The Greg Schiano Debacle with Clay Travis

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Boom, What Off America Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio post Thanksgiving, which means that
these are the only college football games that matter. Apparently, Um,
we continue to watch the Steelers be unimpressive, wall record wise,

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dominant in the National Football League, a wild slate of
incredibly and increasingly boring NFL games, Duke wins in college,
but the future is obviously bright for their young star
Derrick Rose wishy washy on whether or not he wants
to play basketball anymore. And yet none of that is

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the story of the day. We'll get to Tennessee, the
debacle of Tennessee and frankly, the embarrassment of one of
my colleagues who will join us, Clay Travis, who I
greatly disagree with his tactics over the weekend which led
to Greg Ciano getting and then getting uninvited to Tennessee. Um,

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we'll get to what Tennessee is the perception of who
Greg Ciano maybe, and all that's going down at Tennessee
in moments. Uh I just I continued to be completely
underwhelmed by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Right, Bret Hunley is not good?
How do I know, I have over a month of

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data to tell me he's not good, and yet he
was made at times to look very good. And yet
there they were needing Antonio Brown to not make game
saving miraculous plays and a fifty three yard field goal
to beat them in Pittsburgh. And so this is one

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of those Pittsburgh playing with fire. Pittsburgh's going to have
maybe home build advantage throughout or maybe home field advantage
up until they take gone the New England Patriots. But
the nightcap last night, even with the wind, told us
all you need to know about the Pittsburgh Steelers. The
reason they lost to the Bears, the reason they nearly
lost to the Browns, the near the reason they had

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to come from seventeen three back to beat the Indianapolis Colts,
is the same reason that they nearly lost to the
Green Bay Packers without Aaron Rodgers, who are widely regarded
as a one man team and didn't have that one man.
It's the same reason that Jacksonville Jaguars lost yesterday in Arizona.
The Jags are who we thought they were. The only

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difference is the Packers could not keep the Steelers on
the hook. I told you Dak Prescott was in for
a long season. I told you a long time ago
that Tony Romo was the last was the right selection
last year coming off of injury. Tony Romo is a
better quarterback today than Dak Prescott is today. And that's

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getting exposed. And anybody denying that isn't paying attention. Now
all of a sudden, they're mad at the spinds in
the play calling, and no one is pointing the finger
at Deck. Deac is still impervious to it. If you
read reports in Dallas, people like they're not making the adjustments.
That's because they can't. They have a quarterback who is
incapable of of doing anything other than being a game manager, which,

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by the way, is what D'Angelo Alexander told us. Deangel Williams, Sorry,
D'Angelo Williams told us he's gonna join us later on
the show. D' angel Williams, of course, former Steeler running
back for Carolina Panther running back. Um, I hate instant
replay because it has completely changed how we view what
a catch is. Sorry, Austin Sefarian Jenkins, who has lost

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a second game changing touchdown reception to the folks in
New York City. But I continue to be impressed, impressed
by the job that Todd Bowles has done with the Jets. Yeah,
and that's really what we get to with Tennessee, Like,
how are you going to relate Todd Bowls, the head

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coach of the Jets to Greg Shiano. Okay, do you
Oramas is sick today? Sorry? Ramos, you're sick. Should have
brought you some Jewish penicillin. You Jewish Penicilla's right, check.
That would have been good. Listen, you've got a little
smelly cat thing going right now. You got everybody know
what smelly cat is you guys watch friends. Remember Phoebe

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she got she got sick, and she's sang smelly Cat
and she had a deeper, more horsey, kind of bluesy voice,
and she liked it so much. Anytime somebody walked into
the coffee coffee shop, she'd kiss them so that she
can continue to have that bluesy voice. Ramos sounds like
a like a like BB King right now, the late

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great BB King. I look at Todd Bowls and I
am really impressed by their four and six record. That
team plays hard, that team gives every gets everything. They
possibly can out of their talent. If you don't have
Tom Brady, if you don't have any can anyone name

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how many wide receivers. How many players for the Jets
can you name on the offensive side of the ball,
how many? Even people who play fantasy football, you like, man,
I really struggle with this. I mean, the only reason
they got Austin's Ferry and Jenkins was he had two
d u I s with the Tampa Buccaneers, right, So

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I look at the Jets and I'm like, that's coached
the year stuff. And while you may say I'm crazy
because they're below five, I look at the loss of
the Dolphins by three, the Falcons by five, the Buccaneers
by five, the Panthers by a touchdown but one to
which there was but the Panthers by a touchdown but

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one to which Austin's Ferry and Jenkins caught a ball
which looked like it was a catch, only to later
be ruled not a catch. And I'm like, that team
is fighting for their dear lives and they've lost five
out of the last six games. That's basically what Greg
Siano did when he took over Rutgers. I don't know
if greg Ciano is good guy or bad guy, I
don't know. I do know that, Uh. He ruled with

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an iron fist. He had very much a h a
college football mentality. When he was in Tampa with the Buccaneers,
he wanted every room at sixty eight degrees, which, by
the way, I can kind of get behind. Do you
guys remember that story. When he got fired by the Buccaneers.
One of the criticism was he was he was controlled.
They freak about everything. He wanted every room at sixty

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eight degrees exactly. I actually don't think that's unreasonable. Sixty
eight is the new seventies seventies room temperature, but that's
a warm room. I like sixty eight. Matter of fact,
I like sixty five when I sleep. Don't you like
if I can see my breath when I sleep? Oh,
it's even better see my breath and then have really
really comfortable expensive sheets and then some comforter that's super

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super soft and a great pillow. All right, I'm seeping
my Casper mattress with with a great comforter at sixty two,
hell fifty six degrees. I'm good. I want to see
just just above freezing and then wrap myself in blankets
or wearing some new sweats. Oh, it's incredible, Like, like,

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did you ever think about Rutgers football before? And the
only thoughts since he left was they were they were
a great punchline to every football joke. He built them
from nothing to something and then left after a decade
to go to the NFL. And he didn't work out
in the NFL. And so he's a defensive coordinator with

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the Ohio State Buckeyes and they've had a very good
defense with a very young defensive backfield. But regardless, there's
a guy who knows how to build a program, knows
how to lead a program, and has been in has
been associated with a couple of very good college football
programs and a couple of very good NFL teams before

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taking over with Rutgers and since taking since losing his
job with the Tampay Buccaneers. And so what happened in
Tennessee was, by my estimation, they had, like most fans,
they had visions of grandeur. We're gonna get Gruden. If
we don't get Gruden, we're gonna get Dan Monk because
we're Tennessee. We're one of the great programs of all time,
and yet not realizing how they treated every coach since

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Philip Fomer, and maybe even including Philip Fomer and all
the infighting that took place in that place, Like, these
coaches are not idiots. I know you think they're idiots
because they might have a PE degree, but they're not.
And Tennessee today is the sorry for the term. They're

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the psycho chick. You know, the psycho chick, the one
that starts texting you late hours the night, hitting on you,
and at first you're like, man, she's kind of dirty,
she's kind of sexy. I can't believe how into me
she is. And then the second you go like, let
me just take a step back, she starts to go crazy,

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slashes your tires, puts things out on Facebook about you.
They're like, whoa, stay uh way, stay away. How you
fire people is going to be discussed, not just in
the media but in the profession. Lane kiffins there one

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year he did a phenomenal job recruiting and he left
to go to a better job at USC and they
burned him in effigy. Then they hired Derek Dooley, who
probably was in over his head, but the level of hatred.
The level of spite. You don't think other coaches realized that.

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Then they hired Butch Jones again, another guy i'd be
in over his head, And I think it was probably
silly how he mentioned that they were champions of life.
But I believe they lost seven defensive starters during the
year last year to injury, playing a ridiculously difficult schedule.
And his point was, look at all the over adversity

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we overcame just to have the season we had. But
the way in which that was received, because Tennessee hadn't
competed for a national championship, was if he said that
losing was a good thing, and that wasn't what he received. Look, Tennessee,
you're a bunch of lunatics. Everything. People make fun of
Texas A and M for assuming you can win a

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national championship or compete for a national championship when you've
won one in my entire lifetime is ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
And so they hire Shiano, who isn't from the area,
doesn't have ties, hadn't yet had a chance to put
together a staff or even have a press conference, and

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they went after him because of his association with Penn Stay,
and because his name was in an unsealed document in
a civil claim saying that Tom Bradley, a former assistant
and defensive coordinator at Penn State, had heard something. But
this was hearsay from the voice of Mike mcquerie. Now, look,

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my stance on Penn State has always been this. I
believe that Joe Paterno was alerted to an investigation into
Jerry Sandusky and the initial investigation in How do I
know that Because I've lived on a college campus. My
dad was a former head coach in college. My brother
has been a long time assistant coach for twenty five years.
In college. You fart on campus, they smelt in the

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coach's office. So if the defensive coordinator Penn State is
being investigated for child molestation by the local cops, you
damn well better be sure that Joe Paterno knows about
the Other part you need to understand, though, is that
Jerry Sandusky wasn't just a liar and a pedophile. He
was obviously a very vincing liar at a pedophile. How

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do I know that? Because he had a charity for
boys to come from disadvantaged homes. He had everybody duped,
So the the most the strongest likely scenario is Paterno
heard about the investigation as Sandusky about it, and Sandusky

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lied to him and was convincing enough to keep his
job when nothing came of the initial investigation. When the
second claims came up and mcquery walked in on him,
that was when Paterno had to act and said, hey, dude,
you gotta find a way to retire because I can't
have this around my program. But he couldn't let it
become public because he had learned of the accusations two

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years in the past, and Joe Paterno was likely pot committed.
Do I know that that Giano didn't didn't know? I
don't either do you? But Ohio State has believed his
story enough to when they asked him about it, Jane
Smith did nothing and allowed him to stay on staff.

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But what has happened in the last twenty four hours
has done irreparable harm to Greg Siano. And I don't
know if he's a good guy bad guy. I don't
know if he's a good fit bad fit. But going
after a guy because you wanted Jon Gruden who wasn't coming,
who you wanted Dan Mullen, who wasn't coming, and instead

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you ended up with a wild widely respected former head
football coach that had, like Todd Bowles, done more with
less at Rutgers and built them into kind of a
powerhouse in New Jersey. For leaving for the NFL because
you didn't like him, going character assassination on him because

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of his very, very faint possible links to one of
the grossest worst stories in the history of college sports
is embarrassing. And I like Clay Travis. I like his show.
I like the honesty by which he goes after some
of these stories, but I feel like he was a

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part of a story which is all too similar to
the stories that he on a daily or weekly basis.
Makes fun of riling up people on social media because
it gets their feelings, It gets there, gets their emotions
going when you have no facts to back it up.

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It was a coupe deta in Knoxville, the a d S.
John Curry is gonna lose his job and they're probably
gonna hire t Martin, who doesn't even call plays his
offensive coordinator at USC, but was a Tennessee legend. He
was the quarterback after Peyton Manning, who helped win Tennessee
their only national championship in the modern era of college football.

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Shiato out of Tennessee before he got to Tennessee. Clay
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It's it's important to note that while I I really
just I really don't like what Clay Travis has done
over the past twenty four hours, I can still consider

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him a friend and a colleague. Like he's not gonna
like everything I do. I'm not gonna like everything he does,
but I think that he is, in fact, like all
of us on different platforms, we have a certain amount
of power that we wield. What's interest thing about this
one is Clay lives in Nashville, is an alum of
Michigan and Vanderbilt, and yet really loves or seems to

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love to talk about and pay attention to Tennessee football.
To that part, I I really don't understand. Clay Travis
hosts the show called OutKick the Coverage. It's on six
to nine am Eastern Time here on Fox Sports Radio
or on uh Serious XM channel. I think two oh
two or two oh three. Clay, what what channels it on?
On Serious sex H we actually are on two different

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one Serious to eighteen and x M two oh two.
And I appreciate the intro. You're a buddy of mine,
and I think one of the strengths of frankly the
best sports talk or radio lineup in the history of
of the medium, in my opinion, is that everybody doesn't agree,
um and uh And just because you disagree, as I
always tell my wife, although it doesn't always work, doesn't

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mean that you have to fight over something. And so
we just have fundamentally different opinions on this story in
this situation. Okay, So, um, let's first Why do you
care so much about Tennessee football when you didn't go there. Yeah,
my grandfather played for General Neiland in the nineteen thirties,
and from the age of five on, basically as long

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as I can remember, I went to University of Tennessee
football games as a fan. Probably like a lot of
people who are listening to your show now as well.
If you grow up in the South SEC, football is
your birthright. And for many of us, maybe even most
of us, we pick a favorite team in the SEC

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long before we even understand the concept of college. So
I went away to college to George Washington, d C.
Because they gave me a scholarship and it was a
better school than the University of Tennessee, and I wanted
to go to school in Washington, D C. And then
I came back to Tennessee and went to Vanderbilt for
law school because it was a better school. But in
terms of my my interest and and passion and uh

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in full throated fandom, it was decided long before I
would have ever contemplated where I might be able to
go to school. That's right, Well, your wife went to Michigan, right,
I got that wrong. Le Laura went to Michigan and
my wife and then we met at Vanderbilt Law School UM,
which is back in two thousand one or whatever the
math was there. Yeah, I I I got a tough time.

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Like I'm I'm a Tennessee Van and we both are
hold hold degrees from Vanderbilt and none of them. But
that's not only that. I mean, look, this is this
is kind of puts it in the context I wrote
this in in my first book. But when I went
to law school at Vanderbilt, my dad had to call
me at being such a huge University of Tennessee fan,
and obviously there's a bitter in state rivalry between Tennessee

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and Vanderbilt and say that he would be okay. My
mom was worried that I wouldn't go to Vanderbilt for
law school because I was concerned that my dad would
be upset because of football and basketball rivalry. So I
mean that's really kind of SEC fandom in a nutshell.
And by the way, I love Vanderbilt now, like uh,
my brother in law into the med school, My sister
got her pH d there, my wife went on to

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get her masters after we met him law school, and
I obviously got my law degree. The irony for my
dad is that he's probably surrounded by more people who
have graduated from different schools at Vanderbilt now in his
immediate family than almost anybody in the country, despite being
a hardcore University of Tennessee fans. All right, so who
do you think was gonna get the Tennessee job. I
thought that it was gonna be Dan Mullen. I thought

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that was the most likely all along. And I think
what happened here is the situation with Chip Kelly. Congratulations
to U c l A On making what I think
is a phenomenal home run, outstanding higher. I think that
surprised Florida. Florida win all in for chip Kelly. Then
they tried to pivot and go to just Scott Frost.
I think Scott Frost can end up in Nebraska. And
then they went to their number three U man, which

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was Dan Mullen. And I think Tennessee expected that their
guy was Dan Mullin. Like, look, they pursued John Gruden.
John Gruden is like the old woman who wants to
still believe that she's really good looking, and he flirted
with Tennessee in an aggressive fashion. Um, and they'll love
the attention, love the adulation, but ultimately he said no. Uh.
And then I really think that they believe Dan Mullen

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was going to be their guy. And when Florida announced
Dan Mullen and stole him away and Tennessee was became
aware that they were not going to get Dan Mullen,
then I think Tennessee's athletic director John Curry panicked and decided,
you know what, we better go grab Greg Ciano. My
my first criticism of the Higher in general is why
the rush um? You know, if if Greg Ciano is

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such an unbelievable coaching higher, there are a lot of
other jobs out there, and you would think that all
of them would be all over Greg Ciano. Whether it's Texas,
A and M, whether it is uh, certainly Nebraska, Arkansas,
Arizona State. All those jobs, good jobs open that will
attract a lot of attention, Will any of them hire
Greg cianic I think the answer is. I think the

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answer now is no. I mean, I look, I think
you've honestly, I think you've done a reparable harm to
to to him as a coach, irreparable like what I like,
I would I would sue you. I was I don't know. Again,
You're okay. I mean, he's obviously gonna sue Tennessee and
he's gonna make a lot of money off the soup.
But I don't think it matters because now, if you're
an athletic director, you fear hiring him, even though, like

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the real reason people were mad was because they didn't
like the idea of Greg Shiano as a coach, not
because of this the faint possibility that he might have
known something that happened with Sandusky that just became part
of that. Honestly, that it feels like you railed on Missouri, right, Pullye.
So because they took the word of one guy who

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went on a hunger strike that this is quite a
bit different, right, this is a courtroom testimony. There's different
in a civil difference between what you say under oath
in my opinion and what and look, I don't and
and what was said, and what was said was that
he talked to that This is from Mike mcqueery talked
to Tom Bradley who said that he that that Siano

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saw something and they never mcqueer. You know, the quote
was actually really specific. I've got it right here. He said,
Mike mcquerry testified. I can't remember if it was one
night or one morning, but Greg greg Siano came into
his office white as a ghost and said he just
saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower.
And that's it. That's all he ever told me. But

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that's that's but that's again, that's mcquery telling the story
to him. So McQueary and mcquery played there. Just take
a step in step, let's take it. Let's take it
outside of Shiano. Would you want to hire our Briles
right now? No? Okay? And our Briles obviously has not
been found to be culpable for anything in a court

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of law, and he denies all responsibility. And he also
has gotten millions of dollars in payout from Baylor, who
was saying, basically, we haven't been able to prove that
you did anything wrong. But I think if you saw
the reaction he was also he was also in charge
of the wait, he is in charge of the program.
He was he was in child He was not totally

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grad assistant and then defensive backs coach. But in terms
like Art Brile's right, I mean, our Briles was not
directly attributed to have seen in court testimony a sexual
assault on a child. Right, you can agree with You
can believe Greg Ciano when he says this is not true.
I never saw any of this. I didn't tell anybody this.

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This is all a fabrication of Mike mcquerry on the
witness stand. If that's true, then he should contemplate suing
Mike mcquery for sharing that story and also sharing the
story of of the other coach there who who had
told him that. Right. I mean, if that's not true,
then that's who you should sue. This story is everywhere
it came out in it was covered. Ciano denied it.

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But my position on this is, if you are Tennessee,
or you are a Tennessee fan, or you are a
Tennessee booster who was not aware of what was going
on with Greg Ciano, if you find out that your
school is contemplating hiring Greg Ciano, a guy who is
sixty nine, sixty eight and sixty seven as a head coach,
no no, no, no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no
no no no you did know, you did the lawyer thing. Okay,

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either it's about the Penn State thing, or if you
want to go into Rutgers rug, did you ever think
of Rutgers football before he took over? He made it
into a viable program. They were eight and forty eight
in the Big East. If you go look at his
actual record, and by the way, people say, oh, they're
this was actually good. The Big East was actually good
back then. Now they're in the Big Ten, which is
much better. Right, they play Penn State, they play Ohio State,

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they play Michigan, and they play Michigan State there actually,
so you don't think he did a good job at Rutgers. No,
I'm saying I don't think he did a job. So
what I'm saying is, you know you're you're doing, you're
complaining the two. You're saying you're mad about the coaching
record and Rutgers whatever. So then you go like Penn State,
Oh my god, he might have known something about something.
I think people can say, Look, if Nick Saban was

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the guy who was alleged to have been involved in
this hearsay incident, everybody would say it's hearsay. Nick Saban
is so good his talents exceed his problems. But if
you go look at Greg Siano, and you say, okay,
he's sixty six eight and sixty seven, twenty eight and
forty eight in the Big East during his tenure there.
He also had a disastrous tenure at the Tampa Bay buccant. Here,
you keep throwing out the record, like, dude, do you

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know what Rutgers was for twenty five years? You can
agree with you. Wait, wait, do you know what what
was Rutgers the twenty five years before he got there?
They were not very good? What have they been since
he left? They're in the Big Ten? Now, what have
they been? I don't He's all in the conversation of
the worst football program in major college essence, they joined

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the Big Ten. If they they they they see, they'd
be fine. No, they were bad before. When soon as
he left, they got bad, all right? So they also
he went to Tampa Bay. He went seven and nine,
and then he got fired after going four and twelve
and had a player mutiny. He leaked information about medical records,
He leaked information about supposedly his starting order back being
in drug rehab. You go dive into Greg Ciano's record,

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and then you also add in this story, which is
a major story that is going to get a lot
of attention when you get a big job. That's what happens.
It's like when you suddenly get nominated for the Supreme Court.
Everything that you've ever done in your life, even if
it wasn't a big deal beforehand, becomes a big deal now.
So when you look at the totality of the Greg
Ciano resume, I think it was a bad decision by

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Tennessee to think that he was going to be a
good higher and also to think that it was gonna
be a good fit. Now, what percentage of not liking
Greg Ciano is based on Penn State versus based on
his record as a coach. I think you would have
to ask every individual Tennessee fan that I didn't like
to higher regardless of what happened at Penn State. I
would not have supported it, regardless of what was alleged

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to one thing. To not it's one thing to not
support it. It's another thing as a radio host to
lead a revolt, uh, which is by the way, it's
gonna kill his career and it's gonna kill the A. D.
S care here. That's that's that's what you do that
you can you can talk about it you don't talk
about like I do. But I understand you have to

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understand the amiflication of what you say. Lead a revolt. Okay,
I let a revolt against Butch Jones, and I let
a revolt against Derek Dooley when they were the coaches
at Tennessee because I didn't think they were the right fit,
right and honestly, and I'll be and I'll be and
I'll be honest with you. Do what you did to
Butch Jones, Like, Look, I don't think but Jones was
good enough as a as a football coach, and ultimately,

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uh it played out as such. They lost his job.
But like I also have the sensibility to know it
almost it became kind of it became personal because it
was your school and I get it, or to the
school that you love, whatever. But you also like, there's
like twenty other dudes on staff that lost their job
because you don't like Butch Jones of the way, which
he knows because he went because he went four and eight,

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the worst year in the history of Tennessee athletics. Look,
here's the other thing I don't. I'm not the kind
of guy and you know this, I'm not the kind
of guy who sticks my thumb up in the air,
checks to see which way the wind is blowing, and
then checks to see how many people agree with the
opinion that I'm about to share. Every single day, whether
I write or whether I say it on the air,
I face forward and look directly at everybody else, or

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look directly into this mic and tell people a dred
percent what I agree with, And a lot of times
if I look over my shoulder, there ain't nobody else
standing there, right. So the fact that so many other
people in the Tennessee fan base agreed with me about
Greg Ciano, I don't believe was because they had no
idea what their opinion was, and then they saw my

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opinion and they all said, oh, we're gonna join Clay
Travis's opinion. Because I think there if you check my
Twitter mentions every single time, years too, every single time
I share an opinion on anything, there's at least of
people who say, you're crazy, that's an awful opinion. So
I don't buy into this idea that people agreed and
suddenly change their mind about Greg Ciano because of me.

(29:55):
I think I voiced an opinion that hundreds of thousands
of Tennessee fan also happened to have the differences. My
opinion gets more weight because I've created a massive audience
throughout kicks. No, I I don't dispute that. By the way,
Rutgers had won seven games. Seven is the most they
had won since nineteen eighty. They had done it twice
and hadn't been to a bowl game since nineteen eighty.

(30:17):
Uh he went to a bowl game. Uh in what
was his last what six years? There? He went five times?
But you know, maybe that doesn't doesn't matter. They were nothing.
He built them into something. I actually think he was
a really good fit as a builder, which is what
that program needs. But regardless of which, let me let
me well, I gotta get an update real quick, and
then I want to point out that the damage I

(30:38):
think you've done to Tennessee's brand, whether wittingly or unwittingly,
get to that in a second. First, let me get
to Steve to Seger and figure out what else is
going on the world of sports. Let's start with college football.
B Why you fired Ty Detmer as offensive coordinator? He's
a former Heisman winning quarterback. There the Cougars ranked a
hundred twenty three in the country in points per game
out of a hundred twenty nine FBS teams. Rice fired

(30:59):
head coach Dave Bailiff in the past two years, he
went four and twenty. He spent eleven seasons with Rice.
Rutgers gave coach Chris ash a new five year contract.
He'll make two point two million dollars next year, according
to NJ dot Com. Monday Night football's matchup is in Baltimore,
the Ravens hosting Houston. The Texans have lost three of
their last four games. Tampa Bay quarterback Jamis Winston, with

(31:21):
a bad shoulder, will be cleared for football activities on Wednesday,
as long as he's not sore from rehab. Broncos quarterback
Paxton Lynch, with a high ankle sprain, is out two
to four weeks, the team now says, so Trevor Simeon
will probably start. Seattle announced that safety Cam Chancellor will
not return this year. Neck injury the problem, and of
course Richard Sherman's also out for the year with a

(31:42):
torn achilles. The Browns will likely activate wide receiver Josh
Gordon by Friday, according to Cleveland dot Com, and he
would play Sunday in l A against the Chargers and
Carolina tighten Greg Olsen's sore foot. Okay after tests today,
back to you Doug Gotlam Show, Fox Sports Training. Alright, Clay, listen,
I gotta take a break and I want to talk
about who's next at Tennessee and how it I believe

(32:05):
will prove my point as to whether you meant to
or didn't mean to. I think you did a lot
of harm to Tennessee in getting Shianno fired before he
was legitimately higher. We'll get to that in a second.
Out kicked the coverages. Clay Travis will continue to join
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Clay Travis is multitasking quote again if he's joined still?
Let let me just read your last tweet. Uh. If
Greg Sianno is such an amazing coach, hire coaching, hire,
shouldn't Texas and m Nebraska, Arkansas on Arizona State all
been falling all over each other to hire him? Why
aren't they? Because they're fans? And Boosters don't want him either. Uh, Clay,

(32:49):
I gotta tell you it's this wrong. You know, I
talked to but before this went down the way it
went down, I talked to a guy who's uh leads
one of the best, biggest search firms in the countries.
Like Greg Shanno was absolutely candidate at all of these jobs.
He's got Belichick and urban Meyer in his corner, and
he's coaching one of the best defense Hire him. Why
don't they hire him? They can't? Now, why can't they?

(33:11):
Because it because because fans think that he is somehow
completely associated with Jerry Sandusky, when because he is. I mean,
look if you if you believe he's a hundred percent innocent,
and he says he is, and other people are willing
to vouch for him, then have the balls to step
up and hire him. I mean, if you're the head,

(33:32):
here's here's the harm you did. Here's the harm you
did to Tennessee, Arizona. Stay, here's the harmy did. If
here's the I can make the same argument now about Tennessee.
If Tennessee is such a great job, why can't they
go out and hire a big time football coach right now?
Because they have an incompetent administration conducting. No, because nobody
wants to go there, Clay, they don't want to be
treated this way. Wait, wait a minute, who do you

(33:52):
think is a big time coach that they could have hired?
Like I'm telling you right now, there are seven guys
that they can get in at Tennessee right now who
can take over that are all Greg Ciano in my opinion,
all right, Kevin Someone, Mike Leach, Lane Kiffin, Willie Taggert,
uh Mike Norvell, Bobby Petrino, Jeff Bram are all demonstrably

(34:15):
better in terms of their current on the field product
than what Greg Ciano offers at this exact moment as well.
Why do you think they're going Why do you think
they're gonna end up hiring t Martin who doesn't call
plays at us because the administrators And it isn't, No,
it isn't. You're you're dealing. You're dealing with things you
don't know anything about. Like I love you, I think
you're an incredible talent. You don't know anything about college

(34:38):
football in terms of how it really works. You don't
think that I who wrote a best selling book Inside
the University of Tennessee Athletic Department about Phil Fulmer's final year.
Talk to people who are intimately involved in a major
coaching search. You don't think that I regularly talk, So
don't Tennessee people who people think like all of this
is like, No, people think that I regular Like if

(35:00):
I next time we meet, next time we meet. You
know people I know people in college football. They're like,
this thing is a disaster, but next things happening in
college and that I've been talking. No, no, awesome. Why
aren't they gonna Why why won't they hire those people
because their administration? Wait, you just told me that the

(35:21):
that the fans lead this revault, This about the fans
and the boosters, and you got all these bolls for
want And I'll tell you why the boosters want a
Tennessee guy. Now. They are fed up with with John
Curry and so they would like to go get either
David cut Cliffe, who is a former Tennessee assistant. Right,
he's gonna go, by the way, what was his record
at Old Miss and then what was his record when
he didn't have Eli Manning? Right? And I like David Cutliff.

(35:42):
David Cutcliffe is one of the all time great coaches.
The issue with David Cutliffe and the reason why he
didn't get the job in two thousand ten is he's
never established that he can recruit a truly elite level. No,
I don't want recurred. That's okay, which which someone would
want to recruit, but someone don't want that job, you know,
want the job. I think I think Kevin Summer. I mean,
by the way, s if they hired Kevin Sumlin, they

(36:02):
would be a fan of volt because they'd say, look
at his record in the you know, I think that's
I think that's mistaken. I think he'd I think the
first head black head coach. He'd be able to go
in and recruit at at an elite level. He runs
a fun offense if he can keep hold on to
a quarterback. But you're kidding yourself if you think they
hired Kevin Summon and Bolls fans were like, up top,

(36:25):
we got Kevin Summon. They've been picking him apart, just
like what I think. What I think has been misconstrued
is the idea that because they hired Greg Siano, this
is a reaction that would have happened for a lot
of different coaches. Tennessee fans are astute as a group.
You can attack him as an individual group right as
an individual. Uh. Tennessee fans in general love football. They

(36:45):
support their program at rates that almost don't exist anywhere
else in college athletics, for both basketball and football. This
is a program that is I believe one of the only,
maybe be the only one the only one in the
country that is top ten at times in bow basketball
and football attendance. I mean that means like everybody kind
of focuses on the football team, but we're talking about

(37:05):
an incredible basketball facility with a huge, rabid fan base, UH,
that is willing to come out and support at a
level that almost is not seen anywhere else. What Tennessee
fans feel like is ever since Phil Fulmer was fired
that there has been a series of disastrous hires made.
Lane Kiffin was a good hire, but he was only
there for one year, so I'm gonna give a pass
on that. Derek. Do guys rob a Tennessee one of

(37:30):
the most unbelievable, one of the most unbelievable stories of
all time, not just guys like top recruits, uh that
they ended up getting kicked off one of the great
most unbelievable stories in SEC football history. Tennessee guys robbed
a local gas station, a pilot, by the way, which
is actually owned by the biggest booster Jimmy program in
the country, the guy who owns the Browns um And
so what you've got now is bad higher of Lane Kiffin.

(37:52):
The way it worked out in terms of on the field,
I don't think it was a disastrous higher. But there
were a ton of early people really interested in that job. Uh.
Then you had Derek Dooley, which we all know was
a disaster. Then you have Butch Jones, and then you hire,
in many people's opinion, including mine, a guy who is
Butch Jones two point oh except on the defensive side
of the ball. And, by the way, a guy that
in his last year at Rutgers, Butch Jones beat by

(38:13):
forty So in his last year, after building up this
program to these incredible heights, Butch Jones, who I think
everybody would acknowledge, is not Vince Lombardi went in and
beat Rutgers by nearly forty coached by Greg Ciano. So
Tennessee fanzers looking around saying, wait a minute, we don't
want our administration to make this higher again. And by
the way, the administration is really just John Curry and

(38:33):
Jimmy Haslem And to put this into context for you,
the people making the hire at Tennessee who were ram
railroading Greg Ciano through UH. The reason why he's the
top candidate is because Jimmy Haslum interviewed him when he
was with the Browns UH to potentially be and he
owns the Browns in the state of Ohio. And I'm
sure that urban man chick of the phone and said
you should hire this guy. That's the way it works.

(38:53):
In Belichick probably did did as well that that's that's
the way it works, Like Jimmy has to hire Some
wanted to explain what went for that, But the rest
of college football is saying about your beloved Tennessee job
that no one of repute will go there because of
which I don't believe because they're crazy. They wouldn't. You
wouldn't want to hire Norvelle because he's the Memphis coach.
So what would have happened on social media if Tennessee

(39:20):
had been Alabama had been two thousand six and rich
Rod suddenly decides he's not going to go to Alabama
because Alabama fans are crazy after a decade of Alabama
being crappy, then they would have never hired Nick Saban.
Remember he was on camp door, he was on campus,
he accepted the job, and suddenly he was His wife
was listening to sports talk radio and she was like,
my god, these Alabama fans calling in not happy with

(39:42):
rich Rodriguez are crazy. We're not gonna go here. And
that's actually how Alabama ended up hiring Nick Saban. So
if social media had existed back then, everybody on Twitter
would have been saying, look at Alabama. The best days
or passed. They can never win again. There as I
was doing, I was doing national radio at the time.
I believed in the Saban higher then, believe in the
Saving higher. Now I'm telling you it's different in a

(40:03):
way it went down. And the fact that you've done
a reparable harm to a coach who many people swear by.
The athletic director, I don't know well enough. I've I
do have a little bit of association with him. I
don't think he consistently makes great hires, but I understood
why he ran off Frank Martin, the greatest coach probably
in Kansas State history. He's not the greatest coaching might
you might want to research Jack Hartman and text Winner

(40:24):
before you say that Frank Martin was the and he
had a he had a kid who got a receipt
from getting money, and there was other stuff that went
down and whatever, Frank. I love Frank, I love I
love Frank Martin. He's not the greatest head coach, is
not the second greatest head coach in the history of
Kansas State. But that that's regardless of the point. You
can listen to his show, it's called OutKick the Coverage.
You can go to his website. You can follow him
on Twitter. Clay, thanks for joining us, dude, I appreciate

(40:45):
you'll have me. Thanks a lot. All Right, we'll continue
to talk about this plus life outside of sports next
in the Doug Gotlive Show, Doug Gottlie Show, Fox Sports Rady.
That was fun. Look I'm a professional, are you or I?
I got no problem with it. I will point out
that Clay Travis, who has threatened to run for office US,
is basically a politician. And here's what's happened. Politics at
its finest. That that's what I actually appreciate about it,

(41:07):
Like you understand how this works right in politics, Like
if you watch House of Cards, you have somebody who
digs up dirt on all your potential opponents, and at
just the right moment you release the tape. Right it
was that's what happened with like the the Trump access
Hollywood tape, right, Like how does that happen to get
out just then? And somebody had held onto it for

(41:28):
just the right moment, and I think the Democrats thought, well,
that'll be the end of that, right to which the
Republicans came back and uh, what was the name? Like
all of a sudden, they reopened an investigation into Hillary
Clinton like a week before the election. Like, man, that
takes dirty politics to a whole new level. You wait

(41:52):
till just the right moment, the peak of popularity of
whomever your opponent is, and then you open up that
dirty dossier. You find out this one's really good. All right,
keep my fingerprints off it? Like my issue with like
I got no if you don't you don't think that
Greg Shianna was worthy of coaching at at Tennessee, Like okay,

(42:13):
I would say that most football people disagree with you,
Like he won eighteen games his last two years at Rutgers.
It's it's Rutgers. It's Rutgers. It was a program that
was dormant for twenty years. Ain't turned it into uh
the best program in the Eastern Seaboard. So uh, I mean,

(42:38):
and and look, they they've struggled. Obviously can go into
the Big Ten. But a big reason was they were
never the same when he left, and then they had
all kinds of dysfunction in their in their athletic department
as well. That's led to coaching turnover. But what happened,
like somebody they had this this Penn State thing in
that dossier, like, oh, Shianna's Sianna is the choice, keep

(43:00):
my fingerprints off it? And I don't. I don't like that.
I don't like Clay said he didn't like the hire,
that's why they went after him, but to link him
to the Penn State thing, when come on, man, that's
the look. I'm a human being and I could do
thee well, I'm a father and I have a son,
and I was a college athlete. So I'm just like
everybody's disgusted by the Penn State thing. I don't need

(43:20):
these qualifiers. Of course, I'm disgusted by it, and I
call bs. I'm paternal, not a paternal not knowing I do.
But we're going by as by leagal By UH unearthed
documents from a civil case into which Mike mcquery says
that Tom Bradley told him a story about Greg Shiana like, okay, maybe,

(43:51):
to which they both denied. So I don't know. Look
if if if you c l a who who previous
to Chip Kelly getting the job there employed Tom Bradley
I thought this was true, they would have fired Tom Bradley.
If Ohio State thought that it was true, they would
have fired Greg Shianna. Who wouldn't have been any sweat
off of off of urban Meyer's back. Would you have

(44:13):
liked it? No? Okay, But no one wants somebody who
knows something about child molestation around their campus. They just
don't and nor should they. So all this comes down
to his Tennessee fans didn't like to hire, and then
they just charged up UH students and social media with

(44:35):
this Penn State story to which suddenly he became a
guy associated with child molestation. And there's a rock painted
at Tennessee. And if Clay Travis wants to use the argument,
Hey have Greg Siana such a good candidate, why hasn't
somebody else hired him? I could use the same Uh.
I used the exact same argument when they hired T Martin.
T Martin such a good candidate, why would't anybody else

(44:57):
in college football even interview him? Like? I just I
loved watching T Martin play. They loved watching T Martin play.
I like that he won a national championship The year
after Peyton Manning left, Clinton Sterner dropped the football. Uh
going back? Arkansas had the game one and Clint Stern
slipped and the football fell out of his hands, and
Tennessee won a national championship because they beat Arkansas. Here,

(45:21):
you want to know the biggest problem with Arkansas fans,
I mean with Tennessee fans is they they think that
all of their problems are self induced problems, that it's
because they've hired poorly, it's because they've done something wrong,
They've hired inept coaches. What they don't understand is the
whole world has changed. It's the same problem in Nebraska,

(45:45):
and Nebraska fans like, man, we don't like this coach
and we don't like that coach. And we don't like
the forward pass. Right, Nebraska pulled themselves out of the
Big Twelve, which was their only hope for competing nationally.
Why is that Nebraska has virtually no in state talent
to speak of. So in order to be competitive in Nebraska,
you gotta play where the players are in Texas, in Florida,

(46:09):
in California. And actually recently they've recruited quite well in
the state of California. But you're never gonna get pick
of the litter out of California. When you don't play
in California, you're just not And you're never gonna get
to pick a litter in Texas unless you play in
league games in Texas. Unless people in Texas can see
your games, and they can't, you're never gonna get the

(46:29):
kids in Florida. When Nebraska was really really good, all right,
they were playing in the Big Gate against athletic departments
that they they they funded their program at a greater
level than most of the programs in the Big Eight. Alright, Like, look,
when you're Nebraska football, you wake up, you're automatically gonna

(46:51):
be better than Kansas. You should be better than Kansas State,
should be better than Missouri, you should be better than
probably Oklahoma State, better than I was state, Like that's
better than Colorado. Why because you don't have great instate talent,
but neither do they. And you're Nebraska and you spend
more money and you have greater reach and you can
pick it out a conference game and when you play Oklahoma,

(47:13):
and then when they went to the Big Twelve, it
all made sense for Nebraska. So Nebraska is piste off
because they can't win games. They can't win games is
they don't have better players than everybody else anymore. And
they can't get better players than everybody else because well,
you can't run option football and if you do, you're
running the spread option, which everybody else already runs. And

(47:33):
oh yeah, by the way, you're not getting the best
kids in Texas, California and Florida. And you can't recruit
the East Coast anymore because those programs that used to
be dormant, Rutgers and all of the Big East, which
is now the a C or the a c C,
they reach up to the North and they bring them
or Pence, they keeps their kids home. Where are you
gonna get the players from? They think that every one

(47:54):
of these fan bases thinks that the world simply revolves
around their program, and not really. Tennessee was great when
Philip Falmer was there, but the SEC was different. That
was before Alabama's dominance. That was before Texas A and
M came in the league. That was before you had Frankly,
Oklahoma State is reaching into Texas and getting players, Ohio State,

(48:20):
Notre Dame, They're all recruiting in the South. Meanwhile, you're
in Tennessee. And yeah, Nashville is an up and coming city,
but you're not gonna field your team full of kids
in Tennessee. You gotta get two places in the South.
You gotta get to New Orleans. You gotta get to Florida,
you gotta get to Texas. And guess what, everybody else
has beat you to the punch, and now they're all

(48:42):
laughing at you. They're all getting the players you thought
you could get. Tennessee. Tennessee one of the classic places
that thinks all of their problems are brought on by themselves.
And some of them are, but a lot of it
is just the world evolving and changing. This is the
danger of letting fans make the decisions. Now, we want

(49:04):
a Tennessee guy. We wanted. We want to notre Dame guy.
We wanted this guy. We wanted that guy. Look, I
don't know if John Curry was making a good hire
in Shiano, but this idea that Clay is like, Oh,
I know, all these guys that would come here, they
wouldn't have because they have massive buyouts and they would
have just used you in order to get a bigger

(49:26):
contract where they are or potentially get another job that
they thought was a better job. So because if you
take the Tennessee job, you gotta kiss the ring and
Philip Homer and all his guys, and some of these
guys don't want to do that, but you let fans
make decision like that's cool. This is no different than Brexit.
This is no different than Trump. This is no different,

(49:49):
frankly than many of the protests. The Missouri protest, which
the students revolted against what they thought was racism on
their campus and they ousted basically the entire boy ward
at Missouri. Have you seen the enrollment problem at Missouri?
Because nobody wants to go to a school where racists exists,
or where uh anti racism marches exist. They just want

(50:12):
to go to school and have a good time, party,
get drunk, go to a football game, meet a girl
or ten right, Like that's what people want to do.
So like maybe Tennessee ends up pulling a rabbit out
of their ass, maybe they do rabbit foot whatever, right, Like,
whoa look at that? We end up with the greatest

(50:34):
higher ever. Might work out worked out for Alabama. But
the way in which this went down is gross. It's
really gross because and I think Dan Patrick said this
earlier on his show, and I agree with it. Like,
I don't know what Sciano had to do with Penn State.
This is going back. He left Penn State in right,

(50:55):
so I was my senior year in high school, so
that was twenty two years ago. So I don't know.
I know that Ohio State felt good enough to take
his word for it. I believe Tampa Bay actually vetted
him about it. Other programs have vetted him about it,
and so so too did John Curry on some level
vet him about it. Like that we knew these questions

(51:17):
we're gonna be asked. But the way in which it
went down, the level of of outrage over a college
football higher will no doubt make anyone more than hesitant
to hire the guy, and like, let's not get it twisted,

(51:40):
Jerry Zandusky is the evil human being. Sandusky is the
human being. Now if he knew about if if Shiana
knew about it and did nothing about it, that I
hope he burns in hell, I really do. And I
hope that. I hope that he did know. But I

(52:04):
think this is simply dirty politics at play. That there
was enough people didn't like him, used it just the
right moment and a higher that they just didn't like,
and instead of simply disputing the higher after the point,
they made it very personal and very ugly. And oh yeah,
by the way, there isn't a coach of repute who

(52:28):
will take that job. Now, trust me, if you do
get one, if you get Mike Leach, you're gonna have
to overpay for Mike Leach. And I love Mike Leach,
but you're not gonna win big in the SEC with
Mike Leaches your coach. You're just not you know, like
these people are dumb enough, like you, really intelligent people
are smart enough to know what they don't know. And

(52:50):
the dumb thing about fans is they don't know what
they don't know. Like, Oh, we'll get Mike Leach, Like,
I see those press conferences, They're hilarious. Did you know
Mike Leach hates recruiting? Did you know he hates Boosters
even more? You think he's gonna go in and kiss
the ring of Philip Former. Now, if you wanna pay
him six sevenillion dollars a year to leave Washington State? Sure,

(53:10):
who go do it? They go do it. I don't
doubt that at all. Brilliant man, fun guy to have
a beer with, but somehow making him out to be
some coaching god and a great fit for Tennessee when

(53:40):
he hasn't lived or worked in Tennessee ever. Okay, go
for it. Let's talk some NFL, shall we. Dangel Wi
Williams joins me up coming next, I'll ask him, it's
just confounding this whole Steelers thing. They keep winning and
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the NFL because um our next yest joins us every week,

(55:28):
and um we we agreed and kind of disagreed on
uh in truth on Dak Prescott, like he called Dak Prescott.
He said, like, look, they've only trained him to be
a game manager. When things go poorly and where he
doesn't have everything just right, he can only manage a game.
We completely agree there. I think what we what we
disagree is I've always often gleamed from him that he

(55:49):
thinks Dak has the ability to be more than that
I do not at this point in his career. But
that's yet to be seen. So there's a lot of
nuggets you can take from D'Angelo Williams that are great,
that are people other former pro football players, former Pro
bowlers are not willing to say. He called that one
a long time ago. He also told us early on
that Steelers were gonna struggle because because they didn't want

(56:11):
to give the ball to Levian Bell early season. Once
they figured that out that they were running team first,
that they would be the first place team everybody thought
they would be. I want to get his thoughts on
the Steelers, who continue to be unimpressive in yet another
win on Sunday Night Football. But uh, he wanted to
create his own kind of segment, his own segment within

(56:31):
a segment. De' angelo Williams, pro Bowl running back for
the Panthers and the Steelers, joined us weekly on The
Doug Gottlip Show, and that segment where he wanted who
made the dumbest decision on an NFL weekend? I think
you wanted on a Sunday, but will extend it to
Thursday if you would like. I give you the floor,
D'Angelo who made the Devin's decision? The guy who made

(56:54):
the dumbest decision this weekend was Michael Crabtree by wearing
that chain knowing that to lead snatched this chain the
last time that they played. So the guy who made
the dumbest decision was Michael Crabtree. Not only did you
cost yourself a playmaker on the field, but you also
sparked another confrontation with a guy that you already had

(57:17):
prior issues with before you even took the field. What
what's yours doug. Uh, that's a pretty dumb one. That's
that's pretty dumb on any He got himself run. He
got himself run out of the game. Um okay, So
how would you approach that, Like, if you know that
you and Talib have beef, you've had I'm sure beef
would ude you've gone against. How are you supposed to

(57:37):
approach that? Just pretend like it doesn't happen. Well, it's
not a it's not a it's not a guy issue.
So the most disrespectful thing you can ever do to
a person to snatch their chain from them, that is
like the craziest thing ever and the most disrespectful thing ever.
So Talipas did it not once, but twice. On top
of that, It's not a player the player issue. It
has to been NFL issue. And this is why I

(57:59):
said it has to been NFL issue. Every time to
leave the micarol Craft tree, uh get tangled up, it's
always either the coaches of the players that have to
come to the aid of either one to break it up.
And then the league is always reactive as opposed to
being proactive. But you felt you you were winding back
to the Steelers and the Bengals whenever they played each other,

(58:20):
they always have extra extra securities. They take every precaution necessary.
So why is the precaution lacking in the to leave
microcraft tree beat? Like that's real? Like it's crazy that.
I mean, they threatened each other the last time, so
you would think that that beat was just as real
as the Steelers Bengals beats when they played Monday Night,

(58:40):
because that's must see TV. You'll see extra rest and
it at the fifty you'll see all the precautions that
the NFL take. Why have no idea what's the difference
between the Raiders and uh, the Broncos as it is
with the Steelers and the Bengals. So that's where I
have an issue with it should be an NFL is
you not just a player of the player issue? Because

(59:02):
there's actually real beast there, and I think that that's
gonna be beasts that leads the field, that actually making
into the streets in the everyday live because that's a
big deal. Man snatching the guys change not once but twice,
DeAngelo Williams joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. All right,
help me out with the Steelers. They win again fifty
three yard field goal. Antonio Brown a B makes a
couple of ridiculous, remarkable catches to kind of save them

(59:24):
from embarrassment. But the defense, I mean, you got dudes
running free. It's it's it's not like Brett Huntley was
thrown in the tight windows. You had a bunch of
blown coverages and uh and and look, the offense kind
of found a way to put it ends up looking
more impressive with thirty one points. Then then the lack
of consistent output with all of those starts. Let's start

(59:46):
with the defense. Why so many breakdowns? Well, I think
he implemented a new defense because you got Hunding coming in,
not a proven quarterback, so you feel like you could
do more things that you obviously couldn't do if Ayon
Rodgers was playing there. So I think he came out
and he installed in some new different blitz packages just
to kind of rattle Huntley early. And Huntley didn't. He

(01:00:08):
stayed in there, and he delivered the ball and he
ultimately had a close game. The part that the person
that that kind of rubs me the wrong way. And
as crazy as it's gonna sound, and I've said this
weekend and week out, even when they're Stiller struggled early on,
Like my concerns are with being those are my concerns

(01:00:28):
because his inconsistency could cost them down the line, because
you know, if dB stopped dropping the ball, he throw
four pitch last night he throws four, end up throwing too,
but he throws four if they don't drop the ball
like right in their hands, like right in between their
face mats. But nobody's talking about that because there's holes
in other places. But their battle testing, that's the thing.

(01:00:50):
Their battle tests. They've had close game after close game.
At the close game, I know coach tomlin Moto is
when it's them, it's just Dangel Williams joins in the
Dug Gallagh having a little problem with his phone. Let's
make sure we get it so it's it's perfectly all right.
Uh continues to join us. Let's stal back to the Thanksgiving.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Um. Uh. The Chargers

(01:01:14):
were impressive. And I've been telling people that charges are
way better than their records. But but on the other hand,
you got the Cowboys, and you said previously, you said
to start the year. Hey man, they're they're doing dak
at disservice. All they're teaching them to do is to
manage a game, and he's gonna have to do more
than that, and that has been exposed. Do you think
he actually has it in him this year to make

(01:01:35):
more plays? Because now you're here and that Cowboys players
themselves are disappointed the lack of adjustments. Is it lack
of adjustments or is that just not that good? It's
lack of it's lack of adjustmente He's doing exactly what
they tell them to do. Is they refused to take
the dayn trying to wheels off and let the man
pedal on his own take the training to off. You
don't have anything to lose, Like, what are you find
for you? Zeke's out, so you can't run, run, run,

(01:01:57):
pass run, You can't you can't get those manageable third
downs like the ones in the two yards where you
can just hand the ball to Ezekiel. He'll pick it
up and then you get a fresh set of downs.
That's over with. You got you got six games, or yeah,
you have six games or five now because he served
in one game. She spention already, so you might as well.
You might as well take this season right here to

(01:02:19):
take the trainer wheels off of him and have him
winning some games so he can experience that confidence and
winning games and stop being a damn game manager, exactly
what they coached him to do. So what would you do?
How would you adjust? Well? You adjust like this, Hey Dak,
you're gonna call the players when we're gonna know huddle
from now you calling no huddle often. You're supposed to

(01:02:39):
know this playbook this as as we did. You're two
years into it. You gotta make that adjustment. You gotta
you gotta call plays that you're comfortable with. Don't let
me call plays that I'm comfortable with, knowing that you're
comfortable with. Like, okay, I saw this in practice. You
can't do it. Whereas take what you learned on the
practice field and translate it over to the game field.
This is your team. That if if we're gonna say

(01:03:00):
that this is your team from a fan standpoint, we
gotta say that this is a team from a business
and from a coaching standpoint. Hey dad, this is your team.
You're you're gonna leave, We're all gonna follow. Let's go
where do you want to take us? And right now
where they're taking you is they're taking you as far
as the offensive coordinator allow you to. And that's what
the trainer was on. Let's managing the football game, and

(01:03:21):
that's not getting it done. What happened to the Kansas
City Chiefs, Then I'm gonna tell you what happened to
the Kansas City Chiefs. The Kansas City Chiefs I equate
a lot of things in life to a bunch of
the football teams. I equate the Kansas City Chiefs like
all the people that put up the Christmas lights and
Christmas decorations before Thankgiving because they already they don't want

(01:03:42):
to go to the rest of the regular season. Kansas
City started off four th. They're hot. We can just
skip the rest of the regular season because it's the windows.
Let's get straight to the playoffs and end up missing
the playoffs. They picked you early. They showed their hand
way too early. If you're giving us everything that you've
got in the first four to six games, you're easy
to plan because now we have tape on you and
we know exactly what you're gonna do. When get hard,

(01:04:04):
we know you're gonna go through these selection of three
or four plans. So we're gonna go through our defense
that limits those three or fourth clas and that's what's happening.
They're not winning them third, No, they're not. Uh. Alex
Smith went from a m v p Caliper player to
fighting for his damn job now, Jared, that's exactly where
he's gonna be. Yep, and which is why they which
was why they drafted a quarterback. But um, but it's

(01:04:27):
gonna be faster to see. I mean, look, they've lost
five in the last six games to winning their first
five games of the year. Danigeli Williams joining us. Um,
are you realize they only beat one team that year?
Right this year and the first and that was the
New England Patriots, like everybody handed them the trophy. They
beat the Eagles too. Okay, they'd beat the Eagles too,
what before the Eagle found their strive, you know, and

(01:04:50):
they and look and they beat the Chargers, who are
actually pretty good. Like look, I'm completely with you, but
with the exception, like I we're gonna they beat the
Patriots in New England. It was also the first into
the season. And the one thing that we have learned
is there's there's a narrative in the NFL, which his
first month of the season is just like extended training camp.
You don't know really what you have. And everybody except

(01:05:10):
the Chiefs seemed to figure that out absolutely. And and
when we found out what the Chiefs had, the Chiefs had,
it was downhill. And then they hadn't hit the meet
of their schedule. They're five, like you said, they've lost
father of their last six and they've hit the meat
of their schedule where everybody has film on him, everybody
has taped on him. What do you do? You you
you limit? And this is what's crazy. They haven't did

(01:05:32):
anything to stop Hunt. There's nothing different there, like nobody's
putting eight to nine in the box like that. He
was never the key to their offense. And I've always
said this, the key to their offenses. He'll He'll was
the hell was the break the breakthrough player. He's the
one that stretches the defense. He's the one that makes
that offense go. Once you find out how to stop him,

(01:05:55):
then you gotta you. You got a great opportunity to
be in the Chiefs. He's just like him to them.
It's just like uh Antonio Brown is the Pittsburgh Stealers,
but a B is season, he'll yeah, and a B
is also not five ft eight five ft nine, right,
Like he's bigger and he's not a gadget player. They
use Hill as a gadget player, no question. By the way,
he had Uh he had seventeen yards rushing. I mean

(01:06:17):
you have your starting Kareem Hunt has seventeen yard dressing
on eleven carries. It's a career low form in his
first year. D'angela great stuff, has always great energy. Glad
you had a great Thanksgiving. We'll talk to you next week. Yeah,
I had a great thing. How about your man? What
did you What was your favorite? What was your favorite? Uh?
You know, my wife, My wife mates really good dress.
Here's the thing. My wife had never cooked basically everything before.

(01:06:38):
When I was at ESPN, we used to go the
ESPN cap here because it's easy. We had little kids. Uh,
and in the past we've done things with their family
to where she had cooked one dish whatever. She made
almost all of them. And she actually and she doesn't
really enjoy cooking. She had so and my mom came over,
some cousins came over. We had all seven different kinds
of pie. But her dressing was perfect like, perfect amount

(01:06:59):
of moisture, cooked all the way through. You mixed them well,
you mixed the dressing with the cranberry sauce, with the turkey,
with the sweet potato pie, and you are good to go.
We were good to go with all them. Everything that
is spoken like a true husband that's in love with
his wife and has to go back home tour. No.
I'm telling you she did a good like. She did
a good job. She doesn't like cooking. I like cooking.
She doesn't like it, but she was like no, no, no no,

(01:07:21):
I got it this year and she handled her business.
She did a great job. A nice all right, thanks D'Angelo.
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out what else is going on this crazy world of sports.
We have breaking news from the NBA. The Memphis Grizzlies,

(01:07:42):
who have lost eight games in a row, have fired
head coach David Fizdale. Assistant JB. Bickerstaff, becomes the interim coach.
Is David Fizdale's fault that everybody was hurt for the Grizzlies.
I think the tipping point may have been over the
weekend when they were down fourteen to start the fourth
quarter against the Nets, and he'd just basically didn't sub
almost anybody, even Marc Gasol didn't get back in the game.

(01:08:04):
They got within five. Gasold he can get back in
the game. He was he was, I won't say ticked
off about it, but he he was concerned. Let's put
it that way. Yeah, you know what that is. That's
inmates running the asylum, isn't it? Or hemates running the prison.
But but but we'll get more on that in a
snake and Fizzdale had a four year contract, well three
plus an option, originally worth potentially ten million dollars. He

(01:08:24):
doesn't make it through a year and a half of this.
The late game tonight is Golden State against Sacremento. Kevin
Durant and Steph Currier each out tonight, Curry with a
bruised hand, Durant still with the sprained aacle. Also at
ten thirty pm Eastern Time, Lakers Clippers Spurs guard Tony
Parker will make his season debut this evening. He ruptured
a quad ten in last May. San Antonio is hosting

(01:08:45):
Dallas tonight. The Dallas MAVs five and fifteen. Cleveland has
won seventh straight there. At Philadelphia, Orlando has lost eight
in a row. They're playing at Indiana. The Houston Astros
playoff shares are worth nearly four hundred forty thousand dollars each,
a record for a World Series. He's winter. In college basketball,
Duke is still number one in the new polls. Arizona
was number two last week, but then lost all three

(01:09:07):
of its games at the Bahamas Attorney and fell out
of the top twenty five completely. Kansas is now number two,
Michigan State up to number three. Ohio State quarterback JT. Barrett,
with his bad knee, is probable for Saturday Night's Big
Ten title game against Wisconsin on Fox TV. Monday night
football matchup. Whost did at Baltimore? Back to you? Yeah,
I mean look, I mean, uh, we can say Marcus

(01:09:28):
al was mad. Mike Conley has been out with a
sword left achilles Tenant. Channelon Parsons, of course, had tightness
in his bad right knee so he left the game
that you were you were discussing which the Nets? Uh
beat bit the Grizzlies by ten. You lose to the Nets,
you automatically run the risk of getting fired. That actually
is that's in the league by laws. I'm not sure
if you're aware of that. Uh. I mean, like like

(01:09:50):
the reason, like the Calves had all these Calves lost
to the Brooklyn Nets and they had a players only
meeting the next day. That's how bad the Brooklyn Nets are.
But business set after the game. When you take a risk,
you may have set a player too. That's part of
this position. I can I can own the decision and
my reasons why winning is my priority. Well, the Grizzlies
had fifty wins plus three years in a row recently,

(01:10:12):
and remember they were getting into the playoffs and and
he actually got to a conference final once. Didn't Dave
Yegger leave and got more money when he came West.
The only he's a Sacramento They suck scment. Sacramento is
twenty nine in offensive and twenty nine in defensive efficiency.
And we'll probably be five and fifteen after playing the
Warriors tonight. Yes, they will be five. That's Steve dis

(01:10:34):
Seger who who joins the top in half past the hour.
If you missed are my discussion with Clay Travis. You
can hear that in the Doug Gottlip Show podcast, which
is upright after the show. I will tweet it out
as well. We got a lot to get to. DeAngelo
Williams given us some food for thought. Um. The other
takeaway of the Tennessee thing is like, look, at some

(01:10:56):
point people are just gonna stop Chason Gruden. I don't
think Tennessee is the end all be all, but remember
his name came up in regards to Texas, his name
came up in regards to Florida. Like, these are all
huge jobs and if he's not gonna take them, he's
not going to coach anymore. You get to a certain
pot where that window does in fact close, and I
think this is this is getting We're in that window

(01:11:18):
closing type of time. But I have my thoughts on
Chip Kelly Friday. When I was Frida on Friday, what
day was my Lesson Wednesday? On TV? I said that
I thought U s A is one of the worst
jobs in college football. But Chip Kelly took it to
my an idiot, No it doesn't mean he can't win. There.
I'll just explain to you why it's more difficult than

(01:11:39):
you think it would be. Plus, Peter King has a
very interesting thought on who could be the next head
coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I've actually said this in
years past we talked about the Gruden thing. The college
football window may be closed, but what about the NFL window?
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Plus why the San Francisco forty Niners are doing precisely
what I would do if I was the San Francisco
forty Niners. We'll get to that. Pat forty has checked

(01:12:22):
in from Yahoo Sports. Will have him on. Next hour.
We'll talk about the disaster which is Tennessee all these
other hot seat coaching changes. Plus I you know what
I really what I really don't like about the college
football playoff and all the discussion about it is nobody
cares what the top four is this week? Like I
I I have no I'm not ever gonna get into

(01:12:43):
like slinging mud at ESPN and the way they do things.
You want to watch it? Watch it? Don't you wanna
watch Fox? Watch whatever? Like I can't. I can't formulate
in your mind what you should watch, what you should watch.
What I will tell you is and I've I've I
fought this fight for a long long time at all
of my spot stops. When I was at CBS and

(01:13:05):
we're getting ready for the n c A determined, I
don't talk about what what like two weeks before, what
the field's gonna look like? Who cares give me this scenario?
And what, in my opinion should happen? Right, Like, Miami
is gonna drop? Right, they lost to Pittsburgh, they should drop.
They beat one good team all year, Notre Dame, and
they beat him at home. And they survived Georgia Tech,

(01:13:27):
they survived North Carolina, They survived a couple of these games.
But whatever, like the question becomes, if Miami beats Clemson,
does that automatically put Miami in the a C C champion?
Miami is the a C champion in the College Football
Playoff and and and regardless of what I think what
should happen based like all of these coaches and whatever

(01:13:52):
and not anybody like will Wisconsin in the top four? Sure,
how the state won't be. But if how the state
beach was to they automatically go, what would let's create
all the different scenarios. Ohio State wins, Georgia will or
Auburn wins, uh, Miami wins, USC wins? Like then who goes?

(01:14:17):
That's interesting? Instead they all talk about whether who will
be in the cop for who queers Carris to the
top four this week? Doesn't matter? What matters is if
Oklahoma wins, are they in? Are they a lock? Tell
me that on TV? If Auburn wins, are they a lock? Well,
they beat Alabama, they beat Georgia, Yeah, they did so
at home. They have two road losses, including a Clemson,

(01:14:37):
So doesn't that put Clemson ahead of them? Should? But
Clemson only beat them at home and they lost the
Syracuse which infigured lost and Auburn also lost to l
s U. Like, there's a lot I will never understand,
whether it's TV producers or people on TV. Tell me
what you believe should happen in different instances next week,

(01:14:58):
Nobody cares about this week. It doesn't really matter. And
if you say it matters, I give you the Baylor
TCU from a couple of years ago when they were
both ahead of Ohio State in Ohio State blasted Wisconsin
and and leap front both of them. And now every

(01:15:22):
day in the Doug Otie, should we bring back a
portion of something was on? Dan Patrick was on, Clay
Travis Stalth kicked the coverage, Ridge eisen uh Or or
Colin Cowherd Show The Herd, or any of the shows
after ours in this case, Peter King joined Colin today.
Peter King, from the MMQB dot com website course covers

(01:15:43):
the NFL for years for Sports Wills Trade. He had
this to say about who would replace Jason Garrett if
the Cowboys coaches fired. Jerry Jones is always really like
John Gruden. If John Gruden suddenly said, ladies and gentlemen,
I'm on the market, or fizz agent comes out and
says I'm on the market, I would not put it

(01:16:03):
past Again. This is an absolute throw from left field,
but I wouldn't be shocked if Jerry was interested in
John Gruden if he's available, because he's always liked the guy. Um,
I don't even think that's that's shocking to people inside
the Cowboys organization. You go back a couple of years ago,
a couple of years ago, and all of the coaches

(01:16:25):
on the staff at some point or another had worked
for John Cruden, even even their special teenage coordinator, And
they did that because they thought Jason Garrett was going
to fail and they wanted to They want to put
him in uh. They want to put it in position
for Gruden to have no way of saying no, of
no way of turning it down. By the way, who

(01:16:47):
is the defensive coordinator. Who's the defensive coordinator of the
Dallas Cowboys, Rod Marinelli? Are you aware that he was
in Tampa when Jon Gruden was there? Like, you gotta
go through this listening like there's a lot of connections
there to Jon Gruden. So do I think? Yeah? I
do think, And I think that while Gruden may have

(01:17:10):
might might flirt with Tennessee or flirt with other college jobs,
he's only going to the only jobs he would take
are the Packers for the Cowboys and the Cowboys because
the Cowboys and because he's got guys on staff there,
and because uh, because Jerry likes him, and Jerry will
overpay him and the Packers because he was there before.
And you got Aaron Rodgers who is always gonna make

(01:17:31):
you look good. So Chim Kelly's new head coach at
u c l A. And last Wednesday on Speak for Yourself,
I said, I thought it's one of the worst jobs
in college football. So a couple of reasons. Why would
he take that instead of Florida? My guess is, it's
just a better quality of life. Here's what makes you

(01:17:52):
c l A difficult. Here's what makes it difficult. One,
it's a like USC is a really good school. Stanfords
are really good, obviously an incredible school. Uh, they're both
hard to get into. Stanford hard to get into. But
U c l A has like Cow. It's like and
even more so than Cow. It's a double edged sword.
It's hard to get into, and then it's hard to

(01:18:13):
stay in because there's no hiding. No, there's no pe degrees, right,
there's no you can't find most guys are gonna be
history majors or whatever. But you have to take like
legit classes and uh, it's a it's a very rigorous
academic setting as well. As the fact that just to

(01:18:33):
get to be a freshman you have to take calculus
in high school, which most high school football players don't
take calculus, and if they do, remember they have an
early signing period and guys in role early and very
few high school football players will have taken calculus by
December of their senior year. Makes it even more difficult.
So the calculus problem is real. Getting kids into school

(01:18:56):
is is a real problem. Keeping kids in school is
a real problem. Here's another problem. While they're now paying
him at a rate commensurate with the top coaches in
the Pac twelve. And you see, like traditionally doesn't pay coaches,
paying assistant coaches is difficult, and like, how is that
any different from USC? USC is a private school. Stanford

(01:19:18):
is a private school. What Stanford did, because it's so
expensive to live in Palo Alto, was they they built
on campus housing for their coaches that I don't know
if they live. I think they live in rent free.
So all the coaches live, their families live right there
on campus, beautiful brand new houses, and they all go
to a school while all their kids are right there.

(01:19:39):
So you eliminate the fact that it's the most expensive
place in the country live because of Silicon Valley, and
you can pay whatever you can pay a little bit
less than market rate. For USC, they give their assistant
coaches interest free loans, so that, hey, even though you
can't really afford to live in Manhattan Beach or in

(01:20:00):
Venice or wherever the West Side, when you're assistant coach
at USC and you're making two hundred five six hundred grand,
you can't because you get an interest free loan from
the school, and then you can live wherever kind of
you want within reason. U c l A is a
public school. You don't have that ability. You don't have
any on campus housing. And if you know anything about

(01:20:20):
where u c l A is located, it's crazy expensive
to live close. So you gotta live thirty forty minutes away.
Even if you're making a couple hundred grand, which sounds
it's a lot of money anywhere else on Earth, it's
not that much money in southern California. And then I
think that the last thing is um U c l
A doesn't have everybody pushing in the direction of winning
in college football. Organ does right like it worked in

(01:20:46):
organ because everybody's all in on making it work, from
the academic people, to the and the advisors, to the
strength coaches, to the administrators where U c l A.
They just want you to win. The The stadium is
an hour from campus, so you don't have the student
body just walking over to get into it. You're competing now,

(01:21:07):
not just with USC and the Lakers, but with the
Rams and the Chargers. More difficult than you think. Love
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(01:21:30):
love that he loves conditioning, but I don't know. It's
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(01:21:52):
the New Orleans Saints, Right, how about your l a Rams? Uh? Uh?
Pretty phenomenal. Uh. Pretty phenomenal turnaround, pretty phenomenal. Uh. Um boy,
there is a there's a lot to get to here. Um.

(01:22:15):
I love when people say like, oh and and Clay
Travis joined us earlier. Clay Travis likened Greg Siano to
Art Briles. That's more than a stretch, Okay. Our Briles
had more than ten players, more than ten players accused
of sexual assault while he was head coach, and then

(01:22:36):
subsequent to his firing, he did everything possible to make
himself completely unhirable as a head coach, including suing the
school who he had settled with and agreed to not
sue the school. Instead of going away, he appeared in
front of TV cameras. Uh. He questioned the he should

(01:23:00):
the credibility of accusers, like he did everything possible, whereas
Shannon hasn't done those things, nor was he in charge.
This was the twenty This is over twenty years old,
and it's somebody saying they heard somebody say something else
years ago that he might have seen something. That's what
we're going on. So before you say it's our Briles,

(01:23:20):
it's not. It's just not. Uh. Dave Fitzdale's fired because
it was his fault that Mike kindly got hurt, clearly
his fault that that there's so many injuries with the Grizzlies.
We'll get to that. Pat Ford is gonna enjoy us.

(01:23:41):
We'll talk about the mess of Tennessee and can that
be cleaned up? Plus all these other coaching jobs. H
I mean, I like, I guess the best thing about
these coach job is all these guys get paid a
bunch of money to get fired, right like Kevin someone
I read he's gonna get was it ten or twelve
million dollars in the next sixty days. That's the that's

(01:24:05):
the that's in his deal. You fire me, you gotta
pay me ten million in the next sixty days. A
great deal, no offset. So whatever coaching job he takes,
and like I think Arizona State, he'd be perfect there.
Tremendous recruiter. I personally have a great affinity for Kevin.

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He was a young assistant at at Oklahoma when I
was first doing sports radio. He was cool to me then. Um,
and he's always been cool to me since. I feel
like he's a pretty regular dude. Um. Obviously, they could
never replace Manzel. They had a turnstile issue at quarterback
and they can never figure out and A and M
getting the sec like this is what happens. Uh, Let's

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get to a couple of things. NFL wise, the the
Steelers are easily the least impressive. Even eight in two
now or nine in two, the Steels are gonna win
their division. And yet last night they very easily could
have lost to the Green Bay Packers, who have Brett
Hunley at quarterback. Going and I got confused, I was

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writing my notes. I was like, and then um, last
week they were down seventeen and three to the Indianapolis
culture who suck right like, and this is by now,
it's a trend, whether you want to say playing down
to the level of competition or maybe they're just not
that good. I mean they did some Keystone Cops things
out there defensively where you got dudes running free, like

(01:25:36):
wide open. You don't see that. And so at some
point this is kind of who you are, all right.
You're a team that runs fast and loose. You've got
a quarterback that suddenly now, um, his ability does not
match up to his reputation. And while you have two
great pieces of offense, don't get to Levian Bell and

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Antonio Round are as good as advertised. Um, But playing
fast and loose like this, that's the kind of stuff
that gets you beat in the playoff, doesn't it. And
it shouldn't and they should be better, and they should.
But how many games in the season do they have

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to be before we go? Hey? Uh? Big Ben reputation
wise is great, and he's played in big games, but
we know he holds on the ball a little bit
too long and we know where he's looking for either
Levan or Antonio Brown. If you can take them out
of the game, they're gonna let you hang around. Um.

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Do you see Duck Morons comments on on what went
wrong with the big Blake Bortles interception at the end
of the game. I mean, look, the Jaguars are exactly
who you thought they were. They're the best team with
the worst quarterback. I mean, and I feel great. I
mean for Blaine Gabbert, I could not be happier for
the dude. Don't if you know. Blaine Gabert was named

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starting quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals UM earlier today. This
is the same Blaine Gabert who, by the way, beat
out Colin Kaepernick beat out Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco,
and he was a former Jacksonville Jaguar quarterback. Like that's
a cool thing to beat your former team. But the
comments of Doug Morone are kind of comical because he's

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basically saying what we all think he's saying, which is,
we tried, you know, too hard. Look, we tried to
let our quarterback win the game for us and he's
just not capable. That's not who we are. That's not
who we are. And the Kansas City Chiefs, to me,
are the Chiefs knew who they were to start the year, right,

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Like I would point out that they installed kind of
a college scheme, and people like they always do, have
figured out the college scheme. But the biggest issue with
the Kansas City Chiefs is was and will be they
don't believe and it hasn't been proven you can win
big with Alex Smith is your quarterback. Right, That's why
they drafted a quarterback early in the first round, and

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that's why they put in a college scheme because they
know they needed to hide the fact that Alex Smith
is just not an elite level quarterback. And then you
have the San Francisco forty Niners who have figured out
how to tank and basically admit their tanking. Jimmy Garoppolo

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finally got into the game yesterday, and you look great.
Now You can say, I don't know if Jimmy Garoppolo
is going to be that good, and you might be right.
But what the reason Kyle Shanahan was hired was not
just his play calling in Atlanta, but his ability to
call plays and evaluate the most important position in all

(01:28:55):
of sports, the position of quarterback. They talked about it. Indeed,
see on how great a job he did in evaluating
Kirk Cousins and how he like Garoppolo the same. And
John lynch Is has been seeing hailed as a great
talent evaluator and they have hand selected as Garoppolo as

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their guy. But what's the what's the win in putting
him out there? You're putting him behind a bad offensive
line that has now caused two quarterbacks to get hurt.
And even if you do play well and keep him
out right and you win games, that hurts you in
the future. The Niners are smart. They're doing what the
Sixers did last year and red shirting Ben Simmons and

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playing and beat as little as possible down the stretch.
They are tanking and they don't care who knows it.
They just can't admit it. Here's Kyle Shanahan after yesterday's game.
I want to give a guy a chance to be successful,
and now we gotta do a better job of protecting him.
And you know, though, you know we did that versut
New York. We're able to be in a game or um,
we're able to be more balanced. Tried very hard to
keep this game like this, but only in the second

(01:29:59):
half got a little bit out of hand. But it
was similar to that in the first half too. So
it's a tough position to be in and you don't
want anyone to get hurt. But Jimmy will have another week.
We'll watch this tape tomorrow, work with them Monday and Tuesday,
and we'll see what happens in practice for once. Now, look,
there's not many San Francisco for Dinners fans left, but
the ones that were there cheered when C. J. Bethard
got hurt. That's I mean, like if you cheer for

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somebody to get hurt, like what, what's what's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you? Like you don't have to. You
don't have to. You don't have to feel sad because
you want you want gropp a little play, But you
can say nothing, right. What's the what's the old adage?
It's better to be your main sound, be thoughtful than

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to speak and remove all doubt. I've heard that one.
There you go, But they're one intent on the year.
They go to Chicago, take on the Bears. They go
to Houston, take on the Texans. They get the Titans
at home, they got the Jags at home. They go
to take on the Rams. Play him as little as possible.
What is the win in playing immy garoppolo? In throwing

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him out there behind a line that can't block, with
guys that can't catch. Tell me what the win is?
Some sort of confidence builder for next year? Sure? Fine?
Like your best possible opportunity for success is to get
as many high draft picks in the first and second
and third round as possible. And if you don't think

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that's a good idea, I give you the Houston Astros.
That's what they did. How'd that workout for? That's what
the seventies six ers did. How's that working out for?
That's whatever? When the NBA is doing. That's why the
NBA put in new rules. Can't sit guys tanking rules,
changing the lottery because they know sixers plan worked, and
it's gonna work. It's gonna work for whoever does it.

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Because there is no value in being just okay in
in professional sports. You're better off being really really bad.
It's one of the great things about college sports is
the end of the year, guys are still playing hard
because they're playing for next year, or they're playing for
their school, or they're just playing to win games. Because
there isn't it's the opposite. There's no reward for being

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really really bad. Pat Fordy joins us. Up coming next um,
I'll ask him about Tennessee, what a debacle? Will Chip
Kelly at u c l A work? And forget about
who's gonna be in the pools? This week we'll go
through kind of the scenarios. Who's gonna play for the

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college for the national team. What happens Alabama? They can't
play anymore, but they lost one game on the road
against their arch rival who appears to be really really good.
Does that knock them out of the college football playoff?
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M Crazy Crazy twenty four hours in college football. Right Like, um, look,
I'm not gonna say I know nearly as much about coaching,

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hirings and firings as Pat Ford. He's gonna join us
from Yahoo Sports. But about a month and a half ago, Um,
I was watching Ohio State play and they started talking
about Greg Siano, and I was like, Greg Shiano is
gonna get a head coat one of his big head
coaching jobs, and he did a great job building up
Rutgers from nothing to something. He went to the NFL.
Now he's back with Ohouse State. They got a dominant defense.

(01:34:59):
Urban Meyer um is as respected a college football coach
as there is anywhere in the country. And his guys
only leave getting head good head coaching jobs look around
the country like Rutgers, and since that like, those are
all his guys, So it just it like made sense
to me. And then I reached out via text to
a couple of search firm guys I know, and I

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was like, Shiano, good candidate, like great candidate. And so
when when I heard he was in for the Tennessee job,
I was like, oh, that makes sense. And then Dan
Molina Florida made sense. Why Scott Strickland's the A D
at Florida. He used to be the A D at
Mississippi State. You go a Florida's a better job in
the Mississipi State. Plus you have somebody who you've worked
with before. That's a big part of this whole thing.
You have to go with somebody you've worked with before

(01:35:41):
that you tru there's a trust in there with that.
The eighties got your back, and boy did Tennessee violate
that trust because I mean within minutes of Tennessee and
being leaked that they were uh, they agreed to a
deal with Shiano. The knives came out and it started
with people thinking he was a bad fit to suddenly

(01:36:03):
people thinking that he knew everything that Jerry said Dusky
was doing. Let's welcome in Pat forty, national calumnist, college
calumnist for Yahoo's Sports. Um, what did you initially? What
do you think of the Shiano higher? I thought it
was fine, you know, I didn't necessarily think it was
a home run. But yeah, like for the reasons you said,

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I thought that he was going to get a job,
and it would be a pretty good job. At Tennessee
is a pretty good job, maybe the seventh best in
the SEC. Uh. And you know I thought I thought
it was you know, it's all fairly logical and uh.
And then you know, everything just got absolutely blown up.
And as you said, this, this started very much as

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that we think, we don't think he's a very good coach,
and we don't think he fits here. And then there
was this straw man argument that was built up to
justify literally running him out of town before he got
to town. Umm, So how much of this ship comes
down to the coaching and how much of this comes

(01:37:08):
down to the Penn stage stuff? I would say more
of it. And I can't give you like a scientific
breakdown of it or anything like that. I haven't pulled anybody,
but but yeah, I think that there was more people
that think this isn't the guy that can beat Georgia
and when the SEC east and compete against Nick Saban
than anything else. Uh. And that was certainly the the

(01:37:30):
initial reaction from people, and then all of a sudden,
the the Penn State Sandusky stuff comes out, and then
all of a sudden you get what I thought was
very much false indignation and righteousness from a lot of
people using that as the excuse for why we don't
want this guy here, when that really wasn't the excuse
for a lot of them. So there might be sure

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there are some people I'm sure that felt like, you know,
Tennessee has gone through enough stuff on the field off
the field, but they don't want anyone with any baggage.
But is it really baggage? That's the thing, you know.
I mean, Ohile State certainly doesn't think he has baggage.
The Attorney General, which investigated everything about the Sandusky thing,

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never investigated whether or not Sciano has any baggage related
to this. It is never stuck anywhere. So you know,
I think this was very much a trumped up issue.
It's Doug otlib show Fox Sports Trading. I agree with you,
and like, look what what I think happened is the
overreaction to the the frankly overreaction. He's going to make

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it a place to where nobody wants to go work.
Why would anybody? Why? Why would anybody want to go
work there? When they ran Butch Jones out of town
and now all of a sudden they're running Greg Siano
out of town before he ever takes the job there.
I sure wouldn't if I were a head coach that
had options. Um, if I were the agent of a

(01:38:57):
head coach who had options, I would tell him this
should be your last option. Because the folks done there crazy,
quite frankly, and they they thought that they were gonna
get Jon Gruden, and they think they're gonna get somebody
who's gonna leave a great job to come in there.
It's not gonna happen Tennessee has a losing record over
a decade now sixty two and sixty three. It is
not the program that it was when full Fulmer had

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it going in the late ninety nineties and in the
early two thousands. Things have changed, Things have declined, things
have deteriorated. And to have this expectation, you know that
all these coaches are just gonna be lined up waiting
to go to Tennessee. I think it's completely wrong. And
now I think they've made it even worse. Doug Outland Show,
Fox Port Traiti So who gets the job? I don't know,

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you know, I mean the names I have heard floated
out there range from Mike Gundee to Jeff Bram, to
David Cutcliffe to Mike leach Um. You know, I personally,
I would be surprised if if Mike Gundee went there.
Uh you know, I know he's he's got a good
thing at his alma mater at Oklahoma State. I know

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this season didn't end the way they wanted it to.
Maybe there's some fatigue there. I don't I don't know. Uh,
Jeff Bram did good work at Western Kentucky, had very
good work this year at perdue, but he's he's only
been a Ford one year. Does he want to turn
around and leave again? Mike Leach doesn't come baggage free.
If you remember how he left Texas Tech David Cutlip

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was sixty three years old. You know, I'm not sure
any of these are are slam dunk options, and I
don't know whether any of them want the job. Pat
fordy joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh, it's
so how to me? I feel like and tell me
if I'm if I'm taking this uh to be too
big a thing. I kind of feel like this does
irreparable harm to Shiana right, like like now a sudden,

(01:40:48):
it's like, wait, wait a second, Uh, they didn't want
to hire Shianna. They backed away. They somebody must know
something now we can't. You know how this stuff works, right?
It spreads like wildfire. If those students can react in
such a way to Shiano getting the job, our students
can react in such a way, and we don't want that.
Our boosters can react like I feel like they just

(01:41:09):
killed this guy's career as a potential future head coach.
Am I am I taking this story to be too big? No?
I think that's exactly the way I would view it too,
that this could be almost a death sentences for his
hopes of being a head coach again, which you know,
given given what exactly this is based on, you know,
a couple of sentences of double hearsay testimony. I I mean,

(01:41:31):
I I think it's it's kind of horrifying because but
I I agree with you that they're gonna be athletic
directors that will be very, very reticent, I think too
even take on the possibility of that kind of backlash.
And if you're Greg Siano, you've gotta be sitting there
saying this is unbelievable. I went from having a memoranum

(01:41:51):
of understanding that I was gonna be the coach to
being out there to maybe being out forever as far
as as a head coach. Maybe he can find a
program where they will be more willing to stand up
for him. But I would be very concerned if I
were him going forward. Stud gotlib show Fox Sports Radio.
That's the voice of Pat Forty, who's a national calumnist

(01:42:12):
for Yahoo Sports. Look, Um, I know there's all these
coaching jobs open, and those are super interesting. Let me
just talk about one that's closed up. Um Chip Kelly
got the u c l A job. I think Florida
is a better job. I think U c l A
is a much harder job than people who aren't from
Los Angeles, who don't know the u c system even realized,
you know, hiring assistant coaches. It's hard because it's expensive

(01:42:34):
to live anywhere near campus. Uh, it's hard to get
kids in school and keep kids in school. Then some
other major college football programs, there's no stadium right next
to the school, so it's hard to get students, uh
to go to the games. You have all these issues,
but Southern California has got a bunch of money, and
his system has worked in the West Coast. Do you
think ultimately it works at u c l A. I

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think it's got a great chance, maybe the best chance
in a long time since Terry Donoghue. Real you know,
and I mean, yeah, obviously you're very plugged into how
things work in the dynamics in Southern California, and all
those uh examples that you gave are are certainly reasonable concerns.
But you know, I still I would look at it
and say, you know, the with the with the facility

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upgrades with the commitments that have made there, with the
the recruiting grounds there, Uh, there, there's not many reasons
I would think where that you can't do a lot
better than U c l A has traditionally done. So
I think they've got an absolute proven rock star coach,
uh that it is going to be able to recruit

(01:43:39):
very well to that system, and I think they've got
a chance to have as much success as U c
l A has had in a long long time. Alright, uh,
um m, Alabama loses to Aubor. Now, Look, it's not
good to lose your last game that you played. But
we've seen teams loser last game that they've played and

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and still get into the We've seen him get into
the BCS. It happened with Oklahoma. They lost to Kansas
State in the Big Tall Championship game. Right, it has
happened before their number one and they loose to their
arch rival, who's a top ten team, gonna be a
top four team on the road. Um, what are the
scenarios by which you think Alabama gets into the College

(01:44:21):
football Playoffs? Yeah, I think there's certainly are scenarios that exist.
I think they've still got a pretty decent chance at it. Uh.
You know, then obviously the winner of the SEC championship
game is going to the playoffs. The winner of the
a SEC Championship game is going to the playoff most likely. Obviously,
if Oklahoma wins the Big Twelve, it is going to
the playoffs. And so then what happens to that fourth spot?

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If you're Alabama, you root like heck for Ohio State
to be Wisconsin, because I think that Alabama's resume, while
it is not great, there's not a classic Alabama resume,
but it's it's still I think it's better than Ohio States.
I think it would stand up under scrutiny against the
the buck Eyes if it came down to those two
from that position. So that's I think the most realistic

(01:45:05):
way for Alabama to get in is to see uh
Alabama or I'm sorry to see Ohio State beats um
uh Wisconsin. Now, you they would certainly take it if
TC you were to upset Oklahoma, but I think that's
less likely to happen. So yeah, so so you'd have
to have TC. So right now, you think winner of
the A c C gets in winner of the Big Ten,

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unless it's Ohio State gets in Oklahoma, assuming they win,
gets in right, and then the winner of the SEC
gets in. Yes, so you put in Miami, who has one,
who would have at that point two good wins one
Notre Dame at home to Clemson a neutral site, ahead
of Alabama or even Clemson who they would beat Auburn

(01:45:52):
but have a loss to Syracuse. You'd put them both
in ahead of over them. I would I put them
ahead ahead Clemson because they would have beaten them head
to head on the neutral field. It's really not of
a neutral field. It's at Charlotte. That's gonna be a
wash in Clemson fans. Uh. And then yeah, you know what,
I think beating Clemson would be the trump card Clemson.
You know, it will probably be be number one when

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the rankings come out tomorrow night. If not, there'll be
no lower than number two. So if you win that game,
I think that that gives you something that Alabama could
not compare to. You know, Alabama's best win right now
is LSU at home. Uh, they beat Mississippi State on
the road, but there's not a much else after that.
You know, they've played a lot of bad SEC teams,

(01:46:33):
so they've got uh their resume, Like I said, is
not your typical bulletproof Alabama resume. Yeah. I mean, look,
they did beat Florida State before Florida State lost Francois.
I know, that's a really hard calculus to make. Um,
they did beat l s U, the same team that
beat Auburn. You know, I just that's that's a that's

(01:46:55):
a hard one to say. And then of course when
I even talk about Wisconsin, like Wisconsin could go unefeated
lou Is one game and they wouldn't get in and
none of us think wisconsinine belongs in. Is there scenario
to which USC gets in US. As a matter of fact,
I just wrote today, it would require a Hollywood plots switch.
I mean, there will be a lot of things that
would have to happen. I think they would have to

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drop like fifty or sixty on Stanford. They would have
to convince the committee that hey, we were injured when
we were losing before, we're more healthy. Now look at
what we've done. Uh, And they would need they would
need a lot of other teams to lose. I think,
you know, it would have to boil down to basically
a resume contest against like an Ohio State, which would

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also have two losses, and one on would be to
Iowa being blown out, whereas USC blowout was to a
better team against Notre Dame. Uh So, it's it's it's
a chance, but it's a really slim chance at this point.
All right. That's the voice of Pat forty Pat great stuff.
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sal Join. I'll give you my thoughts on on on
what we're going to see from Dak Prescott in the
very near future. But first let's get you to Steve
the Stagger who's in for Dan Buyer, Steve what he
got for me. Let's start with college football. Ohio State
quarterback j. T. Barrett, who had the bad name last weekend,
is probable for Saturday night's Big Ten title game against
Wisconsin on Fox TV. Texas tackle Connor Williams is going

(01:48:41):
pro and we'll skip the Long Horns Bowl game. Rice
fired head coach Dave Bayless, Rutgers gave coach Chris Asha
new five year contract. B Y You fired Ty Deptmer
as offensive coordinator. The new England Patriots Martellis Bennett tight end.
We'll go on injured reserve. Carolina star tight end Greg
Olsen's sore foot is okay after test today. He just
returned yesterday after missing eight games. The Browns will likely

(01:49:04):
activate wide receiver Josh Gordon by Friday, according to the
Cleveland dot Com, and he would play Sunday in l
A against the Chargers. Seattle announced that safety Cam Chancellor
will not return this year. Neck injury. Broncos quarterback Paxton Lynch,
with a high ankle sprain, will miss two to four weeks.
Tampa Bay quarterback Jamis Winston, with a bad shoulder in
the past, will be cleared for football activities on Wednesday,

(01:49:26):
as long as he's not sore from rehab. The Monday
night football matchup Houston at Baltimore. The Ravens started the
season two and oh then they lost four out of five.
Did win at Green Bay last weekend. Tonight in the NBA,
the Calves, who won seventh straight, play at Philadelphia Phillies.
Young Ben Simmons, who had a sore elbow miss Saturday's game,
will play tonight, and the Memphis Grizzlies, who've lost eight straight,

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fired head coach David Fizdale. Back to you, Steve dis Seger.
You'll hear from in moments and we'll get to the
press on the Doug Gottlieb Show. You know what's up.
What's what's gonna be interesting at the end this NFL
season is um is what happens like this is crazy.
Jason Witten was asked if he was going to leave

(01:50:08):
the Cowboys for the Tennessee job. Um. Coaching is something
I see myself doing down the road, one of those opportunities.
But right now I'm all in with this team. My
feet are planted here, and the opportunity that I have
in two thousand seventeen to get it right this week,
that's amazing. Whitten's thirty five years old. Do I think
he did a good job. I actually do. But again

(01:50:30):
I was the one who thought I would do a
good job at Oklahoma State. Um, and Whitten's only like
six years younger than me. Like, either you know ball
or you don't know ball, and you surround yourself with
guys that, uh know what you don't know. But obviously
you go from Shianna, who has built a program the
college football, Like, there's lots of things you have to
know about building a program, so um not no fascinating,

(01:50:57):
Gonna be fascinating to watch what happens there, but like
what happens with Dak Prescott is going to be interesting
because we can talk, uh, we can talk all around it,
you know, when Dak has talked about you know now uh,
you know, proving people, proving the critics wrong. Yet again, like, look,
they've lost three games row. They have not scored ten

(01:51:19):
points in any of those games. And it is not
all his fault. He hasn't had Zeke Elliott, hasn't his
best weapon. Des isn't as good as he used to be.
Whitten isn't as good as used to be. The offensive
line isn't as good as it used to be. And
these are non excuses. These are explanations, but it's also

(01:51:40):
fair to say that Dak Prescott isn't as good as
some were led to believe. He is still a second
year quarterback, but it's not like he's somebody who can
save the season. Like I think, we're going around around
in circles and we're talking about adjustments and you have
to adjust and you have to evolve, and you have
to what if the guy is just not good enough
to do that. It's like people have asked Doug Marron

(01:52:04):
why he's Everybody knows why Doug Moron is so committed
to running the football because he has a quarterback who
can't throw it to the right team and stands the
reason that the Dallas Cowboys would like to be one
that would turn their team over to Dak Prescott, but
they don't think he's good enough. Otherwise they would they
wouldn't run a ball control passing game unless they thought

(01:52:25):
that Dak couldn't do one on his own. And this
is second year in second year in the NFL. Is hard. Look,
they got the Redskins at home on Sunday Night Football.
That's a standalone game. They've had a standalone game against
the Chargers, it didn't go well. Now they still have

(01:52:45):
the Giants on the road who have been putting up
a fight but don't appear to be good. The Raiders
who are dysfunctional, although still fairly competitive. Seahawks at home
at Eagles, but the Eagles could be shutting it down
by then. So these are all winnable games for them,
but they're also all losable, especially in Dallas, with things
go bad in a hurry. I don't know if the

(01:53:07):
Dallas Cowboys will make the playoffs. I do know this,
by the end of the year, you'll know if you
have your future quarterback or just a guy as a
placeholder for the Cowboys. Adversity exposes stuff. One fan base
in the NFL was holding out hope for their quarterback
of the future yesterday's show there might not meet much

(01:53:29):
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jacked up about the Steelers, and I know I should like, like,

(01:53:52):
look the comparison of the Steelers to for example, the Vikings.
Vikings have a much better defense. But like it's hard
for you to buy into Case Kenom as opposed to
Ben Roethlisberger. But like, based upon performance, I should buy
into Case Keenom instead of Ben Roethlisberger. Correct, The Case
Keenom Ben Roethlisberger thing is a lot, you know what

(01:54:12):
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when Hunday's first came out? Yeah, no, boy, no, right,
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now if you look at Hundai's they of course you're
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of kind of their highest end luxury car, and like
you're like rolling your eyes, Like when Tiger Woods was
supposedly driving a buble, You're like, a sure, right, but
they're actually really really nice. But it's hard when your

(01:54:54):
brand and the value of that brand has been established,
it's just hard. And Case has been a backup quarterback
up until now. Even his own coach, Mike Zimmer still
kind of treats him like the backup quarterback waiting for
Teddy Bridgewater, waiting for Sam Bradford to get healthy, whereas
Ben Roethlisberger is kind of like a Mercedes Benz. But

(01:55:17):
I don't know if you remember, like Mercedes Benz went
through a time there where they were combined with dal
Mar Chrysler and their build quality was not the greatest,
and so like you know, when you get the high end,
you're like, am I really gonna even if it's ten thousand? Now?
Am I gonna spend five ten dollars less than get
a Hundai instead of a Bend? Like a Ben's is

(01:55:37):
a Benz, But at some point, like there's a value
in to get again really nice hunday for less. I
don't know. I watched the Steelers and I want, I
want to think this is an elite team, this is
one that can beat the Patriots, but they just let

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Music with the Press. I'm not a music guy, all right, Clay,
we had you on the show earlier. That's enough out
of you, all right, Let's get to some of the
NBA news of the day. You talked about this earlier, Doug.
The Grizzlies have fired their head coach David Fizdale after
they fell to seven and twelve on the season. Their
general manager Chris Wallace said, quote, after a thorough investigation,
I decided a change in course was necessary to move

(01:56:42):
forward and provide the team an organization with its best
chance to win at at success this season and beyond. Yeah,
so you put JB. Bickerstaff in charge. And I like JB.
But JB is um you know, he's just a different
version of is. Fizz is longtime assistant Fizz. By the way,
I grew up in southern California. I grew up playing

(01:57:04):
He's a little bit older than me playing against Dave
Fizzdale like him a great deal. Of course, he's assistant
on those heat championship teams. JB. Bickers, JB Bickerstaff's uh,
you know, his dad obviously a long time NBA coach.
But it's not like JB like he's reinventing the wheel.
I mean, they've had all kinds of guys injured. They
get back healthy, they'll be better. Um. I think the

(01:57:25):
Grizzlies are having a tough time except in the fact
that they're the Grizzlies. Does this have Do you think
that players have been saying something for weeks and then
this whole thing with Marc Gasol that just happened yesterday
was sort of the final straw, because I can't imagine
that like just because Marc Gasol gets upset after one
loss because he got bench there, like you know what,
let's just get rid of the coach. No, no no, no, no,
no, no no. Look, I think that he's probably tried a

(01:57:48):
bunch of different stuff. Like look in the game in
which they were talking about they made a big comeback.
They weren't playing well against the nets, they made a
big comeback, and he chose to stick with those guys
instead of going back to the starters, which a lot
of coaches will do. The problem is you're a young
head coach, um, and you look the problem with the
NBA is in order to own the locker room and
to survive a loving in this Streek, you have to

(01:58:08):
have won a title the Pro But the catch twenty
two is you have to have one a time. In
order to win a title, you have to own the
locker room. Right. So it's just really really hard. And
when he didn't play in the NBA and Dave Bisdale
was a good player in college, it was a good
player in high school. It's a long time, but you
don't have that certain swag and he doesn't have the

(01:58:28):
you know, he's like a spoulster guy. It's not like
he walks in and he's pat Riley Hard. Let's go
to the NFL. What seemed like Broncos fans might have
been holding out for hope was their quarterback Paxton Lynch,
and that hope may be gone. Uh. Their head coach
Van's Joseph said Paxson Lynch will be out for the
next two to four weeks for an ankle sprain. But
while he was in this past weekend, it didn't look good.

(01:58:51):
Nine for fourteen, only forty one yards, zero touchdowns and
one interception. Trevor Simeons scheduled to start Week thirteen against
the Dolphins. This is what quarterback purgatory looks. This what
like they made a bad decision. Pasionally it's not good enough.
They saw him the preseason. If you saw him the preseason,
you're like, dude, I don't think he's good enough. They
knew what they were doing there. There's a reason they
kept sticking Simeon out there, and they tried, uh brock Oswiler,

(01:59:12):
you know, and I know he wasn't healthy, but passion
Lynch isn't good enough. And I would I would guess
there's a chance that all three of these guys aren't
in Denver next year. Wow, just a full clearing of
house and just the quarterbacks. People have wondered advanced Joseph's
job is going to be on the line after only
one season. With how badly this has gotten, now, let's
go having gone well, definitely not sticking with the NFL.

(01:59:34):
Maybe an ending to what was a really weird story.
Martellis Bennett actually placed on the injured reserve with the Patriots.
Remember this was weird because of the way things ended
in Green Bay not disclosing injuries. But then he shows
up in New England and actually played a little bit.
Now due to what is both a hamstring and a
shoulder injury, will be on the injured reserve for the
remainder of the season. H h, that's not good. Yeah,

(02:00:00):
it's a hamstring, hannishoulder. That's correct, It is a hamstre
gonna shoulder. The whole drama in Green Bay was sort
of surrounding his shoulder, but according to Ian rapp Report
of NFL Network, he was saying the move is due
more to the hamstring, but the shoulder is an issue
which has led to the injured reserve. I look, I'm
sure there's lots of packers and packer fans and packer personnel.
They'll be like hashtag karma, right, Like there's the guy

(02:00:21):
who ripped our doctors, who said our doctor put him
out there when he wasn't healthy, didn't believe him, and
then all of a sudden he gets clear to play
for the Patriots and there's like nothing wrong with the shoulder.
Didn't have to be surgically right. And so like, you
don't wish bad you don't wish bad things upon anybody.
No NFL players wishes injury upon another. But that was
when you hear Packer players come out and they didn't

(02:00:43):
crush him, but they wholeheartedly supported their team. Doctor, you
knew what they meant. Let's get to some college football here, you.
CEF head coach Scott Frost declined to give any declarative
statements on his future, but today, when prepping for his
a C title game and the media parents, he said, quote,
I'd be hurt if Nebraska wasn't interested in me. Were undefeated.

(02:01:06):
I'm from there. When you win a lot, people are
interested in you. Kind of weird. That's not weird. That's
a perfect that's the perfect statement. What's the matter with
that statement? I just think if you're getting ready for
a conference title game, you would just reality of it.
What is he supposed to say? I supposed to be
seeing one of these guys would be like, no, no,
He's like, look, I played in Nebraska. I was a
great player at Nebraska. Nebraska needs a coach, and I'm

(02:01:27):
coaching an undefeated team of I would hope they're interested
in me. I think that's the perfect answer. What are
you supposed to say? No comment? I would just say,
right now, I'm the head coach at UCF. Cliche, I
actually like the fact that he said, like I'd be
I'd be mad if they didn't if they didn't like me.
All right, agree to disagree and we'll get the last
college football note here, there was an interesting story about

(02:01:49):
j T. Barrett getting injured on the sideline before the game.
Urban Meyer said he wanted a quote all out investigation.
The university has spoken. Their athletic director Jean Smith said
today we are not doing a full blown investigation to
find the photographer, but we are looking at the way
things happened that led up to that. And my guess
is he had hurt his knee previously and they probably

(02:02:09):
knew it, and then he retweaked it during the game. Right,
here's the thing about j T. Barrett. Has there ever
been a more overrated, overhyped player. He gets hurt, they
win a national championship. That's a couple of years ago, Right,
he gets hurt, they come from behind and beat Michigan. Like,
I get it. He's a great kid, he's a good leader.
He's not a great quarterback. It's a great system. He

(02:02:31):
fits in quite well to that system. Let's not kill
ourselves over how awesome JT. Barrett is as a player.
Even though he's awesome as a person, bag it out
there and pressed that was the press, right, like he like.
Cardinal Jones is the third string quarterback and j T.
Barrett gets hurt and they win their three biggest games
of the year. So fascinating to see who plays this

(02:02:53):
weekend for Ohio State and wouldn't be apropos if they
won a national championship without him. Brad Stevens joins US
tomorrow orrow. That's right, Brent stephensons tomorrow on The Dog
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