Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: 11/27/2017

Doug breaks down the bizarre situation with Tennessee deciding to not hire Greg Schiano as their head football coach. He explains why he thinks the 49ers are doing the right thing by not playing quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. And Clay Travis from Outkick The Coverage on FOX Sports Radio joins the show to discuss how the Tennessee and Schiano situation unfolded. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Oo, what off America Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio post Thanksgiving? Which means that these are
the only college football games that matter. Apparently, Um, we
continue to watch the Steelers be unimpressive, wall record wise,

(00:25):
dominant in the National Football League, a wild slate of
incredibly and increasingly boring NFL games, Duke wins in college
both but the future is obviously bright for their young
star Derrick Rose wishy washy on whether or not he
wants to play basketball anymore. And yet none of that

(00:48):
is the story of the day. We'll get to Tennessee,
the debacle of Tennessee and frankly, the embarrassment of one
of my colleagues who will join us, Clay Travis, who
I greatly did agree with his tactics over the weekend
which led to Greg Ciano getting and then getting uninvited
to Tennessee. Um, we'll get to what Tennessee is the

(01:13):
perception of who Greg Ciano maybe and all that's going
down at Tennessee in moments. Uh I just I continued
to be completely underwhelmed by the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, Brett
Hunley is not good. How do I know? I have
over a month of data to tell me he's not good?

(01:35):
And yet he was made at times to look very good.
And yet there they were needing Antonio Brown to not
make game saving miraculous plays and a fifty three yard
field goal to beat them in Pittsburgh. And so this

(01:59):
is one of those Pittsburgh playing with fire. Pittsburgh's going
to have maybe home field advantage throughout or maybe home
field advantage up until they take on the New England Patriots.
But the nightcap last night, even with the wind, told
us all you need to know about the Pittsburgh Steelers.
The reason they lost to the Bears, the reason they

(02:20):
nearly lost to the Browns, the near the reason they
had to come from seventeen three back to beat the
Indianapolis Colts, is the same reason that they nearly lost
to the Green Bay Packers without Aaron Rodgers, who are
widely regarded as a one man team and didn't have
that one man. It's the same reason that Jacksonville Jaguars
lost yesterday in Arizona. The Jags are who we thought

(02:42):
they were. The only difference is the Packers could not
keep the Steelers on the hook. I told you Dak
Prescott was in for a long season. I told you
a long time ago that Tony Romo was the last
was the right selection last year coming off of injury.
Tony almost a better quarterback today than Dak Prescott is today.

(03:04):
And that's getting exposed. And anybody denying that isn't paying attention.
Now all of a sudden, they're mad at the adjustments
in the play calling, and no one is pointing the
finger at deck. DAC is still impervious to it. If
you read reports in Dallas, people like they're not making
the adjustments. That's because they can't. They have a quarterback
who is incapable of of doing anything other than being

(03:26):
a game manager, which, by the way, is what D'Angelo
Alexander told us. De Angel Williams, Sorry, D'Angelo Williams told
us he's gonna join us later on the show. D'
angel Williams, of course, former Steeler running back for Carolina
Panther running back. Um, I hate instant replay because it
has completely changed how we view what a catch is. Sorry,

(03:48):
Austin Sepharian Jenkins, who has lost a second game changing
touchdown reception to the folks in New York City. But
I continue to be impressed, in pressed by the job
that Todd Bowles has done with the Jets. Yeah, and
that's really what we get to with Tennessee, Like, how

(04:10):
are you going to relate Todd Bowls, the head coach
of the Jets, to Greg Shiano. Okay, do you Rama's
is sick today? Sorry, Romo's You're sick. Should have brought
you some Jewish penicillin. You Jewish Penicilla's right, check. That
would have been good to have. Listen, You've got a
little smelly cat thing going right now. You got everybody

(04:32):
know what smelly cat is you guys watch friends. Remember
Phoebe she got she got sick, and she sang smelly
cat and she had a deeper, more horsey, kind of
bluesy voice, and she liked it so much. Anytime somebody
walked into the coffee toffee shop, she'd kiss them so
that she can continue to have that bluesy voice. Ramos

(04:55):
sounds like a like a like bb King right now,
the late great Baby King. I look at Todd Bowles
and I am really impressed by their four and six
record that team plays hard. That team gives every gets
everything they possibly can out of their talent. If you
don't have Tom Brady, if you don't have any can

(05:19):
anyone name how many wide receivers? How many players for
the Jets can you name on the offensive side of
the ball, how many? Even people who play fantasy football,
You're like, man, I really struggle with this. I mean,
the only reason they got Austin's Ferry and Jenkas was
he had two d U I s with the Tampay Buccaneers. Right.

(05:39):
So I look at the Jets and I'm like, that's
coached the year stuff. And while you may say I'm
crazy because they're below five, I look at the loss
of the Dolphins by three, the Falcons by five, the
Buccaneers by five, the Panthers by a touchdown but one
to which there was the Answers by a touchdown, but

(06:01):
wonder which Austin's Verry and Jenkins caught a ball which
looked like it was a catch, only to later be
ruled not a catch. And I'm like, that team is
fighting for their dear lives and they've lost five out
the last six games. That's basically what Greg Ciano did
when he took over Rutgers. I don't know if Greg
Ciano is good guy or bad guy. I don't know.

(06:21):
I do know that, uh, he ruled with an iron fist.
He had very much ah a college football mentality. When
he was in Tampa with the Buccaneers, he wanted every
room at sixty eight degrees, which, by the way, I
can kind of get behind. Do you guys remember that story.
When he got fired by the Buccaneers, one of the
criticism was he was he was controlled, they freak about everything.

(06:44):
He wanted every room at sixty eight degrees exactly. I
actually don't think that's unreasonable. Sixty eight is the new
seventies seventies room temperature, but that's a warm room. I
like sixty eight. Matter of fact, I like sixty five
when I sleep. Don't you like if I can see
my breath when I sleep? Oh, it's even better see
my breath and then have really really comfortable expensive sheets

(07:07):
and then some comforter that's super super soft and a
great pillow. Alright, I'm sleeping on my Casper mattress with
with a great comforter at sixty two hell fifty six degrees.
I'm good. I want to see just just above freezing
and then wrap myself in blankets or wearing some new sweats. Oh,

(07:28):
it's incredible, Like like, did you ever think about Rutgers
football before? And the only thought since he left was
they were they were a great punchline to every football joke.
He built them from nothing to something and then left
after a decade to go to the NFL. And he

(07:50):
didn't work out in the NFL. And so he's a
defensive coordinator with the Ohio State buck Eyes and they
have had a very good defense with a very young
defensive backfield. But regardless, there's a guy who knows how
to build a program, knows how to lead a program,

(08:12):
and has been in has been associated with a couple
of very good college fooall programs and a couple of
very good NFL teams before taking over with Rutgers and
since taken since losing his job with the Tampa by Buccaneers.
And so what happened in Tennessee was, by my estimation,
they had, like most fans, they had visions of grandeur.

(08:34):
We're gonna get Gruden. If we don't get Gruden, we're
gonna get Dan Monk because we're Tennessee We're one of
the great programs of all time, and yet not realizing
how they treated every coach since Philip Fomer, and maybe
even including Philip Fomer and all the infighting that took
place in that place, Like, these coaches are not idiots.

(08:54):
I know you think they're idiots because they might have
a PE degree, but they're not. And Tennessee today is
the sorry for the term. They're the psycho chick. You know,
the psycho chick, the one that starts texting you late

(09:16):
hours the night, hitting on you, and at first you're like, man,
she's kind of dirty, she's kind of sexy. I can't
believe how into me she is. And then the second
you go like, let me just take a step back,
she starts to go crazy, slashes your tires, puts things
out on Facebook about you. They're like, whoa, stay uh way,

(09:42):
stay away. How you fire people is going to be discussed,
not just in the media but in the profession. Lane
kiffins there one year he did a phenomenal job recruiting
and he left to go to a better job at
USC and they burned him in effigy. Then they hired

(10:04):
Derek Dooley, who probably was in over his head. But
the level of hatred, the level of spite, you don't
think other coaches realized that. Then they hired Butch Jones again,
another guy i'd be in over his head. And I
think it was probably silly how he mentioned that they

(10:25):
were champions of life, but I believe they last seven
defensive starters during the year last year to injury, playing
a ridiculously difficult schedule. And his point was, look at
all the over adversity we overcame just to have the
season we had. But the way in which that was received,
because Tennessee hadn't competed for a national championship, was if
he said that losing was a good thing, and that

(10:47):
wasn't what he received. Look, Tennessee, you're a bunch of lunatics. Everything.
People make fun of Texas A and M for assuming
you can win a national championship or compete for a
national championship when you've won one in my entire lifetime
is ridiculous. You're ridiculous. And so they hire Shiano, who

(11:13):
isn't from the area, doesn't have ties, hadn't yet had
a chance to put together a staff or even have
a press conference, and they went after him because of
his association with Penn State and because his name was
in an unsealed document in a civil claim saying that
Tom Bradley, a former assistant and defensive coordinator at Penn State,

(11:35):
had heard something. But this was hearsay from the voice
of Mike mcquerie. Now, look, my stance on Penn State
has always been this. I believe that Joe Paterno was
alerted to an investigation into Jerry Sandusky and the initial
investigation in How do I know that Because I've lived

(11:56):
on a college campus. My dad was a former head
coach in college. My brother has been a long time
since and coach for twenty five years. In college, you
fart on campus, they smelt in the coach's office. So
if the defensive coordinate your Penn State is being investigated
for child molestation by the local cops, you damn well
better be sure that Joe Paterno knows about the Other
part you need to understand, though, is that Jerry Sandusky

(12:19):
wasn't just a liar and a pedophile. He was obviously
a very convincing liar at a pedophile. How do I
know that? Because he had a charity for boys to
come from disadvantaged homes. He had everybody duped, So the

(12:40):
the most the strongest likely scenario is Paterno heard about
the investigation as Sandusky about it, and Sandusky lied to
him and was convincing enough to keep his job when
nothing came of the initial investigation. When the second claims

(13:01):
came up and mcquery walked in on him, that was
when Paterno had to act and said, hey, dude, you
gotta find a way to retire because I can't have
this around my program. But he couldn't let it become
public because he had learned of the accusations two years
in the past, and Joe Paterno was likely pot committed.

(13:23):
Do I know that that Giano didn't didn't know? I
don't neither do you. But Ohio State has believed his
story enough to when they asked him about it, Jeane
Smith did nothing and allowed him to stay on staff.
But what has happened in the last twenty four hours

(13:46):
has done irreparable harm to Greg Siano. And I don't
know if he's a good guy bad guy. I don't
know if he's a good fit bad fit, But going
after a guy because you wanted Jon Gruden, who wasn't coming,
You wanted Dan Mullen, who wasn't coming, and instead you
ended up with a wild widely respected former head football

(14:10):
coach that had, like Todd Bowles, done more with less
at Rutgers and built them into kind of a powerhouse
in New Jersey. For leaving for the NFL because you
didn't like him, going character assassination on him because of
his very, very faint possible links to one of the
grossest worst stories in the history of college sports is embarrassing.

(14:37):
And I like Clay Travis. I like his show. I
like the honesty by which he goes after some of
these stories, but I feel like he was a part
of a story which is all too similar to the
stories that he on a daily or weekly basis. Makes

(14:58):
fun of rilling up people on social media because it
gets their feelings. It gets that gets their emotions going
when you have no facts to back it up. It
was a coupe deta in Knoxville the a d S.

(15:20):
John Curry is gonna lose his job and they're probably
gonna hire t Martin, who doesn't even call plays his
offensive coordinator at USC but was a Tennessee legend. He
was the quarterback after Peyton Manning who helped win Tennessee
their only national championship in the modern era of college football.
That's what happened. Be sure to catch live editions of

(15:41):
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. I really don't like what Clay Travis has
done over the past twenty four hours. I can still
consider him a friend and a colleague. Like He's not
gonna like everything I do. I'm not gonna like everything
he does, but I think that he is, in fact,
like all of us on different platforms, we have a

(16:02):
certain amount of power that we wield. What's interesting about
this one is Clay lives in Nashville, is an alum
of Michigan and Vanderbilt, and yet really loves or seems
to love to talk about and pay attention to Tennessee football.
To that part, I I really don't understand. Clay Travis
hosts the show called out Kick the Coverage. It's on

(16:22):
six to nine am Eastern time here on Fox Sports
Radio or on uh serious XM channel. I think two
oh two or two oh three, Clay, what what channels
it on? On Serious sex h we actually are on
two different one Serious to eighteen and x M two
oh two. And I appreciate the intro. You're a buddy
of mine, and I think one of the strengths of

(16:43):
frankly the best sports talk or radio lineup in the
history of of the medium, in my opinion, is that
everybody doesn't agree. Um and uh. And just because you disagree,
as I always tell my wife, although it doesn't always work,
doesn't mean that you have to fight over something. And
so we just have fundamentally different opinions on this story,

(17:04):
in this situation. Okay, so um, let's first, why do
you care so much about Tennessee football when you didn't
go there? Yeah, my grandfather played for General Neiland in
the nineteen thirties and from the age of five on,
basically as long as I can remember, I went to
University of Tennessee football games as a fan. Probably like

(17:27):
a lot of people who are listening to your show
now as well. If you grow up in the South,
SEC football is your birthright, and for many of us,
maybe even most of us, we pick a favorite team
in the SEC long before we even understand the concept
of college. So I went away to college to George Washington,

(17:48):
d C. Because they gave me a scholarship and it
was a better school than the University of Tennessee, and
I wanted to go to school in Washington, d C.
And then I came back to Tennessee and went to
Vanderbilt for law school because it was a better school.
But in terms of my my interest and and passion
and uh in full throated fandom, it was decided long

(18:08):
before I would have ever contemplated where I might be
able to go to school. That's right, Well, your wife
went to Michigan, right, I got that wrong. Lay Laura
went to Michigan, my wife, and then we met at
Vanderbilt Law School, um, which is back in two thousand
one or whatever the math was there. Yeah, I I
I got a tough time. Like I'm I'm a Tennessee
van and we both are hold hold degrees from Vanderbilt

(18:31):
and none of him. But that's not only that. I mean, look,
this is this is kind of puts it in the
context I wrote this in in my first book. But
when I went to law school at Vanderbilt, my dad
had to call me, uh at being such a huge
University of Tennessee fan, and obviously there's a bitter in
state rivalry between Tennessee and Vanderbilt, and say that he
would be Okay, My mom was worried that I wouldn't

(18:51):
go to Vanderbilt for law school because I was concerned
that my dad would be upset because of football and
basketball rivalry. So I mean, that's really kind of SEC
fandom in a nutshell. And by the way, I love
Vanderbilt now, like uh, my brother in law went to
the med school, my sister got her pH d there,
my wife went on to get her masters after we
met him law school, and I obviously got my law degree.

(19:12):
The irony for my dad is that he's probably surrounded
by more people who have graduated from different schools at
Vanderbilt now in his immediate family than almost anybody in
the country, despite being a hardcore University of Tennessee fans.
Al Right, so who do you think was gonna get
the Tennessee job. I thought that it was gonna be
Dan Mullen. I thought that was the most likely all along.
And I think what happened to here is the situation

(19:34):
with Chip Kelly. Congratulations to U. C. L A. On
making what I think is a phenomenal home run outstanding Higher.
I think that surprised Florida. Florida win all in for
Chip Kelly. Then they tried to pivot and go to
just Scott Frost. I think Scott Frost could end up
in Nebraska. And then they went to their number three
you man, which was Dan Mullen. And I think Tennessee
expected that their guy was Dan Mullen. Like look, they

(19:57):
pursued John Gruden. John Gruden is like the old woman
who wants to still believe that she's really good looking,
and he flirted with Tennessee in an aggressive fashion. Um,
and I'll love the attention, love the adulation, but ultimately
he said no uh. And then I really think that
they believe Dan Mullen was going to be their guy.
And when Florida announced Dan Mullen and stole him away

(20:18):
and Tennessee was became aware that they were not going
to get Dan Mullen, then I think Tennessee's athletic director
John Curry panicked and decided, you know what, we better
go grab Greg Ciano. My my first criticism of the
Higher in general is why the rush um. You know,
if if Greg Ciano is such an unbelievable coaching higher,
there are a lot of other jobs out there, and

(20:40):
you would think that all of them would be all
over Greg Ciano. Whether it's Texas, A and M, whether
it is uh certainly Nebraska, Arkansas, Arizona State. All those jobs,
good jobs open that will attract a lot of attention,
will any of them hire Greg Cianic? I think the
answer is I think the answer now is no. I mean,
I look, I think he honestly, I think you've done
a reparable harm to to to him as a coach,

(21:02):
irreparable like what I like, I would I would sue
you if I was I don't know. Again, you're okay.
I mean, he's obviously gonna sue Tennessee and he's gonna
make a lot of money off the soup. But I
don't think it matters because now, if you're an athletic director,
you fear hiring him, even though, like, the real reason
people were mad was because they didn't like the idea
of Greg Shiano as a coach, not because of this

(21:25):
the faint possibility that he might have known something that
happened with Sandusky. That just became part of that. Honestly,
that it feels like you railed on Missouri rightfully so
because they took the word of one guy who went
on a hunger strike that we're going this is quite
a bit different, right, This is a courtroom testimony. So

(21:45):
there's a different in a civil between what you say
under oath in my opinion and what and look, I
don't and and what was said, and what was said
was that he talked to that This is from Mike
mcquery talked to Tom Bradley, who said that he that
that Siano saw something and they never mcqueer. You know,

(22:08):
the quote was actually really specific. I've got it right here,
he said. Mike mcquerry testified. I can't remember if it
was one night or one morning, but Greg greg Schiano
came into his office white as a ghost and said
he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in
the shower. And that's it. That's all he ever told me.
But that's a that's but that's again, that's mcquery telling

(22:30):
the story that Tom brad told him. So McQuary and
mcquery played there. Just take a step in, let's take it,
let's take it outside of Siano, would you want to
hire our Briles right now? No? Okay? And our Briles
obviously has not been found to be culpable for anything
in a court of law, and he denies all responsibility.

(22:52):
And he also has gotten millions of dollars in payout
from Baylor, who is saying, basically, we haven't been able
to prove that you didn't anything wrong. But I think
if you saw the reaction, he was also he was
also in charge of the wait. Wait, he was in
charge of the program. He was he was in He
was not totally grad assistant and then defensive backs coach.

(23:13):
But like Art Brile's right, I mean, Art Briles was
not directly attributed to have seen in court testimony a
sexual assault on a child. Right, you can agree with
You can believe Greg Siano when he says this is
not true. I never saw any of this. I didn't
tell anybody this. This is all a fabrication of Mike

(23:35):
mcquerry on the witness stand. If that's true, then he
should contemplate suing Mike mcquery for sharing that story and
also sharing the story of of the other coach there
who who had told him that. Right, I mean if
that's not true, then that's who you should sue. This
story is everywhere. It came out in six it was covered.

(23:55):
Shiano denied it. But my position on this is if
you are Tennessee or you are a Tennessee fan, or
you were a Tennessee booster who was not aware of
what was going on with Greg Ciano, if you find
out that your school is contemplating hiring Greg Ciano, a
guy who is sixty nine, sixty eight and sixty seven
as a head coach, no no, no no, no no no
no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no

(24:18):
you did no you did the lawyer thing. Okay, Either
it's about the Penn State thing, or if you want
to go into Rutgers rug did you ever think of
Rutgers football before he took over. He made it into
a viable program. They were eight and forty eight in
the Big East. If you go look at his actual
record and by the way people say, oh they're not,
this is actually good. The Biggest was actually good back then.

(24:38):
Now they're in the Big Ten, which is much better. Right.
They play Penn State, they play Ohio State, they play
Michigan and they play Michigan State there actually, So you
don't think he did a good job at Rutgers. No,
I'm saying I don't think he did a job. So
what I'm saying is, you know you're you're doing, you're
complaining the two. You're saying you're mad about the coaching
record and Rutgers whatever. So then you go like Penn State,
Oh my god, he might have known something about something.

(25:02):
I think people can say, Look, if Nick Saban was
the guy who was alleged to have been involved in
this hearsay incident, everybody would say it's hearsay. Nick Saban
is so good his talents exceed his problems. But if
you go look at Greg Siano and you say, okay,
he's sixty six eight and sixty seven, twenty eight and
forty eight in the Big East during his tenure there.
He also had a disastrous tenure at the Tampa Bay

(25:23):
buccket Here, you keep throwing out the record like, dude,
do you know what Rutgers was for twenty five years? Okay,
can you can agree with Wait? Wait, do you know
what what was Rutgers the twenty five years before he
got there? They were not very good. What have they
been since he left? They're in the Big Ten? Now,
what have they been? I don't know what he's in
the conversation of the worst football program in major college

(25:47):
since they joined the Big Ten. If they they they
see they'd be fine. No, they were bad before. When
soon as he left, they got bad, all right? So
they also he went to Tampa Bay. He went seven
and nine, and then he got fired after going four
and twelve and had a player mutiny, leaked information about
medical records, He leaked information about supposedly his starting quarterback
being in drug rehab. You go dive into greg Ciano's record,

(26:09):
and then you also add in this story, which is
a major story that is going to get a lot
of attention. When you get a big job, that's what happens.
It's like when you suddenly get nominated for the Supreme Court.
Everything that you've ever done in your life, even if
it wasn't a big deal beforehand, becomes a big deal now.
So when you look at the totality of the Greg
Ciano resume, I think it was a bad decision by

(26:30):
Tennessee to think that he was going to be a
good higher and also to think that it was gonna
be a good fit. Now, what percentage of not liking
Greg Ciano is based on Penn State versus based on
his record as a coach. I think you would have
to ask every individual Tennessee fan that I didn't like
the higher regardless of what happened at Penn State. I
would not have supported it, regardless of what was alleged

(26:51):
to one thing to not It's one thing to not
support it. It's another thing as a radio host to
lead a revolt. Well, but leading which is by the way,
it's gonna kill his career, and it's gonna kill the A.
D s career. That's that's what That's what you do.
Die You can you can talk about it. You don't
talk about like like I do. But I understand you

(27:13):
have to understand the ramification of what you say. Lead
a revolt. Okay. I let a revolt against Butch Jones
and I let a revolt against Derek Dooley when they
were the coaches at Tennessee because I didn't think they
were the right fit, right and and honestly, and I'll
be and I'll be and I'll be honest with you.
Do what what you did to Butch Jones, Like, look,
I don't think but Jones was good enough as a

(27:34):
as a football coach, and ultimately, uh it played out
as such, they lost his job. But like, I also
have the sensibility to know it almost it became kind
of it became personal because it was your school and
I get it, or to the school that you love whatever.
But you also like, there's like twenty other dudes on
staff that lost their job because you don't like Butch
Jones of the way, which he knows because he went

(27:55):
because he went four and eight, the worst year in
the history of Tennessee athletics. Look, here's the other thing
I don't. I'm not the kind of guy, and you
know this. I'm not the kind of guy who sticks
my thumb up in the air, checks to see which
way the wind is blowing, and then checks to see
how many people agree with the opinion that I'm about
to share. Every single day, whether I write or whether
I say it on the air, I face forward and

(28:16):
look directly at everybody else, or look directly into this
mic and tell people percent what I agree with. And
a lot of times if I look over my shoulder,
there ain't nobody else standing there right. So the fact
that so many other people in the Tennessee fan base
agreed with me about Greg Siano, I don't believe was
because they had no idea what their opinion was, and

(28:38):
then they saw my opinion and they all said, oh,
we're gonna join Clay Travis's opinion. Because I think there
if you check my Twitter mentions every single time years too,
every single time I share an opinion on anything, there's
at least of people who say, you're crazy, that's an
awful opinion. So I don't buy into this idea that
people agreed and suddenly change their mind about Greg Ciano

(29:00):
because of me. I think I voiced an opinion that
hundreds of thousands of Tennessee fans also happened to have
the differences. My opinion gets more weight because I've created
a massive audience throughout kicks. No, I I don't dispute that.
By the way, Rutgers had won seven games. Seven is
the most they had won since nineteen eighty. They had
done it twice and hadn't been to a bowl game

(29:21):
since nineteen eighty. Uh he went to a bowl game?
Uh in what was his last what six years there
he went five times. But you know, maybe that doesn't
doesn't matter. They were nothing. He built them into something.
I actually think he was a really good fit as
a builder, which is what that program needs. Clay Travis
is multitasking. Quote again if he's joined still let me

(29:42):
let me just read your last tweet. Uh. If Greg
Ciano is such an amazing coach, hired coaching, hire, shouldn't
Texas and m Nebraska, Arkansas and Arizona State all been
falling all over each other to hire him? Why aren't they?
Because they're fans and boosters don't want him either. Uh, Clay,
I gotta tell you it's this wrong. You know, I
talked to but before this went down the way it
went down, I talked to a guy who's uh leads

(30:04):
one of the best, biggest search firms in the countries.
Like Greg, Shannon was absolutely a candidate at all of
these jobs. He's got Belichick and urban Meyer in his corner,
and he's coaching one of the best defense him. Why
do him? They can't? Now? Why can't because it because
because fans think that he is somehow completely associated with

(30:26):
Jerry Sandusky. When it's because he is I mean Look
if you if you believe he's a hundred percent innocent,
and he says he is, and other people are willing
to vouch for him, then have the balls to step
up and hire him. I mean, if you're the head,
here's here's the harm you did. Here's the harm you
did to Tennessee. At here's the harmy did. If here's
the I can make the same argument now about Tennessee.

(30:47):
If Tennessee is such a great job, why can't they
go out and hire a big time football coach right now?
Because they have an incompetent administration conducting No, because nobody
wants to go there, Clay, they don't want to be
treated this way. Minute, who do you think is a
big time coach that they could have hired? Like I'm
telling you right now, there are seven guys that they
can get in at Tennessee right now who can take

(31:09):
over that all? Then Greg Ciano in my opinion, all right,
Kevin Someone, Mike Leach, Lane Kiffin, Willie Taggert, uh, Mike Norvell,
Bobby Petrino, Jeff brom are all demonstrably better in terms
of their current on the field product than what Greg
Ciano offers at this exact moment as well. Why do

(31:31):
you think they're going Why do you think they're gonna
end up hiring t Martin who doesn't call because the
administrators And it isn't, No, it isn't. You're you're dealing.
You're dealing with things you don't know anything about. Like,
I love you, I think you're an incredible talent. You
don't know anything about college football in terms of how
it really works. You don't think that I, who wrote
a best selling book inside the University of Tennessee Athletic

(31:54):
department about Phil Fulmer's final year, talk to people who
are intimately involved in a major coaching search. You don't
think that I regularly talk, So don't talk Tennessee people
who people think like all of this is like, no,
all these people think that if next time we meet,
next time we meet. Sure, you know people I know
people in college football, They're like, this thing is a disaster.

(32:15):
But the most things happening in college outside and people
that I've been talking no, no, awesome, Why aren't they
going to Why why won't they hire those people because
their administration Wait, you just told me that the that
the fans lead this revolt, this about the fans and
the boosters, and you got all these voles pros want.
And I'll tell you why the boosters want a Tennessee guy. Now.

(32:37):
They are fed up with with John Curry and so
they would like to go get either David Cutcliffe, who
is a former Tennessee assistant. Right, he's gonna go, by
the way, what was his record at Old Miss? And
then what was his record when he didn't have Eli Manning? Right?
And I like David cut Liff. David Cutliffe is one
of the all time great coaches. The issue with David
Cuckliffe and the reason why he didn't get the job
in two thousand ten is he's never established that he

(32:57):
can recruit a truly elite level. No, I don't want recruited.
That's okay, which which someone would want to recruit, But
someone don't want that job, you know, want the job.
I think I think Kevin Summon. I mean, if they
hired Kevin Sumlin, they would be a fan of volt
because they'd say, look at his record in the SEC.
You know, I think that's I think that's mistaken. I
think great, he'd be great. I think the first head

(33:21):
black head coach he'd be able to go in and
recruit at an elite level. He runs a fun offense
if he can keep hold on to a quarterback. But
you're kidding yourself. You think they hired Kevin Summon and
Bolls fans were like, up top, we got Kevin Summon.
They've been picking him apart just like anybody. What I think,
what I think has been misconstrued is the idea that
because they hired Greg Siano, this is a reaction that

(33:43):
would have happened for a lot of different coaches. Tennessee
fans are astute as a group. You can attack him
as an individual group right as an individual. Uh. Tennessee
fans in general love football. They support their program at
rates that almost don't exist anywhere else in college athletics,
for both basketball and football. This is a program that
is I believe one of the only maybe be the

(34:04):
only one, the only one in the country that is
top ten at times in both basketball and football attendance.
I mean that means like everybody kind of focuses on
the football team, but we're talking about an incredible basketball
facility with a huge, rabid fan base, UH that is
willing to come out in support at a level that
almost is not seen anywhere else. What Tennessee fans feel
like is ever since Phil Fulmer was fired that there

(34:26):
has been a series of disastrous hires made. Lane Kiffin
was a good hire, but he was only there for
one year, So I'm gonna give a pass on that.
Derek do in Tennessee one of the most unbelievable, one
of the most unbelievable stories of all time. Not just
guys like top recruits, uh, that that ended up getting
kicked off one of the great most unbelievable stories in

(34:47):
SEC football history. Tennessee guys robbed a local gas station,
a pilot by the way, which is actually owned by
the biggest booster m program in the country, the guy
who owns the Browns Um And so what you've got
now is bad hire of lank l and the way
it worked out in terms of on the field, I
don't think it was a disastrous higher, but there were
a ton of early people really interested in that job. Uh.
Then you had Derek Dooley, which we all know was

(35:08):
a disaster. Then you have Butch Jones, and then you hire,
in many people's opinion, including mine, a guy who is
Butch Jones two point oh except on the defensive side
of the ball. And by the way, a guy that
in his last year at Rutgers, Butch Jones beat by forty.
So in his last year after building up this program
to these incredible heights, Butch Jones, who I think everybody
would acknowledge, is not Vince Lombardi went in and beat

(35:30):
Rutgers by nearly forty coached by Greg Ciano. So Tennessee
fanzers looking around saying, wait a minute, we don't want
our administration to make this higher again. And by the way,
the administration is really just John Curry and Jimmy Haslam.
And to put this into context for you, the people
making the higher at Tennessee who were ram railroading Greg
Ciano through Uh. The reason why he's the top candidate

(35:50):
is because Jimmy Haslum interviewed him when he was with
the Browns, UH to potentially be and he owns the
Browns in the state of Ohio. And I'm sure that
urban man chick of the phone and said you should
hire this guy. That's the way it works. In Belichick
probably did did as well, that that's that's the way
it works. Jimmy has to hire. Wanted to explain you
what went, But the rest of college football is saying
about your beloved Tennessee job that no one of repute

(36:14):
will go there because of which I don't believe because
they're crazy. They wouldn't. You wouldn't want to hire Norvell
because he's the Memphis coach. So what would have happened
on social media if Tennessee had been Alabama had been
two thousand six and Rich Rod suddenly decides he's not
going to go to Alabama because Alabama fans are crazy

(36:35):
after a decade of Alabama being crappy, then they would
have never hired Nick Saban. Remember he was on camp door,
he was on campus, he accepted the job, and suddenly
he was His wife was listening to sports talk radio
and she was like, my god, these Alabama fans calling
in not happy with rich Rodriguez or crazy, We're not
gonna go here. And that's actually how Alabama ended up
hiring Nick Saban. So if social media had existed back then,

(36:58):
everybody on Twitter would have been saying, look to Alabama,
the best days are passed. They can never win again.
There I was doing, I was doing national radio at
the time I believed in the sab and higher than
I believe in the Saban higher. Now I'm telling you
it's different in a way it went down. And the
fact that you've done reparable harm to a coach who
many people swear by. The athletic director, I don't know
well enough. I've I do have a little bit of

(37:19):
association with him. I don't think he consistently makes great HighRes,
but I understood why he ran off. Frank Martin the
greatest coach probably in Kansas State history. He's not the
greatest coaching. Might want to research Jack Hartman and text
Winner before you say that Frank Martin was the and
he had a he had a kid who got a
receipt from getting money, and there was other stuff that
went down, and whatever. Frank. I love Frank, I love

(37:40):
I love Frank Martin. He's not the greatest head coach,
is not the second greatest head coach in the history
of Kansas State. But that that's regardless of the point.
You can listen to his show, it's called out Kick
the Coverage. You can go to his website. You can
follow him on Twitter. Clay, thanks for joining us, dude.
I appreciate you'll have me. Thanks a lot. Fox Sports
Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at fox its Radio dot

(38:00):
com and within the I Heart Radio app Our next
Yuest joined us every week, and um we we agreed
and kind of disagreed on uh in truth on Dak
Prescott like he called Dak Prescott. He said, like, look,
they've only trained him to be a game manager. When
things go poorly, where he doesn't have everything just right,
he can only manage the game. We completely agree there.

(38:22):
I think what we what we disagree is I've always
often gleamed from him that he thinks Dak has the
ability to be more than that I do not at
this point in his career. But that's yet to be seen.
So there's a lot of nuggets you can take from
D'Angelo Williams that are great that other people, other former
pro football players, former Pro bowlers, are not willing to say.
He called that one a long time ago. He also

(38:43):
told us early on that Steelers were gonna struggle because
because they didn't want to give the ball to Levion
Bell early season. Once they figured that out that they
were running team first, that they would be the first
place team everybody thought they would be. I want to
get his thoughts on the Steelers, who continue to be
unimpressive of in yet another win on Sunday Night Football.
But uh, he wanted to create his own kind of segment,

(39:07):
his own segment within a segment. D'Angelo Williams, pro Bowl
running back for the Panthers and the Steelers, joined us
weekly on The Dug Gotlip Show, and that segment where
he wanted who made the dumbest decision on an NFL weekend?
I think you wanted on a Sunday, but will extend
it to Thursday if you would like. I give you
the floor, D'Angelo who made the Devin's decision? The guy

(39:31):
who made the dumbest decision this weekend was Michael Crabtree
by wearing that chain, knowing that to lead snatched his
chain the last time that they played. So the guy
who made the dumbest decision was Michael Crabtree. Not only
did you cost yourself a playmaker on the field, but
you also sparked another confrontation with a guy that you

(39:53):
already had prior issues with before you even took the field.
What what's yours? Doug. Uh, that's a pretty dumb one.
That's that's pretty dumb one. Andy. He got himself run
He got himself run out of the game. Um okay,
So how would you approach that, Like, if you know
that you and Talibe have beef, you've had, I'm sure
beef would do what you've gone against. How are you

(40:14):
supposed to approach that just pretend like it doesn't happen. Well,
it's not a it's not a it's not a guy issue.
So the most disrespectful thing you can ever do to
a person, to snatch their chain from them, that is
like the craziest thing ever and the most disrespectful thing ever.
So Talipaz did not once but twice. On top of that,
it's not a player the player issue. It has to

(40:34):
been NFL issue. And this is why I said it
has to been an NFL issue. Every time to leave
the Micael Craft tree, uh get tangled up, it's always
either the coaches or the players that have to come
to the aid of either one to break it up.
And then the league is always reactive as opposed to
being proactive. But you felt you you were winding back

(40:54):
to the stillers and the Bengals. Whenever they played each other,
they always have extra extra secure. They take every precaution necessary.
So why is the precaution lacking in the to leave
microcraft tree beats? Like that's real? Like it's crazy that.
I mean, they threatened each other the last time, so
you would think that that beat was just as real

(41:15):
as the Steelers Bengals beat when they played Monday Night,
because that's must see TV. You'll see extra rest standard
at the fifty. You'll see all the precautions that the
NFL take. Why I have no idea what's the difference
between the Raiders and uh, the Broncos as it is
with the Steelers and the Bengals. So that's where I
have an issue with. It should be an NFL issue,

(41:37):
not just a player the player issue, because there's actually
real beat there, and I think that that's gonna be
beasts that leaves the field, that actually making into the
streets in the everyday Live because that's a big deal.
Man snatching the guy's chain not once but twice. Dangela
Williams joining us on the dug Outlip Show. All right,
help me out with the Steelers. They win again. Fifty
three yard field goal, Antonio Brown a B makes a
couple of ridiculous remarkable catch is to kind of save

(42:01):
them from embarrassment. But the defense, I mean, you got
dudes running free. It's it's it's not like Brett Huntley
was thrown in the tight windows. You had a bunch
of blown coverages and uh and and look, the offense
kind of found a way to put it ends up
looking more impressive with thirty one points. Then then the
lack of consistent output with all of those starts. Let's

(42:23):
start with the defense. Why so many breakdowns? Well, I
think he implemented a new defense because you got Hunting
coming in, not a proven quarterback, so you feel like
you could do more things that you obviously couldn't do
if Yon Rodgers was playing there. So I think he
came out and he installed in some new different Blisz
packages just to kind of rattle Huntley early. And Huntley didn't.

(42:45):
He stayed in there, and he delivered the ball and
he ultimately had a close game. The part that the
person that that kind of rubs me the wrong way.
And as crazy as it's gonna sound, and I've said
this weekend and week out, even when that still have
struggled early on. Like my concerns are with Ben. Those
are my concerns because it's inconsistency could cost them down

(43:08):
the line, because you know, if dB stopped dropping the ball,
he throw four peach last night. Ye, he throws four too,
but he throws four if they don't drop the ball
like right in their hands, like right in between their
face match. But nobody's talking about that because there's holes
in other places. But their battle testing, that's the thing.
Their battle tests. They've had close game after close game

(43:30):
after close game. I know coach Tom Linmano is when
it's tough him, it's just Diezel Williams joins in the
dug gallery of a little problem with his phone. Let's
make sure we get it so it's it's perfectly all right.
Uh continues to join us. Let's dial back to the Thanksgiving.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Um. Uh. The Chargers

(43:51):
were impressive. And I've been telling people the charges are
way better than their records. But but on the other hand,
you got the Cowboys and you said previous you said
to start the year. Hey man, they're they're doing doak
at disservice. All they teach them to do is to
manage a game, and he's gonna have to do more
than that, and that has been exposed. Do you think
he actually has it in him this year to make

(44:12):
more plays? Because now you're hearing the Cowboys players themselves
are disappointed the lack of adjustments. Is it lack of
adjustments or is that just that it's lack of it's
lack of adjustments. He's doing exactly what they tell them
to do. Is they refuse to take the damn trying
wheels off and let the man pedal on his own,
Like take the trainer whols off. Do you don't have
anything to lose? Like what are you fighting for? You?
Zeke's out, so you can't run, run, run past run.

(44:35):
You can't you can't get those manageable thirds downs like
the ones in the two yards where you can just
hand the ball to Ezekiel he'll pick it up and
then you get a fresh set of downs. That's over with.
You got you got six games, or yeah, you have
six games or five now because he served at one
game suspension already, so you might as well. You might
as well take this season right here to take the

(44:56):
trainer wheels off of him and have him win some
games so he can experience that confidence and winning games
and stop being a damn game manager, exactly what they
coached him to do. So what would you do? How
would you adjust? Well? You adjust like this, hey, that
you're gonna call the players when we're gonna know huddle
from now, you call it the huddle. Often. You're supposed

(45:18):
to know this playbook just as well as we did.
You're two years into it. You gotta make that adjustment.
You gotta you gotta call players that you're comfortable with.
Don't let me call plays that I'm comfortable with, knowing
that you're comfortable with. Like, Okay, I saw this in practice.
You can't do it. Well, take what you learned on
the practice field and translate it over to the game field.
This is your team that if we're gonna say that

(45:39):
this is your team from a fan standpoint, we gotta
say that this is a team from a business and
from a coaching tampole. Hey, dad, this is your team.
You're you're gonna leave, We're all gonna follow. Let's go
where do you want to take us? And right now
we're they're taking you is they're taking you as far
as that offensive coordinator allow you to. And that's what
the trainer was on. Let's managing the football game, and

(45:59):
that's getting it done. What happened to the Kansas City Chiefs,
Then I'm gonna tell you what happened to the Kansas
City Chiefs. The Kansas City Chiefs I equate a lot
of things in life to a bunch of the football things.
I equate the Kansas City Chiefs like all the people
that put up the Christmas lights and Christmas decorations before
Thanksgiving because they already they don't want to look to

(46:21):
the rest of the regular season. Kansas City started off
four though they're hot. We can just strip the rest
of the regular season because we're gonna windows. Let's get
straight to the playoffs and end up missing the playoffs.
They picked you, only they showed their hand way too early.
If you give us everything that you've got in the
first four to six games, you're easy to plan because
now we have tape on you and we know exactly

(46:41):
what you're gonna do. When times get hard, we know
you're gonna go through these selections of three or full
of plays. So we're gonna go to our defense that
limits those three or full plase and that's what's happening.
They're not winning them third, they're not. Uh. Alex Smith
went from m v P caliber player to fighting for
his damn job. Now that's exactly where he's gonna be. Yep,

(47:01):
and which is why they which was why they drafted
a quarterback. But um, but it's gonna be faster to see.
I mean, look, they've lost five in the last six
games to winning their first five games of the year.
D'Angel Williams joining us, Um, are you realized they only
beat one team that you right this year and the
first and that was the New England Patriots, like everybody
handed them the trophy. They'd beat the Eagles too. Okay,

(47:24):
they beat the Eagles too, what before the Eagle found
their strive and they look and they beat the Chargers,
who are actually pretty good. Like look, I'm completely with you,
but with the exception like we're gonna they beat the
Patriots in New England. It was also the first month
of the season. And the one thing that we have
learned is there's there's a narrative in the NFL, which
is first month of the season is just like extandard

(47:45):
training camp. You don't know really what you have. And
everybody except the Chiefs seemed to figure that out absolutely.
And and when we found out what the Chiefs had,
the Chiefs had it was Downhill and they hadn't hit
the meet it their schedule. They're five, like you said,
they've lost father their last six and they hit the
meat of their schedule where everybody has film on him,
everybody has taped on him. What do you do? You

(48:07):
you you limit? And this is what's crazy. They haven't
did anything to stop Hunt. There's nothing different there, like
nobody's putting eight to nine in the box like that.
He was never the key to their offense. And I've
always said this, the key to their offenses. He'll Hill
was the hell was the break the breakthrough player. He's

(48:27):
the one that stretches the defense. He's the one that
makes that offense go. Once you found out how to
stop him, then you gotta you. You got a great
opportunity to be in the chief just like him. To them,
it's just like uh Antonio Brown as the Pittsburgh Stillers.
But a B a season, He'll isn't. Yeah, and a
B is also not five ft eight five ft nine,
right like he's bigger. He's not a gadget player. They

(48:50):
use Hill as a gadget player, no question. By the way, Uh,
he had seventeen yards rushing. I mean you have your
starting Kareem Hunt has seventeen yard dressing, eleven carries. It's
a a career low form in his first year. D'Angelo
great stuff was always great energy. Glad you had a
great Thanksgiving. We'll talk to you next week. Yeah, I
had a great thing about What did you What was
your favorite? What was your favorite? Uh? You know my wife,

(49:12):
My wife makes really good dressing. Here's the thing. My
wife had never cooked basically everything before. When I was
at ESPN, we used to go the ESPN Captre because
it's easy. We had little kids. Uh, and in the
past we've done things with their family to where she
had cooked one dish whatever. She made almost all of them,
and like she actually and she doesn't really enjoy cooking,
she had it so and my mom came over, some
cousins came over. We had all seven different kinds of pie.

(49:35):
But her dressing was perfect, like perfect amount of moisture,
cooked all the way through. You mixed them well, you
mixed the dressing with the cranberry sauce, with the turkey,
with the sweet potato pie, and you are good to go.
We were good to go with all them. Everything that
is spoken like a true husband that's in love with
his wife and has to go back home tour. No,
I'm telling you, she did a good like. She did
a good job. She doesn't like cooking. I like cooking.

(49:58):
She doesn't like it. But she was like, no, no, no no,
I got this year and she handled her business. She
did a great job, a nice all right, Thanks D'Angelo.
We gotta run. Appreciate D'Angelo Williams joining us. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show
weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. And then
you have the San Francisco forty Niners who have figured

(50:20):
out how to tank and basically admit their tanking. Jimmy
Garoppolo finally got into the game yesterday, and you look great.
Now you can say, I don't know if Jimmy Garoppolo
is going to be that good, and you might be right.
But what the reason Kyle Shanahan was hired was not

(50:41):
just his play calling in Atlanta, but his ability to
call plays and evaluate the most important position in all
of sports, the position of quarterback. They talked about it
in d C on how great a job he did
in evaluating Kirk Cousins and how he like Garoppolo the same.
And John lynch Is has been seeing hailed as a

(51:04):
great talent evaluator and they have hand selected as Garoppolo
as their guy. But what's the what's the win in
putting him out there? You're putting him behind a bad
offensive line that has now caused two quarterbacks to get hurt.
And even if you do play well and keep him
out right and you win games, that hurts you in
the future. The Niners are smart. They're doing what the

(51:26):
Sixers did last year and red shirting Ben Simmons and
playing and beat as little as possible down the stretch.
They are tanking and they don't care who knows it.
They just can't admit it. Here's Kyle Shanahan after yesterday's game.
I want to give a guy a chance to be successful,
and we gotta do a better job of protecting him.
And you know, I I thought, you know we did that
person New York. We're able to be in a game

(51:46):
or um, we will be able to be more balanced.
Tried very hard to keep this game like this, but
only in the second half that got a little bit
out of hand. But it was similar to that in
the first half too. So it's a tough position to
be in. And you know, when I want to get hurt.
But Jimmy will have another week. We'll watch this tape tomorrow,
work with them Monday and Tuesday, and we'll see what
happens in practice for once. Now, look, there's not many

(52:07):
San Francisco for Dinners fans left, but the ones that
were there cheered when C. J. Bethard got hurt. That's
I mean, like if you cheer for somebody to get hurt,
Like what, what's what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you?
Like you don't have to you don't have to. You
don't have to feel sad because you want you want
Garoppolo to play, but you can say nothing, right, what's

(52:30):
the what's the old adage? It's better to be your
main sound, be thoughtful than to speak and remove all doubt.
Heard that one. There you go, but they're one intent
on the year they go to Chicago, take on the Bears.
They go to Houston, take on the Texans. They got
the Titans at home, They got the Jags at home.
They go to take on the Rams. Play him as
little as possible. What is the win in playing Jimmy Garoppolo?

(52:54):
In throwing him out there behind the line they can't
block with guys that can't catch. Tell me what the
win is? Some sort of confidence builder for next year? Sure? Fine,
Like your best possible opportunity for success is to get
as many high draft picks in the first and second
and third round as possible. And if you don't think

(53:15):
that's a good idea, I give you the Houston Astros.
That's what they did. How'd that workout for? That's what
the seventies six Ers did. How's that working out for?
That's whatever when the NBA is doing That's why the
NBA put in new rules. Can't sit guys tanking rules,
changing the lottery because they know Sixers plan worked, and
it's gonna work. It's gonna work for whoever does it.

(53:39):
Because there is no value in being just okay in
in professional sports. You're better off being really, really bad.
It's one of the great things about college sports is
the end of the year. Guys are still playing hard
because they're playing for next year, or they're playing for
their school, or they're just playing to win games. Because
there isn't it's the opposite. There's no reward for being

(54:00):
really really bad.