June 25, 2025 • 24 mins
Doug riffs on the NBA draft. Doug reacts to Chris Broussard's take about Tyrese Haliburton. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for what is most annoying today. Plus, Draymond Green makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottl What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus Fox
Sports Radio iHeart Radio app Welcome in. You know, this
is gonna be a really interesting NBA draft from this perspective.
(00:29):
Two players, both Duke players, and I think they're gonna
be really good pros. I don't know if they'll be
great pros. I think they'll be really good pros. I
mean again, it's just it takes a little bit of luck.
It takes obviously improvement, the right system, right everything around you.
But obviously I'm talking about both Cooper Cooper Flag and
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Conk Nipple, and uh yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting
to watch both as we've watched both play together this
year at Duke and try and determine, you know, what
ultimately is their ceiling. Again, I think Nipple is gonna
be really good. And the one thing about Canipple that
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and he's not Luca. He's a very different player. He's
a shooter, he's like a I. I think he has
a chance to be a better, bigger, better version of
even a JJ Redick. Elite shooter, but guy who's an
all around better UH player and passer and bigger body,
so more versatile at the defensive end. He's not just
simply a sniper. But as much as we make the
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NBA to be way more athletic than it used to be,
it's actually more skill and toughness based than it used
to be. And that's where con fits in. I think
the interesting part is, you know both have parents that
were that were players. You know, Cohn's dad was the
(01:55):
all timeling score at Wisconsin Lutheran, which is a uh,
I think it's a D either a D two school
an AI school in it in Milwaukee. Matter of fact,
he plays that he played at Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
And then you know, Cooper Flag's mom played at Maine,
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and so you have and we're starting to see, you know,
obviously a trend of this, not that we haven't seen
players in the past.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And we're gonna get to the where, you know, Carmelo
Anthony's son potentially, and UH, there's there's you know, Gilbert
Arenas's sons, and those guys will matriculate and eventually be
in the NBA. And I think they're more likely to
be real NBA players as opposed to what Browny was
this year. But I'm I'm fascinated by and Cooper is athletic.
(02:49):
He's not as big as people thought, it's not as
tall as people thought, but he is athletic. But I
do think there's something unique there about now. We're coming
into this generation of players whose parents were players and
who have our more skill based than freak athleticism based.
(03:14):
You know, and you know you can't you can make
guys more athletic, but you can't make them into freaks.
But you can make freaky athletic guys into better basketball players,
is generally the thought.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But I'm not sure how accurate that is. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm really interested to see both because I think I
think Colin is.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, I thought one of the mistakes that Duke
made in the National Championship Game was going away from
con and going strictly to Cooper flag to kind of
win in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
What do I know? What do I know?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
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Speaker 2 (03:54):
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time with the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast
who played for a previous version, previous portion of a
Fox Sports Free or Fox Sports One show, Here's Dan
Patrick talk about Cooper Flags fit with the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Cooper Flag's going to go to Dallas. I don't think
he'll be the Rookie of the Year because he's going
to go to Dallas and I'll have Kyrie eventually, you
have ad you have Klay Thompson, they got some front
court guys. He's going to be asked to do Basically,
it'll change from night to night. Probably, Hey, you might
be scoring a little bit more. Hey, it might be
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rebounding a little bit more. Maybe it's passing a little
bit more. I don't think that he'll be locked into
you better get your twenty shots, you better get you know,
you got to get twenty points. I don't think that
he'll be asked to do that. I think if he does,
that'll be a luxury. But I think Jason Kidd easing
him in and letting him find out exactly what this
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team needs and when what he can add to that team.
But you've already got guys, you've won championships, you got,
you know, an experienced head coach, as Lebron said, you
got a future Hall of Fame coach and Jason Kidd.
And now you're asking Cooper Flag to just be one
of the guys if he went to Washington, if he
went to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
He's not allowed to be just one of the guys.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm going to disagree with Dan on that, Like, does
anybody know anything about the Washington Wizards from last year?
They were so bad that they traded Jordan Poole. You know,
they traded obviously Kyle Cusma mid season. They were just
a joke. So I understand what he's saying is like, yeah,
in that case, he'd have more opportunity to fail or
succeed and take more shots. I think this is the
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best setup for a guy, especially somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Who's his youngest.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Cooper Flag is as he reclassed last year to go
to Duke. Now, he wasn't like a super young reclass
but he's eighteen years old. But if you think about it,
he's got the chance they'll go to the playoffs that
probably go fairly deep in the playoffs. If Kyrie could
come back healthy and be anywhere near what he has
been previously, It's a big if, and Kyrie's had a
(06:10):
litany of injuries. But Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford, Klay
Thompson like it's not a bad team, so I like
it for him. It's It's one of the reasons that
quarterbacks have talked about this for a long time. Sometimes
it's better to be drafted by a good team where
you're not needed to produce right away. But again, I
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don't think I don't think there's anybody who thinks that
Cooper Flag is gonna average twenty five a game in
his first year in the NBA. He's eighteen years old.
He's gonna be a really good player, but you've got
to put realistic expectations on him. Here's Chris Brussard talk
about Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I thought his letter or his tech or tweet was perfect.
He Sady didn't regret playing. He Sady was understands there's
a long ahead of him, but he's up for the challenge,
and he thanked the city, the fans, his teammates like
this was perfect he say he's not feeling sorry for himself,
(07:10):
and I look, I'm gonna say this assuming and I
am making this assumption that he comes back same player. Essentially,
if he does that, he will be one of one
of the faces of the league. Not the he'll never
be I don't think the face, but he'll be, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, Like he's.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Got First of all, he's got the game. He makes
his teammates better, so his teams usually are good. He's
got the swagger, he talks trash, he's clutched, and now
he's got this story that everyone except you know, teams
that are playing against them, everyone can get behind and
cheer for.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Hmm, hold on okaick. Yeah, I don't know. We talked
about the letter yesterday. It was great. It was heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I thought it was pretty articulate as well, and a
little bit stream of consciousness. But you're laying there in
your hospital bed and everybody leaves and you just want
to pen a note.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't necessarily buy the I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Would do it again, Like what do you mean you
would do it again? Would you run the risk of
tearing your achilles ten? And if you knew you were
going to get hurt and you were going to lose.
Probably not, but I do think what it says is
it was special, special run, special team, special group of guys.
They play a unique style, there's a good bond with
the city, and again it all works. But the big
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question with Tyr's Haliburton is he was already a bit
up and down with the scoring. They are just games
in which he was not close to being a star,
despite the fact that he still passed the ball well
and he was still a threat. And this goes back
to the regular season, like there are variances in his production.
Now you throw in an achilles tear at that age,
(09:12):
which means he probably misses most of not all, of
next year. What does it look like for him? Does
he lose a step in terms of his explosiveness. Most
times when guys tear their Achilles tenants later on their career,
he's just coming into his prime. So I think that's
the bigger question. Is the note heartfelt? Yes, does it
show he's a bright guy? Of course, And as I've
(09:34):
told people right when we were kids, they say the
dumb jock, he's.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Clearly not one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But it doesn't change the fact that at twenty five
he's towards Achilles Tenon, and you're usually not the same
player when you come back.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Here's Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He said this about NFL owners at worst colluding and
at best strongly encouraging each other to limit guarantees in
player contracts.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
He did say, quote, there is a little question that
the NFL Management Council, with the lessing of the Commissioner,
encouraged all thirty two NFL clubs to reduce guarantees and
veterans contracts at the March twenty twenty two annual owners meeting.
Now there's specifics to this which we can get into
(10:14):
at that point, whether it comes to Lamar Jackson's negotiations,
Kyler Murray, the Russell Wilson stuff. But just in general,
I'm not surprised, man, I'm sorry, Like, I'm not surprised
at all. I know it's a bad look for NFL owners,
but it doesn't change how I consume the league. Like,
it doesn't change how I feel about the product. It's
(10:36):
not going to make me stop watching the product. I
just work like I don't have any false pretenses about
what the NFL is. The NFL's a business, it's a
cutthroat business, and I do believe that owners probably have
discussions with each other while they're competing against each other,
so to speak, that there are discussions tampering, collusion. I
(10:58):
think all of those things exist. I think they've always existed.
None of this surprises me, So I don't know that
this is necessarily going to turn people off from the
NFL based on these findings.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, I have a I like what Jonas had to say,
but let's let's first start with the definition of collusion.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Right, it's a secret or illegal.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Corporation, cooperation, or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or
deceive others. That's not what this is. I'll just take
you in college basketball. I was at an event called
June Jim in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I was with a
coach who's a longtime friend of mine, who's a really
successful coach individual, but a higher level than our program.
(11:45):
And we started talking about how we do the paying
the players this year, and some teams do that, some
guys get paid a bunch, and some guys don't get
paid anything. Some teams do that you pay everybody the same.
Some teams do a tier system. And we start talking
about how you negotiate with him. That's what businesses do.
You know, there's business groups uh what are they called?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Uh with.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
There's business groups within every city where guys get together
at for for breakfast, right, and you know a guy
who owns the rest guys who own restaurants, they all
get together in town and have a cup of coffee
and they talk about the challenges and I'm sure they
talk about, you know, different vendors and how they save money.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like that's good business.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So if you think NFL owners saying, hey, it was
really fucking stupid to give Deshaun Watson, who has off
the off the field all these issues and then on
the field he's had two acls and that's before he
tours Achilles Tendon a lot of money and hey, we
we shouldn't do this. This is dumb business. It's bad business.
And here's why it's bad business. That's not colluding, that's
(12:49):
not cheating. Okay, you're not cheating anybody anything. So I
get that Pablo Tory is somebody who's trying to find
the bad and all these big bad billionaire owners and
Pablo's are really smart. Guy, don't believe him me, just
ask him, Okay, and he's he went to Harvard. How
do you know somebody went to Harvard? Wait about ten minutes.
They will tell you several times over. Okay, but stop
(13:11):
looking for the boogeyman, because one thing Pablo hasn't done
is run a business. And I can tell you that
as a basketball coach. Now you're running a business, and
you better ask and have text with multiple coaches, even
guys in your own league, even guys you recruiting the
same guy. And now we're talking about money. That's not colluding,
that's not in secrecy, that's not cheaty anybody. That's good business. Hey,
(13:34):
what are you guys paying that guy? They don't have
to tell you, by the way, and they don't have
to do what you ask, what you say they should do.
It's called communicating with people who have the same position
that you have.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Period. Stop this story actually kind of annoys me. That's
what the Fox said.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Say.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
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Speaker 3 (14:03):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I do that was before two Sundays ago. Nezza is
the one who defied the orders of the Dodgers, who
gave her an amazing platform to sing our most proud
song as a country in English. Those those were the orders,
and she defied orders. She sang her song. She was
(14:37):
vilified by a certain part of the pocost spectrum, and
then she was made famous by the other side. And
this I think is probably the issue with political discourse now.
It's and I just heard Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper
the other day on a podcast say, uh, politics started
(14:57):
to worsen when people realized that they could start being
famous as politicians. You can say the same thing about
political activists. And as a defied order, she sung the
Star Spangled Banner in Spanish and has become a hero,
so much so that very liberal talk show host Jimmy
Kimmel had her on his talk show last night.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Here she is, because guys, something you have to know
about me. I'm a Capricorn. Is anyone else a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
We don't like to be in trouble. We follow the rules.
We hate being getting in trouble. And I've never broken
a rule in my life. I can't even cut in line. Okay,
So like if teenage me saw that video of what
I did, I think she would pass out from anxiety.
But all I think the most simple thing I can put,
like this, most simple way I can put is like
the Mama Bear came out, like her telling me, no,
(15:50):
something just came over me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
That I still it.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Only happened seven days ago, so it's I still have
no words for what came over me, but I'm so
happy that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I did it.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
You did it, and it was Yeah, I don't know
what she was told by a corporation, a certain instruction
on how to do something the way that it's been
done ninety nine point nine percent of the time at
sporting events throughout the history of our country.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
But somehow she's a victim.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Dug, that's what we do. That's what we do. That's
that's the new US, right. It's yeah, that one's that's
crazy to me. But then celebrating it, So you're not
Are you ticked off at Neza or at the.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Whose show is that Jimmy Kimmel?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Are you mad at Jimmy Kimmel's show.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
No, it's annoying that she has become famous for defying
the orders of a corporation that gave her a platform.
You can perform at Dodger Stadium. There are agents, there
are record executives in the crowd Dodger Stadium. Performing at
Dodger Stadium is different than performing in Cincinnati. And she said,
(16:57):
fuck you, I'm going to sing the song the opposite
of what you just told me to do. And now
she's famous.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I will tell you, I will tell you we're feeding
into that by even talking about her.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But you're right.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Last night All Star second Basement, I think MVP candidate
is how I saw it referred to today. Could Tell
Marte Diamondback second Basement. I want to say they were
in Chicago and in the middle of a game. Could
Tell Marte started to break down and be emotional and
started crying. And it was later revealed that a white
(17:30):
Sox fan said something about his mother, who died in
a car accident in the Dominican Republic in twenty seventeen.
This is Tory Lavello after the game talking about that
terrible moment.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Fans are nasty and fans go too far sometimes, and
I love my players and I'm gonna protect them. I've
known Katel for nine years, and he's had some unbelievable,
unbelievably great moments and some hardships as well, and some
really really tough moments in his life.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And I know those and at the end of the day, we're.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Human beings and we have emotions, and I saw him hurting,
and I want to protect them.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I love you, and I'm with you, and.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
We're all together, and you're not alone no matter what happens,
no matter what was said or what you heard, that
guy's an idiot and you shouldn't have an impact on you.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
So this was a gen z I think twenty two
years old. He's been banned from the former Kamiski whatever
that place is called. And this exactly, this example is
the perfect example of someone being raised on social media
and people feeling empowered and emboldened to say things in
public that you write on social media platforms.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think that's the biggest problem with social media platforms
is it makes And this is really my point about
you know, it's my big thing is, you know, don't
don't publicize some rando. And we do this occasionally, some
rando on Twitter or Instagram. Don't publicize it because that's
(19:01):
what they want, right And oh yeah, by the way,
that's not real journalism.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We talked about this with Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There's a movement out there for Kitlyn Clark to leave
the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's no movement.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know, idiots on Twitter saying she should leave the
WNBA are people who don't know anything about anything. You know,
don't give them the validation of making their point as
if people who are matter agree with them. And I
think again, this is the issue of social media is
everybody thinks their opinion matters and they don't. And you know,
(19:35):
I know you like to part on gen Z, but
I think that gen X is just as responsible because
gen X tells gen Z you matter, you matter, everybody matters,
and they don't, and everybody's opinion shouldn't be heard. It
started with message boards, it moved its way to social media,
and those same guys that would say things on message
boards they would never say to you in person. Now
(19:57):
you know, they're out at a football game, of basketball game,
a baseball game, and they feel like they're empowered to
say say things. So yeah, it's also barstool does that too, right,
Like we're giving a mouthpiece to people who don't deserve it.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Speaking of Barstool, I think these guys are former Barstool. Okay,
what's the name of the busting Busting boys?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Busting with the boys.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I think they got a new new contract, right, They're
not Barstool anymore. George Kittle said something on that podcast
that I'll tell you what I find annoying about it afterwards.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
It's like my cardio every day at the end of
my workout, so like I'll go, I'll lift, I'll run
my routes, run hills, and then I do like a
twenty minute aster session four days a week, no matter what.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
No shit.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
I love it. You feel, dude? Are you Also it
knocks you the fuck out at night on which is
you sleep so well and you have wild dreams too.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like systems doing a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
I mean, yeah, I'm not the main selling point is
you blow huge loads.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Oh that's what I'm gonna eat that batch?
Speaker 11 (20:59):
Yeah yeah, So like what kind of loads were talking?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It sounds like huge ones, will huge ones?
Speaker 9 (21:04):
I know.
Speaker 11 (21:04):
I was like, I was like, how do I sit now?
I just got to say it, like that's how it
was sold, like to like players, It's like, look at
Booster Tasaser and you sleep really well, you're gonna feel great,
and you also blow huge loads like oh, that's bullshit.
Not bullshit.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
In fact, the annoying thing is I find nothing annoying
about that. That is some of the most brilliant sound
we've ever played on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What what is he say? Just again just for research?
What is he talking about? Is it a substance he takes.
Speaker 13 (21:34):
Yeah, we're trying to vast machine system. I was asking Jason,
I've never heard of this. We'd all like to know
as men, we all like to know what this vasper
system is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, it's a it's it looks like like a rowing
machine type deal.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't I have no idea what it is. That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I wonder is there any way I know you have
sleep number. It wouldn't be a conflict if we got
this system so that everybody at Fox Sports Radio could
blow huge loadsas.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh my god, you're trying to get me fired. Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The Vasper machine, which combines vascular compression and cooling with
interval training, is a high end piece of fitness equipment.
The specific cost of the Vasper machine is not publicly.
The sitting can vary, but it is generally considered to
be expensive. For example, a single session with a Vasper
combined with oxygen training is priced at eighty five dollars.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
So, yeah, I do what is scheduling my appointment right now?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Vast therapy. Oh, here's a vaster machine for sale used.
Let's see does it have the price?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't know. That's crazy. Oh, thirty four thousand dollars used, thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Four to five thirty four thousand dollars. Yeah, that is
the That is more than most people make in this building.
So I don't I don't know if we're gonna be
able to bring one of those into Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so Nezza the White Sox fan and Vasper being thirty
five thousand bucks used.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A Uh, that's the most annoying. But just the celebration
of people who they formed some sort of protest when
they were legitimately given an opportunity to promote themselves and
they do that NASA is annoying.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Draymond Green, he was on the Pivot podcast. He said
this still learning.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh, here's it.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
There's some lessons like that that ultimately make me who
I am to this day. The guy who's sitting here
with you right now, it's not the same person. And
it took me a long time to accept it, because man,
I fucked that up, and I'm not afraid to admit
that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Ah. Yes, what was he talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Messing up doesn't matter if you want to listen to it,
listen to that pod in the meantime, Thanks so much
for listening. Why could we play for you? Because we can't.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottl What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus Fox
Sports Radio iHeart Radio app Welcome in. You know, this
is gonna be a really interesting NBA draft from this perspective.
(00:29):
Two players, both Duke players, and I think they're gonna
be really good pros. I don't know if they'll be
great pros. I think they'll be really good pros. I
mean again, it's just it takes a little bit of luck.
It takes obviously improvement, the right system, right everything around you.
But obviously I'm talking about both Cooper Cooper Flag and
(00:49):
Conk Nipple, and uh yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting
to watch both as we've watched both play together this
year at Duke and try and determine, you know, what
ultimately is their ceiling. Again, I think Nipple is gonna
be really good. And the one thing about Canipple that
(01:10):
and he's not Luca. He's a very different player. He's
a shooter, he's like a I. I think he has
a chance to be a better, bigger, better version of
even a JJ Redick. Elite shooter, but guy who's an
all around better UH player and passer and bigger body,
so more versatile at the defensive end. He's not just
simply a sniper. But as much as we make the
(01:34):
NBA to be way more athletic than it used to be,
it's actually more skill and toughness based than it used
to be. And that's where con fits in. I think
the interesting part is, you know both have parents that
were that were players. You know, Cohn's dad was the
(01:55):
all timeling score at Wisconsin Lutheran, which is a uh,
I think it's a D either a D two school
an AI school in it in Milwaukee. Matter of fact,
he plays that he played at Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
And then you know, Cooper Flag's mom played at Maine,
(02:16):
and so you have and we're starting to see, you know,
obviously a trend of this, not that we haven't seen
players in the past.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And we're gonna get to the where, you know, Carmelo
Anthony's son potentially, and UH, there's there's you know, Gilbert
Arenas's sons, and those guys will matriculate and eventually be
in the NBA. And I think they're more likely to
be real NBA players as opposed to what Browny was
this year. But I'm I'm fascinated by and Cooper is athletic.
(02:49):
He's not as big as people thought, it's not as
tall as people thought, but he is athletic. But I
do think there's something unique there about now. We're coming
into this generation of players whose parents were players and
who have our more skill based than freak athleticism based.
(03:14):
You know, and you know you can't you can make
guys more athletic, but you can't make them into freaks.
But you can make freaky athletic guys into better basketball players,
is generally the thought.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But I'm not sure how accurate that is. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm really interested to see both because I think I
think Colin is.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, I thought one of the mistakes that Duke
made in the National Championship Game was going away from
con and going strictly to Cooper flag to kind of
win in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
What do I know? What do I know?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
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Speaker 2 (03:54):
Let's get to the Fox Says and now say this
time with the Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Podcast
who played for a previous version, previous portion of a
Fox Sports Free or Fox Sports One show, Here's Dan
Patrick talk about Cooper Flags fit with the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Cooper Flag's going to go to Dallas. I don't think
he'll be the Rookie of the Year because he's going
to go to Dallas and I'll have Kyrie eventually, you
have ad you have Klay Thompson, they got some front
court guys. He's going to be asked to do Basically,
it'll change from night to night. Probably, Hey, you might
be scoring a little bit more. Hey, it might be
(04:34):
rebounding a little bit more. Maybe it's passing a little
bit more. I don't think that he'll be locked into
you better get your twenty shots, you better get you know,
you got to get twenty points. I don't think that
he'll be asked to do that. I think if he does,
that'll be a luxury. But I think Jason Kidd easing
him in and letting him find out exactly what this
(04:55):
team needs and when what he can add to that team.
But you've already got guys, you've won championships, you got,
you know, an experienced head coach, as Lebron said, you
got a future Hall of Fame coach and Jason Kidd.
And now you're asking Cooper Flag to just be one
of the guys if he went to Washington, if he
went to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
He's not allowed to be just one of the guys.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm going to disagree with Dan on that, Like, does
anybody know anything about the Washington Wizards from last year?
They were so bad that they traded Jordan Poole. You know,
they traded obviously Kyle Cusma mid season. They were just
a joke. So I understand what he's saying is like, yeah,
in that case, he'd have more opportunity to fail or
succeed and take more shots. I think this is the
(05:45):
best setup for a guy, especially somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Who's his youngest.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Cooper Flag is as he reclassed last year to go
to Duke. Now, he wasn't like a super young reclass
but he's eighteen years old. But if you think about it,
he's got the chance they'll go to the playoffs that
probably go fairly deep in the playoffs. If Kyrie could
come back healthy and be anywhere near what he has
been previously, It's a big if, and Kyrie's had a
(06:10):
litany of injuries. But Kyrie, Anthony Davis, Daniel Gafford, Klay
Thompson like it's not a bad team, so I like
it for him. It's It's one of the reasons that
quarterbacks have talked about this for a long time. Sometimes
it's better to be drafted by a good team where
you're not needed to produce right away. But again, I
(06:32):
don't think I don't think there's anybody who thinks that
Cooper Flag is gonna average twenty five a game in
his first year in the NBA. He's eighteen years old.
He's gonna be a really good player, but you've got
to put realistic expectations on him. Here's Chris Brussard talk
about Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I thought his letter or his tech or tweet was perfect.
He Sady didn't regret playing. He Sady was understands there's
a long ahead of him, but he's up for the challenge,
and he thanked the city, the fans, his teammates like
this was perfect he say he's not feeling sorry for himself,
(07:10):
and I look, I'm gonna say this assuming and I
am making this assumption that he comes back same player. Essentially,
if he does that, he will be one of one
of the faces of the league. Not the he'll never
be I don't think the face, but he'll be, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, Like he's.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Got First of all, he's got the game. He makes
his teammates better, so his teams usually are good. He's
got the swagger, he talks trash, he's clutched, and now
he's got this story that everyone except you know, teams
that are playing against them, everyone can get behind and
cheer for.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Hmm, hold on okaick. Yeah, I don't know. We talked
about the letter yesterday. It was great. It was heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I thought it was pretty articulate as well, and a
little bit stream of consciousness. But you're laying there in
your hospital bed and everybody leaves and you just want
to pen a note.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I don't necessarily buy the I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Would do it again, Like what do you mean you
would do it again? Would you run the risk of
tearing your achilles ten? And if you knew you were
going to get hurt and you were going to lose.
Probably not, but I do think what it says is
it was special, special run, special team, special group of guys.
They play a unique style, there's a good bond with
the city, and again it all works. But the big
(08:49):
question with Tyr's Haliburton is he was already a bit
up and down with the scoring. They are just games
in which he was not close to being a star,
despite the fact that he still passed the ball well
and he was still a threat. And this goes back
to the regular season, like there are variances in his production.
Now you throw in an achilles tear at that age,
(09:12):
which means he probably misses most of not all, of
next year. What does it look like for him? Does
he lose a step in terms of his explosiveness. Most
times when guys tear their Achilles tenants later on their career,
he's just coming into his prime. So I think that's
the bigger question. Is the note heartfelt? Yes, does it
show he's a bright guy? Of course, And as I've
(09:34):
told people right when we were kids, they say the
dumb jock, he's.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Clearly not one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But it doesn't change the fact that at twenty five
he's towards Achilles Tenon, and you're usually not the same
player when you come back.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Here's Jonas Knox.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He said this about NFL owners at worst colluding and
at best strongly encouraging each other to limit guarantees in
player contracts.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
He did say, quote, there is a little question that
the NFL Management Council, with the lessing of the Commissioner,
encouraged all thirty two NFL clubs to reduce guarantees and
veterans contracts at the March twenty twenty two annual owners meeting.
Now there's specifics to this which we can get into
(10:14):
at that point, whether it comes to Lamar Jackson's negotiations,
Kyler Murray, the Russell Wilson stuff. But just in general,
I'm not surprised, man, I'm sorry, Like, I'm not surprised
at all. I know it's a bad look for NFL owners,
but it doesn't change how I consume the league. Like,
it doesn't change how I feel about the product. It's
(10:36):
not going to make me stop watching the product. I
just work like I don't have any false pretenses about
what the NFL is. The NFL's a business, it's a
cutthroat business, and I do believe that owners probably have
discussions with each other while they're competing against each other,
so to speak, that there are discussions tampering, collusion. I
(10:58):
think all of those things exist. I think they've always existed.
None of this surprises me, So I don't know that
this is necessarily going to turn people off from the
NFL based on these findings.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, I have a I like what Jonas had to say,
but let's let's first start with the definition of collusion.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Right, it's a secret or illegal.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Corporation, cooperation, or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or
deceive others. That's not what this is. I'll just take
you in college basketball. I was at an event called
June Jim in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I was with a
coach who's a longtime friend of mine, who's a really
successful coach individual, but a higher level than our program.
(11:45):
And we started talking about how we do the paying
the players this year, and some teams do that, some
guys get paid a bunch, and some guys don't get
paid anything. Some teams do that you pay everybody the same.
Some teams do a tier system. And we start talking
about how you negotiate with him. That's what businesses do.
You know, there's business groups uh what are they called?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Uh with.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
There's business groups within every city where guys get together
at for for breakfast, right, and you know a guy
who owns the rest guys who own restaurants, they all
get together in town and have a cup of coffee
and they talk about the challenges and I'm sure they
talk about, you know, different vendors and how they save money.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like that's good business.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So if you think NFL owners saying, hey, it was
really fucking stupid to give Deshaun Watson, who has off
the off the field all these issues and then on
the field he's had two acls and that's before he
tours Achilles Tendon a lot of money and hey, we
we shouldn't do this. This is dumb business. It's bad business.
And here's why it's bad business. That's not colluding, that's
(12:49):
not cheating. Okay, you're not cheating anybody anything. So I
get that Pablo Tory is somebody who's trying to find
the bad and all these big bad billionaire owners and
Pablo's are really smart. Guy, don't believe him me, just
ask him, Okay, and he's he went to Harvard. How
do you know somebody went to Harvard? Wait about ten minutes.
They will tell you several times over. Okay, but stop
(13:11):
looking for the boogeyman, because one thing Pablo hasn't done
is run a business. And I can tell you that
as a basketball coach. Now you're running a business, and
you better ask and have text with multiple coaches, even
guys in your own league, even guys you recruiting the
same guy. And now we're talking about money. That's not colluding,
that's not in secrecy, that's not cheaty anybody. That's good business. Hey,
(13:34):
what are you guys paying that guy? They don't have
to tell you, by the way, and they don't have
to do what you ask, what you say they should do.
It's called communicating with people who have the same position
that you have.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Period. Stop this story actually kind of annoys me. That's
what the Fox said.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Say.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I do that was before two Sundays ago. Nezza is
the one who defied the orders of the Dodgers, who
gave her an amazing platform to sing our most proud
song as a country in English. Those those were the orders,
and she defied orders. She sang her song. She was
(14:37):
vilified by a certain part of the pocost spectrum, and
then she was made famous by the other side. And
this I think is probably the issue with political discourse now.
It's and I just heard Chuck Todd and Jake Tapper
the other day on a podcast say, uh, politics started
(14:57):
to worsen when people realized that they could start being
famous as politicians. You can say the same thing about
political activists. And as a defied order, she sung the
Star Spangled Banner in Spanish and has become a hero,
so much so that very liberal talk show host Jimmy
Kimmel had her on his talk show last night.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Here she is, because guys, something you have to know
about me. I'm a Capricorn. Is anyone else a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
We don't like to be in trouble. We follow the rules.
We hate being getting in trouble. And I've never broken
a rule in my life. I can't even cut in line. Okay,
So like if teenage me saw that video of what
I did, I think she would pass out from anxiety.
But all I think the most simple thing I can put,
like this, most simple way I can put is like
the Mama Bear came out, like her telling me, no,
(15:50):
something just came over me.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
That I still it.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Only happened seven days ago, so it's I still have
no words for what came over me, but I'm so
happy that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I did it.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
You did it, and it was Yeah, I don't know
what she was told by a corporation, a certain instruction
on how to do something the way that it's been
done ninety nine point nine percent of the time at
sporting events throughout the history of our country.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
But somehow she's a victim.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Dug, that's what we do. That's what we do. That's
that's the new US, right. It's yeah, that one's that's
crazy to me. But then celebrating it, So you're not
Are you ticked off at Neza or at the.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Whose show is that Jimmy Kimmel?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Are you mad at Jimmy Kimmel's show.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
No, it's annoying that she has become famous for defying
the orders of a corporation that gave her a platform.
You can perform at Dodger Stadium. There are agents, there
are record executives in the crowd Dodger Stadium. Performing at
Dodger Stadium is different than performing in Cincinnati. And she said,
(16:57):
fuck you, I'm going to sing the song the opposite
of what you just told me to do. And now
she's famous.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I will tell you, I will tell you we're feeding
into that by even talking about her.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But you're right.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Last night All Star second Basement, I think MVP candidate
is how I saw it referred to today. Could Tell
Marte Diamondback second Basement. I want to say they were
in Chicago and in the middle of a game. Could
Tell Marte started to break down and be emotional and
started crying. And it was later revealed that a white
(17:30):
Sox fan said something about his mother, who died in
a car accident in the Dominican Republic in twenty seventeen.
This is Tory Lavello after the game talking about that
terrible moment.
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Fans are nasty and fans go too far sometimes, and
I love my players and I'm gonna protect them. I've
known Katel for nine years, and he's had some unbelievable,
unbelievably great moments and some hardships as well, and some
really really tough moments in his life.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And I know those and at the end of the day, we're.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Human beings and we have emotions, and I saw him hurting,
and I want to protect them.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I love you, and I'm with you, and.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
We're all together, and you're not alone no matter what happens,
no matter what was said or what you heard, that
guy's an idiot and you shouldn't have an impact on you.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
So this was a gen z I think twenty two
years old. He's been banned from the former Kamiski whatever
that place is called. And this exactly, this example is
the perfect example of someone being raised on social media
and people feeling empowered and emboldened to say things in
public that you write on social media platforms.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think that's the biggest problem with social media platforms
is it makes And this is really my point about
you know, it's my big thing is, you know, don't
don't publicize some rando. And we do this occasionally, some
rando on Twitter or Instagram. Don't publicize it because that's
(19:01):
what they want, right And oh yeah, by the way,
that's not real journalism.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We talked about this with Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There's a movement out there for Kitlyn Clark to leave
the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
There's no movement.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know, idiots on Twitter saying she should leave the
WNBA are people who don't know anything about anything. You know,
don't give them the validation of making their point as
if people who are matter agree with them. And I
think again, this is the issue of social media is
everybody thinks their opinion matters and they don't. And you know,
(19:35):
I know you like to part on gen Z, but
I think that gen X is just as responsible because
gen X tells gen Z you matter, you matter, everybody matters,
and they don't, and everybody's opinion shouldn't be heard. It
started with message boards, it moved its way to social media,
and those same guys that would say things on message
boards they would never say to you in person. Now
(19:57):
you know, they're out at a football game, of basketball game,
a baseball game, and they feel like they're empowered to
say say things. So yeah, it's also barstool does that too, right,
Like we're giving a mouthpiece to people who don't deserve it.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Speaking of Barstool, I think these guys are former Barstool. Okay,
what's the name of the busting Busting boys?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Busting with the boys.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
I think they got a new new contract, right, They're
not Barstool anymore. George Kittle said something on that podcast
that I'll tell you what I find annoying about it afterwards.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
It's like my cardio every day at the end of
my workout, so like I'll go, I'll lift, I'll run
my routes, run hills, and then I do like a
twenty minute aster session four days a week, no matter what.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
No shit.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
I love it. You feel, dude? Are you Also it
knocks you the fuck out at night on which is
you sleep so well and you have wild dreams too.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like systems doing a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 11 (20:47):
I mean, yeah, I'm not the main selling point is
you blow huge loads.
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Oh that's what I'm gonna eat that batch?
Speaker 11 (20:59):
Yeah yeah, So like what kind of loads were talking?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It sounds like huge ones, will huge ones?
Speaker 9 (21:04):
I know.
Speaker 11 (21:04):
I was like, I was like, how do I sit now?
I just got to say it, like that's how it
was sold, like to like players, It's like, look at
Booster Tasaser and you sleep really well, you're gonna feel great,
and you also blow huge loads like oh, that's bullshit.
Not bullshit.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
In fact, the annoying thing is I find nothing annoying
about that. That is some of the most brilliant sound
we've ever played on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
What what is he say? Just again just for research?
What is he talking about? Is it a substance he takes.
Speaker 13 (21:34):
Yeah, we're trying to vast machine system. I was asking Jason,
I've never heard of this. We'd all like to know
as men, we all like to know what this vasper
system is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, it's a it's it looks like like a rowing
machine type deal.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't I have no idea what it is. That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I wonder is there any way I know you have
sleep number. It wouldn't be a conflict if we got
this system so that everybody at Fox Sports Radio could
blow huge loadsas.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Oh my god, you're trying to get me fired. Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The Vasper machine, which combines vascular compression and cooling with
interval training, is a high end piece of fitness equipment.
The specific cost of the Vasper machine is not publicly.
The sitting can vary, but it is generally considered to
be expensive. For example, a single session with a Vasper
combined with oxygen training is priced at eighty five dollars.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
So, yeah, I do what is scheduling my appointment right now?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Vast therapy. Oh, here's a vaster machine for sale used.
Let's see does it have the price?
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't know. That's crazy. Oh, thirty four thousand dollars used, thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Four to five thirty four thousand dollars. Yeah, that is
the That is more than most people make in this building.
So I don't I don't know if we're gonna be
able to bring one of those into Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so Nezza the White Sox fan and Vasper being thirty
five thousand bucks used.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A Uh, that's the most annoying. But just the celebration
of people who they formed some sort of protest when
they were legitimately given an opportunity to promote themselves and
they do that NASA is annoying.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Draymond Green, he was on the Pivot podcast. He said
this still learning.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh, here's it.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
There's some lessons like that that ultimately make me who
I am to this day. The guy who's sitting here
with you right now, it's not the same person. And
it took me a long time to accept it, because man,
I fucked that up, and I'm not afraid to admit
that to you.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Ah. Yes, what was he talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Messing up doesn't matter if you want to listen to it,
listen to that pod in the meantime, Thanks so much
for listening. Why could we play for you? Because we can't.
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Fox Sports Radio.
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