NFL 2017: The Year of Mismanaged QBs

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I retweeted it. Did you get it out there? Yeah?
Lot of people to know and Uh, chime in with us.
We're gonna be here for the next three hours or so,

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and so much to do on this uh pre Thanksgiving holiday, right,
it feels like a little bit of a holiday driving
in when you have day college basketball Onday. That's what
we've got this week. Of course, the Mala invitation of
one of my favorites, and then you've got the Paradise
Jam that they have going on in Atlantis to the
Battle for Atlantis. I should say, it's another one that's

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gaining steam, but football is on our mind, I was
gonna say real quick. Speaking of college basketball, read a
story where Rick Pottino was like, well, I would be
interested if someone was interested in hiring me. I just thought, dude,
are you like totally clueless? Like like, I just thought,
how could that even come out of your mouth? Like, oh,
and it wouldn't be I wouldn't care about the money.

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It wouldn't be about the money, dude, Do you understand
what's what's happened here? That would be like a pothead
who was arrested for charges being like I'd be interested
in smoking marijuana again. Yeah, oh yes you would, Yeah,
no kidding, Who the heck is gonna want him, that's
the question. By the way, Uh, the boone kid from
Louisville not going to be allowed to play because of
the FBI investigation. He's tied all into that. Of course

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they said he was clear, didn't they. Yeah, but he's
now the case. Yes, deuces, see you later. We say
hello to another new starting quarterback in the National Football League.
By the way, Rob's Twitter handle is at Rob Parker
FS one. I am at Dan Buyer on Fox. The
Buffalo Bills have made another change at quarter by a minute,
didn't they just make a big one? Yeah? They did.

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Nathan Peterman last week was named the starter in place
of Tyrod Taylor after a five interception performance in the
first half. But that was the first half. I won.
The whole game, was the That was thirty minutes of football.
That's how long it took for the Buffalo Bills to
go back to Tyrod Taylor. He will start Sunday against
the Kansas at each Yes, And if you're the Buffalo

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head coach, your credibility went out the window with that game.
What would you think? I mean, I just how in
the world could you look at him? Because he went
from Tyrod Taylor is our quarterback right like Monday that
week or Monday or Tuesday or whatever the name was.
To a couple of days later, that Peterman gives them
the best chance to win. That was the That's why

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they were making a change. They're still in the playoff hunt.
There were five and four. I get it. The previous
two weeks had been horrendous. But but the only thing
I didn't understand, Dann was the defense had given up
eighty one points in those two losses. After trading Marcel
Darius as well. I do not understand, let alone what
the Buffalo Bills coaching staff has done, but what the

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front office has done. It seemed like they're objective leading
into the season was listen, Sammy Watkins isn't gonna be
sticking around. They're not gonna give him a long term contract.
They trade him away to the Los Angeles Rams. Well,
then they go and trade Ronald Darby and bringing Jordan Matthews.
You then say we're gonna trade Marcel Darius to the
Jacksonville Jaguars, and you're on your right now. You're on
borrowed time. You are a team that many feel were

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tanking or throwing in the towel looking at and all
of a sudden you find yourself in a playoff contention
or in a playoff birth. So then you go out
and acquire Calvin Benjamin from the Carolina Panthers who has
an injury his reach. These moves are counter productive there
the one way, digging and zagging another way. And now

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it's bled down to the coaching level where Sean McDermott
has gone back to Tyrod Taylor, where apparently Tyrod Taylor
gives them the best chance to win. But this way
a minute that was he told, yeah that I was
being facetious. I was joking that that would be his
his reasoning. But the fact is to say that Nathan
Peterman gave him them their best chance to win was ridiculous.

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Was absolutely ridiculous. And how do you think he felt
on the sidelines in that first half as as a coach?
Probably like, dude, I have no credibility in that locker.
Do you ever do you ever pick games with friends,
whether it be baseball, football, just do a picks thing
and you want to go against the grain, You go
against the team that everybody else picked. You say, Buffalo,

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do you know what they're gonna they're gonna come out
and have something to prove. Yeah, yeah, I like Buffalo.
I don't care if you guys picked the charges and
you watch that game the other ones because you went
against everybody else and knowing that everybody got a step
ahead of you, or if you picking up set in
the n C Double A tournament that nobody else picked.
There's no greater high than picking that, but there's the
no greater low because everybody gained on you and gained

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on you, and then you end up looking like an
idiot because of the decision you made. That's what Sean
McDermott did. So everybody thought it was gonna everybody was
gonna be right that that that that was gonna be
a mistake. You're throwing a rookie quarterback of fifth round
pick in to play on the road for your first game, right,
all the telltale signs. I'm telling you. The gamblers in Vegas,

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they they all knew. I mean, you know, they probably
piled up on that game because like three or four points. Yeah,
I went from like a four point spread about seven, right,
Oh yeah, because because they had to bet that up
knowing that guy's going to have a disaster for his
first game in a situation like that. But what this does,
rob is this shows us what is all about. And

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you can put the Buffalo Bills now into this category
for what has happened over the last couple of weeks.
Maybe it'll be known at one point is the year
that Tom Brady ended up winning his six Super Bowls
For the season I just threw up in my mouth.
Maybe it's the year that Pittsburgh wins another Super Bowl.
Maybe it's the year that the New Orleans Saints get

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Drew Brees the second super Bowl title. All those could
be possibilities. There's no maybe the Detroit Lions when maybe
it's the Detroit Lions winning Super Bowl Super Bowl. Those
could all end up being the storyline. But right now,
as we sit here today on November, the storyline of
the National Football League is how teams have mismanaged quarterbacks.

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And it started in the off season. It's gone all
the way up until leading into Week twelve. There are
teams the right be the Chicago Bears and Mike Glennon
and how they dealt with him before Mitchell Robinsky, you
can take what the Denver Broncos have now done starting
the third quarterback this season, and then they go back
and get brock Oswaller after right after he left, and
and to go back and go get him. And in

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Miami where people, you know, people talked about, well, Jay
Cutler knows the system and he's worked before with Gaze
Right and the whole thing. But every most people called
it that that this is a bad move, that he's
not going to be that guy and it's going to
be terrible, and you know what, I want to be
in terrible. It didn't work out. It didn't work out.
Everybody called it before it even happened. When you had

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Matt more than put in a spot on a Thursday
night game where you're saying, okay, this is the guy
that let us into the playoffs, and then they get
beat forty to nothing. That also doesn't work out. The
Cleveland Browns, for as bad as they are at Owen ten,
also watched their quarterbacking situation. I had no problem with
Shaun Kaiser being the guy, but all of a sudden
they randomly bench him in a Week six game and
then ye doesn't for for a rookie quarterback who doesn't

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know about his future, you have then told him you're
not good enough here. Now we're gonna bring you back.
That is botched that the Houston Texans they started Tom
Savage for a half when we had Deshaun Watson sitting
on the sideline. Because the the mismanaged quarterback is the
theme ofen And it's not just the bad teams robbed.
It can even go with the top with the Patriots

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and how they dealt with the Jimmy Garoppolo situation. They
they botched that as well, and they didn't get what
they should have been able to get for him because
they realized that they weren't going to make the correct move,
which was cutting Tom Brady. Okay, and it's not it's
not a it's not a knock on Tom Brady from
this damnpoint. Look at all the great quarterbacks who finished
their careers with other teams. It's just it's a thing

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that's natural. When a guy gets a certain age and
you had two quarterbacks on the roster, you can't pay
both of them, right, it would have been forty five
million tied up in those two quarterbacks. I look at
it in the sense of, and I know that's been
your thought. I try to get more for jim Me Garoppolo.
Cleveland would have given them more in the draft for
Jimmy Garoppolo. There's they could have gotten offers for Jimmy

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garopol I'm not with you on the cutting of Tom Brady. Yes, no,
that's that's that's that we can agree that the pots
Brett Farve finished his career elsewhere. Joe Namith I could
go through the list. Wait a minute, Joe Montana won
four super Bowl four he was four. No, he never lost.
He finished his career elsewhere in Kansas City. This is

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not a Tom Brady thing. This is just the nature
of the game, age, money. It has nothing to do
with Tom Brady. Everybody, Peyton Manning left Indianapolis. This is
what happens in this game. It's not against Tom Brady.
And so what happens is now they've left himself exposed.
God forbid, tom Brady doesn't get hurt or something happens now,

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they'll be in trouble the Patriots and don't have their
quarterback of the future get this year. It's not about
just this year. That's not what Tom Brady and Garoppolo.
Because if that's the case, and if you really didn't
want Garoppolo, you could have trade him before for more stuff.
I would you agree with that? I think they could
have gotten more for Jimmy Garoppolo in the off season.

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Are you saying that they have gotten more for Tom
if they know what I'm saying, I'm saying, yes, Garoppolo,
they could have already moved knowing that they're gonna go
with Tom Brady. Yes, but they didn't do that because
I don't think they were for sure they remember Tom
Brady the first three quarters of the Super Bowl. That's
not a guy you were hanging onto. Would you agree
after the first three quarters against the Lant But he

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didn't play? Did he not play well? He didn't play
that well. He looked old and father Tom has never
lost in so as good as he looks now, it
comes a moment where Tom Brady won't be that guy.
Inen You can't argue with the decision for Tom Brady.
You know that. I'm not saying that they should have

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called him this year after Super Bowl. You're gonna bring
the guy back and let him play. What I'm saying
with Garoppolo, if you really weren't going to keep them,
you probably should have moved him before they just dumped them.
They just dumped them at the point when they realize,
if we don't do it, we're gonna lose them anyway
for nothing. And that's the sense of that even the
best teams in the National Football League don't know how

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to handle their quarterbacks. My issue with the Carolina Panthers
has been what good is Cam Newton? If Cam Newton
can't run, that's what that's what makes Cam Newton Cam Newton.
I'll put the Panthers in this just the discussion of
what we want to protect Cam and keep him around
for fifteen years. Why if that's the back half of
his career. He isn't Cam Newton that you know that
can run the ball. It doesn't make any sense. If

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I've got a mobile quarterback that is on my team
that I know can run and get yards, and after
eight or nine years he's banged up and no longer
has that threat anymore and isn't as accurate as some
of the other pastors, I move on from him. I
don't need a Cam Newton that doesn't run in my organization.
I need a Cam Newton that runs for first down,
that runs for touchdowns. It's another organization that with the

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with the conversations of how teams handled with quarterbacks, teams
just aren't getting it in seven. And I also say this,
we'd be remissed that the mishandling of quarterbacks the year
of seen, as you call it, also has something to
do with Colin Kaepernick and the idea that he was
black balled for the league and teams would rather lose

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and put in guys who aren't very good rather than
give that guy an opportunity. And I think that's the
most telling thing of this NFL season, that teams would
rather lose with lesser talent than to give a guy
who obviously deserves a job in this league an opportunity.
I I think that's the most disheartening thing about the

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entire NFL season is that I finally, for the first
time saw teams not want to win and we're willing
to prove a point, not win put themselves in a
spot where they can't win with some of the guys
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Parker FS one Saturday and nights you. Stanford Cardinal will
be taking on Notre Dame in one of the best
rivalries and all of college football joining us now had
football coach at Stanford, David Shaw. Hey, coach, thanks so
much for taking the time today to join us. Hey,
you're not a problem, my pleasure. Let's let's start with this.
You've got Notre Dame this weekend, You're coming off of
a rivalry game against Cal, and you've got Thanksgiving on Thursday.

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How in the world is a college football coach do
you handle this week with the book ends of Cal
and Notre Dame. Well, you know, there's there's a lot
of emotion. There's a lot of um um excitement to
play against two of our biggest rivals. UM. And it's
around a great holiday, so there are a lot of
families that come into town. We do a big Thanksgiving

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for all our players, all of our staff, and any
family that's a town and wants to join us um
to really kind of take a moment and be grateful
for where we are and what we're doing and the
people that were surrounded with. And then a couple of
days later we go out and try to play a
really good game against a good Notre Dame team. Is
it back to back quickly with the rivalries of of
consecutives of weeks would you rather have it spread out

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or is it more advantageous to have it back in? Well,
we here at the Pact two don't believe in spreading
anything out. We uh play nine conference games. Many of
the play nine in a row. Um, And I think
for us that that's also exciting about kind of our schedule.
And I know a lot of teams are like this too,
where we have so many rivalry games, right, USC is
a rivalry game for US. U c l A is

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a rivalry game for US. Cal Notre Dame Oregans be
kind of big rivalry for US. So really every few
weeks you've got somebody who is a rival that you're
playing against. So for us, it's just exciting every week
that big Thanksgiving Day dinner. Do you cook? Are you
just bring uh bring the stomach to eat? How are
you helping out in that? I suppose, I suppose I

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have a lot of moral support for those who do
prepare the meal. Um. One day, when I retire, i'll
contribute more. I guess I'll say it that way. I
got you, all right, Dave. You know, most people think
it's a full gone conclusion that Baker Mayfield gonna win
the Heisman Trophy, But can you make a case for
your running back Bryce love Well. So bringing up the

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Hisman with me is a lot of a lot of
things that come out. But I'll say this my biggest issue,
and it's not necessarily the fault of the people that
have anything to do with the Heisman, is that in
our society right now, in our world, our football world,
we try to hand the award out every week, right,
we try to hand in September, you know, early in September,
it's going to be the quarterback at see Sam Donald,

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it's his award, Then it's Berkley's award, then it's Baker
Mayfield's award. My thing is, hey, let the season play out.
Let's watch everybody, let's let's let's evaluate at the end
of the year when all the games are played, um
and let's let's see who we believe should should be
the Heisman Trophy winners. So for me, there's still more
football to be played. I believe there's two more weeks
of games before the votes are cast, and I think

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everything should be taken into account, and absolutely I do.
I believe that Bryce Loft should be considered. I think
what he's done up until the point where he got
injured was on a historic pace. And since he's been injured,
he's rushed for more yards and scored more touchdowns than
a lot of people with two good ankles. UM, He's
broken a lot of tackles. He's made big games in
some a couple of games he hasn't been able to finish.

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And I'm not saying he's Willis Reid, but he's come
off the field a couple of times and come back.
And what he did against a top defense in Washington,
UM they'd only given up three rushing touchdowns all year
and he scored three against him. They'd only given up
one Hunter Dart rusher, and he scored. He ran for
a hundred and sixty six UM and limped off the
field multiple times. And this kid's a warrior. He's a

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great football player, he's pre med UM. The guy's just phenomenal.
So I do believe he should be considered. There's a
lot of great stats on him, but I saw one
where through his thirty six career games, he's averaging eight
point one six yards a rush and the all time
record is eight point to six. What what makes him?

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You know? What makes him tick? What is what does
he have special less different from other running back. Well,
the thing with most of us out here in the
West Coast that have seen him, a lot of people
in the East Coast I don't, just haven't seen him
very much. For a hundred nine hundred nine pounds, this
guy breaks tackles. He's not a little scat back that
just runs and runs to the sideline and tries to
go go fast and set by to balance. This guy
runs between the tackles. He leads the nation and yards

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after contact. All the big good running backs in America,
this hundred nine pound young man leads the nation of
yards after contact. He leads the nation in runs over
ten yards, runs over twenty yards, runs over thirty yards,
forty yards, and fifty yards um. He said, at least
one fifty yard run and every single game this year
except for one, those those things are just unbelievable. And

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to think what he's done in the last month um
with an injury and and battling to to fight and
stay out there and scrap not just for the awards,
but because he loves to play the game and he
loves his teammates. David Shaw, the head football coach at
Stanford joining us here on the Doug gott Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Sounds like he could rest his
case right. He was gonna say, well, while while Bryce
Love is pre mad, Rob was club mad when he

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was a little little little different with the with the
two there, and I did get a degree for club
that's good. How coach, you've got Notre Dame on Saturday,
But how much of your attention would be on what
that airboard is gonna stay with that Washington State Washington game?
Because your Pack twelve title game hopes lie in the
hands of the Washington Huskies if they can knock off

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Washington State. Your games are going on at the same time.
How much do you scoreboard watch Saturday night? Well, I'm
sure there's gonna be a lot of that going on
in the stands with all of our our Sanford Cardinal
faithful for us. Uh, Notre Dame is getting all of
our attention. Um. They are a very good football team,
one of the best in the nation. These guys are big,
they are physical, and they can hurt you. So we

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won't be distracted. We've got a game to play. We're
not gonna save anything for potential pact Fell championship game.
All I know is this is our tool regular season game. Um.
It's a big game and an exciting game as it
with opportunity if we play well to get our ninth
win of the season. UM So yeah, if they announced
the score periodically, I'm completely fine with that because for
our coaches and our players, um, when these Golden domers

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come in here, they deserve our full attention. David Shaw
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. What is the
toughest thing about coaching in the Pack twelve? If you
had to put your finger on it with that conference,
what's the what's the most difficult thing? There are a
lot of things. One is just nationally, people don't understand.
I don't believe how deep this conferences and how hard
this this conferences. They see a Washington State team like, oh,

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that's just Washington State and playing in the police in
the snow. That is a tough place to play. They
are allowed, they are ruckus. Um they play extremely well
at home. Uh, there are a lot every every road
venue is a tough place to play. Um So in
our conference, especially when you play nine conference games and
people say it's not that big of a deal, Well,
you look at the schedules compared to a lot of
the other conferences that don't play. So like we'll be

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playing our believe our eighth conference game and we play
our eighth conference game in a row last week, where
a lot of the other conferences they'll play three or
four in a row. Then they'll put a one double
a opponent in, or they'll have a bye, et cetera.
So it's not the same our our conference as a
game of attrition. Um, you know, we don't talk about
winning the PAC twel we talked about surviving the PAC twelve.
And before we let you go, I want I want

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to jump back to just the Notre Dame and the
Bryce Love stuff. Is there anything that you do for
him to try to get that Heisman stuff? Do you
do you give him more carries? Do you get to
the goal on? Is there anything different that you would
do on Saturday to try to help prove improve his
case for a Heisman Trophy? The thing is, with a
guy like him, we don't have to do anything special. Um.
We just handed the ball and he does he does

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what he does. Um, hopefully he's healthy enough, hopefully can
sustain the full game. Um, this guy breaks tackles, he
makes long runs and the run against cal I mean,
he's probably about and he outran everybody, even guys that
had great angles. Um, we don't we don't mess with
the integrity of the football game. We're not gonna put
ourselves in harm ways to do to do something for

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one guy, and Bryce wouldn't want us to. Bryce wants
us to throw for touchdown passes. He wants our defense
to play well, and he wants to play his role. Um.
The difference is like, when he gets enough carries, Uh,
he's gonna break one. That's just who he is and
that's what kind of football player he is. Um, he's
in a dynamic, exciting football player. I do find it
odd that the you know, Stanford is known for the
Stanford tree, and we killed about three trees printing out.

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Bryce loves what stuffes Stanford and coach David Shaw good
luck against Notre Dame. Happy thanks. You can get coach
Shaw on Twitter at coach David Shaw. Great information. They're
trying to keep it as basic as you can. But
it's interesting to hear him talking about the depth of

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the pack twelve because Arizona did come on this year.
You talk about road trips in the Big Ten where
I'm from, there are certain games you're like, Okay, this
could be a this could be a tricky spot, could
be a tricky road game. Not all of them. There
are some places that are that are muted. You're like,
all right, you'll you'll be fine there. But when he
talks about going to Washington State or you know, we
know how great Oregon's crowd is, there's there are some unknowns,

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even Utah or a Colorado the same way, so interesting
shotting some light. I'm no doubt about it. I'll tell
you weren't that he made a convincing case. Uh he did,
for he really did. The numbers are unbelievable, and you're right,
we got like three pages of stuff here, which is
hard to argue with. But Vegas had odds a couple
of weeks ago where he took everyone off the board

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except Baker Mayfield, um se Kwon Barkley and Bryce Love.
I think you're gonna see three guy crew for a
finalist for the Heisman, even though I still think Baker Mayfield,
just because of what he was able to accomplish this year,
it's probably gonna win your thing. Pretty easily right, Yeah,
I think so. Yeah. I think Bryce Love would have
to do something crazy against Notre Dame. I think to

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really get into the consciousness. He is Rob Parker. I'm
Dan Buyer filling in for Doug Gottlieb on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. And Rob has got a message for a
Baseball Hall of Famer. And then Hall of Famer isn't
gonna want to hear it, but you'll hear it next.
But first, Isaac Loenkron bills this in on the latest
of what's happening in the NFL. And yeah, even a
college basketball afternoon. Hey Isaac, you bet, Dan and Rob,

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good afternoon to both of you. The Nathan Peterman Er,
excuse me, Nathan peterman era with the Buffalo Bills apparently
lasted just one game there. Head coach Sean McDermot announced
the Tyrod Taylor will reassume the starting quarterback job for
Sunday's game against Kansas City. The Houston Texans place running

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back Dante Foreman on injured reserve. Falcon's head coach Dan
Quinn says running back DeVante Freeman remains in concussion protocol NBA.
The Golden State Warriors sake, Kevin Durant is probable for
tonight's game at Oklahoma City despite a left ankle sprain.
Milwaukee head coach Jason Kidd said today that Janice Anteda
Kumpo will not play tonight against Phoenix because of right

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knee soreness. Adrian war Janowski reports the Clippers point guard
Patrick Beverly had surgery on his right knee today and
is expected to miss a significant amount of time. And
on the college basketball scoreboard over at Atlantis right now,
Number five Villanova with a two lead over Western Kentucky

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twenty three seconds left to play in the first half. Earlier,
number eighteen per Due lost in overtime to Tennessee seventy
eight to seventy. Boiler down. The usually boiler up when
the boiler Makers win, not the case this time around.
Interesting note thanks Isaac about the honest and Teta Koopo
absence tonight against Phoenix with the NBA's rules, the new

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rules on keeping the stars making sure that they play.
Remember it was the National Televised Games rob that was
the big deal, because I'm sure ESPN picked up the
phone after they set out some big games and the
advertisers calling heck, the NBA has got their money. I'm
sure ESPN and and everybody who was advertising not happy
with that for sure. But now you've got your honest

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and Teta Koopo sitting out a game in Phoenix, which
would be his only stop in Phoenix this year, because
of a sore knee. And this is this is where
it gets a little in the gray area, a little
dicey when you're trying to figure out who should play
and who shouldn't and if he's really hurt. I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna stand in the way of somebody
who says that they're hurt and they can't go. But

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if you're not playing because they think they can win
in that game in Phoenix against a bad you know
what I mean, a bad team and they can get
a night's rest, I'm just saying, then I have an issue,
especially you just said it the only visit in the Phoenix.
Imagine the kids who who bought tickets who want to
see him play. It's heartbreaking and I just hate to

(26:20):
put it all like that on people if they're really injured.
If you're injured, deny and you gotta live with it.
But if if they're resting him and maybe he can go,
and they just decided to hold him out. I just
think that this is just where it gets a little
slippery when you're trying to decide what happens. And and
as a Bucks fan, I never would have thought there
would be a day that fans would want to go

(26:41):
to the arena to see the visiting Bucks. I mean,
I grew up in an era where there were ads
in the newspaper saying as Ayah Thomas and Michael Barkley
and it's one appearance coming to town this weekend. The
way it used to be, right, that's the way it
used to be marketing. Yeah, yeah, it used to be
in baseball that you could do um every thing clean
and then get into the Hall of Fame. That's been

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a little bit of a gray area as a and
one Hall of famer has taken issue with it, Joe
Morgan releasing a letter earlier this week, a letter that
he wrote to the Baseball Writers Association of America Hall
of Fame voters. When I got that in my mail email,
I'm like, what is this. You're like, Joe Morgan's Okay, Hey, Joe,

(27:23):
quick question did he see see you? Or was it
just to Rob Parker? I know it was. I think
it was to everybody on that list. It wasn't just
to me. But but I did look at it at
first and go, you know, I saw that Joe Morgan,
I'm like, what is this? And then I started to
read it and go ahead, you got some points from it? Well?
He wrote the letter that spanned about two pages or so,

(27:44):
essentially saying that the time has arrived where now you
are voting for guys who have used steroids for their
induction into Baseball's Hall of Fame. And my summarizing the
two page letter is quickly enough that's what he is saying,
and he is in he is he is m besizing
to the baseball writers that the Hall of famers that
are in the Hall of Fame don't want steroid users

(28:06):
in the Hall of That's basically said. I don't speak
for everybody, but I've talked to enough Hall of famers
and this is the feeling that you know, we have
as a group. And it's just a couple of problems.
And and and Dan, I did write a column on
the Shadow league dot com an open letter back to
Joe Morgan. We're basically I said, you're a day late
and the dollar short with this whole letter to the

(28:27):
baseball writers, because there are guys already who are questionable
when you talk about steroid use. Pudge Rodriguez, who jose
Can Saco wrote in his book that he personally injected
Pug Rodriguez. Now that's that's from jo. I'm just yes,
I'm just going by. I also was in Detroit when

(28:48):
Pudge in the off season lost forty pounds and came
back forty pounds lighter. After all that stuff kind of
came out. How convenient. He said, he walked a lot
after dinner and ate a lot of sad. I said, dude,
you should write a book of this, this salads and
walking after dinner. But also, Mike Piazz's name has always
been out there. He's in the Hall of Fame, right,

(29:10):
the rumors, whether there's a test or not. I'm just
talking about people who have been suspected of using some
sort of performance enhancing drugs, and Bagwell took seven or
eight years to get in. He got in this past year. Again,
some people felt that he was involved in it, right, Yes, yes,
there were questions so so I thought his letter was disingenuous.

(29:33):
I thought his letter wasn't about keeping steroid people out.
I think that that letter should have been titled we
don't want Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens in the Hall
of Fame, because that's who I thought that letter was
written about, and especially Dan because over the last couple
of years, their numbers haven't gone down, and you know,

(29:55):
you need Sidney to be able to get in right
there on the ballot. This is like their fourth or
fifth year on the ballot. Last year they got up
to fifty five or so. They're off and the numbers
keep rising. So this year with a big push or
next year, could they be in Clemens and Bonds? They could.

(30:19):
That's the issue. And this is the problem that I
have with Joe Morgan's letter is so there are a
couple of problems that I have with it. I think
you make some valid points, But first of all, it's
not the players Hall of Fame. This isn't about the
guys who are enshrined. They are enshrined, but it's for
everyone everyone else as well. They are a part of it.

(30:41):
So no no doubt about it that that to think
that you own you don't own the Hall of Fame.
But that's not the people who are in it do
not own it. And I'll tell you one thing. For
all the talk about having respect for the players, Dan,
when you go through the list, if you would ever
come up and give me a list of people who

(31:01):
you thought were questionable Hall of Famers, I'll sit here
and tell you right now that the writers did not
vote them in. Most of the questionable people in the
Hall of Fame. Guess how they got in through the
Veterans Committee of former players. That's why when I hear
former players talk about it and and that they want
to dictate and figure out who goes in and who

(31:23):
doesn't get in. The issues with the Hall of Fame
are mostly based on former players letting people in that
they like and whatnot. Those are all of let's say,
Phil Risotto shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Guess
what writers didn't vote for Phil Rozotto. I could go
through the list of questionable guys and Hall of Fame
and percent of them were not voted in by writers.

(31:47):
The writers are very serious about this, take it very seriously.
And that's what I don't understand. Joe's asking us to
do our job that I think we've done pretty well.
Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds didn't get in the first year,
so obviously the writers right have. Look, that's even the
amount of percentage that they had. I mean, there's there's
half of the voters that didn't feel that they should

(32:08):
get in. And there is no way in the world
that based just on their numbers that they wouldn't be
first ballot Hall of Famers totally. And this is the
other part that I think he misses out on, and
this is you should be writing a letter to the
commissioner of Major League Baseball because when I look at
the record book and I look for the most home runs,
Barry Bonds name is in there, so you can say

(32:32):
whatever you want, but those numbers are recognized by the sport.
Number two, where's your letter asking the New York Yankees
and Boston Red Sox to return their World Series championships?
Didn't they win with players who use steroids? So you
just want to You just wanna banish Bonds and Clements
and keep them out. But the teams get to keep

(32:54):
all the money and the attendance and the TV ratings
and the Trophy for the backs of the players who
use the stuff. Is that what you're telling me that
nobody else gives punished but Bonds and Clemens. I'm not
buying that. And I'll tell you this, If you gave
everybody a test from that era of baseball and only Bonds,

(33:15):
Clemens and McGuire and so so what tested positive, then
I'm with you. Those guys should be you know, taking
up taken to the side and said, we're not gonna
uh acknowledge what you did, but we know deep down
that it was rampant because they were testing for it
and it wasn't illegal we for for baseball rules, It

(33:36):
just wasn't I look at the ballots, and when you
say that it's singled out to Roger Clements and Verry Bonds.
I believe that. But I also think there's gonna be
quite a conversation when Alex Rodriguez become just because no
one has been more public of I mean, this is
a guy that served a two games suspension, you know,

(33:58):
missed an entire season for it, admitted it doing multiple times.
But again, you can't argue with the numbers. You can
also make an argument and and maybe maybe this gets
into a gray area. But with Bonds, with Clemmons, and
I do think with a rod if you took the
first half of their careers, they would be Hall of famers. Anyway,
Bonds won three m vps in in Pittsburgh before even

(34:20):
to San Francisco, and Clemens won three saw Young's before
right with the Red Sox. This is the other thing,
and I think that sometimes I think UH fans aren't fair.
I would sit here and say that for the most part,
I don't doubt that Bonds was on equal footing because
pictures were using it as well. So you look at Bonds,

(34:43):
but who are the guys who we faced already? We
already know Pettit and Clemments and some other guys. More
pictures have been caught with steroid Euston Hitters. No one
ever talks about that. So to me, I think they
were on equal footing. They didn't have an advantage if
pictures were using it as well. He's Rob Parker, I'm
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(35:26):
Doug today. And just quickly a little add on to
the Joe Morgan Hall of Fame conversation. It is interesting
because it came to the points, as you mentioned, where
Bonds and Clement's got over fifty percent, but they weren't
above fifty percent until last year. Kurt Schilling actually was
above fifty percent and dropped under fifty. And so it's

(35:48):
interesting that I would think that if a guy was
on your ballot the whole time, that they would continue
to be on the ballot until their time expired. And
that didn't get enough you know, opportunity. I'm with you.
This is how I do my ballot. Once I vote
for you, I always vote for you your entire run. Okay,
because nothing, the stats don't change, So it doesn't make

(36:10):
sense to to to change. I agree with you, and
if I don't vote for you the first time, I
never vote for you. I I don't go back and go, oh,
wait a minute, wait a minute, maybe I should vote
for So that's I think that that's the way because
the numbers don't change. I don't understand. And when they
let guys in on their fifteenth year, now it is
ten years, I think that that's weak. That it took

(36:33):
your fifteen years to make it to the Hall of Fame,
and people feel compelled, well, this is the last year
on the bat, I'm gonna vote for him. If you
didn't vote for him the first fourteen years, why in
the world would you vote for him the fifteenth year.
I think that's they don't want to be the ones
to keep them out of it. But if they don't
belong they don't belong to me. This should be no
first and second year. You should either either you're Hall

(36:56):
of Famer or you're not. Your first year. It should
allays be your first year, not a second or third time,
because nothing changes that wise. So I don't understand the
notion of guys getting in four and five years later.
If I'm gonna vote for you, I vote for you
the first year, and I vote for you every year.
Time to play a game. Okay, this is game time

(37:21):
side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. It is a time
where we play a game and our executive producer, Ryan
Music serves as today's host. Hello Ryan, what game do
we play today? Hello? Dan? I think we're gonna play this? Yes,
that's right. Guess who I will read you a story.
You gotta tell me who it is about. First up here,
guess who was out partying until three in the morning

(37:43):
following an eighteen point loss earlier this week in the NBA.
No nobody from the Boston Celtics. So Kyrie accamping them
because they never lose, right, gosh, I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to think of who lost this past weekend.
This was last year, we'd say to Nick because they
lost by a t and every night. Yeah, jeez um,
I'm gonna just say Lebron James. That is in correct,

(38:09):
that's right. Blake Griffin, who has been long reported to
be in a relationship with Kendall Jenner, was spotted outside
of a New York nightclub up and down at three
am following their eighteen point lost to the Knicks. Are
there only like four women in southern California? Is am
I missing something? We want to know what nobody else here?
We want to know what they were doing at five am.

(38:30):
Let's be honest, that's the real question. We see him
at three? What's going on? You need? You need to
undercover report for that one. Very good, Very good? All right.
Next in the NFL, guess who's reportedly gaining a reputation
as a quote coach killer, coach killer. Oh, I'll let

(38:53):
you take this one. Uh, coach kill. I'm just looking
at um. Jake Cutler with Jake Carlo is a good guest,
but I think we already knew that. I'm trying to
think of any other team? How about Dak Prescott? Got
it is John Elway. According to Mike Freeman of Bleacher Report,

(39:18):
after speaking with executives and assistant coaches from around the NFL,
one assistant coach said, quote, he's becoming a coach killer.
Coaches are starting to see the Broncos as a death trap.
That's that's well, but they've been losing two years ago.
Know what have you done for me lately? Daniel. I've

(39:38):
always said, like if if you're the Giants. If you
draft Eli Manning and the day you draft him or
you trade for him, and they say you're gonna win
two super Bowls with this guy, take it or leave it?
You take it? No, you always take super Bowl. That's
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(40:05):
and and points and points were doubled. Did we have
another question before we ran out of time? We do
have one. Okay, let's let's double off the points. Okay,
real quick. Who thinks Odell Beckham is the best receiver
in the league? Geez um, no one, No, I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding. You mean like a coach or something that

(40:25):
was best receiver in the league, Bencado, Jake Cruden, the
red Skin. That's why they would do it. You gotta
say things about the team that you're gonna play, how
great they are. So did you get beat? Thankful that
they don't face them. I'm glad to have you with
us is we get your chat for a trio of

(40:48):
Thanksgiving Day games coming up tomorrow in the National Football League.
Mentioned yesterday on the program Rob that I'm a fan
of the two games. I'm not a huge fan of
the third game. I get enough bill watching the Lions
and Cowboys and then you know what, then the Turkey
nap takes in. I'm all right with missing the third
game if they ever wanted to reduce that. But this
is where the NFL the issues and the problems when

(41:10):
people talk about the ratings issues, Dan, it's oversaturated. Is
too much? There is too much, And I agree with you,
the two games we were good with. We don't need
another game. People want to watch a movie with the
family or do something else, right, and there's that third
game that's looming, and I don't know, I don't know
what the ratings are, but they I bet you did
not as good as the first time. I've always felt

(41:33):
that the Sunday night game is too much. I'm actually
okay with a Thursday night game. I like having the
week seem a little bit shorter instead of waiting to
get the Sunday to watch the NFL football. Heck, on
Thursday night after work, you could go home and watch
an NFL game. Maybe you have some interest if you're
playing fantasy sports. It's now the triple header on Sunday
where you go from one o'clock Eastern time and then

(41:55):
you're not done until don't forget those London games too.
On those when they have the London games AM and
it's just over, like over the top. I always say
the NFL reminds me of when Regis Fieldman had that
show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Do you remember
how popular and ABC killed? Did you remember they put

(42:17):
it on four nights a week because it was a
ratings hit. It was like, great, we wait every week
to watch it, and then all of a sudden, ABC goes, Wow,
the show is doing so well, let's put it on
four nights a week and boom, shows killed if you
even though it's still on a syndication, but it ain't
close to what it used to be. But I guarantee you.
I actually it's crazy as it is. It's funny reving

(42:37):
this conversation. I was talking with friends this weekend about
that exact show, and I said, I guarantee you if
you made it a one week event, just for five nights.
You say, Regis is coming back. Oh, we're gonna play
who wants to be a ten millionaire? You know, up
the prize money. You will have people watch that night.

(42:57):
They want to watch an event. The them that I
feel is now, as a football guy, Sunday night football
isn't an event because it just watched six hours of
that same event earlier in the day. Right. It's like
the guy who loves ice cream until they start working
at the ice cream factory, right, all of a sudden,
the taste is like, I'll get it tomorrow. I don't

(43:18):
want ice cream again. And that's what the NFL has done.
And I think that's where they really have to rethink
about it. And I give more cuping credit. The owner
of the Mavericks Go go Google Cuban talking about the NFL,
he said this like three years ago that they're gonna
kill the Golden Goose because they're too greedy slaughter. Right,
That's exactly what he said. And he was right on

(43:40):
the money that you can't overdo it too There is
a thing called too much, because Dan, when you add in,
say I got a kid in high school Friday night football.
I went to college, a big time college. I went
to Wisconsin or Michigan. Right then I got my game
on Saturday. So now I got Friday high school, Saturday,

(44:02):
I got college football. Then you want me to watch
four games on Sunday starting in if they have a
London game all the way to Sunday night, then they
got a Monday night game, and they got a Thursday
night game. It's it's actually what makes the NBA great
with their Thursday night window, and there's marquee matchups, but
it makes you want to see the Thursday night games
on t NT because they're good games. You weren't sitting

(44:24):
at home at noon watching hornets and yeah, hornets in
the nets like but but in the NFL, we're watching
all that. And maybe another way where the NBA is
is moving ahead of the National Football leagu When I'll
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the Toronto Raptors joining us prior to tip off of
that game tonight is Nick Center and his cancer and
I thinks so much for taking the time and hey,
a game on a game day. That's that's appreciate. Yeah,
we really appreciate that. Thanks so much. Problem we are

(45:07):
going to the actually the game right now, we are
the New York traffic. Stuck in the traffic. Yeah, I know,
with Thanksgiving and everybody trying to move around. I know
that's why I left my house early. That's a smart move.
That's a smart move. So how would you characterize your
first month of regular season basketball as a member of
the New York Knicks. Describe what it's been like over

(45:29):
the last thirty or so days since you've joined the organization.
It's it's been like dream man. I remember, you know,
the first the first time I got traded, you know,
how like I played feels really awkward. I step on
that locker room, you know, I felt like I've been
playing for this then four years. And because everybody was
so welcoming, the whole organization opened their arms. They were

(45:51):
really warm people and you know the obviously I didn't
know the defense was that crazy. You know the obviously
you see that the Haves game, all the other games.
It's just it's like every game in the NSC, it's
like a playoff game. So it's it's been it's been
like a dream. I was just gonna sit that. I
used to cover the Knicks back in the uh Patrick

(46:11):
Ewing Charles Oakley days for the New York Daily News
and spend a lot of time in Madison Square Garden
and it is like a It's like a theater, isn't it,
with the with the way that they turn the lights down,
and it's an event. I mean, it is one of
the best places to watch a basketball game or has
for you playing basketball? Is it? Oh? The dads for me?

(46:32):
I mean I told you know that some of the
people that you know, I play Western Conferm Finals with
the Oklahoma City Couner. But you know, I saw, like
there's two three games right now we had that. It's
just like the Western Conferm Finals game. It's been crazy,
all the fans but turing, yelling, sometimes booing, damn and everything.

(46:53):
So it's like every time when we when we were
out there. I just want to say I appreciate them
a lot because they always sported us, and we down
by twenty, up by twenty. I see all those people
and they just send it up, clapping for us, supporting us. So,
I mean, I feel like it's really important because knowing
that the oldest, you know, the nixt time behind you
like that, it just gives you so much confidence. And
there's Canada, the New York Knicks joining us. The great

(47:14):
thing about New York they don't have to wear matching
T shirts like to do in Oklahoma City. That's just
for me. New Yorkers would never You couldn't gonna put
a T shirt over five thousand dollars. Suit don't never happen.
It is, it is not happening. That is Canada joining
us here on Fox Sports Radio. So what what did
you say? We know about the conversation, but what really

(47:37):
happened with you and Lebron last week? What was the
conversation when you got in the space first. I mean
the first time I just saw the news, I was
just like, I think it was like right after the game.
I just uh, sort of right after the game before
I just got like really sad because a guy like
that obviously is one of, you know, maybe the best
play in the world. That talking about the nineteen you know,

(47:58):
look you like that. It just made me feel like,
you know, it just made me really sad. And then
I felt like, hey, he's part of our family, and
we need to somebody to just step up to protective
because the next day you're gonna see him in the
morning and then be like, man, nobody even stepped up
and say anything about what his comments, so I have
to say something, yeah, you know, who, just protect a

(48:20):
guy whatever on Twitter, and then it's just becoming so
crazy that everybody just started talking about it. And then
during the game, I saw him like human, you know,
Lebron was pushing each other a little bit. I was like, okay,
that's cool, and then it just got a little hit.
It hit up, and now it was like, you know what,
I need to step up now. And then I got
to step up. I don't remember what he said. I

(48:41):
have no idea because like it was just so loud,
everybody was yelling, screaming. But I told I just told him,
it's like, you know, you just cannot you cannot mess
with my man. You know, I obviously just and then
after that every player came out trying to spit. But
that's whatever. But as I said, it like just made
me really sad that a player like him and to
come like that, really said, on the scale of one

(49:02):
to ten, how bad was Lebron's breath? Because you were right, No,
I'm curious. It's in a game you're sweating. You probably
got a lot of the scale of one to ten,
how bad was Lebron's breath as you were grying. Actually,
I did not even think about it, man, I did
not think about how his breath was. I I had
no idea, but we got so closed manure out there.

(49:25):
It was like, man, I cannot I don't want to
get that close to him. Man every game there I
read your lips. I thought you said to Lebron at
least some not three and five in the NBA finals.
That's that's just a rumor. Man. I did not uh
and his canter of the nixt joining us. I know,
Thanksgiving here is a is a big holiday in the

(49:47):
United States. You're you're, I know, thankful for all that
you've got in the NBA, but you're also giving back.
Tell us a little a bit about your foundation, and
not only what you do states that but around the
world and it's through your foundation. Oh but my foundation
or just it's called an A Scanter Foundation. The most
important thing is just with foundation and fosters the warness

(50:08):
and have children developed on through education and poverty, television
and social her money across the globe. I think it's
just so important. So you know, we're playing basketball and
everything and all the fans, all these people all around
the world are supporting you. So it's I think it's
just for me. It's so important to give back to
the community because when you see all the stands always

(50:28):
there for you, always cheering for your supporting you. So
I think it's just for me and I think for
all the players, it's just so important to give back
to community. So that's what I've been, you know, really
to trying to do, especially focusing on my foundlies and
focus on education. And they can find that at en
it's cancer eleven dot com is that where they can
find And I gotta say, really, and all jokes aside,

(50:50):
I was impressed that you guys are stood up to
Lebron and you did as well in that situation because
I'm with you. I thought that it was a cheap
shot at a player, And you know what, if you
don't take up for your own guys, then then what
do you have. You don't have a team. I mean
if you look at it, like, if you look at
that team, you need to you have to if you're
playing with this guys, use sold your teammates more than

(51:13):
everybody was, more than your family, more than your kids,
sometimes more than your rights. So you need to look
at your your team like like family and some if
someone anybody outside trying to message your family, what do
you gonna just say, Okay, just let the mess with it.
Now you have to step up and try to protect
your family. So that's why my thing was just like

(51:34):
just going out there and just he's just one of
my nineteen year old brother, just trying to get you
used to the NBA life. I was like, you know what,
we need to protect him. And I think he gave
me a fish pump later and say I appreciate it.
I just said, no problem when you went into the
locker room and his canner joining us here on the
Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, did you see
this next team as a playoff team? Because right now.

(51:55):
If the playoffs started today, you'd you'd be in the postseason.
People are just keep saying that, oh, we just talent
said I think the Knicks gonna make the playoffs in
a couple of years. I'm I just keep telling the
people why not this year? You know, I feel like
we have enough talent. I think we have enough guys,
you know, enough bench you know, bench players, enough start us,
enough coaches, enough talent in the room to make the playoffs.

(52:17):
Because if you see other teams in yeah, I was like,
you know what, we can't make the playoffs. Yes, but
I think the only thing we need to do is
just first we have to believe it, and we just
have to compete every night. You know, we just cannot
take any night stuff. Just going out there and compete
every night. We know that we're so young and we
are not going to be perfect every time. We're not
gonna win eighty two in a row. But I think

(52:38):
the only thing we can do we just going out
there and compete every night and have fun. Well, definitely
a surprise for most people in the NBA at uh.
Most people thought it was gonna be dark days for
the Knicks, considering mellow leaving and Phil Jackson getting fired
and just all the upheaval that's happened in New York.
But instead people are happy in New York and the
Knicks in the mix, So it's gotta be fun. Definitely.

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We're just trying to say together, man, we know we
we we lost some games, we got ups and downs,
but I think the only thing we can do it
just just together and you know, just can't compete. But
you can't give up a forty six spot in the
fourth quarter to anybody. I mean, I know that I
was gonna cry right after that game, you know, just

(53:22):
my I wasn't told the quarters man, and I want
to cry so bad because like that game was probably
like for me, it was just so important that it
was just I was just so frustrated after the game
was like, okay, but I did not want to see
I didn't want to show my frustration to my teammates
because we need to forget about that game and just
took moving forward. So I was like, Okay, we'll see

(53:44):
him again, you know well, and as we appreciate the
time and before we let you go because we know
you've got the raptors tonight. If Lebron James next summer
said Hey, I'm coming to New York. Would you be
able to forgive him and welcome him with open arms
to the New York Next I will say yes, of course,
because like only only think we were trying to do here,

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just win a championship, and I think it will be
I'll be perfect peace for us. Don't worry about he's
not coming, so you don't have to worry that that
ain't happen. And it's good luck to night against the
raptors and a happy Thanksgiving. We appreciate you, guys, appreciate it. Yes,
enjoy his cancer of the New York Knicks. I like
that guy. I love he got a great sense of

(54:27):
humor too. That it was great. That was a great question. No,
I agree with you. You want to know what It
reminded me of. Remember the scene in Hoosiers when he said,
I want to know what you know, dummy, choose That's
how close he wanted to get. And then the kid
follows out and he looked at the coach and he goes, yeah,

(54:47):
that's that's what I was. That's what I wanted to know.
But apparently it wasn't that bad. If Ennis couldn't get
a whiff. He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I love
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tell him he's wrong. At Rob Parker FS one, I'm
at Dan Buyer on Fox and does a franchise quarterback
actually hurt in NFL team? That answer will surprise you.

(55:09):
We talked about it next year on Fox Sports Radio.
He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer. Glad to have you
with us a day before Thanksgiving. It's interesting because Cal
basketball already starting their Thanksgiving holiday. Cal getting blown out
by Shamanad in the Maui Invitational by twenty eight points. Yes,
as there's under a minute to go. And I've said,

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and I've said it all week Rob on this network
that I love Thanksgiving Week because of the college basketball
that you get and specifically the Maui Invitational. Now this
it's gonna be the last year of the Great Alaskan
shoot Out, but heck Shamanad pulling out what the great
upset was in over Virginia about thirty plus years ago.
But now Shamanad takes on Cal and routes. I'm gonna
win by thirty years. Well, at least cal got some

(55:52):
sunshine out there. That's all that matters, right. They blew
that lead to Wichita States on Monday, and then they're like,
you know what, We're not gonna win it, so let's
just enjoy our our time in Hawaii. It seems like
a good plan. The plan today and the Doug gott
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started today about sixteen games in or show to the
NBA season reaching the quarter mark pretty soon, as as
if it matters because we know which two teams are

(56:34):
gonna be in the NBA Finals, do we not conced?
I've listen, I I don't know if you are going
Warrior Celtics or Warriors Calves. But I have said since
Warriors CA Okay, yeah, that's right, because you and I
have had this conversation. I said, there's no way it's
going to happen. It's not you are not going to
have that. History shows us that you aren't going to

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have that that sort of string. And even though we
had it for the first time last year, of three
times in a row, that things happened during the course
of a season that you can never account for, injuries,
other teams making other moves and matchups, and it's just
not feasible to have a repeat of the finals. Are

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we betting some chicken wings or something? Mr Danner, Let's
bet something, because I'm telling you it's going to Because
the one part that people leave out when you talk
about the Cavaliers is that the big piece that they're
missing from the trade when you give up a Kyrie
Irvan has not played one minute for the team yet. Yeah,
Isaiah Thomas, Okay, So I'm just saying, like I think

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people when they look at the Cavaliers and and they
look at the struggles and whatnot, they are leaving out
that that's a big piece. Would you? Would you admit that?
That's all I'm saying is that when he gets healthy
and they get it all together at the end, they
don't have to be the number one seed. They weren't
the number one seed last year Celtics were, Boston's had

(57:59):
an ice run. Don't get me wrong, I like what
they're doing. Are they gonna get there this year in
a four out of seven with the healthy Cavaliers team
at the end? I don't think so. I'm not saying
that there not eventually going to overtake them, damn, but
not yet. This is the how I feel, and this
is I just I look at it how things play
out in history and how things play out in the

(58:20):
years upon years that heck, you and I have watched
sports and watched different leagues play out. At the end
of the Super Bowl last year, if you were to
make a prediction on who's gonna be in the Super
Bowl the next year, most people would say Patriots and
Falcons because of what they just watched the tight game.
But that's just lazy. That's that's lazy. The same people,
the same But that's lazy to also sit there and think, Okay,

(58:43):
this is just gonna happen again. In the NBA, when
you're playing eight two aging players, you've got different things.
It's just as most different because there's so few players.
That's that's the only reason I say this, Dan, Don't
don't get me wrong. Everybody picked the Cubs and Indians
for the World Series again, all right, go go look
at the preseason all Cubs in Indians. It's gonna be
a repeat. No, it's not the last National League team

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to win back to back World Series, the nineteen seventy
five seventy six Rents. The last American League team to
to win back to back the Yankees. So for people
to pick those two teams again, I'm just saying it doesn't.
It doesn't fit with the model of the game. Not
The NBA is different because there's only three or four

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players that matter. You don't have fifty players. You don't
have to have a starting rotation. And what makes it
different know about what you do have. And we've seen
this in the past. There was a time in the
Western Conference where the Thunder could beat the Spurs, the
Spurs could beat the Grizzlies, and the Grizzlies could beat
the Thunder. So you have this triangle of teams that

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were all near the top of the Western Conference, but
it all mattered on who was gonna match up because
one team wasn't dominant over the other two. You had
one that could beat one team, one that could beat another,
and and so you had this triangle. And then as
the playoffs sorted out, it wasn't that the thunder were
the best team in the West of the Spurs were
the best team in the West. It was who do

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they not have to play to get there? And that's
all I'm saying. I'm not saying that Boston's gonna knock
off Cleveland. I'm just not at the at the at
the matchups and what we've seen with history and what
we've seen with injuries, it just it doesn't play. I
honestly have deja vu. I think on July four, we
had this. We did, we did have a conversation. It
is coming back to me. It is coming back. Yeah,

(01:00:33):
Sweetwater Tavern from Detroit. You know, oh you Sweetwater, I
know it way too well, way too very very good, yes,
very good. Wings You'll you'll send me an order something.
The NFL. We started off the show saying, in the
National Football League is going to be known as the

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Year of the Mismanaged Quarterbacks. And it isn't just in Buffalo.
It seems to be in Cleveland. It seems to be
in Houston, in it seemed to be in Denver, it
seemed to be in Chicago. There are plants. Heck, it
seemed to be in New England. With how they handled
the backup situation in Jimmy Garoppolo status quarterbacks and how
teams handled their signal callers all over the map. And
now as you look at the National Football League, our

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executive producer Ryan Music gave us a list of quarterbacks.
And this quarterback list is very intriguing just for the
simple fact of Ryan put together what he thought his
tier of quarterbacks were, and you have Tier one, Tier two,
and Tier three. But Ryan also put categories with the names,

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and players are with the names of categories. He has
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers as game changers. He has
offensive leaders. He categorized this as Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger,
Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, and Matt Ryan and
then put a group of good quarterbacks as Kirk Cousins,
Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr, and Alex Smith, and

(01:01:58):
then good enough Jared goff, Case Keenum, Dak Prescott, Joe Flacco,
Marcus Mariotta, and then Tyrod Taylor. Then there's everyone else
that that is the grouping that he put. Now, I
may not agree with all of these, but there is something.
There is a there is a theme with all of
this is I look at these quarterbacks and I really

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am starting to feel that in the National Football League
you don't need a franchise quarterback to win a Super Bowl.
And as you look at the way that the NFL
has gone over the last six or seven years, defenses
have been the reason why I'm not going to buy

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it because you're you're throwing out Tom Brady and saying, well,
other than Brady, but you can't say other than Brady, Okay,
So I'm just saying that's the issue what I have
with this, And the other part is it's not just
you can say you gotta have a very special defense,
and I get it. That's how Denver one, right, Peyton

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Manning through four d and twenty yards or whatever was terrible, right,
he barely could get the ball. I get that, and
they won a championship because they had a great defense,
and we can name a couple other teams that have
had great or historically good defenses and have won. But
I still in this league, would take a franchise quarterback
because if you don't have a franchise quarterback, you almost

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have no shot it to compete and have a chance
to win. It's how we think of franchise quarterbacks. That's
the problem. You're gonna have to pay for your guy
no matter what. And the sooner you can pay your quarterback,
the better, because then everybody else is going to have
to pay higher than him. We saw that with Matthew
Stafford's contract that he got from I wouldn't I wouldn't

(01:03:42):
have made that. I wouldn't have signed that deal. But
why did they do it? Because they felt like they
had no other choice. It was he was there the
draft pick, right, he was their draft pick, and people
could talk about and they say, well, where would the
Lions be without them? They'd be in the same place,
which is they can't win a playoff game. They won
one playoff game since ninety seven. They haven't won a division.
Are we ready? They haven't won a division since the

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NFC what it used to be called the Central is
now the North. They haven't won a division since Okay,
so all these years since they turned over the division.
That's ridiculous. I mean just think about that, that they
haven't won a division. So, yes, you could say, whoa, whoa,
you don't want to give up Matthew Stafford, you gonna
start all over or how are you gonna win? You're
not winning with them, So I don't. I don't think

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that it's it's totally about the quarterback. But if you
have a real franchise quarterback Aaron Rodgers, I could make
the case with an onside kick and a couple other plays,
Aaron Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl two
or three more times minimum. Would you agree with me?
They got boat raced in the NFC title game last year.

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There wasn't but they had no defense, right, I got that,
and that's part of it. And that's what they get
the onside kick in Seattle. Do they go to Super Bowl? Yes,
they were right, they won. They should have won that game.
That took the took the pedal off the gas a
little bit. But Drew Brees you could put I think
in the same conversation. I'd even put Breese as a
game changer earlier in his career. There's still just one

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Super Bowl appearance. When you look at teams that have
gotten it done. When the Seahawks won, Russell Wilson wasn't
the Russell Wilson that he is now. Peyton Manning wasn't
the Peyton Manning with the Broncos that he was during
the height of his career. The same thing with Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco was a very good quarterback for the Ravens
when they won that Super Bowl, was able to put
up points against the forty defense. None of us are

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saying Joe Flacco is a franchise quarterback. I think that
the onus is on these teams to build an entire
team around a quarterback that is good enough, and we
are starting to see that. At least, I don't want
my team to have a quarterback that's not good enough,
because most of the time the defenses you're talking about
come once in a blue moon or every so often.

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It doesn't happen like that that Baltimore Ravens defense when
Marvin Lewis was in charge and and they won, or
or the Tampa Bay defense that beat the number one
rated offense with the Raiders in that Super Bowl. Remember
that they they scored more points that they the Tampa
Bay's defense than the radios. I mean those are once
in bred Johnson, right? What right? Those are once in

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the lifetime teams. Those on the norm How can you
say that they're once in a lifetime when we've just
named five of them in the last year years five
years of a lifetime. I'm giving you a half a
decade of success with those Giants teams. And Eli Manning,
who was good enough to win a supernowl but Eli

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many made big throws and won those Super Bowls. He
was the m v P two defense, weren't weren't the
m vps of that. The fascination of getting Aaron Rodgers
more help is ridiculous because Aaron Rodgers needs help on
the defensive side, so he doesn't have to beat Aaron
Rodgers the whole time. That's how the NFL is now.
We asked Mark Slareth yesterday, how do you build a team?
If you're gonna build a team? Said it simple. I

(01:06:55):
agreed with him, have agreed for years. Inside out, you
fortify your defensive on you for the buy your offensive line.
Everything works out here. The quest to find this franchise
quarterback that's gonna lead you Jacksonville is over with Jacksonville
Jaguars haven't had had given up and I haven't seen
what they did, uh the exact points, but they allowed

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the fewest points in the NFL. Are they win in
the Super Bowl with the with their quarterball? Are they
gonna win because because they built the d because Blake
Bortles isn't any good enough Canada, he's in the office.
They got a great defense. They have a great defense.
All he has to be is in the top twenty.
If you put case Keenum on the Minnesota or on
the Jacksonville Jaguars, Minnesota got a great defense. Minnesota they

(01:07:39):
win in the Super Bowl rain too. They according to
your formula a court, Are you out? Are you ready
to step out and tell me that the Minnesota Vikings
are gonna win the Super Bowl? Well, they're gonna be
in contention the same recipe. Are they with the Minnesota Vikings? No,
they don't, because you gotta wins in a lifetime. Quarterback
who in at the top of his game anymore, he's

(01:08:01):
handing off to mark Ingram and throwing dump passes to
Alvin kamaraon watching him on twenty yards for touch. Did
you watch the game on the Sunday nights, Yes, I did.
They were nothing in the second half. Yeah, with that,
with that great defensive shutting down Dallas and offensive line's
still missing your left tackling, you understand that. Still it's

(01:08:21):
the formula. This obsession with quarterback is ruining team. But
you won't commit and say that these teams that you're
so enamored by and think that that's the way to go.
You're not willing to step out on the ledge and
tell me that Minnesota or Jacksonville is gonna win a
Super Bowl because there are same teams with the same
you know what, I'll tell you who's gonna win the

(01:08:42):
Super Bowl right after we get an update of what's
happening around the world of sports tea. I'm just telling me.
I'm telling you, Isaac's gonna Isaac. Can you shut down? Dan?
Just shut down? Interesting you should mention that because our
top story people all for America right now, thanking Dan
Buyer and Rob Parker for preparing them to listen to

(01:09:04):
their relatives arguing tomorrow during Thanksgiving dinner, a ton of
NFL news to get to while Dan and Rob good
to Neutral Corners San Francisco for the United's head coach
Kyle Shanahan said a short time ago that c. J.
Bethord will start this Sunday against the Seahawks, not Jimmy
Garoppolo Elsewhere. After Nathan Peterman's disastrous performance against the Charges,

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Tyrod Taylor will reassume the Bills starting quarterback job for
Sunday's game against the Chiefs. Here's the audio of Buffalo
head coach Sean McDermott announcing the change earlier today. My
fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over coops. Wrong button.
That was actually President Ford speaking right after President Nixon

(01:09:46):
resigned because of Watergate, oddly fitting the Bill's quarterback situation though. Meanwhile,
here's actual audio from Denver Broncos head coach Vance Joseph
just a short time ago, speaking publicly for the first
time about his decision to start Paxton Lynch at quarterback
Sunday against the Raiders, and Joseph did not sound particularly
enthusiastic about it. Listen to change what's happened offensively, so

(01:10:10):
it's simply his term. You know, we um also change
coordinators on Monday, and we're hoping to again, guys, um,
you know, play better offensively. And I turned over. Even
Jay Cutler thought that that didn't sound enthusiastic. Finally, Dan
and Rob Adam Schefter just reporting that the Lions have
claimed veteran defensive lineman Dwight Freeney off of waivers. He was,
of course released yesterday by the Seahawks. Are you guys

(01:10:32):
ready to go back at it? An opportunity for the
Lions to improve their defense because they know that's how
you get to a S and you go pick up
somebody that nobody else wants. Typical lines move and it
won't work out because that's what they do. I have
twenty three years of following that team and covering that team,
and they always are a day late and a dollar short.

(01:10:55):
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(01:11:16):
of the load. Yes, okay, who and just for a refresher,
who is the loads and what does the loads stand?
Tom Brady is the load not to go the luckiest
of all time. I'm not saying that Tom Brady is
not a great quarterback, but his career has been nothing
but lucky, starting from the first Super Bowl, which they
were able to get after he fumbled the ball against

(01:11:39):
the Raiders and got the ball back tuck rule, right,
he fumbled and lost the football. Okay, and then I
could go to well that's Super Bowl. They beat the
Rams thanks to well their defense, defense and they gotta
and they gotta field goal right. And then when they
beat Carolina, I think their kicker kick the ball out

(01:12:00):
of bounds, remember that, and they started they started another
lucky break. Right here you are. You kicked the ball
out of bounds. Uh. The Seattle, the Seattle Championship. Uh Seattle.
They got beast mode right there. He rushed for over
a hundred and twenty somebod yards. He had just rushed
you fifteen yards to get you to the half yard lid.

(01:12:21):
You got the best running back in the league. Right,
run the ball, run the ball in right? Whatever? What
what I mean? You know, I don't know. And then
start to clear you don't need a franchise quarterback with
and then Atlanta's up to three with two and a
half minute to go, and here's probably the worst thing

(01:12:43):
in the world. Your quarterback throws a great pass and
a great catch by Julio Jones first and ten at
the two. You're up by eight. All you need is
a field goal to go up by eleven. The Super
bowls over. If you get the field goal, what do
they do? Instead of they it a kneel down three
straight times, kick the field goal up our leven ball game,

(01:13:05):
They mishandled it. They go back for a pass you
would never pass it as a sacked, as a whole thing.
They get out of field goal range, give the ball
back to Tom Brady, and we know what happened after
all that. Okay, So this whole notion that you don't
need a franchise quarterback, I'll never buy into it. You
need a franchise quarterback to win. I am telling you.

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In today's day and age, the focus and the desire.
When you're the Los Angeles Rams, the hope was that
Jared Goff would be your franchise quarterback when you took
him first. Overall, Jared Goff is having a great second
season after an abysmal rookie season. Jared Goff just has
to be a really good quarterback or a good quarterback

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over the next ten years in the Rams will have success.
And it's the same thing with any of these other teams.
And when you look at the NFC, specifically, the Vikings
built on defense, the Eagles better on defense, great on
defense this year. That puts him in the picture. We
know what wins. You're saying that he doesn't matter. You're saying,

(01:14:10):
I'm saying that the reason that Carson Wentz he is
a good quarterback. But if the Eagles didn't have a defense,
he's gonna win the m v P in the league. Yeah,
because they have the best record right now and they
know he's played very well. Look at his red zone,
look at what he's done. He's very good. And I
like the Egos to win the division, but they are

(01:14:32):
a whole team. And I look at the New Orleans
Saints that I just in the Saints are the what
I'm asking you, step out there. Who's going to win
the championship? Give me the team that has built on
your premise that's gonna win. You refuse to say that.
I'll sit here all day. I'll wait. I could, I could,
I could give you the Vikings. No, but you're not
giving me you It doesn't matter on what the point? No,

(01:14:55):
I'm asking you because I'm telling you your your formula
is not going to win the Super Bowl. Okay, then
who's gonna go? From the NFC? Who's gonna go? Yes,
I think the Saints, Vikings and Eagles. To me, I
got the Eagles. I can see the Eagles going and uh,
the Patriots will get upset in the Egg. And if

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it's Pittsburgh, Ben Roethlisberger isn't the Ben Roethlisberger that we
have seen you've been running the ball. Defense is more
of a Ben don't break defense. I'll give up some yards,
but you have a tough time getting in the end zone.
It's just it's a different NFL. You could say whatever
you want, but they'll still be I mean it could be.
It could be Whence and and and uh Ben Roethlisberger.

(01:15:40):
So so that that's not it doesn't. It's still quarterbacks
right now. Yeah, but it's still it still doesn't add
up to your formula. They're good, but then Aaron Rodgers
obviously out with his collar, but he's injured, and we
gotta we gotta tweet in. And I know that that
we've got to run for a sec, but we gotta
tweet in from Brian, who says the Packers deserve at
least honorable mention because of their bad quarter situation. With

(01:16:01):
a veteran backup, they would have been There's no way,
there is no way that happens. In fact, we can't
even find five good backups in the NFL. Seems to
be that case. Keenom is the only good backup. Colin
kaepern Nick is better than the guy that they have
in Green Bay Huntley. Yeah, no, correct. So if the
Packers were serious about winning, which they showed me this

(01:16:23):
year that the Packers aren't serious about winning, and it's
about making an example of someone. And that's why I'm
glad the Packers are bad. I'm glad that Miami's bad.
I'm glad that all these teams that decided that they
don't want to win and they'd rather make an example
of somebody. I'm glad that they're suffering. I'm glad they
won't make the playoffs because whenever you start playing politics

(01:16:48):
instead of talking about trying to win football games, this
is what happens. And that's why these teams are in
the places that they're in, because the one thing that
always made sports great, Dan, is that it's an equal
playing field and the best guy should get the job.
That's the only place in this country where where that
always was the case, no matter what, because it wouldn't

(01:17:11):
be the case that you have a country that seventy
five black in the NFL that's seventy I mean seventy
five white and the NFL at seventy black. Right, Yeah,
I gotta be the best man, right, It's not based
on anything else other than that. Correct. Once we got
away from that, that's why you have what you have.
He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer. Can me the Saints
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Week twelve tomorrow with three games and then a full slate.
It's the first week now that we have all the
teams back in action since the by started. Rob. The

(01:18:18):
Kansas City Chiefs are going up against the Buffalo Bills.
The Bills making news earlier today saying that Tyrod Taylor
will be their starting quarterback for that game. There's breaking
news now on the opposite Sidebark breaking news from Fox
Sports and is as the latest. The Kansas City Chiefs
have just announced the signing of free agent cornerback Durrell Res.

(01:18:43):
He played last season for the Jets chiefs head coach
Andy Reid said in a statement, quote, he has experience
and familiarity with Bob Sutton's defense. He's a team guy,
and we feel like a player of his caliber can
help our football team. Unquote. He will be the first
player in NFL history to get a paycheck, so security
check and retirement pension check all in the same season.

(01:19:04):
Very nice with the old guys. What are you doing?
They just need they need something to show up. Their
schedule is actually pretty easy over the next five weeks,
so they'll get acclimated and they'll need him for the playoffs.
Do you know that they Barry got hurt in week one?
Was it weak? So now you realize what is it?
Because you're reeling and and you school couldn't couldn't score

(01:19:25):
a touchdown against the pathetic Giants, So you go out
and get defensive help. Is that what it is? If
you think that's bad, I just don't get these teams.
If you think that's bad, wait till you hear what
was said earlier. Now, not to steer you off of
Rivas Island, but there's alonzo ball news. According to Skip Bayliss,
they should be extremely encouraged because I actually stayed up

(01:19:48):
and watched this entire game, and as usual, I saw
flashes of brilliance from from Alonzo Ball. He can do
things nobody else can do, especially at six ft seven
inches tall. And I'm gonna remind you that he's now
the first rookie since this guy named Magic Johnson to
have back to back thirteen plus rebound games, because he
had sixteen in the triple double and now he had

(01:20:10):
thirteen last night. That's extraordinary for a point guard. Alonzo
Ball last night against the Bulls had eight points, thirteen rebounds,
and four I was at the game at the Staples Center.
I was there and watched it, and I don't think
it's fair when he gets when he gets credit for
all these are rebounds, because you're getting your own missus.
So I don't think that that shi me a half

(01:20:35):
had a had a curve three for he gets he
gets his own Mrs. Half of the rebounds you're talking
about came from his own shot. There is not buying it.
There is something too weird rebounds and like you're used
to away that a shot is gonna come off the rim.
Sometimes with Alonso it's not like that. I can't believe
we're praising a guy after a three for thirteen nights.

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That's that's a skip. Is all on on board with Lonzo?
I get it. You heard Shennon in the background. Shed
is not buying into that. The kid has been a
bust up to this point. While the people want to
acknowledge it. I'm not saying he's a butt for his career,
but to this point we got sold a bill of goods.
He's not the guy Dan that they said he was
gonna be. The hype was too big for Lonzo Ball

(01:21:20):
and there's no one to blame except everybody else. What
about on Wednesday of the day before Thanksgivings selling Rob
the Cranberry's already off the shelves and the supermarkets as
of last night. So if you haven't gotten your start,
your way behind and I'd start well right after this show.
I think that's the best way. There's only one thing
I'm looking forward to tomorrow, and I'm I've been on

(01:21:42):
a little diet, just not eating a lot of sweet stuff.
But I'm going to have a piece of sweet potato
pie tomorrow. You know what I mean? I just I
am and you know it. Has always been this debate
eat about sweep potato pie and pumpkin pie. Pumpkin pie

(01:22:05):
is disgusting. Sweet potato pie is delicious. It's not even close, Dann.
Pumpkin pie doesn't have any taste to it. I would go,
I would go with pumpkin pie over sweet potato pipe.
You ever had a good sweet potato pie? Apparently not?
Apparently not if I'm choosing pumpkin pie. Let's break the

(01:22:25):
tie with our Fox NFL insider Jay Glazer. Could you
break the tie between pumpkin pie and sweep potato pie?
J Between Rob and myself on a Thanksgiving I would say,
you gotta go sweepotato. Jay is my guy from New York. Jay,
you know what I'm talking about, right, sweep potato pie
and then you gotta put the marshmallows in and all

(01:22:47):
that it is delicious. Yes, Okay, I can totally go
for that. That that is it is? Yeah, my own
Thanksgiving tradition. By the way, what's that? Every year for
since I've been in this league, in somebody will say

(01:23:09):
to me, hey, do you guys celebrate Thanskgiving? And I'll go,
what do you mean? You guys like white people. No, No,
you know dudes, you know I'm American, right, I am American.
So now as a result of this, stray hand will
ask me every year just in case somebody doesn't. He
wants to fill in the blanks. So now we're twenty

(01:23:30):
five years and running, which somebody will literally ask me,
do you guys celebrate than to you? And I'm like,
I am American. That is that is unbelievable. Like they
think it's everybody think it's a religious holiday. It's fantastic.
You know, I get offended. No, I don't get offended.
That's crazy. That that's hey, dude, it's every year and

(01:23:52):
it's the people you wouldn't even think like, I'm American, dude. Yes, yes,
that is that is spectacular. J Glazier joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio on the Doug gott Leap Show.
He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug today.
I know there was just breaking news with Durrell Reeves
and we've got the Bill's quarterback situation. Jay, but I
want to I want to quickly just go back to

(01:24:13):
what we saw Monday night in the Seattle Seahawks. Is
this a team that can they overcome the injuries that
they have now suffered on the back end of that
defense after losing a shootout to the Falcons on Monday, Well,
it's gonna be an uphill battle because that was their
identity and you lose a lot of guys in your identity,
you know, you've got to somehow reinvent yourself in the
middle of the season. And that's what the Packers are

(01:24:34):
going through. They're so used to Aaron Rodgers just kind
of improvised and belling them out. Now they realized, well,
we have to kind of go back to being a
regular team and play like everybody else does an excel
that way? Do you almost have to reinvent yourself of yeah,
we're not the legion of Boom, So who are we
gonna be if we're gonna win? And you can't find
that answer in a week? What about kin Seattle? Can

(01:24:58):
they survive the coach and the pe Carol's moves that
uh Pete has done recently or whatever? I don't know,
did you did you think he's always done it? He's
always done it. Didn't work out this time, but he's
done some other stuff in the past, and people like,
oh my gosh, it's fantastic, So hey, you got The
Seahawks have been extremely successful other Josh Snyder, Pete Carroll,

(01:25:19):
and there's been a lot of bone headed stuff and
a lot of them have worked out it. Some happens,
so you gotta take to do with bad with him
that I guess they'll go by. The way was wide open.
If they just blocked Grady Jarrett, it would Luke Wilson
would have walked in for a touchdown. And No, I
got you. But I just given that Super Bowl call.
I still can't get over it. I just can't shake. Yeah,
but you can't. You can't. You can't. One doesn't equate

(01:25:42):
to the other. No, n you can't. You can't. You
can't tie every questionable call into that. No, I know.
I just can't get it out of my head. That's all.
The Seahawks have the Niners coming up? How do you
think Field? The Seahawks have the Niners coming up on Sunday,
And it was announced today C J. Bethar is gonna
start what is their plan with Jimmy Garoppolo's which actually

(01:26:05):
wasn't The plan plan was to take the week off
and have you a Garoppolo start um. But I think
they're looking at it also now and again I've at
the last I knew that was the plan, and they
wanted to get Stanley back, and you know, they wanted
to have him under under the Bye and all that stuff.
But they are looking at him long term. So if
they're looking at at him saying, you know what, let's

(01:26:25):
not put him out there in a position where he's
just gonna, you know, kind of run for his life.
And you know, Beethor did a good job there against
a bad Giants team. Um, so I know that. Look,
they're looking at Garoppolo like he is the long term
answer their franchise. But obviously something happened to Bye week

(01:26:46):
where they said to themselves, uh, you know, let's wait
a little bit longer, or let's just make sure he
has everything down so he doesn't get shell shocked out there.
What's going on in Buffalo? Please help me to understand,
is this just started out as something financial with Tiwa
Taylor and now they just realize, oh, it's not it's
not that people kind of figured him out. I think

(01:27:07):
I think people figure tire And here's the deal, Tyrod
Taylor from what opponents that that you know, people who
played against him. I said, if you keep him in
the pocket, he is completely different and you're really able
to contain him. But it's not only that. If you
keep in the pocket, he's kind of predictable where he's
gonna go with the ball when he runs. He could
throw it anywhere. So guys started saying, you know what,

(01:27:29):
let's rush him, but not rush him. It's kind of
rush him, but make him just stay there. And then
for the most part he just throws outside the numbers,
not in, and you know it, it just became he became,
you know, predictable. So they started hot, but then he
just kind of gotten a thing where he's predictable. So
you know, they went with Peterman, but obviously he wasn't

(01:27:49):
ready for prime time either, so you know, I think
now it's just a messy situation. What they need to
do is self scout with tyro Telego. All right, you
have the skill set, it you were doing. Well, what
do we have to do to because people now kind
of caught up to you a little bit, what do
we have to do to get people of children with you? Now?
But isn't that coaching If that's the case, Rather than

(01:28:10):
just going to another guy. Why can't you you just
explained it. Why couldn't they explain that to him and
tell him exactly what framework he has to be able
to operate in. I don't understand that, Jay, because it's
not just telling them. Then they got to coach him
and yeah, he's got you gotta change some things. Again,
it doesn't nap it overnight, or maybe they wanted to
pull him out work on those things, let him correct it,

(01:28:30):
and you know, again, I don't know if that's your plan,
but you can't just tell a guy. You gotta actually
you gotta work on it, you know, So in the
meantime you almost gotta pull him out. Yeah, let him
work on it, work on it, work on it, you know.
Off Shepardly Fox Sports NFL and enter j Glazer joining
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Rob Parker,
I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug today. What is the

(01:28:52):
thinking with the Kansas City Chiefs with the bringing in
of Darrell Reeves. I mean, we we touched on how
Eric Barry was lost earlier on in the season in
that back end of the secondary. Is he going to
be playing more safety for them. What is the role
of Revis and why did the Chiefs bring him in? Dude,
they just signed him ten minutes ago. Were you surprised
that he signed him? And then you called me? So

(01:29:14):
I don't know were you were you surprised that he's
playing this season? No, I think as the season goes on,
you see guys. I mean look, you know, uh, Freeney
gets cut to in the Detroit claims him. You know,
if at this time of the year, there's always been
in the past teams looking for some sort of veteran help,
you know, down the stretch, especially if you have a

(01:29:36):
vet who you think is in shape, they can come
in there. And who did it? Oh yeah, I think
it was Freeney with with the Cardinals a couple of
years ago, you know, and you know you could you
can get some help there. When gods are beat up
and you're bringing in a vet. It may give you
a boost, it may not, but it doesn't help. But
it doesn't hurt him to give it a shot. J
Glazer at Fox NFL Insider. We did the NFL preview

(01:29:59):
show and if I can recall back then, Uh, you
liked what the Eagles were doing. He's surprised with how
good it has gone these first eleven weeks of the season. Well,
any times that so many dominates like that, Yeah, I'm
not surprised that Carson wentz. I'm not surprised to hit him,
you know. And I said that since he was dressed
the first year of draft, I loved once because because

(01:30:21):
I knew, you know, how much, um what his work
ethic was, and I knew that this guy would. You know,
the big thing is, guys coming out of college, you
only have six hours or four hours to work on
their craft. Now, all of a sudden, you get twenty
four hours a day. What are you gonna do with
that time? And I just known Carson and doing a
little that I did with him, I knew that this
guy was gonna work, and he was gonna just he

(01:30:45):
was just gonna be enough of a football junkie, so
I thought. And it's interesting because nowadays, and Tom Brady
and I talked about this in camp, it's almost easier
to succeed if you have this great work ethic. And
that's why it's easier for Tom now he has such
a ridiculous work ethic. Guys who come in these don't
have that work ethic. I'm sorry, but the millennials don't.
They don't. It's like, you know, they're all famous and rich,

(01:31:07):
and they think that, you know, being famous is being great.
It's not the same thing. No, don't have this work
ethic that the older guys had where you know, older guys, man,
they had a buster but just to hope to make
the Pro Bowl that people notice them. Two different two
different breeds. There's no doubt about it on that. What
about the NFC North, who you got Minnesota the Lions.

(01:31:28):
Some people believe that the Lions have a easier schedule.
I know they play on Thanksgiving Day tomorrow, but who
do you like in that division to win? I like Minnesota.
I mean Minnesota has a franchise quarterback and just sitting
there as a backup. They're playing so well. So plus
the way their defense is is you know the concern
they had as male defense is tough. Um. But we're

(01:31:49):
gonna make sure they don't get complacent. And not only
is I'm not gotten complacent. They have acted like man,
people think we're dead last in the league in defense.
That's how they play. I gotta what you're doing. Yeah,
I like what they're doing too, and it'll be if
they win the more in Detroit that'll ye Devantage one
of their losses from earlier this year. Jay, have a
great thanksgiving us. We appreciate the time and we'll do

(01:32:12):
it against Thanks Jay Glazer, Fox Sports NFL in Centered,
giving us the latest of what's happening around the name.
I hate to tell you how long I've known Jay,
but this goes back to our New York days when
he was he worked at the New York Post and
I worked for the Daily News. And I'm talking about
thirty years ago. I've known him not long. Yeah, was
there a rival basketball game that you guys played in

(01:32:34):
where the papers got together? We used to we had.
I played in the New York Press League, softball league
in Central Park. I played in the New York UH
Bowling League, which used to be ready on the top
of Madison Square Going. They had like a forty eight
lane bowling so you actually bowled at Madison Square going

(01:32:55):
at the very top. It was awesome. The Central Park
Softball League was awesome. I mean, those are the things
that I did in my early career. UH earlier on.
U still remember that you're playing what everybody you know
who's the movies and shakers at the paper. Well, it's
like the bowling league we have here with Fox Sports Radio.
Everybody at Fox Sports Radio gets together and goes bowling.
We haven't seen you there. No, I don't even know

(01:33:16):
if I'm just kidding. We don't have a league. We
don't even we don't even hang out after. I'm looking
at that, going what what about my balls in the car?
Nobody told there is a race to leave the studio.
I can't get a kid. Yeah, everybody just wants to leave.
Everyone else of old didn't count. You knocked him over

(01:33:39):
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(01:34:24):
doing some writing. And you have now written back to
Joe Morgan with his letter to the Baseball Writers Association
of America is saying keep the steroid players out of
the Hall of Fame. The current Hall of famers don't
want them there. You have now responded to Joe Morgan's
I guess request to you a member of the Baseball

(01:34:45):
Writers Association of America. Absolutely. I got the letter in
my email yesterday and was you know, so Joe Morgan's
name attached to it. Was curious started reading it and
basically that letter should have been uh titled keep Bonds
and Roger Clemens out of the Hall of Fame, because
that's the way it really came across. He's talking about

(01:35:05):
keeping steroid users, but we already have some suspected or
known whatever you want to say, guys already in Pudge
got in his first try. Pudge is a guy that
Jose Canseco and that book wind up being true more
than anything. Would you agree with that? Like, I mean,
he exposed a lot of stuff came from that book,
naming names. And also the one thing I respected about

(01:35:28):
that book was it wasn't about players that he didn't
play with. They were all his former teammates that he
said he personally injected, and none of those guys Dan
followed the lawsuit against I'm just saying someone was to
put out something against you that could damage your name

(01:35:53):
and your legacy, you would fight that tooth and nail.
Am I not right? Here's the thing when it tells
you about something, but here's when it comes to courts.
If you make something in a court case, there may
be other things in your life that you don't want,
no doubt about it, you don't. But I'm just so
that that that comes to part of it where somebody
would say, well, if we go after him for this,

(01:36:16):
this is going to be exposed. I don't even saying
it's like a pe d or just just something or
maybe maybe might find out emails and stuff that they
where they got stuff there could I remember the story
Al Jazeera and Peyton Manning. Remember that story yes, okay.
So the first person he hired was who Ari Fleischer,
who's a pr not lawyer to fight your name, but

(01:36:41):
a guy who cleans up messes. Right. So that told
me right then and there where he was going on
that he wasn't going to challenge anyone goes to Al Jazeera,
because then you have to open up and expose his emails,
his packages that came to his house, and all kinds
of whatever whatever else could be discovering whatever else could
be out there. And that's the rob where it gets tricky.
And if I'm somebody who in this specific case of

(01:37:03):
Pudge Rodriguez and Jose Canseco, I'm gonna say, you know what,
I'm going to risk that the public understands the source
that has been known to be um a fib or.
I think I think he was more truthful than anything.
I thought that book was really strong. It opened up
the whole thing with baseball. We know. But anyway, let

(01:37:23):
me get back to Joe Morgan. So we so, so
let me get back to Joe Morgan. Joe Morrigan is
a day late and a dollar short, because basically, there
are guys who are already under suspicion and basically this
letter was about Bonds and Clements. Their numbers with the
writers have gone up over the years from where they
first started four or five years ago. Right they started

(01:37:45):
out at like thirty percent. Where are they now? Bonds
received fifty three point eight percent, Clements fifty four point
so they were on their way towards seventy five. And
I think more and more writers are now deciding that
it wasn't just those two. How fair is it for
us to to take the law quote unquote in our
own hands. When Major League Baseball go to their record book,

(01:38:09):
Barry Bonds is the all time home runking, Roger Clements
has seven side youngs. Those are just the facts that
Baseball acknowledges. So for you to decide to take matags
into your own hand, and and and and dish out
punishment based on what you believe, even though you don't,
Baseball still keeps those things. And the other part that

(01:38:29):
Joe Morgan doesn't mention is he's not asking for the
Yankees or Red Sox and those teams to give up
their World Series because they have players. The Red Sox
had many Ramira's and Big Poppy Well to go with
everything that you've said, you want to know what bothers
me the most, And it's not even the the you.
It's not the this is our Hall of Fame. It's

(01:38:52):
the letter to the Baseball Writers Association of America that
you guys or get and gals can't figure it out
for yourself and can't think for your shelf, and you
can't think constructively, and that seems to me is a
huge disrespect for what you guys do and take very seriously.
I mean, I know that the football writers when they
try to figure out the Hall of Fame, the debates

(01:39:13):
that go on, and how people get heated and worked
up because they put so much into it. It's very
important to writers to have a player come in and say,
you know what, guys, some of you haven't been doing
your job. We don't like it here. You guys should
shape up. That's how I take the letter. That's what
I think is off. And you will admit this. The
Baseball Hall of Fame is the hardest hall of fame

(01:39:35):
to get in. It is extremely hard. There's a lot
of very very good players who don't make it in.
That's what makes the place special. It shouldn't be if
if I if I have to debate your numbers and
what you've done to me, you're not a Hall of Famer.
If I say to you, Hank Aaron, you're gonna debate me,
there's no debate. Mickey Mantell, there's no debate, Babe Ruth.

(01:39:57):
That's what the Hall of Fame should be, not like
uh Fred McGriff well, maybe do you have no No
one got in right because they weren't anybody worthy. People
on you every single year now and I love it
because the NFL. I always say this. If you put

(01:40:19):
Marv Levy lost four straight Super Bowls, that's dubious to me.
So if you put him in the Hall of Fame,
where do you put a guy on a Super Bowl
if he makes How could you how could you keep
any coach out of the Hall of Fame? If you
put a guy was a four time loser, that to
me is not a Hall of Famer. Some people argue, well,

(01:40:40):
but he got there. No, that's not pro sports as
a short menu wins losses. You should celebrate the people
who win and who put up the best numbers you've
seen that period. Stop with the nice guy. He's a
good father. He's just No, that's not what it's about.
It's about the best players in the game. And if

(01:41:02):
we have to have a debate and argument for thirty
minutes over somebody, I'm telling you they're not a Hall
of Fame. And that's why I agree when we talk
about quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers, you have to win, you
have to go. He's only gone once. That's why when
you're building a team, age bringing it back. And I'm
when you're talking about building a team, you've got to build.

(01:41:24):
You need a good. You need a good you need
can't be better than one of you just told me
an hour ago that Aaron Rodgers should get credit and
all quarterbacks should get credit for getting there getting No, no, no, no, no,
I'm just saying Scott Norwoo's kick goes through the through
the uprights, Marvel leaves a Hall of Famer. I'm saying.

(01:41:45):
I'm saying that. But he lost four straight. I'm just
saying he lost four straight, and the celebrating losing and
Aaron Rodgers case, No, he didn't. He didn't get to
the super Bowl, O gus, I'm not saying he should
get credit for those No, they didn't make it. Their
team wasn't good enough of things. But I'm not saying
when I look at Aaron Rodgers, he has everything. He
has great regular season, he has the best cute quarterback

(01:42:08):
rating in the history of quarterbacks. He has the best
touchdown the interception ratio, and you know what to boot,
he did win it all. That's where you look at
a guy. I would take people rip Eli Manning all
the time. I would take Eli Manning's two super Bowls
and all those bad regular seasons over a guy who's
great with the regular season and never won a super Bowl.

(01:42:29):
I would take Eli Manning any day in a week.
But with Rogers. This is why this is where the
conversation comes. And it's not to rip Aaron Rodgers and
Rogers you're from Wisconsin, not at all, Not at all.
I am saying that it's the lack of attention that
Green Bay and other organ to do put on on
the defensive side of the ball, and this obsession to

(01:42:51):
go after franchise quarterbacks is where it all starts. Well,
you try to cheat because he's so good. You try
to cheat and not do the other things that you
need because he's that good. And I think that's what
you're talking about the Packers white like they don't sign
free they don't sign a lot of free agents. They
don't do Tom Brady has never had playing the game,

(01:43:14):
I think, or where they've given up forty m forty
four or more points. Aaron Rodgers has been in four
playoff games. What have defense has given up forty You
see what I'm saying, what he's dealing with. Yeah, I
and I think that if you look at how the
NFL has been, and I want to go back to
really of what is the late eighties and not mid eighties,

(01:43:35):
because the greatest defense of all time that we always
go to is the eighty five Bears who won Super
Bowl twenty with a okay quarterback in Jim McMahon. He
was good enough to run an offense. But with that defense,
maybe you and I could have and I was eight
years old at that time, maybe we could have won
a Super Bowl. But when you look at the Montanas,
when you look at the l Ways, and you look
at the runs that those quarterbacks made during that time,

(01:43:59):
there is a lot of thinking like these are the
You've got to find that next quarterback. And then maybe
even as you went through the nineties and you still
had Elway in the later part of his career, and
Brett farve that these guys are the ones that are
going to carry you to the super Bowl. All of
those teams had respectable defenses. You brought up the Buccaneers
Raiders Super Bowl where the Buccaneers one defense against the

(01:44:21):
number one offense and the defense dominated. And this has
just been a theme of mind when I look at
these these It's not about getting a good backup quarterback
in Green Bay because the defense wasn't good enough to
carry them. It's not about finding that backup guy that
in case the quarterback goes down. What it is is
during the season, not be infatuated, infatuated that your franchise

(01:44:43):
quarterback has all the weapons that he needs. His weapons
need to be on the other side of the ball.
You need to build a defense so your quarterback is good.
You don't shouldn't need to rely on Aaron Rodgers to
have to be this weekend and week out. Your defense
should be doing enough and your franchise should be doing
enough that Aaron Rodgers doesn't have to sit there and
save you every single week. I agree, I hear what

(01:45:03):
you're saying, But the other part that you're leaving out,
and I get it. It's a business as well, and
you can't sell people tickets on defense, and you just can't.
You can talk about winning, you could sell as a
whole if you're good enough and you win, but you
can't sell defensive tickets. People don't pay for that. They
want the best quarterback. They want your team to have

(01:45:24):
a guy or who they can perceive as a stud
or a guy who can win it and make the
big plays or whatever. And that's another part of it
why it's so imperative to have that guy that they feel.
That's why, that's why the Jacksonville Jaguars played three games
a year on the moon because they Bartles Blake. They
just they can't. They can't sell that well. They can

(01:45:48):
sell seven and three, just like the Rams will sell. No,
they don't now. But I'll tell you what. If they
are in the playoff and making a playoff push in
week sixteen and seventeen, you're gonna see the e d
to ninety thousand that you saw last year when they
were the new team in town. He's Rob Barker, I'm
Dan Buyer. Where the new team right now is We're
in for Doug Gottlieb. We throw it over to where

(01:46:09):
good buddy Isaac Lowenkron, who's got a whole bunch of
news from the NFL. Old faces and new places, and
old faces and old places. I guess you could say Isaac,
all of them seven time Pro Bowlers, as it turns out.
Starting with the Kansas City Chiefs, they've signed free agents
seven time Pro Bowl cornerback Darrell Rivas, who last played

(01:46:32):
last season with the New York Jets. He's reunited with
his one time defensive coordinator with the Jets, Bob Sutton,
who's now the defensive coordinator at Kansas City. The Chiefs
at six and four, host Buffalo this Sunday. Speaking of
the Bills, they announced today that Tyrod Taylor will reassume
their starting quarterback job. No word yet on whether Durrell

(01:46:52):
Rievas signed with the Chiefs because he thought he'd get
to face Nathan Peterman on Sunday instead to soon anyway.
The Detroit Lions have been awarded seven time Pro Bowled
defensive end Dwight Freeney via waivers from the Seattle Seahawks.
The thirty seven year old Freeney is in his sixteenth
NFL season the six and four Vikings. The six and

(01:47:14):
four Lions rather will be hosting the Vikings tomorrow. Forty
Niners head coach Kyle Shanahan's as C J. Bethord will
start this Sunday against the Seahawks, not Jimmy Garoppolo NBA.
The Golden State Warriors say Kevin Durant is probable for
Tonight's game at Oklahoma City despite a left ankle spring.
They tip off about two and a half hours from now.
Milwaukee head coach Jason Kidd said today that janis Antea

(01:47:36):
Kumpo will not play tonight against Phoenix because of right
and knees soreness. And finally, guys Adrian war Danowski reports
the Clippers point guard Patrick Beverly had surgery on his
right knee today and has expected is expected to miss
a significant amount of time. Let the arguing resume, Dan
and Rob. I'm loving this. It's Thanksgiving. We're gonna be nice,

(01:47:56):
just like the NBA does. They give everybody off on Thanksgiving.
Don't have to go in the like. Clippers having their
own issues lost nine in a row now have lost
their point guard because of knee surgery. He's Rob Parker.
I'm Dan Buyer. They sees the Doug gott Leaves shows.
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(01:48:19):
Usually on Fridays, Doug dives in and gives his five
for five, five picks in the NFL and five picks
in college. Well, we could save the college for another day.
Maybe we'll do it tomorrow together. Yeah, with with three
games on Thanksgiving, we cannot waste an opportunity to dive
in into our five for five a little bit. Well,

(01:48:41):
we got him five NFL five college. It's five for
five with Doug Gottlan. Let's go five. So Robin myself
will give you five winners in the National Football League
each as we start out, we'll alternate. Okay, we'll go back.
I'll give one, you give one sound you like of

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who you like in a full sixteen game schedule, as
there are no longer buys in NFL regular season. I'm
gonna start on Thanksgiving Day, and I know you're a
Detroit guy. We talked about the history of the Lions,
and I there's a part of me that really really
wants to pick the Lions that just don't have a
great feeling about it. So I'm gonna stay away, and
I'm gonna move to Dallas, where I like the Chargers

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to cover the two point line over the Dallas Cowboys.
Two teams going in opposite directions. Even if Tyron Smith
plays for Dallas on Sunday, it only or on Thursday,
it will only shut down one side of that Chargers
defense that comes at you at all angles. I like
the Bolts and big d Tomorrow, good one. Alright, I
will start with the Lions and Minnesota Vikings. I spent

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twenty three years working in Detroit and spend every Thanksgiving
at you know, Ford Field, Silver Dome for the bigger place.
By the way, always I've said it always looked looked
like half the lights were out because they had that
dark Yes, no doubt. But I love Minnesota's defense. Love
what they're doing. They're eight and two, and the game

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that the Lions beat them earlier in Minnesota, that was
when they they had their quarterback was out and they're
running back. Cook got hurt in that game and the
Lions only one fourteen and seven if you remember that,
So one like they blew them out without their quarterback
and they start running back. So I'm going with Minnesota
minus three and that game, all right, I'll jump over
to a game on Sunday. It's a short week for

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the Atlanta Falcons, but they're back home and they get
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Atlanta is favored by nine and
a half. The Buccaneers coming off of a win against
the Dolphins a week ago. I know, week to week
it shouldn't matter, and that's what Vegas praise on. But
the short week with Atlanta, the Falcons didn't do as
much against the Seahawks as people will believe. And because

(01:50:52):
the Cowboys had so much troubles with Atlanta, I am
I am still not a believer. And what the Falcons
are doing. I like the Buccaneer is plus nine and
a half against the Falcons coming up on Sunday. I'm
with you. I'm down on the Falcons, but I know
they've won a couple of games the last couple of weeks.
But let's go back to Thanksgiving. I'm gonna gobble Gobble.
I'm gonna pick your game as well that the Chargers

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in Dallas. I'm going to take the Chargers over to
Cowboys minus two. Cowboys are reeling. I think they got
some other issues. We saw it, you know against the
Eagles Charges coming off that big win against Buffalo. I'm
not expecting them to score fifty points in uh Dallas,
but I expect them to be the reeling Cowboys who

(01:51:35):
have too many issues to fix up. Uh this quickly.
The Cowboys are a team and this you know, Jerry
Jones losing Ezekiel Elliott and Tyronne Smith, he man, that
is tough. Now we know why Jerry was so mad.
Losing to all pros like that. Very difficult. The Philadelphia
Eagles seem to be playing at an all pro level.

(01:51:56):
They've got the Bears coming to town. Chicago is a
great team team at home when it comes to they're
gonna keep it close. Not a great team actually on
the field, but the fact is they're not gonna get
blown out at home. The Bears will play it up
right like they did against the Lions last week. And
then the kicker he got caught after that, he did
you see, how did you see them miss the He

(01:52:18):
just flat out and missed it. Yeah, Connor Barth and
then he got released. Cairo Santos is now the kicker
for Chicago. I don't blame them. He missed that so bad.
This is a team that, remember, beat the Panthers at home,
beat the Steelers at home. But they aren't at home
this week against Philadelphia. They're on the road in the
City of Brotherly Love, where now it is a true
home field advantage. Remember for a couple of years the

(01:52:39):
Eagles at troubles winning at home. I like the Eagles big,
a huge number thirteen and a half over the Bears,
but I like the Eagles to cover over Chicago has
a big numb. I'm gonna take Seattle coming off that
tough loss. I'll have them beating the forty Niners at
in San Francisco. C J bethred forty Niners led team,
so I'll do that. Garoppolo is not playing, so I'll

(01:53:02):
go with Seattle minus six and a half. They need
a bounce back game after losing this past week. The
New York Jets are home. A team that you don't
know what you're gonna get week in and week out,
but they like. The Bears like to keep it close
in our better at home than they are on the road.
Carolina comes in as a five point favorite. Give me
Josh mccount and the Jets is an underdog in that
game to cover. On Sunday, Do you smell a lot?

(01:53:24):
That's the Broncos Raiders game. Yes, I'm going to take
the team with the lest of all of a stench
to it, and I will take the Oakland Raiders minus five.
They didn't come to play last week. They need a
really good game, and we know Denver's real in Denver's
had a really bad I have no idea what in

(01:53:47):
the world to expect from Paxton Lakes. I can't even
I can't even tell you what we what we may
see in that game. That is it the Broncos. I
just have no idea. And it's not even a what
team is gonna show up? It's more of just how
in the world is this gonna play out? Final one
for us? For me? In Week twelve of the National
Football League Sunday Night, another big number, another big number.

(01:54:11):
The Steelers favored by fourteen over the Green Bay Packers.
If the Packers can't score at home against the Ravens.
I don't know how they're gonna score on the road
in Pittsburgh against the Steelers. Give me Pittsburgh and that
huge number on Sunday night. Wow, you're going big. I
know he scored forty points last week. He's feeling good
about that. But I will go. My final game will
be I'll take the l A Rams at home against

(01:54:35):
the New Orleans Saints. I know people are like the
Saints of one eight in a row. After they right,
there's no way to win in nine in a row.
And the Rams are a good team. They can score.
It's a fun watch. I've been to a few games
at the College cum I got the Rams winning that.
He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer. Those you're five for
five in the NFL for week twelve. There is in

(01:54:59):
the NFL. Let's go five for five. Doug Gottlie and
Doug got leaves out here. We'll do the College once tomorrow.
It's a tricky week, so the imaging says one thing
and we're just doing another. That's what happens on Thanksgiving.
He is Rob Parker, I'm Dan Buyer. John Robbins, our
technical producer, and Ryan Music are executive producer doing their
work today. Reach us on Twitter if you will. I'm

(01:55:20):
at Dan Buyer on Fox. Rob. If they wanted to
reach you on Twitter and tell you how right I
am work, could they do so they can get me
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(01:55:40):
missing man in the National Football League has actually made
his return. Yeah, we'll tell you who that is next year.
On Fox Sports Radio, It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. He's Rob Parker. I'm Dan Buyer in
for Doug today. We're actually gonna be here tomorrow as well,
celebrating a Thanksgiving with that NFL triple header. Robert phillis
in on the great stories of Thanksgiving pasts, attending Lions

(01:56:04):
games in the Motor City. There were some great years
and then there were some down years, to say the least.
I also probably I have a story about the Turkey
sandwich I had that after I finished eating and I
realized how to tail Oh interesting, Hey, oh that'll be
that'll be delicious. That's I'm sure that. I'm sure everybody's
sitting at home eating their Thanksgiving meals. We'll love to

(01:56:25):
hear that. They'd rather hear this from True Car. With
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new or us. Visit True Car to enjoy a more
confident car buying experience. Dan, you almost threw up in
your mouth. He's like, oh my god, that was not good.
But I would have to think the product on the
field during some of those times, it's actually worse. Yeah,

(01:56:47):
it was bad. I'm telling there were a lot of
bad years. It was always a big traditional Detroit and
Thanksgiving was definitely reminded me of my time I spent
Cincinnati with Opening Day in baseball in Cincinnati, Troit with
the Thanksgiving Day game. I've worked in some really special
sports cities over over my career, and those are two
of them. There's no doubt about it. Reach Rob on

(01:57:10):
Twitter at Rob Parker FS One, I'm at Dan Buyern
Fox and the guy who's going to deliver the press
is that music reports, and that's with the k Ryan
Music the press. Ryan's here to get us got up
to date of what's happened to the world of sports.
A lot going on on this Wednesday, that's right, so
let's get it started. In the NFL, you guys talked

(01:57:32):
about this earlier, but the Kansas City Chiefs have signed
long time NFL veteran but was a free agent, Darrell Reevus.
They said, quote, Durrell has a proven player in this
league and we're excited to add him to our secondary.
That was the general manager, Brett Veachus, now member of
the Chiefs. I like the move. I think that it

(01:57:52):
may come a few weeks too late, but if Rievs
can help a defense that has been ailing and it
and the offense has had issues as well. Listen, the
Kansas City Chiefs are going to win the a f
C West Now they've got five weeks to get Darrell
Rivas acclimated for the playoffs. I liked the move for
Kansas City's not gonna be Eric Berry wherever they put
him in the in the back end, but at least

(01:58:13):
it helps Kansas City, which needs it. This justin news flash,
I got, yeah, this is just this is justin I
have UH Darrell Rivers pregame meal, not that he's with
Kansas City, so he has UH sodium free bacon, decalf
coffee and a chest X ray before became pregame meal

(01:58:35):
at That's very good. By the way, the Chiefs and
I talked about their schedule bills this week, then the Jets, Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins,
and Broncos. In that Chargers game is at home, they
could run the table. You're missing one game. They also
played at Washington Generals on the schedule. That's another return

(01:58:55):
in the NFL, but for different reasons. Brown's wide receiver
Josh Gordon practice for the first time today with the
team since August thirty one, ten. It was his first
regular season practice since December. I've always felt it's odd
when they bring guys back off of suspension that you

(01:59:18):
can do meetings, then you can practice, and then you
can play in a game. Why woult you just be
able to write away and and and put it on
the team's discretion if they want to put him on
a certain list where maybe he's still getting acclimated on
how they want to do it. I just never understood
how the NFL gives you these you know, these stages
that you've got to go through before you It's almost
like a game of Super Mario Brothers. Now. Once you

(01:59:40):
to once you put in your time, if you're in
shape and can play, you should just play. You can't
play scared right. It doesn't make any sense, it really does.
The NFL a way to do a lot of stuff
doesn't make any sense. Once you've served your time, you
should be free to play, just like if you serve time, Dann.
Once you got out of prison, right, they allowed you
to go get a job. I'm sorry, I'm not supposed

(02:00:02):
to say that. Well, I got to stay at home
for about a year and that the what's that bracelettle
on your ankle? Death? I didn't notice one more note
in the NFL. The Patriots actually had six starters out
of practice today, including Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski. Brady
with an achilles, Rob Gunkrowski due to illness. Maybe he

(02:00:26):
had that turkey that you had with the tail. Maybe
that was it. Hey, that's good news. Good Maybe the
Patriots can lose a game. Actually, Gronkowski got sick watching
Dolphins game film. Is that what it was? Yeah? I've
used that one about five times on the network. I
tho't gonna keep on using it. I thought it was
something they ate in Mexico City. Maybe they had two

(02:00:48):
bottles of water straight from the stream. They had two
bottles of water straight from the street. Quick update, My
probation officer will join us tomorrow. Just just kidding. Sorry
about out. Let's turn our attention to the NBA. Tim
Bontemps of the Washington Post wrote a piece earlier today.

(02:01:10):
He was talking about the Los Angeles Clippers and their struggles.
He had this note about DeAndre Jordan's that there are
teams that are exploring trade options with DeAndre Jordans. Although
I must say the Clippers vice president of Operations Basketball Operation,
Lawrence Frank said last month that DeAndre Jordan is a
quote Clipper for life. That's pretty frank. That is, I

(02:01:36):
don't understand when people say that. I mean everybody, Babe
Ruth was sold. Everybody. Every player is available and can
be traded if you if things change. At one point,
Clipper for life was a jail sentence. That right, You're
right about that. That was the press. Do you think
that the Clippers actually are gonna shed that previous label.

(02:01:57):
Do you think they'll always just be the Clippers. They're
just going to be the Clippers, just like the Mets
and Jets in New York. It's always going to be
like the same thing. See tomorrow, do it.

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