July 2, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to the news that the Knicks are about to sign former NBA Coach of the Year Mike Brown as their new head coach. Doug welcomes long-time NBA writer and commentator Frank Isola onto the show to talk about the Knicks and all of the headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It is July the second. Yes, it's July already. July already.
That was for you there, jas too. Is it July already?
I think you tweeted at yesterday or the day before.
Not really sure. So let's get after with the topic
of the day. The long search is over. Two time
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NBA Coach of the Year Mike Brown is new head
coach of the New York Knicks, and he does, in
fact fit the bill. And you're like, what do you
mean fit the bill. There's a couple of things. First,
like I said, here's the amazing part about being a
two time NBA head Coach of the Year. There's actually
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a trend with that that he was fired a year
after both times he was NBA Coach of the year.
But I said previously and I meant it that if
you're going to replace Tom Thibodeau with another head coach
when Tibbs takes the Knicks to the conference finals for
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the first time in twenty five years, you have to
replace with somebody who has been to that level and beyond.
The NBA on some many levels is about respect. And
you know there's the catch twenty two of in order
to have the respect to the locker room, you have
to win in the NBA. In order to win in
the NBA, you have to have the respect of the
locker room. Well, Mike Brown, if you remember, was the
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head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Remember when Lebron James
and Booby Gibson and others went to the NBA Finals
early in Lebron's career and got swept. Who was the
head coach? Then? Mike Brown's the answer. So the problem
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is not in selecting Mike Brown. The problem is very
likely in the execution or lack there of a plan. Now,
can Brown deal with James Dolan as a crazy owner?
Per se? Yeah, he had Vivid Rennedive as his owner.
How crazy is Vivic grinned dive. The veck Grenna DV
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owner of the Kings, once upon a time coached his
daughter's AAU team, and they had a unique style where
they pressed and they left one one young woman underneath
their own basket so that every time they got the ball,
they flung it up the court, basically playing four on
five on defense. So they'd sacrificed that so they could
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get wide open lamps on offense. And there was a
time when he actually wanted that strategy tried in the
G League before they could try it in the NBA.
These words were set out loud in professional basketball offices
and thought about, and one coach was actually, I believe
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was fired because of it because he didn't want to
do it. He wouldn't have anything of it. So if
you could survive that, you could survive Sacramento. And oh yeah,
by the way, he turned Sacramento from you know, from
a desolate kind of wasteland of coaches, even with really
good Mike Malone was there, right, and they got rid
of Mike Malone to playing a fun up and down style.
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Is that because Mike Brown's been to the finals, because
he's seen as a great dude, somebody who can work
with anybody, somebody who's won, but much more offensive minded.
My guess is he's the opposite of Tibbs, and Tibbs
was I'm gonna do it my way, this way, we're
gonna do it. We're gonna do defense first, We're gonna
grind with our top seven guys, and if no one
else plays, that's fine. Mike Brown's like, hey, whatever, man,
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let's just go out, have fun, run, score a bunch
of points, and you know, we'll figure it out the end.
And it's worked some That's just a guess, but he
passes that bar of you can't fire a guy who
took you to the conference finals unless you hire somebody
who's gone beyond the conference finals. So I think because
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of where we started, where we get to feels disappointed
to some. But when you take a breath and go like, yeah,
I mean, Tibbs had been successful in the NBA, but
it's not like he'd never been to the conference finals before.
It's not like he's set the world on fire in
the playoffs. It is a more offensive mind the league.
You do have to guard people. Mike Brown had played,
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you know, turned his style into a wide open one.
He's in the Sacramento. It worked, it was fun, people came,
people watched, and the team was relative is successful. He
was successful with the Golden State Warriors during the interim
stint and really well. He liked, well, liked, And this
is It's no different than when you're in a relationship, right,
you get married, you get divorced. Who's the next woman
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you date? Well, if she was blonde, sometimes it's a burnett.
If she has short hair, now it's long hair. If
she's more passive, you get somebody who's more aggressive. You
date the opposite, or maybe you have a type and
everybody you date looks exactly the same and you just
substitute in name tags. I don't know, but most dudes,
it feels like go from one you know from from
polar opposes, just like with just like with coaches, you
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have Timbs who's heavy handed, demanding, kind of gruff on
his it only works with his guys, doesn't play a
deep bench, and wants to play defensive minded ball. Regards
to the fact that if you actually watched Tims team,
they played pretty free, pretty easy on offense, but persona wise,
style wise seen as defensive first, gritty, mentality, you know,
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not a guy that constantly has a smile on his face.
And oh yeah, by the way, he happens to be white.
The Knicks hire a guy who'd been slightly more successful
in the playoffs but loved by a lot of people.
Super likable guy, play a fast style. He happens to
be black as well, and I'm guessing plays more of
his bench. And I actually think this becomes the year
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in which my dad used to tell me something about
guys that follow Bill Parcell's like that first year you
get there, still they still have ingrained in them all
of the little discipline oriented things that made Bill Parcells
arguably the greatest coach of our generation in the National
Football League. But then it comes some of the kind
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of free spirit and oh the dictator's gone. And that
first year you actually kind of get the best of
both worlds. You get the new energy combined with the
discipline of Parcels. Now year two it gets really hard
because parcells stuff did in fact work, The discipline was needed,
and some of that disappears over time. And I think
that'll be a challenge to Mike Brown in year two.
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But right now you're one. I don't know, I don't
hate it. I think the part that's killing the Knicks
is the perception. Right if you fire a guy and
the job is open this long, you couldn't get your
first guy, you couldn't get your second guy, you couldn't
get your third guy. Well, they end up getting the
guy who's NBA Coach of the Year two years ago,
and it's happened to him twice. He's very familiar with
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the East. It actually makes sense if if you take out,
you know, you take out the the guys they tried
to talk to, the timing and how TIBs was fired,
all of those things. Byer, Does it make sense to you,
Dad Buyer?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I mean you've the search didn't make sense, but the
hiring ultimately, I think is fine. I think you can
point your point about the time in Sacramento and we've
seen kind of how that organization is completely revamped itself
from that playoff year that were just a couple of
seasons removed from where they took the Warriors to seven games,
and you can you can blame it on ownership, or
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you could blame it on what was going on in
the front office and not have Mike Brown take any
other responsibility. So yeah, it was it was fine. I
just the search process of them going to all the
other teams when you had a Mike Brown out there,
when you had a Taylor Jenkins who you also spoke with.
I don't think they even talked with Michael Malone. But
so that that whole deal was the search was crazy.
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But ultimately you get Mike Brown. It's fine. Hire. I
don't know if it's a lot remove, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, that's it. It's this is the Airs would like.
It's like when you on a basketball team runs an
offensive set, nobody executes it particularly well, and then they
jump up and knock down a shot and you're like, eh, yeah,
good coaching, you know. Yeah, so that's what the Knicks did, right.
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The Knicks passed the ball around a bunch of times.
Guys dribbled it, dribble it, dribble it. What are we doing?
And then they throw it to Jail and Bruns and
he throws in a questionable shot. He goes in and
you're like, hey, good job. I'm probably too close to
it because I know Mike really well. I think he's
a fantastic guy. I think he you know, the the
Lakers stint was he probably butchered trying to bring in
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Eddie Jordan to run Princeton style offense. It was a
great thought. He got to clear it with Kobe Bryant
if you want to work. But again, Mike's been around
it long enough, you know, to to have learned from
his mistakes and how to handle it. And look, maybe
it's what got him fired in Sacramento. Remember the waning
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days of his time in Sacramento. He was He pointed
out that Daron Fox kind of butchered something late in
the game, said that to the media, and then supposedly
Darren Fox was unhappy. Then he gets fired, and then
Darren Fox like, why'd Darren Fox? Like, why'd you fire him?
I liked him? Why'd you fire him? And then Darreon
Fox gets traded.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, Like I almost give him a pass, honestly,
and I know that, Like his Coach of the Year
honors were with Lebron and the Calves and with the
it wasn't one with the Lakers, but said him. Think,
but the point is it's tough to coach superstars as well.
So like if you're gonna look at him and say
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what kind of coaches. He I would look at the
Sacramento tenure more than I would the other two.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Or you could say, remember he got fired after a
fifty one win season with the Cleveland Cavaliers, right when
they lost to the Bots of Celtics in the playoffs.
And then when they fired him, they again, the Calves
thought they were firing him because Lebron didn't like him,
and Leron may not have liked him, but it didn't
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stop Lebron from leaving and going to Miami. Those two
things go inside with each other, Yeah, Jase do so?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Can we drove down on something that Buyer brought up?
And he brought it up a couple of weeks ago too,
and I agree. You know, the Knicks took this kind
of like you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs
kind of thing to the offseason, and I'm guessing they
pissed off a bunch of teams, like trade partners, Like,
how if they ultimately landed on a guy who was
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a free agent to begin with, didn't they piss off
trade partners along the way? Aren't they aren't teams less
likely to deal with the Knicks now because they caused
this disturbance with their head coaches, and it forced them
to have to pay their head coaches or it forced
them to have this these public acknowledgements. Isn't there a
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a net negative here?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Maybe? Maybe, but one it's not show friends as show business. Secondly,
I think the the easy landing place if you did
feel like there were feelings that were hurt, is hey,
we could have gone and talked to those guys without
clearing with you. We didn't have to do that right,
Like we could have done the agent thing where we
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talked to the agent and never actually you know, make
the formal ask so we can say we did the
right thing. I think it's more, yeah, you fire tips
and people get excited, and this happens in all coaching jobs.
Like if Mike Brown's name head coach, like yeah, I
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like Mike Brownie's fine, Like like Dan said, like be fine.
But if you fired tips, you're like, ooh, they got
to have something big going on, you know, And it's
it's a lot like you say, hey, listen, we turned down.
You know, Brad Pitt wanted this role. We told him
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like we didn't think he was a good fake, Like oh,
you turned down Brad, Pitt. Okay, well that means you're
going after somebody really really big and they end up
getting kind of a solid B list actor, and like, really,
that's that's it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Multiple coaches got contract extensions or modified contracts because the
Knicks wanted to talk to them. Billy Donovan in Chicago
was the one that really stood out. Yeah they screwed Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah yeah. Will they get a trade with Chicago anyway?
Does it matter anyway? Maybe? You know, maybe, I don't know.
Does it hurt your trade partners? I guess you know,
I don't think anybody's gonna call them and hand them
Luka Doncic the way that the way that the Mavericks
handed him to the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yes, yes, Sam, I'm just curious if we'll have another
moment like this like Mike Brown had in front of
the Sacramento media where he really drilled down on the
importance of possessions.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Just need to be methodical stacking or playing the right way.
Possession after possession, after possession, What about the next after
possession and the next after possession? Okay, after possession after possession, Okay,
after possession after possession.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
How do you think the new York Media would take
something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They would play it probably fifteen or twenty times over
and over and over and over and over again. Yes, yes,
I will. I'm going to warn everybody the crew is
kind of in a mood we had. You're gonna want
to listen to the podcast. It's a great discussion about
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circumcision in the podcast. I just I'll leave it at that.
I'll cut my remark short. So we did there, cut
my right short. The crew is in a bit of
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like a snappy, kind of like sarcastic mood. So again,
just throwing that warning out to you. If you're listening today.
Dan's got on a good looking golf shirt. That means
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he's probably hitting the links after the show. That's just
a guess.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Or yeah, the laundry was not completed.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, I forgot to Dan, that shirt makes me want
to eat orange sherbets bright.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I can go on this very appealing.
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Speaker 1 (15:37):
The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I mean this.
According to the Athletics Stan Wiki, Lakers are already targeting
Al Horford. His call is A colleague Sam Ameck, who's
also from the Athletic said that the Warriors are too
Warriors could end up they could end up a key
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piece in the battle for a three nine year old center. Again,
my my thing is this, Like DeAndre Ayton is DeAndre
and officially a Laker? Dan Byer did he did he
sign with the Lakers?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, No, again, that was supposedly he was. They were
one of the final teams. It's like DeAndre Ayton, I
I look, I understand what Lebron's people are kind of saying, like, hey,
they're they're kind of threwed here, right not coulda probably
not gonna win a title this year. And I don't
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understand Ayton. I don't understand Horford. Like the best thing
Luca does is come off of pick and roll and
either score it, pass it, or throw a lob. And
you have to have a lob threat. And they don't
seem to like jacksonay So why aren't they going after
that type of center? You know who might know Frank Iola,
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He joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, long time NBA writer.
You see him on ESPN, herby the Yes Network, on
Serious XM as well. He joins us now on Fox
Sports Radio. What was your opinion this would have been
like a backward around the horn existed great around the
horn topic. Lebron James's agent comes out and is like, hey,
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Lebron wants to win a championship, so we're going to
explore our options after he just re ups with the
Lakers with the player option. What was what was your
read on that?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Yeah, well, first of all, don't be hating DeAndre and
all right we'll start there, Doug. I do think it's funny.
I always love that he's monitoring the situation. Well, guess what,
somebody break the news to him that the Lakers just
signed the guy that's gonna be forty one on December
thirtieth to a fifty three contract, which kind of which
kind of hurts him a little bit. I'm not telling
him to take less he could. Obviously, he's earned the
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right to do that that that's in his contract, but
you mentioned it. The biggest issue that the Lakers have
is that they're in the Western Conference, and you were
talking about centers that they can get. You know, Nick
Claxton would certainly fill the bill. I don't think he's
been traded yet, like he would be available from the nets.
But you know, the Lakers are gonna have to give
up a first round pick if they if they want
to acquire Nick Claxon. But Lebron, Lebron's in a tough situation.
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You know, it's amazing that we're still talking about the
guy after after all these years. The best thing for
him would be to figure out a way to go
come to the Eastern Conference, Like I don't know why
Kevin Durant didn't try to do that. All the teams
are in the West while the East is wide open
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, okay, so the East is wide open. The New
York knicks Hire Mike Brown, what do you think of
the higher Well.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I like Mike Brown a lot and obviously as a
good you know record. You know, he got to coach
Lebron a lot in Cleveland, which which certainly helps. It's
it's strange because you know, you go out and you
made it to the conference finals first time in twenty
five years, and then it decide to get rid of
their coach. And I think they're targeted for a long
time with Jason Kidd, and you know, I think that's
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why there's probably dragon as long as they did. They
tried to get Jason Kidd. You know, they couldn't even
get permission to speak to him. And then you know
they did talk to the Rockets. They tried, so they
went after four four coaches that we know of that
are under contract. So if you're doing that, come on, Doug,
if you're getting if you're trying to talk to get
a turn in the contract, that's the guy that are hiring.
So it sounds like that Mike Brown at at best
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would have been their fifth choice. But you know that
doesn't make them the wrong choice. And you know, many
years ago, I think it was you know, all the
way back in ninety six. I know it's ancient history,
but you know, when Joe Torrey got hired by the Yankees,
nobody thought it was a good hire. Than the next thing,
you know, he's part of a dynasty there. Mike Brown's
walking into a good situation. Like you just said, wide
open the East. The Knicks do have a talented roster,
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but there's gonna be a lot of pressure on them.
The Knicks won ten playoff games last year. I mean
this past season the most since ninety nine. They made
the conference finals first time since two thousands. Of the
expectations like the pressure are going to be through the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I tend to agree there. Kevin Rant to Houston,
Houston's made a lot of moves. Several people like it.
What do you think about Houston and their evolution?
Speaker 7 (20:09):
I like it a lot. I kind of I always
thought would they try to make a run at Devin Booker,
you know, for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant still has in
my opinion, a lot left. The problem is can he
stay healthy? And we did have a really I thought
the season overall was disappointing because they didn't get at
the tenth place in the Western Conference. But you know,
Imadoka was an assistant coach in Brooklyn when Kevin Durant
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was there, so they have a relationship. I think they
have a really good young nucleus around them, especially the
kid Thompson who's terrific. They got some toughness with guys
like fred van Fleet and what you like about the rocket.
They still have the asset to make a run at
Giannis if and when, you know, Jannis does become available
and wants out of Milwaukee. So I think it works
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out well for Kevin Durant. The one thing about Kevin
Durant which I don't understand, I still tie it to
like not being married and not having kids. If he
had that, he'd be like the rest of us. He'd
be kind of miser So he spends most of his
time being miserable about silly things like fighting people on
social media and things like that. Like Kevin Durant never
seems to be happy. I don't get it. I mean,
even just recently. You look at some of his social
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media activities, just like going going after people. I don't
understand it for like a guy that I mean, I
don't know. You look across sports, like the all time
grades in any sport, whether it's tennis, football, basketball, soccer,
like an all time greader. They really just randomly calling
after people on social media. I don't understand that part
about Kevin Durant. But when it as it relates to
how good Houston could be. I mean, come on, Doug.
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They were the second seed last year, they won fifty
two games. There were a young team. I get it.
They got knocked out in the Game seven by Golden State,
but they're going to be a legit contender in the
Western Conference.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I agree. I actually think the NBA, I think the
Texas teams are loaded for battle. I mean, we don't know.
I don't know what Kyrie's looks like when he comes
off the knee injury, but the rest of that roster
looks really, really athletic and can really defend. The Spurs.
They still make be a year or two away, but
it's it's not that far away. You got obviously Oklahoma City.
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I know it's a different state, but it's right during
that same corridor, and then the Houston Rockets. It's those
four are where the players and the draft picks and
the future seems to seems to live in the NBA.
What about Giannis, Is this the offseason that he gets moved?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I don't think so, because I don't think they make
a move like that. I'm not buying this idea that
he was unhappy. The Milwaukee Bucks are really making a
seismic move like that without Giannis knowing about it. To me,
that that move from Miles Turner and releasing Damian Lillard,
that's Milwaukee saying we're really gonna roll the dice here.
We have the best player in the Eastern Conference, the
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Eastern Conference about Jason Tatum, and without Tyres Haliburt for
the time being, looks like, you know, we have you know,
we could make a run here. So I don't think
it'll be this season, you know, trades like that. I mean,
I don't look at that trade before the deadline this year,
but any trade like that with the honest would usually
would probably take place before the draft. So I think
I think Milwaukee and Giannis are going to be together
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for at least a year. Know that that could all
change by you know, right around the draft next June.
But I think now he's going to be in and
to his credit, you know, he he is loyal to
the city and the franchise. You know, they drafted him.
He was a skinny guy out of Greece, nobody knew about.
He turned into a man there had incredible success. I mean,
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you know this the arena, the you know, the Arena there.
You know, a lot of the downtown area, that Deer District.
A lot of that has to do with the honest
he really changed the brand of the Milwaukee Bucks, and
it would be a big deal for them to trade him.
I think it would be a big deal for him
to get traded. But I think I think Milwaukee realizes
you look at San Antonio, you look at Houston, they
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have assets. Look at what the Brooklyn Mets have done
with all the assets they have there. The Golden State
Wars could potentially be in play, the Miami Heat. It would,
you know, be a lot of the usual suspect. But
I think I think the Bucks, if and when that
time were to come, I think they would do right
by Yannis. I think you could do right by them
and not make it. I'm sure he'd probably identify a
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few teams and they would just try to get the
best assets that they could.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sport Trader, that's the
voice of Frank Isola. Frank, Look, obviously we want to
talk NBA's big NBA free agency time, but what are
your thoughts on where the w NBA is now with
their handling. I mean, you just had the women's the
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players pull for the All Star Game had Caitlin Clark
as the ninth best guard in the league. Now again,
I'm I don't watch enough w NBA to tell you
if she's first or second or maybe ninth, but ninth
does seem a little low, and it fits the narrative
of they just don't like her. They don't like her
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even though she's helping them all get rich. What's your
read on what's going on in.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The w Well, the only thing I say about the
players in WNBA in this case, I think, you know,
every year the NBA does the same thing where the
fan vote means the most, which they should just let
the fans the fans game, whoever they voted into the game, whatever.
Let the fans happen. It's there, it's their game. But
you know, the fans I think would have half, you know,
half of the vote would be for the fans in
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the media, and the players would have the you know,
would make up the other twenty five percentage, gonna get
twenty five and the NBA players a lot of times,
you know, there were times when the media voted Lebron
and Kevin Durant unanimously as all Star starters, and the
players didn't. They had guys from like all over the place.
So some of that I have to take with a
grain of salt. I still think a lot of it
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goes back to last season. I think the league set
a bad tone by not putting on the Olympic team
Cheryl Reeves. But you know, the national team coach, who
is the Minnesota coach, came out with the tweet before
the first preseason game and she took a little dig
at Caitlyn Clark. I do think if David Stern were around,
he would have called up Cheryl Reeves and basically told
her stopped tweeting about Caitlin Clark. And he would have
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called the USA basket Ball and said, we know that
kate Linclark is going to be on this team, right
and they would have put her on the team. So
I think the way that she came into the league,
I mean, look at Page Becker's her. You know, entrance
into the league wasn't nearly as you know, it wasn't
nearly as many mine fields as Caitlin Clark had. But
come on, Doug, you know this duke runs men's basketball.
They're you know, they're everywhere in the NBA, and Yukon
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runs women's basketball. It's just the way it is, and
it just so happens. You know, Grant Hill is the
executive director of the men's national team, and it's Sue
I think believe now it's Sue ber is the executive
director of the women's national team. So that's pretty powerful.
My thing is, if Kitlin Clark went to Yukon, none
of this stuff would be going on. She would have
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been on the national team and she wouldn't be catching
as much grief as she catches. I think it's unfortunately.
I think the problem that the w NBA players have
that NBA players don't have. NBA players understand marketing and
they understand economics and they have common sense. I think
a lot of the players in the NBA need to
take an economics one on one course, a common sense
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one on one course, and a marketing one on one
course to really understand that. I think they're fighting something
which they don't. It's not in their best interest, but
for some reason they keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's frank I Sola. You hear him on Serious XM
NBA radio. You see him on ESPN you see him
on s n Y, you see him all over. He
does a great job. Frank, you're the best man, having
absolutely great fourth July. And thank you for being our guest.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
You too, Doug, take care of you.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Ah, it's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. That's
my guy, Dan Bayer. Oh so I'm doing I'm what
we're doing? Cow hurt on the fourth? Is that right?
Jay stew Are you doing that with me? Or are
you off?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
So?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I think I asked if you're doing it?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But uh, hurt on the fourth and I'll be working,
you know, Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And then Dan, are you doing my show or you off?
Or doing the herd with me?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
No, I'm not doing the hard I'm doing your show.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay. So you'll hear Dan next couple of days. This
is just an interesting one to me. Are you guys? Fireworks?
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now, I know you live in southern California, so you
can't really buy I mean legally the same fireworks you
can buy. But do you still enjoy a good you know,
semi street legal explosion.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I've become more and more. I loved it when I
was a kid. Then I don't know if I just
became too cool for school, like in my teens and twenties.
But I do appreciate them. Obviously there's dangers with fires
and possible injuries, but I have enjoyed them more I
could say, probably for the last decade or so.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Jase, do I think fireworks are first simpletons unless you're
a child. I think that people are who are motivated
to do fireworks or watch fireworks are just simple in nature.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I love simple. Dan is what they.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Call me, simple, simple dog. I'm just simple, all right, Sammy?
What about you?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I'm with Dan? I use simple Sam Well, sweet Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Was you.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Was your takeaway that you actually like it more now
in the last ten years, like you went.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Through that hole?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just yeah. I think when I was a teenager
and and you know my twenties is just like you know,
like what's that? I'm yeah, too cool? And now I
have a little bit more of an appreciation. I would
say that I loved it as a kid. Meant a lot.
Fourth July I meant a lot to me.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
We used I used to go down to Missouri with
my mom and buy fireworks, bring it back to our
our rural farm in Iowa, and shoot them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Off, have fun.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think now as an adult, I'm you know, like
occasional firework show is fun. But you know, I think
what I was really against drones in general, but drone
shows are very cool and they don't spook veterans. They
don't spook dogs or bees or birds. They can do
really cool stuff. But I will say some this rule
fireworks warehouse in California. I put this on my Twitter
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and I was Sam ninety nine. If you want to
check it out. This is a helicopter hovering over this
fireworks warehouse somewhere in California and County Yolo. Yeah, Yolo County.
Very fitting. You only live once, so don't blow your
fingers off. So it was smoking and all of a sudden,
just this massive Hollywood style explosion. Uh it was wild,
So check that out. But yeah, fireworks are cool once
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in a while, but you kind of get you see
enough shows, you're like, right.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Well, the fireworks shows are different that now looks some
of the firework shows are better than they used to be.
I agree with you on drone shows firework shows. I
am one of those like can we just get the finale? Like,
just give me. I'd rather have firework five minutes of
the finale than thirty minutes with a two minutes. But
but and I I I actually agree with Jason. But
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I think that's why we like it. Right, it's like
a it's like a primal thing. Yes, it's simple. We
like blowing stuff up. Now, I don't actually like the
ones that blow stuff up the M one thousands or whatever,
you know, the N eights to one thousands and there
are little mini sticks of dynamite. It can be fun.
But I really liked the ones that fire stuff up.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, I love four seasons. Yeah, the one that goes
you know, white to yellow to green to red and
then out.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It is. It's also an interesting cottage industry, right. It's
like could be the same people to do like Christmas trails,
could like uh pumpkin pumpkin patch, Christmas tree sales and
fireworks right and those people like only work a couple
of weeks out of the year and each of.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Those things and their carnies and well they're also travel
the way. They're like also in states where they're illegal,
which I never like understood, Like there are fireworks stores
where fireworks aren't legal, and I've always undered what.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The It goes back to that Joe dirt scene where
he's like, uh no, cirrih, we only have snakes and sparklers.
It's like where all your your fud Ruckers and your
your your belly blasters and your your feed ripples.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
By the way, that stuff is expensive.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's it's expensive. It's also sneaky expensive. Yes, it is
steaky expensive.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You guys.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Do you guys like the U. I was obsessed as
a kid with those fireworks. They would fire out the
little parrot shute guy. They would come sprinkling down. Then
you could go catch run after it and catch it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah. I think part of part of my love for
it is in California, didn't have them, didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You didn't have the fun like personal found.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
We had like flowers and then you had to like
peel off the flowers if you want to make something
snakes and sparky, yeah, or then you had to get
them one.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Tanks.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Tanks and boats were fun fire little cannons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh good tanks.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
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Speaker 6 (33:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, Dan Buyer, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The game today is for better or worse? Alright? Right
on topic, Doug for better or worse? Fourth of July
is the first topic. Daytime cookout versus nighttime fireworks? What's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean, a cookout is always better? You did you? Did?
You know? Put it in a little box of the
daytime cookout. The only thing about the daytime cookouts occasionally
a little too hot in some parts of the country
and you get some flies. But daytime cookout is better.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
All right, Doug for better or worse? I'm gonna call it.
British event, all right, Wimbledon versus the Open Championship.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Wimbled Open Championship worse again. Part of the magic at
the golf term is you got to decide do I
follow one group? Do I sit and just watch one hole?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It does the cold and windy whereas now Wimbledon they
have the dome and they got the strawberries and cream,
right or so we're told? Which I think is the
huge win Wimbledon?
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Better?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
All right? For better or worse? This is kind of
a two part question. The winner will move on to
the next question, free agency, the NFL versus NBA. Whose
free agency is better? You want?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Do you want in total like last five years or
do you want this year specifically.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Where we are right now? So I guess it would be.
You know, at this point, which one do you like better?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Is?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's kind of a mix, to be honest of what
you're going to go.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
NBA freegency traditionally better, and they're like last year was
a unique year in NFL freeency with Saquon Barkley specifically
and some others, but NBA freegency generally better.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Okay, So NBA moves on to face for better or worse?
MLB versus NBA and the reason why MLB got the
bye is because used to be the best. Yeah, hot stove, right,
it used to be the best.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But now you have guys not signing until like a
week before the spring training. MLB is now worse. It
used to be better. MLB is now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Worse, all right, speaking of Major League Baseball, will stick
with that despite their loss. Major League Baseball day games,
weekday day games or weekend day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Games weekday day games.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
There is something very unique about it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I like, it's like it's going on. It's like I'm
not really I'm supposed to be working. I'm not. Yes, yeah,
it's like playing hooky and and of course everybody relives
their their own Ferris Bueller's day off kind of moment. Right. Yeah.
I think day games, weekday that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's a there is a bit of NCAA tournament feel
with it.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah. Hey, I propose that there should be a section where,
you know, you have super high high powered Wi Fi
where guys can come open, open their laptops, have a beer,
do to knock out some work in between innings, and
then watch the game.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That'd be great.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Sometimes baseball players want to be on the nine to
five two you know, Yes, when I have a normal workday,
get done by four?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Do you guys you know my moist is a louse story? Right?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sam? Do you know it?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
We'll have to tell in another time ahead. You got
one more to get through it better or worse? Doug
decision maker Yannis versus the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Since it took a while for the Knicks to make
their head coach decision, we still don't know what Yannis's
decision is. Who's better or worse when it comes to
making decisions.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
The Knicks Knicks, Yanni's decision was uh, one on a
coach that wasn't ready for it, and to to get
Damian Lillard. Supposedly he was the big, big pushbind it.
So I'm gonna go nix.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
All right, and we've run out of time. That's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
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Speaker 1 (37:04):
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It is July the second. Yes, it's July already. July already.
That was for you there, jas too. Is it July already?
I think you tweeted at yesterday or the day before.
Not really sure. So let's get after with the topic
of the day. The long search is over. Two time
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NBA Coach of the Year Mike Brown is new head
coach of the New York Knicks, and he does, in
fact fit the bill. And you're like, what do you
mean fit the bill. There's a couple of things. First,
like I said, here's the amazing part about being a
two time NBA head Coach of the Year. There's actually
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a trend with that that he was fired a year
after both times he was NBA Coach of the year.
But I said previously and I meant it that if
you're going to replace Tom Thibodeau with another head coach
when Tibbs takes the Knicks to the conference finals for
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the first time in twenty five years, you have to
replace with somebody who has been to that level and beyond.
The NBA on some many levels is about respect. And
you know there's the catch twenty two of in order
to have the respect to the locker room, you have
to win in the NBA. In order to win in
the NBA, you have to have the respect of the
locker room. Well, Mike Brown, if you remember, was the
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head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Remember when Lebron James
and Booby Gibson and others went to the NBA Finals
early in Lebron's career and got swept. Who was the
head coach? Then? Mike Brown's the answer. So the problem
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is not in selecting Mike Brown. The problem is very
likely in the execution or lack there of a plan. Now,
can Brown deal with James Dolan as a crazy owner?
Per se? Yeah, he had Vivid Rennedive as his owner.
How crazy is Vivic grinned dive. The veck Grenna DV
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owner of the Kings, once upon a time coached his
daughter's AAU team, and they had a unique style where
they pressed and they left one one young woman underneath
their own basket so that every time they got the ball,
they flung it up the court, basically playing four on
five on defense. So they'd sacrificed that so they could
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get wide open lamps on offense. And there was a
time when he actually wanted that strategy tried in the
G League before they could try it in the NBA.
These words were set out loud in professional basketball offices
and thought about, and one coach was actually, I believe
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was fired because of it because he didn't want to
do it. He wouldn't have anything of it. So if
you could survive that, you could survive Sacramento. And oh yeah,
by the way, he turned Sacramento from you know, from
a desolate kind of wasteland of coaches, even with really
good Mike Malone was there, right, and they got rid
of Mike Malone to playing a fun up and down style.
(04:00):
Is that because Mike Brown's been to the finals, because
he's seen as a great dude, somebody who can work
with anybody, somebody who's won, but much more offensive minded.
My guess is he's the opposite of Tibbs, and Tibbs
was I'm gonna do it my way, this way, we're
gonna do it. We're gonna do defense first, We're gonna
grind with our top seven guys, and if no one
else plays, that's fine. Mike Brown's like, hey, whatever, man,
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let's just go out, have fun, run, score a bunch
of points, and you know, we'll figure it out the end.
And it's worked some That's just a guess, but he
passes that bar of you can't fire a guy who
took you to the conference finals unless you hire somebody
who's gone beyond the conference finals. So I think because
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of where we started, where we get to feels disappointed
to some. But when you take a breath and go like, yeah,
I mean, Tibbs had been successful in the NBA, but
it's not like he'd never been to the conference finals before.
It's not like he's set the world on fire in
the playoffs. It is a more offensive mind the league.
You do have to guard people. Mike Brown had played,
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you know, turned his style into a wide open one.
He's in the Sacramento. It worked, it was fun, people came,
people watched, and the team was relative is successful. He
was successful with the Golden State Warriors during the interim
stint and really well. He liked, well, liked, And this
is It's no different than when you're in a relationship, right,
you get married, you get divorced. Who's the next woman
(05:32):
you date? Well, if she was blonde, sometimes it's a burnett.
If she has short hair, now it's long hair. If
she's more passive, you get somebody who's more aggressive. You
date the opposite, or maybe you have a type and
everybody you date looks exactly the same and you just
substitute in name tags. I don't know, but most dudes,
it feels like go from one you know from from
polar opposes, just like with just like with coaches, you
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have Timbs who's heavy handed, demanding, kind of gruff on
his it only works with his guys, doesn't play a
deep bench, and wants to play defensive minded ball. Regards
to the fact that if you actually watched Tims team,
they played pretty free, pretty easy on offense, but persona wise,
style wise seen as defensive first, gritty, mentality, you know,
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not a guy that constantly has a smile on his face.
And oh yeah, by the way, he happens to be white.
The Knicks hire a guy who'd been slightly more successful
in the playoffs but loved by a lot of people.
Super likable guy, play a fast style. He happens to
be black as well, and I'm guessing plays more of
his bench. And I actually think this becomes the year
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in which my dad used to tell me something about
guys that follow Bill Parcell's like that first year you
get there, still they still have ingrained in them all
of the little discipline oriented things that made Bill Parcells
arguably the greatest coach of our generation in the National
Football League. But then it comes some of the kind
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of free spirit and oh the dictator's gone. And that
first year you actually kind of get the best of
both worlds. You get the new energy combined with the
discipline of Parcels. Now year two it gets really hard
because parcells stuff did in fact work, The discipline was needed,
and some of that disappears over time. And I think
that'll be a challenge to Mike Brown in year two.
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But right now you're one. I don't know, I don't
hate it. I think the part that's killing the Knicks
is the perception. Right if you fire a guy and
the job is open this long, you couldn't get your
first guy, you couldn't get your second guy, you couldn't
get your third guy. Well, they end up getting the
guy who's NBA Coach of the Year two years ago,
and it's happened to him twice. He's very familiar with
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the East. It actually makes sense if if you take out,
you know, you take out the the guys they tried
to talk to, the timing and how TIBs was fired,
all of those things. Byer, Does it make sense to you,
Dad Buyer?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I mean you've the search didn't make sense, but the
hiring ultimately, I think is fine. I think you can
point your point about the time in Sacramento and we've
seen kind of how that organization is completely revamped itself
from that playoff year that were just a couple of
seasons removed from where they took the Warriors to seven games,
and you can you can blame it on ownership, or
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you could blame it on what was going on in
the front office and not have Mike Brown take any
other responsibility. So yeah, it was it was fine. I
just the search process of them going to all the
other teams when you had a Mike Brown out there,
when you had a Taylor Jenkins who you also spoke with.
I don't think they even talked with Michael Malone. But
so that that whole deal was the search was crazy.
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But ultimately you get Mike Brown. It's fine. Hire. I
don't know if it's a lot remove, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, that's it. It's this is the Airs would like.
It's like when you on a basketball team runs an
offensive set, nobody executes it particularly well, and then they
jump up and knock down a shot and you're like, eh, yeah,
good coaching, you know. Yeah, so that's what the Knicks did, right.
(09:24):
The Knicks passed the ball around a bunch of times.
Guys dribbled it, dribble it, dribble it. What are we doing?
And then they throw it to Jail and Bruns and
he throws in a questionable shot. He goes in and
you're like, hey, good job. I'm probably too close to
it because I know Mike really well. I think he's
a fantastic guy. I think he you know, the the
Lakers stint was he probably butchered trying to bring in
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Eddie Jordan to run Princeton style offense. It was a
great thought. He got to clear it with Kobe Bryant
if you want to work. But again, Mike's been around
it long enough, you know, to to have learned from
his mistakes and how to handle it. And look, maybe
it's what got him fired in Sacramento. Remember the waning
(10:07):
days of his time in Sacramento. He was He pointed
out that Daron Fox kind of butchered something late in
the game, said that to the media, and then supposedly
Darren Fox was unhappy. Then he gets fired, and then
Darren Fox like, why'd Darren Fox? Like, why'd you fire him?
I liked him? Why'd you fire him? And then Darreon
Fox gets traded.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, yeah, Like I almost give him a pass, honestly,
and I know that, Like his Coach of the Year
honors were with Lebron and the Calves and with the
it wasn't one with the Lakers, but said him. Think,
but the point is it's tough to coach superstars as well.
So like if you're gonna look at him and say
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what kind of coaches. He I would look at the
Sacramento tenure more than I would the other two.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Or you could say, remember he got fired after a
fifty one win season with the Cleveland Cavaliers, right when
they lost to the Bots of Celtics in the playoffs.
And then when they fired him, they again, the Calves
thought they were firing him because Lebron didn't like him,
and Leron may not have liked him, but it didn't
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stop Lebron from leaving and going to Miami. Those two
things go inside with each other, Yeah, Jase do so?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Can we drove down on something that Buyer brought up?
And he brought it up a couple of weeks ago too,
and I agree. You know, the Knicks took this kind
of like you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs
kind of thing to the offseason, and I'm guessing they
pissed off a bunch of teams, like trade partners, Like,
how if they ultimately landed on a guy who was
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a free agent to begin with, didn't they piss off
trade partners along the way? Aren't they aren't teams less
likely to deal with the Knicks now because they caused
this disturbance with their head coaches, and it forced them
to have to pay their head coaches or it forced
them to have this these public acknowledgements. Isn't there a
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a net negative here?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Maybe? Maybe, but one it's not show friends as show business. Secondly,
I think the the easy landing place if you did
feel like there were feelings that were hurt, is hey,
we could have gone and talked to those guys without
clearing with you. We didn't have to do that right,
Like we could have done the agent thing where we
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talked to the agent and never actually you know, make
the formal ask so we can say we did the
right thing. I think it's more, yeah, you fire tips
and people get excited, and this happens in all coaching jobs.
Like if Mike Brown's name head coach, like yeah, I
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like Mike Brownie's fine, Like like Dan said, like be fine.
But if you fired tips, you're like, ooh, they got
to have something big going on, you know, And it's
it's a lot like you say, hey, listen, we turned down.
You know, Brad Pitt wanted this role. We told him
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like we didn't think he was a good fake, Like oh,
you turned down Brad, Pitt. Okay, well that means you're
going after somebody really really big and they end up
getting kind of a solid B list actor, and like, really,
that's that's it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Multiple coaches got contract extensions or modified contracts because the
Knicks wanted to talk to them. Billy Donovan in Chicago
was the one that really stood out. Yeah they screwed Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah yeah. Will they get a trade with Chicago anyway?
Does it matter anyway? Maybe? You know, maybe, I don't know.
Does it hurt your trade partners? I guess you know,
I don't think anybody's gonna call them and hand them
Luka Doncic the way that the way that the Mavericks
handed him to the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yes, yes, Sam, I'm just curious if we'll have another
moment like this like Mike Brown had in front of
the Sacramento media where he really drilled down on the
importance of possessions.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Just need to be methodical stacking or playing the right way.
Possession after possession, after possession, What about the next after
possession and the next after possession? Okay, after possession after possession, Okay,
after possession after possession.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
How do you think the new York Media would take
something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
They would play it probably fifteen or twenty times over
and over and over and over and over again. Yes, yes,
I will. I'm going to warn everybody the crew is
kind of in a mood we had. You're gonna want
to listen to the podcast. It's a great discussion about
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circumcision in the podcast. I just I'll leave it at that.
I'll cut my remark short. So we did there, cut
my right short. The crew is in a bit of
a mood, and it's a good mood, but it's definitely
like a snappy, kind of like sarcastic mood. So again,
just throwing that warning out to you. If you're listening today.
Dan's got on a good looking golf shirt. That means
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he's probably hitting the links after the show. That's just
a guess.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Or yeah, the laundry was not completed.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, I forgot to Dan, that shirt makes me want
to eat orange sherbets bright.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I can go on this very appealing.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
You also clim up trash inside of the Road.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
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Speaker 1 (15:37):
The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I mean this.
According to the Athletics Stan Wiki, Lakers are already targeting
Al Horford. His call is A colleague Sam Ameck, who's
also from the Athletic said that the Warriors are too
Warriors could end up they could end up a key
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piece in the battle for a three nine year old center. Again,
my my thing is this, Like DeAndre Ayton is DeAndre
and officially a Laker? Dan Byer did he did he
sign with the Lakers?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, No, again, that was supposedly he was. They were
one of the final teams. It's like DeAndre Ayton, I
I look, I understand what Lebron's people are kind of saying, like, hey,
they're they're kind of threwed here, right not coulda probably
not gonna win a title this year. And I don't
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understand Ayton. I don't understand Horford. Like the best thing
Luca does is come off of pick and roll and
either score it, pass it, or throw a lob. And
you have to have a lob threat. And they don't
seem to like jacksonay So why aren't they going after
that type of center? You know who might know Frank Iola,
(16:56):
He joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, long time NBA writer.
You see him on ESPN, herby the Yes Network, on
Serious XM as well. He joins us now on Fox
Sports Radio. What was your opinion this would have been
like a backward around the horn existed great around the
horn topic. Lebron James's agent comes out and is like, hey,
(17:18):
Lebron wants to win a championship, so we're going to
explore our options after he just re ups with the
Lakers with the player option. What was what was your
read on that?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Yeah, well, first of all, don't be hating DeAndre and
all right we'll start there, Doug. I do think it's funny.
I always love that he's monitoring the situation. Well, guess what,
somebody break the news to him that the Lakers just
signed the guy that's gonna be forty one on December
thirtieth to a fifty three contract, which kind of which
kind of hurts him a little bit. I'm not telling
him to take less he could. Obviously, he's earned the
(17:50):
right to do that that that's in his contract, but
you mentioned it. The biggest issue that the Lakers have
is that they're in the Western Conference, and you were
talking about centers that they can get. You know, Nick
Claxton would certainly fill the bill. I don't think he's
been traded yet, like he would be available from the nets.
But you know, the Lakers are gonna have to give
up a first round pick if they if they want
to acquire Nick Claxon. But Lebron, Lebron's in a tough situation.
(18:11):
You know, it's amazing that we're still talking about the
guy after after all these years. The best thing for
him would be to figure out a way to go
come to the Eastern Conference, Like I don't know why
Kevin Durant didn't try to do that. All the teams
are in the West while the East is wide open
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, okay, so the East is wide open. The New
York knicks Hire Mike Brown, what do you think of
the higher Well.
Speaker 7 (18:38):
I like Mike Brown a lot and obviously as a
good you know record. You know, he got to coach
Lebron a lot in Cleveland, which which certainly helps. It's
it's strange because you know, you go out and you
made it to the conference finals first time in twenty
five years, and then it decide to get rid of
their coach. And I think they're targeted for a long
time with Jason Kidd, and you know, I think that's
(19:00):
why there's probably dragon as long as they did. They
tried to get Jason Kidd. You know, they couldn't even
get permission to speak to him. And then you know
they did talk to the Rockets. They tried, so they
went after four four coaches that we know of that
are under contract. So if you're doing that, come on, Doug,
if you're getting if you're trying to talk to get
a turn in the contract, that's the guy that are hiring.
So it sounds like that Mike Brown at at best
(19:21):
would have been their fifth choice. But you know that
doesn't make them the wrong choice. And you know, many
years ago, I think it was you know, all the
way back in ninety six. I know it's ancient history,
but you know, when Joe Torrey got hired by the Yankees,
nobody thought it was a good hire. Than the next thing,
you know, he's part of a dynasty there. Mike Brown's
walking into a good situation. Like you just said, wide
open the East. The Knicks do have a talented roster,
(19:42):
but there's gonna be a lot of pressure on them.
The Knicks won ten playoff games last year. I mean
this past season the most since ninety nine. They made
the conference finals first time since two thousands. Of the
expectations like the pressure are going to be through the roof.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I tend to agree there. Kevin Rant to Houston,
Houston's made a lot of moves. Several people like it.
What do you think about Houston and their evolution?
Speaker 7 (20:09):
I like it a lot. I kind of I always
thought would they try to make a run at Devin Booker,
you know, for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant still has in
my opinion, a lot left. The problem is can he
stay healthy? And we did have a really I thought
the season overall was disappointing because they didn't get at
the tenth place in the Western Conference. But you know,
Imadoka was an assistant coach in Brooklyn when Kevin Durant
(20:29):
was there, so they have a relationship. I think they
have a really good young nucleus around them, especially the
kid Thompson who's terrific. They got some toughness with guys
like fred van Fleet and what you like about the rocket.
They still have the asset to make a run at
Giannis if and when, you know, Jannis does become available
and wants out of Milwaukee. So I think it works
(20:51):
out well for Kevin Durant. The one thing about Kevin
Durant which I don't understand, I still tie it to
like not being married and not having kids. If he
had that, he'd be like the rest of us. He'd
be kind of miser So he spends most of his
time being miserable about silly things like fighting people on
social media and things like that. Like Kevin Durant never
seems to be happy. I don't get it. I mean,
even just recently. You look at some of his social
(21:11):
media activities, just like going going after people. I don't
understand it for like a guy that I mean, I
don't know. You look across sports, like the all time
grades in any sport, whether it's tennis, football, basketball, soccer,
like an all time greader. They really just randomly calling
after people on social media. I don't understand that part
about Kevin Durant. But when it as it relates to
how good Houston could be. I mean, come on, Doug.
(21:32):
They were the second seed last year, they won fifty
two games. There were a young team. I get it.
They got knocked out in the Game seven by Golden State,
but they're going to be a legit contender in the
Western Conference.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I agree. I actually think the NBA, I think the
Texas teams are loaded for battle. I mean, we don't know.
I don't know what Kyrie's looks like when he comes
off the knee injury, but the rest of that roster
looks really, really athletic and can really defend. The Spurs.
They still make be a year or two away, but
it's it's not that far away. You got obviously Oklahoma City.
(22:05):
I know it's a different state, but it's right during
that same corridor, and then the Houston Rockets. It's those
four are where the players and the draft picks and
the future seems to seems to live in the NBA.
What about Giannis, Is this the offseason that he gets moved?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
I don't think so, because I don't think they make
a move like that. I'm not buying this idea that
he was unhappy. The Milwaukee Bucks are really making a
seismic move like that without Giannis knowing about it. To me,
that that move from Miles Turner and releasing Damian Lillard,
that's Milwaukee saying we're really gonna roll the dice here.
We have the best player in the Eastern Conference, the
(22:41):
Eastern Conference about Jason Tatum, and without Tyres Haliburt for
the time being, looks like, you know, we have you know,
we could make a run here. So I don't think
it'll be this season, you know, trades like that. I mean,
I don't look at that trade before the deadline this year,
but any trade like that with the honest would usually
would probably take place before the draft. So I think
I think Milwaukee and Giannis are going to be together
(23:03):
for at least a year. Know that that could all
change by you know, right around the draft next June.
But I think now he's going to be in and
to his credit, you know, he he is loyal to
the city and the franchise. You know, they drafted him.
He was a skinny guy out of Greece, nobody knew about.
He turned into a man there had incredible success. I mean,
(23:23):
you know this the arena, the you know, the Arena there.
You know, a lot of the downtown area, that Deer District.
A lot of that has to do with the honest
he really changed the brand of the Milwaukee Bucks, and
it would be a big deal for them to trade him.
I think it would be a big deal for him
to get traded. But I think I think Milwaukee realizes
you look at San Antonio, you look at Houston, they
(23:44):
have assets. Look at what the Brooklyn Mets have done
with all the assets they have there. The Golden State
Wars could potentially be in play, the Miami Heat. It would,
you know, be a lot of the usual suspect. But
I think I think the Bucks, if and when that
time were to come, I think they would do right
by Yannis. I think you could do right by them
and not make it. I'm sure he'd probably identify a
(24:04):
few teams and they would just try to get the
best assets that they could.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sport Trader, that's the
voice of Frank Isola. Frank, Look, obviously we want to
talk NBA's big NBA free agency time, but what are
your thoughts on where the w NBA is now with
their handling. I mean, you just had the women's the
(24:28):
players pull for the All Star Game had Caitlin Clark
as the ninth best guard in the league. Now again,
I'm I don't watch enough w NBA to tell you
if she's first or second or maybe ninth, but ninth
does seem a little low, and it fits the narrative
of they just don't like her. They don't like her
(24:50):
even though she's helping them all get rich. What's your
read on what's going on in.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The w Well, the only thing I say about the
players in WNBA in this case, I think, you know,
every year the NBA does the same thing where the
fan vote means the most, which they should just let
the fans the fans game, whoever they voted into the game, whatever.
Let the fans happen. It's there, it's their game. But
you know, the fans I think would have half, you know,
half of the vote would be for the fans in
(25:15):
the media, and the players would have the you know,
would make up the other twenty five percentage, gonna get
twenty five and the NBA players a lot of times,
you know, there were times when the media voted Lebron
and Kevin Durant unanimously as all Star starters, and the
players didn't. They had guys from like all over the place.
So some of that I have to take with a
grain of salt. I still think a lot of it
(25:36):
goes back to last season. I think the league set
a bad tone by not putting on the Olympic team
Cheryl Reeves. But you know, the national team coach, who
is the Minnesota coach, came out with the tweet before
the first preseason game and she took a little dig
at Caitlyn Clark. I do think if David Stern were around,
he would have called up Cheryl Reeves and basically told
her stopped tweeting about Caitlin Clark. And he would have
(25:59):
called the USA basket Ball and said, we know that
kate Linclark is going to be on this team, right
and they would have put her on the team. So
I think the way that she came into the league,
I mean, look at Page Becker's her. You know, entrance
into the league wasn't nearly as you know, it wasn't
nearly as many mine fields as Caitlin Clark had. But
come on, Doug, you know this duke runs men's basketball.
They're you know, they're everywhere in the NBA, and Yukon
(26:22):
runs women's basketball. It's just the way it is, and
it just so happens. You know, Grant Hill is the
executive director of the men's national team, and it's Sue
I think believe now it's Sue ber is the executive
director of the women's national team. So that's pretty powerful.
My thing is, if Kitlin Clark went to Yukon, none
of this stuff would be going on. She would have
(26:43):
been on the national team and she wouldn't be catching
as much grief as she catches. I think it's unfortunately.
I think the problem that the w NBA players have
that NBA players don't have. NBA players understand marketing and
they understand economics and they have common sense. I think
a lot of the players in the NBA need to
take an economics one on one course, a common sense
(27:05):
one on one course, and a marketing one on one
course to really understand that. I think they're fighting something
which they don't. It's not in their best interest, but
for some reason they keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's frank I Sola. You hear him on Serious XM
NBA radio. You see him on ESPN you see him
on s n Y, you see him all over. He
does a great job. Frank, you're the best man, having
absolutely great fourth July. And thank you for being our guest.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
You too, Doug, take care of you.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Ah, it's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. That's
my guy, Dan Bayer. Oh so I'm doing I'm what
we're doing? Cow hurt on the fourth? Is that right?
Jay stew Are you doing that with me? Or are
you off?
Speaker 7 (27:51):
So?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I think I asked if you're doing it?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But uh, hurt on the fourth and I'll be working,
you know, Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And then Dan, are you doing my show or you off?
Or doing the herd with me?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
No, I'm not doing the hard I'm doing your show.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay. So you'll hear Dan next couple of days. This
is just an interesting one to me. Are you guys? Fireworks?
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now, I know you live in southern California, so you
can't really buy I mean legally the same fireworks you
can buy. But do you still enjoy a good you know,
semi street legal explosion.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I've become more and more. I loved it when I
was a kid. Then I don't know if I just
became too cool for school, like in my teens and twenties.
But I do appreciate them. Obviously there's dangers with fires
and possible injuries, but I have enjoyed them more I
could say, probably for the last decade or so.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Jase, do I think fireworks are first simpletons unless you're
a child. I think that people are who are motivated
to do fireworks or watch fireworks are just simple in nature.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I love simple. Dan is what they.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Call me, simple, simple dog. I'm just simple, all right, Sammy?
What about you?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I'm with Dan? I use simple Sam Well, sweet Dan?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Was you.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Was your takeaway that you actually like it more now
in the last ten years, like you went.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Through that hole?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I just yeah. I think when I was a teenager
and and you know my twenties is just like you know,
like what's that? I'm yeah, too cool? And now I
have a little bit more of an appreciation. I would
say that I loved it as a kid. Meant a lot.
Fourth July I meant a lot to me.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
We used I used to go down to Missouri with
my mom and buy fireworks, bring it back to our
our rural farm in Iowa, and shoot them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Off, have fun.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I think now as an adult, I'm you know, like
occasional firework show is fun. But you know, I think
what I was really against drones in general, but drone
shows are very cool and they don't spook veterans. They
don't spook dogs or bees or birds. They can do
really cool stuff. But I will say some this rule
fireworks warehouse in California. I put this on my Twitter
(29:58):
and I was Sam ninety nine. If you want to
check it out. This is a helicopter hovering over this
fireworks warehouse somewhere in California and County Yolo. Yeah, Yolo County.
Very fitting. You only live once, so don't blow your
fingers off. So it was smoking and all of a sudden,
just this massive Hollywood style explosion. Uh it was wild,
So check that out. But yeah, fireworks are cool once
(30:19):
in a while, but you kind of get you see
enough shows, you're like, right.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Well, the fireworks shows are different that now looks some
of the firework shows are better than they used to be.
I agree with you on drone shows firework shows. I
am one of those like can we just get the finale? Like,
just give me. I'd rather have firework five minutes of
the finale than thirty minutes with a two minutes. But
but and I I I actually agree with Jason. But
(30:45):
I think that's why we like it. Right, it's like
a it's like a primal thing. Yes, it's simple. We
like blowing stuff up. Now, I don't actually like the
ones that blow stuff up the M one thousands or whatever,
you know, the N eights to one thousands and there
are little mini sticks of dynamite. It can be fun.
But I really liked the ones that fire stuff up.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, I love four seasons. Yeah, the one that goes
you know, white to yellow to green to red and
then out.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
It is. It's also an interesting cottage industry, right. It's
like could be the same people to do like Christmas trails,
could like uh pumpkin pumpkin patch, Christmas tree sales and
fireworks right and those people like only work a couple
of weeks out of the year and each of.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Those things and their carnies and well they're also travel
the way. They're like also in states where they're illegal,
which I never like understood, Like there are fireworks stores
where fireworks aren't legal, and I've always undered what.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
The It goes back to that Joe dirt scene where
he's like, uh no, cirrih, we only have snakes and sparklers.
It's like where all your your fud Ruckers and your
your your belly blasters and your your feed ripples.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
By the way, that stuff is expensive.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It's it's expensive. It's also sneaky expensive. Yes, it is
steaky expensive.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You guys.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Do you guys like the U. I was obsessed as
a kid with those fireworks. They would fire out the
little parrot shute guy. They would come sprinkling down. Then
you could go catch run after it and catch it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah. I think part of part of my love for
it is in California, didn't have them, didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You didn't have the fun like personal found.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
We had like flowers and then you had to like
peel off the flowers if you want to make something
snakes and sparky, yeah, or then you had to get
them one.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Tanks.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Tanks and boats were fun fire little cannons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh good tanks.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
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Speaker 6 (33:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, Dan Buyer, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The game today is for better or worse? Alright? Right
on topic, Doug for better or worse? Fourth of July
is the first topic. Daytime cookout versus nighttime fireworks? What's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean, a cookout is always better? You did you? Did?
You know? Put it in a little box of the
daytime cookout. The only thing about the daytime cookouts occasionally
a little too hot in some parts of the country
and you get some flies. But daytime cookout is better.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
All right, Doug for better or worse? I'm gonna call it.
British event, all right, Wimbledon versus the Open Championship.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Wimbled Open Championship worse again. Part of the magic at
the golf term is you got to decide do I
follow one group? Do I sit and just watch one hole?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It does the cold and windy whereas now Wimbledon they
have the dome and they got the strawberries and cream,
right or so we're told? Which I think is the
huge win Wimbledon?
Speaker 7 (34:18):
Better?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
All right? For better or worse? This is kind of
a two part question. The winner will move on to
the next question, free agency, the NFL versus NBA. Whose
free agency is better? You want?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Do you want in total like last five years or
do you want this year specifically.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Where we are right now? So I guess it would be.
You know, at this point, which one do you like better?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Is?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's kind of a mix, to be honest of what
you're going to go.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
NBA freegency traditionally better, and they're like last year was
a unique year in NFL freeency with Saquon Barkley specifically
and some others, but NBA freegency generally better.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Okay, So NBA moves on to face for better or worse?
MLB versus NBA and the reason why MLB got the
bye is because used to be the best. Yeah, hot stove, right,
it used to be the best.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But now you have guys not signing until like a
week before the spring training. MLB is now worse. It
used to be better. MLB is now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Worse, all right, speaking of Major League Baseball, will stick
with that despite their loss. Major League Baseball day games,
weekday day games or weekend day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Games weekday day games.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
There is something very unique about it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I like, it's like it's going on. It's like I'm
not really I'm supposed to be working. I'm not. Yes, yeah,
it's like playing hooky and and of course everybody relives
their their own Ferris Bueller's day off kind of moment. Right. Yeah.
I think day games, weekday that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's a there is a bit of NCAA tournament feel
with it.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah. Hey, I propose that there should be a section where,
you know, you have super high high powered Wi Fi
where guys can come open, open their laptops, have a beer,
do to knock out some work in between innings, and
then watch the game.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That'd be great.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Sometimes baseball players want to be on the nine to
five two you know, Yes, when I have a normal workday,
get done by four?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Do you guys you know my moist is a louse story? Right?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Sam? Do you know it?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
We'll have to tell in another time ahead. You got
one more to get through it better or worse? Doug
decision maker Yannis versus the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Since it took a while for the Knicks to make
their head coach decision, we still don't know what Yannis's
decision is. Who's better or worse when it comes to
making decisions.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
The Knicks Knicks, Yanni's decision was uh, one on a
coach that wasn't ready for it, and to to get
Damian Lillard. Supposedly he was the big, big pushbind it.
So I'm gonna go nix.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
All right, and we've run out of time. That's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
In So this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
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