June 25, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains why people are less interested in the NBA draft than every before. Doug shares his reason for why the NFL owners did NOT collude to limit guaranteed contracts. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:36):
It's the Doug Ottleib Show, It's Fox Sports Radio, and
it is NBA Draft Day.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Anytime you say draft day, people think of Draft Day
the movie. You ever noticed that? And I was like, oh,
Kevin Costner, Kevin Costner, Oh you don't think of Draft
Day of the movie. That's that just Kevin? Is that
Kevin Costum? Drop? I got a good work there, Sammy,
good good, good work. If you can get it. We
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do have a lot to get to here on the show,
and I'm fired up. It's it's It's Cooper Flag's Draft Night.
That's really kind of what it is. Right. Every draft
has kind of a label. But what's what's really interesting
about Tonight's NBA Draft is you know we are getting
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fewer and fewer, like flyers on guys. Yes, there are
some freshmen that are gonna go. Obviously, you know the
two Rutgers kids, a lot of them. But you're also
getting an even older kind of back end of that
of that draft. I saw that Lebron James said something
and it's really interesting. So Lebron obviously was drafted, do
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you guys go twenty two or twenty three years ago? Today?
This is like the old stoplight thing when we were kids,
because he was drafted in two thousand and three, in
twenty twenty five, So normally you say, well, that's twenty
two years, but if you actually count the years, it's
twenty three years. Jay Stew, do you want to jump
in on this? This feels like something that you would
(02:13):
bother you when people say the wrong year.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It seems like it's unequivocally twenty two years. Am I
What am I missing? Where's the gray area there?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, it's twenty twenty three, so just do the count.
Two thousand and four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen twenty one, two three, four five that's twenty two.
You're right, I guess.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I guess it's cool, not five.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I guess it's in my mind if I count two
thousand and three, right, I.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Was count year. I was count year to year, like
twenty three to twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Buyers laugh byers laughing at me because I just I
just contradicted myself.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Well, I would just take twenty five minus three since
it's twenty twenty five twenty and two thousand and three.
But I will say this, I did see a TikTok lately,
and then I'll let you get to your point of
it was very sobering that your birthday is actually the
like the year that you just completed. Yes, So that's
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kind of the sobering thing, Like you're into like, I'm
forty eight, so now I'm kind of like in the
year forty nine, you're forty eight, and you know, one
hundred and eighty days or whatever. We have January birthday,
so we're our half birthday's next month, Doug. But it's yeah,
that was that was a little bit sobering, right, because
you don't get credit for year zero when you turn one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yes, correct, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I guess Lebron was drafted in three and he
hasn't started the twenty twenty five season yet, so you
could kind of like he hadn't started to see me
when he was drafted. No, it's what doesn't work that.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Way, No, because it's we're just talking about the drafts,
the actual drafts.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, let's get back, can I can I just ask? Honestly? No,
I don't want to start the show over.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I probably should like the TBS five after the hour,
it's the Doug Gottlieb should right three or five Eastern.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
No, I don't like, we don't fake it here, right,
Like none of it is like feigned excitement. And I
think Cooper Flag's really really good. I think there's some
talented guys in this draft. But it's really weird on
how this event has become a I just really don't
care event, and then they made it into a two
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day event. And here's how much people don't care? What
percentage of people do you think? No, this is a
two day event. I'm gonna go like ten percent? What
do you think by it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, Like Sam, you equivalently, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't know, Yeah, because like I just the NBA
Draft just doesn't get a lot of attention. It's not
the event that the NFL Draft is not even close.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, no, I don't think anybody argues that it did
used to be. It did used to be. That's the
weird part about it, right, Like the am I with
and I would also I actually thought a lot about this.
These are the thoughts that I have when I'm traveling
or I should be sleeping and I'm not is I
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was thinking about the pushback over this thought, and I
think Jay Stu has a little bit of the thought
that one of the reasons that people are turned off
by the NBA is the political stance of it of
some of their players. Is that fair? J Stew do
you think that's a portion of why some people you
believe are turned off by the NBA.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think that if you wanted to make a pie chart,
a pie chart of why people aren't paying attention to
the NBA, they're the political stances since twenty twenty is
a portion of it. I don't know what percentage.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I guess if that were true, and if political stances
on one side, and maybe maybe baseball players aren't as
pronounced in their stances. But baseball, baseball, I believe, is
probably the most republican sport, are you? Does anybody want
to argue with that one? Right? In terms of the
American born players it is. I would say it's the
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most like republican.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Sports in team sports.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, okay, you okay with that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I don't have any opinion on it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But chasing so nothing talking about NASCAR, right, this is
just the three majors.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
It's honestly, PGA Tour is pretty right, okay, publican right,
PJ Tour.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Wait, actually that actually helps make my case. PGA Tour
very republican Nascar?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Are we talking about the audience base? The players are
both the player the leagues, the players like the idea,
the general ideology of the players.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yes, all right, yes, so people with a lot of
money usually he like to be conservative.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I would say, yeah, but that it's not an NBA players.
I mean players have a lot of money and generally
it's a very sort of liberal league if you will,
and I would say football it it does probably go
by position. It's probably probably split, to be honest with you. So,
but but the point is that if being a being
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a like left leaning league is bad then why hasn't
NASCAR and baseball and golf seen rating spikes? They haven't.
They haven't. Again, I think we're I think we're chasing
the wrong thing in terms of popularity. I really do.
But the draft is a great sort of bat signal
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for league popularity. And the NBA draft used to be.
I don't want to say everything that the NFL draft is,
but it was a lot bigger deal than it is now.
You go back to the Pat Ewing draft obviously, you
go back to somebody draft. Heck, you even go back
to the Lebron draft in two thousand and three. Now
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a lot of it was the Jordan Arrow in the
NBA was king, And I think it's more about the
guys leaving after a year or the guys coming straight
into high school. I justd because they don't know who
they're They don't know who they are. Dan, you have
a thought.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I know I just had some information because I agree
with with some of it. But we look at a
mock draft for this year, right looking at one right now,
number one overall, Cooper Flag, two overall, Dylan Harper of Rutgers,
three overall vj Edgecomb of Baylor. Then you got kan
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Kinappel and Trey Johnson rounding out the top five. The
one and Don's in that you know, Boom boom boom
agreed the All American team for college basketball this year
jen I Broom, Walter Clayton, Junior, Cooper Flagg, Mark Sears,
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and Braden Smith. Now in nineteen ninety two, Doug the
draft was the All American team was Jimmy Jackson, Christian Lightner,
Harold Minor, Alonzo Morning, Shaquille O'Neil. The first four picks
of the draft were Shaquille O'Neil, Alonzo Mourning, Christian Lightner,
and Jimmy Jackson.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, and so so.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're drafting people now based upon potential, correct, whereas you
were drafting people then based upon production and potential. Yes, okay,
there you go, and it's it's always fasting to be people.
Do you remember again? When I say do you remember,
I'm guessing Dan remembers and if you don't, it's only
because Dan you do remember a lot more than anybody else.
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On the show, Steve Kerr penned a piece. Wow, look
at that. I I that was some great alliteration. I
think Jay Stew's probably high five of me back in
in La Steve Kirpendepiece when he was the general manager
of the Phoenix Suns, and he talked about how college basket,
that the NBA needs college basketball to have players in
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school longer, and he kind of went through a bunch
of things, and some of it was that players aren't
really emotionally or mentally ready to be pros. But a
good portion of it is that when you play in college,
it's promoting what they're going to be in the NBA.
And the longer you play in college, the more known
that you are. So I bring this to the point
I think that's the biggest reason that the NBA draft
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right now is to complete and utter dud. The story
about Ace Bailey, who was a freshman at Rutgers. He
and Dylan Harper were supposed to tear up the Big Ten.
They had a good, not great season, they didn't go
to the NCAA tournament. And now you know, with all
the Ace Bailey stories about his former AAU coach being
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his agent and what a disaster that's been, a lot
of people don't know who ayst Bailey is, right, Jay
stew I don't think you. I think you asked me
early this week, who's this Ace Bailey guy? What's the
deal with him? Whereas basketball guys like, yeah, East Bailey
is legit really really talented guy. Doesn't mean I draft him,
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but again, super talented. I know who he is because
obviously I'm a coach, I'm in that industry and covered
the sport for over twenty years. So I just think
that at some point we may have this thing shift
in the right direction because players are getting compensated at
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a crazy high level in college basketball. I mean, you're
talking about well into healthy seven figure salaries. AJ DEBANTSA.
It's rumored, right, is it six million? Is it seven million?
It's a lot of money. Now, they're the best of
the best are still going to leave because it's not
about your first contract in the NBA, it's about your
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second and your third, the likes of which no one's
ever going to get to a three hundred and four
hundred million dollar, five hundred million dollar contract in college basketball.
It just doesn't make any sense. But I wonder if
it becomes a much bigger thing with players staying around longer.
Here's Lebron James on the Mind That Game podcast talking
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about the advantage Cooper flag has going in the league
that he did not.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I personally think that he wants to be great. You know,
he got a hell of a year at Duke. Guy
that can do so many different things on the floor,
can play with the ball, can play without the ball.
You know, his jump shot is going to continue to
get better, super athletic, quick second jump. And also he
gets to join a team that's established right with Hall
of Fame guys Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Irvin right
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off the bat, Hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd. You know,
these guys are like they're going to they can give
him the whole blueprint while he continues to learn what
his blueprint will be. And I think that's gonna be
an incredible thing for him to have that type of presence,
that type of leadership, you know, just basketball IQ and
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knowledge around him every single day from those pieces. So
I think he's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I actually agree with Lebron. You know, the ability to
go to a team that's not made up of knuckleheads
or is not completely in despair is huge huge. Chet Holmgren,
of course he got hurt, but Chet Holmgren got to
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join a team where they were young, but they had
all the right kind of guys, and he silly grew
and has matured and gotten a chance to play a
big role at a young age. So many of these
number one overall picks don't get that chance. They just
do not. They play on bad teams and they develop
bad habits, and then when they finally get to a
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good team, those bad habits are hard to break. But
Cooper Flag, I mean imagine, and there's there's a hype
train for Cooper Flag. Rightfully, so he was the best
high school player in the country when he should have
been a junior in high school and said that ended
up being essentially his senior year. And so then he
goes to the he goes to college basketball, and there's
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a lot of hype around him. But imagine if he
stayed at Duke two more years. Imagine once you know
guys and you get to see him. Now the other
part to it, and maybe this is the other I'm
contradicting myself. I don't think college basketball, despite the fact
guys are getting paid now, I don't think it'll ever
be where it used to be. As a ratings cash Cow.
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There's just too many games on TV. Nothing seems special,
and the regular season really doesn't seem to matter. But
if you think that the one and done rule or
the none and done rule were for the league, I
give you the fact that now you have a potentially
transcendent player, and the draft matters so much that ninety
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five percent of the people who you talked to would
not know that the draft has a second day, and
that's a problem.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
Stug gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. Jake glazierl join
us in five minutes. Okay, so you guys have heard
this Pablo Tory and Mike Florio thing right where there's
there's these accusations. Basically they're making that the NFL owners
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colluded to limit the size of the guarantee contracts in
the NFL. This is coming in the wake of the
the Deshaun Watson contract, And I just do people know
what collusion actually means that it's an honest question. So
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collusion by definition is a secret or illegal corporation cooperation
or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
So that's what collusion is. It's an illegal cooperation or
conspiracy to cheat and deceive others. Okay, I actually there
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are parts of Poblatory as a guest is amazing. Publatory
as a host at times can be a little exhausting.
And I'll tell you why. He's way too smart to
be talking about sports, and he is searching so bad
for that, ah, gotcha that I don't. I think he's
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being disingenuous or he's frankly misusing the idea of collusion.
Collusion between NFL owners would be, hey, guys, let's everybody
keep the guarantees low. Don't tell anybody, okay, but let's
make it look like the guarantees are high, or make
it look like we just don't have the money, or
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make it look like whatever we want to make it
look like they didn't do that. You're allowed to talk
with people in your industry about what you're paying somebody.
How do I know? In my industry? As a college
basketball head coach, we absolutely talk to one another. We
don't always people don't always share the truth, but they
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absolutely talk to each other and they share ideas. Hey,
do you give him a twelve month or ten month contract?
Do you give him bonuses? How do you do it?
Do you do a tier system? Do you pay everybody
one amount? Do you pay just your stars and not
pay everybody else? Do you have fifteen spots available? Do
you have fifteen scholarships? How do you do it? All
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of those things are really interesting, and we talk amongst
each other. It is not colluding. We're not colluding working
together to keep prices down. If it's not illegal, it
is not not frowned upon. Happens in business every single day. Right,
Has anybody heard of a chamber of commerce? Okay, chamber
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of commerce? What's the chamber of commerce? Chamber of commerce
is a business network that promotes and protects the interests
of its members. Chambers of commerce will have breakfast together,
they'll be business owners. They have me here in Green Bay.
You go and you get together with a bunch of
people that own businesses, and you talk and ideas and
things that are coming to town. And oh yeah, by
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the way, you go like, hey, how much do you
guys pay for oranges? Ah, we pay like sixty cents
an orange. We pay like fifty five cents in orange. Really,
who do you go through? And then you start using
them like you know, listen, if you guys pay fifty
five cents, like I think we can get it for
fifty cents. If it's not illegal, then of course you
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do it. It's not a conspiracy. And look if you're
if NFL owners get together after Deshaun Watson's contract and say, hey, guys,
we got to stop giving it like that contract is
dumb on a multitude of levels. We got to stop. Okay,
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this is the NFL one hit can end a guy.
And when you have that kind of baggage, I don't
think people will understand exactly what it does to your
to your reputation as a team. And everybody starts talking
about can you believe they gave him that much money guaranteed?
I mean, I listen, I you do whatever you want,
but I just I think we should keep those guarantees
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as low as possible. And what the what the Browns
did hurt all of our bottom line, hurt all of
our business, creates entitlement within the players. We want hungry,
deserving players to get every penny they deserve. But this
is a very violent game. And you know if you
if you give guys all this money, there is there's
a better than average chance that they're either going to
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get hurt or they're going to change when they're making
all that money. If that is collusion, I don't think
it's you're trying to deceive anybody. You're just negotiating. Negotiating
is not deception, and talking with other people in the
same industry about your negotiations is also not aception, nor
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is it secretive, and nor is it meant to deceive.
Stuck out your show here on Fox Sports Radio Bayern.
Do you think the NFL owners colluded? Colluded? It's a
it's a big word, and Pablo likes to use big
words because he's very smart. He went to Harvard. Do
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you think they colluded based upon the information that they presented.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
No, I didn't. I didn't think of it as collusion
in that way. I think they saw what Jimmy Haslam
did and they're like, darn it. And then if they
would have waited two years. I don't think Jimmy Haslam
would have liked to have done what he did, and
maybe it would have worked it out himself in terms
of when you're giving guarantees to players. But I also
just think it's, man, it was so out of the
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ordinary for Haslam to do that. And I don't know
if it's trying to avoid setting a new precedent, but
I didn't view it as a full collusion sort of event.
I think that most owners would be like, yeah, we
don't want to give guaranteed contracts because now fully guaranteed.
Because look what happened to the Cleveland Browns. I think
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that's their evidence right now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It sounds like they got together Doug and they're like, yeah,
this is this might be bad for business still well
from miners saying it's not binding, like they they're free
to give out what kind of contracts they want. They
just got together and they're like, as a whole, this
for the owners, this might not be a good thing. Yeah,
that's just there's no collusion there. You're not actually setting
a rule in stone. You're just like, hey, look.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
At nor are you doing it to deceive it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Look at the Browns, look at how that backfired. Maybe
that's not a great thing for the league.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, Now that's my point is Hindsight's twenty twenty on
the deal you know of it, but I just I
don't think they were happy with Jimmy Haslam. I don't
think it had anything to do personally to the players.
And I know that that's kind of how the angle
takes it. But I mean, you don't think Josh Allen's
going to get all the dollars that are owed to him,
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you know, Like.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I think the guarantee contract thing is it is a
very uh It's it's the people who think that NFL
players somehow get the bad end of their contracts. It's
really silly, you know. It's like it's easily the most
violent of the three professional sports. It's easily the sport
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that you most likely you're more likely to sustain an
injury that can It may not end your career, but
it will change your trajectory of your career and shorten
your career way more often, and guys just fall off sooner.
It's just as I think it was Sam who said it.
It's just bad business, just bad business. A multi year
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guaranteed contract is bad business for most any business, right,
like once you get past two years, like I don't know,
and people forget the NBA used to have six and
seven year guaranteed contracts for max contracts. They were bad.
Too long, too.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Long, Doug, what do you make of Kyrie Irving's situation
that was just announced like yesterday, He's like sign didn't
sign a three year and then with a player option
at the end, which I don't know. Some people I
saw on Twitter were kind of had some takes on that,
but I don't know if you guys had anything.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, I mean, he's had a litany of injuries. Litany
litany of injuries. So yeah, I think it's risky. But
I also think that they're you know, you can't go
all in and trade Luca and get Anthony Davis and
then go like, eeh, you just can't run the risk
of letting him walk. Do I think it? It feels
a little bit heavy, sure, but again you had predetermined
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and went to an NBA finals.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yes, yes, yeah, this you know this is This is
the other interesting thing about it, of because I think
in the NFL, the way that things have gone, the
four year vet has been kind of squeezed out of
the league because you just or five six year vet
if you will, because you just go younger, just go
with another player that does you know, does whatever. And
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if you were to give some like a fully guaranteed
contract and you were doing it to multiple players, I
think that would even squeeze out more of your veterans. Yeah,
you know, because that money is now being allocated to
only a certain select players, you know, amount of players.
So now you're just paying everybody else on the cheap.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yep, yep, that's what you're doing, all right. Coming up
next on The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
we're gonna catch up with Jake Glazier Aaron Rodgers surprised
no one saying this is gonna be his last year? Right?
Coulda be his last year? But what are the expectations
(25:39):
that the Pittsburgh Steelers have of him in terms of
what he's got left? We'll find out from Jake Laser.
Next to The Doug Gotleib.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. The Lovable Loser at
Genius Booga tweets the show at Gottlieb Show. That's the
Twitter handle Doug. It's all collusion Swinging to miss brother.
Controlling price of goods artificially with otherwise with others as
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collective as a collective is colluding. Controlling the ability for
someone to get what they earned as a collective is collusion. Period. No,
it's not. This is not a free market. Okay again, respectfully,
I am not a lawyer, so I don't want no one,
but I do know that it is not. The NFL
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is not a free market. The NFL is collectively bargained
upon salary cap. So in other words, there's there's oversight
into there's a spending limit. There's also a spending floor.
Here's the big thing that fans are never told, never told, Sam,
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Could you use the Google machine for a second. There
was a year that there was no salary cap. Fairly recently.
I think it was two thy twelve. I know that's
not that recently. I want to say maybe twenty fourteen.
I think it was twenty twelve. If you could find
that year for me, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
The point is twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Twenty ten, okay, twenty ten, there was no salary cap.
And what happened during that no salary cap was everyone thought, well,
at least all the football guys thought, I'm gonna get paid.
There's no salary cap. Everything get paid. And what happened
the opposite. Most people were paid far less than they
normally were. And was it take it or leave it?
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And the reason was, yeah, there's a there's a there's
a ceiling to the salary cap. There's also a floor
a certain amount of money you have to spend. So
within that salary cap, your ability to generate money is limited.
And oh yeah, by the way, the NFL the idea
of oh that they paying you what you earn like, No,
those are bonuses. Your salary is based upon what they
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guess your future value will be. And because there is
no true free market and you can negotiate for you
and you don't have to sign these contracts, you don't
you don't have to sign any of them. And if
you're a free agent again, if you don't like the
percentage of your contract that's a guarantee, well then hold
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out for more, go to somebody will. The crazy part
about it is that players are making more and more
and more money, and whatever you think of the guarantees,
they're getting more and more guarantees. Despite whatever this uh.
Pablo Torres and Pablotori and his research will tell you
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so stuck Outleab show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
get to Dan Bayer at a game.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Um, Dan Barr, what do you got, Doug? The game
today is for better or worse? All right?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Variety of topics Doug for better or worse? The second
round of the draft NBA draft versus NFL draft. That's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Boy, there's some similarities there, right, because neither operating on
the same constraints as the first round for draft picks. Right,
there's the rookie scale for both the NFL and NBA draft.
I think the second round the NBA draft is better
one because obviously there's only two rounds, and two because
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it's some people believe it's better to be a second
round draft pick than being a first round draft pick
because you're gonna get out of that a lot like
the NFL you get out of that first round earlier.
But there have also it feels like there's been Yeah,
there have been many more wash out guys that barely
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and he played in the NBA, But there's been more
stars in the second round of the NBA Draft. There
have been NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Kind of going off on a bit of a tangent
here just for this topic. For Better or Worse, Doug,
the NFL draft format, the old format that you and
I and others our age knew so well, the Saturday
and Sunday of the draft versus now today's three day
affair that they have on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
The old We're gonna be old men, get off our lawn.
It used to be better than Yeah, I love that.
I mean now Saturday is a complete waste of time.
There's so much energy on Thursday. Thursday's so good, but
he makes Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Just Saturday is. Now, let's go to the South Pole
down in Antarctica where they're gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
We're a penguin is going to come announce the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're still.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
In exactly exactly, and then they show highlights from Thursday.
It was just the two day affair like that. Saturday
was long, but it was great, all right, Doug. For
Better or Worse? New team announcement Lebron James and his
decision to join the Heat versus Kevin Durant and what
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a surprise that he gets traded while on stage at
Fanatics Fest. What is better or Worse?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I actually think that lebron The announcement was better.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I agree it was a surprise.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Is that a neutral location? Yeah, I mean, I way
more memorable. And oh yeah, by the way, I'm sure
Kevin rant knew, so.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
He totally knew. He staged the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I Lebron's deal was better.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think that more players should do what Lebron did.
I thought it was great TV.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah, It's kind of been one of my stances when
they you know, what's the what's the.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
What do they say?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
What?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Jason? What is it?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
The the hell you'll die on? Is that the that
the phrase? Yeah, yeah, that's one of mine. That's one
of mine, all right? For better or worse? First overall
pick in the NBA draft, Kwame Brown versus Anthony Bennett.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Jordan took Brown to the Wizards, went to the Calves.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Kwame Brown actually had some productive years. I don't feel
like Anthony don't have had any That's correct.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Tommie Brown spent about a decade in the game as well.
It was just really nobody in that draft with Anthony Bennett.
Either Giannis was taken in that draft, so could have.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Had Oladipo was in that draft, right, I mean he
obviously accepted a bunch of injuries, but yeah, Yiannis is
the guy from that.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Draft, all right. For better or worse? Month to go
to a ball game June versus August kind of take
because I think a lot of people go to July games.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
But you're talking about baseball game. Yes, I'm gonna go
with June. August can just be so ridiculously hot. June
can be too, but not nearly as often June. June's
my answer. August can be more exciting.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I agree with Doug right, yeah, the weather wise, but
then there might be more at stake in August, or
we see playoff playoffs start to form a little.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Bit and the corn will be higher at the field
of dreamstrilled. Right, So that's another one. Yeah, that's Iowa
Sam specific. Yes, they'll be tall tall by then, it'll
be over six feet tall. I'm sure I go June
because I'll just go June with you, because August I'm
starting to get into.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Football mode a little bit.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, sure, And so that's there's the excitement of that
all right, finally for better or worse. I think of
a lot of the country can understand this temperature, heated
humidity versus bitter cold and windschill.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Heat and humidity is better or worse.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Better, better, It's not what some of my Facebook friends
have been saying. I've been saying they would take twenty below.
Then I have to deal with the heat and humidity
that has been hitting a lot of the country lately.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, do they not have airic? Interesting? Well, here's
where he means, here's where, here's this is. And again,
I've lived in Oklahoma, I've lived in now live in
Green Bay. It's it's been weird. It's very cool here today.
I've lived in in Connecticut where I can get it
can get a little musty there too. For you, especially Dan,
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if you play golf earlier, play golf late, it's nice
like it can be. You can get off if you
if you're a guy, can get off at seven in
the morning. You know, you get done at ten, ten
thirty like it's everything's it doesn't hurt and you don't
have to dress like you're in Suppland or Ireland. Yeah,
I think heat and humidity is better.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I think that the heat and humidity, you try to
do it, Like if it's twenty below, you're like, I'm
not even gonna try it's twenty below and I'm not
even gonna I'm not even gonna test it. But if
it's ninety and the humidities eighty five ninety percent, like,
oh well, let's see what And then you're like, oh,
this was a bad idea, this was this was awful.
Maybe that's the deciding line. I think more people would
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try stuff in the heat and humidity and then realize
they can and do it, and even attempt to if
the wind shills like forty.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Below your course also might be covered in snow. Yeah, yeah,
golf wise, it would not work. Nothing's really just to
do anything, to do anything period. I think you'll be like,
I'm gonna try it. I would say that the heat
humidity makes me like just more furious, just like it
draws the anger out of me. I always go back
to this, you can always add layers. When you have hot,
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heat and humidity. You can only take off so many layers.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's true. And look, I mean like if it if
it's hot and muggy in your room, I mean you
just can't sleep, you can't do anywhere it's cold. You
can get under the covers, you can warm up pretty quickly.
Like I I get it, but I'd still I think
we're talking about being outside. I would rather be warm
than hot. I've been too hot than too cold.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's game time.
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It's the Doug Ottleib Show, It's Fox Sports Radio, and
it is NBA Draft Day.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Anytime you say draft day, people think of Draft Day
the movie. You ever noticed that? And I was like, oh,
Kevin Costner, Kevin Costner, Oh you don't think of Draft
Day of the movie. That's that just Kevin? Is that
Kevin Costum? Drop? I got a good work there, Sammy,
good good, good work. If you can get it. We
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do have a lot to get to here on the show,
and I'm fired up. It's it's It's Cooper Flag's Draft Night.
That's really kind of what it is. Right. Every draft
has kind of a label. But what's what's really interesting
about Tonight's NBA Draft is you know we are getting
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fewer and fewer, like flyers on guys. Yes, there are
some freshmen that are gonna go. Obviously, you know the
two Rutgers kids, a lot of them. But you're also
getting an even older kind of back end of that
of that draft. I saw that Lebron James said something
and it's really interesting. So Lebron obviously was drafted, do
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you guys go twenty two or twenty three years ago? Today?
This is like the old stoplight thing when we were kids,
because he was drafted in two thousand and three, in
twenty twenty five, So normally you say, well, that's twenty
two years, but if you actually count the years, it's
twenty three years. Jay Stew, do you want to jump
in on this? This feels like something that you would
(02:13):
bother you when people say the wrong year.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It seems like it's unequivocally twenty two years. Am I
What am I missing? Where's the gray area there?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, it's twenty twenty three, so just do the count.
Two thousand and four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
nineteen twenty one, two three, four five that's twenty two.
You're right, I guess.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I guess it's cool, not five.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I guess it's in my mind if I count two
thousand and three, right, I.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Was count year. I was count year to year, like
twenty three to twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Buyers laugh byers laughing at me because I just I
just contradicted myself.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Well, I would just take twenty five minus three since
it's twenty twenty five twenty and two thousand and three.
But I will say this, I did see a TikTok lately,
and then I'll let you get to your point of
it was very sobering that your birthday is actually the
like the year that you just completed. Yes, So that's
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kind of the sobering thing, Like you're into like, I'm
forty eight, so now I'm kind of like in the
year forty nine, you're forty eight, and you know, one
hundred and eighty days or whatever. We have January birthday,
so we're our half birthday's next month, Doug. But it's yeah,
that was that was a little bit sobering, right, because
you don't get credit for year zero when you turn one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yes, correct, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I guess Lebron was drafted in three and he
hasn't started the twenty twenty five season yet, so you
could kind of like he hadn't started to see me
when he was drafted. No, it's what doesn't work that.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Way, No, because it's we're just talking about the drafts,
the actual drafts.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, let's get back, can I can I just ask? Honestly? No,
I don't want to start the show over.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I probably should like the TBS five after the hour,
it's the Doug Gottlieb should right three or five Eastern.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
No, I don't like, we don't fake it here, right,
Like none of it is like feigned excitement. And I
think Cooper Flag's really really good. I think there's some
talented guys in this draft. But it's really weird on
how this event has become a I just really don't
care event, and then they made it into a two
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day event. And here's how much people don't care? What
percentage of people do you think? No, this is a
two day event. I'm gonna go like ten percent? What
do you think by it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I know I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, Like Sam, you equivalently, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't know, Yeah, because like I just the NBA
Draft just doesn't get a lot of attention. It's not
the event that the NFL Draft is not even close.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, no, I don't think anybody argues that it did
used to be. It did used to be. That's the
weird part about it, right, Like the am I with
and I would also I actually thought a lot about this.
These are the thoughts that I have when I'm traveling
or I should be sleeping and I'm not is I
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was thinking about the pushback over this thought, and I
think Jay Stu has a little bit of the thought
that one of the reasons that people are turned off
by the NBA is the political stance of it of
some of their players. Is that fair? J Stew do
you think that's a portion of why some people you
believe are turned off by the NBA.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think that if you wanted to make a pie chart,
a pie chart of why people aren't paying attention to
the NBA, they're the political stances since twenty twenty is
a portion of it. I don't know what percentage.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I guess if that were true, and if political stances
on one side, and maybe maybe baseball players aren't as
pronounced in their stances. But baseball, baseball, I believe, is
probably the most republican sport, are you? Does anybody want
to argue with that one? Right? In terms of the
American born players it is. I would say it's the
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most like republican.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Sports in team sports.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yes, okay, you okay with that.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I don't have any opinion on it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But chasing so nothing talking about NASCAR, right, this is
just the three majors.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
It's honestly, PGA Tour is pretty right, okay, publican right,
PJ Tour.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Wait, actually that actually helps make my case. PGA Tour
very republican Nascar?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Are we talking about the audience base? The players are
both the player the leagues, the players like the idea,
the general ideology of the players.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yes, all right, yes, so people with a lot of
money usually he like to be conservative.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I would say, yeah, but that it's not an NBA players.
I mean players have a lot of money and generally
it's a very sort of liberal league if you will,
and I would say football it it does probably go
by position. It's probably probably split, to be honest with you. So,
but but the point is that if being a being
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a like left leaning league is bad then why hasn't
NASCAR and baseball and golf seen rating spikes? They haven't.
They haven't. Again, I think we're I think we're chasing
the wrong thing in terms of popularity. I really do.
But the draft is a great sort of bat signal
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for league popularity. And the NBA draft used to be.
I don't want to say everything that the NFL draft is,
but it was a lot bigger deal than it is now.
You go back to the Pat Ewing draft obviously, you
go back to somebody draft. Heck, you even go back
to the Lebron draft in two thousand and three. Now
(08:04):
a lot of it was the Jordan Arrow in the
NBA was king, And I think it's more about the
guys leaving after a year or the guys coming straight
into high school. I justd because they don't know who
they're They don't know who they are. Dan, you have
a thought.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I know I just had some information because I agree
with with some of it. But we look at a
mock draft for this year, right looking at one right now,
number one overall, Cooper Flag, two overall, Dylan Harper of Rutgers,
three overall vj Edgecomb of Baylor. Then you got kan
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Kinappel and Trey Johnson rounding out the top five. The
one and Don's in that you know, Boom boom boom
agreed the All American team for college basketball this year
jen I Broom, Walter Clayton, Junior, Cooper Flagg, Mark Sears,
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and Braden Smith. Now in nineteen ninety two, Doug the
draft was the All American team was Jimmy Jackson, Christian Lightner,
Harold Minor, Alonzo Morning, Shaquille O'Neil. The first four picks
of the draft were Shaquille O'Neil, Alonzo Mourning, Christian Lightner,
and Jimmy Jackson.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, and so so.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're drafting people now based upon potential, correct, whereas you
were drafting people then based upon production and potential. Yes, okay,
there you go, and it's it's always fasting to be people.
Do you remember again? When I say do you remember,
I'm guessing Dan remembers and if you don't, it's only
because Dan you do remember a lot more than anybody else.
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On the show, Steve Kerr penned a piece. Wow, look
at that. I I that was some great alliteration. I
think Jay Stew's probably high five of me back in
in La Steve Kirpendepiece when he was the general manager
of the Phoenix Suns, and he talked about how college basket,
that the NBA needs college basketball to have players in
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school longer, and he kind of went through a bunch
of things, and some of it was that players aren't
really emotionally or mentally ready to be pros. But a
good portion of it is that when you play in college,
it's promoting what they're going to be in the NBA.
And the longer you play in college, the more known
that you are. So I bring this to the point
I think that's the biggest reason that the NBA draft
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right now is to complete and utter dud. The story
about Ace Bailey, who was a freshman at Rutgers. He
and Dylan Harper were supposed to tear up the Big Ten.
They had a good, not great season, they didn't go
to the NCAA tournament. And now you know, with all
the Ace Bailey stories about his former AAU coach being
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his agent and what a disaster that's been, a lot
of people don't know who ayst Bailey is, right, Jay
stew I don't think you. I think you asked me
early this week, who's this Ace Bailey guy? What's the
deal with him? Whereas basketball guys like, yeah, East Bailey
is legit really really talented guy. Doesn't mean I draft him,
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but again, super talented. I know who he is because
obviously I'm a coach, I'm in that industry and covered
the sport for over twenty years. So I just think
that at some point we may have this thing shift
in the right direction because players are getting compensated at
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a crazy high level in college basketball. I mean, you're
talking about well into healthy seven figure salaries. AJ DEBANTSA.
It's rumored, right, is it six million? Is it seven million?
It's a lot of money. Now, they're the best of
the best are still going to leave because it's not
about your first contract in the NBA, it's about your
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second and your third, the likes of which no one's
ever going to get to a three hundred and four
hundred million dollar, five hundred million dollar contract in college basketball.
It just doesn't make any sense. But I wonder if
it becomes a much bigger thing with players staying around longer.
Here's Lebron James on the Mind That Game podcast talking
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about the advantage Cooper flag has going in the league
that he did not.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
I personally think that he wants to be great. You know,
he got a hell of a year at Duke. Guy
that can do so many different things on the floor,
can play with the ball, can play without the ball.
You know, his jump shot is going to continue to
get better, super athletic, quick second jump. And also he
gets to join a team that's established right with Hall
of Fame guys Klay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Irvin right
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off the bat, Hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd. You know,
these guys are like they're going to they can give
him the whole blueprint while he continues to learn what
his blueprint will be. And I think that's gonna be
an incredible thing for him to have that type of presence,
that type of leadership, you know, just basketball IQ and
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knowledge around him every single day from those pieces. So
I think he's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I actually agree with Lebron. You know, the ability to
go to a team that's not made up of knuckleheads
or is not completely in despair is huge huge. Chet Holmgren,
of course he got hurt, but Chet Holmgren got to
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join a team where they were young, but they had
all the right kind of guys, and he silly grew
and has matured and gotten a chance to play a
big role at a young age. So many of these
number one overall picks don't get that chance. They just
do not. They play on bad teams and they develop
bad habits, and then when they finally get to a
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good team, those bad habits are hard to break. But
Cooper Flag, I mean imagine, and there's there's a hype
train for Cooper Flag. Rightfully, so he was the best
high school player in the country when he should have
been a junior in high school and said that ended
up being essentially his senior year. And so then he
goes to the he goes to college basketball, and there's
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a lot of hype around him. But imagine if he
stayed at Duke two more years. Imagine once you know
guys and you get to see him. Now the other
part to it, and maybe this is the other I'm
contradicting myself. I don't think college basketball, despite the fact
guys are getting paid now, I don't think it'll ever
be where it used to be. As a ratings cash Cow.
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There's just too many games on TV. Nothing seems special,
and the regular season really doesn't seem to matter. But
if you think that the one and done rule or
the none and done rule were for the league, I
give you the fact that now you have a potentially
transcendent player, and the draft matters so much that ninety
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five percent of the people who you talked to would
not know that the draft has a second day, and
that's a problem.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
Stug gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. Jake glazierl join
us in five minutes. Okay, so you guys have heard
this Pablo Tory and Mike Florio thing right where there's
there's these accusations. Basically they're making that the NFL owners
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colluded to limit the size of the guarantee contracts in
the NFL. This is coming in the wake of the
the Deshaun Watson contract, And I just do people know
what collusion actually means that it's an honest question. So
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collusion by definition is a secret or illegal corporation cooperation
or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
So that's what collusion is. It's an illegal cooperation or
conspiracy to cheat and deceive others. Okay, I actually there
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are parts of Poblatory as a guest is amazing. Publatory
as a host at times can be a little exhausting.
And I'll tell you why. He's way too smart to
be talking about sports, and he is searching so bad
for that, ah, gotcha that I don't. I think he's
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being disingenuous or he's frankly misusing the idea of collusion.
Collusion between NFL owners would be, hey, guys, let's everybody
keep the guarantees low. Don't tell anybody, okay, but let's
make it look like the guarantees are high, or make
it look like we just don't have the money, or
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make it look like whatever we want to make it
look like they didn't do that. You're allowed to talk
with people in your industry about what you're paying somebody.
How do I know? In my industry? As a college
basketball head coach, we absolutely talk to one another. We
don't always people don't always share the truth, but they
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absolutely talk to each other and they share ideas. Hey,
do you give him a twelve month or ten month contract?
Do you give him bonuses? How do you do it?
Do you do a tier system? Do you pay everybody
one amount? Do you pay just your stars and not
pay everybody else? Do you have fifteen spots available? Do
you have fifteen scholarships? How do you do it? All
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of those things are really interesting, and we talk amongst
each other. It is not colluding. We're not colluding working
together to keep prices down. If it's not illegal, it
is not not frowned upon. Happens in business every single day. Right,
Has anybody heard of a chamber of commerce? Okay, chamber
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of commerce? What's the chamber of commerce? Chamber of commerce
is a business network that promotes and protects the interests
of its members. Chambers of commerce will have breakfast together,
they'll be business owners. They have me here in Green Bay.
You go and you get together with a bunch of
people that own businesses, and you talk and ideas and
things that are coming to town. And oh yeah, by
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the way, you go like, hey, how much do you
guys pay for oranges? Ah, we pay like sixty cents
an orange. We pay like fifty five cents in orange. Really,
who do you go through? And then you start using
them like you know, listen, if you guys pay fifty
five cents, like I think we can get it for
fifty cents. If it's not illegal, then of course you
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do it. It's not a conspiracy. And look if you're
if NFL owners get together after Deshaun Watson's contract and say, hey, guys,
we got to stop giving it like that contract is
dumb on a multitude of levels. We got to stop. Okay,
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this is the NFL one hit can end a guy.
And when you have that kind of baggage, I don't
think people will understand exactly what it does to your
to your reputation as a team. And everybody starts talking
about can you believe they gave him that much money guaranteed?
I mean, I listen, I you do whatever you want,
but I just I think we should keep those guarantees
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as low as possible. And what the what the Browns
did hurt all of our bottom line, hurt all of
our business, creates entitlement within the players. We want hungry,
deserving players to get every penny they deserve. But this
is a very violent game. And you know if you
if you give guys all this money, there is there's
a better than average chance that they're either going to
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get hurt or they're going to change when they're making
all that money. If that is collusion, I don't think
it's you're trying to deceive anybody. You're just negotiating. Negotiating
is not deception, and talking with other people in the
same industry about your negotiations is also not aception, nor
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is it secretive, and nor is it meant to deceive.
Stuck out your show here on Fox Sports Radio Bayern.
Do you think the NFL owners colluded? Colluded? It's a
it's a big word, and Pablo likes to use big
words because he's very smart. He went to Harvard. Do
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you think they colluded based upon the information that they presented.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
No, I didn't. I didn't think of it as collusion
in that way. I think they saw what Jimmy Haslam
did and they're like, darn it. And then if they
would have waited two years. I don't think Jimmy Haslam
would have liked to have done what he did, and
maybe it would have worked it out himself in terms
of when you're giving guarantees to players. But I also
just think it's, man, it was so out of the
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ordinary for Haslam to do that. And I don't know
if it's trying to avoid setting a new precedent, but
I didn't view it as a full collusion sort of event.
I think that most owners would be like, yeah, we
don't want to give guaranteed contracts because now fully guaranteed.
Because look what happened to the Cleveland Browns. I think
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that's their evidence right now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It sounds like they got together Doug and they're like, yeah,
this is this might be bad for business still well
from miners saying it's not binding, like they they're free
to give out what kind of contracts they want. They
just got together and they're like, as a whole, this
for the owners, this might not be a good thing. Yeah,
that's just there's no collusion there. You're not actually setting
a rule in stone. You're just like, hey, look.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
At nor are you doing it to deceive it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Look at the Browns, look at how that backfired. Maybe
that's not a great thing for the league.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, Now that's my point is Hindsight's twenty twenty on
the deal you know of it, but I just I
don't think they were happy with Jimmy Haslam. I don't
think it had anything to do personally to the players.
And I know that that's kind of how the angle
takes it. But I mean, you don't think Josh Allen's
going to get all the dollars that are owed to him,
(22:46):
you know, Like.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I think the guarantee contract thing is it is a
very uh It's it's the people who think that NFL
players somehow get the bad end of their contracts. It's
really silly, you know. It's like it's easily the most
violent of the three professional sports. It's easily the sport
(23:12):
that you most likely you're more likely to sustain an
injury that can It may not end your career, but
it will change your trajectory of your career and shorten
your career way more often, and guys just fall off sooner.
It's just as I think it was Sam who said it.
It's just bad business, just bad business. A multi year
(23:36):
guaranteed contract is bad business for most any business, right,
like once you get past two years, like I don't know,
and people forget the NBA used to have six and
seven year guaranteed contracts for max contracts. They were bad.
Too long, too.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Long, Doug, what do you make of Kyrie Irving's situation
that was just announced like yesterday, He's like sign didn't
sign a three year and then with a player option
at the end, which I don't know. Some people I
saw on Twitter were kind of had some takes on that,
but I don't know if you guys had anything.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, I mean, he's had a litany of injuries. Litany
litany of injuries. So yeah, I think it's risky. But
I also think that they're you know, you can't go
all in and trade Luca and get Anthony Davis and
then go like, eeh, you just can't run the risk
of letting him walk. Do I think it? It feels
a little bit heavy, sure, but again you had predetermined
(24:33):
and went to an NBA finals.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yes, yes, yeah, this you know this is This is
the other interesting thing about it, of because I think
in the NFL, the way that things have gone, the
four year vet has been kind of squeezed out of
the league because you just or five six year vet
if you will, because you just go younger, just go
with another player that does you know, does whatever. And
(24:59):
if you were to give some like a fully guaranteed
contract and you were doing it to multiple players, I
think that would even squeeze out more of your veterans. Yeah,
you know, because that money is now being allocated to
only a certain select players, you know, amount of players.
So now you're just paying everybody else on the cheap.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yep, yep, that's what you're doing, all right. Coming up
next on The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
we're gonna catch up with Jake Glazier Aaron Rodgers surprised
no one saying this is gonna be his last year? Right?
Coulda be his last year? But what are the expectations
(25:39):
that the Pittsburgh Steelers have of him in terms of
what he's got left? We'll find out from Jake Laser.
Next to The Doug Gotleib.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Show, be sure to catch the live edition of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. The Lovable Loser at
Genius Booga tweets the show at Gottlieb Show. That's the
Twitter handle Doug. It's all collusion Swinging to miss brother.
Controlling price of goods artificially with otherwise with others as
(26:15):
collective as a collective is colluding. Controlling the ability for
someone to get what they earned as a collective is collusion. Period. No,
it's not. This is not a free market. Okay again, respectfully,
I am not a lawyer, so I don't want no one,
but I do know that it is not. The NFL
(26:35):
is not a free market. The NFL is collectively bargained
upon salary cap. So in other words, there's there's oversight
into there's a spending limit. There's also a spending floor.
Here's the big thing that fans are never told, never told, Sam,
(26:58):
Could you use the Google machine for a second. There
was a year that there was no salary cap. Fairly recently.
I think it was two thy twelve. I know that's
not that recently. I want to say maybe twenty fourteen.
I think it was twenty twelve. If you could find
that year for me, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
The point is twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Twenty ten, okay, twenty ten, there was no salary cap.
And what happened during that no salary cap was everyone thought, well,
at least all the football guys thought, I'm gonna get paid.
There's no salary cap. Everything get paid. And what happened
the opposite. Most people were paid far less than they
normally were. And was it take it or leave it?
(27:39):
And the reason was, yeah, there's a there's a there's
a ceiling to the salary cap. There's also a floor
a certain amount of money you have to spend. So
within that salary cap, your ability to generate money is limited.
And oh yeah, by the way, the NFL the idea
of oh that they paying you what you earn like, No,
those are bonuses. Your salary is based upon what they
(28:03):
guess your future value will be. And because there is
no true free market and you can negotiate for you
and you don't have to sign these contracts, you don't
you don't have to sign any of them. And if
you're a free agent again, if you don't like the
percentage of your contract that's a guarantee, well then hold
(28:26):
out for more, go to somebody will. The crazy part
about it is that players are making more and more
and more money, and whatever you think of the guarantees,
they're getting more and more guarantees. Despite whatever this uh.
Pablo Torres and Pablotori and his research will tell you
(28:50):
so stuck Outleab show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
get to Dan Bayer at a game.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Um, Dan Barr, what do you got, Doug? The game
today is for better or worse? All right?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Variety of topics Doug for better or worse? The second
round of the draft NBA draft versus NFL draft. That's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Boy, there's some similarities there, right, because neither operating on
the same constraints as the first round for draft picks. Right,
there's the rookie scale for both the NFL and NBA draft.
I think the second round the NBA draft is better
one because obviously there's only two rounds, and two because
(30:07):
it's some people believe it's better to be a second
round draft pick than being a first round draft pick
because you're gonna get out of that a lot like
the NFL you get out of that first round earlier.
But there have also it feels like there's been Yeah,
there have been many more wash out guys that barely
(30:27):
and he played in the NBA, But there's been more
stars in the second round of the NBA Draft. There
have been NFL Draft.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Kind of going off on a bit of a tangent
here just for this topic. For Better or Worse, Doug,
the NFL draft format, the old format that you and
I and others our age knew so well, the Saturday
and Sunday of the draft versus now today's three day
affair that they have on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
The old We're gonna be old men, get off our lawn.
It used to be better than Yeah, I love that.
I mean now Saturday is a complete waste of time.
There's so much energy on Thursday. Thursday's so good, but
he makes Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Just Saturday is. Now, let's go to the South Pole
down in Antarctica where they're gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
We're a penguin is going to come announce the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're still.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
In exactly exactly, and then they show highlights from Thursday.
It was just the two day affair like that. Saturday
was long, but it was great, all right, Doug. For
Better or Worse? New team announcement Lebron James and his
decision to join the Heat versus Kevin Durant and what
(31:48):
a surprise that he gets traded while on stage at
Fanatics Fest. What is better or Worse?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I actually think that lebron The announcement was better.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I agree it was a surprise.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Is that a neutral location? Yeah, I mean, I way
more memorable. And oh yeah, by the way, I'm sure
Kevin rant knew, so.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
He totally knew. He staged the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I Lebron's deal was better.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think that more players should do what Lebron did.
I thought it was great TV.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah, It's kind of been one of my stances when
they you know, what's the what's the.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
What do they say?
Speaker 6 (32:35):
What?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Jason? What is it?
Speaker 5 (32:36):
The the hell you'll die on? Is that the that
the phrase? Yeah, yeah, that's one of mine. That's one
of mine, all right? For better or worse? First overall
pick in the NBA draft, Kwame Brown versus Anthony Bennett.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Jordan took Brown to the Wizards, went to the Calves.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Kwame Brown actually had some productive years. I don't feel
like Anthony don't have had any That's correct.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Tommie Brown spent about a decade in the game as well.
It was just really nobody in that draft with Anthony Bennett.
Either Giannis was taken in that draft, so could have.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Had Oladipo was in that draft, right, I mean he
obviously accepted a bunch of injuries, but yeah, Yiannis is
the guy from that.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Draft, all right. For better or worse? Month to go
to a ball game June versus August kind of take
because I think a lot of people go to July games.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
But you're talking about baseball game. Yes, I'm gonna go
with June. August can just be so ridiculously hot. June
can be too, but not nearly as often June. June's
my answer. August can be more exciting.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I agree with Doug right, yeah, the weather wise, but
then there might be more at stake in August, or
we see playoff playoffs start to form a little.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Bit and the corn will be higher at the field
of dreamstrilled. Right, So that's another one. Yeah, that's Iowa
Sam specific. Yes, they'll be tall tall by then, it'll
be over six feet tall. I'm sure I go June
because I'll just go June with you, because August I'm
starting to get into.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Football mode a little bit.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, sure, And so that's there's the excitement of that
all right, finally for better or worse. I think of
a lot of the country can understand this temperature, heated
humidity versus bitter cold and windschill.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Heat and humidity is better or worse.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Better, better, It's not what some of my Facebook friends
have been saying. I've been saying they would take twenty below.
Then I have to deal with the heat and humidity
that has been hitting a lot of the country lately.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, do they not have airic? Interesting? Well, here's
where he means, here's where, here's this is. And again,
I've lived in Oklahoma, I've lived in now live in
Green Bay. It's it's been weird. It's very cool here today.
I've lived in in Connecticut where I can get it
can get a little musty there too. For you, especially Dan,
(35:13):
if you play golf earlier, play golf late, it's nice
like it can be. You can get off if you
if you're a guy, can get off at seven in
the morning. You know, you get done at ten, ten
thirty like it's everything's it doesn't hurt and you don't
have to dress like you're in Suppland or Ireland. Yeah,
I think heat and humidity is better.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I think that the heat and humidity, you try to
do it, Like if it's twenty below, you're like, I'm
not even gonna try it's twenty below and I'm not
even gonna I'm not even gonna test it. But if
it's ninety and the humidities eighty five ninety percent, like,
oh well, let's see what And then you're like, oh,
this was a bad idea, this was this was awful.
Maybe that's the deciding line. I think more people would
(35:57):
try stuff in the heat and humidity and then realize
they can and do it, and even attempt to if
the wind shills like forty.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Below your course also might be covered in snow. Yeah, yeah,
golf wise, it would not work. Nothing's really just to
do anything, to do anything period. I think you'll be like,
I'm gonna try it. I would say that the heat
humidity makes me like just more furious, just like it
draws the anger out of me. I always go back
to this, you can always add layers. When you have hot,
(36:23):
heat and humidity. You can only take off so many layers.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's true. And look, I mean like if it if
it's hot and muggy in your room, I mean you
just can't sleep, you can't do anywhere it's cold. You
can get under the covers, you can warm up pretty quickly.
Like I I get it, but I'd still I think
we're talking about being outside. I would rather be warm
than hot. I've been too hot than too cold.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's game time.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
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Speaker 1 (36:53):
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