June 25, 2025 • 38 mins
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew share their favorite moments from the NBA Draft over the years. Doug welcomes former NBA Champion Antonio Daniels onto the show to recap the Thunder's championship, talk about Cooper Flagg and all of the other headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the middle of the week, the middle of the day,
the middle of the show, kind of extra middle where
let we have middle show syndrome, and so we do
this every Wednesday, something we call the midway. It's not
getting it's time for the.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay. I want to propose two potential midways, and Jay
Stu proposed to and Dan didn't want to do one
because it was about Dan, And that's the great thing
about Dan. He's like, I don't want to talk about me.
I just want to talk sports. So Dan's proposal, or
actually jay Stu's that Dan liked, which is basically draft
memories NBA draft memories right, and within that, jay Stu
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wanted to talk about how if you weren't in the industry,
would you ever watch it? Right? Would you ever care?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I also think that Jason's number one topic was a
bit tongue in cheek. I don't think that we were
going to sit here.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And well just I mean I again, Doug said something
an hour ago. We're not We're not We're not fake
on this show. We're gonna let all of our awards
on the air show because we're not fake. I sent
this to the group. I said, it's Dan's last show
for a while. Let's talk about things we appreciate most
about Dan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What do you mean Dan's last show for a while,
Because you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Know, the fourth of July holiday, everybody in the industry
gets really lazy and goes on vacations. Dan Byer fills in.
He's our main filling guy.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm off tomorrow and Friday, and I'm with you guys, uh,
throughout the week through Wednesday of next week, and then Doug,
I know you're going to be doing some different stuff,
so I'll be doing your show.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I think the fourth Am I doing Dan? The third? Two? No,
I'm doing Colin. I don't know. I having on my phone.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yes so, But so I just figured since we're not
gonna have Dan for a while, we could just kind
of spend some time listening most.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't down with that one.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But I tell people all the time, you know, running
people at the super Bowl or whatever, and I say,
you know, Dan Byer is great. Is radio lubricant. Okay,
all right? He makes everything feel and sound better.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I've told Dan that. I just I don't like it
when he's not on. I don't. I really, I agree.
When you're not here, Jason, obviously it's somebody less experience
than you, but can be a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, it's no disrespect to the people that come in.
It's just different because we've worked together for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, but you also you also fill in some of
my weak spots. You're so you're good. But here here's
one that I wanted to propose. Okay, there's these conundrums
that you have and specifically have them when you travel,
and I wanted to throw one out to you guys.
So my son and I we were staying at a
hotel in North Conway, New Hampshire for the last couple
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of days. And it was a suite okay, and one
room had the bed and it was like a queen bed.
It was nice, but the air wasn't really working. It
was working, but it wasn't cold. The other room air
was pumping, but it was a pull out couch, but
a pull out to a full bed. So which would
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you choose? It's kind of a would you rather cool
air in a pullout or warmer air in a real
bed with a nice soft mattress and good sheets, or
we can do draft memories, dan Byra, lets you choose.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got some draft memories to tell you about. But
I would probably take the cool room.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
We'll do draft memories, Jay su what room would you take?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, I definitely go with the cooler environment every single time.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, but you know, pull out beds are never really colortable.
Like you wake up and you're like, I have.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
To go to a cap braa is this a throwback?
And I'm sorry I was doing something on my computer.
If you said this already, I apologize. This is a
throwback of that Seinfeld episode where Lane has to sleep
on the pull out bed and there's it's so hot
and it's it's Jerry's parents condo or how down in
Florida and they have it like the AC set of
like eighty two, and she has to sleep on a
pull up bed where there's a bar sticking in her back.
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She's she's getting awful sleep and it's too hot.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, so this is either or oh, this is an
either or. This is either you have the bar stick
in your back or you're too hot, but not both.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I would take the cool room with a terrible uh
spot to sleep on, because yeah, the heat can just
drive you nuts. But you could you can maybe a
curl up into a ball, or you know, go switch
around so your feet or where your head would be
normally and just try to Well.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The other thing you can do is you shower right
before bed, and then you put on as little clothing
as possible and you get right into bed while you're
still cool.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Then you yeah, you don't use any covers, no sheets,
You just lay in there, possibly in the nude.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, yes, buns buns up? Okay, favorite Jeff memories stand
by r go Jalen Roses suit.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, there'd never be anything that the Michigan player drafted
ever upon Ever. I My whole point was, Jason said,
would you be interested or not if you were in
our industry? And I just don't think that there is
interest outside of this. ESPN's gonna put it on ABC
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tonight because even if you're a sports fan, the NBA
draft isn't what we think it is. It's not drafting
the best players. And so when we were talking earlier, Doug,
when I named the All American team from nineteen ninety
two and how the five players that were on that team,
with four of them were the first four picks and
the other one was still a lottery pick. In twenty
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twenty five, you have Jenni Broome, who maybe a second rounder,
Branden Smith's back at Purdue. Cooper Flagg's the only player
on there that we know. And I feel that it's
the problem of the NBA draft is if the NBA
draft actually just wanted to draft the best players, then
maybe they would, but they're looking for the potential, they're
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looking for everything else around it, and there's no way
that transcends to anybody that's not in this business. Nobody
knows any of these players outside of Cooper Flag. Maybe
you know kan Kinneppel, but VJ. Edgecomb is one of
the better talents that you're going to see in the draft.
But I'm not sure how many people were sitting down
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watching Baylor hoops this year, and your Rutgers example is
even stronger than what I have, So I just don't
think that there's any way that it transcends like it
did and watching You know, ninety two was my favorite
draft because that's when Jim Jackson got drafted. Unfortunately, looking back,
it was by the Dallas Mavericks, but still you know
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that All American team it was It was Shack morning
Latner in JJ one, two, three, four, And you knew
those names in college hoops, and.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That's just not what. Now what college hoops and now
what the NBA is now?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean there's plenty of time to get plenty
of time to get paid. But yeah, and now guys
are getting paid in college, so will will a higher
level of guys stay in college draft memories. I mean,
my first kind of breakthrough gig It ESPN was covering
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the draft for Radio two thousand and three drafts and
neverget Lebron and walked in. He just looked different than
everybody else, not just facially, just in terms of what
the kids say. Aura. Yeah, he definitely had that aura.
That's my memory.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
One of my favorite memories is when Bill Simmons got
so mad because he felt that teams were catering to
the heat and I think it was to get Shabbaz Napier.
I think I thought that was the was the deal,
but that that a trade was done to allow Napier
to go to the And I remember Bill Simmons getting
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so mad because I feel the same way, and I
think a lot of us, maybe not a lot of us,
some of us feel the same way. With the Kansas
City Chiefs. Remember when the Bills traded last year, not
this past year, but the year before and allowed them
to get you know, Xavier Worthy, And we're like, man,
why would the Bills want to help the Chiefs? But
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I remember Bill Simmons sitting on that set and saying
the exact thing, like, why would you want to help
the heat in stewing in that moment. There are a
lot of mel kiper junior moments that we remember from
the NFL Draft. There aren't a ton from the NBA Draft,
but I remember that from Bill Simmons.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, it's interesting about how even the coolness to it.
I just if if if somebody in their twenties and
you said, hey, the NBA Draft used to be the
cool draft, they were like, what what are you talking about? Like, yeah,
it was everything, And the NFL Draft was in a
ballroom in New York and just calling out names. It's
(10:05):
a it's been an amazing one eighty Jay Stu. You
just I mean, sorry, Sam, you just root for Iowa
guys that we do. Just let me know what Iowa
guy comes up.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
See, I don't have a ton of NBA Draft memories.
I'll say that. Yes, the last one I have, probably
the only one I have, is Keegan Murray going fourth
overall in twenty twenty two, because the prior last Iowa
guy before that to go in the first round was
Ricky Davis.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
A sure, yeah, yeah, Ricky Davis is super tough.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes, Ricky Davis in nineteen eighty eight, so yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
I just didn't really pay attention to the NBA Draft
of the years.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But I was sitting in this wonderful pizza place in
Iowa City or around the Corralville, Io City border called
Wigan Penn and I saw Keegan Murray get taken and
that's what I remember.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, there you go, Ja, Stu, you got any memories.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I remember Jerry West traded in nineteen ninety six, traded
Vade Devouts for the Hornets pick that ended up being
Kobe Bryant. That sticks out. I remember Steve Francis wasn't
very happy about going to Vancouver in that team ninety nine,
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as he was visibly distraught that he had to go
to Vancouver.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That was funny as he was, he was not happy.
Then the year prior, the Bucks had the number one
pick and they won the lottery, And it's funny on
when you look back, and I still it was a
very good pick for them. But Grant Hill went three
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to the Pistons, Jason Kidd went number two to the MAVs,
and the Bucks took Glenn Robinson number one. Glenn Robinson
was the player of the year in college basketball in
nineteen ninety four, it was a big deal, like huge, Yes,
he really.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Was huge deal, gigantic. But again to two, I think
it was your point, Dan, Earlier, college basketball as a
whole was so much bigger and the players were bigger
and they and we knew them, Yeah, we knew them.
Whereas now they are staying. But many of them are
staying and still going to other schools. And you're like,
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know that guy, where do I know that guy from? Well,
he was at this school and he was at that school.
He was at this school, like I, so I don't
know him. It's very It's it's just hard. It's hard
for fans to keep up, and most fans don't care
to keep up, you know, like, yeah, I want to
see that kid as a freshman. I want to see
him as a sophomore or maybe as junior. I honestly, like,
I just think three years is better. It's never going
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to get there now. I mean maybe it could, but
testin field that way. My proposal, I don't know if
I've told you guys this is I think NBA teams
should be allowed. They used to have a provision where
you could be drafted by an NBA team, they maintain
your rights, you go play in college? Why not?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Larry Bird?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, Larry Bird did it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, it's one of the if it's trivia of like
where was Larry Bird drafted?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
You know he was?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Dan Field mean on that one. I didn't know that
he was drafted. Then he went back and then he
actually started the NBA that Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think he was sixth overall in nineteen seventy eight.
I think that's what he was. Yep, we should bring
that back.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, because there was so much crossover between NBA and
and then being like a semi pro in college.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you another idea. I have
you guys ready for it? I haven't. I haven't shared
this with anybody on air before. I have talked to
other coaches, are you guys familiar with and they do
it in soccer as well, with how players are loaned
out to other clubs. Yeah, yes, okay, I think that
should happen in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Like, hey, I think you should happened to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, why not? Why not? Well, we want to maintain
his rights. He's young. We don't need like Oklahoma City
right now, okamis he has all these traffics, We draft
him and then we put him on loan. You play
for he plays for you for a couple of years
now and you can do whatever level. But uh, most
of them they stashed him overseas. But again for college basketball, like,
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all right, you're not gonna be a freshman in play
at Wisconsin. You're not gonna be a freshman in play
at North Carolina. But if you have a worker relationship
with that coach, hey, you send him to us for
a year or two years, and then we send him
back to you. He's already you know, and then we
we negotiate how much of his compensation that we paid.
Why not.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tyrese Maxi on loan from the Sixers to uh, you know,
to the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah would be great, Yeah, that would be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I'm trying to think other other draft Oh uh, I
remember what that year in two thousand and three, when
Indy Ebby was selected, David Curtin called him do.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh man, It's funny because I also look at I've
got there's so many Bucks stories, Doug. It was a
big deal in nineteen ninety one when the Bucks took
Todd Day and Lee Mayberry from Arkansas, so you had
like both of those players. I mentioned Glenn Robinson in
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nineteen ninety four. Obviously the Day Mayberry era did not
work out since they were picking number one three years later,
but it was a big deal at that time. There
was college basketball carry over from the college game and
now into your home state team. That was a big deal.
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It was definitely and Todd Day was maybe like picked
eighth or tenth, and Lee Mayberry was later in the
first round, but you were still excited about those players.
Now you get into the fifth pick and you're like,
who who did we take eighth? Even less, maybe there's
one or two players that kind of will be around
mid round picks that you'd be like, Okay, I remember
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that name.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I know that name.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But picks five, six, and seven used to be just
as exciting as two, three, and four, but not anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
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So we're gonna catch up with Antonio Daniels in a second.
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But you know, I'll never forget when I met Brad Stevens.
It was his first year as head coach at at Butler.
They beat Valpo at the Arc, which is where Valpo
plays their their games. And I didn't know Brad. You know,
I was fairly new to the business. But I had
known the previous coaches at Butler, Barry Collier who went
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on to be the athletic director at at the head
coach at Nebraska and then now he's back as the
athletic director at Butler. But I was blown away by
the thought he put into so many things, and I
could make the argument NBA College he's the good coaches
we've ever had, and he kicked himself upstairs a couple
of years ago. Well, they pulled off some moves last night,
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like trading away, drew a holiday, and seemed to position
themselves really really well. Prezingis has gone. Holidays gone, and
we'll see about what the additions are? All right? Stuck
got them show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of of Dan Byrol. Let's talkome to Antonio Daniels.
He played thirteen years of the NBA. He's the analyst
for the Orleans Pelicans TV network, and he joins us.
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Now we're just a couple of days removed from the
Oklahoma City Thunder winning the NBA Championship. Let's start with
Let's start with the injury. Tyr's Halburton's injury. We've seen
a lot of players far more so than normal feels
like de Jehon, Tay Burray, Torarus Achilles tendon. He's in
his not yet in his prime. Same thing here. What
do you think is behind the rash of high level
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NBA players tearing their Achilles tennon?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
I wish I know. I don't even I don't feel
knowledged enough to give an explanation as to why. You know,
I've seen people talk about the pace is faster than
it's ever been, and you know, I've seen other people
talk about the fact that guys don't wear high top
tennis shoes anymore, you know, So it could be a
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number of different things, and honestly, I don't. I have
no idea. I know even today, I still play at
fifty years old, and that's my one of my biggest fears.
And you see how much that can change the trajectory
of an organization. Like we saw Dame Lillard, we saw
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Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant, we saw Theresa Holliburton. You know,
we saw Jason Tatum. And now you look at that
Boston team now as opposed to the way that Boston
team look when Jason Tatum ruptured his achilles. So it's
a it's a crazy injury, devastating injury. I wish I
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could tell you, Doug, but I have no I have
no I don't feel knowledge enough to say the reason
in rationale as to why it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Though it is unfortunate, but it's it's very, very honest.
Have you gotten a chance to see Cooper Flight play?
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I love him. I love him, and you know the
thing for me though, for me, I've come to realize
I can't put too much into college basketball. And I'm
saying that respectfully because it's a totally different game. Because
I can give you a few guys off the top
of my head right now and ask you is this
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the same guy you saw in college? And you'll tell
me no. Right, the talent hero that you see now
is that the Tyleer hero you saw in college? No,
dos As Harden you see now, is that the zans
Harden you saw in college? Right? The Devin Booker, the
Devin Booker, the Donovan Mitchell. Like, the thing is, guys
get better when they get to the league because it's open.
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So a lot of times a guy skill set while
he's in college is somewhat boxed in. I feel like
when god get an opportunity to get to that next level,
then you can see a full array of who they
are on both sides of the basketball that I feel
in college you really don't get an opportunity to see it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yep, Yep, that is special.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
He's special.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Though, what's the what's the high end? What's the low end?
In your mind?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
For a Cooper? Like, I don't know because what that
is is that that involves comparison and contrast. And like
for me, do I think he's generational? I think he
has the ability to be generational. I do I think
he has the skill set to be generational. I think
he has the confidence to be generational. Now, what changed
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my whole thought process is when I watched him play
against the Olympic team. And again you're gonna watch that
and say, well, maybe the guys on the Olympic team
weren't going, you know, like they were playing against France
in the gold medal games. But still, that young man
was seventeen years old. He was seventeen years old, not
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yet a year removed from prom and he was out
there giving it guys, given it to guys. That's not
an easy thing to do. But a lot of this
league is about getting drafted to the right place, with
the right teammates, in the right situation, with the right coach.
And I think at this particular point in his career,
I think Dallas is a great place for him to
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get drafted.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And I agree he doesn't have to you know, people
make it out of his offense and what he doesn't
have to carry the team. But you have Anthony Davis.
They just resigned Daniel Gafford right like, they're gonna be
really good so he doesn't have to go down. Yeah,
they have rim protection. He's gonna be a four, you know,
a three, four. I have to you know, guard guards
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as well, but he can use his size and his
long arms to be super effective. I'm with you on
on all that, all of it. Okay, So Oklahoma City
wins the championship. As we told people, you cover the Pelicans,
you also do NBA radio. Uh. You have people who
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will say this team is not nearly as good as
many of the championship teams of yesteryear. What would your
retort be?
Speaker 7 (23:11):
I mean, and I mean this respectfully. Who cares like
it doesn't? I mean, it doesn't matter because they don't
have to play those championship teams.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Like.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
The thing is, people have a hard time in this
generation of basketball talk, in a basketball culture saying anybody
that's playing today is the best fill in the blank
of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I I don't, I don't. I don't think so tell
I disagree people think like Look, I mean, look, there's
there'll always be a healthy debate over Lebron and and
Michael Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time? Right?
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Do you know how many people that have combated that?
You know, I mean, I'm talking about people that are
on your network, People that are on your network that
I join weekly that will say Steph Curry is not
the greatest shooter of all time?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Who is?
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I've always said, yes, I've always said I don't even
think that's debatable. I don't think it's debatable. But I'm
wrong because it's debatable because there are other people out
there that disagree.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I think the point is and I had I had
a great discussion with somebody from the Bucks yesterday and
they we were talking about whether or not you know,
the Bucks uh trade Giannis start over And they were like,
it's actually, I don't want to say easier, but there's
more parody than ever. It's it's not that hard to
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put yourself in the conference finals if you could have
a really good in the East, well even in the West,
a man Bro the Warriors, the Warriors aren't. Warriors aren't
good anymore. The Lakers aren't good anymore. The Nuggets have
no bench, and they were but well, hold on, I
didn't get to the caveat the caveat was you gotta
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have you know, one of these star players. But you also,
it's so much of it's about health and luck, you know,
with than anything else. You know, do you think this
this era of parody remains.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
See, I think it remains because the CBA, the way
it's constructed now, it's not really set up for teams
to have dynasty. You know, I've seen this CBA referred
to as the dynasty killer because if you look at
the way it's constructed, it's not set up for teams
to to have sustain long term success like we saw
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in Golden State, like we saw in San Antonio, you know,
some of the some of the dynasties that we've seen, Like,
think about it, Boston. Think about how Boston looked entering
this year, right entering this season, sure, right now, how
they mcnow, how like things change in a heartbeat because
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of this new CBA. Well, I'm that teams are trying
to stay under I'll push Oklahoma City, I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Only push back on you with the Warriors because of this.
One of the things that allowed the Warriors to sustain
their success longer was Steph Curry's second contract was because
because because he had all the ankle injuries, he didn't
have a huge sex he didn't have a huge second contract.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
So, but Doug, but Dub, the reason that this CBA
is even in play now is because of the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Right because they could go into that second tax and
still and still find ways they pay the tax and
still find a way to survive.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
So it's it's like, we look at Oklahoma City right now,
is what they did this year sustainable for five years?
Six years?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Uh? Probably only because they're uniquely positioned because of all
those draft picks, right right.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
But the thing is DoD like, it's gonna come a
point like what people what I feel like gets lost
here when we have the discussions about this is chemistry.
I feel like it's the most underrated and undervalued aspect
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's gonna come in in basketball, no question in basketball,
I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
For sure, for sure. So it's gonna come a point
where teams come knocking for Lou Dorg and teams teams
come knocking for Aaron Wiggins, and teams come knocking for
Isaiah Joe And you know what the average fani saying,
Oh man, you can find somebody to do what they do.
But what you're not taking into consideration is the chemistry
(27:44):
of the role, definition and understanding that these guys had
that led to an NBA championship. Because there are guys
outside of Jake Goods, Alexander and Jay and Ted Holgern,
outside of Isaiah Hartenstein and Alex Thruso that are going
to need to be taken Cara financially.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yep, no. I mean Cruso is the perfect example, right,
and the Lakers didn't valued enough, but he was a glue.
He was a glue piece when they won the COVID Championship.
Last thing circling back to Antonio dan is joining US
NBA Radio Plus. He's the color analyst for the New
Orleans Pelicans. He joins us in the Doug Gotlieb Show
(28:23):
on Fox Sports Radio. What percentage of people know the
NBA Draft went to two days, Well, I feel.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Like a lot of people would know simply because of
last year's because they felt like it would put off
for Bronnie. That's what it felt like. It felt like
the only reason it went to two days is because
Bronnie James. People were looking to see if and where
Bronnie James would end up. I'm interested to see how
much traction it gets this year on the second day
when Bronnie James is not there.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I don't think very much. Agrees, don't I
just don't. I just don't. I think it's one of
those oh the NFL's do we gotta do it? Like
yeah you no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
No, I'm not a fan of it. I am not
a fan of it. Mean, I am not a fan
of it all.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And look I did, I did, I think twelve NBA drafts,
twelve NBA drafts on ESPN Radio, and then I did
a couple. We did some stuff when I was at CBS.
And the second round does move fast and furious, and
you don't know who's going to wear because guys are
are actually traded before their draft and all the other stuff.
But to have a whole other day, I don't, I
(29:30):
don't really get.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I'll tell you what, though, Doug, it's gonna be a
it seems like for what everything that we're here and
it's supposed to be a pretty busy night around the league,
it will.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Be a pretty big It will be a pretty pretty
big last thing. Kevin Garnett, Kevin Kevin gart Kevin Durant
in Houston. How does that work?
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Well? You know, for me, I'm gonna be honest with you, Doug.
I love Kevin Durant. He's one of my favorite players
to watch play. I am just not on board with
teams going big game honey anymore, where's the last team
to win? Where's the last team where that paid off? Right?
Because if you look at the pieces that are needed
to win, it's guys like Isaiah Hartenstein. It's guys like
(30:12):
Alice Caruso's, guys like Drew Holliday's, guys like Derek White,
Guys like PJ. Tucker, Contavious Carwell, Pope, you know, Bruce Brown,
these kind of guys.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They didn't win the title, but Dallas did get to
the finals. Big I'm hunting going after Kyrie Irving to
add to Luca, So did.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You know what I know? But does the drafting difference
from getting to the finals and winning the final? You're right,
there are more examples. There are more examples of team
going big game hunting that didn't work out as opposed
to the ones that went big game, honey, they did,
no question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He's Antonio Daniels. He does an awesome job. Don't enjoy
the draft to night. We'll talk soon. Thanks for being
our guest for sure.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Appreciation brothers you too.
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Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well you got Doug quite a day in Major League baseball.
Out with what happened in Milwaukee today in front of
a sellout crowd forty two thousand, seven hundred plus an
American family field to watch a Brewers Pirates game on
a Wednesday afternoon, and they witnessed this bree two pitch.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He got his woking with this slider.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Jacob Mizerowski PI eight to strike out of this game,
and about as fired up as you'll see him running
back into that first base dugout.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He would strike out eight and five innings of work
as he and the Brewers beat Paul Skeens in the
Pirates four to two.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Schemes went four innings.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Struck out four, but allowed those four runs in the
second inning as Milwaukee gets the victory.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
But how about a sellout crowd.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ye, what happened there?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Well, its schemes against Miserowski.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, it's gotta be like it's gotta be like camp
day or something right like day baseball in Milwaukee. It's
gonna be seventy two thousand people had to be some sort.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Of no this, no way, no, absolutely, And I don't
know if Jason Stewart's available or not, but I'm just
gonna bring him in. Do you think there was a
bobblehead today? Or do you think that the Brewers sold
out because of Skeens against Miserowski.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
The local interest and both of those pictures I think
was overwhelming. But I'll check it to see if there's
a promotion today. I put it this way.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I was so steadfast in my belief I didn't even
bother to look. And I am not wavering. I'm saying
that they came out because this was hype. This is
actually in yesterday's game. I saw people tweeting, yeah, but
wait till wait till tomorrow showdown by the way Brewers
Radio Network with that call. But it is a good
thing to have now young stars. We know Paul Skeins,
(33:48):
but Miserowski's been magnificent since being called up earlier this year.
He could also be a possible star in the making.
No promotions today, No, no promotions, Doug, there, it is
nothing free, no freebies. No, if it's free, it's me.
I'm showing up forty two thousand on a Wednesday afternoon
(34:09):
on June twenty fifth, packing American Family Fields as I
almost called it Miller Park again.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
God, it seems to that's amazing. I just say that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I think it's a good sign. I think it's a
really good sign for Major League Baseball. This was not
a good sign. And I know you guys did a
deep dive on the pod that's going to go live
here in a few minutes. But Major League Baseball did
suspend the twenty two year old fan who yelled an
insensitive comment about the late mother of Diamondbacks all star
could Tell Marte during last night's game, suspended indefinitely.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Is that fan?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I mean, okay, again, if he knew I were something,
this guy knew what he was talking about.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Right, Yeah, I would, I would think so. I did
not know the backstory behind I could Tell Marte and
what happened to his mother in twenty seventeen. So whoever
yelled it obviously had to do some sort of research
sure and figuring out what was happening, which takes effort,
which even makes it worse. It's not just a flipping
(35:13):
thing that maybe was publicly known. I don't know how
you would know that and then feel the need.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To yell it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But for those that missed it last night brought to tears.
I know you guys get deeper on it in the podcast,
but Marte had to be consoled by his teammates and
Skipper Tory Leavello. Yeah, just a tough scene, but that
fan suspended definitely.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, ugly, ugly stuff. But I mean again, my whole
thing is, I just think we empower people that shouldn't
be empowered by even mentioning tweets on TV shows, you know,
putting them up on screen on some of these you know,
daily Hollywood shows like Oh Jennifer Aniston has upset so
(35:55):
many people, and they put some random Twitter like cares.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I will say this though, to bring someone to tears
is is a pretty pretty heavy visual. And if there's
going to be a deterrent, I would think that the
human nature in some or maybe people who were borderline
on whether they would do something like that, seeing something
(36:20):
like that would be I think something to move someone
to not do that. Now, there's maybe always the point
one percent that's there's no problem with it, but I
don't know. I don't know how you cannot be affected
by seeing him get emotional when when that happened last night,
and I think that could be a deterrent.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I just yeah, I just don't know what. I don't
know what was said. You know, it was a random
passing comment like your your mom and then yeah, but
it does sound like he was pointed and directed. But
I also do like.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
I don't think we need to give the fan any
in all of this.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Let's let's let's go to the next one.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, Houston Rocket signed guard Fred van Vlietz a new
two year deal worth fifty million dollars. The team declined
his player option that was worth almost forty five million,
but back in Houston on a two year deal.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
So it's a two year deal for fifty and he
had a one year deal for forty.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, for forty five. That was a team option.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, yes, good, good. He was overpaid. And he's you know,
he's gotten this point where he just shoots threes, but
you know, now he can be probably you know, a
third option with Shenguin and with Kevin Durant, Like, I
don't hate it. And then he got Thompson who's going
to come into his own as a great defender. Don't
hate it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Texas State's leaving the Sun Belt for the Pac twelve.
The addition of Texas State now gives that conference eight
football playing members, and that's the press.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
May get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Because nothing says new pack like Texas State, right, new
pack like Texas State. Just a bizarre world. Yeah, Cooper
Flag's gonna go number one. I think he's gonna be
really good. I kind of think he compares to Kevin Garnett.
We'll discuss tomorrow
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as well. Dan Byer, j stew Iowa, Sam, and I
am your I am your host. I'm your host. It's
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the middle of the week, the middle of the day,
the middle of the show, kind of extra middle where
let we have middle show syndrome, and so we do
this every Wednesday, something we call the midway. It's not
getting it's time for the.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay. I want to propose two potential midways, and Jay
Stu proposed to and Dan didn't want to do one
because it was about Dan, And that's the great thing
about Dan. He's like, I don't want to talk about me.
I just want to talk sports. So Dan's proposal, or
actually jay Stu's that Dan liked, which is basically draft
memories NBA draft memories right, and within that, jay Stu
(01:31):
wanted to talk about how if you weren't in the industry,
would you ever watch it? Right? Would you ever care?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I also think that Jason's number one topic was a
bit tongue in cheek. I don't think that we were
going to sit here.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
And well just I mean I again, Doug said something
an hour ago. We're not We're not We're not fake
on this show. We're gonna let all of our awards
on the air show because we're not fake. I sent
this to the group. I said, it's Dan's last show
for a while. Let's talk about things we appreciate most
about Dan.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What do you mean Dan's last show for a while,
Because you.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Know, the fourth of July holiday, everybody in the industry
gets really lazy and goes on vacations. Dan Byer fills in.
He's our main filling guy.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm off tomorrow and Friday, and I'm with you guys, uh,
throughout the week through Wednesday of next week, and then Doug,
I know you're going to be doing some different stuff,
so I'll be doing your show.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I think the fourth Am I doing Dan? The third? Two? No,
I'm doing Colin. I don't know. I having on my phone.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yes so, But so I just figured since we're not
gonna have Dan for a while, we could just kind
of spend some time listening most.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't down with that one.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
But I tell people all the time, you know, running
people at the super Bowl or whatever, and I say,
you know, Dan Byer is great. Is radio lubricant. Okay,
all right? He makes everything feel and sound better.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I've told Dan that. I just I don't like it
when he's not on. I don't. I really, I agree.
When you're not here, Jason, obviously it's somebody less experience
than you, but can be a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, it's no disrespect to the people that come in.
It's just different because we've worked together for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, but you also you also fill in some of
my weak spots. You're so you're good. But here here's
one that I wanted to propose. Okay, there's these conundrums
that you have and specifically have them when you travel,
and I wanted to throw one out to you guys.
So my son and I we were staying at a
hotel in North Conway, New Hampshire for the last couple
(03:48):
of days. And it was a suite okay, and one
room had the bed and it was like a queen bed.
It was nice, but the air wasn't really working. It
was working, but it wasn't cold. The other room air
was pumping, but it was a pull out couch, but
a pull out to a full bed. So which would
(04:11):
you choose? It's kind of a would you rather cool
air in a pullout or warmer air in a real
bed with a nice soft mattress and good sheets, or
we can do draft memories, dan Byra, lets you choose.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got some draft memories to tell you about. But
I would probably take the cool room.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
We'll do draft memories, Jay su what room would you take?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, I definitely go with the cooler environment every single time.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, but you know, pull out beds are never really colortable.
Like you wake up and you're like, I have.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
To go to a cap braa is this a throwback?
And I'm sorry I was doing something on my computer.
If you said this already, I apologize. This is a
throwback of that Seinfeld episode where Lane has to sleep
on the pull out bed and there's it's so hot
and it's it's Jerry's parents condo or how down in
Florida and they have it like the AC set of
like eighty two, and she has to sleep on a
pull up bed where there's a bar sticking in her back.
(05:06):
She's she's getting awful sleep and it's too hot.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, so this is either or oh, this is an
either or. This is either you have the bar stick
in your back or you're too hot, but not both.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I would take the cool room with a terrible uh
spot to sleep on, because yeah, the heat can just
drive you nuts. But you could you can maybe a
curl up into a ball, or you know, go switch
around so your feet or where your head would be
normally and just try to Well.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The other thing you can do is you shower right
before bed, and then you put on as little clothing
as possible and you get right into bed while you're
still cool.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Then you yeah, you don't use any covers, no sheets,
You just lay in there, possibly in the nude.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, yes, buns buns up? Okay, favorite Jeff memories stand
by r go Jalen Roses suit.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, there'd never be anything that the Michigan player drafted
ever upon Ever. I My whole point was, Jason said,
would you be interested or not if you were in
our industry? And I just don't think that there is
interest outside of this. ESPN's gonna put it on ABC
(06:23):
tonight because even if you're a sports fan, the NBA
draft isn't what we think it is. It's not drafting
the best players. And so when we were talking earlier, Doug,
when I named the All American team from nineteen ninety
two and how the five players that were on that team,
with four of them were the first four picks and
the other one was still a lottery pick. In twenty
(06:45):
twenty five, you have Jenni Broome, who maybe a second rounder,
Branden Smith's back at Purdue. Cooper Flagg's the only player
on there that we know. And I feel that it's
the problem of the NBA draft is if the NBA
draft actually just wanted to draft the best players, then
maybe they would, but they're looking for the potential, they're
(07:08):
looking for everything else around it, and there's no way
that transcends to anybody that's not in this business. Nobody
knows any of these players outside of Cooper Flag. Maybe
you know kan Kinneppel, but VJ. Edgecomb is one of
the better talents that you're going to see in the draft.
But I'm not sure how many people were sitting down
(07:28):
watching Baylor hoops this year, and your Rutgers example is
even stronger than what I have, So I just don't
think that there's any way that it transcends like it
did and watching You know, ninety two was my favorite
draft because that's when Jim Jackson got drafted. Unfortunately, looking back,
it was by the Dallas Mavericks, but still you know
(07:49):
that All American team it was It was Shack morning
Latner in JJ one, two, three, four, And you knew
those names in college hoops, and.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
That's just not what. Now what college hoops and now
what the NBA is now?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean there's plenty of time to get plenty
of time to get paid. But yeah, and now guys
are getting paid in college, so will will a higher
level of guys stay in college draft memories. I mean,
my first kind of breakthrough gig It ESPN was covering
(08:23):
the draft for Radio two thousand and three drafts and
neverget Lebron and walked in. He just looked different than
everybody else, not just facially, just in terms of what
the kids say. Aura. Yeah, he definitely had that aura.
That's my memory.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
One of my favorite memories is when Bill Simmons got
so mad because he felt that teams were catering to
the heat and I think it was to get Shabbaz Napier.
I think I thought that was the was the deal,
but that that a trade was done to allow Napier
to go to the And I remember Bill Simmons getting
(09:03):
so mad because I feel the same way, and I
think a lot of us, maybe not a lot of us,
some of us feel the same way. With the Kansas
City Chiefs. Remember when the Bills traded last year, not
this past year, but the year before and allowed them
to get you know, Xavier Worthy, And we're like, man,
why would the Bills want to help the Chiefs? But
(09:25):
I remember Bill Simmons sitting on that set and saying
the exact thing, like, why would you want to help
the heat in stewing in that moment. There are a
lot of mel kiper junior moments that we remember from
the NFL Draft. There aren't a ton from the NBA Draft,
but I remember that from Bill Simmons.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, it's interesting about how even the coolness to it.
I just if if if somebody in their twenties and
you said, hey, the NBA Draft used to be the
cool draft, they were like, what what are you talking about? Like, yeah,
it was everything, And the NFL Draft was in a
ballroom in New York and just calling out names. It's
(10:05):
a it's been an amazing one eighty Jay Stu. You
just I mean, sorry, Sam, you just root for Iowa
guys that we do. Just let me know what Iowa
guy comes up.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
See, I don't have a ton of NBA Draft memories.
I'll say that. Yes, the last one I have, probably
the only one I have, is Keegan Murray going fourth
overall in twenty twenty two, because the prior last Iowa
guy before that to go in the first round was
Ricky Davis.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
A sure, yeah, yeah, Ricky Davis is super tough.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes, Ricky Davis in nineteen eighty eight, so yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
I just didn't really pay attention to the NBA Draft
of the years.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
But I was sitting in this wonderful pizza place in
Iowa City or around the Corralville, Io City border called
Wigan Penn and I saw Keegan Murray get taken and
that's what I remember.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, there you go, Ja, Stu, you got any memories.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I remember Jerry West traded in nineteen ninety six, traded
Vade Devouts for the Hornets pick that ended up being
Kobe Bryant. That sticks out. I remember Steve Francis wasn't
very happy about going to Vancouver in that team ninety nine,
(11:21):
as he was visibly distraught that he had to go
to Vancouver.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That was funny as he was, he was not happy.
Then the year prior, the Bucks had the number one
pick and they won the lottery, And it's funny on
when you look back, and I still it was a
very good pick for them. But Grant Hill went three
(11:50):
to the Pistons, Jason Kidd went number two to the MAVs,
and the Bucks took Glenn Robinson number one. Glenn Robinson
was the player of the year in college basketball in
nineteen ninety four, it was a big deal, like huge, Yes,
he really.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Was huge deal, gigantic. But again to two, I think
it was your point, Dan, Earlier, college basketball as a
whole was so much bigger and the players were bigger
and they and we knew them, Yeah, we knew them.
Whereas now they are staying. But many of them are
staying and still going to other schools. And you're like,
(12:26):
know that guy, where do I know that guy from? Well,
he was at this school and he was at that school.
He was at this school, like I, so I don't
know him. It's very It's it's just hard. It's hard
for fans to keep up, and most fans don't care
to keep up, you know, like, yeah, I want to
see that kid as a freshman. I want to see
him as a sophomore or maybe as junior. I honestly, like,
I just think three years is better. It's never going
(12:48):
to get there now. I mean maybe it could, but
testin field that way. My proposal, I don't know if
I've told you guys this is I think NBA teams
should be allowed. They used to have a provision where
you could be drafted by an NBA team, they maintain
your rights, you go play in college? Why not?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Larry Bird?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, Larry Bird did it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, it's one of the if it's trivia of like
where was Larry Bird drafted?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
You know he was?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Dan Field mean on that one. I didn't know that
he was drafted. Then he went back and then he
actually started the NBA that Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think he was sixth overall in nineteen seventy eight.
I think that's what he was. Yep, we should bring
that back.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, because there was so much crossover between NBA and
and then being like a semi pro in college.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you another idea. I have
you guys ready for it? I haven't. I haven't shared
this with anybody on air before. I have talked to
other coaches, are you guys familiar with and they do
it in soccer as well, with how players are loaned
out to other clubs. Yeah, yes, okay, I think that
should happen in college basketball.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Like, hey, I think you should happened to the NBA.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, why not? Why not? Well, we want to maintain
his rights. He's young. We don't need like Oklahoma City
right now, okamis he has all these traffics, We draft
him and then we put him on loan. You play
for he plays for you for a couple of years
now and you can do whatever level. But uh, most
of them they stashed him overseas. But again for college basketball, like,
(14:19):
all right, you're not gonna be a freshman in play
at Wisconsin. You're not gonna be a freshman in play
at North Carolina. But if you have a worker relationship
with that coach, hey, you send him to us for
a year or two years, and then we send him
back to you. He's already you know, and then we
we negotiate how much of his compensation that we paid.
Why not.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tyrese Maxi on loan from the Sixers to uh, you know,
to the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah would be great, Yeah, that would be magnificent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I'm trying to think other other draft Oh uh, I
remember what that year in two thousand and three, when
Indy Ebby was selected, David Curtin called him do.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh man, It's funny because I also look at I've
got there's so many Bucks stories, Doug. It was a
big deal in nineteen ninety one when the Bucks took
Todd Day and Lee Mayberry from Arkansas, so you had
like both of those players. I mentioned Glenn Robinson in
(15:25):
nineteen ninety four. Obviously the Day Mayberry era did not
work out since they were picking number one three years later,
but it was a big deal at that time. There
was college basketball carry over from the college game and
now into your home state team. That was a big deal.
(15:46):
It was definitely and Todd Day was maybe like picked
eighth or tenth, and Lee Mayberry was later in the
first round, but you were still excited about those players.
Now you get into the fifth pick and you're like,
who who did we take eighth? Even less, maybe there's
one or two players that kind of will be around
mid round picks that you'd be like, Okay, I remember
(16:07):
that name.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I know that name.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But picks five, six, and seven used to be just
as exciting as two, three, and four, but not anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
You remember Nicholaie's skittish Philly Oh yeah, yeah, I Couldn't
play Dead with a knife is back, and that is
a midway the midway.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
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So we're gonna catch up with Antonio Daniels in a second.
(17:02):
But you know, I'll never forget when I met Brad Stevens.
It was his first year as head coach at at Butler.
They beat Valpo at the Arc, which is where Valpo
plays their their games. And I didn't know Brad. You know,
I was fairly new to the business. But I had
known the previous coaches at Butler, Barry Collier who went
(17:25):
on to be the athletic director at at the head
coach at Nebraska and then now he's back as the
athletic director at Butler. But I was blown away by
the thought he put into so many things, and I
could make the argument NBA College he's the good coaches
we've ever had, and he kicked himself upstairs a couple
of years ago. Well, they pulled off some moves last night,
(17:46):
like trading away, drew a holiday, and seemed to position
themselves really really well. Prezingis has gone. Holidays gone, and
we'll see about what the additions are? All right? Stuck
got them show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of of Dan Byrol. Let's talkome to Antonio Daniels.
He played thirteen years of the NBA. He's the analyst
for the Orleans Pelicans TV network, and he joins us.
(18:08):
Now we're just a couple of days removed from the
Oklahoma City Thunder winning the NBA Championship. Let's start with
Let's start with the injury. Tyr's Halburton's injury. We've seen
a lot of players far more so than normal feels
like de Jehon, Tay Burray, Torarus Achilles tendon. He's in
his not yet in his prime. Same thing here. What
do you think is behind the rash of high level
(18:31):
NBA players tearing their Achilles tennon?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
I wish I know. I don't even I don't feel
knowledged enough to give an explanation as to why. You know,
I've seen people talk about the pace is faster than
it's ever been, and you know, I've seen other people
talk about the fact that guys don't wear high top
tennis shoes anymore, you know, So it could be a
(18:55):
number of different things, and honestly, I don't. I have
no idea. I know even today, I still play at
fifty years old, and that's my one of my biggest fears.
And you see how much that can change the trajectory
of an organization. Like we saw Dame Lillard, we saw
(19:17):
Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant, we saw Theresa Holliburton. You know,
we saw Jason Tatum. And now you look at that
Boston team now as opposed to the way that Boston
team look when Jason Tatum ruptured his achilles. So it's
a it's a crazy injury, devastating injury. I wish I
(19:37):
could tell you, Doug, but I have no I have
no I don't feel knowledge enough to say the reason
in rationale as to why it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Though it is unfortunate, but it's it's very, very honest.
Have you gotten a chance to see Cooper Flight play?
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I think.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I love him. I love him, and you know the
thing for me though, for me, I've come to realize
I can't put too much into college basketball. And I'm
saying that respectfully because it's a totally different game. Because
I can give you a few guys off the top
of my head right now and ask you is this
(20:18):
the same guy you saw in college? And you'll tell
me no. Right, the talent hero that you see now
is that the Tyleer hero you saw in college? No,
dos As Harden you see now, is that the zans
Harden you saw in college? Right? The Devin Booker, the
Devin Booker, the Donovan Mitchell. Like, the thing is, guys
get better when they get to the league because it's open.
(20:42):
So a lot of times a guy skill set while
he's in college is somewhat boxed in. I feel like
when god get an opportunity to get to that next level,
then you can see a full array of who they
are on both sides of the basketball that I feel
in college you really don't get an opportunity to see it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yep, Yep, that is special.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
He's special.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Though, what's the what's the high end? What's the low end?
In your mind?
Speaker 7 (21:13):
For a Cooper? Like, I don't know because what that
is is that that involves comparison and contrast. And like
for me, do I think he's generational? I think he
has the ability to be generational. I do I think
he has the skill set to be generational. I think
he has the confidence to be generational. Now, what changed
(21:35):
my whole thought process is when I watched him play
against the Olympic team. And again you're gonna watch that
and say, well, maybe the guys on the Olympic team
weren't going, you know, like they were playing against France
in the gold medal games. But still, that young man
was seventeen years old. He was seventeen years old, not
(21:56):
yet a year removed from prom and he was out
there giving it guys, given it to guys. That's not
an easy thing to do. But a lot of this
league is about getting drafted to the right place, with
the right teammates, in the right situation, with the right coach.
And I think at this particular point in his career,
I think Dallas is a great place for him to
(22:18):
get drafted.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And I agree he doesn't have to you know, people
make it out of his offense and what he doesn't
have to carry the team. But you have Anthony Davis.
They just resigned Daniel Gafford right like, they're gonna be
really good so he doesn't have to go down. Yeah,
they have rim protection. He's gonna be a four, you know,
a three, four. I have to you know, guard guards
(22:40):
as well, but he can use his size and his
long arms to be super effective. I'm with you on
on all that, all of it. Okay, So Oklahoma City
wins the championship. As we told people, you cover the Pelicans,
you also do NBA radio. Uh. You have people who
(23:02):
will say this team is not nearly as good as
many of the championship teams of yesteryear. What would your
retort be?
Speaker 7 (23:11):
I mean, and I mean this respectfully. Who cares like
it doesn't? I mean, it doesn't matter because they don't
have to play those championship teams.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Like.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
The thing is, people have a hard time in this
generation of basketball talk, in a basketball culture saying anybody
that's playing today is the best fill in the blank
of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I I don't, I don't. I don't think so tell
I disagree people think like Look, I mean, look, there's
there'll always be a healthy debate over Lebron and and
Michael Steph Curry is the greatest shooter of all time? Right?
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Do you know how many people that have combated that?
You know, I mean, I'm talking about people that are
on your network, People that are on your network that
I join weekly that will say Steph Curry is not
the greatest shooter of all time?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Who is?
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I've always said, yes, I've always said I don't even
think that's debatable. I don't think it's debatable. But I'm
wrong because it's debatable because there are other people out
there that disagree.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I think the point is and I had I had
a great discussion with somebody from the Bucks yesterday and
they we were talking about whether or not you know,
the Bucks uh trade Giannis start over And they were like,
it's actually, I don't want to say easier, but there's
more parody than ever. It's it's not that hard to
(24:50):
put yourself in the conference finals if you could have
a really good in the East, well even in the West,
a man Bro the Warriors, the Warriors aren't. Warriors aren't
good anymore. The Lakers aren't good anymore. The Nuggets have
no bench, and they were but well, hold on, I
didn't get to the caveat the caveat was you gotta
(25:11):
have you know, one of these star players. But you also,
it's so much of it's about health and luck, you know,
with than anything else. You know, do you think this
this era of parody remains.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
See, I think it remains because the CBA, the way
it's constructed now, it's not really set up for teams
to have dynasty. You know, I've seen this CBA referred
to as the dynasty killer because if you look at
the way it's constructed, it's not set up for teams
to to have sustain long term success like we saw
(25:49):
in Golden State, like we saw in San Antonio, you know,
some of the some of the dynasties that we've seen, Like,
think about it, Boston. Think about how Boston looked entering
this year, right entering this season, sure, right now, how
they mcnow, how like things change in a heartbeat because
(26:09):
of this new CBA. Well, I'm that teams are trying
to stay under I'll push Oklahoma City, I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Only push back on you with the Warriors because of this.
One of the things that allowed the Warriors to sustain
their success longer was Steph Curry's second contract was because
because because he had all the ankle injuries, he didn't
have a huge sex he didn't have a huge second contract.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
So, but Doug, but Dub, the reason that this CBA
is even in play now is because of the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Right because they could go into that second tax and
still and still find ways they pay the tax and
still find a way to survive.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
So it's it's like, we look at Oklahoma City right now,
is what they did this year sustainable for five years?
Six years?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Uh? Probably only because they're uniquely positioned because of all
those draft picks, right right.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
But the thing is DoD like, it's gonna come a
point like what people what I feel like gets lost
here when we have the discussions about this is chemistry.
I feel like it's the most underrated and undervalued aspect
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It's gonna come in in basketball, no question in basketball,
I agree with you.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
For sure, for sure. So it's gonna come a point
where teams come knocking for Lou Dorg and teams teams
come knocking for Aaron Wiggins, and teams come knocking for
Isaiah Joe And you know what the average fani saying,
Oh man, you can find somebody to do what they do.
But what you're not taking into consideration is the chemistry
(27:44):
of the role, definition and understanding that these guys had
that led to an NBA championship. Because there are guys
outside of Jake Goods, Alexander and Jay and Ted Holgern,
outside of Isaiah Hartenstein and Alex Thruso that are going
to need to be taken Cara financially.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yep, no. I mean Cruso is the perfect example, right,
and the Lakers didn't valued enough, but he was a glue.
He was a glue piece when they won the COVID Championship.
Last thing circling back to Antonio dan is joining US
NBA Radio Plus. He's the color analyst for the New
Orleans Pelicans. He joins us in the Doug Gotlieb Show
(28:23):
on Fox Sports Radio. What percentage of people know the
NBA Draft went to two days, Well, I feel.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Like a lot of people would know simply because of
last year's because they felt like it would put off
for Bronnie. That's what it felt like. It felt like
the only reason it went to two days is because
Bronnie James. People were looking to see if and where
Bronnie James would end up. I'm interested to see how
much traction it gets this year on the second day
when Bronnie James is not there.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I mean, I don't think very much. Agrees, don't I
just don't. I just don't. I think it's one of
those oh the NFL's do we gotta do it? Like
yeah you no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
No, I'm not a fan of it. I am not
a fan of it. Mean, I am not a fan
of it all.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And look I did, I did, I think twelve NBA drafts,
twelve NBA drafts on ESPN Radio, and then I did
a couple. We did some stuff when I was at CBS.
And the second round does move fast and furious, and
you don't know who's going to wear because guys are
are actually traded before their draft and all the other stuff.
But to have a whole other day, I don't, I
(29:30):
don't really get.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I'll tell you what, though, Doug, it's gonna be a
it seems like for what everything that we're here and
it's supposed to be a pretty busy night around the league,
it will.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Be a pretty big It will be a pretty pretty
big last thing. Kevin Garnett, Kevin Kevin gart Kevin Durant
in Houston. How does that work?
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Well? You know, for me, I'm gonna be honest with you, Doug.
I love Kevin Durant. He's one of my favorite players
to watch play. I am just not on board with
teams going big game honey anymore, where's the last team
to win? Where's the last team where that paid off? Right?
Because if you look at the pieces that are needed
to win, it's guys like Isaiah Hartenstein. It's guys like
(30:12):
Alice Caruso's, guys like Drew Holliday's, guys like Derek White,
Guys like PJ. Tucker, Contavious Carwell, Pope, you know, Bruce Brown,
these kind of guys.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They didn't win the title, but Dallas did get to
the finals. Big I'm hunting going after Kyrie Irving to
add to Luca, So did.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You know what I know? But does the drafting difference
from getting to the finals and winning the final? You're right,
there are more examples. There are more examples of team
going big game hunting that didn't work out as opposed
to the ones that went big game, honey, they did,
no question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He's Antonio Daniels. He does an awesome job. Don't enjoy
the draft to night. We'll talk soon. Thanks for being
our guest for sure.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Appreciation brothers you too.
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Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well you got Doug quite a day in Major League baseball.
Out with what happened in Milwaukee today in front of
a sellout crowd forty two thousand, seven hundred plus an
American family field to watch a Brewers Pirates game on
a Wednesday afternoon, and they witnessed this bree two pitch.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He got his woking with this slider.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Jacob Mizerowski PI eight to strike out of this game,
and about as fired up as you'll see him running
back into that first base dugout.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He would strike out eight and five innings of work
as he and the Brewers beat Paul Skeens in the
Pirates four to two.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Schemes went four innings.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Struck out four, but allowed those four runs in the
second inning as Milwaukee gets the victory.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
But how about a sellout crowd.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Ye, what happened there?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Well, its schemes against Miserowski.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, it's gotta be like it's gotta be like camp
day or something right like day baseball in Milwaukee. It's
gonna be seventy two thousand people had to be some sort.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Of no this, no way, no, absolutely, And I don't
know if Jason Stewart's available or not, but I'm just
gonna bring him in. Do you think there was a
bobblehead today? Or do you think that the Brewers sold
out because of Skeens against Miserowski.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
The local interest and both of those pictures I think
was overwhelming. But I'll check it to see if there's
a promotion today. I put it this way.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I was so steadfast in my belief I didn't even
bother to look. And I am not wavering. I'm saying
that they came out because this was hype. This is
actually in yesterday's game. I saw people tweeting, yeah, but
wait till wait till tomorrow showdown by the way Brewers
Radio Network with that call. But it is a good
thing to have now young stars. We know Paul Skeins,
(33:48):
but Miserowski's been magnificent since being called up earlier this year.
He could also be a possible star in the making.
No promotions today, No, no promotions, Doug, there, it is
nothing free, no freebies. No, if it's free, it's me.
I'm showing up forty two thousand on a Wednesday afternoon
(34:09):
on June twenty fifth, packing American Family Fields as I
almost called it Miller Park again.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
God, it seems to that's amazing. I just say that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I think it's a good sign. I think it's a
really good sign for Major League Baseball. This was not
a good sign. And I know you guys did a
deep dive on the pod that's going to go live
here in a few minutes. But Major League Baseball did
suspend the twenty two year old fan who yelled an
insensitive comment about the late mother of Diamondbacks all star
could Tell Marte during last night's game, suspended indefinitely.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Is that fan?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I mean, okay, again, if he knew I were something,
this guy knew what he was talking about.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Right, Yeah, I would, I would think so. I did
not know the backstory behind I could Tell Marte and
what happened to his mother in twenty seventeen. So whoever
yelled it obviously had to do some sort of research
sure and figuring out what was happening, which takes effort,
which even makes it worse. It's not just a flipping
(35:13):
thing that maybe was publicly known. I don't know how
you would know that and then feel the need.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To yell it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But for those that missed it last night brought to tears.
I know you guys get deeper on it in the podcast,
but Marte had to be consoled by his teammates and
Skipper Tory Leavello. Yeah, just a tough scene, but that
fan suspended definitely.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, ugly, ugly stuff. But I mean again, my whole
thing is, I just think we empower people that shouldn't
be empowered by even mentioning tweets on TV shows, you know,
putting them up on screen on some of these you know,
daily Hollywood shows like Oh Jennifer Aniston has upset so
(35:55):
many people, and they put some random Twitter like cares.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I will say this though, to bring someone to tears
is is a pretty pretty heavy visual. And if there's
going to be a deterrent, I would think that the
human nature in some or maybe people who were borderline
on whether they would do something like that, seeing something
(36:20):
like that would be I think something to move someone
to not do that. Now, there's maybe always the point
one percent that's there's no problem with it, but I
don't know. I don't know how you cannot be affected
by seeing him get emotional when when that happened last night,
and I think that could be a deterrent.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I just yeah, I just don't know what. I don't
know what was said. You know, it was a random
passing comment like your your mom and then yeah, but
it does sound like he was pointed and directed. But
I also do like.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
I don't think we need to give the fan any
in all of this.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Let's let's let's go to the next one.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, Houston Rocket signed guard Fred van Vlietz a new
two year deal worth fifty million dollars. The team declined
his player option that was worth almost forty five million,
but back in Houston on a two year deal.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
So it's a two year deal for fifty and he
had a one year deal for forty.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, for forty five. That was a team option.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, yes, good, good. He was overpaid. And he's you know,
he's gotten this point where he just shoots threes, but
you know, now he can be probably you know, a
third option with Shenguin and with Kevin Durant, Like, I
don't hate it. And then he got Thompson who's going
to come into his own as a great defender. Don't
hate it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Texas State's leaving the Sun Belt for the Pac twelve.
The addition of Texas State now gives that conference eight
football playing members, and that's the press.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
May get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Because nothing says new pack like Texas State, right, new
pack like Texas State. Just a bizarre world. Yeah, Cooper
Flag's gonna go number one. I think he's gonna be
really good. I kind of think he compares to Kevin Garnett.
We'll discuss tomorrow
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