The Ball is Juiced!

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You're listening to Sports Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
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the City of Angels where those of us who I
don't know anybody who didn't stay up and watch the game.
It's one of those things. If you're in the if
you're in the Pacific time zone, you didn't watch the

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World Series last night, I'm not sure we can be friends.
I'm really not a matter of fact, we're not gonna
be if your excuse was I was watching the football game.
What an incredible sports weekend. I'm gonna get to the
World Series and what I am absolutely like we are.
I am not falling for the banana the tailpipe again

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they go following open in the tailpipe. Yeah, I'm just
not get to that in a moment. Things that the
World Series, that the Seattle Houston game, I guess that
the protests that um yeah, but those are the even
the Cowboys Reds in this game. Those things because they

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happened last and because the baseball game was so stinking
crazy crazy, I'm not sure we'll have time to discuss
Jim Mclaine's out as head coach of Florida. This is
like a week removed from supposedly receiving death threats that
he never apparently received. But wait, there's more. Penn State

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completely and thoroughly dominates for three quarters Ohio State, only
two get super super tight and get outscored nineteen to
three in the fourth quarter. In Ohio State wins in
the shoe. That gets overshadowed. Um, we have a couple
of debilitating injuries in the National Football League, one in

(01:49):
which a player UH has been very dangerously close to
losing his leg, that gets overshadow because of what we
had last night. Um, it will be called the greatest
baseball game people have ever seen. I don't know if

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I have the bandwidth to to describe all the great
games or whatever. It was ridiculous, but I have to
point out that I am not going to fall for
the banana in the tailpipe again. Something is wrong last night.
With all the home runs hit, With all the home

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runs hit, there have now been more home runs hit
in this World Series than any World Series outside of
the two thousand two World Series. Now, though I don't
have the bandwidth to discuss, not mid nine nineties World
Series when I was playing basketball in high school or
playing basketball in college, or playing basketball overseas. I do

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have the bandwidth to talk about two thousand two. Why
is that, you say, because that was won by my Angels,
and it was against Barry Bonds, who was on steroids.
It was before testing, and oh yeah, by the way,
it went seven games, this went five, it's gone five games.
Oh yeah, by the way. I'm not accusing any specific Angel,

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but go and look at the Angels team picture and
you're like, damn, those dudes weren't working out. And look
at their years and there's this, uh, there's a there's
an interesting number of career years with Angels who their
careers fell off once they started testing in oh three

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after three. Now, I do not believe that there is
steroid use or massive steroid use in baseball. Two reasons
maybe three. First is there'd be such incredible damage to
the American psyche if we finally fell back in love

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with the long ball only to be duped by players
juicing again. Um, and I do think Rob Manford knows that.
I think he knows that, and I think the players
know that. Secondly, there's testing. And while you may say,
look there was testing when Lance Armstrong was doing what
he was doing. There's testing when this guy and that guy.

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I know players in Major League Baseball who in the
last three months of the season we're tested seven times,
some for blood, some for Europe. I believe the testing
process to be legitimate. And third though these guys appear
to be big and strong, we don't have the freak
shows we had back before they were steroid testing. So

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some of it's my eyes, some of it's a sense
of baseball can't sully the reputation they struggled to rebuild,
and some of it is just the basics of, hey,
look they really really test in baseball. But there were
more home runs than ever this year in the sport.
And while you can tell me that they've just changed

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your swing path a hundred and ten years of baseball
and only now they've discovered you know, if you change
your swing path, all of a sudden, balls just start
flying out of the yard. I watched last night and
ya C L. Puig, who hadn't been able to break
wind with his with his wing, hits a home run

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that's on the outside part of the plate. He one
hands it and pulls it down the line to a
home and like some of it is that joke of
a ballpark that they play in Houston. It's a joke
for a myriad of reasons. First of which, the dome
only needs to be closed when it needs to be closed.
Last night, it didn't need to be closed. Secondly, down
the line in left field, come on, dude, in addition

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to having a train go through the place, you got
people right on top. And then that one guy who
stole the ball from his buddy's wife who caught a
home run ball. The dome doesn't need to be closed.
It's too tight down the line, and it's pretty obvious
that once you get in the air to left field
it flies out. Yah. Cel Puig's home run tells the

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story that is hooked down into the corner of the
Lord's gone. It is a one run game, two run
home run back plague, and it's twelve eleven. I want
to say this about Joe Buck. There are there are
people that like to make a living on criticizing Joe Buck.

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You are all collective idiots. Idiots. Okay, you might not
like Joe Buck. You you may be jealous of the
fact that Joe Buck's dad was a great announcer, so
that helped him get her foot into the door in
being an announcer himself. But Joe Buck and John Smoltz
were as good a broadcast team as there has ever

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been in a World Series, ever, last year, ever, last night. Ever.
He is that good. And you know what, if I
was that good, I might come across a little a little,
a little arrogance sometimes too, because he delivered when needed
on the goods. He was great right back to that.

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I ain't fallen for the banana tail pipe a kind.
I remember being in college during the McGuire social deal
and everybody was just in love, right, and we're seeing
them at home runs, and my buddies, we were college athletes.
We knew what creating major body looked like. We knew
with steroids and and other stuff major bodies look like.
And we were like, yeah, no way, but everybody just

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kind of a long for the ride. Hey man, long balls,
home runs, it's awesome. And then we realized it was
all kind of a ruse. Human body is not capable
of hitting those that number of home runs, that distance
of home run you watched last night. I mean, look, look,
the Clayton Kershaw thing is Clayton Manning was in full

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effect last night. He had a four nothing lead, he
was a hundred and one, one hundred wins, one loss,
when his team had scored four runs of run support.
He had afore nothing lead and a seven to four lead.
So I'm not blaming the baseball, but I'm blaming the baseball.
And I'm trying to ask myself, can I go along
with the fact that it's an incredibly intriguing World Series,

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but it's not really baseball because it's pretty obvious that
those balls are juiced. Dallas Kaiko, who pitches for the Astros,
said as much. And when you watch the balls fly
out of the yard at that sort of pace with
coming off those kind of bats, you're like, something main right,
something made right. I can still enjoy it. I can

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still say these are the two best teams. But it's
also ruining the reputation of Clayton Kershaw as much as
Dave Roberts is ruining the repute station of Clayton Kershaw. Like,
let him finish the damn inning, all right, you walk
two guys. If he's really a competitor, let Clayton Kershaw
nut up and get two guys out, don't go to
Kent and Maida, who had a ball, who pitched, who

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had a pitch? That ball didn't land. Yet there's so
much to get to with the game. So I guess
here's the thing. I don't think, well, no, I think
I think the balls are juiced. I think the balls
are juiced. I think the balls are loaded. And I
don't know how it comes to be, but this has

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been whispered throughout baseball circles all year. Something's up at
the baseball They feel different, they fly different, they are
in fact different. Jose Canseco one Twitter last night, Did
you guys see that jose Canseco quote from his Twitter account?
The balls in my pants have less juice in them
than the balls in this game. Who would have thought?
Jose Canseco brings both levity and honesty to this. So

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I'm not trying to to diminish the Astros like I.
If the Astros don't win this thing, I'd be stunned.
And not only they win last night, they come back
several times over and then gag away a three run
lead in the top of the ninth inning and still
with it and get to Kenley Jansen again, which makes
me look like a genius because I went to use

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Kenny Jansen in Game one as sure as hell want
to use them on Saturday night when you didn't need him.
You don't need to use them all the time. Oh,
it's just what we do. Not it'd be smarter than that.
There's a lot to get to, the fact that this
is a marathon, not a sprint. Dave Roberts completely forgot that.
The fact that you always leave the hand the ball
in the hands of your competitive starting ace pitcher instead
of reliever. The fact that you can't always take a

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player's word for Brandon Morrow said he was ready. The
only thing he was ready to do was turn around
because he had six pitches. He gave up four runs.
There's a lot to get to. I'm not trying to
diminish the Astros. I'm telling you though, If you don't
think those balls are loaded, ask anybody in baseball or
just open your damn eyes, because I believe that going

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along with was going like, no, they're just changing the
swing path. That is to steal from Beverly Hills. Cop
that's fallen for the BA and the tailpipe again, and
the Astro's got Verlander going in Game six. Oh who,
by the way, the Dodgers could have had they went
after you, Darvis instead. Oh, how you doing today, Ramas?

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I'm alive? Um, can you appreci Here's I guess here's
the three questions. The two questions I'm struggling with. Can
you appreciate the game if you know the baseball is loaded?
Can you appreciate the game considering your team lost and
it was a devastating way to lose. Yes, and yes, yeah,
I'm all in on the Astros being a really, really

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good team. I respect all baseball teams that are that
go out there and compete and the ball is flying
out at a large margin. But more for the Astro
I think they have like four runs. I just only
have like five or six. Well, that's the crazy I mean,
this is just the craziest thing ever is if you
look at last night's box score, the Astros only had
fourteen hits and scored thirteen runs, Like that's that's in

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and I know they scored the final run and saying, oh,
by the way, Dave Roberts, hey, if you have a
guy in left field who cannot throw a baseball from
short left field to home plate, you know you're allowed
now you're allowed to substitute players in for defensive reasons.
You're actually allowed to move them around the diamond. Your
center fielder was playing second base, you can put andre Ef,

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your a left hander, at second base, considering you have
the shift on hell, you can put him in first base.
You put wherever the hell you want. You can't put
him in the outfield if you can't throw it from
left field, short left field to home. I mean, look,
I don't think a J. Hinch just managing doing I
think he's awful. They're both not good. But Dave Roberts

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going like, oh, look the spreadsheets said this is what
we should do. Oh And I like Dave Roberts. But
man was the awful last night. Awful. So we'll take
some of your calls throughout the show. Eight seven, seven,
nine nine m. Fox Ramos Music, Dan Buyer, who loves
knows a ton about baseball and uh Dan of course

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hosts a fantasy show which um is on Sunday mornings,
does a great job. Well, we'll we'll dive in, we'll
talk about all the little intricacies up based because it
was incredible. It's an incredible game. I could not go
to sleep even afterwards. I was so energized by it.
The fact that a guy named Derek Fisher scored the
winning run is of course, Derek Fisher always scores. The
winning runner, always hits the winning shot ran like Matt

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Barnes was chasing him. Was incredible. The Seahawks Texans game
yesterday was was probably as well played and as intriguing
a game as you will see in the NFL this season,
which causes so many people to go, why didn't DeShawn
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(15:30):
seven or eight minutes. Here. Um four time All Star
World Series champion, of course, also come back play the
year in two thousand ten, Howdy's gonna join us talk
about last night's game, catch up with Dan Buyer in
a moment, find out whatever what else is going on
in the world sports. Uh, just just kind of help
make my point. I don't know if you guys know,
but in the modern era based home runs were down
to an all time low. Uh in the again modern

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era of baseball six total in two thousand fourteen. This
year at all time high six five because they've all
changed their swing path. Like, come on, dude, I was
born at night, not last night. I mean the the
something up with the ball. I do not believe that

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players are juicing. I believe that the that the baseball
has been going to bolco and it doesn't take much,
and it's amazing on how we're just kind of all like, yeah,
it might be loaded. Whereas when Tom Brady may have
told his uh equipment guy to take a little air

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out of a football, we think it's the end of
the end of of humanity, especially when the Patriots played
better when the ball was reinflated after half. But think
about it, the legacies that are changed last night Clayton
Kershaw went from eliminating the narrative he couldn't pitch in
the playoffs. Two, he's now Clayton Manning right, he's way

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better than the right good season than he is in
the postseason. And what changed that? A couple of home runs,
a couple of months, Oh no, a couple of mistakes, mistakes, dank,
we'll get to to Dave Roberts and the turnstile to
which he did not understand something that again, postseason managing

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different than regular season managing and World Series managing. Joe
Madden did essentially the same thing last year. Marathon not
a sprint, Big Boy Marathon, not a sprint. More on
that to come. Um. The the Seahawks Texans game, in
which I do feel like the Texans on their last
possession screwed up. It was third and four. They should

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have run a run pass option RPO if you will,
let Deshaun Watson winner or lose it. Instead, they punt
the ball to Russell Wilson and the Seahawks come through,
get a home within and and escape what was a
fantastic football game. Fantastic football game lost into Shaun Watson's

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brilliance is Uh. Some of this discussion, which you'll see
from some pundits over how the heck did he not
win the job to begin with? Right? Like he was
decent in the preseason. Of course his coach at times
would be um marginally critical of what he was doing
and how he was doing it. But why wouldn't you
just go with the kid? As some would say, Shaun

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Watson carried the ball eight times for sixty seven yards.
He threw nineteen thirty two yards. He did throw three interceptions.
He was not perfect yesterday, he was far from and
a couple of one of them, the pick six in
the first half is a bad which is there's nothing
good about but this there's a lot of political discussions

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today with what's going on in d C. And I'll
related this way to politics. An incumbent wins eighty five
percent at the time, And why does the incumbent win
eight percent at the time, Well, because they know they
can run from the second they're elected, and they can
really do so. Any appearance they make on behalf of

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their office can be turned into running for re election
to the re election campaign, and they do so on
the taxpayer's time, without the taxpayer at all being aware
or really caring. They know the game, they know where
the votes come from, they know how they won in
the first place, and they can win that way more

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easily the next time around. Incumbents are really really hard
to beat. It's the exact same thing in sports. When
I got Notre Dame, I was told that I would
start at point guard the time I arrived, and there
was another point guard's name is add More White, who's
from from Florida, really athletic, really talented, and he was

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a junior and he actually started some during his freshman year,
then came out the bench during his sophomore year. He
was a junior. And I gotta tell you guys that
for the first month of practice, I looked like I
couldn't play college basketball. And I definitely was not the
better player than add More White. And the reason is
he knew the offense. He knew the drills, he knew

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the shortcuts, he knew how to pace himself, he knew
when to go hard. He just kind of had a
feel for how everything was coming when everything was coming,
and the offense was more set up in in general,
maybe not to him, but to the coaches liking the
coach couldn't steer it more towards my liking. The same
is true here with and you know, four games in

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I became the starter. I never gave up the starting
position when I got Tocla State. It was the start
of the entire time there. So the point is, you
look at Deshaun Watson, the offense they're running. They're running
a lot of college stuff, right, They're running some option.
They got guys in motion all over the place. They're
letting him run, they're letting him throw, and some of
it I think Bill O'Brien didn't even know and wanted

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to install. But when he was trying to win the job,
he was trying to win the job of a traditional
Bill O'Brien offense, the likes of which Tom Savage had
a leg up on because he just knew how to
win the job. He was essentially the incumbent. He knew
where to go with the football, what the checkdowns were,
all the different furbiage. It was easy. Was a set

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up deal. And it's really hard for any coach, even
one that believes in you and drafted you like Bill
O'Brien did, to go well, you know, if we change
the offense to fit one, could you actually would it
actually work in the NFL? And to how would he
look within it? And three, and this is probably the
most important thing. Can he stay healthy if he's running
around this much? Incumbents win re election eighty five percent

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at the time, not surprising to me at all that
in a true open competition, Tom Savage won the job,
and smartly Bill O'Brien slowly installed this more college style offense.
And the only question is how long does it work for?
Because in the past college style offense had have had
like a one season limit. Cason point r G three
case in point, Tim Tebow case. Use all those guys

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that came in and they ran kind of their college
stuff the first year, and they slowly tried to have
him involved. Let's bring in Dan Buyer. Uh. Dan, When
I say Game five World Series, what do you say?
I say, wow? You know, it was funny during the
broadcast that when Dave Roberts chose a bunt of the
seventh inning again another terrible Dave Roberts decision, Joe Bucket

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John Smaltz were saying, I don't think that one more
run is going to decide this game, which could have
made it eight seven if everything I guess went to
plan like Dave Roberts, Yeah, then it finished his thirteen
to twelve Boy, were they right? Game six? Of course
tomorrow you'll see it on Fox eight twenty Eastern time.
It's gonna be justin Verlander. God for the Astros against
the Dodgers Rich Hill in the NFL that I Broccos

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and Chiefs wrap up a week eight at eight thirty
Eastern time. The Chiefs have a date with the Cowboys
coming up in week nine. How Boys running back Ezekiel
Elliott a waiting word from a New York judge to
hear of a preliminary injunction will be granted that will
block his games six games suspension. If this suspension remains
in place, Elliott wouldn't be allowed to return until week
fifteen of this season. Seahawk safety Earl Thomas slightly pulled

(23:15):
his hamstring and yesterday's win against the Houston Texans. While
good news for the Jaguars, Leonard for that one of
those guys picked ahead of Deshaun Watson, but he was
on the practice field today returning from an ankle injury
that cost him Week seven, and Doug bears Head and
Zack Miller had emergency surgery to repair he damaged artery
at his left leg, dislocated his left knee, and yesterday's
lost to the Saints at Bears Head coach John Fox

(23:36):
said today they took a vein from his good leg
to repair the injury in the left leg. Terrible, terrible
injury where his knee caught what appeared to catch at
the time a touchdown pass, only to have reviewed and
changed and then his leg snapped the wrong way. I
was just awful stuff. And so far reports are that
he came out of some of the best bascut the

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people in the country. Happened to be in New Orleans,
I think at T Lane where he was operated on,
and they think they'll save the leg, forget about his knee,
just want to save the leg. And at this point
scary scary stuff. Thanks to as Dan buy, are you
here on topping half past every hour here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Let's say welcome in former Brave Star,
four time All Star Tim Hudson, who joins the show

(24:18):
here on Fox Sports Radio fresh off an incredible night
major League Baseball and Jimmy I don't want to pollute
the waters in your mind. Um, I just want to
get your thoughts on what you saw Game five in Houston, Hodey.
When I say game five as somebody who has one
a World Series, as somebody who has been a part
of some of the great teams in baseball, what's your reaction?

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I wanta tell you what, man, that was. That was
an unbelievable game last night. Um, you know, Kershaw and
Cocho going head to head. You know, who'd ever thought
that the score would ended up thirteen? But you know
what a tremendous series this has been. I mean it's
been it's been so entertaining for the fans and um
for me. You haven't seen my it's on both teams.

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It's just it's been a lot of fun to watch.
And I'm excited that. Um, you know, some of my
former teams are gonna win a World Series. I don't
know which one is gonna be. Um, you know, I
think obvious stuff right now, though you know the vantage
may may sway towards Houston, especially with bern Lander on
the mound next game. So it's exciting, man, I'm it's
a It's a heck of a series. No, it's it's incredible. Um. Look,

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I believe, I truly, honestly believe the players are not juiced. Okay,
I believe because I have friends they are Like, look, dude,
I was tested seven times. They test my blood. I
believe the players aren't choosed, all right, So let's take
that off the table. You have the bats or you
have the balls. Uh, something's amiss because like, like, look,

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I know, yes, Pug strong, but he takes a pitch
of the outside part of the plate and one hands
it to left field and and I know that's a
little bit of a short porch and there's a little
bit of a little bit of a launching pad effect
or whatever. But come on, man, there's just too many
home runs this year to not think that something's up,
either with the bats or the balls. What what's the what?

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Where are you in? The balls are loaded? Camp? You know,
I don't know. I mean I can't. I can't say
one way or another. I do know this, I can.
I can tell you that players are a lot stronger,
and I know hitters are are a lot better than
they were you know, you know, ten even five years ago. Um,
you know, my last few years in baseball, you know,

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just looking over another dugout and seeing how young these
guys were, but but not only seeing how young they were,
how how polished they were as hitters. You know, the
approach that they had, um, you know, the discipline that
they had that played. I just honestly, I mean I
don't know. I mean I can't speak to the baseballs
or the bats, um, but I do know that the
game is more challenging for pictures. Um. You know. But

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but having said that, I mean my opinion, I think
good pitching is still gonna be good hitting, just because
if you have a frontline guy out there on the
plate on the mound and he's making his pitches and
he's rested and he's feeling strong, um, you know, he's
gonna he's gonna dominate a ball game. You know, you're
gonna cut Clayton Kershaw up there with uh, you know

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where he's feeling strong and making this stuff. I mean,
he's gonna he's gonna dominate a lineup. But haven't said that.
You know, if you have pitching that's going out there
and they're a little more fatigued, um, you know, the
velocities you know, a tick or two down, their location
is not quite what it is. Whenever they're feeling fresh
and and and a dent, then I think the hitters,
you know, they can there. They have the ability to

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take advantage of something like that, and I think that
might be what we're seeing right now. How do you
join us at Tim Hudson of course, two wins as
a as a four time All Star World Series champ
of members, and I'll come back play of the year.
Back in the two thousand ten Tim Hudson joining us
on the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports traded.
Let's get into Kershaw. Um he had he had changed

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some of the narrative of him as a post season
picture against the Mets. Going back, I was at the
last last year two years ago. Uh. And then of
course Game one, he was spectacular. He had a four
nothing lead with a four run lead, Clayton Kershaw. It
was a hundred and one coming to the last night,
had a four nothing already could before nothing lead didn't

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stand up. Then he has a seven to four lead
and he walks the first two batters steps aside and
Mada gives up, gives up a three run home run. Uh.
In your mind what's gone wrong? For what went wrong
for Clayton Kershaw last night. You know, it's hard to say.
I know that. You know, when it was forward to nothing,
I thought the ball game was over, honestly. I mean

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I just thought that he looked really sharp up to
that point and was feeling like he was on top
of his game. And you know, he just gave the
Houston lineup just a little bit of you know, he
cracked the door open for him just a little bit, man,
and let him back in the ball game, just to touch.
They started feeling a little more confident at the plate.
And then obviously the one anyone who came out there
was at the fourth end. And when he came out

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and walked the first two guys, um, you know that
for me, that was you know, that was kind of
the backbreaker a little bit in that ending, because you know,
that guy Kershaw out of the ball game, and and
I can promise you there's not a guy in that
locker in that in that dug out in Houston that
when they saw that manager go out there to the
mound to take Clayton Kershaw out of the ball game,

(29:15):
that they wasn't like, all right, you know, I don't
care who you bring in out of that bullpen, He's
not gonna be as good as Clayton Kershaw. Okay, So
that that leads just that, that leads just to to
to Roberts. Dave Roberts, Look, his bullpen is gassed. There's
no question there, he said. Brandon Morrow picked up the
phone and and told them we have lead back. I'm ready,
I can pitch. You clearly didn't have anything in the
tank last night. But you know, like, look, do you

(29:37):
in your mind, is it was a mistake to take
out Kershaw who did walk to but pitch count was
under a hundred and their options are Kent and Mata
who would pitched well but didn't have gas in the tank.
In your mind, was that a mistake? Well, you know
in hindsights always, But you know what, as a manager,
you can only you can only go by what your
what your players are telling you. You know, if you
have you know, bullpen guys that are telling you they' arrested,

(30:00):
they're ready to go, give me the ball, coach, And
you know you have your guy, your starter out there
that seems to be struggling, starting to struggle just to
touch and you see that that lineup starting to get
some little better swings on them. You know, of course,
you know as a manager, you're gonna you're gonna think,
hope and think that whoever you're bringing down that bullpen
is gonna be, you know, gonna be an improvement from

(30:20):
what you have. But you know, I don't know, man,
I'm just call me old school or what, but I
just feel like, mane, you know, you your guys in
your starting rotation there, they're starters for a reason. They're
starters because they're they're supposed to be the five of
the best pictures you have on your team. And you know,
if I have a guy like Clayton Kershaw or Madison
bum Garmer or you know, John Smoltz or whoever, you know,

(30:42):
if they're out there on the mound and you know
they tell me that they're good to go, I'm gonna God,
I'm gonna trust my I'm gonna trust my horse as
long as I can. And um, you know it should
be you know, taking the ball out of Clayton Kershaw's
hand should be one of those where it's just like
it's kind of a last resort sort of thing. In

(31:04):
my in my opinion. But um, but you know what,
like I said, man, you can only go by what
your bullpen guys are telling you. And and uh, you know,
they thought that they had some guys in the point
in the bullpen ready to go out there and make
some pitchers and get some outs, and you know, just
it wasn't the case. Um. You know, my Ada came
in and gave up the you know, the big homer
right there that got him back in that ball game.

(31:24):
And you know, once they once they hit that homer,
in that stadium went crazy, and that dugout what nuts.
I mean, it was, it was talking about a switch
of momentum. It was. It was something that the Dodgers
just couldn't rebound from. Now, it's pretty pretty amazing. Tim
Hudson joining us and Doug out the show. Best game
you've ever played, The best game you've ever been a
part of. Like this game I was a part of this,
the best game I ever been a part of. You remember, uh,

(31:48):
what team I've played I've played on that I thought
was the best No, no, no, no, the best game
like just individual, like you all, the best game that
I've that I've been a part of. Gosh, you know what, Um,
you know one of me. It's hard, it's hard to say,
but I think you know in Oakland when we won
our twentieth ball game in a row against Kansas City, UM,
you know, that was one of those games where we

(32:09):
had a big lead and we blew it late in
the game and we had a dramatic win to win
our twentieth game in a row. Was was one that's
it's always seems really special for me just being a
part of that. And of course, uh, and we saw
that in the movie that of course talked about that
team and how baseball has has changed based upon sabor metrics.
Tim Hudson joining US, four time All Star, Comeback Player

(32:31):
of the Year, won a World Series as well, joining US. Um,
you are partnering with Affleck. You your wife Kim partnering
with Affleck to fight not just childhood cancer but also
blood the help their blood disorders send the Afflet Blood
Disorders Center. Uh. Take me through this partnership. Well, you know,
we got traded to Atlanta in two thousand and five

(32:51):
and we we we partnered up wood would um Affleck
Cancer Center and Children's health Care Atlanta up here in
Atlanta and it's been you know, that's been an unbelievable
my ariage for us. Um, you know, up to now,
you've been able to do some really cool things, and um,
you know, I'm just blessed to have a platform to
be able to do some some good things like this
in the community. And um, you know, what a great

(33:14):
organization to be a part of, the Affleck Cancer Center.
They've they've done amazing things here in Atlanta and just
being able to be a part of it. So it's
truly a blessing. Um, you know, I've been able to
raise up you know, to donate over a hundred nineteen
million dollars you know for treatment research. You know, since
so you know, the Affleck Cancer Center has been been

(33:34):
truly committed to trying to make a difference in these
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this worked at you and your wife. I know you
guys are college sweethearts. I'm my wife and our college
sweethearts row Club and State. You guys met at Auburn.
This is great stuff you're doing. And I really appreciate
your perspective on what was an incredible night and it's
been an incredible series for baseball. And I could like
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(34:16):
Cancer dot organ check out. You know exactly what they
do here. It's it's truly amazing. Honey, thanks so much
for joining us. Man, appreciate you, Bet, thank you all right.
More to come in terms of interviews, Pat Fitzgerald fitz
will join US Northwestern head coach topic next hour. D'angela
Williams joins us every Monday here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um,
and Uh, I believe we'll have Matt Holiday later on

(34:37):
the show. Maybe Major Apple White is Houston has turned
their season around. We got a lot of stuff to
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We'll talk about the weird, wild and wacky UH Big

(35:22):
ten East. He's in the Big ten West. He's won
three games in a row. They just beat Michigan State,
held on to beat Michigan State UH thirty nine thirty one,
super exciting game that went to overtime in in evans
in Evanston this past weekend. That after being in Iowa
the week before, they got Nebraska on the road and
they don't they've already played Penn State. They do not

(35:42):
play Ohio State. So we'll ask him about Penn State.
Locy to Ohio State. He also played Wisconsin who's gonna
win that side of the of the division. So we'll
talk some big ten football with Pat Fitzgerald. Top of
the hour. D'Angelo Williams joins us next hour as well,
SAG this is game time on the Doug gott leaps.

(36:05):
Dan Bayer joins us, Dan, what's the game today? Today?
We are playing big deal little deal? All right, let's
go all over the map with this one. Let's start
in the NFL. Big deal, little deal or no deal
that we could find out today. If Ezekiel Elliott's six
game band will be in place or continue to be
on hold, a New York judge will be shot. If
a preliminary in junction will be granted, that could block

(36:28):
that six game. Since I was just looking on Twitter,
he's just arrived in New York at the courthouse. Um,
I'd say that's a pretty big deal. I mean, you know,
I mean the Cowboys won again. Look good, Zeke had
a hundred and fifty yards on thirty three carries. They
appear to be a different team since they've come out
of the break and they thumped the Niners and then
they they took down the Redskins. He's their best offensive weapon.

(36:51):
I think that's a pretty big deal, especially with the
game against the Chiefs coming up. Yeah, they've got the Chiefs.
If Elliott's six game band would be put in place
effective immediately, that have game is against the Chiefs at
the Falcons, home against the Eagles, home to the Chargers,
home to the Redskins, and then at the Giants. So
some of those games may be winnable without him, but
with him they could go six and oh. Moving on,

(37:12):
big deal, a little deal or no deal, that the
Chiefs could have essentially a three game lead over the
rest of the a f C with West with a
win tonight over the Denver Broncos on Monday Night Football. Um,
that gap is wide. Raiders aren't good. That's a that's
a that's a big deal. They've lost two in a row. Um.
And it's not just they've lost two in a row.
As you point out, this is Kansai Chiefs team that

(37:35):
has an opportunity against to Broncos team that has no offense.
They gotta kind of they gotta bounce back. I think
it's a big deal. Um. Chargers. Chargers have one of
the all time worst special teams plays ever. Travis Benjamin
joined US last week, and of course with the a
f C Special Teams Player of the Year especial Especial
Teams Player of the Week had that award. I'm automatically

(37:57):
taken back because he caught a ball just inside the
ten yard line, which you're not supposed to do, ran
backwards and actually got a safety when the the defense
had gotten to stop. So anyway, I think it's a
big deal if you can put that sort of separation
beat the Broncos get two games up plus uh, you're
actually two and a half games up because you're beating
an Indivision rival. I think it's a huge thing. He'll

(38:19):
be a Player of the Week, but it'll be w
e a K for this week. It was that was
shocked in the full play. Big deal, a little deal
or no deal that Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig says there
is going to be a game seven, adding that his
team won't be finished on Tuesday night. That's no deal.
Yeah right. No player thinks they're gonna lose. No players
are gona that'd be great. It's over with, it's done.

(38:42):
We're looking ahead the team. Big deal, A little deal
or no deal? That the Calves lost by nineteen at
home to the Nix yesterday, while the Pistons down the
Warriors by eight in Oakland. This game was kind of
these games are kind of lost because of the NFL
and how great the World Series was, right, we didn't like,
we're not talking about Jim mcaulane, We're not talking about
Much State, Penn State. Um, I'm gonna say it's a

(39:05):
little deal. There is something amiss here with with the
Cleveland Cavaliers. But you can't criticize the Cavaliers and not
get on to the Warriors. Remember there was no suspension
in effect for um uh, what's his name, Draymond Draymond Green.
You know he played in the game and they still lost.
So yeah, I mean those are especially the Knicks though,

(39:26):
I think the Knicks beating the Calves, that feels like
a little bit bigger things. I'll say, little deal, not
no deal, a little deal. Yeah. And what's interesting as well,
you mentioned the Draymond Green situation Friday night with the Wizards.
With the Wizards, that was a close game as well.
Washington had that in the hand for a while and
then the Warriors came back and so back to back
home games for Golden states that they were dealing with issues.

(39:47):
I'm speaking of issues. Big deal, little deal or no deal.
Doug that an English soccer goalie was given a red
card for urinating by the sides of the stands during
a match recently. No deal, No, you gotta pee. They
can't run all the way back to the locker room.
He's get a red card? Like really? I The incident
was apparently reported to the police as well as a

(40:08):
fan complained. But I and this is like lower level
English sock, this is like six tier. But the guy
had to go during the match. I tried to go
off to the side. One of the linesmen told the referee, Hey,
he's taking a leak. Um, I'm surprised that you're doing.
I thought they'd give him a yellow card this time.

(40:33):
Show buyer, how long have you been working on that?
That's the only reason I picked the story, to be honest,
that's the only reason I picked the story. Uh music,
What do you think of the World Series game? Buddy?
I thought it was incredible. My girlfriend hated it because
I was had the TV on incredibly late, but it
was it was great. I was I knew and Ramos

(40:54):
and I talked about him this morning right now, Ramos
and that time when the Astros took that three run lead,
that was I thought it was absolutely over. I was
just like I was waiting. I was like, I know,
the Dodgers are gonna eventually take the at least tie it.
Who did they have a third base? They didn't send
home and they ta Chris Taylor and they had the
audio of the third basement coach going go, go go,

(41:16):
and Taylor thought he said no, no, no, you know,
like oops, just so loud in there, Houston, we don't
respect you because you have a retractable dome that you
don't retract. Come up next, Ohio State. Uh, didn't just
win the game? I thought Penn State blew the game.
I'll explain on the Doug Gotlip Show. What up. It's
Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio. Come into you from

(41:41):
the City of Angels. Hey, if you ever want to
go to a Laker game, boys, I think tomorrow night's
to night Nights night, because um, Halloween Dodgers game six
all going on same night, right, and I know that
you could you could actually do a double dip. You
might be able to if the game moves and didn't

(42:03):
move last night. But if it moved like it did
Game one, you might be able to get out of
there by eight. Make the second half of the NBA.
But it's the Pistons taken on the Lakers at Staples
Center on Halloween. And oh yeah, by the way, there's
Game five of the World Series. Um, my kids don't
like Game six. Sorry, my kids don't like going trick

(42:25):
or treating with me because I'm usually like, all right,
one huge candy bar. That's good, let's wrap this thing up.
Huh how much can you possibly so? I may be
I may uh, I'm I'm Scrooge McDuck. I may be
at the house grumbling about all the candy and watching
Game six of the World Series. Ramos, what are your
kids going as Sarah will be? I'm sorry, Lucas is Stitch.

(42:50):
It's my kids love Stitch, Stitch and Sarah is gonna
be Wednesday from the Adams Family, if it's nice? Or
do you get dressed up? I do? Do you get
your wife into the Princess? La? What I'm saying? Let
me write that down? Wife? Uh? Dan Dan Buyer, did
you go to any Halloween costume parts? And you don't

(43:12):
have kids. Halloween. I probably dislike it the most of
any holiday. I'm not a big Halloween guy. Wow. Um,
I actually think tomorrow night it's a it's a bad
night for Halloween. Halloween is maybe my It's my second
favorite holiday. I never realized that a second favorite holiday.
I believe it's the third most popular holiday in the

(43:33):
United States. I put obviously, uh, Thanksgiving and Christmas side
by side one and one, one A and one B
somewhere in there, and then I think Halloween is is.
I think Halloween has surpassed Fourth of July and Memorial Day,
which have kind of morphed into one. I understand for
cities and states. For July still has more of the parades,
but so does Memorial Day. The fireworks and Fourth July,

(43:55):
but that's about it. And as much as we celebrate
people blowing things up, as long they don't blow themselves up,
I think the Halloween has surpassed it. Um. I watched
the Penn State Ohio State on Fox on Fox. There's
a bunch to get into Gus Johnson not rocking the
suit and tie. I think that's a change that should
be made for the future. That dude I have no

(44:15):
idea how good how old Gus Johnson is, but he
looks like he's like forty. He has not aged an
ounce and they called an incredible game. It was a
spectacular comeback personally for j T. Bart considering how poorly
he played against Oklahoma State, and within that game he
was about as good as a quarterback could possibly be,
especially in the second half. But in many ways I

(44:36):
thought Penn State gave it away. They don't a blocked punt,
they don't. They get super conservative in the red zone,
they get the ball back, uh, they get the ball
back deep in their own territory, and they get again
get conservative within the within their own offensive play calling.
I mean, if you want to go I State's defensive

(44:57):
line dominant the game, that's fine. Penn State has a
big league gets super conservative after giving up a block
punt and a subsequent touchdown two point conversion, and they
kind of went into their shell. That game should have
been over instead of taking a field goal. But it's not.
In Ohio State wins. Ohio State survives thirty ninety eight,

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and I'm sure they're going to be the number three
ranked team of the country behind Georgia's ironic to me.
Oklahoma beat Ohio State at Ohio State in the Shoe.
Oklahoma's only loss was to Iowa State, who back then
was thought to be terrible. They'd only won one game
against Oklahoma ever in their history of being league opponents.

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But now Iowa State looks actually like a good win
at home. And yet because of the Big Ten and
perception of that league versus the Big Twelve, my guests
would be Oklahoma will still be ranked below Ohio State
even if they beat Oklahoma State on the road this week.
It's crazy, it's perception maybe above reality. But the Big

(46:00):
Ten is really good. I still think Michigan's incredibly talented,
obviously dealing with issues in terms of their offense and
their defense was jumped on by Penn State. Wisconsin sitting
out there undefeated, but they have a much easier schedule.
Only play Michigan at home, don't play Penn State, don't
play a hot state, although they would likely play one
of the two in the Big Ten Championship game. And

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now a team which is arguably the hottest in outside
of Wisconsin in the Big Ten West is coached by
Pat Fitzgerald, who joins Northwestern's head coach. They survived an
incredible game. Among the things that I've gotten lost in, UH,
the the World Series, the great NFL games, the other

(46:41):
NFL stories, and the Penn Stay Ohio State game is
games like the like the Northwestern Michigan State game, which
was kind of a game for the ages. Penn S Day.
UH Northwestern Day coach Pat Fitzgerald joins us in the
Doug Gotlip Show. Coach, how are you? I'm doing everything, dude?
They did just so much in my job is you know,
we try and talk about as much as we can,
right And it's it's crazy because your game, which I

(47:03):
was flipping back and forth watching kind of gets lost
in the wash. But it feels like your team. There
are some expectations, I think locally of your team and
early on a tough schedule and some tough losses. How
have you turned things around? Well, the credit goes to guys.
They've been really grinding and working hard. You're right, we didn't.
We didn't play the way I thought we were capable

(47:25):
of maybe in a couple of weeks, and you know,
we faced two pretty good opponents back to back weeks
and in UH in Penn State in Wisconsin. UM, and
not to discredit them, they played very well against us.
But you know, I think this group is learning. This
maybe one of the youngest, if not the youngest team
I've had the privilege of coach here in Northwestern And
we just gotta keep working hard to get better. And
that's what I've seen for him so far. And big

(47:46):
test force this weekend the road as we go out
to Lincoln. All right, before we get to that Nebraska
game and the rest of the league taken back, you
guys have a seventeen to ten lead, you have the
ball and uh, and look it's it's it's the third
and three at the Michigan State forty nine and with
I think it was like three one to go. Uh.

(48:07):
You're sitting there, I'm watching the game and I'm thinking,
all right, play action, pass your play a pat or something.
But the every coach should say, look, run the football.
Worst case scenario, clock moves you make him call a
time out. Uh, tell me take me through your thinking
in how to try and get a first down but
also not turn it over and and and run the
clock at the same time. Yeah, you know, I thought

(48:29):
we had a really good play called we had we
had run um, you know, two similar really about three
of the first four plays of that drive. We came
out through a slant, I got a first down, and
I think the next two plays we came out and
had pretty successful run plays were sitting the third and three. Um,
you know, we basically tried to option the end and
the end made a great play. Um. We squeezed down,

(48:49):
took to dive in our air quarterback Clinton Force and
you know, basically, um, I was gonna have to outrun
hunt the sideline and we missed a block out at
receiver and he ends up not getting getting it picked up.
But you know, to me, that was the right call
based on all of the circumstances. Um. You know, obviously
you wish you'd get it, but we weren't able to
get it. And then, um, so it was more it

(49:11):
was more execution based then like, hey, I wouldn't go
back and change the play call. Yeah, and we got
you know, we got a pretty good you know, and
it was a read play. It was a you know,
inverted option play his own read play. Um you know
that again, I think their defensive end played it really
really well. So, um, you know, is it Monday. I
don't even remember what today is. It's it's so easy

(49:32):
to go back and look at all those things. And
you know, we we do that as a coaching staff
on Sunday and talk about that. But um, you're always
trying to find a way to to make sure you
pick it up, get the first down, but at the
same time, don't mess it up. Now we're we've been
playing pretty well on defense and you know, worst case
scenario here we got a punt and uh and play

(49:54):
field position. I was okay with that. You know, it's
it's crazy. Pat Fitzerroald joining us is is he I
brought it up because look, your four yards away from
maybe not winning the game, but getting pretty close to
getting a position to kick a field goal to to
ice the game right. And then they get the ball
back and he got them fourth and four. Uh, he
got him fourth and four with like fifty two seconds ago,

(50:16):
and they scramble get a first down and then you
know they it took him a lot to tie it
up with the thirteen yard pass, some crazy play to
to send it to overtime. But it shows something about
your kids that you guys were able to get it
back together, get the ball the first possession of overtime
and score in just two plays. How did you guys,

(50:36):
did you bring him together and say something? Is there
something inherently in their leadership, because that's hard to have
to be. Really, you were two plays away the third
down play, maybe the fourth down play where they're marching.
That ends the game. If you get a stop, they
get a five yard scramble, get a first down, and
they score a touchdown. A lot of teams would have
folded up shop. Yours did not. How did that happened? Yeah,
you know, I think you're right. Leadership as a talk

(50:59):
in the boundary was really good. The guys were, you know,
let's go out and get the wind, and uh, you know,
it got pretty crazy there at the end too. It
was you know, the numbers. If you didn't see the game,
you go oout. It was it was a shootout, and
and really it wasn't. It was a really hard fought
defensive battle. Both offenses moved the ball, but both defenses

(51:19):
stiffened in the red zone, and uh, you know, they
both offenses, both quarterbacks and thin Brian at work. He
played an outstanding game for Michigan State you know, I'm
sure he'd like the last throwback on the second down play,
but the young man played, I thought out of his mind.
It was excellent. And say, if they were Clayton forcing
our quarterback, I thought both played really, really well and
it just came down to one one defense making a

(51:40):
play and we were fortunate that, you know, Nate Hallo
went up and you know, jumped up and caught that.
I gotta tell you, I hate college over time because, like, look,
football is about all three phases, right, and you know,
you're taking off seventy five yards and then once you
get a couple over times and now you have to
go for two, which you guys completed your two point

(52:00):
conversion play. But it's almost like if it was basketball overtime,
like all right, look now we're gonna play half court,
and then once you get to the second or third overtime,
you can only shoot three point shots. I mean, look,
you benefited from the overtime, but is it really the
best way to decide who wins the game? Yeah? You know,
I just think, you know, you look at the high
school overtime. Where do they put it at the ten
yard line? I think here in the state of Illinois.

(52:21):
You know, that's pretty tough, you know, on a defense
at the twenty five, you still have an opportunity as
a defense, you know, I really think to to get
a stop. It is what it is. I mean, I'm
a part of the a f C. A. I don't
think we've you know we I don't think we've talked
or or even visited about changing overtime rules in our game. Um,
there's no doubt it typically becomes h entertaining. I'd have

(52:44):
to look at the stats over time, but I'm not
sure there's a whole lot of multiple overtime games. It
just seems like one team ends up winning at first overtime.
But our guys were resilient. We found a way, and
it was so fun to watch him celebrate after the game.
It puts a hard fought week into into a great
rap up. And then you feel for the kids from
Michigan State. They fought their tails off too, and that
was a heck of a game. I know you're recruiting

(53:05):
against all these schools, so it's it's really hard. But
but for those of us who can't not only watch
every game but realize that the schedules are not balanced.
What's the best way to determine if there is who
the two the best or two best teams are from
the Big Ten. I bring it up because look, Penn
State has to go to Ohio State, whereas Wisconsin, Um,
they only play on the other side, they only play

(53:27):
Michigan Ones. Right, you guys had to play Penn State.
You guys had to play Michigan State. You didn't play
Ohio State. Uh, you don't play Michigan. But I'm in
an effort to try and because people are saying, hey,
look Big ten, Big ten is so good. I makes
you get two teams in Like that's great, But well,
what if Wisconsin wins a Big Ten championship? Then who
do you take? Ohio State or Penn State? Like, what's
the best way to decide this thing? Let the next

(53:50):
month play out. We got a lot of ball to play,
you know. I think it's you know, and that's what
hopefully you and your listeners are discussing in in debating
here Monday through Friday. But the Saturdays are going to
play themselves out. And you know, the way that I
see things here, it's gonna be one heck of an
amazing finish of the college football season. I mean, we

(54:10):
got a lot of teams, you know, at the top
of of of our game that are playing at a
very high level and every game is gonna matter for
a national championship opportunity. We're obviously out of it ourselves,
but um, you know, there's just a ton of ball
to be played and it should be just an exciting
month in November. What would it mean for you and
your team to go in Like, look, you say what

(54:31):
you want about Nebraska when they're down, they one last couple,
they seem to pick pick some things up to go
into Lincoln and beat the US huge. I mean, this
is you could argue the most loyal fan base that
there is in the country. Memorial Stadium is one of
those cathedrals of college football. Uh, it's gonna be rocking
and that that fan support that the Huskers have is

(54:52):
second to none. So we've got to handle that appropriately.
We've got to go on executing. We have not put
together a complete sixty minutes yet and find a way
to do at And you know, this is one of
the most story programs in the country. And I thought
they played outstanding against per Dow. They were down, you know,
that the two minute drive that they put on at
the end of the game to win in a way
they threw it on Saturday. It was incredibly impressive. And

(55:13):
I you know, it's a first year with coach Taco
on his defensive staff, and now they're halfway through the season.
You see him executing better, you see him making big
plays and and it just takes time anytime you have
that type of coaching change. I think they're playing their
best football the year right right now, and we're gonna
have our handsful without doubt. Well, listen, your team showed
an incredible fight to have the game close to being
one and then have it ripped from you and then

(55:35):
take it back and win it yourself against the really
well coached Michigan State team. It was. It was impressive
to watch. So congrats, save travels to Lincoln. We wish
you the best of luck this weekend. Thanks partner, appreciate you,
buddy told great fans all right, that's Pat Fitzgerald who's
the head coach of of Northwestern. Not like college because
they always have their their go to slogan, right, we
gotta have that in our goodbye right like a Fox

(55:58):
Fooch radio Every time I go and appear on somebody
like Clay Travis's show, or like on Colin show. Hey Colin,
thanks for having me on Fox Sports Radio, right, something
like that. What do you guys think? I love fits?
He's like one of those guys. Man, I totally play
for that guy. But it's it's interesting, like people say
there's no momentum in baseball, because well, look, the Dodgers

(56:21):
had a four run lead, then had a three run lead,
and the Astros came back, and the Astros had a
three run lead hanging to the bottom of the top
of the eight ninth inning, and the Dodgers came back.
Like no, no, that doesn't mean there's no momentum. Like, look,
there was a momentum in that Northwestern Michigan State game.
Northwestern was four yards away, they get a first down,
they run that clock pretty far down now right, they

(56:43):
run a down minute something to go, it's close to
being done, and then then they got then they got
him fourth and four on their own twenty five. But
you can't kick a field goal because they were down
in touchdown and Michigan States scored their game time touchdown
in a crazy play a thirteen yard completion, but all
the way across the field. But those are placed which
you think you have the game one and then you don't,

(57:04):
and then you're tired. You're going to overtime. Like man,
momentum was on Michigan State's side. Didn't mean momentum didn't exist.
It just means you had to figure out how to
get back on your side. Momentum is absolutely real, absolutely
really But I love what he said. It's see, let's
the last month play out the ridiculousness over saying who

(57:27):
the four teams are gonna be when half the teams
play each other. Let's let it play out. Dangel Williams
joins the show. Up coming next, Um, I'll ask him
about the Steelers apparently crushing the draft with ju Juice Smith?
Does that make mark? Should they have trademark? Tavis Bryant

(57:47):
and uh? And if the Cowboys are in fact back
now that Zeke is running so well, that's upcoming next
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(58:11):
in the Doug Gotlive Show, We're welcome, We welcome in
a two time pro bowler apenated for running back of
the Carolina Panthers the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's D'Angelo Williams. He
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uh uh boy, D'Angelo, I was, I'm looking around and
the team that I just I think everybody had a
high hopes for, and you warned me a little bit

(58:33):
before the season, and I agree with the idea. They
won so many close games. But but the Oakland Raiders
only scoring four team points, unable to maybe the maybe
it's we should be celebrating the Bills. But my disappointing
team of the weekend is the Raiders. Who's yours. My
disappointing team is in Miami Dolphins. I can't believe a

(58:55):
team can play that bad. Like I'm still trying to
see figure out like what they're doing, because this team
last year was so phenomenal because they took the get,
they took the game plans from the Cowboys where we're
not going to force our quarterback to try to win games.
But we're gonna let our running game keep us in
the games and eventually help us win games. But they're

(59:16):
not even handling the ball to a jail anymore. Like
I'm I'm I'm still trying to figure this out. Like
why when that more have been the quarterback? You've lost? Um,
you know, Jake Color. We don't know when Jay Color
is gonna be back. My unisopinion and things. Jake Color
was a man for the job to begin with, but

(59:37):
then you have that beast as the running back said
all types of records last year with two games back
to back to back, and then this year, like where
is he? Like are you gonna unleash him? You're throwing
all these interceptions. I mean, Baltimore defense outscored Miami's offense.
I'm gonna say that again. It's like Miami just came

(59:58):
out were they were awful. I mean simply awful. It's
it's hard, you know, but I guess my problem is
it's back to Thursday. Almost deleted that from my memory
because it was such a bad game. I didn't I
didn't so bad they scored Baltimore scored twenty one point.
Baltimore scored twenty one points on defense. The offense didn't

(01:00:19):
score many points for Baltimore, and everybody was all piste
off about the Kiko Alonso hit on uh Flacco. Yeah,
as if that determined the outcome of the game. Granted,
I'm a firm believer that it wasn't already hit because
defenders have to protect themselves because these quarterback nowadays and
they run, they want to get the lord of shoulder

(01:00:41):
and put these defenders on all types of uh social
media uh memes and stuff for that nature. So I
get why Kiko went low. I mean, he didn't know
that he was gonna slide. He was protecting himself from
the scrutiny of what it is the NFL has provided
for so many defenders they get ran. Oh but can't
they can't you go? Can't you go low while staying

(01:01:02):
on your feet? I think that my issue would be
more launching yourself, you know, to die, especially because remember
Keiko like a quarter before head, what's the tight end
for the Ravens who hurled him? Right? So this is
kind of keikose things. He goes and he just he
goes and launches himself at your legs, which I agree
is not technically dirty, but you're supposed to stay on

(01:01:23):
your feet and and his big mistake is he's diving
to people's legs. No, right, Well, he's not the only
one that does that, though. The linebacker around of the
Chandas City Chiefs is notorious for that. Johnson he does
it all the time. That's how he makes all of
his tackles. He never like hits you high and wrap
you up. He always at your legs. The difference is

(01:01:44):
he doesn't get the scrutiny that Keiko does because ko
is we know he's known for it, but a lot
of people don't necessarily believe that he's known for like
Johnson is. So it's it's just it's so when people like,
when you're labeled as that type of guy, you can
get away with it. But when you're not labeling as
that type of guy, then it's an issue, especially when

(01:02:06):
you hurt somebody. Uh. It just it all goes back
to ha, Flaco just got up. It has just been
a normal play. Same thing with the Green Bay Packer
quarterback in their Rodgers. He gets up. That's just a
normal play. But because there was some level of vulnerability
and he got hurt, then it's an issue. DSL Williams
joining us in the Doug Gottlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. What the hell was Travis Benjamin doing? I'm like, look,

(01:02:29):
I know you're trying to make a play and he's
a home run hitter, but to get the ball inside
the tent which said no, no, ball is going out
of bounty trying and then to run backwards and to
get a safety, like, you gotta have a little bit
more spatial awareness, don't you to to make that? Don't
you Where what did he play a football that? Do you? No?

(01:02:55):
I'm talking about where did he go to? What did
he play before he got to where he is right now?
Cleveland Browns? Right? Have they ever won anything there? No?
But I mean, like, look, he's not a He's not
he's a great return man, like I mean, this is football.
Want like he's a he's a great he's a great retairman,
because you say here, great return man. He returned one

(01:03:16):
this year? Okay, fine, good, good job. He's only returned
one in the last one three or four years. I
think he has more than that, don't he. He's got
a couple. I mean, he's he's look, he's a home run,
he's a he's a deep threat. He's a guy if
you give mccreeze, he can really really run. But I mean,
that's that's kind of basic football thing, and that that
severely Uh that would that cut out their knees? They

(01:03:38):
were playing pretty well, they've got in to stop and
awll a sudden, it was two points and then the
Patriots that's five point swing that ends up being essentially
the difference in the game. Yeah, I don't know what
some of these guys think. I'll give you a case
in point, and I don't mean to change the subject.
But so Switzer from the Cowboy, they kick it off,

(01:04:01):
he was expecting that was expecting their own time kick.
He didn't have any blockers. He catches the ball, he
runs to about the fifteen yard line that he takes
a knee. The commentators were like, they were so pissed
at this guy's taking that he took me there's like,
what is he doing? Why would you want to start
in the fifteen? Why don't you fight for the FU

(01:04:21):
already to get to the twenty? And then the special
team coaches going off on him on the sideline, And
I'm thinking from a player's perspective, if I'm down and
this is gonna be the game winning drive, I don't
want to be the guy that makes the mistake. And
I know that nobody's blocking from me because they thought
it was an onside kick. So my chances of costing
the ball up as a player goes up exponentially because

(01:04:43):
I don't have the blockers that I otherwise would have
had on a regular kickoff return. So he played a
smart move, business decision. But you can't make business decisions
as a rookie. And I've said this since day zero,
is it's easy to be tough with another man's body.
So hey, get in there and take that hitt? What whoa? Now?

(01:05:03):
Like are we playing smart football? That we're playing just
reckless an abandon because we have an opportunity to win
this football game now. Travis Benjamin, on the other hand,
I have no words for him, Like I don't understand
in that situation when you got Philip Rivers tossing the
rock around the way he's tossing the rock around too.
Put him in that situation like it was just it

(01:05:26):
was It was interesting, especially when they haven't beaten the Patriots,
and like, all right, help me out with this. The
Houston Texans taking a knee, they're clearly frustrated at what
their owner, Bob McNair said, And what I said on
Friday was like, look, you know, I know you can
personalize it, but this is an idiom that everybody's that

(01:05:46):
I know seems to know. Right. The inmates can't run
the asylum. Inmates can't run the prison. And within the
context of a private conversation, Troy Vincent obviously didn't take
it in the way which intended to apologize for it.
It comes out and dudes freak out over I mean
really freak out over it. Deshaun Watson left the facility
only then come back. They take a knee and protest

(01:06:07):
during the flag, which I mean, that's a you had
to know what was going on to to understand the protest.
As a former player, what's your takeaway from what Bob
McNair said. I I really, honestly and truly respect bogged
me there for saying what he said, because in actuality,
all the owners feel the same way. We've got to

(01:06:29):
make sure that we control the product. Don't let the
product control us totally understand that. I get that that's
what that's been the issue or the problem since uh
inception of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. The only problem
that I have now with the protest is is that

(01:06:50):
they've gotten away from the initial start of the protest.
So now if anybody in the NFL does or says
any thing that players don't like, they just take a nique,
which it completely takes away from what the need initially

(01:07:11):
stood for when he took it about social injustice. Now
it's it's against Trump. Now it's against Bob McNair. Now
it's against anything that we deem uh not like right
as opposed to just said, Hey, you know, I like
the fact that the players left the facilities. They should

(01:07:33):
have just left it at that. Hey, my protest is
is I don't like the fact that our owners said
what he said. We have that right to do that,
and we also have the right to the consequences that
uh we have to serve based on what he does
what he does, because he ultimately does sign our our paychecks.
So yes, I'll I'll give you thirty thousand dollars, I'm

(01:07:54):
gonna walk out, and I'm gonna show you that I
didn't agree with what you said. Now I can understand that,
but the hole taking the knee, it's just that's not
that's not what this protest is about. Like now you're
taking you're taking this protest to a whole another level.
Now it's it's it's completely different. It's not about social injustice,

(01:08:15):
it's not about it's just you pissed off it what
he said. Now you have people saying, you know, he
has freedom of speech. Players don't have freedom of species
taking knee. Like if you if you're for one and
not for the other one, that means one affect you
more than the other, because both of them exhibit freedom
of speech. So you have to be all or nothing, Like, yes,

(01:08:36):
it's okay for Bob to say what he said, and
it's also okay for the players to take a knee.
But at the same time, I've told people time and
time again that this is not one of those things
where you take the chord and you win. Like the
jury and the trial and the verdict to all be
read about the public based on ticket sales showing up

(01:08:58):
a game. They'll make that decision or whether or not
they agree or disagree with what Bob said, So it's
not a it's not up for debate within communities or
homes to say, hey, you know what you think about that,
what you think that the punishment should be. Well, the
punishment shouldn't be anything, because he has that freedom of speech.
The matter what how he said it or where he

(01:09:20):
said it, or when he said it, he said it.
He meant every bit of it. I was just piste
off that he apologized. Don't apologize or something that you said.
If I say something on if I say something on
social media, if I say something that you dug if
I say something to anybody and it hurt your feelings,
if it hurts your feelings on what I said, then

(01:09:41):
that's on you. But if you took what I said
the wrong way, then I'll help you understand what I
meant by without having to apologize to you because you
obviously took it the wrong way. But I'm not going
to apologize to something that I said because I said
it that may not meant it, but again that doesn't
You're you're not wrong, but that just doesn't. It's not

(01:10:02):
the world. The world in which we live in, people
take things the wrong way and they demand that you
immediately apologize, which by the way, he already had apologized
in person, and he is forced to apologize again and
I no, no, I know you do, but but we're
dealing Like, look, man, we've both been in locker rooms
a whole lot, Like like, guys don't What's what's weird

(01:10:24):
to me is most athletes I know, because of how
you bust chops with other dudes in the locker room.
You don't take You're not ultra sensitive, you're not super
you don't over you don't overreact to things. But it
feels like everything is so heightened now that when you
when you hear something, you automatically go to the negative.
And guys are frankly overreacting to something instead of taking

(01:10:46):
a breath. Wait, what do you mean by that? Okay,
you mean the players can't decide all the future of
the business, which is the team, and and and hearing
people out and said, we just we all overreact and
demand an immediate apology. And even that a here's to
not be enough. Well, you also have to understand this too,
like let's not let's not be uh, let's not be

(01:11:09):
naisy to what's going on in the world today, Like
social the social climate right now, anything that remotely resembles
racism or prejudice will be pushed to the forefront, no question.
But sometimes you care. But people assume racism when sometimes
it doesn't exist, right Like, within the context of a discussion.

(01:11:30):
I'll give you a case in point, uh, Doug, and
maybe just to help you understand what I'm saying and
help the listeners understand what I'm saying. So my battle
has always been with breast cancer and stepping out cancer
and things of that nature. Right. I had a local
reporter here in Charlotte, uh many moons ago say that

(01:11:52):
the reason why I don't have a job is because
I'm a cancer in the locker room? Would you not
say that based on what I just told you and
what my cause is attempt saying that, uh should that
that wouldn't affect you like that? Well, no, my dad,
My dad got a cancer. But I have not done
the amount of what I remember. I remember the pink hair,

(01:12:16):
I know I know about your mom, I know all
those things. So I think it's a poor choice of words.
I think it's a poor choice of words, but I
don't think it was a very poor It's a very
poor choice of words. So because it was a poor
choice of words, words like I honestly don't think he
should be punished for it, uh from an internal perspective,
But I do believe that the public, uh, the way

(01:12:40):
that they react is they react by either showing up
for the games, or don't show up for the game,
or don't buy jerseys. They'll be the one that that
push judgment or push punishment on Bob McNair. And I mean,
it's gonna come all at the at the expense of
the player. I'm not buying jerseys now, I'm not. I'm
not doing this, not doing that, So it ultimately is

(01:13:01):
gonna affect everybody in that building. All I'm saying is
is it was a horrible choice of words. But he
meant what he said in terms of not letting the
mmates run the prison. Do you think he meant it
in a racial way? I see. I don't know how
he meant it because I don't know the context. I
don't know Bob McNett personally, so I have no idea.

(01:13:23):
But given the situation and given the social climate in
the atmosphere that we're living in today, he should have
been very conscious of what was going on and what
throw out of his mouth? Because I reached out to
that reporter that said I was a cancer and I said, hey, man,
you know, I can find this article very disrespectful because
of what I didn't go out. I just told him,

(01:13:44):
I said, And he went in and he changed that word.
He said, man, I wasn't even thinking when I wrote
that article. And this is a Carolina Beat writer that's
been with me for nine years and wrote articles on
me fighting cancer. But but sometimes sometimes you don't think.
Sometimes sometimes your brain fart you don't even think about it.
So I uh so if you bright so if you
bran fart, you don't think you should be punished for it,

(01:14:05):
like in any way because you had a brain fart
and because you I think, I think in the social world,
I don't know. I mean, like it's a really common expression.
I mean inmates from the asylum and it makes frond
the prison whatever. It's really I don't know, it's a
really common expression. There's a lot of there's a lot
of common expressions like if you if if you were

(01:14:27):
to come out and say, you know, you got to
call a spade a spade, you don't think that that
expression right there means something a whole lot different than
what you meant. No, I think no, no, no, I
under I understand the social climate. I think the social
climate is way over way over sensitive, way overly sensitive
to and and so you go like, because you could

(01:14:50):
have said the tail adds a dog, are you calling
us dogs down? Like, no, that's not you know, it's like,
I mean that wouldn't have been taken. I completely agree,
But I also don't think it's to the point where
you want to walk out of the facility and essentially
look with Dwayne Dayne Brown called him racist. That's what
he said, like you know what it was like, he

(01:15:10):
without without offering up that he thought he was a racist,
and of course which allows those of us that way.
It was Durrayne Dwayne Brown really think this or does
he think this because he didn't get the money that
he wanted when he held out, Like, I don't know,
we don't know all these things. But I think assuming
racism just because of a guy says a very common idiom.
I think it's a really really dangerous way to a

(01:15:30):
really hard way to look your life, to live your life.
But if that, if that, if that idiom fit you
then then is it an idiom or is he really
saying what he he meant to say? Because hit me
out when I say this, so calling us in May
from Bob McNair, A lot of people that's on the
outside looking in, fans, fans of other teams, with the

(01:15:52):
rash of UH incidents that we have in the off season.
I never took it as a racial thing. I just
took it as him saying that because we're get into
trouble on our own time, like and we have a
rash of lock ups and and brushes with the law
that we were inmates. From that perspective, black white, green origin,
I didn't we we did, we gotta go. But I

(01:16:15):
just I looked at it as employees can't determine the
future of the business. And once you once you do
that without knowing all the different things in the in
the business landscape that are affecting the NFL's bottom line,
I think that's how you got to make decisions. That's
how I took I take him as a businessman, but
I don't know, I don't know enough about him. I
don't know, you know, right, That's what I'm saying. I

(01:16:37):
don't know enough about him either. So with us not
knowing enough about him, like it's it's tough for us
to say. But if he came out and he said
something otherwise like yeah, you do his past and he
had some racial issues in the past, does it change
what you your perception of him about the idiom that
a year maybe I don't know. A great stuff. As always,

(01:16:58):
we appreciate you joining us on Fox Sports Radio. As
D'Angelo Williams join us quick, let's get an update from
Dann by what's going on dance. We gate wraps up
tonight Broncos in Chief State thirty Eastern time. But this
afternoon in the NFL, it's a big day for Ezekiel Elliott.
He'll find out if his six games suspension will be
put into a factor, if it will remain on hold
from a New York judge. Judge has an option to

(01:17:22):
put a preliminary injunction on that six game ban Seahawk
safety Earl Thomas has a slightly pulled hamstring, suffered it
yesterday's win against the Houston Texans, according to head coach
Pete Carroll. While Leonard Fournette was back on the practice
field for the Jaguars today. Jacksonville had to buy in
week eight. He missed week seven because of that ankle injury.
Falcons running back DeVante Freeman will be limited in practice
this week with a shoulder injury. A couple of other

(01:17:44):
players banged up. Doug in the NBA, Karl Anthony Towns
is ill, but he's still expected to play against the
Heat tonight while those red hot Grizzlies take on the
Hornet center Marcus Ault dealing with a sprained ankle. He
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the baseball's juice. Sure feels that way. And Major rap

(01:18:49):
white head coach of Houston, who struggled early in the
year but now in his first year as their head coach,
just took down previously undefeated South Florida. His thoughts in
the national championship landscape upcoming first and now? All right,
Nick right? Uh, clearly watched one football game yesterday. He

(01:19:12):
actually Nick used to do radio in Houston, so he's
more invested in Houston than other places. And it was
a great game against Seattle where they lost to the
Seahawks and Russell Wilson led a comeback for the Hawks.
Here's his take if the whole league were free agents,
if everyone, if there's an expansion draft NFL folds new league,
those two guys right there are your first and your

(01:19:35):
second pick of everyone. That's no disrespect to my man.
Aaron Rodgers, but he's thirty four years old, he's injured
for the season. Russell Wilson never injured for the year.
DeShawn Watson plays his biggest and best, it seems in
his biggest and best moments. Those to me are the
two biggest assets in football. Did did Carson Wentz get

(01:19:56):
hit by a train? I wasn't? And And because as
Russell Wilson has not been hurt yet, suddenly, somehow that
means that Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers is just the
best quarterback we've seen in football. Like three weeks ago, well,
that's the best quarterback I've ever seen, which is what
I said actually in the off season and remains such. Um.

(01:20:19):
I think it's interesting how quickly we've decided that Dak
Prescott isn't that good. I like to Shaun Watson. I
think what they're able to do with him as a
rookie is fantastic. But he did have three picks yesterday,
did he not? Yeah? And we have a small sample
size yet, So while I'm all for kind of the

(01:20:39):
next generation of guy, I think Derek Carr is right there.
I think Carson Lenz is right there. I still think
look I watched Tom Brady yesterday in a clean pocket.
I know he's ancient and you might, but like dude,
Tom Brady is still an incredible quarterback. I don't know
if either of those guys will ever be Tom Brady,
and neither of them as of now, or Aaron Rodgers

(01:21:00):
and oh yeah, by the way, we have a limited
sample size on on Deshaun Watson. He's running a college offense.
This is what r G three did. There's some similarity.
Tebow took the league by storm, Vince Young took the
Scott Mitchell took the league by storm. I think de'angela
that Deshaun is different. I really do. I think he's different,

(01:21:22):
but I won't know until I have about a year
and a half or two years of data in order
to make that decision. So it sounds really good, but
I don't think anybody's taken either of the two ahead
of Aaron Rodgers and frankly, I don't think either has
taken ahead of Carson Wins. And that's just two of
the many To get to Stug got leave show Fox

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Sports Radio. All right, we're gonna do a little um
baseball and football back to back up coming next, does
it feel like the balls are juiced to anybody else?
Dallas Kaiko said it last week. I'm watching those home runs,
uh go out last night and thinking, come on, man,
I'm not gonna fall for the banana tailpipe again. We'll
ask Matt Holiday. Let's we'll ask him about mismanaging a

(01:22:03):
bullpen next in the Doug Got Lip Show, Doug Got
Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. So, Uh, I have taken
over coaching my son's AU team. We have a tournament
this upcoming weekend. Now he's only eight years old. It's
tenant under, so he's a little fella and I you know,
he'll play something. He's a scrapper. He's still kind of
figuring it out. But my dad was a longtime college coach,

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coach some professionally, and coached in AU basketball, high school
basketball forever forever. And one of the things I learned
from him is like, when you play an AU tournament,
you're playing two or three games in a day, like
it's a marathon, not a sprint, And so you've gotta
be very very cautious, very cautious when you have a

(01:22:50):
game in hand, Uh to not use all the gas
in the tank. One you gotta make sure that the
players at the end of your bench get in they
still feel part of it. You never know when you're
gonna need them. You don't want to play them too much,
because there's a reason they're on your bench, and there's
a reason you're starters your starters, But you have to
you have to kind of navigate the fact that at

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some point you're going to get super fatigued. Like in
AU basketball, some times in the summer you're playing a
hot jim, you're playing two or three games in a day,
and kids get really excited because the competition. Because the
coaches that are watching you gotta make sure you don't
you don't, you know, use all that all that gas
in their tank. I feel like among the things Dave

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Roberts has done that I disagree with, it's people thought
I was crazy when I said Kenny Jansen wasn't needed
in Game one they had a two run lead. You
can always bring him in with one out and runner
on keep him. You have to know. In the World Series,
we look Joe Madden unless you're nearly butchered it for
the Cubs because he only used three guys out of

(01:23:52):
the pen, and those guys were gassed at the end
of a Game seven World Series. And while Dave Roberts
hasn't experience in himself as a manager, all you have
to do is study history, use those guys as little
as possible early on, or when you have a big
lead like you did in Game four, don't use him.

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Don't use him. Well, that's what we always thought. That's
the regular season. The postseason is different, and I thought that,
you know, the sacrifice bunt that didn't go well, the
miscommunication at third base when they should have sent Chris
Taylor home. Nonetheless, they still tied it up in the
top of the ninth inning, an unbelievable comeback, but Clayton

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Kershaw not being able to hold on the lead. Too
many walks, too many home runs, an incredible hitting lineup
of the Astros, and the Astros have a three games
to to lead, and then you have a discussion about
the baseball. So let's bring in Matt Holiday, seven time
All Star, four time Silver slugger, most recently with the
New York Yankees joining us in the Doug golip shlways
joined us every day of the of the of the
World Series. Um, you I funny. I brought this up

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last week. You played in Game six of the eleven
World Series. You got hurt in that game. I remember
you were watching. You told me you watched that game.
Was it from the training room you watch that game
or from the from the from where you guys hit
or something. There was a spot that you didn't want
to move because it was good luck, right, yeah, the
video video room right off the dugout and Saint Louis.

(01:25:21):
How does last night's game as a as a spectator
compared to Game six that you you played in, Well,
obviously it's a lot more hectic when you're when you've
got skinning the game and you're you're you're riding the
highs and loads of every out and every kip or
every um playing the game. But as as far as

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the excitement and the you know, the back and forth
and when you think it's going one way and it
goes another way, I think it's right there as far
as you know how crazy the game it was, and
like I said, somebody, you think, well, yeah, now it's
over for nothing, you know, kershaw pitch and it's over,
and then the nastro has come back to make time
and then they get them. Believe you think, oh, well,
now it's definitely over. And then they hit another three

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and you think, well, now the Ashes are gonna win
for sure. And then sure enough, you know, is just
the homer. And then they get a gun and then
nice feel a base and they hit a double, and
then you know it's just surely it's over now, and
then it's not. Um. I think it was pretty similar
to that game, and I've been them. Okay, let's let's
start with Kershaw. Uh. The narrative was not a great

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postseason picture, unbelievable regular season picture. Pitched an absolute gem
in Game one, including getting through the seventh inning. Uh,
up for nothing, and then starts with the leadoff walk right,
then a four four and then he's up seven four
and of course walks to and Maeta comes in and
gives up the home run. What are your thoughts on
Kershaw last night and what went so wrong? You know?

(01:26:48):
To me, I don't know whether he was tired, but
you have a walk I thought was strange. I mean,
he doesn't typically struggle, you know with walking guys, and
typically if if one pitches, doesn't have command of saying spider,
he's got his command of his curveball. He's got something
to go to to get back into count. And it
looked to me like he just he couldn't find anything

(01:27:09):
to get him back into account and and he just
got kind of put into a barrel where he had
to throw his fastball over the big part of the plate. Um.
You know, then then you know you to like you said,
you put your your your game in the hands of
a tired bullpen, and you kind of force your manager's
hand by walking guys and getting based on this traffic
on the basis, uh, you give the manager a chance

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to take you out, which um surprises me about Clayton
in in that scenario. I don't figured that if he's
gonna go down, he's gonna go down getting knocked out
of the game as opposed to walking guys and and
and putting it in the in the Dave Roberts's hands.
So I was I was surprised by by by how
that happened. Did did Dave Roberts have any choice? He
walks to, let's let's go to when he got taken

(01:27:54):
out of the game, he walks too. But I mean
and and my Ada had been pitching well in the
series on the other hand, that that's not nearly necessarily
myda's role. And you got Clayton Kershaw did at the
time in which it happened, you're watching the game, not now.
Obviously now is a mistake, but at the time which
had happened, did you think it was the right thing
to do. I never want to take out my horse,

(01:28:17):
you know, for me, I would have left him in.
And I said it at the time as watched the
game with with my dad and and a couple of
my boys, um and I said, I wouldn't take Kershaw out,
especially as taxed as their bulletin is. Because the faster
you take Kursy out, you know, the quicker you've got
to bring in my ada, the quicker you have to
bring in somebody else on top of him, and then

(01:28:39):
you may have to go to Jansen before you want to.
And so for me, if you're gonna lose the World
Series or you're gonna lose the game, you know, a
big game in the Game five, a swing game, so
to speak, I would really lose that with Clayton Kershaw
getting knocked out. And and you know, I could sleep
better knowing that I left Clayton Kershaw and and and

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this hall of same picture in the print of his career.
Then I can um ultimately ended up having to use
the four other pictures. And you know, like you said,
I mean, h I saw at the time, if I'm
gonna go down, I'm gonna go down with all right.
I thought that the worst decision he made was the
Brandon Morrow thing, because Morrow had never pitched on uh,

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you know, in three consecutive days. Here was Dave Roberts.
Here was Dave Roberts after the game when he was
asked why he decided to use moral. Uh, he called
down and said that he felt good. He was throwing today,
felt good and uh he called the middle of the
game and said, hey, if we take the lead, I
want to pitch. I want the ball. My body feels good.
And um so in the seventh inning right there. Um,

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you know, you can't turn him down. He felt good.
He wanted to be in the game. And it's a
credit to him to be used like he has been
and want the baseball. Okay, it's a credit to him.
And he wanted the baseball. How did he not know
that he had nothing? I mean, he nothing, mad, I
think that that's got to happen before the game. I
don't mean that, you know, I don't every one of the
the second guest people. But I don't know. I don't

(01:30:07):
understand how that conversation happened in the middle of the
game in the seventh thing. Like to me, that's always
been something that's decided before the game. Like, uh, you
know you've pitched, you don't in a row, you sell
a lot of pictures. You're either available or unavailable. Why
don't you go out and play catch? Um, you know,
do some platground stuff and tell me if you're available
for one out, two outs, let me let me know

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how you feel, and not an emotional decision at some
somere o'clock in the afternoon, I think to let a picture.
Um make an emotional decision that he wants the ball,
you know, in the seventh inning, after he's watching the game.
I don't know. I don't know that I've seen that,
and I was surprised, Um that you make a decision

(01:30:48):
the guy is not available, and then he calls down
and says he is available. Um, he went dire straits.
Put me in, coach, I'm ready to play instead of
center for your picture right like you could if you
could hear that, he like put me in coach, I
want in this thing. And as a as a manager
like and look, you played for some of the best
you played, how would Tony do it? Like? I remember

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remember Tony, he was in that Ranger series right when
he it was how do you say it was Revsinski?
He he he butchered Chinski, but he butchered his name
like he called the bullpen. And I don't know if
he could hear or what he actually said, but but
how does how does Dave Robert style differ from some
of the guys you've played for? You know, I think

(01:31:33):
it's it's it's kind of a new age bullpen stuff.
I mean, Tony was obviously a little more old school,
and we did use the bullpen a lot with Tony.
He was a guy that that kind of was ahead
of his time as far as he's in a bunch
of different bullpened guys and maybe going to the bullpen
earlier than some of the old school managers. But I
think Tony was one of those guys that you know,
if Chris carsenters on the mound, Adam Wayne Runner his

(01:31:57):
horse and one of these horses on the mound. He
had a lot of faith and what Yadi and Chris
Carpenter thought about how things were going. If he went
to the mound and Chris Carpenter said, I'm not giving
you the ball more, you know, almost every time he
walked back to the dugout, and I think Tony relied
heavily on Yadi. You would say, Yadi, what's he got?
Andy didn't say, I don't, I don't. I don't think

(01:32:18):
you should send him back out or he's good, uh
leading man? And I think that that was one thing
that Tony allied heavily on Yadi for. So UM, I
think that that's a little bit different like and and
nowadays I think they rely more on numbers and the
things that um are less kind of classical. But um,
I think that that's probably the main difference. I was again,

(01:32:39):
I don't have a privilege that what Dave Roberts, how
he managed that theyver played for him. I know he's
a great guy, and more of my experience and being
around him, and he's a smart baseball man. Um and
and these are these are very second guessable decisions. So well,
I I guess I guess there's two things here that
I feel like a couple of things gotten exposed. I
think the the analytics thing has gotten a little bit

(01:33:01):
exposed here, as both of it had tried to use it,
and it's just really hard to apply it when you
have this level of fatigue and you have this level
level of pressure, and then you got Then there's the
baseball thing, and you you didn't think that that you
didn't notice anything different about the baseball. You said last week,
why don't we just cut them both open. There's gotta
be a way to measure it. When you watch the

(01:33:22):
home the the number of home runs and some of
the swings that are leading to home runs, and how
far some of these balls go, like, there has to
be something rattled around going. Hold on, now, there's something
going on with this baseball. Now, Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm
starting to maybe think that that might be something. You know,
I would watch some of the home runs, like you said,
I mean, um, these guys are all great hitters and

(01:33:44):
very strong and and and things. But I thought the
kore At home run, how high it was bad? I
thought I didn't think I had any chance. And I
obviously it's the short porch out there, and then you know,
y'all see a fully reaches out and hit the change
of literally with one hand. Most of the time say oh,
he hit that with one hand, and he watched the
replay and at slow motion he had both hands on

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and then kind of let's go after contact. But it
looked to me like literally he let go before contact
and off the bat. I thought that might sneak into
the corner and then next thing you know, it's it's
in the bleachers. So I don't know, maybe there is
something to the ball thing if if it's you know,
it seems to be kind of a um, a growing
thought among pictures. I know, they don't love it, um

(01:34:26):
and and the more you hear people talking about it,
I'm not really buying the slickness with the ball thing. Uh.
You know, most of them used pine tar and uh,
sunscreen and sticky stuff to get the you know, the
grip that they want anyway, so maybe they just do
a little bit more of that. Um. But I I
I'm starting to come around to the fact that the
ball might be flying more and maybe there's something to that. Alright,

(01:34:48):
last thing you've been in the situation before, right down
three games to two. Um, how what what is that
day before? Like they got Bverdland or to go against,
but they are at home and when and eighty eight
when the Dodgers want, they've been down three games to
a matter of fact, eight of the last eleven teams
have been down three games to have come back and
won the World Series. What's this day like for these
guys knowing what they're up against. Yeah, I think they

(01:35:11):
feel pretty good going home. I'm guessing, you know, going
back to their home stadium, their home environment. Um, they
feel pretty good. They they scored, they were able to
get Um, you know, they have some good at Bath
against Rylander and and they've seen him once now it
was just a few days ago. So um, I think
that that the first few innings, Um, you know, kind
of relief you get an early lead, or you get

(01:35:32):
a couple of runs or run off Earland or early
in the game and kind of allows you to breathe
a little bit, um rich Hill, if you can go
out and give them an inning or two of zeros
to kind of let the offense take a breath and
not start pressing. I think that's a big advantage for
for the home team to kind of be able to
take the breath and try to score first and and
kind of take a little bit of pressure on for
a hill um and not have to go to the

(01:35:54):
bullpen early and and not have to sort of trying
to figure out if you want to go to your
know your game seven starter in relief in game six
and all those things. So I think the early part
of the game was very interesting. Matt, great stuff, awesome perspective,
and I can't wait to watch six. Maybe we'll see seven.
But it's been unbelievable for your sport. And appreciate you

(01:36:16):
joining us and breaking it down for us. Alright's Matt Holiday.
Seven time All Star, four time Silver slugger from football
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friend Nicki Collins just named head coach of the Atlanta
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(01:38:05):
NBA and the w n B A and U a
guy who he was in school right around when I
was in school. Man he helped Texas take kind of
back the big twelve. Uh major Apple White's gonna join
us in mere moments. We'll talk about his Houston squad
and how in his first year it wasn't it wasn't
perfectly smooth. It wasn't, but you work some things out,

(01:38:29):
you get in the league, play, you get a shot
at at a big scalp, and that big scalp was
South Florida and scoring fourteen in the fourth quarter after
losing the last two to Tulsa and Memphis. The the
end of the season kick where the the schedule kind
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(01:38:51):
you could see Houston put together another potential another eight
nine ten wins season. Let's welcome in major app white
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(01:39:12):
the golf course at the end of the month. Tiger
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It's gonna be Tiger's first competitive action in nine months.
He underwent spantal fusion surgery in April. Just got cleared

(01:39:33):
by doctors a couple of weeks ago. Tiger Woods to
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strong sponsor. Okay, speaking of strong, strong wind by the
coogs have Houston did you know they were? I think
it was fourth in twenty four? They had a fourth
in twenty four that they converted Derrek King converted on
their final drive, uh, to lead a huge win over
South Florida and Major Rapwide. Joins us the head coach,

(01:40:16):
the Houston Cooks joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Fourth in? That's is that fourth in California?
Is that the that's the technical expression? Isn't four? Fourth
in Texas? All right? So what was the play? Fourth
in Texas? Throw it up? No? We uh it was
it was too long to call the normal player. You
don't have one of those in your playbooks to your

(01:40:36):
best athletes, they can get up and make a play,
and they did. What's that like, especially considering the two
game losing streaks your first team, Uh, you know, you
really and and the team you guys had started. You
scored a touchdown the previous drive to to tie the game,
and they go on a ten play drive sixty four
yards kick a field goal to were almost felt like
some of the air came out of the balloon. What's

(01:40:58):
that feeling like on the sideline, especially considering you've been
the quarterback in that situation so many times during your
career at Texas. What's that feeling like, Well, there was
still a time out, you know, there's still time out left. Um,
you know, there was the way the wind was blown.
It wasn't guaranteed that we were gonna get kicked out
of the back of the end zone. Um. We had
lost our our starting return earlier in the game with

(01:41:18):
a concussion, so we had a new returner in there.
But we felt like we had a good return And
to me, it was simply about getting good deal position
and then you know, being cognisant of the clock and
knowing how to use your time out to get a
field goal to put it into overtime. And so there
was plenty of time, but you just had to make
sure you play penalty free. You know, we're smart with
the clock, and your quarterback understood the situation, and um,
you know, we got in a situation after a sack

(01:41:39):
where we had to burn our time out and then
obviously you had to make the play on fourth and
twenty four. But once that was made, Um, how he
managed the next three or four plays, you know, setting
us up for his His play to score was tremendous
for a guy not being in that situation very much. Look, man,
you're a real cerebral guy that this is not this
is not your first rodeo in terms of being around teams,
being around successful teams. But it's if when you're head

(01:42:00):
coach and you kind of learn and evolve as you grow,
as your team has improved here over the season, what
do you learn about yourself as a coach during that
two game losing stream well, and talk to the team
about it. It's it's more games are lost than not one,
and it's and as things that coaches and players do,
and it's it's whether it's a lack of discipline, not
finishing on the play and and there were some opportunities

(01:42:22):
in the third and fourth quarter against Tulsa to take
control of that game again the way we had in
the first half, and we didn't, and we and we
and we lost the game. We we lost it as players,
as coaches and players. And then the same thing in
the Memphis in the second half in terms of just
doing the right things, not putting the ball in special
teams and guys hands that can hurt you. And you
learn things as a coach there um. You know, from

(01:42:44):
a special team standpoint, we kicked the ball away from
a guy who had been dangerous on film, and then
after two kicks of kicking away from we kick it
back and makes us pay you And you learn those
things and then you fix those things amongst your staff
and make sure that they don't pop up again. And
you try to take the or out of the football
game for the player, so all he has to do
is just play fast to go execute his assignment, and

(01:43:05):
you play clean. From a coaching standpoint, you know, it's
interesting u um uh as uh as. You know, for
people who don't know, Houston had a seventeen nothing lead
against Memphis week before, you're playing Memphis. Memphis scores forty
two in the second half, and that would that would
crush a lot of teams. That's just I mean, you
know that that's a gut punch, um. But the ability

(01:43:27):
to not only bounce back, but to do so against
what most people consider the elite team of the league.
How do you how do you do the outsider? How
do you explain the difference in the second half against
Memphis and the ability to have a better second half
against probably a better team in South Florida. Well, I
don't know if it's a better team because there's a

(01:43:48):
lot of him good teams in our league. Um, it's
hard to judge. But but but to your to your point,
I mean, it's again going back with the team and
this is how we lost it and just being brutally honest,
you know, this is how we lost it as coaches, guys,
this is how we lost his players, you know, in
terms of everybody doing their job. And uh, I thought
our team understood that, our team fights, They played damn hard,

(01:44:08):
so they were really piste off. I mean they were
piste off that we've given two games away and sit
in the locker room, locker room in halftime against South Florida,
it was hey, we're right where we thought we were
gonna be. We talked about this, we've we've we said
this all week. We're gonna get in the game with
him and then we're gonna see how we're gonna finish it.
And it takes a lot of people besides the head coach.
It takes coordinators, staff members, uh, senior leaders, junior leaders, playmakers.

(01:44:32):
It takes everybody on that sideline to be prepared for
the late rounds and and that's where the credit goes
is everybody buckled up and and and finished. And we
we we said it, you know, Doug, we said it.
We can play with anybody, probably except for Alabama, but
as can we finish on people. And you know that's
the bottom line, is that we're gonna get in a
fight and we're gonna find out Saturday in Tampa if
we can furnish a game. You know, it's it's it's

(01:44:53):
fascinating because obviously South Florida is coached by a guy
who's one big back when he's at Louisville and you
know he's at your old moderate Texas and we mentioned
Norvil and Montgomery's a tremendous coach at Tulsa, you know,
beating you guys the week before, and of course we
know how well regarded you are. Like like the American
is a I don't even know, wanting to say it's
a sneaky conference, Like there's some there's some ridiculous coaching

(01:45:15):
staff and a lot of talent, especially sending the offensive
side of the ball a ton of speed. How would
you describe the league to people who don't pay attention
week in, week out to what's on the field. Well,
I mean just having coached in the Big Twelve for
a while, Um, you know it's there's there's just a
lot of parody from top to bottom. Anybody in this
league can get you. Um, you know, there's there's there's

(01:45:37):
nobody that you go into and say, now, this is
a win. You know, I can go ahead and write
this on the schedule, this is a win that There's
none of that in this league. There's highly accomplished coaches.
You know, whether we just look at our side. You know,
when there's Chad Morris who have success at Clemson. Where's
still Montgomery had all success at Baylor. Willie Fritz termed
multiple programs around UH coach Neo Monston Navy Norvell was

(01:45:59):
the Arizona State Tulsa with his offense and has done it.
I mean there's you just go down the list, got
process chartally strong. You know, Jeff Collins with the defenses
at Florida. There's a lot of you know what I'm
leaving out. You know Randy Etsel, who has gone to
BCS balls in the league. Now, like this is like
it's like it's literally a crazy list of coaches in
this You know they're talking about Frost from Nebraska or

(01:46:21):
or Florida, talking about Norvielle for all these jobs. Obviously
you kind of go down these lists and these are
all the names. They're all in this one league, right,
and it's just and there's just so many players in
this region, whether it's as far west as Texas or
as far northeast as the Virginia area, there's just so
many players in that big twelve um sec a CEC
region that just can't they can't all be signed. And

(01:46:43):
and you know, as as many recruiting services are as
there are out there, there's a lot of players, and
it's just you can find them a lot easier nowadays.
There's just so much there at your fingertips because of
the technology. So these guys end up playing quarterback and
you get a wide receiver and you pare him up
with that quarterback and you find a past Russ Roan
and and a guy that can cover the next thing
you know, you're a nine one team. Yeah, So it's it's, uh,

(01:47:05):
it's kind of a recipe. There is there is one
other part that you're you're leaving out Major apple White
joining us in the Doug gotlip show. It's that kind
of buy in factor, right. It's the where you can
say it as many times you want, you can have
those meetings you had in between games, but until it
actually happens, oftentimes there's not that buying when you came in,
When you come into the locker room after the win

(01:47:27):
in Tampa against South Florida, did you sense that, all right,
all these guys, all the things we've been saying they
had to do, would put them in a position to
beat a team like South Florida. They did and we
end up winning the game. Did you get the sense
that you had accomplished that last task, which was winning
that close to the game and getting that buy in factor? Yeah,

(01:47:47):
I thought, you know, from from the buying standpoint, the kids,
of all kids, the young men have always bought in.
I think they actually started to believe in themselves, like
we can we can play with anybody like we've done,
and now we can finish against anybody. And I think
it was more of a belief factor. Whether it's making
free throws in the last minute, or it's closing out
the last three outs or you know, finishing part. It's

(01:48:12):
all right, I did it. I did it, you know,
and they've always believed in the in the program and
the process of what we're doing. But they think the
self belief was good. And I think it was good
from a staff standpoint, with so many new guys on
the staff to close a game like that, a conference
game against a really good team on the road that
we can pull together as a group of players, we
can pull thegethers as a staff, and we can go

(01:48:32):
get a great team and program win. Yeah. Well, listen,
after bouncing back from you know, uh, taking away that
seventeen point lead and holding South Florida, I know you
know this below thirty for the first time since November
of two thousand and fifteen, shutting down the offense, the
defense stepped up, and what an incredible game, incredible fourth
down completion whatever that whatever you want to call that

(01:48:52):
play you gotta make it like that's that's gonna be
a part of your playbook now, right, Like you gotta
call that I know Tampa or something like them. Also
also a good answer. Meanwhile, hey, look we're paying attention.
Congratulations on the wind and thanks for joining us. Thanks,
I appreciate all right, that's a major appway And he's
supposed to go go Coog's at the end, Let's go
go Cougs. That's young coach right there, He's gotta go

(01:49:14):
go Coog's. Fourth in twenty four. I don't if you
guys saw the play Boys in twenty four, just drop back,
chucking up your best wide receiver and go make a play.
Fourth in Texas where everywhere else they call it forth
in California. Third in California, Dan Buyer, So, Dan, we
got Tiger playing. When's that tournament comes up in a month.
It'll start November. And actually Doug used to be played

(01:49:36):
out here in southern California at Sherwood Country Club and
then was moved for a year to Florida. Now they
hold it into the Bahamas, but an eighteen player field,
very unlimited, but the top players in the world. Tiger
will be one of them playing. It's yes. Tiger Woods
announced today he is returning to competitive golf, playing in
his first tournament nine months, coming up on November through

(01:49:58):
early December at the Hero World Channel. Tiger head spinal
fusion surgery in April just got cleared by doctors a
few weeks ago and now is going to give it
a go in about four weeks, Tiger Woods returning to
the golf course. Well Ezekiel Elliott returned to the football
field in the near future. We could find out as
soon as today. The Cowboys running back in a New
York courtroom today waiting to hear if a judge will

(01:50:19):
place a preliminary in junction and block his six games suspension.
If that suspension remains in place, that means zeke suspension
would start immediately. That would mean he wouldn't be able
to come back until week fifteen. Now, the Cowboys have
the Chief's coming up next weekend, Chiefs have other matters
to deal with. Tonight, they take on the Broncos to
wrap up Week eight at eight thirty Eastern time. Ravens

(01:50:40):
head coach John Harbaugh said today the quarterback Joe Flacco
is showing no symptoms from the hit that he took
on Thursday night and is on track to play in
Week nine against the Tennessee Titans. Well Bears tennant Zach
Miller remains hospitalized after emergency surgery to repair he damaged
artery and his left legs suffered and yesterday's lost to
the Saints. It was a dislocated left knee, but the

(01:51:00):
surgery took place yesterday. Miller remains in New Orleans with
Bears medical personnel had gou. John Fox said today that
Miller is doing well. They took a vein from one
of his good legs to repair the injury in the
left leg. Zach Miller remaining hospitalized in the NBA I
watched at least seven times. Well, this was part of

(01:51:21):
the problem with that injury. By the way, Karl Anthony
Town's sick, but he's gonna play tonight for the Timberloves
against the Miami Heat. Doug Fox said in the broadcast.
I don't know if you had the sound on that
they weren't gonna show the replay because of how gruesome
it was, but because it was to show it like
five or six more times to find out if the

(01:51:42):
actual ball was caught or not. So you're trying to
focus on the ball, but then maybe you're looking at
the leg. But they even said that like, we're not
going to show you the injury just because of the
graphic nature of it. But yes, they ended up then
having to show it because of the replay. That was
some nasty, nasty stuff, by the way, I buyer. Did
you hear what I said about that Lakers game on Halloween? Okay,

(01:52:05):
so Halloween tomorrow night? Right? Plus Game six of the
World Series is tomorrow night. And if you haven't been
paying attention, it's okay in your area if it's not
a big thing. I can't explain how big this Dodger
thing has become in l A. Like it got a
fifty share last night. That is that is, uh, almost
one and a half times what the Lakers would get
when they were last in the NBA finals. It's it's

(01:52:27):
an unbelievable number. Uh. And like, look, people love basebook,
l A gets a really bad rap. They're like, oh,
people know ll I don't care about su. It's not true.
Dodgers have led the league in attendance the last five years,
drawing over three point seven million people, and the Angels
draw over three million people every year. Soccer draws well,
football draws relatively, Like the football teams just started here.

(01:52:48):
Um and you got college football's well a lot of
stuff anyway, fifty shares crazy? See if the Dodgers game
six for Landard plus you have Halloween. I was told
like three rows back at Staples Pistons, Lakers hundred bucks
right now? Yeah, like it's the night. Like if you
ever wanted to go and sit down where all the

(01:53:10):
famous people sitting here, Like hell, they try these seats out.
Christen does what's up? Girl? What's up? We're going out
out for what's up? Kristen? I just throwut Christine's thing
on mind? Leo? What up? Leo? What up? You couldn't
have gotten Jack. There's no way Jack is going. Jack
is not going to Halloween unless he came rest. You know,

(01:53:32):
you ever dance with a devil by the pale moon light?
Do you think it comes dressed as a joker? Jack
shows up to three games a year, opening night, when
the Warriors come to town, and when the Calfs come
to town. That's that's it now. I think how old
is Jack? How old is Jack? Sorry? John was doing
his ban imitation eight two in my ear? Okay, let

(01:53:59):
me hear you're ban imitate in their ramas? Yeah come
yeah you can't. Yeah, you can't do that to me?
What is it? Bin? But by the way, don't people
want to see Cantavious Calldwell Pope going against his former team?
I mean, isn't that isn't that the isn't that the
draw for tomorrow? Isn't it Hannah from above? What was

(01:54:19):
he called by Rob Polinka? Yeah, he has been anything
but Hannah from Above. That's like the like Rob Polinka,
give it a rest. Do you want to talk about
a guy who's not evaluating players all that? Well? Yeah,
are you gonna give me your vein or what not? Today?
Good day that I'm still in morning from the game
last night. So I will say this, Doug Pelp from

(01:54:42):
three seven the field go ahead. When I moved to
southern California, one of the things that was surprising was
how much this area love the Lakers and love the
Dodgers and Angels like it was really surprising. And I
know you've called out people who are saying Dodger fans
are band waged with their attendance numbers, and it truly

(01:55:03):
is like they do love the Lakers. Here. Orange County
loves the Angels, and l A loves the Dodgers, and
there's lots of people like me their turn coach, you know. Here.
Here's here's the honest thing. Okay, I was in New
York before Yankee fans and Met fans are not. You
can't they they you might have some respect for the
you don't like the Yankees, you're Mets fan like here
really care like Freeway Series is not contentious in any way. Uh,

(01:55:27):
it's not like you might not love the Dodgers, but
you don't mind the Dodgers, right. Just it's not really
it's not really a competitive landscape. It's it's different fan bases.
But I don't think that. I don't think Angel fans
can't appreciate the Dodgers, like the Dodgers want to bring
a championship to southern California? Is there a certain arrogance
the Dodgers a little bit? I think they didn't like

(01:55:49):
them back when the mccourts when they spent all that
money and went after Manny and it was Manny would
and they and even when this group took over and
they threw a bunch of money at people, Uh initially
to go it now because you have so many young
players that aren't making a ton, I feel like you
have a little bit a little bit more of an
organic fan base. And or Gan Fallow, I don't know,
I just I don't think it's like other places where

(01:56:13):
you know, Jet fans and Giant fans aren't the same.
Met fans and Yankee fans aren't the same. And you
can't like you have to like one or the other.
It's not really that way in Los Angeles, don't care
that much. Well, Andrew Luck sit out the entire season.
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(01:56:37):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. The baseball thing is
so weird with the scoring and whatever where Like, Look,
Kershaw wasn't great, but I don't know, four and two thirds,
and he had he had two outs, he had runners
in first and second, and you take him out of
the game, and so MyAnna comes in, gives up the

(01:56:59):
home run and that goes down. That goes down on
Kershaw's numbers. Right by the way, Brandon Morrow, his infinity
last his your a last night had to be infinities,
right right. I mean he threw six pitches, five or strikes,
He gave up four hits, four runs. First pitch he
through has not landed yet. It was it was like

(01:57:21):
that brad Lidge pitch to Albert Pools. Remember that one anyway, Yes,
I love when pitchers throw a pitch it gets just
jacked out of the park and they look around like,
oh what, like they have no idea what just happened? Like, no,
you just got bombed by a pitch. And then you
do it again and you look around it. I don't
know what's going on. Yeah, we know what's going on.
You're horrible. Well, you know. The one thing is like,

(01:57:45):
look that that played. The ball flies out of that place, okay,
and the balls appear to have something that may appear
to be something tightly wound. But the what's his name
hit the home run off of the Cuban kid who
got in trouble for like Guriel who hit the home
and off of Kershaw? Like can you imagine hitting a
home run off of arguably the best pitcher in baseball

(01:58:07):
and it's such a shot that the left fielder doesn't
move right like Kershaw didn't even turn around, and the
left fielder didn't even move, didn't move. Let's get to
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last night. I tried to convince my wife that the
Astros train was actually donated by the band train at
Minute Made Park. She did not believe me, though, so
she did not She did not fall for that tale.
Minute Made Park. By the way, is uh, it's only

(01:58:48):
fourteen in terms of home runs per at bat Park factors.
Part of it, though, is that they actually have really
really good starting pitching. There so hard to tell anyway,
Go ahead, so tell me um. Following back surgery in April,
Tiger Woods says he will return to play the hero
World Challenge of the Bahamas coming up at the end
of November. You have Tiger's back. It's probably about as

(01:59:10):
bigger the crowd that you're gonna see in the Bahamas
for the events, eighteen players and all. It's a tough
spot to get to. I'm telling you. You under went
spinal fusion surgery in April to alleviate paint in his
back and leg, the fourth back procedure that Tiger has had,
and this one could be it, Doug. Some golf experts
out there saying, if this doesn't work, this could be
the end for tiger Woods. It could be, But I

(01:59:31):
I continue to believe you can't be too old to
golf and you can't be too drunk to fish. So
if there's a comeback in any sport, golf is the
one in which you could see one. I'm still a
tiger Wood stockholder, and if he wins a major, I
will cash in that stock and feel very good. Event.
Listen to those waves crashing along the Atlantic on a
beautiful afternoon in the Bahamas. Ezekiel Elliott's now getting getting

(01:59:55):
almost closer to the evening in New York, waiting to
hear if he's going to be suspended or not. The
New York judge will rule if a preliminary in junction
will be granted to block that six game suspension. So
I guess, Doug, the latest is no word yet from
this Jode gen Zeke six game band big stretch coming
up for the college is a big, big stretch, and
they need him, and he's playing good football and they

(02:00:15):
finally kind of figured out their offensive line stuff that
week off there by week helped them a ton, So
I you know, none of us really know the legal
reason what happens. I tend to believe he'll play and
then they'll handle this in the off season. Raven's head
coach John Harbaugh says quarterback Joe Flacco is symptom free
and on track to play their Sunday and Week nine

(02:00:36):
against the Titans in Nashville. Well, that's good after that
vicious hit with Kiko Alonso. Again, my issue was not
uh necessarily that he slid and Kiko Alonso hit him.
It's that Kiko Alonso left his feet, you know, like
that's part of it. You're propelling yourself at somebody's feet.
Is a good way to get hurt, a bad way
to tackle, a good way to get hurtled that he's
he did previously in the game, and also a good

(02:00:58):
way to hurt somebody else. Joe Flacco. Bear's head coach
John Fox gave an update today on the status of
tighten Zach Miller, who had emergency surgery yesterday to repair
a damaged artery in his left leg. At this point,
you know he's had surgery. Uh, there's a vascular issue.
It was a little artery that was torn during the injury.
Uh that they took a vein from his good leg

(02:01:18):
repaired it. John Fox says that Miller is in good
spirits but remains hospitalized in New Orleans. Crazy stuff, man, Uh,
crazy stuff. So I didn't really want to believe it.
I couldn't believe it. I didn't realize that he was
even possible consequence of having a dislocated knee. This is
Trey McBride, So when I heard, that was the last

(02:01:38):
thing I was expecting to hear. Obviously, you only one.
You never want that to happen to somebody. Uh. Zack
Miller is a good dude, good player and appeared at
the time to make a great catch. Unfortunately, that may
be the last time we see him play football. Golds
has just two wins out in the year and they
want to have quarterback Andrew Luck for Week nine and
it looks like he could miss the rest of the season. Heck.
Former coltsalbacker to Quill Jackson sit on the NFL networks

(02:02:01):
Good Morning Football on Friday. He thinks the injury could
be a career ender for Luck. I don't think that's
just one guy's opinion. He hasn't seen the medical records.
I've said he she missed the whole season. I think
he's gonna miss the whole season. I think Jacoby b
said's decent. I think they're gonna get rid of t
Y Hilton had a bunch of drops yesterday and did apologize,

(02:02:22):
but does appear to be a bit of a male content.
I think they're trying to reload to to give either
him or to draft a quarterback to give to get
a shot somewhere else. But this is the smartest thing,
as they sucked for luck and now they're gonna suck
for luck for a different reason, kind of try and
suck to surround luck with town. Finally, Doug Alonzo Ball
had a birthday. Of course, Lebron James wished him a

(02:02:43):
happy birthday last week, and the rookie point guards celebrated
with a party at David Busters over the weekend. How
about that true story. I've never been to David Busters,
never been a Davon Busters. I've been once or twice.
John sounds like he's been there a few times. Lucas
and Sarah they roll a David excuse. I thought that's
like a for adults. Now they have kids. Stuff there

(02:03:04):
keep them occupied, not here, not wine, right, and that's
the get out there and press. That was the press.
Leice talked about Monday night football game ever right, and
it's a good one Broncos Chiefs. It's not really good
because the Broncos can't score and it's played in Kansas City.
It feels like a no doubt or to me, anybody
want to step up and take the Broncos their seven

(02:03:25):
point dogs music? No thanks, sure, let's do it. Does Yeah,
it's like seven points. I'll take the Chiefs. I can't
wait till baseball tomorrow. Doug gotlip show

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