November 7, 2017 • 43 mins
Doug explains why the Packers are lost without Aaron Rodgers and why you shouldn't blame the general manager or head coach. He discusses the relationship between Andrew Luck and Colts owner Jim Irsay and whether Luck wants out of Indianapolis. Plus Chargers running back Melvin Gordon joins the show to talk about his Alma Mater, Wisconsin, and how he spent his time off during the bye week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boo, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, getting you ready for another outstanding night
in the world of sports. Although we have no football
for a couple of nights, we can't react to last
night's Monday Night football, which was hard to watch, hard
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to watch. Right, Good news, kids, we got the Lions,
we got the Packers, we got lambeau Field. Bad news, kids,
there's no Aaron Rodgers. And I understand. You watch other
teams like the Cowboys, like last year with Dak Prescott,
and you think, why can't that be us? Why can't
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the Green Bay Packers lose their starting quarterback and still
be viable. Let's they play off football team? Why? Well,
that gotta be avoiding leadership. Ted Thompson just not doing
a good enough job, Mike McCarthy, not adjusting to having
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a new quarterback, not picking the record. They should go
and get Colin Kaepernick. Who's the answer to I believe
Colin Kaepernick by the time the NFL season is over,
he will he knows the cure to cancer. You guys
wear that Colin Kaepernick has the cure to cancer. I
am a proponent of Kaepernick in UH, more so more
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so in Houston. I do like the the idea of
an athletic Kaepernick similar to Rogers, at least in some
way in Green Bay. But Breent Huntley is a good athlete.
He's just not Aaron Rodgers. And this is what happens
when you lose the player like Rogers. But it's also
what happens when your team is structured differently. Look, I've
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heard a lot of Lebron James is equal to or
better than Michael Jordan's arguments, And one of the main
us of that argument is that when Jordan's left the
Bulls the first time to retirement, the Bulls were still
the number one seed in the East. When Lebron left
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the Cleveland Cavaliers for the first time, Dave's went from
NBA Finals contender to lottery uh lottery mainstay. They went
from the penthouse to the outhouse. They literally were walking
around with their pockets, you know, and people are broke,
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you turn your pockets inside out. It looks like the
the the elephant ears. That's what happened to the calves.
But the story is not that Lebron is better than
Jordan or is the story that Aaron Rodgers is that
much better than Tom Brady? Context is really really important,
so to his construct of the team. No two teams
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are created alike, No two markets who are like, No
two systems are alike. And so the idea that he
look merwin Matt Castle took over for Tom Brady. He
won eleven games. That means that Tom Brady is a
system player. Belichick is mostly responsible and Aaron Rodgers, who
was leading the Packers to being a contender for the
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best record in the NFC one of the better teams
in the NFC, now is a playoff also ran And
the only thing that's changed is quarterback. Now. First of all,
the only thing changes the quarterback is not accurate. They
lost Brian Bulaga now to a tourn a c L.
But more than anything, it's about construct of the team.
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It just is. It's also about the perception of what
eleven wins means. When the Patriots won eleven games the
previous year they had won all sixteen, that's a five
game drop off. That is a monumental drop off from
six team to eleven. And it wasn't the only piece
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that was like and the schedule was actually remarkably easier
during the sixteen week schedule. You look at the Green
Bay Packers this year, and this is a team that
had beaten the Seahawks, beating the Bengals, beating the Bears,
beating the Cowboys before Aaron Rodgers got hurt. The Vikings
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of the Saints, and maybe even the Lions are probably
playoff teams. I do think they'll win a game, although
now you lose blog it makes it far more difficult.
The Bears are actually favored for the first time in
nine years of the Green Bay Packers, and the main
reason is because of Brett Huntley. Now I don't I
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didn't think Hunley was great, but I also didn't think
he was terrible. But the Green Bay Packers are not
built upon a running game. My time, Montgomery has been
their leading rusher. He's a convert. He's really more of
a hy receiver. That's what he's supposed to be. Their
offensive line is in tatters because of injury, and yes,
Aaron Rodgers is that good? And oh yeah, by the way,
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up until they play the Bears, they will have played
playoff contenders or playoff teams. In his three losses. It's
not just the wins and losses, it's the construct of
the team, one built around Aaron Rodgers, one who's wide receivers,
by my estimation, have been wild wildly overrated, but also
one in which there's a drop off at quarterback. And
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sometimes it's really hard to tell when a guy is
a backup. Right, you see him as a backup, You
see him a couple of times in training camp, seem
a lot in training camp. You see m a couple
of times in the preseason. But the preseason there's so
many moving parts that it's it's not there's there's not
as many complex reads, even for the backup quarterback. And
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so this is our first chance to really see if
Brent Hunley has anything. And while he's missed Jordy Nelson,
he hasn't turned the ball over a ton. They haven't
asked him to try a ton, especially since the three
interception performance. Uh coming in for Aaron Rodgers, going back
to their loss to the Minnesota Vikings, they've asked them
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to protect the ball, not lose the ball, which is
what the Cowboys did when they had Brandon Whedon. You
can tell me last year that the Cowboys with their
backup quarterback. Uh, we're one of the best teams in
the NFC, And you'd be right, But you'd also have
to remember that that team was constructed completely differently than
the Green Bay Packers. It had a great offensive line
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and had a great running back, and it had a
very young quarterback by NFL standards, and one to which
they just put him in position to not lose the game.
Huntley doesn't have nearly the same luxury. This is a
Green Bay team that's built solely around the arm and
legs of Aaron Rogers, and when he goes down, it
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becomes built around the legs of an arm of Brett Huntley,
and he's just not as good, and the drop off
is this severe. But to compare him, and this is
my same argument with Jordan versus Lebron. When Lebron left Cleveland,
sure the drop off with severe. Half the players and
the roster were also gone, and the team was constructed,
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just like the team now in Cleveland is constructed completely
around the style of Lebron. James, who can play any position,
likes to handle the basketball, is essentially a point power forward,
and if he leaves, it will be a similar collapse,
but that doesn't make it better than Jordan's. Jordan's team
was just comprised differently, built differently, some out of necessity,
some out of fortune because of who they're able to
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sign and what the what the NBA draft provided, and
some because the vision of Jerry Ransdorff. I was saying,
Krause and uh and Philip Jackson, that makes just this
idea that well, you know, and I do think Aaron
Rodgers is the best. And I, like some of you,
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took to Twitter to kill me because here we are
coming off a Super Bowl comeback for the Ages by
Brett by Tom Brady, and I was like, I think
Aaron Rodgers the best I've ever seen play quarterback. Tom
Brady's most decorated, the most accomplished quarterback of all time.
But I'd take Aaron Rodgers. But I won't even allow
last night or the three game losing street to confirm
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that bias, because I know the teams are built incredibly differently.
Just like the Patriots were able to keep their heads
above water last year, it's because that team is built
differently than the Green Bay Packers, are built solely around
the style of play and the arm and the brain
and the talents of Aaron Rodgers. Be sure to catch
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the I Heart Radio Appvan Gordon had the week off
last week, right, I mean all the Chargers had the
week off. I wonder how much he played mad in
a week He's had to defend his Wisconsin Badgers and
their pathetic schedule to date. He's Melvin Gordon of the
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l A Chargers. I'm kidding with him. He joined us
on the Doug Gottlant Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Dudes are coming at your Badgers because, through some fault
of theirs but no fault in the Big Ten schedule,
they haven't played a ranked opponent yet. How good do
we actually think this team is? Uh? Well, you know
we'll find out after this Eyowa game how good we are? Um?
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The way they just beat up on the ranked ohioves
date team. Um, you know, you know, I think there's
a really show um what's we are? But but even
Iowa like look, that Iowa game was an upset and
their quarterback played incredibly well. But it's gonna be really
hard to know how good Wisconsin is even the Big
Ten regular season schedules done, because they don't play Penn State,
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they don't play Ohio State, they don't play Michigan State,
and the only team up from the top of the
other division they do play is Michigan and they play
him at home. Like like, like, you've played enough to
know it's not necessarily just about how good you are,
what your record is, it's who you've actually played. So
I mean, what's your what's your sense? You watched the
game obviously differently than we do. What do you think
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about the team? I mean, you know we got a
week schars when it sucks whose you know, there's nothing
we can do about that. You know, there there's set
years ahead and events. Um, but like I said, you know,
regardless of how I will beat Ohio State, they beat
them and they were a ranked team, so um, you
have to look at that, and uh, we do play
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Michigan and you know, regardless of the home one way,
we still play Michigan, and we still have a Big
Ten championship where you know we will probably play you know,
Ohio State or Penn State or whoever that gets that opportunity.
So we still got we still got chances. I feel
like win out, man, we'll be we'll be in all right.
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So you're you're playing Madden today against Juice Landry, Is
that right? Yeah? You know, we me and me and
Jarvis is going at it today. Man. We uh doing
the little four K Football Challenge. Um, you know we're
playing on the C series t cl TV six. You
gotta set up in the living room and uh, you know,
the winner, the winner. Um, you know they donate our charity.
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So um, you know I'm excited about that. Um you know,
and see what Jarvis got you guys. Uh, you guys
have the week off. Now you take on the Jacksonville Jaguars,
a team that's red hot. You still have to go
to Dallas. That's a playoff team. Stuff. Go to Kansas City.
That's a playoff team who beat you in your place.
The home games appear to be far more winnable. What's
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your sense of now that you've kind of seen both sides, right,
the four game losing streak, the three game winning streak,
what's your sense of how close this team is to
getting back above five? We close, man, we close close.
And I feel I feel we could do it. You know,
we we we we we we got everything in front
of us. Man, you know we're not this thing yet. Um.
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You know, as as bad as we played, um towards
the end of games, at the first, at the beginning
of the season. UM, you know, we still left for
the opportunity. UM, And that's all you can ask for
at this at this, at this point in time, still
be in it. And uh we quotes man, We're there,
We're there. We lost. We lost for a tough face team.
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I felt that we should have won, but obviously we lost.
So it is what it is. Um. But I feel
like we we we piece it together. Man. What's it
like to have such a successful day personally? Right? You
have a hundred three two yards rushing and get your
team loses, right like you wanna? This is what you
This is what the team has been fighting for. That's
what your coach has been preaching, is that we want
to be able to run the football, especially on the road.
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You finally do so, but your team comes up short.
What's that like for you to go through bitter sweep
and you can never really enjoy you know, you know,
a good performance, you know when you move, it's like
a bitter sweet, bitter sweet, you know, And that's that's
the best way to put it. Um. You know, obviously,
you know you want to win the game, and it
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was a big game to win for us, UM and
we lost, and you know, I played a big part, um,
you know, and couldn't have been a traditional win and
I've had a decent game. But you know, it's it's
never really talked about UM with the loss, and I
don't really carest lost at the end of the day. Yeah,
It's it's weird, right that that, like, you perform well
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and you can't even tout yourself or you can have
anybody else because the only thing that truly matters is
the team. And so the fact that you average nine
point four yards to carry as well as you could
possibly play, and yet it it doesn't end up getting
discussed even during the week off. Melvin Gordon joining us
on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, did
you like when you're away you have no games this weekend?
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Did you watch Bustman's holiday? Do you sit down and
watch all the Sunday games? He was like, or did
you get away from it completely? Yeah? I just I
just uh, you know, not chilled. I watched a couple
of games, um you know um and just you know,
just netflixed up and be honest with you, what what
do you do? Arrested? Netflix? Up? Man? What you? What'd you? Netflix? What?
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What did you ben? John? What do you have to
catch up? On Stranger Things Too? I couldn't see. Here's
the thing when you have kids and kids go missing.
I really struggled early on. I couldn't get to the
third episode. So, so did you did you? Did you
like Stranger Things the second season? Yeah? I loved it.
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I'm not gonna I loved it all right, I guess
I have to. I wish it wasn't over. I'm kind
of mad. I mean, I'm sure there'll be a Stranger
Things three, right, like I haven't. I haven't, I haven't read.
I mean, especially with House the Cards no longer being
in production, Netflix is gonna need to need Stranger Things
to have another season. Thing. Yeah, I mean, it'd be
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interesting to see how they pieced together. I didn't really
think Stranger Things Too would be good because I was
like off the first one. I don't know how they're
gonna piece together to make a story. Um, but somehow
they found a way, so they make a third season. Man,
I really see it hard like finding something, you know,
finding a story to go off of. But uh, you know,
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we'll see. You know. They surprised me with the second one.
A J. Green went after Jail and Ramsey. What would
somebody have to say to get you to go that
crazy on a defensive player? Um, probably do that right there, Um,
you know, just pushing you after the play repeatedly, Um,
just in you're just talking trash and uh, you know
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I heard a j you know it's it's really a
quiet player, don't really say much. And uh you know,
you know Ramsey must have really been just jacking off
at the mouth and and uh, you know, pushing him
a lot like he's doing after the play. And he
honestly looked like he just blacked out. Um, so it
would have to be something like that. Yeah, he just
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kind of lost He just he just lost his You
have who did you to go after somebody? Uh it
wasn't like I like kind of mupped player, like it
was the Minnesota game in college my rich Or Saltimore year,
I want to say, and like they had to grab
they had to grab me because I you know, obviously
they didn't want me to get you know, suspended or
anything like that. But you kind of just black out. Man,
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it would be crazy. I didn't you know, I wasn't
punching or anything. I just mumped him, like really really
hard like and we got in each other's face like
it would have been that if the guy had been
breaking up. You know, the other thing that's interesting about
that stuff is not only do you black out, but
you also that's the most tired you ever get, right,
like you're going through a couple of right like like
fighting in the middle of something else makes you so
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incredibly tired. Yes, and do and do. I'm not gonna
lot to you. Definitely do. If I want to happen
in practice, I'd be like, uh, I don't know out.
So you're playing Madden on the roku? Are you playing
as the Chargers? I got to you. Can you pick
yourself on a different team? Said what now, you can't
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put yourself on a different team or you can't pick
some other team? Just go like, I can't play as myself.
I don't think you can do that online? You know what? Going, Yeah,
I can't put myself on another team online. Tell me
you do the powder blue uniforms? I definitely can't. Or
if they got the if they got the you know,
um what the color rush. Yeah, yeah, they got those
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on there, I might go with those. Those are so nice.
All right, Well, don't let Landry run up the score
on you and talk trash. That would be bad, would
be really bad because the money goes to your charity,
goes to your football camp, which we know you had
over two hundred campers. So hey, Melvin, thanks so much
for joining us. Best of luck this weekend. Say travels Jacksonville.
Appreciate you joining us. Yeah, man, thanks for having me.
All right. That's Melvin Gordon joining it on the Doug
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Radio app. Fascinated by this Lebron James story where he
instagrammed a fist out last night and then of course
the New York Post blew up his spot. Ramos, are
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you familiar with the term blew up his spot? I
am not? Um well, I'm I'm almost positive that Ryan
Music is familiar with you blew up his blew up
his spot? Are you? Are you familiar with blew up
his spot? There Ryan music? Like they blew his cover
like they're putting him on blast. Let's see. Then then
you win another kind of clever. Uh, that's what you win,
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another kind of clever saying yes, they blew up his spot,
they put him on put him on blast. They're they're
exposing him, I guess is how you should describe it
without giving it another rapp Did you ever watch the
show Cheaters where they like lure in guys who are
in relationships by like having women hit on them and
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then like their girlfriend or wife are watching. Yes, okay, yeah,
yeah you watch that? Yeah, yeah, I've seen it definitely.
Did you like it? I didn't like? You watch the
other do you want? Do you like watching other people's
spot be blown up? Not really, I didn't. I didn't
take too much. I didn't take to it too well.
But I find it interesting at times. Yeah, So here's
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here's what happened. Uh, there's an Instagram model, which Instagram
model is usually one of two things somebody despolity of
attention or um. Sometimes these are more in the in
the escort variety Haiti see me, Heidi ho Back? They
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make that up. That's her name. Heidi Hoback, who apparently
is an Instagram model and hunter, shared her exchanges with
Lebron James on a public platform. Quote, athletes slide into
girls d m s all the time, so this is
the craziest part. But she's biggest buck I've seen over here.
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Hold Back post the snapchat per screenshots obtained by Terris
Owens on Thursday, to which James said, teach me how
to hunt, and I'll teach you how to play ball.
Deal l O L. Though hold Back shielded her replies
with a slew of skull emoljis the responses. Response responses
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allegedly enticed James to ask where are you well boy?
Hold Back went on YouTube, which was a YouTube channel.
I was honestly having a normal day going over and hunting.
Then this wild encounter where the buck happened, and so
happened to be the night when Lebron d M me.
So I thought i'd share. I took a snapchat to
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share it with my followers because I thought it would
be a funny story. You know. The message was pretty innocent,
as far as I know, And then some of my
followers informed me that he was married, and I had
no clue because I didn't follow him. I wouldn't consider
myself a fan, so I wasn't that aware at all.
I guess that's why it's been made into a bigger
deal than I originally thought. Music. Do you think that
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he was he was hitting on her? Ramos? Do you
think he was hitting on her? How much is real
and how much is simply the world of the Internet,
the Interweb, to which guys, uh, guys kind of have
a parallel sense of reality, like it looks real, it
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feels real, but it's not real. I mean, I guess
I get that if you're if you're dealing with a prostitute,
a person of ill repute, that you can't really you're
not really going to um. You can't depend on them
to keep their word and to keep it quiet. And
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I get like, you gotta be dumb if you're Lebron
James to slide into somebody's d m s and not think, Hey,
I'm Lebron James, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw
it out there. But it it does feel boy, it
does feel like, man, I'm trying to think the word
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I'm looking for. Look, it feels like a dirty dog
move from the from the Instagram model, Like you're an
Instagram model. Guys? Are guys are throwing it out at you?
Lebron James is too, and her I didn't know who
Lebron James was married, Like, come on, man, Google for
a second. You knew exactly what you were doing, exactly
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what you were doing. And that doesn't make it okay
that Lebron is throwing and out there on d M.
But I'm wondering how you guys feel about her putting
it out there, showing the world that Lebron James direct
message her, especially considering she covered up her response by
way his response, I'm okay, not covering up, but my
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response I I'm not okay. Be sure to catch live
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I Heart Radio app. Could the owner be getting in
the way of Andrew luck Could they have already ruined
the best of of Andrew Luck? Um The title of
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Bob Kravitz, a longtime writer and radio host as well
in Indianapolis. The title is my Jimmers say, run Andrew
Luck out of Indianapolis. With his intemperate remarks, Kravitz, who
has covered the Colts forever, starts by saying, there's a
huge problem brewing between jimmers say and Andrew Luck, the
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kind of problem that may destroy a relationship between the
owner and his team's best player. And you wonder now,
Mike ursaw Or say and his big mouth run Luck
out of Indianapolis. During a cut in of the Dan
Patrick radio show, you know when you go to do
DP show, the cameras are always on and you're always
there's hot. Mike's guest, Tony Dungee, who did not know
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he was on air, told Patrick during a break that
recently said he believes what's holding Luck back from returning
to the field is more mental than physical. Patrick asked
Dungee about the lux situation. Here's the sound. Take a listen.
This is Tony Dungee and Dan Patrick Mike Dupp. Remember
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Tony Dungey doesn't know they're on air. Though. I don't
know what's going on there, I really don't. And is
he going to play? Jim Or made a comment of
six weeks ago. You know, it's it's inside his head
and out and then now you're hearing that this has
been months. Yeah he said that, Um maybe when I
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guess when I was up there for Crayton's uh ceremony,
I wonder if Andy looks future and Andy now, I
really do. I wonder mm hmm. That's uh. That's like,
no one wants to be called a liar. Right you
ever watch an old Western. You're calling me a liar, right,
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you're calling me a liar, You're calling me a faker.
And I think how this comes across as Jim ur
say saying it's all on his head, there's nothing wrong
with him. There's two parts to it. There is the
mental aspect of any comeback, especially when you're um, when like,
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the greatest attribute you have what makes or breaks your
career is your shoulder, is your arm. And if you've
had a near nfl uh death experience in your inability
to rehab that shoulder properly and get that thing worked on,
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you're gonna be super sensitive to it. So part of
me says, hey, that's that's his instrument, right, that's his
his that's his trumpet playing lips that's his guitar playing fingers.
His shoulder is that's a hundred and fifty plus million
dollars shoulder. Of course he's gonna be sensitive to it.
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And there is a reality of anybody who's ever come
back from a catastrophic injury. I'll tell you, like, yeah,
even when you're back. I mean just think of when
you pull your hamstring. Everybody has this. You pull your
hamstring and pull mind about a month ago and you
feel fine. You're like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
But what you don't want to do is you're like,
not ready to go full speed because it felt fine
before you pulled it, and in the in your mind
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you feel the pulled muscle even when there is no
pulled muscle. Same thing with the shoulder. So the question
that the the honest question is when Ursa said it,
how was it met by Andrew Luck? Was it that
you calling me aller or was it Luck saying you know, listen,
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I understand it might be in my head, and maybe
it is, but athletes know their body better than anybody else.
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We do have great college football this weekend, and Chris
Sims does an amazing job of covering it, uh, covering
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Notre Dame games for NBC, and of course he has
a part of his own radio show on Pro Football
Talk on NBC Sports Radio, and then you can read
his work complete report. Here's the guy that's got a
lot of different jobs, Chris. Let's let's start with the Irish.
All Right, how good I know they has? I know,
I know Jamal Adams has hurt or has the concussion.
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But how good do you think this team is talent wise?
I think they're pretty legit. I think they're actually being
underrated in the in the grand scheme of things, I
really do. And let me let me get this straight.
I mean, my whole life, I think Notre Dame has
been overrated. I mean when I was at Texas, I
mean they were stealing BCS games from me. And but
I think this is truly a year where they've been
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underrated to a degree. And the first thing is, as
you know or anybody's been watching college football, the all
the offensive line is special. Uh, there's no doubt about that.
The two guys on the left side, McGlinchey and Nelson,
they are first round talent. Uh, they are the best
left side in college football for my money. And the
rest of the old line is really good too, so
it's full of pros. Then you add to the running backs,
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and then you add to Brandon Winbush, who is the
absolute perfect college quarterback, and Doug Unlike years past two
these you want to say, Okay, well, we'll load the box,
will stop the run. No, they got receivers this year
in Notre Dame too, so you've gotta be a little
careful about leaving players one on one down the field
because win Bush can throw it deep and these guys
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can go get it. Why were they so affected by
the athleticism of Georgia when they lost him at home?
You know, I don't think they were Actually, you know,
I really don't think they were affected by the athleticism.
I think first of all, if you went back and
watched the game again, you go, oh wow, it was
a really close game. It was a controversial one handed
catch in the back of the end zone that was
initially called incomplete, and then they reviewed it and called
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it complete and gave Georgia a touchdown, and I still
I still think it was incomplete, So I look at
it that way. Really, what they ran into there is
they were okay with the athleticism. Georgia is just a
bunch of big suckers, Doug. They were one of the
few teams, and I think one of the few teams
in college football that can stand in there and slug
it out with that Notre Dame offensive line and at
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least slow down the dominant run game. But I think
Notre Dame has improved lot. I know Georgia has to,
But yes, I mean Alabama Georgia. Those are two teams.
Clemson their front four, they could, you know, at least
slow down this Notre Dame run attack. Chris Sims joining
us on the Doug Outlive Show, all right, what about Miami,
they got the turnover chain, Uh, they've survived, you know,
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they survived. Georgia Tech couple of weeks ago looked really
good this past weekend. Quite obviously, how legit, How legit
in terms of percentage of back is the U? Because
when I say back to the U that those old
U teams just had more NFL talent than other people,
is that what we're seeing from from this Mark Rick
led team. No, not yet, not yet. I mean, like
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you said, those old you know, the U teams, those
were special. I mean that was legitimately when we might
have been able to have a conversation like could this
college team beat some pro teams in the in the NFL. Uh,
they were stacked like you said, I mean Sean Taylor,
Ed Reid, you know, uh Moss and and Andre john Sin.
I mean it was ridiculous. Clinton portis mcgahey. But I
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do think this it's on the right track in Miami.
They have the size and physicality that you would like
out of a top tier football team, and I do
think they're front four. When you look at them, they
looked the part. So I'm excited for that battle. I
think the piece of the pieces that Miami are missing.
They don't have those explosive special skill guys quite yet.
I think they're coming because I think Mark Rick can
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really recruit and he'll get them there. But I don't
think they're back to what they once were in their
glory days. I like Notre Dame, I gotta see it
to believe it. Like I said, I mean you Notre
Dame has come out every week and just imposed their offensive,
physical dominance on everybody except for Georgia. And really I
think they're, like I said a little earlier, they are
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a better football team. Now. Uh, this defense the Notre
Dame has with Mike elco is a defensive coordinator, it's special.
They don't let up a lot of big plays. I
like Notre Dame in like a tough, thought physical football game.
I'm gonna say, like twenty seven four twenty three, that
type of rage. What happened to Ohio State? Ohio State?
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You know, I mean, hey to me and the big
scheme of things. They can't do it every year. I mean,
how many players did they lose to the NFL last year?
So I did a little surprising to me that their
defense has been steamrolled here as of late, especially the
first three quarters against Penn State last week. It was horrible.
But again, I mean, Urban Meyers all legend. You can't
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just replace some of the bodies that they've lost over
the last few years. I don't care who you are.
Oklahoma State and Oklahoma combined for over a hundred and
ten point two was the final score. How much of
that was great offense? How much of it was poorest defense.
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I mean, they don't play defense in the Big Twelve.
I mean the Big twelve for my money, and let's
let's I'll preface it with I like the Big Twelve.
I played in the Big twelve, so I have Big
Twelve pride. But the Big twelve stinks playing and simple,
I don't know any other way to put it. It's
a flag football league. It's a seven on seven football league.
I don't think they can sit there and physically mix
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it up with the Alabama's, the Georgias, the Clemsons, the
Notre Dames of the world. I really don't. Uh. They
never play defense in that conference. Now, I'll say this,
there's some good quarterback play. I mean, Baker Mayfield's a baller,
there's no doubt about it. And it's not just a
college ball er either, Doug. He's he's like legit NFL talent.
To me, I don't know if you've seen me on
the NBC broadcast. I hope you're tuning in to watch
(33:30):
me because you liked me. I do, but regardless, I
do and I and I talked to a NFL GM
last night that asked me. He's like, hey, you know
people in Oklahoma find out about you know what type
of kiddy is. Everybody says he's he does not have
the Man's l type issues, but he does have the
Manzel type swag. He's got a big arm. He's little
like man He's little like Manzel, but probably a bigger arm. Uh.
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And and but is a tremendous leader. No, I'm with you.
My my problem with that, that narrative of them not
playing defense and how do they go up in shad
Ohio stay down at the shoe? How they go and
win that game? Yeah? Well, I mean we're we're seeing
Ohio States not the greatest football team around. And that
was early in the year. I mean, you know, again,
it's college football where there's no preseason games. These are
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young kids, and uh, it can lead to a lot
of different things. Am I gonna sit here and lie
to you and say I watched that film and know
exactly what happened, though I don't, but I watched it
on TV. Uh. And again I think we're seeing that
Ohio States maybe not as special as we thought really. Uh.
And maybe the Big Ten in general is not quite
as special as everybody thought it was. But as a
whole I mean Mayfields an equalizer. I'll say that at
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least and the guy I think could look at him
more than anything. And I've said this on some of
the telecasts. When I look at Baker Mayfield, I think
Russell Wilson. I mean that's the type of player he
used to me. And like you said, he has a
big time arm. It's an NFL like legit. He can
throw the ball and push the ball down the field
with big throws. Chris Sim's joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Rade, you Sam Donald
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turned the ball over a ton. Uh. You know about
the decisions to stay or go pro. Uh, It's not
like he's a kid that has to go. He didn't
have to have two years more to play if he
desires to do. So. What are your thoughts on his
development and how quickly he should make that jump? Yeah,
I I don't think he's there. Well, I'll say this,
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and I've said this publicly before. I mean, we all
have to pump the brakes. And I said this even
before the season started with Sam Donald being the slam
dunk number one pick. You know, sometimes just uh, people
that are not qualified or making qualifying statements, especially in
the NFL, and it drives me crazy. I'll take a shot.
I mean, it's ESPN Sports Center, broadcasters. That's the one
(35:41):
they tell me every you know, they told me Matt
Barkley was the first pick of the draft, and they
told me Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback they ever saw.
So I think when I really just look at Sam Donald,
he's a really good football player. The one thing that
concerns me is his throwing, plain and simple. I have
not seen a whole lot of quarter acts in my years,
and you know, I grew up in the NFL household
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where I'm pretty obsessed with the game and obsessive quarterback play.
I haven't seen too many guys that have been successful
with that type of motion, that long wind up. It's
kind of Blake Bortles ish, it's kind of Tim tebowish.
It's better than that, don't get me wrong, but it
does concern me, and it is one of the reasons
we've seen more turnovers from them this year because there
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is errand passes down the field. Yeah, he's made a
few mistakes just reading coverage and things like that, but physically,
just some of the quality of throws that are are
what scares me, and I look forward if he does
come out to really study in them and see what
he's got. No, it's gonna be fascinating to see exactly
what he had. Last thing. We we talked a little Georgia.
You saw them early in the year in their win
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against Notre Dame, their ranked number one, they go down
to Auburn. Auburn has stentimate quarterback. They're kind of the
It feels like a year to which Auburn does something
crazy like beats Georgia and beach Alabama. Like it just
feels like one of those weird years. Uh, this is
an incredible is it the longest running rivalry, the biggest
rivalry in the South where people think Alabama and Auburn,
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but in terms of state border wars, Georgia and Auburn
as big as they get. Likelihood Auburn pulls off an
upset in the planes this weekend, Yeah, I don't, I
really do. I look at it at ball game because
the one thing, like we talked about with Georgia, they
can physically hang in there with you with anybody. It
doesn't that that's not the problem. Auburn is gonna be
able to physically hang in there with Georgia as well,
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so they're not gonna get overpowered. And the one thing
that jumps out to me when I watched Auburn and
you said his name Stidham. Stidham, am I saying right?
Is it still hum? He's the best quarterback in the SEC,
especially just from throwing the football and when there's people
open downfield, he strikes. He can really throw it. So
from there, that's where there it's dangerous because Georgia, I
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don't think they've really seen a quarterback like that that
can stretch the field, make throws into a hole against
cover to safety and corner. Uh. That's where I think
the game can get into thing. And of course they
got to play a few playmakers that he can give
the ball to in the backfield as well. All right, Chris, listen,
I know you have all those jobs because you gotta
pay for those horses. So I have daughter's horseback layer
(38:13):
riding lessons. They're they're definitely taking some dollars out of
my bank account. Man. Hey, I asked my wife. I
asked my wife if she could find a sport to
which I know nothing about and is remarkably expensive. And
she absolutely she completed the task. She's like, found the
most expensive sport that you know nothing about. Thank you
very much, appreciated, Thank you very much. Here goes your
(38:34):
check and your money right out the window. All right,
dear well, listen, have a great weekend, enjoy covering this thing.
We'll talk soon, alright, buddy, be good, good, all right.
That's Chris Simps from Bleach Report. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Okay, non sequitur is a
statement that doesn't follow logically from from one to another,
(39:00):
like you're you're combining things that aren't really combinable, or
you're comparing things non comparable things. Let me let me
give you an example. Reason why. Um, the names of
the three buyer, the names of the three u c
l A players Jello Ball was caught shoplifting. Who are
the other two? Cody Riley and j Hill? Cody Riley
and Jalen Hill. So read four gave who writes for
(39:23):
CBS sports dot Com. A read four gave tweets out
as we think about today's bad news in college hoops,
in permissible benefits at Georgia Tech, shoplifting at U c
l A. Remember this, perhaps these things never would have
occurred if we allowed amateur athletes a bigger share of
the big money collegiate pie. Because Jello Ball, who has
(39:44):
a ferrari, a ferrari, he has a ferrari. The idea
what Reed four gave us saying, it's like, listen, I
know they stole in a foreign country and embarrass their families, themselves,
the U universities that paid to have them go there.
Frankly our country. It's embarrassing. I know all that. But
(40:07):
let's not blame the players who actually did this. Let's
blame the n c A because we think there's somehow
holding back some billions and billions and billions of dollars
of money. All right, read listen, that's just stupid, just stupid.
It's what's called a non sequitur. It's a non secretary.
(40:29):
First of all, the idea that le Angelo Ball doesn't
have money in his pocket when he has a ferrari
at home is stupid, uneducated, and what you're trying to
get his confirmation bias from the masses. You're trying to
get people to go like, oh yeah, oh yeah, billions
and billions. Second of all, you're not being realistic about it.
The billions of dollars in TV money are definitely not
(40:51):
for Georgia Tech basketball. There's no wanton desire for Georgia
Tech basketball. They're just isn't. If not for two Georgia
Tech players being suspended, you wouldn't be able to name
two Georgia Tech players playing basketball. And I grew up
loving point guard you and Bobby Kremmin's and he offered
me in scholars from my house, they had Mark Price.
(41:12):
I love the enon plainsman Mark Price and Travis Best
and Kenny Anderson and Stefan Marburry, like they had Waller
point guards there. But let's like the billions and billions
everybody used the term billions of dollars, like there's seventy
some odd teams. It's contracts that are paid out over
(41:33):
twenty years. Most of them are for football, and therefore
they're not for the nine percent of players are for
the teams, the brands, and the oh point one percent
of players that people actually care about the idea that
it's a player should and I'm not sure if you're
(41:53):
aware of this. When you go play in China, you
get money. It's not spending money, it's per d M,
but you don't actually need it. They probably had a
couple hundred bucks in their pocket for the trip in
addition to whatever they had from home, and so forgiving,
forgiving illicit behavior because the n c A only allows
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the cost of attendance. The n c only pays these
guys five six thousand dollars above the full scholarship, room, board, tuition, books, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,
and somehow using it to you know what, I think
if they would have paid him, well, they wouldn't because
you're not taking human nature into effect. The idea that like,
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first of all, players who like le Angelo ball is
going to get cost of attendance right, five thousand dollars
or six thousand dollars wherever you get at u c
l A. However many months, however many years he stays
at Uhila. He is not at the level of his
younger brother or his older brother in terms of how
they're viewed. But the idea that he needs more money
(43:04):
because a college makes money off of him when he
hasn't even played a game yet. Is the dumbest crap
I've ever heard. Stop this. I'd like to think that
people who write and do commentary about sports are smarter,
but you're writing and speaking and tweeting and allowing me
(43:26):
to think otherwise. Oh yeah, oh yes, we should feel
bad about u c l A profiting off Alonzo Balls
image in his six months on campus so that his
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dad can profit off Alonzo Balls image for the rest
of his natural life.
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boo, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, getting you ready for another outstanding night
in the world of sports. Although we have no football
for a couple of nights, we can't react to last
night's Monday Night football, which was hard to watch, hard
(00:26):
to watch. Right, Good news, kids, we got the Lions,
we got the Packers, we got lambeau Field. Bad news, kids,
there's no Aaron Rodgers. And I understand. You watch other
teams like the Cowboys, like last year with Dak Prescott,
and you think, why can't that be us? Why can't
(00:48):
the Green Bay Packers lose their starting quarterback and still
be viable. Let's they play off football team? Why? Well,
that gotta be avoiding leadership. Ted Thompson just not doing
a good enough job, Mike McCarthy, not adjusting to having
(01:08):
a new quarterback, not picking the record. They should go
and get Colin Kaepernick. Who's the answer to I believe
Colin Kaepernick by the time the NFL season is over,
he will he knows the cure to cancer. You guys
wear that Colin Kaepernick has the cure to cancer. I
am a proponent of Kaepernick in UH, more so more
(01:31):
so in Houston. I do like the the idea of
an athletic Kaepernick similar to Rogers, at least in some
way in Green Bay. But Breent Huntley is a good athlete.
He's just not Aaron Rodgers. And this is what happens
when you lose the player like Rogers. But it's also
what happens when your team is structured differently. Look, I've
(01:51):
heard a lot of Lebron James is equal to or
better than Michael Jordan's arguments, And one of the main
us of that argument is that when Jordan's left the
Bulls the first time to retirement, the Bulls were still
the number one seed in the East. When Lebron left
(02:16):
the Cleveland Cavaliers for the first time, Dave's went from
NBA Finals contender to lottery uh lottery mainstay. They went
from the penthouse to the outhouse. They literally were walking
around with their pockets, you know, and people are broke,
(02:37):
you turn your pockets inside out. It looks like the
the the elephant ears. That's what happened to the calves.
But the story is not that Lebron is better than
Jordan or is the story that Aaron Rodgers is that
much better than Tom Brady? Context is really really important,
so to his construct of the team. No two teams
(02:58):
are created alike, No two markets who are like, No
two systems are alike. And so the idea that he
look merwin Matt Castle took over for Tom Brady. He
won eleven games. That means that Tom Brady is a
system player. Belichick is mostly responsible and Aaron Rodgers, who
was leading the Packers to being a contender for the
(03:20):
best record in the NFC one of the better teams
in the NFC, now is a playoff also ran And
the only thing that's changed is quarterback. Now. First of all,
the only thing changes the quarterback is not accurate. They
lost Brian Bulaga now to a tourn a c L.
But more than anything, it's about construct of the team.
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It just is. It's also about the perception of what
eleven wins means. When the Patriots won eleven games the
previous year they had won all sixteen, that's a five
game drop off. That is a monumental drop off from
six team to eleven. And it wasn't the only piece
(04:04):
that was like and the schedule was actually remarkably easier
during the sixteen week schedule. You look at the Green
Bay Packers this year, and this is a team that
had beaten the Seahawks, beating the Bengals, beating the Bears,
beating the Cowboys before Aaron Rodgers got hurt. The Vikings
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of the Saints, and maybe even the Lions are probably
playoff teams. I do think they'll win a game, although
now you lose blog it makes it far more difficult.
The Bears are actually favored for the first time in
nine years of the Green Bay Packers, and the main
reason is because of Brett Huntley. Now I don't I
(04:47):
didn't think Hunley was great, but I also didn't think
he was terrible. But the Green Bay Packers are not
built upon a running game. My time, Montgomery has been
their leading rusher. He's a convert. He's really more of
a hy receiver. That's what he's supposed to be. Their
offensive line is in tatters because of injury, and yes,
Aaron Rodgers is that good? And oh yeah, by the way,
(05:08):
up until they play the Bears, they will have played
playoff contenders or playoff teams. In his three losses. It's
not just the wins and losses, it's the construct of
the team, one built around Aaron Rodgers, one who's wide receivers,
by my estimation, have been wild wildly overrated, but also
one in which there's a drop off at quarterback. And
(05:32):
sometimes it's really hard to tell when a guy is
a backup. Right, you see him as a backup, You
see him a couple of times in training camp, seem
a lot in training camp. You see m a couple
of times in the preseason. But the preseason there's so
many moving parts that it's it's not there's there's not
as many complex reads, even for the backup quarterback. And
(05:55):
so this is our first chance to really see if
Brent Hunley has anything. And while he's missed Jordy Nelson,
he hasn't turned the ball over a ton. They haven't
asked him to try a ton, especially since the three
interception performance. Uh coming in for Aaron Rodgers, going back
to their loss to the Minnesota Vikings, they've asked them
(06:18):
to protect the ball, not lose the ball, which is
what the Cowboys did when they had Brandon Whedon. You
can tell me last year that the Cowboys with their
backup quarterback. Uh, we're one of the best teams in
the NFC, And you'd be right, But you'd also have
to remember that that team was constructed completely differently than
the Green Bay Packers. It had a great offensive line
(06:39):
and had a great running back, and it had a
very young quarterback by NFL standards, and one to which
they just put him in position to not lose the game.
Huntley doesn't have nearly the same luxury. This is a
Green Bay team that's built solely around the arm and
legs of Aaron Rogers, and when he goes down, it
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becomes built around the legs of an arm of Brett Huntley,
and he's just not as good, and the drop off
is this severe. But to compare him, and this is
my same argument with Jordan versus Lebron. When Lebron left Cleveland,
sure the drop off with severe. Half the players and
the roster were also gone, and the team was constructed,
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just like the team now in Cleveland is constructed completely
around the style of Lebron. James, who can play any position,
likes to handle the basketball, is essentially a point power forward,
and if he leaves, it will be a similar collapse,
but that doesn't make it better than Jordan's. Jordan's team
was just comprised differently, built differently, some out of necessity,
some out of fortune because of who they're able to
(07:46):
sign and what the what the NBA draft provided, and
some because the vision of Jerry Ransdorff. I was saying,
Krause and uh and Philip Jackson, that makes just this
idea that well, you know, and I do think Aaron
Rodgers is the best. And I, like some of you,
(08:07):
took to Twitter to kill me because here we are
coming off a Super Bowl comeback for the Ages by
Brett by Tom Brady, and I was like, I think
Aaron Rodgers the best I've ever seen play quarterback. Tom
Brady's most decorated, the most accomplished quarterback of all time.
But I'd take Aaron Rodgers. But I won't even allow
last night or the three game losing street to confirm
(08:30):
that bias, because I know the teams are built incredibly differently.
Just like the Patriots were able to keep their heads
above water last year, it's because that team is built
differently than the Green Bay Packers, are built solely around
the style of play and the arm and the brain
and the talents of Aaron Rodgers. Be sure to catch
(08:52):
live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio Appvan Gordon had the week off
last week, right, I mean all the Chargers had the
week off. I wonder how much he played mad in
a week He's had to defend his Wisconsin Badgers and
their pathetic schedule to date. He's Melvin Gordon of the
(09:12):
l A Chargers. I'm kidding with him. He joined us
on the Doug Gottlant Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Dudes are coming at your Badgers because, through some fault
of theirs but no fault in the Big Ten schedule,
they haven't played a ranked opponent yet. How good do
we actually think this team is? Uh? Well, you know
we'll find out after this Eyowa game how good we are? Um?
(09:37):
The way they just beat up on the ranked ohioves
date team. Um, you know, you know, I think there's
a really show um what's we are? But but even
Iowa like look, that Iowa game was an upset and
their quarterback played incredibly well. But it's gonna be really
hard to know how good Wisconsin is even the Big
Ten regular season schedules done, because they don't play Penn State,
(10:00):
they don't play Ohio State, they don't play Michigan State,
and the only team up from the top of the
other division they do play is Michigan and they play
him at home. Like like, like, you've played enough to
know it's not necessarily just about how good you are,
what your record is, it's who you've actually played. So
I mean, what's your what's your sense? You watched the
game obviously differently than we do. What do you think
(10:21):
about the team? I mean, you know we got a
week schars when it sucks whose you know, there's nothing
we can do about that. You know, there there's set
years ahead and events. Um, but like I said, you know,
regardless of how I will beat Ohio State, they beat
them and they were a ranked team, so um, you
have to look at that, and uh, we do play
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Michigan and you know, regardless of the home one way,
we still play Michigan, and we still have a Big
Ten championship where you know we will probably play you know,
Ohio State or Penn State or whoever that gets that opportunity.
So we still got we still got chances. I feel
like win out, man, we'll be we'll be in all right.
(11:05):
So you're you're playing Madden today against Juice Landry, Is
that right? Yeah? You know, we me and me and
Jarvis is going at it today. Man. We uh doing
the little four K Football Challenge. Um, you know we're
playing on the C series t cl TV six. You
gotta set up in the living room and uh, you know,
the winner, the winner. Um, you know they donate our charity.
(11:27):
So um, you know I'm excited about that. Um you know,
and see what Jarvis got you guys. Uh, you guys
have the week off. Now you take on the Jacksonville Jaguars,
a team that's red hot. You still have to go
to Dallas. That's a playoff team. Stuff. Go to Kansas City.
That's a playoff team who beat you in your place.
The home games appear to be far more winnable. What's
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your sense of now that you've kind of seen both sides, right,
the four game losing streak, the three game winning streak,
what's your sense of how close this team is to
getting back above five? We close, man, we close close.
And I feel I feel we could do it. You know,
we we we we we we got everything in front
of us. Man, you know we're not this thing yet. Um.
(12:10):
You know, as as bad as we played, um towards
the end of games, at the first, at the beginning
of the season. UM, you know, we still left for
the opportunity. UM, And that's all you can ask for
at this at this, at this point in time, still
be in it. And uh we quotes man, We're there,
We're there. We lost. We lost for a tough face team.
(12:30):
I felt that we should have won, but obviously we lost.
So it is what it is. Um. But I feel
like we we we piece it together. Man. What's it
like to have such a successful day personally? Right? You
have a hundred three two yards rushing and get your
team loses, right like you wanna? This is what you
This is what the team has been fighting for. That's
what your coach has been preaching, is that we want
to be able to run the football, especially on the road.
(12:53):
You finally do so, but your team comes up short.
What's that like for you to go through bitter sweep
and you can never really enjoy you know, you know,
a good performance, you know when you move, it's like
a bitter sweet, bitter sweet, you know, And that's that's
the best way to put it. Um. You know, obviously,
you know you want to win the game, and it
(13:15):
was a big game to win for us, UM and
we lost, and you know, I played a big part, um,
you know, and couldn't have been a traditional win and
I've had a decent game. But you know, it's it's
never really talked about UM with the loss, and I
don't really carest lost at the end of the day. Yeah,
It's it's weird, right that that, like, you perform well
(13:36):
and you can't even tout yourself or you can have
anybody else because the only thing that truly matters is
the team. And so the fact that you average nine
point four yards to carry as well as you could
possibly play, and yet it it doesn't end up getting
discussed even during the week off. Melvin Gordon joining us
on The Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, did
you like when you're away you have no games this weekend?
(13:57):
Did you watch Bustman's holiday? Do you sit down and
watch all the Sunday games? He was like, or did
you get away from it completely? Yeah? I just I
just uh, you know, not chilled. I watched a couple
of games, um you know um and just you know,
just netflixed up and be honest with you, what what
do you do? Arrested? Netflix? Up? Man? What you? What'd you? Netflix? What?
(14:20):
What did you ben? John? What do you have to
catch up? On Stranger Things Too? I couldn't see. Here's
the thing when you have kids and kids go missing.
I really struggled early on. I couldn't get to the
third episode. So, so did you did you? Did you
like Stranger Things the second season? Yeah? I loved it.
(14:41):
I'm not gonna I loved it all right, I guess
I have to. I wish it wasn't over. I'm kind
of mad. I mean, I'm sure there'll be a Stranger
Things three, right, like I haven't. I haven't, I haven't read.
I mean, especially with House the Cards no longer being
in production, Netflix is gonna need to need Stranger Things
to have another season. Thing. Yeah, I mean, it'd be
(15:02):
interesting to see how they pieced together. I didn't really
think Stranger Things Too would be good because I was
like off the first one. I don't know how they're
gonna piece together to make a story. Um, but somehow
they found a way, so they make a third season. Man,
I really see it hard like finding something, you know,
finding a story to go off of. But uh, you know,
(15:23):
we'll see. You know. They surprised me with the second one.
A J. Green went after Jail and Ramsey. What would
somebody have to say to get you to go that
crazy on a defensive player? Um, probably do that right there, Um,
you know, just pushing you after the play repeatedly, Um,
just in you're just talking trash and uh, you know
(15:44):
I heard a j you know it's it's really a
quiet player, don't really say much. And uh you know,
you know Ramsey must have really been just jacking off
at the mouth and and uh, you know, pushing him
a lot like he's doing after the play. And he
honestly looked like he just blacked out. Um, so it
would have to be something like that. Yeah, he just
(16:06):
kind of lost He just he just lost his You
have who did you to go after somebody? Uh it
wasn't like I like kind of mupped player, like it
was the Minnesota game in college my rich Or Saltimore year,
I want to say, and like they had to grab
they had to grab me because I you know, obviously
they didn't want me to get you know, suspended or
anything like that. But you kind of just black out. Man,
(16:28):
it would be crazy. I didn't you know, I wasn't
punching or anything. I just mumped him, like really really
hard like and we got in each other's face like
it would have been that if the guy had been
breaking up. You know, the other thing that's interesting about
that stuff is not only do you black out, but
you also that's the most tired you ever get, right,
like you're going through a couple of right like like
fighting in the middle of something else makes you so
(16:51):
incredibly tired. Yes, and do and do. I'm not gonna
lot to you. Definitely do. If I want to happen
in practice, I'd be like, uh, I don't know out.
So you're playing Madden on the roku? Are you playing
as the Chargers? I got to you. Can you pick
yourself on a different team? Said what now, you can't
(17:14):
put yourself on a different team or you can't pick
some other team? Just go like, I can't play as myself.
I don't think you can do that online? You know what? Going, Yeah,
I can't put myself on another team online. Tell me
you do the powder blue uniforms? I definitely can't. Or
if they got the if they got the you know,
um what the color rush. Yeah, yeah, they got those
(17:38):
on there, I might go with those. Those are so nice.
All right, Well, don't let Landry run up the score
on you and talk trash. That would be bad, would
be really bad because the money goes to your charity,
goes to your football camp, which we know you had
over two hundred campers. So hey, Melvin, thanks so much
for joining us. Best of luck this weekend. Say travels Jacksonville.
Appreciate you joining us. Yeah, man, thanks for having me.
All right. That's Melvin Gordon joining it on the Doug
(18:00):
Gollage shows. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Radio app. Fascinated by this Lebron James story where he
instagrammed a fist out last night and then of course
the New York Post blew up his spot. Ramos, are
(18:23):
you familiar with the term blew up his spot? I
am not? Um well, I'm I'm almost positive that Ryan
Music is familiar with you blew up his blew up
his spot? Are you? Are you familiar with blew up
his spot? There Ryan music? Like they blew his cover
like they're putting him on blast. Let's see. Then then
you win another kind of clever. Uh, that's what you win,
(18:46):
another kind of clever saying yes, they blew up his spot,
they put him on put him on blast. They're they're
exposing him, I guess is how you should describe it
without giving it another rapp Did you ever watch the
show Cheaters where they like lure in guys who are
in relationships by like having women hit on them and
(19:07):
then like their girlfriend or wife are watching. Yes, okay, yeah,
yeah you watch that? Yeah, yeah, I've seen it definitely.
Did you like it? I didn't like? You watch the
other do you want? Do you like watching other people's
spot be blown up? Not really, I didn't. I didn't
take too much. I didn't take to it too well.
But I find it interesting at times. Yeah, So here's
(19:30):
here's what happened. Uh, there's an Instagram model, which Instagram
model is usually one of two things somebody despolity of
attention or um. Sometimes these are more in the in
the escort variety Haiti see me, Heidi ho Back? They
(19:52):
make that up. That's her name. Heidi Hoback, who apparently
is an Instagram model and hunter, shared her exchanges with
Lebron James on a public platform. Quote, athletes slide into
girls d m s all the time, so this is
the craziest part. But she's biggest buck I've seen over here.
(20:15):
Hold Back post the snapchat per screenshots obtained by Terris
Owens on Thursday, to which James said, teach me how
to hunt, and I'll teach you how to play ball.
Deal l O L. Though hold Back shielded her replies
with a slew of skull emoljis the responses. Response responses
(20:38):
allegedly enticed James to ask where are you well boy?
Hold Back went on YouTube, which was a YouTube channel.
I was honestly having a normal day going over and hunting.
Then this wild encounter where the buck happened, and so
happened to be the night when Lebron d M me.
So I thought i'd share. I took a snapchat to
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share it with my followers because I thought it would
be a funny story. You know. The message was pretty innocent,
as far as I know, And then some of my
followers informed me that he was married, and I had
no clue because I didn't follow him. I wouldn't consider
myself a fan, so I wasn't that aware at all.
I guess that's why it's been made into a bigger
deal than I originally thought. Music. Do you think that
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he was he was hitting on her? Ramos? Do you
think he was hitting on her? How much is real
and how much is simply the world of the Internet,
the Interweb, to which guys, uh, guys kind of have
a parallel sense of reality, like it looks real, it
(21:46):
feels real, but it's not real. I mean, I guess
I get that if you're if you're dealing with a prostitute,
a person of ill repute, that you can't really you're
not really going to um. You can't depend on them
to keep their word and to keep it quiet. And
(22:08):
I get like, you gotta be dumb if you're Lebron
James to slide into somebody's d m s and not think, Hey,
I'm Lebron James, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw
it out there. But it it does feel boy, it
does feel like, man, I'm trying to think the word
(22:29):
I'm looking for. Look, it feels like a dirty dog
move from the from the Instagram model, Like you're an
Instagram model. Guys? Are guys are throwing it out at you?
Lebron James is too, and her I didn't know who
Lebron James was married, Like, come on, man, Google for
a second. You knew exactly what you were doing, exactly
(22:54):
what you were doing. And that doesn't make it okay
that Lebron is throwing and out there on d M.
But I'm wondering how you guys feel about her putting
it out there, showing the world that Lebron James direct
message her, especially considering she covered up her response by
way his response, I'm okay, not covering up, but my
(23:17):
response I I'm not okay. Be sure to catch live
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I Heart Radio app. Could the owner be getting in
the way of Andrew luck Could they have already ruined
the best of of Andrew Luck? Um The title of
(23:37):
Bob Kravitz, a longtime writer and radio host as well
in Indianapolis. The title is my Jimmers say, run Andrew
Luck out of Indianapolis. With his intemperate remarks, Kravitz, who
has covered the Colts forever, starts by saying, there's a
huge problem brewing between jimmers say and Andrew Luck, the
(24:00):
kind of problem that may destroy a relationship between the
owner and his team's best player. And you wonder now,
Mike ursaw Or say and his big mouth run Luck
out of Indianapolis. During a cut in of the Dan
Patrick radio show, you know when you go to do
DP show, the cameras are always on and you're always
there's hot. Mike's guest, Tony Dungee, who did not know
(24:24):
he was on air, told Patrick during a break that
recently said he believes what's holding Luck back from returning
to the field is more mental than physical. Patrick asked
Dungee about the lux situation. Here's the sound. Take a listen.
This is Tony Dungee and Dan Patrick Mike Dupp. Remember
(24:45):
Tony Dungey doesn't know they're on air. Though. I don't
know what's going on there, I really don't. And is
he going to play? Jim Or made a comment of
six weeks ago. You know, it's it's inside his head
and out and then now you're hearing that this has
been months. Yeah he said that, Um maybe when I
(25:09):
guess when I was up there for Crayton's uh ceremony,
I wonder if Andy looks future and Andy now, I
really do. I wonder mm hmm. That's uh. That's like,
no one wants to be called a liar. Right you
ever watch an old Western. You're calling me a liar, right,
(25:32):
you're calling me a liar, You're calling me a faker.
And I think how this comes across as Jim ur
say saying it's all on his head, there's nothing wrong
with him. There's two parts to it. There is the
mental aspect of any comeback, especially when you're um, when like,
(25:59):
the greatest attribute you have what makes or breaks your
career is your shoulder, is your arm. And if you've
had a near nfl uh death experience in your inability
to rehab that shoulder properly and get that thing worked on,
(26:20):
you're gonna be super sensitive to it. So part of
me says, hey, that's that's his instrument, right, that's his
his that's his trumpet playing lips that's his guitar playing fingers.
His shoulder is that's a hundred and fifty plus million
dollars shoulder. Of course he's gonna be sensitive to it.
(26:40):
And there is a reality of anybody who's ever come
back from a catastrophic injury. I'll tell you, like, yeah,
even when you're back. I mean just think of when
you pull your hamstring. Everybody has this. You pull your
hamstring and pull mind about a month ago and you
feel fine. You're like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
But what you don't want to do is you're like,
not ready to go full speed because it felt fine
before you pulled it, and in the in your mind
(27:02):
you feel the pulled muscle even when there is no
pulled muscle. Same thing with the shoulder. So the question
that the the honest question is when Ursa said it,
how was it met by Andrew Luck? Was it that
you calling me aller or was it Luck saying you know, listen,
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I understand it might be in my head, and maybe
it is, but athletes know their body better than anybody else.
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We do have great college football this weekend, and Chris
Sims does an amazing job of covering it, uh, covering
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Notre Dame games for NBC, and of course he has
a part of his own radio show on Pro Football
Talk on NBC Sports Radio, and then you can read
his work complete report. Here's the guy that's got a
lot of different jobs, Chris. Let's let's start with the Irish.
All Right, how good I know they has? I know,
I know Jamal Adams has hurt or has the concussion.
(28:06):
But how good do you think this team is talent wise?
I think they're pretty legit. I think they're actually being
underrated in the in the grand scheme of things, I
really do. And let me let me get this straight.
I mean, my whole life, I think Notre Dame has
been overrated. I mean when I was at Texas, I
mean they were stealing BCS games from me. And but
I think this is truly a year where they've been
(28:27):
underrated to a degree. And the first thing is, as
you know or anybody's been watching college football, the all
the offensive line is special. Uh, there's no doubt about that.
The two guys on the left side, McGlinchey and Nelson,
they are first round talent. Uh, they are the best
left side in college football for my money. And the
rest of the old line is really good too, so
it's full of pros. Then you add to the running backs,
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and then you add to Brandon Winbush, who is the
absolute perfect college quarterback, and Doug Unlike years past two
these you want to say, Okay, well, we'll load the box,
will stop the run. No, they got receivers this year
in Notre Dame too, so you've gotta be a little
careful about leaving players one on one down the field
because win Bush can throw it deep and these guys
(29:11):
can go get it. Why were they so affected by
the athleticism of Georgia when they lost him at home?
You know, I don't think they were Actually, you know,
I really don't think they were affected by the athleticism.
I think first of all, if you went back and
watched the game again, you go, oh wow, it was
a really close game. It was a controversial one handed
catch in the back of the end zone that was
initially called incomplete, and then they reviewed it and called
(29:34):
it complete and gave Georgia a touchdown, and I still
I still think it was incomplete, So I look at
it that way. Really, what they ran into there is
they were okay with the athleticism. Georgia is just a
bunch of big suckers, Doug. They were one of the
few teams, and I think one of the few teams
in college football that can stand in there and slug
it out with that Notre Dame offensive line and at
(29:55):
least slow down the dominant run game. But I think
Notre Dame has improved lot. I know Georgia has to,
But yes, I mean Alabama Georgia. Those are two teams.
Clemson their front four, they could, you know, at least
slow down this Notre Dame run attack. Chris Sims joining
us on the Doug Outlive Show, all right, what about Miami,
they got the turnover chain, Uh, they've survived, you know,
(30:18):
they survived. Georgia Tech couple of weeks ago looked really
good this past weekend. Quite obviously, how legit, How legit
in terms of percentage of back is the U? Because
when I say back to the U that those old
U teams just had more NFL talent than other people,
is that what we're seeing from from this Mark Rick
led team. No, not yet, not yet. I mean, like
(30:41):
you said, those old you know, the U teams, those
were special. I mean that was legitimately when we might
have been able to have a conversation like could this
college team beat some pro teams in the in the NFL. Uh,
they were stacked like you said, I mean Sean Taylor,
Ed Reid, you know, uh Moss and and Andre john Sin.
I mean it was ridiculous. Clinton portis mcgahey. But I
(31:04):
do think this it's on the right track in Miami.
They have the size and physicality that you would like
out of a top tier football team, and I do
think they're front four. When you look at them, they
looked the part. So I'm excited for that battle. I
think the piece of the pieces that Miami are missing.
They don't have those explosive special skill guys quite yet.
I think they're coming because I think Mark Rick can
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really recruit and he'll get them there. But I don't
think they're back to what they once were in their
glory days. I like Notre Dame, I gotta see it
to believe it. Like I said, I mean you Notre
Dame has come out every week and just imposed their offensive,
physical dominance on everybody except for Georgia. And really I
think they're, like I said a little earlier, they are
(31:46):
a better football team. Now. Uh, this defense the Notre
Dame has with Mike elco is a defensive coordinator, it's special.
They don't let up a lot of big plays. I
like Notre Dame in like a tough, thought physical football game.
I'm gonna say, like twenty seven four twenty three, that
type of rage. What happened to Ohio State? Ohio State?
(32:07):
You know, I mean, hey to me and the big
scheme of things. They can't do it every year. I mean,
how many players did they lose to the NFL last year?
So I did a little surprising to me that their
defense has been steamrolled here as of late, especially the
first three quarters against Penn State last week. It was horrible.
But again, I mean, Urban Meyers all legend. You can't
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just replace some of the bodies that they've lost over
the last few years. I don't care who you are.
Oklahoma State and Oklahoma combined for over a hundred and
ten point two was the final score. How much of
that was great offense? How much of it was poorest defense.
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I mean, they don't play defense in the Big Twelve.
I mean the Big twelve for my money, and let's
let's I'll preface it with I like the Big Twelve.
I played in the Big twelve, so I have Big
Twelve pride. But the Big twelve stinks playing and simple,
I don't know any other way to put it. It's
a flag football league. It's a seven on seven football league.
I don't think they can sit there and physically mix
(33:10):
it up with the Alabama's, the Georgias, the Clemsons, the
Notre Dames of the world. I really don't. Uh. They
never play defense in that conference. Now, I'll say this,
there's some good quarterback play. I mean, Baker Mayfield's a baller,
there's no doubt about it. And it's not just a
college ball er either, Doug. He's he's like legit NFL talent.
To me, I don't know if you've seen me on
the NBC broadcast. I hope you're tuning in to watch
(33:30):
me because you liked me. I do, but regardless, I
do and I and I talked to a NFL GM
last night that asked me. He's like, hey, you know
people in Oklahoma find out about you know what type
of kiddy is. Everybody says he's he does not have
the Man's l type issues, but he does have the
Manzel type swag. He's got a big arm. He's little
like man He's little like Manzel, but probably a bigger arm. Uh.
(33:53):
And and but is a tremendous leader. No, I'm with you.
My my problem with that, that narrative of them not
playing defense and how do they go up in shad
Ohio stay down at the shoe? How they go and
win that game? Yeah? Well, I mean we're we're seeing
Ohio States not the greatest football team around. And that
was early in the year. I mean, you know, again,
it's college football where there's no preseason games. These are
(34:15):
young kids, and uh, it can lead to a lot
of different things. Am I gonna sit here and lie
to you and say I watched that film and know
exactly what happened, though I don't, but I watched it
on TV. Uh. And again I think we're seeing that
Ohio States maybe not as special as we thought really. Uh.
And maybe the Big Ten in general is not quite
as special as everybody thought it was. But as a
whole I mean Mayfields an equalizer. I'll say that at
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least and the guy I think could look at him
more than anything. And I've said this on some of
the telecasts. When I look at Baker Mayfield, I think
Russell Wilson. I mean that's the type of player he
used to me. And like you said, he has a
big time arm. It's an NFL like legit. He can
throw the ball and push the ball down the field
with big throws. Chris Sim's joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Rade, you Sam Donald
(35:00):
turned the ball over a ton. Uh. You know about
the decisions to stay or go pro. Uh, It's not
like he's a kid that has to go. He didn't
have to have two years more to play if he
desires to do. So. What are your thoughts on his
development and how quickly he should make that jump? Yeah,
I I don't think he's there. Well, I'll say this,
(35:21):
and I've said this publicly before. I mean, we all
have to pump the brakes. And I said this even
before the season started with Sam Donald being the slam
dunk number one pick. You know, sometimes just uh, people
that are not qualified or making qualifying statements, especially in
the NFL, and it drives me crazy. I'll take a shot.
I mean, it's ESPN Sports Center, broadcasters. That's the one
(35:41):
they tell me every you know, they told me Matt
Barkley was the first pick of the draft, and they
told me Tim Tebow was the greatest quarterback they ever saw.
So I think when I really just look at Sam Donald,
he's a really good football player. The one thing that
concerns me is his throwing, plain and simple. I have
not seen a whole lot of quarter acts in my years,
and you know, I grew up in the NFL household
(36:03):
where I'm pretty obsessed with the game and obsessive quarterback play.
I haven't seen too many guys that have been successful
with that type of motion, that long wind up. It's
kind of Blake Bortles ish, it's kind of Tim tebowish.
It's better than that, don't get me wrong, but it
does concern me, and it is one of the reasons
we've seen more turnovers from them this year because there
(36:23):
is errand passes down the field. Yeah, he's made a
few mistakes just reading coverage and things like that, but physically,
just some of the quality of throws that are are
what scares me, and I look forward if he does
come out to really study in them and see what
he's got. No, it's gonna be fascinating to see exactly
what he had. Last thing. We we talked a little Georgia.
You saw them early in the year in their win
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against Notre Dame, their ranked number one, they go down
to Auburn. Auburn has stentimate quarterback. They're kind of the
It feels like a year to which Auburn does something
crazy like beats Georgia and beach Alabama. Like it just
feels like one of those weird years. Uh, this is
an incredible is it the longest running rivalry, the biggest
rivalry in the South where people think Alabama and Auburn,
(37:06):
but in terms of state border wars, Georgia and Auburn
as big as they get. Likelihood Auburn pulls off an
upset in the planes this weekend, Yeah, I don't, I
really do. I look at it at ball game because
the one thing, like we talked about with Georgia, they
can physically hang in there with you with anybody. It
doesn't that that's not the problem. Auburn is gonna be
able to physically hang in there with Georgia as well,
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so they're not gonna get overpowered. And the one thing
that jumps out to me when I watched Auburn and
you said his name Stidham. Stidham, am I saying right?
Is it still hum? He's the best quarterback in the SEC,
especially just from throwing the football and when there's people
open downfield, he strikes. He can really throw it. So
from there, that's where there it's dangerous because Georgia, I
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don't think they've really seen a quarterback like that that
can stretch the field, make throws into a hole against
cover to safety and corner. Uh. That's where I think
the game can get into thing. And of course they
got to play a few playmakers that he can give
the ball to in the backfield as well. All right, Chris, listen,
I know you have all those jobs because you gotta
pay for those horses. So I have daughter's horseback layer
(38:13):
riding lessons. They're they're definitely taking some dollars out of
my bank account. Man. Hey, I asked my wife. I
asked my wife if she could find a sport to
which I know nothing about and is remarkably expensive. And
she absolutely she completed the task. She's like, found the
most expensive sport that you know nothing about. Thank you
very much, appreciated, Thank you very much. Here goes your
(38:34):
check and your money right out the window. All right,
dear well, listen, have a great weekend, enjoy covering this thing.
We'll talk soon, alright, buddy, be good, good, all right.
That's Chris Simps from Bleach Report. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Okay, non sequitur is a
statement that doesn't follow logically from from one to another,
(39:00):
like you're you're combining things that aren't really combinable, or
you're comparing things non comparable things. Let me let me
give you an example. Reason why. Um, the names of
the three buyer, the names of the three u c
l A players Jello Ball was caught shoplifting. Who are
the other two? Cody Riley and j Hill? Cody Riley
and Jalen Hill. So read four gave who writes for
(39:23):
CBS sports dot Com. A read four gave tweets out
as we think about today's bad news in college hoops,
in permissible benefits at Georgia Tech, shoplifting at U c
l A. Remember this, perhaps these things never would have
occurred if we allowed amateur athletes a bigger share of
the big money collegiate pie. Because Jello Ball, who has
(39:44):
a ferrari, a ferrari, he has a ferrari. The idea
what Reed four gave us saying, it's like, listen, I
know they stole in a foreign country and embarrass their families, themselves,
the U universities that paid to have them go there.
Frankly our country. It's embarrassing. I know all that. But
(40:07):
let's not blame the players who actually did this. Let's
blame the n c A because we think there's somehow
holding back some billions and billions and billions of dollars
of money. All right, read listen, that's just stupid, just stupid.
It's what's called a non sequitur. It's a non secretary.
(40:29):
First of all, the idea that le Angelo Ball doesn't
have money in his pocket when he has a ferrari
at home is stupid, uneducated, and what you're trying to
get his confirmation bias from the masses. You're trying to
get people to go like, oh yeah, oh yeah, billions
and billions. Second of all, you're not being realistic about it.
The billions of dollars in TV money are definitely not
(40:51):
for Georgia Tech basketball. There's no wanton desire for Georgia
Tech basketball. They're just isn't. If not for two Georgia
Tech players being suspended, you wouldn't be able to name
two Georgia Tech players playing basketball. And I grew up
loving point guard you and Bobby Kremmin's and he offered
me in scholars from my house, they had Mark Price.
(41:12):
I love the enon plainsman Mark Price and Travis Best
and Kenny Anderson and Stefan Marburry, like they had Waller
point guards there. But let's like the billions and billions
everybody used the term billions of dollars, like there's seventy
some odd teams. It's contracts that are paid out over
(41:33):
twenty years. Most of them are for football, and therefore
they're not for the nine percent of players are for
the teams, the brands, and the oh point one percent
of players that people actually care about the idea that
it's a player should and I'm not sure if you're
(41:53):
aware of this. When you go play in China, you
get money. It's not spending money, it's per d M,
but you don't actually need it. They probably had a
couple hundred bucks in their pocket for the trip in
addition to whatever they had from home, and so forgiving,
forgiving illicit behavior because the n c A only allows
(42:19):
the cost of attendance. The n c only pays these
guys five six thousand dollars above the full scholarship, room, board, tuition, books, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,
and somehow using it to you know what, I think
if they would have paid him, well, they wouldn't because
you're not taking human nature into effect. The idea that like,
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first of all, players who like le Angelo ball is
going to get cost of attendance right, five thousand dollars
or six thousand dollars wherever you get at u c
l A. However many months, however many years he stays
at Uhila. He is not at the level of his
younger brother or his older brother in terms of how
they're viewed. But the idea that he needs more money
(43:04):
because a college makes money off of him when he
hasn't even played a game yet. Is the dumbest crap
I've ever heard. Stop this. I'd like to think that
people who write and do commentary about sports are smarter,
but you're writing and speaking and tweeting and allowing me
(43:26):
to think otherwise. Oh yeah, oh yes, we should feel
bad about u c l A profiting off Alonzo Balls
image in his six months on campus so that his
(43:47):
dad can profit off Alonzo Balls image for the rest
of his natural life.
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Doug Gottlieb
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