December 7, 2017 • 47 mins
Doug thinks the Browns might have made the wrong decisions by firing general manager Sashi Brown and keeping head coach Hue Jackson. He explains why LaVar Ball is showing again he has no idea what he's doing by signing LiAngelo and LaMelo to an agent and forgoing their college eligibility. Peter King from The MMQB joins the show to discuss what the Giants will do about finding a new head coach and general manager.
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This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from the City of
Angels where at least in Los Angeles County, the fires
appeared to be out. Venture counting not so lucky, and
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we continue to plow through an NFL season leading us
up to the super Bowl and Minneapolis. We will be
on site at the super Bowl. That'll be a ton
of fun. Um woof Oh, this is uh really tough news.
You heard from Dan Buyer and reading some more reports
about it. When I saw it come out, I thought,
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that's not good and um like, some of this is
you have to read tea leaves and some of it
is you just gotta wait for the information to come out.
But about a half hour ago, the University of Pittsburgh
Medical Center, remember yesterday Ryan Chasier was moved from Cincinnati
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to Pittsburgh. Last night, UMPC Neurosurgeons in Pittsburgh Steelers team
physician Dr David uh Okona woh going for it and
Joseph Maroon performed spinal stabilization surgery on Ryan Shasier to
address his spinal injury. And so the second I saw that,
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I was like, that doesn't sound good, because the first
reports were maybe to just a spinal concussion. He misses
a game, he'll be back, no surgery required. But then
though he was transferred to the hospitals, he didn't walk
out under his own power. He wasn't pushed out in
a in a wheelchair. There was no video, meaning he
was probably stabilized, you know, and on a flat board
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and on a gurney and moved from and flown from
Cincinnati to Pittsburgh. And then when you go from no
surgery to spinal st stabilization, which can be invasive or
minimally invasive, but all of it in some way fuses
either the spine, uh, you know, vertebrates to themselves or
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vertebrates to one another. It just does not That doesn't
sound good. Then you get this report from ESPNS. Michelle Steele.
She got off the phone with Dr Anthony Lessie, who
consults with the NFL p A. He asked him about
Shaisier spinal stabilization surgery. Quote, it's not good. We're not
going to see him this season. He may not play
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football again. He went on to say that this surgery
is needed win bones around the spinal cord or dislocated.
This is more severe injury than a contusion. Uh, it's
a more severe inury injury on our hands than we thought.
And so now you get to the point where you
just hope Ryan Cheesier can walk again, let alone, you know,
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forget about playing football. And then the cold callous football
fan in you says, Okay, now, I now I think
the Steelers aren't gonna win the Super Bowl, right. I mean,
that's that's how big this injury is, how important he
is to the defense this time in the season, he's irreplaceable.
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Plus he's that good, that dynamical football player. That's what happened.
So if you're asking yourself, like, why would one people care?
Because Chase here is a great player and by all
accounts a really good dude. And secondly, in the football
sends in the trying to stick to just sports boy,
that really hurts any any hope you thought of the
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Steelers who have the talent and and probably in terms
of individual positions like Antonio Brown better than any but
any wide receiver. The Patriots have correct Levian Bell better
than anybody. The Patriots have running back Ryan Chase here
better at running back um T J. Wat and when
they got some monsters up front as well. But we've
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seen what's happened when Sean Lee is out for the Cowboys.
We've seen what's happened when Denzel Pyraman is out for
the Chargers. You lose your play collar defensively and your
best linebacker, and there is a house of cards the defense.
We hope she is back. We hope he's fine, that
this is just for precaution, and that he magically heals.
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That's not good news on all fronts for the Steelers.
Let's stay in division, shall we. The Cleveland Browns today
made a peculiar announcement. I find it peculiar because on
one hand, they announced the retention of their head coach,
Hugh Jackson. On the other hand, they announced the firing
of Sashi Brown. Here's who Hugh Jackson earlier today after
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Sashi Brown was fired. I'm just big part of it.
Sash is right now, we're a one in twenty you know,
one in twenty seven eight football team. I take my
responsibilion that too. I had to work through and get
better as well. But at the same time, you know,
I don't think it all should go towards him. I
think we all got to do our part. And this
is a performance based business. And like I said, I
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get it. My performance, if you measure it by wins
and losses, is not very good. But at the same time,
you know, I'm I'm in charge with coaching his team
and trying to do the best I can with what
I have, so he gets the We had Brett Brown
on earlier today, earlier this week. He's basically it was yesterday,
right if you want to download, and I I thought
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it was. Um. I mean, I find Brett Brown to
be fascinating right one because he has such a thick
Boston accent, right, I mean it just sounds straight out
of that the set of that departed. But secondly, because
I find him fact, I find it fast because I look,
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he had to he had to sit over there on
the sidelines and do his best to coach a team
that talent wise had no chance of competing. And that
and while we want to get onto Sasgi Brown because
they missed on quarterbacks the past couple of years. They
traded out of the Carson Wentz pick, they could have
had Deshaun Watson. It's also fair to say that Carson
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Wentz might not be Carson Wentz had he been drafted
by the Browns. That Deshaun Watson before he was injured
might not have been Deshaun Watson had he played with
the Browns. Like when you don't have a good enough
offensive line and you don't have Josh Brown until last week,
you don't have good enough running backs, Like, yeah, but
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what what what happens in football is what happens in life.
You generally go the opposite way. You generally go the
opposite way if you if you had we mentioned this with, um,
what's the guy's name, Chad who's hired is Arkansas's head
coach yesterday? Chad Morris. Right, if you're gonna follow Brett Bielima,
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who would love to put ten offensive lineman on the
field and one halfback as a quarterback, or just a
nine offensive lineman, you know, make offensive lineman eligible wide
receivers and just overload and mash you every time, you're
gonna follow him with Chad Morris, who's gonna spread out,
run some motion, you know, run horizontal, run vertical, throw
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the ball all around the football field. You go with
the opposite. Sashy Brown was a lawyer. Saucy Brown was
lead counsel for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Sashi Brown does not
have a background in football, right, I mean it was
a bizarre hire to begin with. Sascy Brown was the
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executive vice president of the Cleveland Browns and he was
the de facto general manager. He was a vor guy.
And look, they have Paul de Podesto, who's a baseball
guy and analytics guy, and they fired the guy and
they had to one of the two had to go
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because of the A J. Mccaren debacle. Right, the Browns
keep losing. They have all of these draft picks. I mean,
they're set up for ten years with draft picks. Their
salary cap situation is a good one. Like, they got
some really good things going for them, and their offensive
personnel is not bad. It's just young and Greg Williams
done a nice job with them defensively, they're competitive. So
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what are the Cleveland Browns gonna do. They're gonna do
what everybody does. They're gonna hire the absolute opposite. They
hired a guy with no football background. Now they're gonna
hire a guy that grunts, scratches himself, lives, eats, sleeps,
breathe football. Whoever they bring in is going to be
a football guy. You're gonna ask him what's for lunch,
He's gonna say football. Hey, what did you do the
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other night? Football? What are you thinking about? Going out
of town to football? The Browns are fascinating because they
are They are in the there in a similar position
to one in which the seventies sixers have been in,
to one in which the Astros were in, to one
that so many NBA and Major League Baseball teams are
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striving to get. The Giants would love to be in
the Browns situation. Nobody wants to be the laughing stock
of the NFL. But it's easy to be the laughing
stock of the NFL when you have a ton of
cap space. He got a ton of draft picks, and
he got some nice young pieces. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
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three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. While LaVar Ball thinks he
knows what he knows about the things he knows about,
he is getting into a world to which he has
so little clue it's kind of laughable and the sad
at the same time. The idea that le Angelo Ball,
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who would have struggled to get on the floor as
a freshman at U C l A, Is going to
play a high level of European basketball at nineteen twenty
years old, that that's completely uninformed. And then don't get
me started on LaMelo Ball, who's sixteen years old and
does have potential, but plays in a way to which
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no one plays or would allow that style to be
played overseas, and he wants them both to play together.
Like Glamelo Ball is a is a junior program sort
of guy, like all these any of the big European teams,
especially the ones in Spain. I'm in Russia. Um, Like
if if a Maccabi tel Aviv, that's the best team
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in Israel. If they signed him to a contract, and
they very well could, it would one be multi years,
and two they would reserve the right to assign him
to a SEC and Division team because he can't play.
They don't look the NBA will draft somebody on potential.
They have their G League. They own your rights. The
problem with that in Europe or in Asia is even
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if they think eventually you could develop into being a
really good player. But when you develop, you're gonna want
to leave and go to the NBA. We're not here
to develop you. We're the opposite of college basketball. College
basketball's sole purpose is to develop you as a player
and as a human being. That's it. Um one. They're
not good enough to play high level stuff individually. Too.
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You put them both together and it's an even worse
scenario because now you have to have two guys that
are young, two guys that aren't good enough, and you
run the risk of the dad getting mad because they're
not playing. Because you can't win with younger players. And
to anyone who says, well, they'd be in a they'd
be a draw, like not, that's not really how you
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make money with foreign teams. Foreign teams to make money
based upon their sponsorships, and that's kind of it. They
don't make a bunch of money at the gate, there's
no there's no TV revenue. They make money based upon
the sponsorships. Now, could Big Baller brand sponsor a team? Sure,
I don't know where that cash is coming from, And
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they could sponsor the team and they couldn't force then, hey,
look where you're sponsored. You're gonna play our guys. That
could very well happen, but it's not gonna win, it's
not gonna look good, it's not gonna help them improve.
Like if if LaVar Ball really knew what he was doing,
if he wasn't a complete clown in terms of his
understanding of foreign basketball European, South American, Asian or otherwise,
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what he would do is, hey, I'm gonna sell it.
Send LaMelo to play in Australia where he'll learn how
to do the things that they don't teach him how
to do here. I'm gonna I'm gonna send lie Angelo
to play somewhere in Spain or somewhere in France, even
if it's in second division, make five grand a month,
and just learn to be come a professional basket player.
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You do that, You do that, and you're showing me
you understand the market. You tell me you understand the
value of playing overseas. Otherwise you sound like a guy
who's like, oh, we're just gonna go to Europe. Like
it's not that easy. First, it's really hard on the kids,
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it's really really hard. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. All right, let's talk some NFL football,
shall we. The Chargers have gone from worst to first
in the same year, It's crazy, and are one of
the hottest teams in the NFL. It turned around. Remember
the game in New Jersey against the Giants, both teams
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O and four. That was the game that Odell Beckham Jr.
Got hurt, but O b J was limited because he
was being checked by Casey Hayward. Casey Hayward, the pro bowler,
joins me on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Casey,
thanks so much for taking time. I know it's a
tough week last week obviously, Uh, you know, um ending
in a great, great team win and putting guys in
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first place. But I want to go back to when
you're in Green Bay. Uh, take me through the transition.
You were in Green Bay. You were mostly a dime guy, right,
and I would say some teams didn't see you as
an a guy that could play on an island as
a corner. What was that like to go through being
you know, one of a group of ensemble cast guys
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in Green Bay to being the guy in l A. Well,
I think it was pretty easy when I was in
Green Bay my first year, I'll say a lot of outside.
I got most of my picks when I was outside.
A lot of people probably don't know that, but four
of my picks out of my six my rookie year
was when I played outside. And then I got hurt.
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My second year and I didn't play. I was on
our and third Yeah, I played pretty well, and then
we dropped a couple of guys that corn them um
Glass said, and um they may they those corners are,
you know, good players? So you know when you got
young guys kind of tending to forget about the other guys,
which is which is okay. I'm just I'm happy I'm
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in this situation. When I was coming, when I was
the free AIGs and I was telling people, I don't
want to just play the slide, I want a chance
to play outside. And this team is like, we're gonna
give you a chance to play outside. We've got two
other corners here, but I think you're gonna play outside
for us. What what's that like? When now, all of
a sudden you're getting the elite of elite, like it's
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it's what you've always wanted and you're getting those assignments. Uh,
what's the what are the emotions like of trying to
trying to show how good you are to the rest
of the rest of the league? Um Man, I felt
like I've been like that for a while since I've
been in Causa. Felt the same way. Um been elite.
I felt like I was elite then and not just
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been playing at the high level weekend and week out
for the past two years. I don't think it's too
many corners that's been playing as well as I have,
and especially this year, I feel like I've been playing
the best on in the best cornerback in the league.
They should and a lot and a lot of people
would tell you what would agree with you a pro bowler.
He's Casey Hayward of the l A Chargers joining us
on the Doug Gotlip Show here on on the Fox
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Sports Radio. You guys start out O four, but a
lot of it was little stuff, right, the same little
stuff as last year. Kicking game really really hurt you.
How are you guys able to maintain kind of focus
that there were wins to be had. This wasn't a
law season. You know, so many people are like, oh
and four another Charger season. Will they'll lose games they
should win. How are you guys able to keep it together?
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I always just knew we was right there. You know,
we lost a game by three, two and two again
some good teams, and we would like, you know, we
can if we can flip those games, you know, I
find a way to make one player two plays so
to win the game, because that's why they come down
to like two or three plays throughout the game where
teams win, especially close games, and you can just go
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back for the last maybe five six weeks, the game
we've been winning. We're trying out to make him close.
We're trying not to to come down to the end
of the game. So if you can, if you can
win the games about tim plus to go ahead and
do it and you can show your win and not
even have to worry about kicking games or anything like that.
I was told that the thing about Anthony Lynn that
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makes him so good as the first year head coaches,
he's the same guy every day. You know, he's he's
he's just consistent. He's sucking and he didn't get too
low when you guys are losing. He doesn't get too
high when you're winning. Is is that how the message
is received by you as a star player off Sure, Uh,
it's definitely that. Um. I think he's done a great job,
especially how we started. We started out so slow. But
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nobody he didn't. He didn't come in here ripping us
saying this. He came in mello guy like he is.
And that's we need to correct. We need to correct
your special team, to correct what's on defense, correct it's
on offer us and correct comedies. And each and every
week we've been getting better on each from special team,
offense and defense. And that's what it's about. I think
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we got a veteran team, mean young guys, a lot
of snout force as well. But when you got veteran
playing out of however, you've got a chance to week
wild dogs up front, right you when you got it, Like, look,
your job is made much easier when you got Melvin
Ingram and Joey Bosa like that. How how much does
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that change what you do based upon their ability to
make The quarterbacks have to know where they are, Oh,
no doubt, guys, The phenomena there all pro all you know,
UM Pro Bowl type players. I definitely think, oh guys
should be in there because that's the type of player
they've they've been during all the season. The impact both
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of those guys bringing to the defenses, it's crazy, you know,
and they've been doing that from a week wanted to
to now. You know, it definitely made my job a
little easier, you know, with those guys getting up so fast,
the ball got to come out and if we're covering, well,
the quarterback got to hold the ball. So we kind
of try to play with each other, you know, if
I make a play like thank you all and in
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the opposite way, everybody thinking each other. And that's what
it's about, trying to play, trying to be one, you know,
one defense, everybody playing on one accord. And that's what
we've been doing the last especially the last eight weeks.
You know, last year in San Diego, the home crowd
was struggling to support you because they knew you guys
were leaving. Uh. This year in Carson, Uh, it's been
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at best fifty fifty in terms of home fans and
visiting fans. Um, how does that affect you? How does
that for you especially, like, look when you're in Green Bay,
Like you're in Green Bay, everybody's a Packer fan right now.
The last two years totally different. But how does that
affect your play? I don't effect you gotta be a
pro about it no matter who's out there. If you're
playing home all the way and god going there and
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do ones up and that's to win. I would say
this though this past game, it was it was definitely
more about fans than that, than than normal. And that's
good because when you win and people want to come
to you play, and when you win in your fans
are so up everybody else, so you love around around
the cities and around you know, just everywhere. But when
you win and everybody want to see Casey, Hey, we're
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joining us in the Doug gotlip show from the l
A Chargers. Look, I know you don't want to talk
about last week was really tough week emotionally for you
and your family. Um, but but how much did it
mean to you the way in which your team and
your teammates supported you when you got and it wasn't
like forget about how tough it was a week it
was off the field. On the field. You gotta deal
with Josh Gordon, who you said that was your second
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toughest cover next to O b J all season. What
did it mean to you that so many of your
teammates and coaches had your back officer, you know, going
out there trying to focus on that on western hands,
I was scoring. He is a good player, so I
already moved. My hands are gonna be tired. You know,
they got the assignment when I got back Saturday. But
you fossowing you're following Josh, so uh, I know going
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to the game, it's gonna be a tough to us.
And um, I think we did. I think you know,
the defense, we we did a great job, you know,
managing that. I think he had four catches. He really
had thirteen targets too. On gotten the flex. I mean,
you know, two on came back our counties, but neither
one always completely either, So he got thirteen targets, but
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it went eleven on on paper for four for completions.
I think that's a good jobs. What's it for a
guy that they're gonna feed and try the feature? So
I think we did it for the good job. No
question about listening. We know you've got the Skins come in,
You've got a ton of work of Prepp and plus
all the you know, I'm sure there's a fatigue that
sets in for the emotion of last week that you're
still working through. We appreciate you spend some time with us,
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and we should the best of luck against us the
Skins and on throughout the season. Thanks much for being
our guest on Fox Sports Radio. No problem, man, Thank
you for having me. That's like Casey Hayward, pro bowler,
probably in All Pro this year with the l A Chargers.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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ogle for was, Uh, he's like he's like an Elton
brand Portman, like an Elton Brandman porm. He's a bigger
version of Elton brand And he's just at a position
that it's kind of been eliminated. Right. That's what julil
ogle for is the position that is elimited. And this
happens all the time in uh happens all the time
in business. It just is you know, or lead calumnists
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at a newspaper man who didn't used to pick up
the paper. And if you're a LA used to read T. J.
Simers or t J. Simmers. T J. Simers could just
be mean, like where he thought he was funny to
just be mean super opinionated calumnists. And every city in
the country had some talented opinionated calumnists. But people don't
read the newspaper anymore, please don't not, just they acquire
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their news. That what really happened was classified. Once you
could get your classifies online for free. Um, then it
changed everything, right, because that's what classifies, and the and
the ads. That was everything you made in terms of
selling papers. And you're you already had the money from
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the classifies. And then readership started dwindle, dwindle, dwindle, doindle, dwindle,
Like positions just get eliminated because they're not needed anymore,
you know. I mean, think of what's going to happen
with malls around the country. I mean, this was the
slowest Black Friday ever ever since they started doing Black
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Friday stuff started tracking at modern American history, this was
the slowest and business is generally pretty good. A right
Amazon did was it sixty four million dollars in in
revenue last year close to seventy million dollars. Bless you,
close to seventy million dollars this year. So people are
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still buying stuff, They're just not like why do I
go on? Why? Why would I just do it in
my house? Malls are nicer than ever, cleaner than ever.
And so what malls are doing is they're evolving into
lots and lots of restaurants if you noticed that right,
because candle and restaurant food online can't be waited on.
And autumna have live live music, some have comedy shops
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they have and then yes they have um either big
either not into the big box stores are going away,
and so would you have is either boutiqui stuff or
you know, chain stuff, which are like boutique stuff so
you can shop just to know what you're gonna buy online.
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But there are parts of malls retail stores are being
eliminated and the evolution of man if you will, with
the exception of New Jersey and you know in the
state of New Jersey that you have to have somebody
pump your gas. You can't ump your own gas. You
guys know that. And New Jersey pull up. They they
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pump your gas, like, whoa, what are you doing? Like,
no, no no, this is part of the deal here because
you know, like in l A there's a there's a
guy who if you go to the Shell station on
Senti Boulevard when you're going to l A X, he
will pump your gas for you, but then he will
have his hand out afterwards because he wants to tip
that he does not work for the Shell station. But
in New Jersey, any gas station you go to has attendance.
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There's it's all full service. Do you have to tip them?
You do not, you're not. And gas is generally cheaper there.
It's cheaper there as well, has that as well. Yeah, anyway,
most of those positions though, like full time gas attendant,
has been eliminated. That's what Joe lotical for is he's
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a powerful He's a he's a traditional power forward slash
center who doesn't defend the rim, can't guard, pick and roll,
and can't shoot the three like we're going to evolve
or die. We are Oliver die. I mean, look, I
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know guys that are radio hosts or TV hosts that
don't have the ability to offer up opinion, sports center
host ESPN what they're doing. You know, they fired undred
fifty people or something reported last week. Sad, a lot
of people got a couple of guys that have been
there forever. David Browski is a friend of mine. He uh,
he lost his job. There's some other executives that are
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really good people that won't be working there anymore. But
what was reported to happen hasn't happened yet, which is
they're just not gonna renew contracts for a bunch of
Sports Center guys because people don't watch Sports Center as
much and it's not you know, they want people want
opinions or games, opinions or games, and so they're gonna
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cut back on the number of Sports Center hosts. That's
all your local for is he was a player drafted
for a foregone era and look, there's some personality things
and lack of work ethic things, and he hasn't You
can make yourself into a three point Brook Lopez for
example with the l A Lakers. He made himself into
a three point shooter three point shooter before why because
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he knows evolve or die, evolve where you become like
the what are we gonna do with that? Guy, just
sit him over there. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. The Odell Beckham Jr. Instagram in
which he says he's chasing greatness and of course it
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shows the sideline tantrums of Tom Brady and the sideline
tantrums of Odell Beckham Jr. And I think most people
with a brain are like, Oh, he's trying to say
if this is all about perception, If I was Tom Brady,
nobody would be making a big deal but me yelling
at my coach or you me owing at my teammates
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as opposed to win. Im Odell Beckham Jr. If that's
really the way he thinks. He didn't put together video,
but if that's really the way he thinks. And we
can only think that's the way he thinks because it
was on his own Instagram page, and I'm sure one
of his boys put it together for him. But there's
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a reason that you cannot find any footage of Tom
Brady getting into a fight because of trash talk on
a football field. There's a reason that you have no
proposal to a kicking net. There's a reason that you
don't have antics after scoring a touchdown, like raising your
leg to pee on a on a pylon. There's also
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a reason that Tom Brady has never never once uttered
the words I want to be the highest paid player
or never never had it out that he wanted to
play the highest paid player regardless of position in National
Football League. Forget about the fact that Odell Beckham Jr's
teams have yet to win a playoff game, and he
is going to have his second coach fired during his tenure.
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Right like second coach fired, the position is not as important.
I'm not going to dispute that he's not personally responsible
for the coach and him getting hurt is probably one
of the main things that led to his coach getting fired,
and that's not his fault. But do you really want
to play this game? Tom Brady has always been about
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winning and the team. I don't think he's the best
quarterback ever seen Aaron Rodgers is, but he's the most accomplished.
He took less money to remain a Patriot. He's kept
he's taking care of his body, he's playing incredible football,
and yeah, in football, occasionally you're gonna snap at an
assistant coach. Do either have the equity, which Brady does,
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or you don't have the equity which Odell Beckham Jr. Doesn't.
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your first Sea Geek purchase. Uh, Peter. You know, the
New York thing has me kind of befuddled, Like I
don't really understand it. They're they're to intend, They're going nowhere.
They don't have Odell Beckham Jr. Shepherds not fully back yet,
you know, so, they don't really having a good wide
receiving cores, offensive line is not good. Aren't they better
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off losing? And doesn't doesn't Eli Manny potentially allow them
to be competitive and maybe win a game? Well, I'm
not a big fan of Aren't they better off? Losing, well,
you know, of course they are, then they'll have their
choice of quarterback or whatever. But I think the way
I look at this, Doug, is you know, John Marrow
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walked into his then general managers office about three weeks
ago and said, Hey, shouldn't we be looking at the
other quarterbacks? I mean, you know, let's be real here,
and re said yes, I think it's a good idea,
and so they hatched a plan. Maybe it was hair brained,
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it was slightly hair brained. At least they hatched a
plan to look at the young Geno Smith for at
least a week, and then Davis Webb for maybe three
weeks who knows how long, And now all of a
sudden they change coaches. And because the Pitchfork crowd was
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going to make things very ugly in three of the
last four home games, uh, I guess the Giants now say, well,
elis our quarterback. I think it's a bad idea. I'll
just say this, Doug. I'm not It's not like I'm
keeping score at home necessary really, but I probably was
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with one of one or maybe two or three in
both the local because I live in New York, and
but local and national media who said this is a
good idea. There's no sense when you're two and nine
to keep throwing Eli Manning out there and not find
out a damn thing about Davis Webb before you're going
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to have the second or third or fourth pick in
the draft. That it's chock full of quarterbacks. It's stupid,
good Giants. Maybe he didn't do this exactly the right way,
but it's a smart thing. And now all of a
sudden you're saying, never mind. I mean, chart with me
up as somebody who says I do not understand I
must be educated on that. Yeah, me, neither. Um. There's
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a couple of things here. I mean, there is an
elephant in the room that I don't think anybody's discussing discussing,
and Peter, you're the perfect guy because of your knowledge
of the league and because you live in New York,
you know this. If it wasn't for Geno Smith, I
actually Geno Smith was the was the reason for the revolt.
People like, look, if he goes to David's web, that
makes sense, but Gino Smith. Everybody hates Geno Smith, and
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we've seen Gino Smith at least the reason there was
a reason for that Doug more than anything else, Okay,
and the biggest reason for it. Not only has Geno
Smith been your backup quarterback the whole year, And it
would be a bit of a slap in the face
to to just say, hey, by the way, I know
you've been number two the whole year, but you're not playing.
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We're going directly to number three. But but but again,
I can take the insult to Gino Smith. But the
other part of this is, for twelve weeks, the number
three quarterback had walked into the office every walk into
the coach's office every week, and they had given him
the game plan for the scout team quarterback. That's what
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they had and all he had done the entire year.
He had never taken a snap as the quarterback of
the New York Giants running their plays. He had taken
snaps as Russell Wilson running the Seattle Seahawks plays or
is who what whoever they're playing in that particular week.
So that's why the Giants said, well, let's give him
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some time to practice our plays rather than throwing him
out there, you know, like naked, which was which I
thought was a logical, smart explanation. All Right, give him
one week to absolute max, you know, before before you
you know, you put him in. So I was thinking
to myself, Okay, this guy is gonna play three games,
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maybe four, that's that's a good idea. And give him
a real chance when he's gonna play. But anyway, now
that seems to have been forgotten. All right, So they
got to hire GM first, right, or is the GM
and combination with because the GM then has to have
somebody who he GM, right, Okay, So who's the Dave Gettleman.
Now that's that's a name that's been thrown around. I
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know Dave Gettleman only because Ernie of Corsie. He's a
he's a former disciple of Ernie of Corsi. I would
say a Coursie really really loved Dave Gettleman, and he
thinks he's a very bright, no nonsense, meeting potatoes football guy.
My only problem with Dave Gettleman. It's gonna be sixty
seven next year. The New York Giants have been uh
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two general managers what the Pittsburgh Steelers have been to coaches.
The Steelers have had three head coaches since nineteen sixty nine.
The Giants have had three general managers since nineteen seventy nine,
and so every one of them has worked at least
ten years in the job. And mean, my opinions is
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my opinion, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, uh,
to hire a guy who's going to be sixty seven
years old, unless you're kind of breaking the mold and said,
you know, we'd like to have Dave Gettleman for four
or five years, maybe h three or four years at
Lead East and let's get this franchise back on track.
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Let's get our quarterback in the future, and then we'll
worry about the future in the future. If that If
that's it, so be it. But it's hard to envision
Dave Gentleman being the general manager of this team for
ten years. Okay, Cleveland Browns today, Sashy Brown is out
and Hugh Jackson's gonna remain as head coach for next season.
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What was your reaction to, maybe, I mean, I can
how can you count on anything with Jimmy Haslin changes
coaches like we change underwear and changes personnel, guys. I mean,
it's uh, you know, look, well, everybody everybody knows this.
They've watched this the last few years with the Browns.
But I think what it came down to is this
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this coach and you know has basically didn't have control
over the draft. Sashy Brown had control over the draft,
and Sashi Brown in the last couple of drafts uh
Bay sickly has passed on Carson Wentz to Shaun Watson, UH,
Mitchell Trubisky, uh and and however whoever else you want
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to put in that thing. You didn't pass on Jared
Goff because they didn't have the number one pick that year.
But this general manager has been this Sashi Brown has
been very very good at stocking the cabinet with draft choices.
He has not been very very good at picking the
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guy who's the most important position on the field, the
most important position in all of sports, and that's the quarterbacks.
So at some point, if you're Jimmy has lem and
you're looking at all the quarterbacks that this guy has
passed on, uh, even though you've got five picks in
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the first two rounds, that's a great thing in Keith.
But if you're Jimmy Haslum, part of you is saying,
do I have any faith that after saying as an organization,
which you know, Paul d. Podesta looked and and and
this group looked at Carson Wentz a year and a
half ago and said, we don't think he's going to
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be a top twenty quarterback in the NFL. I mean,
that's a damning statement coming from this group. So I
think that Jimmy haslum hated to do it because he
realizes that they've changed uh, they've changed courses far too often.
But I think he basically says, I don't have faith
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in this guy to pick my quarterback in the future. Yeah, um,
Ryan shays here. Today we learned he had surgery. It's
um a spine stabilization surgery. There have been multiple ports
out there that this means he won't play their Man
of the Year and there's a possibility he won't play
football ever again. We we just don't know enough about it.
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But we're not hearing he's walking again. We're not hearing
he's gonna be okay. It's that spinal concussion that people
thought it might hopefully be there, the Tommy Maddox injury,
if you will, there's an interesting juxtaposition there, Peter in
the Mike Mitchell rant, to which she's like, look, I
just want to play football. I know that I I know,
I know all the different things that can happen to you,
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But I signed up to play this man's game. YadA, YadA, YadA.
And the support for Juju Smith Schuster on what was
at first teemed a legal hit on on Vont's perfect
who has been a guy who he's had dirty hits
in his past, like the idea that players aren't smartan
enough to know that you're just trying to protect you
from you and it and and to see one of
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your own like they're most weird thing, the weird thing
about this jug And I totally totally agree with you.
I think you Schuster ought to be suspended for about
three years just for being the most tone deaf player
in NFL history. You know, first standing over a guy
who might be knocked out and who knows how injured
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he might be, when one of his own teammates is
lying in a hospital and you truly don't know if
he's ever going to walk again. I mean, it's just
it was ridiculous what Smith Schuster did, in my opinion anyway,
But I do think this this is so we're in
the slipperyous of the most slippery however, you'd say it
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of all slopes in this for this reason. Okay, because
Ryan Shazier his hit was absolutely totally legally what the
form tackling was not correct, But that is a matter
for a day weeks down the road, not not right now.
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But but but that was that was not a dirty play.
That was just a terrible accident. That's what that was. No, No,
I understand understand. He had his head down and that's
why he got hurt. The point, though, is that you
start you realize the dangers of the sport you play,
and and you're hitting a guy who's not looking, and
he's laying there and he's potentially concussed, he is knocked out,
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and you're, you know, wolfing over the top like just
the idea, Like, look, dude, don't you understand, like there
is so much more at stake than simply simply you
know what, I honestly think, you know what I think
as much. And Mike mitchell I can't read his mind,
so I don't know exactly the play he's referring to.
I think he's referring to a play like the George
Iloca play. Yes, because George Iloca was not trying to
(41:31):
hit Antonio Brown helmet to helmet. Now he's trying to
break up, trying to bring up past. Yeah, yeah, but
but but having said that, having said that, the NFL
has basically drawn this line in the sand and said
to the players. They've said, in essence, you have to
be responsible. Just like in in the p D suspensions.
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You're responsible for work goes in your party. We don't
want to in your body. We don't want to hear
any excuses after you get caught and found that that
you're dirty. Just like in the same way, if you
hit somebody in the helmet with your helmet and he's
a defenseless player, your subject to discipline, whether you meant
to do it or not. It's like a picture hitting
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somebody in the head. You know, sometimes you don't mean
to do it, but you still might get suspended or
or or or fine for it. And so my point
is I think Mike Mitchell was saying, we can't control
some of these things. Please stop suspending us for things
that you know are truly accidents. And again I would
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be shocked if he meant uh the juju Smith Schuster
for standing over a guy wolfing at him when he
when he might be knocked unconscious. I spoke with somebody
who's uh, one of the foremost experts in executive compensation
before the show, Peter, and he said, I don't get it,
(42:57):
like I don't. I don't know where the scale is
that Roger Goodell is worth forty million dollars a year.
Granted a lot of it is, And I think you
first have to correct that duck because I don't think
he's ever gonna make forty million dollars a year in
this deal. Read what Albert Brier wrote this morning at
the MMQB and his game Plan column, and it's very
clear that probably the average salary that Goodell will make
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will be somewhere between twenty seven and thirty million dollars
a year. This is an incentive based contract. If Roger
Goodell is the greatest commissioner in the history of man
and everything all the metrics rise, he could make close
to forty million dollars. But that's not going to happen
in today's day and age ratings are going to be
(43:39):
mediocre compared to what they were, and there's gonna be
no shows, and there's gonna be this, and there's gonna
be anthem problems and all this. So again I don't
mean to interrupt you, but I know you think that
it needs the narrative that Goodell is making forty million
a year needs to be corrected. It and again, it's
kind of so it's so it's kind of like it's
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kind of like a of these deals that we see
with NFL players signing where it's a hundred and fifty million,
but only forty million is actually guaranteed. Yeah. But but
again again, I'm not trying to say that it isn't
absurd anyway for a commissioner to make thirty or thirty
two or in a great year thirty six. I I'm
not trying to say that that isn't ridiculous, because I
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do think it's ridiculous. I personally, I just in my opinion,
no matter how good a job Roger Goodell does, I
just think what has gotten way out of whack in
my opinion, because I think the Lee I a cocus
of the world, and all those people who are the
tops of these great companies. You know, just because their
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companies are making a fabulous amount of money, it doesn't
mean they meet they need to make two hundred million
a year or whatever the exorbitant grotesque sum of money is,
you know, make your car fifteen dollars a car less
or whatever. That's just the way I feel about no
executive conversation has has has gotten completely out of control. Um.
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By the way, other writers from the m MQB want
to call about your executive cop I'm kidding, I'm kidding
for uh, Peter. Here's my big question though this was
there was some ugliness though between Jerry Jones and the
other owners, between Jerry Jones UM and Roger Goodell. And
Goodell can can act like, Hey, everything's cool now I
got paid, I got my axtension. Was it ugly enough
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to where there will still be bad bitter feelings between
owners and owners and owners and Goodell? There will be
some bitter feelings I think between owners and Ferry Jones. Yes,
they have a meeting next Wednesday and Thursday in Dallas.
Annual meeting, uh either they have every December, and I
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expect that if you're just asking me, I think Jerry
Jones will at that meeting begin the process of trying
to be the pragmatists that he is and in not
taking this any further because he lost. He lost. It's
over and Jerry. I do know this about Jerry. He's
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a pragmatic human being, and I just think at this
point he's probably going to say, well, at the end
of this story, let's move on to the next one.
There won't. There will be some owners, tradition based owners, uh,
family ownership owners who I think are going to Uh
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it's going to take a while for them to trust
Jerry Jones. He threatened to sue him as an organization.
Uh so. But but I do think eventually, because every
everything always comes back to center in the NFL and
in big business, that that they'll that they'll get they'll
get back together. Go to see gig dot com and
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we continue to plow through an NFL season leading us
up to the super Bowl and Minneapolis. We will be
on site at the super Bowl. That'll be a ton
of fun. Um woof Oh, this is uh really tough news.
You heard from Dan Buyer and reading some more reports
about it. When I saw it come out, I thought,
(00:44):
that's not good and um like, some of this is
you have to read tea leaves and some of it
is you just gotta wait for the information to come out.
But about a half hour ago, the University of Pittsburgh
Medical Center, remember yesterday Ryan Chasier was moved from Cincinnati
(01:06):
to Pittsburgh. Last night, UMPC Neurosurgeons in Pittsburgh Steelers team
physician Dr David uh Okona woh going for it and
Joseph Maroon performed spinal stabilization surgery on Ryan Shasier to
address his spinal injury. And so the second I saw that,
(01:29):
I was like, that doesn't sound good, because the first
reports were maybe to just a spinal concussion. He misses
a game, he'll be back, no surgery required. But then
though he was transferred to the hospitals, he didn't walk
out under his own power. He wasn't pushed out in
a in a wheelchair. There was no video, meaning he
was probably stabilized, you know, and on a flat board
(01:54):
and on a gurney and moved from and flown from
Cincinnati to Pittsburgh. And then when you go from no
surgery to spinal st stabilization, which can be invasive or
minimally invasive, but all of it in some way fuses
either the spine, uh, you know, vertebrates to themselves or
(02:15):
vertebrates to one another. It just does not That doesn't
sound good. Then you get this report from ESPNS. Michelle Steele.
She got off the phone with Dr Anthony Lessie, who
consults with the NFL p A. He asked him about
Shaisier spinal stabilization surgery. Quote, it's not good. We're not
going to see him this season. He may not play
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football again. He went on to say that this surgery
is needed win bones around the spinal cord or dislocated.
This is more severe injury than a contusion. Uh, it's
a more severe inury injury on our hands than we thought.
And so now you get to the point where you
just hope Ryan Cheesier can walk again, let alone, you know,
(02:58):
forget about playing football. And then the cold callous football
fan in you says, Okay, now, I now I think
the Steelers aren't gonna win the Super Bowl, right. I mean,
that's that's how big this injury is, how important he
is to the defense this time in the season, he's irreplaceable.
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Plus he's that good, that dynamical football player. That's what happened.
So if you're asking yourself, like, why would one people care?
Because Chase here is a great player and by all
accounts a really good dude. And secondly, in the football
sends in the trying to stick to just sports boy,
that really hurts any any hope you thought of the
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Steelers who have the talent and and probably in terms
of individual positions like Antonio Brown better than any but
any wide receiver. The Patriots have correct Levian Bell better
than anybody. The Patriots have running back Ryan Chase here
better at running back um T J. Wat and when
they got some monsters up front as well. But we've
(04:06):
seen what's happened when Sean Lee is out for the Cowboys.
We've seen what's happened when Denzel Pyraman is out for
the Chargers. You lose your play collar defensively and your
best linebacker, and there is a house of cards the defense.
We hope she is back. We hope he's fine, that
this is just for precaution, and that he magically heals.
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That's not good news on all fronts for the Steelers.
Let's stay in division, shall we. The Cleveland Browns today
made a peculiar announcement. I find it peculiar because on
one hand, they announced the retention of their head coach,
Hugh Jackson. On the other hand, they announced the firing
of Sashi Brown. Here's who Hugh Jackson earlier today after
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Sashi Brown was fired. I'm just big part of it.
Sash is right now, we're a one in twenty you know,
one in twenty seven eight football team. I take my
responsibilion that too. I had to work through and get
better as well. But at the same time, you know,
I don't think it all should go towards him. I
think we all got to do our part. And this
is a performance based business. And like I said, I
(05:17):
get it. My performance, if you measure it by wins
and losses, is not very good. But at the same time,
you know, I'm I'm in charge with coaching his team
and trying to do the best I can with what
I have, so he gets the We had Brett Brown
on earlier today, earlier this week. He's basically it was yesterday,
right if you want to download, and I I thought
(05:38):
it was. Um. I mean, I find Brett Brown to
be fascinating right one because he has such a thick
Boston accent, right, I mean it just sounds straight out
of that the set of that departed. But secondly, because
I find him fact, I find it fast because I look,
(05:58):
he had to he had to sit over there on
the sidelines and do his best to coach a team
that talent wise had no chance of competing. And that
and while we want to get onto Sasgi Brown because
they missed on quarterbacks the past couple of years. They
traded out of the Carson Wentz pick, they could have
had Deshaun Watson. It's also fair to say that Carson
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Wentz might not be Carson Wentz had he been drafted
by the Browns. That Deshaun Watson before he was injured
might not have been Deshaun Watson had he played with
the Browns. Like when you don't have a good enough
offensive line and you don't have Josh Brown until last week,
you don't have good enough running backs, Like, yeah, but
(06:41):
what what what happens in football is what happens in life.
You generally go the opposite way. You generally go the
opposite way if you if you had we mentioned this with, um,
what's the guy's name, Chad who's hired is Arkansas's head
coach yesterday? Chad Morris. Right, if you're gonna follow Brett Bielima,
(07:05):
who would love to put ten offensive lineman on the
field and one halfback as a quarterback, or just a
nine offensive lineman, you know, make offensive lineman eligible wide
receivers and just overload and mash you every time, you're
gonna follow him with Chad Morris, who's gonna spread out,
run some motion, you know, run horizontal, run vertical, throw
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the ball all around the football field. You go with
the opposite. Sashy Brown was a lawyer. Saucy Brown was
lead counsel for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Sashi Brown does not
have a background in football, right, I mean it was
a bizarre hire to begin with. Sascy Brown was the
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executive vice president of the Cleveland Browns and he was
the de facto general manager. He was a vor guy.
And look, they have Paul de Podesto, who's a baseball
guy and analytics guy, and they fired the guy and
they had to one of the two had to go
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because of the A J. Mccaren debacle. Right, the Browns
keep losing. They have all of these draft picks. I mean,
they're set up for ten years with draft picks. Their
salary cap situation is a good one. Like, they got
some really good things going for them, and their offensive
personnel is not bad. It's just young and Greg Williams
done a nice job with them defensively, they're competitive. So
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what are the Cleveland Browns gonna do. They're gonna do
what everybody does. They're gonna hire the absolute opposite. They
hired a guy with no football background. Now they're gonna
hire a guy that grunts, scratches himself, lives, eats, sleeps,
breathe football. Whoever they bring in is going to be
a football guy. You're gonna ask him what's for lunch,
He's gonna say football. Hey, what did you do the
(09:00):
other night? Football? What are you thinking about? Going out
of town to football? The Browns are fascinating because they
are They are in the there in a similar position
to one in which the seventies sixers have been in,
to one in which the Astros were in, to one
that so many NBA and Major League Baseball teams are
(09:21):
striving to get. The Giants would love to be in
the Browns situation. Nobody wants to be the laughing stock
of the NFL. But it's easy to be the laughing
stock of the NFL when you have a ton of
cap space. He got a ton of draft picks, and
he got some nice young pieces. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
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three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. While LaVar Ball thinks he
knows what he knows about the things he knows about,
he is getting into a world to which he has
so little clue it's kind of laughable and the sad
at the same time. The idea that le Angelo Ball,
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who would have struggled to get on the floor as
a freshman at U C l A, Is going to
play a high level of European basketball at nineteen twenty
years old, that that's completely uninformed. And then don't get
me started on LaMelo Ball, who's sixteen years old and
does have potential, but plays in a way to which
(10:28):
no one plays or would allow that style to be
played overseas, and he wants them both to play together.
Like Glamelo Ball is a is a junior program sort
of guy, like all these any of the big European teams,
especially the ones in Spain. I'm in Russia. Um, Like
if if a Maccabi tel Aviv, that's the best team
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in Israel. If they signed him to a contract, and
they very well could, it would one be multi years,
and two they would reserve the right to assign him
to a SEC and Division team because he can't play.
They don't look the NBA will draft somebody on potential.
They have their G League. They own your rights. The
problem with that in Europe or in Asia is even
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if they think eventually you could develop into being a
really good player. But when you develop, you're gonna want
to leave and go to the NBA. We're not here
to develop you. We're the opposite of college basketball. College
basketball's sole purpose is to develop you as a player
and as a human being. That's it. Um one. They're
not good enough to play high level stuff individually. Too.
(11:34):
You put them both together and it's an even worse
scenario because now you have to have two guys that
are young, two guys that aren't good enough, and you
run the risk of the dad getting mad because they're
not playing. Because you can't win with younger players. And
to anyone who says, well, they'd be in a they'd
be a draw, like not, that's not really how you
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make money with foreign teams. Foreign teams to make money
based upon their sponsorships, and that's kind of it. They
don't make a bunch of money at the gate, there's
no there's no TV revenue. They make money based upon
the sponsorships. Now, could Big Baller brand sponsor a team? Sure,
I don't know where that cash is coming from, And
(12:16):
they could sponsor the team and they couldn't force then, hey,
look where you're sponsored. You're gonna play our guys. That
could very well happen, but it's not gonna win, it's
not gonna look good, it's not gonna help them improve.
Like if if LaVar Ball really knew what he was doing,
if he wasn't a complete clown in terms of his
understanding of foreign basketball European, South American, Asian or otherwise,
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what he would do is, hey, I'm gonna sell it.
Send LaMelo to play in Australia where he'll learn how
to do the things that they don't teach him how
to do here. I'm gonna I'm gonna send lie Angelo
to play somewhere in Spain or somewhere in France, even
if it's in second division, make five grand a month,
and just learn to be come a professional basket player.
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You do that, You do that, and you're showing me
you understand the market. You tell me you understand the
value of playing overseas. Otherwise you sound like a guy
who's like, oh, we're just gonna go to Europe. Like
it's not that easy. First, it's really hard on the kids,
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it's really really hard. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. All right, let's talk some NFL football,
shall we. The Chargers have gone from worst to first
in the same year, It's crazy, and are one of
the hottest teams in the NFL. It turned around. Remember
the game in New Jersey against the Giants, both teams
(13:45):
O and four. That was the game that Odell Beckham Jr.
Got hurt, but O b J was limited because he
was being checked by Casey Hayward. Casey Hayward, the pro bowler,
joins me on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Casey,
thanks so much for taking time. I know it's a
tough week last week obviously, Uh, you know, um ending
in a great, great team win and putting guys in
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first place. But I want to go back to when
you're in Green Bay. Uh, take me through the transition.
You were in Green Bay. You were mostly a dime guy, right,
and I would say some teams didn't see you as
an a guy that could play on an island as
a corner. What was that like to go through being
you know, one of a group of ensemble cast guys
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in Green Bay to being the guy in l A. Well,
I think it was pretty easy when I was in
Green Bay my first year, I'll say a lot of outside.
I got most of my picks when I was outside.
A lot of people probably don't know that, but four
of my picks out of my six my rookie year
was when I played outside. And then I got hurt.
(14:47):
My second year and I didn't play. I was on
our and third Yeah, I played pretty well, and then
we dropped a couple of guys that corn them um
Glass said, and um they may they those corners are,
you know, good players? So you know when you got
young guys kind of tending to forget about the other guys,
which is which is okay. I'm just I'm happy I'm
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in this situation. When I was coming, when I was
the free AIGs and I was telling people, I don't
want to just play the slide, I want a chance
to play outside. And this team is like, we're gonna
give you a chance to play outside. We've got two
other corners here, but I think you're gonna play outside
for us. What what's that like? When now, all of
a sudden you're getting the elite of elite, like it's
(15:29):
it's what you've always wanted and you're getting those assignments. Uh,
what's the what are the emotions like of trying to
trying to show how good you are to the rest
of the rest of the league? Um Man, I felt
like I've been like that for a while since I've
been in Causa. Felt the same way. Um been elite.
I felt like I was elite then and not just
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been playing at the high level weekend and week out
for the past two years. I don't think it's too
many corners that's been playing as well as I have,
and especially this year, I feel like I've been playing
the best on in the best cornerback in the league.
They should and a lot and a lot of people
would tell you what would agree with you a pro bowler.
He's Casey Hayward of the l A Chargers joining us
on the Doug Gotlip Show here on on the Fox
(16:11):
Sports Radio. You guys start out O four, but a
lot of it was little stuff, right, the same little
stuff as last year. Kicking game really really hurt you.
How are you guys able to maintain kind of focus
that there were wins to be had. This wasn't a
law season. You know, so many people are like, oh
and four another Charger season. Will they'll lose games they
should win. How are you guys able to keep it together?
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I always just knew we was right there. You know,
we lost a game by three, two and two again
some good teams, and we would like, you know, we
can if we can flip those games, you know, I
find a way to make one player two plays so
to win the game, because that's why they come down
to like two or three plays throughout the game where
teams win, especially close games, and you can just go
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back for the last maybe five six weeks, the game
we've been winning. We're trying out to make him close.
We're trying not to to come down to the end
of the game. So if you can, if you can
win the games about tim plus to go ahead and
do it and you can show your win and not
even have to worry about kicking games or anything like that.
I was told that the thing about Anthony Lynn that
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makes him so good as the first year head coaches,
he's the same guy every day. You know, he's he's
he's just consistent. He's sucking and he didn't get too
low when you guys are losing. He doesn't get too
high when you're winning. Is is that how the message
is received by you as a star player off Sure, Uh,
it's definitely that. Um. I think he's done a great job,
especially how we started. We started out so slow. But
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nobody he didn't. He didn't come in here ripping us
saying this. He came in mello guy like he is.
And that's we need to correct. We need to correct
your special team, to correct what's on defense, correct it's
on offer us and correct comedies. And each and every
week we've been getting better on each from special team,
offense and defense. And that's what it's about. I think
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we got a veteran team, mean young guys, a lot
of snout force as well. But when you got veteran
playing out of however, you've got a chance to week
wild dogs up front, right you when you got it, Like, look,
your job is made much easier when you got Melvin
Ingram and Joey Bosa like that. How how much does
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that change what you do based upon their ability to
make The quarterbacks have to know where they are, Oh,
no doubt, guys, The phenomena there all pro all you know,
UM Pro Bowl type players. I definitely think, oh guys
should be in there because that's the type of player
they've they've been during all the season. The impact both
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of those guys bringing to the defenses, it's crazy, you know,
and they've been doing that from a week wanted to
to now. You know, it definitely made my job a
little easier, you know, with those guys getting up so fast,
the ball got to come out and if we're covering, well,
the quarterback got to hold the ball. So we kind
of try to play with each other, you know, if
I make a play like thank you all and in
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the opposite way, everybody thinking each other. And that's what
it's about, trying to play, trying to be one, you know,
one defense, everybody playing on one accord. And that's what
we've been doing the last especially the last eight weeks.
You know, last year in San Diego, the home crowd
was struggling to support you because they knew you guys
were leaving. Uh. This year in Carson, Uh, it's been
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at best fifty fifty in terms of home fans and
visiting fans. Um, how does that affect you? How does
that for you especially, like, look when you're in Green Bay,
Like you're in Green Bay, everybody's a Packer fan right now.
The last two years totally different. But how does that
affect your play? I don't effect you gotta be a
pro about it no matter who's out there. If you're
playing home all the way and god going there and
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do ones up and that's to win. I would say
this though this past game, it was it was definitely
more about fans than that, than than normal. And that's
good because when you win and people want to come
to you play, and when you win in your fans
are so up everybody else, so you love around around
the cities and around you know, just everywhere. But when
you win and everybody want to see Casey, Hey, we're
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joining us in the Doug gotlip show from the l
A Chargers. Look, I know you don't want to talk
about last week was really tough week emotionally for you
and your family. Um, but but how much did it
mean to you the way in which your team and
your teammates supported you when you got and it wasn't
like forget about how tough it was a week it
was off the field. On the field. You gotta deal
with Josh Gordon, who you said that was your second
(20:32):
toughest cover next to O b J all season. What
did it mean to you that so many of your
teammates and coaches had your back officer, you know, going
out there trying to focus on that on western hands,
I was scoring. He is a good player, so I
already moved. My hands are gonna be tired. You know,
they got the assignment when I got back Saturday. But
you fossowing you're following Josh, so uh, I know going
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to the game, it's gonna be a tough to us.
And um, I think we did. I think you know,
the defense, we we did a great job, you know,
managing that. I think he had four catches. He really
had thirteen targets too. On gotten the flex. I mean,
you know, two on came back our counties, but neither
one always completely either, So he got thirteen targets, but
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it went eleven on on paper for four for completions.
I think that's a good jobs. What's it for a
guy that they're gonna feed and try the feature? So
I think we did it for the good job. No
question about listening. We know you've got the Skins come in,
You've got a ton of work of Prepp and plus
all the you know, I'm sure there's a fatigue that
sets in for the emotion of last week that you're
still working through. We appreciate you spend some time with us,
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and we should the best of luck against us the
Skins and on throughout the season. Thanks much for being
our guest on Fox Sports Radio. No problem, man, Thank
you for having me. That's like Casey Hayward, pro bowler,
probably in All Pro this year with the l A Chargers.
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(22:00):
ogle for was, Uh, he's like he's like an Elton
brand Portman, like an Elton Brandman porm. He's a bigger
version of Elton brand And he's just at a position
that it's kind of been eliminated. Right. That's what julil
ogle for is the position that is elimited. And this
happens all the time in uh happens all the time
in business. It just is you know, or lead calumnists
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at a newspaper man who didn't used to pick up
the paper. And if you're a LA used to read T. J.
Simers or t J. Simmers. T J. Simers could just
be mean, like where he thought he was funny to
just be mean super opinionated calumnists. And every city in
the country had some talented opinionated calumnists. But people don't
read the newspaper anymore, please don't not, just they acquire
(22:50):
their news. That what really happened was classified. Once you
could get your classifies online for free. Um, then it
changed everything, right, because that's what classifies, and the and
the ads. That was everything you made in terms of
selling papers. And you're you already had the money from
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the classifies. And then readership started dwindle, dwindle, dwindle, doindle, dwindle,
Like positions just get eliminated because they're not needed anymore,
you know. I mean, think of what's going to happen
with malls around the country. I mean, this was the
slowest Black Friday ever ever since they started doing Black
(23:38):
Friday stuff started tracking at modern American history, this was
the slowest and business is generally pretty good. A right
Amazon did was it sixty four million dollars in in
revenue last year close to seventy million dollars. Bless you,
close to seventy million dollars this year. So people are
(24:00):
still buying stuff, They're just not like why do I
go on? Why? Why would I just do it in
my house? Malls are nicer than ever, cleaner than ever.
And so what malls are doing is they're evolving into
lots and lots of restaurants if you noticed that right,
because candle and restaurant food online can't be waited on.
And autumna have live live music, some have comedy shops
(24:23):
they have and then yes they have um either big
either not into the big box stores are going away,
and so would you have is either boutiqui stuff or
you know, chain stuff, which are like boutique stuff so
you can shop just to know what you're gonna buy online.
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But there are parts of malls retail stores are being
eliminated and the evolution of man if you will, with
the exception of New Jersey and you know in the
state of New Jersey that you have to have somebody
pump your gas. You can't ump your own gas. You
guys know that. And New Jersey pull up. They they
(25:03):
pump your gas, like, whoa, what are you doing? Like,
no, no no, this is part of the deal here because
you know, like in l A there's a there's a
guy who if you go to the Shell station on
Senti Boulevard when you're going to l A X, he
will pump your gas for you, but then he will
have his hand out afterwards because he wants to tip
that he does not work for the Shell station. But
in New Jersey, any gas station you go to has attendance.
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There's it's all full service. Do you have to tip them?
You do not, you're not. And gas is generally cheaper there.
It's cheaper there as well, has that as well. Yeah, anyway,
most of those positions though, like full time gas attendant,
has been eliminated. That's what Joe lotical for is he's
(25:50):
a powerful He's a he's a traditional power forward slash
center who doesn't defend the rim, can't guard, pick and roll,
and can't shoot the three like we're going to evolve
or die. We are Oliver die. I mean, look, I
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know guys that are radio hosts or TV hosts that
don't have the ability to offer up opinion, sports center
host ESPN what they're doing. You know, they fired undred
fifty people or something reported last week. Sad, a lot
of people got a couple of guys that have been
there forever. David Browski is a friend of mine. He uh,
he lost his job. There's some other executives that are
(26:33):
really good people that won't be working there anymore. But
what was reported to happen hasn't happened yet, which is
they're just not gonna renew contracts for a bunch of
Sports Center guys because people don't watch Sports Center as
much and it's not you know, they want people want
opinions or games, opinions or games, and so they're gonna
(26:55):
cut back on the number of Sports Center hosts. That's
all your local for is he was a player drafted
for a foregone era and look, there's some personality things
and lack of work ethic things, and he hasn't You
can make yourself into a three point Brook Lopez for
example with the l A Lakers. He made himself into
a three point shooter three point shooter before why because
(27:19):
he knows evolve or die, evolve where you become like
the what are we gonna do with that? Guy, just
sit him over there. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. The Odell Beckham Jr. Instagram in
which he says he's chasing greatness and of course it
(27:42):
shows the sideline tantrums of Tom Brady and the sideline
tantrums of Odell Beckham Jr. And I think most people
with a brain are like, Oh, he's trying to say
if this is all about perception, If I was Tom Brady,
nobody would be making a big deal but me yelling
at my coach or you me owing at my teammates
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as opposed to win. Im Odell Beckham Jr. If that's
really the way he thinks. He didn't put together video,
but if that's really the way he thinks. And we
can only think that's the way he thinks because it
was on his own Instagram page, and I'm sure one
of his boys put it together for him. But there's
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a reason that you cannot find any footage of Tom
Brady getting into a fight because of trash talk on
a football field. There's a reason that you have no
proposal to a kicking net. There's a reason that you
don't have antics after scoring a touchdown, like raising your
leg to pee on a on a pylon. There's also
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a reason that Tom Brady has never never once uttered
the words I want to be the highest paid player
or never never had it out that he wanted to
play the highest paid player regardless of position in National
Football League. Forget about the fact that Odell Beckham Jr's
teams have yet to win a playoff game, and he
is going to have his second coach fired during his tenure.
(29:10):
Right like second coach fired, the position is not as important.
I'm not going to dispute that he's not personally responsible
for the coach and him getting hurt is probably one
of the main things that led to his coach getting fired,
and that's not his fault. But do you really want
to play this game? Tom Brady has always been about
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winning and the team. I don't think he's the best
quarterback ever seen Aaron Rodgers is, but he's the most accomplished.
He took less money to remain a Patriot. He's kept
he's taking care of his body, he's playing incredible football,
and yeah, in football, occasionally you're gonna snap at an
assistant coach. Do either have the equity, which Brady does,
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or you don't have the equity which Odell Beckham Jr. Doesn't.
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(30:14):
season and the promo code can get twenty dollars off
your first Sea Geek purchase. Uh, Peter. You know, the
New York thing has me kind of befuddled, Like I
don't really understand it. They're they're to intend, They're going nowhere.
They don't have Odell Beckham Jr. Shepherds not fully back yet,
you know, so, they don't really having a good wide
receiving cores, offensive line is not good. Aren't they better
(30:36):
off losing? And doesn't doesn't Eli Manny potentially allow them
to be competitive and maybe win a game? Well, I'm
not a big fan of Aren't they better off? Losing, well,
you know, of course they are, then they'll have their
choice of quarterback or whatever. But I think the way
I look at this, Doug, is you know, John Marrow
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walked into his then general managers office about three weeks
ago and said, Hey, shouldn't we be looking at the
other quarterbacks? I mean, you know, let's be real here,
and re said yes, I think it's a good idea,
and so they hatched a plan. Maybe it was hair brained,
(31:18):
it was slightly hair brained. At least they hatched a
plan to look at the young Geno Smith for at
least a week, and then Davis Webb for maybe three
weeks who knows how long, And now all of a
sudden they change coaches. And because the Pitchfork crowd was
(31:40):
going to make things very ugly in three of the
last four home games, uh, I guess the Giants now say, well,
elis our quarterback. I think it's a bad idea. I'll
just say this, Doug. I'm not It's not like I'm
keeping score at home necessary really, but I probably was
(32:03):
with one of one or maybe two or three in
both the local because I live in New York, and
but local and national media who said this is a
good idea. There's no sense when you're two and nine
to keep throwing Eli Manning out there and not find
out a damn thing about Davis Webb before you're going
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to have the second or third or fourth pick in
the draft. That it's chock full of quarterbacks. It's stupid,
good Giants. Maybe he didn't do this exactly the right way,
but it's a smart thing. And now all of a
sudden you're saying, never mind. I mean, chart with me
up as somebody who says I do not understand I
must be educated on that. Yeah, me, neither. Um. There's
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a couple of things here. I mean, there is an
elephant in the room that I don't think anybody's discussing discussing,
and Peter, you're the perfect guy because of your knowledge
of the league and because you live in New York,
you know this. If it wasn't for Geno Smith, I
actually Geno Smith was the was the reason for the revolt.
People like, look, if he goes to David's web, that
makes sense, but Gino Smith. Everybody hates Geno Smith, and
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we've seen Gino Smith at least the reason there was
a reason for that Doug more than anything else, Okay,
and the biggest reason for it. Not only has Geno
Smith been your backup quarterback the whole year, And it
would be a bit of a slap in the face
to to just say, hey, by the way, I know
you've been number two the whole year, but you're not playing.
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We're going directly to number three. But but but again,
I can take the insult to Gino Smith. But the
other part of this is, for twelve weeks, the number
three quarterback had walked into the office every walk into
the coach's office every week, and they had given him
the game plan for the scout team quarterback. That's what
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they had and all he had done the entire year.
He had never taken a snap as the quarterback of
the New York Giants running their plays. He had taken
snaps as Russell Wilson running the Seattle Seahawks plays or
is who what whoever they're playing in that particular week.
So that's why the Giants said, well, let's give him
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some time to practice our plays rather than throwing him
out there, you know, like naked, which was which I
thought was a logical, smart explanation. All Right, give him
one week to absolute max, you know, before before you
you know, you put him in. So I was thinking
to myself, Okay, this guy is gonna play three games,
(34:38):
maybe four, that's that's a good idea. And give him
a real chance when he's gonna play. But anyway, now
that seems to have been forgotten. All right, So they
got to hire GM first, right, or is the GM
and combination with because the GM then has to have
somebody who he GM, right, Okay, So who's the Dave Gettleman.
Now that's that's a name that's been thrown around. I
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know Dave Gettleman only because Ernie of Corsie. He's a
he's a former disciple of Ernie of Corsi. I would
say a Coursie really really loved Dave Gettleman, and he
thinks he's a very bright, no nonsense, meeting potatoes football guy.
My only problem with Dave Gettleman. It's gonna be sixty
seven next year. The New York Giants have been uh
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two general managers what the Pittsburgh Steelers have been to coaches.
The Steelers have had three head coaches since nineteen sixty nine.
The Giants have had three general managers since nineteen seventy nine,
and so every one of them has worked at least
ten years in the job. And mean, my opinions is
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my opinion, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, uh,
to hire a guy who's going to be sixty seven
years old, unless you're kind of breaking the mold and said,
you know, we'd like to have Dave Gettleman for four
or five years, maybe h three or four years at
Lead East and let's get this franchise back on track.
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Let's get our quarterback in the future, and then we'll
worry about the future in the future. If that If
that's it, so be it. But it's hard to envision
Dave Gentleman being the general manager of this team for
ten years. Okay, Cleveland Browns today, Sashy Brown is out
and Hugh Jackson's gonna remain as head coach for next season.
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What was your reaction to, maybe, I mean, I can
how can you count on anything with Jimmy Haslin changes
coaches like we change underwear and changes personnel, guys. I mean,
it's uh, you know, look, well, everybody everybody knows this.
They've watched this the last few years with the Browns.
But I think what it came down to is this
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this coach and you know has basically didn't have control
over the draft. Sashy Brown had control over the draft,
and Sashi Brown in the last couple of drafts uh
Bay sickly has passed on Carson Wentz to Shaun Watson, UH,
Mitchell Trubisky, uh and and however whoever else you want
(37:10):
to put in that thing. You didn't pass on Jared
Goff because they didn't have the number one pick that year.
But this general manager has been this Sashi Brown has
been very very good at stocking the cabinet with draft choices.
He has not been very very good at picking the
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guy who's the most important position on the field, the
most important position in all of sports, and that's the quarterbacks.
So at some point, if you're Jimmy has lem and
you're looking at all the quarterbacks that this guy has
passed on, uh, even though you've got five picks in
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the first two rounds, that's a great thing in Keith.
But if you're Jimmy Haslum, part of you is saying,
do I have any faith that after saying as an organization,
which you know, Paul d. Podesta looked and and and
this group looked at Carson Wentz a year and a
half ago and said, we don't think he's going to
(38:14):
be a top twenty quarterback in the NFL. I mean,
that's a damning statement coming from this group. So I
think that Jimmy haslum hated to do it because he
realizes that they've changed uh, they've changed courses far too often.
But I think he basically says, I don't have faith
(38:35):
in this guy to pick my quarterback in the future. Yeah, um,
Ryan shays here. Today we learned he had surgery. It's
um a spine stabilization surgery. There have been multiple ports
out there that this means he won't play their Man
of the Year and there's a possibility he won't play
football ever again. We we just don't know enough about it.
(38:57):
But we're not hearing he's walking again. We're not hearing
he's gonna be okay. It's that spinal concussion that people
thought it might hopefully be there, the Tommy Maddox injury,
if you will, there's an interesting juxtaposition there, Peter in
the Mike Mitchell rant, to which she's like, look, I
just want to play football. I know that I I know,
I know all the different things that can happen to you,
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But I signed up to play this man's game. YadA, YadA, YadA.
And the support for Juju Smith Schuster on what was
at first teemed a legal hit on on Vont's perfect
who has been a guy who he's had dirty hits
in his past, like the idea that players aren't smartan
enough to know that you're just trying to protect you
from you and it and and to see one of
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your own like they're most weird thing, the weird thing
about this jug And I totally totally agree with you.
I think you Schuster ought to be suspended for about
three years just for being the most tone deaf player
in NFL history. You know, first standing over a guy
who might be knocked out and who knows how injured
(40:02):
he might be, when one of his own teammates is
lying in a hospital and you truly don't know if
he's ever going to walk again. I mean, it's just
it was ridiculous what Smith Schuster did, in my opinion anyway,
But I do think this this is so we're in
the slipperyous of the most slippery however, you'd say it
(40:24):
of all slopes in this for this reason. Okay, because
Ryan Shazier his hit was absolutely totally legally what the
form tackling was not correct, But that is a matter
for a day weeks down the road, not not right now.
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But but but that was that was not a dirty play.
That was just a terrible accident. That's what that was. No, No,
I understand understand. He had his head down and that's
why he got hurt. The point, though, is that you
start you realize the dangers of the sport you play,
and and you're hitting a guy who's not looking, and
he's laying there and he's potentially concussed, he is knocked out,
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and you're, you know, wolfing over the top like just
the idea, Like, look, dude, don't you understand, like there
is so much more at stake than simply simply you
know what, I honestly think, you know what I think
as much. And Mike mitchell I can't read his mind,
so I don't know exactly the play he's referring to.
I think he's referring to a play like the George
Iloca play. Yes, because George Iloca was not trying to
(41:31):
hit Antonio Brown helmet to helmet. Now he's trying to
break up, trying to bring up past. Yeah, yeah, but
but but having said that, having said that, the NFL
has basically drawn this line in the sand and said
to the players. They've said, in essence, you have to
be responsible. Just like in in the p D suspensions.
(41:53):
You're responsible for work goes in your party. We don't
want to in your body. We don't want to hear
any excuses after you get caught and found that that
you're dirty. Just like in the same way, if you
hit somebody in the helmet with your helmet and he's
a defenseless player, your subject to discipline, whether you meant
to do it or not. It's like a picture hitting
(42:15):
somebody in the head. You know, sometimes you don't mean
to do it, but you still might get suspended or
or or or fine for it. And so my point
is I think Mike Mitchell was saying, we can't control
some of these things. Please stop suspending us for things
that you know are truly accidents. And again I would
(42:36):
be shocked if he meant uh the juju Smith Schuster
for standing over a guy wolfing at him when he
when he might be knocked unconscious. I spoke with somebody
who's uh, one of the foremost experts in executive compensation
before the show, Peter, and he said, I don't get it,
(42:57):
like I don't. I don't know where the scale is
that Roger Goodell is worth forty million dollars a year.
Granted a lot of it is, And I think you
first have to correct that duck because I don't think
he's ever gonna make forty million dollars a year in
this deal. Read what Albert Brier wrote this morning at
the MMQB and his game Plan column, and it's very
clear that probably the average salary that Goodell will make
(43:18):
will be somewhere between twenty seven and thirty million dollars
a year. This is an incentive based contract. If Roger
Goodell is the greatest commissioner in the history of man
and everything all the metrics rise, he could make close
to forty million dollars. But that's not going to happen
in today's day and age ratings are going to be
(43:39):
mediocre compared to what they were, and there's gonna be
no shows, and there's gonna be this, and there's gonna
be anthem problems and all this. So again I don't
mean to interrupt you, but I know you think that
it needs the narrative that Goodell is making forty million
a year needs to be corrected. It and again, it's
kind of so it's so it's kind of like it's
(43:59):
kind of like a of these deals that we see
with NFL players signing where it's a hundred and fifty million,
but only forty million is actually guaranteed. Yeah. But but
again again, I'm not trying to say that it isn't
absurd anyway for a commissioner to make thirty or thirty
two or in a great year thirty six. I I'm
not trying to say that that isn't ridiculous, because I
(44:21):
do think it's ridiculous. I personally, I just in my opinion,
no matter how good a job Roger Goodell does, I
just think what has gotten way out of whack in
my opinion, because I think the Lee I a cocus
of the world, and all those people who are the
tops of these great companies. You know, just because their
(44:42):
companies are making a fabulous amount of money, it doesn't
mean they meet they need to make two hundred million
a year or whatever the exorbitant grotesque sum of money is,
you know, make your car fifteen dollars a car less
or whatever. That's just the way I feel about no
executive conversation has has has gotten completely out of control. Um.
(45:04):
By the way, other writers from the m MQB want
to call about your executive cop I'm kidding, I'm kidding
for uh, Peter. Here's my big question though this was
there was some ugliness though between Jerry Jones and the
other owners, between Jerry Jones UM and Roger Goodell. And
Goodell can can act like, Hey, everything's cool now I
got paid, I got my axtension. Was it ugly enough
(45:27):
to where there will still be bad bitter feelings between
owners and owners and owners and Goodell? There will be
some bitter feelings I think between owners and Ferry Jones. Yes,
they have a meeting next Wednesday and Thursday in Dallas.
Annual meeting, uh either they have every December, and I
(45:50):
expect that if you're just asking me, I think Jerry
Jones will at that meeting begin the process of trying
to be the pragmatists that he is and in not
taking this any further because he lost. He lost. It's
over and Jerry. I do know this about Jerry. He's
(46:13):
a pragmatic human being, and I just think at this
point he's probably going to say, well, at the end
of this story, let's move on to the next one.
There won't. There will be some owners, tradition based owners, uh,
family ownership owners who I think are going to Uh
(46:34):
it's going to take a while for them to trust
Jerry Jones. He threatened to sue him as an organization.
Uh so. But but I do think eventually, because every
everything always comes back to center in the NFL and
in big business, that that they'll that they'll get they'll
get back together. Go to see gig dot com and
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Peter King. The website is v mm QB dot com.
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new computer. That's what you should do. Peter, great stuff,
Happy holidays to you and thanks for joining us. I
really appreciated Doug. Thank you. Always a great discussion. When
Peter King
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