The Dolphins Considering Cutler Is The Right Move

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Some other things that we often say on this show

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have come to fruition, right that you gotta have a
rabbi in the room. I mean, the discussion now in
Miami is apparently between Jake Cutler and the Miami Dolphins Cutler,
who's uh? Whose tenure as a Fox NFL analyst appears
to possibly uh and before it actually begins. So would

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would he have less time on the job than um?
What's the guy's name? The White House spokesperson retired? Who
is Scarmucci? What's what's what's mooch's first name? Nobody knows much?
Anthony Anthony Scarmucci. He lasted ten days on the job, right,
I don't even I don't. Can J Cutler actually put

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that on his resume? Like I swear I signed a contract,
I was a Fox NFL alist, Like you didn't act
if you don't call a game, but you technically h
our name as a member of the team to call games?
Are you? Can he say I worked at Fox Sports?
Why not? Right? Why not? And it would make sense.

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That's because Adam Gaze coached him in Chicago. He has
He had a very successful run until injury under Gaze.
Gaze leaves. He's now with the Dolphins. The Dolphins need
a quarterback. Here's something else we say often on this show.
No one gets a second opinion on good news, right right?

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Mr Gottlieb, you do not have cancer? Sorry, Doc I'm
gonna have to get a second opinion. Yesterday, the story
was that Ryan Tannehill no structural damage on his knee
on his previously sprained not completely torn a c L
and his knee. Now he's getting a second opinion. As
last night, multiple reports from people who cover the National

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Football League said that the Dolphins fear he's gonna need surgery.
That's because if he doesn't need surgery, why is his
knee giving out when he's scrambling in a no contact drill.
The generally not a good sign, but no one's ever
they on They obviously did not say to Ryan Tannehill,
you're good. He's like, I'm gonna have to get a
second opinion. They're gonna say, we can't find the complete tear,

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but obviously you're not good. We think you need surgery.
I'm gonna get a second opinion. What happens is I
think so often times we make stories about things they're
not actually about. Like I thought that Kaepernick would end
up with the Baltimore Ravens. I did. Now I think
that ship has sailed, not just because the Ravens double

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pumped and they're trying to not upset Joe Flacco who's
got a little bit of a bad back, and they
don't think it's as bad a back as they thought
it might be. And like, if you're Flacco, I don't
want I don't want to. We don't want to quarterback competition.
That's what this is about. This is about when I'm healthy,
it's my team. But then his girlfriend tweets out a
picture essentially drawing a parallel between a slave owner from

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Django Unchained and the owner of the Baltimore Ravens. And
I'm sorry if I'm writing that check, if I'm putting
myself out in the line, I'm not doing it. That
that That is everything in NFL owner fears or wonders
about how it would go. It's not just if you
hired Kaepernick, but if he doesn't play, or if you
cut him. And as much as I was, I was

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guessing that'd be the one place that if they needed
a guy, he would be the guy. Because Greg Romans there,
his Rabbi in the room. Now when they pass, it
should make everyone stand at attention. Like the Dolphins picking
up Cutler makes a ton of sense. I mean, the
exception of the fact that Jacob and Jake Cutler is
a guy that he's the actual opposite of Colin Kaepernick.

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Kaepernick gets signed, some people will be uneasy, but a
lot of people will really champion the mood. Hey, look
at the Dolphins. They're progressive. They're not scared of any attention.
But if you cut him now that are you cutt
him because of the attention? Are you cut him because
he draws a racial divide? Are you cutting him because
of the castro shirt? Like, there'd be an uproar when

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he's cut Jay Cutler. You're signing people like Jay Cutler.
It'd almost be the opposite. When you signed Jay Cutler.
People would love it if you cut Jay Cutler. They
love it you cut Jay Cutler. I don't like that guy.
But Cutler coming back to the NFL when many people
thought he didn't really have the desire to do so,

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reminds me. I saw a comedian and forgive me. If
you can remember the comedian who did this bit a
god blessing, you can. You can tweet me at Godly Show.
Sean Connery is knighted rights, Sir Sean Conray, great actor,
speaking of great the great John Ramos here on the
ones and twos on the board today, ramos, Um, you

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love movies? Are you a big Sean Connery fan? Black
Sean Connery, Yes, Um? Is he your favorite? Double O seven?
He is? Daniel Craigs A close second though, Daniel Craig is. Yeah.
I like him, Yeah, Dan, Daniel Craig is phenomenal. Close second.
I'm trying to think Pierce Braws and no, Roger Moore. No,

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who else am I missing? I think there's one of
the guy in there, Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton. No, yeah,
I'll go. I'm good with that. I'm fair, that's fair.
We're agreeing with there. We agree. Sir Sean Connery played
a dragon in the movie. I think it's called dragon Heart.
Do you remember that Dennis Quaid? Dennis Quaid was in
the movie. I just I heard a comedian do this,

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and so I'm paraphrasing a little bit, But can you
imagine the conversation between the producer and Sir Sean Connery,
har Ole, you are sisters Sean and Connery. You want
me to play what right? Like? I I know, listen,
I know you're one of the most respected tours in
the history of the profession. But we'd really like to

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consider this role. I would not do it. It pairs
how much, right, Like we all have these virtues that
we hold dear, we all have things that we'd like
to pass on. I'm sure Jay Cutler is like, yeah,
you know, I got a wife, I got kids, we
got money. I got this job with Fox. I get
to go to games like wait, I can be the
starting quarterback of the Dolphins who are more than decent,

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Like the Dolphins are actually pretty good. Ryan Tannehill, who
is a much maligned or begrudgingly respected starter with the Dolphins,
coming off his best year. I think he was eight
and five last year before he got hurt. Year before that,
he threw for four thousand yards and kind of broke through,
Like if Ryan Tanner could do it. And I'm Jake
Cutler and I've been in the league a decade plus,
a guy who has a sick offense that I know

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that I don't have to learn new verbiage. I can
just come in smoking Jay Cutler put put it, you know,
and it's a meme. You don't know the internet anyway,
throw the football. I mean, he could be a lot
like Sir Sean Connery. Now I'm not really, you know,
I'm not really into playing football. I'm very excited about
way to pay us how much starting quarterback twelve thirteen
million dollars? Like, there's just there's not anywhere on earth

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that Jake Cutler can make upwards of ten eleven twelve
thirteen million dollars. I don't know what he's making for
being part of the three person booth. That's more an
opportunity job. This is an opportunity plus a very well
compensated job. So we can make the Kaepernet thing about
the cop pig socks or in the case of Miami,

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the castro shirt. But the truth is that when you
when you have a problem and you need a quick solution,
you almost always go with somebody who you've worked with before,
even even like because if I said you trust him, like, well,
why do you trust Jay Cutler? I don't know if
there's a supreme amount of trust. But at least you

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know the best of you know the worst of Jay Cutler. Like,
you don't have to get to know each other, you
already know each other. You know what makes each other tick,
you know what makes like you know what kind of
guy Jake Cutler really is And you know how you
can succeed, and he engaged have succeeded together on some
level previously. So if if Kaepernick is not signed in

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this case, I don't think it has as much to
do with wearing a Fidel Castro T shirt. Fidel Castro
Malcolm X like minds Think alike. I think was the
caption on the T shirt. It doesn't actually matter what
it said, even if it said I hate Fidel Castro.
The image was so strong in a place like Miami,
I'm not sure people care. But the point is, I

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don't think that in this particular instance, is as much
about that as is about Cutler has always had armed talent.
Cutler could have come back in the league as one
of those veteran starters become backups. He didn't want to. Now,
the perfect opportunity at the perfect time, when he still
has time to play his way into shape comes to fruition,
and I think it's gonna be Cutler's job to turn down.

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That's must have mentioned Jay Cutler his exception when he
had an injury. Nobody knew how bad it was back
in the playoffs, going back a couple of years ago.
But if he was Sir Sean Connery. He would say, well,
of course I'll play a drag or that much. Uh boy?
Last night was I guess telling Cowboys Cardinals? Well, preseason

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right like I love it. I'm so fired up. What
are you fired up about? I don't know it just
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coming next. Cowboys didn't show us much. But what can
we expect from Dak year two? I guess the big
question is for a guy who has been in multiple
front offices, has studied this his entire professional life, is

(10:54):
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is it a Vince Young tebow Scott Mitchell? Is it
a backup quarterbacks surrounded by a ton of talent one year? Wonder?
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Let's let's start with the story of last night, more
so than the game, which was the Miami Dolphins. They
thought they dodged a bullet with Tanny Hill not having
structural damage on his knee, but then multip reports are

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they think there's something not right with that knee. He's
gonna need he's gonna need surgery. I said, like, look,
the Cutler thing just makes a lot of sense because
you got you got gays. It's a rabbi in the room.
He knows Cutler, the good, the bad. Cutler knows the system.
He's a veteran he's out there. That just makes a
ton of sense to me. You've been in those discussions.
You know how it actually works. Help us? How does

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this actually work? Well? I think this it's gotta be
a bigger conversation than just hey, here's the starting job
of the Miami Dolphins. Come on, let's go, Jay, give
up your gig at Fox Television and come on join us.
That will always be there. I think the conversation has
to be, Look, Jay, we're building something special here in Miami.
Ryan Downehill has a knee injury. I don't know when
he's gonna come back. Honestly, I have no idea. It

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could be six months, it could be six weeks, you know.
But this team's poised to win a Super Bowl. This
team is poised to compete with the a f C champions,
the New England Patriots. And the only way we're going
to do that is to get really good quarterback and
play something you can give us. It's gotta be a
bigger picture than us, hey be our starting quarterback for
a year, because why would he give up that gig?

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I mean, you know, it's got to be starting money,
and it's gonna be a starting role, and it's gotta
be something bigger than just playing quarterback. It's gotta be
a chance to win a title. And I think that's
where Miami is. I think that's where Adam Gates thinks
he is. Of course they went to the playoffs last year.
Why wouldn't they? Okay, let's let's start with the the
starting money. Like what is starting money to Cutler who
doesn't have a football job? Like, where does that conversation

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even begin? Well, I think it starts with. Look, he's
gonna have to give up something. He's gonna piss off
some people at Fox Sports because he's made a commitment there.
So you're not just gonna do it for you know,
a dollar more than you're making it Fox. I think
it's gonna be maybe a two year commitment. It's got
to be something that shows the kid that you want them. Look,
I think this Tannehill things has got two issues to it.
It's got a physical issue of his knee which he

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didn't get repaired, and then it's got the mental issue.
You know, you play quarterback in the NFL. You've got
to step up in the pocket. You have to drive
the ball with your lower body. If your left knee,
which is your plant foot to throw the football has
been injured, You're worried like hell about people around you.
You're worried about stepping up in the pocket. There's a
mental thing that has to trigger through. Plus, how good

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is Ryan Tannehill? How good do we think he is?
Do we think Jake Cutler is better than Ryan Tannehill?
At times he is, At times he's not Tannehill. At
times shows in the first quarter, when the game is
a little slower, he looks like a good quarterback. When
the game speeds up. In the fourth quarter, on third downs,
on key situations, he looks like an ex receiver trying
to play quarterback. The game doesn't happen as fast. I

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think this is an opportunity for Jay Cutler maybe to
get a job that he can keep longer than just
one year. Yeah, it's it's fascinating from that perspective. Let's
say the Cutler thing, the money doesn't make. They can't
get him completely bought in the idea of leaving Fox behind,
or they can't get completely there in your mind, like, look,
you know how the front offices work, What's what's the

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rest of You don't have just one guy, one target.
What's the rest of the uh list look like, well
I think this. I think look, you know the general
manager on the Chris Greer and then Mike tan Ombamb.
Really they're just gonna throw names. Adam Gaze is a
quarterback coach. He's gonna want to control this search. Okay,
this is what he's about that He's not gonna want

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to go on a recommendation on what tannem Bam might
think or what Chris Greer might think. This is gonna
be all about what Adam Gaze wants. And I think
Stephen Ross would be smart to just listen to what
Gaze wants. That list could include Brett Hunley up at
Green Bay, he's got another two years left on his contract.
It could conclude a J. McCarron at the Cincinnati Bengals
who's got one year left plus a restricted free which

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would be a restricted free agency. So it could be
on someone else's team. It could be somebody that he
that he coached before, whether it's Brock Oswell or he
coached at Denver. One thing about Gates he likes a
certain style of quarterback and I think he believes he
could make the quarterback play better, and that is why
he'll he'll make the list, not Tan, obamaor Grier. One
of the names that you have not mentioned that other

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people kind of need your mentioned is Colin Kaepernick. Set
a side set aside the idea of what you know
his the protests or even he wore the Fidel Castro
t shirt just from stylistic uh point of view, from
how he plays a position to how Adam Gates likes
the position played. Are they a match? Well, look, I
think there's two narratives here. There's the Fidel Castro t

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shirt that's never gonna go over in Miami and shouldn't, okay,
And then there's the other narrative about the player, and
the player hasn't played Wilson's thirteen. Nobody wants to listen
to it, Okay. Everybody wants to blame it on the activism,
which is which is their choice, which is the reason
why he he's out there. But the reality of it
is that you put the game tape on. He's not
a top twenty quarterback. He hasn't played Wilson's thirteen. His

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accuracy has gone down excreasingly. He can't make tight throws,
he doesn't process the field. The offense isn't exactly built
for him. What Jim Harball did with him in thirteen
play action passes throwing up the field, Yeah that worked.
But you know what's happened the guy he traded away,
Alex Smith has had a better years than Chris Colin
Kapper of cast because he's played within the system. I

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I think Kaepernick doesn't fit. Remember this, Adam Gates was
about a day away from being the head coach of
the forty and I'm not sure he would have wanted
Colin Kaepernick to be his quarterback. Mike Lombardi you have
to download his podcast GM Street. You can download plus
follow him on Twitter at m Lombardi NFL. Watch some
of the Cowboys last night, Watch obviously the Cardinals as well,

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and hard for those of us who are layman's to
take a ton from it, um, but I wanted more
your opinion on Dak Prescott and whether or not what
he was able to do last year is replicable this year.
As you said, the windows get tighter, people start to
figure you out. I'm wondering if you believe what we
saw is in fact reality or was it a guy

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who had a great offensive line, had a great running game,
had town all around him, and simply wasn't asked to
do too much last season. You know, I think he's
all those things are true, but I think he really
made a lot of plays. I think he's made clutch plays.
He protected the ball well, he drove the ball down
the field, He was accurate with the football. When he
had to run with the ball and make loose plays
with his feet, he did. I mean, the reason they

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lost to Green Bay wasn't because Dak Prescott didn't play well.
The reason they lost to Green Bay was because their
their defense. What couldn't make a play when they needed
to make one. And now they've lost seven or eight
starters off their defense. They're going to replace those guys.
The key for Dallas look last year their thirteen and three,
two of the losses against the Giants, they swept everybody
else they were able to win. They lost to the

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Eagles in the last game of the season. But the
reality of it is is they're coming back. Everybody's gonna
be gunning for him. He may not be as effective
in terms of wins thirteen that he had last year,
but he may be as effective in terms of his
performance of play. And I think he will be. I
think he's real. I think every week. Last week he's
proved to me he could be for real, and I
think he is um. Yesterday, Tom Brady celebrate his fortieth birthday.

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You spend time in a couple of front offices occupied
by Bill A. Belichick and people close to Bill Belichick.
You know that that that regime owes so well? What
what what do they think? What do people in football
think of the possibility of longevity going beyond anything we've seen?
He's forty. Granted he didn't play the first four games
of last year, which allowed him to be fresher later,

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but there's less contact on quarterbacks and he takes care
of himself as well as you possibly can. Like what
are reasonable expectations for what we know is an eventual decline,
But that eventuality seems to keep betting pushed back further
and further for Tom Brady. You know, it's strange you
would think it would because of the age, but he's
gotten better. I mean, if you would have asked me

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in thirteen, after losing to Denver out in Denver, how
long Tom Brady was gonna play or Peyton Manning was
gonna play? Just Hey, Lombardi maker prediction, who's going to
be in the league longer? I would have said, by
no doubt Peyton Manning would have been. And then we
see Peyton Manning because of the neck injury and some
of the other Precedes stuff that's going on. He his
body broke down and he took care of his body.
It's hard to predict. There's no precedent. What we're seeing

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now is a reflection of the great training, the great
nutrition the players dedicated themselve twelve months out of the year.
I mean, there used to be time when the players
came to training camp to get in shape. Now they're
in shape and they're refining their games. So I think
it's pretty I think it's hard to predict. I do
know this because you're an uncharted warders. You don't know
what's going to happen. And I think that's why they've

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kept Jimmy Garoppolo, because they know he's a good player
and they're not sure what's going to happen moving forward.
And they're right to do that. The Pro Foot Hall
of Fames Class Induction Class two thousand and seventeen. This
is the weekend we celebrated there's a couple of interesting names.
It's Kurt Warner, who had a couple of the greatest
seasons at the time we'd ever seen and is maybe
the greatest story, uh that we've ever seen to become

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a Hall of Famer. But also he had five years
which he was injured and you just couldn't keep him
on the field. It wasn't good and open air quarterback
playing with with the Giants. Then he got Terrell Davis,
who had the two thousand yard season but was playing
behind a ridiculous offensive line in a system that produced
I think seven thousand yard rushers. But he's one of
those guys that people thought for a long time. I
know he didn't have great longevity but won a couple

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of Super Bowls. That guy should you hall of Famer?
Who's who is the non Hall of Famer that benefits
most from the current warners from the Terrell Davis is
getting in that will now get in because they broke through. Well, look,
I mean both of them are unique stories. I worked
I worked out Terrell Davis as a college as a
college prospect and he played almost fullback when he transferred

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from Long Beach. Say, both guys journey to where they've
got to. It's really remarkable and I think you'll see
more of this happen as kids change their look at
Malcolm Butler. He could easily be from a guy who
was going to a triout camp to be him one
of the best corners in the league. And if he
keeps going to Pro Bowls, he could end up going
to the Hall of Fame. But you know this, this
story is remarkable because if you asked Ron Wolf when

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he said when he signed Kurt Warner out of Northern Iowa,
they couldn't get him to throw the ball practice. And
now this guy's going in the Hall of Fame. So
it's about it's really about persistence. It's about diligence, and
it's about passion and loving the game and staying with
it and being in the right place at the right time.
Because what people don't remember, if Trent Breen does get
hurt for the lost St. Louis Rams winner might not

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be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, that's the butter
the butterfly effect, right not but might not have ever
seen a field. I mean, I mean that that team.
I was actually explaining that to Michael's my my producer
floor hand because he's he's fifteen years old. He didn't know.
I was like, hey, you realize they had Mike Mark's
system was kind of ahead of its time. People they're
playing indoors, so they're playing super fast. They had the
best left tackling football. They're the best running back in

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Marshall Falcon football. They had Isaac Bruce, they had Ozi
Kim was their third wide receiver. Ricky pro was their
fourth wide receiver. I mean, they were an absolute loaded team.
And Trent Green was a good quarterback elsewhere. Afterwards, he
didn't get hurt. We may never hear from Kurt Warner. Yeah,
And it's remarkable. And the Rams in the last twenty
six seasons, all those great names you've mentioned, they had
four winning seasons and four i mean four playoff bursts,

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three ten win seasons and one eight and eight seasons.
The Rams are a franchise that people think have been
really good because of all those names you've mentioned, and
then when you look at him over the last twenty
six years, they've had four really good seasons. A last thing,
Odell Beckham Jr. Came out last week and said he
wanted to be the highest paid player in the NFL. Um,
your laugh is the laugh of most front office people

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are like, that's that's that's cute. Um. How do you
if you're in the New York Giants front office, how
do you handle the fact that he's really, really popular,
he's really talented, and you're gonna have to pay him handsomely,
but you also have to control the ego, control the behavior,
and control the salary. How do you handle that? Well,
you've got three years, so he's gonna have he plays

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this year on this contract, Next year they pick up
the option he has that year, and then they have
the franchise. So you have those three numbers together, and
that's what he's gonna earn over three years. And every
dollar you give him above that, now, is that is
something that you should get in return on the contract
as you extended. Look, I respect his thirty five touchdowns.
There's no question that when you look at this player,
he gets the ball in the end zone. He has

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career catches the same amount of catches that Jarvis Landry
has down at Miami Dolphins. Now, Landry average is just
slightly over ten yards of catch. This kid averages four
team I think Beckham's a really good player, but for
this conversation to be talked about is one of the
highest paid players in the league. It just shows you
how we've become a Twitter universe about how people are
just going crazy. I mean, look, did anybody watch the game,

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the playoff game when he didn't make catches and against
the Packers. I mean, your best player has to play
best all the time. And one thing I know about receivers,
and I think receivers are great, but receivers can be
taken out of the game. Quarterbacks can't. That's why they're
the highest paid players. Yeah. My my argument, and again
this is not nearly in depth or insightful in argument,
is yours, Michael. But I said, uh, I said, hey,
the greatest season we've seen in the history of football

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from wide receiver arguably is Calvin Johnson. Right, that team
won four games, whereas when Tom Brady had when Tom
Brady had his best season, his team won sixteen of
sixteen games. If your quarterback has a great season, you
you're gonna have a good season. It's the thirty five touchdowns,
you know. And I think that that certainly needs to
be rewarded. I think it's remarkable, and I think he
has those spectacular plays. But we're such an ESPN highlight

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generation that we remember those great plays that we forget
about the drops. And when you're getting ready to pay
players a lot of money, you can't forget the drops.
Michael Lombardi follow on Twitter at m Lombardi NFL or
listen to his podcast. It's called GM Street. It's a
must download for any football fan. Michael, great catching up
with you. Hope to do it very very soon. Again,
We appreciate you. All right, that's Michael Lombardi. I called

(25:24):
it months ago. It looks like Daddy was right. Uh,
the doctor is in but in a different field. All right,
maybe a little bit too clever to too Yeah, it's
too much, but a little bit. I'll get to it
after we get to Budge Trending. So a couple of
months ago we were talking about Doc Rivers and what
you do if you're the clippers again, part of it,

(25:47):
Timing is everything. Timing is everything, And which you have
to remember about Doc Rivers and how he had complete
and autonomous control of the clippers was why he had
complete and autonomous control of the clippers. Do you remember
why that was better. What happened, Yeah, the old owner,
Donald Sterling, made racist marks on a tape. So when

(26:09):
they needed somebody to run the franchise, like, we gotta
have somebody who's black, and DC Rivers is really well
respected and happens to be black, and we're like, why
we hire somebody else when we can hire Doc. At
the time, it made a ton of sense. They had
a good team. Doc had been around a championship organization,

(26:29):
surround himself with people who knew what he didn't know.
And they go and get Jared Dudley to be a
small forward. That doesn't work. They bail on Jared Dudley
and they start taking on water because it's really really
hard to have four legit starters in the NBA and
not a fifth. And then, as good as JJ Reddick
had been for them, if JJ Reddick is not your

(26:52):
fifth best starter, you're in a little bit of trouble
as far as a championship team. DeAndre Jordan can't shoot
in school or et cetera. And then they had injuries
to in subsequent years that Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.
So the Clippers did exactly what I would do, which
is This is what happened in Seattle with Mike Holgren.

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I remember when Mike Holmegren went to the Super Bowl
with the Seattle Seahawks. Matt Hasselback was his quarterback. You
guys remember that they got They got completely screwed. I mean,
even Pittsburgh Steeler fans will be like, dude, they got
poorly officiated game. Anybody who's anybody who's neutral was like,
don't feel great about the Seahawks. The officiating against the

(27:33):
Seahawks in the Super Bowl, which it was Ben Rothsburg's
first Super Bowl, the best pass throw by Pittsburgh Steeler
was thrown by um, uh, what's the what was the
wide receiver's name? Like quarterback in Indiana, oh Antoine randol
Antoine Randowell. Actually, through Ben Rossberg was had the lowest

(27:54):
quarterback rating of any Super Bowl winning quarterback up until
I think Payton Manning passed it two years ago. That's
how bad Ben Big Ben was in that game. But
the officiate was anyway, When Mike Holmgan finally took Seattle
to the Super Bowl, it's when they took away his
president and general manager duties and he had actually done
he had actually done a pretty good job of drafting

(28:17):
and of signing players. It was just too much. So
that's what see Balmer did with the Clippers quote. I've
owned the team for three years now, and I really
better understand what an owner's responsibility is. And it turns
out that running a franchise and coaching are two enormous
and different jobs. Balmer told Adrian war Zanowski. The notion
that one purpose can one person can fairly focus on

(28:38):
them and give them the attention they need is in
the case to be as good as we can be
to be a championship franchise, we need to functioning, strong
people building teams beneath them. There needs to be a
healthy discussion to debate with two strong, independent minded people.
There are different relationships that a player has with the
coach in front office. Doc put Lawrence. That's Lawrence Thorrence

(28:59):
Frank in charge of the non coaching aspects of the
front office. Last year. He's done a fantastic job. I
want them each to dig in. Lawrence has come on
strong in that role and has helped us go down
that path. This is actually really big for Lawrence Frank.
Do you remember when Lawrence Frank lost his job with
the Brooklyn Nets, Jason Kidd was the head coach and

(29:19):
he was paid a million dollars a year to be
his assistant coach and to be his right hand because
Jason Kid had just come out the court and didn't
know what he's doing, and I guess Lawrence Frank overstepped
his bounds. Jason Kidd said he can follow a report
once a week, so he got paid for the year,
and then he came order to join the Clippers. Um

(29:39):
the Clippers, of course, to the second organization to make
this move, the Hawks remove the president tag from Mike Bounozer.
That wouldn't do work with the Hawks. Just too much.
It's just too much. Can't be salesman and sales manager.
Can't you can't be a program director and on their host? Right?
What what romos your program? No? No? So why so

(30:02):
why do we keep doing it? Then? Why is it
keep being done? You've stated it right now, it's too
much to work. That Bamber just said right now, Yeah,
this is too much work. But yet people still keep
handing president, general manager, head coach jobs because you can't
get guys to stay unless you give them that title. Right,
That's what happens like I'm gonna leave, like all right,
we'll give you another title, and then it becomes the

(30:24):
Peter principal as well. You know Peter principal. Peter principal
is it's a business principle where you're advanced beyond beyond
your level of competency. You know Phil Jackson, right, Like
why why did the Knicks hire Phil Jackson's present because
it couldn't get to be coach? They want to be coached,

(30:45):
Like I don't want to coach, I'll be president. Like okay,
sure that makes sense, makes sense? I don't know. And
you know, like, look, owners no business, they know their
own business. Us they don't necessarily know the basketball business.
And Steve Bombers like all right now I got a
little bit better sense. That's really hard to do. And look,

(31:07):
some of this is on Doc Rivers, like he should
have brought in and brought a complete structure of other
people underneath him. Hey, I i'd like to I want
to be president. I want to make have the ultimate
decision making on on personnel and on contracts and all
that stuff. But I need a whole group over there.
And then I needed somebody to be the leader over there,
which is probably what he's done. Right, Like Lawrence Frank
is a former NBA head coach. They do have a

(31:29):
good relationship and so he the end of the day,
the buck still probably stops with Doc Rivers. But I mean,
this is no different than I had this conversation. I
had this conversation with a buddy of mine who hosts
another radio show, and he's like, oh, man, you know
my co host one of my I was like, well,
I'm not really co host there, more of a sidekick.

(31:49):
All right. My sidekick wanted this, and my producer wanted that,
And I said, well, you know, like every once in
a while, you have to just remember to remind them,
like nicely whose names on the show. Like, ultimately, the
buck stops some somebody has to make the final decision,
and you've gotta feel good about it because it's your show.
It's the same thing with DCRs, Like he's got to
feel good about it, and I'm sure he'll make final decision.

(32:10):
But it's a lot. Why do we keep doing it
the same reason we do anything with giving people new
It's a way to pay people more money. That's it.
That's it. It's like one of the problems. Um. One
of the problems that my one of my previous places
of employment is that guys are really good radio producers

(32:31):
and some of them are great managers. And what happens
is they go like associate producer producer, one producer too,
and then maybe they become executive producer and they have
some management. Then they're like a program director and they
don't get to produce anymore. When they're really good, when
they're in the slop, you know, they're making calls, they're
talking about content, they're involved daily basis. Some people are
wired for management, but some people are not. And it's

(32:55):
not really their fault, but the only reason that the
only way to keep around and to pay them enough
money based on how we structure things in corporate environment
is well, like I don't care how gonna produce her
is he's not worth that much. He actually is, but
only in that role. So not everybody can be Tristan
Thompson to make ten million dollars to be a star

(33:16):
role player, right, you know, don't shoot, don't dribble pass
every time you get it unless you're around the hoop,
and then just dunk everything and try and block shots, right,
and that's like, I mean, Dan Buyer. You'll hear him
this weekend, UM on Sunday right on Fox Sports Radio.
I wake up Sunday mornings. I always listen to Dan
Buyer because it's great to hear him in this chair

(33:38):
offering his own perspective. But it's like, well, he's awesome
doing trending and doing our updates, Like yeah, but you
can't make what he wants to make when he's just
doing that right here, I am pleading for more money
for Buyer, pleading for more money for Ramos. Keep leading, please,

(33:59):
it looks like I'm the only one. You were asleep
five minutes ago. You could just you could just join us.
Alex uh says he's learned his lesson. Do you believe him?
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Doug got them show. Fox Sports Radio got lots of
stuff to get to. Um, you know what, Let's play
a game called Psychic Reach into Godly Sack. My sack

(34:43):
of games is h sitting next to Dan Buyer. I
already know it's psychic because, um, well, I'm psychic. Well, Doug,
I know your name is on the show, but John
and I discussed let's continue to talk about last segment
and giving us raises, you know which yould maybe carry
that over? Um, No, what do we got in the sack? Yeah?
See Doug new all along. Okay, let's start with the NFL.
The Pittsburgh Post Gazette say Steeler's wide receiver Martavis Bryant

(35:06):
has not satisfied the NFL's requirements for full reinstatement. This
piping conditionally reinstated all the way back in April. Now, psychic,
will these Steelers have wide receiver Martavis Bryant for Week
one of the NFL season. Yes, yes, I think they're
making him prob before he walks. I think they're making
his extra slow, extra painful because, as I as I

(35:29):
informed people yesterday, failing the marijuana test or being in
the program for marijuana in the NFL is means you're
failing an intelligence test, not a drug test. If you
pass the initial test, the initial test, there is no
subsequent testing, and when you fail that initial test, you're
it's either hubris, you know, arrogance or stupidity or or addiction,

(35:55):
which people are like, I'm not addicted to weed. I
just really really like it needed all the time. Whatever,
uh point is? I just I think the NFL is
making it really really hard to get it, to get
him on the football field, to make sure. And I
actually I though the Steelers hate it, I think they
probably on some levels like it because they don't want

(36:15):
to invest in him in terms of their season plans
unless they know that they're definitely gonna have. Moving on
to the NBA, NIX forward Christops Porzingis told NBA dot
Com he's been studying film of the greats in the
off season, and by that, I mean he's been studying
the trash talk of Connor McGregor, so psychic. Will McGregor's
trash talk help Porzingis get a mental edge over opponents

(36:37):
next season? No, No, that's not the guy. I mean
even that's not the trash I always say him. I
would be following the trash talk of Larry Bird. Right,
that's the best white guy NBA trash talker. I'm gonna
get it right here, and I'm gonna shoot it and
make it in your face. And they do, and they
do it. Go to the three point shooting contest, walk
into the locker room, which one of you guys is

(37:00):
getting second? I go with Larry Legend. Don't go with
Connor McGregor. Sticking to basketball kind of. Steph Curry didn't
finish the first round of the LM Classic in last place.
And now with the second round under way and with
one d and fifty four players now in the field
because two dropped out, Curry starts today in one and
thirty sixth place, So Doug will Steph Curry actually finished

(37:22):
in the top one forty in the web dot Com event. Uh,
he was at four in and right now he's in
one hundred and thirty sixth place. Yes, yes, I think
he'll close with the flourish. I think he'll finish under
one alright. Alex Rodriguez told The Hollywood Reporter that looking
back ten years from now, is ban could turn out

(37:44):
to be one of the best things to happen in
his life. So in ten years, will A rod continue
to believe the two hundred and eleven game suspension was
a good thing? Um? Yeah, you know. He actually just
tweeted out a picture of him and in j Lo
taking a walk in New York City, I mean, those

(38:05):
are two Those are two people that have gone through
She's never really had a bad image, but I think
if you paid attention to, like is them something kind
of off there and then but now but they're both
kind of experiencing like life. To point out like, for
alex Ardriguez has gotta be good for him because now
he's dating somebody who's a much bigger star than he
ever was. It's gotta be weird, like he's he's the

(38:27):
I Candy um anyway, and she's young. She's much younger
than Madonna. The Madonna thing was weird. Donal thing was weird. Um. Yeah,
I think, like I if he really gets real and
he realized that he was like a jerk and arrogant
and and surrounded himself with sickophants and went to Mike
Frances and then lied about everything that went on, I guess.

(38:50):
I guess. So, uh, final one will the term of
the mayor and McIntyre Iowa be raised to from four
years or from two years to four The reason I
asked Doug is because they had a vote on it
this week and ten people in the town no one
showed up to vote, So absolutely no one showed up
to vote on if the mayorial term in McIntire, Iowa

(39:11):
should be from two to four. So I figured I
just leave it up to psyche. It should not because
all one person to do is the mayor. Why didn't
you show up? That was Scott leap Sacks. All right,
we got a home run in Chicago and it's not
hit by a cub. We'll get you an update on that.
Jerry Jones is great, but a Hall of famer. We
discussed next. What up? It's Doug gott Leave show, Fox

(39:34):
Sports Radio. Mike Trout's gonna join us in an hour,
in fifteen minutes. That would be the best player in baseball,
the reigning n L m v P. He has uh.
He has hit safely in thirteen of the fifteen games
since he returned from a stint on the d L.

(39:54):
Mike Trout Angels All Star two time m v P
joins us in an our and fifteen minutes. Dabbos Sweeney,
I'm gonna join us in fifteen minutes? Is that right?
Thirty minutes? Dabbo s wwhinny, head coach of defending national
champion Clemson, gonna join us in thirty minutes. So we

(40:16):
got star studded lineup are my thanks to Cindy Katz
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podcasts are are your podcasts are available. Uh This weekend

(40:38):
is Hall of Fame weekend, and I've I've told people
this for like part of it is I know Kurt Warner,
and I like Kurt Warner, and I love Kurt Warner story.
So I'm always conflicted on the Kurt Warner Hall of
Fame deal. I just am because normally, like once you
become a Hall of Famer, like if you're really great,

(41:00):
aren't you great the whole time? Like right, like, aren't
your great? Even he look? Um. Michael Jackson, the albums
after he parted with Quincy Jones weren't as good. I
think the great songs were earlier in his career up
until the Bad album and then it was very very

(41:21):
hit or miss. And you know, once he didn't have
one of the world's great producers. His songs weren't as good,
but you could still hear greatness at in moments black
or white, some of the other um, some of there's
some of the other songs in which you can still
hear his voice end and know his talent still existed.

(41:44):
And my point is it's a weird comparison Kurt Word
of Michael Jackson. But still my point is that that
wasn't really the case with Kurt Warner. It wasn't just
about getting an opportunity. It was about he had to
get an opportunity in the right place. So Kurt Warner,
for people, for forget um, played in Northern Iowa. He

(42:07):
did play in they used to have the uh European
League at the Global League in the NFL, and he
played arena football, but he wasn't He was on the
rams as a backup or even a third stringer. Going
back to that was when he was twenty seven years old.
He was twenty eight and right around this time, Trent

(42:30):
Green got hurt towards his a c L and I
think with the first or second preseason game, and so
they were scouring looking for another quarterback. He steps in
and Engineers a thirteen and three season with forty one touchdowns.
He led the league in completion percentage, He led the
league in touchdown percentage, he led the league in h

(42:52):
yards per game rate UM, and it was simply remarkable. Remarkable.
Then next season, again led the league in completion percentage,
although he did not he was hurt. He didn't play
the whole season. And then in his third season he
was the NFL's m v P. They went fourteen and two.
They lost in that Super Bowl to the Newingham Patriots.

(43:16):
He led the league in completion percentage, in yards um
and had what was it, thirty six touchdowns We did
through two picks. So if somebody is really great, shouldn't
they remain as great? Then he suffered through injury, plague, seasons,
bad defense, and frankly, just terrible play. His last two

(43:37):
years in in St. Louis, he was oh and seven
as a starting quarterback and seven as a starter. Then
he went to the New York Giants, where he started
as they had drafted Eli Manning, and that didn't work.
Part of it was he wasn't healthy, part of it
was he wasn't good. He was five and four and
started six touchdowns, four interceptions, went to Arizona started a

(44:00):
little bit. They were two and eight. Then he was
a backup at thirty five, at thirty At thirty six
he got another opportunity because Matt Lener got hurt. He
threw twenty seven touchdowns and third and uh seventeen receptions.
At thirty seven years old. He took him to a
Super Bowl, but there were only a nine and seven team,

(44:22):
thirty touchdowns, fourteen receptions. But the you would think if
he was one of the all time greats, like he
would be great all time, but he wasn't. So Kurent
Warner's getting into the Hall of Fame because Arizona was
so bad before him, and they were so good with him,

(44:43):
and because St. Louis was so bad before Hi Man
so good with him. But if you're at all, it's
a it's a hard argument to make to go like, well,
he's one of the great If you're one of the greats, ever,
aren't you at least at least decent everywhere you go?
I mean, he wasn't decent. He couldn't stay on the field,
couldn't planners say, couldn't play an open air. But he

(45:06):
had a couple of the greatest seasons in the history
of the league. Like to me, what I think this
this year's NFL drafts. Jason Taylor classy? God, he doesn't.
I mean, he didn't look like he's aged. Like how
old Jason Taylor he looks? I mean, I don't know
many guys that are retired to look as good as
Jason Taylor. I do. It's crazy good looking. I'm jealous.

(45:30):
But him and Terrell Davis, I think the NFL has
figured out, Hey, you know what, if you're great for
a short period of time, like if I'm Priest Holmes,
I feel really good about the possibility that I might
get in some day. Problem with Priest Thomas didn't win
anything in the playoffs as opposed to Terrell Davis's Bronco teams,
as opposed to Kurt Warner's Arizona Cardinals team. If not

(45:55):
for the story of Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner Hall of Famer,
I mean I really not really, but that is part
of the story. And then you have Jerry Jones. I'm

(46:18):
into Hall of Fames now, they're both Jewish sports Hall
of Fames, but there are two more Hall of Fames
than most of you. So I don't take it as
a slight that I'm into hall of fames. But I'm
into hall of fames. And one of the things that
I found interesting, whether or not it's a Hall of
Fame or it's uh uh, there's a couple events that
I am c to which you'll have people that have

(46:41):
legitimate successes in sports and in life that get recognized,
and then you'll have a guy that wrote the biggest
check to the foundation to get recognized. That's what it
feels like with Jerry Jones. Like, look, I do think
that Jerry Jones has done some things in business. Remember
before he took over the Dallas Cowboys, they were run

(47:01):
as just a football team, whereas he turned them into
a business. They were the first to have sponsorship and
signage and and and get the get the the stadium named.
And you know, he's expanded in so many ways the
spectrum of business the Dallas Cowboys are in, and he's
helped influence the rest of the league. So he's like
an NFL business Hall of Famer. But to be an

(47:25):
actual Hall of Famer seems weird. Right to take one
of the iconic sports franchises and for twenty years, they
couldn't do anything in the playoffs. I'll grant you the
Dallas Cowboys are a financial success, but shouldn't the h
and shouldn't whether or not you're be in the Hall
of Fame. Shouldn't that have to do at least on

(47:47):
some level with how the team does. That one strikes
me as weird, and then I look around other Hall
of Fames and like, damn, maybe not that weird. I'm
not saying he wrote the biggest check, but the fact
is he brought in some of the biggest checks, and
so that gets recognized. So gonna take Tara Jerry, But
Jerry Jones becomes a Hall of Famer like the best

(48:09):
teams he ever had. He fought constantly with Jimmy Johnson
and then ran Jimmy Johnson out of town and they
were never really the same ever since. So I yeah,
I don't know, and I do in fact like Jerry Jones. Um.

(48:33):
The one thing he's called a lot of heat for
recently is when he said there's no evidence of domestic
violence of domestic violence issue with Zeki Elliott. Of course,
that causes social media too to make a stir, and
even I said you could have worded it better. I'm like,
I think what he should what what the What the

(48:54):
owner should have said is listen, we've researched this, we've investigated,
we've hired our best people, and to this point, we
haven't been able to obtain any information which which leads
us to believe that there's anything, that there's any evidence
of domestic violence. Instead, he just said there's no and
and there's no evidence of domestic violence. Like Jerry Jones

(49:18):
is bold. He gets to the Cowboys and almost his
first order business is to get rid of Tom Landry,
legendary head coach, to to uh modernize the Dallas Cowboys,
modernize the way they run, turned them into a business.
Hired Jimmy Johnson. They were the first team to truly tank.
They were the first team to get bad before they

(49:39):
got really really good. And they were one of the
first teams to realize what jersey you wear, when you
wear them is important in terms of how much you
sell them. Like all of that stuff works. I just
I don't know. I mean, it's like business Hall of
Famers that the Hall of Fame in can't ohio, I guess,

(50:01):
but don't we hold the fact that the Cowboys haven't
been able to achieve much on the football field, don't
we hold some of that against them? Do you guys
watched last night? Watch the whole game bost of it?

(50:22):
I did. I only watched part of it, like the
first half. Really yeah, I mean that's it's the preseason
football game, you know, prec You know NFL teams this
year they have ninety guys and they're not there's no cutdown.
There used to be a cutdown midway through. So I'm
telling you if you can, if you can name more

(50:43):
than two starters in a no in a fourth preseason
game this year, because remember the third game is the
dress rehearsal game, the fourth game is not. Last year,
they would have seventy five guys on the roster for
the fourth game and cut down to fifty three. This year,
they'll have ninety guys on the roster to cut down
to fifty three. So you won't see anybody who's gonna

(51:06):
be You might see one or two guys who are
actually on the active roster get a chance to play,
and those are most likely the kickers or punters. I
bet you Dan Buyer probably could. It went went in
the in the last preseason game, Dan, you think you could.
I watched less than both of you guys last night.
I was excited for it and saw about ten minutes. Yeah.

(51:27):
It's one of those things around, like super super exciting,
like oh yeah, yeah, to see the graphics in the
uniforms and the helmets. And then obviously you watch about
three plays and you're like, I don't know who number
thirty six is on the Cardinals. What's Bobby Flay beating today?
Who's he beating? Yeah? You like your Bobby Flay guy?
Just Food Network Thursday night? I like. I like Food Network.

(51:47):
I do. I do as well. Sports are fascinating because, um,
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(52:11):
Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Half full or half empty?
You half full or half to empty? Uh, I'm ramos,
I'm guessing your half half full? Right, half full sounds
good to meet, Doug. What about you music? You have
full or half empty? Half full? There was a little
bit of a stutter there right there. Half half. I
thought about it and I decided, you know, it's Friday,

(52:34):
let's be let's be an onli No, not not none
of your Are you an optimist on a daily basis?
I would say half full on a daily basis? Uh,
Dan Buyer, I saw him just walking into his studio.
I'm not sure, Dan, are you a half full or
half empty? I'm usually half empty? Why? I don't know,
just it's just my nature. Yeah. Um, but your teams

(52:55):
are miss here at least if I get this right right. Seahawks, Yes, Brewers,
s Uh, Bucks, there you go. Yeah, okay, so those
are your your teams? Yes? Um. Your thoughts on the
Seahawks upcoming season. I don't think that they're going to
be as good as people think they are. I don't
think that they're I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender.

(53:16):
I think all of what do you think? What do
they about the Bucks? What they've been able to do
with the out can Um, it's been somewhat quiet. Um.
I don't know how much they've really they've moved up
just because everybody else has moved down, Like the Hawks
have dropped, but they're still about a five in the East.
Kind of a kind of a it's kind of a

(53:37):
half full guy, right, Like you say, you know, and
he's like, you're resigning, like you know, the Brewers just
it was Cubs. Yeah, Cubs are Cubs just bound to
be better than us at some point. They spend more money,
They're going to be good while it lasted. I think,
you know, last night it's a perfect example. Um or yesterday.

(54:00):
Esterday in totality is the perfect example. Like college football
rankings come out, people get super excited, super hopeful. NFL
preseason comes out, people get super excited, super hopeful. You know,
I think sports is almost the opposite of politics. For
politics we always expect the worst, whereas sports we kind

(54:22):
of expect the best. We just always think there's our
new root, recruit, new signe, there's a new life and
new hope, a new chance. Like your teams stise things
like no, no, no, this year you think that comes fans.
Next year is gonna be our year. I don't know.
I watched the preseason game last night, and I was

(54:42):
just thinking to myself, you know, you start talking about
all these teams, and if you only talk about the positives,
you're like, wow, they could be really good. Arizona Cardinals.
Why not We had Bruce arians on a couple weeks ago,
Carson Palmer back there, Fitzgerald back, you know, David Johnson back, Uh,
why not? Like, yeah, David Johnson got hurt last year.

(55:05):
Carson Palmer hasn't been nearly as good since the knee
injury or since getting kind of exposed in the playoffs
a couple of years ago. Larry Fitzgerald has been great
and kind of the second life. But once you start
talking about retirement, and they lost four starters on defense
and they weren't particularly good last year. But if I
only sold you on the positives, which is I don't know.

(55:26):
I feel like sports generally is different now once the
games start, now a sudden, those old habits, teams that
find ways to lose it it. It starts bringing back
up all those old memories. But I think sports in
the non conference, in the preseason, in the early part
of the year, in recruiting, we're super super positive, super positive.

(55:51):
But am I the only one. Couldn't be the only
one o the side. Maybe it's it's how it's marketed.
Maybe it's the hope, like or here's one. Is that

(56:12):
NFL commercial where they're all diving into the end zone
scoring touchdowns? Like Wow, yeah NFL, it's like it's all
highlights and fun. Then you're like, you forget that. Like
NFL games can be a little bit boring. They can
be not so much fun. There's some bad teams out there,
some really really bad teams out there, really bad gus

(56:32):
see this story, Um, this is actually this is the
opposite of a sentence. Now look for the record. I
wasn't working here when the Charles Oakley thing took place,
but I wasn't as pro okly as everybody else, right, Like,
they wouldn't have gone after and tried to remove Oakley
unless he was doing and saying something that caused him

(56:54):
to have to be removed. So former New York Knicks
great Charles Oakley on Friday accepted a deal to have
charges stemming from a February incident dismissed, but he left
open the possibility of pursuing civil action against James Dolan.
Oakley was arrested and run in with MSG Security on
February eighth, charge with two misdemeanor counts of as salt,
one misdemeanor count of aggravated harrassment, and one misdemeanor count

(57:18):
of trespassing. He was also cited for two additional accounts
of harrassment and that are considered to be non criminal violations.
On Friday, a DA that's Assistant District Attorney Ryan Leaps
offered Oakley a deal and a German in in uh
contemplation of dismissal that will lead to the chargers being

(57:41):
dropped if he stays out of trouble for six months
and complies with the condition that prohibits Oakley's from trespassing
at Madison Square Garden for one year. Oakley declined comment
when asked about the trespassing condition, but he said in
court he has no plans to go to MSG with
the conditions were announced. His atourney said the garden was
wrong for the way they treat him. He doesn't need

(58:02):
a trial to prove that. Actually he kind of does.
Like if he wanted to be completely vindicated, then he
should have gone to trial. Otherwise, this leaves me to
believe as I've always believed that James Dolan was wrong
to have him removed, But he wasn't really wrong to
have him removed. It was the way in which they
did it, and it was the fact that, uh, they

(58:22):
confronted him in a very public place instead of and
I know they tried to simply ask him to come along,
you know, come with them, and then they wanted to
talk to him, which is when they wanted to eject him.
But I just I don't think you plead out on
something that you didn't do, do you not in that situation?

(58:43):
I don't think, I mean because because of the nature
of that. I mean maybe in other cases where they're like, look, man,
I know you're saying you didn't do it, but they
got like your fingerprints on the gun. It doesn't look
good man, something like that. Right, But that's what I'm
saying that you only you only plead out if you
did it. So if you say, like, I absolutely didn't
nothing wrong, right, Like I didn't do anything. I was
just sitting Yeah, why are you accepting this plea deal?

(59:05):
If I did nothing wrong? He did something that. Look,
two wrongs don't make a right, Huh. Three rights make
a left. Isn't it three rights? Pay it left? My
favorite line is two fives make a ten, so does
five twos. I like that as well anyway, But I

(59:28):
just now look, here's part of his sentences. He can't
go to Madison Square Garden. Like, okay, I love the
idea that you can go there with a ticket and
you can still be charged with trespassing. Think about that.
How does that work? I don't know. That's kind of
like when you like, you know, you can't if some
if you leave a bar after drinking but you don't

(59:48):
get behind the wheel drunk, you can get arrested for
public in talks even if you're going to um between
the leaving the bar and going into your car, technically
your public public in talks, like it's actually illegal. But
I don't understand, Like, how are you supposed to get
home if you're not driving. You can arrested republic in
talks simply standing there waiting for a cab orn uber

(01:00:10):
you're swaying back and forth or whatever. It doesn't happen
unless they really want. But this is a lot like trespassing,
Like way I was trespassing, I had a ticket. If
you actually read the fine print of a ticket. Yeah,
you can't be a rested for trespassing even though you
both the ticket. If they asked you to leave, I
gave you money. You said I could come inside. No,
no, no no, you're not allowed here anymore. I know, and

(01:00:31):
they don't and they don't have to give you their
money back. It's a fine print, man. That's like the
credit card you buy with zero point zero percent interest
and then the second month they hit you with eighteen
point nine percent interest. Dabo is Sweeney around the corner. First,
let's find out what's going on in the world of sports.
Here's its trending Doug Otlive Show, Fox Sports Radio. M

(01:00:52):
m m m m m m m m m m m.
Always interesting to see what happens when you have that
that signature player that leaves. And what I would guess
is gonna happen with Clemson football and look, in fairness,
it's like DeAndre Hopkins has come out and said DeAndre Hopkins,
former Clemson Foall player, has come out and said that

(01:01:13):
even though UM, even though they were able to go
out and get you know, Clemson's starting quarterback from last year,
you know, to be their guy, DeAndre Hopkins is saying
that Tom Savage should be their starting quarterback if anybody,
if anybody, should should be the judge of quarterbacks. I
played with most quarterbacks in NFL history through my first

(01:01:34):
four years. That's DeAndre Hopkins. So I put my stamp
on Savage, and I think that's all that needs to
be said by that. Wow, it's a strong statement. Remember
they drafted Deshaun Watson, moved up to get him in
the first round, and people like, oh, Deshaun Watson is
going to be a starter. But Deshaun Watson has a
lot to learn in regards to playing in the National

(01:01:54):
Football League. Hopkins said, I played with at least ten quarterbacks.
So because of what Savage does well, what he can
do this team, I know he can help us win
and we want to win. He does everything well. He's
a student of the game from just being on the
bench watching learning from other people's mistakes and seeing what
they've done wrong. He can put the ball in any place.
He has a strong armies a knowledge of the offense,
and he's been in the offense for his entire career.

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I wouldn't say I was frustrated. DeAndre Hopkins said, we
were winning. Uh, We didn't win the ultimate goal, but
we gave the Patriots one of their closest games the
whole season and then the biggest challenge that they had.
So I would be it would be selfish on my
part if I said I was selfish with my team
going to the second round of the playoffs and almost
being the Patriots. But I know we have a great team,

(01:02:36):
my teammates, those guys that count on me to come
here make this team get better. Guys like Lamar Miller
and j. J. Watt want to win a championship and
uh and I know for them to be able to
do that, I have to be able to come out
of here and help those guys do it. So you know,
the other fifty two players on the team, they depend
on me. That's why I'm here. DeAndre Hopkins like I

(01:02:59):
love Deshaw Watson. Tom Savage should be our guy. Nobody
knows quarterbacks like me. I've played with a bunch of quarterbacks.
That's the guy surprising. But what I was getting what
I was getting at is Clemson has been loaded with
talent really since Dabbo took over, but Deshaun Watson kind

(01:03:20):
of elevated them, and that was really the expectations when
they when they when they signed him, and to live
up to and possibly exceed anybody's reasonable expectations. Like I
think it's reasonable that that Deshaun Watson would take them
to new heights. But to say, like, all right, he's
gonna win us our first National champions of games since

(01:03:40):
nineteen eighty when he got there like that, those are
almost unreasonable expectations. He accomplished them. But the question for
Clemson is, all right, now, quarterback situation, lofty expectations. Now
you're trying to become a brand name in the sport?
Can you do it after losing your signature player and
losing Mike Williams of course, of the first on traff Pick,
another Clemson wide receiver going off to the NFL. Let's

(01:04:04):
catch up with the head coach of defending national champs,
Dabo Sweeney, our guest on the Doug Gotlip Show. Coach,
how are you. I'm great, Thank you, I'm doing really
really well. Um. Look, I mentioned that Deshaun achieved anything
that anyone could have possibly hoped for him in his career,
even coming back from the knee injury to then lead
you to back to back playoffs and then into the

(01:04:25):
national championship. Um. But but how do you how do
you come down off that high? If you will and
and continue this path of the program becoming more of
just a brand name in the A c C, a
brand name nationally, of constantly being a threat to win
the thing. Yeah, well, we just do what we always do.
I mean, we're going for our seventh ten plus win

(01:04:46):
season in a row. So, I mean it's hard to
win national championships and and our goal is always to
be just incredibly consistent. And Uh. In order to do that,
for us, we start over every year. So when you say,
how do you come down from that? Unfortunately? Uh, you
you get back to work and you and you start
watching the tape and you're like, god, man, we stunk

(01:05:07):
in that area. We gotta we gotta get better. There's
so much to improve when you start self evaluating and
studying your season, and you know you may have lost
the game but played well, or you may have won
a game and played like craps. So for us that
we start over every year and evaluate everything we do. Uh,
and then we reinstill saw the program, the core values,

(01:05:29):
and we make sure that everybody in this program, understands
or why why we do what we do? Uh, not
just what we do or how we do it, but
most importantly why we do what we do in our program.
And everybody's got to take ownership of that. And the
only way that can happen is you have to articulate it.
You've got it because you're you have people coming and

(01:05:51):
going every year. And so if you just if you
don't do that and you just assume that it's just
gonna carry over, well you're you're gonna you're not gonna
have the consistency that that you need. So for us,
we start over. Uh, we you self evaluate, we evaluate
the whole program and and then we figure out our
our path on how we're gonna get better. And then

(01:06:12):
we start open and we go back to work and hey,
we we get into those Matt drills and offseason program.
It's a high level of accountability. We we nurture and
develop leadership on this team and and uh and it's
just very competitive. So um, you know, that's what we do.
And it's always about what's next. You know, we we
have a windshield mentality. It's always about what's in front

(01:06:34):
of us. You know, Hey, it's great what's behind us,
But whether it's good or whether it's bad, that's not
gonna have anything to do with where we are now.
We enjoyed the journey last year, but this is a
new one and we're right back at the bottom of
the mountain with everybody else. Um, you know, you don't
get to stay there. But but we do have a
path over the last eight years that we've that we've paved,

(01:06:56):
so we we've got a path. You just gotta be
willing to put the work in. Let's start with the
offensive average thirty nine point two points a game last year,
over five hundred yards of offense. It wasn't just you know,
Deshaun Watson. Uh, it was Wayne Goldman, it was Mike Williams,
it was Jordan Leggat. I mean you had some dudes
and some guys with a ton of experience quarterback. I

(01:07:18):
mean right, like, Deshawn's gone, what are you gonna do
at quarterback? Yeah, well you go recruit, you know. And
Tas Boyd was winning his quarterback in school history and
when he left, it was like what do you do
with Tas Boyd gone? I'm like, well, we got some
guy named DeShawn Watson. We think he's gonna be pretty good.
So you go recruit. When when Vick Beasley went to
the NFL, here with Shack Lawson, and you know, it's

(01:07:40):
just the good news is is everybody talks about who's gone,
But man, I'm so excited about who's here. We we
got every offensive lineman back except one. I think we've
got a chance to be better on defense than we
were last year. Uh So I'm excited about all those guys.
And and there's no question we we've we got a

(01:08:00):
new quarterback, and and I love our running backs. We've
got three running backs that are that are going to
be outstanding. We've got outstanding skilled receiver even though we
lost Mike. Mike didn't play the year before when we
went to the National Championship first. So we we got
a lot of experience, a lot of guys. But we're
gonna be led up front. Whoever wins that quarterback job
is going to have very good pieces around him. But

(01:08:23):
to answer your question, is you go recruit, and we've
signed guys. We've got three quarterbacks that are really competing
for this job, and and they were signed because they
fit what we do. And we felt like they could
be special, and all we need them to be is
the best version of them. We don't need anybody to
be Seawn. He was who he was. We just need

(01:08:43):
Kelly Bryant or Zeriic Cooper or Hunter Johnson to be
the best version of themselves and uh, we'll be just fine. Okay. So, like, look,
you have this almost decade long run of success of
ten wins seasons. Uh, you won a national championship. You've
been in two college football playoffs. So if you I
I'm not saying you sacrifice the game, but it's not
like you open up the season with Patsy's now right. Um,

(01:09:07):
so you you do have the chance. Kelly Bryantson Jr.
He's been in the system. You would think he would
handle the live bullets a little bit more easily early,
as opposed to Cooper and even Hunter Johnson who enrolled
early like younger guys. In your mind, do you simply
award the winner based upon the competition or do you
do you you put the guy behind or under center

(01:09:29):
because he has the greater upside even if he's not
as good out of the shoot. Now potential will get
you fired. Uh, this is a game of performance. And
the culture of our program is you get what you earned. Uh,
there's no entitlement. Uh. You know all that all them,
all them rankings and all that stuff. You know, that's
all based on potential. You know, all the you know,

(01:09:50):
preseason rankings of your team, preseason rankings of all conference stuff,
that stuff that matters. When it matters is November and
and for us and where we are right now, what
matters is what happens on this field. Otherwise why I
go practice? You know, if we're just going to anoint people,
you gotta earn it. You know, Deshaun Watson had to
come in here and earn it. He had to beat

(01:10:11):
Cole stout out and he did. Um. And so for us,
that's why the NFL they have four preseason games, because
they need to go play and they need to figure
things out, and they got to put guys in situations live.
We don't get that opportunity in college. We're the only
level of football that doesn't have preseason games jamorees or something.
You know, all we got to each other. All we

(01:10:32):
can do is practice. So the first time that anybody
really gets to play live is your first game. Um,
but so sometimes it gets settled on your practice field.
Sometimes it spills over into the season. I don't really
know what's gonna happen. Kelly bryant Is is certainly not annointed.
He came out of spring practice as the number one

(01:10:52):
guy and then Zeek. But Zeek and Hunter it was
their fresh first exposure. So now they've gone and worked
all summer, so as Kelly. So we've had one day
of practice. They all have pretty day good to me yesterday.
So it's gonna be a fun camp. But we're gonna
grade everything, evaluate everything, and whoever has earned it on
this practice field in our eyes, we'll have the opportunity

(01:11:13):
to go start. But it's not a lifetime contract, you know,
you it's a game of performance, so you have to
go and perform. And so you know, hopefully whoever wins
the job will do great, but you know, if not,
you you've got to continue to give guys opportunities to compete,
and to be honest with you, no matter who wins
the job, we're gonna have to play more than one
guy because nobody has any experience, So we've got to

(01:11:36):
develop find a way to develop some experience. Early part
of the season, and you got Kent State to start
for then Auburn at Louisville, Boston College at home, and
at Virginia Tech. So Rhodie's at Louisville and Averrginia Tech
Auburn at home. So that's that's part of your first
month of the season. I want to ask you about
Howard's Rock. I thought, I thought ESPN did a great
job last year of showing, uh, just the entire experience.

(01:11:59):
You have this un leevel football facility, but it's because
of layout, right that it's not on the side of
the stadium is Howard's Rocks. And they gotta they go
out of the locker room and then you guys get
on the bus and then you go around right and
then and then and they open up the door and
then you know, these guys come come out of the
come out of the bus, they come down, they touch
the rock and then they go running down. Now there's
a there's like a lip there right, there's almost like

(01:12:20):
a loop and those guys and those guys like to
jump off and they get a ton of air. I
just wonder though, as a coach, like and you don't
you don't sweat a lot of the little things. But
you have to hold your breath. Like the last thing
I want is to have this team loaded up for
bear Auburn comes into We're defending nash Champ. The place
is going crazy, and damn if a lineman didn't jump

(01:12:41):
off the lip after touching Howard's rocket hurt themselves. Do
you put Do you tell guys who can and can't
jump off that thing? I do not. I don't say
anything at all, you know, I want them to enjoy
the experience. Uh that listen, that's a tradition that's going on.
And we've had guys get hurt coming down the hill.
Um you know, I mean you'd hope that they do.
You he'll practice. We do not do he'll practice. Uh

(01:13:04):
we we just I mean they've all been down the hill,
but but no, we don't. I mean, it's um, it's
it's an amazing experience and it's amazing to watch it
and witness it, to be honest with you, but uh,
you hope that they're all athletes enough to be able
to get down. That's for me. That's hey, my I'm
concerned about myself and I don't want to be an
ESPN blooper. For life. So if I can get down
the hill and the rest of the day is pretty easy. Uh,

(01:13:25):
that's the hard part. You know. My my son's eight
years old. We watched it last year, and I swear
to you he he carries a rock with him. He
just picked up a random rock and he wants it
to be like he wants to be like Howard Ruck.
That's how much that stuff resonates on TV. Though. It's amazing.
You know, it's a tradition that's obviously way way way
before me, and and this university takes such pride in

(01:13:46):
and and kids can't wait to be a part of it.
And it never gets old. It is an amazing experience.
But it is very steep. But what people don't realize
it is very steep, and then it's got the hump
and then it's steep again. And uh, but you know
they are not gonna would We've been pretty successful getting
down in most days, but we have had a we

(01:14:07):
have had a fall or two along the way, but
not a lot of injuries. The last thing, I know,
you gotta go into your busy. Um, how do you look?
You come from humble beginnings. You're calling it often, um,
And you know Hunter Renfro former walk on I mean,
he comes from humble beginnings. But you know how a
lot of this goes is guy signs at Clemson and
Clemson has been so good now they don't remember maybe

(01:14:29):
the tough times. How do you how do the young guys,
how do you assimilate them and yet understand that we
started it's a humble beginnings program that has built into
this juggernaut, into this national championship hopeful? How do you
level out guys that haven't even achieved the level of
success that they're being rewarded for because the previous guys
did achieve it. Yeah, you constantly educate them constantly. I'm

(01:14:53):
the team's historian. I'm constantly challenging them and educating them
on how we built this progra rim and and again
while we do what we do pro We spent two
days of program installation with the team before we ever
stepped on the field. And so you gotta imagine, now
that's like you know, pulling up and having your kids
sitting the parking lot at Disney World before for two
days before you let them go in, you know, But

(01:15:14):
but I want them to understand and have an appreciation.
We work hard at making sure that they have a
genuine appreciation for the former players for the things that
we have, for the path that we've been on, and
for why and how we do things around here. And
so we worked really really hard at that, and uh,

(01:15:35):
our guys buy into that. And then you know, you
nurture to the leadership on your team. You count on
the veteran guys too to really uh teach those those
younger guys that are just showing up. But I love
the fact that I've got thirty three seniors and juniors
that they don't know anything in their career, but you know,
big wins and in great seasons and two national championship

(01:15:57):
games and and so forth, because they know what it
looks like and they and so it's their job to
make sure they transfer that. But the main thing is
we do not allow entitlement there. We don't. We stamp
that out at all costs. I mean, we we try
to empower our guys. And again it's the culture of
if you get what you earned, and you got to

(01:16:18):
put the work in. You know, championships are one when
the stands are empty and you don't win them, win
the full you win when the stands are empty, and
so you put the work in and then when you don't,
you hold guys accountable. So that's what we do, and um,
you know it's been able to allow us to to
have consistency. Well, I love it when Ben Bulla got
the microphone and recognize all those former players that that

(01:16:38):
that that that built the foundation that ultimately led you
guys win the national championship last year. Was like, that
was a great moment that spoke to the culture of
the program. Well, coach, look, you got a crazy September.
Look forward to seeing those guys run down and jump
off that lip. Hope nobody gets hurt, especially you. We
appreciate you joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, hey,
thank you. Good to be with you. All right, that's
Dabo Sweeney, the head coach of the Clemson Tiger. Joe

(01:17:00):
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Doug gotlib show we play for you a portion of
a previous show on the network Clay Travis, stan Patrick
Collin Calherd, but in this case, we'll play you some
of Joel Klatt. Joel Clatt was on The Herd today.
He said this about the fighting iverage of Notre Dame.
All you have to do is go to the US

(01:17:41):
News top thirty universities in our country. Of the top thirty,
twelve schools play Power five football, eight of them had
a better record than Notre Dame last year. So stop
telling me Notre Dame people that academics are preventing you
from being good. Um. I mean I get that, I

(01:18:03):
get that. Stanford like, look, they've had massive injuries both
the past two years. Um, And I thought two years
ago when they beat Texas that was a National championship
caliber team. But they were just absolutely obliterated by injuries.
I think was seven starters. And and the thing is,
nobody has that kind of depth in college football. Last

(01:18:24):
year they weren't that good because they had and they
had lost so many players to the NFL. So but
I do think academics plays plays a party. I really do.
They also are very small school, and it's hard to
keep kids in school, unlike Stanford, where the hardest thing
to do is to get kids in school, not keep
them in school. I think it's one of the factors.
I think location is one of the factors. I think

(01:18:46):
the depth of quality teams they play is a factor,
and I think the fact that they haven't been as
good as advertised for a long time. That's what the
Fox said. CT isn't the only thing former football players
have to worry about. I'll tell you what else they
need to worry about. Next. What up it? Stu gott
Leave show, Fox Sports Radio. It's a football weekend? Not

(01:19:11):
really mean it's like football. We got football this weekend,
don't we preseason week one? Uh, that starts next week.
So we had foot we had a little little little
taste of football. Then next Wednesday, it's really kind of weird.
Next Wednesday is Houston Carolina. Next Thursday, you got like

(01:19:32):
eight games, seven games something like that. And then there's
from Friday games, there's a Saturday game, and then there's
a Sunday games Saturday and Sunday. One Saturday in l
A Is Cowboys Rams. Sunday is Seattle against the l
a Chargers. I think I'm gonna do both. I think
I'm gonna go for a little bit of both. Put
in a request for a field passes. Take my dude

(01:19:55):
to come, and you can imagine like back to back days,
going and seeing the cowboys running around out there, watch
the Rams, then watching the Seahawks and the Chargers. Then
next that's after next week we go to the seventh
is Rams practice? Right? What day of the week is that?
I have no idea. Today is the fourth, that's Monday,
So Monday, Monday. You guys are coming down to my

(01:20:15):
Are you guys coming down or is just me? I'm going?
Dan's going, Dan's going. Dan, You're coming down to Uh,
you're coming down to Rams camp. Dan will be there.
What time are you arriving? Well, we can do this
show meeting room, loving Pacific time down. Um I'm not
sure yet, but I hope to be there about maybe,
you know, at least maybe even Sunday night, Doug. We'll

(01:20:38):
just put it up that way. Try to avoid traffic
because I got a longer drive than everybody. So wait,
so are you getting you need a place to stay Sunday?
I don't know. Maybe, Um, I lived I lived ten
minutes from there. I mean sleep over, I got leaves party.
It's like, can we watch movies all night and stay
up really late? Uh yeah we could? I mean yeah sure,

(01:21:03):
um no, and look, if the company is gonna put
you up, then you know I'll charge you and you
yeah no they are, They're gonna you say, my mom's house,
my mom has has has three extra bedrooms. The boat
is now moving away from the dock, you know from
the invite, it's slowly drifting back. We should do is
we should get together. I should take you guys to
a good breakfast, good Orange Cattonewport Beach breakfast. It sounds great.

(01:21:27):
I like eggs, eggs I can make in my house.
That's one of those things where I feel every time
I order eggs at a restaurant, I feel like I
am just throwing away money. I really, I feel like
I'm just I'm I'm guy at the strip club, just
just going like this with just money in the air.
I gots for a dozen eggs, and then it's like

(01:21:48):
eight bucks for you know, or twelve bucks for like
you go you go to like a hotel, It's like
for an omelet, Like okay, wait, so all I needed
was like three or four eggs. Put them in a pan,
you know, put some olive in the pan, and put
some vegetables and some cheese in there. And at fifteen bucks,
Like that's a huge up charge. After I eat eggs,
they're gone in about thirty minutes. That just got Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

(01:22:13):
they're on the h V lane. Just put it that way.
They just cruise along past everyone. Um, here's the thing
about traffic, though, buyer, are you an early riser? No,
not as much, but you should probably go down the
night before. Yeah, that's like, I get up super early
today and it's it's only like an hour. It was
only an hour drive today, but I got a bunch
of things that I got. I checked off a bunch

(01:22:34):
of boxes things I had have done. Now it's gonna
take a lot longer to get back, but um yeah,
we're gonna have a good time see the rams on
who are we most excited to see? With rams? Like
Sean McVeigh is a we have I have. I've spent
a little time with them. We have mutual friends. Um,
he's actually the only guy younger than Ryan Music who

(01:22:54):
who have a microphone above him? Yeah, like Sean McVeigh. I.
Actually the thing is people think ubers. It's no. He
only has his drivers permit, so that's why he gets
a ride to practice every day. Um, but I'm you know,
the Rams are Rams are interesting, right, Like we've been
told how talented they are upfront for the last couple

(01:23:17):
of years. It's all gonna be about Jared Goff, fair
or unfair. Uh. And then you know, look two years
ago they extended themselves to get to go out and
get a really talented running back and he had a
great second half of his rookie year, and then last
year not as much. Plus they have the Erald Aaron
Donald situation. Um, gonna be just to see what happens

(01:23:39):
with the Rams. That So Monday we're at Rams camp
and then on the weekend the Rams play at home.
Todd Gurley of course, only had eighty five yards rushing
last year. We know about case Keenom started seasing Jared Goff.
Many people like myself are like, dude, I think Sean
manions Is actually might be the most ready to play
a guy. Um but I'm interested interest staid by the Rams.

(01:24:00):
Then we go to Cowboys camp on the tent right now,
Cowboys camp buyers closer to you and yes, that is correct.
So I stay at your house? Yeah, pol yes, yes
he has a pool. How do you know he has
a pool because he told me I have a pool?
To do you do you keep the you keep the pool?

(01:24:22):
What do you keep the pool? At fire? This is
a big this is a big thing. Well, I found
out it's about eight right about now. Haven't had to
turn on the heater because it just gets so warm
up by us. Yeah, you you you basically live on
the sun. Yes, yes, you live on you live on
the sun. We actually keep ours four which not yet
but yet not it's just below bathroom temperature. It doesn't

(01:24:45):
need much heat either though, because it's been baking in
the sun. All right, So we're on the road next week.
We'll hopefully have Zekie Elliott Um. We've put in request
what Jason Witten, Jared Goff, we should keep a tally
you know of who we guessed? Yeah, yeah. Cindy Katz,
who books this show, She's like, why are you giving

(01:25:05):
Ryan any credit from my booking? I was like, you
know what, I won't give anybody, but but if it
doesn't come through any of then we're gonna blame you.
That's it does work both ways. Well, Doug, I gotta
fill you in on something quick because Fox Sports Radio
last year was able to go to RAMS Camp and
John Ramos was there, and John Ramos had access during
the like the close portion to the public. John pariscoped

(01:25:26):
while they were practicing. Okay, so this wasn't supposed to
be on film, and John's periscoping saying like, hey live
at RAMS Camp right well, they're doing their install forty
yards behind them. This is called out right chicken left
on two. Ramos is so cool. Ramos was like in
the huddle, who is this girl? Dan said to me,

(01:25:48):
are you video and right now? Go? Yeah, yeah, You're
not supposed to be doing that. Oh really? And there's
Jared Goff running an under on with Davon Austin uh Ramos.
Who's your team? The Rams? Your Rams guy? Hardcore Rams guy?
You still music? Give you picked a team? Yeah? Who
the Bengals? Why are you a Bengals fan? Carson Palmer?

(01:26:11):
I was, I was always a Carson Palmer fan. And
then Orange South Orange County guy, Santa Margaret High School
USC good guy father of twins as well, like I'm
father of twins. People who have twins are just better
people than than regular human being. Interest John your thoughts, Um,
so you're a Bengals fan. Correct, Okay, cool, I'm more
of a Charger fan, although I could I can be

(01:26:32):
swayed by I Like most l A sports fans, whoever
wins first, that's who we're gonna get fine right now,
Most l A sports fans truth be told, like we
like the Raiders, right. The Raiders have kind of always
been right, Raiders have been And I grew up in
the shadows of the Rams. I don't know the old
Rams weren't that likable to me, But I finally like
the Rams they were playing in St. Louis. Kurt Warner,

(01:26:52):
of course, could be recognized as a as a Hall
of Famer this weekend better Amalu, we got we know
him right? Movie Concussion, based upon his search for answers
with brain disease, Ben Amalus says, um, we have this
obsession with CT, but there's much more to it than
that quote. There has been so much fascination with CT

(01:27:13):
that we're going about the wrong way CT. Is this
a one disease in a spectrum of bendage diseases caused
by brain trauma. If he he being a football player,
doesn't have CT, that doesn't mean he doesn't have brain damage.
I've always said that every child who plays football has
a percent risk of exposure to brain damage risk. And

(01:27:35):
I've always said that at the professional level percent would
have brain damage of some kind or some degree. That's
whether or not their brains are found to have CT.
Like he is tripling down on this. He goes on
to say, there's no such thing as a safe blow
to the head, and when the repeated blows to your head,
it increases the risk of permanent brain damage. Once you

(01:27:56):
start having hundreds or thousands of blows, there's a hundred
percent is to exposure and permanent to permanent brain damage.
The brain doesn't have a reasonable capacity to regenerate. This
is something we've always known. I don't attack the NFL.
I shouldn't. The NFL's in corporation. This is free market.
What corporations do. They try and make money by selling
a product or service. The NFL is not a business

(01:28:17):
of healthcare. It's not research organization. If you think the
NFL is not doing anything, well, what do you expect?
There are business to make money. The issue is parents.
In other words, he's like, you shouldn't ever, ever ever
play football, as opposed to many people saying like, look,
if you just don't play tackle football until high school,

(01:28:40):
you'll be okay, right, Or if you only it's only
tackle football for little kids, they don't hit that hard.
The helmets are better, it's a lot safer. We teach
him to tackle the right way, it's okay. And he's
saying never ever. And he's also saying, like ct E
is ct E is to brain trauma cause by football,

(01:29:01):
as lung cancer is too smoking, right, Like smoking doesn't
just cause lung cancer, emphysema, high blood pressure causes your
artery walls to thicken, heart disease, your fingers tearing yellow,
your breath turns bad, your teeth turns yellow, your mustache smell,
clothes smell like smoke, and there's all these other health issues,

(01:29:25):
plus people around you get sick anyway. What Oh, you're smoking?
You want to smoke outside anyway? Um my, My the
point is, and then you hear Jim Plunkett, former super
m v P says, my life sucks. That's what he
said in the San Jose Mercury News. No fun being
in my body right now. Everything hurts now. Plunket is

(01:29:45):
sixty nine. There are lots of guys that are sixty
nine who they would say their body doesn't feel particularly good.
Plunket is at eighteen operations, lives with artificial needs and
artificial shoulder and the debilitating pain in a surgically repaired back.
He suffered at least ten concussions while playing football. He's
also dealing with headaches, possible related to Bill's palsy, which

(01:30:06):
he contracted a year ago. The San Jose Mercury News said, Wow,
sign me up for that? You know? It's like, um,
I think it's Bill Burr makes the joke about about
getting married. Where do I sign up to lose half
my stuff? Right? Who's the guy says? Where do I

(01:30:27):
sign up for possible debilitating brain injury? And if not,
my body just feels awful in my sixties. This is
Tom Brady earlier today, when discussing um to Zell's discussion
about concussions and whether or not it's anybody's business. I

(01:30:49):
don't want to get into, you know, things that happen
in my past, certainly medical history and so forth. I
really don't think that's anybody's business. I'm confident in what
I do. I'm confident in the things that I do,
in the ways I trained put to contact sport, and
I think we all understand that. And there's a lot
of great benefits that football brings you. There, Certainly you
can be putting harm's way, So if you just do
the best you can do as a player, all right,

(01:31:10):
So I guess the question becomes, should we feel any
sympathy towards players who ask for none? At this point
saying that they you know, they know what they're getting into, right,
We're giving them all this information, and I would else
tell you we said this. Brady is lucky. He plays
quarterback at the glamour position of one in which the
league is trying to design more and more ways to

(01:31:31):
keep him safe. He's an asset and a valuable one
to the NFL. We care about him. We don't need
him getting ear hold. But should we feel any sympathy
for these guys who during the time which they're planning,
they're all kind of saying the same thing, like, I
appreciate your concern, but I'm good. Mike Troud joins the

(01:31:54):
show up coming. Next, I'll ask him about being the
best player in baseball, but playing on a five hundred team?
Is it harder to be great on a bad team
than it is to be great on a good one.
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(01:32:39):
make a decision as a radio host. Do I stall
for Mike Trout or do I go into something else
knowing that he may call He may call in in
ten minutes. I think Mike Trout is gonna gonna join
us in moments. Hit a home run last night which
helped the Angels win yet again. They swept the Phillies.
Who are you know, like his quasi hometown team. You

(01:33:01):
know he's from Jersey, but the part of Jersey This
is hard for people who aren't from that part of
the country to understand. Like well, I thought he's from Jersey,
Like yeah, but Jersey's actually borders Philadelphia. He's a big
he's a hardcore Eagles fan. Heus not right hardcore Eagles
said Eagles Chargers this year October one. Now, look, I
don't want to be the bad guy because they are

(01:33:22):
right around five and could sneak in to the playoffs,
could double two wild cards. Like it's a it's a possibility.
Would I be the bad guy? Music if I said, like, hey,
October one, we'll go to the the Charger game knowing they're
not gonna be playing baseball, then like that's not or
do I want to like leave it up to the post,

(01:33:43):
Like if you guys aren't in the playoffs, if you're
not playing the World Series, then I love to go
to the Charger game with you. That's probably the better
way to ward it, right, because like he and Carson
Wentz are kind of boys. That's a that's a tough
call because that that's the kind of thing that can
send an interview like sideways, like whoa hold on, dude,

(01:34:04):
what do you mean we're not gonna be playing in October?
I'm an angel fan, Like come on right, come on,
it's a surprise that there are five, considering all the
injuries they've had over the last year and a half
of their pitching staff, Trout getting hurt this year. They
weren't terrible when Trout was out. I got to make

(01:34:30):
these decisions in my mind as we prepare. That's a
that's a that's a tough one. Um. And then like
Mike Trout joins us on the on the Dug Gotlip Show.
All right, so October one, Eagles Chargers. Okay, Now, look,
I got connections with the Chargers. I don't want to
be presumptuous that if you're not playing baseball, are you

(01:34:54):
going to that game in Eagles Jersey. Um, I don't
know if I'll be going to the game, but i've
you were in an Eagles Jersey for sure. Why wouldn't
you be going to the game. It's like, it's in
southern California. You live in southern California. Uh, it depends. Um,
if we have an off day, is that the end
of the season? October? It's October one. Like again, I'm

(01:35:14):
offering up the possibility you guys could still be playing
October one. You're at five hundred. If you're not playing
October one. I don't want to, like, I don't. I
don't know if White he's putting pressure on you go
on vacation. But your boys are coming to tell your
boy Carson Wentz come to town. Yeah, I got season tickets,
uh in the off season. Um, so I'll just be
going games in Prive Philadelphia. Uh. I have a couple

(01:35:34):
of friendly wagers on that game because there's a lot
of Chargers fans in here in this uh club house.
So it's um, yeah, you know what, that's actually my bad.
You guys do actually play playing October one. That is
the last game. UM okay, So tell me what you
saw last night? Fastball you deploy four hundred and twenty feet?

(01:35:56):
Were you sitting dead red on that fastball last night?
Was a curve ball? See, that's what I thought. And
then I read in the in the paper that like
Thompson three you fastball. It's like that wasn't a fastball,
but it was a curve ball. Were you sitting on
the curveball? I was not sitting on the curveball, sitting
on a fastball and just reacting to the curveball. So
how do you do that? Uh? You know, just telling yourself,
you know, if you're ready for the For me, if

(01:36:16):
I'm ready for the fastball, um, I can make an
adjustment for the all speed. If you're ready to hit
the fastball, UM, it slows down the off speed for you,
and then you can have time to re adjust. Okay,
So is it like is it all about your like
timing mechanism, keeping your hands in a certain place in
terms of your approach, I mean, how do how do
how do you do that? In that so many other

(01:36:37):
guys I mean that that sounds like a sound philosophy,
but not everybody's able to have that philosophy come to fruition. Yeah.
I think for me, it's just getting my foot down.
If I can get my foot down and keep my
head still, I can recognize the pitch um early and
uh you know, make that adjustment quick. You know. The
later my foot gets down, the later my I rely.
I react to the pitch and my head's moving and um,

(01:36:59):
you know, usually if it's uh, you know, good slider
that starts in the zone and bounces away and I
swing at it if my foot's not down in my
head or heads moving. Mike Trout joining us in the
dug gotlip show on Fox Sports Radio. You don't have.
I'm trying to if I was to describe your swing,
you you do this like your your right shoulder goes
way down, your left shoulders way up, like you start

(01:37:19):
your shoulders start at one plane, and then it's not
an uppercut, but there is. You're you're definitely not hitting
down as much on the baseball as was traditionally taught
maybe ten years ago. Take me through the philosophy and
how you hit a baseball. Yeah, you know, I just
try to stay stay inside as much as I can. Um,
you know, it's uh, when I get in trouble is
when I start trying to you know, pull it like

(01:37:41):
yanked the ball, do you know the left field? If
I stay in the middle of the field, Um, you know,
stay inside of the baseball. You know, it starts with
you know, on VP or even in the cage off
the t you know, just staying you know, up the
middle and um, you know if you stay up the middle,
and then uh, you know, they if they though if
you're looking fast off the middle and they thought they
throw you in all speed pitch, you're gonna you know,
obviously be a little bit early and you can pull

(01:38:02):
it and it would still be fair. If you look
left field, you know they threw you. If you're sitting
fast on the left field and they threw your off speed,
you're gonna hook you foul. So I'd like to stay
out the middle. And here's the whole field. One of
the things you've been able to do. You come off
the d L and you've hit safely in thirteen out
of the fifteen games since you came off. It came
off the d L, and I was I was fascinating

(01:38:22):
to see how you'd play coming back because you had
that you're such a you play with such a high energy. Um,
not just in the field, but you have you have
just kind of a spirit about you, and you're played
that I would I would fear if I were you,
that you were trying to do too much. What was
that like for you to come back off the d L.
The team was playing pretty well, And how did you
find the balance of not trying to do too much

(01:38:42):
too early? Yeah, um, obviously being on the d L,
you um, you you're obviously fresh. Freshen up a little bit, um,
I got to stay in shape, and obviously the grind
of you know, playing nine games every night, I didn't
have that, so, um, you know, once I got back,
I felt fresh, fresh as you know can be. And obviously, see,
you gotta be uh you know, mindful and careful of

(01:39:03):
your something. Um, and you know that I talked to
the trainers and you know some doctors that uh you
know wearing that guard. I you know I should be protected,
and so I, uh, I just put it behind me.
I wasn't even thinking about it, all right, So you
going head first anymore? Is that head first days? It's
a little weird with the mitten the mid I have
to wear, but you know I'm getting used to it. Um,
but not head first and first right, never head first

(01:39:25):
in the first place. No, you know, it's uh, I
think I did a couple of couple of games ago.
I think it was a play, you know, close play.
I just slipped feet first, you know, just I didn't
want to obviously run into the picture. And obviously you
gotta be mindful of your something. No. Absolutely, Mike Trout
joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. I've always wondered
and maybe argued, and some of it because I'm a fan,

(01:39:47):
is that it might actually be harder, Like, look, this year,
you guys are good, you're not. It's not as tough
as it was last year when the essentially the entire
rotation was hurt. But I've always thought it's it has
to be harder to come to work when the expectations
for the team aren't as great. Like people will say
you can't win the m v P if your team
is not a playoff team. My argument would be it's

(01:40:08):
harder to be great on a bad team than it
is to be great when there's energy, the stands are full,
every game is important. You've been on both. Okay, a
couple of years ago, Angels had the best record in
the American League, has obviously lost in the playoffs, the Royals.
You've been on teams that struggled. What's harder to come
to work and bring it when everybody's expectations are to
win or the expectations of the opposite. Yeah, Um, you know, obviously,

(01:40:31):
you know, when you're in it, everything's gone good. Um,
you know, like you said, the fans are in it.
Every game, you're you know, the energy is there and
you know, um, I mean like last year, Uh, you know,
it's tough. It was tough. You know when you're you're
coming you know, mid mid September and you're you're out
of the out of the playoff race. But for me, uh, personally,

(01:40:52):
you know, we're we're still playing against teams that are
in it, and uh, you know, if we can knock
them out or you know, make an impact on them. Um,
you know, I just I think it helps us out
And like you said, it's it's there's definitely you know,
right now we're in a spot where three games out
and the last couple of games we've been playing great ball. Um,
you know, the energy is there. You know it's been

(01:41:13):
there all season. We just never you know, stop fighting.
And uh, for me, it's just baseball. Game is you know,
we're gonna try to win every game, play hard. Uh,
it doesn't matter the situation. Mike Trout joining US Angels
have won three in a row to take on the
last place as tonight at at Anaheim Stadium. Then you
got the Orioles. I mean you mentioned three games out.
I don't think people understand just what an accomplishment is

(01:41:37):
for for this team. Um, is it is it reasonable
to think you guys could sneak in and get a
wild Card. Yeah, you know we're playing good right now. Um,
you know, scoring a lot of runs and obviously the
pitching has been great. You know, we're getting some guys
coming off the d l um. You know, Cole is
coming back tonight. I think Cam comes back this week
and uh Skaggs and uh you know he needs pitching

(01:41:59):
well as to you know, Triple A. But you know,
we're just trying to taking one game at time. We're
not trying to look ahead. Did you go one game
at a time on me? Come on, dude, you can't
look ahead. You know, for me, if I look ahead
and it's like looking ahead and at bat, you know,
if you look ahead into three at bat, so you're
gonna you know, probably mess up the bat before. So
you gotta gotta take it one game by time for us.

(01:42:21):
That's we just gotta keep pushing, um. You know, try
to win series is you know, we got the Aids
in town. You know, they play us, you know hard
every time, and uh, we just gotta keep that momentum
we got from last night into the night. I love those.
The Philly reporters are asking you about coming to Philadelphia
and you're like, dude, you you and you at some
point you had to say, like, you guys are terrible.
I'm not a free agent for like four years. Why

(01:42:43):
are you asking? But everybody assumes like, oh, eventually he'll
want to come home. How do you how do you handle?
Not like you didn't want to say the wrong thing either.
You want to just like I'm committed to the organization.
That's gotta that's gotta be wonder where you take a
breath in your mind, Like, all right, I gotta answer
this thing just the right way because people are gonna
parse my answer. Yeah, you know it's uh. When I
go back to the off season, obviously go to Philly

(01:43:03):
games and obviously the Eagles and six year games. Um, yeah,
I grew up you know Phillies fan. Um, you know,
every every kid's dream is to become you know, major
League Baseball team, on on their favorite team. But like
you said, I I got a you know that they
took it to you just took a chance for me
while I was seventeen, and you know, I love it.
I love it here. And you know, like I said,

(01:43:25):
I got three more years on my contract and we'll
see what happens. You're a big processor, so you're believing
that the Sixers playoffs this year. Yeah, I think they'll
sneak in. I like the I like the where they're going.
You know, I got some you know, number one picks
and you know the guys are you know, coming out
and you know, see how it goes this year. J J.
Twenty three mill for one year. That's a good that's
a good gig if you can get it. Could could

(01:43:46):
you like you could twenty three million? You could play
basketball twenty three mill one year. That's not a bad gig.
That's definitely uh, you know if he hits some threes
and you never know, did you guys go wild? Are
you guys going wild goose after the game to night? No? No, no, no, no,
all right. I thought I saw some fellas wild goose
the other night after one of the games. Listen, have
a great night's night. Whether it's fastball or curveball. I

(01:44:06):
thought it was a curveball. I read in the time
story was a fastball? Was like, that wasn't a fastball?
That was? That was definitely a curveball. Either way. You
tattooed it out four feet away and that helps spark
the Angels to their third consecutive win. Mike Trout of
the Angels, Mike, thanks so much for joining us. It's
Mike Trout joining us on the Doug. Wild Goose is
a bar tavern, but a good restaurant as well. Uh,

(01:44:28):
not far from where he lives a lot of the Angels.
I'd like angel watering hole post game. Would you guys
like to go to the Wild Goose after after our
show on on Monday? Sounds great, It's really good. Yeah,
that's that's I think that's your question is how are
you gonna you're gonna fight the slog through traffic? You're
gonna hang Monday or are you going to you're gonna
stay around Monday. That's a tough call there, tough call there.

(01:44:52):
Music is a volleyball guy. Music and go down to
Laguna Beach and like play pick up volleyball. Just start
playing some some good old fashioned twos. You know he
had play twos at dad Laguna you get did you
see the high socks? Look he was rocking there yesterday, romos.
It was I was kind of impressive he had he
had like the calf high socks. He's he's a trend
setter when it comes Well, no, that's no. But that's

(01:45:14):
like he's it's kind of a volleyball look like volleyball
guys don't go ankle socks. Volleyball guys go half socks,
never ankle socks. I'm serious. I'm right though about Yeah,
I can't do it. It's a total volleyball thing. It's
the weirdest thing. Like basketball guys, like, dude, those socks
are unless you have NBA socks. Unless you have NBA socks,

(01:45:36):
you don't go calfie. You don't go calf high socks.
Volleyball guys never go ankle socks. Always go calf high socks.
So I didn't think anything of it. I was just like, oh, yeah,
volleyball guy. As soon as he walked in. I'm not
taking credit for that. The curveball fastball question, that's absolutely
I'll show you the article that's it was like, that
wasn't a dy even asked Thompson about it, was like, yeah,

(01:45:56):
it was a fastball. I wasn't fastballs a curveball brushed it.
Have the Cleveland Browns finally found their starting quarterback. Find
out if we find out what's trending mm hmm. Tiger
Woods just tweeted out a picture of I guess you

(01:46:17):
went like a lobster diving. That sounds awesome. Nothing like
free diving with the kids for lobster at Albany. Mm
hmm sounds awesome. Eating the lobster sounds even better. Well,
a big lobster guy. Did you know that I could

(01:46:38):
not say the word lobster? When could Things you guys
don't know about me? My dad want to name me Rusty. Hey,
it's the Rusty Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Trader. That
is terrible. That is terrible. Thankfully my mom stepped in
and I couldn't say the word lobster. I would say lobster.
So my brother and sister would say, Doug, it's la

(01:47:00):
la la la lobster, and I would say La la
la la ypster. There you go, things that as you
don't know. Let's get you caught up on other things
you didn't know with the press, the press. I can't believe.
I asked him fastball was a curveball. I knew it
was a curveball fired. You see the home running hit

(01:47:22):
last night? Um no, I missed it, um uh it
was It wasn't bo Jackson level length but it was
it was like a line dry. It was a missile
right out of Anaheim Stadium. And he does have that.
My my son's eight watches all the Mike. He actually
went up to Mike Trout and said, I love your
YouTube videos. And Mike was nice enough to not say, like,

(01:47:43):
I didn't actually put those videos together anyway, but but
like kids, try and if you watch his swing, it
it starts his left shoulders up, his assume his right
shoulders up, his left shoulders down, and then when he's
as he swings, it's like a natural almost switch up
the shoulders as his head stays exactly left and only
his shoulders switched levels, which creates kind of that upward

(01:48:03):
trajectory when he hits the baseball. It's something really interesting, uh,
to watch his specific swing anyway, Go ahead. Phillis Angels
was on my list of things to do. It was
just nineteen to last night and I only got the
sixteen Phillies Angels. Like you're watching Phillies Angels. You either
love the Phillies, you love the angels, or you got
money on the game, or you your remote doesn't work

(01:48:24):
and you're like, dare this thing won't jameson Chatto and
it's stuck on the worst baseball game of all time. Alight,
that's all right, I got cut up cutting cutting the
dead blister off of my heel. Um Dolphins said go
j Adam Gaye said no decision has been made on
the status of quarterback Ryan Tannehill, but the real news
Doug may have come for the Biamy Harold, who says
that Gaze has spoken recently with Jake Cutler. In fact,

(01:48:47):
the Harold says the two have spoken over the last
two days, as they've also been in contact with other quarterbacks.
But that's the latest from South Florida in the quarterbacking situation.
All right, here's a question. If you're Jay Cutler, you
can go back and take a shot of being a
starting quarterback, or you can take the job at Fox.
The Fox jobs a thirty year job, but I think
he only has a one year deal at Fox. What

(01:49:09):
do you do? I think you go back and play.
And I'm gonna say it's a little different than Romo
just because Cutler is not in the number one analyst spot.
Romo is Cutler isn't. It's still Joe Buck Detroy Hikman,
Number one, so Cutler I think has flexibility because he's
not in that top spot I would have I would
agree with you. And not only that, but he's also
working with Charles Davison. It's one of the smart things

(01:49:29):
about the guys over Fox Sports is that, um, knowing
this was a possibility and knowing that he was really
gonna be really green, they put Charles Davis, a total
pro with him, and so they don't actually have to
change their teams. Charles Davis just called the games. Um
unless say, you know, they can always add somebody else
or wait to see if Jay gets cut whatever. But
I I think it's I don't think it's close. I

(01:49:51):
think you absolutely go play. He absolutely go play. And
you know, he's probably helped his reputation in broadcasting now
even if he's not called the game, because the thought
is and I don't know how his audition really went,
but it went well enough for them to to offer
him the job. So then the folks at CBS and

(01:50:11):
ESPN and NFL netwere like, well, Fox is gonna hire him,
and if he handles it the right way, if he calls,
if he calls Eric Jenks and says listen, I really
want to do this gig. This is an awesome gig,
but I gotta get this out of my system. I
don't think Eric Shanks would not welcome him back when
the opportunity presents itself again. Mary Kay Cabinot of Cleveland
dot Com reports rookie quarterback to Shaun Kaiser, the Browns

(01:50:33):
is moving closer and closer to being the starter for
their preseason opener against the Saints. In fact, she says
that Kaiser has been the best quarterback on the field
and the competition hasn't been closed between Kaiser, brock Oswilder,
and Cody Kesler. You know, I've talked to several people,
and one of the things that that Kaiser lost last
year didn't have was his confidence. I like Brian Kelly

(01:50:56):
a great deal. I do. I like Brian Kelly a
great deal, but he is hard on quarterbacks. I mean,
he is hard on quarterbacks. And you know, he was
very honest about Kaiser thinking wasn't ready that he had
there parts of his personality he had to developed. But
I also think that he was beating up a little
bit confidence wise. And uh and and maybe now this

(01:51:18):
gives him a chance to succeed. He if you watched
in the year before when he came in, you know,
a couple of games in filling in an injury for
Malik's ear, and he had that confidence, he had that swag,
he spun that thing around. He's got a lot of talent.
So there's obviously some some refinding to go. But think
about it, if you're brock Osweiler, like dude, you can't
beat out a rookie at a notre dame. Ah two.

(01:51:42):
NBA wants to wrap up first, just to recap if
you may have missed it. Clippers at coach Doc Rivers
had his title of president of basketball Operations removed by
owner Steve Balmer. Doug, I know you touched on this earlier,
but Balmber told the ESPN that the duties of coach
and president are enormous responsibilities and the jobs are better
handled by two people. I mean, look, it reads good,
it sounds good, it sounds smart. But this is a demotion, right,

(01:52:07):
This is a demotion. Um. You know this is hey,
you can't drive, you can't drive a car and talk
on a cell phone, so I'm gonna take your cell
phone away. Um. And you know they are two really
big jobs. You do need he did not have any
experience running a team when he was running the team,
Like all these things are true, but had it worked out,

(01:52:29):
he'd still be the coach and president of the team. Finally,
Nick's forward Carmelo Anthony spoke with ESPN, saying that he
lost the joy of playing basketball after the past few
seasons in New York and says, now it's all about
winning a championship at this point in his career. Shouldn't
have been about winning a championship at any point in
his career. M hm hmm. That's the press backing out

(01:52:52):
there and pressed that was the press. It's Hall of
Fame weekend, and that's incredible. But have we lowered a
bar for what is in fact a Hall of Famer.
We'll discuss next. When you're ready to experience a better
way to sell or trade in your car, check out
True car dot com slash trade today. So, UM, the

(01:53:25):
Hall of Fame class of two thousand and seventeen is
said to be inducted into the Pro Football of Fame,
and I think it's an interesting one. Um, the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, like any Hall of Fame, it
should be really really simple. It's really really simple. There's

(01:53:46):
um the Malcolm Gladwell book. Is it called snap? Is
that what it's called? Uh? Malcolm Gladwell has a book
about snap decisions, and the idea of it is that
I snna be called blink the power of thinking without thinking.

(01:54:07):
And the idea is like when you walk into a
room and the first thing you see something you see
something should be changed in the architecture, see something change
with the interior design, or see if you ask the
question your first thought, your first answer is in fact
the right answer. You've got to go through a bunch
of you start putting down lists of positives, negatives, and

(01:54:28):
what should I say? Just the first thing you think
of that ends up that's actually should be that snap
judgments are actually usually the best judgments. And so that's
kind of how the Hall of Fame should work, right,
Like Morton Anderson finally got in, but I feel like
Morton Anderson. Maybe it's because there's been other kickers named Anderson,

(01:54:50):
like Gary Anderson as well, but Morton Anderson feels like
that guy should be in. It's like a Hall of Famer.
Terrell Davis does that Terrell Davis feel like a Hall
of fame when he late. I actually think the answer
is yes. I know, we only really had a couple
of good seasons, and he had that one two thousand
yards season and he was definitely helped by playing on
a Super Bowl championship team and the context that it was.

(01:55:13):
I think the statu is that the Denver Broncos had
seven straight thousand yards seasons thound thousands ard plus seasons
from the running back with seven straight. Guys, do you
remember any of the other ones? You guys remember Mike Anderson?
Mike Anderson, Right, I'm gonna say, oh, land Is Gary

(01:55:34):
was one of them too. I'm gonna say Atlanta's Gary. Um,
there's a bunch. I pull up Denver Broncos, look at
leading rusher for the season. You'll see like just a
bunch of bunch of different dudes. La Danian Thomason feels
like a Hall of Favor to me, I got no
issue with it. Kenny easily got in. Kenny easily was

(01:55:55):
that was he was. He was good. He was a
good player back with the Seattle Seahawks back in the day.
The current Warner thing is hard. The Jason Taylor thing
is hard because there were times in which you never
I never thought about Jason Taylor. They were thought there
were times like Jason Taylor, like let's not let's be honest,
did you think about him anywhere in the realms of

(01:56:17):
like Lawrence Taylor, like I just and and football isn't
the only Hall of Fame that's gotten into this thing.
Tracy McGrady is not a Hall of Famer. Reggie Miller
shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. It should be DOMINIQ.
Wilkins shouldn't be the Hall of Famer. Baggio and Bigwell
shouldn't be a Hall of the Hall of Famer. Should
be the absolute best in the sport, like there should

(01:56:40):
be like five Hall of Famers playing in the sport
at any one time, like those are the best. But
that's not really what we do with the Hall of Famers.
We do like the elite Hall of Fame first ballot,
and we do like, oh, you're really you're really good.
We want to recognize you, and somebody put their name,
you know, decided current Warner was good quarterback man. He

(01:57:01):
had a couple great years. Well, like put Kurt Warner's
career up against Aaron Rodgers. Put Kurt Warner's career up
against Tom Brady's, because if you're gonna put Kurt Warner
in the Hall of Fame, then you're gonna put Philip
Rivers in the Hall of Fame. You're gonna put Russell
Wilson in the Hall of Fame. You're gonna put Drew
Brees in the Hall of Fame. You're gonna put put
Tom Brady in the Hall of Fame. But put Aaron

(01:57:22):
Rodgers in the Hall of Fame. You're gonna put Matt
Ryan the Hall of Fame. And maybe they all get in.
But that's not really the idea of the Hall of Fame.
That's like more like a Pro Bowl Hall of Fame
has become kind of the hall of good, not the
hall of the greatest we've ever seen. There should be
like one or two guys in the league, five guys

(01:57:42):
met maybe in the league. Whoever the absolute best is
if they're the best. That's the hard part about Kurt
Warner because he was the best in the league, and
then he was barely in the league. And if you're great,
well you're great, not well, he was great, and then
he wasn't great for five years, and then he was
good and he was really good, and then he wasn't

(01:58:06):
that good, and then he retired. But it does open
the door for guys that have had uh spurts in
the NFL of greatness to be considered the greatest of
all time. We're live at Rams Camp on Monday. This
is the Doug Outup Show. Have a great, safe weekend.

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