July 22, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug talks about the Cowboys and their owner/GM Jerry Jones and explains why he thinks Jones has not been the bad General Manager everyone makes him out to be. Doug shares his thoughts on the Bengals' high profile contract situations. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Scottie Scheffler, the Bengals and all of the other headlines around the NFL. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:25):
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We're at your service. Good to have my boy. Jay
stew Back obviously heard the lovely Montsey Belanos, So I'm
sure it's excited about Chris Paul two point zero in Clipperland,
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and of course, uh the always steady Iowa Sam on
the ones and twos as he gets ready for the
second half of the w NBA season, which he just
geeks out for. Let's just call it like it is.
He's excited. Here you go, He's he's excited, excited and excitable.
I think we had a pretty good show. I think
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it's gonna be a good day. I hope you're having
a great summer sad news Ozzy Osbourne dies at the
age of seventy six. When I say sad, it's anybody
who dies, it's sad. But as I think Jay stew
you said, or was it you? Sam? Like a bit
of an upset. Ozzy Osbourne made it seventy six years right?
Who was it? Which which one of you two said that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, that's definitely my humor, and it is an upset,
Like I remember when we were watching The Osbourne's thinking,
this guy's only got a couple more months to whip. Yeah,
like twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, there was a certain there was a point there
where you felt like there was a weekend at Berney's
taking place right where you're like, gee, they just propping
him up for this show. But Ozzy Osbourne and I
thought the point, you know, without trying to make it,
because I think you left it so that I could
make it, that you make it. The Osbourne's was a
(01:59):
bit of a breakthrough show, right. It paved the way
for the Kardashians. I don't know if the Keeping Up
with the Kardashians happens or is as is as successful
without the Osborns. Maybe that's for your next pod jays
too for your next Bachelor lifestyle pod. Good idea, Yeah,
(02:20):
because without the Bachelor and without the Bachelor in Paradise,
Love Island has no chance of being as big as
it's been. Again, more ideas for your podcast. That's what
I do here. Don't have ideas for my show for
your podcast. I thought Colin had some some really interesting
things to say earlier today in regards to Jerry Jones
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and talking about when you try and do try and
be great at a bunch of things, you end up
being average at all of them. And he was of
course specifically responding to Jerry Jones when he was asked
if he thought he'd ever bring in another guy to
be the actual gentleman manager. Here was his response yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
A stepping away as general manager. Ever been even a
momentary consideration for the years? H Yes, momentary, A lot
of moments.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Now we're getting down to it, small fractions of seconds
as you know, you see it. I'm in the Senior bowls.
Combines all of that, all of that melts in two
a real good feeling about where we are so that
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I'm not sitting up there throwing darts about a player.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So there's a couple different parts to it. And I'm
gonna give you a basketball analogy. You tell me if
it makes sense. Jase too, Sam, So there are coaches
in college basketball who other people substitute for. Like I
know of a really really good coach and he doesn't.
He doesn't do the subs And I just to me,
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that's well, that's like in pregnance, having somebody else impregnant
your wife when you're fully capable of doing it, right.
That's that's my thought about it, especially when the former
the coach is a former player and a really good one, right,
because what you're supposed to bring to the table is
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not the relatability, but also, hey, you've been a player,
so you use that player's intuition. He's been a coach
for a long time. He's a really good coach. But again,
it's just interesting allowing other people to do things. Now,
when you hear how Jerry Jones explains it, I think
he tells you the truth without you, without most people
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hearing it. The last part when he's like, you see
me the Senior Bowl. You see me here, you see
me there, So we're not just kind of going blind.
The point is in the NFL, you draft, you let
your scouts do their job. You have all kinds of layers,
and you're at the top as the general manager and
the owner of like a of the pyramid. And the
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point I made about the subbing and the letting somebody
else impregnant your wife is you know, we can all
tell Jerry Jones what he should do from our perspective
as outsiders. The reality is, if you own the most
valuable team in professional sports and you want to be
the genlem manager, you can be the genlem manager. If
you want to be the quarterback, you give me the quarterback.
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If you want to be the coach, you can be
the coach. Like that's your money, you're allowed to do it.
That's where the expression owners own, because owners owns. At
the end of the day, they want to do something,
they just damn well do it. No problem, problem solved.
But I I I also think we have a misconception
or misperception of what actually takes place, is that he's
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not making all these picks on his own. But what
he can do is they can say, Hey, I like
this guy. I saw it the Singer Bowl. I like
that guy. Let's take that guy. It's not to say
that what the Cowboys are doing is perfect or right.
And I do think there's a certain amount of what
Colin's saying which is dead to nuts accurate, because it's
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not just the GMing and the marketing, and it's they
haven't done a good job of hiring the right coaches.
They become beholden to players who they should let go.
The drafting at times has been really good, at times
it hasn't. Sometimes they've signed somebody willie Nilly out a
free agency that didn't make sense. It's all those things
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combined are just coming up short, and so the team
constantly just comes up short. But all of our opinions
don't matter because we didn't pay the money. We didn't
raise the money, pay the money own the Cowboys. We
weren't owning the Cowboys when they want to call three
Super Bowls. So Jerry's allowed to do what he's allowed
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to do. If he wants to let somebody else impregnant
his wife, fine, if he wants to do it, fine.
In this particular case, he's like I could hire somebody else,
but I know what I want and I let my
scouts do their job. And the last part is if
we're being honest, For the most part, the Cowboys has
done a really good job of their overall talent level. Granted,
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the Eagles have found a way to sort of put
themselves ahead of everybody else, but up until last year,
there hasn't been anybody who's like, you know, the Cowboys
just don't have that much talent. Hasn't been the case.
That hasn't what been what has kept the Cowboys from
performing in the playoffs. I don't think Dak's that good,
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and I think they're in that little bit quarterback purgatory.
I do think there are some other decisions they have
made in terms of re signing players. Ezekiel Elliott that
wasn't a good contract and it screwed a bunch of
other things up. So I'm not saying he's perfect, But
the idea that you bring in a different GM, he
didn't have to. If you own the team, you want
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to be the GM, and he'd done a good enough job,
and they've done a good enough job for the last
fifteen years. He doesn't have to now, Yes, if you
do too much, something will fall short. And I think
it's in the coaching hires they make, and in the
decision at quarterback. They got stuck there. They had Romo,
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he had his flaws in the playoffs, but then he
was coming back. They stuck with Dak. Dak's been their guy,
and you do fear letting that guy walk out the
door because finding the next quarterback is so so difficult
if you don't have one, as opposed, it feels a
little easier when you do have one. All right, we
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get back on the Cowboys in a second, but I
you know, I look at I look at Jerry, and
I'm not defending him, but everybody talks about him giving
up GM duties and talent on that football team has
not been the problem. Coaching quarterback play, some aging out
of some guys, and yeah, if being the GM, in
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terms of how you re sign guys, how you structure
the contracts, what it all looks like. That is on Jerry.
That is his issue. But that doesn't mean you can't
hire somebody to help you with those issues while still
maintaining the kind of overarching theme of being the general manager.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
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Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So so, reputations
are really really hard to shed, right, really hard to shed.
And the Bengals have a reputation of being cheap. Now,
the Bengals, you go back to when Carson Palmer was
their quarterback. Remember Carson before he got rolled up on
by Chemo Van Ohoffen signed the biggest contract in the
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history of the sport. Now Carson retired and then came back,
not because of how much the Bengals were gonna pay him,
more so for all the other stuff they were accused
of being cheap with. You know, Guyston State, a hotel
near the stadium night before a game, old towels, no indoor,
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just the way in which they handled it, and the
Bengals gets twenty years ago. Bengals have been digging out
from that ever since. Now, they got Burrow Chase, and
they put together a heck of an offensive lineup. But
you drafted defensive back in the first round who to
this point has not showed up in Shamar Stewart and
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the guy who's led you in sacks the past two
years posts a video of him leaving the state of
Ohio as he's holding out for a bigger contract. Here's
Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, talking about Shamar
Stewart's hold up.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
If we get a player who gets involved in something
like that or does something that is just unacceptable, guess what.
I don't want to pay him. I really don't. If
he's sitting in jail, I don't think I ought to
be paying him. And so we say that if he
got involved in conduct detrimental, we'd have the right to
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terminate the guaranteed part for the back years. As agent says,
oh no, you can terminate the guaranteed part only for
the remaining part of the year in which the event occurs. Oddly,
something like this has never occurred with us. I don't
think it's going to occur. So we're sitting here arguing
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over something that I think is pretty remote, and I
ask myself sometimes why the hell we're doing it. But
we are, and he's doing it too, and at some
point we got to put this stuff behind and just
get him up here and get him so he can
be a contributor.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, I mean like, look at some point, I truly
believe this. And this relates to the Micah Parsons thing.
It relates to all this talk about fully guaranteed contracts,
like so much of this stuff is agent driven, agent driven,
and what happens is you won't have You're not gonna
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have owners or gms or coaches talk negatively about agents
because they fear the repercussions of agents going like, now
you're never gonna get my guy. We have the same
thing in college basketball, right we're dealing with agents and
if I were, if I were to out agents and
something I disagree with what they're doing, there is a
sense of, well, man, now I'm never going to get
a guy from an agent.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Just not.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So he won't say it. I will. What Mike Brown's
talking about is this all sufs ridiculous, Like we're not
just going to sign a guy to a contract and
no matter what he gets paid, nobody does it. We're
not doing it. If the guy wants to play football,
we'll see him Monday. It's no different than these The
idea of having fully guaranteed contracts and off all teams
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would absolutely do fully guaranteed contracts for like two years
maybe three. They tack on the extra years a little
bit to protect themselves, but mostly for the agents. They
can go like, hey, look he signed for two hundred
and fifty million dollars. Like, yeah, it's like a one hundred
and for three. No, no, it's two fifty. That only
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helps the agent and the agency go. The agent doesn't
get paid more on it. They only get paid their
percentage based upon what the player actually brings in, So
that ain't it. Does it help the team a little
bit because you can do some creative math and hide
some money from the salary cap, but eventually you're gonna
have to pay that too. But make no mistake about it.
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Hendrickson again, I'm sure he wants too much for too long,
but he's not going anywhere because they own his rights.
Even when his contracts up, they can franchise tag him.
He's not going anywhere. And Shamar Stewart there, you know,
when you're a first round pick, you got to start
that clock in order to get to being to being
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having your second contract, and he can't start that clock
if you're doing if you're working out a text A
and M and he has no leverage. You know, it's
floated out there that you go back to the draft,
and then they found out actually can't go back to
the draft. All right, stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, Jayceu, there were rumors that you took yesterday
off because you just couldn't handle what's happening with the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, that's not me. That's not me. I'm not that
kind of fan. I take it personally, but I don't
do that. I face the music, you know, I come in,
I take all the all the bullets. So what do
you got for me? What's uh? What do you hate
most about the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't hate about the Dodgers. I was just saying
they you know, the Brewers swept them, not once, but twice.
I just want to know if you're you're doing okay.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think with Brewers are a better team at this
point than the Dodgers. They're the best team in baseball,
the best right.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They're on fire. They're they're on fire right now. I
mean they're just like this is one of those I
don't know if you say peak too soon, but they
are peaking.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Maybe uh, maybe next week wazy talk show producers and
hosts couldn't do the segment Are the Brewers bad for baseball?
Have the Brewers ruined baseball? That's John Middlecoff, Let me
run and get.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That, okay, Are the Brewers bad for bab Are the
Brewers bad for baseball? We'll do that next on first take.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
That's baseball, just.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Rolling, rolling, I will be. I'm gonna I have like
two weeks in between, but taking next Wednesday off to
do day game at American Financial Field Cubs Brewers so
and really, honestly, the real reason I'm going American Financial
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Field is that what it is our American family, What
is the name, what is the insurance company? I'm totally
butchering it. I met the CEO. Now if feel like
an idiot, but that's okay. They had the best popcorn
inmateor League Baseball, American favorate field, so I thought American
fanfield so unbelievable. Popcorn Unbelievablejohn Middlecoff joins US three now is.
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The podcast also has the Going Low podcast. I said
this yesterday in regards to Scottie Scheffler winning the Open Championship.
The Unsuperstar Superstar is one of those things that is relatable,
but it doesn't really help the sport at all, Like
it's just at all, Like aug shucks, it's just golf.
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It doesn't change who I am. I'm just a guy. Again. Great,
but doesn't sell the sport the way that support needs
to be sold.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, I would say it's not apples apples, But I
think he's kind of got like Jokic. You know, anyone
you know, you're a basketball guy through infer you watch,
You're like, there's one of the greatest players I've ever seen.
But it's like, yeah, I don't really care to do
any media, any marketing. I just I'm out once the
season end. While I'm on the court, I'll give you
everything I have and I'll mostly if my team's good
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enough to dominate. Obviously Scotty controls bulk as an individual sports,
but everything else Nope. I mean of obviously Tiger you know,
I mean in your lifetime, Doug, I mean, will you
say an all time outlier of just anything. I mean,
he's one of the he's one of the most powerful
marketing machines. Where I would say of the last seventy
five years, and that sport especially there's two guys, Arnold
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Palmer and Tiger Woods and even a little bit Greg
Norman the Shark that transcend the sport. I mean, that's
what Michael Jordan did, That's what Tom Brady and Faydon
Manning do. That's just not what this guy does. He's probably,
you know, I'm not old enough to remember, like in
the peak, like a Tom Watson type. But there's kind
of a boring aspect to him. And he tells you like,
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don't expect anything else. I think even speak. I mean,
all these guys. Now, part of it is some of
these guys are calling off the cliff so they make
so much money off the course. He's like, yeah, we
do all this stuff on the Mondays, and anyone that
can go to YouTube you can watch Tiger put on
those clinics on Mondays because that's where he was making
all of this money. The reason Tiger is a billionaire
is not because of the hundred million dollars he won
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on the course. It was all the stuff off the course.
And now you know, you could argue Scotty because the
money is so outrageous. I mean, I think he's made
one hundred million dollars, like the last eighteen months. So
it's like he'd argue, I don't even need to do
that stuff, which I don't want to do anyway.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
But I agree with you, But the sport needs him
to do it, yeah, or they need you know, really, Rory,
you know, I would say Brighton are more in that lane.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Scott, what's face is just he's just not really gonna
be if he hadn't gotten arrested. I mean, we think
he's boring now. I mean that I added at least
some you know, some name recognition to the casual fans.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's funny if you hadn't gotten arrested, that's it's very funny.
And he got arrested for literally like nothing. But regardless,
it's it's just amazing jumping coofs our guest here Doug
Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio, what do you think happens
with the Bengals? And I bring it up. We were
talking about Shamar Stewart, like he didn't have the option
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to go back to college. It's got to go there.
It very much feels agent driven, right, like you're trying
to change this language in a contract, and Mike Brown's
just like, I'm not changing the language in the contract.
How long are we going to how long we gonna
do this dance?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Yeah, it's kind of confusing. I mean I was reading
about it last night. It feels like other teams are
doing the same thing that Mike Brown wants to do
around that range. And he's like, I listened, we're talking
about it. This guy goes to prison. Well, this isn't
that complicated here. I think these situations, I think there
are some parallels. Not you know, I'm not paralleling Michaeh
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Parsons to the guys in Cincinnati, but both owners in
Cincinnati and in Dallas are essentially the GMS, and you
know they are. You know, Mike Brown usually doesn't talk
as much, but he starts talking. It becomes kind of
a chaotic situation. All these gms now and most of
these owners, most owners never say a peep, never say anything,
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and they just go, hey deal. I'll give Jimmy has
Them some credit. Remember when Miles Garrett went to the
Super Bowl and was like, I want to trade and
then Rich Paul was like, we want a meeting, and
Jimmy Hasd's like, talk to the GM, that's his job.
That was it, you know, and I just think that
sometimes these agents, know what would the agents say yesterday
about Dick Tobin and Stewart's situation, He's I got the
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above his pay grade. He's not running point on this
like geez. Once he's become public, which doesn't happen as
much anymore, right, because social media becomes so magnified. You
just want to avoid this at all costs. Like negotiations
are hard as they are, but like TJ Watt, I
would imagine that wasn't an easy negotiation behind the scenes,
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but it was behind the scenes. And I think these
situations become so public and becomes so toxic that I
don't know, I don't know how you put the genie
back in the bottle once everyone's just so angry, and
it clearly like it's not like this is Drosenhouse for
Tom Condon. You know, I don't know how well this
guy is first in the NFL landscape as an agent.
So it feels like it's getting worse before it's going
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to get better.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you
mentioned Jerry Jones. I do think that one thing that's
interesting that we never bring up is It's like, be
critical of Jerry Jones for not, you know, signing Micah Parsons,
although he didn't even call him by the rate and
right name right Michael Parson, so showing his age. But
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we don't factor in the very strong likelihood that Parsons
is asking for a ridiculous contract, and we're only critical
of Jerry for not signing him to a contract which
is very likely to be a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Yeah, to me, my criticism would be just based on
the way other successful teams do business. Obviously, Jerry is
an outlier given he talks i mean once the season starts,
multiple times a week, the radio show, and then after
games win or lose. You know, he like all these
situations are difficult. I mean I've seen it with the
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forty nine ers held a couple of years ago. Nick
Bosa came down to like the last week before the
season because he was asking for such a lot of
money and they were having tough negotiations. But it's a
pretty standard practice. If you hear a coach or a
GM asked about the negotiations, they go, yeah, we're just
gonna keep that between the agents and the player. And
I think when Jerry who just does what Jerry does
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just creates like what he said. You know, I'm a
newly married guy, and you learn pretty fast, like everything
you think you don't need to say, right, something like
what Jerry said wasn't wrong. Mike Parson's miss games. That's
miss games. We all know that, right, but he just
it kind of strokes the fire. Here's the go thing.
And you know this in recruiting, like most guys, I
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think the average age for a guy getting their first
contract right past you know, they've passed the rookie deal,
so of getting an extension, I would say is like
average is twenty four or twenty five years old. So
you are dealing with young men that are highly emotional,
and the agent obviously has his tentacles in him. So
these situations Jerry's just make him worse, and he obviously
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makes them really public. It becomes like a you know,
like an NBA headline. But it wouldn't exist if Jerry
didn't talk, which obviously is not going to happen because
it feels like his favorite thing to do is tell
you about everything that's going on. Now. Granted says prerogative
is his team, but I would imagine whenever, and I'm
not rooting for Gerry to go anywhere, but whenever Steven's
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in control and the point guy, the Cowboys probably quiet
down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, did
you know Philip Rivers wasn't retired?
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I said that yesterday when I saw the headline, I
assumed he retired, like back when, like Peyton Manning. Did
I know that he's been gone forever?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
We were talking about this before the show. I mean,
I think he's all a famer, but more than anything, like,
I just I don't feel cheated by the Philip rivers
eg experience as a Charger fan, right like, never got
to the Super Bowl. Heck, I don't think they got
to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But I never felt toward against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh that's right. And he played with the torn ACL
and n LT didn't play and he had a minor neathing.
Yeah yeah, I mean that's like the ultimate stuff, right Like,
played in an AFC champions who game with the torn ACL?
Now he was he was never a good athlete, so
I'm not sure it really hurt him, but it did
could not have felt felt good having had a torn
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a cl and then tried to go for a walk
with my dogs and stepped in a hole. It was
the greatest pain I ever felt in my life. So yeah,
I do, I actually do feel that. But I never felt,
never felt cheated by the by the by the by
the Philip Rivers experience well part of it.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
It was like a golfer. At any moment, he could
hit it out of bounds. I mean he threw some picks,
but he could also have games that would just like
this guy is such a badass. You know. He didn't
have a great arm, which I think led to some picks,
especially the little Layton games when he was pressing. Uh,
he's kind of like the poor man's Peyton Manning. But
in terms of respect and like hall of fame, to me,
my standards are a little higher I think than most.
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You tell me he gets in one day, wouldn't be
surprised to me. Probably in the hall of really good.
I've always thought, though, Doug, that you know, seeing some
of these guys like Drew Bury is a good example,
awesome guy. If he was your quarterback and you're stoked, right,
he'd probably be an awesome GM or an offensive coordinator.
I just don't think he's great on TV. I think
Philip Rivers, if you put him in like the CBS,
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like just a crew, he would be a star. You know,
his passion, his energy.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Think he would be so good and he would kind
of like what Romo did for his career, but it
even be different. I just think he's a little more likable.
I don't know. I think he'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You and I, you and I both. I mean, he
used to we go down there for Chargers camp every year,
and you get done talk with me like, I think
you might invite me for dinner tonight. You know, he
just has that warmth and that ability to make it.
I feel like you're best.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I think he could be John Madden as a player,
you know, kind of that kind of personality. Just I
think he would have been a superstar on TV, which
he made so much money. He's got fifty kids.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I don't know if ever well, I think he said
he wants he loves ball, like his dad was a coach,
and he wants to coach, so he's like coaching high
school ball.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
And I think it's kid good, right, I mean, I
think it's like fifteen year old or sixteen year.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Old, one of them has one of them has to
be good. Just the numbers tell you that one of
them has to be good, right exactly. I mean they're
probably not all good. There's got to be one that's
like now, now he's shaving his tongue with a razor,
right like multiplicity. Uh, but I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
We're gonna we're gonna feel really old. We're gonna feel
really old with it.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
It's one thing Cooper's son is good. But like, yeah,
when Philip Rivers or Matt Stafford has a kid that's
like draft eligible, you're gonna be like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, Well Philip Rivers could have like an entire offense
be all his kids. That might be Yeah, I'd be fascinating, right,
that'd be the jumping acoff. The Three and Out is
the podcast. Check it out on the Volume podcast Network. John,
thanks so much for joining us do Stug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. You know the only thing
(28:13):
about and I probably could ask John about this one,
but the only thing about this crew, I think Sam
is the one guy who we connect on this is
like this is the hardest week and a half. But
once you get to August, you're starting to get excited
about college football.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Definitely.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
And we have ACC media days, big ten media days
coverage on right now, so we're ramping up. We're gearing
up here and it is almost when we're in the
second half of July. Here, the month is gonna be
over before we know it. And just seeing these coaches
and players representing their teams at these media days, you're like, yep,
college football rider on the.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's so weird though, right, Like, okay, so now we
have a playoff, but the leagues are very different. Some
you don't play teams you used to playing. You do
play teams you're not used to playing all the most
of the teams are brand new. You know, you get
like fifteen padded practices. Then you're playing a game. Now
you can survive an early season loss, whereas previously you
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couldn't remember they have week zero in week one and
all that other stuff, like I don't even know which
week is week zero. I think is August thirtieth, week zero?
No idea, but man, I I start when once I
see an eight at the start of a month, immediately
all I can think of, is well, college football. College
(29:35):
football August twenty third is when it kicks off. Yeah,
August twenty You've got some state in k state in
Ireland conference game.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Yeah, Ireland College for Airling is college fool Classic, but
it will it'll count as a conference game.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So they don't get a little appetizer. Nothing really that
stase she doesn't get excited for it the way we do.
We're like geeking out about it.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Say, Kansas, that's not bad. The rest of my Stanford Awaii,
It's okay. It's little appetizer.
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Speaker 5 (30:36):
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Speaker 1 (30:41):
Show, Monte Blagias. What's the game today?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Coach? We are playing rank up. That's right, So you're
gonna be ranking a variety of things for me and
the listeners here. Coach, let's start off rank the top
three most relevant college football programs. As you and I was, Sam,
we're getting so excited and geeking out about the upcoming
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football season. Ranked the top three most relevant.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
College as you guys are getting.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
You are geeking out. Yeah it's awesome, yes, yes, but
now now I know when it starts and all that,
so thank you. Now we got the dates.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, uh, top three most relevant. Yes, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
Ohio State three, Ohio State three, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'm gonna say Bama two and Georgia one. And I'll
tell you my logic behind Yeah, please do. Georgia went
back to back national titles. We're a little bit like
we're always kind of late to catch up a little bit.
And I think that although they were just okay last year,
I mean they're good last year, still made the College
(32:06):
Fall Playoff. You know they're still okay. I you know
you went back to back. Tellson Alabama has been the
most dominant in the last twenty years to fall. Yeah,
and then Ohio State is right there like one B
with Alabama and they're coming off a national title win.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
So those are my three, Doug, I think Steve Sarkisian
and Texas would like a word with you. They have
been quite hot on the recruiting trail. Texas Longhorns honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, I mean Texas has really been the Dallas Cowboys
of college football since they were in the National Championship
game way back when. Obviously, this past year reinvigorated them.
And because they have what's his name manning a quarterback,
I think they'll be super relevant this year. But I'm
talking about overall relevance. I'll still go with the other schools.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Interesting. I'm surprised Oregon wasn't mentioned also, even as an
honorable mention for relevancy.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Or it could be honorable mention if you want honorable mentions.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
There's lots of hooray, you're right, we're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We need a Notre Dame is an honorable mention?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, yes for the tops, yes, yes, yes, all right,
let's move on here. Let's stick with football though, But
just uh, head to the NFL rank the top or
the four just in the order. Rank the teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
East in terms of relevance.
Speaker 10 (33:26):
No, how do you think they're going to worst to
best finish? Yeah? Who will win the division? Or how
will you rank them? Just the four in the NFC East.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Giant from the from the bottom to the top.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, from the bottom of the top.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Giants, Cowboys, Commanders, Eagles, Eagles at one.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Eagles will win again. Yeah, there's been parody in that
division for like twenty one years. There's been no repeat
division winner, and you got them winning. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I I could see Washington, but I fear of sophomore
slump there, so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles,
all right, all right?
Speaker 10 (34:05):
The division I find very interesting. NFC North coach those Yeah, well,
you know I.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Do live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, so we know who's
being ranked number one.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
Bears four, Bears four Yeah, okay, Bears four, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
For Vikings No, Lions three Vikings two. Packers won. Wow, Well,
the Lions lost their coordinators players, Like sure, I think
it's a little bit of a refresh year. Bears look
better and looked better at the end of last year.
But a lot of new pieces, a lot of new stuff.
(34:45):
And you know, I don't know about Vikings at quarterback,
but other quarterbacks that perform really well. JJ McCarthy is
a rookie. I mean, you got a guy who's quarterback
whispers a head coaching kind of skill. And I know
that the Packers only won one game in division last year.
Yeah yeah, uh, but better at wide receiver, better across
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the board. And you know, if Jordan loves turn the
ball over less, I think they win more games.
Speaker 10 (35:13):
Yeah, all right, all right, I like it.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
I like it.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
Okay, moving on here, Jimmy Graham announced that he is retiring,
so ranked the top three most well known Saints players.
Saints had a lot of retirees this offseason.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The top three most well known Saints players. Yeah, okay,
Breeze is at one, Yeah for sure. Alvin Kamara, I
go Alvin Kamara. And what's some man's name, the defensive
(35:55):
lineman who's really bright. Good interview. I'm not forgetting. Nobody's
helped me out.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
I wish I wish was here.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
M Jordan. I'm gonna do Cam Jordan three nice and
then you know who one is, and Alvin Kamara two,
Drew Brees.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
One that makes sense and that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's a Doug Gotlab show coming up next year. On
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We're at your service. Good to have my boy. Jay
stew Back obviously heard the lovely Montsey Belanos, So I'm
sure it's excited about Chris Paul two point zero in Clipperland,
(00:46):
and of course, uh the always steady Iowa Sam on
the ones and twos as he gets ready for the
second half of the w NBA season, which he just
geeks out for. Let's just call it like it is.
He's excited. Here you go, He's he's excited, excited and excitable.
I think we had a pretty good show. I think
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it's gonna be a good day. I hope you're having
a great summer sad news Ozzy Osbourne dies at the
age of seventy six. When I say sad, it's anybody
who dies, it's sad. But as I think Jay stew
you said, or was it you? Sam? Like a bit
of an upset. Ozzy Osbourne made it seventy six years right?
Who was it? Which which one of you two said that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
No, that's definitely my humor, and it is an upset,
Like I remember when we were watching The Osbourne's thinking,
this guy's only got a couple more months to whip. Yeah,
like twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, there was a certain there was a point there
where you felt like there was a weekend at Berney's
taking place right where you're like, gee, they just propping
him up for this show. But Ozzy Osbourne and I
thought the point, you know, without trying to make it,
because I think you left it so that I could
make it, that you make it. The Osbourne's was a
(01:59):
bit of a breakthrough show, right. It paved the way
for the Kardashians. I don't know if the Keeping Up
with the Kardashians happens or is as is as successful
without the Osborns. Maybe that's for your next pod jays
too for your next Bachelor lifestyle pod. Good idea, Yeah,
(02:20):
because without the Bachelor and without the Bachelor in Paradise,
Love Island has no chance of being as big as
it's been. Again, more ideas for your podcast. That's what
I do here. Don't have ideas for my show for
your podcast. I thought Colin had some some really interesting
things to say earlier today in regards to Jerry Jones
(02:45):
and talking about when you try and do try and
be great at a bunch of things, you end up
being average at all of them. And he was of
course specifically responding to Jerry Jones when he was asked
if he thought he'd ever bring in another guy to
be the actual gentleman manager. Here was his response yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
A stepping away as general manager. Ever been even a
momentary consideration for the years? H Yes, momentary, A lot
of moments.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Now we're getting down to it, small fractions of seconds
as you know, you see it. I'm in the Senior bowls.
Combines all of that, all of that melts in two
a real good feeling about where we are so that
(03:54):
I'm not sitting up there throwing darts about a player.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So there's a couple different parts to it. And I'm
gonna give you a basketball analogy. You tell me if
it makes sense. Jase too, Sam, So there are coaches
in college basketball who other people substitute for. Like I
know of a really really good coach and he doesn't.
He doesn't do the subs And I just to me,
(04:23):
that's well, that's like in pregnance, having somebody else impregnant
your wife when you're fully capable of doing it, right.
That's that's my thought about it, especially when the former
the coach is a former player and a really good one, right,
because what you're supposed to bring to the table is
(04:43):
not the relatability, but also, hey, you've been a player,
so you use that player's intuition. He's been a coach
for a long time. He's a really good coach. But again,
it's just interesting allowing other people to do things. Now,
when you hear how Jerry Jones explains it, I think
he tells you the truth without you, without most people
(05:04):
hearing it. The last part when he's like, you see
me the Senior Bowl. You see me here, you see
me there, So we're not just kind of going blind.
The point is in the NFL, you draft, you let
your scouts do their job. You have all kinds of layers,
and you're at the top as the general manager and
the owner of like a of the pyramid. And the
(05:25):
point I made about the subbing and the letting somebody
else impregnant your wife is you know, we can all
tell Jerry Jones what he should do from our perspective
as outsiders. The reality is, if you own the most
valuable team in professional sports and you want to be
the genlem manager, you can be the genlem manager. If
you want to be the quarterback, you give me the quarterback.
(05:46):
If you want to be the coach, you can be
the coach. Like that's your money, you're allowed to do it.
That's where the expression owners own, because owners owns. At
the end of the day, they want to do something,
they just damn well do it. No problem, problem solved.
But I I I also think we have a misconception
or misperception of what actually takes place, is that he's
(06:11):
not making all these picks on his own. But what
he can do is they can say, Hey, I like
this guy. I saw it the Singer Bowl. I like
that guy. Let's take that guy. It's not to say
that what the Cowboys are doing is perfect or right.
And I do think there's a certain amount of what
Colin's saying which is dead to nuts accurate, because it's
(06:36):
not just the GMing and the marketing, and it's they
haven't done a good job of hiring the right coaches.
They become beholden to players who they should let go.
The drafting at times has been really good, at times
it hasn't. Sometimes they've signed somebody willie Nilly out a
free agency that didn't make sense. It's all those things
(06:58):
combined are just coming up short, and so the team
constantly just comes up short. But all of our opinions
don't matter because we didn't pay the money. We didn't
raise the money, pay the money own the Cowboys. We
weren't owning the Cowboys when they want to call three
Super Bowls. So Jerry's allowed to do what he's allowed
(07:20):
to do. If he wants to let somebody else impregnant
his wife, fine, if he wants to do it, fine.
In this particular case, he's like I could hire somebody else,
but I know what I want and I let my
scouts do their job. And the last part is if
we're being honest, For the most part, the Cowboys has
done a really good job of their overall talent level. Granted,
(07:42):
the Eagles have found a way to sort of put
themselves ahead of everybody else, but up until last year,
there hasn't been anybody who's like, you know, the Cowboys
just don't have that much talent. Hasn't been the case.
That hasn't what been what has kept the Cowboys from
performing in the playoffs. I don't think Dak's that good,
(08:04):
and I think they're in that little bit quarterback purgatory.
I do think there are some other decisions they have
made in terms of re signing players. Ezekiel Elliott that
wasn't a good contract and it screwed a bunch of
other things up. So I'm not saying he's perfect, But
the idea that you bring in a different GM, he
didn't have to. If you own the team, you want
(08:24):
to be the GM, and he'd done a good enough job,
and they've done a good enough job for the last
fifteen years. He doesn't have to now, Yes, if you
do too much, something will fall short. And I think
it's in the coaching hires they make, and in the
decision at quarterback. They got stuck there. They had Romo,
(08:50):
he had his flaws in the playoffs, but then he
was coming back. They stuck with Dak. Dak's been their guy,
and you do fear letting that guy walk out the
door because finding the next quarterback is so so difficult
if you don't have one, as opposed, it feels a
little easier when you do have one. All right, we
(09:14):
get back on the Cowboys in a second, but I
you know, I look at I look at Jerry, and
I'm not defending him, but everybody talks about him giving
up GM duties and talent on that football team has
not been the problem. Coaching quarterback play, some aging out
of some guys, and yeah, if being the GM, in
(09:36):
terms of how you re sign guys, how you structure
the contracts, what it all looks like. That is on Jerry.
That is his issue. But that doesn't mean you can't
hire somebody to help you with those issues while still
maintaining the kind of overarching theme of being the general manager.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
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Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So so, reputations
are really really hard to shed, right, really hard to shed.
And the Bengals have a reputation of being cheap. Now,
the Bengals, you go back to when Carson Palmer was
their quarterback. Remember Carson before he got rolled up on
by Chemo Van Ohoffen signed the biggest contract in the
(10:26):
history of the sport. Now Carson retired and then came back,
not because of how much the Bengals were gonna pay him,
more so for all the other stuff they were accused
of being cheap with. You know, Guyston State, a hotel
near the stadium night before a game, old towels, no indoor,
(10:49):
just the way in which they handled it, and the
Bengals gets twenty years ago. Bengals have been digging out
from that ever since. Now, they got Burrow Chase, and
they put together a heck of an offensive lineup. But
you drafted defensive back in the first round who to
this point has not showed up in Shamar Stewart and
(11:10):
the guy who's led you in sacks the past two
years posts a video of him leaving the state of
Ohio as he's holding out for a bigger contract. Here's
Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, talking about Shamar
Stewart's hold up.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
If we get a player who gets involved in something
like that or does something that is just unacceptable, guess what.
I don't want to pay him. I really don't. If
he's sitting in jail, I don't think I ought to
be paying him. And so we say that if he
got involved in conduct detrimental, we'd have the right to
(11:45):
terminate the guaranteed part for the back years. As agent says,
oh no, you can terminate the guaranteed part only for
the remaining part of the year in which the event occurs. Oddly,
something like this has never occurred with us. I don't
think it's going to occur. So we're sitting here arguing
(12:08):
over something that I think is pretty remote, and I
ask myself sometimes why the hell we're doing it. But
we are, and he's doing it too, and at some
point we got to put this stuff behind and just
get him up here and get him so he can
be a contributor.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, I mean like, look at some point, I truly
believe this. And this relates to the Micah Parsons thing.
It relates to all this talk about fully guaranteed contracts,
like so much of this stuff is agent driven, agent driven,
and what happens is you won't have You're not gonna
(12:52):
have owners or gms or coaches talk negatively about agents
because they fear the repercussions of agents going like, now
you're never gonna get my guy. We have the same
thing in college basketball, right we're dealing with agents and
if I were, if I were to out agents and
something I disagree with what they're doing, there is a
sense of, well, man, now I'm never going to get
a guy from an agent.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Just not.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So he won't say it. I will. What Mike Brown's
talking about is this all sufs ridiculous, Like we're not
just going to sign a guy to a contract and
no matter what he gets paid, nobody does it. We're
not doing it. If the guy wants to play football,
we'll see him Monday. It's no different than these The
idea of having fully guaranteed contracts and off all teams
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would absolutely do fully guaranteed contracts for like two years
maybe three. They tack on the extra years a little
bit to protect themselves, but mostly for the agents. They
can go like, hey, look he signed for two hundred
and fifty million dollars. Like, yeah, it's like a one hundred
and for three. No, no, it's two fifty. That only
(14:06):
helps the agent and the agency go. The agent doesn't
get paid more on it. They only get paid their
percentage based upon what the player actually brings in, So
that ain't it. Does it help the team a little
bit because you can do some creative math and hide
some money from the salary cap, but eventually you're gonna
have to pay that too. But make no mistake about it.
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Hendrickson again, I'm sure he wants too much for too long,
but he's not going anywhere because they own his rights.
Even when his contracts up, they can franchise tag him.
He's not going anywhere. And Shamar Stewart there, you know,
when you're a first round pick, you got to start
that clock in order to get to being to being
(14:53):
having your second contract, and he can't start that clock
if you're doing if you're working out a text A
and M and he has no leverage. You know, it's
floated out there that you go back to the draft,
and then they found out actually can't go back to
the draft. All right, stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, Jayceu, there were rumors that you took yesterday
off because you just couldn't handle what's happening with the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, that's not me. That's not me. I'm not that
kind of fan. I take it personally, but I don't
do that. I face the music, you know, I come in,
I take all the all the bullets. So what do
you got for me? What's uh? What do you hate
most about the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I don't hate about the Dodgers. I was just saying
they you know, the Brewers swept them, not once, but twice.
I just want to know if you're you're doing okay.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think with Brewers are a better team at this
point than the Dodgers. They're the best team in baseball,
the best right.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They're on fire. They're they're on fire right now. I
mean they're just like this is one of those I
don't know if you say peak too soon, but they
are peaking.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Maybe uh, maybe next week wazy talk show producers and
hosts couldn't do the segment Are the Brewers bad for baseball?
Have the Brewers ruined baseball? That's John Middlecoff, Let me
run and get.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That, okay, Are the Brewers bad for bab Are the
Brewers bad for baseball? We'll do that next on first take.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
That's baseball, just.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Rolling, rolling, I will be. I'm gonna I have like
two weeks in between, but taking next Wednesday off to
do day game at American Financial Field Cubs Brewers so
and really, honestly, the real reason I'm going American Financial
(16:39):
Field is that what it is our American family, What
is the name, what is the insurance company? I'm totally
butchering it. I met the CEO. Now if feel like
an idiot, but that's okay. They had the best popcorn
inmateor League Baseball, American favorate field, so I thought American
fanfield so unbelievable. Popcorn Unbelievablejohn Middlecoff joins US three now is.
(17:00):
The podcast also has the Going Low podcast. I said
this yesterday in regards to Scottie Scheffler winning the Open Championship.
The Unsuperstar Superstar is one of those things that is relatable,
but it doesn't really help the sport at all, Like
it's just at all, Like aug shucks, it's just golf.
(17:23):
It doesn't change who I am. I'm just a guy. Again. Great,
but doesn't sell the sport the way that support needs
to be sold.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, I would say it's not apples apples, But I
think he's kind of got like Jokic. You know, anyone
you know, you're a basketball guy through infer you watch,
You're like, there's one of the greatest players I've ever seen.
But it's like, yeah, I don't really care to do
any media, any marketing. I just I'm out once the
season end. While I'm on the court, I'll give you
everything I have and I'll mostly if my team's good
(17:53):
enough to dominate. Obviously Scotty controls bulk as an individual sports,
but everything else Nope. I mean of obviously Tiger you know,
I mean in your lifetime, Doug, I mean, will you
say an all time outlier of just anything. I mean,
he's one of the he's one of the most powerful
marketing machines. Where I would say of the last seventy
five years, and that sport especially there's two guys, Arnold
(18:15):
Palmer and Tiger Woods and even a little bit Greg
Norman the Shark that transcend the sport. I mean, that's
what Michael Jordan did, That's what Tom Brady and Faydon
Manning do. That's just not what this guy does. He's probably,
you know, I'm not old enough to remember, like in
the peak, like a Tom Watson type. But there's kind
of a boring aspect to him. And he tells you like,
(18:38):
don't expect anything else. I think even speak. I mean,
all these guys. Now, part of it is some of
these guys are calling off the cliff so they make
so much money off the course. He's like, yeah, we
do all this stuff on the Mondays, and anyone that
can go to YouTube you can watch Tiger put on
those clinics on Mondays because that's where he was making
all of this money. The reason Tiger is a billionaire
is not because of the hundred million dollars he won
(19:00):
on the course. It was all the stuff off the course.
And now you know, you could argue Scotty because the
money is so outrageous. I mean, I think he's made
one hundred million dollars, like the last eighteen months. So
it's like he'd argue, I don't even need to do
that stuff, which I don't want to do anyway.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
But I agree with you, But the sport needs him
to do it, yeah, or they need you know, really, Rory,
you know, I would say Brighton are more in that lane.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Scott, what's face is just he's just not really gonna
be if he hadn't gotten arrested. I mean, we think
he's boring now. I mean that I added at least
some you know, some name recognition to the casual fans.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's funny if you hadn't gotten arrested, that's it's very funny.
And he got arrested for literally like nothing. But regardless,
it's it's just amazing jumping coofs our guest here Doug
Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio, what do you think happens
with the Bengals? And I bring it up. We were
talking about Shamar Stewart, like he didn't have the option
(19:57):
to go back to college. It's got to go there.
It very much feels agent driven, right, like you're trying
to change this language in a contract, and Mike Brown's
just like, I'm not changing the language in the contract.
How long are we going to how long we gonna
do this dance?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Yeah, it's kind of confusing. I mean I was reading
about it last night. It feels like other teams are
doing the same thing that Mike Brown wants to do
around that range. And he's like, I listened, we're talking
about it. This guy goes to prison. Well, this isn't
that complicated here. I think these situations, I think there
are some parallels. Not you know, I'm not paralleling Michaeh
(20:35):
Parsons to the guys in Cincinnati, but both owners in
Cincinnati and in Dallas are essentially the GMS, and you
know they are. You know, Mike Brown usually doesn't talk
as much, but he starts talking. It becomes kind of
a chaotic situation. All these gms now and most of
these owners, most owners never say a peep, never say anything,
(20:58):
and they just go, hey deal. I'll give Jimmy has
Them some credit. Remember when Miles Garrett went to the
Super Bowl and was like, I want to trade and
then Rich Paul was like, we want a meeting, and
Jimmy Hasd's like, talk to the GM, that's his job.
That was it, you know, and I just think that
sometimes these agents, know what would the agents say yesterday
about Dick Tobin and Stewart's situation, He's I got the
(21:21):
above his pay grade. He's not running point on this
like geez. Once he's become public, which doesn't happen as
much anymore, right, because social media becomes so magnified. You
just want to avoid this at all costs. Like negotiations
are hard as they are, but like TJ Watt, I
would imagine that wasn't an easy negotiation behind the scenes,
(21:41):
but it was behind the scenes. And I think these
situations become so public and becomes so toxic that I
don't know, I don't know how you put the genie
back in the bottle once everyone's just so angry, and
it clearly like it's not like this is Drosenhouse for
Tom Condon. You know, I don't know how well this
guy is first in the NFL landscape as an agent.
So it feels like it's getting worse before it's going
(22:03):
to get better.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you
mentioned Jerry Jones. I do think that one thing that's
interesting that we never bring up is It's like, be
critical of Jerry Jones for not, you know, signing Micah Parsons,
although he didn't even call him by the rate and
right name right Michael Parson, so showing his age. But
(22:28):
we don't factor in the very strong likelihood that Parsons
is asking for a ridiculous contract, and we're only critical
of Jerry for not signing him to a contract which
is very likely to be a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Yeah, to me, my criticism would be just based on
the way other successful teams do business. Obviously, Jerry is
an outlier given he talks i mean once the season starts,
multiple times a week, the radio show, and then after
games win or lose. You know, he like all these
situations are difficult. I mean I've seen it with the
(23:02):
forty nine ers held a couple of years ago. Nick
Bosa came down to like the last week before the
season because he was asking for such a lot of
money and they were having tough negotiations. But it's a
pretty standard practice. If you hear a coach or a
GM asked about the negotiations, they go, yeah, we're just
gonna keep that between the agents and the player. And
I think when Jerry who just does what Jerry does
(23:24):
just creates like what he said. You know, I'm a
newly married guy, and you learn pretty fast, like everything
you think you don't need to say, right, something like
what Jerry said wasn't wrong. Mike Parson's miss games. That's
miss games. We all know that, right, but he just
it kind of strokes the fire. Here's the go thing.
And you know this in recruiting, like most guys, I
(23:46):
think the average age for a guy getting their first
contract right past you know, they've passed the rookie deal,
so of getting an extension, I would say is like
average is twenty four or twenty five years old. So
you are dealing with young men that are highly emotional,
and the agent obviously has his tentacles in him. So
these situations Jerry's just make him worse, and he obviously
(24:08):
makes them really public. It becomes like a you know,
like an NBA headline. But it wouldn't exist if Jerry
didn't talk, which obviously is not going to happen because
it feels like his favorite thing to do is tell
you about everything that's going on. Now. Granted says prerogative
is his team, but I would imagine whenever, and I'm
not rooting for Gerry to go anywhere, but whenever Steven's
(24:30):
in control and the point guy, the Cowboys probably quiet
down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, did
you know Philip Rivers wasn't retired?
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I said that yesterday when I saw the headline, I
assumed he retired, like back when, like Peyton Manning. Did
I know that he's been gone forever?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
We were talking about this before the show. I mean,
I think he's all a famer, but more than anything, like,
I just I don't feel cheated by the Philip rivers
eg experience as a Charger fan, right like, never got
to the Super Bowl. Heck, I don't think they got
to the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But I never felt toward against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh that's right. And he played with the torn ACL
and n LT didn't play and he had a minor neathing.
Yeah yeah, I mean that's like the ultimate stuff, right Like,
played in an AFC champions who game with the torn ACL?
Now he was he was never a good athlete, so
I'm not sure it really hurt him, but it did
could not have felt felt good having had a torn
(25:31):
a cl and then tried to go for a walk
with my dogs and stepped in a hole. It was
the greatest pain I ever felt in my life. So yeah,
I do, I actually do feel that. But I never felt,
never felt cheated by the by the by the by
the Philip Rivers experience well part of it.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
It was like a golfer. At any moment, he could
hit it out of bounds. I mean he threw some picks,
but he could also have games that would just like
this guy is such a badass. You know. He didn't
have a great arm, which I think led to some picks,
especially the little Layton games when he was pressing. Uh,
he's kind of like the poor man's Peyton Manning. But
in terms of respect and like hall of fame, to me,
my standards are a little higher I think than most.
(26:08):
You tell me he gets in one day, wouldn't be
surprised to me. Probably in the hall of really good.
I've always thought, though, Doug, that you know, seeing some
of these guys like Drew Bury is a good example,
awesome guy. If he was your quarterback and you're stoked, right,
he'd probably be an awesome GM or an offensive coordinator.
I just don't think he's great on TV. I think
Philip Rivers, if you put him in like the CBS,
(26:30):
like just a crew, he would be a star. You know,
his passion, his energy.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Think he would be so good and he would kind
of like what Romo did for his career, but it
even be different. I just think he's a little more likable.
I don't know. I think he'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You and I, you and I both. I mean, he
used to we go down there for Chargers camp every year,
and you get done talk with me like, I think
you might invite me for dinner tonight. You know, he
just has that warmth and that ability to make it.
I feel like you're best.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I think he could be John Madden as a player,
you know, kind of that kind of personality. Just I
think he would have been a superstar on TV, which
he made so much money. He's got fifty kids.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I don't know if ever well, I think he said
he wants he loves ball, like his dad was a coach,
and he wants to coach, so he's like coaching high
school ball.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
And I think it's kid good, right, I mean, I
think it's like fifteen year old or sixteen year.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Old, one of them has one of them has to
be good. Just the numbers tell you that one of
them has to be good, right exactly. I mean they're
probably not all good. There's got to be one that's
like now, now he's shaving his tongue with a razor,
right like multiplicity. Uh, but I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
We're gonna we're gonna feel really old. We're gonna feel
really old with it.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
It's one thing Cooper's son is good. But like, yeah,
when Philip Rivers or Matt Stafford has a kid that's
like draft eligible, you're gonna be like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, Well Philip Rivers could have like an entire offense
be all his kids. That might be Yeah, I'd be fascinating, right,
that'd be the jumping acoff. The Three and Out is
the podcast. Check it out on the Volume podcast Network. John,
thanks so much for joining us do Stug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Radio. You know the only thing
(28:13):
about and I probably could ask John about this one,
but the only thing about this crew, I think Sam
is the one guy who we connect on this is
like this is the hardest week and a half. But
once you get to August, you're starting to get excited
about college football.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Definitely.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
And we have ACC media days, big ten media days
coverage on right now, so we're ramping up. We're gearing
up here and it is almost when we're in the
second half of July. Here, the month is gonna be
over before we know it. And just seeing these coaches
and players representing their teams at these media days, you're like, yep,
college football rider on the.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's so weird though, right, Like, okay, so now we
have a playoff, but the leagues are very different. Some
you don't play teams you used to playing. You do
play teams you're not used to playing all the most
of the teams are brand new. You know, you get
like fifteen padded practices. Then you're playing a game. Now
you can survive an early season loss, whereas previously you
(29:12):
couldn't remember they have week zero in week one and
all that other stuff, like I don't even know which
week is week zero. I think is August thirtieth, week zero?
No idea, but man, I I start when once I
see an eight at the start of a month, immediately
all I can think of, is well, college football. College
(29:35):
football August twenty third is when it kicks off. Yeah,
August twenty You've got some state in k state in
Ireland conference game.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
Yeah, Ireland College for Airling is college fool Classic, but
it will it'll count as a conference game.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So they don't get a little appetizer. Nothing really that
stase she doesn't get excited for it the way we do.
We're like geeking out about it.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Say, Kansas, that's not bad. The rest of my Stanford Awaii,
It's okay. It's little appetizer.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
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Speaker 1 (30:12):
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Speaker 5 (30:36):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Show, Monte Blagias. What's the game today?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Coach? We are playing rank up. That's right, So you're
gonna be ranking a variety of things for me and
the listeners here. Coach, let's start off rank the top
three most relevant college football programs. As you and I was, Sam,
we're getting so excited and geeking out about the upcoming
(31:08):
football season. Ranked the top three most relevant.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
College as you guys are getting.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
You are geeking out. Yeah it's awesome, yes, yes, but
now now I know when it starts and all that,
so thank you. Now we got the dates.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, uh, top three most relevant. Yes, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
Ohio State three, Ohio State three, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'm gonna say Bama two and Georgia one. And I'll
tell you my logic behind Yeah, please do. Georgia went
back to back national titles. We're a little bit like
we're always kind of late to catch up a little bit.
And I think that although they were just okay last year,
I mean they're good last year, still made the College
(32:06):
Fall Playoff. You know they're still okay. I you know
you went back to back. Tellson Alabama has been the
most dominant in the last twenty years to fall. Yeah,
and then Ohio State is right there like one B
with Alabama and they're coming off a national title win.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
So those are my three, Doug, I think Steve Sarkisian
and Texas would like a word with you. They have
been quite hot on the recruiting trail. Texas Longhorns honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, I mean Texas has really been the Dallas Cowboys
of college football since they were in the National Championship
game way back when. Obviously, this past year reinvigorated them.
And because they have what's his name manning a quarterback,
I think they'll be super relevant this year. But I'm
talking about overall relevance. I'll still go with the other schools.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Interesting. I'm surprised Oregon wasn't mentioned also, even as an
honorable mention for relevancy.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Or it could be honorable mention if you want honorable mentions.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
There's lots of hooray, you're right, we're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We need a Notre Dame is an honorable mention?
Speaker 10 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah, yes for the tops, yes, yes, yes, all right,
let's move on here. Let's stick with football though, But
just uh, head to the NFL rank the top or
the four just in the order. Rank the teams in
the NFC.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
East in terms of relevance.
Speaker 10 (33:26):
No, how do you think they're going to worst to
best finish? Yeah? Who will win the division? Or how
will you rank them? Just the four in the NFC East.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Giant from the from the bottom to the top.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Yeah, from the bottom of the top.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Giants, Cowboys, Commanders, Eagles, Eagles at one.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Eagles will win again. Yeah, there's been parody in that
division for like twenty one years. There's been no repeat
division winner, and you got them winning. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I I could see Washington, but I fear of sophomore
slump there, so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Eagles,
all right, all right?
Speaker 10 (34:05):
The division I find very interesting. NFC North coach those Yeah, well,
you know I.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Do live in Green Bay, Wisconsin, so we know who's
being ranked number one.
Speaker 10 (34:18):
Bears four, Bears four Yeah, okay, Bears four, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
For Vikings No, Lions three Vikings two. Packers won. Wow, Well,
the Lions lost their coordinators players, Like sure, I think
it's a little bit of a refresh year. Bears look
better and looked better at the end of last year.
But a lot of new pieces, a lot of new stuff.
(34:45):
And you know, I don't know about Vikings at quarterback,
but other quarterbacks that perform really well. JJ McCarthy is
a rookie. I mean, you got a guy who's quarterback
whispers a head coaching kind of skill. And I know
that the Packers only won one game in division last year.
Yeah yeah, uh, but better at wide receiver, better across
(35:08):
the board. And you know, if Jordan loves turn the
ball over less, I think they win more games.
Speaker 10 (35:13):
Yeah, all right, all right, I like it.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
I like it.
Speaker 10 (35:16):
Okay, moving on here, Jimmy Graham announced that he is retiring,
so ranked the top three most well known Saints players.
Saints had a lot of retirees this offseason.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The top three most well known Saints players. Yeah, okay,
Breeze is at one, Yeah for sure. Alvin Kamara, I
go Alvin Kamara. And what's some man's name, the defensive
(35:55):
lineman who's really bright. Good interview. I'm not forgetting. Nobody's
helped me out.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
I wish I wish was here.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
M Jordan. I'm gonna do Cam Jordan three nice and
then you know who one is, and Alvin Kamara two,
Drew Brees.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
One that makes sense and that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's a Doug Gotlab show coming up next year. On
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