also point out that this,
if this happened, it would be fairly damning to the
l A Lakers, right, that was part of their plan.

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There's news reports now that Russell Westbrook plans to sign
a contract extension to remain in Oklahoma City through next year.
Uh and beyond when his contract does in fact expire.
This could go from hey, we could we could get
Paul George. We could get Lebron James too. We got
Brandon Ingram and lanes of law. Well, I think the

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Lakers are in a good position this way. They kept
their sitting, they kept their top three picks in the draft.
But it could have been miserable for them. If they're
gonna have the top three and the pick with gods,
I think either Filly or someone. Well, now they have ball,
they have an identity, they have a point guard. It's
unselfish that wants to make others better. So free agent's
coming forward are gonna want to play for the Lakers
for one of the market and two for a point

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guard that they know is a pass first is gonna
make them look good. They got rid of mock off
contract with the need YouTube, so now you still have
games contract still looming. But then now you can feature Ingram,
which he didn't start the first half of the year
because the Dame was starting them. Now you feature him.
They're not gonna be a great team, but they're gonna
be improved. And I think not within this year, but

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I think next year a good free toent, maybe not
an all star will come there and you'll see the
turnaround for the Lakers the next three to five years.
And it could even be advanced if Paul George either
stays for three or four months more months gets traded
to the Celtics and they get him and free agency
letting and basically uh building the organization around him. Kara

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Dudley joining us on the Doug Ot Live Show Fox
Sports Radio. You mentioned that you had been here, you know,
and the NBA guys here things around the league. What's
the reaction on the league to Russell Westbrook being the
m v P well deserved. What he did was uh awesome.
Basically when it comes to them, the energy he has
to use to get triple doubles, I don't care if

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people say he was he was going after him. He
was stealing rebound, stealing assists. He's still averaged over thirty
points over tim assists over ten. So let's let's just
say he stole one or two a game. I understand
where people when they come to being on selfless, but
at the energy level, he has to be able to
do it for eighty two game season and being the
primary focus without Durant. He's incredible. I slew to him.

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I think it's well deserved. I think going forward he
has now changed the way the MPP is gonna be
looked at. I think even if I was a triple
double next year, I don't think he was good. Jared
Dudley Jared Dudley joining us UM. What about Brogden as
Rookie of the Year, Like, I think he had a
good year. I probably would have given it to Dario Sarge,
but the ideas he was a four year college player,

(29:23):
Sarge uh stayed over Stea sees to two extra years.
Isn't this really kind of doesn't this? And in many
ways embody the draft. The first round of the draft
is all about potential. In the second round of draft
is about who those guys are. That's why you get
so many juniors and seniors taking late. And and though
nobody believes Malcolm Brogden is gonna be a great pro

(29:44):
heading forward, he was a better pro than anybody in
the first round this year. And that should be alarming
in regards to how quickly you signed a guy doing
a new contract. I'm with you, three or four year
guys are getting bad reps because of potential and then
being older with the fresh and come up with a
lot more. I think we all would have agreed and
be would have an MDP if because just stayed somewhat healthy.

(30:06):
Stark had a phenomenal year. Like I think they rewarded winning.
They reward this guy, uh taking the starting points guard
a job. He was consistent. Uh. He gave highlight reels,
dunking on Lebron, dunking on no Noel, had a big
triple double in Chicago. I think he was just he
was a fishing forty from three fifty from the shield,
eighty plus from the free throw long. I think this

(30:28):
shows the draft last year wasn't his uh his talented
those people think, But a lot of the time is
is where you're drafted at Starwick had a great year.
If Ben Simmons would have been playing games, he could
have run. I just think going forward, you're gonna see
a lot more juniors and seniors name dropped in the
second round unless of six and six nine potinsel and
if there are six six nine, they're probably left after

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the freshman year. What do you think Chris Paul does?
I think Chris Paul stays to the Clippers only for
the month. I think let's just be honestly, you and
I'll staying here to win the championship. You're staying there
because they're gonna give five year max. Well, what about
Blake Griffin, the one the other part of the story
that people are talking about with Adrian Warsnowski. If for
some reason they can't get Gordon Hayward, they're gonna go

(31:09):
after Blake Griffin hard via free agency. Blake Griffin and
Paul George on the on the Boston Celtics. Does that
do it for you do, you do you still have
as stronger feelings about their potential as you do. If
it was Gordon Hayward, Blake's the wild card, I could
definitely see him leaving l A because he knows that

(31:31):
the his limit of potential is is capped off because
of Chris Paul and and and that him and being
such a primary ball himmer. I could easily see him
in Boston. I hadn't sent Miami at one point. I
think that unless uh l A offers him that fifth
year because of his injuries. But if he really wanted
to win, I think him and Blast seasons the perfect
fit would put him in great position. His athleticism and

(31:53):
be able to guard Lepron would help a little bit.
I think you could see him in Hayward together as
a better fit than him and Paul and Paul George
and Goring Heatwood. I would put them right below the cabs.
But they're they're upcoming, and the calves are getting older
and some of these old that's the caps have. They're
gonna have to regroup who we set which they will
need need anytime. You got Braun, you're bear. But look,

(32:15):
if Blake's really serious about potentially winning going further, Boston
will be a great fit. Well, that's Jared Dudley Tenure
NBA pro kind of have to join us and break
some stuff down for us. The Big News Today agent
Ward Zanowski saying the Celtics feel like they are close
to getting Gordon Heyward and then trading for Paul George,
Jay dund thanks so much for joining us, man, We'll
catch up real soon. Thanks for having me. All right,

(32:36):
that's the doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Gosh golly, I mean, can you imagine? Can you imagine?
Oh what a team that would be? And I do
actually believe, I totally believe that the league needs the Sixers,

(32:59):
this Celtics, and the Lakers to all be good like
they doesn't mean they have to win a championship, but
Boston and really they need the Knicks. Those are teams
that the NBA is healthy. But in order for the
NBA to be of supreme health in terms of their
basketball numbers matching up for it with what they asked
for from ESPN, from TNT, they gotta have those teams good,

(33:22):
healthy and good and if they do, the league. If
you think the ratings are high, now you haven't standing yet.
What are the chances it's a game will play upcoming next?
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yips that come next hour, Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio.

(34:02):
I'm actually broadcasting live from Tel Aviv. I'll take some
questions from the boys in a moment. First though, let's
uh take a look inside my sack. Let's reach into
godly sack. Alright, lots of things. Some you can, some
you cannot take on international planes in that sack, Dan Fire,
how are you what you got? I'm doing well? Yeah,

(34:23):
this sack is not making it through customs, so he
kept it here. Johnny Ramos, we have got ah. What
are the chances a little numbers game for us? Doug.
Let's start out with the NBA. What are the chances
that Russell Westbrooks signs an extension with the Thunder after
July one? As an ESPN report says he's interested in

(34:43):
a five year, two fifteen million dollar extension. Chances are, now, look,
this is you're signing your death warrant as far as
winning a championship. Unless there's a major overhaul of the
roster that I I don't think it is possible. Steven

(35:07):
Adams long term contract, Victor Oladipa under contract their two thousand,
twenty one UM. There's been lots to talk of trading
in this cantor none of that has come to fruition.
Maybe that's a possibility, but you know, unless they are
able to to to make a move to add some
sort of other perimeter player or hybrid perimeter interior player.

(35:29):
Remember they uh Demontes Sabonis, they started sixty games last year,
didn't play much in the playoffs. So like, unless you're
going to make some massive overhaul of the roster, you're
signing up for my team. Those guys will grow, they
could get a little bit better, but the the likelihood
is that water will find its level and everybody else
will get better. I just I don't see it being

(35:50):
a championship roster, which is great, Like you know, it's
just it's just like my man, my boy. Tom Brennan
told me this for a long time. I said, why
didn't you ever leave Vermont? You're a great coach, a
great guy. Everybody likes you. Why he see said, my boy,
my boy, there's fifty states in the Union and I
own one of them. And I said, well, that's a
strong point. There are thirty teams in the NBA. There

(36:11):
are I don't know what twenty six cities in the NBA,
and he owns one of them. And for Russell Westbrook,
apparently that's enough. Let's move up to Chicago, where Bulls
Vice president of basketball Operations John Paxson said, making the
playoffs nine out of ten years wasn't good enough. So
they are resetting. What are the chances, Doug that the

(36:32):
Bulls are tanking? Um, now, they won't call it tanking,
they'll say resetting. Right. This is where you go to
your the saurus and you say, whether we're not we're
not tanking, We're just making This is not a recession.
This is just an adjustment, right, This is a realignment

(36:53):
of the prices. Everybody wants to go there their their
own personal sports, the sourus and find something. And you
know what, I don't think that John Paxson is wrong.
I just the whole question with John Backson is did
he miss evaluate Chris Dunn who they traded for. Is
Kris Don goodenough? Is Zach Lavine good enough? And Lowry
Marketing good enough? Look, if all three of them end

(37:15):
up being starters and they're a playoff team in the
net in a in a year, well then we're all wrong.
That's that's it. Then he did something smart because he
got salaries under control. But if not, this is bad.
What are the chances, Doug that Carmelo Anthony stays close
to New York or maybe just remaining in New York

(37:35):
after his wife Latler a strange wife, Lala told Wendy
Williams that he wants to remain close to his ten
year old son. Well, there's also another story that that
Carmelo Anthony is pushing for a buyout. When you're pushing
for a buyout, that means you're you're done. Check lease,
you're done. So I think the reason you're only hearing

(37:56):
things out of uh Carmelo's camp and Alas camp is
because they feel like they know the end is near,
or they want the end to be near. They just
want to kind of be done with it. And I
think Phil Jackson's just bleeding him out. He said what
he said, he knows what he wants to do. He
may end up finding a suitor for Carmelo Anthony and

(38:16):
Melo wants to be able to pick where he goes.
But I what are the chances they buy him out?
I would say only. I mean, the most people in
the NBA think he's gonna get bought out. But the
fact that Phil Jackson hasn't done yet leads you to
believe that he's gonna make it so miserable for Carmelo
that Carmelo will relent and allow himself to be traded
somewhere he previously said he wouldn't be traded to. Well.

(38:38):
I think it's interesting as well, just to add on
to this, that it's not one divorce, but it's two divorces,
because you've got one with the wife and then one
maybe with the team. And if you have one one way,
you can't have one the other. So that's that's that's
very it's very true. It's also should be pointed out though,
that if Paul George does go to the Celtics, UH
and he's bought out, he goes to the cavaliers, or
maybe he's traded to to the cavaliers. Wouldn't that be dage?

(39:00):
How about this one, Doug, What are the chances that
you would sue the police department if they kept you
in jail for ninety days because they mistook drywall in
your vehicle for cocaine. Because that's exactly what happened to
Carlos Cash in Florida who was detained for a probation
violation because authorities thought that drywall was cocaine. What are
the chances you'd sue the police department for keeping you

(39:22):
for three months? Really good chance if they thought the
drywall is cocaine and it wasn't actually cocaine, they kept
me intail three months. There is a one hundred every
lawyer in the country and every ambulance chance lawyer in
the country. Gloria Alread's like fighting people to get to
the front of the light jack pulling hair and teeth
and whatever chance. Think of how much drywall, like like

(39:45):
if if it was the house is worth eighteen billion
dollars because all of it is drywall in cocaine. By
the way, he stayed ninety days in jail because the
lab results took that long to determine that. No, it
wasn't coke, it was instead drywall. Can't they just do
the sack? Can't they just do the taste in the

(40:06):
tongue thing? Yeah? So supposedly the what the you know
what happens to your tongue when you taste cocaine? Right? No,
what's up? Rama's do you know? I do? But I'll
let you say. What do you think happens? Ramas? No music?
Do you know what happens? You know you're seeing movies?
Were a cop taste or somebody taste? No, I mean,

(40:27):
I don't know what it tastes like. I've never tasted.
I've never even seen cocaine. Um, I believe your tongue
goes numb. Mm hmm, tongue goes dumb. Your numb tongue
befo us. It's very very give really, give matter of fact,
a check around Pickage when your Rookie of the Year
for your first time in NBA history, What it means

(40:48):
about the NBA? Find ye what I'm doug otlip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Somehow, somehow, uh controversies that are really
nontroversies become controversies. Man. Then we talked about at the
first hour, John McEnroe was saying that Serena Williams is
the greatest women's tennis player ever, and when pushed by

(41:11):
an interviewer, why who said why can't you consider her
the greatest tennis player ever? I mean he didn't laugh
at her, although he could have. He just said, like,
you know, like she finished like the seven hundred best
player on the tour, which I don't know. It did
lead me to ask, are there actually seven players, um,
male tennis players on said tour? But still that the

(41:31):
point was made that she wouldn't win. She wouldn't win,
so um, somehow this became controversial. It's like, if it's controversial,
why is it not controversial that women's tease our way

(41:55):
up from men's tease. It's a lot. Here's a parallel
in sports. Last night at the NBA Awards, for the
first time ever, a second round pick, a second round
pick was um was awarded the NBA's Rookie of the Year.

(42:20):
Mess pretty amazing, right, really really amazing. Malcolm Brogden, who
was taking twenty six in the NBA draft, was awarded
with the Rookie of the Year. Now, it should be
pointed out that had Joel Embiid played the entire season,
he probably would have won Rookie of the Year, even
though Joel Embiad is not actually wasn't actually in his

(42:42):
first year in the NBA. He was in his first
year playing in the NBA. But somehow it's become controversial
to say the one and done rules that joke. It's
also become controversial to say what I'm gonna say, which
is having high school players come out to the NBA
is a joke. Brandon Ingram Jalen Brown, Chris Dunn, Buddy Healed,

(43:06):
Jamal Murray, Marquis Chris Yaka, Portal thought Maker, Demontes Sabonis.
That's your top eleven of last year's NBA draft top eleven,
and my guess is that at least half, if not more,
eventually become NBA starters. Sibonis was the starter for the

(43:27):
most games of any of those guys, and maybe even
stars possibly. But one year in and I don't think
anybody knows that Dragonbender can play. Chris Dunn's already been traded,
Buddy Heal's already been traded, right. Brandon Ingram started to
play better at the end of the year, but he's
far from being ready. The point is, like, how does

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it become controversial say these guys aren't really ready and
so college doesn't hurt guys. It just makes them more
ready a higher level of preparadness. There is really no
difference between college for basketball players as there are for students.

(44:11):
It's just not you don't have to go to college
for some jobs. Most jobs you do. Some colleges required
a bachelor's degree most often, but the fact is that
you you do need one. That time to develop outside
of your home, the time to be around not just

(44:34):
kids your own age and for you to grow as
a person, but also to be around people who are
educated and absorb some of their brilliance and whatever they're
chosen field is. You gotta learn to balance your budget,
You gotta learned to a lot of different things, balance
your time. And oh yeah, by the way, to people

(44:55):
who think you should be paid if you're a college athlete, like, no,
you shouldn't. You're just like the regular student athlete. You're
just like the guy who's helping, who's who's doing most
of the work on research, projects. For his professor, the
values in the experience and the real money is in

(45:16):
creating great relations relationships with your school, with people who
go to school with because those are the people got
to hire you. You create a great relationship with somebody,
they give you a job out of school, that relationship
can continue to grow and to spawn. I mean, this
is an indictment of the one and done. It just is.

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It doesn't mean that, It doesn't mean that that these
guys won't be good players, but it's proved positive that
none of them are actually ready, none of them. Henry Ellenson,
DeAndre Bembrey, Bryce Johnson. Remember Bryce Johnson got a couple
of All Star votes and he hadn't even played a game. So, uh,

(46:00):
you know, I can't think of any easier statement for
I can't think any easier statement, not a single one
for why they need two years in college at least,
if not three, because we operated under this assumption. It's

(46:21):
such a flawed assumption. What do you hear about football?
Why is football okay with three years? Well, football is
okay three years because their bodies get beat up, Yes,
and no, most of their bodies would get beat up.
Although a lot of running backs are ready after year
one or year two. The fact is that they're not
ready as people. Their games are not refined. And though

(46:42):
there may be an exception. And Adrian Peterson, for example,
he he was ready after his first year, after his
second year, but while you develop in college, yes, I
have to learn to pick up in pass protection, but
some of that you won't learn until you get to
the NFL level. There's a small minute percent of freaks
in basketball. Lebron James, for example, who can play, can't

(47:05):
compete right out of high school, but college wouldn't hurt them.
And your rules are for usually for the greater good,
and the greater good is pretty obvious. Malcolm Broden. Look,
they'll be fifteen guys that are better players than Malcolm
Brogden in the next two years. They've been drafted ahead
of him. But in the snapshot of now Brogden, who

(47:28):
took advantage of injury in order to get more minutes,
Brogden looks like the smarter pick. He's not. He's just older,
he's more ready to play. But but that's an indictment
on the whole idea that guys don't get more ready
playing in the in college basketball, yeah. Music. So you
know how you were mentioning with Dario Sarich and how

(47:50):
he was a Sixers draft pick, but he stayed overseas
for a couple of seasons before he came up. When
can they do that in college basketball? Right? Yeah, that's
basically if you see like a high school prospect, let's
say Lebron James for example, you see him his junior
year of high school and you're like, this kid is
going to be the real deal. You can use your
fifth overall pick and say we want the rights to

(48:11):
Lebron James, but the rules are he's not eligible to
step foot onto an NBA court until he's twenty or
twenty one, so he can still go to college or
do whatever. Like, why don't we do that here in
America with our athletes. We we do it with hockey.
I believe hockey they were saying your rights while you're
still in college. Um, it's weird that every every sport

(48:34):
is in fact different. I think it's more about collectively
bargained upon. When you only have two rounds. If you
start taking those picks on guys that aren't actually gonna
come to the league, you're not replenishing the league, but
it's a great like look. Larry Bird was was signed
by the Boston Celtics after his junior year, which was
his fourth year in school, because he transferred from Indiana,

(48:56):
I mean from Indiana from yeah, from Indiana. But um,
I don't know. It's a great question. Why don't they
do it? I would guess because of the inability to
replenish that would be. That would be my guess. Hockey does,
in fact do it. Hockey does. But Larry Bird went
back to school, played in the National Championship against Magic,

(49:18):
but his rights were actually owned by the Boston Celtics.
He signed after that that incredible championship game, and then
you know, took over a team that won twenty some
odd games and won six one his first year. So
my big thing is, I do think that players should
be allowed if they don't sign with an agent to
go back to school. It would screw a lot of

(49:39):
things up. But there's already a ton of traisfers anyway,
who really cares? Who really cares? Kind of a fascinating
possibility here brewing in Boston as agent Ard Zanowski has
tweeted and written that the Celtics are getting close to

(50:04):
getting in a kind of an agreement in principle from
Gordon Hayward leading them to believe that they can sign
Paul George after via trade for a long term extension
or some sort of longer term extension. We'll keep an
eye on that, but upcoming next. Rick Ankiel was one
of the bright young pitchers in baseball, and then he

(50:25):
lost his ability to throw strikes. What he did afterwards
is the stuff of legend. He reinvented himself as a
starting outfielder even better than that. In his first at
bat as an outfielder in Bush Stadium, playing for the Cardinals,
same team that he had the hips with, he at
home run. He's got a new book about it. He'll

(50:46):
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guys know this, but um, I think I have about
twelve or thirteen more years of this gig. I don't know. God,
I tell you guys that twelve thirteen more ys, because

(52:33):
I was I was laying next to my son, uh
a couple of nights ago, and he said that, Dad,
I'm I'm gonna play Major League Baseball. I said, cool, awesome?
Can I come to all your games? She's like yeah.
I was like, but you know, how about this? Like,
what what do you want me to help you with?
He's like, what do you mean? I go, well, you're
not gonna need me as a coach forever. You know,

(52:55):
you're gonna have you gonna have some hitting coach or
a pitching coach depending on what. Like what do you
He's like, Well, you could just hang out with me,
come to all my games and hang out at my house.
I go, what could I could cook for you could
be your chef in like your personal assistant. Rate So
I'm in. So that's just so you know, that's kind
of the fallback plan there, guys. So twelve thirteen more

(53:15):
years has to be playing baseball, because I told him
becoming a professional baseball player in any position is an
incredible accomplishment in itself. But think about doing it at
two different positions, one being pictured, the other being in
the field. Um, if you don't know the story of
Ricky and Kiel, it's really one of the more fascinating
stories we've ever seen in sports. I have to point

(53:37):
out that I've also dealt with the yips or uh
for me, you know, almost like stage fright in basketball,
and it was at the free throw line in many ways,
derailed a really really good career as a basketball player
in the chances to play I think in the NBA.
But enough about me. The book is called The Phenomenon Pressure,

(54:00):
the Yips, and the Pitch that Changed My Life. The
author joins us, now he's for a picture. Outfielder Rick
Ankiel joins me here on the Doug Gottlieb showd Rick,
thanks so much for taking time today. UM, let's start
in two thousand. You're a young picture. It's the playoffs.
Tunlarusa has few options because of injuries. You start game
one of the n LDS. To take me through what

(54:22):
you remember about your emotions leading up to taking them out.
Everything was gone great. I mean, my my confidence was
sky high coming through that last month. I was four
and oh I won Picture of the Month and I
developed a change up to go along with my fastball
and curveball, which really just made me that much more dangerous.
Um So, coming into that game, I mean, I felt
like this was my chance to show the world who

(54:43):
I was. And you know, as a young player and
a young man, my goal was always to be one
of the best pictures that ever that ever played the game.
Um And here I am starting game one. So I
felt like, you know what, this is my chance, this
is where I'm supposed to be. Everything was going perfectly.
I remember before the game, you know, I was under
underneath in the clubhouse practicing swinging a back because I
was more worried about getting to hit up against Greg

(55:03):
Maddox than I was pitching against the Braves line up,
because I just felt like the pitching stuff would take
care of itself. Um So, the I had nerves, but
normal nerves that you would have in that situation. Um
And you know, when I was young, I didn't understand
or even know what the word anxiety meant. So the
nerves was almost a good energy that I was waiting on.
I felt like it was going to give me the
energy I needed to throw harder, to be better, and

(55:25):
all those types of things. And then I get into
the first inning, goes good, the second inning goes good,
and I get into the third inning and I threw
an inside fastball to a right handed hitter. I'm a
left handed pitcher, and when I threw inside, I had
a natural tendency to cut the ball. Well, the fastball cuts,
the catcher doesn't catch it, and it wasn't really that
bad of a pitch, but somewhere on my mind, I
felt like, man, I just threw a wild pitch on

(55:46):
National TV. UM. I pushed it aside. I kept going,
and all of a sudden things just started to unravel
about the curveball. I started throwing balls off the screen,
off the back stop, and you know, I'm out there
trying to figure it out, use all my keys that
have always worked to give me back on track, and
everything that I tried and knew just was not working.
And I was out there having actually having no clue

(56:06):
of what was going on. Okay, So, UM, when you
were lifted from the game, and I know, like you
answered the questions all the right way, you brushed aside,
what were you really feeling internally? I wasn't sure. I mean,
like I said, I was so young. I didn't understand
the gravity of what was happening. And you know, I

(56:27):
remember telling the media, Hey, listen, it's a mechanical fall.
This will never happen again, YadA, YadA, YadA, um. And
really I didn't know. But I did throw a bullpen,
you know, two days later, and I was lights out,
had pinpoint control, throwing the ball exactly where I wanted to.
And I remember talking to Tony LaRussa in his office
before that next start, which was against the Mets, saying, hey,

(56:47):
I got this, you know, and we were going over
are you sure? Do you want the balls? Everything all right?
I was like, hey, listen, I feel fine, give me
the ball. It's my game. I got this. And then
we go into the Mets game, um, and I was
I had a little more nerve the normal just because
of what had happened, but I still felt okay. I
warmed up everything when when as it should. I got
out to the game and I think the same thing
to start to happen. And after that game is when

(57:10):
I really, you know, thoughts to myself, man, there's something
wrong here. And my hope was that because we lost
that series, our season ended, that I would go into
the off season, we have a couple of months off,
I would get away from the game and when I
came back that I would just be me. And unfortunately,
what I found was when I got back and started
to prepare for that two thousand and one season, that
it was in me deeper and darker than it ever

(57:30):
had before. Rick Ankiel joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show, UM,
I'll share my story with what I where I kind
of think my moment, my pitch, as you talked about
the pitch, was that inside fastball that you cut, that
that got away. I was a freshman starting point guard
and Notre Dame. The first ever Big East game in

(57:51):
Notre Dame history was against Rutgers. We played at the
rack In in New Jersey and we actually had a
four team point lead and some point in time I
got fouled and I shot an air ball from the
free throw line. And I was an excellent free throw
shooter in high school but I had kind of felt
internally something a little bit of miss at the free

(58:12):
throw line late in my high school career. But you know,
in summer basketball, it's not that big, and fall leading
up to it not that big. This is the first
really big game. I shot one air ball and then
I made the next one and we end up losing
the game we should have won in overtime. We go
back home and the next day, the next morning, I
get a call on my phone on my dorm from

(58:34):
my coach. And I played for a kind of like
you played for Tone LaRusso I played for an old
school coach in John McLeod's a longtime NBA coach, and
he wouldn't embarrass you in front of the team and
said he come down, you sit in his office and
talk about things. So I just assumed we'd watch tape
of the game. I was the starting point guard, We
go through things, and instead he had me watch tape
of the free throw and Douggie, what are you thinking here?
What happened here? And I was like, I don't know coaching,

(58:56):
and I'm just I was like you kind of like
I just I missed the free throw, and so he
took me out to the court and he started kind
of tinkering with my uh, with with my shooting and
with my free throws. And I think he had the
best intentions at heart. I asked you that I bring
that up because I'm wondering what did LaRussa do because like, look,
anytime you were a young kid, it's Tony freaking LaRussa,

(59:19):
right like this guy, I mean, he's a legendary manager.
Was there anything he said or he could have done
that might have helped you when it first started? You know?
You know, I think the biggest thing was was that
nobody is sure what to do, you know, and like
I said, I didn't understand the gravity of it. I
think that they did. Um. You know the biggest thing

(59:41):
I think he had seen it before with Todd van
Poppel actually in his career, and you know, I wasn't
aware of this at the time. You know, the biggest
thing with him was just saying, hey, are you sure
you want to pitch this next game? Um? You know,
mechanically we didn't do anything. But you know, the thing
to me is when it first happened, I was, you know,
I was in denial and think and even if not
being in denial. But I thought that I could fix

(01:00:03):
it with my mechanics, because through that point in my career,
anytime I had gotten off track, and you know, as
all pictures do, I had mechanical clues to get me
back on track, whether it be lead with my elbow
or lead with my hip, whatever they may be. Um
but nothing was working. And I thought, even if they
aren't working, I understand my mechanics, I know exactly what
I want to do when I'm out there, I'll be
able to beat this with mechanics. And you know what

(01:00:25):
I found was that wasn't the case, because it is mental,
and the mental, the mental side of it causes the
mechanical breakdown. So I didn't have anybody teamkerring with my thing.
But I definitely understand with somebody if somebody does start
to do that, because now you start to think where
you know before, I don't know if you were like this,
but I never had to think. I didn't have to think.
If the catcher called a pitch and then throw the
ball right here, I could throw it right there, whether

(01:00:45):
I threw it overhand, side arm, or whatever else. And
then all of a sudden, now all you're doing is
thinking it becomes impossible to compete that way. So uh,
in the off season, you didn't know no psychologists, no, no, nothing,
no like. So then you come back to next year,
you're sent to the miners, and you really really struggled.
What happened? Then? Um, well no, I did reach out

(01:01:07):
to its I call this in the off season, so
I get away from it for a couple of months. Um.
And when I came back to throw, when I realized
that it was in me deeper and darker before um,
and nothing was else working. I reached out to Scott
Boris and said, hey, listen, you know, I don't know
what to do here, but I'm completely lost and I
need help. And and the whole time he was trying
to get me to connect with the sports psychologist. And
I was so young. I kept thinking when I first

(01:01:29):
half and I was like, you talked to him, I
don't need him. But I got to the point where
I was like, Okay, I'm lost, I need something. Um.
And then he introduced me to Harvey Dorsman, and um,
you know, away we went and and you know now
it became him trying to teach me how to yourself talk,
and I mean, I went you name it, we went
through it, and now it's almost like you're relearning not
only how to throw, but relearning how to talk to

(01:01:51):
yourself when you're out there in the moment, how to
deal with those things. I mean, it was such a grind.
I wish there was a pill or a one word,
one word that I could help other people get through it,
but unfortunately it just doesn't work that way. Okay. Then
and then then it was down to the miners, right
And then I mean you had this ridiculous e r
A right where it was like, I didn't you have
like a twenty yr A. I remember, like in triple

(01:02:13):
A was something crazy, because yeah, it was terrible whatever
it was. But then you know then, uh, but then
you were like in the in the Appalachian League and
seemed to kind of recover and then you had it.
It felt like you fixed it before you had Tommy
John surgery. Did you fix it or was he simply
you're playing against inferior competition. Um, a little bit of both,
I would say. But no, I was pitching good. I
mean I was throwing strikes. Um, I was you know,

(01:02:34):
I started to feel confident again at what I was doing.
And you know that was in two thousand one, you know,
and at the time, you know, they went they let
me d H twice a week to just to try
to get my mind off of pitching and have something
to distract me throughout the week while I waited for
my next start, which seemed to be working. Um, you know.
And then and then I when I went into the
off season, and I left two thousand one on a

(01:02:54):
good note, felt good. You know, I kept throwing um
and I probably threw too much. When I came into
the season for two thousand too, I had an elbow injury.
I had a slight tear my owner owner nerve ligament
there and and uh ended up missing the entire two
thousand and two season because of it. But no, um,
you know, I think because I got down there at
that lowest level where there wasn't a lot of eyes

(01:03:15):
on the I could have a chance to pitch without
twenty cameras, and it felt like I just had a
chance to relax and did start to get it back. Okay,
you mentioned the cameras, and I do want to get
get to the medication and the booze and and the
changing to becoming an outfielder. But but did you did
you was it feeling eyes on you in pressure field situations?

(01:03:38):
Like what what? What did you feel in your body?
Because I can tell you my thing was I would
get up it really it was. It manifests itself with
the freezer line. But it was anxiety. And then it
started to become part of like all shooting, to which
I felt I just I felt awful if I missed,
and I felt well if. I also felt like if
I missed, I was gonna come out of the game,

(01:03:59):
and I didn't want In my mind, I didn't want
to come out of the game, so I just wouldn't shoot.
And then he just like stand there wide open, people
are yelling at you to shoot, and You're like, god,
this is you know, you don't understand how hard this
is in a game in which, as you point out,
like normally you just react. You just your whole life.
You just played, and now all of a sudden you're
thinking about You're thinking about the negative consequences. Do you
remember what it what it was or what the was?

(01:04:22):
It always the listening of the pressure and the TV
cameras and people uh picking out each individual pitch to
see if you had the episode in in terms of
how difficult was to get back up to the higher level.
You know, when I came back in spring training in
two thousands one. That next year, it felt like the
pressure was, you know, there was just nowhere I could go.
There was thirty cameras every time I just tried to

(01:04:44):
play cats, not even throw a bullpen session, and there
was a never I felt like there was never a
chance for me to get it right, so to speak,
because you have so many people watching you all the time.
And let's be honest here, with all the media people there,
it's a better story if I am throwing stuff off
the back stop. Um So just now, now me still
not understanding what anxiety was. I had nothing but anxiety.

(01:05:06):
I remember there was a start in spring training of
two thousand one where I looked down and I couldn't
even feel the ball in my hand. I was holding it,
but I couldn't feel it. My heart rate would you know,
shoot with skyrocket, I'm sure it was over two d.
I felt like my throat would get dry, my mouth
would get dry. I mean I was probably having full
blown panic attacks and I didn't, but I didn't know

(01:05:26):
what they were. There was also a moment in two
thousand one and spring training. I remember I came out
out off the field, which an ending that didn't go well,
and I went to walk down the dugout steps and
the pitching coach, Dave Duncan, said, hey, hey, is everything
all right? All right? Uh? And I went to talk
to him and nothing came out. And that was really
an eye opening moment for me. And he didn't know
I was going to say something back to him, but

(01:05:47):
you know, I just put my head down and went
and sat on the bench. And what I thought to
myself was fully crap. I just went to talk and
nothing came out. I couldn't even speak, so I don't
know if I was just holding my breath. Uh, but
he completely disabled everything about me and I not only
could I feel the anxiety coming, but I could hear
it coming and it sounded like there was blood draining
from behind my ears. And uh, it was awful, most

(01:06:10):
terrible thing, um that I went through, and that anyone
could go through. I man, I understand how powerful anxiety
can be now. And you know the thought of throwing
back then, could you know give me anxiety? It was
just just dark terrible times, no question. Well, um, Ricky
and Kiel join us and the Duck Alive Show. You
also had your struggles with alcohol coda. Next, I want

(01:06:32):
to dive into that, and also your decision to give
up pitching, change positions, play the field, and of course
that first game in which you were an outfielder for
those same St. Louis Cardinals. I want to do that
with with Ricky an Kiel. He'll continue to join us,
but first let's find out what's trending. Doug Golive show
rolls on Fox Sports Radio four, Major League picture and

(01:06:56):
author of a new book, It's the phenomenon pressure, the yips,
and the pitch that changed my life. Ricky and Kiels
our guest here on the Doug out Leave Show. Rick's
kind of have to stay with us. And look, we've
been talking about your struggles with anxiety and how to
cope with it. How did the the issues with alcoholism begin?
So that same two thousand one, I make the team, Um,

(01:07:18):
and my first start is going to be against Randy
Johnson in Arizona, and leading up, you know that whole
spring training like I just talked about, was just you know,
I might have an okay day and then two bad
days or to two okay days. It was just up
and down, this roller coaster of um, you know, not
being good, so to speaking, and then now we get
into that game. I remember waking up that day and

(01:07:39):
the anxiety I felt from the moment I opened my
eyes was just through the roof, and the closer I
got to the game, the works it got. And when
I got to the fields, um, you know, I remember
saying that I went to Darryl Kyle, who was a
friend on the team and a fellow pitcher mentor of mine,
to listen to anyway you will find some liquor and
put it in the water bottle because there's no way
I'm going to be successful. I have no chance. I

(01:07:59):
don't know what else to do. He's like, let's me understand.
You gotta do what you gotta do, and um, I'll
take care of it. So he goes and gets that,
and you know, I started drinking it before I started
to warm up, and you know, all of a suddenhen
I went down there and warmed up, the ball was
coming out of my hand freely. It felt alive. I
was like, Wow, this is working. Um, And so I
just kept drinking through the game. I remember during the
third inning though, I could feel the anxiety trying to

(01:08:21):
overcome the alcohol, and uh, it just crazy. And I
remember thinking myself, this is crazy that I even have
to do this to compete, but it was working. And
then after the game, I remember telling my sports psychologist
Harvey Dorfer, and I had to drink to make it
through that game. And I remember him saying to me,
I understand, um, but I just want you to know
it's not real. And I felt like, what's not real?
The box score is real. I just beat Randy Johnson.

(01:08:42):
That was real. The team one that was real. So
I tried it again the next game, and you know,
dang it if he wasn't always right because that next game,
you know, the the anxiety just overpowered the alcohol, and
that game didn't go well. And then I knew that
wasn't the answer and I had to face it head on.
So how did it? How did it come to be that?

(01:09:03):
And as you point out, when you're in the minors,
you d h everybody knew you could hit as a picture.
What was I don't? I was I was just beginning
to cover UH sports nationally. When you made the switch,
and you kind of disappeared off the scene. You had
those injuries and your your knee as well. Um what
what led to the decision to make the switch of positions? So? Um?

(01:09:28):
I mean I dealt with the throwing stuff for four years,
five years, and then oh four, I made it back
as a picture. And in the end of OU four
when I came back, I pitched out the boat and
I picked successfully and respectively. But what it took for
me to do that was all day mental focused mental training.
I felt like I couldn't be myself. I was a
shell of who I am. I couldn't be this happy,
go look guy and joke around with the guys. Um.

(01:09:50):
And I felt like my relationships were changing, not only
with my friends but my family. And I tried to
look into the future and think, you know, if this
is what this is gonna be like for me to
continue pitching for the next three years, five years, eight years,
whatever was going to become of it, then I don't
think it was gonna be worth it. And when I
got into spring training a bow five, those are the
thoughts and things I was thinking about and what it

(01:10:11):
was taking me to compete, and I went into tunnel.
His offices said look, I can't, I can't do this anymore. Um,
and that was it. I was done with pitching. I didn't,
you know, I didn't at that time. I wasn't thinking, hey,
I'm gonna come back as an outfield I actually went home.
I'm sitting on the couch. I don't think I was
home even an hour and my agents got Boris calls
and says, hey, are you ready to go play? And

(01:10:32):
I remember saying to him, ready to go play? What
are you not listening to me? I just I just
gave up pitching. I just gave up the only dream
I've ever wanted. And he's like, no, go be an outfielder.
And I just sat there and I thought about it
for a second. I was like, listen, I need some
time to think about this, you know. I just I
just it took me hard. It was hard enough to
give up pitching. So I hang up. About four or
five hours go by. I'm sitting there trying to visualize

(01:10:52):
what it will take for me to make it back,
what it's going to be like. And then I get
to the point where I envisioned myself hitting a home
run back in the big league as a position player.
And once I got that feeling of what I thought
that would feel like I can be like, immediately picked
up the phone and called it back, say listen, I
mean and he called. The general manager was Walt Jockety
at the time of the Cardinals, And within five minutes

(01:11:14):
Walt Jockey calls me back and says, hey, listen, if
if you want to give this a shot, we'll support
you on show up tomorrow, um, and we'll give you
a chance to make it back to the big leagues
as an outfielder. Didn't you at home run your first game? Yes,
my major league first game? I did. Yeah, you, I

(01:11:34):
was thinking about my minor league person. No, no, no,
I remember, I like I remember it was like ten
years ago, and I remember that. I just remember watching
the highlight like you got a standing ovation, And then
I think, you know, I remember you hitting a home run?
Did what take me through the feeling of rounding the
basis after having to quit baseball because of anxiety rounding

(01:11:57):
the bases in your first start as a major leaguer,
hitting a home run as a position player, it was
the most incredible thing ever. And and you know, it's
funny because it started the moment I showed up to
the park and just all the high fives and the
welcome backs and the hugs and everybody from my teammates
to the manager to the organization. Um, it was incredible,
and that moment might have been worth it in itself.

(01:12:18):
But now we fast forward into the seventh inning. I'm
facing Doug broke Cow, I'm in a two one count
and I get a slider and I get I get
plenty of barrel on it. Um, but it was kind
of out front and I had to catch it with
my lead arm, so I knew it wasn't an upper
deck shot, but I knew I had a shot. So
I'm running to first I'm looking at the ball, looking
at the right fielder, and as soon as I knew
that this ball was going to be a home run,

(01:12:38):
the explosion of emotions that I felt was absolutely incredible.
It felt like I floated around the basis on the
magic carpet. I couldn't feel my leg. The entire place
was going crazy. I could feel the grounds shaking from
everybody cheering and yelling. And you know, I'm coming around
home and I see Tony rus was going crazy. Who
never shows emotion of the dugout and then all my

(01:12:58):
teammates and the stand obasion. He's one of those magical
moments that I will never forget. How would you characterize
your career as a success? You know, I think sometimes, um,
you know, it seems like people feel bad for me,
and I feel like telling them and don't feel bad
for me. Listen, it's hard enough to make it to

(01:13:19):
the big leagues once. I'm the guy who gets to say, listen,
I've made it twice in that two different positions. Um,
I didn't stop fighting. I got to live my dream.
I have some awesome moments from my outfield time where
they come to throws or winds and home runs whatever
it be. I mean, I got to live my dream twice. Um,
So I would definitely say it's a success. Baseball is

(01:13:39):
an incredible game of failure, right, it's it's it's it's
a it's a I have several friends that are uh
that are major leaguers, and they all talked about what
just what a humbling game it is, and I gotta
I got a buddy who he has a really talented kid.
My son is pretty talented. Eight, his son's ten, very talented,
but the kid puts a ton of pressure on himself

(01:14:01):
as somebody who's dealt with severe anxiety so much so
that really affected your professional career. What what's the advice
you give to a parent who's watching their kid go
through it. Let the kid have fun. I mean, like
you said, the game is hard enough. And if you're
already at ten years old, let's say, and they're putting
pressure on these guys and it's about playing every day.

(01:14:22):
I feel like that kids putting pressure on themselves as well. Yeah,
you know, you enjoy it because once you sign professionally
and fast forwards, and now you're eighteen, and let's say
you skip college, you're gonna play every day. You're giving
up your summers for the rest of your life until
your career is over. Enjoy it, I mean, have a
balanced I mean, for me, it's a listen, do one
thing every day that makes yourself better, whether it's five

(01:14:44):
minutes of visualization or ten push ups, just one little thing.
It doesn't have to be four hours of something, but
just do something that tells yourself, hey, I did something
to make myself better, and then move on, Go have fun,
have a have a great day. It doesn't have to
be a an all day thing where I didn't do
this and the next guy did that. I just feel
like your talent will take care of itself. Work on

(01:15:04):
a little bit, but enjoy your life too. I mean,
there's so many more things to life than just baseball
or any sport, and make sure you're enjoying it all.
Ricky and Kiell join your son the Doug out the show.
The book is the phenomenon pressure, the yips, and the
pitch that changed his life. Baseball is now in your
in your rear view. You retired a couple of years ago.

(01:15:26):
You deem your career success and I would completely agree
with you. Um, what's every what's your everyday life life? Like? Like?
Does the anxiety still affect what you do on a
daily basis? No, you know, it really showed up pitching
and even at short distances, you know, the mount of
home play to sixty ft sixth insions. But once I
got out to the outfield, I didn't have that anxiety. Um,

(01:15:49):
you know, I get nervous, don't get me wrong. Like,
I'm a Fox broadcast with Fox mid West right now,
and I remember my first few times doing this being nervous,
not knowing what camera look at. But it's not debilitating
like it was when I went through that. Um My,
everyday life is is awesome. I'm a father of two
young boys. Like I said, I worked for Fox Midwest,
just trying to enjoy it all and looking, you know,

(01:16:10):
enjoying the next chapters in life moving forward. Great stuff, man, Well,
the book is phenomenal. Everybody should pick it up. It's
actually the phenomenon. Rick thanks so much for sharing your
story with me and with us, and look forward to
catching up with you in person very very soon. Thanks again,
I appreciate it. Season all right, that's Ricky and Kiel
joining us on The Doug Gollip Show. John McEnroe said

(01:16:31):
something about Serena. It was a compliment wrapped in what
people will perceive as a negative. You'll hear from Serena.
You'll hear from Johnny Mac as we play what did
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(01:16:55):
Gollip Show, Fox Sports Radio. We think we have the
best lineup. I think we are the best line up
in all of sports radio. And I actually think it's
really all that close. When Clay Travis isn't going at
it with the ESPN executives, when uh uh, when Colin
Calherd isn't starting controversies. Dan Patrick has on some of
the best guests and gets them to answer some of

(01:17:18):
the toughest questions. And that's where we'll start our game.
And now what does the Fox actually say? All right?
Dan Patrick had on John McEnroe. Remember John McEnroe was
under fire because you know what, let's just let's kind

(01:17:39):
of go back through chronological events. Here, here's John McEnroe
on NPR. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she
is the best female player in the world in the
book Best Female Player Ever, no question. Some wouldn't qualify it.
Some would say she's the best player in the world.
What qualify it? Oh, she's not. You mean the best
player in the world period, Yeah, best tennis player in
the world. You know what I say, female player? Well,

(01:18:02):
because if she was, if she played the men's circuit,
she'd be like seven hundred in the world. You think, so, Yeah,
that doesn't mean I don't think Serena is like an
incredible player. I do, but there's you know the reality
of what what would happen on a given day. Serena
could beat some some players, I believe, because she's so
incredibly strong mentally, but if she had to just just

(01:18:23):
play the circuit, the men's circuit, that would be an
entirely different story. Yeah. Let me, um, let me give
a really really nice compliment to Serena while giving it
the right context. Right, we'll give it the right context.
All right. Well, let's first let's go to what Serena
said in regards to her on on Twitter. All right,

(01:18:47):
and I think Serena Williams um offering up her own
thoughts on Twitter in regards to John mcarrow like like
her own kind of response, if you will, I think, Um,
I think is is very very interesting, you know, because
because she's somebody who now that she's pregnant and may

(01:19:09):
step away from the game, we want to give kind
of context to who she is and what she's all about.
But first, here's here is John McEnroe on with Dan Patrick.
I'm not the only one, but this has been said
about a hundred times so I don't know, all of
a sudden, they're like, he said something outrageous and I
love Serena by the way, and they forget the other
parts where she's the greatest player ever and all the

(01:19:30):
other nice things I've said about her over the year.
Without Serena and to a lesser extend venus than the met,
this sport of tennis in America really be struggling. Yeah yeah,
I mean, like, look, she gave all of these different
kind of compliments. Um, Serena Williams says, Dear John, I
adored and respect you. Please keep me out of your

(01:19:51):
your statements that are not factually out of your statements
that are not actually factually based. Okay, I mean I don't.
I don't understand, Like if Serena Williams really thinks she
compete with dudes, like why she can't. It's not going
to this like when Anka sorum stand was to get
best golfer, she's missed fifty nine. Like they hit from

(01:20:13):
different teas, they play on different courses. We we did
this even with with Gino r Ema and yukon women's
basketball and comparing their street to other streets, Like why
do why we ever do that we don't compare women's
softball numbers with UH, with men's with baseball? Do we
compare tennis players? Like? Are we really having this conversation?

(01:20:38):
Have you ever seen the difference in how and and look,
Serena would whoop me? She would, But he wasn't comparing
Serena to the average guy. He was comparing her to
professional tennis players. Seven hundred may sounded like a bit much,
but it might actually be closer to the truth. I

(01:20:58):
don't know that the truth won't set you fore, it'll
simply cause some sort of nontroversy and Serena wants none
of it. And that's what the Fox said. Yeah, I
guess that's I guess it's controversial to say that she
wouldn't wouldn't compete. I respect the door you piece here,
your statements that are not based factually based. Has the

(01:21:20):
NBA figured out how to beat the Warriors? I'll tell
you about it. Next to the doug otlip Show. Doug
Otlip Show rolls on Fox Sports Radio. All right, we
told you one line. We told you online. I mean,
technically we're being broadcast in the Fox Sports Radio studios

(01:21:44):
via UH satellite network from Tel Aviv, Israel. Where it is? Um,
I think it's Wednesday now, I actually my days are
It's it's Wednesday, right, like it's the Wednesday the nine
where I'm broadcasting from. Is that odd to you? Maryan Music?

(01:22:05):
It's ten hours earlier there. So it's two o'clock on
the West coast. Correct, Yeah, two o'clock in the worst
lovely afternoon here in Los Angeles. It's a lovely night
here in Tel Aviv, Israel. It I mean it really is.
I means warm is finally kind of cooled down. It
was high eighties to low nineties. Early it was it
was hot, it was sticky. It's not with with with eighty.

(01:22:25):
But it ain't no good of you in the jungle.
Um So I'm that's from good Morning Vietnam. You knows,
don't know good morning Vietnam? Have you music? Have you
seen good Morning Vietnam? I don't think so if that
if I have, But the only part I remember it's
good morning man, ye Martin from Delta to the d

(01:22:47):
m Z. Yeah right yeah, I mean, like I remember,
it's it's sweaty. It's not we would any but no
good to be in the jungle. You remember then the right,
it's Bob from Artillerary. Uh, how you say? What do
you want to play Bob? I don't care, just play

(01:23:08):
it aroud. Okay, the late great Robin Williams. He was
amazing in that movie. You haven't seen that. That's a
that um Dan Buyer can account for that that sounds
like one that that buyer has seen in. Buyer would like, right,
this is not I'm not talking about a movie that
that he hasn't never seen it. You've never seen? Good morning,
your nice? There we go. Have you guys? You guys?

(01:23:29):
Have you guys ever? Okay, so who have you have?
Has traveled abroad? Not traveled with the broad? I know that?
What's I am not? Not? You've never been out? You've
been to like Mexico? No, I haven't been to Mexico.
Been to Canada, but not Mexico. Yeah. I couldn't go tonight,

(01:23:52):
that's the crazy thing to Mexico if I wanted to,
I really couldn't go tonight. Actually, actually, well you could.
I mean done. I mean you'd catch a bunch of
traffic heading down to five or whatever, but you could
go tonight. Ramos. Did you traveled abroad? No? Never, no.
I mean I've been. I've been in Mexico, but that's

(01:24:12):
not really what you consider abroad. Right. You can say
I like Europe and places like that. Yeah, no, I
have not. I'd love to go to I think you've
loved to go. I've never been to England. I've been
all over the world. I've never been to England. Music.
Have you? Have you tried? There's no chance, right music
have just sixth grade? You guys, high school graduation? You
guys didn't have Oh that's try. You guys go to
like d C or something. Yeah. No, it was the

(01:24:34):
last week. Actually we went to a count town hall. Yeah,
I had my permission slip signs towards the state capital
in Sacramento exactly. So I've been to I've been to like,
uh ten or so countries. I think I kind of
maybe eleven, But I haven't been since I started broadcasting.
I haven't haven't traveled back overseason my first time in uh. Yeah.

(01:24:55):
That they still don't put ice in your drinks. Um, yeah,
that's still not No, I'm not necessarily cool with that.
People still smoke more than they do in the States.
But Israel's great. Um, if there's a and the cool
thing is, like any religion, you can kind of come
here and you'll find something religious and something historic. It's
pretty pretty amazing. But yeah, So I'm coaching the Maccabi

(01:25:18):
games Men's open uh team. So it's basically like the
Jewish national team for America. And we've had two days
of practice in Connecticut and then we had like a
walkthrough at my house on Sunday morning. We caught a bus,
we went to the airport, we boarded a plane and
left at one third in the afternoon. We landed here

(01:25:40):
was five thirty in the morning, came in and we
got to the hotel at like seven thirty in the morning,
and then I had some breakfast. I was like in
and out of consciousness all day, like sleeping, woke up.
We had practice, and then we hung out last night
and uh slept some and then practiced twice today A

(01:26:01):
and yeend the now broadcasting radio show into the what
would be Wednesday. A couple of practice tomorrow, then we
start touring the country by day. Practicing in the morning
and then tour the country by day so we'll see
all the holy sites, will go to the Dead Sea,
which again you guys don't know because you haven't been there,
did you know? Like dead See you're fully buoyant, right,
like you literally can't sink because of the salt content

(01:26:24):
and water because of the salt because the density of
the salt content. Correct. And then we're going to Massada.
Do you guys know what Massada is for? It is
a fort, it is for, but not like a fort
you set up with like your your mom's cushions. No, no, no,
there was a battles went on there, I believe, correct,
I had battles. Yeah, but this this is so, this

(01:26:45):
is like you know, a couple of thousand years ago, Um,
the Jews lived in this this town or this fort
of Massada, and it was up above kind of above
the Dead Sea, and it was pretty remarkable because they
was surrounded by Romans and they had food and supplies
for like two years. They had baths up there, they
had pools up there. Was crazy, and I believe they

(01:27:08):
took their own lives rather than being taken alive by
the Romans. Anyway, it's historic and you go up. So
you go go to the Dead Sea, the Jordan's River,
you go to Tel Aviv to hype all over the country.
It's pretty amazing. So that's what I'm doing here, and
the great folks at Fox Sports Radio. I can't thank
my man, Scotch Sapiroau enough. He's been working like tirelessly

(01:27:29):
since before I actually took the job to get this
done so that I could do both. And uh, and
it's a it's a lot of fun. And Ramos just
asked me, like, what do you know what day it is?
Do you know when you sleep? In the answers, I
have no idea. I had dinner like six seven hours ago.
I'm not still on I'm The good news is I'm
not hungry. But I'm also not tired when I'm supposed
to be tired, which means I'll be tired when I'm

(01:27:51):
not supposed to be tired. Right, Yeah, I'm not tired,
but I'm supposed to be tired. I'm gonna be tired
when I'm not supposed to be tired. Good. Yeah that
that that didn't make sense. That did come out right.
I don't know when you're dealing with the lack of sleep,
but yeah, okay, And what's what's amazing here? So Israel
is a country to which, unlike pretty much any other

(01:28:15):
country abroad. Their passion is basketball. I mean they have
I played here professionally for a year. They're they're their
their biggest team, Maccabi tel Aviv has won um a
handful of European championships. And they watched the NBA, they
watch college basketball, and even they talk about the Golden

(01:28:36):
State Warriors and Lebron James and Cleveland Cavaliers and and
the question is, the question is how do you beat
a team that some see, some see as unbeatable? Right?
How do you how do you beat them? Especially considering
it appears that um Kevin Durant's gonna resign for a

(01:28:58):
little bit less money. They're gonna have Steph Curry for
the max. They got Clay Thompson through two thousand nineteen.
ESPN sources say, how do we ken the Golden State
Warriors sign Andrea Goodala. The Timberwolves, the Spurs, the Clippers,
the Seventies six Years, the Magic, the Nets, the Jazz
are among the teams interested in signing Andrea to Iguadala

(01:29:19):
away in free agency. And the idea is, you can't
get the main pieces, but if you could steal away
an ancillary piece like Iguadala, who's looking for one last
big paycheck. Remember he had twenty points in Game five
of the NBA Finals. He's versatile defensively, he's versatile offensively,

(01:29:39):
and though he used to be a uh A good
score in the NBA a decade ago, he has enough
piece and lack of ego enough to to average less
than ten points a game. And so that this is
the not the if you can't beat them, join them,
it's the if you can't beat him, have one of
their ancillary parts join you. This is kind of what

(01:30:01):
I said about Paul George if he and and now
I know Paul George isn't a member of the Calves,
but he is the one guy or one player to
which you could see like, hey, you know what they
add Paul George the Calves. Uh, it changes them. And
you know, obviously they would have to lose Kevin Love.
I don't know if it would make them definitively better,
but it would make them much more efficient, much harder

(01:30:22):
to guard offensively if the ball did in fact move.
So so this is the idea pluck off Iguadala. I
I don't think that's a great strategy. I don't because
you're gonna have to so massively overpay Iguadala that you
yourselfer are swallowing a poison pill, like Andrea Godala is

(01:30:44):
past his prime, and this is one of those deals
to where, um, you're going to sign a guy who's
only passed his prime, but a guy who isn't a
particularly good shooter, and he's only made into um a
perfect been because of the surrounding pieces Like I just
don't know if people have actually looked they only watched

(01:31:07):
the NBA finals, like Iguadala shot shot thirty six from
three thirty five from three thirty four from brink and
those are wide open, wide open shots, wide open. He
only shoots dunks and threes. And when you're the fifth best,
when you're the fifth option, like, are you gonna overpay

(01:31:30):
the fifth option at best? I remember he's thirty three
years old, so that means you're gonna give him what
three four years until he's thirty seven years old. I don't,
I don't see it, but music go ahead. Well, do
you think that the idea is it's gonna be like

(01:31:52):
death by a thousand paper cuts are like the first
domino to fall, So if andre Iguadala leaves, and then
let's say, you know we've talked about on this show.
You've mentioned that maybe Steph Curry takes a little bit less,
Kevin Durant takes a little bit less. But let's say
that doesn't happen, so you lose under Equadala. Curry wants
to get paid the super max, Kevin Durant wants to

(01:32:13):
get paid the max. So now you're sort of up
against it because you have so much money tied up
in Durant, Curry, Draymond and Clay Thompson, Like, is that
when they're gonna start really be thinning out on how
they're gonna be able to Honestly, the question is in
two thousand, is Clay Thompson leave to go to the Lakers?

(01:32:33):
Are they then tapped out salary wise? And this Clay
Thompson have you know, two or three or or potentially
four NBA Championship rings? And then he's like, hey, you
know what, that was great? Now I'm gonna go join
the Lakers. Or my dad's broadcaster in my hometown of
southern California play for Luke Walton, who used to be
my assistant coach and I'll be the guy or the

(01:32:54):
second guy there. I think that's the potential derailment if
you really want to get down to it, that that,
to me is the is the biggest potential derailment. That'd
be my estimation. Do you think that. I mean, there's
gotta be NBA teams out there, so I know you
just said overpaying for andre Igo Dallas sort of sinks
your own ship. But let's say like a team like

(01:33:16):
the Brooklyn Nets, who are going nowhere fast? But why
would you go? Why would you go to Brooklyn Nets?
But what would the what would the what would the
point be? Because they would be I mean, I mean
that's you know, you're you're only taking that deal. Um,
you're only taking that deal if you know, if you
if you want one last pay day. And I don't
even think they would offer him that because even though

(01:33:38):
they don't want it doesn't help them, hurt them to stink. Um,
I just I don't see it. But the rest of
the league would be celebrating the fact that like, oh
thank goodness, someone else overpaid for him, right, yes, no question.
I mean, look, they would have to Um, they would

(01:33:58):
they would have to find they would have to go
and find somebody who's a perfect fit. I mean, like
a lot of this is I said this on Colin Shell,
I said it on our show. Is that we do this.
And this is to defend kind of John McEnroe's statement
about Serena a little bit is that we don't actually
ever provide the right context for statements, and I thought
he actually did. He was just like, look, she's the

(01:34:19):
best women's tennis player ever, and he is a history
he's a he's a he's like a history buff on tennis,
and he could go back through all the historic rates
he's seeing play women's tennis. But when when pressed upon
is she's the best tennis player ever, He's like, no,
the question was tep Now, if you wanted to ask,
is she the most dominant tennis player we've ever seen,

(01:34:40):
that's a different question. It's a different question, which is
the same thing as the Warriors, which is are they
the best team ever? No? I don't think they are,
and I'm not sure that personnel is that great. But
for a salary cap era to have three stars for
an error in which the three point shot is more
than value be overvalued, and then to have an Iguadala

(01:35:02):
in just the right place so they can play small
ball like Iguadolla as a starter to anybody else is okay,
But to this team he's essential. It's the same thing
with Draymond Green. Like you can't put Draymond Green on
a team and say, hey, I want you to go
score twenty points. But you put him on a team
to which he doesn't have to score twenty points and
he can just defend and rebound to all those little things.

(01:35:26):
He's an incredible talent. Incredible talent, but and and a
perfect fit maybe more than anything. All Right, here's what
I want from you, Okay, I want your help. I
want your reaction to the John McEnroe Serena Williams kerfuffle. Right,

(01:35:48):
John McEnroe, what he said and how he said it
about Serena Williams being the greatest women's tennis player ever,
but she would be like seven hundred on the tour
if she played in the men side. Serena tweeted back,
and we'll recap the story, but we'll take some of
your calls eight seven seven three six nine eight seven
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Doug Golive Show, Fox Sports Radio. All Right, I believe
by now you've heard the John McEnroe sound. But if
you haven't, let me reset it for you. John McEnroe

(01:37:56):
as author of new books, so that takes him on
the on the interview Youth circuit um. And uh, I'll
just be honest with you. We recorded a John McEnroe interview,
a lengthy one that we're gonna have to put up
on the website, will put on the podcast. That's well,
that's what we'll do with the music. And the reason
we didn't we haven't used it was because this became

(01:38:17):
more of the story. And the reason I didn't this
wasn't actually like you read the book and the books
really good. This wasn't really anything to be taken kind
of out of context, but it was. Here's the interview
John Mcarrohan, NPR. Take a listen, let's talk about Serena Williams.
You say she is the best female player in the
world in the book Best Female Player ever, no question.

(01:38:41):
Some wouldn't qualify it. Some would say she's the best
player in the world. What qualify it? Oh, she's not.
You mean the best player in the world period. Yeah,
best tennis player in the world. You know what, why
say female player? Well because if she was, if she
played the man circuit, she'd be like seven hundred in
the world. You think, so, yeah, that doesn't mean I
don't think Serena is like an incredible a player. I do.
But there's you know the reality of what what would

(01:39:03):
happen on a given day. The Serena could beat some
some players, I believe, because she's so incredibly strong mentally,
But if she had to just just play the circuit,
the men's circuit, that would be an entirely different story.
That's a good for you. Okay, So here was here's
Serena Williams response, and she uh and she she did so, um,

(01:39:28):
she did so on Twitter. Now, she has previously said
that she didn't. She men's tennis and women's tennis are
not the same. She can't she knows she can't compete.
But she said, dear John, I adore in respect you,
but please keep me out of your statements that are
not factually based. Okay, Okay, So, like, look, I think

(01:39:53):
it's a terrible, terrible question. I just it is because
you listen to the actual question, if you if you
really really listen to the actual question, it is awful.
It's based upon a premise that doesn't actually exist. The

(01:40:16):
the interviewer asked John McEnroe, because she says that John
that there are people, Um, she says, there are people
that believe Serena is the best tennis player in the world.
That that's what she says. But but that's that's not accurate.

(01:40:36):
No one I know believes that John McEnroe is that
Serena Williams the best tennis player in the world. Do
you is there anybody who actually is making it now?
The the she'd be like seven if she played week
to week. I just I think it's just an awful
series of questions. Do you think what's your reaction to

(01:41:01):
mcnrose comments eight seven seven nine six three six nine
eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine
Larry in Las Vegas, you're in the Dug Gottlip Show.
I a want to make a comment, and I really
want to say that. Now I respect John mcarone for
what he does, but to me, he threw the jab

(01:41:21):
when he used the number seven hundred, you know, and
this this is the thing that I'll stay with that guy.
It's almost like a weagel. He's a weagle to me
because to me he's remember he was a great player,
but he's remember that when you think of John mcgon
what do you think about those pantrums and all that?
You know? And to me, it was a little slight
jab at a rental when he used that number seven hundred.
And then to be honest with you, he's on there

(01:41:41):
trying to sell his little brook or whatever. Then he
did like the kid in school. You know, you've got
that little guy to talk bad to the big guy.
And then when he tells you meet him after school
at three fifteen, the little guy he makes it known
that I'm smaller than this guy because he said on
the Gun Patrick Show, oh I'm an old bart why
don't she go play? Uh federal? And first of all,
Fellow didn't get on on a panel and make that statement.

(01:42:03):
Don't try to say something we gotta say from West
La figures and in confidence, don't run your mouth. If
you're not ready to back something up, you can't be here.
I don't think that she can be all those man.
I know she's a great player. Like you said the
lady that asked that question, it's two ways you can
do that question. I think, like you said, she is
the most dominated polizing image of person and tennis. But

(01:42:26):
at far thinking that I would put up against the man. No,
I wouldn't do that either, Doug. But if you say
who was accomplished the moment, she's an e sixties story
for show more so than John McEnroe. Yeah, that's all
I want to say, Doug. And like I said, John's
done some great things. But we're now in Vegas. We
are agathy guys down here in Vegas. You guys got
a great show. Keep up to go worth, y'all. We're

(01:42:46):
agacy guys. Like like, do you not think I would
like I mean, just like asked as Stephie, how she
would have done on the tour. I just just the
whole premise of the question is stupid. It's really stupid.
I think maybe the more impressive part, of the more
interesting part is that I was actually looking when I

(01:43:06):
heard these quotes, and um, there actually are seven hundred
tennis players, and they're they're ranked, and then and the
rankings go up and go down, Like I saw this
Liam Karana, Okay, he's ranked number five sixty three in
the world. He's actually in the last month gone up
two hundred and four ranking points. I just want to

(01:43:30):
point out that that while seven hundred seems like an
arbitrary number and seems super super super super high, right,
it does. Right when you hear the number seven hundred,
you're like, Wow, there's no way there's even seven hundred,
seven hundred ranked players in the world. Did you know
there's more than that? Right, Like somewhere in um, somewhere

(01:43:53):
in the world, there's Peter Bothwell, who's ranked seven hundred
and twelve in the world, and he's sitting there saying
to himself, I could beat Serena Williams. Winston Lynn is
ranked seven four in the world. He's American, So was
Nicholas Meister. I love that name. His last name is meister. Hey,

(01:44:16):
the tennis meister. Do you think the tennis meister could
beat Serena Williams. I do, I really do. Uh So,
as much as you may take it as a slide,
you don't know the sport. Like the reason John McEnroe

(01:44:36):
has made it to where he's making made it is
he's the guy that tells the truth. He's the guy
that tells the truth. Like saying your seven did not
actually say you're the worst ranked tennis player in the
males men's world. He didn't actually say that there are
there are tennis players ranked below seven hundred and and

(01:45:00):
by the way, he wasn't looking to sell his book
with those remarks. That's all in the interview. Like Tommy
and Florida are on the Dug Golip Show, go ahead,
Tommy your thoughts on mc um here here's my point.
I've been hearing you guys on on you know, from
Clay to to Colin now to you talk about this
all day and here's what you guys are missing or

(01:45:22):
maybe you just don't want to admit this or say this.
This is a woman on NPR, so I'm guessing, and
I'll bet every penny I own she's extremely far less liberal,
So what she what's really impressive is McEnroe's response. He
doesn't take the bait another word. He doesn't. He doesn't.
He doesn't I'm with you, stick with me. I said

(01:45:47):
that to start the show. He doesn't smash her. He
doesn't say, like, that's the thing that I would agree
with you. People are missing. He didn't say, that's the
dumbest question I've ever heard. When she says, and let
me here, stick with me here for a second, let
me play it back for you, because he actually says,
there are people that think that she's the greatest player,
test player, the one take a listen to it. To
the question, let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she

(01:46:07):
is the best female player in the world in the
book best female player ever, no question. Some wouldn't qualify it.
Some would say she's the best player in the world.
What qualify there's that? There's not anybody. There's not am
I wrong? There's not anybody on earth that that would
wouldn't quality, that wouldn't qualified. Is there is? She knows
that she's not dumb enough to know that she's I don't.

(01:46:31):
I don't. I don't think she I don't know she's
she's baiting McEnroe and she doesn't realize that mcinrow is
actually a liberal guy. He even goes on he talked
with Colin about how he likes he was a fan
of Jimmy Carter's so what she she doesn't realize that
she's baiting him in to say I want a story

(01:46:53):
here and she and she's getting the story. But the
real story is that McEnroe either he's being completely naive
or he's a US. And the way he answers the
question because he even quite he even changes her up
and he says, no, no, no, I said she's the
best in the ever and she and she and she
even says, well, why can't she just be the greatest

(01:47:13):
And it's like then he says, you mean the greatest
of all times? And she can beat anybody, So that's ridiculous,
and she knows that. So that's the problem. It's an
NPR woman who's trying to basically say, why can't a
woman be the greatest of all time? Well, that's ridiculous.
I mean, I don't think I honestly listen do I.

(01:47:36):
I don't think it has to do with the fact
that she's liberal and she's a woman. I think she's
interviewing way out of her element. You know, she was
like a war correspondent, right. This says nothing and and
there's there's plenty of guys that don't know anything about sports.
They just are and they asked dumb questions. And this
is just a really dumb question. That's all. That's the

(01:47:57):
story is, here's a woman, Lulu gar Sa Navarro Okay,
who's the host of NPRS weekend edition, Sunday Um. And
she's one. She's one award, she's won a Peabody, she's
won an Edinburgh murraw Award. But but she's received it
for her reports from East Eastern Libya, Okay, on the

(01:48:18):
Arab spring. That's what her her what's what her background
is in. She doesn't know anything about sports. And so
the second she says there are people out there who
think she's the greatest tennis player, ever, no, there are not.
There isn't a single human being alive that thinks Serena Williams,
including Serena Williams, doesn't think she's the greatest tennis player. Ever,

(01:48:42):
there isn't a single living, breathing soul thinks she's better
than Roger Federer, thinks she's better than Andy Murray, including
Serena thinks she's better than Novak Djokovic or or Rafael Nadal, Like, like,
that's not get where if we want to argue where
she would be ranked in the in the truth is
there's dudes that are ranking the seven hundred right now.

(01:49:02):
But like, are you kidding me? Like I'd wiper ass
once she's pregnant too. She's not nearly as good as
she used to be. I saw at the US Open
when she lost. Going back to last year, she wasn't
moving particularly well. But even in her prime, like she
she would have no chance against the guy serves, just wouldn't.
This is Anka soor stand, this is Miss fifty nine
hitting from different tease. It ain't the same. And this

(01:49:26):
is an interviewer who's very very good at her job,
but this is not what she does well. Interview a
sports icon and opinionated historian on his sports and asking
him one of the most obtuse, obsane, just idiotic questions
ever and and credit John mcenrone for totally keeping his cool,
like man, not really. I think she's great, but she's

(01:49:49):
not um one of she's not in the conversation. Let's
find out what's trending. Yeah, who sports? Is that the
Boston Dog got limp show? Fox Sports Radio coming to

(01:50:10):
the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel. I'm not even kidding.
That's actually what we're broadcasting from. There's somebody who just
drove off the road, goes no way way why here
ISRAELI tamme as we give you the sports Stack Radio.
So I just I don't think it has anything and

(01:50:31):
people want to turn this is not like Clay Travis
is the type of dude. I love him, but he
tries to turn everything into political liberal conservative like, no,
it ain't. She just didn't know what the hell she
was talking about. She asked a really stupid question and
then and then Press and then doubled down in a
dumb question. And McEnroe was polite but said what he
really thinks, which is why I love Macaro. That's why

(01:50:52):
everybody loves McEnroe because McEnroe is in the softest of
country club sports. And he's not soft, he's it's strongly opinionated. Yeah,
by the way, in this particular case, He's right. Nobody
any nobody actually thinks Serena is the best tennis player
in the world or has she ever been the best,
But she's been the best female tennis playing in the world,
which is what he said in his book. In his book,

(01:51:18):
Let's go back to the phone lines eight seven seven
three six nine Eric in New Hampshire. Eric, what's your thoughts?
How you doing? First time? Appreciate it, get right to
the point. Listen to Clay Traverse earlier, and a couple
of people tweeted in um the long story short that
people don't realize or everybody's all upset about is Serena

(01:51:39):
admitted to herself. I think it was on an altiment
show a couple of three years ago that if she
played like Andy Murray, she'd lose six sols six all
in five or six minutes and there'd be no chance
kind of thing. So, I everybody's getting so upset. I mean, obviously,
like you know we were talking about earlier, you know,
the man a how bigger fast. I mean, it's not
any's playing against women or anything, but it's just you know,
physically playing the sports. I'll be actually the best in

(01:52:01):
women's you know, the men's games a completely different circuits.
I don't get it. I don't get it. Um, I
don't really, I don't really understand it. I mean, like, look,
there's even the I love this one. There's even the
UM women's World Cup team. Remember they wanted equal pay

(01:52:21):
to the men's World Cup team, which is insane, Like, well,
we made this much money they made, Like how much
money the women's World Cup team makes in a women's
World Cup going to be more than how much the
men's World Cup team makes in a non World Cup year, right,

(01:52:42):
Like they make ten times the money of the women's
team from what their World Cup year to the women's
World Cup year, even though the women, again in their
own sport, are generally more successful than the men. You're
not comparing apples to apples. It's just like would be
like the w NBA players saying like, hey, uh, we

(01:53:04):
draw more people in the summer to the w NBA
than the men draw to the summer league, you know,
or something like it's not it ain't the same. I
just I don't. We don't do it in any other sport.
I was against this when we were comparing Geno Ariyama's
records in comparison to to John Wooden, there is no comparison.

(01:53:28):
They're different sports. They're completely different. We don't compare how
many home runs or how many strikeouts softball, granted it
actually is physically a different sport. We don't compare uh
points score like you know, do you are? We are?
We gonna have the conversation about whether or not a
woman could play in the NBA. The answers now, the

(01:53:54):
answers now, I mean, what what you happened upon that
you don't know is there's actually a guy who really
loves tennis. I really love tennis, and I think tennis
is it's like a boxing match. And even in a
boxing match, even men of you know men, right, you

(01:54:16):
would never compare Floyd Mayweather to the heavyweight champion of
the world. We can say Floyd Maywether's the best boxer
pound for pound the world, but but he wouldn't win
against a heavyweight. Of course he wouldn't. It's different weight class.
There's no difference between that discussion and the Serena versus
men discussion. Zero. How close are we to legalize sports gambling?

(01:54:41):
You will find out next three to one Coming up
Wednesday in the Dug Gotlieb Show. Coming up today in
the Dug Gotlib Show, It's NBA Free agency season and
the rumors continue to be abound that the Celtics are
gonna pull off not one, but two big moves. Could

(01:55:02):
Paul George and could Paul George? Is Paul George and
is Paul George? And Gordon Hayward headed a Bean town?
Well Carmelo Anthony finally well? Well, Carmelo Anthony get bought
out or traded? And the Clippers met with Chris Paul?
How'd that meeting go? Is he staying well? Blick Griffin

(01:55:24):
continue to join him, plus work creeping closer to the
NFL college football seasons as we watch Major League Baseball. Um,
that's just too much, dude. Three to one. Coming up
Wednesday in the Doug Gotlip Show. Coming up today in
the Doug Gotlib Show, It's NBA Free agency season and

(01:55:44):
while the rumors continue to swirl, we do believe that
Boston is gonna be a player. Could they be after
not one but two stars Gordon Hayward and Paul George?
Plus will Carmelo Anthony be traded or will he be
bought out and well the Clippers hang on both Chris
Paul and Blake Griffin. We'll keep an eye on what's
happening in the NFL. Gets you ready for college football,

(01:56:06):
and continue and continue to cover everything that is the
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Doug gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio, Bam bah blive. All right,
we gotta get right after it. Some stories you may
have missed. Here's Dan Buyer with the Press. The press,
what me, let's dive right in U s. Supreme Court
has are great to hear New Jersey's bid to allow

(01:56:51):
sports betting at its casinos and race tracks. The justices
will review a lower court ruling against the state coming
up this fall. All well, look, I like sports sports gambling.
I like actually though that it still resides in Vegas
where they have, uh, they have so many protections to

(01:57:12):
make sure that that sports are valid. They're on the
up and up. I think that's kind of the big
like once you open Pandora's box, you can't once you
let the genie out of the bottle, you can't put
it back in. So I'll be I'll be fascinated by this. Uh,
but there are people that believe this will bring down Vegas.
Sports gambling is a very very minute amount of the

(01:57:35):
actual handle that comes in on a daily basis in
Las Vegas. Former former NFL at CFL quarterback Vince Young
told Sports Illustrated he doesn't understand how some quarterbacks are
still getting paid in the league and he isn't. Young said,
and I'm quoting, I hate the name drop, but Fitzpatrick
is still playing. He leads the league and interceptions, and
he's still getting bleeping paid. End quote that from Vince Young.

(01:57:59):
He else at thirty one touchdowns the year before. Vince
Young just tour his hammy trying to make a comeback
in the in the CFL. So you know, I'm kind
of done with Vince Young, Like you're not good. And
though Ryan Fitzpatrick sucked last year, there's no arguing there.
He's had other years where he's proved to be a
very good backup and a nice part time starter and

(01:58:20):
he had one great year with the Jets. And also
if he had the information, young Hand was wrong. Fitzpatrick
only third most interceptions a year ago. Ah the he
almost had them all in that game against the Chiefs,
but hey. The launch game of the American Flag Football
League takes place tonight in San Jose, Michael Vick, Jatojo Sinko,
Chado Jo Sinko, and Terrell Owens taking part. Teams would

(01:58:40):
feature twelve man rosters with a full launch coming next year.
So while the heels of the Big Three last night,
we've now got the American Flag Football League trying to
take flight tonight. Here's the problem with it, um, the
same problem they have with the Big Three. I think
four players got hurt, right, I know, uh, Jason Williams
and others hurt their knees. Um. The problem with flag

(01:59:01):
football is the same problem with three on three basketball.
With guys that are retired, you get hurt. And that's
my only thing with the three on three. I thought
that the action was great. I love the different camera angles,
love the energy to the building. I didn't like seeing
guys get hurt, and once you get once you're retired
and there's a reason they're giving guys a week off
in between games with the Big Three. They know guys

(01:59:21):
are more likely to get hurt. I think we'll see
that in flag football as well. Remember before the Rising
Stars challenged on an All Star weekend, they used to
have the like the Legends game where they would get
all the old guys out there. They would play before
the three point shootout, and it was the same deal.
They had too many injuries, so they put an end
to it. Plus nobody really cared about that game. Yeah,

(01:59:41):
it's all right, Mr T. I will to Vanderbilt football
players were shot Monday after trying to recover a teammate
stolen cell phone. Tay Daily and Frank Coppett suffered non
life threatening injuries DOUG when they tried to meet the
sellers of the stolen phone. Police say the two men
brought pellet guns to the scene to get the phone.
They were fired on by a pistol and shotgun. The

(02:00:03):
two shooting suspects have not been identified. Well, Like, I
don't know which is dumber trying to recover a cell phone,
Like your cell phone stolen, call the authorities if you
can track it down. Secondly, why are you bringing up
I mean, that's like bringing a knife to a gunfight,
being a pelticun to a gunfight. Yeah, this is one
of those you're more likely to get shot when you
have a gun type of deal, right, And that's the

(02:00:23):
you know, every statistic tells you that, and that's probably
what happened here. I don't want anybody to get shot,
but you're more likely to get shot if you if
you brandish a gun. So they brandished a pellet and
a pellet pellet gun and they got they got shot.
Did they at least like how what is an iPhone? Seven? Like,
I'm not insurance on your phone and just let it go.

(02:00:45):
It was their their teammates phone. They found it, and
they tried to arrange the meeting to buy the phone
back or to do whatever. And I guess they were
going to try to rob them of the phone, and
I had the tables turned on them, but they weren't
trying and rob the guy. They were gonna try and
rob the guys of the own that it's stolen the phone.
That's again, there's lots of ideas that are sound good
at the time in college. That one does not even

(02:01:06):
sound good at time. All right, man, let's go robbing man. Yeah, man,
let's do it like that just sounds awful. Bill Bull's
vice president John Paxson said they're going to reset the organization.
We talked about that earlier, but he also added that
he doesn't know what they're gonna do with point guard
Rajon Rondo as a three million dollar buyout available until Friday.
Now asked for Dwayne Wade and his buyout. Paxon today.

(02:01:28):
You know, Gar has spoken to Leon Rose Twains agent,
and as far as buyout has not been broached, I
will say this that in this type of scenario, we
would have to benefit us. It would absolutely have to
benefit us. Of course, Wade opted in on this contract
that will pay him twenty three point million dollars next year. Yeah,
it would have to benefit Like, dude, you want to
give us back some of that money. We would love

(02:01:50):
to do this. It is such a bad contract. It
is such a bad contract, and it's one of those
things to which I and some people thought the Miami
Heat looked bad, Like I never understood that it's eight
million dollars more. They offered him forty. The Bulls offer
him eight. Bulls deal was ridiculous, and then they gave
a player option to which here's how bad the contract is.

(02:02:11):
Every other NBA player opts out. Why because on the
open market they're worth more. Dwayne Wade opted in. What
does that tell you about what his market value is?
Can't get. Finally, the Philadelphia Phillies announced they're gonna have
retro nineteen eighties night coming up against the Padres on
July seventh. Thug. If you know this about me, I
love uniforms, logos, helmets and all that stuff. The Padres

(02:02:34):
are gonna be wearing the brown, golden orange unis that
they wore in the eighty three World Series when they
faced the Tigers. Phillies going with their maroons that they
wore in nineteen eighty three with the baby with the
little baby blue. Yes, yes, yes, it will have the
full maroon cap, but yeah, that was their road uniform
at the time. But they'll have the maroons, which I
think is actually one of the more underrated baseball uniforms

(02:02:56):
because we now just associate the Phillies with the Royal
with the regular red, not a Maroon. I would agree
in the Phillies, I wouldn't agree on the Padres the Friars.
Brown is ugly and that's the press. Get out there
impressed that the press. Alright, music, you did really well today.
You had Ricky an Kio and Gary Dudley. Who who

(02:03:16):
do we got tomorrow? That's a great question. Um, you know,
we'll uh well, we'll save it. We'll save it for tomorrow.
So you have nobody at this point, we don't have
any confirmed guests, as do I have to book Brad's
Brad Stevens all the way from here. I don't know
if Brad's gonna tell us anything about the recruitment of
we'll get someone. But just remember there was there was

(02:03:38):
this there was this thought during the NBA Finals that
because these two teams were so good, guys wouldn't want
to join other teams to try and compete with them. Yeah,
it looks like the Celtics are gonna challenge that. This
has been the Doug Outleap Show Live from Israel, Fox
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