August 21, 2017 • 41 mins
Doug argues the Lakers and Magic Johnson might have gone from "breaking the rules" to "cheating" and why that might qualify as tampering. He talks about NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell possibly getting a contract extension and why he is completely deserving of one. Plus, Doug talks to Super Bowl Champ Anquan Boldin about his decision to recently retire from the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live from the City of Angels, where Um,
Maggie Johnson, Mayo got his hot and Sean Trouble. Oh
Magic Johnson. We'll get to that in one second. Oh
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Man Petro's Papadacus. Who's uh he hold co host the
number one afternoon show in the City of Angels. We'll
talk to him about magic. Um, we may talk a
little Doyers with him. Clayton Kershaw throw off the mountain today.
We have a lot to Jared Goff statistically was really good,
but is he actually going to be really good? A
happy eclipse state to you. Did you step outside and
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watch the eclipse? I'm waiting for the president to take
take full credit for the eclipse. Did not happen during
the previous previous administration. He is technically correct. It happened bigly.
It did happen bigly. Ramos, did you see the eclipse?
I went outside, yes, to see a little bit of
the partial eclipse here in l A and got a
little dim outside. Yeah, it looked it looked like a
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crescent moon. Only the crescent moon was actually the sun
because the moon was blocking it off. I tweeted out, Lord,
just give us a give us a sign that we
are running that we're running a miss, right, just give
us a sun like block out the sun or something? No, no, alright.
So look, we got college football this weekend. Did you
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know that Stanford is playing against Rice down in Australia
this weekend? So we are It is game week kids,
welcome in. Plus, we got Mayweather versus McGregor. Will be
headed to Sin City on Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. We'll
be joining you live from Las Vegas and Kwan Bolden
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the Kan called it a career. He will join us
in an hour and a half. I'll ask him like
I did, why you why is it? Is it the
bills that cause you to quit? Like the bill so bad? You?
Like you know what? This is truly the end of
the road. He walked out there. He's like, I can't
do it, can't do it, can't work for the bills.
We kid, of course, and I will tell you in
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mere moments why Roger Goodell is getting a contract extension
even though many people in my industry think he should
be fired. That's because they're in the wrong industry. But
but this Magic Johnson story is there's parallels to it
in your life. There's parallels to it in collegiate sports,
and there's obviously parallels to it in professional sports. Like
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there are certain things. Do you know this that in
Japan it is part of the culture of Japan to
have a mold, to have a spy embedded deep in
your rivals company. Did you know that that's like part
of their culture, That is that it's accepted part of
their culture. And so oftentimes what you see with Japanese
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car manufacturers is the cars when they have a completely
new body style, looks a lot like one another. And
it's not one of those like well like minds think alike. Now,
it's more they all have spies and somebody comes up
with a good idea and they take it back to
their company has got a good idea, and they just
add to it, like all these cars kind of like
the same at the same time. Um, But there's a
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difference between breaking rules and cheating. And I think the
best parallel to this is collegian sports. Nick Saban breaks
rules all the time and recruiting there are secondary rules
violations times when you're not supposed to be able to
talk to kids, when you're just the supposed to go
and evaluate them that Nick Saban and his staff have.
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I've been told by multiple assistant coaches from multiple schools. Hey,
they'll just grab a kid sitting down with them in
a private room and have a discussion with him after
a practice that they saw to which they're only supposed
to evaluate and not supposed to make contact with. Now,
that is breaking NCA rules, but that is not. But
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I think anybody's estimation cheating, cheating is buying kids changing
their grades, covering up some sort of past or present
future criminal activity in order to keep them eligible. Those
things are cheating, and those they're not frowned upon. They're
not allowed, and if you're found to have done them,
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you will, you will face the wrath of the n
c A and you'll be turned in by other universities.
Whereas the rule breaking, then nobody likes it. But nobody
thinks that the rules are great. Nobody think it's that
thinks it's that that that huge a deal, that's much
of a game changer. That's the case with the NBA. Look,
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the NBA can't control whether or not your players are
recruiting Paul George. The NBA can't control what goes on
on television shows. The in regards to being broadcast from
l A and selling Los Angeles, selling the Lakers, selling
the Lord of the History, the salary cap open. But
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what the Lakers are being alleged to have done is
not breaking the rules. They're being alleged to have cheated,
to have cheated. Hey, dude, you can't openly opine for
Paul George to be on your team. This is the reason,
by the way, that college colleges when you transfer, unless
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you're a grad transfer, you have to sit for a year.
Be like, why why do they have to sit for
a year, because otherwise you would have mass tampering you
in the handshake line, you'd be like, you should play
for us next year? Or even what Magic Johnson did
on was on Jimmy Kimmel where you wink, wink, nudge, nudge, right, Like,
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you have to be more clever about it than Magic.
If you're on vacation and you run into Paul George,
are you not allowed to speak to him? No, We're
gonna say hi because we know each other can say, hey,
I want you to come to the Lakers, even though
I'm gonna be wink winking, like you know what that means?
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You know what I mean? Right, Like, yeah, dude, we
know what you mean. But you can't say you know
what I mean? You know what I mean? Like magic
strikes me as Who is the guy ramos here, the
movie guy ramas here as much of a movie guy
as I am. By the way, I'm catching up, catching
up to speed on the Americans. That that's that's currently
what I'm binging on. I don't know what you've been
binging on. But do you remember the scene from Good
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Fellas Ramas where great movie, Good Fellas, right, great movie,
great movie. Do you remember after thet off Tonza heist
and he, you know, he told de Niro's character told
everybody not to buy anything? Yes, all right? Do you
remember who was the guy who bought something? It bought
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his wife a Cadillac and he and he was like, hey,
I told you not to buy anything. It was the
guy with the frizzy kind of frizzy hair, right that
he had like the black kind of frizzy hair looking.
I don't know his name, but I know who you're
talking about. I remember him telling him when he did
buy it, and he said, just take it back, take
it back, take it back, right. That's what Magic Johnson
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reminds me of, Like, Hey, look, we're all we have
a president who used to be an agent, who has
all these guys that that that he is currently recruiting
without recruiting. We have two open salary cap spots. We
we think we're going to get Lebron James. We're in
Los Angeles. We think we're going to get the number
one or number two to overall pick. We like, you
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just can't go on national TV and be like, you
know what I'm saying. Yes, we do all know what
you're saying, So too, does a commissioner. It looks bad,
it draws attention to it, Take it back, take it back,
don't buy anything. What did I tell you? What's the
matter with you? What's the matter with you? Magic? Did
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I tell you not to say anything? Don't say anything
about Paul George? Did I tell you not to say anything?
Don't say anything at all? He could have gone full
Robert de Niro to Jimmy Kimmel. Instead, he's like, you
know what I'm saying he became he became the guy
who bought the car and had to take it back. Now, look,
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cheating is in this particular case is really really hard
to prove, all right, really hard to prove, but it
it's it's more this. Here's what the Pacers are saying.
We're pissed you undermine the credibility of our organization. We
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had a player who was under contract for a year
and a half and all of a sudden, he's like,
I want to go to l A, like out of nowhere.
Like That's just not the way it happens. That's just
not the way it works. And so now the Oklahoma
City Thunder become the rebound team for Paul George, right,
because you don't want to go straight out one relationship
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to the other relationship, because then you know that there
has to be a rebound relationship. That's what it is
for Paul George. And as insult to injury, the Thunder
are now probably not gonna get Paul George either. Have
you noticed Brussell Westbrook hasn't signed his contract. Attention would
be the biggest contract extension the history of the NBA.
Five years, two seventeen million, dollars and he has till October,
but it's he has the fake paper. Always do sign
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and he has not signed. As a chance they lose
them both to the Lakers. If if Lebron doesn't go,
they're both from l a and they'll have a year
of playing together establishing chemistry. Or one could go to
the Clippers, one could go to the Lakers, or they
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could both go to the Clippers. Or they could both
go to the Lakers. The bigger problem is magic. Don't
say anything. What are you doing? There's a difference between
breaking the rules and cheating. The Lakers are alleged to
have cheated, not broken the rules, and the only way
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you know that they have cheated is that they got
turned in by another team. The same thing as true
as I told you with Nick Saban. The reason he
hasn't been turned in by another team is all I've
really done has broken the rules. Right. Everybody thinks the
rules are kind of stupid, But the second you go
into your pocket, like Mississippi State turning in Mississippi, it
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gets now, it gets serious. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
p m. Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Oftentimes, we make the mistake
as media people of thinking we understand Roger Goodell his job,
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and fans make this mistake all the time. They let
their emotions and how they feel about something Roger Goodell
said or did, affect your thoughts on his level of competency.
Roger Dell is close to signing an extension which is
gonna take him through two thousand twenty four. In other words,
he ain't going anywhere now. The timing of such an
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announcement probably has to do with two things. One, contracts
um um. He's gotten new deals done, created new revenue,
and they want to reward that. But too maybe most importantly,
did you notice that last week the head of the
NBA is gonna be NFL Players Association said, Hey, there's
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gonna be some sort of work stoppage in two thousand
twenty one. Nana, nana, boo boo, it's gonna happen. And
then all of a sudden, Roger is getting a contract
extension through two thousand twenty four. That's the NFL owners saying, really,
we were okay with what's going on there. You might
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have a problem with it. We're okay with it now
to anyone who says, well, Rogerdale has to give up
the power of being judge, jury executioner of the NFL's
um Personal Conduct Policy one. Every commissioner has had that
power since n so it won't be given up that easily.
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And too, I'm sure the NFL Player Association can have it.
You can have it, we can do a committee, we
can do whatever you want. But guess what it's called
a negotiation. Do you understand what I'm saying. Let me
spell it out for you. Roger Goodell right now has
the power to enforce rules because he said so, and
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when you when you file an appeal, he ultimately rules
on the appeal. Well, that kind of sounds like a
rig system. Yes it is, and you want to change it,
you can. I will change it during our next collective
Barton agreement negotiations. But I don't just give up something
that I already have without some some form of negotiation.
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And the reason that the NFL players aren't going to
hold out or lock out, or even if they do,
they won't win, is because they need the money and
the guys that are in the league now, with the
exception of the quarterbacks and a couple of wide receivers
or skill position players, there'll be a whole new list
of ones. Pro career is too short to hold out
for six months for benefits that benefit people who are
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gonna play in the next ten years, not you. So
I look at it and I'm like, this is the
NFL owners going, Oh yeah, Demorris Smith. You think that
you have one up un negotiation. You think people are
gonna run Roger. We're just fine with Roger Goodell, and
if he wants to negotiate, if we want to, we
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want to negotiate his power in change that that's fine,
but you're gonna give us back some benefit that we're
giving the players, which only tells me Roger Goodell is
not giving up any of this power anytime soon, not
because the players don't want them to change, but because
in their list of priorities that's not party one, two, three, four, five.
And the reason that you don't understand that you being
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Joe public is because it's not your business, it's not
your field. You don't like players want more guaranteed money,
more during career, post career benefits. That's their focus. They
want more roster spots for more jobs. Right, Like every
election is only about one thing. Job, job, job, jobs,
job security. And what happened is no different than our election. Right.
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Can you create the type of perception that what you
do is good for creating jobs and when you lose
your job or you retire from your job, you're gonna
have some post career benefits. That's no different in the NFL.
That's what players are concerned about, nothing else. What they
will get I can tell you right now, now you
can clip this and hopefully I'm still working for Fox
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Sports Radio in four years, the NFL Players Association is
gonna want more roster spots. The NFL will want more games.
The NFL Players Association want more roster spots and more
guaranteed years on contracts, a higher percentage of guaranteed money.
That's what the fight will be over, not Roger Goodell.
And the reason that people don't understand that is because
they get caught up in the noise and the nonsense
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of people who don't understand how good Goodell has been. Oh,
he settled this concussion, this player concussion lawsuit he did
that was from a previous regime and he couldn't admit
that what they did was wrong. He can't throw all
He can't throw Paul Tagboo and previous guys under the bus.
That's no different than Roy Williams at North Carolina. Right.
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Roy Williams North Carolina didn't institute any policy of having
guys taking sham classes, none of it. But he inherited it,
and so he had to slowly dial it back. And
when he was like, this is bad. We got guys
getting straight a's in African American Studies. I got like
nine players in African American Studies that just didn't look
right to the outside, doesn't pass the smell test. He
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let's just get him out of that thing. Let's get him.
We gotta get him in different majors. We gotta figure
that thing out. And when asked about it now, he
sidesteps it. Why because he's not gonna throw Dean Smith
under the bus. Right, he's a mentor, he's a legend
and h and he probably guesses or maybe even knows
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that when Dean Smith first allowed players to get into
the African American Studies major, he didn't know they were
sham classes. It's the same thing with Roger Goodell when
good Dell takes over for taglia Boo. I'm sure when
taglia Booth was first in denial of CT or brain
damn from football. At the first part of denying it
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was like, there wasn't the scientific data to point out
that it did exist. But you can't say we were
wrong football causes brain damage because nobody would play. Secondly,
you'd open yourself up to litigation far worse than you
already have. And third you're throwing your predecessor and your
mentors under the bus that ain't happening. And yeah, he
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looks bad. But the ray Rice thing, but again, the
context of it was no one had ever taken the
ray Rice thing or the domestic violence seriously. That was
the two game suspension was the longest suspension at the
in the history of the NFL. It wasn't long enough,
but that's because video had never come out previously. And
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that's because we as a country hadn't had morals about
our our pro athletes laying hands on women. That's more
of an US problem. Let let me go through. Roger
Goodell has not only dealt with a bad hand, right,
that's the concussion laws, but he's also expanded to Los
Angeles with not one, but two teams. And the reason
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that's important is not just for league revenues. And they're
gonna get a new stadium, which is gonna help their
league revenues, and it's gonna be the site for their
having somebody else. They're having the Rams build them new
studios for the NFL network against genius. All Right, you're
gonna move. You're gonna pay a six seven hundrellion dollars
apiece and you're gonna build us new headquarters for our
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own network. Like, what a great deal, and the owners,
I'll get that money. And then the Raiders want to move. Cool,
guess what's gonna cost you? Seven d fifty million dollars.
I don't care you come up with it all that might.
It's over two billion dollars the revenue without adding a
team to league moved moved them from bad markets markets. Okay,
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Sidney is a great place to live. They had a
great fan base, but it's minischool in comparison to the
upside potential of Los Angeles. Same thing with St. Louis,
same thing with Oakland as opposed to an untapped jam,
which is Las Vegas two billion dollars. And then he
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creates revenue with the Thursday Night deal, and he not
only keeps the NFL network afloat the NFL networks reason
for existence is the Thursday Night package. Now he does
he get them? And now does he get them Thursday
Night package? For first it was CBS. Remember CBS and
the NFL network both broadcasting. That's the whole reason that
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network exists, which is owned by the league, which means
it's owned by the owners. So all that revenue is
all split up. Then they then they're like, all right,
new Thursday Night package, CBS and NBC, you guys have
to split it. Didn't add a game to the schedule
at an additional revenue. Do business is really really, really good,
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And they've done so while expanding overseas. They've done so
while finding new ways to create new revenue when everybody
else is topped out. Hey man, you can't get any
more blood out of that. You can't get any more
blood out of that rock. He's found a way. And
the only reason that you don't believe this or you
don't know this is because you simply don't know their business.
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I don't understand how they make any money. I don't
understand how they have. You sit down and you start
to think about each individual deal that has been done
in the past five years alone. You understand he's not
doing a decent job. He's not doing a good job.
He's doing a phenomenal job. And if along the way
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he has to take the bullet for suspending a Zekielia
too long or suspending Tom Brady too long, fine, But
anybody who thought that would cause the owners to run
him out, I give you a contract extension. Sitting on
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Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart
Radio app. So last week Michael Bennett said, hey, you know,
the protests will change and get more relevant in the
NFL when a white player joins them. And of course
the end of last week, Chris Long put his arm
around shoulder of Malcolm Jenkins while Jenkins held a fist
in the air. Then Seahawks center Justin Britt put a
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hand on Michael Bennet's shoulder as he sat for the
national anthem. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr and Khalil mack stood
with arms around each other in display of unity. Car
By the Way said that he was not protesting anything
with that action. We wanted to show all kids that
look up to me look up to him. White kids,
blue kids, brown kids, blue kids out there, Uh, blue, green,
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doesn't matter. We can all be living, loving to each other.
And that's what me and Clil are. We're best friends
and we love one another. The only reason we did
so is to unify people. Unify people look up because
obviously we see what's going on in the world. Obviously,
everyone pays attention to national anthem nowadays, So we thought
the best way to do it while it's still honoring
our country. Because I love this country more than anything.
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We're free to live here and play this game. We're
also free to show each other we love one another,
and I think that's the message. Max said he want
to use the platform to get off out. His message
is essentially the same Britt that's justin Britt put his
arm on Michael Bennet's shoulder. I want to support him.
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I want to support what he stands for in his beliefs.
I'm not foolish. I'm from Missouri. I get that there
are things in that area in some areas. I'm I'm
not against what the flag means and veterans. My dad
is in the army, so I'm putting I'm not putting
any disrespect to them. I'm just trying to understand issues,
trying to educate myself more in regard to showing support. Um,
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I saw a different protest and I thought it was
actually perfect. I thought it was perfect. Here, here's what
happened there was is like, was there even a hundred
Nazi white supremacists protesters in Boston? You guys see that
they're like gathered around a gazebo. Now again for for
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full disclosure, Okay, do I have to say that I'm
anti Nazi, anti white supremacist or is like like that?
If I don't say it, is that like oh somehow
you're like trust me. Um, I'm Jewish. I don't think
I would ever consider myself a Nazi sympathizer or a
white you know, like it's gross, but also full disclosure. Look,
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I they these protests been going on before. It was
the clash and the statues and the violence and the
car killing a lady and two other cops. That's what
obviously makes and and the reaction to it from the
President that's what made this story just terrible, but one
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to which instead of just being some you know why supremacist,
Like if we don't show up with cameras and we
don't broadcast, does it does it matter? I don't know.
I don't know what the answer is. But here's why
the Boston thing this weekend was perfect. Apparently there were
forty thou anti protesters, right, So what's the ratio of one?
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Is that four? One? Is that about? Right? I think
that's what it is, right. I kind of think that's
where we are with like racists. I just I just do,
Like I know that it's really easy to say anybody
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who voted for Donald Trump as a racist. I I
don't think that. I don't. I honestly don't think that's fair.
I don't think that's even close to being fair. Everyone
who voted for Donald Trump is not a sexist either.
Just because of the video, um, the video which was
is disgraceful. People have their reasons why they choose to vote,
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and they're allowed been part of our country, You're allowed
to vote whoever you want to vote for, and a
lot of it was about not trusting Hillary Clinton. Let's
just be honest that it was not a ton of
trust built up even in her own constituency. If the
same people that showed up and voted for Barack Obama
voted for her, she want one and this wouldn't have happened.
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But like complete and total racists are pretty much outnumbered
four one in Boston over the weekend, and that's kind
of the reality of it. So I'm not saying that
the protest I'm anti police brutality, but did I have
to say that I'm also anti people who shoot police
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because they don't trust police. They just you know, there's
people who One of the things that happens is cop
up walks up in a car. He's scared because he
doesn't know what that guy has in his car. And
I also think that the ratio of cops that do
unreasonable things to human beings, I don't think they are
a number four D one. But I actually think there's
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way more good cops than there are bad cops. He
saw that Colin Kaepernick was joined by police officers that
that joined him supported him in protest, So I don't know,
there just doesn't seem to like what is the measurement
for change happening in our country? We're all aware that
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racism still exists, probably to a higher level than I
thought possible. I thought racism was dying off. Like people
who say Washington. Do you know anybody says Worhington anymore?
Remember where kids people like worsh your clothes, I'm going
up to Washington. You're like, who says that? People don't
say it anymore? Right, I kind of thought that's like racist,
Like there used to be a lot of racists and
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solely generationally people Like, well that sucks because I actually
have lots of friends that have different skin and colors
than me, right, Like even the idea like remember of
dumb things you learn when you're a kid about stereotyped people. Ah,
just I don't know. I maybe maybe it's growing up
in southern California, which is a multinational kind of community
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where I you see people and honestly, some of the
best looking people you see are people of mixed race.
Like the skin color is awesome, right, they have all
like the best features of both races. Like that's kind
of not like right, Like, so you see like the
blending of I actually see that as an awesome thing.
But I think it exists to a higher level than
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I thought. But I think it's at it, it's still
a much smaller percentage then we're made to believe because
of social media, because we're giving a voice to people
like Nazis, white supremacists who don't deserve a voice because
that's what we do now. Everybody can become famous in
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their own kind. Like David Duke has been around for
like thirty years. I'm old enough now, but like, wait,
David Duke's still alive, He's still around, Like why do
we care He's he's been around doing his stuff for
like five years. Why are we getting I don't know
why we're getting so worked up over a dying breed
of people. And by breed, I mean racist, like blatant,
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outward raised. Like so I like that. I like that.
Britt Smartly was like, Hey, I'm just isn't my brother
I'm Michael Bennett wants to protest the same thing with
Derek Carr. Like that's showing support for one's teammate. And
I think that's a more realistic show of what happens
in an NFL basque. Every basketball locker room I've ever
been into like we'll talk about racial stuff, but I
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never very maybe once or twice, I feel like people
were anti white. I've never been in a locker room
people were anti black. I just I don't It's a
hard thing for me to wrap my head around. But
I also think that if Michael Bennett, like, if his
thing is okay, well this will change when white people joined,
white players join us in protests, and and in all honesty,
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Chris Long did not join them in protest, Britt did
not join in protest. Derrick her did not join in protests.
Maybe somebody eventually does. But like, what is the right now?
We're getting to the point where all right, tell me,
like Marshall Lynch doesn't want to talk about the what
what he's protesting? Like what is the point? Like? How
can we fix what you don't like? Be sure to
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Kuan Bolden now retired, I guess member of the Buffalo Bills.
Thirteen days in Buffalo and was there anything you didn't
accomplish that you wanted to accomplish. Uh, well, wanted more
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Super bowls. UM for me, that was the ultimate and
go um. I played into and was fortunate enough to
win on one, but I would have had him a
way out of one a lot more. Oh, I know that,
but I mean you did. You won a national champions
in college and you want a super Bowl like if
if those if anybody has goals starting off to be
a to be a pro respected one, to be a
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draft pick, respected one, to win Nash to win at
at the highest levels, you did. Like dude, you checked
almost I can't think of any boxes that you didn't
check at least once during your career. I didn't win
a hot Speed championship UM for you in the state
championship game, but ended up losing that. So all right,
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sorry to bring that up at this at this point
on the Doug Gotlip Show. All right, so people want
to know, like thirteen days in Buffalo you showed up.
He's like, I love the culture here. I want to
be part of the change. Everybody respects you as a veteran.
You're like the E. F. Hutton When you talk, everybody's listening.
And then yesterday it's announced you you called it a career. Why,
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I'm just so uh just felt late to do something else. Um,
and I felt like now I was the time I
felt like I couldn't put it off any moaner. Um, so, uh,
you know that was my decision to walk away? Was
it the even decision? No? Um? Do I still love
the game of football? Of course? Do I still have
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a passionate play? Yeah, but I feel like, um, there's
another passion that bonds inside of me that that's a
little a little larger than football at this point. Well,
remember and and for people who don't know, uh, An
Qualm was the Walter Payton Man of the Year going
back to two thousand and fifteen. That's for all the
community service. And you have your own uh foundation as well.
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You're trying to expand opportunities for for youngsters. Is that
is that the focus of what you want to do
post careers through your foundation? Those good works continue those yeah,
continue to work, uh that I've been doing with my
foundation as well as um the advocate advocacy work, but
I've been doing over the past two or three years.
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So like what like being an advocate for who in
terms of what well UM as of the last about
two or three years, and it's been advocating for those
that don't have a voice, advocating for those who feel
like justice isn't so UM for them, UM, a voice
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for those who feel UM for inequalities in our society UM,
and also advocating for better police and community relations, UM,
criminal justice reform. UM. There's a number of things that
I've been advocating for over the last two or three years. Okay,
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so that's we were just kind of talking about the
protests which continued to evolve as some white players if
they haven't joined in protests, but they put their arms.
Started with Chris Long, it went to UH to britt
in Seattle, justin britt the Center, and then Derek Carr
and Khalil Max tow it kind of arm in arm.
But I think there has to be like a next
step in terms of the evolution of what's what's the
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next step in kind of trying to improve some of
the police and community relations and how it how it
can be voiced by the players, and how you can
be kind of an advocate for some of that change.
I think UM the protect missing especially, I think there's
a lot more that could be done, UM, And I
think there's a lot of change that could happen, UM,
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But I honestly don't believe it's just gonna come from
just the players. UM. Players taken up fances of gigs
injustices is nothing that's new. UM. That's been going on
way before my time. UM. As far back as I
can remember, you've had guys UM champion different Carson. UM.
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I mean you go back to UM Jim Brown and
Muhammad ali U Kaue might do with your guard. Those
guys were advocating for some of the same things that
we're advocating for right now. So I don't believe, UM,
that is score be on the shoulders of the players.
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I think in sports in general, UM, you're given a platform,
and in the NFL, I think is one of the
biggest platforms that you can have in this country. But
with that being said, I think in order for us
to move the needle further, we're gonna have to be
joined by coaches, We're gonna have to be joined by
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GM and we're gonna have to be joined by owners.
There's one thing for me as an athlete, to get
a meeting with a congressman or a senator. UM, I'm
afforded the opportunity because of the platform that the NFL provides.
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But when I go in those meetings, I'm gonna be told, UM,
you know, thanks for coming, Um, continue to do the
work that you're going, continue to keep this issue UM
front and center. But I guarantee you if I take
owners in there with you, there will be a different conversation.
They know that I would be trying to help get passed,
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would get pass if I had owners in there. UM.
So I think it has to be bigger than just
NFL players advocating UM for justice. But we have to
be joined by the higher power in the NFL. Is
there is there a way? I mean, like, look, um,
the same way in which NFL players or other athletes
(35:31):
have gotten there. Uh. Their message across has been withholding services, right, Like,
if you want to get a new contract in the NFL,
don't show up at work and hold out and it
may hurt you in the short term, but in the
long term if you're good enough eventually to work. Is
is that is that a path? Like if if you
can't get owners to engage in any of this, is
that a possibility for players more than just bro Like
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if Michael Bennett's like, hey, you know what, I'm not
gonna play in our you know against the Arizona Cardinals
because no one's listening to this conversation we're trying to have.
Is that a possible step? I think the only way
that step is possible if you have everybody on the
same page. I think if you have one guy, um,
that does it. I mean the NFL is a lot
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greater than one Just one guy taking a fan, Um,
they will just replace you with the next guy. But
I think if everybody was on the same page and
everybody at the same mindset, UM, that could be affected.
And while Bolten joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio, UM, how do you navigate?
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How do you navigate? Um? Look, there there's plenty of
really good police officers, right, and it's it's the it's
the it's the bad ones. There's plenty of people, plenty
of officers who have tried to bridge the gap between
police and community, but some have not. How do you
navigate it? Look, we're not trying to call out all cops.
We're just trying to rid ourselves of some of them.
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We're not trying to call out all white people. Were
just want to get rid of the racist right, Like,
how do you how do you? How do you there's
a it's like a jiu jitsu, right. You gotta you
gotta be nimble about it. You can't simply kind of
brunt force it. How do you do that? In one
I definitely think you you have to tread um lightly
when you do that. I mean I have family members
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that are police police officers. So do I believe that
all police officers are bad? Of course, not that mean
I will be going against um. Some of my family
members who I know go out and put their lives
on the line every day. UM, So that's not what
we're about. UM, that's not what I'm about. I'm about
honoring those who do the right thing. As far as
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being police officers, I'm about accountability. Um, when things do
go wrong, I think those that have done wrong should
be held accountable. And I think that's one of the
things that we're not seen UM in this country. I
think too often, when you have incidents happened, you can
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pretty much tell the stories before it's completed. And by
that I mean the officer not being charged, Um, the
officer not on loving this job, the officer going on
paid leave while under investigation, UM, I think start too often, Um,
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accountability is not held in those in those regards. Yeah,
but but some of that also though, is their negotiations
with their union. Right and as a as a member
of the NFL Player Association, like, look, I'm just as
disgusted when when an officer shoots an unarmed, unarmed man
as anybody is. But I also understand that, uh that
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that having a guy on paid leave is no different
than NFL players who're put on the commissioner exemption list.
When you're you're on paid leave. Isn't there a certain
parallel in hey, this was pre negotiated union and and
uh uh and and it's it's there's there's that similarity
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between that and your choice of work in football. There
is a similarity. But I think when there's clear evidence
in different cases, UM, and guys are not held accountable.
I don't think that part is right. I think salsifying
police report isn't right. Evidence isn't right. UM. So when
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these things are happening, you have to deal with them
the right way, or if you don't, then the trust
between the community and the police will be shattered. I
mean it's already um at that point, but we continue
to see UM God's being shot, UH without any weapon.
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God's being shot as they're walking away from policeman. Um
My cousin was shot while on the phone with Rose
out of systems, the only thing he'd be able to
break down on the side of the road, and its
it cost him his life. So I think when things
like this happened, there has to be accountability, but more
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than football Forran Kwan Bolden then Kwan Bolden Foundation, known
as Q eighty one, is one of the one of
the most respected players in the NFL. Announced his retirement yesterday.
UH won a Super Bowl, won a National Championship, won
the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award in two
thousand fifteen, and his Call to the Career and also
has his Q eighty one Summer Enrichmond program. Hey listen, man,
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the big thing is you can't just go and be
an advocate and not keep us updated on what progress
or lack there of progress is being made. So don't
be a stranger, and you're welcome here anytime to talk
football and to talk life. As well. Is that cool
cool I'll take you up on that offer, all right,
an Qua Bold
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live from the City of Angels, where Um,
Maggie Johnson, Mayo got his hot and Sean Trouble. Oh
Magic Johnson. We'll get to that in one second. Oh
(00:24):
Man Petro's Papadacus. Who's uh he hold co host the
number one afternoon show in the City of Angels. We'll
talk to him about magic. Um, we may talk a
little Doyers with him. Clayton Kershaw throw off the mountain today.
We have a lot to Jared Goff statistically was really good,
but is he actually going to be really good? A
happy eclipse state to you. Did you step outside and
(00:46):
watch the eclipse? I'm waiting for the president to take
take full credit for the eclipse. Did not happen during
the previous previous administration. He is technically correct. It happened bigly.
It did happen bigly. Ramos, did you see the eclipse?
I went outside, yes, to see a little bit of
the partial eclipse here in l A and got a
little dim outside. Yeah, it looked it looked like a
(01:09):
crescent moon. Only the crescent moon was actually the sun
because the moon was blocking it off. I tweeted out, Lord,
just give us a give us a sign that we
are running that we're running a miss, right, just give
us a sun like block out the sun or something? No, no, alright.
So look, we got college football this weekend. Did you
(01:29):
know that Stanford is playing against Rice down in Australia
this weekend? So we are It is game week kids,
welcome in. Plus, we got Mayweather versus McGregor. Will be
headed to Sin City on Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. We'll
be joining you live from Las Vegas and Kwan Bolden
(01:49):
the Kan called it a career. He will join us
in an hour and a half. I'll ask him like
I did, why you why is it? Is it the
bills that cause you to quit? Like the bill so bad? You?
Like you know what? This is truly the end of
the road. He walked out there. He's like, I can't
do it, can't do it, can't work for the bills.
We kid, of course, and I will tell you in
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mere moments why Roger Goodell is getting a contract extension
even though many people in my industry think he should
be fired. That's because they're in the wrong industry. But
but this Magic Johnson story is there's parallels to it
in your life. There's parallels to it in collegiate sports,
and there's obviously parallels to it in professional sports. Like
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there are certain things. Do you know this that in
Japan it is part of the culture of Japan to
have a mold, to have a spy embedded deep in
your rivals company. Did you know that that's like part
of their culture, That is that it's accepted part of
their culture. And so oftentimes what you see with Japanese
(02:57):
car manufacturers is the cars when they have a completely
new body style, looks a lot like one another. And
it's not one of those like well like minds think alike. Now,
it's more they all have spies and somebody comes up
with a good idea and they take it back to
their company has got a good idea, and they just
add to it, like all these cars kind of like
the same at the same time. Um, But there's a
(03:21):
difference between breaking rules and cheating. And I think the
best parallel to this is collegian sports. Nick Saban breaks
rules all the time and recruiting there are secondary rules
violations times when you're not supposed to be able to
talk to kids, when you're just the supposed to go
and evaluate them that Nick Saban and his staff have.
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I've been told by multiple assistant coaches from multiple schools. Hey,
they'll just grab a kid sitting down with them in
a private room and have a discussion with him after
a practice that they saw to which they're only supposed
to evaluate and not supposed to make contact with. Now,
that is breaking NCA rules, but that is not. But
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I think anybody's estimation cheating, cheating is buying kids changing
their grades, covering up some sort of past or present
future criminal activity in order to keep them eligible. Those
things are cheating, and those they're not frowned upon. They're
not allowed, and if you're found to have done them,
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you will, you will face the wrath of the n
c A and you'll be turned in by other universities.
Whereas the rule breaking, then nobody likes it. But nobody
thinks that the rules are great. Nobody think it's that
thinks it's that that that huge a deal, that's much
of a game changer. That's the case with the NBA. Look,
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the NBA can't control whether or not your players are
recruiting Paul George. The NBA can't control what goes on
on television shows. The in regards to being broadcast from
l A and selling Los Angeles, selling the Lakers, selling
the Lord of the History, the salary cap open. But
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what the Lakers are being alleged to have done is
not breaking the rules. They're being alleged to have cheated,
to have cheated. Hey, dude, you can't openly opine for
Paul George to be on your team. This is the reason,
by the way, that college colleges when you transfer, unless
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you're a grad transfer, you have to sit for a year.
Be like, why why do they have to sit for
a year, because otherwise you would have mass tampering you
in the handshake line, you'd be like, you should play
for us next year? Or even what Magic Johnson did
on was on Jimmy Kimmel where you wink, wink, nudge, nudge, right, Like,
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you have to be more clever about it than Magic.
If you're on vacation and you run into Paul George,
are you not allowed to speak to him? No, We're
gonna say hi because we know each other can say, hey,
I want you to come to the Lakers, even though
I'm gonna be wink winking, like you know what that means?
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You know what I mean? Right, Like, yeah, dude, we
know what you mean. But you can't say you know
what I mean? You know what I mean? Like magic
strikes me as Who is the guy ramos here, the
movie guy ramas here as much of a movie guy
as I am. By the way, I'm catching up, catching
up to speed on the Americans. That that's that's currently
what I'm binging on. I don't know what you've been
binging on. But do you remember the scene from Good
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Fellas Ramas where great movie, Good Fellas, right, great movie,
great movie. Do you remember after thet off Tonza heist
and he, you know, he told de Niro's character told
everybody not to buy anything? Yes, all right? Do you
remember who was the guy who bought something? It bought
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his wife a Cadillac and he and he was like, hey,
I told you not to buy anything. It was the
guy with the frizzy kind of frizzy hair, right that
he had like the black kind of frizzy hair looking.
I don't know his name, but I know who you're
talking about. I remember him telling him when he did
buy it, and he said, just take it back, take
it back, take it back, right. That's what Magic Johnson
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reminds me of, Like, Hey, look, we're all we have
a president who used to be an agent, who has
all these guys that that that he is currently recruiting
without recruiting. We have two open salary cap spots. We
we think we're going to get Lebron James. We're in
Los Angeles. We think we're going to get the number
one or number two to overall pick. We like, you
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just can't go on national TV and be like, you
know what I'm saying. Yes, we do all know what
you're saying, So too, does a commissioner. It looks bad,
it draws attention to it, Take it back, take it back,
don't buy anything. What did I tell you? What's the
matter with you? What's the matter with you? Magic? Did
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I tell you not to say anything? Don't say anything
about Paul George? Did I tell you not to say anything?
Don't say anything at all? He could have gone full
Robert de Niro to Jimmy Kimmel. Instead, he's like, you
know what I'm saying he became he became the guy
who bought the car and had to take it back. Now, look,
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cheating is in this particular case is really really hard
to prove, all right, really hard to prove, but it
it's it's more this. Here's what the Pacers are saying.
We're pissed you undermine the credibility of our organization. We
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had a player who was under contract for a year
and a half and all of a sudden, he's like,
I want to go to l A, like out of nowhere.
Like That's just not the way it happens. That's just
not the way it works. And so now the Oklahoma
City Thunder become the rebound team for Paul George, right,
because you don't want to go straight out one relationship
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to the other relationship, because then you know that there
has to be a rebound relationship. That's what it is
for Paul George. And as insult to injury, the Thunder
are now probably not gonna get Paul George either. Have
you noticed Brussell Westbrook hasn't signed his contract. Attention would
be the biggest contract extension the history of the NBA.
Five years, two seventeen million, dollars and he has till October,
but it's he has the fake paper. Always do sign
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and he has not signed. As a chance they lose
them both to the Lakers. If if Lebron doesn't go,
they're both from l a and they'll have a year
of playing together establishing chemistry. Or one could go to
the Clippers, one could go to the Lakers, or they
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could both go to the Clippers. Or they could both
go to the Lakers. The bigger problem is magic. Don't
say anything. What are you doing? There's a difference between
breaking the rules and cheating. The Lakers are alleged to
have cheated, not broken the rules, and the only way
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you know that they have cheated is that they got
turned in by another team. The same thing as true
as I told you with Nick Saban. The reason he
hasn't been turned in by another team is all I've
really done has broken the rules. Right. Everybody thinks the
rules are kind of stupid, But the second you go
into your pocket, like Mississippi State turning in Mississippi, it
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gets now, it gets serious. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
p m. Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Oftentimes, we make the mistake
as media people of thinking we understand Roger Goodell his job,
(11:02):
and fans make this mistake all the time. They let
their emotions and how they feel about something Roger Goodell
said or did, affect your thoughts on his level of competency.
Roger Dell is close to signing an extension which is
gonna take him through two thousand twenty four. In other words,
he ain't going anywhere now. The timing of such an
(11:24):
announcement probably has to do with two things. One, contracts
um um. He's gotten new deals done, created new revenue,
and they want to reward that. But too maybe most importantly,
did you notice that last week the head of the
NBA is gonna be NFL Players Association said, Hey, there's
(11:47):
gonna be some sort of work stoppage in two thousand
twenty one. Nana, nana, boo boo, it's gonna happen. And
then all of a sudden, Roger is getting a contract
extension through two thousand twenty four. That's the NFL owners saying, really,
we were okay with what's going on there. You might
(12:08):
have a problem with it. We're okay with it now
to anyone who says, well, Rogerdale has to give up
the power of being judge, jury executioner of the NFL's
um Personal Conduct Policy one. Every commissioner has had that
power since n so it won't be given up that easily.
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And too, I'm sure the NFL Player Association can have it.
You can have it, we can do a committee, we
can do whatever you want. But guess what it's called
a negotiation. Do you understand what I'm saying. Let me
spell it out for you. Roger Goodell right now has
the power to enforce rules because he said so, and
(12:50):
when you when you file an appeal, he ultimately rules
on the appeal. Well, that kind of sounds like a
rig system. Yes it is, and you want to change it,
you can. I will change it during our next collective
Barton agreement negotiations. But I don't just give up something
that I already have without some some form of negotiation.
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And the reason that the NFL players aren't going to
hold out or lock out, or even if they do,
they won't win, is because they need the money and
the guys that are in the league now, with the
exception of the quarterbacks and a couple of wide receivers
or skill position players, there'll be a whole new list
of ones. Pro career is too short to hold out
for six months for benefits that benefit people who are
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gonna play in the next ten years, not you. So
I look at it and I'm like, this is the
NFL owners going, Oh yeah, Demorris Smith. You think that
you have one up un negotiation. You think people are
gonna run Roger. We're just fine with Roger Goodell, and
if he wants to negotiate, if we want to, we
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want to negotiate his power in change that that's fine,
but you're gonna give us back some benefit that we're
giving the players, which only tells me Roger Goodell is
not giving up any of this power anytime soon, not
because the players don't want them to change, but because
in their list of priorities that's not party one, two, three, four, five.
And the reason that you don't understand that you being
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Joe public is because it's not your business, it's not
your field. You don't like players want more guaranteed money,
more during career, post career benefits. That's their focus. They
want more roster spots for more jobs. Right, Like every
election is only about one thing. Job, job, job, jobs,
job security. And what happened is no different than our election. Right.
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Can you create the type of perception that what you
do is good for creating jobs and when you lose
your job or you retire from your job, you're gonna
have some post career benefits. That's no different in the NFL.
That's what players are concerned about, nothing else. What they
will get I can tell you right now, now you
can clip this and hopefully I'm still working for Fox
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Sports Radio in four years, the NFL Players Association is
gonna want more roster spots. The NFL will want more games.
The NFL Players Association want more roster spots and more
guaranteed years on contracts, a higher percentage of guaranteed money.
That's what the fight will be over, not Roger Goodell.
And the reason that people don't understand that is because
they get caught up in the noise and the nonsense
(15:25):
of people who don't understand how good Goodell has been. Oh,
he settled this concussion, this player concussion lawsuit he did
that was from a previous regime and he couldn't admit
that what they did was wrong. He can't throw all
He can't throw Paul Tagboo and previous guys under the bus.
That's no different than Roy Williams at North Carolina. Right.
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Roy Williams North Carolina didn't institute any policy of having
guys taking sham classes, none of it. But he inherited it,
and so he had to slowly dial it back. And
when he was like, this is bad. We got guys
getting straight a's in African American Studies. I got like
nine players in African American Studies that just didn't look
right to the outside, doesn't pass the smell test. He
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let's just get him out of that thing. Let's get him.
We gotta get him in different majors. We gotta figure
that thing out. And when asked about it now, he
sidesteps it. Why because he's not gonna throw Dean Smith
under the bus. Right, he's a mentor, he's a legend
and h and he probably guesses or maybe even knows
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that when Dean Smith first allowed players to get into
the African American Studies major, he didn't know they were
sham classes. It's the same thing with Roger Goodell when
good Dell takes over for taglia Boo. I'm sure when
taglia Booth was first in denial of CT or brain
damn from football. At the first part of denying it
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was like, there wasn't the scientific data to point out
that it did exist. But you can't say we were
wrong football causes brain damage because nobody would play. Secondly,
you'd open yourself up to litigation far worse than you
already have. And third you're throwing your predecessor and your
mentors under the bus that ain't happening. And yeah, he
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looks bad. But the ray Rice thing, but again, the
context of it was no one had ever taken the
ray Rice thing or the domestic violence seriously. That was
the two game suspension was the longest suspension at the
in the history of the NFL. It wasn't long enough,
but that's because video had never come out previously. And
(17:35):
that's because we as a country hadn't had morals about
our our pro athletes laying hands on women. That's more
of an US problem. Let let me go through. Roger
Goodell has not only dealt with a bad hand, right,
that's the concussion laws, but he's also expanded to Los
Angeles with not one, but two teams. And the reason
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that's important is not just for league revenues. And they're
gonna get a new stadium, which is gonna help their
league revenues, and it's gonna be the site for their
having somebody else. They're having the Rams build them new
studios for the NFL network against genius. All Right, you're
gonna move. You're gonna pay a six seven hundrellion dollars
apiece and you're gonna build us new headquarters for our
(18:19):
own network. Like, what a great deal, and the owners,
I'll get that money. And then the Raiders want to move. Cool,
guess what's gonna cost you? Seven d fifty million dollars.
I don't care you come up with it all that might.
It's over two billion dollars the revenue without adding a
team to league moved moved them from bad markets markets. Okay,
(18:46):
Sidney is a great place to live. They had a
great fan base, but it's minischool in comparison to the
upside potential of Los Angeles. Same thing with St. Louis,
same thing with Oakland as opposed to an untapped jam,
which is Las Vegas two billion dollars. And then he
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creates revenue with the Thursday Night deal, and he not
only keeps the NFL network afloat the NFL networks reason
for existence is the Thursday Night package. Now he does
he get them? And now does he get them Thursday
Night package? For first it was CBS. Remember CBS and
the NFL network both broadcasting. That's the whole reason that
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network exists, which is owned by the league, which means
it's owned by the owners. So all that revenue is
all split up. Then they then they're like, all right,
new Thursday Night package, CBS and NBC, you guys have
to split it. Didn't add a game to the schedule
at an additional revenue. Do business is really really, really good,
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And they've done so while expanding overseas. They've done so
while finding new ways to create new revenue when everybody
else is topped out. Hey man, you can't get any
more blood out of that. You can't get any more
blood out of that rock. He's found a way. And
the only reason that you don't believe this or you
don't know this is because you simply don't know their business.
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I don't understand how they make any money. I don't
understand how they have. You sit down and you start
to think about each individual deal that has been done
in the past five years alone. You understand he's not
doing a decent job. He's not doing a good job.
He's doing a phenomenal job. And if along the way
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he has to take the bullet for suspending a Zekielia
too long or suspending Tom Brady too long, fine, But
anybody who thought that would cause the owners to run
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Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart
Radio app. So last week Michael Bennett said, hey, you know,
the protests will change and get more relevant in the
NFL when a white player joins them. And of course
the end of last week, Chris Long put his arm
around shoulder of Malcolm Jenkins while Jenkins held a fist
in the air. Then Seahawks center Justin Britt put a
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hand on Michael Bennet's shoulder as he sat for the
national anthem. Raiders quarterback Derek Carr and Khalil mack stood
with arms around each other in display of unity. Car
By the Way said that he was not protesting anything
with that action. We wanted to show all kids that
look up to me look up to him. White kids,
blue kids, brown kids, blue kids out there, Uh, blue, green,
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doesn't matter. We can all be living, loving to each other.
And that's what me and Clil are. We're best friends
and we love one another. The only reason we did
so is to unify people. Unify people look up because
obviously we see what's going on in the world. Obviously,
everyone pays attention to national anthem nowadays, So we thought
the best way to do it while it's still honoring
our country. Because I love this country more than anything.
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We're free to live here and play this game. We're
also free to show each other we love one another,
and I think that's the message. Max said he want
to use the platform to get off out. His message
is essentially the same Britt that's justin Britt put his
arm on Michael Bennet's shoulder. I want to support him.
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I want to support what he stands for in his beliefs.
I'm not foolish. I'm from Missouri. I get that there
are things in that area in some areas. I'm I'm
not against what the flag means and veterans. My dad
is in the army, so I'm putting I'm not putting
any disrespect to them. I'm just trying to understand issues,
trying to educate myself more in regard to showing support. Um,
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I saw a different protest and I thought it was
actually perfect. I thought it was perfect. Here, here's what
happened there was is like, was there even a hundred
Nazi white supremacists protesters in Boston? You guys see that
they're like gathered around a gazebo. Now again for for
(23:13):
full disclosure, Okay, do I have to say that I'm
anti Nazi, anti white supremacist or is like like that?
If I don't say it, is that like oh somehow
you're like trust me. Um, I'm Jewish. I don't think
I would ever consider myself a Nazi sympathizer or a
white you know, like it's gross, but also full disclosure. Look,
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I they these protests been going on before. It was
the clash and the statues and the violence and the
car killing a lady and two other cops. That's what
obviously makes and and the reaction to it from the
President that's what made this story just terrible, but one
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to which instead of just being some you know why supremacist,
Like if we don't show up with cameras and we
don't broadcast, does it does it matter? I don't know.
I don't know what the answer is. But here's why
the Boston thing this weekend was perfect. Apparently there were
forty thou anti protesters, right, So what's the ratio of one?
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Is that four? One? Is that about? Right? I think
that's what it is, right. I kind of think that's
where we are with like racists. I just I just do,
Like I know that it's really easy to say anybody
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who voted for Donald Trump as a racist. I I
don't think that. I don't. I honestly don't think that's fair.
I don't think that's even close to being fair. Everyone
who voted for Donald Trump is not a sexist either.
Just because of the video, um, the video which was
is disgraceful. People have their reasons why they choose to vote,
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and they're allowed been part of our country, You're allowed
to vote whoever you want to vote for, and a
lot of it was about not trusting Hillary Clinton. Let's
just be honest that it was not a ton of
trust built up even in her own constituency. If the
same people that showed up and voted for Barack Obama
voted for her, she want one and this wouldn't have happened.
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But like complete and total racists are pretty much outnumbered
four one in Boston over the weekend, and that's kind
of the reality of it. So I'm not saying that
the protest I'm anti police brutality, but did I have
to say that I'm also anti people who shoot police
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because they don't trust police. They just you know, there's
people who One of the things that happens is cop
up walks up in a car. He's scared because he
doesn't know what that guy has in his car. And
I also think that the ratio of cops that do
unreasonable things to human beings, I don't think they are
a number four D one. But I actually think there's
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way more good cops than there are bad cops. He
saw that Colin Kaepernick was joined by police officers that
that joined him supported him in protest, So I don't know,
there just doesn't seem to like what is the measurement
for change happening in our country? We're all aware that
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racism still exists, probably to a higher level than I
thought possible. I thought racism was dying off. Like people
who say Washington. Do you know anybody says Worhington anymore?
Remember where kids people like worsh your clothes, I'm going
up to Washington. You're like, who says that? People don't
say it anymore? Right, I kind of thought that's like racist,
Like there used to be a lot of racists and
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solely generationally people Like, well that sucks because I actually
have lots of friends that have different skin and colors
than me, right, Like even the idea like remember of
dumb things you learn when you're a kid about stereotyped people. Ah,
just I don't know. I maybe maybe it's growing up
in southern California, which is a multinational kind of community
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where I you see people and honestly, some of the
best looking people you see are people of mixed race.
Like the skin color is awesome, right, they have all
like the best features of both races. Like that's kind
of not like right, Like, so you see like the
blending of I actually see that as an awesome thing.
But I think it exists to a higher level than
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I thought. But I think it's at it, it's still
a much smaller percentage then we're made to believe because
of social media, because we're giving a voice to people
like Nazis, white supremacists who don't deserve a voice because
that's what we do now. Everybody can become famous in
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their own kind. Like David Duke has been around for
like thirty years. I'm old enough now, but like, wait,
David Duke's still alive, He's still around, Like why do
we care He's he's been around doing his stuff for
like five years. Why are we getting I don't know
why we're getting so worked up over a dying breed
of people. And by breed, I mean racist, like blatant,
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outward raised. Like so I like that. I like that.
Britt Smartly was like, Hey, I'm just isn't my brother
I'm Michael Bennett wants to protest the same thing with
Derek Carr. Like that's showing support for one's teammate. And
I think that's a more realistic show of what happens
in an NFL basque. Every basketball locker room I've ever
been into like we'll talk about racial stuff, but I
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never very maybe once or twice, I feel like people
were anti white. I've never been in a locker room
people were anti black. I just I don't It's a
hard thing for me to wrap my head around. But
I also think that if Michael Bennett, like, if his
thing is okay, well this will change when white people joined,
white players join us in protests, and and in all honesty,
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Chris Long did not join them in protest, Britt did
not join in protest. Derrick her did not join in protests.
Maybe somebody eventually does. But like, what is the right now?
We're getting to the point where all right, tell me,
like Marshall Lynch doesn't want to talk about the what
what he's protesting? Like what is the point? Like? How
can we fix what you don't like? Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
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and the I Heart Radio app. Let's Welcome in ant
Kuan Bolden now retired, I guess member of the Buffalo Bills.
Thirteen days in Buffalo and was there anything you didn't
accomplish that you wanted to accomplish. Uh, well, wanted more
(29:49):
Super bowls. UM for me, that was the ultimate and
go um. I played into and was fortunate enough to
win on one, but I would have had him a
way out of one a lot more. Oh, I know that,
but I mean you did. You won a national champions
in college and you want a super Bowl like if
if those if anybody has goals starting off to be
a to be a pro respected one, to be a
(30:11):
draft pick, respected one, to win Nash to win at
at the highest levels, you did. Like dude, you checked
almost I can't think of any boxes that you didn't
check at least once during your career. I didn't win
a hot Speed championship UM for you in the state
championship game, but ended up losing that. So all right,
(30:31):
sorry to bring that up at this at this point
on the Doug Gotlip Show. All right, so people want
to know, like thirteen days in Buffalo you showed up.
He's like, I love the culture here. I want to
be part of the change. Everybody respects you as a veteran.
You're like the E. F. Hutton When you talk, everybody's listening.
And then yesterday it's announced you you called it a career. Why,
(30:54):
I'm just so uh just felt late to do something else. Um,
and I felt like now I was the time I
felt like I couldn't put it off any moaner. Um, so, uh,
you know that was my decision to walk away? Was
it the even decision? No? Um? Do I still love
the game of football? Of course? Do I still have
(31:14):
a passionate play? Yeah, but I feel like, um, there's
another passion that bonds inside of me that that's a
little a little larger than football at this point. Well,
remember and and for people who don't know, uh, An
Qualm was the Walter Payton Man of the Year going
back to two thousand and fifteen. That's for all the
community service. And you have your own uh foundation as well.
(31:37):
You're trying to expand opportunities for for youngsters. Is that
is that the focus of what you want to do
post careers through your foundation? Those good works continue those yeah,
continue to work, uh that I've been doing with my
foundation as well as um the advocate advocacy work, but
I've been doing over the past two or three years.
(31:58):
So like what like being an advocate for who in
terms of what well UM as of the last about
two or three years, and it's been advocating for those
that don't have a voice, advocating for those who feel
like justice isn't so UM for them, UM, a voice
(32:18):
for those who feel UM for inequalities in our society UM,
and also advocating for better police and community relations, UM,
criminal justice reform. UM. There's a number of things that
I've been advocating for over the last two or three years. Okay,
(32:38):
so that's we were just kind of talking about the
protests which continued to evolve as some white players if
they haven't joined in protests, but they put their arms.
Started with Chris Long, it went to UH to britt
in Seattle, justin britt the Center, and then Derek Carr
and Khalil Max tow it kind of arm in arm.
But I think there has to be like a next
step in terms of the evolution of what's what's the
(33:01):
next step in kind of trying to improve some of
the police and community relations and how it how it
can be voiced by the players, and how you can
be kind of an advocate for some of that change.
I think UM the protect missing especially, I think there's
a lot more that could be done, UM, And I
think there's a lot of change that could happen, UM,
(33:23):
But I honestly don't believe it's just gonna come from
just the players. UM. Players taken up fances of gigs
injustices is nothing that's new. UM. That's been going on
way before my time. UM. As far back as I
can remember, you've had guys UM champion different Carson. UM.
(33:43):
I mean you go back to UM Jim Brown and
Muhammad ali U Kaue might do with your guard. Those
guys were advocating for some of the same things that
we're advocating for right now. So I don't believe, UM,
that is score be on the shoulders of the players.
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I think in sports in general, UM, you're given a platform,
and in the NFL, I think is one of the
biggest platforms that you can have in this country. But
with that being said, I think in order for us
to move the needle further, we're gonna have to be
joined by coaches, We're gonna have to be joined by
(34:26):
GM and we're gonna have to be joined by owners.
There's one thing for me as an athlete, to get
a meeting with a congressman or a senator. UM, I'm
afforded the opportunity because of the platform that the NFL provides.
(34:47):
But when I go in those meetings, I'm gonna be told, UM,
you know, thanks for coming, Um, continue to do the
work that you're going, continue to keep this issue UM
front and center. But I guarantee you if I take
owners in there with you, there will be a different conversation.
They know that I would be trying to help get passed,
(35:09):
would get pass if I had owners in there. UM.
So I think it has to be bigger than just
NFL players advocating UM for justice. But we have to
be joined by the higher power in the NFL. Is
there is there a way? I mean, like, look, um,
the same way in which NFL players or other athletes
(35:31):
have gotten there. Uh. Their message across has been withholding services, right, Like,
if you want to get a new contract in the NFL,
don't show up at work and hold out and it
may hurt you in the short term, but in the
long term if you're good enough eventually to work. Is
is that is that a path? Like if if you
can't get owners to engage in any of this, is
that a possibility for players more than just bro Like
(35:52):
if Michael Bennett's like, hey, you know what, I'm not
gonna play in our you know against the Arizona Cardinals
because no one's listening to this conversation we're trying to have.
Is that a possible step? I think the only way
that step is possible if you have everybody on the
same page. I think if you have one guy, um,
that does it. I mean the NFL is a lot
(36:15):
greater than one Just one guy taking a fan, Um,
they will just replace you with the next guy. But
I think if everybody was on the same page and
everybody at the same mindset, UM, that could be affected.
And while Bolten joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio, UM, how do you navigate?
(36:37):
How do you navigate? Um? Look, there there's plenty of
really good police officers, right, and it's it's the it's
the it's the bad ones. There's plenty of people, plenty
of officers who have tried to bridge the gap between
police and community, but some have not. How do you
navigate it? Look, we're not trying to call out all cops.
We're just trying to rid ourselves of some of them.
(36:57):
We're not trying to call out all white people. Were
just want to get rid of the racist right, Like,
how do you how do you? How do you there's
a it's like a jiu jitsu, right. You gotta you
gotta be nimble about it. You can't simply kind of
brunt force it. How do you do that? In one
I definitely think you you have to tread um lightly
when you do that. I mean I have family members
(37:20):
that are police police officers. So do I believe that
all police officers are bad? Of course, not that mean
I will be going against um. Some of my family
members who I know go out and put their lives
on the line every day. UM, So that's not what
we're about. UM, that's not what I'm about. I'm about
honoring those who do the right thing. As far as
(37:43):
being police officers, I'm about accountability. Um, when things do
go wrong, I think those that have done wrong should
be held accountable. And I think that's one of the
things that we're not seen UM in this country. I
think too often, when you have incidents happened, you can
(38:08):
pretty much tell the stories before it's completed. And by
that I mean the officer not being charged, Um, the
officer not on loving this job, the officer going on
paid leave while under investigation, UM, I think start too often, Um,
(38:29):
accountability is not held in those in those regards. Yeah,
but but some of that also though, is their negotiations
with their union. Right and as a as a member
of the NFL Player Association, like, look, I'm just as
disgusted when when an officer shoots an unarmed, unarmed man
as anybody is. But I also understand that, uh that
(38:49):
that having a guy on paid leave is no different
than NFL players who're put on the commissioner exemption list.
When you're you're on paid leave. Isn't there a certain
parallel in hey, this was pre negotiated union and and
uh uh and and it's it's there's there's that similarity
(39:10):
between that and your choice of work in football. There
is a similarity. But I think when there's clear evidence
in different cases, UM, and guys are not held accountable.
I don't think that part is right. I think salsifying
police report isn't right. Evidence isn't right. UM. So when
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these things are happening, you have to deal with them
the right way, or if you don't, then the trust
between the community and the police will be shattered. I
mean it's already um at that point, but we continue
to see UM God's being shot, UH without any weapon.
(39:56):
God's being shot as they're walking away from policeman. Um
My cousin was shot while on the phone with Rose
out of systems, the only thing he'd be able to
break down on the side of the road, and its
it cost him his life. So I think when things
like this happened, there has to be accountability, but more
(40:21):
than football Forran Kwan Bolden then Kwan Bolden Foundation, known
as Q eighty one, is one of the one of
the most respected players in the NFL. Announced his retirement yesterday.
UH won a Super Bowl, won a National Championship, won
the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award in two
thousand fifteen, and his Call to the Career and also
has his Q eighty one Summer Enrichmond program. Hey listen, man,
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the big thing is you can't just go and be
an advocate and not keep us updated on what progress
or lack there of progress is being made. So don't
be a stranger, and you're welcome here anytime to talk
football and to talk life. As well. Is that cool
cool I'll take you up on that offer, all right,
an Qua Bold
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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