Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: 09/27/2017

Doug tells you what legendary athletes and coaches like Rick Pitino always suffer from, an inability to go out on top. He explains why a former NFL MVP might not be as good as we all thought. Plus 13 year NFL veteran Ephraim Salaam joins the show in studio to talk about protests in the NFL and horrible offensive line play across the league. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom one Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you live and direct from
the City of Angels. Welcome in. All right. By now,
you've probably heard the news of the day that Rick
Pattino is on a leave of absence administrative leave from Louisville.

(00:24):
Uh that that appears to be a mere formality, were
the interim president at Louisville announced that earlier today. A
matter of fact, let's play that for you. Here's the
interim president at Louisville, Gregory Postel. The allegations in a
criminal investigation are troubling to all of us. It is
vital for this university to strictly adhere to n C

(00:45):
double A rules Duyne and nothing would be a tacit
endorsement of unethical and criminal behavior. Alright. So in other words, look,
we all know he's going to be fired. He has
a clause in his contract that he has to be
given ten days notice. And those these are they're just allegations.
And there is the possibility, believe it or not, there

(01:05):
is the possibility that Rick Petino didn't know Okay, there
is a US, but at some point it doesn't matter anymore. Right,
at some point there's enough smoke to where you end
up seeing fire. And because we're just coming off of
a scandal in which there were prostitutes helping recruit and
sign players at Louisville under his watch, whether he knew

(01:27):
or didn't know, like, at some point the buck stops there,
so he and Tom George likely to lose their job
in the very near future. I'd make this as the case.
I believe Rick Petino's actually the best basketball coach we've
seen in modern college basketball. He's gone to seven final fours.

(01:48):
He's won two national championships, both at Kentucky Schools Kentucky
and at Louisville. Remember he took Providence back in the
eighties to the final four. He's a better X and
O coach, in my opinion, in than Mike Sachowski. Schevsky
obviously has stayed away from the fray in terms of
n c A violation. Never went to the NBA, where

(02:09):
Rick Pettino was deemed to be a deemed to be
a failure. But nonetheless, Patino has been remarkably successful at
a lesser job. Providence turned around Kentucky from their own
n c A issues to make them a National championship,
essentially handed over another National championship team to Tubby Smith.
I think he's a better pure x and no coach

(02:29):
than than Zewski, and he has better kind of former
player feel than a Roy Williams. He's evolved as a coach,
He's changed his style, he's changed his location, and everywhere
he's gone, he's one in game out of game. The

(02:51):
problem becomes this ends up being the last chapter in
the book. No matter what we want to say about
uh Rick Pettino, we can't get away from the fact
that this is how it ends. It's it's Bob Knight,
right Like Bob Knight was an incredible coach, an unbelievable

(03:13):
coach that hundreds of coaches would drive from thousands of
miles around to come hear him as a clinician when
he was at West Point, when he was at Indiana,
when they were dominating the Big Ten and going to
the National Championship. But he did not evolve, and how
it ended there is still a source of bitterness to him.
He went to Texas Tech, where he did a relatively

(03:34):
good job actually a better than good job. But in
any left mid season and went to be a commentator.
And the end, the last chapter of that story has
so much negativity. Remember, Bob Knight was such a curmudgeon
on TV that there's a there's a good portion of
sports fans who don't know Bob Knight as the dynamic

(03:55):
personality and national championship winning coach from Indiana. They look
him as a grumpy old man, a kind of a bully.
Same thing with Rick Pettino. He's like a caricature of
the character which took over the basketball landscape. He was
an expert in conditioning. They played full court basketball. He

(04:16):
was ahead of his time. Rick Pettino had the New
York Knicks pressing and shooting threes before it was cool
to shoot threes. His team with the Boston Celtics was
tanking because they had two lottery picks, way before tanking
was cool. They just didn't get Tim Duncan and he
drafted poorly. But instead of that being the story, how

(04:41):
we craft that last chapter. The inability for so many
across so many sports to just walk away. Our lasting
images of Rick Pettino is him in that ridiculous football
jersey on college game day two weeks ago. I mean,
that's not even a sh medium, right, that makes Affliction
shirts look baggy. That's how tight that jersey was and

(05:03):
how uncomfortable it was to see a sixty five year
old man who looks like he's had some work done facially.
I don't know if it's botox otherwise. Like again, he's
like a caricature of a famous basketball coach, with the
perfectly cut suits and the cut. He didn't have to
he could have gone legit. In many ways, college basketball

(05:29):
is a lot like the mafia, Right, it's a lot
like the mafia. They do keep trying to reel you
back in, but there are times in which you can
go legit. You can cut ties. I mean in the
there will be other dominoes to fall. I don't know
if you've been following this, but one of the ten

(05:49):
people that were arrested yesterday, a gentleman by the name
of mural Code, was second in charge of grassroots basketball
for Adidas. He came from Nike, So yesterday Adidas took
a hit. Today, Nike's offices h Nike grassroots people were subpoenaed.
In other words, he's probably gonna turn into people who
fired him. That's what happens. And so this becomes the

(06:12):
tip of the iceberg. And we just have Louisville. But
there's other schools like could have followed. Remember Kansas is
an Adidas school. We'll see U. C. L A used
to be in Adidas school. Like, I'm not making accusations,
I'm just making easy parallels, Like wait, they're just helping
out Louisville. They're not helping out anybody else where else
where else are these smoking guns? Andy Miller, the NBA agent,

(06:34):
had his offices rated yesterday. And Andy Miller is alleged
to have you know, given players money in order to
keep them in school, knowing eventually they would come back
to him when they left school. Like either not the last,
this is not the last Dominoes to fall. But Rifotino
won a National champiship a couple of years ago. One

(06:55):
the entire thing without a ton of talent, like Gorgy
Jang was in terms of NBA talent, that's his best player.
He didn't need it. He could have gone legit. He
could have said, at how need any help from anybody recruiting?
We don't win. I mean that's really what happened to
Billy Donovan. Billy Donovan when he first got it going

(07:19):
in Florida, who knows who he used, you know, in
order to to get some recruits to kickstart the program.
But then once he won back to back national championships,
he didn't need it. He washed his hands in those
top twenty five recruits, those that I've told you there's
a like a ten percent at best rule of recruits
that have their hand out. You don't need those guys.

(07:41):
And by the way, you can win in college basketball
out with four or five year guys, perfect example of
North Carolina went to Final four's. Those guys aren't one
and douns. Those guys aren't the top of the top
of the top. You have a better chance of winning
with older kids that are a step below that that
that don't come in as entitled with drilling Ova one
with but Tino could have gone legit or he could

(08:05):
have walked away and none TV. One more job, right
you see it in movies, Alright, one more job. I
would just pull off one more job, then we'll right
off into the sunset. They always get caught in that
one more job, don't they I mean Michael Jordan's should

(08:27):
have had the greatest end to his career of any
of the ground. John Eway won the Super Bowl, and
some people will tell you, well, look, Elway won the
Super Bowl. That's the absolute peak for walking out. Michael
Jordan hit the game winning shot on the road as
the buzzer expired in Salt Lake City to win his
sixth NBA title, And when the NBA Finals m v

(08:51):
P holding the follow through that should have been it
six or six dropped the mic Jordan's out, But he,
likes so many others, couldn't, and instead he had those
two years with the Wizards m which I've chosen to
click and delete from my memory, but other people cannot.

(09:13):
Other people cannot. I mean Peyton Manning, I guess went
out on top, but the truth is he was a
shell of himself. Anybody who saw Peyton Manning his last
year seven touchdowns, it was a nineteen in receptions. Whatever
was no nine touchdowns seventeen receptions like Brady and Belichick

(09:33):
could have. Brady could have gone out on top. But
everybody wants to this. This is the one more syndrome.
There's one more syndrome. If you've ever played pickup basketball.
You know, one more you get that. You play pick
up ball. You play like four or five games in
the morning, and you've got a good sweat going and
you're running the court. You're on the main court. And

(09:53):
then you he's like, all right, this is the last
game in your mind, and you win. You're like, all right, well,
at and I gotta be home at ten and I
can get a nice tea and I can shower. You
start to untie your shoes, and you thought everybody else
was getting ready to go as a couple of guys
in the gym that haven't played, like, hey, man, hey guys,
let's run that back one more. You got your shoes unlaced,

(10:16):
you already take it, took off that sweaty shirt. You're like, hmm,
I think I'm done. Now, come on, man, come on, man,
just one more game. What happens in that one more game?
Somebody always gets hurt. The game is always bad, and
in the back of your mind, you're always thinking, I
just should have gone home. Rick Pettino in two thousand.

(10:39):
Right now we're left with the last two Rick The
last three Rick Pettino stories are prostitutes, recruiting players, the
creepy shot of him with college game day in the
sch medium tighter than affliction football jersey and paying a
kid a hundred grand and being summarily fired, losing out
on fifty five million dollars remaining in his contract. He

(11:01):
didn't have to do any He could have just been legit.
One twenty games not competed for national title could have
fallen the sword. Hey, I don't want to pay, I
don't want to cheat, I don't pay any players. I'm
just gonna coach, my coach a good ball team, a
bunch of good student athletes. But instead mafia, that mafia
mentality keeps bringing you back in that one more game mentality.
Let's run that back one more time, and somebody always

(11:23):
gets hurt. In this case, it's a legacy of By
my estimation, I think he's the best basketball coach we've
seen in the last twenty five years. Did everything well
except no one to walk away. Be sure to catch
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(11:45):
the I Heart Radio app from salam joins me most.
I think he was most famous for his time with
the Houston Texans and on Leadoff with Me on CBS
Sports Network. It was a great show. The best shop
we have the show ever was because we cracked the
same joke. It was awesome. Um, Okay, I got a
lot of things I want to there's actual football stuff

(12:05):
I want to get to with you, But I do
want to ask you about the protests because like now
we've we've taken this completely different turn. Right now, it's like, okay,
if you don't protest, you're not cool. And then Aaron
Rodgers like, hey, we want all the fans to lock arms.
Like you know, all the fans aren't necessarily are We
like you as a packer, but we didn't necessarily on

(12:26):
your side. It might sound like a really good idea,
but I that feels like a bad idea. It could
be a bad idea because you gotta remember when people
come to the game, they're there for entertainment, right for
the most part, And yeah, they're some of their beliefs
may line up with yours, but the only real reason
that they really like you is because you play for

(12:48):
their team. Baron Rodgers played forts played for the Chicago Bears.
They're playing. They would hate him, right exactly, So you
have to take that into account. As a player, He's
been there for a long time, He's won a Super
Bowl there, he's the man there. So asking people to
come out of their comfort zone and support whatever you're

(13:10):
off the field, beliefs are that that's a whole different rope.
Then there's the Ben Roethlisberger and the Alejandra Villa Loueva
thing like villen Aueva actually served in the army, is
a ranger three three different tours in Afghanistan. He goes
out there, he's all by himself, and then he's like, hey,
I've we almost made him feel bad for doing stuff,
which I thought was like the peak of ridiculousness, right,

(13:31):
and then Ben Roethlisber was like, yeah, I wanted to
be out there. I should have been out there. I
made a mistake not to get out there. Like what,
what what are you doing? Ben? I don't that was awful.
I thought that was the word that was terrible. I
crushed Ben for that. I'm not crazy to crush Ben
for it, right, No, it's completely undermining the entire process
what you guys agreed to as a team. So if

(13:54):
you agree to something right. Mike Tomlin was very poignant
and adamant about Look, some guys want to do it,
some guys don't want to do it. So what we
did was come together as a team. The players voted
and they all decided will stay in the locker room
or in the tunnel or wherever they were as a team.
So to come out after that and say, well, hey,

(14:16):
look that was their idea, that was in mine. I
wanted to be out there. That's completely undermining your teammates,
your coaching staff, the whole organization. And I don't get that.
I was shocked that he would do that. It's kind
of like pointing the finger at everyone else but himself,
and I thought that was classless. It's okay, So I
guess the question becomes like, look, we've had these discussions

(14:38):
off their before. The white guy, black guy thing in
the locker room is you have much more thorough and
interesting discussions than people actually have when there's a microphone
in front of their face, Like can I, as a
white guy go out and salute the flag but not? Uh?
But but but that not take away from as you,
as a black person want to go like, hey man,
I want to do this police brutality is something I

(14:59):
think needs attention brought to it, and that's why I
want to do it. Like does that will that undermine
a team? If if you can a white guy stand
up for the flag and not be ostracized by his
black teammates. No, he A lot of people are not
really getting the fact that if I was on the team,
we both were on the team. And I'll say, hey, look,

(15:20):
I agree with Colin Kaepernick. I've experienced some of this
in my own life. Are no people who have I'm
gonna take a knee in respect of the protests, but
I don't want to disrespect the flag, and I don't
want to seem unpatriotic. You as a white guy on
the team, you come in and say, hey, look, I'm
with you on that, but my beliefs I really want to,
you know, stand for the national anthem. I'm okay with that,

(15:42):
right because what we're having is open dialogue. The problem
is when you don't communicate, and that's what I think
a lot of sides are doing out here. They're just
talking at each other instead of listening and trying to
understand the other side. So I look at it both ways,
Like I understand people who are saying that it's unpatriotic

(16:03):
and and it's a disgrace and you should be happy
you're making millions of dollars you're in this country. I
don't agree with it, but I can I can get
I can get my head around their views because they've
been taught a certain way. Now, if you ask veterans,
people who have served, and people who know the flat coat,

(16:25):
they'll say they're taking a knee. Isn't disrespectful to the
flag at all? Some of the things people doing in
everyday life with the flag, wrapping yourself my banana hammock. Yeah,
you're resting your franks and beans in the American flag.
I didn't know that was wrong pretrespect. They know they didn't.
Nobody pulled me aside and tell me flat he from
Salam joining us on the Dug Gottlip Show. Um. The

(16:48):
other part two It is it's hard because you want
to not react, right, You want to go like, look
that dude wins because he he calls players out and
they react. But the truth is reacting kind of helps
him win because what was it? Do you know there's
guys that that sit there and watch to be like

(17:09):
I just want to watch sports, Like what am I
supposed to do? Like he called our bluff and then
we need we we as as a as a unit,
we kneel before the flag, but that will wear the
average middle age American out, Like and all I want
to do is watch football game? Click. I turned, like,
how do you? Is it possible to not react? It

(17:30):
is possible not to react. Um, but I don't know
if it's it's smart to or not, because you gotta
look at it like this. These are issues. Number one,
Donald Trump did something I don't think anyone holding that
office should ever do, is be completely disrespectful, uh to

(17:53):
not only players, but the mothers and fathers of those players,
calling them s O b s. So you and say, oh,
he was just a statement, but the people he's talking to,
it's not just a statement. Right. So if you if
I'm out there playing and I'm taking a peaceful protest
and I'm kneeling and you call me uh an s

(18:17):
ob and I take it personal, like you're talking about
the people who gave birth to me. I mean that's
an insult. There's there's no like, nobody's arguing like my
thing is like and and then of course you do
it on the back of the Charlottesville thing, like wait, wait,
you said there's good people on both sides of that one,
and then you call people s l B S. I'm

(18:38):
with you. But again, for whatever reason there are there's
a apparently a substantial group of people who choose to
never hear any of this. Of the things he said
right between the video with Billy Bush, you're talking about
the size of his junk when he's during the presidential election,
conscious ignorance, or even some of the when he addressed

(19:00):
the u n some of the things he said. I mean,
like even in the night in which he called out
NFL players that took a knee, he was down there
campaigning for dude to loss yesterday, but he also said, like, well,
you know, if he loses, all goes to the other guy,
like it was. It was. But it's one of the
things where like he he says things to which anybody
else like you can't do that, and your president, you

(19:22):
can't do that, but he does it, and then your
reaction is what ends up kind of invigorating him, and
so he I'm like to this point where like normally
I get, hey, just don't react but in this case,
you gotta react. It makes it impossible for you not
to react, right, which is I think because he keep going,
He'll just keep right and then you come out and

(19:42):
with like no, no, no no, that actually actually the numbers
are up for the virs, like no fake news, fake news,
fake news. He did heed a phrase that can get
him out of any Yes, fake news. All he has
to do is say that in his family, in his
base is and base completely ignores any of the relevance

(20:03):
any of the information in the story, whether it be
verified or not. They completely tune it out. So you're
literally talking to yourself. Does have the But the original
protest was against police brutality, right, Yes, that is correct,
But we've gotten past the point to where that's actually
part of the protests. Well they wanted it that way,

(20:24):
Donald Trump, I knew exactly what he was doing. If
you shift the protest right and make it about something
that more people would be up in arms about than
you win. So now it's not about the mistreatment of
minorities by the hands of paid, you know, authority in

(20:45):
this country. Now it's about being unpatriotic. Okay, So how
do you how do you shift the narrative back or
do you just you stop protesting? You Well, you can
never stop protesting. I don't. I don't because until we
actually talk about the issue and and do something about
the the actual problem that was the original protest, then

(21:06):
it's not gonna go away. It's still happening, and they
don't want to address that situation, so they have to
make it about something else that they can get behind.
So now it's about look at these guys. We give
a millions and millions of dollars as much money as
I made in my thirteen year NFL career, which was
it's pretty good. I'm still an African American man in

(21:29):
this country. I'm six eight to seventy and when I
walk around, I'm intimidating. So if I get pulled over
for nothing, or if I get stopped our question, I
still have to fear for my life because I don't
know how it's gonna turn out. To get the other side,
to get White America to understand that, it's difficult because

(21:52):
they're not faced with that same issue, so they can't
even they have no I hear what that feels like
when you've never been approached in that type of situation,
then you can't possibly sympathize and understand where I'm coming from.
And that's why the disconnect between what Colin Kaepernick was

(22:14):
doing is so vampiant because they just don't get it.
I don't get it. It seems like he's on patriotic,
so they stick on that point. They can understand that point.
He's on patriotic, so I don't even talk about the
other part. I didn't think he was on patriotic. I
thought he was intentionally disrespectful like I thought it was.
It was. It was disrespectful with the intent of bringing
attention to the problem. And I he he knowingly willfully

(22:35):
put his job out in the line, which I thought
was actually brave of him. Again, I disagreed the protests,
and I do think that he went way too far
with some of the rhetoric that he used, and I
think again he attentionally did so. He called cops murderers
walking the streets, like I think you're inflaming things, especially
when there's there are good cops that are protecting on
a daily basis, and then the pig socks and the

(22:55):
castor show like. I think he made some errors, but
I think probably the biggest air made is that that
the narrative has been shifted, and whatever reason, we've all
allowed the narrative to shift. And some of it is
the doing of the president, the doing of the opposite side,
but some of it is allowing it to be done.
All right, here's what I want to do. You did

(23:17):
play thirteen years in the NFL. You do know a
thing or two about offensive line, and frankly, with the
putrid offensive line play, can we can you explain? I
gotta figure out what else is going on sports from
Steve to Seger, and then you got to explain to
me how you fix this stuff as we head into
October and half the league can't block the other half
of the lag. It's bad. Alright, Steve dig what are

(23:37):
you working on? Start with NFL news. Vikings quarterback Sam
Bradford with the bad Name did not practice today. Minnesota
still hopeful he'll play Sunday against Detroit Dolphins. Running back
j A. G I did not practice today, but he
plans to play Sunday against New Orleans in London, where
he was born. The Cold Say quarterback Andrew Luck will
not practice this week. He still hasn't practice coming out
shoulder surgery. Packers wide receiver Randall thinks he'll play tomorrow

(24:01):
night against the Bears. He missed last game with a
chest injury. Carolina wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin, with the bad need,
did not practice today. Louisville basketball coach Rick Pettino will
be fired for now. He's on unpaid administrative leave due
to an ongoing criminal investigation. Four day games in Major
League Baseball, Houston has Justin Verlander on the mound and
leads eleven to two at Texas in the bottom of

(24:23):
the sixth inning. So far a grand slam for George
Springer and Carlos Correa is four for four with four RBIs.
They're ready to hand Texas a sixth straight loss. Colorado
currently a game and a half ahead of Milwaukee for
the last NL wild card. Colorado leading at home six
three now against the Marlins in the bottom of the fourth.
A's over the Mariners to nothing in the fourth. It's
the Giants three nothing leaders at Arizona, top of the third.

(24:46):
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(25:09):
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e from Salam He joins us in studio. Okay, Like, look,
your best seasons were with the Houston Texans. They can't
lock anybody, No, they can't. So I mean, I guess
it simply as simple as well Dwyne didn't have Dawyne.
You don't have Dwayne Brown. Pay him a bunch of money.

(25:29):
But he's right down the street to out here. Okay,
So he was at to hid a dinner party. He
was at the house last week. Is he's just sitting
there counting his money. Look, Dwayne wants out right, he
wanted to renegotiates, renegotiate his contract. Rick Smith said they
don't do that. They don't open the books with two
years left on the deal, which is false. They've done

(25:49):
it three times. They did it with J. J. Watt,
they did it with Andre Johnson, and they did with
Eric Winston. So if you're telling Dwayne that he's not
that caliber of player, he's the best offer. He's one
of the top five left tackles in the league, and
he's by far the best offensive tackle. You guys have

(26:10):
offensive lineman period. Then, I mean, to me, I understand
where he's coming from, because they've destroyed the offensive line.
I mean, those guys. No, he's made the strongest possible
statement you can make. All right, Fine, you can win
without me, go ahead and win. It's so bad that's offensive.

(26:31):
I guess we're not even just them though. I know, like, Okay,
you got Giants, you got Seahawks, Um, you have Arizona.
Arizona is awful, Cleveland. I don't know if you've seen this,
but but Sean Kaiser has been hit thirty one time
already this year. You know, this is why, I'll tell
you College systems today are destroying the fabric that the

(26:58):
NFL was built on. But why because when you came out,
you came out of state type of offense. We ran
a pro style offense, all right, so we ran. Now,
all of our coaches came from the NFL. So my
offensive ted owner, my offensive line coach, played seventeen years
in the NFL for the Charges in the Vikings on
All Decade team. So what I was being taught was

(27:20):
what he was being taught, which is tangible and I
could use. I started Kyle Turley and myself got drafted
in the same year. We both started for our teams
right off the bag, made the All Rookie Team. I
went to the Super Bowl. What's happening now is Number one,
college coaches are getting younger and younger. Most of them
haven't played ever, and the offensive systems with the UH

(27:44):
spread offense and no one having to make decisions themselves.
So if you watch a college football game, which I
know you do, they'll come up to the line of
scrimmin everybody stands up and looks at the coach because
the coach is reading the defense, making adjustments and then
tells them what to do. So now they don't have
to think for themselves. All right, it's not only killing quarterbacks,

(28:04):
but it's killing guys up front. All five offensive linemen
have to work together. So if you're all looking at
the sideline waiting for the center to get the call
then to tell you what to do when you get
to the next level. It doesn't work like that. You
have to be able to process the play call. The
defense can change in the middle of the cadence, and
you have to know exactly what to do, and you
can't wait for the center or the quarterback to tell

(28:25):
you what to do. And I think that's what's happening.
Defenses are getting a lot more aggressive, a lot more exotic,
and the offensive line play isn't up to part because
they can't adjust it. I've seen guys go completely the
opposite direction. If you see a linebacker come from the
middle of the field, out of the box, get to

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the line of scrimmage and we have green feet was
what we called it is when he's in a track
stand standing up and you have a defensive end on
your outside shade as a tackle. To you, what do
you think is gonna happen? Right, where's the defensive end
gonna go defensive? N is gonna go inside. He's got
to go inside because he has to make room for

(29:07):
the now the new person who have seen the outside. Right,
So if you're not processing this and you snap the
ball and you step out and your defensive end goes inside.
Now you have two guys undebated to the quarterback. I
see it every week. I see it at least once
every ten plays. How do you fix it? Um? You
gotta retrain these guys. What about in the short term.
I mean, like, look, you're we're creeping up on October.

(29:30):
And so Carson Palmer had no It was unbelievable. I mean,
he was hot against. He was on fire when he
haven't been all year against can block anybody. So what
you have to do as an offensive coordinator is you
literally have to break it that. You have to make
it as easy as possible, and you have to help
these guys out Right, we're seeing a lot of tackles,

(29:50):
Um not getting any help whatsoever. So you want to
go when you want to go empty and it's five
offensive lineman against five defensive linemen and you know you're
struggling an offensive line, that's not a good You gotta chee,
got a chip, You gotta chip, and you gotta slide
one direction and send me back the opposite direction. You
gotta bring it tight in, have him flexed out, have
him chip, give yourself some time as things you can do,

(30:10):
which I never got. I've never got any of this,
so I'm still salty about it. You know, when it's
third and ten and I'm going against Jason Taylor alone,
you know, I get it. I understand. But nowadays you
have to be able to design an offense or you
can know where your deficiencies are and you can help that,
and they're not doing it. Cam Newton got pulled last week. Um,

(30:32):
he's awful. He has not. He has not been good. Now. Look,
I don't think you're ever as good as you are.
When things were rolling for them two years ago, they
had a great run game, unbelievable defense. Um. Kind of
similar to the Cowboys last year in that their quarterback
was always putting a good position and they you know,
they had him with some power running plays and when

(30:53):
the quarterback runs the ball, everybody in football knows that's
that's one more blocker on the field for you. So
they were almost running single wing with him that some
poy in time. It was like it was all working.
Last year was bad. This year appears to be worse
than He's coming off a shoulder. Is this who Cam
Newton is? Is? It's a bad version that can be fixed,
like what's happened to the former m v P. To

(31:17):
be honest, this is who Cam Newton is. So he's
never been that accurate. He stays right around fifty seven
percent completion rate. Good years, bad years, you know, throughout
his worst year, throughout his his his best year. That's
who you are. And for him, I said it on

(31:38):
our show a couple of weeks ago. He's doing a
poor job getting rid of the ball. So the problem
with big, strong quarterbacks who have tremendous arms is they
like big place. Right. He's athletic, he can fend off defenders.
Ben Roethlisberger's was like this in his charly in his career.
He's stay in the pocket way too long and then

(31:59):
try to move the pot. Get The problem with uh
Cam is he's not accurate, right, So when he gets
moving and all that, he his accuracy goes down. So
now you're in a situation where I'm watching him. He
never checks the ball down. He never checks the ball down.
Offenses are put in place for guys to be available.

(32:20):
They're gonna be open because they can't cover everybody. Let's
say drafted Christian McCaffrey. He never checks the ball purpose.
He never checks the ball down. He's always looking down
the field. And that's a detriment to him because now
he puts himself in position to have to run to
take hits and not get those easy yards. Get three yards,
come back to the line, second and seven, we're good,
Get two more yards. You know what I mean. He's

(32:42):
not doing those things. He's constantly looking down field when
things break down. He's not the runner he used to
be because of the injuries. Took a lot of shots
to the head last year, so he's not that guy.
They need to really hone him in and say, hey, look,
use Christian McCaffrey. All right. They lost greg Olsen, which
is is gonna kill him. Benjamin's hurt, so you have
to come up with ways to stay on target. They're

(33:05):
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E great to see you. Fox Sports Radio has the
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our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within
the I Heart Radio app. The tipping point from Cam
Newton not being an elite quarterback anymore. Was he never

(33:27):
was an elite quarterback. It was what we saw from
from Dak Prescott last year. It was the perfect scenario.
They played a soft schedule, he had a great defense,
he had a great running game, He had an offensive
coordinator who understood how he used him, use him. He

(33:48):
was his healthiest, He was the healthiest he had ever been.
They had had uh they had played poorly the year
before and worked their way into not plus there the
Carolina Panthers, they weren't on as many primetime games, like
out of all these things, and he had Greg Olsen,
and so even though they lost Kelvin Benjamin that year,
they didn't have who was supposed to be their new

(34:09):
pass catching threat, because he had two other good running backs,
because he had a good offensive line, because he had
a loaded defense, and they played field position football, and
they played super safe and always put him in third
and shorts so he didn't have to make tough decisions.
And they had no issues in the locker room because
they had Jettison Steve Smith, Like these were all kind
of it's it's like you're reading the tipping point. There's

(34:31):
a lot of the reasons that something tips more than
just one thing, and that's the reason it's tipping back.
He doesn't have Olson, so he doesn't have his guy
to dump off too. Kelvin Benjamin wasn't in shape, isn't
the same player he was before he tore his a
c L. Their defensive coordinators changed, their defensive personnel has changed.

(34:54):
They play a more difficult schedule. Their run game isn't
as dominant because their offensive line hasn't been as good
the last two years. He has been heard he probably
did come back a little bit too early, and as
you age as a quarterback, you run less, you throw more.
He's not as good as thrower. This has become an
accurate pastor's game more than a deep downfield pastors game.
All of that said, ultimately, I don't think he ever

(35:19):
was a superstar quarterback. I think he had a superstar reputation,
and we wanted him to be better because people when
he came out of college, people said, you know, he's
not that smart, he's not that accurate, and he has
to run and in the NFL you can't run. And
you know what, they were all right, the Nolan No
Rocky's were in fact right, Carolina Panthers. No, they know

(35:48):
that they're playing around the idea like he's treated as
if he's a superstar, but he's not. And the way
you have to play in the NFL, Matt Ryan style
is always going to be better for longer than Cam
Newton style, even if Cam Newton gives you wow plays.
And by the way Cam Newton said it himself in

(36:08):
the year they went to the Super Bowl, there has
never been a quarterback like me. There's never been anybody
as big as me, as strong as me. You can
run like me, they can throw like me. Yes, And
now we know why, because that style does not last.
That style has to have too many things go right
for it to go right. Be sure to catch live

(36:29):
editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three
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the I Heart Radio app. Let's welcome in Evan Daniels,
who's a college basketball insider for Fox Sports one and
Scout dot COM's director of basketball recruiting. Evan joins us
here on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Fair assumption to make Rick Petino's coaches last game Louisville.

(36:51):
I think that's a pretty fair association assumption, Doug, for sure. Okay,
what's your reaction. Um, I think I'm surprised to see
it go down this way. I think a lot of
people thought, um, the last scandal would be, um, kind
of the nail in the coffin, and and um, this

(37:14):
this is this just it just seems weird. I listened
to what you uh, what you said earlier, and this
is obviously a legendary basketball coach, a guy that accomplished
so much in this industry, and um, I guess to
kind of see it go down this way is a
little shocking and surprising. Yeah, I mean, like, look, he
was incredibly this this cannot get lost in the story

(37:37):
is and I know we have a tendency to focus
on the scandal at large and the litany of scandals
in which he has been associated with. Um and and
that's that's fair. But it's also fair to say, like, look,
when he was with the Knicks, they were shooting threes
before anybody thought shooting threes was a good idea. He
did it when he was at Providence, right, he embraced
the three point shot before anybody else who was an

(37:57):
elite coach embraced the three point shot, and when he's
with the Celtics, as much as that was a disaster,
they were tanking before taking was cool. Uh. In addition
to the fact that he's played different styles and one
with them at Providence to Kentucky to Louisville, and when
he won his last title at Louisville, he didn't do
it with a litany of one in duns. He did

(38:18):
it with good players that he had put together to
become a great basketball team. Like I look, do I
think that he's he's become pompous and in many ways
weird and caricature. Sure, but as a basketball coach, I
can't think of anybody who's been more impactful in the
game in a myriad of ways than Rick Petino. Well,

(38:39):
I think you're I think you're dead all with that.
I don't think anybody would even argue against that. You can't.
You can't get past one hand if you're naming the
best coaches in college basketball. And from an impact standpoint, Uh,
he's really and I think it's what you alluded to.
He's adapted when the game has changed, He's adapted. And
you mentioned the three point shooting and maybe even goes

(39:00):
further than adapting. I mean he helps, um move the
game in in a different direction in some ways. Um,
you know, from a pure development standpoint. I mean, anybody
that's ever been to a Ritino practice, Um, I mean
you walk away learning something. His his practices are are incredible.
This is a guy that could see every position on
the floor. And I've had some coaches telling me that's

(39:23):
a sign of a of a of a great coach.
Somebody can see every position on the floor and see
everything that's happening. And um, yeah, I mean he's obviously
a legendary coach, the first coach to take three three
teams to a Final four. All right, so um you
have Yeah, these other programs that had an assistant coach,
Uh get arrested yesterday, Mima Mono, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Auburn,

(39:48):
trying to think who the other one was? Uh, yesterday
you had yet four assistant coaches that end up being arrested. Like,
are those head coaches the ones that are most nervous.
There's somebody who is the most nervous that's getting the
call into the athletic director's office today and we may
we may see be the next head to fall. Well,
I think anybody, any any school that was alluded to

(40:11):
in the fb FBI investigation is probably nervous. And if
it doesn't dug, I don't. It doesn't stop there. And
I've talked to I would say I've talked to upwards
a fifty Division one coaches in the last two days,
probably more. And there are a lot of scared people
out there. There are there this. There's a lot of
nervous people. There's no question about it. It's not I

(40:32):
think in some ways this could even be just the
tip of the iceberg. And a lot of people have
said that on on Twitter. But when you when you
get when you have jail time on the line and
deals are made, you never know what's going to happen. Ultimately,
is it good? Is it a good thing? And by
that I mean I was telling Evan Daniels joining us
scout dot com, Fox Sports one college basketball insider, my

(40:56):
brothers an assistant coach Oregan State, everybody knows that he's
been doing this for twenty years and he's it. I'll
sleep fine because I'm not involved in any of this stuff.
I don't, we don't if I don't break rules and
I don't have to lose any sleep over this. But
he's like, look, I kind of think it would be
a good thing. And here's why the second somebody asked
me to break a rule instead of worrying about the
n c A, now you can say, dude, I don't
want to go to jail. And I kind of think

(41:18):
this could be a good thing in cleaning up part
of the game which everybody knew. I don't know if
everybody knew how bad some of this stuff was, or
the you know that that there was that college coaches
were taking money keeping it for themselves in an effort
to steer people to suit guys and financial guys. But
I think we all knew it needed cleaning up. Could
this ultimately be a good thing. Well, I think for

(41:41):
the guys that don't work in I think what we've
all called the gray area, Um yeah, it cleans things up.
I mean I certainly think, Um, look, if you're not
scared of jail time or the FBI or the U
S attorney Like, if that doesn't allus you to rethink
how you do things, then I don't know what will.

(42:04):
So I I think I think it's going to clean
things up because I think anybody that has been operating
in that arena is going to start thinking twice about
doing that. And I think there is a misconception out there,
and I think you may have even tweeted it. Not
every coach does this now are there planning, certainly, but

(42:25):
not every coach. I mean there's plenty of coaches like
you mentioned that your brother is sleeping find tonight, that
are doing the same. But I think the whole thing,
and you you you touched on it, the the kind
of the underworld of the college basketball recruiting game was
exposed for the world to see and really exposed to
the world to see in a way that none of

(42:46):
us ever expected. No, I I agree with that, and
I mean, you know well, I mean you got the
guys at Scott dot com and do a phenomenal job
coving the world of recruiting. Okay, here's the other question,
and maybe this is the selfish angle. Um, this is
gonna link in and now that you know they they've
subpoenaed guys at Nike and Merle Uh what's the guy's name,
Merle code that was yeah, that was arrested yesterday works

(43:09):
for Adidas. He used to work for Nike. So I
think there's a lot of speculation that he's selling out
the Nike folks who fired him, going back a little
bit more than a year ago. UM, does this standard
reason that they will be a substantial group of college
players that are ruled ineligible because of this? Yeah, I
think that's that's pretty obvious. I mean Louisville and the

(43:30):
press conference today, UM basically said that Brian they didn't
name him my name, but said Brian Bowen was suspended. Um.
I think it's not gonna stop at him. I mean
there's twelve I think players UM talked about in that report,
and I kind of went through and figured out, uh,
basically just through googling which player was which. And you
know a lot of those guys are in college basketball

(43:51):
or starting it or UM. So yeah, I think there's
gonna be a handful of him. UM guy's ruled ineligible
and it may not stop here either. Okay, So again
without saying names, because you said, I got a text
from somebody who i've I respect. You said, don't be
surprised if ten guys lose their job, Like, what's a

(44:13):
reasonable number to think coaches that are going to get
fired because of this thing. I think it's hard for
us to really know because I don't think we know
where this leads um. And I think that's the that's
the biggest thing. It feels to me. And I don't
know how you feel them, but it feels to me
that they're searching for something bigger. Yeah, if they would,
if they would have had something bigger, I think they

(44:35):
would have lead with it. And they kind of said
like hey, they kind of gave a hey, turn yourself in,
here's the tip line thing, and maybe going through all
of these phone records and all of these documents, Uh,
they still don't know exactly what they have, like we
have your playbook. Yeah, it doesn't mean you actually have,
you know, I think there's some other guys and these
you know that uh you know, there's the assistant you

(44:57):
know they're they're they're waiting to see if these assistant
coaches will roll all right, and that the isn't that
the next step? Yeah, that's certainly what it appears that
they're they're waiting on. I mean it's uh, I fully
believe that that yesterday kind of marked a day of
change in this world. And I mean I think I
think it's going to clean up now. There are always

(45:18):
going to be people that that work in a gray
area or um whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Probably,
But I think if this was a warning sign to
a lot of guys, I will I am somebody who,
as you know, Evan Evan Daniels joined us scout dot com,
Fox Sports one college basketball insider, I'm somebody that I'm
not to pay the player's guy. And I do think
that there there are people like, well, you know, if

(45:39):
you paid the players, like none of this would have happened.
I'm like, Okay, you're paying the coaches and they're taking
more money. I just that doesn't stay. If you pay
a player ten thousan dollars, if he's offered, you know,
ten thousand more, he's not going to turn it down.
I don't. I think people are making correlations and things
that that don't correlate. What's your thoughts on the pay

(46:00):
the player advocates saying that this is a moment to
champion their cause. Well, I think at the end of
the day, you can always go go over the salary cap,
so to speak. You could always, you know, you could
pay a player and and to entice them to go
to your school, find a way to pay him more. Um.
You know, I've I've always kind of gone back and

(46:21):
forth on the players deserved to be paid. I think
that they are um compensated pretty heavily in terms of
a scholarship. But do they make these universities in the
n C dol A a lot of money? Yes? So
I see it a couple of different ways. Um, how
this factors into it, I don't know if it's a
direct correlation. I mean maybe maybe if if these guys

(46:43):
were getting money, um, that this stuff wouldn't be is egregious? Possibly?
Um there, you know, there there's a lot of people
saying that Tom Crean sitting out there. Hire him as
the interim, hire him as the coach. I like the
idea of a Greg Marshall. And my logic is Greg
Marshall said he'd only live for for a blue blood.
And though Louisville is not maybe a traditional blue blood,

(47:04):
there as close to a blue blood as he'll ever
get to put him in the A C C facilities
money and he can be his own kind of Greg
Marshall's self. There's gonna be a new athletic director there
that that's a name I would go after. What are
your what do you what? What? What's the possibilities at Louisville. Yeah,
I think Greg Marshall is a good name. I think
Chris mac is a name that that has been tossed around.

(47:27):
And his his wife is from Louisville. Um, there's some
obvious connections there. Um, you know, Davis to two hours away. UM,
So I think Chris mac would be a name to
to think about. It's interesting to me, Doug, because Louisville
doesn't have an acting president, it's an interim president. The

(47:48):
the job of Tom jurch is is um. I mean,
they play some administrative leaves, so like, how do they
go about making this higher? Who's is the interim president
going to be the one making the call? Does he know?
There's just so many factors here at play. I mean
I would guess, and sources told me that that David
Padget's kind of the guy acting as UH interim coach

(48:11):
right now. I don't think he has that title, but
I think he's kind of in charge right now. Like
do they do they maybe it just hires somebody for
a year and try to figure out over the next
year I mean, we're really late in the game. Practices
is supposed to start in a week for some teams. Obviously,
it's an attractive job. It's a job that a number
of coaches would want to do. They want it seven
days before the season is supposed to start. It seems

(48:35):
like a tough sell. Yeah, it does seem like a
great stuff. Follow Evan Daniels on Twitter, of course, readia
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runs it. And then of course you can see him
on Fox Sports one with our college basketball coverage getting
ready because we had a Big ten this year to
go along with the Big East and the Pact twelve. Evan,
thanks so much for joining us. Man kind of dark days,

(48:56):
but does feel like this may clean up the sport
that we we enjoy so much. I appreciate having mer.
That's Evan Daniels joining us. Fox Sports Radio has the
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the I Heart Radio app. I like Mike Leach. We
generally won't have Mike, we have my Gleach. It'll be

(49:16):
a taped interview. Not because he's not awesome. But because
he rambles. He does like if you ever had him on,
he says a lot of interesting stuff, but he just rambles.
It's like it at it's like a two or three
question interview. But he does say he has a strong opinion.
Friday night up in the Polus. I want to go
to the Polus for a game Wazoo hosting USC. If

(49:39):
you've looked at USC scheduled, like, this is a game
in which they could get clipped. Uh, what's is the
quarterbacks day? Nick falk is the quarterback. He has a
the pro prospect. Washington State games like four and a
half hours long because they throw the ball every freaking down. Um,
but it's kind of interesting. He was asked a question
about Sam Donald and he used it to take an

(50:01):
off ramp and talk about young players entering the NFL.
Here's what he had to say. Oh, I think he
could be. I don't think he is today. You know,
I get a kick out everybody thinks one eighteen year
old after another's ready to go to the NFL. I
think that's laughable, and I think they're in some rare, rare, rare,
rare occasions. A guy can do that, you know, Kobe

(50:21):
Bryant did it, so they act like, well everybody, No,
Kobe Bryant can do it. Not everybody can do it.
That's listen, that's just a portion of what he said.
And remember, Sam Donald is twenty, he'll actually be twenty one.
Um in the middle of the summer. He's a red
shirt sophomore, and twenty for red shirt sophomore is actually
quite young in college, especially for a quarterback like Donald's

(50:42):
unique because he he wasn't like one of these prototype quarterbacks.
He wasn't one of these guys that that did all
of the seven on seven stuff. He wasn't held back
in eighth grade, so that he was twenty years old
when he finished high cool. Matter of fact, Um, there's
a high school point guard at Modern Day, which is

(51:04):
also in Orange County where Sam Darna grew up, whose
nineteen turns twenty this summer. Donald is twenty and he's
a redshirt sophomore quarterback at SC right. So I think
the point that Leech makes is that what what what
the senator meant to say? And even Kobe Bryant, like

(51:25):
we act like Kobe Bryant hit the NBA running and
he was awesome. Right away. Remember the airball in the playoffs.
He was not good his rookie season. Kevin Garnett was
not good his rookie season. Now, eventually they became all
time greats in future Hall of Famers, no question about it.
But we cannot set the standard for players ability to

(51:45):
go to the pros based upon a handful of guys
like Lebron James had thirties first night in the NBA.
Most guys are went far, far from ready. What's maybe
more interesting about it is, now there's exceptions to this,
but like let's say Sam Donald came out and he
goes to the Jets and he's not ready, and he

(52:06):
stinks with the Jets for two years or even a year.
He stinks for the Jets because he's not ready. It's
really hard to come back from that. Whereas when you're
an NBA player and you struggle in your first year,
you start going your first year. Think about Jared Goff,
how hard it is to convince somebody that, hey, Jared
Goff is actually pretty? Is like I'm having trouble buying

(52:28):
in Like, wait, is Jared Goff good? Now? Was he
just too young? Last year? Do you not have good enough.
I mean, like we talked about with this with Cam Newton,
he has better players around him, He is a better
offensive coach, is a better quarterback coach um, and he
has some experience. He's older, he's stronger, he's gotten the
full camp, the full offseason, like all of those factors,

(52:49):
and now golf looks to be better, but it's you
still have a really hard time convincing yourself that he's
just better because of all those things. You're like, well,
maybe it's Sean McVeigh looks. Sean McVeigh made Kirk Cousins
look like a hundred million dollar quarterback. Whereas in the
NBA you can stink right away and still be well

(53:09):
regarded just because you're too young.