July 11, 2025 • 48 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug gives his evaluation of Cooper Flagg's summer league debut.
Doug gives his thoughts on the Lakers as they try and deal with the end of the Lebron era.
Doug reacts to news about the NCAA Tournament expansion. Doug welcomes former NBA player and FSR NBA commentator Ryan Hollins onto the show to get his thoughts on Cooper Flagg and Bronny James.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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having a great day. The Dog Gottlieb Show broadcast live
every single day, and my man Dan byers alongside, so
too is Jay stew Iowa Sam. We got the whole
crew today and we got a good show. Ryan Hollins
will join us as tour Of course, Ryan played in
the league for a decade. He's the Rockets color analysts
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and he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
(01:08):
So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
(01:29):
is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
(01:52):
They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually, Like, I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates FIA WhatsApp and they
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send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio. Sometimes that's full game.
Says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green
Bay now. Sometimes it's because the financial ask is just
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completely out of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't
as tall as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you
really can't get him into the United States with his
contract and he's really a pro, and they're just kind
of messing with you. But oftentimes it's because the highlight
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tapes max the actual game. And I'm watching last night
and I have a couple of takeaways on both Bronnie
James and on Cooper Flag. But I think the biggest
takeaway will be if you didn't watch that game. And
by the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys.
(03:18):
You guys have lives as well, and it's not like
it was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Jason, I did, yep, okay, Dan, I did, okay? Sam.
What is your perception of each of the players of
h first Bronnie and then of Cooper Flag and how they.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Played, you mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do own a phone. There are people that, again,
without having watched, I'm sure you saw some highlights. You
are on social media. We text each other about tweets
all the time. What is your perception on how they
both played.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk. Like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball, and so
(04:44):
if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough the
in the low post. Offensively, There's one highlight of him
where he at the end. It's called a foul on
Cooper Flag. He was trying to back him down. And
Cooper Flagg he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now, Dan,
(05:07):
let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played? How'd
you think Brownie played?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I thought the whole thing was a mess.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I thought that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for,
but the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like chaos.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
It's a bunch of players that haven't played together, I'm guessing,
and it looks like it. It's it's kind of like
it's either like a middle school game or a WNBA
game or both that it was just it's hard to
watch outside of those two guys that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eighteen year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going to be a dude. Whereas Bronnie James
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looked like Okay, in comparison to last year, he'd improve.
Last year he ran from the ball, last year he
was not particularly good defensively, and last year he looked tiny.
This year still doesn't look big, a little look stronger,
looked like he knew kind of what to do and
where to go, but was just kind of a guy,
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Like if you didn't know he was Bronnie James, you
wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You wouldn't say, like,
who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think you would say, boy,
that kid must think he's really really good because he
takes a lot of shots. But part of it is
you're never going to get to that place of being
a dominant player unless you act and try and play
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like a dominant player. Am I making sense? Dan?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
were especially in the first half orrow about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Look like yeah that that at some point that will work. Yes,
And that's really that's really what your rookie year, high
draft pick summer league is about. Right. It's it's like
in golf, when you're not particularly good at golf, or
maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good, Dan, you
could be more to the judge of where you're not.
(07:31):
It's not about what your round is, right, It's gonna
be bad, Right, It's a little bit about the final score,
but it's a lot about those one or two shots
that keep you coming back. You know, yes, remember that
drive on eleven. Now I'm coming back. And if you're
playing with a guy who's not very good and he
hits a drive on eleven, like, you know, if he
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works on it, you know he played a little bit
more golf, he can be a decent player.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're you know, shooting decent scores for us,
and you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
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at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five. But he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
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And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie stinks. He
doesn't stink. He's not bad at basketball. He's just not
a rotational NBA player. He's not He shouldn't be one
of the four hundred and fifty best players in the
world because if he was after a year of being
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in the NBA and the G League, he should have
far more control over what's going on the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
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City and they have the topic kid topicch Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, Yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
he'd looked like he'd been around the course before. Bronni
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had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g league, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
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but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Going next to the Dug.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Got I'm sorry, h Could I continue the analogy here
of the golf as you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm
sure Dan's familiar with this guy. You know, you get
paired with somebody in a foursome the strangers, and then
like midway through the round, the guy will turn you
and be like, man, I never played this bad. And
that happens in poker too, Like you'll be playing on
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a table and some guy like man, I never played
this bad, and you're like, you know, I I've seen
the way you play, you know, I saw your swing.
You're probably bad all the time and I think that's
what Doug is getting to. And it reminded me when
Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview after the game.
It kind of reminded me of that Cooper Flag was
telling the world, Man, I never played this bat not up.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
To my standard. But I'm gonna regroup, be all right.
You know, it's a new feeling, new environment, new teammates.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
But you know, the guys haunted.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Down, you know, Miles Ryan, they were amazing tonight. Max
Oh and they were great tonight. So you know, just
you know, they had my back. You know, I didn't
have my best game, but I'm gonna just keep going
going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it.
Like good guy, Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so it was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like, what are we doing here?
(12:06):
This is not why this game is on ESPN right now,
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in, But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity,
and Dog, I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to
the point I even said this earlier this week on
your show when I was in for you and you
were in for the herd Is. At some point we
(12:28):
got to get past Bronnie, and I felt last night
Bronnie understood the assignment at the end of the game.
He's the one we wanted to see take that shot.
Granted it was a brick from twenty five feet out
with a guy in his face, but at least he
understood the assignment last night. You know, at some point,
I think we just kind of got to get passed,
like his name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, he there were times in which he really
pressured the ball at the point guard spot really well,
but then there are times in which he got exposed
as it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to
pressure guys, and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
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and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it. You know, that's sort of
about it. And again I'm not judging on the scale
of could you survive? Right if this year, If his
performance last night was last year, I would have been
(13:34):
more enthused. But dude, when you play a year in
the NBA and in the G League and you just
kind of melt in it just that's not enough in
comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless of name, size, position,
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that have been in the NBA for a year. That's
that's my feeling.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Is this is the best of the Done Dot Lead
Show on Fox Sports radioh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What we did? I gotta know, Fox Sports Radio. I
hope you're having a great day. It's a Friday. Ah,
you made it, you made it, you survived the week
afterwards July. You're like, damn, today's Friday. Today's Friday, Today's Friday.
M hm m mmmm hmmm mm hmmmmmmmmm. I am excited
(14:34):
about the new sports here, the really sports here. Turns
over All Star Break, which is upcoming next week in baseball,
that's base Bowl. So I also breaks really here, you
know it's here. I'm taking a break, they'll take a break.
We'll take one with them. That's that's exactly what's up.
I want to combine two things in one, which, yes,
(14:57):
I know there is an ad campaign. Wasn't that It
was that a Kelsey ad campaign? Right? Two things in one, yeah,
I want to combine two things. One I can compare
combine last night's game between the Maverick Summer League team
and the Lakers Summer League team, and the story in
regards to the Lakers and their treatment, if you will,
(15:19):
of lebron James since the Luka Doncic trade. Okay, so
last night you watched Bronnie James, And again I understand
that anytime you give any reasonable feedback about Bronnie that's
not oh my gosh, he's a rotation player next year.
(15:39):
What an incredible discovery the Lakers made of this poor
kid who just barely played at USC because he's coming
off the heart issue. If I say anything other than that,
I'm deemed to be a hater. Okay, washing him in
high school wash him in aau washing him at USC Hey.
(16:00):
His year at USC, I was still covering college basketball
for the TV Network other TV networks, and I lived
in southern California as well as helping out some in
Oklahoma State. Okay, this year again, I watched as much
as I could. I did watch some G League games,
some he played well and some he didn't. And I
watched you know, the NBA bit minutes here or there
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or whatever. So I'm trying to give you the truest,
most honest assessment. If that bothers you, I don't know
it just that bothers you. That's not my issue. I
don't think he looked like a bad basketball player. He
didn't look like he was a make a wish picked
out of the crowd. Oh my gosh, this poor kid.
Let's give him a uniform and let him run up
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and down the court. There were times in which he
defended at a high level. He made a couple of
nice shots, he had a nice drive and kick off
for a dunk like there were some good things there.
But there were other times in which he was just
a guy out there, what's called a jag, just a guy,
And my evol would have been Okay, wait, he played
(17:03):
in the NBA. Last year, he was in the G
League and he and that's it. I would have said,
not a rotation player, probably not a full time NBA guy.
If you've had that much experience and that much work
with the big club, this should be way easier for you.
I mean, really, it's like playing Madden at the all
pro level and now you're playing Madden at the rookie level.
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Even if you barely do anything at the all pro level,
you get the rookie of Like, this is a lot easier.
And I was thinking to myself, like, he's not bad,
but remember last year JJ Reddick when they draft him,
it is like he's earned this, and everybody said like,
oh yeah, then you give him the four year guaranteed contracts.
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People said, oh yeah, then you play him opening night
and it was a photo op and like, look, I
do get it. You know, I've said this ten times
over that if the worst thing Lebron has done as
a parent is make the Lakers draft and play his kid, like,
(18:12):
it's really in comparison to what some other stars have
done with their kids, or their lack of engagement or
their sons. You know, weren't nearly as good or for
whatever reason, like he has no off the court issues
at all. Talk about Lebron zero one wife, three kids,
(18:36):
and yeah, we can find fault with dads, but dads
that love their kids so much they think they're better
athletes than they actually are. That sounds like every dad ever,
right ever, But they clearly did it to curry favor
with Lebron. So again, I'm trying to put these two
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stories together. So why would the Lakers go from hey, man,
Lebron's our guy. We wanted to set that career scoring mark.
We want to go all in on Lebron to they
sell the team and they don't even call him, they
don't give him the heads up. Why would they? And
(19:21):
my best guess, Hey, my best guess is that the
Lebron thing is a lot. Man, It's just a lot.
It wears you down. There is a shelf life on it.
And I think there was an attempted coup at several
(19:41):
times of Rob Polinka of the Lakers' front office. If
you go back to what pat Riley said when he
left the Heat, remember, okay, what Phil Jackson said he
had heard about pat Riley's experience when he was with
the Heat, which is he brings in all his guys
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and he tries to take over your shop. And so
my guess is that at some point they got to
the like, we just got to get out of this
doing everything for lebron thing. We traded the kitchen sink
for Anthony Davis won a title, Then we want to
go get Tomart de Rosen, and he says, no, no, no,
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We're going to get Russell Westbrook. Then we have to
just get rid of Russell Westbrook. That's just an ugly episode.
We've cycled through coaches that can't coach him. Now you
make them draft your son. And again, I don't know
this for a fact, and no people in the organization
has not been told to me for a fact. But
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if you keep kind of forcing it, forcing it, forcingate
and you know, like, why was Brownie with the big Club?
Do you think they love the fact that he didn't
travel to Bronnie didn't travel to road games for the
first half of the year in the G League. Then
when he does play in the G League, he takes
every shot. And then when he's on the team, it's like,
you know, how like that that whole thing.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
It it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It makes a little they what they called when you
have little clicks within a team, it becomes very clique.
And it's not to say Lebron's a bad guy or
that if you were that powerful, you wouldn't exert some
of that powerful. But there does come a point where
(21:31):
as a team you're like, dude, f that dude. We
do everything for him, everything, everything, And what's his reaction
been like to the trade? Well, hey, it could be
me next. Any rumors about other clubs, that's all coming
from Lebron, and I just think the Lakers are just
(21:53):
kind of done with it and sort of And this is,
by the way, how Lebron treats people. Lebron doesn't go
up to a coach when he wants him fired and
says you're fired. He doesn't go up to a player
and says I'm never talking to you again. He just
stops communicating with them. That was the whole thing with
Russell Westbrook. Remember there's the famous part on the bench
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when he's sitting there with Anthony Davison and Russell Westbrook's
coming up and talked to him and it's like he's
not even there. It's like he's looking completely through him.
He might as well have that invisible cloak that they
had with Harry Potter, right, So it's one of those Hey,
it's really weird that lebron is disgusted over the passive
(22:38):
aggressive ways of the Lakers when he's the king of
passive aggressive. And the perfect example of it is here's
last night, all this hype. They put all this into
Bronni's development, and he's all right, he's not tear Like, please,
don't let anybody tell you. Gollyp said he's terrible, is not.
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But dude, anybody who's played in the league, there's just
a different sort of swagger, different sort of look, different
sort of control on the game. They just look feel
everything is different than everybody else. So when's my ted
talk Dan Byer, what do you think does that? Do
you do you buy any of that that? It's not
it's not one thing. It's it's years of build up
(23:24):
to where finally they're like, you know what, you want
to be passive aggressive, we'll do the passive aggressive thing.
We pick up your player option. But we're not we're
not doing we're not holding meetings and like, what do
you want us to do? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I feel that the Lakers finally have control and they
can go into their file cabinet and bring out all
the things that they've kept under wraps or things that
they haven't spoken about, which you laid out there where
they said, well, this is the reason why.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And maybe they won't even do that.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Maybe they'll just take the high road and say, all right,
we've just decided to chart our few. You're in a
different direction with Luka Doncic and move on that way.
But none of that stuff in the past, I'm sure helps.
I also said before, I feel it's been a relationship
built on convenience and for all of that, I don't
(24:15):
think that the Lakers should deny that they had their
own reasons for allowing Lebron to do that. But yeah,
now it's a different time.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Evan tweets us and he says, guys, pat Benattar did
a song called I Am the Warrior. Patty smythe did
the Warrior two different songs, two different songs. So again,
I can you can you do me a favor, Sam
and find I Am the Warrior and then juxtapose it
(24:48):
with the Warrior and see if I have any sort
of Maybe I.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Was singing scandal like yes, you were like, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Daniel's version, don't they say I am the Worrior? Yes,
which was written first Google machine. Okay, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Patty, Yes, this is Yep. No, what it says Dennis
is yes, No, this is Jason. It says on there
pat Benattar. That's weird. Okay, I don't know who cares.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I gotta know. I have to know these things, like idiot, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Got to be in our system, right, No, he's.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Saying it's in our system.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But he was playing it there off his computer.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
We have we did have the Patty smythe song I
played that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
But yes, by scandal in this system us the button bar? Yeah,
so our I just want to I just want to
lay this out here because we get on Sam a
lot for this. Do you think that I Heart Media,
with thousands of radio states across this country and including
top forty programs of Casey, Casem and other that I
run through this building, would have that song mislabeled?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Possible, No, it's impossible.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So whatever, Sam, whatever you played from your button bar,
which is a radio term that nobody realizes that means.
But that's how he would bring up the song and
play it. There's no way that's wrong in the system.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And I think that the YouTuber the YouTube post that
we just played, I think may have been like a
Doug Gottlieb disciple because.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Disciple on YouTube they missed, they mislabeled.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
They mislabeled at Pat Bennettar. Because if you look for
the actual song I Am the Warrior about Pat Benatar,
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think the people confuse it. Our listener who tweeted
you is wrong. I think you were wrong, and then
I was wrong for playing a YouTube song that was
mislabeled Pat Benatar.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So there is no Pat Benatar song called The Warrior.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, I have to anyone in our system. It doesn't
have every big hit by Pat benatarn here, but it
has most of them, and I do not see anything
about the Warrior. So I think it is patty'smife. We
have settled this.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I believe I am wrong. Yeah, I think I'm I'm wrong. Okay,
here's the question, Dan, we don't know the answer to this.
How does it end between Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Well, I thought he was going to play out low
All the other teams throughout the season. He would be
a free agent next year and allow that frenzy to occur.
Then he would sign on for two years with that team,
a one on one deal, and then that next year
would be his final year. That's how I think it
ends up ending. The only thing that has moved me
off of that being one hundred percent to about ninety
(27:46):
eight percent is all of this Cleveland crap that's going on.
And by crap, I'm not blaming Cleveland, but I'm learning
to get golf. I'm wearing you know, the hats, the
whole deal that we've talked about for the last week,
all of that stuff said it last Sunday, like that's stuff.
Like now it's like Lebron is on overdrive. He tweeted
more since he announced that he was opting into his
contract than he did the entire month of June over
(28:08):
those five days.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, so Jay stew again, I know you, like I
want to get into the sports. There's not a sports discussion.
This is a how does it play out discussion? What
do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It just seems to me that they're gonna find a
way to move him before the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I wonder if they get to the trade deadline. Okay,
here's a telltale sign of how bad it is. Is
Bronny with the big club to start the year next year?
Is he with the big club? Does he and does
he play as well? Like, if he plays early on
they're trying to pacify him, they have him around in
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the regular season, then I don't. But if they're like,
you know, he's gonna do mostly G League this year,
keep developing, keep developing, keep developing, then I then yeah,
I think it could be done earlier rather than later.
And then the question is if somebody's gona pick him
up next year, are they gonna make him back draft Brice?
Is that gonna be part of the deal and take
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Brownie with him?
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Been widely reported that the NCAA Tournament's gonna remain in
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sixty eight teams for now. Both the men's and women's
basketball committees met this week to discuss expanding I love that. Hey, no, listen.
The women had a discussion about expanding the tournament two yes.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The The topic of in the field This is from
Dan Gavit, who runs the event in each championship, was
discussed at length, but no decision or recommendation was made.
Steal Bible outcomes include the determinans remaining sixty eight teams
or expanding the field to seventy two or seventy six
games in advance of the twenty six or twenty seven
championship seasons. So that's pretty good. It's really good, really good.
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What what's really good that they're starting to kind of
show their cards. It's my belief that whatever they found
I hasn't give them total clarity as to what it's
actually worth. My guess is that there is not a
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clause in there that opens up for renegotiation with any party.
So the NCAA signed a deal with CBS and Turner.
Turner pays eighty percent of it right now. Since then, recently,
Turner has has doubled down and they got way more
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college sports than they ever used to. They got more
professional sports. Although they don't have the NBA. They don't
have the NBA, so not having the NBA, but they
still own and operate inside the NBA. Obviously they still
have the space there. Gonna be fascinating to see what
they do regarding the NCAA tournament in meaning, I would
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guess that the wording doesn't say if you add games now,
Apple can bid, now, ESPN can bid, now, NBC can bid,
because if they did, then they absolutely would have added games.
They would have done it already because as much as
you know, you're only talking about adding two games or
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four games. Right, Remember, if you're at sixty eight, you're
gonna go to seventy two. You're adding when you're adding
four teams, that's two games. If you add if you
go from sixty eight to seventy eight, seventy six, excuse me,
you're adding four games, that's it. How much are those
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four games worth? Not a ton unless the whole package
is now potentially for sale. And again this is just
an educated guess that the only thing they can do
now is hey, they meet with a committee, like, ah, okay,
we all want more money. We all need more money.
But if we're going to continue to destroy the fabric
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of this thing, which is the sixty four team bracket,
that's all anybody cares about. How much is that worth
to us? And does it trigger a reopening of the
negotiation for the TV deal. If it did, I believe
this would have been approved. I don't think it does.
Ryan Holland's going to join us. We'll ask him about
Summer League and about this Lebron James Luka Doncik passing
(33:12):
of the torch in l a story that Ramona Shelburne
and Brian Windhorse authored Stut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Ryan Hollands joins us this weekly visit. He's our Fox
Sports Radio NBA analyst. We both played in Summer League.
You well, you've made the team. You made the league
for ten years. Not so much for your boy. Let's
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start with Bronnie. What was your email on Lebron James Junior.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I thought he looked so much more comfortable on the floor.
I think for Bronni, he's going to be a reliable,
reliable role player. I think he'll be a long time pro.
But it's just the biggest thing you can tell, so
a lot of the nerves from last year, and I
mean for the fiftieth pick, and obviously the being the
Brons on the heights is always going.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To be there.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
But I thought he'd looked good out there. I thought
he looked confident and you know, you can see his
body developing and growing even more.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I would agree with you in terms of his comfort, okay,
and his confidence, but I would I would tell you
that My thing would be and again, you played in
the league. I didn't. Usually guys that played in the
league when they come to play summer league, the expectations
are for them to be, if not the best, one
of the two or three best players of the court.
The NBA players look different than summer league dudes. Is
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that fair?
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
And I don't think he met that test. Did he
look better, yes, more comfortable, yes, stronger, sure, But did
he look like that guy's playing in the league for
a year? He didn't fit that bill? Is that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
I mean, in again to each his own, you know,
in that in that situation, and I and here's the thing,
Like for Bronni's game, he's great playing off people, He's
a defender, obviously that's going to be had for himself
in his game. But he's gonna go into a summer
league game and he's not gonna, you know, just just
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he's not gonna blow you away with things that he's
gonna do out there. And that doesn't mean that he
can't make a impact. And I think the biggest thing
he's gonna have to improve his spot up shooting, and
he's gonna have to be a dog defender. You know,
these are the things that we've been saying for a
long time in terms of Brownie. So I think that's
where you know, we're gonna see his ultimate impact at
the end of the day, and you know they were
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the improvements are gonna have to be made for him.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Ryan Holins,
I guess okay, Now, same question regards to Cooper Flag,
what'd you think.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
I think Cooper is who I thought he was. I
think he's gonna be excellent on a team where he
can run the lane and finish and use his athleticism.
He's not a guy you throw the ball to and
you say get out, get out the way. And I
think if those people had those expectations of him. They're
going to be disappointed. But he's at a perfect place
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in Dallas where he's gonna bring a lot of length
inside to their to their them being already pretty good defensively,
he's a good outside shooter, and I think if you
can defend, that means you can get out and transition. Doug,
but he's best right now in transition, and I think
that's where Cooper is gonna essentially flourish.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But with his.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Intangibles, he's a great piece. And you know, when we
say role player, you a guy that can play on
the floor, Like that's not a shot to any guys.
Like a lot of guys can't play in the NBA
game and they can't, you know, kind of fill a position.
I don't think there's gonna be an issue with.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Cooper stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
don't know if you read the article earlier today, but
Ramona Shelburne, I know, you know well, uh and Brian Windhorse, Uh.
They co author to piece that said, Hey, basically, the
Lakers have gone from Lebron involved in any decision to
Lebron no longer involved in every and any decisions, what
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your thoughts on the transition the Lakers are making.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Well, you got to understand, you know, this is part
of having new ownership. And I think the last we talked, Hey,
those are things that you gotta you know, you're gonna
have to figure out. And you know, I thought it
was pretty obvious in Lebron's you know actions, whether that
was you know, told to him or not, or how
it was or wasn't conveyed, that he was gonna he's
looking to make a power play, like saying, Hey, you
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know I don't have to be here. Let's see how
you value me, you know, how this thing is going
to work without me at the end of the day.
So that's what I read, and I think either there's
accuracy to that statement or you know, he's going to
test the waters and kind of find out where he lands.
But I definitely, I definitely believe in that. I think
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I think that's what's going on, and you know Lebron
is smart enough to know that, and you know, you
see him being, you know, in a sense proactive. Hey,
I'll go play somewhere else. So you're gonna have to
make a choice and say, oh no, no, no, no,
don't go play no nowhere else. You're good here. You're
our guy, for good or not. But you know he's
in the position again. He's smart enough to force their
hand in a new ownership position.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Ryan Hollins
is our guest. You can hear him on Fox Sports
Tradio acts to see him if you watch Houston Rockets games. Okay,
Oklahoma City now they're big three? Is all locked up?
If you were running that place, is that what you
would have done?
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Yeah, you got to keep him happy. And one of
the biggest things that they've also shown is that they
are ops in the league and player development. So they
showed you the guys they can't recreate. They feel like
the rest of those guys are essentially interchangeable. We can
bring in Wiggins or Isaiah Joe and we can make
another one. You know, we feel like we have faith
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enough in the system. But as far as those three,
you know, Jalen Williams and Shay and Chet, those are
the pieces that are not interchangeable. And that's what they
you know, they kind of let you you know, and
you know, for what they've done, they won the championship.
I always believe that you reward the champ you know,
even if it may set you back, even it may
hurt you a little bit moving forward. You take care
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of those guys and you know, hopefully you can have
a San Antonio like build where you keep them there
long term and guys are comfortable and they trust you
enough as an organization and does forgimiving me if I'm wrong,
I think Okac is probably the closest. I think the
Warriors have been the Spurs of our generation, but okay
See has a chance to be the next generation Spurs
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if they can keep that core intact and have kind
of like that family us against the world type mentality.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, no, I think. I mean, obviously, you know you
have Sam Presti came from the Spurs. They're trying to
be built like the Spurs, and you know, the Spurs
had had a big three or four they built around
for years and they were just very fortunate for the
most part, those guys didn't get hurt. I mean, I
think that would be my biggest cause for concern would
be Chet. You know, he's play like a year and
(40:00):
a half. He was hurt the first year and then
he played eighty two and then he was hurt this year.
Do I think his jump shot develops? Yes? Do I
think he's still a good room protector, Sure, But injuries
I think are the biggest issue with that one.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
No, No, You're You're spot on. And you know, it's
even intriguing, intriguing when you look at Chet because he's
got such a unique bial with his size and his
skill set is just off the charts. You don't see
the guys that big. I think he's even an answer too, almost,
you know, taller than I am, and I'm a legit
seven feet but you don't see those guys being able
to move like that. And the question, you know, with
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the Chet is like, hey, do we put weight on
him or do we just get him stronger? Do we
just kind of injury prevention maintenance him? But at the
end of the day, I've always said this, Shay's really
darn good, like historically good. But for them to win,
that's got to be good. And you know, when Chet
becomes good, that's that's where the league really gets in trouble,
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and even more so, where he can guard his physician
and the and the fives on the floor because if
you can hold his weight on at five, you're you're
not matching up with okay. See, so he's he's the key.
So I agree with the investment into him, and you
got to assume they have the medical records and they
felt comfortable what they've seen from him.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
And with his age.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Do you like what's your reaction to the Mike Brown
hire with the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
I thought Mike Brown did an unbelievable job in Sacramento
and it's not the sexiest pick. I'm sorry they didn't
go and you know, get get you know, one of
the name guys that they originally wanted to poach from
another team or you know, you know, like Jay Wright
or somebody like that. But Mike Brown is a darn
good coach and I worked with him and I thought
he did a heck of a job in Sacramento, and
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I think he's gonna, you know, New York setting themselves
up with Mike Brown to you know, come back and
roll and have a strong level of success. So I
thought there was a great move by them, and you know,
I think that works out at the India end of
the day. And you know, Doug, you can almost see
it unfolding with everybody getting hurt, Like, hey, New York
is right there, if not somewhat favored in this deal.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, I it's interesting. I knew you couldn't replace Tibbs
with anyone who hadn't been to the conference finals or beyond.
So he fits that. Bill. He's coached in the NBA.
He's coached superstars in the NBA. It's like, what were
our expectations? Were we expecting Red Arbak to be the guiter?
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Like I don't really know what people what?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
What people what people thought?
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right? I like, well Bill Jackson, Oh, Bill Jackson's not
the coach, but then I don't like him. Like again,
like this, that's not enough options out there when they
reached out and other guys are in a contract. Right,
you're the best man, Joy Summer League. Let's talk soon, okay,
h Doug, it's the Doug Outleb Show here on Fox
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Speaker 2 (43:05):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
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Speaker 2 (43:29):
Umber throwing and a breaking off line the right center
base head.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
There's Rooker the second off with the Wallas Harris around third.
The play to the plate is not nearly in time,
and Soners some walks it off for the A's starring
Rooker from second base and the Athletics and the eleventh
inning come back and they win the series.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
How many people know that the A's are the Athletics?
I mean, I know we all do, right, Buyer, you
just gave me a look, I'm senior.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I would say, like eighty five percent. Think I think
it's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's as high
as you think. I think Oaklan age, Like what are
the oakle A's for? Like, I don't know, it's just
the A's. They have a big A gain you and
I do. I do because when I was I think
I was nine, I played on the A's. Uh, Jay Su,
what do you think percentages? Just getting your your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, I would say, hi, at least three quarters, Sam,
I do think that the Weed I think this show leads,
weads the league, leads the country. And trying to guess
what regular people think. Yeah, and it's always couched by
I know we know it because we were in sports,
But what are regular people?
Speaker 4 (44:45):
I think a lot few, a lot more people don't
know that the Knicks are the Knickerbockers.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
If that's like a parallel, it is.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It is a parallel. It's a good parallel. What are
the other ones that are shortened? Trying to think Oaklan,
the A's.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't think there's an exhausting lists Terrapins.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, yeah, uh do we know that the Knicks fighting
Irish fighting a line?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I I don't think that there's there's many, Sam, did
you know?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I'm like, again, Sam, you knew it is the athletics idea.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I think it's seventy or higher with now.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I just again, I'm I don't know this to be
real stats, But I felt like there's a lot of
people that for a long time had no idea that
the Brewers, for example, in the National League, or that
the Astros in the American League like that took a
long time to really resonate with people, and as baseball is,
(45:50):
the A's used to be kind of a like a phenomenon. Right.
They had Charlie Finley as her owner. They had a
lot of cool hip stuff. Then they went from you know,
Reggie Jack to Ricky Henderson to the Bash brothers uh
And and Eckersley, and then they kind of became the
lapping stop of major League Baseball after Moneyball. I just
(46:10):
I don't know how many people go, like, what does
A stand for? Like the Oakland A's.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
I'll tell you this little known fact you may not
know about me. I was an Astros fan when I
was a kid. I like the Houston Astros, Glenn Davis.
Then he got Delta the Orioles in a deal involving
Kurt Shilling, Pete Harness, and Steve Finley. It was all
about the Killer Bees and Bagwell and Bigio. I remember
when Randy Johnson got traded there in ninety eight and
(46:35):
then they then the Brewers jumped to the National League and.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's I'm sorry, and so right then it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, sorry, I was just you was talking to Killer
Bees and it just the Bees made me have allergies.
I just steroids. Sorry, sorry about that. I just gotta
my sneeze usually comes in three, so just just be
wary of it. You're an Astros fan, huh.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I like the old ass was Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
They used to have broke their hearts in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Sure do you remember, like the old Astro's uniforms, like
with that whatever, the different colors, like almost the color
of the sunset across the front. Yeah, I don't know
what that. Yeah, I again my only memories of pre
killer bees garroids.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
But in Houston is who wasn't?
Speaker 7 (47:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Who was? I mean?
Speaker 4 (47:23):
In Bizio bigioside think the story was great, starting out
as a catcher, moving positions to elongate his career.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Becomes Hall of Famer, remarkable, unbelievable. But before that era
of Astros, it was all Nolan Ryan, no hit or highlights. Right,
That's the only time, if you grew up in California,
the only time you would ever think, breathe anything about
the Astros was like Nolan Ryan. And then you know
(47:52):
was the Astrodome, which was again Astronome was honestly made
most famous to our generation bad news bears, Right, didn't
they play in the astrodome? Was that the second pass
Newsparis Once they played in the astronaut training. That was
before they went to Japan. Japan at some point they
went to as well.
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and he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
(01:08):
So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
(01:29):
is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
(01:52):
They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually, Like, I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates FIA WhatsApp and they
(02:15):
send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio. Sometimes that's full game.
Says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green
Bay now. Sometimes it's because the financial ask is just
(02:37):
completely out of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't
as tall as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you
really can't get him into the United States with his
contract and he's really a pro, and they're just kind
of messing with you. But oftentimes it's because the highlight
(02:58):
tapes max the actual game. And I'm watching last night
and I have a couple of takeaways on both Bronnie
James and on Cooper Flag. But I think the biggest
takeaway will be if you didn't watch that game. And
by the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys.
(03:18):
You guys have lives as well, and it's not like
it was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Jason, I did, yep, okay, Dan, I did, okay? Sam.
What is your perception of each of the players of
h first Bronnie and then of Cooper Flag and how they.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Played, you mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do own a phone. There are people that, again,
without having watched, I'm sure you saw some highlights. You
are on social media. We text each other about tweets
all the time. What is your perception on how they
both played.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk. Like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball, and so
(04:44):
if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough the
in the low post. Offensively, There's one highlight of him
where he at the end. It's called a foul on
Cooper Flag. He was trying to back him down. And
Cooper Flagg he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now, Dan,
(05:07):
let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played? How'd
you think Brownie played?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I thought the whole thing was a mess.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I thought that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for,
but the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like chaos.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
It's a bunch of players that haven't played together, I'm guessing,
and it looks like it. It's it's kind of like
it's either like a middle school game or a WNBA
game or both that it was just it's hard to
watch outside of those two guys that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eighteen year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going to be a dude. Whereas Bronnie James
(06:08):
looked like Okay, in comparison to last year, he'd improve.
Last year he ran from the ball, last year he
was not particularly good defensively, and last year he looked tiny.
This year still doesn't look big, a little look stronger,
looked like he knew kind of what to do and
where to go, but was just kind of a guy,
(06:30):
Like if you didn't know he was Bronnie James, you
wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You wouldn't say, like,
who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think you would say, boy,
that kid must think he's really really good because he
takes a lot of shots. But part of it is
you're never going to get to that place of being
a dominant player unless you act and try and play
(06:53):
like a dominant player. Am I making sense? Dan?
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
were especially in the first half orrow about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Look like yeah that that at some point that will work. Yes,
And that's really that's really what your rookie year, high
draft pick summer league is about. Right. It's it's like
in golf, when you're not particularly good at golf, or
maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good, Dan, you
could be more to the judge of where you're not.
(07:31):
It's not about what your round is, right, It's gonna
be bad, Right, It's a little bit about the final score,
but it's a lot about those one or two shots
that keep you coming back. You know, yes, remember that
drive on eleven. Now I'm coming back. And if you're
playing with a guy who's not very good and he
hits a drive on eleven, like, you know, if he
(07:51):
works on it, you know he played a little bit
more golf, he can be a decent player.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're you know, shooting decent scores for us,
and you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
(08:20):
at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five. But he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
(08:54):
And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie stinks. He
doesn't stink. He's not bad at basketball. He's just not
a rotational NBA player. He's not He shouldn't be one
of the four hundred and fifty best players in the
world because if he was after a year of being
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in the NBA and the G League, he should have
far more control over what's going on the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
(09:38):
City and they have the topic kid topicch Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, Yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
he'd looked like he'd been around the course before. Bronni
(09:59):
had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g league, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
(10:22):
but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Going next to the Dug.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Got I'm sorry, h Could I continue the analogy here
of the golf as you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm
sure Dan's familiar with this guy. You know, you get
paired with somebody in a foursome the strangers, and then
like midway through the round, the guy will turn you
and be like, man, I never played this bad. And
that happens in poker too, Like you'll be playing on
(10:55):
a table and some guy like man, I never played
this bad, and you're like, you know, I I've seen
the way you play, you know, I saw your swing.
You're probably bad all the time and I think that's
what Doug is getting to. And it reminded me when
Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview after the game.
It kind of reminded me of that Cooper Flag was
telling the world, Man, I never played this bat not up.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
To my standard. But I'm gonna regroup, be all right.
You know, it's a new feeling, new environment, new teammates.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
But you know, the guys haunted.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Down, you know, Miles Ryan, they were amazing tonight. Max
Oh and they were great tonight. So you know, just
you know, they had my back. You know, I didn't
have my best game, but I'm gonna just keep going
going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it.
Like good guy, Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so it was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like, what are we doing here?
(12:06):
This is not why this game is on ESPN right now,
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in, But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity,
and Dog, I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to
the point I even said this earlier this week on
your show when I was in for you and you
were in for the herd Is. At some point we
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got to get past Bronnie, and I felt last night
Bronnie understood the assignment at the end of the game.
He's the one we wanted to see take that shot.
Granted it was a brick from twenty five feet out
with a guy in his face, but at least he
understood the assignment last night. You know, at some point,
I think we just kind of got to get passed,
like his name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, he there were times in which he really
pressured the ball at the point guard spot really well,
but then there are times in which he got exposed
as it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to
pressure guys, and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
(13:12):
and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it. You know, that's sort of
about it. And again I'm not judging on the scale
of could you survive? Right if this year, If his
performance last night was last year, I would have been
(13:34):
more enthused. But dude, when you play a year in
the NBA and in the G League and you just
kind of melt in it just that's not enough in
comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless of name, size, position,
(13:56):
that have been in the NBA for a year. That's
that's my feeling.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Is this is the best of the Done Dot Lead
Show on Fox Sports radioh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What we did? I gotta know, Fox Sports Radio. I
hope you're having a great day. It's a Friday. Ah,
you made it, you made it, you survived the week
afterwards July. You're like, damn, today's Friday. Today's Friday, Today's Friday.
M hm m mmmm hmmm mm hmmmmmmmmm. I am excited
(14:34):
about the new sports here, the really sports here. Turns
over All Star Break, which is upcoming next week in baseball,
that's base Bowl. So I also breaks really here, you
know it's here. I'm taking a break, they'll take a break.
We'll take one with them. That's that's exactly what's up.
I want to combine two things in one, which, yes,
(14:57):
I know there is an ad campaign. Wasn't that It
was that a Kelsey ad campaign? Right? Two things in one, yeah,
I want to combine two things. One I can compare
combine last night's game between the Maverick Summer League team
and the Lakers Summer League team, and the story in
regards to the Lakers and their treatment, if you will,
(15:19):
of lebron James since the Luka Doncic trade. Okay, so
last night you watched Bronnie James, And again I understand
that anytime you give any reasonable feedback about Bronnie that's
not oh my gosh, he's a rotation player next year.
(15:39):
What an incredible discovery the Lakers made of this poor
kid who just barely played at USC because he's coming
off the heart issue. If I say anything other than that,
I'm deemed to be a hater. Okay, washing him in
high school wash him in aau washing him at USC Hey.
(16:00):
His year at USC, I was still covering college basketball
for the TV Network other TV networks, and I lived
in southern California as well as helping out some in
Oklahoma State. Okay, this year again, I watched as much
as I could. I did watch some G League games,
some he played well and some he didn't. And I
watched you know, the NBA bit minutes here or there
(16:22):
or whatever. So I'm trying to give you the truest,
most honest assessment. If that bothers you, I don't know
it just that bothers you. That's not my issue. I
don't think he looked like a bad basketball player. He
didn't look like he was a make a wish picked
out of the crowd. Oh my gosh, this poor kid.
Let's give him a uniform and let him run up
(16:43):
and down the court. There were times in which he
defended at a high level. He made a couple of
nice shots, he had a nice drive and kick off
for a dunk like there were some good things there.
But there were other times in which he was just
a guy out there, what's called a jag, just a guy,
And my evol would have been Okay, wait, he played
(17:03):
in the NBA. Last year, he was in the G
League and he and that's it. I would have said,
not a rotation player, probably not a full time NBA guy.
If you've had that much experience and that much work
with the big club, this should be way easier for you.
I mean, really, it's like playing Madden at the all
pro level and now you're playing Madden at the rookie level.
(17:27):
Even if you barely do anything at the all pro level,
you get the rookie of Like, this is a lot easier.
And I was thinking to myself, like, he's not bad,
but remember last year JJ Reddick when they draft him,
it is like he's earned this, and everybody said like,
oh yeah, then you give him the four year guaranteed contracts.
(17:50):
People said, oh yeah, then you play him opening night
and it was a photo op and like, look, I
do get it. You know, I've said this ten times
over that if the worst thing Lebron has done as
a parent is make the Lakers draft and play his kid, like,
(18:12):
it's really in comparison to what some other stars have
done with their kids, or their lack of engagement or
their sons. You know, weren't nearly as good or for
whatever reason, like he has no off the court issues
at all. Talk about Lebron zero one wife, three kids,
(18:36):
and yeah, we can find fault with dads, but dads
that love their kids so much they think they're better
athletes than they actually are. That sounds like every dad ever,
right ever, But they clearly did it to curry favor
with Lebron. So again, I'm trying to put these two
(18:59):
stories together. So why would the Lakers go from hey, man,
Lebron's our guy. We wanted to set that career scoring mark.
We want to go all in on Lebron to they
sell the team and they don't even call him, they
don't give him the heads up. Why would they? And
(19:21):
my best guess, Hey, my best guess is that the
Lebron thing is a lot. Man, It's just a lot.
It wears you down. There is a shelf life on it.
And I think there was an attempted coup at several
(19:41):
times of Rob Polinka of the Lakers' front office. If
you go back to what pat Riley said when he
left the Heat, remember, okay, what Phil Jackson said he
had heard about pat Riley's experience when he was with
the Heat, which is he brings in all his guys
(20:04):
and he tries to take over your shop. And so
my guess is that at some point they got to
the like, we just got to get out of this
doing everything for lebron thing. We traded the kitchen sink
for Anthony Davis won a title, Then we want to
go get Tomart de Rosen, and he says, no, no, no,
(20:25):
We're going to get Russell Westbrook. Then we have to
just get rid of Russell Westbrook. That's just an ugly episode.
We've cycled through coaches that can't coach him. Now you
make them draft your son. And again, I don't know
this for a fact, and no people in the organization
has not been told to me for a fact. But
(20:47):
if you keep kind of forcing it, forcing it, forcingate
and you know, like, why was Brownie with the big Club?
Do you think they love the fact that he didn't
travel to Bronnie didn't travel to road games for the
first half of the year in the G League. Then
when he does play in the G League, he takes
every shot. And then when he's on the team, it's like,
you know, how like that that whole thing.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
It it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It makes a little they what they called when you
have little clicks within a team, it becomes very clique.
And it's not to say Lebron's a bad guy or
that if you were that powerful, you wouldn't exert some
of that powerful. But there does come a point where
(21:31):
as a team you're like, dude, f that dude. We
do everything for him, everything, everything, And what's his reaction
been like to the trade? Well, hey, it could be
me next. Any rumors about other clubs, that's all coming
from Lebron, and I just think the Lakers are just
(21:53):
kind of done with it and sort of And this is,
by the way, how Lebron treats people. Lebron doesn't go
up to a coach when he wants him fired and
says you're fired. He doesn't go up to a player
and says I'm never talking to you again. He just
stops communicating with them. That was the whole thing with
Russell Westbrook. Remember there's the famous part on the bench
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when he's sitting there with Anthony Davison and Russell Westbrook's
coming up and talked to him and it's like he's
not even there. It's like he's looking completely through him.
He might as well have that invisible cloak that they
had with Harry Potter, right, So it's one of those Hey,
it's really weird that lebron is disgusted over the passive
(22:38):
aggressive ways of the Lakers when he's the king of
passive aggressive. And the perfect example of it is here's
last night, all this hype. They put all this into
Bronni's development, and he's all right, he's not tear Like, please,
don't let anybody tell you. Gollyp said he's terrible, is not.
(23:01):
But dude, anybody who's played in the league, there's just
a different sort of swagger, different sort of look, different
sort of control on the game. They just look feel
everything is different than everybody else. So when's my ted
talk Dan Byer, what do you think does that? Do
you do you buy any of that that? It's not
it's not one thing. It's it's years of build up
(23:24):
to where finally they're like, you know what, you want
to be passive aggressive, we'll do the passive aggressive thing.
We pick up your player option. But we're not we're
not doing we're not holding meetings and like, what do
you want us to do? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I feel that the Lakers finally have control and they
can go into their file cabinet and bring out all
the things that they've kept under wraps or things that
they haven't spoken about, which you laid out there where
they said, well, this is the reason why.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And maybe they won't even do that.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Maybe they'll just take the high road and say, all right,
we've just decided to chart our few. You're in a
different direction with Luka Doncic and move on that way.
But none of that stuff in the past, I'm sure helps.
I also said before, I feel it's been a relationship
built on convenience and for all of that, I don't
(24:15):
think that the Lakers should deny that they had their
own reasons for allowing Lebron to do that. But yeah,
now it's a different time.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Evan tweets us and he says, guys, pat Benattar did
a song called I Am the Warrior. Patty smythe did
the Warrior two different songs, two different songs. So again,
I can you can you do me a favor, Sam
and find I Am the Warrior and then juxtapose it
(24:48):
with the Warrior and see if I have any sort
of Maybe I.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Was singing scandal like yes, you were like, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Daniel's version, don't they say I am the Worrior? Yes,
which was written first Google machine. Okay, this is.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Patty, Yes, this is Yep. No, what it says Dennis
is yes, No, this is Jason. It says on there
pat Benattar. That's weird. Okay, I don't know who cares.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I gotta know. I have to know these things, like idiot, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Got to be in our system, right, No, he's.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Saying it's in our system.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But he was playing it there off his computer.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
We have we did have the Patty smythe song I
played that.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
But yes, by scandal in this system us the button bar? Yeah,
so our I just want to I just want to
lay this out here because we get on Sam a
lot for this. Do you think that I Heart Media,
with thousands of radio states across this country and including
top forty programs of Casey, Casem and other that I
run through this building, would have that song mislabeled?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Possible, No, it's impossible.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So whatever, Sam, whatever you played from your button bar,
which is a radio term that nobody realizes that means.
But that's how he would bring up the song and
play it. There's no way that's wrong in the system.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And I think that the YouTuber the YouTube post that
we just played, I think may have been like a
Doug Gottlieb disciple because.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Disciple on YouTube they missed, they mislabeled.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
They mislabeled at Pat Bennettar. Because if you look for
the actual song I Am the Warrior about Pat Benatar,
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I think the people confuse it. Our listener who tweeted
you is wrong. I think you were wrong, and then
I was wrong for playing a YouTube song that was
mislabeled Pat Benatar.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So there is no Pat Benatar song called The Warrior.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, I have to anyone in our system. It doesn't
have every big hit by Pat benatarn here, but it
has most of them, and I do not see anything
about the Warrior. So I think it is patty'smife. We
have settled this.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I believe I am wrong. Yeah, I think I'm I'm wrong. Okay,
here's the question, Dan, we don't know the answer to this.
How does it end between Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Well, I thought he was going to play out low
All the other teams throughout the season. He would be
a free agent next year and allow that frenzy to occur.
Then he would sign on for two years with that team,
a one on one deal, and then that next year
would be his final year. That's how I think it
ends up ending. The only thing that has moved me
off of that being one hundred percent to about ninety
(27:46):
eight percent is all of this Cleveland crap that's going on.
And by crap, I'm not blaming Cleveland, but I'm learning
to get golf. I'm wearing you know, the hats, the
whole deal that we've talked about for the last week,
all of that stuff said it last Sunday, like that's stuff.
Like now it's like Lebron is on overdrive. He tweeted
more since he announced that he was opting into his
contract than he did the entire month of June over
(28:08):
those five days.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, so Jay stew again, I know you, like I
want to get into the sports. There's not a sports discussion.
This is a how does it play out discussion? What
do you think happens?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It just seems to me that they're gonna find a
way to move him before the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I wonder if they get to the trade deadline. Okay,
here's a telltale sign of how bad it is. Is
Bronny with the big club to start the year next year?
Is he with the big club? Does he and does
he play as well? Like, if he plays early on
they're trying to pacify him, they have him around in
(28:48):
the regular season, then I don't. But if they're like,
you know, he's gonna do mostly G League this year,
keep developing, keep developing, keep developing, then I then yeah,
I think it could be done earlier rather than later.
And then the question is if somebody's gona pick him
up next year, are they gonna make him back draft Brice?
Is that gonna be part of the deal and take
(29:10):
Brownie with him?
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Been widely reported that the NCAA Tournament's gonna remain in
(29:42):
sixty eight teams for now. Both the men's and women's
basketball committees met this week to discuss expanding I love that. Hey, no, listen.
The women had a discussion about expanding the tournament two yes.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The The topic of in the field This is from
Dan Gavit, who runs the event in each championship, was
discussed at length, but no decision or recommendation was made.
Steal Bible outcomes include the determinans remaining sixty eight teams
or expanding the field to seventy two or seventy six
games in advance of the twenty six or twenty seven
championship seasons. So that's pretty good. It's really good, really good.
(30:30):
What what's really good that they're starting to kind of
show their cards. It's my belief that whatever they found
I hasn't give them total clarity as to what it's
actually worth. My guess is that there is not a
(30:54):
clause in there that opens up for renegotiation with any party.
So the NCAA signed a deal with CBS and Turner.
Turner pays eighty percent of it right now. Since then, recently,
Turner has has doubled down and they got way more
(31:16):
college sports than they ever used to. They got more
professional sports. Although they don't have the NBA. They don't
have the NBA, so not having the NBA, but they
still own and operate inside the NBA. Obviously they still
have the space there. Gonna be fascinating to see what
they do regarding the NCAA tournament in meaning, I would
(31:41):
guess that the wording doesn't say if you add games now,
Apple can bid, now, ESPN can bid, now, NBC can bid,
because if they did, then they absolutely would have added games.
They would have done it already because as much as
you know, you're only talking about adding two games or
(32:04):
four games. Right, Remember, if you're at sixty eight, you're
gonna go to seventy two. You're adding when you're adding
four teams, that's two games. If you add if you
go from sixty eight to seventy eight, seventy six, excuse me,
you're adding four games, that's it. How much are those
(32:27):
four games worth? Not a ton unless the whole package
is now potentially for sale. And again this is just
an educated guess that the only thing they can do
now is hey, they meet with a committee, like, ah, okay,
we all want more money. We all need more money.
But if we're going to continue to destroy the fabric
(32:48):
of this thing, which is the sixty four team bracket,
that's all anybody cares about. How much is that worth
to us? And does it trigger a reopening of the
negotiation for the TV deal. If it did, I believe
this would have been approved. I don't think it does.
Ryan Holland's going to join us. We'll ask him about
Summer League and about this Lebron James Luka Doncik passing
(33:12):
of the torch in l a story that Ramona Shelburne
and Brian Windhorse authored Stut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio.
Ryan Hollands joins us this weekly visit. He's our Fox
Sports Radio NBA analyst. We both played in Summer League.
You well, you've made the team. You made the league
for ten years. Not so much for your boy. Let's
(33:33):
start with Bronnie. What was your email on Lebron James Junior.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I thought he looked so much more comfortable on the floor.
I think for Bronni, he's going to be a reliable,
reliable role player. I think he'll be a long time pro.
But it's just the biggest thing you can tell, so
a lot of the nerves from last year, and I
mean for the fiftieth pick, and obviously the being the
Brons on the heights is always going.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
To be there.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
But I thought he'd looked good out there. I thought
he looked confident and you know, you can see his
body developing and growing even more.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I would agree with you in terms of his comfort, okay,
and his confidence, but I would I would tell you
that My thing would be and again, you played in
the league. I didn't. Usually guys that played in the
league when they come to play summer league, the expectations
are for them to be, if not the best, one
of the two or three best players of the court.
The NBA players look different than summer league dudes. Is
(34:27):
that fair?
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
And I don't think he met that test. Did he
look better, yes, more comfortable, yes, stronger, sure, But did
he look like that guy's playing in the league for
a year? He didn't fit that bill? Is that fair? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (34:45):
I mean, in again to each his own, you know,
in that in that situation, and I and here's the thing,
Like for Bronni's game, he's great playing off people, He's
a defender, obviously that's going to be had for himself
in his game. But he's gonna go into a summer
league game and he's not gonna, you know, just just
(35:06):
he's not gonna blow you away with things that he's
gonna do out there. And that doesn't mean that he
can't make a impact. And I think the biggest thing
he's gonna have to improve his spot up shooting, and
he's gonna have to be a dog defender. You know,
these are the things that we've been saying for a
long time in terms of Brownie. So I think that's
where you know, we're gonna see his ultimate impact at
the end of the day, and you know they were
(35:27):
the improvements are gonna have to be made for him.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Ryan Holins,
I guess okay, Now, same question regards to Cooper Flag,
what'd you think.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
I think Cooper is who I thought he was. I
think he's gonna be excellent on a team where he
can run the lane and finish and use his athleticism.
He's not a guy you throw the ball to and
you say get out, get out the way. And I
think if those people had those expectations of him. They're
going to be disappointed. But he's at a perfect place
(36:01):
in Dallas where he's gonna bring a lot of length
inside to their to their them being already pretty good defensively,
he's a good outside shooter, and I think if you
can defend, that means you can get out and transition. Doug,
but he's best right now in transition, and I think
that's where Cooper is gonna essentially flourish.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But with his.
Speaker 8 (36:21):
Intangibles, he's a great piece. And you know, when we
say role player, you a guy that can play on
the floor, Like that's not a shot to any guys.
Like a lot of guys can't play in the NBA
game and they can't, you know, kind of fill a position.
I don't think there's gonna be an issue with.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Cooper stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
don't know if you read the article earlier today, but
Ramona Shelburne, I know, you know well, uh and Brian Windhorse, Uh.
They co author to piece that said, Hey, basically, the
Lakers have gone from Lebron involved in any decision to
Lebron no longer involved in every and any decisions, what
(37:00):
your thoughts on the transition the Lakers are making.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Well, you got to understand, you know, this is part
of having new ownership. And I think the last we talked, Hey,
those are things that you gotta you know, you're gonna
have to figure out. And you know, I thought it
was pretty obvious in Lebron's you know actions, whether that
was you know, told to him or not, or how
it was or wasn't conveyed, that he was gonna he's
looking to make a power play, like saying, Hey, you
(37:25):
know I don't have to be here. Let's see how
you value me, you know, how this thing is going
to work without me at the end of the day.
So that's what I read, and I think either there's
accuracy to that statement or you know, he's going to
test the waters and kind of find out where he lands.
But I definitely, I definitely believe in that. I think
(37:45):
I think that's what's going on, and you know Lebron
is smart enough to know that, and you know, you
see him being, you know, in a sense proactive. Hey,
I'll go play somewhere else. So you're gonna have to
make a choice and say, oh no, no, no, no,
don't go play no nowhere else. You're good here. You're
our guy, for good or not. But you know he's
in the position again. He's smart enough to force their
hand in a new ownership position.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Ryan Hollins
is our guest. You can hear him on Fox Sports
Tradio acts to see him if you watch Houston Rockets games. Okay,
Oklahoma City now they're big three? Is all locked up?
If you were running that place, is that what you
would have done?
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Yeah, you got to keep him happy. And one of
the biggest things that they've also shown is that they
are ops in the league and player development. So they
showed you the guys they can't recreate. They feel like
the rest of those guys are essentially interchangeable. We can
bring in Wiggins or Isaiah Joe and we can make
another one. You know, we feel like we have faith
(38:47):
enough in the system. But as far as those three,
you know, Jalen Williams and Shay and Chet, those are
the pieces that are not interchangeable. And that's what they
you know, they kind of let you you know, and
you know, for what they've done, they won the championship.
I always believe that you reward the champ you know,
even if it may set you back, even it may
hurt you a little bit moving forward. You take care
(39:10):
of those guys and you know, hopefully you can have
a San Antonio like build where you keep them there
long term and guys are comfortable and they trust you
enough as an organization and does forgimiving me if I'm wrong,
I think Okac is probably the closest. I think the
Warriors have been the Spurs of our generation, but okay
See has a chance to be the next generation Spurs
(39:33):
if they can keep that core intact and have kind
of like that family us against the world type mentality.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, no, I think. I mean, obviously, you know you
have Sam Presti came from the Spurs. They're trying to
be built like the Spurs, and you know, the Spurs
had had a big three or four they built around
for years and they were just very fortunate for the
most part, those guys didn't get hurt. I mean, I
think that would be my biggest cause for concern would
be Chet. You know, he's play like a year and
(40:00):
a half. He was hurt the first year and then
he played eighty two and then he was hurt this year.
Do I think his jump shot develops? Yes? Do I
think he's still a good room protector, Sure, But injuries
I think are the biggest issue with that one.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
No, No, You're You're spot on. And you know, it's
even intriguing, intriguing when you look at Chet because he's
got such a unique bial with his size and his
skill set is just off the charts. You don't see
the guys that big. I think he's even an answer too, almost,
you know, taller than I am, and I'm a legit
seven feet but you don't see those guys being able
to move like that. And the question, you know, with
(40:38):
the Chet is like, hey, do we put weight on
him or do we just get him stronger? Do we
just kind of injury prevention maintenance him? But at the
end of the day, I've always said this, Shay's really
darn good, like historically good. But for them to win,
that's got to be good. And you know, when Chet
becomes good, that's that's where the league really gets in trouble,
(41:01):
and even more so, where he can guard his physician
and the and the fives on the floor because if
you can hold his weight on at five, you're you're
not matching up with okay. See, so he's he's the key.
So I agree with the investment into him, and you
got to assume they have the medical records and they
felt comfortable what they've seen from him.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
And with his age.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Do you like what's your reaction to the Mike Brown
hire with the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
I thought Mike Brown did an unbelievable job in Sacramento
and it's not the sexiest pick. I'm sorry they didn't
go and you know, get get you know, one of
the name guys that they originally wanted to poach from
another team or you know, you know, like Jay Wright
or somebody like that. But Mike Brown is a darn
good coach and I worked with him and I thought
he did a heck of a job in Sacramento, and
(41:49):
I think he's gonna, you know, New York setting themselves
up with Mike Brown to you know, come back and
roll and have a strong level of success. So I
thought there was a great move by them, and you know,
I think that works out at the India end of
the day. And you know, Doug, you can almost see
it unfolding with everybody getting hurt, Like, hey, New York
is right there, if not somewhat favored in this deal.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, I it's interesting. I knew you couldn't replace Tibbs
with anyone who hadn't been to the conference finals or beyond.
So he fits that. Bill. He's coached in the NBA.
He's coached superstars in the NBA. It's like, what were
our expectations? Were we expecting Red Arbak to be the guiter?
(42:33):
Like I don't really know what people what?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
What people what people thought?
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right? I like, well Bill Jackson, Oh, Bill Jackson's not
the coach, but then I don't like him. Like again,
like this, that's not enough options out there when they
reached out and other guys are in a contract. Right,
you're the best man, Joy Summer League. Let's talk soon, okay,
h Doug, it's the Doug Outleb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Who got a good amount to get to here?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Good amount? Good amount that we've gotten through, Still some
to work for. It's here on a Friday on the
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Speaker 2 (43:29):
Umber throwing and a breaking off line the right center
base head.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
There's Rooker the second off with the Wallas Harris around third.
The play to the plate is not nearly in time,
and Soners some walks it off for the A's starring
Rooker from second base and the Athletics and the eleventh
inning come back and they win the series.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
How many people know that the A's are the Athletics?
I mean, I know we all do, right, Buyer, you
just gave me a look, I'm senior.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I would say, like eighty five percent. Think I think
it's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's as high
as you think. I think Oaklan age, Like what are
the oakle A's for? Like, I don't know, it's just
the A's. They have a big A gain you and
I do. I do because when I was I think
I was nine, I played on the A's. Uh, Jay Su,
what do you think percentages? Just getting your your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Yeah, I would say, hi, at least three quarters, Sam,
I do think that the Weed I think this show leads,
weads the league, leads the country. And trying to guess
what regular people think. Yeah, and it's always couched by
I know we know it because we were in sports,
But what are regular people?
Speaker 4 (44:45):
I think a lot few, a lot more people don't
know that the Knicks are the Knickerbockers.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
If that's like a parallel, it is.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It is a parallel. It's a good parallel. What are
the other ones that are shortened? Trying to think Oaklan,
the A's.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't think there's an exhausting lists Terrapins.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, yeah, uh do we know that the Knicks fighting
Irish fighting a line?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I I don't think that there's there's many, Sam, did
you know?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I'm like, again, Sam, you knew it is the athletics idea.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I think it's seventy or higher with now.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
I just again, I'm I don't know this to be
real stats, But I felt like there's a lot of
people that for a long time had no idea that
the Brewers, for example, in the National League, or that
the Astros in the American League like that took a
long time to really resonate with people, and as baseball is,
(45:50):
the A's used to be kind of a like a phenomenon. Right.
They had Charlie Finley as her owner. They had a
lot of cool hip stuff. Then they went from you know,
Reggie Jack to Ricky Henderson to the Bash brothers uh
And and Eckersley, and then they kind of became the
lapping stop of major League Baseball after Moneyball. I just
(46:10):
I don't know how many people go, like, what does
A stand for? Like the Oakland A's.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
I'll tell you this little known fact you may not
know about me. I was an Astros fan when I
was a kid. I like the Houston Astros, Glenn Davis.
Then he got Delta the Orioles in a deal involving
Kurt Shilling, Pete Harness, and Steve Finley. It was all
about the Killer Bees and Bagwell and Bigio. I remember
when Randy Johnson got traded there in ninety eight and
(46:35):
then they then the Brewers jumped to the National League and.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's I'm sorry, and so right then it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, sorry, I was just you was talking to Killer
Bees and it just the Bees made me have allergies.
I just steroids. Sorry, sorry about that. I just gotta
my sneeze usually comes in three, so just just be
wary of it. You're an Astros fan, huh.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I like the old ass was Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
They used to have broke their hearts in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Sure do you remember, like the old Astro's uniforms, like
with that whatever, the different colors, like almost the color
of the sunset across the front. Yeah, I don't know
what that. Yeah, I again my only memories of pre
killer bees garroids.
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
But in Houston is who wasn't?
Speaker 7 (47:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Who was? I mean?
Speaker 4 (47:23):
In Bizio bigioside think the story was great, starting out
as a catcher, moving positions to elongate his career.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Becomes Hall of Famer, remarkable, unbelievable. But before that era
of Astros, it was all Nolan Ryan, no hit or highlights. Right,
That's the only time, if you grew up in California,
the only time you would ever think, breathe anything about
the Astros was like Nolan Ryan. And then you know
(47:52):
was the Astrodome, which was again Astronome was honestly made
most famous to our generation bad news bears, Right, didn't
they play in the astrodome? Was that the second pass
Newsparis Once they played in the astronaut training. That was
before they went to Japan. Japan at some point they
went to as well.
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