July 25, 2017 • 41 mins
Doug explains why the Kyrie Irving/LeBron James feud has been something that has been brewing for a long time. 3 Time Super Bowl Champion Mark Schlereth stops by and explains what impact a new study on CTE will have on the NFL. Also, Doug discusses why Celtics HC Brad Stevens pulled off Inception in his recruitment of F Gordon Hayward. Plus you don’t want to miss former NBA All Star Kenyon Martin’s reaction to Irving’s trade demands.
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right with without further ado, we will get to the
New York Times report on research being done on CTE studies.
While the numbers may not in reality when a scientific
study has actually done, may not be as bad as
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they appear to be, they're definitely not good. And football,
Guy that football doesn't cause brain damage. Guy is starting
to be smoking doesn't kill Guy, that's what you're starting
to be. And new helmet guy is uh filtered cigarette guy.
We'll get to that. Upcoming three times Super Bowl champion
Mark Schlareth will join us for about twenty minutes. We'll
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talk about players holding out as a Dwayne Brown holding
out first holdout of the season so far with the
Houston Texans, what we what, what our thoughts should be
on the Dallas Cowboys, and the litany of of a
thousand the thousand little cuts of what's going on with
different players as well as the CT findings and what
it means to former, current and future players in the
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National Football League. But the story of the day, the
story and sports continues to be Kyrie Irving and Lebron James,
the divorce which appears to be imminent. Look, there are
things that I will I say on this show that
you will hear me repeat over and over again, right,
And it's because if I make them a cliche, it's
they are. They might be cliche, but cliches tend to
be true more often when the going gets tough, the
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tough do get going. You do actually need a Rabbi
in the room. You need somebody who believes in you.
In your skill set. There are no more secrets, only
fact suitors are yet to be revealed. Right, Just the
truth is out there and we have more. We have
a greater ability to gain it now than we ever did.
You can't fool players, You just can't. No one goes
to get a second opinion after good news. There's never
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been a guy who's like Mr Gottlieb, you don't have cancer. Sorry, doc,
I gotta go get a second opinion. Um. And whether
it's Genie out of a bottle or once you to
visit visit the divorce attorney and start talking about breaking
up assets, it's not a marriage that's going to last
the test of time. Remember Kyrie Irving talking with ownership,
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especially when ownership did not have a general manager, about
his future and saying that he wanted to be traded.
Is different than if you want to say married, married
couple going to therapy. Right. This is not let's talk
it out. This is not Kevin Love a couple of
years ago trying to break bread with Lebron James after
the first year so that he could get in all
the photos. This is Kyrie. Everything's saying I've been here,
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we want a Championship. I'm good check please. This is
justin Timberlake saying and Cink is awesome, but I want
to go solo. That's what this is. And whether it's
being in a boy band, whether it's being in the
Bronze band, just gauge the reaction that you've heard or
you've read on Twitter. How many people said, look, honestly, Cowherd.
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Every day he's talking about these are first world problems,
like people complaining about the line at Starbucks. By the way, Cowherd,
like in the Kyrie wanting out of playing with lebron
from the line, like first world problems, the line being
too long a Starbucks. I should point out that most
of America hate the line at Starbucks. You know what
they did mobile ordering and it works fantastically. Cuts out
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the interpersonal communication, which is one of the reasons that
Starbucks kind of exists as the third place home and work,
but still it Starbucks saw that it was a problem,
knew that their customers were upset and made an adjustment,
and the cabs have been slow to adjust and so
now Kyrie wants out. But if you just gauge people's
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um feelings, they will almost all say This is a
sign of immaturity from Kyrie Irving. How could he possibly
how could he split tens? You gotta winning hand? Why
would you not want to play with It's it's it's
a parallel to the reason Kyrie likely wants out anyway.
And something I've been telling you going back to the
NBA Finals and through till last week when I was
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hosting the Herd stud Gotli show Fox Sports Radio, I've
told you that Lebron James is great. I am not
disputing the fact that Lebron James is an amazing basketball player.
Right and he while he there's not maybe not that
doesn't do anything great, he does everything good. Like he's
not a great three point shooter, but he's become a
pretty good three point shooter you leave open. He's not
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the greatest pass we've ever seen. He's not Stock Ting's not.
Mark Jackson is not he's not Steve Nash doesn't have
that kind of He's not magic. He's not. Larry Bird
is a pastor, but for all the other things he does,
it's a very good pastor and a willing pass. He's
not a great post up player, but he scored something
the post a right he does everything. He's not a
great man a man defense player, but for a guy
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that can guard multiple positions, he can guard all of
them pretty well. Like that's he's a jack of all
trades and a master of I guess some. He never
gets hurt and rarely gets tired, and he's lifted his
teams to higher levels. But what's happened is now what
Kyrie doesn't make anybody better? Really, Like we didn't pay
attention to the fact that Kyrie Irving waking up, going
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back to two years ago in the NBA Finals is
one of the things that turned around that series. That
Kyrie actually he hit the game winning shot. He was
the go to offensive player down the stretch. Or here's
the between the narrative of people being negative about Kyrie
leaving or just a simple it's just a simple idea.
Kyrie Irving was twenty four years old. This season had
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far and away his best season as a pro. Average
more points shot, a career high field goal percentage the
second highest, and three point percentage, but a high bunch
higher volume of three pointers shot from the freezer line,
and was about a two to one assistant turnover ratio.
He's not a great assist guy for a lead Guarden
more of a scoring guard who wasn't one of the
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first three teams All NBA, whereas Steph Curry likely based
upon reputation, who did not have a great season until
the end of the year when Kevin Durant was out,
was the first three All NBA teams. Same thing for
Draymond Green. So, whether it's you want your name in
billboard lights and want the headlines, which appears to be
some of it, whether it's how heavy it is to
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go to work in the pressure of having to perform
when things go wrong it's always your fault, or just
if you look at the overall narrative of Kyrie does
not help them when Lebron does, and when Kyrie wants
to leave, it's all on Kyrie, don't you Like, don't
you kind of get the idea of why a guy
might want to leave and then the idea that we
don't know where Lebron is even gonna be there next year, Like, well,
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then he would have a team to set himself, but
that's not really what he wants. He wants to be
the lead dog on a good team in a place
he wants to live in place he wants to go
to work. And this idea that it just happened not true.
I've been brewing for a long time. Here's Chauncey Billips
on Altitude Radio member Chauncey Bill was supposed to be
the general manager? Why didn't he take the job? What
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was leaked? Were they low baldom? Well, lowbaldom. But for
a guy who's never worked in an NBA front office
to get offered the general manager position of a team
that's reached three straight NBA finals seems like a pretty
good gig. Here's Chauncey as to what he knew was
going on, which we've just learned about. It didn't really
surprise me. Um, Obviously I knew, you know, as they
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were doing their due diligence on me, I was doing
the same things. Obviously I knew. I knew UM so
much about the situation that that, you know, the rest
of the world doesn't know. Um. But that's unfortunate, man,
because he's a he's a special talent, and uh, you know,
and in my opinion, you know, so much of what
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he's been able to accomplish on and off the floor
has been He's been a beneficiary of having Lebron James man,
that would be alarming to me if I was a
team looking to get him. Yeah, well listen, that would
be alarming for Chauncey Billis. But what Chauncey Bills again
is saying, is what Kyrie feels like a young people
feel this all the time. Hey, why do you have
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to qualify all of my success with It's only come
with Lebron James. Nobody says I'm just a great player. Like,
like I think, if you break down the different players,
like Russell Westbrook's probably the best athlete who can give
you the most at both ends, even though he's inefficient
and hard to play with. Uh, he plays incredibly hard
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and the effort, the athleticism. I mean, he's different than Kyrie,
who's the best one on one score. Is different than
Steph Curry, who's the best shooter of the bunch. Is
different than James Harden, who doesn't bring much of anything
at the defensive end, but is a really difficult and
different matchup than Kyrie. Is. Like, they're all kind of different,
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and they're all really really good, But our evaluation that
Kyrie is somehow below those guys kind of makes Kyrie's point,
And even if he's wrong, isn't that kind of the
American spirit of you know what, I'm not just gonna
tell you that I'm at those guys level. Give me
the chance to have my own team, and I'll show
you that I'm at those guys level. So I'm not
sitting here telling you I'm solely on team Kyrie. But
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this has been brewing for a long time, and I
get it right, don't you kind of get it? Everyone
is qualifying everything Kyrie has ever done with, Well, it
didn't happen until he had le Bron James, which is true.
On the other hand, he also wasn't healthy. On the
other hand, it was also a dysfunctional organization, poorly coached team.
They changed the coaches, they changed the culture, and they
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added veteran players to go along with Kyrie, who was
finally healthy. So Kyrie's like, why does everybody have to
qualify it? This happens in bands all the time, happens
in business all the time, and now it's happening in sports.
I want my own team, I want my own band.
I want my name in headlights. When headlights headlights are
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on a car, mark on the marquee. I was not
a role, right is it over? When the Germans Bob
Pearl Harbor, it's animal house. If you're not old enough
to remember that, I kind of get it, because every
comment I have heard is about Kyrie somehow having some
sort of failure, Kyrie's ego not being in check. Kyrie, Kyrie, Kyrie,
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and he can't measure up to Lebron, which is kind
of Kyrie's point. I want to show you. I want
to show you. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Let's turn to football, uh for for a
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for a time? As new Fox Sports and Fox Sports
one analyst for the National Football League, three times Super
Bowl champion, and the second strongest maybe even third strongest
man his own family. You should see the pictures of
his pops, his dad seventies seven years old. I mean,
and he looks he looks like he could compete in
like an iron man. I mean, he's just a stud.
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Mark Slaith is not as big as stud, but was
a stud in the football field, and he joins us
on the Doug gotleip show stank. How are you? I'm
good dog? How are you doing on my friend right
to do that picture? Your dad is super super impressive,
you know what, He's a freak show. I know. I
know this about you know, people talk about the hard
work and there's nobody that worked any harder and all
that kind of stuff. But I want the genetic lottery,
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and I make no bones about it, you know what.
And I'm not gonna apologize for it because my dad's
a free show. Okay. So I want to ask you
about this new study from the Journal of American the
Journey of American Medical Association, which was at least today.
They studied two d two former football players of home
that they studied. There's no control group. Had CT a
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hundred and ten of a hundred and eleven former NFL
players whose brains were donated to research. And you probably
only donate your brain to research if you felt like
something was not performing optimally with your brain. Had CT
as a former uh and if a longtime NFL player
you had was the twenty nine surgeries? That what you had?
I mean something crazy, okay, twenty nine surgeries, but those
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are on your knees, none in your head. What's your
reaction to to these findings. I'm not surprised at all,
not shocked by that whatsoever. If you played football all
and you know, I don't mean to be this is
not for shock value, but if you played football at
any level, you've done brain damage to yourself. It's just
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the way it is. I mean, you can't repeatedly slam
your head into other people's heads and think that there's
gonna be no long standing, you know, issues from doing that.
So I think it's part and parcel of playing the
game that if you played for any length of time, UM,
at pretty much any level, you know, starting it, let's
call it high school, you've done a certain amount of
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brain damage, some more than others. But I just think
there's no getting around the fact that that is. That's
you know, it's factual. That's what's going to happen to you.
There's no questions, no ifs, hands or butts about that.
How does this affect the future of football? Well, I
certainly think you know, it will affect um. It will
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affect the people that that have choices um or that
feel like they're in a position to have choices, you
know what money does for you is it gives you
the opportunity to make a choice. And I think what
you'll see is people from affluent families basically forbidding their
kids to play. And I think you'll see a lot
of that. Now. There are some that that will continue
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to play, but I think there's no question that there
will be a faction of society that will no longer
allow their kids to play. Some people see it as
a way out and they will continue to play. UM.
You know, I think it has a lot to do
with economics and and where you come from. UM met
personally with this information, what I let my own kids
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play norn, right, I would um And I'm a believer that, yeah,
you've done a certain amount of brain damage. And I've
done a certain amount of brain damage to myself. I mean,
there was not a game that I played in Doug
Why I didn't at least see stars one time or
knock myself out where it was just even for a
split second where I blacked out and kind of woke
up on the ground And I probably started, you know
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with preseason and playoff games and everything a hundred games.
So there's no question I've done plenty of brain damage.
I also happen to believe that your brain has enough
connectivity and enough elasticity to overcome some of those issues
if you're using it, if you have purpose, if your
whole you know, if if your whole um identity comes
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from playing football, when that gets games from you, um,
there's gonna be depression that ensues. There's gonna be some
other things that that are going to affect you. And
I think that probably except exacerbates the issues of of
CTE and brain trauma. But the bottom line is there
will be quite a few people who choose not to
let their kids play. I, on the other hand, will
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continue to let If my kid wanted to play, that
wouldn't deter me for one second. That's the voice of Marshalairath,
Fox Sports NFL analyst joining us in the dug Otlip
Show here on Fox Sport Trader. Let's turn to the
Dallas Cowboys. So Lucky Whitehead was unlucky when he was
arrested for shy uplifting like a twinkie because it wasn't him,
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he was missed. The guy identified himself as Lucky Whitehead
and even had his I d even though it wasn't
Lucky Whitehead, but he was cut and the Cowboys are
still saying he's still cut. They're not going to resign him, um,
because of the litany of issues he had predating this.
But that's just one of the many guys that have
gotten in some form of trouble off the field for
the Dallas Cowboys. Is this just a Cowboys issue? Or
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is this Hey, look at the NFL, it's the offseason.
Guys get arrested, not that big a deal. Well, I
think there's I think there's part of that, but I
also think it happened to do with the culture that
you establish as a franchise, as an organization. You know,
it's funny the Lucky Whitehead thing. There's always a sacrificial
lamb guy that we cut to make an example in
hopes that are other guys you know, fall suits, and
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that really doesn't work. I mean, do you think if
you're trying to keep Lucky Whitehead off your team? He
was marginal. He was probably gonna, you know, be a
you know, a last cut type of guy anyhow. But
the bottom line, if you think Zeke Elliott is going
to get the message that hey, we've got lucky whitehead.
We do it to you to come on. If seek Elliott,
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you know, steals a twinkie, do you think they're gonna
you think they're gonna cut him or reprimand him or
anything else. No, absolutely not. And you know there's a
lot of people that hit me up on Twitter and say, well,
they're all allegations, right, None of this stuff has proven.
Whether it's domestic violence or whether the guy you know,
whether he's knocked him out in the ball or whatever.
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It's all allegations. Nothing has been proven. And my response
to that is, everywhere you go, if it smells like
a turd, you might want to check your own pants
because it might be you. You're the one that might
laid that turd in your pants. So the bottom line
with him is you you have got to clean your
act up, and you've got to understand that you are
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a target. And then people are looking at you, and
people got cell phones with cameras on them, and that's
just the way that goes. But further to further the
point of the Dallas Cowboys, and I think that's an
important point. You know, I do a lot of landscaping.
Does you know I have my man one A one channel,
and I'd like to be out there doing all that stuff.
Here's the bottom line. When you're landscaping, you gotta irrigate.
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And I know this about water. Water is the same
kind of um. It's very it's very I liken it
to culture and water. See water. When you irrigate your yard,
water will follow the path of least resistance. And if
you're not establishing culture, culture follows the path of least resistance.
And if the culture in your organization is hey, you
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don't have to listen to the head coach because there's
a back staircase to Jerry Jones office, and if you
don't like what's going on, you just walk up that
back staircase and you get it changed by Jerry. And
I think that's part of the culture that's been a
part of the Dallas Cowboys since Jimmy Johnson was fired,
and that that to me, enables players too to be
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habitual line steppers, to step over the line and basically say, well,
we can do whatever we want because we will. I
don't have to listen to the coach because we're not
gonna because Jerry's gonna bail us out. And and that
to me is the culture issue that you're dealing with
with the Dallas Cowboys when it comes to Zeke Elliott
and some of the other things that have gone on there.
All Right, So in the last minute, Mark Slaith has gone.
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The smeller is the feller and he also gave up
some great uh some great gardening tips. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays
at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific. Brad Stevens knew
the psychology of Gordon Hayward enough from his time spent
coaching him two years ago axcume me years ago, two
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years at Butler to understand that if he was forceful
with it, if he was a hey, are you in
or you out? Because I thought you're my guy, it
wouldn't work. On the other hand, if you simply kind
of took him through the process, let him understand exactly
what you're about. Hey, remember we still know each other.
Remember I'm a chust for the guy. And look, if
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you don't love it, it's okay. We're still gonna be friends.
He planted the id Yeah, he planted the idea inside
the head of Gordon Hayward and Gordon Hayward didn't even know.
I't even know. He doesn't even realize that Brad understood
his psychology from their time together as Inception kids. So look,
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it had nothing to do with my relationship with Brad.
This wasn't like a long term thing. I just chose
it on my own that it worked, right. You know,
we have a calvsphased team hybrid forwards evolving. But look,
look if you don't want to do it, hey we're
still good, amazing. I mean, Christopher Nolan would be so proud.
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He's had other ones. Memento was really good. Um Mento
is really really good. Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar. Do you
guys watched Interstellar? That was That was a little long
and a little weird, little winding, which is funny because
I asked Ryan Dunkirk wasn't long. It wasn't. It wasn't
that long, which is funny for Christopher Nolan because this
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movie is tending to be long. Yeah, I don't mind
a long good movie. Kids movies had to be short.
Adults movies, it's ok. It's okay, Like, you know, don't
edit out that, don't edit out the good stuff. You
don't want to see a three Hour of Monsters Inc.
No Monsters Inc. Was incredibly creative movie, though yes it
was Monsters University. Not bad, not terrible, not great, And
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I couldn't agree with you more about cars to not good. Yeah,
like who green lit that one? Who goes this is
a this is a good idea. Let's have a kid's
movie that incorporates double O seven and guns everywhere. That
sounds a good idea. That's actually Disney getting back to
old school Disney. You know, like you know Cinderella is
the worst, right, Like just pitched the screenplay and this
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is a kids movie where the mom dies. Start of
the movie. Mom dies. He marries an evil stepmother who
already has two daughters, who treats the original daughter so poorly.
She lives up in an addict and her best friend
or mice, and she's the maid for everybody else, including
her two daughters. She didn't even let her go out.
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She just to like sneak out just to meet the prince.
Then she does everything in her power to make sure
that her daughters get the hand of the prince, not
the stepdaughter. Well, like, where's the dad? The dad? Did?
Dad died too? I think everybody dies the stepmother and
what a great stories it and then people want their
daughter to grow up to be said dressed get dressed
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up as Cinderella. What an amazing story Cinderella is like
now it's actually not, that's Disney being Disney anyway. I
see a ton of inception with what Brad Stevens did.
He planned an idea and did it so well that
Gordon Hayward doesn't even know what happened to him. He
doesn't even realize that he understood the psychology of Hayward,
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massaged it into his brain, and Gordon Hayward feels like
he came up with it completely on his own, that
the Celtics were the team, the Celtics were home. He
could trust Brad Stevens, even though he knew Brad steven
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I Heart Radio app. Kenny Martin joins us. He's the
former number one overall pick, as was Lebron as was
Kyrie Irving, or from All Star in the NBA. You
can see him in the Big Three this upcoming weekend
in Dallas as he returns home to Texas. The Big
Three tips off two pm in American Airline Center on Sunday.
Game Uh, the best way to get tickets is Big
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three dot com. Kenny. When you've heard Kyrie wants to
be traded on a team that most people believe if
they can just keep it together for for one season,
they'll get to an Eastern Conference to get to the
NBA Finals, what's your reaction? He's his damn mind? Why
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where where else that he can win? And um so
when it consistently I have a chance to win a
championship every year player with the best player on the planet.
Where else canna get that done? That? Do you think
that is? There is there any validity to the idea
of Hey dude, I've done that. That's fine. Uh, I
don't want my own team. You also only won thirty
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games without Lebron James too. You know that's one teams
you know without Lebron James. Better be honest. I think
it's a bad it's a bad decision. It's a bad
move forever or or if it's his decision and he's
on his own, I just think it's a bad decision. Yeah,
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I would. I would point out, well, it's it's fair
like he was off injured before Lebron joined and he
was like years old. Now he's twenty five, when the
results be quite different. I don't think so. I think
he's he's a ball dominant part guard. You know, let's
call it what it is. He's a hell of a talent.
He makes plays, but he's a ball dominant plant guard
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in this league, and we all know what that is.
You know that that doesn't be quite winning in the NBA,
you know. So, I just think he has a solid
convention around him and had a few younger pieces changing
that bench. I think that I'm saying they've been in
the cop of easing. You know. I just don't see
where else you're going and maybe have that kind of success, Ken,
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I just don't see it. What if you're running Cleveland,
do you keep him even though he wants out? No, No,
I do not. I don't know. I don't don't need
to keep it anyone that doesn't want to be there. No.
So I think you book the shipping and you get
something back. He goes back you you can know that.
I'm pretty ship has a number of point guards. Around
the NBA that were learning Lebron James can have plants
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about doing it. Kenny Martin joining us in the Doug
gottlib show ticket started twenty dollars. It's affordable fund for families.
It's great if you haven't seen the Big Three. It
is a It has become a thing, right, I mean
it just has, like everybody, like on Sundays when it
was intuld So my friends told, like, dude, it was
the thing last weekends in Chicago and then of course
the air's Monday on Fox Sports one. You are you
in any way surprised at how much of a thing
(25:56):
it's become now from week one, Man, the crowd don't
outside of the barn thangs in New York. We want,
you know, driving up getting ready for the game, just
out of the way. They came out and groans. Um,
since these thousand people came out to support it. Um,
it's only a bit better since week one. Um the
players gotten better. Um, the guys. Um, So we know
what kind of shape we after being down to gart
(26:16):
Um took a pet to get a fan of show,
and I think we've done that so far in five weeks. Yeah,
you know, my fear was Week one, like three guys
got hurt, and I just thought, like, you know, everybody
says they want to get in shape for it, but
then a lot of you guys made a lot of money,
you played a lot of ball. There's a lot of
we were off those ties. My thought was, man, week
two would be really telling, and we two was better
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than week one was ever thought though during week one
You're like, oh, man, guys are falling out getting hurt.
This might not work. No, I mean, Andrews are part
of sports, but um, guys get hurt every week in
the NFL. They don't say I was kind of a
lot of shape, you know, you know what that always
We all know Andrew's all a part of sports. Man,
and people want to point out guys and ages and
that and just that, but it's not It's not bad,
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um guys do the guys thought they were working, but
we do. It was gonna be challenging that time. Like
I said, no, earlier after we won, guys to do
the kind of sis you had to be in the change.
They worked out and and and then as a debt
makes for better basketball. Kenny Martin joining us on the
dougout Live show. Let's go back to Cleveland. They add
Derrick Rose. Rose actually averaged eighteen a game last year.
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Grant didn't play the whole Sea's gonna play sixty four games. Um,
he signs for the league minimum. What are your thoughts
on that addition to the Cavalier's roster. Um, I think
you can help. Um. Is he going to be the
starting point going through? I don't know. It depends on
what Cleveland does. I'm saying with Kyrie, it depends on
where they going and then what they get back for him.
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But I think it's a solar pick up. UM. I
think he's he doesn't have to play big minutes if
they don't need it too. He can show a minute,
Like he said, he have his eight team and a
four games. No, So I think it definitely can help
them um their bench or or if they start him
on whatever they do as a backup. You know. But
I think he's obvious. I've been saying that. I don't
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think he is. He should be with us to play
thirty five forty minutes at night. You know what comes up.
We all know what that leads to. No, but I
think he can definitely help them, you know, what I'm
saying moving forward. There was discussion yesterday I think it
was Bill Simmons talked about that the possibility of Karma
Al Anthony joined the Thunder. There's been talking obviously about
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the Houston Rockets, has been talking about the Portland's Trailblazers. Obviously,
now there's gonna be talking about him. There's gonna be
until he moves with the Cleveland Cavaliers as well. With
his relationship to Lebron James. If you're in in Mellow's ear,
where do you tell he's got no trade clause so
he can kind of determine with with some reason where
he could go. What's the best fit? Um. I like
the thing on now that Paul charges. Now give another
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score somebody that can tune on to compete with the
device of bona um. But I think like Theton like
the Washington will from was established back court. Um, I
think they have pieces and pays tay us to New
York needs to take back and the Kelly who break
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kid Um, the Morris kid Um. But they just signed
all the reporters leads off the books probably uh, but
now then't like to say in Washington he goes home
he goes home his family and everybody to see him
play again. But I think it's there were two places.
Portland's Um, I like people to Portland. But if it's
going to be somewhere in in the West, UM, I
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would definitely I like to move to go u to
Oklahoma City. If if you were gonna say, this guy
has surprised me in the Big Three more than anybody
like a guy you're like, man, I don't know what
he's got left or you didn't know if he could
play at that level. Obviously there's some super high level
guys uh in the Big Three. Who's been the most
surprising playing in the Big Three? Um mc moove um UM.
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He's he's been out of the NBA long and it
us I think. And the way he still can play
and moves and shoot the ball, what we are not
doing that he takes care of his body now and
in the past. You know, So that's telling you know
what I'm saying. You can tell that's what he's been
doing since he got UM, since his NBA career has ended. Um,
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he's been in the gym constantly shoot the ball like
y'all always has in its terror. You can tell him
his play and some guys are taking him lightly because
he's a little older than all of us. He's going
out there, he's showing guys what he was the NBA.
He was a flat out shooter, you know he was.
He was a flat out scorer. And that's when you're
showing guys. Now, he still held about, he still moves.
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Well know, he's out there getting it done. You know
what I'm saying. And the guys, I'm not the only
one that surprise you. Born Born getting buckets back when
is Chris Jackson leading the country and scored as a freshman,
of course, definitely ended his career. Got to young guys,
they don't know that. A lot of young guys don't
know him as Chris Jackson, so they just they don't
know the illaginations going. They don't they want to thinking
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that we all saw that dukey get buckets. Kmart continued
health and success in the Big Three. Look forward to
seeing you in Dallas this Sunday, will be on Fox
Sports one this money that's Big Three dot Com slash tickets.
Great Kenyan, Martin Kane, thanks so much for joining us.
All right, that's Kmart joining us. Be sure to catch
live editions of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
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the I Heart Radio app so r G three is
working out as we speak extraly this afternoon for the
for the l A Chargers. It was about to come
out my mouth to San Diego Chargers. Um, I know
people inside the Charge organization and what this has been
to me deemed to me to be just take you
a look, just go take just go and take a peek.
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Which I'm a big believer in. I'm a big I'm
a big believer in right. Like you know, well when
you when you go do you always rent the same
car were on the road You're like, yeah, I wanted
to know what a Mala who was like, I want
to know what Honda was like. Like some people like
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to do the same thing over and over again. And
that's okay. You can still do the same thing over
and over again, but it's okay to try other foods.
Like I don't really like Indian food. I just don't
like hurry guy. I just it's not I don't I
don't hate it, I just don't love it. And there's
enough foods that I do like. But you know, somebody says, like, hey,
you wanna try some Indian feel Like, yeah, you know,
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variety is a spice of life a little bit, right,
So I like that the Chargers are at least kicking
the tires on on r G three. Does he bring
any sort of value? Remember last year Philip Rivers had
a disappointing year. We didn't value the football. But I mean,
it's not like r G three is coming in to
compete to be the starting quarterback in San Diego, especially
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at at at this date. On the other hand, Uh,
taking a look, to me, this is about this is
a as there's a disparity there between who Kaepernick is
and who r G three is. Right, r G three,
Uh never achieved the postseason success of Colin Kaepernick, but
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I had arguably better regular season success, at least in
his first year. He had more devastating injuries. Although Kaepernick
did have a couple of really tough injuries to come
back from. But the fact that r G three is
out there working out for teams tells you kind of
all you need to know about Kaepernick. Like, it doesn't
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mean that the Chargers would sign Kaepernick, but you mean
to tell me that they wouldn't want to see him
work out and see what's got, especially with Kellen Clemens
as their backup quarterback. Let's take a peek of what
this guy has. Worst case scenario. You say, no, no thanks,
But we haven't seen Kaepernick pop into any of these
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other camps. We haven't seen any kind of workouts he
went up to He went up to Seattle, and what
did you hear? Do you remember what was said about
him when he came back from Seattle? Remember what what
Pete Carroll said about him? What do you say Rama's
He said he could definitely be a starting quarterback in
the NFL. I took that at the time, and I
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take it even more now. Two. Uh, they were relaying
information to Colin Kaepernick. They were they were talking in code,
which is Kaepernick doesn't want to go somewhere, doesn't really
want to be a backup. He wants to be a starter,
And they were telling him like, look, if if Russell
Wilson gets hurt, we're gonna call you. But it also
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is relaying that what he The vibe they got was
he didn't want to hear, Hey, if you want to
stay here now, you've got to be a backup. And
to all these people who are like, well, he's getting
a raw deal and that's why he's not in the NFL.
That's that. Do I think that there are so owners
that want to stay away because of his flag protests
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last year? Sure, I think that's a reasonable, But I
think there's a greater number of owners that want to
stay away because he wants a job that they don't.
There's not a position they feel like he's that's available
for him, Like even the Jets, which has been pointed out,
like why won't the Jets sign him? Well, that's because
their general manager drafted Christian Hackenberth, and so the general
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manager's signs Colin Kaepernick and he ends up being better
than Colin Kaepernicks. Like general manager's only proving that he
can't draft a quarterback. He's like, look, I'm trying to
develop a guy him and try and get him reps,
try and seeing what he does in the preseason. Same
with the Ram Why went to Ram sign him because
they have Jared Goff, who they invested a number one
overall pick in traded up to get him. Plus they
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have Sean Manion who has never had the peaks of
Colin Kaepernick, but by most people's estimation, Byley's mind, like,
I think they should have gone to him before they
went to Jared Goff last year if they really want
to wretch Jared Goff. And the reason Jared Goff played
last year because he nube overall pick. So I think
the r G three thing is smart. I think it's
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a lot like the Derrick Rose deal. Right when you're
out of the league, the most important thing is you
get back in the league. Instead of being picky about well,
I gotta go somewhere, I'm gonna start right away. I listen.
I when you're initially in the league, or when your
stock is high, that's great. When your stock is low,
just just keep being in the league, just keep an
opportunity will come. But you're more likely to get that
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opportunityhen you're in house and when you're out of house.
That's the same in any business. Like you walk away
from your job, do I want to be picky and
take the next perfect job? The best time to look
for jobs when you have one, make sure you have
because if you're out of work, they're like, well, why
is this guy out of work? Got a great resume,
always been picky. It might be something else to it
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might be something else to it. So I look at
Derrick Rossheim for two million dollars and he turned down
the chance to be a backup with the Lakers, to
be a backup with the Calves. And I'm sure some
of it was he knew everybody in the league would
have taken if he knew there's something up with Kyrie.
But even if they lose Kyrie, they're gonna go out
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and get another point guard, right, Like, they're not depending
on Rose. But I think Roses he understands, like, hey,
if if this works, my next contract, this is what
this is the other part Kaepernick screwed up. Kaepernick's real
screw up wasn't the the anthem protests as much as
it was last year. Before the season, the Broncos wanted him,
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but he was making fourteen and they're like, we'll take
yet seven million dollars. At the time, Gary Kubiak was
your coach. He's a former quarterback, and they're run by
the president of operations is John Elway, former quarterback. They
have a defense that everything they needed outside of a
quarterback in order to at least push for the playoffs
is not be a playoff team. Had he bet on
himself and taken less because the job and not word
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about the bottom line, they will be in the league
super League. And the lesson is take the job, not
the money. Take the job, not the money. It sounds
really easy when we're talking about ridiculous sums of money,
but take the job, not the money, and the money
again depends on the chosen field. Right well, come be
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sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott Leaves
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. It's also
interesting to me that while Lebron gets no blame, so
too does Adam Silver no blame. Adam Silver has been
a pro player commissioner right supporting their uh, their right
to protest social issues, supporting their right to change teams,
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supporting in many ways or not actually criticizing players choosing
to sit out games. Have you ever heard Adam Silver,
the commissioner of the NBA A say hey, this is wrong,
player shouldn't be doing this. Have you ever heard that
come out of his mouth? I haven't. And why is that?
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Because he's a pro player commissioner. That's his bag. When
he came into power, he came in you always go
with the opposite of the guy before you. David Stern
could be seen as at times anti player, pro owner.
He also when Adam Silver took over, he was trying
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to not be Roger Goodell, who was seen as anti player,
pro owner, pro business, not pro individual businessman. Right. He
came in during UH during the Donald Sterling deal with
the l A Clipper. That was his first big move
was to remove May, force him to sell the team,
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forced him to sell the team, and I look, look,
it was an obvious decision. It was something that I
I don't think there was any other plan that made
any sort of sense. Because my guess is that as
much vitriol as it was in social media and in
national media, the truth is the reason they made him
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do it was because they were sponsors of NBA teams.
They were corporate sponsors, like, look, we just can't be
associated with this, we just can't. You gotta make him
self the team. But the fact is that Adam Silver
coward to the thoughts and you know, and to the desires,
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like an illegally obtained audio tape which did characterize him
as a racist. Although there were actions that Donald certainly
had that you could say wasn't a racist. I don't
like Donald Sterling, but the truth is Donald Stertling made
two billion dollars on sale of a team. Right, He
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made off with a ton of money and offering up
no other solution other than, hey, players want him out,
so he's going to be out. Started a path of
every decision he's made for them has been pro player.
And so when players start moving and you're not critical,
and then you factor in, we're in this AU generation
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where guys switched teams all the time. How do these
players think that they're bigger than the league because the
owner has essentially told them as such. The media has
told them as such. The same media that's criticizing Kyrie
Irving for wanting his own team, for leaving this team
that's going to compete for a championship, is the same one,
(41:40):
the same one that has empowered him. Right, we got
the transfer generation in college basketball, which comes back from
the AU generation in high school basketball, which feeds all
this movement in the NBA basketball. And then we act
like we're like surprised
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talk about players holding out as a Dwayne Brown holding
out first holdout of the season so far with the
Houston Texans, what we what, what our thoughts should be
on the Dallas Cowboys, and the litany of of a
thousand the thousand little cuts of what's going on with
different players as well as the CT findings and what
it means to former, current and future players in the
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National Football League. But the story of the day, the
story and sports continues to be Kyrie Irving and Lebron James,
the divorce which appears to be imminent. Look, there are
things that I will I say on this show that
you will hear me repeat over and over again, right,
And it's because if I make them a cliche, it's
they are. They might be cliche, but cliches tend to
be true more often when the going gets tough, the
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tough do get going. You do actually need a Rabbi
in the room. You need somebody who believes in you.
In your skill set. There are no more secrets, only
fact suitors are yet to be revealed. Right, Just the
truth is out there and we have more. We have
a greater ability to gain it now than we ever did.
You can't fool players, You just can't. No one goes
to get a second opinion after good news. There's never
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been a guy who's like Mr Gottlieb, you don't have cancer. Sorry, doc,
I gotta go get a second opinion. Um. And whether
it's Genie out of a bottle or once you to
visit visit the divorce attorney and start talking about breaking
up assets, it's not a marriage that's going to last
the test of time. Remember Kyrie Irving talking with ownership,
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especially when ownership did not have a general manager, about
his future and saying that he wanted to be traded.
Is different than if you want to say married, married
couple going to therapy. Right. This is not let's talk
it out. This is not Kevin Love a couple of
years ago trying to break bread with Lebron James after
the first year so that he could get in all
the photos. This is Kyrie. Everything's saying I've been here,
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we want a Championship. I'm good check please. This is
justin Timberlake saying and Cink is awesome, but I want
to go solo. That's what this is. And whether it's
being in a boy band, whether it's being in the
Bronze band, just gauge the reaction that you've heard or
you've read on Twitter. How many people said, look, honestly, Cowherd.
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Every day he's talking about these are first world problems,
like people complaining about the line at Starbucks. By the way, Cowherd,
like in the Kyrie wanting out of playing with lebron
from the line, like first world problems, the line being
too long a Starbucks. I should point out that most
of America hate the line at Starbucks. You know what
they did mobile ordering and it works fantastically. Cuts out
(04:06):
the interpersonal communication, which is one of the reasons that
Starbucks kind of exists as the third place home and work,
but still it Starbucks saw that it was a problem,
knew that their customers were upset and made an adjustment,
and the cabs have been slow to adjust and so
now Kyrie wants out. But if you just gauge people's
(04:27):
um feelings, they will almost all say This is a
sign of immaturity from Kyrie Irving. How could he possibly
how could he split tens? You gotta winning hand? Why
would you not want to play with It's it's it's
a parallel to the reason Kyrie likely wants out anyway.
And something I've been telling you going back to the
NBA Finals and through till last week when I was
(04:48):
hosting the Herd stud Gotli show Fox Sports Radio, I've
told you that Lebron James is great. I am not
disputing the fact that Lebron James is an amazing basketball player.
Right and he while he there's not maybe not that
doesn't do anything great, he does everything good. Like he's
not a great three point shooter, but he's become a
pretty good three point shooter you leave open. He's not
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the greatest pass we've ever seen. He's not Stock Ting's not.
Mark Jackson is not he's not Steve Nash doesn't have
that kind of He's not magic. He's not. Larry Bird
is a pastor, but for all the other things he does,
it's a very good pastor and a willing pass. He's
not a great post up player, but he scored something
the post a right he does everything. He's not a
great man a man defense player, but for a guy
(05:32):
that can guard multiple positions, he can guard all of
them pretty well. Like that's he's a jack of all
trades and a master of I guess some. He never
gets hurt and rarely gets tired, and he's lifted his
teams to higher levels. But what's happened is now what
Kyrie doesn't make anybody better? Really, Like we didn't pay
attention to the fact that Kyrie Irving waking up, going
(05:54):
back to two years ago in the NBA Finals is
one of the things that turned around that series. That
Kyrie actually he hit the game winning shot. He was
the go to offensive player down the stretch. Or here's
the between the narrative of people being negative about Kyrie
leaving or just a simple it's just a simple idea.
Kyrie Irving was twenty four years old. This season had
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far and away his best season as a pro. Average
more points shot, a career high field goal percentage the
second highest, and three point percentage, but a high bunch
higher volume of three pointers shot from the freezer line,
and was about a two to one assistant turnover ratio.
He's not a great assist guy for a lead Guarden
more of a scoring guard who wasn't one of the
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first three teams All NBA, whereas Steph Curry likely based
upon reputation, who did not have a great season until
the end of the year when Kevin Durant was out,
was the first three All NBA teams. Same thing for
Draymond Green. So, whether it's you want your name in
billboard lights and want the headlines, which appears to be
some of it, whether it's how heavy it is to
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go to work in the pressure of having to perform
when things go wrong it's always your fault, or just
if you look at the overall narrative of Kyrie does
not help them when Lebron does, and when Kyrie wants
to leave, it's all on Kyrie, don't you Like, don't
you kind of get the idea of why a guy
might want to leave and then the idea that we
don't know where Lebron is even gonna be there next year, Like, well,
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then he would have a team to set himself, but
that's not really what he wants. He wants to be
the lead dog on a good team in a place
he wants to live in place he wants to go
to work. And this idea that it just happened not true.
I've been brewing for a long time. Here's Chauncey Billips
on Altitude Radio member Chauncey Bill was supposed to be
the general manager? Why didn't he take the job? What
(07:48):
was leaked? Were they low baldom? Well, lowbaldom. But for
a guy who's never worked in an NBA front office
to get offered the general manager position of a team
that's reached three straight NBA finals seems like a pretty
good gig. Here's Chauncey as to what he knew was
going on, which we've just learned about. It didn't really
surprise me. Um, Obviously I knew, you know, as they
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were doing their due diligence on me, I was doing
the same things. Obviously I knew. I knew UM so
much about the situation that that, you know, the rest
of the world doesn't know. Um. But that's unfortunate, man,
because he's a he's a special talent, and uh, you know,
and in my opinion, you know, so much of what
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he's been able to accomplish on and off the floor
has been He's been a beneficiary of having Lebron James man,
that would be alarming to me if I was a
team looking to get him. Yeah, well listen, that would
be alarming for Chauncey Billis. But what Chauncey Bills again
is saying, is what Kyrie feels like a young people
feel this all the time. Hey, why do you have
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to qualify all of my success with It's only come
with Lebron James. Nobody says I'm just a great player. Like,
like I think, if you break down the different players,
like Russell Westbrook's probably the best athlete who can give
you the most at both ends, even though he's inefficient
and hard to play with. Uh, he plays incredibly hard
(09:12):
and the effort, the athleticism. I mean, he's different than Kyrie,
who's the best one on one score. Is different than
Steph Curry, who's the best shooter of the bunch. Is
different than James Harden, who doesn't bring much of anything
at the defensive end, but is a really difficult and
different matchup than Kyrie. Is. Like, they're all kind of different,
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and they're all really really good, But our evaluation that
Kyrie is somehow below those guys kind of makes Kyrie's point,
And even if he's wrong, isn't that kind of the
American spirit of you know what, I'm not just gonna
tell you that I'm at those guys level. Give me
the chance to have my own team, and I'll show
you that I'm at those guys level. So I'm not
sitting here telling you I'm solely on team Kyrie. But
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this has been brewing for a long time, and I
get it right, don't you kind of get it? Everyone
is qualifying everything Kyrie has ever done with, Well, it
didn't happen until he had le Bron James, which is true.
On the other hand, he also wasn't healthy. On the
other hand, it was also a dysfunctional organization, poorly coached team.
They changed the coaches, they changed the culture, and they
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added veteran players to go along with Kyrie, who was
finally healthy. So Kyrie's like, why does everybody have to
qualify it? This happens in bands all the time, happens
in business all the time, and now it's happening in sports.
I want my own team, I want my own band.
I want my name in headlights. When headlights headlights are
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on a car, mark on the marquee. I was not
a role, right is it over? When the Germans Bob
Pearl Harbor, it's animal house. If you're not old enough
to remember that, I kind of get it, because every
comment I have heard is about Kyrie somehow having some
sort of failure, Kyrie's ego not being in check. Kyrie, Kyrie, Kyrie,
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and he can't measure up to Lebron, which is kind
of Kyrie's point. I want to show you. I want
to show you. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Let's turn to football, uh for for a
(11:25):
for a time? As new Fox Sports and Fox Sports
one analyst for the National Football League, three times Super
Bowl champion, and the second strongest maybe even third strongest
man his own family. You should see the pictures of
his pops, his dad seventies seven years old. I mean,
and he looks he looks like he could compete in
like an iron man. I mean, he's just a stud.
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Mark Slaith is not as big as stud, but was
a stud in the football field, and he joins us
on the Doug gotleip show stank. How are you? I'm
good dog? How are you doing on my friend right
to do that picture? Your dad is super super impressive,
you know what, He's a freak show. I know. I
know this about you know, people talk about the hard
work and there's nobody that worked any harder and all
that kind of stuff. But I want the genetic lottery,
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and I make no bones about it, you know what.
And I'm not gonna apologize for it because my dad's
a free show. Okay. So I want to ask you
about this new study from the Journal of American the
Journey of American Medical Association, which was at least today.
They studied two d two former football players of home
that they studied. There's no control group. Had CT a
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hundred and ten of a hundred and eleven former NFL
players whose brains were donated to research. And you probably
only donate your brain to research if you felt like
something was not performing optimally with your brain. Had CT
as a former uh and if a longtime NFL player
you had was the twenty nine surgeries? That what you had?
I mean something crazy, okay, twenty nine surgeries, but those
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are on your knees, none in your head. What's your
reaction to to these findings. I'm not surprised at all,
not shocked by that whatsoever. If you played football all
and you know, I don't mean to be this is
not for shock value, but if you played football at
any level, you've done brain damage to yourself. It's just
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the way it is. I mean, you can't repeatedly slam
your head into other people's heads and think that there's
gonna be no long standing, you know, issues from doing that.
So I think it's part and parcel of playing the
game that if you played for any length of time, UM,
at pretty much any level, you know, starting it, let's
call it high school, you've done a certain amount of
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brain damage, some more than others. But I just think
there's no getting around the fact that that is. That's
you know, it's factual. That's what's going to happen to you.
There's no questions, no ifs, hands or butts about that.
How does this affect the future of football? Well, I
certainly think you know, it will affect um. It will
(13:53):
affect the people that that have choices um or that
feel like they're in a position to have choices, you
know what money does for you is it gives you
the opportunity to make a choice. And I think what
you'll see is people from affluent families basically forbidding their
kids to play. And I think you'll see a lot
of that. Now. There are some that that will continue
(14:14):
to play, but I think there's no question that there
will be a faction of society that will no longer
allow their kids to play. Some people see it as
a way out and they will continue to play. UM.
You know, I think it has a lot to do
with economics and and where you come from. UM met
personally with this information, what I let my own kids
(14:36):
play norn, right, I would um And I'm a believer that, yeah,
you've done a certain amount of brain damage. And I've
done a certain amount of brain damage to myself. I mean,
there was not a game that I played in Doug
Why I didn't at least see stars one time or
knock myself out where it was just even for a
split second where I blacked out and kind of woke
up on the ground And I probably started, you know
(14:57):
with preseason and playoff games and everything a hundred games.
So there's no question I've done plenty of brain damage.
I also happen to believe that your brain has enough
connectivity and enough elasticity to overcome some of those issues
if you're using it, if you have purpose, if your
whole you know, if if your whole um identity comes
(15:19):
from playing football, when that gets games from you, um,
there's gonna be depression that ensues. There's gonna be some
other things that that are going to affect you. And
I think that probably except exacerbates the issues of of
CTE and brain trauma. But the bottom line is there
will be quite a few people who choose not to
let their kids play. I, on the other hand, will
(15:41):
continue to let If my kid wanted to play, that
wouldn't deter me for one second. That's the voice of Marshalairath,
Fox Sports NFL analyst joining us in the dug Otlip
Show here on Fox Sport Trader. Let's turn to the
Dallas Cowboys. So Lucky Whitehead was unlucky when he was
arrested for shy uplifting like a twinkie because it wasn't him,
(16:02):
he was missed. The guy identified himself as Lucky Whitehead
and even had his I d even though it wasn't
Lucky Whitehead, but he was cut and the Cowboys are
still saying he's still cut. They're not going to resign him, um,
because of the litany of issues he had predating this.
But that's just one of the many guys that have
gotten in some form of trouble off the field for
the Dallas Cowboys. Is this just a Cowboys issue? Or
(16:25):
is this Hey, look at the NFL, it's the offseason.
Guys get arrested, not that big a deal. Well, I
think there's I think there's part of that, but I
also think it happened to do with the culture that
you establish as a franchise, as an organization. You know,
it's funny the Lucky Whitehead thing. There's always a sacrificial
lamb guy that we cut to make an example in
hopes that are other guys you know, fall suits, and
(16:47):
that really doesn't work. I mean, do you think if
you're trying to keep Lucky Whitehead off your team? He
was marginal. He was probably gonna, you know, be a
you know, a last cut type of guy anyhow. But
the bottom line, if you think Zeke Elliott is going
to get the message that hey, we've got lucky whitehead.
We do it to you to come on. If seek Elliott,
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you know, steals a twinkie, do you think they're gonna
you think they're gonna cut him or reprimand him or
anything else. No, absolutely not. And you know there's a
lot of people that hit me up on Twitter and say, well,
they're all allegations, right, None of this stuff has proven.
Whether it's domestic violence or whether the guy you know,
whether he's knocked him out in the ball or whatever.
(17:27):
It's all allegations. Nothing has been proven. And my response
to that is, everywhere you go, if it smells like
a turd, you might want to check your own pants
because it might be you. You're the one that might
laid that turd in your pants. So the bottom line
with him is you you have got to clean your
act up, and you've got to understand that you are
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a target. And then people are looking at you, and
people got cell phones with cameras on them, and that's
just the way that goes. But further to further the
point of the Dallas Cowboys, and I think that's an
important point. You know, I do a lot of landscaping.
Does you know I have my man one A one channel,
and I'd like to be out there doing all that stuff.
Here's the bottom line. When you're landscaping, you gotta irrigate.
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And I know this about water. Water is the same
kind of um. It's very it's very I liken it
to culture and water. See water. When you irrigate your yard,
water will follow the path of least resistance. And if
you're not establishing culture, culture follows the path of least resistance.
And if the culture in your organization is hey, you
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don't have to listen to the head coach because there's
a back staircase to Jerry Jones office, and if you
don't like what's going on, you just walk up that
back staircase and you get it changed by Jerry. And
I think that's part of the culture that's been a
part of the Dallas Cowboys since Jimmy Johnson was fired,
and that that to me, enables players too to be
(18:54):
habitual line steppers, to step over the line and basically say, well,
we can do whatever we want because we will. I
don't have to listen to the coach because we're not
gonna because Jerry's gonna bail us out. And and that
to me is the culture issue that you're dealing with
with the Dallas Cowboys when it comes to Zeke Elliott
and some of the other things that have gone on there.
All Right, So in the last minute, Mark Slaith has gone.
(19:15):
The smeller is the feller and he also gave up
some great uh some great gardening tips. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaves Show weekdays
at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific. Brad Stevens knew
the psychology of Gordon Hayward enough from his time spent
coaching him two years ago axcume me years ago, two
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years at Butler to understand that if he was forceful
with it, if he was a hey, are you in
or you out? Because I thought you're my guy, it
wouldn't work. On the other hand, if you simply kind
of took him through the process, let him understand exactly
what you're about. Hey, remember we still know each other.
Remember I'm a chust for the guy. And look, if
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you don't love it, it's okay. We're still gonna be friends.
He planted the id Yeah, he planted the idea inside
the head of Gordon Hayward and Gordon Hayward didn't even know.
I't even know. He doesn't even realize that Brad understood
his psychology from their time together as Inception kids. So look,
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it had nothing to do with my relationship with Brad.
This wasn't like a long term thing. I just chose
it on my own that it worked, right. You know,
we have a calvsphased team hybrid forwards evolving. But look,
look if you don't want to do it, hey we're
still good, amazing. I mean, Christopher Nolan would be so proud.
(20:41):
He's had other ones. Memento was really good. Um Mento
is really really good. Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar. Do you
guys watched Interstellar? That was That was a little long
and a little weird, little winding, which is funny because
I asked Ryan Dunkirk wasn't long. It wasn't. It wasn't
that long, which is funny for Christopher Nolan because this
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movie is tending to be long. Yeah, I don't mind
a long good movie. Kids movies had to be short.
Adults movies, it's ok. It's okay, Like, you know, don't
edit out that, don't edit out the good stuff. You
don't want to see a three Hour of Monsters Inc.
No Monsters Inc. Was incredibly creative movie, though yes it
was Monsters University. Not bad, not terrible, not great, And
(21:26):
I couldn't agree with you more about cars to not good. Yeah,
like who green lit that one? Who goes this is
a this is a good idea. Let's have a kid's
movie that incorporates double O seven and guns everywhere. That
sounds a good idea. That's actually Disney getting back to
old school Disney. You know, like you know Cinderella is
the worst, right, Like just pitched the screenplay and this
(21:46):
is a kids movie where the mom dies. Start of
the movie. Mom dies. He marries an evil stepmother who
already has two daughters, who treats the original daughter so poorly.
She lives up in an addict and her best friend
or mice, and she's the maid for everybody else, including
her two daughters. She didn't even let her go out.
(22:06):
She just to like sneak out just to meet the prince.
Then she does everything in her power to make sure
that her daughters get the hand of the prince, not
the stepdaughter. Well, like, where's the dad? The dad? Did?
Dad died too? I think everybody dies the stepmother and
what a great stories it and then people want their
daughter to grow up to be said dressed get dressed
(22:27):
up as Cinderella. What an amazing story Cinderella is like
now it's actually not, that's Disney being Disney anyway. I
see a ton of inception with what Brad Stevens did.
He planned an idea and did it so well that
Gordon Hayward doesn't even know what happened to him. He
doesn't even realize that he understood the psychology of Hayward,
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massaged it into his brain, and Gordon Hayward feels like
he came up with it completely on his own, that
the Celtics were the team, the Celtics were home. He
could trust Brad Stevens, even though he knew Brad steven
the known cleansider longer. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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(23:08):
I Heart Radio app. Kenny Martin joins us. He's the
former number one overall pick, as was Lebron as was
Kyrie Irving, or from All Star in the NBA. You
can see him in the Big Three this upcoming weekend
in Dallas as he returns home to Texas. The Big
Three tips off two pm in American Airline Center on Sunday.
Game Uh, the best way to get tickets is Big
(23:28):
three dot com. Kenny. When you've heard Kyrie wants to
be traded on a team that most people believe if
they can just keep it together for for one season,
they'll get to an Eastern Conference to get to the
NBA Finals, what's your reaction? He's his damn mind? Why
(23:48):
where where else that he can win? And um so
when it consistently I have a chance to win a
championship every year player with the best player on the planet.
Where else canna get that done? That? Do you think
that is? There is there any validity to the idea
of Hey dude, I've done that. That's fine. Uh, I
don't want my own team. You also only won thirty
(24:10):
games without Lebron James too. You know that's one teams
you know without Lebron James. Better be honest. I think
it's a bad it's a bad decision. It's a bad
move forever or or if it's his decision and he's
on his own, I just think it's a bad decision. Yeah,
(24:30):
I would. I would point out, well, it's it's fair
like he was off injured before Lebron joined and he
was like years old. Now he's twenty five, when the
results be quite different. I don't think so. I think
he's he's a ball dominant part guard. You know, let's
call it what it is. He's a hell of a talent.
He makes plays, but he's a ball dominant plant guard
(24:52):
in this league, and we all know what that is.
You know that that doesn't be quite winning in the NBA,
you know. So, I just think he has a solid
convention around him and had a few younger pieces changing
that bench. I think that I'm saying they've been in
the cop of easing. You know. I just don't see
where else you're going and maybe have that kind of success, Ken,
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I just don't see it. What if you're running Cleveland,
do you keep him even though he wants out? No, No,
I do not. I don't know. I don't don't need
to keep it anyone that doesn't want to be there. No.
So I think you book the shipping and you get
something back. He goes back you you can know that.
I'm pretty ship has a number of point guards. Around
the NBA that were learning Lebron James can have plants
(25:34):
about doing it. Kenny Martin joining us in the Doug
gottlib show ticket started twenty dollars. It's affordable fund for families.
It's great if you haven't seen the Big Three. It
is a It has become a thing, right, I mean
it just has, like everybody, like on Sundays when it
was intuld So my friends told, like, dude, it was
the thing last weekends in Chicago and then of course
the air's Monday on Fox Sports one. You are you
in any way surprised at how much of a thing
(25:56):
it's become now from week one, Man, the crowd don't
outside of the barn thangs in New York. We want,
you know, driving up getting ready for the game, just
out of the way. They came out and groans. Um,
since these thousand people came out to support it. Um,
it's only a bit better since week one. Um the
players gotten better. Um, the guys. Um, So we know
what kind of shape we after being down to gart
(26:16):
Um took a pet to get a fan of show,
and I think we've done that so far in five weeks. Yeah,
you know, my fear was Week one, like three guys
got hurt, and I just thought, like, you know, everybody
says they want to get in shape for it, but
then a lot of you guys made a lot of money,
you played a lot of ball. There's a lot of
we were off those ties. My thought was, man, week
two would be really telling, and we two was better
(26:37):
than week one was ever thought though during week one
You're like, oh, man, guys are falling out getting hurt.
This might not work. No, I mean, Andrews are part
of sports, but um, guys get hurt every week in
the NFL. They don't say I was kind of a
lot of shape, you know, you know what that always
We all know Andrew's all a part of sports. Man,
and people want to point out guys and ages and
that and just that, but it's not It's not bad,
(26:58):
um guys do the guys thought they were working, but
we do. It was gonna be challenging that time. Like
I said, no, earlier after we won, guys to do
the kind of sis you had to be in the change.
They worked out and and and then as a debt
makes for better basketball. Kenny Martin joining us on the
dougout Live show. Let's go back to Cleveland. They add
Derrick Rose. Rose actually averaged eighteen a game last year.
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Grant didn't play the whole Sea's gonna play sixty four games. Um,
he signs for the league minimum. What are your thoughts
on that addition to the Cavalier's roster. Um, I think
you can help. Um. Is he going to be the
starting point going through? I don't know. It depends on
what Cleveland does. I'm saying with Kyrie, it depends on
where they going and then what they get back for him.
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But I think it's a solar pick up. UM. I
think he's he doesn't have to play big minutes if
they don't need it too. He can show a minute,
Like he said, he have his eight team and a
four games. No, So I think it definitely can help
them um their bench or or if they start him
on whatever they do as a backup. You know. But
I think he's obvious. I've been saying that. I don't
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think he is. He should be with us to play
thirty five forty minutes at night. You know what comes up.
We all know what that leads to. No, but I
think he can definitely help them, you know, what I'm
saying moving forward. There was discussion yesterday I think it
was Bill Simmons talked about that the possibility of Karma
Al Anthony joined the Thunder. There's been talking obviously about
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the Houston Rockets, has been talking about the Portland's Trailblazers. Obviously,
now there's gonna be talking about him. There's gonna be
until he moves with the Cleveland Cavaliers as well. With
his relationship to Lebron James. If you're in in Mellow's ear,
where do you tell he's got no trade clause so
he can kind of determine with with some reason where
he could go. What's the best fit? Um. I like
the thing on now that Paul charges. Now give another
(28:45):
score somebody that can tune on to compete with the
device of bona um. But I think like Theton like
the Washington will from was established back court. Um, I
think they have pieces and pays tay us to New
York needs to take back and the Kelly who break
(29:06):
kid Um, the Morris kid Um. But they just signed
all the reporters leads off the books probably uh, but
now then't like to say in Washington he goes home
he goes home his family and everybody to see him
play again. But I think it's there were two places.
Portland's Um, I like people to Portland. But if it's
going to be somewhere in in the West, UM, I
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would definitely I like to move to go u to
Oklahoma City. If if you were gonna say, this guy
has surprised me in the Big Three more than anybody
like a guy you're like, man, I don't know what
he's got left or you didn't know if he could
play at that level. Obviously there's some super high level
guys uh in the Big Three. Who's been the most
surprising playing in the Big Three? Um mc moove um UM.
(29:54):
He's he's been out of the NBA long and it
us I think. And the way he still can play
and moves and shoot the ball, what we are not
doing that he takes care of his body now and
in the past. You know, So that's telling you know
what I'm saying. You can tell that's what he's been
doing since he got UM, since his NBA career has ended. Um,
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he's been in the gym constantly shoot the ball like
y'all always has in its terror. You can tell him
his play and some guys are taking him lightly because
he's a little older than all of us. He's going
out there, he's showing guys what he was the NBA.
He was a flat out shooter, you know he was.
He was a flat out scorer. And that's when you're
showing guys. Now, he still held about, he still moves.
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Well know, he's out there getting it done. You know
what I'm saying. And the guys, I'm not the only
one that surprise you. Born Born getting buckets back when
is Chris Jackson leading the country and scored as a freshman,
of course, definitely ended his career. Got to young guys,
they don't know that. A lot of young guys don't
know him as Chris Jackson, so they just they don't
know the illaginations going. They don't they want to thinking
(31:00):
that we all saw that dukey get buckets. Kmart continued
health and success in the Big Three. Look forward to
seeing you in Dallas this Sunday, will be on Fox
Sports one this money that's Big Three dot Com slash tickets.
Great Kenyan, Martin Kane, thanks so much for joining us.
All right, that's Kmart joining us. Be sure to catch
live editions of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
(31:23):
the I Heart Radio app so r G three is
working out as we speak extraly this afternoon for the
for the l A Chargers. It was about to come
out my mouth to San Diego Chargers. Um, I know
people inside the Charge organization and what this has been
to me deemed to me to be just take you
a look, just go take just go and take a peek.
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Which I'm a big believer in. I'm a big I'm
a big believer in right. Like you know, well when
you when you go do you always rent the same
car were on the road You're like, yeah, I wanted
to know what a Mala who was like, I want
to know what Honda was like. Like some people like
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to do the same thing over and over again. And
that's okay. You can still do the same thing over
and over again, but it's okay to try other foods.
Like I don't really like Indian food. I just don't
like hurry guy. I just it's not I don't I
don't hate it, I just don't love it. And there's
enough foods that I do like. But you know, somebody says, like, hey,
you wanna try some Indian feel Like, yeah, you know,
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variety is a spice of life a little bit, right,
So I like that the Chargers are at least kicking
the tires on on r G three. Does he bring
any sort of value? Remember last year Philip Rivers had
a disappointing year. We didn't value the football. But I mean,
it's not like r G three is coming in to
compete to be the starting quarterback in San Diego, especially
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at at at this date. On the other hand, Uh,
taking a look, to me, this is about this is
a as there's a disparity there between who Kaepernick is
and who r G three is. Right, r G three,
Uh never achieved the postseason success of Colin Kaepernick, but
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I had arguably better regular season success, at least in
his first year. He had more devastating injuries. Although Kaepernick
did have a couple of really tough injuries to come
back from. But the fact that r G three is
out there working out for teams tells you kind of
all you need to know about Kaepernick. Like, it doesn't
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mean that the Chargers would sign Kaepernick, but you mean
to tell me that they wouldn't want to see him
work out and see what's got, especially with Kellen Clemens
as their backup quarterback. Let's take a peek of what
this guy has. Worst case scenario. You say, no, no thanks,
But we haven't seen Kaepernick pop into any of these
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other camps. We haven't seen any kind of workouts he
went up to He went up to Seattle, and what
did you hear? Do you remember what was said about
him when he came back from Seattle? Remember what what
Pete Carroll said about him? What do you say Rama's
He said he could definitely be a starting quarterback in
the NFL. I took that at the time, and I
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take it even more now. Two. Uh, they were relaying
information to Colin Kaepernick. They were they were talking in code,
which is Kaepernick doesn't want to go somewhere, doesn't really
want to be a backup. He wants to be a starter,
And they were telling him like, look, if if Russell
Wilson gets hurt, we're gonna call you. But it also
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is relaying that what he The vibe they got was
he didn't want to hear, Hey, if you want to
stay here now, you've got to be a backup. And
to all these people who are like, well, he's getting
a raw deal and that's why he's not in the NFL.
That's that. Do I think that there are so owners
that want to stay away because of his flag protests
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last year? Sure, I think that's a reasonable, But I
think there's a greater number of owners that want to
stay away because he wants a job that they don't.
There's not a position they feel like he's that's available
for him, Like even the Jets, which has been pointed out,
like why won't the Jets sign him? Well, that's because
their general manager drafted Christian Hackenberth, and so the general
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manager's signs Colin Kaepernick and he ends up being better
than Colin Kaepernicks. Like general manager's only proving that he
can't draft a quarterback. He's like, look, I'm trying to
develop a guy him and try and get him reps,
try and seeing what he does in the preseason. Same
with the Ram Why went to Ram sign him because
they have Jared Goff, who they invested a number one
overall pick in traded up to get him. Plus they
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have Sean Manion who has never had the peaks of
Colin Kaepernick, but by most people's estimation, Byley's mind, like,
I think they should have gone to him before they
went to Jared Goff last year if they really want
to wretch Jared Goff. And the reason Jared Goff played
last year because he nube overall pick. So I think
the r G three thing is smart. I think it's
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a lot like the Derrick Rose deal. Right when you're
out of the league, the most important thing is you
get back in the league. Instead of being picky about well,
I gotta go somewhere, I'm gonna start right away. I listen.
I when you're initially in the league, or when your
stock is high, that's great. When your stock is low,
just just keep being in the league, just keep an
opportunity will come. But you're more likely to get that
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opportunityhen you're in house and when you're out of house.
That's the same in any business. Like you walk away
from your job, do I want to be picky and
take the next perfect job? The best time to look
for jobs when you have one, make sure you have
because if you're out of work, they're like, well, why
is this guy out of work? Got a great resume,
always been picky. It might be something else to it
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might be something else to it. So I look at
Derrick Rossheim for two million dollars and he turned down
the chance to be a backup with the Lakers, to
be a backup with the Calves. And I'm sure some
of it was he knew everybody in the league would
have taken if he knew there's something up with Kyrie.
But even if they lose Kyrie, they're gonna go out
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and get another point guard, right, Like, they're not depending
on Rose. But I think Roses he understands, like, hey,
if if this works, my next contract, this is what
this is the other part Kaepernick screwed up. Kaepernick's real
screw up wasn't the the anthem protests as much as
it was last year. Before the season, the Broncos wanted him,
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but he was making fourteen and they're like, we'll take
yet seven million dollars. At the time, Gary Kubiak was
your coach. He's a former quarterback, and they're run by
the president of operations is John Elway, former quarterback. They
have a defense that everything they needed outside of a
quarterback in order to at least push for the playoffs
is not be a playoff team. Had he bet on
himself and taken less because the job and not word
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about the bottom line, they will be in the league
super League. And the lesson is take the job, not
the money. Take the job, not the money. It sounds
really easy when we're talking about ridiculous sums of money,
but take the job, not the money, and the money
again depends on the chosen field. Right well, come be
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sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott Leaves
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. It's also
interesting to me that while Lebron gets no blame, so
too does Adam Silver no blame. Adam Silver has been
a pro player commissioner right supporting their uh, their right
to protest social issues, supporting their right to change teams,
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supporting in many ways or not actually criticizing players choosing
to sit out games. Have you ever heard Adam Silver,
the commissioner of the NBA A say hey, this is wrong,
player shouldn't be doing this. Have you ever heard that
come out of his mouth? I haven't. And why is that?
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Because he's a pro player commissioner. That's his bag. When
he came into power, he came in you always go
with the opposite of the guy before you. David Stern
could be seen as at times anti player, pro owner.
He also when Adam Silver took over, he was trying
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to not be Roger Goodell, who was seen as anti player,
pro owner, pro business, not pro individual businessman. Right. He
came in during UH during the Donald Sterling deal with
the l A Clipper. That was his first big move
was to remove May, force him to sell the team,
(39:54):
forced him to sell the team, and I look, look,
it was an obvious decision. It was something that I
I don't think there was any other plan that made
any sort of sense. Because my guess is that as
much vitriol as it was in social media and in
national media, the truth is the reason they made him
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do it was because they were sponsors of NBA teams.
They were corporate sponsors, like, look, we just can't be
associated with this, we just can't. You gotta make him
self the team. But the fact is that Adam Silver
coward to the thoughts and you know, and to the desires,
(40:35):
like an illegally obtained audio tape which did characterize him
as a racist. Although there were actions that Donald certainly
had that you could say wasn't a racist. I don't
like Donald Sterling, but the truth is Donald Stertling made
two billion dollars on sale of a team. Right, He
(40:56):
made off with a ton of money and offering up
no other solution other than, hey, players want him out,
so he's going to be out. Started a path of
every decision he's made for them has been pro player.
And so when players start moving and you're not critical,
and then you factor in, we're in this AU generation
(41:17):
where guys switched teams all the time. How do these
players think that they're bigger than the league because the
owner has essentially told them as such. The media has
told them as such. The same media that's criticizing Kyrie
Irving for wanting his own team, for leaving this team
that's going to compete for a championship, is the same one,
(41:40):
the same one that has empowered him. Right, we got
the transfer generation in college basketball, which comes back from
the AU generation in high school basketball, which feeds all
this movement in the NBA basketball. And then we act
like we're like surprised
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