July 12, 2025 • 46 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug gives his evaluation of Cooper Flagg's summer league debut.
In this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated most from the sports weekend was.
Doug addresses the pettiness of the decision makers within the WNBA as Angel Reese makes the cover of the NBA2K game.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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having a great day. The Dog Gottlieb Show broadcast live
every single day, and my man Dan byers alongside, so
too is Jay stew Iowa Sam. We got the whole
crew today and we got a good show. Ryan Hollins
will join us as tour Of course, Ryan played in
the league for a decade. He's the Rockets color analysts
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and he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
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So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
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is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
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They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually, Like, I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates FIA WhatsApp and they
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send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio, sometimes that has full game.
Says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green
Bay now. Sometimes it's because the financial ask is just
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completely out of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't
as tall as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you
really can't get him into the United States with his
contract and he's really a pro, and they're just kind
of messing with it. But oftentimes it's because the highlight
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tapes max the actual game. And I'm watching last night
and I have a couple of takeaways on both Ronnie
James and on Cooper Flag. But I think the biggest
takeaway will be if you didn't watch that game. And
by the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys.
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You guys have lives as well, and it's not like
it was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I did not. Jason, I did, yep?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, Dan, I did, okay? Sam. What is your perception
of each of the players of first Bronnie and then
of Cooper Flag and how they.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Played, you mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do own a phone. There are people
that again, without having watched, I'm sure you saw some highlights.
You are on social media. We text each other about
tweets all the time. What is your perception on how
they both played.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball, and so
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if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough the
in the low post. Offensively, There's one highlight of him
where he at the end. It's called a foul on
Cooper Flag. He was trying to back him down. And
Cooper Flagg he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now,
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Dan let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played?
How'd you think Brownie played?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I thought the whole thing was a mess. I thought
that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for, but
the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like chaos. It's a bunch of players that haven't
played together, I'm guessing, and it looks like it. It's
it's kind of like it's either like a middle school
game or a WNBA game or both that it was
just it's hard to watch outside of those two guys
that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eighteen year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going to be a dude. Whereas Bronnie James
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looked like Okay, in comparison to last year, he'd improved.
Last year, he ran from the ball, last year he
was not particularly good defensively, and last year he looked tiny.
This year still doesn't look big, a little look stronger,
looked like he knew kind of what to do and
where to go, but was just kind of a guy.
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Like if you didn't know he was Bronnie James, you
wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You wouldn't say, like,
who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think you would say, boy,
that kid must think he's really really good because he
takes a lot of shots. But part of it is
you're never going to get to that place of being
a dominant player unless you act and try and play
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like a dominant player. Am I making sense? Dan?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
were especially in the first half orrow about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Look like yeah that that at some point that will work. Yes,
And that's really that's really what your rookie year, high
draft pick summer league is about. Right. It's it's like
in golf, when you're not particularly good at golf, or
maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good. I mean, Dan,
you could be more to the judge of where you're not.
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It's not about what your round is, right, It's gonna
be bad, right, It's a little bit about the final score,
but it's a lot about those one or two shots
that keep you coming back. You know, yes, remember that
drive on eleven. Now I'm coming back. And if you're
playing with a guy who's not very good and he
hits a drive on eleven, like, you know, if he
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works on it, you know he played a little bit
more golf, he can be a decent player.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're you know, shooting decent scores for us.
And you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
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at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five, but he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
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And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie stinks. He
doesn't stink. He's not bad at basketball. He's just not
a rotational NBA player. He's not He shouldn't be one
of the four hundred and fifty best players in the
world because if he was, after a year of being
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in the NBA and the G League, he should have
far more control over what's going on the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
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City and they have the topic kid topicch Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
he'd looked like he'd been around the course before. Bronni
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had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g league, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
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but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Going next to the Dug.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Got I'm sorry, h Could I continue the analogy here
of the golf as you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm
sure Dan's familiar with this guy. You know, you get
paired with somebody in a foursome the strangers, and then
like midway through the round, the guy will turn you
and be like, man, I never played this bad. And
that happens in poker too, Like you'll be playing on
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a table and some guy like man, I never played
this bad, and you're like, you know, I I've seen
the way you play, you know, I saw your swing.
You're probably bad all the time. And I think that's
what Doug is getting to. And it reminded me when
Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview after the game.
It kind of reminded me of that Cooper Flag was
telling the world, Man, I never played this bat not up.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
To my standard.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But I'm gonna regroup, be all right.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know, it's a new feeling, new environment, new teammates.
But you know, the guys shunted down, you know, Miles Ryan,
they were amazing tonight. Max Oh and they were great tonight.
So you know, just you know, they had my back.
You know, I didn't have my best game, but I'm
gonna just keep going going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it.
Like good guy, Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so it was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like, what are we doing here?
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This is not why this game is on ESPN right now,
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in, But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity,
and Dog, I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to
the point I even said this earlier this week on
your show when I was in for you and you
were in for the herd is. At some point we
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got to get past Bronnie, and I felt last night
Bronnie understood the assignment at the end of the game.
He's the one we wanted to see take that shot.
Granted it was a brick from twenty five feet out
with a guy in his face, but at least he
understood the assignment last night. You know, at some point,
I think we just kind of got to get passed,
like his name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, he there were times in which he really
pressured the ball at the point guard spot really well,
but then there are times in which he got exposed
as it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to
pressure guys and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
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and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it, you know, that's sort of
about it. And again I'm not judging on the scale
of could you survive? Right if this year? If his
performance last night was last year, I would have been
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more enthused. But dude, when you play a year in
the NBA and in the G League and you just
kind of melt in it just that's not enough in
comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless of name, size, position,
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that have been in the NBA for a year. That's
that's my feelings about it.
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but first let's get to our recap of the weekend.
Something we call love and hate.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
God?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Meet these player haters? Love love, love, hate, hate, hate,
strong words. We got a strong show. Let's go to
our good friend Jason Stewart. What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Jace Tuo, I'd love to go west, That's what I
would have loved to do.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, So let's go to Isaac Lowankahn, I love what'd
you love for the weekend?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
So the Friday counts fourth of July?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right? Sure?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Okay, it was really actually cool memory I mentioned this
on the Jonas' show, and he's got me wanted by
the cops now. But like a block away from our house,
there's this long road and people from outside the neighborhood
they set up shop on this long road and they
set off fireworks all night long on the Fourth of July.
(15:52):
So me and my kids it was like a fireworks parade.
We walked up and down and got to see like
pro level fireworks.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
My eight year old was.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Shouting fire in a hale and I have no idea
where you learn that. So it was kind of a
nice memory. So there we go. Okay, and buyers free
pizza on Friday, by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Too, Okay, let's go to Big Ryan Smith. Ryan, what
you got Well?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I do love the Fourth of July.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I love the fireworks, but I hate it when I'm
trying to sleep and the fireworks are going off. I
love the fact that that didn't happen. There weren't a
lot of fireworks going off, so I got peaceful sleep,
and that's what I loved over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Peaceful sleep. Very very nice that you love for the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
By the way, the three of us all live in
you know, southern California here, guys. When you woke up
on Saturday morning, like where I lived, it was all
like smoky and hazy, like all over Southern California was
like that for you on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Absolutely out in the burbs it was, and the fireworks
were going off the entire weekend. It was a three
day firework exhibit up in the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I kind of a diabolical what I liked. Did you
see the video? There's some rapper I've never heard of
him blow off his hand anybody on social media?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
No, I hadn't heard about this? Was it this weekend?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, that's what I got to Four Extra You guys
ever heard of four Extra boy.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
That's a very ironic name. But okay, no, I so
google him, man boy.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
H Well, four Extra some rapper and he was holding
two M eights in his hand, and he's walking around
saying I'm gonna blow and he's dropped an N bomb
up right. Then there's a video of him blowing off
four of his fingers. Oh, man, I have not seen
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said video, but I'm gonna watch it because that's who
I am and listen. But again, my point is more like,
don't get me wrong, like when fireworks mistakenly go off,
or you know, if a fuse doesn't work, or you
know if you have all the safety precautions. But I
saw one where somebody gives a Roman candle to like
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a two year old who mistakenly goes and runs into
the house. This one with this dude four extra like
blowing off his hand when he talked about blowing other
people up, Like, hey, dude, sorry, but you did know
you were holding a quarter stick of dynamite in your hand.
That's what happens when you f around and find out
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east too. Like am I supposed to feel too much
sympathy when dudes threaten to blow other people up and
then they bliw their own hand off. I do not.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Sorry, Even Lamar Jackson weighed in with his sympathies, posting,
damn for extra y'all be said with them fireworks. Then
someone replied to that, don't play with fireworks. You're the
best running back we have, and Lamar replied, when I
started hearing about people's hands and faces being blowed off,
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I stopped that bra So even Lamar Jackson advocating for
fireworks safety, just like you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Uh yeah, love his on hand. Again, It's not because
I don't feel sympathy for somebody blowing out their own
hand it's the I'm walking around with twom Med. He's
talking about blowing up other people and then I bluff
my bone hand, Jay, ste what's you left on the weekend?
Oh man?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What not to have? The Astros came to town, and
I'll tell you what. On Friday Night did or Herscheizer
cause a stir so. For those that don't know the history,
the Astros cheated their way to a World Serious championship
in twenty seventeen, and the commissioner didn't hold any players accountable,
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no punishment, and when asked why you didn't vacate the
World Series championship from the Astro, the commissioner said some
mishmouth thing about slippery slopes. I don't know what is
worse than being caught cheating during a World Series in
which you won a championship in I don't know where
the slippery slope exists. But anyways, Dodger fans never forget
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what happened, and they never forgot that the Astros never
received any punishment. So on Friday Night or a Hersheiser,
much to his credit, God bless him, Bulldog on Friday Night,
I think it was Joe Davis. He said this on
the broadcast it hard the.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Deep center field Pat has on the round a turna
lats this one wedge itsself in the bottom of the
rod and Cam Smith flying into second, anchoring there with
another extra base it for the Astros. Double homer, double
Philip in third against Gasparios. I have a lot of
open hold room, but in some ways they're swinging at
these breaking balls like they know what it's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So earl, earl with a great line, and that went
viral and Astros Twitter really hated it. I retweeted hashtag
never forget, hashtag Houston Asterisks and got a crapload from
the Houston Astros of when are you guys going to
get over this? It's been eight years? How about this?
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If you guys are properly punished, we would probably be
over it by now. So I blame Manfred and I
blame Astros for having the lack of character to cheat.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
There you go, there you go. Okay, that's what we love.
Let's get to it. We hated over the weekend. Our
resident hater is none than Jason Stewart. Goes last than
love because he loves the least first. I hate because
he hates the most Chase two.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You hate to see the Astros sweep the Dodgers, ever,
but you definitely hated to see the Astros sweep the
Dodgers this past weekend at Dodger Stadium. And then I
will had a really good seat to see the final
game of that sweep, one in which the well one
holdover from the twenty seventeen squad, Jose al Tuv I
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went to boo him and heckle him personally, and he
launched a home run in the ninth inning. I think
was a direct response to my heckling. He was asked
after the game about this heckling from yours truly?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Is that what twenty seventh stamps for the number of
pitches you saw coming to the twenty seventeen postseason?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Huh? Is that what twenty seventh stamps for? Answer me?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He never answered me, but he did hit a home
run in the ninth inning the Astro swept. When he
was asked afterwards, he said it rattled him for a
little bit, but he gained his composure for his last
at bat.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That was terrible trash talk, too wordy. Nobody's catching all
those words?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is it because he's English second language? Sure? Do you
just think he was too wordy? Anyways?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I just thought it was too wordy. A short pointed
to the point like like again, I know the fan
got in trouble for it because he yelled at the
wrong du But like your mom is better than.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Is twenty seven the number of times you knew a
ball was coming to you back in the previous playoffs,
not last year or the year before or the year
before that, but back several years ago?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Is that the number? Dumb?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Should we send Jason to Robin Ficker for some h
for a consultation on proper heckling technique?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is that the old heckler from the Washington Capitals.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Washington Wizards when they were the Bullets.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But yes, sir, yeah, Washington Bullets. That's right. I used
to like re read things to Michael Jordan. It was
he was great.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah when the Jordan rules came out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. What what did I hate from the weekend?
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, I'm I hate the fact that people and listen,
I know what's gonna happen tonight. Okay. I live on
a lake, so it's really cool. On Fourth July you
look around the lake and there's just everywhere you can
go fireworks. But like, we've hit the point where it's over.
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It was a little bit over last night, now it's
really over. And I understand you may not have a dog,
you may not have little kids. I have a dog.
I have three. Actually one is definitely afraid of fireworks,
really uncomfortable. So for Fourth July we put them in
the room. We can surround them with blankets. You know,
it's all his favorite things. Try and get them away
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from the noise so he doesn't know it's happening, all
that stuff. But once you get past, like, hey, we're
a three day weekend, it's over. Stop blowing up the
damn fireworks. Okay, stop stop, it's over. Fourth of July
is over. Move on. I love. What do you got?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
But both sides of the coin. By the way, what
are the names of your dogs?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
We have Odell Beckham Junior Junior, we have Luca dog chicks,
and we have Vince Lombardi. Well first of five, well
he goes by Odi or Odell, Okay, then uh Luca
goes by Chomps, gos them chumps, and then uh vinceent
Lombardi goes by Barty Barty, Odie chumps.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
If you're keeping score at home. Within two minutes on
this broadcast, Doug has insulted me for being too wordy
and maybe too nuances.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
It was constructive, constructive feedback.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
More and then he gives the name of those dogs
that are far too nuanced and wordy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, no, no, listen, that's their full names. Okay. My
name is Douglas Mitchell Gottlieb. I go by Doug. Okay.
It calls me Doug or DG or Doug Gottlieb. Okay,
so it's not nuanced. He asked the names. I gave
him the names. Then I gave what we actually call them.
That's okay, you were too wordy. No one would argue otherwise,
Like Ryan, was that good trash talk from Jason Stewart
(26:05):
at live in a baseball game?
Speaker 8 (26:06):
No, it was pretty bad, right.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
I love that was a small sample size, but I
see ways that he could have been more effective.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Okay, So the point is that I'm your friend, and
I'm telling you it was bad. Do better. And I
have several other baseball friends who are like Jayceonu's really
heckling jose Al Tuve, he's such a fan there, he's
such a fan. I was like, yeah, he actually is.
He's a real fan, real fan.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
This is a sore subject. But during your first sideline
this past year, would would would you find Okay, we.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Were there, they're terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Were there any that you kind of chuckle to yourself
and say, no, that's that was pretty clever?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yes, there was so so most of them were really
most of you are terrible at it, like, don't do
a podcast, like that's not really trash talk, it's not
really past talk. But there was. There was a group
at Cleveland State and what happened was one of the
guys was got a little bit over the line where
(27:10):
he was talking to ask him where my daughter Harper's
where's Harper? Where's Harper? Bring harp right? So I went
in at halftime halftime, I walked over and I said, hey,
look man, okay, that's out of bounds. My daughter's out
of bounds. So mentor again, I'll have you escort out
of the arena, which is my right as a coach.
(27:32):
So we go back to the second half and they're like,
where's Gauge. What Gauge is my nephew, he's he was
a senior high school now he's going to GCU as
a manager Grand Canyon and he's like, is Gauge out
of bounds? I thought that was funny. I thought that
was funny. That was a quick adjustment by a Cleveland
State student. Most of them were terrible, though, every got
heckled every.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Game, So they're actually taking the time to do deep
Internet research.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Was kind of well group that group did. It's not
that deep, but that group did. Most groups is just like,
go back to your podcast or your radio show sucks too, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
By the way, that's cool about Gage. Grand Canyon is
a great, great environment there, you go, great arena down there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's gonna work for Bryce. Uh, Bryce true a riot Smith.
You know what, I really fuck.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Going to a podcast. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm sorry, it's not.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Meaning's just funny.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I was like, it's it's so random, go to a podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Welcome to a podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I hated the fact that I had to relive the
Astros beating the Dodgers in that World Series, that Game
seven when the Dodgers lost. That was my birthday. I
was that crushed me and I and this weekend when
we got swept by them. I really hated that so
that would that's what really take me off for the weekend,
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and that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Is love and hate. Jay Stu, Jay Stu, you know
you know why that segment went so much quicker.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Let's see we have Ryan and I lo one here.
Sam's out. Yeah, that's we know our reason right that
last part. Yep, we love Sam. But if you think
that your trash talk was wordy, I give you Iowa, Sam,
We're making a point.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's been word He doesn't quite know where the stops
on is. You know that is the over aggressive runner
who goes right through the stops on.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He reminds me of was it plane trains and automobiles
where John Candy's driving the wrong way down the road
and uh, some guy pulls. He pulls up alongside somebody
and Gay goes, you're going the wrong way, and he goes,
you want to race? He reminds me of you want
to race?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
I was today years old that I learned, right, You
learn lots of things. It's weird as you get older.
Right now, I coach college kids. I'm a head coach
of Wisconsin Green Bay and it again. I have a
really good group of young men that want to learn,
want to get better at basketball. We try and teach
(30:30):
them about life a little bit. And you know, college
is just in a weird sort of phase where so
many schools because of COVID went online, and then you
factor in chat, GPT and everything else. How much are
kids actually learning? But the biggest difference between a kid
(30:53):
in an adult, I think there's two or three things, right, Like,
you know you're an adult when you know ever turned
down a nap. It never turned down a nap. I mean,
ask tuy and and even Ryan who doesn't have kids.
If you go like, hey, man, two o'clock, what if
I if I give you like an hour to shut
(31:15):
off your phone and take a nap, there isn't an
adult live that'll be like down for that. A kid
you say, hey, take a nap. You know, after you
get to like two years old, you're done with naps. Adults, well, adults,
they will order vegetables or order salads, you know, or
actually ask for them for dinner. Most kids like, what
(31:39):
why you have to make them eat vegetables? Make them
eat legomes, make them eat eat fruits. Right, that's the
difference in adults. And the other thing about adults as
opposed to kids is, I don't know if you're like
this when you do the whole you know, you help
your kid with their homework, But man, you get to
a certain age and you're like, man, I kind of
(32:01):
like learning. Maybe it was how we were taught, Maybe
it was the teachers, maybe it was our desire to
do other things. But I remember being in school and
I just could not wait for every day to be over,
as opposed to now, Damn, I love learning things. I
just do. Sunday I learned that a handball in soccer
(32:25):
was not just simply the ball touching a non goalkeeper's hand.
I literally Monday, I walked in and I was like, man,
I didn't know that the ball could graze your hand,
and if it was in the natural motion of whatever
you were doing as a as an athlete in soccer,
(32:47):
it didn't mean it was a handball. I don't know
did anybody know that. I mean, I'm sure like soccer
guys like, yeah, you're dope. Hey, I played soccer growing up.
I don't remember any of that stuff. I just remember
the tunnel, I remember caprice on, I remember scoring goals.
I you know, I don't remember any of that. So
(33:08):
I love learning, and I'll tell you something I learned today. Okay,
there was a playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds,
mostly seventeen hundreds. His name was William Congrieve. You're like,
why are you telling me about a playwright, because he's
the one who authored up the phrase, hell hath no
(33:31):
fury like a woman's scorn, Hell hath no fury like
a woman's scorn. Have you ever heard that? If you
haven't heard that, when I bet, he also said you
must not kiss and tell, so kiss and tell, and
hell hath no worries, hell hath no wrath like a
scorned woman. That's that we changed the words that change
(33:53):
the order of it. We hell hath no furry like
a woman's scorn. That was William Congreve, who is a
famous playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. I was
born in sixteen seventy died in seventeen twenty nine, And like,
(34:15):
why are you starting out with that? Saying, well, I'll
tell you I also learned that apparently there's not a
true standalone version of it, but a video game within
a video game for EA Sports. So EA Sports has
two K? Or is it? EA Sports has two K?
You're familiar with two K okay, so apparently there's also
(34:39):
a WNBA version of two K. And I get it right,
Like what is two K? If you take away all
the dunks and the made layups and three points and
the high percentage of made three point shots, and you
have WNBA. But there is no denying the WNBA's sudden
rise in popularity, and for those of us who are
(35:03):
honest with ourselves, it's because of Kaitlin Clark. And you know,
we can get into the reasons why I love the
people that fall on the race aspect of it, when
then you point out, like, hey, Sabrina in Sq and
Kelsey Plumb were great women's college basketball players who came
(35:23):
to the league had have been great WNBA players, and
they have not received any amount of the acclaim of
a Caitlin Clark. There's a bunch of different factors, mostly
likely the logo threes, the hey we love Steph Curry
And here's the closest version of it, who happened to
(35:43):
play the same school for four years, happen, to take
her to a team to two straight final fours, happened.
Looks like everybody else's little sister. All of those things
she kind of nails. But upon my quest to learn
something every day, I found out that there's an NBA
(36:03):
two K version focusing on the WNBA. But here's the kicker.
The cover choice was Angel Rees. Was Angel Rees. And
it just continues this pattern of the WNBA doing everything
in their power to I don't know if it's diminished
(36:28):
Caitlin Clark or to promote everybody other than Kaitlin Clark,
but whatever it is, we try and search for reasons,
and I keep falling back on hell. Hath no wrath,
like a woman scorned William Cornelius in the late sixteen hundreds,
and like, wait a second, why are they scored? Caitlin
(36:52):
Clark said nothing negative towards any of these women. She
doesn't have to. The only logical conclusion as to why
so many of these women have done everything in their
power to marginalize, horise to fame and what it's done
for the entire sport of women's basketball is that you
(37:13):
have women that feel like they've been scorned by media,
by mainstream fans for their entire lives, and it it
comes out as anger and resentment towards Caitlin Clark. Does
(37:34):
that make sense? There's something called the Have you ever
heard the anger Iceberg? If you go through therapy, people
tell you it's you learn the anger Iceberg That people
are angry and they get snappy with one of the
other in like relationships, and it's not about that one thing.
It's about all this other thing, all the insecurities, all
the mistrust, all the times of other relationships that have
(37:56):
gone bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, And it
comes out as snappyiness towards one another. And any relationship
you have, even in business, you pocket resentment towards somebody
else getting in promotion, somebody else getting shine, You not
feeling like you're heard in a meeting, you having a
(38:18):
bad interaction with somebody at a Christmas party, whatever. For
these women, Okay, remember I see it as most of
us see it. I'm Doug Gottlieben for Collin. This is
the herd twenty five years of the WNBA. I'm not
as negative about their overall talent and skill as others are.
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It's a different sport. Our expectations are different. We don't
have the one hundred years of history in the NBA,
and we just don't if you take away the NBA
with the dunks and the proficiency from three point line.
You know, and the other part about NBA players is
they look like superheroes, whereas many of those women. Though
(39:05):
for women, crazy athletic, crazy talented, there just is no comparison.
When you watch one game to the other, it's like
watching one in slow motion and one that plays below
the rim, and below the rim causes more mislayups and
it's again just a different, much less athletic game. And
for twenty five years, we didn't pay attention to it
(39:26):
in sports media and I've been a part of sports
media for twenty five years. We didn't pay attention to
it because nobody did the science to this is not
that hard to figure out, Cullen. This is me doing
the Colin thing. Cullen, you only want to talk about
(39:48):
Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and Edon Rodgers and Lebron James. Yeah,
because we're no different than top forty radio man play
the hits. Our job is to talk about what most
people care about. And we have twenty five years of
data that tells you most people don't care about the WNBA.
(40:09):
And the only reason we're talking about it now is
because Caitlin Clark has brought attention and people are in
fact talking about the WNBA now. So now we're going
to be attractive talking more about it. But when you're
raised as a women's basketball player, you're raised to believe
(40:29):
everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to get you. Look,
I don't know if you recall, but if you go
back to the COVID year NCAA tournament, they had women
who were in San Antonio and they had a little
(40:52):
makeshift weight room and it was like, you know, two
dumbbells and you know, and a balance ball. And then
they showed the men's weight room in Indianapolis and it
looked like it we're a weight room. And what happens is,
you know, the the NCAA like apologize for it. It
(41:12):
acts like this was this was discrediting all of women's basketball.
When reality is one, it comes down to the planning committee,
that's what they have to do. Two, the men's teams,
I believe all of them were there for like a month,
so they had to prep for it, and they had
the big ten tournament there, so they had all this
had all been kind of planned out, whereas for San
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Antonio it was just a one stop shop and they
threw it together. And anybody who's ever traveled though knows
that like, it doesn't matter the hotel chain. You can
be a Hyatt guy, right or a Bonvoy guy, and
and some hotels have a rinky dink weight room and
some hotels don't. It doesn't have anything to do with
anything other than that particular hotel, that particular gentle manager
(41:55):
and what they think they want to focus their resources on.
But the point is that that case is no different
than anything else. Why do women have home sites during
the NCAA tournament instead of the regional sites that the
men have. Well, again, anyone who's realistic in business knows
that the reason they went back to home sites is
(42:16):
that's their only ability to draw people and to sell tickets.
They've played in the big arenas, it hasn't worked, by
and large. Trust me, if the NCAAFL like they could
make more money doing it, they would do it because
it's the only way in which they make money is
the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. But again, how
you and I view it from a business perspective, which
(42:39):
is very much in the neutral kind of corner, is hey,
they're doing it because it makes the most sense financially.
How women view it is, oh, we're a secondary tournament.
We have to play in home sites. Right, So it
doesn't matter necessarily what the reality of women's basketball was
(43:01):
over the last twenty five years, right that you started
from nothing and built it into something that was fairly sustainable. Again,
those of us who lived it in real time, as
I have, like my media career, has mirrored essentially the
length of the WNBA. You went from being completely subsidized
by the NBA playing in these gargantuan arenas to hey,
(43:22):
let's dial this back, play in smaller venues, be smarter, Okay,
save more money, fly commercial space out the games, et cetera,
et cetera. But how it's received is we've been treated
like crap for years, and now you're trying to push
this star who she might be another Jeremy Lynn Lin
(43:43):
sanity and we're not buying it. So when I saw
that quote today, I just and then I saw that
the two K version of NBA two had Angel Rees,
not Caitlin Clark, on the cover. Right, Because again, whether
(44:07):
or not you're buying or I'm buying a WNBA two
K game doesn't matter. Right, everything would be boosted up
if you put Caitlin Clark on. It probably cost you know,
the gaming company more to put her on the cover.
But the WNBA forcing us to to take on Angel
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Reese as some sort of rival to Caitlin Clark, forcing it,
forcing it, forcing it makes it feel icky when as
or as it's super easy here, just put Caitlin Clark
on everything. It'll sell more, it'll be the rising tide
that lifts all ships. But from the Olympic team last year,
to the players only voting where they voted her the
(44:52):
ninth best guard, to putting Angel Rees on NBA two K,
to all the bitterness and pushback and the treatment of
Caitlin Clark where they're clearly trying to punk her and
bully her and her teammates, and to making and look bad.
All of that stuff leads most of us to go,
(45:15):
why would you do that? Why wouldn't you embrace the
fact that people are paying attention to your sport, covering
it like it's one of the big three sports. Probably
got more coverage in the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. And
the only logical conclusion I can come to is hell
hath no wrath like as a woman scored all the
(45:37):
years of being made to feel like you're a secondary
or tertiary product, and probably even tertiary is not as
strong as they were leads women to push back against
anything seen as mainstream media and fans. Oh now you
like us, but only for her? Well put to you too,
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having a great day. The Dog Gottlieb Show broadcast live
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and he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
(01:08):
So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
(01:29):
is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
(01:52):
They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually, Like, I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates FIA WhatsApp and they
(02:15):
send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio, sometimes that has full game.
Says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green
Bay now. Sometimes it's because the financial ask is just
(02:37):
completely out of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't
as tall as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you
really can't get him into the United States with his
contract and he's really a pro, and they're just kind
of messing with it. But oftentimes it's because the highlight
(02:58):
tapes max the actual game. And I'm watching last night
and I have a couple of takeaways on both Ronnie
James and on Cooper Flag. But I think the biggest
takeaway will be if you didn't watch that game. And
by the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys.
(03:18):
You guys have lives as well, and it's not like
it was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I did not. Jason, I did, yep?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, Dan, I did, okay? Sam. What is your perception
of each of the players of first Bronnie and then
of Cooper Flag and how they.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Played, you mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do own a phone. There are people
that again, without having watched, I'm sure you saw some highlights.
You are on social media. We text each other about
tweets all the time. What is your perception on how
they both played.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball, and so
(04:44):
if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough the
in the low post. Offensively, There's one highlight of him
where he at the end. It's called a foul on
Cooper Flag. He was trying to back him down. And
Cooper Flagg he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now,
(05:07):
Dan let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played?
How'd you think Brownie played?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I thought the whole thing was a mess. I thought
that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for, but
the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's like chaos. It's a bunch of players that haven't
played together, I'm guessing, and it looks like it. It's
it's kind of like it's either like a middle school
game or a WNBA game or both that it was
just it's hard to watch outside of those two guys
that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eighteen year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going to be a dude. Whereas Bronnie James
(06:08):
looked like Okay, in comparison to last year, he'd improved.
Last year, he ran from the ball, last year he
was not particularly good defensively, and last year he looked tiny.
This year still doesn't look big, a little look stronger,
looked like he knew kind of what to do and
where to go, but was just kind of a guy.
(06:30):
Like if you didn't know he was Bronnie James, you
wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You wouldn't say, like,
who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think you would say, boy,
that kid must think he's really really good because he
takes a lot of shots. But part of it is
you're never going to get to that place of being
a dominant player unless you act and try and play
(06:53):
like a dominant player. Am I making sense? Dan?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
were especially in the first half orrow about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Look like yeah that that at some point that will work. Yes,
And that's really that's really what your rookie year, high
draft pick summer league is about. Right. It's it's like
in golf, when you're not particularly good at golf, or
maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good. I mean, Dan,
you could be more to the judge of where you're not.
(07:31):
It's not about what your round is, right, It's gonna
be bad, right, It's a little bit about the final score,
but it's a lot about those one or two shots
that keep you coming back. You know, yes, remember that
drive on eleven. Now I'm coming back. And if you're
playing with a guy who's not very good and he
hits a drive on eleven, like, you know, if he
(07:51):
works on it, you know he played a little bit
more golf, he can be a decent player.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're you know, shooting decent scores for us.
And you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
(08:20):
at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five, but he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
(08:54):
And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie stinks. He
doesn't stink. He's not bad at basketball. He's just not
a rotational NBA player. He's not He shouldn't be one
of the four hundred and fifty best players in the
world because if he was, after a year of being
(09:17):
in the NBA and the G League, he should have
far more control over what's going on the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
(09:38):
City and they have the topic kid topicch Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
he'd looked like he'd been around the course before. Bronni
(09:59):
had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g league, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
(10:22):
but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Going next to the Dug.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Got I'm sorry, h Could I continue the analogy here
of the golf as you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm
sure Dan's familiar with this guy. You know, you get
paired with somebody in a foursome the strangers, and then
like midway through the round, the guy will turn you
and be like, man, I never played this bad. And
that happens in poker too, Like you'll be playing on
(10:55):
a table and some guy like man, I never played
this bad, and you're like, you know, I I've seen
the way you play, you know, I saw your swing.
You're probably bad all the time. And I think that's
what Doug is getting to. And it reminded me when
Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview after the game.
It kind of reminded me of that Cooper Flag was
telling the world, Man, I never played this bat not up.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
To my standard.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But I'm gonna regroup, be all right.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know, it's a new feeling, new environment, new teammates.
But you know, the guys shunted down, you know, Miles Ryan,
they were amazing tonight. Max Oh and they were great tonight.
So you know, just you know, they had my back.
You know, I didn't have my best game, but I'm
gonna just keep going going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it.
Like good guy, Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so it was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like, what are we doing here?
(12:06):
This is not why this game is on ESPN right now,
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in, But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity,
and Dog, I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to
the point I even said this earlier this week on
your show when I was in for you and you
were in for the herd is. At some point we
(12:28):
got to get past Bronnie, and I felt last night
Bronnie understood the assignment at the end of the game.
He's the one we wanted to see take that shot.
Granted it was a brick from twenty five feet out
with a guy in his face, but at least he
understood the assignment last night. You know, at some point,
I think we just kind of got to get passed,
like his name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, he there were times in which he really
pressured the ball at the point guard spot really well,
but then there are times in which he got exposed
as it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to
pressure guys and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
(13:12):
and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it, you know, that's sort of
about it. And again I'm not judging on the scale
of could you survive? Right if this year? If his
performance last night was last year, I would have been
(13:34):
more enthused. But dude, when you play a year in
the NBA and in the G League and you just
kind of melt in it just that's not enough in
comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless of name, size, position,
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that have been in the NBA for a year. That's
that's my feelings about it.
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time that he got changed. All right, we'll get to that,
but first let's get to our recap of the weekend.
Something we call love and hate.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
God?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Meet these player haters? Love love, love, hate, hate, hate,
strong words. We got a strong show. Let's go to
our good friend Jason Stewart. What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Jace Tuo, I'd love to go west, That's what I
would have loved to do.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, So let's go to Isaac Lowankahn, I love what'd
you love for the weekend?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
So the Friday counts fourth of July?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right? Sure?
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Okay, it was really actually cool memory I mentioned this
on the Jonas' show, and he's got me wanted by
the cops now. But like a block away from our house,
there's this long road and people from outside the neighborhood
they set up shop on this long road and they
set off fireworks all night long on the Fourth of July.
(15:52):
So me and my kids it was like a fireworks parade.
We walked up and down and got to see like
pro level fireworks.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
My eight year old was.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
Shouting fire in a hale and I have no idea
where you learn that. So it was kind of a
nice memory. So there we go. Okay, and buyers free
pizza on Friday, by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Too, Okay, let's go to Big Ryan Smith. Ryan, what
you got Well?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I do love the Fourth of July.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
I love the fireworks, but I hate it when I'm
trying to sleep and the fireworks are going off. I
love the fact that that didn't happen. There weren't a
lot of fireworks going off, so I got peaceful sleep,
and that's what I loved over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Peaceful sleep. Very very nice that you love for the weekend.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
By the way, the three of us all live in
you know, southern California here, guys. When you woke up
on Saturday morning, like where I lived, it was all
like smoky and hazy, like all over Southern California was
like that for you on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Absolutely out in the burbs it was, and the fireworks
were going off the entire weekend. It was a three
day firework exhibit up in the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I kind of a diabolical what I liked. Did you
see the video? There's some rapper I've never heard of
him blow off his hand anybody on social media?
Speaker 7 (17:18):
No, I hadn't heard about this? Was it this weekend?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, that's what I got to Four Extra You guys
ever heard of four Extra boy.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
That's a very ironic name. But okay, no, I so
google him, man boy.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
H Well, four Extra some rapper and he was holding
two M eights in his hand, and he's walking around
saying I'm gonna blow and he's dropped an N bomb
up right. Then there's a video of him blowing off
four of his fingers. Oh, man, I have not seen
(17:58):
said video, but I'm gonna watch it because that's who
I am and listen. But again, my point is more like,
don't get me wrong, like when fireworks mistakenly go off,
or you know, if a fuse doesn't work, or you
know if you have all the safety precautions. But I
saw one where somebody gives a Roman candle to like
(18:18):
a two year old who mistakenly goes and runs into
the house. This one with this dude four extra like
blowing off his hand when he talked about blowing other
people up, Like, hey, dude, sorry, but you did know
you were holding a quarter stick of dynamite in your hand.
That's what happens when you f around and find out
(18:39):
east too. Like am I supposed to feel too much
sympathy when dudes threaten to blow other people up and
then they bliw their own hand off. I do not.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Sorry, Even Lamar Jackson weighed in with his sympathies, posting,
damn for extra y'all be said with them fireworks. Then
someone replied to that, don't play with fireworks. You're the
best running back we have, and Lamar replied, when I
started hearing about people's hands and faces being blowed off,
(19:07):
I stopped that bra So even Lamar Jackson advocating for
fireworks safety, just like you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Uh yeah, love his on hand. Again, It's not because
I don't feel sympathy for somebody blowing out their own
hand it's the I'm walking around with twom Med. He's
talking about blowing up other people and then I bluff
my bone hand, Jay, ste what's you left on the weekend?
Oh man?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
What not to have? The Astros came to town, and
I'll tell you what. On Friday Night did or Herscheizer
cause a stir so. For those that don't know the history,
the Astros cheated their way to a World Serious championship
in twenty seventeen, and the commissioner didn't hold any players accountable,
(19:54):
no punishment, and when asked why you didn't vacate the
World Series championship from the Astro, the commissioner said some
mishmouth thing about slippery slopes. I don't know what is
worse than being caught cheating during a World Series in
which you won a championship in I don't know where
the slippery slope exists. But anyways, Dodger fans never forget
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what happened, and they never forgot that the Astros never
received any punishment. So on Friday Night or a Hersheiser,
much to his credit, God bless him, Bulldog on Friday Night,
I think it was Joe Davis. He said this on
the broadcast it hard the.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Deep center field Pat has on the round a turna
lats this one wedge itsself in the bottom of the
rod and Cam Smith flying into second, anchoring there with
another extra base it for the Astros. Double homer, double
Philip in third against Gasparios. I have a lot of
open hold room, but in some ways they're swinging at
these breaking balls like they know what it's coming.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So earl, earl with a great line, and that went
viral and Astros Twitter really hated it. I retweeted hashtag
never forget, hashtag Houston Asterisks and got a crapload from
the Houston Astros of when are you guys going to
get over this? It's been eight years? How about this?
(21:17):
If you guys are properly punished, we would probably be
over it by now. So I blame Manfred and I
blame Astros for having the lack of character to cheat.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
There you go, there you go. Okay, that's what we love.
Let's get to it. We hated over the weekend. Our
resident hater is none than Jason Stewart. Goes last than
love because he loves the least first. I hate because
he hates the most Chase two.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You hate to see the Astros sweep the Dodgers, ever,
but you definitely hated to see the Astros sweep the
Dodgers this past weekend at Dodger Stadium. And then I
will had a really good seat to see the final
game of that sweep, one in which the well one
holdover from the twenty seventeen squad, Jose al Tuv I
(22:03):
went to boo him and heckle him personally, and he
launched a home run in the ninth inning. I think
was a direct response to my heckling. He was asked
after the game about this heckling from yours truly?
Speaker 8 (22:20):
Is that what twenty seventh stamps for the number of
pitches you saw coming to the twenty seventeen postseason?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Huh? Is that what twenty seventh stamps for? Answer me?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He never answered me, but he did hit a home
run in the ninth inning the Astro swept. When he
was asked afterwards, he said it rattled him for a
little bit, but he gained his composure for his last
at bat.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That was terrible trash talk, too wordy. Nobody's catching all
those words?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is it because he's English second language? Sure? Do you
just think he was too wordy? Anyways?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I just thought it was too wordy. A short pointed
to the point like like again, I know the fan
got in trouble for it because he yelled at the
wrong du But like your mom is better than.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
Is twenty seven the number of times you knew a
ball was coming to you back in the previous playoffs,
not last year or the year before or the year
before that, but back several years ago?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Is that the number? Dumb?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
Should we send Jason to Robin Ficker for some h
for a consultation on proper heckling technique?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is that the old heckler from the Washington Capitals.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Washington Wizards when they were the Bullets.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But yes, sir, yeah, Washington Bullets. That's right. I used
to like re read things to Michael Jordan. It was
he was great.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah when the Jordan rules came out.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah. What what did I hate from the weekend?
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, I'm I hate the fact that people and listen,
I know what's gonna happen tonight. Okay. I live on
a lake, so it's really cool. On Fourth July you
look around the lake and there's just everywhere you can
go fireworks. But like, we've hit the point where it's over.
(24:19):
It was a little bit over last night, now it's
really over. And I understand you may not have a dog,
you may not have little kids. I have a dog.
I have three. Actually one is definitely afraid of fireworks,
really uncomfortable. So for Fourth July we put them in
the room. We can surround them with blankets. You know,
it's all his favorite things. Try and get them away
(24:39):
from the noise so he doesn't know it's happening, all
that stuff. But once you get past, like, hey, we're
a three day weekend, it's over. Stop blowing up the
damn fireworks. Okay, stop stop, it's over. Fourth of July
is over. Move on. I love. What do you got?
Speaker 7 (24:57):
But both sides of the coin. By the way, what
are the names of your dogs?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
We have Odell Beckham Junior Junior, we have Luca dog chicks,
and we have Vince Lombardi. Well first of five, well
he goes by Odi or Odell, Okay, then uh Luca
goes by Chomps, gos them chumps, and then uh vinceent
Lombardi goes by Barty Barty, Odie chumps.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
If you're keeping score at home. Within two minutes on
this broadcast, Doug has insulted me for being too wordy
and maybe too nuances.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
It was constructive, constructive feedback.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
More and then he gives the name of those dogs
that are far too nuanced and wordy.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, no, no, listen, that's their full names. Okay. My
name is Douglas Mitchell Gottlieb. I go by Doug. Okay.
It calls me Doug or DG or Doug Gottlieb. Okay,
so it's not nuanced. He asked the names. I gave
him the names. Then I gave what we actually call them.
That's okay, you were too wordy. No one would argue otherwise,
Like Ryan, was that good trash talk from Jason Stewart
(26:05):
at live in a baseball game?
Speaker 8 (26:06):
No, it was pretty bad, right.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
I love that was a small sample size, but I
see ways that he could have been more effective.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Okay, So the point is that I'm your friend, and
I'm telling you it was bad. Do better. And I
have several other baseball friends who are like Jayceonu's really
heckling jose Al Tuve, he's such a fan there, he's
such a fan. I was like, yeah, he actually is.
He's a real fan, real fan.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
This is a sore subject. But during your first sideline
this past year, would would would you find Okay, we.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Were there, they're terrible.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Were there any that you kind of chuckle to yourself
and say, no, that's that was pretty clever?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yes, there was so so most of them were really
most of you are terrible at it, like, don't do
a podcast, like that's not really trash talk, it's not
really past talk. But there was. There was a group
at Cleveland State and what happened was one of the
guys was got a little bit over the line where
(27:10):
he was talking to ask him where my daughter Harper's
where's Harper? Where's Harper? Bring harp right? So I went
in at halftime halftime, I walked over and I said, hey,
look man, okay, that's out of bounds. My daughter's out
of bounds. So mentor again, I'll have you escort out
of the arena, which is my right as a coach.
(27:32):
So we go back to the second half and they're like,
where's Gauge. What Gauge is my nephew, he's he was
a senior high school now he's going to GCU as
a manager Grand Canyon and he's like, is Gauge out
of bounds? I thought that was funny. I thought that
was funny. That was a quick adjustment by a Cleveland
State student. Most of them were terrible, though, every got
heckled every.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Game, So they're actually taking the time to do deep
Internet research.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Was kind of well group that group did. It's not
that deep, but that group did. Most groups is just like,
go back to your podcast or your radio show sucks too, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
By the way, that's cool about Gage. Grand Canyon is
a great, great environment there, you go, great arena down there.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's gonna work for Bryce. Uh, Bryce true a riot Smith.
You know what, I really fuck.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Going to a podcast. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'm sorry, it's not.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Meaning's just funny.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I was like, it's it's so random, go to a podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Welcome to a podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I hated the fact that I had to relive the
Astros beating the Dodgers in that World Series, that Game
seven when the Dodgers lost. That was my birthday. I
was that crushed me and I and this weekend when
we got swept by them. I really hated that so
that would that's what really take me off for the weekend,
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and that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Is love and hate. Jay Stu, Jay Stu, you know
you know why that segment went so much quicker.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Let's see we have Ryan and I lo one here.
Sam's out. Yeah, that's we know our reason right that
last part. Yep, we love Sam. But if you think
that your trash talk was wordy, I give you Iowa, Sam,
We're making a point.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's been word He doesn't quite know where the stops
on is. You know that is the over aggressive runner
who goes right through the stops on.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He reminds me of was it plane trains and automobiles
where John Candy's driving the wrong way down the road
and uh, some guy pulls. He pulls up alongside somebody
and Gay goes, you're going the wrong way, and he goes,
you want to race? He reminds me of you want
to race?
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
I was today years old that I learned, right, You
learn lots of things. It's weird as you get older.
Right now, I coach college kids. I'm a head coach
of Wisconsin Green Bay and it again. I have a
really good group of young men that want to learn,
want to get better at basketball. We try and teach
(30:30):
them about life a little bit. And you know, college
is just in a weird sort of phase where so
many schools because of COVID went online, and then you
factor in chat, GPT and everything else. How much are
kids actually learning? But the biggest difference between a kid
(30:53):
in an adult, I think there's two or three things, right, Like,
you know you're an adult when you know ever turned
down a nap. It never turned down a nap. I mean,
ask tuy and and even Ryan who doesn't have kids.
If you go like, hey, man, two o'clock, what if
I if I give you like an hour to shut
(31:15):
off your phone and take a nap, there isn't an
adult live that'll be like down for that. A kid
you say, hey, take a nap. You know, after you
get to like two years old, you're done with naps. Adults, well, adults,
they will order vegetables or order salads, you know, or
actually ask for them for dinner. Most kids like, what
(31:39):
why you have to make them eat vegetables? Make them
eat legomes, make them eat eat fruits. Right, that's the
difference in adults. And the other thing about adults as
opposed to kids is, I don't know if you're like
this when you do the whole you know, you help
your kid with their homework, But man, you get to
a certain age and you're like, man, I kind of
(32:01):
like learning. Maybe it was how we were taught, Maybe
it was the teachers, maybe it was our desire to
do other things. But I remember being in school and
I just could not wait for every day to be over,
as opposed to now, Damn, I love learning things. I
just do. Sunday I learned that a handball in soccer
(32:25):
was not just simply the ball touching a non goalkeeper's hand.
I literally Monday, I walked in and I was like, man,
I didn't know that the ball could graze your hand,
and if it was in the natural motion of whatever
you were doing as a as an athlete in soccer,
(32:47):
it didn't mean it was a handball. I don't know
did anybody know that. I mean, I'm sure like soccer
guys like, yeah, you're dope. Hey, I played soccer growing up.
I don't remember any of that stuff. I just remember
the tunnel, I remember caprice on, I remember scoring goals.
I you know, I don't remember any of that. So
(33:08):
I love learning, and I'll tell you something I learned today. Okay,
there was a playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds,
mostly seventeen hundreds. His name was William Congrieve. You're like,
why are you telling me about a playwright, because he's
the one who authored up the phrase, hell hath no
(33:31):
fury like a woman's scorn, Hell hath no fury like
a woman's scorn. Have you ever heard that? If you
haven't heard that, when I bet, he also said you
must not kiss and tell, so kiss and tell, and
hell hath no worries, hell hath no wrath like a
scorned woman. That's that we changed the words that change
(33:53):
the order of it. We hell hath no furry like
a woman's scorn. That was William Congreve, who is a
famous playwright in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. I was
born in sixteen seventy died in seventeen twenty nine, And like,
(34:15):
why are you starting out with that? Saying, well, I'll
tell you I also learned that apparently there's not a
true standalone version of it, but a video game within
a video game for EA Sports. So EA Sports has
two K? Or is it? EA Sports has two K?
You're familiar with two K okay, so apparently there's also
(34:39):
a WNBA version of two K. And I get it right,
Like what is two K? If you take away all
the dunks and the made layups and three points and
the high percentage of made three point shots, and you
have WNBA. But there is no denying the WNBA's sudden
rise in popularity, and for those of us who are
(35:03):
honest with ourselves, it's because of Kaitlin Clark. And you know,
we can get into the reasons why I love the
people that fall on the race aspect of it, when
then you point out, like, hey, Sabrina in Sq and
Kelsey Plumb were great women's college basketball players who came
(35:23):
to the league had have been great WNBA players, and
they have not received any amount of the acclaim of
a Caitlin Clark. There's a bunch of different factors, mostly
likely the logo threes, the hey we love Steph Curry
And here's the closest version of it, who happened to
(35:43):
play the same school for four years, happen, to take
her to a team to two straight final fours, happened.
Looks like everybody else's little sister. All of those things
she kind of nails. But upon my quest to learn
something every day, I found out that there's an NBA
(36:03):
two K version focusing on the WNBA. But here's the kicker.
The cover choice was Angel Rees. Was Angel Rees. And
it just continues this pattern of the WNBA doing everything
in their power to I don't know if it's diminished
(36:28):
Caitlin Clark or to promote everybody other than Kaitlin Clark,
but whatever it is, we try and search for reasons,
and I keep falling back on hell. Hath no wrath,
like a woman scorned William Cornelius in the late sixteen hundreds,
and like, wait a second, why are they scored? Caitlin
(36:52):
Clark said nothing negative towards any of these women. She
doesn't have to. The only logical conclusion as to why
so many of these women have done everything in their
power to marginalize, horise to fame and what it's done
for the entire sport of women's basketball is that you
(37:13):
have women that feel like they've been scorned by media,
by mainstream fans for their entire lives, and it it
comes out as anger and resentment towards Caitlin Clark. Does
(37:34):
that make sense? There's something called the Have you ever
heard the anger Iceberg? If you go through therapy, people
tell you it's you learn the anger Iceberg That people
are angry and they get snappy with one of the
other in like relationships, and it's not about that one thing.
It's about all this other thing, all the insecurities, all
the mistrust, all the times of other relationships that have
(37:56):
gone bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, And it
comes out as snappyiness towards one another. And any relationship
you have, even in business, you pocket resentment towards somebody
else getting in promotion, somebody else getting shine, You not
feeling like you're heard in a meeting, you having a
(38:18):
bad interaction with somebody at a Christmas party, whatever. For
these women, Okay, remember I see it as most of
us see it. I'm Doug Gottlieben for Collin. This is
the herd twenty five years of the WNBA. I'm not
as negative about their overall talent and skill as others are.
(38:43):
It's a different sport. Our expectations are different. We don't
have the one hundred years of history in the NBA,
and we just don't if you take away the NBA
with the dunks and the proficiency from three point line.
You know, and the other part about NBA players is
they look like superheroes, whereas many of those women. Though
(39:05):
for women, crazy athletic, crazy talented, there just is no comparison.
When you watch one game to the other, it's like
watching one in slow motion and one that plays below
the rim, and below the rim causes more mislayups and
it's again just a different, much less athletic game. And
for twenty five years, we didn't pay attention to it
(39:26):
in sports media and I've been a part of sports
media for twenty five years. We didn't pay attention to
it because nobody did the science to this is not
that hard to figure out, Cullen. This is me doing
the Colin thing. Cullen, you only want to talk about
(39:48):
Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and Edon Rodgers and Lebron James. Yeah,
because we're no different than top forty radio man play
the hits. Our job is to talk about what most
people care about. And we have twenty five years of
data that tells you most people don't care about the WNBA.
(40:09):
And the only reason we're talking about it now is
because Caitlin Clark has brought attention and people are in
fact talking about the WNBA now. So now we're going
to be attractive talking more about it. But when you're
raised as a women's basketball player, you're raised to believe
(40:29):
everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to get you. Look,
I don't know if you recall, but if you go
back to the COVID year NCAA tournament, they had women
who were in San Antonio and they had a little
(40:52):
makeshift weight room and it was like, you know, two
dumbbells and you know, and a balance ball. And then
they showed the men's weight room in Indianapolis and it
looked like it we're a weight room. And what happens is,
you know, the the NCAA like apologize for it. It
(41:12):
acts like this was this was discrediting all of women's basketball.
When reality is one, it comes down to the planning committee,
that's what they have to do. Two, the men's teams,
I believe all of them were there for like a month,
so they had to prep for it, and they had
the big ten tournament there, so they had all this
had all been kind of planned out, whereas for San
(41:34):
Antonio it was just a one stop shop and they
threw it together. And anybody who's ever traveled though knows
that like, it doesn't matter the hotel chain. You can
be a Hyatt guy, right or a Bonvoy guy, and
and some hotels have a rinky dink weight room and
some hotels don't. It doesn't have anything to do with
anything other than that particular hotel, that particular gentle manager
(41:55):
and what they think they want to focus their resources on.
But the point is that that case is no different
than anything else. Why do women have home sites during
the NCAA tournament instead of the regional sites that the
men have. Well, again, anyone who's realistic in business knows
that the reason they went back to home sites is
(42:16):
that's their only ability to draw people and to sell tickets.
They've played in the big arenas, it hasn't worked, by
and large. Trust me, if the NCAAFL like they could
make more money doing it, they would do it because
it's the only way in which they make money is
the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments. But again, how
you and I view it from a business perspective, which
(42:39):
is very much in the neutral kind of corner, is hey,
they're doing it because it makes the most sense financially.
How women view it is, oh, we're a secondary tournament.
We have to play in home sites. Right, So it
doesn't matter necessarily what the reality of women's basketball was
(43:01):
over the last twenty five years, right that you started
from nothing and built it into something that was fairly sustainable. Again,
those of us who lived it in real time, as
I have, like my media career, has mirrored essentially the
length of the WNBA. You went from being completely subsidized
by the NBA playing in these gargantuan arenas to hey,
(43:22):
let's dial this back, play in smaller venues, be smarter, Okay,
save more money, fly commercial space out the games, et cetera,
et cetera. But how it's received is we've been treated
like crap for years, and now you're trying to push
this star who she might be another Jeremy Lynn Lin
(43:43):
sanity and we're not buying it. So when I saw
that quote today, I just and then I saw that
the two K version of NBA two had Angel Rees,
not Caitlin Clark, on the cover. Right, Because again, whether
(44:07):
or not you're buying or I'm buying a WNBA two
K game doesn't matter. Right, everything would be boosted up
if you put Caitlin Clark on. It probably cost you know,
the gaming company more to put her on the cover.
But the WNBA forcing us to to take on Angel
(44:29):
Reese as some sort of rival to Caitlin Clark, forcing it,
forcing it, forcing it makes it feel icky when as
or as it's super easy here, just put Caitlin Clark
on everything. It'll sell more, it'll be the rising tide
that lifts all ships. But from the Olympic team last year,
to the players only voting where they voted her the
(44:52):
ninth best guard, to putting Angel Rees on NBA two K,
to all the bitterness and pushback and the treatment of
Caitlin Clark where they're clearly trying to punk her and
bully her and her teammates, and to making and look bad.
All of that stuff leads most of us to go,
(45:15):
why would you do that? Why wouldn't you embrace the
fact that people are paying attention to your sport, covering
it like it's one of the big three sports. Probably
got more coverage in the NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. And
the only logical conclusion I can come to is hell
hath no wrath like as a woman scored all the
(45:37):
years of being made to feel like you're a secondary
or tertiary product, and probably even tertiary is not as
strong as they were leads women to push back against
anything seen as mainstream media and fans. Oh now you
like us, but only for her? Well put to you too,
(46:00):
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Doug Gottlieb
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