What A Difference 1 Year Makes

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You're listening to Boom Up America Doug gott Leaves show,
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from the City of
Angels where uh yeah, Dodgers let Los Angeles down last week,
but the Rams picked him up and the Lakers won
again last night at Stables, beating the Memphis Grizzlies. Things

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shaping up on the West Side. It is getting in
in Miami. We got a lot to get to. We
got college football where from hey, Ohio States back to
Ohio States back. Um, we have the two We we
will announce the two thousand seventeen NFL September champions. We
will announce the two thousand seventeen October Heisman Trophy winner. Yes,

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I know it's November. You'll understand when we get to it.
We got a lot to get to today. But let's
start where uh. I don't know if they're shutting down
Jamis Winston because of his terrible pregame speech where he
was telling his teammates to eat the W. Yeah, eat
the W. That was that was awkward. It's awkward. It's

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like one of those rants where you're just you're it's
like blushi in um in uh animal house? Right? Was
it over when the Germans bar bomb bar Harbor. Hello,
that's what it felt like, Jamis Winston being shut down
for a substantial amount of time for the Buccaneers. They're

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two in six. But there's more to it than the
fact that Jamis Winston is throwing us here, throwing groundballs
to his wide receivers who aren't fielding it well, or
there's something amiss with his arm. This team has chemistry issues.
This team has had some injuries in the defense which
has caused it to be dysfunctional. This team is a mess.

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This team is going to fire their head coach. Then
you go to New York work and the juxtaposition with
the l A. Rams, who come in and hung a
half a hunted on the Giants, and the Rams last
year were the laughing stock of the National Football League

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against the Giants team which appears to have either quit
or simply be at such an incredible talent disadvantage that
they were completely incapable of competing with the Rams. That's
a Giants team that was in the playoffs last year. Now,

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balance that out with the Eagles, balance that out with
the Rams, balance that out with some of these other teams.
What's InVogue in the NFL is the NFL has become
an offensive league. The rules are set up so that
offensive offensive skill position players can succeed more than fail.

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That people like when you score fifty points, far more
so than when you score ten and win. Offense wins.
Defense still wins championship. Offense phill seats, offense wins you
fantasy football. Offense is fund So what do you think
it is? What? What is? Look? We saw this. It
didn't work with Mark Trussman with the Chicago Bears. He

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was their quarterback guru, quarterback whisper uh. He was promoted
to head coach and he could not handle the day
to day responsibilities. And it is not working with Dirk Cutter.
It doesn't appear to be working with Ben McAdoo either.
And yet you look at Doug Peterson, who was not
even a coordinator or a quarterback coach, not calling plays

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with the Kansas City Chiefs. You look at Sean McVeigh,
who was, in fact the coordinator, is now calling plays
and is also the head coach of the Rams, and
you say, wait, Doug, you're wrong, You're absolutely wrong. The
coordinator to head coach. It's it's sometimes it works, sometimes
it doesn't. And there's a factors at play, and I
would tend to say there are other factors, like advancing

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in your same shop is hard. Everybody says, loyalty is rewarded.
You come up, you start in the mail room, you
work your way up, and someday you son, you could
be head. Someday you in turn could be on air.
Someday you lowest man on the totem pole could be

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top of the total pole. It sounds great, but the
truth is, it's the shine box theory, right, That's what
the It's the shine box. It's uh. If you've ever
seen good Fellas, there's the famous scene in good Fellas
where Billy Batts is celebrating his birthday and of course

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Joe Pesci's characters at the bar and Billy Batts gets
back he just got back out of prison, all right,
and he tells Joe Pesci's character to go get his
shine backs because back in the day, on his way up,
he used to shine everybody's shoes, like I remember you

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when you worked in the mail room. I remember you
when you didn't call plays, I remember you went. And
you carry that bias as opposed to the ability to
remake yourself elsewhere. The parallel in Tampa with Dirk Cutter
is not that he was in experienced. Dirk Cutter has
been a head coach. I'll be in college before. It's
not that Dirk Cutter's an idiot doesn't know what he's doing.

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He's been successful calling plays in the NFL. It's that's
really hard to be the offensive coordinator and play color
of the Tampa Buccaneers and then being viewed as Okay,
now I'm going to be the head coach. Ben McAdoo
was the offensive coordinator, play caller, now he's the head coach.

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Peterson had to leave Kansas City. Kyle Shanahan had to
leave Atlanta. It's bet Sean McVeigh had to leave you see,
even Jake Gruden, even Jay Gruden who just beat Seattle
on the road. Bruton was calling plays for the Cincinnati Bengals.
So it's not that the coordinator to head coach doesn't work.

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It's that it's really hard from being an assistant to
being a head coach in the same place. And the
reason is very very simple. Coaches usually do good cop
bad cop. You guys know a good cop bad cup.
You do good cop At you do good cop bagative backup,
you do good cup. And coordinators are almost always almost

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always good cops, right, especially offensive coordinator. We don't like
the offensive coordinator. They call it plays right, They draw
things up in the dirt, They spread the football around
the key got the quarterbacks ear But quarterbacks and offenses
and coordinators are seen as soft and on the defensive
side of the ball, that means challengeable. We can chal

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lenge your authority. And when you heard Rodney Harrison on
Sunday Night Football say, I think the Giants defense quit.
When you hear about the rumblings within the Tampa Buccaneers
a locker room, and and how dysfunctional it appears to be,
the parallel is very simple. You bring offensive guys in
from a different system. They can walk are walk in

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strong armed because you don't remember them shining shoes in
the shoe box and the shine Boxcuse me, but if
you were just calling plays three months ago or fifteen
months ago, and you're the offensive guy, you're soft. You
gotta throw passes, You want to talk quarterbacks, You want
nothing to do with defense. You are challenge a bull.

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And in a world like the National Football League where
players are Do you remember, um, you guys remember in
uh Jurassic Park how they talked about raptors. Remem what
they said about raptors. They remember you? They not just
they don't just remember you. But what are they constantly doing,

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John Ramos? They're constantly testing the fences, right. They never
test the same fence, part of fence twice, but they're
constantly testing the fences. That's what dudes are like in
the NFL. They're constantly testing defenses. And when Ben McAdoo

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does nothing to keep Odell Beckham Jr. In line, the
defense is like he's soft, he's a pushcholfer. I mean,
did you hear Ben McAdoo when he was asked about
his halftime speech yesterday, keep fighting, keep coaching half time?
M okay, what that was not? There was not doctored.

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That's actually what he said. He had either something went
completely amiss that he didn't want to share, were he
had nothing to actually share at halftime. Keep Fighting, keep
coaching is the most cliche thing ever. Even if that's
what he said, there's a bunch of dudes in the
locker room going like, oh, this guy didn't have it

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even if you don't know what you're doing. You walk
into locker room and you start kicking over trash cans,
and then you take a breath and you say, all right,
we gotta plan. Here's what we're gonna do. But what
appears to be blatantly obvious. Sean Payton was calm plays
with the Dallas Cowboys. He went to New Orleans, became
head coach, but staying in the same place. When they

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remember you as the coffee and the cream and sugar guy.
Look at Arroll Watson, a right earl. Watson was the
workout coach. He was behind the bench with the Phoenix Suns.
All the players loved him, loved him. Man, this dude,
Row Watson, he gets it. He's like my age, played
in the league for thirteen years. Workout dude gets it.

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Love him. He becomes head coach, and all of a
sudden they're like, well, he can't be everybody's friend anymore.
Head coach gotta do bad things, Gotta cut dudes, Gotta
call him in and ream them out. You gotta monitor defense, offense,
special teams. Gotta get onto your coaching staff. It ain't
about just drawing up cute plays and trying to find mismatches.

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It's about managing egos day to day, and they will,
like the raptors, test that fence every day to see
how much electrical charges in it? All right, give me
your thoughts eight seven, seven nine nine on Fox eight
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the show up coming next, the Houston Astrow, who, of
course had some incredible outings in the postseason. He survived

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Game seven, pitching to win a World Series, knowing you
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week we celebrated an incredible series. The championship was one
in Houston. Get back to the NFL of coming. Uh
speaking of Houston. UM, kind of interesting how they lost

(12:30):
to such a dysfunctional group in the Indianapolis Colts yesterday
at home. How to fix those problems? One name has
been discussed. We will discuss that discussion, uh in a
bit in the meantime. Um. Lance McCullers joins us on
the Doug Gottlieb Show. They had the victory parade. He
spent the night with his bay of course. Uh. That

(12:51):
is the championship trophy which was in his room in
Los Angeles before they flew back to Houston. More than anything,
he got the start. He got the call to start
Game seven at Dodger Stadium, and he picked up the phone.
We called him today, Lance, how are you hey? Guys
doing great man for having me Lance. Okay, so, uh,
let's let's just start with day of Game seven of

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the World Series. Right. It's all anybody could hope for,
anybody could dream of twenty years from now when you
have people little kids run around asking you about what
that was like, what was the day leading up to
the game like, well, I mean the day before I
was I was ready to go out of the bullpen.
So um, you know, I was throwing. I was, you know,

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constantly being ready to come in for Game six because
we were treating Game six like like a must win
game if we have the opportunity to win it late.
So I was actually gonna come in and close Game six,
and it got to that point. So I didn't even
know I was actually starting the game until after Game
six when when A J told me. But honestly, I
felt I felt awkwardly calm um a little bit. I was.

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I was pretty nervous in the ALCS pre game. When
I say nervous out, I was just pretty anxious to
get out there, and the same thing in game three.
But the team had had a very a very weird
calm about it. We were all very comfortable going into
Game seven and new, you know, if we come and
play our best ball, we're probably take the chip. Okay,
So reminder that you were throwing at Dodger Stadium after

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Game six, you're out there in the did AJ tell
you before that, and that's why you went out there
and throw right? Yeah, exactly, Because you know, I had
tossed during the game a little bit in the pen um,
and if I was going to stay in the bullpen,
for Game seven to potentially close the game. In the
game seven, that's all I wouldn't need to throw. But
you know, I needed a little bit more work if
I was gonna start, you know, to work on some
of my stuff. So a j called down told me, hey,

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you're starting game seven. So that's why I had to
go out onto the field and play catch. I did
the same thing in New York post game three before
game four. But it was funny because I guess Clayton
Kershall had come to the mound at Mini made before
he started he was gonna start game game five. Yeah
he did. He he shot out there and he and

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he was looking at and he was throwing. Somebody said,
what you were? You were They thought you were tweaking him. Yeah, someone,
I'll have you on Twitter. You know, people on Twitter
like to come up with the crazy conspiracies. They were
saying that I was going out there to to get
back for for him doing that to us in our field,
and I was trying to make fun of him for
doing it, and I was doing it for the cameras
because I guess the postgame show caught me throwing. It
was nothing other than I literally hadn't thrown enough to

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be able to pitch the next day. So I had
to get out there and do my work. Okay, So
you get out there the next day, and you even
admitted as such afterwards that you you didn't have it lance,
but Colors joined us on the Dug gott Leap Show
on a maoutter of fact. Here's what you said after
the game. I know I didn't have much to give
other than just trying to gut it out as long
as I could. The team news you know that I'm

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not gonna short least, but everyone was ready to go
with the open today, and he saw all our best
guys come out of there, and you know, I got
it out as long as I could. This is this
is crazy, okay. So, like you're up there and obviously
you had the two nuts lead. They had the airs
in the first inning, and the second inning you had
the big you had the big home run. But you know,
there's there's there's runners aboard, and you survived those first

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two innings with without much in terms of your normal stuff.
What's that feeling like of just hoping that it's enough
to get by? Well, I mean, for me, what I
meant by that, was I just I don't think anyone
has a whole lot left to give on November one.
I mean, people forget that we're we're playing baseball at
you know, full game speed. Really since the middle of

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February went when spring training hits, because as soon as
those lives storm, as soon as those uh spring training
games get going, I mean, you get whatever you have
at that point. Obviously you build your strength during the season,
but come to Member one, it's it's been eight months.
You know, guys are dealing with injuries, guys are dealing
with just being overall exhausted. So um, we had all
of our guys available. So I know going into the

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game that you know, I couldn't read the rig on
the wall. I need to give this team three or
four good innings. And you know I didn't have my
best stuff. I was able to survive it, able to
make big pitches, got the outs where I needed them.
Um accustomed, so you know, sometimes having to work in
and out of trouble. So I was pretty I was
pretty proud that I didn't let the moment kind of
kind of get too big on me. And even when

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I was you know, kind of hitting guys, um but hey,
I don't think any of those guys that I ended
up by unfortunately hitting did much damage the rest of
the game, So maybe uh it worked out the long run.
You brush back to Justin Turner getting pegged. How do
you how do you keep your composure right? Like? You
go out there, you got a two nothing lead, and
I mean like Chris Tayl starts out with a double

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and you get a seeker to strike out. Okay, but
then you hit Justin Turner. Um, you strike out Bellinger,
but that was kind of a everybody striking out Bellinger?
I mean, but you hit two guys. How do you
not like freak out? You're up there? Game seven? You
get too nothing lead and you just hit two dudes
in the first inning, but you didn't freak out? How well,
because that was my game plan going into the game,

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I throw a lot of stinkers um down. I thought
of curveballs down. But the team Dodges are very good
down hitting team. They struggle with more up in the zone.
So I kind of changed my game plan going into
game seven to pitch more up and h I'm just
not used to it. So some of those balls are
getting away for me. But It wasn't like I wasn't trying.
I was trying to execute my plan, and I almost

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I guess you could say I even executed it too well,
as I wasn't getting up an end just a little
bit too much. So for me, when I saw that
happening from the outside looking in, it's easy to say
he has no idea where the ball is going. But
for me, I'm trying to throw it up in there.
You know, I'm just not doing a good enough job
of staying online and really sticking it up in there. Um,
I felt fine, I knew that, you know, lead off double,

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no big deal. I got I got secret of punch,
then Turner. I hit Turner, and now I'm saying in
my head, hey, don't play one pitch, two outs. And
then once I got bellonder out, I'm saying, all you
gotta do is get one out here, even after I
hit Peaks. So I kind of try to keep it,
keep it one one out of the time, one pitch
at a time. And I think that's how you don't
let you know. Moments you know, kind of get get
on you too much. I feel a big over lining guy, right,

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You're like, oh, I hit him but at least now
double players back in and you're if you look at it,
you're saying, my goodness, I'm facing the hottest hitter, you know,
Peterson with the basic load in the first inning. Oh
my gosh, I'm to lead then before you know, you're
gonna get a Grand Slam. Uh. So for me, it's
just about, hey, make your pitchons when you have to,
get big outs when you have to. And uh, you know,

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I came out of the game. No runs came across
um when I was out there, or of mine and
the guys came behind me did a great job, like
I said, So it was a full team effort in
that game seven. Uh, George Springer was the m v P.
And he goes from I mean he was he really
struggled against the Yankees to being just a complete after
game one, he was completely and thoroughly dominant, right like

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he just how does that? How does that happen? And
please don't go well, that's just baseball. It's more than
just it's not just baseball. Yeah, so how's that happened?
It happens because you know, George, George has been one
of our guys all year and everyone has confidence in him,
and he knows that we're our lists of the outcome
because he's put himself in a position where he is,
you know, held held high in the eyes of all

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of us here with with the Astros. He knows he's
gonna be back out there. So his confidence wasn't down
as far as am I going to be the lineup?
And am I not going to be in the lineup.
He may have been more frustrated because you know, he
wasn't he wasn't producing. But you got to remember this
guy hit two eighty plus and thirty plus Homer's first
half All Star. I mean, he's not really short on confidence.

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So he was just going to a little slump, and
he really started swinging out better pitches, honestly, and you
can ask him. He started kind of tightening his own
up a little bit and started letting pitches come to him.
You know, I think I'm not really a hitter. I
did have an RBI in Game seven, but I'm not
really a hitter. So uh, you know, I think I'm
really happy for him because he really showed the world

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what he's about. Lance Pacolor is joining us on the
Dug Outlive show. Did did you and your wife get
invited to the Verlin wedding. No, no, I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't know j V until he just got traded
over here. Um, but he couldn't do the lest he
could do the last minute invite, Like, look, but I'm
getting married my wife. My wife and I got married

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almost two years ago now, and the the invite list,
the wedding list, who we were inviting, who we weren't inviting. Um,
what was the probably the most stressful moment um of
our lives, way way worse than having to pitch in
the game seven. So I would never have expected him
to give a late min invite or anyone else. I know,
it's getting married. If you don't have room, Hey, no
skin off your back. You can leave me off. I'm

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not I'm not gonna be ascended. You're gonna get him anything?
Uh No, probably not, Okay, I mean, what do you
get the guy who has everything? What was your what
was your first song that you guys danced to? That's
actually a very big that's as big a decision as
who gets invited and who doesn't. Because you're like, oh,
this is our song, She's like, no, we're not playing
baby gut back. That is not our song. Our first
song was a was a violin remix by Lindsay Stirling

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of of John Legends all of me. So uh it
was it was It's It's pretty. It's actually a pretty
pretty cool remix. I think wind Sterling is super super
talented UM artists, so it was pretty cool to be
able to use that. A couple of days ago, you
guys did something the local Humane Society right for try
and rescue dogs. You guys didn't rescue another dog yourself,

(22:12):
did you? No? No, we have to ourselves already. Um.
We we actually we have adopted three total, but the
third one um is my brothers now because our she
was a female and our other female that we've had
for a while didn't didn't take towards too much. Um,
but no, we we had a big adoption event. You know,
a lot of animals got adopted, some good money was raised.

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It's pretty cool to see the city support not only
us on the field, but a lot of guys have
some off field endeavors that are close to our hearts
and we appreciate how they support us there too. Okay, So, um,
I saw the tweet when you had the championship trophy
in your room. Um, as a guy who's the son
of a former major leaguer, to have that, uh, that

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have that reality moment of holy cow, we we just
did it. Um, And I was on the mound to
start Game seven, Like what what is that moment like
where you realize kind of like your life, his life,
all the intersections and you finally reach the top of
that mountain. Well, it's kind of crazy, man. I mean
people will always ask you how to feel, you know,

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be a world champion has to feel it. It's hard
to put into word. You just feel vindicated almost like
all the hard work. You know, you feel that way
when you get to the big leagues. But when you
get here, you have you have aspirations to win World
championship and uh, you're coming into the season, was there
was there was a lot of pressure on us. I
don't even want to call it pressure obviously, expectations on
the team so you know, be a very good team

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and to achieve a lot and so to be able
to do that and you know, bring the city of
championship and which this season is starving for one for
a long time, and especially everything everyone's had to go
through UM and the way we did it, I think
I think it was just it's just a big sigh
relief and a lot of a lot of hard work
that's come to fruition. And it was cool. After we

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got back from the game, I stold the trophy out
the locker room and brought it down into the lobby
with all the Astros fans that were um kind of
hold up in the lobby, and my my family was
down there. They all got to see it and take
pictures with it. UM. So it's been a long ride
for a lot of us, and uh, some a lot
more than others. But it was just a cool moment
for everyone to experience. Al Right. The thing I got
to criticize you for is all the curveballs you've been throwing.

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I have. I have an eight year old. We've watched
all of your games and he's like, Dad, I see
you have to throw a curveball. Look, he throws a curveball. Alright.
So for the young burgeoning pictures out there talking to
somebody who has the most dynamic curveball in the playoffs
this year, when do you start throwing it? I started
throwing my breaking ball when I was sixteen. Actually, UM,

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I didn't. I didn't really pitch that much growing up. Um.
After my freshman year in my high school in Tampa,
actually committed to the University of Florida as a position player,
and I started pitching more my sophomore junior season. I
learned my curveball after my sophomore suing during my sophomore summer.
So going into my junior year is when I learned

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when I learned to throw the curve ball. But the
big thing for people asking all the time when you
start throwing, I think the biggest thing is, if you're
listening out there, don't don't manipulate your wrist to make
the ball, make the ball move. Don't don't do something
to get results that you know it's abnormal for your arms.
Find a grip that works for you and works for
your arm motion, so that makes the ball move move

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more naturally. Uh, and you you should be just fine.
So so like if you do a C grip, for example,
you know the old overhand curve that we're we're all
taught like in in in Mustang or in pony, right,
it's the idea that your your arm kind of naturally
turns over more so than just kind of trying to
twist your wrist, because that puts the strain on your elbow.
Because when you come through and you finish it, no

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matter what pitchs you throw, your arm has to pronate.
That's what kind of help helps protect your elbow, protect
your shoulder, and helps your arms slow down. So when
you're coming through and you're about to release that ball,
if you have your you know, your wrist locked or
your hand you know, really kind of spun around the
baseball when you throw that pip. If you're not allowing
your arm to do its natural pro nation post throw,

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is when you're gonna you're gonna run into injuries, serious injuries.
You know, I've been. I've had a lot of nagging
things that you know, I have to put me on
the d l here and there, um. But thankfully I
have no major, major injuries. But yeah, don't don't manipulate
the ball to do something that your body, you know,
isn't willing to make it do. All right, man, Well listen,
you stare down Aaron Judge in one, and you stare

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down the Dodgers in one. Uh. The Houston Nastal was
a World Series champions and you're a huge reason why
enjoy the victory lap and thanks so much for joining us.
Hey guys, thank you. All right, that's Lance mccollos Jr.
Joining us on the Doug got Lip Show. See, we
got a little pitching for your for your kid. A
little pitching info there you go for for Lucas Ramos.
In case Lucas wants to pitch in the major leagues,

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He's got until he's sixteen to start throwing curveballs. Then
he had to be a picture. I can't wait. Don't
even have to be a picture. You've got a little
sense of what it was like in terms of preparing
for Game seven, what that's like to to check out
the victory trophy and the fat that he was not
invited to Justin Burlander's wedding. Nor is he getting Justin
Burlander a wedding gift. Nope, can't. I was gonna suggest Candlesticks, right,

(27:09):
Candlestick st Candlestick shirt buyer. You know what movie that is? Right?
When I say Candlesticks, Um not off the top of
my head. Oh Bull Durham only saw it maybe once,
and probably the TV version as well, probably on like TBS,
like that you're not a movie movie. Not a movie
guy Ramos, Ramos, Bull Durham, Bull Durham, good movie Idham. Yes,

(27:35):
just like yeah, I just I like Susan Surrandons. What's
what's your what's your favorite? Is that your favorite baseball movie? Ramos?
Or you're gonna go like Feel the Dreams something cheesy
like that. No, No, the Natural. I like the Natural Natural.
I got a great natural story for y'all. Get to
when we need we need to hear more from Dan Buyer, Dan,
I'm sorry, No, that's all right. Major League is probably mine.

(27:55):
Dodgers picked up the option on Mogan Foresite's contract. By
the way, and Dodgers yesterday an outs on eight that
is great for looking ahead. For the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
I don't see Jamis Winston. That's because Ed coach Dirt
Cutter said today that he's gonna be shut down for
a few weeks. A lot of medical terms that I'm
not an expert on. They feel like he needs to

(28:16):
rest for a couple of weeks, and they're saying this
is not structural, but they want to shut him down.
There as a lot of medical terms that I'm not
familiar with that, I'm just dumb football coach and I
don't know what they're talking about. That's dirt cutter. The
Buccaneers a coach the Ride Fitzpatrick is the team starter
week ten against the Jets. Cowboys still don't fill up
Ezekiel Elliott for their game against the Falcons, but we

(28:38):
do know that oral arguments over a preliminary injunction on
a six game band will be held on Thursday in
the second sort of circuit Court of Appeals. Don't know
when a decision is gonna come down. Could come down
on Thursday, could come down at some other time, but
we still don't know Zeke status heading into week ten.
Week nine wraps up tonight Lions and Packers and in
the NBA Bowls. Forward Bobby Portis returns to the team

(28:59):
from his eight games to Bension. He'll be available tomorrow
against the Rafters, said coach Fred Hoiberg. Says he'll come
off the bench. He provides some punch in their lineup.
Very good. Yeah, yeah, there we go. I thought you'd
appreciate it. Here's my natural story. Um, have you seen
the natural? No? But John probably has music. I'm sure

(29:22):
music is not seen it I'm right there with you.
Has not seen it? Um, okay, So the Natural is
Robert Redford. Okay, in a coming of age tale. Now
Robert Redford. Uh. The most famous scene in the Natural
is what John Ramos, I believe it's the home Can

(29:42):
I say this? It's not a it's not a spoiler.
Don't tell us. John Okay calls you right. It's the
home run. At the end, it hits the lights and
all the things exploding around, and he's circling the bases
and he hits a game winning walk off home run
of the World Series with wonder wonder Boy the bat
I wonder Boy, that which breaks right, breaks right, which

(30:04):
wonder Boy was a bat that he made, he whittled
from his own wood. And he hits the game winning
walk off home run that hits a light standard, causing
all of the lights to shatter and break as he
rounds the basis. It's an iconic cinema scene with great cinematography.

(30:26):
And you know what it is. It's complete and total
blasphemy because it's the opposite of how the book ends.
Choose your own adventure. Maybe no, it's not a chooge.
Your adventures were awesome. They they are, there's a book

(30:47):
that's actually all right. So my senior year in high
school in uh uh a p English, we read we
read the Bernard Malamud nineteen fifty to tail the Natural, okay.
And in the book in the book The Natural um

(31:10):
the Star, it's the player named Eddie Watkas. The story
of Rob Roy Hobbs takes poetic license and embellishes was
truly a strange but memorable. Roy Hobbs is the is
the character in the movie owes money to gamble two
bookies to gamblers and throws the World Series and strikes

(31:32):
out on purpose and is thrown out of baseball. There
is no more opposite ending than the Hollywood movie version
and the real version in the book it's in Creed.
It's amazing. And I all, I know this because I
remember in senior ap English, I think it was ap
English or something. I read the book and I was like, well,

(31:53):
that's not how the movie ends, and so you had
to write a paper on it and turn it in.
And I think we had like third or fourth period
something like that. My boy Raffie La Lazarian, who was
much better than I am, but had other tests or whatever,
and we we We had UH practice in the morning
and we're shooting in the gym, and I was like,
did you write your paper? He's like yeah, He's like,

(32:14):
I I wrote it about how the symbolism of the
lights breaking and the shattering is like no, what you
didn't read the book? Did you? Like? No? Like duty
struck out, Like no, he didn't. I saw the movie.
The movie had the opposite ending. Anyway, remembers start Roy

(32:36):
Hobbs traveling by train in Chicago. He gets shot and
we got shot. These are all things. It's a fantastic movie.
Redford's amazing in it. The storyline is remarkable. The only
problem is they put the Hollywood ending. I would actually
encourage uh, some Hollywood producer to make the real movie.
It would be great, and instead throw the damn game,

(33:00):
just like the book does. There was a book. There
was John Ramos. There was a book. Hey, you gotta
ask the questions everybody else is asking. Mhm mhm, there
was a book. I don't get me wrong. Movies are
always better, movies always moving along. Usually they skip over
some some some detailed scenes early on or in the middle,

(33:25):
but to make a complete left turn. I don't remember
other books doing that, like, yeah, we know there's a
realistic ending where he throws throws the World Series. We're
instead gonna have him hit the walk off home run
and shatter all the light standards. Teddy Bridgewater could make
his return week ten. Is that a big deal, a
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(34:06):
stuff to get to. Um. You know there's a saying
I have about football players. Um, I'll play I'll play
some of the sound of some of these uh football players,
and you'll understand why my saying about football players is
in fact accurate. We'll get to that after we get
to a game. This is game time on the Doug

(34:34):
Gottlieb Show, bringing Dan Buyer, Dan what you got for me, Doug.
Today we have big deal, little deal, no Dean apparently
my last name. Big deal, little deal or no deal, Doug.
Let's start off with the NFL. It is the big
news within the last hour, big deal, little deal or
no deal, that the Buccaneers are shutting down quarterback Jameis
Winston for a few weeks to rest his injured shoulder.

(34:56):
I actually think that's a little deal. Um. The reason
is is the reason is their backup is the consummate backup.
Like I don't think Ryan Fitzpatrick is great. I'm not
even sure that he's good, but in this particular role,
he is outstanding. Like, this is why you have a
This is why Ryan Fitzpatrick exists. Are you guys aware

(35:17):
that he went to Harvard? I know I broke that.
I'm sorry. I should have should have been a better
build up before I broke that. No, I mean, like,
the first thing is when you bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick,
the starter should be very wary. He doesn't do it himself,
but every starter who's in front of him seems to
get hurt. Right, Uh, So it happened in St. Louis, Cincinnati.

(35:39):
Of course, he held the fort together before Carson Palmer
was ready to play. Then he went to Buffalo. He
was the backup, became the starter, get in the big
contract Tennessee. He filled in Houston, he filled in the Jets,
he was their starter. He through thirty one touchdown. Like, look,
he's not great, but in this particular role, he's pretty
damn good. You could do a lot worse than Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I actually think this is a little Long term, it's

(36:01):
a big deal because it could lead to a coaching change.
Long term, you have to worry about whether or not
Jameis Winston is the guy who thought he was heading
into the season. But short term, uh, little deal. The
silver medal to the Ryan Fitzpatrick and Harvard is the
Matthew Stafford Clayton Kershaw friendship, which who knows we could
get tonight with their friends? Yeah, yeah, who knew? You think?

(36:22):
I have the picture of that up. I'm not sure.
I don't know if there will be their football uniforms
or their baseball uniforms on the screen, but since it's
a football game, I'm gonna guess maybe a footballer. Heck,
they could even go soccer picture. I think they've even
had that A big deal, little deal or no deal.
Doug the NFL Network says that Vikings quarterback Teddy Bridgewater
could be activated for a week ten and be the
backup to case Keenum as Sam Bradford remains out with

(36:43):
a knee issue. It feels like a big deal that,
like the backup quarterback who's back would be Teddy Bridgewater
not Sam Bradford. Although what I told you about Bradford
I believe to be accurate. We all know the answer,
we just don't want we just don't want to reveal
that answered. The answer is that knee ain't right. And
and it all started off of arguably his best game

(37:06):
as a pro, which is Monday Night Football, right, Like
he's not gonna have surgery and he hasn't played since,
Like what is how? How are we? How are we
not determined that he needs to have additional surgery unless
that knee is just such a mess that there's nothing
you can really do other than retire. But I think
that's a big deal. Bridgewater is back. But I think
it's a big deal because it tells you what you

(37:28):
need to know about Bradford, and it also lends the
possibility that Teddy Bridgewater will be a Viking next season.
Big deal, little deal or no deal? Doug. That Jaguar's
corner Jalen Ramsey reportedly had to be restrained from going
after Bengals wide receiver A J. Green in the Cincinnati
locker room after both were rejected for fighting on Sunday.
After he got choked out and then punched A J. Green.

(37:51):
What are you doing? That's the old nuclea LuSE from
Bull Durham again, a reference that you guys don't get right,
You guys don't get this, okay, buy or do you
understand how nuke LuSE uh is a parallel to a J. Green? Okay?
John Ramos? Do you I don't know it's a parallel,
but I'm sure you'll tell us right now. You don't know, No,

(38:16):
I don't. I just want what's that? What's the first
rule that Nuke learned and getting in a fight? Come on, Ramos,
you're laughing. Time's up, John, Up? John. Don't punch with
your pitching hand, right, don't punch your pitching hand. So
if you're a J. Green and you get paid for

(38:36):
catching footballs, you know you should probably not do punch
a dude with a helmet shoulder pads and a face
mask on. Yeah, dope, come on, rook, what are you
doing there? Choking? Okay, kneeing, kicking, okay, punching dudes with
your money makers? Not okay? In fairness, John just fast

(38:58):
forwards to the nude scenes. Um A big deal, little
deal or no deal? Doug that. Former College Football Playoff
Committee member Barry Alvarez says he thinks it would be
difficult for the committee to keep an unbeaten Power five
school out of the playoff. Of course, Barry alva is
talking about Wisconsin, who nobody thinks is any good. It
was like, yeah, they're undefeated, they're not any good. Like

(39:20):
they're undefeated, but they actually haven't played. Don't worry. Look,
Wisconsin is gonna get there's They got Iowa next to
kick the hell out of Ohio State. Then they get Michigan,
Michigan at home. I mean, how about the fact and
Michigan will be ranked by the time they play them,
But how about the fact that they have not played
a ranked team all season long. Look, I want you
to remember this for basketball season. I want you remember

(39:42):
this for when we get to the end of season
and football season as well. But Just because you play
in a big name conference doesn't mean that the number
of winds and your conference matters. It's never mattered who
you play. They don't play Penn State, they don't play
Ohio State. The only time they play Michigan is at home.
They don't even play missis Chigan State. The top four teams,

(40:02):
top three teams in the Big Ten East, they don't
play this season. And oh yeah, by the way, um
the top uh what is it? The top three teams
in their side in the Big Ten West Northwestern they
play at home. Iowa they play at home. They only
play at Nebraska in Nebraskas thinks this is game time

(40:27):
on the duck got leaves Ship. I was like, yeah,
it'd be very hard for them to keep out a
no loss team from a major conference. Oh hey, look
my school has no losses. Who would have fought? That's
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All right, let's hand out awards. We have a September
two thousand seventeen NFL champion, and we have in October
two thousand, seventeen Heisman Trophy winner. You might want to
check the calendar. Next in the Doug Gottlip Show, What
Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh, we got

(41:09):
breaking news in the NFL and regards to the Tampa
Saints kerfuffle on the sidelines, we got some quarterbacks injured,
we have some general dysfunction. We have one of the
all time greats clapping back, as they say at Tony Romo.
We got a lot to That's that's media on media crime.

(41:30):
We'll get to all of that, get to all of
that upcoming, and I want to hand out some awards.
I want to hand out some awards. Look lost in
this Romo versus Dion discussion is what actually happened on
the football field. But let's get to the Romo versus
Dion first because it's great sound, and part of sports

(41:51):
radio one on one kids is you have great sound,
you gotta play it as often as possible. Tony Romo
was calling his first Cowboys game yesterday as a member
of CBS's lead broadcasting crew. He got a rousing ovation
and a welcome back video. Romo beloved member of the
Cowboy community still even though he lost his job to injury,

(42:13):
which the stupidest thing we say every year is you
never lose your job to injury. Yeah, Telly Romo just
did so. Uh. At some point during the game, I
believe he was discussing Marcus Peters, who is a very
good player and maybe an over overly discussed player, but
he had this to say during the game. He's really
good out there at the corner off coverage, but in tackling,

(42:37):
and he makes De Sanders look good at tackling sometimes, right,
so he makes deon set. Now, look, anybody who was
alive to through the Dion Sanders um era, if you will,
knew he was a spectacular kick and punt returner. Um.
I don't think there's any question he's regarded as the
best cover lockdown corner in the history that a football

(43:00):
like he had speed. Uh, he could read a quarterback.
He seemed to be able to read his wide receivers.
He was generally a menace. He retired a couple of times,
came out of retirement to play with the Ravens and
still had incredible speed and gifts. But he was also
a guy that stayed way the hell away from actual contact.

(43:20):
That wasn't his thing, that wasn't his game, And pros
always tell you played your strengths, not your weaknesses. So
it was kind of funny. Cowboy on Cowboy, Hey, he
makes Deon Sanders look like a good tackler. Funny, here's
Dion on NFL Network. I tried my best to take
the high road. I don't know the address to the
high road. So I got to come at you. Man.

(43:43):
Ten years as a starter, you're two and four in
the playoffs. You ain't one nothing. I tried to bury
the hatchet. Both of us worked for CBS. I went
and shook your hand and say, Tony, you're doing a
great job this year. I thought that would be would
never unless you keep on shouting at me. Tony, what's
going on? Man? That got a gold jacket that I
didn't buy. Dax says Hi and by Tony, leave me alone. Man.

(44:07):
I got a lot of ammunition. Man, I'm in an exception.
I'm an interception nineteen. Come home, man, you throw to
everybody but me. Tony. Come on, man, you know you
never won the big one. You know you never won
the big one, So stop man, leave me alone. I
tried to take the high roll, but I don't know that.
What an a hole. Dion Sanders is an a hole.

(44:30):
I worked for CBS. Nobody was fired up about Dion
Sanders coming back to work for CBS. Okay, it was
because the NFL network and CBS made a deal, and
he's the NFL Networks guy I know we have. By
the way, Dion is very good on TV. And that's
very very funny. If if Tony would have come at
him personally and come at him and like, that would
have been. But simply saying that's alluding to Marcus Peters

(44:52):
being such a poor tackler that he makes Dion Sanders
look good, does not in any way open the door
to you. Got like playoff record, DAC taking your job?
What an a whole, what a complete hall of fame
a whole? Like did like he's went totally personal in
terms of your career, Like well, he didn't talk about

(45:12):
his wife, no, did he went personal. He went on
all the different triggers of cowboy fans. He acted like, look,
I've been holding this back. I don't you know, I've
been holding this back and haven't let on letting on
Tony Romo for a long time. I never really liked him,
but only because he works for CBS. I chose to
keep my key and he played for the Cowboys. Keep
my mouth shut. But now I'm not going to What

(45:33):
a jerk? Who does that? And Chris Rose laughing it
was funny unless you're Tony Romo, Like Romo was not
out there was there was. I don't think anybody could
listen to Romo and think it was mean spirited. And

(45:59):
it doesn't mean the Dion is wrong for what he said.
He did have a bad playoff record, he did throw
nineteen interceptions. This is this is all true, all all true.
But what are you doing, Deon? Like is it okay

(46:20):
for Romo now to go and talk about the craziness
with you and your wife and her calling the cops
and that that kind of stuff, or the fact that
because des Briant had dinner with you and your agent,
he got and he lied about it, he got kicked
off the team in Oklahoma State? Like how personal can
we go now that you've gone personal? And Tony Romo,
what a jerk? And again this is me saying, like

(46:43):
Deon Sanders is without any question, in my lifetime, the
best cover corner and I actually think he's really good
on TV. I don't think he's great with the interview
stuff because it's all about him and whatever. He's brilliant
in regards to his ability to really really a point
on for Paul. He is incredibly well respected. You ask

(47:04):
any of these guys who are cornerbacks and you're like,
who's the goat. They'll all say Dion Sanders. None of
will say otherwise, but like what a jerk. All right,
let's get to uh Dan Buyer with some news on

(47:24):
that Saints Buccaneers fight go ahead, breaking news from Fox Sports. First,
it was Jameis Winston not playing a couple of weeks
because of a shoulder injury. Dug. Now, the Bucketeers will
be without Mike Evans for Week ten against the Jets
because he was suspended one game for violating the NFL's
unnecessary roughness and Unsportsmanlike conduct rules when he shoved Saints

(47:47):
corner Marshawn Lattimore from behind and then started a bit
of a melee on the Buccaneers sidelines. He can't appeal,
but right now Mike Evans is suspended for one game
for his actions. Yes, he almost feel bad for Mike
Evans because I think he was just coming to defend
his bull right. Yes, yes, yeah he was because he
and Jamis Winston were Lattimore and Jamis Winston were having words. However,

(48:09):
it's also on the Bucketeers sideline. You wonder if that
would have happened on a different sideline. I'm not sure,
but I don't know. It was quite a cheap shot
because it was right from behind and it was full force,
total total cheap shot. Is interesting? What what gets? What gets?
What suspension? Were like Marshawn Lynchton get suspended? He played
last week, he got suspended we before, Okay, but that

(48:32):
was coming. That was coming from off the field on
the field to try and break up a melee which
he got involved in. Mike Evans massive overreaction hitting a
guy from behind is not even looking and jumping on him.
That's I agree. I wholeheardly agree with that. With that suspension,
Oh hardly agree. Buyer. Your thoughts on Dion Sanders going

(48:53):
back at Tony Romo? Do you find it lighthearted as
Dion thought it was? Um? I thought, yeah, I didn't
find anything wrong with row most comments. I think that
that was That's something that has been talked about for
years in the NFL. It never I don't think it
ever took anything away from what Dion did either. You
couldn't throw it at us half of the field. Isn't
that what you want for a corner to heck with
not tackling? I mean, yeah, I think the proper response,

(49:16):
the proper responses. Nope, I didn't hit anybody. And yet
now listen, listen to my brain work, yes, listen to
my ability to put sentence together. So I never lead
with my head. I didn't tackle anybody, and now I
can do TV for the next fifty years. But to
go at Romo's playoff record and number of interceptions and
then go Dax says high and buy like what A

(49:36):
I'm gonna say a whole. But there's another word that
starts the D and ends with the K. And that's
what he sounds like to me, Like, dude, you're a
that's exactly what you are. I think the perfect way
would have been I got this gold jacket by not tackling.
That's how good I was. That could have been this
perfect response and said, that's how good of a corner.
I was yeah, But instead he's like, I don't know

(49:58):
what the high road is. You know what's lost it
lost in it is how much the Cowboys have improved
and how much we have forgotten about handing out a
championship award. But you guys, listen, let's present the award
the champions this September. Champions of the two thousand seventeen

(50:18):
National Football League. Is your Kansas City Chiefs. I mean,
where have I seen this before? Now, look, they had
bounced back until this week. But you watched those two
teams and you say which team was thought to be

(50:38):
the best team in the NFL for the first month
of season and which team was not. If you didn't
know records, you would say the Cowboys. But the Cowboys,
at least as long as they have Zeke know who
they are. I thought Dez looked better. They found better
ways to use des Brian, found smart ways to use
Cole Beasley, especially on third down, finding him on underneath stuff,

(51:03):
a healthy dose of Zeke Elliott and just enough Dak
Prescott like that. I mean, remember, with as poorly as
Kansas City played, if not for that crazy play at
the end of the first half where Tyreek Hills scores
from like midfield a little dump off pass. Uh, remind
me of flag football where you get so much momentum

(51:25):
that nobody can tackle him. Not for that, I mean,
what an embarrassing game seventeen take that one off the
board and not really competitive. It's crazy how we overreact
in football and how much things change. Like um, I
also have this award that I saw hold on. Let's
open us up. The two thousand seventeen October Heisman Trophy
award winner is J T. Barron. Hey, Now, remember j T. Barrett.

(51:55):
He played so well against Penn State that all of
a sudden everybody was supposed to shut the hell up
about J. T. Barrett because he's really awesome and you
don't know anything about football. If you think J. T.
Barrett isn't awesome, that's because in the month of November
he threw a remarkable fifteen touchdowns and nary an interception.

(52:17):
That means done no interceptions. Problem is, in November three touchdowns,
four interceptions, they were beating fifty four at the hands
of Iole. So look, we'll give away month by month awards,
but the season is a marathon, not a sprint and
a couple of sprinters, the JT. Barrett Heisman Trophy Winner
campaign and the kanc City Chiefs Best Team in the

(52:40):
NFL campaign. Unfortunately they realized the length of this event
up coming. Next, DeAngelo Williams will join us. I'll ask
him about Dion versus Dak. I'm not saying what what
Dion said wasn't accurate, but dude, what are you doing?

(53:02):
I mean see Dion versus Romo pointing out Dak? Uh
what does he think? Jalen Ramsey said two? Uh set
off a mild mannered a j Green And how much
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Um what Tony Romo has said, which seemed to be
kind of playful humor. He's talking about Marcus Peters in
yesterday's game, and you'll hear Dion Sanders who and look,

(54:50):
Dion Sanders is a trash talker. Deon Sanders, a cornerback.
Cornerbacks and wide receivers especially talk a ton of trash,
and Dion is great with talking trash. But it fe
like he went it went from something kind of a playful, playful,
uh joke, a little bit about more about Marcus Peters
than anything, to becoming really really personal to where Dion

(55:11):
had some pent up frustration over Tony's time as quarterback
with the Cowboys. First, here's Romo yesterday. He's really good
out there at the corner off coverage, but in tackling,
and he makes Dean Sanders look good at tackling sometimes.
All right, so it's kind of chuckles, But you know,
nobody ever, nobody ever said Dion was a hard hit
or he didn't have to be. It had to be.

(55:33):
So here's Dion Sanders with Chris Rose. I tried my
best to take the high row. I don't know the
address to the high road. So I got to come
at you man. Ten years as a starter, you're two
and four in the playoffs. You ain't one nothing. I
tried to bury the hatch and both of us worked
for CBS. I went and shook your hand and say, Tony,
you're doing a great job this year. I thought that

(55:54):
would be would never unless you keep on showing at me, Tony,
what's going on? Man? I got a gold I could
do that. Didn't buy that, says Hi, and by Tony,
leave me alone. Man, I got a lot of ammunition. Man,
I'm in an eception. I'm an interception nine. Come on, man,
you throw to everybody but me, Tony. Come on, man,

(56:15):
you know you never won the big one. You know
you never won the big one, So stop, man, leave
me alone. I tried to take the high roll, but
I don't know that you didn't even have to take
the high roll. But she just got really personal about
his career, really personal. I just that was that everybody had.
I think all of us have that inter a hole

(56:36):
in us, right. We could always say what we want
to say, but you just don't do it, even when
you're talking, even when you're talking trash, like you can't go.
And I felt like you went super personal right there.
Let's bring in DiAngelo Williams two time Pro bowler, of course,
knows a little bit about trash talking in and out
of the National Football League. Your thoughts on what Dion
said to clap back at Tony Romo, Well, is it

(57:00):
a clap back if it's the truth? Like turn to
Romo state effects? Uh deon Sanders state of facts. I mean,
I don't see what the issue is. It's the fact
that I mean, I wouldn't even clap back. I mean,
Dion Sanders is a horrible tackler. He got paid to cover.
He even said it in his interviews, and he said

(57:22):
it a few times. Hey, I get paid to cover,
not tackle. I listen, I totally agree with you. But
to go from there, to go from that too to
all of a sudden going like hey, Dax says high
and by like, come on, man, I just lost I
lost my job to injury because because I broke because
I broke a bone in my back. Like I just
I just felt like, you can do that. You can

(57:42):
do the interception thing, or you could do the you
can do the playoff record. But to just kind of
pile on and be like, yo, you sucked in the playoffs.
I'm a Hall of Famer. You know we worked for
the same company, so I didn't say nothing, But now
I'm gonna say something. I Felta. I mean, the way
I heard it was Dion apparently insecure about something that
he's admitted to in the past, which makes no sense

(58:04):
at all. I agree, But at the same time, Petty
is as Petty does. Uh. You know once Romo said
when he said he opens Pandora's box and knew that
Dr Sanders or potentially that DL would come back and
he would say something. If I'm Tony Romo, I'd arm myself.
And he has a lot to arm itself with because

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Dan Sanders over the years has put out a lot
of film, and he's put out a lot of things
and has a lot of things that follow him, a
lot of baggage that he can call him all. You know,
I don't necessarily know all the baggage and Tony Romo
comes with, but hey, you know there's baggage out there
to be spewed if he wants to do that. But
I know Tony Romo and I know a little bit

(58:46):
of Dan Sanders. I think it's just gonna stop here.
It was just a friendly jab at. Uh what Tony
Romo probably thought was a friend, and he found out
real quick that it's not like that at all. You
take a job and me in the public, I'm gonna
take a job right back at you, because the public
perception of me has the stand as it is a
good standing and not let somebody else say something about me.

(59:07):
That's Dangel Williams joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Um,
did you hear what Ben McAdoo said when asked about
his halftime speech when they were getting plastered by the
Red He'll main let me play for her. Here's after
the game, Ben mac remember the head coach of the Giants.
He was asked what he said to his team at
the half, keep fighting, keep coaching time. Um, yeah, he

(59:37):
had nothing there to offer up. And it wasn't like
he didn't hear him. He just kind of stuttered and
stammered when asked. We said at halftime, what's your perception?
What's going on in New York? Man? What's going on
in New York? There's those players that are up there. Man.
First of all, Eli Mann and hadn't been a good
quarterback for a very long time, because he holds all
the records that he holds there and because he's won

(59:59):
the two Super Bowl os. Uh, he's on that short
leash in my opinion, Uh, just like Peyton Manning. Like
Peyton Manning should have retired a year two earlier to
retire in good graces. In terms of being a great quarterback,
He's he's a great quarterback, but he finished his career
on a horrible note. Even though he won the Super Bowl,

(01:00:21):
all he did was managing. He's doing what Dak Prescott did,
but he had a better defense than the Dallas Cowboys. However,
you look at Eli Manning, and Eli Manning has nothing.
He can't he can't throw the ball standing straight up,
he can't throw the ball on his back, he can't
throw the ball away. It's a pick like it's. Eli

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Manning can do no right. And the New York Johnts,
the New York Football Johnts, can't do anything right either,
because I mean, no matter how hard Ben mcaduke coach,
he's not He hasn't lost the locker room. He just
doesn't have any players to put out there on the
field to perform. After O b J went down, That's
where the New York any fight that they had in

(01:01:02):
the dog and left when he laughed, because he's that
he's the tone center for that team. He's a huge
factor and they can't protect and Eli Manning, as you
point out, has him in the same quarterback um. But look,
we look at I proposed Dianzel Williams joining us in
the Doug Gotlip show. You look at something. There's been
a big push for coordinators or quarterback whispers become head coaches,

(01:01:24):
and it's worked in Philadelphia. But Doug Peterson went from
Kansas City to Philly. What do you mean is working
in Philadelphia? He's working in Philadelphia. What do you mean
it's working in Philadelphia. Carson Wentz looks great, the team
looks good, and they're there. There's not the in fighting
that there is in New York. Granted, personnel is better,
but stick with me first, let me make sure, let

(01:01:44):
me let me make sure we get this straight. Now.
I'm gonna make sure we agree on this dog. You're
telling me that Carlson wins is the he's the driver
of the car there. He makes he may that team.
Is that what you're telling me? No, you're you're you're

(01:02:04):
you're taking it the wrong way. What I'm saying is
if you look at coaches. Okay, Jake Gruden was offensive coordinator,
kind of quarterback whisper in Cincinnati, goes to goes to Washington. Uh,
Kyle Shanahan goes from Atlanta and San Francisco. We still
don't know if that's working out. But the ones that
have been successful have been guys that have changed locations.
They've been in in what they've been with one coaching

(01:02:26):
staff as the offensive cordinator, then changed to get their
own team. As opposed to Dirk Cutter. That doesn't appear
to be working and McAdoo doesn't appear to be working.
Is it because it's the same spot, because it's hard
to look at a guy who comes into work as
your offensive coordinator, Oh now he's the head coach. Is
that Is that what leads to them struggling in terms

(01:02:46):
of leadership because I would agree with you in terms
of personnel, but there's also the leadership void seemingly from
head coach in both Tampa and the Giants. Well, I
hate to change the direction of his argument, but I
don't think it's predicated on how good a coach is
or how bad a coach is. I just honestly believe

(01:03:08):
it falls on opportunities. And when I say it falls
on opportunities, if you look at the Philadelphia Eagles and
Carlson Wentz, you look at the Cincinnati Bengals when their
offensive coordinator last or got there that, you looked at
the Denver Broncos, you look at the the Cam Newton
he's NFL m v P. You look at all those

(01:03:28):
defenses that they had. They were in the top five
in defense overall, probably top three if you look at them, uh,
from top to bottom, there was top three in all
those categories. So they had more opportunities to perform. Would
now as you look at them, they don't have as
many opportunities as they had before. So because they don't

(01:03:51):
have those opportunities that they've had before, the numbers of
down they're not producing. And then the less opportunities, they're
making more mistakes. Whereas they had more opportunities and was
making the same amount of state the mistakes, the mistakes
would be lessened by the opportunities. So you understand, you
can't do unless you have a good defense. No team

(01:04:12):
wins in the NFL unless you have a good defense. Right,
But it's not even necessarily a good defense. It's just
more opportunities. So right now, you look at the Giants,
you know, maybe they're getting you know, twelve possessions a game,
or you know, thirteen possessions the game. I'm being very,
very extremely generous. With thirteen, they're probably getting about six

(01:04:35):
or seven. Let's just say they're getting eight, they're getting eight.
Whereas with a good defense. You know, you look back
at Carolina when they went to the Super Bowl that
year and lost it to Denver, they were getting like
only because their defense was getting out the field with
three and ounce. So it was giving the opportunity their
their offense more opportunities to uh to play the game.
It's easy to be a quarterback coach or offensive coordinator

(01:05:01):
when you get those opportunities as opposed agating less opportunities
where you can't make mistakes, because if you make mistakes,
then it's gonna cost us fourteen or seven points. Then
it limit our playbrook Now it doesn't come down to coaching,
It comes down to the quarterback decision making. Because it's
easy to call a game when you're third and four

(01:05:21):
or five or six. Then when you're third and twenty six,
Cam Newton rushed nine times for eighty six yards. They
called a bunch of caught, some draws for him, bootlegs
for him. They moved him around, but they used him
as a designated runner. It obviously worked in the short
term as the offense look good, especially after getting rid
of Kelvin Benjamin treading him, treating him to the Buffalo Bills.

(01:05:44):
But stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it right there.
I'm not gonna let you finish that. Kelvin Benjamin did
not hinder or help uh Carolina's offense. Just because he
departed up mean that there was a gaping hole left there.
He was receiver. My question is Cam Newton running the football?

(01:06:08):
Can you do it long term and keep him healthy? No, Doug,
that's easy. Let's let's let's go back to history. We
just fall on the era of history. You look back,
uh when Cam you know, and I hate to point
this out, but I got to and the Super Bowl
didn't jump on that phone ball after a while, those
hits take a toll on quarterbacks. Even Mike vick d

(01:06:32):
I'm not even hesitating when I say this. The greatest
mobile quarterbacks in the history of the NFL turned into
a pocket passer, because those hits take a toll. Man.
They heard after a while, don't I don't, I can't
if you can go Steve Young as well, who's in

(01:06:53):
the Hall of Fame, but his career was ended by concussions. Right,
that's all kind of the same, all kind of say
that you can't run around those guys are too big,
too fast, too strong. Eventually they'll catch you and they'll
hitch right, And it's a schematically These defensive coordinators, man,
they get paid these big bucks and they're going in
and they're they're studying tendencies. What do they like to do?
And I've said this all year round. Cam Newton is

(01:07:15):
the best quarterback, I mean, the best running back in
that offense by design. I heard something yesterday and I
saw something yesterday that really sickened me and pissed me off.
The I saw Jonathan Stewart have two carries, he had
two fumbles, and he was obviously having a bad day

(01:07:35):
every time he touched the ball. There after, his own
fans boot him. What are you gonna do? Man, that's insane, Doug,
I understand. But and and look it's funny where fans
they boo you, um, and then they expect you to
succeed in spite of not you know, because of them, like,
and then when you do succeed, you're supposed to be like,

(01:07:56):
oh the fans always bleed to me when they really
didn't make it hard for any but to succeed in
any work environment when you don't have the support of people. Um,
all right, Well, it's not necessarily it's not necessarily the support.
It's it's just a question that I want to ask you.
Does like as a player, I'm getting booed by my
own fans because I'm doing that obviously, Uh, you know,
it's their right to boom me if that's what they

(01:08:18):
want to do, but it's also my right or I
could do. Is I feel when you boo me, then
that obviously one negative reaction deserves another one. So I'm
wrong if I say, you know what, screw y'all, it's
gonna be all about me. And then if I move
at the beat of my own drum, then I'm the

(01:08:39):
bad guy. No. I know you're you're you're kind of
declaude as a as a human being. Right. You can't
to the clap back. You can't say anything back because
you become the bad guy because you were the one
who fumbled and they were the ones who booed you.
And like you said, they have the right. Just because
you have the right doesn't make it right. Like I,
I don't know. I just I would never teach me.
So how did you respond? I'm only asking, I don't know.

(01:09:01):
I think you can. You can. I'm a player and
I'm buy it all. How can you respond? I mean,
the only thing you can do is understand that anybody
who says we were here for you the whole time
means they weren't. They just weren't. That's it. That's how
you react. Fan Fans lie a lot. Fans lie a lot. Oh,
you're my favorite player as long as you're playing well

(01:09:22):
and you're winning, and you play for my team like
fanser on you and a heartbeat. You know that every
like right fan is short for fanatic. You're talking about
saying human beings. And if you're dumb enough to buy
season tickets to a National Football League team means you
have to play personal seat license, You have to play
for parking, pay for the ticket, pay ridiculous peces for beer.
You're not saying to do that a sane person would
go like, hey, I'm watching at home on TV. They're

(01:09:44):
not saying they're fans, they're fanatics. Don't take what they
say personally because they're not thinking like normal, normal nose
breathing human beings. I gotta ask you one more thing. Okay, Um,
you saw what happened in Jacksonville where a normally mild
man nerd receiver, right, like a dude who a J.
Green is a guy who normally is kind of uh quiet,

(01:10:06):
keeps to himself like he went crazy and went after
j Jalen Ramsey. Neither is going to be suspended. I
don't believe, right, Um, I loved every bit of it,
loved every bit of it. Is that just trash talk
going wrong? Like how does what can you say to
a dude to bring? What can what can you say
to a dude to take him to the point where

(01:10:27):
he's going to try and punch you even though you
have a helmet on? Like that's that actually makes me
respect Ramsey even more? Well, you have to one when
you're three and five that will piss you off. Nor
in the expectations that you had going into the season.
Losing is not fun at all. Like when when you lose,

(01:10:48):
then everybody's job is on the line. Trade offers are
being uh heard or listened to. Their more interesting now
than they ever were before. Uh. Any little thing piss
you off because of what you are screaming at you,
they're pushing you harder and harder, and practice like everything
is intensified. So every little thing that's said by an
opponent is a jump start something that's that's big. And

(01:11:12):
I don't know if you were watching, but him and
Ramsey were pushing the entire game, like the whole time
they were out there, they were chippy, So I don't
I'm not so sure what he said, but what he
said brought out an animal and a J. Greens I've
never seen and I love every bit of it because

(01:11:33):
it bothers me when I hear people say that football
players are sold. Uh, you know they don't. They don't
have this. We are. We are very barbaric in nature
from all the hitting and stuff that we do. So
for us to scale back on throwing punches, there's a
lot for us. So watching a J. Green just let

(01:11:56):
loose and let me know that every fight you've ever
seen in the end a and in the major League Baseballs,
where they throw punches and they don't connect, and they
don't even have helmets on. They just try to throw
punches just to give off the perception that hey, I'm
a tough guy. In football, we throw punches to do
damage either to ourselves or to the person that we're

(01:12:18):
throwing the punch at, depending on whether or not they
have a helmet on or not. Great stuff. De' angelo.
D'Angelo Williams, two time pro bowler, joins us every week
in the Doug Gotlip Show. He loved every minute of
that fight you just heard why diangel, thanks, thanks so
much for joining us. What I think, uh, I thought,
I want to know what he said to said A J. Greenough.

(01:12:40):
I want to know what he said, and no matter
what he said, the action is the action. Oh look,
he got into his kitchen. There's no question and they're
not any question that he got in there. They look,
there is a fine line in trash talk. I just
I want to know what was said and if he
he went over the line in trash talk, right, like
what was he talking about his mama? Was he talking about?
It didn't go over? So you're saying based on situations,

(01:13:02):
it was fine for him to do it depending on
what he said, But if he didn't say enough, then
it's not fine based on what he said. No, look,
aj you gotta keep you gotta keep your cool, Like
you can't go trying to choke dudes out. My thing is,
like he said, a j You can't go punching dudes
with the helmet on when you're paid to catch footballs
with those hands, Like that's that's that's stupid. But he
lost his mind for a minute. I don't mind that
guys loses his mind. Like fights happen within teams, they happen, Uh,

(01:13:26):
they happen in football games. Like I I got no problem.
I just I want to know what I said. I
want to know, like what level of trash talk doesn't
have to rise to to get A J. Green to
want to choke you out on the football field. He
had to say something that set him off. There's gotta
be something that goes in the Skuyterport that that you
now say about Aja Green that sets him off. Yeah.
And what's even better is that the next game, everybody's

(01:13:48):
gonna watch it very close, and I bet that corner
is gonna be on his best behavior. Because he knows
that a J. Green come up with hands yea, thanks
so much. Thiangelo D'Angelo joined us. Let's get to uh
Dan Fyer with a quick up. Ate what he got, hey,
Jalen Ramsey, eliminate a J. Green? Alright? Done? Um. In
the NFL, Buccketeers wide receiver Mike Evans suspended one game
for violating the NFL's rules on unnecessary roughness and a

(01:14:11):
sportsmanlike conduct. What he pushed Marshaw and Lattimora the Saints
from the back during Sunday's game. After Lattimore and quarterback
Jamis Winston, we're having words. We'll get to Winston in
a sect. But Evans can't appeal this one game suspension,
but right now he would miss Week ten against the Jets.
Jamis Winston is gonna miss at least two weeks of action.
According to Buck's head coach Dirt Cutter, They're gonna shut

(01:14:31):
him down because of a shoulder injury. So Ryan Fitzpatrick
will start in Week ten against those Jets. Broccos have
the Patriots coming up on Sunday night, and brock Oswilder's
gonna start again for Denver. According to the head coach
Van's Joseph, who says that Oswiler has earned another shot
at trying to grab the starting position. Jets wide receiver
Jeremy Curley suspended four games for violating the NFL's peed policy,

(01:14:52):
while Ezekiel Elliott has that six game ban and oral
arguments over a preliminary injunction on the suspension will be
heard Thursday in the Second Circuits Court of Appeals. But
the thing here, Doug is while the session will take
place on Thursday, it's not known when a ruling will
come down, so we still don't know if zek is
gonna play against the Falcons coming up on Sunday again.

(01:15:13):
With it probably by midweek he won't be playing, and
then by Sunday he will be playing somehow, right we'll
be We'll still be lost. Yes, it's it's could be
another Friday thing as well like we had last week. Alright,
Coming up next on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Um, you
will be surprised at who is pointing out that Kirk
Cousins did something that Ben Roethlisberger has never done. Find

(01:15:38):
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Fox Sports Radio. Uh, crazy weekend the NBA too, Did
you guys see the Calves loss to the Hawks. The

(01:15:58):
Hawks are like the worst team in the NBA. This
this like what we remember is Lebron drop fifty seven
on Friday. We don't pay attention to NBA on Sundays.
Thanksally lost at home to the Hawks. That's a wow.
That's a big, big, big, big big row big well.

(01:16:19):
Johnny Depp facing foreclosure, X manager calls in five million
dollar alone. Like Johnny Depp, He's made a lot of
money in movies, hasn't he like living? Like listen, living
that pirate lifestyle? All right. We always get on to
people who trying to live that rap star lifestyle. Like, look,
rappers don't own those cars. Women don't flock to them

(01:16:40):
the way they do in videos. All right. You know what,
we also got to get onto actors who they method
act their way, you know, method acting their way through life.
Pirate lifestyle doesn't work in two thousand and seventeen, Johnny
doesn't work at all by every day. This time we're
trying to bring back to be a portion of something

(01:17:01):
you heard on Fox Sports Radio or on Fox Sports
one that plays on Serious x M Channel eight three, undisputed.
As Shannon Sharp on it, he had this to say
about Kirk Cousins, My first cousin gonna make a lot
of money. And he for real because he did something
Tom Brady. He did something Aaron Rodgers has yet to do.
He's done something that Ben Robinsburger has yet to do.

(01:17:24):
Those three guards are going to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame five years after they hang their clicks up.
They have yet to beat the Legion of Boom in Seattle.
This is what makes what Kirk Cousins did more impressive
without his two best pass catchers, Jordan Read and Crowden
out four of his starting offensive linemen. So let me
tell you what I'm gonna do to you, Tom Brady.

(01:17:46):
I like you. I'm gonna take Grounk and I'm gonna
take Edman away, and I'm gonna taking four of your
best offensive linemen, and I want you to go beat
them like he had a good day. But I mean,
if the point is that makes uh, that makes Kirk
Cousins somehow better than um better than those previously listed quarterbacks,

(01:18:08):
I'll give you the Arizona Cardinals. Oh, Carson Palmer end up.
You know they beat Seattle there last year. UM So
I don't know. Man, it was a good win, and
especially when he smartly contextualized it with the missing for

(01:18:29):
offensive lineman. They're missing there two best pass catching wide receivers.
And he did play a solid, close to the best game,
and they did so with fifty one yards rushing just
fifty one. But part of it is this is a
highly flawed Seattle team. I didn't think Russell Wilson was
particularly good. He threw a couple of jump balls, he

(01:18:49):
threw two interceptions, and they can't run the football either.
They had a hundred forty eight yards rushing, but seventies
seven which were Russell Wilson. He's their best running back
and that doesn't usually work out well. They got their
own offensive line issues. I think it points more to
just how big the problems really are with the Seahawks,

(01:19:09):
who had won four consecutive games but probably should have
lost the Rams and the other three teams. They beat Colts, Giants, Texans.
Remember they beat the Texans only after uh Deshaun Watson
went down with injury. So look, do I think Seattle
is gonna go to the playoffs? Uh? Probably as a

(01:19:30):
wild card team. Just there's not enough good teams. They
have Arizona on the road, Atlanta home at San Francisco
before they get the Eagles and Jags on the road,
and then the Rams, so they got a couple of
games to kind of figure out some of their issues.
But this is not a great This is not it's
not a great Seattle team. And oh yeah, by the way,
as good as Kirk Cousins is, didn't um Blair wallsh

(01:19:52):
she missed two field goals in the first half. Dan,
how much of yesterday's win was about Kirk Cousins? How
much of it was about the laws of the season?
Sixteen penalties see a three missfield goals by Blair Walsh.
I think that Seattle had a lot of issues and
cousins numbers look a lot better because of that last
drive where you'd give him credit. But there was a

(01:20:12):
catch that they had by Brian Quick and then the
docks and catch was was pretty amazing, but a lot
of it came on that final drive. It was a
it was a big issue with the Seahawks mistakes yesterday.
I tend to agree with you. The missfield goals are
are huge. And this is you know Blair Waalsh remember
game winning kick first week of the season against the Vikings, right,
went around celebrating like Blair wallsh, don't you kind of

(01:20:34):
have It wasn't week one, but it was earlier this season.
Don't you kind of have a history of missing big kicks?
And of course that that history has re emerged in Seattle, rainy,
ugly day, ugly football game in Seattle. It also reminds
me of the argument, you know, Brad Johnson and Trent
Dilfer one super Bowls but Dan Marino didn't. It's such
yet it's a real flawed argument. Now, the best part
of his argument was looking how many guys they were down,

(01:20:56):
they still found a way to find a found a
way to win a game against Seattle. Good art, human
and game winning drive. Good argument. Can't argue with it,
But that's really where you should leave it. Don't go
to the Roethlisberger, don't go to the Aaron Rodgers, don't
go to the Tom Brady because no one would agree
with you on that. You're just you're making a point
to just make a point that doesn't really make sense
in contact. Oh boy, we're gonna have to get too.

(01:21:21):
Oh cars Wentz is really really good man. Watched him
a bunch yesterday. Crazy how things change. I was watching
the Giants and the Rams, and just remember it last
year the Giants from the playoffs and the Rams of
the laughing stock, and now it's like, okay, this year,
you'll be the laughing stock and we'll be the playoff team.
Got it? And what change? Head coaches change and massive

(01:21:45):
personnel change. That's that's really what? What kind of change?
A matter of fact, that's not the those aren't the
only two teams that are like that, But it's the
watching one and the other and which and how to
go about flipping that script? How to go about it?
I'll give you another game that happened to a matter

(01:22:06):
of fact, I'll do that upcoming next. What a difference
a year makes in the NFL. That's next is the
Dug Gotliep Show, Fox Sports Radio. What up? It's Dug
Gotliep Show Fox Sports Radio. So much to get to today.
I mean, like, I can't even get into the NBA.

(01:22:28):
Where do you guys see that James Harden had fifty
six on twenty five shots, also had thirteen assists. Wow,
christophs porzingis getting buckets. You know, Christoph Perzingis's brother is
basically LaVar Ball, only um he hasn't yet named his
own brand. Like he's like, well, you know, we gotta

(01:22:48):
have it's more than just you know, points in order
to keep Christops in New York is not leaving New York.
Shut up, all of you people who are parents or
brothers of the actual athlete. Shut up. We don't actually
care about you. We don't care. We care about KP.

(01:23:10):
But now we know KP has got a crazy person
in his ear just like Alonzo Ball. Yeah, you got
a crazy person. They're really good KP for much further
along and probably more, much better and more impactful than
Alonzo Ball. But just shut up. And while I why
I have never been terribly bothered by LaVar Is because

(01:23:33):
this is kind of the case in basketball. Everybody's got
a crazy parent, brother, uncle, nice nephew, somebody in their ear.
Case some point, Kristas prosingkis so uh, I was thinking,
I like the word juxtaposition, juxtaposition, and I'll be honest
with you, to juxtapose the juxtaposition, the the definition of

(01:23:55):
is the fact of two things being seen or placed
together with contrasting effect. Right, So it's one thing to
watch one and watch the other. It's really hard. Like
that's the hard thing about college sports is watching Wisconsin

(01:24:15):
play and watching Oklahoma play and you're like, wow, Wisconsin's undefeated,
but Oklahoma just laid like sixty somehow points against Oklahoma State. Like, well,
Olcloma State, it's not that good defensively, but they're really happy.
It's a hard you can't juxtapose because they're not at
the same time. And so while people say, well Oklahoma

(01:24:37):
has no defense or they don't play any defense in
the Big Twelve, like Okay, but they held Ohio State
to sixteen points in the Horseshoe, so maybe they have
defense against Ohio State but not against Oklahoma State. They
gave up fifty two. But these scorps sixty two. That's

(01:24:58):
the hard juxtaposition. Really, it is. Um The NFL yesterday
provided us for some really did really did it gave
us and gave us the Rams and the Giants. Giants
were a playoff team last year, They're won in seven

(01:25:19):
this year. Rams were a disaster last year. Fired their
coach at about this time last season, there's six and
two and they didn't just beat him, they they put
them into submission fifty one to seventeen. Right. The same
can be said for the Broncos and the Eagles. Granted,

(01:25:40):
the Broncos last year were not a playoff team, supposed
Super Bowl hangover, and the Eagles were rebuilding, but the
difference was pretty clear. And they look the Broncos are
gonna start off while this upcoming weekend and I'm not
really sure if it if it mattered this last weekend,
Philip he is very good up front. They're playing at
home and there was no offensive line play from the
Denver Broncos at all. But the juxtaposition of one team

(01:26:02):
has their future or current franchise quarterback and the other
one does not is the Eagles and the Broncos. Is
the Eagles in the Broncos. Uh? And I thought you
got the same thing with the Cowboys and the Chiefs. Now, Look,
there's more that goes into it. There's a lot of
injuries with the Kansas City Chiefs, But all we had

(01:26:25):
heard about was, Hey, this is a this is a
different Kansas City team, this one that throws the ball
deep down the field. Like, okay, you know, if you
take away Tyreek Hills fifties six yard catch and run
where the Cowboys played way back, you guys ever seen
a play like that? I saw it. I think USC

(01:26:45):
scored on a on a play like that a couple
of weeks ago. Do you can see the play at
the end of the first half Cowboys and Chiefs. The
Chiefs said there was two seconds remaining in the first half.
Two seconds and um the uh the Chiefs, they're too

(01:27:06):
far for it was at the Kansas City was it, uh,
forty four yard line on their own forty four So
they dumped the ball off to Tyreek Hill, gave him
some blockers in front. He took it all the way
to the house. Like, why are you pointing that out?
We remember the play. If you take away that fifty
six yard catching run in which the Cowboys gave up

(01:27:29):
they were trying to give up forty yards, not trying
to give up fifty six yards, right, they were playing
Hail Mary defense poorly, but they're playing Hail Mary defense. Right.
They had like six guys all the way back from
the ten yards lyne in and some good blocking for
the Kanci Chiefs, and he scored. If you take that off,

(01:27:51):
you take off. If you take off fifty six yards,
So you have twenty four completions for just about two yards.
That's four yards a reception, right, so Alex Smith ends
up with seven point seven yards of reception. It looks
like he's still throwing the ball downfield, but the reality

(01:28:13):
of it is everybody knows how to play Alex Smith.
Now playman zone, keep him in front, trying to pressure
the passer, and they're no longer running the footballs effectively.
Kareem Hunt only thirty seven yards on nine carries. The
juxtaposition of the Cowboys who struggled out of the gate
to start the season and now seemed to be finding

(01:28:33):
a rhythm. Terence Williams become a bigger part of their offense,
whereas Jason Witten has starting to be phased out because
Jay's Witten is over the hill. Cole Basley on first
on third down underneath des Brian still trying to catch
jump balls. They got Sean Lee back, which which solidifies
their defense against the run. David Irving is back, which

(01:28:54):
solidifies their their past rushing defense. The Cowboys have gotten
better and the Chiefs have gotten worse. Don't believe me.
Watch the two teams play on the same field. It's
the juxtaposition, the the fact of two things being seen
or placed together with contrasting effects. One team's five and three,
the other one six and three. But they're going in

(01:29:15):
complete opposite directions. The Cowboys appear to be peaking and
the Chiefs, who have lost three or four, are in
fact fading. Now, look the chief said the Giants in
the road, that's a win. They get the Bills at home,
They got the Jets on the road. That they'll win
at least two of those, maybe all three of those
before they return home for Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins, Oh, very

(01:29:37):
winnable games. I would guess that the Chiefs end up
losing maybe one more game the rest of the season.
But they are not as good, at nearly as good
as people thought they were that first month of the season.
The Cowboys have a very different and more difficult schedule upcoming.
They code to the Falcons, returned to the Eagles, Same Chargers, Redskins.

(01:30:00):
Thin on the Johnson Road not tough game to the
Raiders on the road against Raiders is tough. Seahawks at
home at Eagles far more difficult schedule. Cowboys will lose
two or three more. But the Cowboys have won three
in a row. They've gotten healthy with Shan Lee, They've
gotten eligible with David Irving coming off a pe D suspension,
and as long as they have Zekei Elliott. They understand
now who they are offensively. Their record may not have

(01:30:23):
reflected as much, but seeing them on the field at
the same time of the Kansai Chiefs, one team is
a team that you could think when could win the
Super Bowl. The other team is a team whose record
is really deceiving as to how good they are. That's
the Chiefs. Why juxtaposition makes sense? Good? What a difference

(01:30:44):
of yere makes Huh? What an incredible difference. I want
to get to what Bill O'Brien said about that Colin
Kaepernick and why I think everybody in the world will
completely overreact to a completely reasonable and accurate response. Plus,
Brian Baldinger will join the show and I'll ask him
forget about knowing him and understanding him just cap actually

(01:31:08):
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They're talking about the possibility of not starting Eli Manning
this week in New York. He started from fourteen consecutive years.
That would be a win for Gottlieb. Win it when
it didn't, I say they should explore the possibility of
trading him to Jacksonville because long term, they got to

(01:32:34):
completely rebuild this thing, and I'm not sure Eli Manning
will be good enough by the time the Giants are
good enough. Um, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna play
for you a portion of what Bill O'Brien had to
say before Brian Baldinger from the NFL Network joins us
Bill O'Brien of the Houston Texans. But first look, some

(01:32:55):
people are just not good at firing up other people.
So we're just not good at at at public speaking.
Like tomorrow, I'm gonna do the show from Stillwater, Oklahoma.
Now I'm doing don't laugh. The School of Business they
have a conference on ethics, so I'm talking about business ethics.

(01:33:16):
I have no idea what we're talking about. No, I'm
not like Romo's is laughing. I really don't know, Like
I've been trying to. I usually work it out in
my head, jotted down a couple of notes, right, all right,
But when the red light goes on or somebody says, go,
I know about how long to talk about? How to
do it? Tell him a joke, um, and I'll figure

(01:33:39):
it out. But not everybody is good at this, and
it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, right think not just
not everybody's good at press conferences and analogies. Like here's
Cam Newton trying to analogize his team continuing to push

(01:34:02):
ahead even though they trade away Calvin Benjamin. You know, yeah,
we just lost a great player. But nevertheless, you know,
the Titanic stew that has to go um um, the
Titanic sunk. Cam, I don't know how, like, are you

(01:34:24):
trying to tell me that Kelvin Benjamin was an Iceberg
dead ahead and no one realized the damage done by
the by the terror in the hull left behind from
Kelvin Benjamin being traded away. You know, yeah, we just
lost a great player. But nevertheless, you know the Titanic

(01:34:46):
stew that has to go. Yeah, I don't even think
that's close to the parallel you want to make. Yeah. No,
I'm gonna go out and live here and say that.
Cam does not realize the Titanic sunk, nor has he
ever seen the movie Titanic. There's no way Iceberg dead ahead.
I know how the world works. But listen, he doesn't

(01:35:12):
have to be good at analogies. Doesn't just don't make them.
We'll make them. It's like not funny guy trying to
crack a joke. Hey, look, Jamis Winston got all that
credit for um. Remember when he went back to Florida
States game to start the year. Go back to last year.
So y'all, y'all some puppies, y'all playing like puppies. We

(01:35:34):
some dogs, remember that, we some dogs. And because that
was so well received, Because it was so well received,
he chose to give another impassioned pregame speech that was
caught on camera by our Fox TV crew. I wonder
about look at me. I'm gonna passing the coin up.
I say one day, not nothing work, nothing's having If

(01:35:56):
you want to adopted, it's can cuss. He can't go
ct because he's like in his third year in the NFL,
like if your post career like, man, I'm sorry, I
got I got a little ct setting in right or
I was concussed. That was before the game, before you
may lay a hand on him. That was the That

(01:36:16):
was the blue Tarsky. That was the blue do coming
in saying was it over when the Germans broke bomb
Pearl Harbor. He's not a roll. Oh yeah. By the way,
they also got blown out by the New Orleans Saints.
Some people aren't good at pregame speeches. Some guys aren't
good at the podium thing. What really matters is are
you good on third down and good in the red zone?

(01:36:41):
All right? Tom? The Houston Texans lost the Indianapolis Colts,
which didn't appear like the Cults are not good at
this tanking thing. They tried to let the seemingly tried
to let the Texans come in and win the game
at the end, but top Savage was was incapable of
doing so. Earlier today, this was Bill O'Brien, head coach
of the Houston Texas has when asked about whether or

(01:37:01):
not they discussed bringing in Colin Kaepernick. We talked about
the roster and what's out there every day. Rick and I.
You know, look, we haven't even watched the tape of
the players today yet, so it's like two separate discussions.
So and I haven't even seen Rick yet. Today. I've
been I've been watching the tape and getting ready for
a noon meeting with the team. There's a discussion about

(01:37:23):
the roster and what's out there every day has been
discussed by you guys. I mean, everybody gets discussed. Is
that a problem? Isn't that the way most teams do it?
People seem shocked by that. It's kind of very, very
matter of fact, and I think it's a fair response.
I guess my only question is, and you know, we

(01:37:45):
need somebody who's an expert on it. The offense that
they had changed, they had all kinds of offensive line issues.
The offense they had changed to was more of a
college offense, a lot of r P O s, a
lot of motion, some option creativity, uh tied some of
the inexperience of Deshaun Watson and wouldn't standard reason that, hey,
maybe Colin Kaepernick could provide that same sparks seeing as

(01:38:07):
we've seen a lot of Tom Savage and none of
what we've seen leads us to believe he can lead
them to the playoffs. Let's welcome to Brian Baldinger does
a great job over the NFL network. He joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's not Is it crazy
for those of us who didn't play, who aren't experts
to say, hey, I watched Kaepernick and I know not
all athletic quarterbacks are the same, but it does have

(01:38:28):
some experience. He did run kind of a creative offense
in college or some creativity at times in San Francisco.
Is it crazy to think he could be the best
possible option out there for the Texans. That's not crazy
to think of that right now, Doug, Uh, You know,
Deshaun Watson was on a pace that we've never seen before.
Um seventeen touchdown passes in his time. In the offense

(01:38:51):
that he was running, he isn't the offense that they
prepared for in ran in the spring of the summer.
I mean it was catering to Deshaun Watson. It was
changing weekly and um, you know, his ability to see
the field, to extend plays, all that stuff was, you know,
it was phenomenal, was great to watch, great, great theater.
That game in Seattle was as good a game as

(01:39:11):
we played in the NFL this year. Uh, and that
offense continued to expand because of the abilities that Deshaun
Watson kept displaying. Is it ridiculous to think that Colin
Kaepernick could do some of those things? No, it's not
ridiculous to think that at all. But they haven't picked

(01:39:32):
up the phone and there so to this point, it's
Tom Savage, it's mcgloyd, it's t J. Yates. It's guys
who are either familiar with O'Brien or familiar with Houston,
which is kind of part kind of normal for the
course in the NFL, normal for the course really in
any business, right, you hire the guys that you know
how you connect the dots, Doug, you always connect the dots.
So I mean you took him to who was in

(01:39:52):
the playoff game with them and Savage, you know it
was in the playoffs last year and started the season
this year. You go with's what you kind of know,
Oh that stuff is true, and it's fair. Now, Look,
I know people in this league that don't think Colin
Kaepernick is very good and he's wouldn't be a great
backup if he had to go into Houston and be
a great backup where he's got to help the starter

(01:40:14):
until he becomes a chance to become a starter. I mean,
I know guys that believe that. I believe he's not
ever going to be accurate enough to be a real
good player in this league. That's just coming from people
that have coached him and played with them. That doesn't
mean that he can't at a spark to the Houston
Texas right now, a team that looks like they desperately

(01:40:35):
need one tender. Agree with you, Doug got Show, But well,
well we shall. We shall see what they do. Um
what happened to Kansas City. I know they've had some injuries,
um on on both sides of the football. I mean,
I think the Eric Barry injury is still one that
will always hurt you because he's arguably the best of
his position in the sport. But I watched them against
the Cowboys. Cowboys get Sean Lee back, to get David

(01:40:57):
Irving back, and they appear to be improving as opposed
to Kansas City seems to be leveling off, losing three
over their last four. What's happened to Kansas City. Well,
let's see, there's a lot of things that have gone on.
I mean, one is Dallas is as a totally different
team defensively when Shawn Lee's in the game. I mean,
he's just one of those guys that gets everybody lined up.

(01:41:19):
You don't block him. He will make every play in
the run game. Maybe he's just a computer out there
and he gets to the football. They're a better defense
when he's on the field. They're good offense. They're a
really good offense, and that's a tough team to defend.
And Dak Prescott, you know, made a lot of really
good throws yesterday. Des Bryant got involved, Called Beasley got
in the end zone for a couple of times. They're

(01:41:41):
tough to stop. Kansas City has been beat up up front.
They still have not played with Laurent Duvenai tardif they
were out with they were out with their center. Mitch
Moore's for a long time. He's back now, he's getting
back into shape. They're not getting the big plays that
they were getting earlier. They're not getting Kareem who was
on pace for well over two thousand total yards. They're

(01:42:03):
not getting him loose the way they once were. I
thought they ran into a pretty good football team on
a short week yesterday afternoon, and I think that was
part of it. Brian Baldinger joining us on the Doug
Gottlip Show here on the Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Cam
Newton had a much better game than he had had

(01:42:23):
previously with Kelvin Benjamin, but they did so using him
as their lead running back. How much longevity does that have?
I mean, like, look, we've seen so many athletic quarterbacks
get hit, get beat up. I know he was sliding
and he's sliding well before contact, but I'm just I'm
just wondering if you can do that for the entirety
of an NFL season, I don't know. I mean, he's
been beat up before. He was doing that scoring ten

(01:42:45):
touchdowns two years ago and the m v P of
the league. Um, if you try to protect Cam Newton
from getting hit, from getting injured, I just think you're
wasting your time. I mean, part of what makes him
oh unique is his size and his running a building.
He's an excellent runner. He's hard to tackle. He wears
defenses down. If you're gonna just keep throwing screens and

(01:43:11):
checkdowns to Christian McCaffrey and gaming six yards, you're you're
not going to get the chunks you need. You're not
going to get the third down conversions you need. They're
a more difficult offense to defend when Cam Newton is
a viable runner. Now will that will that catch up
to him? It might, but I don't think that they're

(01:43:32):
going to get to the playoffs unless they act and
use Cam Newton in the running game. Right now, I
don't think they're gonna come out of the NFC South
with New Orleans out there right now. I know Atlanta
is struggling, but I don't believe they'll come out of
winning that division unless Cam Dowton is a big part
of that offense, and that is being a runner as
well as what he does. Thrown help me out with

(01:43:54):
with what's happened to Dirk Cutter and if there's any
similarities in what's happening to Ben mckin and look, I
started the show ball he's talking about. Look some of
the a lot of these coaches now were the quarterback whispers,
offensive coordinators from from Jay Gruden, uh even Doug Peterson.
I know he wasn't calling plays in Kansas City, but
and he was in large part to help fix their

(01:44:15):
quarterback situation. That has worked, But the ones that have
worked have been guys that have gone other places as
opposed to Cutter going from the quarterback guru to being
the head coach. Ben McAdoo kind of the exact same thing.
Is it about changing locations so that people don't don't
liken you to the same guy who was the coordinator
now being the head coach, or is it about the
personnel that's really brought down the Buccaneers brought down the Giants'

(01:44:41):
I'm I'm shocked by both teams. I really am, Doug.
I saw I saw Tampa in the preseason, and I
saw all the new additions, I saw the attitude, I
saw the coach, and I saw it all, and I
I'm shocked. I mean, I was shocked away. I was
shocked by Caroline's downfall a year a though all the
tools are there, James is not making the same place
that he made a year ago, and they're turning the

(01:45:03):
ball over too much. I saw him up in Buffalo
with a chance to win the game two weeks ago,
and they made you know, they fumbled late in the
fourth quarter with a chance to go win the game.
They're making the plays that are costing them games right now,
and the offense has never gotten into gear. It's never
clicked this season. And I don't know, like it's still

(01:45:25):
you know, you still got a half the season to go.
But sometimes you find it. They found it last year
the middle of the season, they won five in a row.
They made a run to the playoffs. They lost to
Dallas and they kind of got bounced out, but they
looked like a team that was on the rise. But
last year has nothing to do with this year. They
just haven't clicked yet. De Sean Jackson, Michael evans, O,

(01:45:45):
j Howard, all the pieces they brought there to really
surround themselves with Jami's and give them the best possible
weapons you could get. It hasn't clicked. Is that Dirk
Cutter means the same offense is last year. They're just
not making the plays this year. Um, New Orleans start
out oh and two and I left him for dead.

(01:46:06):
I just did you know the defense. You know why
you did, though? Do you know why you left him
for dead? Because of what they've done the last three
or four years. You're like, Oh, it's the same old
Saints no defense. That's I mean, and that's not You're
not wrong. You're not wrong at all by saying that
after two games, but totally different defense. It's a totally

(01:46:27):
different defense. Marshall and Lattimore. He is such a spark
right now, Doug. He is the best corner I've seen
him coming in this league since Darrell read this period.
You can give him a third of the field, a
half of the field. It's not just cornerback play. He
is football smart. He understands how you attack. He knows

(01:46:51):
when to lay off. He's a tackler. Now you add
Sheldon Rankins and Cam Jordan's right, he has something on Yachta,
and you add you know, von Bell and you know
you look at Kenny Ricarroll. They looked like he had
him on a trading block five weeks ago. He's a
valuable play defensively right now. They sparked this turnaround. I

(01:47:12):
know that the Broncos winning the Philadelphia and the and
the Eagles have a tremendous front seven. The Broncos offensive
line is not good. That's not good. Um, But I mean,
how can John Elway strike out on so many quarterbacks?
Right like Packeon Lynch isn't healthy. But there's a reason
that they didn't hand the in the ball to Paxson
Lynch to start the season. How can the Broncos swing
and miss on so many quarterbacks. I'll say this to

(01:47:35):
I did that game for National Radio today and I
was talking to a high ranking Eagle personnel person and
quote unquote, he said this about brock Os Waller. He
stinks and he did yesterday. His job yesterday was to
manage the game defensively. They were hoping to be able

(01:47:55):
to stay in the game and have brock Os while
handed off to a pretty good luck attack, you know,
and not turn the ball over. And in the first
quarter he turns turns the ball over a terrible throw,
and the Eagles took it and scored, and you know,
and they just kept piling on. He had two terrible
throws for interceptions, probably should have another one pick He's

(01:48:16):
and the Eagles Jim Schwartz knows that at six ft
eight he's a long stride or he doesn't throw off
his back foot. You know, he has to step into
his throws. And if you bring pressure right into his face,
I mean he's done. And that's what they did. They
ran the pressure. They put Fletcher Cox in the center,
they put linebackers the eight gaps, They came right at him.
If he can't step into his throws, he's not effective.

(01:48:38):
And he wasn't effective yesterday. And how John Elway keeps
striking out on this, I don't know. It seemed like
Tony Romo was available and they didn't want any part. Now.
I like what Tony's doing in the booth right now, Doug.
But if you had asked Tony Romo back in March
you want to go quarterback the Denver Broncos, and you
had a range just the way Peyton Manning did, it

(01:48:58):
looked like there's a lot of pieces in place there
and they decided not to do it. So you know,
I mean that's John is is a smart man, but
not making good decisions at that position right now. Last
last thing, rams Hang fifty one on the Giants. We
talked about what a disaster the Giants are for just
a little bit um but it sure feels like every
piece that they've added has has worked for the Rams,

(01:49:21):
and like Luke By has come at the right time,
and they're really one Cooper Cup catch away from being
uh seven one on the season. What's your reaction to
the Rams completely turnaround. Well, I mean it's the you know,
the biggest addition to that entire organization, Sean McVeigh, I mean,
he's just look. John Gruden was a thirty two year
old head coach and John Madden was a thirty two

(01:49:44):
year old head coach, and Sean McVeigh is of the
same deal. He is that guy. He's a difference maker.
His design of offense is with the precision of a
diamond cutter, and it is beautiful to watch. And Jared
Goff is a completely different court of act and the
offense makes sense. He changed the offense after the second

(01:50:04):
week of the season when he realized that Todd Gurley
was not gonna be a shotgun spread offense running back.
You had to put him seven and a half eight
yards deep for Jared Goff under center. He changed that.
He fixed that, He got Todd Gurley, fixed play action
passes off it, he fixed his quarterback. He's taken cast
away from Buffalo and Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins, and

(01:50:28):
these guys are bona fide players and Cooper Cup who
was the missing piece to work the middle of the field.
Gerald Everett is a big time deep threat and he
could do a lot of other things. They added the
left tackle, they fixed the offense. Sean McVeigh. I mean,
if you don't want to give the Coach of the
Year to Doug Peterson right now, to get Sean McVeigh.
But those two guys right now have fixed these teams.

(01:50:50):
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(01:51:12):
who's uh get ready to keep us update on everything
else you may have missed in the world sports. But
he got for those news from Denver and even during
yesterday's broadcast when you guys are talking Broncos Eagles, the
Broncos defense maybe fighting giving up fifty one points. That
offense versus defense mess in the Mile High City. But
things apparently aren't changing. Brock Oswilder's gonna stay the starting
quarterback for Week ten against the Patriots. That is a

(01:51:34):
Sunday night affair. Brocko's head coach Vance Joseph says right
now that Oswiler has earned another opportunity to be the
team's starting quarterback. How how has he earned another or
another like? Look, look, it couldn't what is it. He
couldn't be any worse than he was. Yeah, I think
that they feel that the the ship is sailed on

(01:51:54):
Trevor Simeon. So until Paxton Lynch gets healthy, I guess
it'll be Brock Oswiler's j Yeah, that's a things. Things
used to fifty one points allowed yesterday, Absolutely amazing Broncos
in that defense. Yeah, now everything's a mess. Buccaneers, same thing.
Everything's a mess down there now. They may not have
Jamis Winston and Mike Evans for weekden against the Jets.

(01:52:16):
Evans suspended one game for shoving marshaw on Latimorre the
Saint stirring yesterday's contest, he violated the NFL's Unnecessary Roughness
in a Sportsmanlike conduct rules, while Bucketeers quarterback Jamis Winston
get AA sit a couple of weeks because of his
shoulder injury. When asked today if the team is discussed
sending free age, quarterback Colin Kaepernick, Texans said, coach Bill
O'Brien says, everyone has been discussed. Jets Water super Jeremy

(01:52:37):
Curley band four games for violating the NFL's p E
D policy, and of course the most notable suspension Ezekiel
Elliott's six game band. While the oral arguments over the
that preliminary in junction on the six games suspension will
be heard on Thursday of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
And West Virginia today extended the contract events basketball coach
Bob Huggins through two get to stay. It is a

(01:52:57):
lot of probably until his time of his retirement. I
don't really appreciate that Dan dan Buyer joining us UM. Look,
there's been a lot of discussions about the Giants and
what's wrong with them, and and and Jerry Reese their
general manager. Should not avoid, should not avoid um uh.
The criticism because though Odell Beckham Jr. Got hurt, and

(01:53:19):
though Odell Beckham Jr. Is a polarizing figure, Odell Beckham
Junior is not responsible for how many other putrid draft
choices they have made over the past couple of years
and their inability to fix the offensive line. They fix
the defense. Going back to last year and this this
past offseason, they tried to fix the offensive line. They
could not do it, did not do it. It's just
not better. It's just not good enough. What's fascinating to

(01:53:45):
me faster to me though, is how some will defend O.
B J. And say, like, look, he's got nothing to
do with their downfall. It's not his fault that he
got hurt. But you don't think that he's a divisive
wars Look at how uh I mean, look his desire

(01:54:07):
to be a megastar, his desire to push the envelope
as to celebrations and flamboyance and getting into two wrestling
matches and fights with other players and and arguing on
the sidelink, those those things, those things bring attention to
your club, and those things because the head coach should

(01:54:30):
have to decide, like do I punish my best player,
or do I stand by him and support him and
talk to him behind closed doors. But the problem is
that you are a reflection every team, every coach. We'll
tell you this, this inarguable fact. Your reflection of your
best player, your most talented player, your reflection of them,

(01:54:53):
a reflection of them. And when Odell Beckham Jr. Is
a megastar and yet he scores a touchdown and he
peas on the ball when he constantly needs attention, when
he constantly needs affection, his desire is he really gets
it out there. He wants the biggest contract in the

(01:55:13):
history of the sport instead of look, the proper way
to do it is, Hey, you know what, I just
keep playing football. Everything's gonna take care of yourself. That's
what Aaron Rodgers did. You don't think Aaron Rodgers wants
the biggest contract in the history of the sport. Of
course he does. I don't think he deserves it. Of
course he does, far more so than LBJ. But what
did he say? Hey, I just keep playing That stuff

(01:55:35):
always takes care of itself. And it's true with Odell
Beckham Jr. But instead you put it out there, you
leak it out there. That stuff doesn't get out there
unless you want it out there. By the way, becomes
more of a polarizing figure. Polarizing figure, and that's not
good when you're the wide receiver. Wide receivers are always

(01:55:56):
allowed a little bit more space and trash talking, a
little little more space and flamboyance. But there does come
place when flamboyance becomes annoyance. And that's what he got
to before he got hurt in spite of his immense
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as a week before. I mean we had great upsets

(01:57:00):
in college football Oklahoma Almo stay Bedlham game fifty two.
That was crazy, crazy game. Uh some I thought some
questionable replay calls across the board. Across the board. I
thought the Redskins game was closed. How about Julio Jones
dropping a shore fire touchdown pass when they go forward
on third down, I mean fourth down, I mean hit
him right in the numbers. The best wide receiver in

(01:57:23):
the NFL wide opened Indians in a perfectly thrown pass
and a go ahead touchdown. Or I don't know. I
think they're down ten at a time and he drops
it in his hands. Crazy. Let's get to the press.
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quickly in your college football talk, Doug Bavada has seven
names on their Heisman odds list and Baker Mayfield a
runaway winner, but they are still listing odds for six
other layers. They are Sae Kwon Barkley and Penn State.
Josh Adams of Notre Dame was knocked out with a

(01:58:05):
concussion against Wick Forest this past weekend, Bryce Love and Stanford.
He's at ten to one, Mason Rudolph's Mason Rudolph still
on the list, j T. Barrett still on the list
at thirty three to one, and Lamar Jackson, the reigning
defending Heisman Trophy winner for Louisville, also getting odds at
about forty one. It's really amazing, right, Like, there's the

(01:58:26):
reason I think Baker is gonna get it is if
they win this weekend, there are a lot to play for,
a big, big twelve championship. That means to be playing
the last, the most important weekend of the season, whereas
many of those other guys we listed before will not
will not, and we just, you know, we we kind
of nitpick at what guys do well and what guys
do poorly. Mason Rudolf has the yards, but Baker, Baker

(01:58:49):
Mayfield was the far I think the much better quarterback,
much better quarterback Richard Penny not getting any love. He's
got sixteen hundred yards rushing. You mentioned Bryce Love almost
fifteen hundred yards as well. Jonathan Taylor a guy who
could sneak up there. James Washington from Oclahoma Stake got
hurt so he didn't play at the end of that game. Yeah,
I I tend to agree. It's probably gonna be Baker

(01:59:10):
Mayfield's award this year. And think about to go from
my two time walk on walk on to Texas Tech
walked down at Oklahoma State to being a two time
finalist and a one time winner. That's pretty amazing stuff.
And even if they lose, I think he'll still have
numbers and all three of those games to keep him
up there where s Kwon Barkley was kept in check
against Ohio State and someone against Michigan State as well.
All Right, on the NFL, Buccaneers wide receiver Mike Evans,

(01:59:32):
he spended one game for his actions for pushing Saints
corner Marshawn Lattimore from behind during yesterday's game in New Orleans. Uh, yeah,
I'm not bothered by that. What I think its funny
is a j Green not suspended and Mike Evans is
suspended and maybe he was provoked, but he still went
choke hold and then started throwing haymakers. And remember to

(01:59:52):
Green ejected, Evans was not, so that could be the
reason maybe why it even out Jalen Ran she also
not just Spender because he was also ejected in that
game against the Bengals. Um. Speaking of the buck in
the airs, quarterback Jamis Winston gonna be shut down for
a few weeks, Doug because of his shoulder injury. That

(02:00:12):
look as devastating news for Dirk Cutter, absolutely devastating news
and uh um, I think this is. But the good
news is they have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was not good
in replacing him. But if there's a guy who's a
veteran who did you know he went to Harvard who
could replace somebody like I don't think Ryan Fitzpatrick is

(02:00:34):
a good starting quarterback, but I think he's the best
backup quarterback in the lake. Took a couple of hard
knocks to that shoulder to Jamis Winston over the last
couple of weeks. HBO reference. Um we douche stand in
a little while to go broadcast. Wall are gonna get
the start again for Denver and week ten against the
New England Patriots, a game doug that you could watch
on Sunday Night Football as Dolphins Raiders yesterday, followed up

(02:00:55):
by Patriots Broncos next weekend. Well, uh, Patriots actually is
not a bad guy at home is not a bad
game start. They do not have a good defense. The
one issue though, is that the Patriots, who have a
week to prepare, and they know the scanner report that
Brian Baldinger gave us, which is pressure him up the middle,
and he's kind of he can he cannot move, he

(02:01:16):
cannot step into his throws. So look, if there's a
defense from a good team that you want to face,
it is the Patriots. It is at home. But I
still don't think they have good enough offensive line nor
and the extra week of preparedness from the Patriots, I
think it's gonna be too much. Calves guard Dwayne Wade
and forward Channing Fry called out their teams starter, saying
that they have to get off the better starts in games.

(02:01:38):
Calves have lost five to the last six, including at
home yesterday to the Hawks. They're a mess. I mean
you're a Dwayne Wade said, right, Dwyane Wade called out
their starters. Yes, and uh, do we have the sound
of that, guys? Um, I couldn't find it. I couldn't
find it either, but he basically saying like, look, we
all got to get better. The starter has gotta get better. Which, look,

(02:01:58):
the good thing here's a good part about having all
of these guys who have been stars in a previous
NBA life that it comes they they have the respect
of the locker room to where if they say, hey,
we gotta get better, like you can't argue with Dwayne Wade, right,
same thing with Derrick Rose, who he's been injured. We
gotta get The problem is that assuming uh, secondary, tertiary

(02:02:20):
and even lower roles is really hard for those guys.
And remember like Dwyane Wade is a good defense player
for a star player, but not a great defensive player.
Derrick Rose has never been asked to be a great
defensive player. Now they all have to pick it up,
and they're doing without Tristan Thompson, who defends the rim.
It's very very difficult. They have a difficult task get

(02:02:40):
out there and pressed that the press. What do you
guys like tonight in the Lions game, they have their
quarterback on the road against the Green Bay Packers. I
like the Lions, Ramos, the Lions music, Lions Dan buy,
are we going? We're going three for three. I don't
want to be contrarian, but I did pick the Packers

(02:03:01):
this week. Earlier plus two and a half I think
was the number of that you guys who picked Game
seven correctly in the World Series. Dan Byre, Dan Bire.
Maybe he knows something we do not. Melvin Gordon joins us. Tomorrow,
we'll talk to Wisconsin

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