Why You Should Be Worried About Lonzo Ball

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and we'll be watching with bated breath. All right, that's
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in it as possible. Getting ready for they called it
Bedlam Oklahoma Oklahoma State. Give you my thoughts on Ezekie
Elliott who it's on again, It's off again, and it's
on again, It's off again. It's so incredibly confusing, right,

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Like they shouldn't They shouldn't announce what the actual legally
is is. They shouldn't do it. They should just go, Hey,
the court ruled something, it means he's playing. The court
ruled something, it means he's not playing. Because all of
us are thoroughly confused as to what exactly is taking
place within the legal process. But I will tell you

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the one huge thing I like about what how Zeke
is approaching this upcoming, Plus we'll talk about Deshaun Watson
and why the Texans have chosen to sign two quarterbacks,
neither of whom her name, Colin Kaepernick Jason Lock came
forth from CBS Sports is going to join us upcoming.

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All right, let me get to what I want to
get to after. There's two NBA games last night, both
are goods Um Warriors beat the Spursions San Antonio and
the Trailblazers came from behind and beat the Lakers in Portland.
And then, of course we also had Todd Bowles. New
York Jets continued. Todd Bowles continues to make a run

(02:12):
ad Coach of the Year, maybe Coach of the decade.
A Jets roster which many people believe was put together
to lose, continues to find ways to win games. Some
of it was the turnovers, the fumbles from Buffalo, but
a lot of it is, Hey, a blind man can
watch you at Jets team and say, those guys play
really really hard, really really hard, and the defense was outstanding.

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When they saw sack Tyrod Taylor seven times seven a lot.
But after that, if you would have flipped over to
t N T you watch the Portland Trailblazers on a
Damian Lillard three that went through the net with point
seven seconds remaining, came from behind and beat the beat

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the the l A Lakers. Now they hopped out. The
game was probably one in the first quarter when the
Trail Blazers outscored the Lakers, but the Lakers had regained
the lead in the fourth quarter, and the Blazers end
up getting the win. Lillard being Lillard. But the story

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of the game was what the hell happened Lonzo Ball?
He played twenty eight minutes. He did have a plus ten,
which is in plus minus. The Lakers were ten points
better with him on the floor. But he was oh
of two and oh one for three. He had just
four assists, two blocks, one turnover, one steel, and three rebounds.

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And so while I will start by saying, hey, he's
just nineteen years old, right, and I will admit that
he has never really played in any way close to
the style in which he has to play to be successful. Well,
many people have said, hey, look his dad shielded him

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from the ills of au Like, all right, Alonzo is
a great kid. I have friends in that organization. I
have friends on that coaching staff. They all said he's
a great kid. What happened last night is confounding. Confounding.
It's not that he didn't take or make shots. It's

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not that he didn't have that many assists. It's that
he kind of didn't try. But it wasn't the wilful
disdain that Kobe had once upon a time when he
wasn't surrounded by good enough players and he chose against
the Phoenix Suns in the playoffs too, Hey, you don't
you want to know me find I'm not gonna shoot. No, no, no,

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no no. It was almost like the lacking of that
alpha jeene it takes to be a are. Here's Luke Walton,
his head coach. I thought he was a little too
passive tonight, um, and I think that I'll continue to be.
You know, It's what I always say that the hardest
thing for young players is the consistency when you just

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play so many games. He's so unselfish, you know that
sometimes as a game is going, you know, we we
want him to be more more aggressive with not shooting
the ball, but just more aggressive with attacking the defenses.
And I feel like he tonight was one of those
nights where, uh, you know, he was more passive with it,
uh than looking to really attack them. It's funny. I

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actually texted a buddy of mine who's on that staff,
and I said, why is THO so passive? But it
it auto corrected into why so so passive? And then
I tried it again. He was like, what, who's so passive?
So so? And I was like anyway, and he's like,
we don't know. We have only encouraged him to attack

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at hack attack first six seconds of the shot clock,
last six seconds of the shot clock. Go make a
play now. Look, there's some limitations to him athletically, one
because he's nineteen two, because he's not a not a blur.
There's some limitations to what he can do scoring wise
because he does struggle at times to shoot, struggles to
shoot going right, because he shoots up the left side
of his face. Um, there's there's parts to his finishing

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package which is not perfect. And he's surrounded in many
at many points in time by young teammates. Larry Nance Jr.
Got hurt. That meant Kyle Kuzma, who's their best player?
Last night? Ian Brook Lopez so you've got Kyle Kuzma,
You've got brandon Ingram, Like those are three first or
second year players on the floor at the most important

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time in games. But I was I was driving, I
was listening to Colin Cowherd about an hour and a half,
two hours ago. It's like, well, don't worry, Zoe is
still gonna be a star. Like like there's some tan
ngible aspects that are missing body, speed, athleticism, strength, jump

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shot on the right part of his body, like those
things can be adjusted and can as he develops and
having man muscles, he can and he's learning. He's being
coached for the first time. He's never played pick and
roll basketball. He's always been taught to just pass it ahead.
But completely changing the mentality of who you are when

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you're not a verbal leader, asking you to be a
leader of men, boy, I'm I'm not as convinced. And
it's weird. You can really like somebody, you can appreciate them,
and and there will be people who forever say like, well,
like you would go games where you'd only be oh

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of two. I was like, yeah, I would one because
I couldn't shoot two. I would be taken out of
eye shot, But a point would be I would try
and make plays for other people. He kind of didn't.
He just tried to get rid of it as quickly
as he could. And the one thing that all of
these stars, and they've had Steve Nash work with him,

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and Steve Nash is like, hey, look, when I was
first in the league, I would go in there and
I'd always try and pass. And it's not even about
going in there, it's about just getting rid of the
ball too quickly. You can be selfish while being unselfish.
Unselfish is traditionally trying to get assists. You can be
selfish and trying to create those assists. He didn't have that.

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And it's funny that all of us who know who
Lonzo Ball really is and try to tell people, I look,
part of this is the fact that we judge him
based upon LaVar and the two kind of work together.
LaVar is the bragger, LaVar is out front. LaVar is
the big personality, a Zo's not. And though that works

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in terms of their working relationship together and their father's
son relationship, it doesn't necessarily work if you're going to
be the star point guard of the l A Lakers,
your dad can't speak for you. Your dad can't want
it for you. You kind of want it yourself. And
I don't know if he has that in him. Things

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like that don't appear and then disappear and then reappear
all at the same time. So while we we argue
back and forth about the shooting the ball on the
wrong side of his face and whether or not ultimately

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he'll become a good enough shooter score, what we haven't
talked enough about is does he really want or understand
what it takes to be great in the NBA, which
is not just the tangible skills, but in tangible quality
to the give me the ball. Well, let's go. I mean, look,

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Damian Lillard easily one of the five most over rated,
overly highly over high, overly highly regarded players in the NBA.
He actually watched him, gets star calls, really all it
likes to go left. Not a great finisher, he doesn't
play particularly good defense. Now he's a big time, big
time shooter, shot maker, and he's a good athlete when

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he gets a step and he's in transition. He's a
score who's learned to be an NBA point guard. But
he's not like a top five point guard in the NBA.
He just you, you can't be a non defender and
avoid any sort of desire to play defense. Like Steph
is not a good on ball defender, but he's really
active off the basketball and he makes plus he makes

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up for it the fact that he's a better pastor Lillard.
He's a better shooter than Lillard, and he has a
better finishing package than Lillard. Little better, better pure athlete
like I I like Damian little. The difference though, is
that Damian Lillard, as he said in the broadcast night before,

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missed it that night, took the same shot, won the game.
Has that whatever that gene is that some of us
have and some of us don't like that. That's it's part.
We'll get to the Ezekiel Elliott thing. But I'm almost
convinced that, like whether it's sexual assault, sexual harassment, domestic violence,

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like I just kind of think a lot of this
is you can have therapy for some of this, but
I just I don't have that in me. I don't
have it in me to ever lay a hand on
a woman. I don't have any in me to ever
violate a woman. I just don't and I think so
oftentimes it's really hard for those of us who don't
have it in us to to understand people that do

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and how they could treat people this way. And and
the argument that that Zeke is trying to make his
like look this is important to me because I don't
have it in me. I don't know if he does,
but I kind of think that's the same thing with
Damian Lillard as opposed to a Lonzo ball. I have
no doubt that a Lonzo will become a better score

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that will become a better shooter, that will become a
better finisher, that his body will be better, will be
at least slightly more athletic. I do wonder if he
has the gene the f you, I'm going to win
this game, come hell or high water, Jean, that Lillard
absolutely has. All Right, we'll turn to the NFL. Upcoming
next is Jason lock him Forth from CBS Sports is

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on again, off again. When can we just appreciate Zeke
or do we not appreciate this whole thing with Zeki Ellett. Plus,
doesn't the no and done the Niners move? Doesn't that
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buying experience. Jason, let's let's start with the Deshaun Watson news. Obviously,
everybody in the NFL really likes the kid, Uh, players, coaches, fans.
He goes down toward a c l and Tom Savage
becomes their starting quarterback. Uh. What's your reaction though to
the pickups they've made um after, you know, in terms

(15:30):
of backup quarterbacks and the fact that Colin Kaepernick hasn't
been contacted. Yeah, I mean you're you know, to your
larger point, it's it's just another sort of sad set
of circumstances in the year in which that's kind of
the year of the injury of a star player unfortunately,
and doesn't want to get sowing any signs of slowing down.

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And this kid is universally liked and admired for what
he's done and an incredibly short period of time on
the field, but for for the a person he has
shown himself to be during that same period of time. Um,
So it's a devastating loss for them. I that's going
to affect that team, I think sort of monamental and
a spiritual level as well. Where you got to be

(16:13):
sitting there now saying, I mean we lose a lot
and merciless like two weeks ago, boom boom, and now
you know we're losing our quarterback and what what's next?
And you've got the McNair's stuff hanging over them still.
So that's a tough set of circumstances for Bill O'Brien
as to who they signed. I mean, it's the predictable story. Oh,
guy's got to tie to the system. I mean, only
played for the guy, played with the coaching in college

(16:35):
and you know he was there four years ago or whatever.
So I mean it it just kind of is what
it is. No, I mean that look, that stuff all
makes that, that stuff all makes sense. But the offense
that they've been successful with is one to which you
would think Kaepernick could be successful. I would agree with you.
I would agree with you. But that was never a
consideration there. I mean, there was, um, not a phone call,

(16:56):
not an exploratory anything between them and Colin Kaepernick. I
mean it seemed like, you know, look the mcbloyde stuff
got out in like thirty seconds, you know what I mean,
Like it was they they were not even going to
create a scenario where any sort of Colin Kaepernick question
has got any significant period of time to percolate. I mean,
it was like the call is out the mcgloine like

(17:17):
immediately like Bam, we got one system guy there, and
then well, we probably still need another one because we
don't let me be on a practice spot. So let's
just go get T j H to the next day.
So I mean they never even created a circumstance where
you could seriously mullet or even you know, question them
about for any period of time because it was already
like system guy, system guy, and we're done nothing to

(17:38):
see here. But yeah, I mean could would. Well it'll
be very interesting to see what they have to do
now they can't run the exact same offense with Watson.
You could have run closer to that offense was Kaepernick
um and the deal with Savage was um Quati got destroyed.
Now that was Jacksonville, and they're destroying a lot of people.

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But they also traded their left tackle and they're not
going to have no matter which one of these play,
and he's not gonna be able to move to the the
park and he's not gonna be able to save plays
with his feet and he's not gonna be able to
extend plays with his feet. So does this reexpose some
of their original protection issues that had something to do
with the change to Watson so soon? In the first place,
let's go to last night where the surprise. These are

(18:22):
two of the most surprising teams in the NFL, right,
I mean like Buffalo five and two. Uh into the Jets,
who everyone thought they were tanking, and Todd Bowles has
him playing incredibly hard. Obviously the Bills had a bunch
of turnovers and that that that's the real story of
the game. But uh, I don't know, you know, like look,
Bowls was incredibly impressive as a de coordinator in Arizona.

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Then in his first year he was great. Then last
year he should have been fired. Now this year he's
been surprisingly good. Well, what's the this This secures his future? Correct? Well,
we got the second half to go here and and
we'll see. Um, they've had an issue of a losing
games late, of not being able to put people away

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and making some critical errors, whether it was the interception
in the Miami game or the series of second half
fumbled in the Atlantic game where they had them dead.
The rights, and then I'd go back to the New
England game as well and say, boy, I kind of
thought they were the better team for at least three quarters,
but they had a call go against them, and then
it's snowballed and they couldn't win the fourth quarter. Um,

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they're playing hard. You can't dispute that. I think they
have more talent than they're giving credits for it. And
at the end of the season, ownership is going to
have to make a decision based on how they finished
about where they're going. Is this staff going to be
the right staff to incubate and cultivate whichever quarterback they
end up with offseason, most likely a rookie, but not

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you know, it's not impossible that it's Kirk Cousins or
somebody like that as well. It's it's not going to
be Josh McCowan for the great job that he's doing.
I mean, at age thirty eight, this is you know,
probably his last hurrahs a long term starter. So you know,
we'll have to see how the second half o for
Todd Bowls. But for a team that everybody expected to
roll over and die, they've done anything but that weekend
week out and even the games they've lost have been

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sort of errors of mental errors or whatever, but not
any any issues with effort. That that's for darn shore.
They're they're fighting um the bills. You know, look, their
temp would have been pretty easy. Run the said well,
easy to stipulate, not easy to do. Run the football well.
They play lights out defense, and they don't turn the
ball over and while creating turnovers, well last night they

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couldn't create any turnover last night. You know that Tyrod
Taylor came to the year with two giveaways all season,
and you know, they ended up putting balls on the
ground and and not helping him out and turning it
over in weird spots and they couldn't run the ball
a lick. So uh, it all kind of worked against
And there was a short week. I think they may
have believed there clippings a little bit. I think they
may have taken the Jets a little bit lightly, and

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they looked like sort of a fatigue team. I think
we'll see the best of them down the stretch. What
does the what did the New England Patriots trading way
Jimmy Garoppolo, What does that say about the collective future
of Belichick and Brady. I don't know that it says anything.
They were all they always had to trade him. I mean,
I feel like I was the only person than you

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like me and Pete Prisco were like, he will never
be there in a million years and eighteen. I don't
care what anybody else reports, and I don't care what
Bill Belichick whispers. They are never paying their back up
more than Tom Brady. They are never going to franchise
this kid and keep them. And the only way to
keep them would have been the franchise. So I mean,
I'm still stunned they didn't trade them before the draft
when I when I think, hadn't they really held uh auction,

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you know sometime in mid April. Certainly they're getting more
than just the thirty third overall pick. And that's really
the best case scenario now is and I don't I
don't fake San Francisco is going to get the first
overall pick once they left Garoppolo play and they maybe
win a couple of games. So but the best case
for Belichick is thirty third overall with with the Brown

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sitting there with with three second round picks, had they
really squeezed them and really engaged. I can't. I can't
imagine that they. No one in this league believe they
couldn't have got more than the two. People are stunned
that in the end, that's all it took. But I
think they misplayed the situation and they miscalculated. I don't
think it has anything. I don't. I mean, look Brady,
as long he plays like this, he's going nowhere and

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he's not gonna fall off a cliff. And and Tom
Brady is not on his last contract with the New
England Patriots. He will get an extension this offseason just
to watch. And Pelichick is not going anywhere anytime soon.
But they couldn't afford to keep this kid. The mythology
had gotten to the point where he was going, They're
gonna have to franchise and to keep them, and that
never was gonna make any sense for them. Look at
all the holes they have on that roster. How are

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you gonna have forty million dollars in two quarterbacks on
one of them playing at once? You can't and you
never could, which baffled me as to why everything you
read and heard and saw anywhere was just like no.
Garoppolo was the one untouchable. This dude traded Richard C.
Martin his prime. He shocked the world by trading Jamie
Collins a year ago. He traded Chandler Jones six months

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before that, but a backup quarterback who never sees the
field was the one member of the Patriots dynasty who
he would never trade under any circumstances. Okay, Jason Lackhampford
joining a CBS NFL insider. Okay, So I'm looking at
the Cleveland Cincinnati thing, and obviously Cleveland looks really really bad.
But there's two things that jump out at me. The

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first thing is if if the Bengals and Browns really
wanted to consummate this trade, and no one else was
trying to trade for a J. McCarron at the time,
and they both had some sort of email saying that
they wanted to make this trade, why is the NFL
holding up a trade of two teams that want to
get this thing done. Well, if you really want to

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get things done, it's really really simple. And Saucy Brown
has made plenty of trades, quoting some around the deadline
last year, and they've made sounds plenty of maneuvers in
years past. When you have to cut fifty are any
players at once, at the trade, at the at the
waiver deadline to get down the fifty three right. And
there's certain things you have to do to be cap

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compliance from a from a from a lead start of
the league year cap standpoint, there's a lot of deadlines
and things you have to do. And Stacy Brown's assistant,
Chris Cooper, worked for years at the NFL Management Council,
where that's where all these rules come from. And you're
gonna tell me if they really wanted to make the
trade that no one in the front office would have called.

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I mean, if if anyone had just called the Management
Council and said, hey, we've we may we may have
forgotten to see see you on this email, or hey
we sent our paperwork to the Bengals, but these were
the terms, and if you have something with them saying
it's the same terms, I just want to let you
know we got a trade. Like so there's no follow
up email and there's no follow up phone call. So
I would say it's an assumption to assume they really
wanted to make that that that's what consummated trade, so

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that they mightn't do either thing. That's my second question.
Is it that the Brown's management privately like dude, second
and the third for a guy we don't really he
was pushing for this, an ownership is pushing forward, but
we don't really want to get this thing done. Did
they sabotage it? There are definitely coaches in Cleveland who
believe that, and there are definitely executives around the league

(25:11):
with the more they just considered it. Just sit, think
this through and how easy it is to consummated trade
at three fifty five or not. And look, there was
not a flurry of activity right at the end. So
it's not like the Baseball trade deadline where you couldn't
get anybody on the phone at the management council because
there are twelve trades all coming through it the last second.
I mean, the Benjamin thing happened towards the end, and

(25:31):
this you could have got plenty of people on the
phone and no problem saying Okay, okay, hold, we're gonna
call the Bengals too and just make sure we're all
good here, or hold, let me make sure this matches
with the email. So yeah, there's plenty of people who
feel like that at the end of the day. The
front officers just didn't want to make the trade. And
so what does repercussions to that too? Because I mean

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this is probably sounds unequated and cheesy, but it's considered
a league gentleman. And often all you have is your
word as things are fast and furious, and that's with
agents and negotiations, and that's with teams in negotiations. And
I can tell you the Bengals are livid um and
people on that out front office are livid, and and
that building was going to blow up, come out or what.

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But the knives are really out now. It's gonna be
an interesting last half of the year. Just when you
think it can't get any lower. For the Browns, boy,
they always show you that. Don't sell us short. We
we got you know, we can do better than that.
The yeah that was I'm not sure anybody can have
a hole by beer moment over what the Browns pulled
off this week. The Broncoes have lost three in a

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row and brock Oswilder for at least this period of
time gets his job back. How long is it leaves
for brock Not long, not long until as soon as
they deem packed and Lynch, you know, healthy enough to go.
What I suspect is sooner rather than later. This is
very much a cable setting. You know, hold my spot

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here for a little bit by us sometime, maybe go
get you know, maybe maybe go sacrifice yourself to the
football gods. And Jim Sports is front seven over there
in Philadelphia. And then we'll see what we have with
this former first round pick in the second half of
the year and figure out if we if we're okay
at quarterback. Um, if you know where we need to
go the route they went with Peyton Manning, which in

(27:18):
this case would be Drew Brees. Um, they're gonna have
to find out about Paxton Lynch and they'll start finding
out pretty soon. Jason great stuff. Go to CBS sports
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Of course you can uh and the entire league. Jason
Lacking for incredible work. Thanks so much, Jason, you got
Bud all right. Always the best to you, j LC

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Broca's wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders, but he expects to play
for Denver against Philadelphia. He tries to return from an

(28:43):
ankle injury, and the big news of the day, Cowboys
running back Ezekiel Elliott will play Sunday against the Chiefs
after a stay was imposed. Doug on the ruling that
put his six games suspension back into effect, speaking of that, look,
I don't know how. I don't know how how how
you view things. I'll just say how I view things.

(29:05):
I have never understood. Now. In business sometimes it's different. Okay,
in business, sometimes it's different. When you get sued, sometimes
the best thing is to just settle, and I'm sure
in some of these civil suits sometimes the best thing
is to just settle because um, because what happens is

(29:26):
they end up disclosing something outside of the really pertinent
facts of the lawsuit that are embarrassing. The perfect example
is this Ezekieliott deal right where part of the investigation uncovered.
Or you know, there was a woman who tweet this.
The same woman apparently told people that you know, he

(29:47):
was doing drugs and im prepping for the NFL draft,
didn't care about the drug test, et cetera, et cetera.
And it wasn't just weed. There were other drugs and
talks about some of the things he was into sexually. Like,
I understand that there are times in which you settled,
not because you did it. Settling it's not an admission
of guilt for a reason, but it's because there could

(30:10):
be some not so flattering things that come out. Right.
Discovery works both ways. So that's discovery works both ways.
And uh, you know, for example, in this collusion case
against the NFL by Colin Kaepernick, they want the phones
of all these owners. I don't think they're gonna get them,

(30:32):
but if they do get them, they're also gonna get
Colin Kaepernick's phone, and we'll learn about Colin Kaepernick's background,
and there could be some unflattering things that we find
in there, yes from us. Look, I'm no lawyer, but
I just have a question here. Why is it that
there's like somebody says he can't, he has to sit out,
Then somebody says no, no, he doesn't have to. Then

(30:53):
somebody says, yes, he needs to, and then another court
says no, it doesn't have to. Like how many times
is this just a sense of a pillion of pillions
how it works? I have no idea the lay person.
I think a lot of people out there anyway, well,
why why is he out? But then now he's in,
and why is he in? And now he's out? I
am lost on what's going on here personally. Maybe help

(31:14):
me out. I can't. I don't know. Okay, I wish
I could help you. I don't understand, Dani. Go ahead.
But one of the reasons that this has been on
and off again is because they can't take back the suspension.
That is what the NFL p A is arguing. So
what the NFL Players Association is saying, we are going

(31:34):
to exhaust every single angle that we can have, because
if he starts to service penalty this weekend, he can
never go back and play that game. So with that argument,
the courts see, okay, that's fair enough, so let's let
them exhaust this appeals option and go through this appeals option.
That's that's one of the reasons, and that's been the

(31:54):
main argument of the Players Association to say, even if
he started the suspension and say there was a court
hearing and everything was done in a week, he could
never get the game back that he missed or the
games back that he missed. So they are just trying
to exhaust every single legal option that there is. I
hope that's in layman's terms are easy enough to understand.
But you are a lay person, There's no question. I'm

(32:16):
as basic as they come down. You know, you're you're like, um, okay, yeah,
I look, I'm confused by two ramos. And it's to
the point where it's like, can't you guys just all
I think it's what you're saying, like, can't you I
just all get together and decided that the guy's gonna
play football the rest of you or not. Can't we
just can we just decide that? But I'll tell you
something that I do respect about. I don't respect men

(32:38):
that hit women. I know, like, what's the matter with you? Um?
On the other hand, like I know ray Rice hard
one because I've gotten to know Ray Rice, and I
do think Ray Rice was kind of a phony before
he did this guy had to run in with ray

(32:59):
Rice to when I was like it is up with
Ray Rice to where I felt like he was not
terribly stable in terms of how he was viewing the world.
And having known him since he's gone through therapy become
a spokesperson against domestic violence. I know that a lot
to a lot of you You're like, what the only
reason is doing that is because of the video and
he's trying to get back in the NFL, Like he's
not getting back in the NFL, and he's still still
out there doing these good deeds. I tend to like

(33:21):
Ray Rice, so this is a hard one. I don't
like dude dudes that hit women. I just like, what's
the matter with you? So I know I'm a hypocrite
in that because I've met ray Rice and got to
know him and really and find him to be a
guy who's taken on a lot of abuse, abuse that
he's earned from the media and from the public, and
handled it away in which I don't know if there's

(33:43):
any other way to handle just go get therapy and
try and tell people, hey, don't do what I've done.
Be better than me. But this is what I agreed
with about Tom Brady. This is what I agree with
as far as Ezekie Elliott, thanks. I've never understood the
idea of accepting a punishment. If you didn't think you

(34:04):
did anything wrong, right, and you didn't think you did
anything wrong, what are you accept from the punishment for? Well?
I was, and and you know I understand that if
you're psychologically beaten by you know, psychologically beating like you're
in a you're in a war camp. And I've just

(34:25):
seen these things in movies where they get you to
confess to something because they've you haven't had sleep and
you haven't had water, and you're being tortured and exhausting.
You admit, you'll say anything just for the torture to stop.
But the real world, we're not torturing Ezekiel Elliott. He
could accept the four game suspension, he would survive the
six game suspension. He would survive this. He would still

(34:48):
have an NFL career. He would be able to put
like to anybody who thinks that there's not a second
life for guys based upon town, I give you Alex Rodriguez, Right, dude,
Alex Rodriguez didn't test. What didn't it wasn't popped for
steroids once, he was popped for steroids twice. He was
hated before he ever got popped for steroids. Hated because

(35:13):
how how he was just a roboty just not human.
Plus the huge contract, the fact that teams won when
he laughed, and he goes to the Yankees after being
young and stupid with the Rangers, in which he wasn't
young and stupid. He pretended like he didn't know when

(35:34):
he went down to the dr and got some bole
at right then he test positive again. Hey, dude, a
rod in spite of the fact that the Yankees did
not want him around. Wasn't he on TV the last
couple of weeks? Didn't he a TV star? Now? Hasn't
he remade himself any dayton j Lo doesn't even see
Doesn't he seem like he's got the world by the

(35:54):
what's the expression? By the short hairs? Right? Like there
is a two and a three point oh. This is
a long life for dudes, and especially for Zeki Elliott.
This is bigger than a suspension. It's bigger than football.
It's them trying to make me something. I'm not not
an abuser. It's not who I am. This is my name,
this is my reputation. That's something I have to live

(36:16):
with beyond football. Every day is worth fighting for. I'm
not an abuser. That's what he said. You know what,
I don't know if he did it. I don't know
if he did it. I can tell you that the
police didn't feel like there was good enough evidence to
even to to go forward and charge him. That doesn't
mean he didn't do it. I read her account, I
read some of the text messages, some of the other

(36:38):
stuff going on, and I I tend to have a
great deal of doubt. But I'll tell you what, if
I didn't do it, he ain't. Nothing in the world
knows suspension the world, No court in the world is
gonna tell me that I did it, especially like this,
because I like, I think most of the world says
you either have the gene or you don't have the gene.

(36:59):
You can lay a hand on a woman. And Zeke's
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picks up coming later on the show. We got great
guests for you coming on later in the show. But
in the meantime, I know we're playing psychic. This is

(37:45):
game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. How did I
know that I'm psych That's how I knew that, Dan Buyer,
That's how I knew that. Let's see, Doug, what gammer?
Rep psychic? Let's play psychic? Psychic? Psychic? Will Jimmy Garoppolo

(38:05):
actually take a snap at a forty Niners uniform before Thanksgiving? Oh? Okay,
the Niners host Arizona this weekend. They've got the Giants
in week ten, but a bye in week eleven, and
then it's the Thanksgiving Day games before the Niners would
take the field in week twelve. Yeah, I think I
play against the Giants. I think they want to get
him up to speed some but I want to say,

(38:26):
I think they want to see him. I want to
see the quarterback in the future. You want to give
your team hope he'll he'll he'll get some stamps, And
I think that that bye week with that heading into
week twelve and Thanksgiving as well, would be a good spot. Psychic.
Now that excuse me psychic. Now that Andrew Luck is
done for the season, will Chuck Begato be out in
India before the end of the regular season. Uh? No,

(38:49):
I think they'll allow him to coach out the entirety
of the season, just not bring him back. It's interesting
when you look at the bad teams. Hugh Jackson definitely
could be on the way out in Cleveland, but the
forty Niners are winless. They're not gonna give up on
Al Shanahan. The Giants and Ben McAdoo maybe, but I'm
curious to see the head coach head coaching turnover we
could get in the NFL. Uh psychic. Let's jump to

(39:10):
the NBA quick. Will the Lakers miss forward Larry Nance,
who broke a bone in his hand during last night's
game against Portland, Yes, they'll miss him. Look how Kuzma
will go into the starting line up where he would
have been eventually anyway. But now of a sudden they
have no backup for men. Uh they don't really want
to use lu all Dang. They're just not a huge
fan of Dang at this point in his career, and

(39:31):
I'm not sure he's got the greatest attitude in the world.
So kind of screws up their rotation. On the other hand,
um as much as uh Nance has some talent, the
fact is that they've lost two or three of these
games because they're playing the first quarter in Nance is
part of that first unit, so they they're starting unit
should be better. But they didn't want to start Kuzma
this really, so they'll miss him, but I think they'll

(39:54):
miss him more because they don't have replacement as a
backup for men as opposed to the starting format. Well, kick,
you saw this last week when I asked you what
would be the best game in college football featuring ranked
teams facing off, he said it was gonna be Penn State,
Ohio State, and I think it was seven games in
college football this weekend that feature ranked teams facing off
against each other. Which one is gonna be the best game?

(40:17):
Oklahoma Oklahoma State? They call it a bedroom bedroom is
gonna be the best game. I know how much you
love Khalil Tait and number seventeen Arizona. They're at number
twenty two USC. That could be another show down. It
could be. Look, I don't think Arizona is great, but
Khalil Tate as if you haven't seen him. He's a
running quarterback, a freak athlete, also an l a kid
from Inglewood. Uh so come back home to play s C.

(40:39):
That scene seemed to write their ship some last week
against a very different style of Arizona State. I just
I think Arizona. I think USC is so much better
than Arizona. Not sure it matters alright. Finally, Psychic the
Blue Crew led by John Ramos. Will they pack it
in for their regular season finale since they've already secured
the fourth seed in the four team playoffs which start

(41:00):
next weeks. Are they just gonna kind of ease in
and go into the playoffs this weekend? No? No, no, no, no,
they will uh they they will play hard. They will
play really hard and lose the old fashioned way. This
is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Some people

(41:21):
are gonna point to protests. Some people are gonna say
Aaron Rodgers out, j J What out, Deshaun Watson out. Um.
I'm gonna tell you that the NFL is in many
ways like Justin Bieber Biber, I'll explain it all to you.
I'm coming next this the Doug gottlib Show on Fox

(41:43):
Sports Radio. What up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio
Live and Direct from the City of Angels. Getting ready
for another great sports weekend. Got some good NBA whoop tonight,
got some college football tonight. Um what college football wasn't

(42:06):
great last night? Do you know there's a college football
last night? Thursday night used to be a big college
football night. We are we are well aware of that. Yes, Romos,
you're well aware of that, aren't you. It used to
be here you used to be, used to be, used
to be or in the South they say used to,
could be, used to could be. That's actually that's that's
that's uh that that is the Southern grammar very much. Yeah.

(42:29):
Last night, um was it was Navy the Naval Academy
Playoffs night. Navy played Temple. Uh Temple sunk the Navy.
Oh hell. Then there was maction Eastern Michigan taken on
ball State Toledo's eight and one. They took down Northern Illinois.

(42:49):
I guess these games are supposed to be important. Central
took down Western Michigan. I pointed out because the NFL
chose to go to Thursday night football, right, And last
night was the Bills taken on the Jets. The Bills
turned it over a bunch. The Jets end up getting
I think the fourth win of the season. Two surprising

(43:13):
teams in National Football League. But like, was it a
big thing? Did you watch it? And and remember this
is um This is the same night in which you
had a couple of big NBA games Spurs Warriors as
well as the Lakers taken on the Trailblazers. This is

(43:34):
coming off a night in which games seven of the
NBA are coming off, the sunday in which Major League
Baseball's playoffs out shone the n NFL's Sunday Night football.
And I was looking at all the issues that football has.
And of course, right now, the smartest man in America
looks like Mark Cuban. Right. Cuban was the one that

(43:57):
said pigs get fat, oos gets hotter. He was talking
about the NFL. But eventually the NFL will will fall.
And I do feel like Rome is falling, or I
just do. I feel like we're seeing it in front
of us. And whether you look at how Rome felt
or you simply look at Justin Bieber, I think you

(44:21):
can see. I'm not gonna say the end is near,
but I think the days of outright sharing complete dominance
by the NFL seem to have gone by the wayside.
It's still a great league, it's still the best to
watch on a Sunday afternoon, Crank it up Sunday night.
Football when you got a good game is awesome. But

(44:45):
so many things are going against it, including the game itself.
The game itself is too fast and too violent, to
which you can't keep players healthy on a week to
week basis. And then in the career basis, you're gonna
have fewer and fewer kids playing at a at a
at a young age because of the fears that have

(45:07):
always existed with injury neck, back, hips, knees, and otherwise.
And now you add in the fear of injury with
uh CT, and you're gonna get fewer and fewer kids
participating in youth football, high school football. You'll still have
the passion for college football, but as we've told you

(45:28):
time and again, that passion for college football is based
more on the game and the teams and the brands
than it is the actual players. Participation will continue to slip.
You got that working against you. You've got the fact
that it's on too much. Last night's last night was

(45:49):
Thursday Night Football? Was it special? Did you watch? Will
you stop what you're watching in order to watch? The
answer is probably not. I mean it's on a sleep.
It's the thing that Thursday football that I think the
NFL took for granted is the one thing it severely disrupts.

(46:12):
Why is the NFL is so popular, John Romins, what's
the what's the essence? What's the most important part of
its importance of its popularity? Can you take guesses the
microphone work? You can be wrong with all of these guesses, dude,
It's not like I'm gonna hold you to it. Your

(46:32):
fires um, I would say the players. No, okay, well,
I mean no, not really. What do you got? What?
What do you want to go with music? I'll go
with gambling, yes, yes, and to uh lesser maybe even
greater extent. Fantasy football right estimated thirty three million people

(46:53):
play fantasy football a lot. Fantasy football is something that
kids can play, women can play, men can play. You
don't need a ton of a ton about it, and
you keep up with it. But it's really fun. It's
a way to legally gamble on football, stay engaged. It's
a way in which It's made it weird because if
you go to a game, you'll catch yourself doing this.

(47:14):
You're rooting for your team, but you're rooting for one
player and the other team just to succeed, right like man,
I got him in fantasy football, or to some of
your own team to fail. I'm playing against him in
fantasy football. You want to tell me the Thursday night
football didn't screw that up? Did you set your line
ups last night or did you always have a pattern
to which you know what Sunday morning, I get up

(47:36):
and I check out the shows and then I set
my line up and I try and figure out what's what.
That's what I've always done. So I guess my question
to you is, how is it? It feels just a
lot like not the end, but the days of it
dominating are gone. I think the protests play a factor,

(47:59):
not for me, maybe not for you, but for middle
age and up dude in the Midwest. It's just like, look,
I got a long, hard week. I don't want to
have to think about see why they're protesting, or I
just I don't want that disrupted. And yeah, you know, like,

(48:19):
look I don't I don't understand why I guess I
do understand why the President pointed out continue to point
it out, but it doesn't help. Doesn't help energize, uh
unity in football when the president's pointing out when you
got players protesting things that they weren't protesting, nobody even
knows what they're protesting. People like, is that the huge

(48:39):
reason that people aren't watching the NFL? Probably not, but
it's a reason the CT isn't it Maybe a huge
reason they're not watching. But it's a reason then it
it It hurts participation with with with young kids, which
stopped them and their parents from being engaged in the game.
It's a reason. But part of it also is who

(49:02):
we are as a country. Right. It's like the Justin
Bieber story. Okay, roma's you know this one? How is
Justin Bieber discovered on YouTube? On YouTube? He's Canadian right
on YouTube? And um, somebody specifically huh Usher, yeah, Usher,

(49:23):
Usher discovered him. Like that's a pretty phenomenal story that
Usher from Atlanta discovers a Canadian kid on YouTube, brings
him down to Atlanta and decides this kid is the
next it, right, It's he's the next it and he
grows him into a megastar into a superstar. Um, what's your?

(49:50):
What's your? When I say Justin Bieber, now, what do
you think of him? John Ramos? I think he's kind
of like been passed by past five Okay, but what
about you? Ry music? Too much? Fame too early, too
much fame too early? Uh? What has he been a
Has he been a turd? The answer is yes. If

(50:13):
you had millions and millions of dollars and millions and
millions of followers when you were in your teens, and
you were good looking, and you were in a place
like Los Angeles where everybody kissed up to you, you
would probably have been at least partially a turd too. Um.
Matter of fact, if you go back to two thousand ten,
he made fifty three million dollars fifty three in a

(50:35):
in a twelve month period. The crazy thing about Justin
Bieber is his music, or at least the music that's
currently being played on the radio whenever it was recorded, right,
friends and sorry, and the album is Purpose is really outstanding.
It's really really good stuff. It's the best stuff he's

(50:57):
ever done. He's back whistling to Gomez. He seems to
be stable, but in many ways. I think Ramos's view
of him is kind of over. Justin Bieber is kind
of a too much, too soon. He's twenty three years old,
Like his rise was an improbable story. He's a young,
good looking kid who comes from Canada, comes to the

(51:18):
States and just crush his life. He can sing, he
can dance, he can rap. I don't know if he
can act. He's acting like a jerk for a long time.
And some of it is self inflicted right, obviously excess
into drinking and probably drugs. We don't know enough about it.

(51:38):
But he's he's supposedly stepping away from music to get
his life together. It's reasonable to conceive that a lot
of his own issues are self inflicted, much like the
nfls the humorists of Hey, we're gonna put our game
on Sunday up against the World Series. Not because not
because we couldn't previously, but because we can now. We

(52:00):
can squash the NFL. We're gonna have Thursday night football.
Why because we can make more money doing it. I
know it kind of waters down the product. I know
it makes fantasy football hard. I know it it's too
short of prep time for some of these teams. So
the game isn't that good, but I know there's just
a proliferation of NFL on TV, but it makes a

(52:21):
lot of money. Pride comes before the fall. They could
have admitted that football caused brain injury a long time ago.
They could have had just addressed the helmet situation, the
hitting situation a long time ago. They didn't because they're
making lots and lots and lots of money. But look,
with all of these issues, protests, CT, injuries to your

(52:45):
best players, proliferation of the NFL on TV, the ratings
are still really good. Still ratings, King still rakes it in.
You still have Tom Brady, still gonna end up with
the Dallas Cowboys being in the playoffs to Seattle Seahawks
being the playoffs, probably the l A Rams and the playoffs.
You want of the Jets, of the Giants, but you
get the Patriots, you get most of the big markets,

(53:09):
you get most of the big names. You'll get the Steelers.
You're gonna get big name franchise. You're gonna get huge numbers.
Just like even though many of us have a negative
view of Justin Bieber, wildly crazy, crazily successful. Uh he
had number ones and back to back on both English

(53:31):
and Spanish language top one hundreds this past summer. Right plus,
he's on was It David Guetta as how do you
say his last name to you? He's on that Ye
was Ghetta Ghetta David Ghetta. My son loves that song.
He's on a bunch of other songs the on the
song d DJ Khalid as well, Like Justin Bieber, actually

(53:52):
is doing incredibly, incredibly well, But perception of it is
he has reached his peak. He is on its downfall,
and there's some of these issues, while self inflicted, some
of it is this is kind of what we do
with stars. We build them up, we find their flaws
and are we cannot escape the fact that we cannot.

(54:14):
We cannot compartmentalize their flaws as being human flaws. We
do the same thing with the NFL. NFL, like any organization,
is flawed, but is successful and is still the number
one sports entity. Its future may not be as bright
as it once was seen to be, and it has
some inherent problems, some that the game won't allow it
to to exist outside of But I mean, then we

(54:40):
have the greatest Super Bowl comeback in the history of
the Super Bowl last year, Haven't we had huge numbers
and we'll continue to have huge numbers in the playoffs.
I thought that was interesting. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL
Network joins us. Next, I'll get his thoughts on Jimmy
Garoppolo the fit in San Francisco. And doesn't it mean

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Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So yeah, I tell the
NFL is like Beaver right, still syrics super successful. Yet
you think on the way down you do. Let's welcome
in Daniel Jeremiah. He has an award winning podcast covering
the National Football League and uh DJ, I'm wondering about
Garoppolo to the Niners. How good a fit is his

(56:50):
skill set for what Kyle Shanahan usually likes to do.
I think he's really good fit. You know, you look
at somebody that is a quick rhythm pass or some
of this mobile on that stretched boot stuffs very comfortable,
very very competent in that system. I think it's actually
a it's a really good fit. I mean, you can
look at some of the comparisons with Garoppolo and maybe

(57:11):
even Kirk Cousins. You can see some similarities there. And
you know, Kirk obviously is a big fan of Shanahans
that had some success there. So now I think I
think it's a really good fit. Alright, So what does
it say about the Niners that we've seen so many
others roll the dice on college quarterbacks and be relatively successful, right,
I mean, like Mariota to this point hasn't exploded, but

(57:35):
you still feel they still feel pretty good about what
they have when he's healthy. Tampa been a little disappointed
this year, but they still feel pretty good about what
they have. Raiders obviously feel really good about they have.
Like there's a good group of young quarterbacks that have
all been drafted, So you feel like, man, I mean,
obviously Carson Wentz people are going crazy over does this
is it? Is it simply a second round value for

(57:55):
a proven on some level and refine more commodity, or
does this say something about the college prospects? Well, you know,
my first at first glance, I thought, okay, well that
they obviously weren't crazy about what their prospects were with
this draft class at the quarterback position. Because here they
are without a win. You figure there's a really good
chance they're picking up there in the top two or
three to get a chance. And then when I kind

(58:18):
of stood back and looked at it, I thought, you
know what, this might be a situation where the timing
for New England they had to trade Garoppolo at this moment,
or else they just get a cop pick which is
gonna be a late third. So they had to do this.
Now he was going to get traded, and so San
Francisco just said, hey, we don't know for sure which
of these kids are coming out. We don't know for

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sure we're gonna be sitting there in position to get one.
What if we stumble in and win some of these games.
We do know for sure that this is a pretty
low cost for a guy who fits our system, and
we feel like we can win with him, and it's
going to be significantly cheaper than what we would be
paying Kirk Cousins if we were to go that route.
So I think it was just a timing thing and
it was presented for him and they said, Okay, hey,

(59:00):
we can get this done. And with that, uh, if
we do end up with the top pick, we probably
have the potential to to get a pretty nice windfall
to trade back. My thing is there is still risk here.
I mean, when you for all the grief that the
Browns get for passing on de Shawn Watson, we don't
hit the Niners with that, and then if these next
group of quarterbacks in this class end up being you

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know what we think they could be, you've passed on
Watson as well as these kids. You better hope you
hit big on Jimmy Garoppolo. Right, here's my issue with
the Watson thing. Okay, I know he didn't get hurt
running around, but they were using more of a college
style offense in order to be successful, and we've seen
others do that and then eventually kind of refined to

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a pro style offense where they run less. Um. Now
when he comes back, he's going to have both knees
surgically repaired, and the success he's had has been within
more of a college offense than a pro offense. How
concerned should we be about what Deshaun Watson ultimately is
after tearing, tearing, another, tearing, another knee up. Yeah, I

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mean it brings up some questions. First of all, you see,
it's for him because how they were running the offense.
It was working, and he was playing at a really,
really high level. UM, but there's you know, some of
the concerns that come up when you talk about guys. UM.
You know, it looked eleven of his nineteen touchdowns dug
or off play action basically kind of zone read stuff.
So it was very much a lot of stuff he

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was doing at Clemson. UM. But we've seen r G
three have that short term success and then get hurt Mariota.
They've kind of started to change how he plays a
little bit, and you're seeing him adapt and evolve. But
he got he's been hurt too now, so they're gonna
have to transition to him running less. Even though I
thought he did a pretty good job of protecting himself

(01:00:47):
and this injury was a non contact injury, but I
do think there's something that kind of the accumulation of
taking some hits that you wouldn't take it as just
kind of a quote unquote pure drop back guy. Um.
But yeah, no, it's gonna be we don't know. We'll
have to see how they use him when he comes back.
I hate to see him get injured. But man, he
was it was working college or not that that system
was working, the question is can you have some longevity

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with it? All? Right? So, uh, how likely I would
he see any success from Houston? Now they go back
to Tom Savage and I would guess back to more
traditional offense. Yeah, they can't run what they were doing.
I mean they were they were running. There was like
some triple option concepts they were running against Seattle. Uh,
they're not doing that with Tom Savage and their offensive
line is not very good. Um, so they've been able

(01:01:30):
to cover that up a little bit with deception and
with his athleticism. I don't think you really can incorporate
either one. I mean, we've seen this offense that's pretty
much the same group of guys. Right last year with
brock ost Wilder and Company didn't look anything like it
looks this year. There's a different playbook for Deshaun Watson,
and I think that playbook is gone. Doug Otlib Show,

(01:01:50):
Fox Sports Radio. Um, how surprised are you that? I mean, like, look,
Mike McCarthy was very well, he was emphatic about out
the guys he had. They've been in this system, and
yet you since they lost Aaron Rodgers, they've had no offense.
Does that surprise you? Yeah? I mean I think you can.

(01:02:11):
You know, you have your system. And again, like I'll
give Bill O'Brien some credit here for adapting to two
different skill set that you had in Deshaun Watson. Now,
obviously the injury is what it is. But with with
Brett Huntley, he's got a different skill set than Aaron Rodgers.
And I think you go out there and try and
run a lot of the same stuff and just keep
everything the same and try and fit him into that.
I think you're making a little bit of a mistake.

(01:02:32):
I mean, I think if you're Green Bay, you ought
to be studying kind of it what Tennessee has done
and and what Houston was doing, and try and roll
some of that stuff. And shoot, look at what Kansas
City doing, how they're using Alex Smith a lot of
college concepts there. I think that McCarthy and company would
be smart trying to adopt some of that that stuff
and change it up a little bit. Yeah. Unfortunately though,

(01:02:54):
you know these NFL guys, you start saying college concepts
and they start thumbing their thumbing their nose at it.
You know, like it's like talking to a kid who
has learned algebra about doing you know, two plus two.
He's like, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing basic additions.
Just just won't do it. Danna Jeremiah joining us from
the NFL Network and Bucky Brooks have a great podcast.
You should download and listen to it. Um Okay. Then

(01:03:15):
then we have the Dallas Cowboys who they are going
to have Ezekieli this week. This on again, off again thing. Uh,
you know, we we we just kind of can't figure out.
But I don't know. Every time I hear something like well,
at some point they're gonna suspend him, uh does it,
he keeps coming He's coming out and saying like, look,
this is more than about the suspension. This is about
my name. But at some point, if it feels like

(01:03:37):
it's inevitable, don't you take this suspension so that you're
there for the most important important part of the season. Yeah,
unless you know, unless you think you somehow can ride
this thing out until next year. I mean, look, the
Brady thing took forever. I'm just I don't know. I'm
so there's gonna be a better way to do this.
I am so over this whole storyline. Be suspended. Don't

(01:03:57):
be suspended. But man, this every week? Is he gonna
isn't he gonna play? I'm not. I'm not a pre
low guy. I have no idea how many appeals or
how many differently. It seems like there's another corner, another
ruling or another judge every week. Um, it's just it's enough.
Let's just make a decision here and go one way
or the other. Does j G I Is he a
difference maker for the Eagles? Uh, he's He's gonna be

(01:04:20):
a good fit. I think that was almost just. Hey,
the price is this low. He's a good football player,
and let's keep him away. Let's keep him out of
the division. I mean, Dallas could potentially have a big
need at that spot, and he's a really really good player,
so he can help us, no question. And I think
it gives them in the postseason, bad weather, home field
advantage in Philly, having a couple of hammers like Blunt
and uh and j Gi. He's not a bad thing. Um.

(01:04:41):
I was gonna ask you. By the Denver Broncos, they're
gonna start Brock this week against those Philadelphia Eagles. That
seems like like, look, oh, I'm it's great to be
back starting, but you're starting against one of the best
front sevens in the NFL on the road in a
what's his likelihood of success, Doug. I don't know how
many people you have in studio right now or around
you that you could that you could go and grab,

(01:05:03):
but I guarantee there's two you could grab that could
play the tackle positions for the Broncos as well as
being played right now. Um, it's not a good group.
Bowls is struggling as a rookie, Meto like Watson has
been awful on the right side. Um, so that's not
what you're looking for making your first start against that
group of bands who not only is it the first
wave of guys you gotta worry about, they bringing guys

(01:05:23):
off the bench just good. I'm looking at the a
f C and I'm struggling here I'm struggling with the teams. Usually,
you know there's gonna be a fight for teams to
get in the playoffs. You'd assume the Patriots, you'd assume
the Steelers. Um, I kind of think the Jags, although
Mariotte is getting healthy, somebody's got to come out of

(01:05:44):
that division, right, and then the Chiefs and then who else?
Like not when Raiders are three and five, Chargers are
three and five, probably should be better, but they're just
not right and they gotta buy a week. Maybe that
that helps them. Bron Use have no offense, and no
matter how good the defense is, the offense you point
out the offensive line and the quarterback play has been

(01:06:06):
futured something because of it. Like, I'm struggling to find
that fifth and sixth team that's gonna make the playoffs. Yeah, no,
it's It's interesting. You've got a figure between between Oakland
and the Chargers. Those teams are more talented than their record,
and eventually just think that's gonna correct itself and one
of the two has to emerge and get on a
little bit of a run here, uh and get a

(01:06:27):
shot at this thing. Baltimore, Miami, those you know, I
don't know what you get from those teams from a
week to week basis um. You know, so one week
they look great, the next week they look terrible. But
that kind of has the makings and maybe one of
those two teams is one of those last deeds. But
I feel like I've seen this episode before. They just
kind of clinking around and and you know it's gonna
be at the end of the day, it's gonna be

(01:06:47):
you know who, New England just sitting there. We're gonna,
you know, kind of weed their way through the whole process,
and you just hope they don't get hot. At the
end of the year. They might just go ahead and
win the whole thing again with a very flawed team.
Baker Mayfield Traveling is still or take on Mason Rudolph
Oklahoma State. We've had people come on this show and say, hey,
look all these uh supposed first round guys, the two
West Coast guys and Josh Allen, I like Baker Mayfield.

(01:07:09):
Where are you on Baker Mayfield as as an NFL quarterback? Yeah?
He grown, He's grown on me um and he's one
of those guys I need to see him play live.
But actually kicking myself for not going to this game.
I said, because it's two birds with one stone to
see both these quarterbacks. You gotta you gotta private jet off.
I'll fire it up. Ask one of those guys the
NFL network, We'll fire it up. We'll go. Dude, you
it's Oklahoma State, buddy. I thought they'd be sending one

(01:07:30):
for you. I was gonna drive up and hop in
and let's go. Yeah. Now they didn't. They didn't hire
me as their coach. Dude. If they did, we would have.
We would have come and picked you up. That would
have been no p Yeah, they screwed that one up,
and that's another story. But look, it's uh, it's something
with Mayfield where I thought he was a good college player,
run around, make some things happen, and then kind of
the morning, I'm like, you're making some min froze. He

(01:07:52):
is just everything about him is quick twitch, with which
I like, he's an explosive player. Um so he's he's
He is somebody that I think if the season ended today,
he wouldn't need to bring more than one suit to
the draft, which I would not have predicted last year.
What about Mason Rudolph, Yeah, Rudolph is interesting. He's guys
are kind of split on him. I think you're still

(01:08:13):
talking about I think he's a He's a second third
round in that mix. I don't see, you know. I
just like to see a little more pop. You know.
I talked about the explosive US. I'm not talking about
Mayfield as an athlete. I'm just talking about just some twitch.
He's got some torque in his hips. The ball kind
of jumps out of his hand. I think Rudolph is
is kind of a steady guy. I just don't think
he's a real twitched up dude. I would agree you

(01:08:33):
are a twitched up dude. Keep those podcasts coming and
the compliments coming. We appreciate having y'all. We'll see on
the NFL network real quick. Doug, my Hoosiers, how are
we going to be this year? Rebuild? A little bit
of rebuild, you know, But I I like to hire
a lot, I do. I just you know, Um, Archie
is many things Crean was not. Crean was an outstanding

(01:08:53):
and recruiter. Uh Crean. Crean worked really really hard. Um
Whereas and I thought the guys play hard and played hard,
and he changed offenses and changed style, got a mid
career at IU, but I don't know how good an
in game coach he was. I think Archie's just got better,
feel I'm I'm also more prone. Like look, I'll be honest,

(01:09:15):
Creane never played. Archie was a really good, good, really
good solid player comes from a more of a coaching background,
coaching player background. I kind of like that better. I
think art should be really good there, man, I hope
so alright, but catch up soon, anybody that's uh, the
one and only Daniel Jeremiah. Let's bring in Dan Buyer.

(01:09:39):
Victory parade going on? Here? Are you watching MLB Network? Yes?
I am there. Who's the local? Who's the local anchor?
Ryan Music? Not a fan of a woman with short hair.
Apparently my wife has short hair. I think she has.
She looks like the countess from Real Housewives of New
York City kprc lu Anne LUs. She reminds, never watched

(01:10:01):
never and none of the Housewives. You don't watch any
of them, not even Orange County. There's actually one of
the Orange County ones lives three doors down from us.
Oh is that Lydia? Yeah? Yeah, so I thought Lydia
drives uh an infinity of maroon infinity suv, I said.
I said to my wife, I said, Lydia's place kind

(01:10:22):
of looks like Doug's place in that same neighborhood. They
kind of look like they have the same fact it
is four actually four four houses down, four houses down. Yeah,
now it's it's uh. I mean, and I've heard people
say like, oh, yeah, she's the Real Housewives, Like I've
literally never seen her, nor have I ever seen any
TV cameras anywhere, but not that I'm paying attention. That's
all right. You will see Ezekiel Elliott on Sunday. How

(01:10:44):
about that. That's been a change of pace this week
back on the playing field, as he'll go against the
Chiefs after a state was imposed on the ruling that
put his six game suspension back into effect. It was
the second Circuit Court of Appeals putting the hold on
the ban. Earlier today, the Texans officially placed quarterback to
Shaun Watson on injured reserve, and then the Texans officially
signed quarterback t J. Yates and Matt mcgloy. The mcgloy

(01:11:06):
News actually reported yesterday no Earl Thomas for the Seahawks
coming up on Sunday against the Redskins. He's out with
a hamstring injury. Washington won't have a ton of Jordan
Read for that game. He's also dealing with a hamstring injury,
and Dolphins libacker Kiko Alonso find nine thousand, one hundred
and fifteen dollars for his hit on Ravens quarterback Joe
Flacco in Week eight. Auburn athletic director j Jacobs gonna

(01:11:27):
step down by June one at the latest. If his
successor could be found earlier than Jacobs will step aside. Then,
as Doug mentioned, the Houston Astros holding their World Series
Championship parade as we speak, Astros did exercise the option
on second baseman Jose L two Bays contract. Already the
hot stove cooking up in Major League Baseball, fan Raig
Sports saying that the the former Royals teammates Eric Hosmer

(01:11:51):
and Mike Mustakis could be going to opposite coasts. The
Red Sox could be interested in Hosmer, according to the report,
while Mustakas could come home to southern California and be
a target of the Angels. Doug, I like that Angels
getting in. Let' let's let's get some Halos down here. Uh,
we need some Halo hats. Man. I actually got accosted
on the way to take my son to school today

(01:12:11):
wearing a Dodger hat. You know, I go want to
get some mileage out of it before I and my buddies, like, dude,
come on, Dodger things over, get the Halo hat back on.
It's like, you know, honestly, like I need a new
Halo hat. The one I have is the All Star
Game Halo hat. That's the one I've warned for a while.
What is your favorite Angel hat? Because they've had a
couple of different ones, Perrywinkle blue ones. Remember when they
were owned by Disney and they had the periwinkle blue,

(01:12:33):
periwinka blue brim uh, and there's periwinker blue within the
Angel with wing. I like that one, and I like
that about that hats, the red knob. The red knob
is is big on top. My second favorite Angel hat
is probably uh the old school uh navy blue with

(01:12:55):
red brim c A with the gold halo, not not
the halo around like just a halo, the small gold halo,
not the big gold halo. Music. Do you have a
favorite Angel hat? You're an Angel fan? Uh? Yeah, I
mean I agree with you on the periwinkle. That one's
that one's a classic. Um I also it's a classic,
but it's it's fit, it's it sticks out, So yeah, yeah,

(01:13:19):
exactly what I mean. I guess it's more of like
it's the more like I like the Padres brown ones,
like I want to get a Padres brown SD San
Diego Padres with the with the orange or with the gold.
Because there's a push they're gonna have their fiftieth anniversary
storing coming up, and I think they may go back
to a brown and gold. Look, it's well brownish gold,

(01:13:41):
you know movie that's from Lion King, Well brownish gold. Anyway, Uh,
which which one are you buyer? Do you like the
brown and brown and gold? You like the yellow? I
think that the the Padres Navy in orange and white
one that they have like in the Ken Keviny Years. Yeah,
Navy order. Honestly, I don't even know. I haven't. The Padres,

(01:14:04):
of course, were the first to have the really good
military uniforms to right, really really always really well done.
Go ahead and music. I'm sorry I interrupted you kind
of stumbling around. It's okay, Yeah, that would be that
would be my favorite angel hat what about you? Okay,
So like, look, if we're all gonna go out and
get new era major League Baseball hats, the cool thing

(01:14:25):
about major League Baseball hats is like, I don't do
I want to have an angel hut. Yeah, but I
also think you can just go and go like, yeah,
I just like the hat, right, Um, you're gonna go
buy one kind of obscure one. Now, what about what
about you Dan Brewers hats? Do you like the old
m B? Yeah? Can I be honest with you, It

(01:14:47):
wasn't until about three years ago that I knew that
it was an m B. I've known that logo. I
was born in Milwaukee. I've known that logo. I used
to root for them when they had Robin Young, Paul
Mallinger and um, what was a deer? Rob deer, rob deer?
Right like, but honest to god, I never knew like,
oh them B. It's like one of those you know,

(01:15:09):
one of those um posters. You're like, well, if you
stand certain of mbre inches in front of it, you
can see something else and you can never see it,
and then all of a sudden you walk past it
one day You're like, oh, it's a lion it's a
lion and people are looking at you like, yeah, we've
known the line for years, dummy. That's how I feel
about that. Brewers, MB the Expos haven't had an M

(01:15:30):
and E in their's with the different colors. If you
look close enough, hold on really, Yes, the old Expose
was an M and and E. So yeah, looking at
the hex no, No, I'm looking at the hat where
the whole thing is an M. On the left side
is the E and on the right sides the B

(01:15:51):
that John says the left side like us, that's a
script eyes and then a B. Montreal Expos Baseball. I
had no idea. I mean, I mean, like, listen, I'm
admitting to stupidity. There are certain things I know. I'm
really really smart at, like right, like I can describe

(01:16:13):
things about sports basketball specifically. You had no idea, Like
here's one. How far is the free throw? Dan Buyer,
how far is the free throw? John Ramas, how far
is the free throw? I'm gonna twelve feet? Okay, the
common most people that have any sort of brains, meaning
Dan Buire, think fifteen feet okay, because it technically is

(01:16:35):
fifteen feet from the backboard. Okay from the backboard to
the free throw line. Okay, but to make a free
throw you can't. If you shoot a fifteen feet you're
not going to make a free throw that hits the backboard.
So it's actually thirteen six thirteen nine if you want
to actually make it. So it's kind of a trick
question or whatever. Like. So, according to prices Right, I

(01:16:55):
was the closest because you didn't you said how many? Yeah,
yeah you did, Yeah, closest without going over you did.
That's actually very nice prices right theory. But the point is,
like I know a lot about some things. I honest
to god, I had no idea that there was an
M and E and a B in there. I just
thought it was their logo. I never part of it

(01:17:17):
was I never spent enough taught time actually kind of
looking at it thinking of it, I kind of think
I want to get an expos hat. The only problem
is people will be like, oh, your boys and Jonah
carry No. I didn't think that rock Rains belonged in
the Hall of Fame, and I didn't actually like the
expos they had. They were the first retractable dome that
didn't retract um. But I do kind of like the

(01:17:39):
hat kind of a classic. I don't know how we
got into that hat discussion. How are Lebron to the
Lakers rumors going right now? Kind of interesting from Lebron's
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(01:18:20):
I'm look at all these new era hats down now,
I'm completely I'm just I'm in on. But like I'm
looking at that the the old Diamondbacks one with the
diet with the actual Diamondbacks biting on a baseball. I say,
old Diamondbacks. Is that an old Diamonbacks? Do? Is that
a throwback to like five years ago? Because you have
dia Backs has been around for exactly five years. Anyway,
let's catch up on something you may have heard. We
call it and now. Maverick Carter was on the Rich

(01:18:44):
Eyes and Show. I understand people keep saying that and
thing of that But the reason it doesn't make sense
is because if he plays in l A or he
plays on the moon, he can only shoot movies for
three months. It doesn't matter. Even if he played in
l A and he wanted to be in a movie,
he can't shoot from basically September to June. Could he
sell a few more sneakers if he was in a
gigantic market like Boston or Chicago or New York or

(01:19:08):
maybe but not, but not as much as if he wins.
What matters the most is if if he wins. When
you win as an athlete, that matters the most. I
tend to agree when you win, it is what matters
the most. Um And that's a that's a very smart
business strategy. Like no matter what, winning Trump's everything right.

(01:19:31):
Like we can say what we want about Kevin Durant.
If he would have stayed in No Kloma City but
stay didn't win a title, he wouldn't sell as many sneakers,
wouldn't be wouldn't have a path to the Hall of Fame,
wouldn't be regarding he still now he's an NBA champion.
They can never take that from him. And the number
one thing that sells shoes. That builds a brand, especially
if you're trying to consider yourself the greatest of all
time is getting closer and closer to Kobe Bryant, and

(01:19:54):
it's gonna be Bryant, which is five, and to Lebron James,
which is I mean, when to Michael Jordan, which is six.
But but uh, what are the options in terms of winning?
Like I've heard people say San Antonio no, because it's
not just that it's not a big market. It's a
team that is run where you sacrifice your ego, where

(01:20:19):
it's not about you, it's about the team. And Lebron
he likes to pass. He likes his teammates to score,
but he likes some score off of his passes. He's
not a ball movement sort of guy. He ain't going
to San Antonio play for Pop. So where's he gonna go? Alright, Like,
he's not going to Minnesota, it does not happen. Not
going to Chicago, that's not happening. L A makes sense,

(01:20:43):
not just because it's l A. It makes sense because
they'll have some young talent. They'll get some more young talent.
They'll have another Max superstar along with Lebron James and yeah,
it does help your popularity. I've said, like Michael Strahan
was a great player, Would he be a Hall of
Famer it wasn't for the fact you played in New York?

(01:21:07):
You know? So? Uh? I would say uh. I would
say no, doesn't doesn't I mean, does it matter? I
would say yes, doesn't, doesn't matter. Would would Michael Strahan
be a Hall of Famer? Would he be on what
is he? He was on Good Morning America? Right? I

(01:21:31):
gotta get the morning shows? Confused? If it wasn't for
the fact you played in New York? Probably not. So
it helps you, it helps you post career. It's inarguable
that it helps you. And it's wouldn't be the first
time he's moved, so it wouldn't feel as painful. He
brought a championship to Cleveland, he brought in the three
NBA finals. He might bring them to a fourth, and

(01:21:53):
leaving wouldn't be as painful. Look, is winning the most
important thing? Yeah? Trump's everything, But he wouldn't lose in
l A. He just might not win a title. And
there's so many ancillary benefits in addition to quality of
life and raising your children and not having to deal
with winner that it might make more sense than just
who could I win with the most? Sorry, I was

(01:22:15):
all over the place there with you. I thought it
was I was thinking of what Colin said about Alonzo
and linking it to Maverick Carter. Look like Mac, Maverick
Carter is smart. He's not a complete He's not an
idiot by any sense of the imagination. You have to win.
You have to put yourself in a position to be successful.
And that's the one thing the Lakers have to prove
to him. But do they The Calves didn't have to

(01:22:39):
prove to him that they were successful. He turned that
thing around almost immediately. It wasn't like Miami was a
championship team before he got there, and he wouldn't be
going there alone. But part of the sale of the
Lakers is not just quality of life. Why that You
can download the Doug Otlip Show podcast iTunes or at
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(01:22:59):
it on Facebook, Instagram, etcetera, etcetera. But a lot of
it's built upon Alonzo ball. But what if Alonzo Ball
is missing one key element to make him great? We
discussed that element next. What up with you Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live and direct from beautiful Sunday in

(01:23:23):
southern California. My picks up coming this hour. He had
a great hour for you, really good hour radio man.
M hmm, good hour of radio. Ryan. Who else we
got coming up? Bruce Almos coming up? Is he in

(01:23:44):
still Water? Do I have to give him? Like be like, oh,
give me restaurant recommendations? Like there's not that many. It's
not like I thought. I was, like, well, listen, there's
like fifteen different places. Like it's a I love where
I went to school. I do. I mean I could,
it's but it's I think, very very different than Bryan.
For example, your college experience where you at to cal
State Northridge, right, which is definitely cal State Northridge is

(01:24:09):
a big, mostly commuter school in the San Fernando Valley
in Los Angeles. So it's I don't know, thirty forty
minutes outside of downtown Los Angeles that's with no traffic.
Dan Buyer, where did you go to school? I'm trying
to buy Remind me of where University of Wisconsin, Universityisconsin,

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great school, awesome and kind of two or three different
places in one right, Like when it's spring and fall
very cool. When it's winter is very cold, right, and
then summer it is everybody's outside, tons of outdoor stuff.
There's two lakes around the campus. H plus you have
the state capital there. It's it really reminds me, honestly.
And this I don't know if this is weird to you.

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It's like Austin of the North. Yes, there there. There
have been many comparisons throughout the years. Austin has just
blown up huge over the last fifteen years or so.
But when I was in college, that was a very
very common comparison between the two. But because you had
the state capital in Madison, and you got State Street,

(01:25:13):
and you just have more students and you have a
bigger city, there's just more stuff there right, whereas in
Stillwater it's I believe the town is forty eight thousand people,
about five thousand which are students, and it's uh, seventeen
miles from the interstate, an hour from each of the

(01:25:35):
major cities in Oklahoma. Like you are, Uh, you may
not be in the middle of nowhere, but you can
see it from there, sure, sure, And so it's it's uh,
it's a it's a little bit different. It's Penn State
played in Michigan State, and I think that's for Bruce
Feldman in East Lansing, which is outside of Detroit. Whatever.
Penn State is the most like still Water State College

(01:25:57):
is the most like Stillwater. The differences that State College
though more isolated than still Water. It's about three hours
I think from Pittsburgh one. The town is a little
bit bigger and too because you have the mountains all
around it. I think it's a little bit prettier esthetically
more pleasing, whereas you're on the plains of Oklahoma, like
right that that's but I love it because because there's

(01:26:19):
nothing else, there's nothing else to do but have a
good time. So anyway, that'll be one of the that
Penn State, Michigan State in Oklahoma Oklahoma State. Those are
two signature games on Fox Sports one tomorrow should be
great stuff. Bruce Felban to join us. Plus we got
my picks this hour. Maverick Carter said winning isn't uh
uh is the most important thing for Lebron and where

(01:26:40):
he plays basketball. I like this this quote, this interesting
quote in terms of the NBA from Giannas and too
Chokumpo Am I doing by the way, on my Giannas
into Chokumbo, it's pretty good. It's not bad buyer. You
know what I'll allow you, am I screwing it up
is more of a john and uh, I've just always

(01:27:02):
said it. Into the kumpo and to the kumpo and
to the kumpo and to kumpo and cumpo and to
the kompo. The Greek freak. Did you see this quote?
This has to make your heart flutter, doesn't it? Yes?
And the mark Stein piece. Yeah. Mark Stein, of course
writes for The New York Times. Now he's writ for
esp dot com. Good friend of mine, cal State forwarding guy.
By the way, you should you should know that music.
So if you ever have him on, He's a He's

(01:27:23):
a Titan, You're a metadorador quote. I'm a low profile guy.
I don't like all these flashy cities like l A
or Miami. I don't know if I could be the
same player if I played in these cities, regardless of
the fact that, like, if you live in l A
and you want to keep a low profile, you can right,
like you don't have to, Like I like mill I

(01:27:43):
was born Milwaukee. I think Milwaukee is a cool town.
That new arena and the group that came from MSG
owns they built a beautiful pranc facility to building a
spectacular arena and it's the kind of the centerpiece for downtown.
And they have like small, medium, large arenas all next
to each other too, like they have the Mecca and
at the Bradley Center that they have a new arena.
Like all of that is cool and it's right on

(01:28:04):
the water. Like there's a lot of cool things to Milwaukee,
and truthfully, it's just a it's like a suburb to Chicago.
Like if you want to go and ride the train
in Chicago, it's I don't know, hour and a half drive.
I don't have half trained. It's like not crazy far
at off you want it in Chicago in summer has
everything you could possible. You're just playing basketball in the winter.
But I mean, like, try walking on the shores of
Lake Michigan in January. Try walking, Like if you're making

(01:28:27):
what he's gonna make in his next contract on the
shore of the Pacific Ocean, Like it's a no brainer.
But if you're a Buck fan, you're like, if that's
what he really thinks, cool, play it up. We love
you a small, small community, you can be you, You
can do whatever you want. Totally low profile will leave
you alone like there is something to that, there is
something too, don't mess with happy. But with all the

(01:28:50):
talk of the potential movement for for Lebron, for Paul
George or maybe mellow in a year for Russell Westbrook
before he into his new deal huge summer free agency,
the question becomes what will the Lakers look at the
like at the end of this year and everybody's waiting
for brandon Ingram and take that next step. There have

(01:29:12):
been moments to which you think he does moments which
is like like he looks he looks the part of
like a Kevin Durant clone sometimes and then sometimes he
just looks like a skinny kid who's yet to really
learn how to play. Um. I would say that if
you like, to me, the guy who has been the

(01:29:34):
most impactful and maybe the most surprising, and in in
fairness to him, he's also you know, old for a
rookie in comparison is Kyle Kuzma. Kuzma had twenty two
coming off the bench. He'll be a starter now. Kuzma
is two years old, so he's two years older than
Brandon Ingram comes out of Utah and he has been

(01:29:59):
as big as surprise in terms of where he was
drafted and his immediate impact is anybody in the NBA
this year. But all eyes are on a Lonzo ball.
And it wasn't that he had a bad game. It's
very important to put the right context in it. He
didn't have a bad game. He didn't necessarily had a

(01:30:19):
good game. He just had a game, right, like, what
did he actually do? And I I'm all for letting
other guys play, Hey, throw the ball up. Let let
guys play. Throw the ball up. Let you want Brandon
Ingram who can handle it, they can can make plays
in the break, that's fine. But if your default is

(01:30:42):
to constantly get rid of the basketball far too quickly,
a style by the way that LaVar ball and he
was coached at this exact same style when he played
in high school. The adjustment period for Alonzo is not
just gonna be the speed, length, athleticism, the change in
his shot. I think the question becomes does he have

(01:31:06):
any dog in him? Right? Does he have any The
way we want you to be, or you're supposed to
be as a basketball player is like the nicest guy
in the world on the court. Do you remember the
movie Over the Top? Ramos is looking at me like
he doesn't that the Slice alone movie, Slice Alone? Um,

(01:31:27):
ram Rama's I kind of feel like this this is
a movie that buyer has seen. I don't think so
I'll turn his back on Let's see a long time ago.
But you did see it, you see it? You have
no idea of music about Over the Top? Do you?
I actually have no idea turning the hat backwards? That's
that's that. That's the part I was gonna get to, Okay,

(01:31:48):
so um, Slice stallone is playing a guy named Lincoln Hawk.
Lincoln Hawk is a truck driver and like a semi
pro amateur arm wrestler on the side, And of course
part of the story is Christina Hawk is his I
believe ex wife, right, aren't they aren't they splits fille

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and then he has he's trying to get trying to
get the kid back, trying to get the kid back, right.
So um, he's a struggling truck driver. He arm wrestles
on the side to make some extra cash. His his
wife died and he tried to make he tried to
make amends with his son. They left behind ten years

(01:32:30):
earlier to go and travel the world be a truck
driver and send back money. And I think the kid
lives with the grand with the grandparents now or something
like that, and it maybe splits Field from the new wife.
I can't remember how it all works. What I do
remember is this that he would start wrestling with his
hat on forwards and then at some point, you know,
my hat to the back, and it was like a
different guy, right, And that's kind of what we're looking

(01:32:54):
for for a Lonzo Ball. The dog in him. The wait,
that's Damian Lillard. I'm better than Damian Lillard. Let me
show Damian Lillard. I'm better than Damian Lillard. Not the
you show me you're better than Damian Lillard. And you
should like he gets he hot potatoes the basketball, and

(01:33:16):
it's it's one thing to be a willing passer. It's
another thing to not be willing to even try and create.
It's one thing to have a bad game. It's something
to just have a game. We're just like out there
listen to what like Luke Walton coaches, especially with young players.
Alonzo's only nineteen. I never really been coached long enough
to truly be coached. He's gotta change his body's gotta

(01:33:37):
change his shot. You don't want to kill his confidence.
But take a listen to Luke Walton, who always is
gonna air on the side of being positive. Even he
was like, I didn't really see what we wanted. I
thought he was a little too passive tonight. Um, and
I think that I'll continue to be you know, It's
what I always say that the hardest thing for young
players is the consistency when you just play so many games.

(01:34:01):
He's so unselfish, you know that sometimes as the game's going,
you know, we we want him to be more more
aggressive with not shooting the ball, but just more aggressive
with attacking the defenses. And I feel like he tonight
was one of those nights where uh, you know, he
was more passive with it, uh than looking to really
attack them. And look, I'm sure you guys have worked

(01:34:22):
with me now for six months. You guys know somebody
are six month anniversary to which everybody I think comes
in days in which they're kind of in a fog.
Their mind is somewhere else to kind of like uh right, uh,
music's feed me lines Ramos is trying to try and
desperately laugh at things that I might think are funny,
but it really aren't funny, right, Dan Buyers just getting

(01:34:43):
super super annoyed, Like why do you keep coming to me? Buddy?
You obviously have nothing, but anybody has that day. But boy,
like you're in your first couple of weeks to be
an NBA player, and you just kind of like check
out a little bit, like does he he has some
dog in him? And I'm not saying he's gonna be Kobe.

(01:35:04):
I don't want him to be Kobe. Kobe's default was
give me the ball, even before he was ready to
make shots, and give me the ball. Remember against Utah
in the playoffs, rookie year, give me the ball. He
wasn't good enough. This is not about passing as opposed
to shooting. He's passing too much. He wasn't trying to create,
he wasn't trying to help others. He was just trying

(01:35:27):
to get rid of the ball make let everybody else play,
which like, look, I don't know if you've been around
professional basketball teams, but it is an alpha's world, and
you gotta ask some dog in you, and you gotta
take the ball sometimes and just go make plays. The
offense is put in place to help you just go
make plays. Some of it can be taught, no question.

(01:35:51):
Nineteen years old, he's just a kid. He's playing against
an all star, playing on the road. You know you're
gonna have good day, is going to have bad game.
But that wasn't a good game. That wasn't a bad game.
That was just a game. He was just out there,
took two shots, four assists. I understand that the best
plus minus on the team. But he was kind of

(01:36:13):
along for the ride. Like, dude, we didn't bring in
here to be Andre Robertson and just play defense, rebound
and get rid of the ball as soon as you
get it. Weird, weird, weird. Um. There is one assumption

(01:36:35):
I think that people are making about the Big Ten.
Penn State plays Michigan State tomorrow on Fox. Ohio State
plays Iowa. Both are road favorites. App it's a sini.
They're the two best teams in the conference. Okay, so
we're sure they're gonna gonna win. We'll ask Bruce Feldman.

(01:36:56):
He's in East Lancing. Plus we'll ask him about Fedlum.
That will come next in the Doug Gottlip Show Fox
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weekend in college football? Right? I mean L s U,
which I don't know how many people have bought into.
But L s U traveling Obama. Uh, that's a good Arizona.
You guys know how I feel about Khalil Tate. Right,

(01:37:39):
Arizona traveling to l A take on USC, Virginia Tech
going down to Miami. See, that's one that used to
be I talked about, like the death of Thursday night football.
Virginia Tech in Miami. Both used to be in the
Big East that you boast used to play on Thursday night. Right,
Beamer Ball Lane Stadium, Enter Sandman. Now it's gonna be
a Saturday night game. We'll see if the U is back.

(01:38:01):
But Miami, I feel like, like, look the ranked tent
and one of the big reasons is they should have
lost at Georgia Tech. We feel like they're a little
bit more lucky than good um and and my two
big takeaway from the first college football rankings were really simple.
They didn't forget about Oklahoma beating Ohause State in the road.
And they're not fooled like so many in the past

(01:38:22):
have been over teams that haven't lost a game when
you haven't played anybody yet. Bruce Felman joined us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. You'll see him on sidelines for
Fox Sports discoverage of Michigan State Penn State. Penn State
coming off a loss in which really felt like they
lost in many ways more than Ohiouse State one. Right,
Like you got a punt blocked, you don't you come
up without a touchdown in the red zone and your

(01:38:44):
your offense completely disappears late and you lose to a
red hot JT. Barrett, Bruce, let me start with Penn State.
How much does that law still sting them? As they
traveled east east Lansing. Uh. You know, I talked to
Trace McSorley yesterday, this obviously this starting quarterback and the
leader of the team. He said, you know, they had
a player's only meeting and that was the big focus

(01:39:05):
of it, which was we cannot let Ohio State beat
us twice. We can't dwell on this. We just met
with James Franklin and their staff of you know, a
couple of maybe twenty minutes ago, and that was a
point he said, you know, we had a really good practice.
He said, Trace had had a excellent, excellent week of preparation.
So they feel very good about it. But they you know,

(01:39:27):
I think deep down inside, as much as you know,
they don't want to, they don't control their own destiny
in terms of what's in front of them to get
to the Big ten title, Whereas, ironically enough, Michigan State
law last week and they come into November where they
actually do control their own destiny. If they win there,
if they win tomorrow, and then they can go out
and be the Ohio States, They're going to be in

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the driver sey. That's a big Yeah. That that that
that's a big if. It's weird, right, both teams coming
off a loss, one in overtime, one in regulation in
but both those stinking Is Michigan State legit in their
ability to compete at the top of this league? I
think that's my big question. You know, they're so young.
I mean, I look at them, I mean everywhere you

(01:40:12):
look at like sophomores and juniors and freshmen. I mean,
this is the youngest team in the Big Ten, but
they look like they're a year away. But they're actually
playing pretty well on defense. And the question is, you know,
Brian law Worthy, their young quarterback, is making plays both
with his arm and with his feet. They haven't run
it quite as well as you'd expect with LJ. Scott.

(01:40:33):
Is that some bumbling issues? But you know you can't
understiate Marc d' antonio. I mean, he's beating Ohio State
a couple of times, and you know he's obviously gotten
the best of Jim Harribaugh quite a bit since he's
been there. So we'll see. I mean, their home, they
could pull it up, so there are easily tomorrow. Iowa
is an eighteen point home dog. Eighteen point home dog

(01:40:54):
to Ohio State and local Ohio State after they lost
to UH had a couple of uneven performance to start
the year. Indiana weren't great for the first two thirds
of the game, lost at home to Oklahoma, and then
they just start thumping everybody in their path um and
but then they were they were being beaten handled by
Penn State up until the fourth quarter. Taken on an

(01:41:15):
Iowa team which nearly beat Penn State seems like a
lot for the Hawk Eyes at home. How competitive do
you think that game will be? You know, we just
had last week against Minnesota. Nate Stanley is they really
talented young quarterback. He's big, he's got a strong arm,
and he actually moves pretty well. The issue for Iowa
that I think is going to be a big problem

(01:41:37):
for them is they don't run the ball very well,
which is not what you'd expect from the Kirk Parents team.
And I think if they can't run it and their
offensive line is okay but not great, whereas you know,
Baker Mayfield can move and Oklahoma has a really good
offensive line. When you faith Ohio State, if you can't
run it and you're gonna be kind of one dimensional, Yeah,

(01:41:58):
that defensive line is nasty. Yeah. And you know I'm
not getting into, like, you know, going too far down
the Vegas road. But it doesn't She wouldn't shock me
if Ohio thinking sport and whold Iowa to seven, you know,
because their defense is that athletics. The question is going
to be, you know, will they give up some have
some big play bucks, you know, and get some some

(01:42:20):
uh some issues where there's guys running free, which is
kind of what happened at times, you know, in the past.
I just don't know if Iowa can exploit that. So
the way I look at it, and I think, you know,
I can see why the spread is as big as
as as big as is when you cannot run the
football and Iowa just can't write. Iowa States probably the
story of the year in college football. Only team to

(01:42:42):
be two top top five teams so far this season.
I mean, they'd only beat No Gloma once in all
the years they were playing, the beat him at their place.
And then of course last week they shut down TCU
uh and make Kenny Hill look like Kenny Hill of
last year turn the ball over a bunch. They traveled
to Morgantown, a West Virginia team that was just beaten
up by Oaklahoma State. I mean, really, I was that

(01:43:04):
was a good old fashioned whooping. But how real is
this Iowa State story? Oh, it's a great story. I mean,
two top five wins. You know, I've known Matt Campbell
for a while when he was at Toledo. I didn't
think he was crazy for taking Iowa State, but I
was like, wow, that's a tough job to get to
to get the six or seven wins. You only have
three nonconference games and one of them is against Iowa

(01:43:26):
who's better resourced to win, you know, than than Iowa State. Is.
What he's done in a short period of time is
so impressive, especially when you know he's doing it with
a backup quarterback. And you know, my hats off to him.
I can see why there is such such buzz about him.
And he's a big, uh substance over style guy. And

(01:43:49):
this day and age, when you usually have a guy
who's a rising star and catches catches fire and and coaching,
it's usually the opposite. Usually they seem to be more
of a style over stubstance, and um, you know, I'm
curious to see what what they can keep doing, if
they can keep hilding because you know, as much as
West Virginia really struggle lass we they're talented. We had

(01:44:10):
them against TCU atc you actually thought they were the
better team on us. It was just you know, the
punter from TCU really was sharp, and that gave him
a hole to dig out of it. They you know,
eventually couldn't do it. But I'm curious to see if
they can sustain this because even if you know, for
the first half of the year that hasn't been a
better coach in college football than what Matt Campbell's done.

(01:44:31):
You no, I I agree with you. And it'll be
interesting to see. You know, they'll be overtures for him.
You know, there'll be people who who won him and
it'll be fascinating, fascinating to see um if he leaves
in Iowa State, especially considering how beloved he will be
if he stays. But we know that that there's been
always been ceilings at jobs like that. Let's stay in

(01:44:51):
the Big twelve Bedlam Oklahoma, Oaklhoma State. Lincoln Riley's first
time as head coach My Gundy was two and nine,
two and nine against Bob Stoops. His team started as
a four point favorite. Vegas has shifted that to a
one and a half point favorite. Uh, it's at home.
You know, you go back four years ago when they
thumped Oklahoma. He's got a senior starting quarterback, He's got

(01:45:12):
James Washington, the defensive playing well. He's got some special
teams issues. Is this the year that Oklahoma State breaks
through and beats Oklahoma? You know, all those things make sense.
It's just you know, will will will somebody go beat
Baker may So. I don't know. I really think I'm
not betting against Baker Mayfield in a Big twelve game.
I know that, you know, they were knocked off a

(01:45:33):
couple of weeks ago, But I just think when he
gets into these shootouts, you know, I just think he
is so good and so in command of what they're doing.
I can't bet against him, whether he's at still order
or plan in Norman. I just uh, you know, he's
seen it too many times from him and until until

(01:45:54):
they do it, I'm gonna believe that. I'm gonna believe
the Sooners are gonna find a way just because of
just because of the Bruce Feldman check him out. Penn
State taken on Michigan State. He'll be on the sidelines,
he'll be all over. Plus he's got incredible, just incredible
depth of of inside college football information. Real quick for
I let you go. I know you're writing for Sports
Illustrated as well. If you had, if you had to

(01:46:16):
put your paycheck online, who will be the next head
coach of Florida. Um, you know, I could see it
being Scott Frost. The question is are they gonna feel
like he's ready to do it? You know what I mean?
I could see them making a hard run at Chip Kelly.
I think you know that's his mentor you know, do

(01:46:36):
you get the guy who has the proven real article.
I mean, Florida has been awful on offense for much
of the last decade. I think both of those guys
would would make a dramatic impact there. To me. I
think that's the question for Scott's Rikland. Do you take
the guy who's on the custom and we're not sure
he's ready, or do you take the guy who's who's
already been there and done it and give him the

(01:46:58):
keys to it? Great stuff. Bruce loved the work in
s I and of course love it on even more
on Fox Sports. Thanks for joining us. Thanks the Bruce
Bruce Feltman joining us. Let's bring in Dan Buyer. Uh, Dan,
I'm gonna make my picks upcoming. That's on Big Fox.
By the way, twelve pm Eastern Time, Michigan State hosting
Penn State college football game. You're watching this week? I

(01:47:19):
know you have the Fantasy Show on Sunday. They're a
college game that you're willing to call you like you
should because I have one that jumped jumps out at
me that I think people are missing that. I think
it is a really good team. They're taking on a good,
solid team, a good story. But I think the line
is off. Well. I will say this. I did bring
up Arizona USC. I'll watch Ohio State in Otowa, um,

(01:47:40):
for sure, but that Arizona USC game late on Saturday
is one that I think is very interesting. Um, just
because of your guys who mentioned their lyrical little tape
USC is at home. Um, this could be Arizona shot
to get into the Peck twLF title game. So I
like that one. I think Virginia text is gonna kill Miami.
That's my pick. Good call. Sorry, I'm sorry that no, no, no, no,

(01:48:01):
don't be sorry. Do when great minds think alike that,
or or even even average minds think alike, that's a
good thing. That's the one that I was just like.
I know, Miami's ranked tenth, but they should have lost
to Georgia Tech and weren't great against Carolina. They weren't
great against Syracuse and Virginia texts only lost was to Clemson,
and that's Clemson at full strength is probably the second
best team in the country. Like I think Virginia taste good, Man,

(01:48:24):
I think they're really good. You know, we're also in
an interesting time with college football. That l s U
and Alabama was the game regular season game on the
schedule for a good what four or five years. Doug,
that's another prime time game on CBS this week, but
it just doesn't have the buzz an a little a
little different. Um Cowboys Chiefs, that's a pretty good game

(01:48:44):
on Sunday, and the Cowboys will have running back Eazekiel
Elliott four that game. His six game band put on
hold today about the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, So
Ezekiel Elliott will go. We know Deshaun Watson won't go
for the rest of the season. Texans officially placed team
on injured reserve today. They also officially announced the signings
of Fridgent quarterback t J. Yates and Matt mcgloyd. Dolphins
linebacker Kiko Alonso find just over nine thousand dollars for

(01:49:08):
his hit on Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco in weekend. Of course,
Alonso was not suspended for that hit. Well, Auburn athletic
director Jay Jacobs is gonna be stepping down by June
one at the absolute latest. Miles Turner of the Pacers
game time decision tonight against Philly because of a concussion.
And the Houston Astros holding their World Series Championship parade
in the city today, about a half million people in attendance.

(01:49:30):
They are celebrating and having a great time, and that
includes Dallas. What the hell it took us so long
to win a World Series? Good question, I guess, but
it finally happened. The Astros celebrating coming up with the press, Doug,
I'm gonna have some great Josh Reddick sound, so I
want people to to stay tuned. You wouldn't believe what

(01:49:51):
Josh Reddick did at the parade today. Well, if he
hit something that would be better than any buyer. Let's
get to my picks, shall we there, Mr Ramos, Okay,
maybe we will, maybe we won't, Maybe we'll hope the

(01:50:11):
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Five NFL five College five. It's five for five with

(01:50:36):
Doug Godlin. Let's go five. Um. Look, I'll give you
my kind of genuine philosophy, and I was good last
week in college football, really good last week in college
fob Um is sometimes you just gotta know one team
is a better team, you know, And then that's kind
of when it comes down to, like, don't overthink it.

(01:50:58):
Sometimes the team is a better team. I'll give my
first pick. Like, look, last last week I gave you
Notre Dame and they were taken on NC State and uh,
NC State has been a good story, man, really really
good story. But part of the other philosophy is not
just who's better, who's fresher and who or who's coming

(01:51:19):
off a whoopman, who's coming off a loss. Let's start
with NC State at home against Clemson. Clemson back now
Kelly Bryant fully healthy at quarterback, but more than anything,
if they have a solid quarterback. Brian had two touchdowns
known receptions as they barely covered against Georgettech last week.
That was one of our picks. They're traveling UH to
North Carolina from South Carolina. Take on NC State, who's

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good but not great, and NC State just got their
asses kicked at Notre Dame. I think they get beat purely,
pretty handily. Here. It's a seven point line. I think
it'll be worse than that. If he gets the six
and a hook, you're in great, great shape. But give
me Clemson and the points to begin with. Uh. You

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heard Bruce Helman talking about Penn State and Michigan State.
I would be very concerned if I was Penn State
and I was taking on Michigan State team that had
the week off, or a Michigan State team that had
a huge win over like in Illinois. This is a
Michigan State team that came from behind, managed to send

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the game to a double overtime against Northwestern, but lost.
You lose to the Cats, super super, super disappointing laws
against the Penn State team motivated to blow you out.
Penn State's got dudes man and their upper classman and
a good quarterback and a spectacular running back. I just
don't see it being terribly competitive. I'm gonna take Penn

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State and the points. Penn State is a favorite UM
here's one in which I kind of like the dog in.
Iowa State has in an incredible second best past defense
in the Big Twelve. Taken on a West Virginia team
that offensively did struggle last week against Oklahoma State. Iowa

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State's gonna try and shorten the game and beat West
Virginia on the road. UM, I like West Virginia to
win this game. I just don't think Iowa State can
score enough points to keep up with West Virginia. Give
me West Virginia's home favorite. Dan Buyer already gave you
a Virginia Tech. Virginia texts a one point favorite. Virginia
texts much better than uh than Miami. Give me a

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Virginia Tech. Are we on four? Are we on five?
I've lost count? That's four? This is this coming up
as four? Well, this coming up is five? Good? Oklahoma
taken out Oklahoma State. The numbers are not good for
my Gundhi. He's two and nine against Oklahoma and I
like this Oklahoma team. I think talented. Obviously, Andrews is

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a tight end who could split out wide, is a
dangerous weapon. Did you know that Oklahoma State has the
number one past efficiency defense in the Big twelve. Defense
has been good, they had issues in special teams. Offense
has been okay, but they have two good running backs,
talented wide receivers. Offensive line has been marred with injuries,
but they seem to have short some things up. I'm
gonnaink golm the state to win as favorites. So I

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got all favorites this week in college football, Let's go
to the NFL. I like this music. Vito put together
this music because this Veto did a great job. And
if this is NFL films music, this is like new
age NFL films music because it's not like the old
music of Lamo Field. I am Mo Field. Rams are

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only a four point favorite against the Giants. Rams had
a bye last week? Did they not? So they're healthy?
Did the Giants get Odell Beckham Jr? Back? They did not?
Do they have an offensive line that's good? No? No,
they do not. Is Eli somehow six years younger, like
maybe Vegas knows a lot more than me. I But

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the Rams are better than the Giants. The Chargers, who
are inferior team in many ways to the Rams beat
the beat the then Odell Beckham full, now them Beckham
less Giants. I like the Rams and the points. Give
them to me. Um, give me another favorite. Seattle seven

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point favorites at home against the Redskins. Redskins come in
licking some wounds. Remember the biggest issue with the Seattle
Seahawks has been their offensive line. They traded for Dwayne Brown.
The defense is still dynamic. I know Earl Thomas is
out this week, though right, God's the only thing he's
out this week. I'm still gonna take the Seahawks and
the points. Dan Buyer, do you approve of that pick,

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big Seahawks fan? I like your Earl Thomas observation as well.
I think it could get dicey, but it like that
bag no I read. I read. Maybe we'll get your
update here upcoming. It's not good. UM got another favorite
for you, Tennessee taking on Baltimore. Tennessee coming off of
bye Baltimore is not any good. I know I blew

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out in Miami, but on the road, not so much.
Give me Tennessee. Other favorite. Carolina Panthers at home against
Atlanta Falcons. I don't understand what Carolina is doing getting
rid of Calvin Benjamin. I know you want to get younger.
And speedy ort wide receiver. I'm gonna take Atlanta to
win on the road. Oakland going into Miami. Miami is

(01:56:20):
a mess. They trade away Jay a g I. They
may be all upset and trying to make a point.
Point is Miami Dolphins aren't good. Give me the Raiders. Lastly,
Denver Broncos are traveling to Philadelphia, taken on the Eagles.
I know the Philadelphia is without the left tackle. I
know that without their middle linebacker, and I know I

(01:56:41):
bet against him last week in one got It. I'm
not a believer in broadcost while I'm not a believe
in that offensive line, and I'm not a believer in Denver.
Away from Denver, they heck, they haven't even good in Denver.
I'm gonna take the Eagles. I got the Eagles, I
got Tennessee, I got the Rams, I got Seattle. I
out Atlanta, I got Oakland. I got six picks in

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the NFL. There it is five NFL. Let's go five
college five for five with Doug Gottlie. How did Houston
celebrate their first ever World Series win? Find out in
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buying experience. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio Ramas, you
gotta coach this weekend? Right last regular season soccer, last
regular season game, Doug, there are lots of people like, Hey,
why aren't you in still Water? Usually be in Stillwater

(01:57:43):
because I got flag football tonight, UH eight, coaching my
son's AU basketball tomorrow morning, and then we got baseball
and uh baseball and basketball on Sunday morning. So father interaction.
I love it, Doug, Like, what are you gonna like? Listen?

(01:58:05):
I love my pokes. At one o'clock West Coast time,
four o'clock Eastern, I'll be watching Fox Sports one Oklahoma
State beating Oklahoma, but the meantime won't be I'll be Dad.
Let's get to the press, the press. What do you what?
What do you have of Well, Doug, I have got

(01:58:29):
the get in price for John Romins's final soccer game
of the year. Five bucks. You can get in to
watch regular season. That's a good man to watch the
one Wind Blue Crew go up against the Vapors. Or
something like that. Viper vipers, that's what it was anyway.
Vapors are what most people in the valley vaper. I'm

(01:58:50):
smoking vape. There's smoke that goes in your mouth, in
your lungs, right, none of that's vaping smoke, smoke, smoking vape.
I don't know what Josh Reddick was smoking today, but
he was celebrating his Astro's World Series title voices, Day one.
I've loved you guys. I know we keeps saying it,
but I really love you guys. I love every single
one of y'all out here today, the whole city, the

(01:59:12):
whole state. But now you guys know who we are.
We're limousine, rotting, shit, flying, kiss stealing, Whelan dealon, son
of a Goods who little Rick Flair there for Josh
Reddick and John and Justin Bieber? Was that who it
was as well? No, he did, he did a little

(01:59:34):
Rick Flair. Yeah, but John tried to play the Justin
Bieber at the end there. Did you like that? Rick?
No idea? Like? Yeah, I liked it, But I'm gonna
be honest with you, I haven't. There's lots if I had,
you know, Like, there's parts of my memory bank that
I just don't have. I have no knowledge at all
of wrestling none. I know who Rick Flair is. I

(01:59:54):
met it before I know the whoa. That's about all.
I like, you had to tell me that it was
Rick Flair for me to know it was Rick. Okay,
I have no idea. Like I remember watching wrestling when
I was like eight, and my dad was like, it's real,
and my brothers like, come here, let me put you
into sup plex and I was like, that's the fakest
thing I've ever seen in my life. No thanks, I

(02:00:14):
had a buddy w would put fellow friends and figure four's.
Oh those aren't pleasant. That doesn't sound pleasant, that sounds abusive. Anyway,
what else you have for me? Cowboys running back Ezekiel
Elliott will play Saturday against the Chiefs. The suspension back
on hold after a ruling today. Ross and uh Rachel
right on again, off again, on again, have a baby,

(02:00:38):
off again, have a baby. Anyway. If we were out
of break, fine by me. If he was to sing fine.
If he was to have served his suspension starting this week,
it would have taken him up until it would have
been able to return in week fifteen. But the four
Worth Star Telegram actually reached out to the NFL to

(02:00:59):
find out if Elliott's band could include playoff games. They
said yes. Elliott would ask about it today, said, well,
the documents that we had said regular season games, and
he thinks that they would have to go by the
documents that they have. But there could be some question
if the six game band gets put into effecting the
Cowboys make the playoffs. Can imagine Jerry Jones just completely

(02:01:20):
losing his mind completely. He already wants Roger. I think
we should I think we should review that contract. Right,
He's almost turned into Foghorn Leghorn, which Bobby Bowden actually
is Foghorn Leger. Well, I will, I will I. Anyway,
Jerry Jones will turn into fog Horn Leghorn or maybe
into Elmer Fudd if in fact the suspension is upheld

(02:01:44):
in time for the playoffs. Oh, that would be That
would be amazing. And I don't mean amazing great, just
just crazy in so many ways. Accredit to our report
from CBS Sports dot Com. Colin Kaepernick's legal team has
requested that the NFL hand over electronic information as they
pursue a clue Usian grievance against the league of The
report also adds that the legal team wants to speak

(02:02:04):
with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Texans owner Bob Kraft also,
or excuse me, Bob McNair, Patriots owner Bob Kraft also
could be a part of that. Accordic to ESPN, Yeah,
the in order fine collusion, you gotta find like emails
like guys, don't sign this guy? Okay, okay, who's emil
who dis It would be really funny is one of
those guys like showed up like I don't know what
have my phone got destroyed? They went all time, Like

(02:02:26):
if Bob Kraft comes in and goes all Tom Brady
and destroys his cell phone beforehand, Doug, No suspension for
Kiko Alonso now, just a nine thousand dollar fine for
his hit on Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco in a week
nine bucks for that hit, nine thousand bucks. That that's
like we had to find him for something. We feel
really bad about it. What's crazy about it is that's
a that's a small fine, But I mean, can you

(02:02:49):
imagine paying that money and be like like the rest
of us ten thousand dollars? Oh, my god, I have
like a five watch almost lost. I was sick, sick
to my stomach. Finally dug Fifty three year old Donna
Byrne busted for d u I in Lakeland, Florida, recently
after authority says she had a blood alcohol content of
point one six one when she was busted riding a horse.

(02:03:12):
She was she got a d u I for riding
a horse on a Florida highway. She was riding a
horse in a Florida highway. You said you you said
a horse, and then you're like, oh, yeah, by the way,
she was on a highway at the time. I had
a buddy who got a d u I and a
golf cart. Yeah. He was coming back from the linebacker,
which is a bar at Notre Dame. He gotta he
gotta do u I. And that's the press backing out

(02:03:35):
there and pressed. That was the press. Weird not having
any baseball because I mean, like it was we were
all into it and now we just now we're into
college football. It was like a college football weekend more
than an NFL weekend. And all right, we'll cover it
all Monday, have great guest for you. Download the podcast
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