December 8, 2017 • 38 mins
Doug tells you why not all interceptions are equal and why the Saints loss last night might have cost them a shot at the Super Bowl. He talks about the feud between the Heisman Trust and the former Heisman winners and why that's bad news for the future of the award. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to talk about Baker Mayfield transitioning to the NFL and previewing Eagles vs. Rams with Jared Goff and Carson Wentz going head to head.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live from the City of Angels, where
I do believe there are two home football games this weekend,
a couple of hoop games tonight at Staples and at
least one at least one potential future Major League Baseball
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star has decided to call it home. Otani's coming, but
he's not coming to Los Doyers. He's coming to the Angels. Uh.
And we'll see if John Carlos Stanton chooses to come
back home to play for the Dodgers. We got Hot
Stove League News to talk about Hot Stove League. No
college football with extampons, with exception of Oregan deciding to
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stick with Mario Cristo Ball, who of course came over
as their offensive coordinator. He was previously the head coach
at Florida. One of the Florida to Florida I think
Florida International. There's the order to the Nationals Florida Atlantic
for the International I believe is the one in Miami,
Florida Atlantics to one in for Lauderdale. Whatever. He did
a really good job there and lost his job with
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a personality conflict, and now he's the head coach at Oregon.
Kind of a weird fit, but seems like it'll it'll
work with Jim Lovett Staying is their defensive coordinator. All Right,
we got a little college football to talk about, got
some MEMBA to talk about. The Lakers take down the
Philadelphia seventy six years. But let's start with last night's
Thursday night football game. It's interesting the thunder loss last
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night in Mexico City. You know the three things you
can count on when you go to Mexico? Right, Ramos,
do you know this? The water? Don't drink the water?
Something on fire? Three leg a dog kids telling cheek right,
Three three things that you can you can count on.
Three things you can count on Thursday night football. You
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wear what they are? I mean to excuse me? Three
things you can count on in life, death taxes. And
whoever loses Thursday night football complains about Thursday Night football. Right,
And look, there are rightful and reasonable concerns about Thursday
Night Football. I've pointed this out time and again, like
the games themselves not going away, not going away? Um,
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the NBA last night it was really easy to know
the Rockets were gonna win that game in UTUK they
had six days off. Right. The NBA has taken the
lead of like, hey, we're extending this season. We're gonna
be smart about it, and I would expect, uh, I
would expect that the NFL will at some point do
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the same because Thursday night football is not going away.
And the idea of having a bye before every Thursday
night football game sounds really really good. Doesn't that sound good?
That sounds good to you, Like that sounds delicious, That
sounds good. The problem with it is the execution of
it's hard because for Thursday Night football games, Thursday games,
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you already have the three games on Thanksgiving, you have
the initial Thursday night game, then you have the Saturday
games late in the year. Like it's a balancing x.
The idea of well, well don't you just have by,
you know, before every Thursday night game, and then you
know with it, it's good, It's good, right, It's like, okay,
well know, then then the Cowboys there's only one Thursday
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night games, So the Cowboys are only on Thursday night,
and whoever, then the Lions are only on Thursday on Thanksgiving.
Like you start, it starts getting really difficult. Ah. But
instead of complaining about Thursday night football, which, hey, man,
you sign up that deal when you're gonna sign a
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contract if you don't want to play on Thursday nights,
sign a contract says you don want to play on
Thursday nights instead of talking about that or Matt Ryan
sudden incompetence and ability to turn the football over. I mean, man,
three interceptions and you still win the game. You know
that felt like? That feels like remember Clayton Kershaw's first
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start this year in the playoffs when he gave up
four home runs and still got the win. Like, I
didn't really pitch well, but he got the win. That's
what it reminds me of. But to me, the biggest
play of the game was the last play of the game,
or essentially last play of the game. Tight answer receivers
right one receiver to the left, Ngram in the backbild
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with Breeze, snap to it, bree suits it and Zone intercepted.
Oh my goodness, Dion Jones made an amazing play. He
actually made a maybe an aspectacular play running down the
wide receiver on first down. The play right before. Deon
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Jones a freak athlete, I mean, wow, is he crazy athletic?
But that play is huge, huge, and by my estimation, uh,
I think it makes it virtually impossible to see a
path that the New Orleans Saints reached the Super Bowl.
That's how big a loss that was for the Saints.
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I know the Saints were down eight guys. I know
they're decimated by injury. You lose Kamara in the first quarter,
who's been as good at running back as there is
in football over the past five or six weeks. I mean,
you lose that, and that's automatically gonna set you back.
But on the road a chance to get to their
tenth win. Some of the Eagles have already done, the
Vikings have already done, the Rams are yet to do.
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This is the Saints team that's five and one at home.
Everyone knows they're built to play on the fast turf
and at home in New Orleans. The remaining schedule has
winnable games. Winnable games. Next week the Jets at home,
then the Falcons and home at the Buccaneers. So best
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case scenario, they have twelve wins. Twelve wins. On the
other hand, the Saints. Uh have already lost to the Vikings,
who would who could also have twelve or possibly thirteen wins.
They have already lost to the Rams, who would also
potentially have twelve wins, and they have not played the
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Philadelphia Eagles, but the Eagles are tenant to on the season,
and the Eagles finish up Rams at Giants, Raiders, Cowboys
at home. Now, the Cowboys game may be really important
or it may not. But if you're in New Orleans
and you look and you have three or four competitors,
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and I will grant it, I'll grant you. The Eagles
and the Rams played each other, so somebody is losing
an additional game this week. It's it's almost an impossibility,
even with their schedule being soft, that if they win
their last four games, they're gonna get home field advantage
throughout and they might not get home field advantage in
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the second round of the playoffs. And if that's the case,
the Saints aren't going to let alone winning the Super Bowl.
That's how big an interception was, and they were deep
in field goal range in the Dome, they were gonna
make the field goal worst case scenario, and for Drew
Brees and as good a career as Drew Brees has had.
That's a terrible look. He knew it, he knew how
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big it was. But look, we can make takeaways over
the coaching mishaps. Both coaches had some bizarre what is
dan Quinn declines a penalty on third down? What is
he doing? Then it becomes fourth in one, so it
extends the Saints drive, Like what what are you doing?
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And then of course, uh, Sean Payton gets a penalty
for trying to call a time out on the field, uh,
which ends up costing the Saints there las time out
because he's penalized. Neither team played particularly well. Both teams
were totally beat up. All of that considered, the only
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thing that really matters was the Saints were in field
goal range, seriously easily makeable field goal range, and Drew Brees,
their veteran, a future Hall of Famer, throws interception to
a past that he didn't even need to throw, and
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that interception was as big as, maybe not as big
as as the Chaisier injury, which still not good news
out of Philadelphia. Pittsburgh Steelers camp, be sure to catch
live editions of the Doug Gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network.
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He also has his own podcast along with Bucky Brooks.
But he is a native San Diegan and he lives
in San Diego where there's the terrible fires from uh,
the San Fernando Valley and Ventura County which is north
and west of Los Angeles and now spread to San Diego. DJ.
Everybody safe at home? Yeah, everybody's safe. Like I appreciate
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you asking. It was about ten miles away from our
house where where one is what's going? But I think
they've got about contained and kids all school got canceled
and all that stuff. But so far, you know, from
our family standpoint, it's been okay. But man, praying for
all the other families out there, this has been it's
pretty be awful situation with all these fires. Yeah, it's uh.
And for people who don't understand, you're like, wait, why
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is this any worse? Remember last year historic rains in
southern California, and so with historic rains comes a historic
amount of brush and then like that, it just doesn't rain.
And though the fire season is normal. The fire danger
and how these fires spread and now they burn is
even greater because of all that brush. You simply can't
cut it all back. Um, let's get to let's start
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with college football. We still don't know about Donald, we
still don't know about Rosen. We do know about Baker Mayfield.
Let me start with Baker Mayfield. Um I Trent Dilforst said, Hey, man,
I know you wanted to be Russell Wilson. But he
doesn't have big hands, doesn't have long arms. He does
have a big arm, and he does kind of have
a cock of the walk field to him. Others are
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Others are starting to buy in and think this guy
could be a first round selection. Is he a starting
quarterback in the NFL in your mind? Yeah? I think so.
I mean, look around the league and see what's playing
right now and see some of the guys are out there.
I mean, do I think he's gonna be a top
ten quarterback? No? I don't think that's rich. But I
think in a run heavy team that can work off
play action, give him a deep pocket where he can
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survey and see a little bit better, I think he's
very very welcome function as a starting quarterback, and I
think he'll he's gonna go higher than some people think.
There's just there's just more need at the positions. There
are quality players. He's gonna go. Yeah. But but you
like him. I do. I like him. I think you
can play. I think you gotta have a plan in place.
I think you want to be a run heavy team
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and work off the run game with deeper play action
for a shorter quarterback. That makes his life a little
easier to see. That's like, that's that's what they do
with Russell Wilson, right, Russell Wilson's drops I mean he
drops back so far that's perfect. The thing and the challenges.
You gotta be able to have a huge arm, and
I don't think he has Russell Wilson's arm, But I
think he does have a strong arm. It's plenty strong
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enough to be able to function in that type of system.
Um Rosen is kind of being a little bit coy
about whether or not he's coming out. Is there any
question whether or not he come out of the drive,
come out of the draft? Yeah, I mean, I look,
who knows, man, I've been shocked before. I mean, my
padres don't get the Japanese outfielder that your angel's got So,
I mean, I guess we could be surprised, but uh no,
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he's come on, he's coming out. I'll be shocked. Okay.
So look, everyone seems to say the same thing. Man,
he looks the part God, he looks apart. They're like,
would you taken down one over e E? I don't know.
Not a leader entitled, likes to party a little bit,
doesn't win, has been hurt. Um if if if you
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have it, I'm one pick in your Cleveland, do you
take him? Oh? Man? Uh? Can I Can I meet
with him first? I mean that would be my thing,
because I just want to you know, you hear you
get all the third person and accounts of what his
personalities like and um and what his football acumen is.
I would love to get a chance to meet with
Unfortunately in this gig, I do get a chance to
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talk with all these guys in the spring. Physical ability wise,
no question, he's worth the fur. He's worth a first
overall pick. But that other part of it's a pretty
big deal. And I think you have to wait until
you get in the room and to now and talk
with him and get a feel for him before you
would put your stamp on him. How big are the
concerns that people have, They're legitimate. I mean, I think
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you touched on one of it. I know people hate
it and say, oh, winning is not a quarterback stat,
but it is um you know, when you look at
historically and look at all these guys in the league.
I did a study on it last year. Of the
quarterbacks you know, didn't have wild success from a win
total standpoint. Of the starters in the NFL, the only
two that I could come up with where Jay Cutler
and Trevor Simeon. That was it. All these other guys
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win ten plus games you know in cows a yearly basis,
So there is something to that, and I think you
gotta be your homework and all that stuff. But the personality,
I mean, Bucky Bucky and my buddy Bucky Brooks said
it several times. He's probably eliminated a third of the
teams in the league with his personality that they just
won't they won't want to mess with him. But there's
still that still leaves a bunch of other teams out there.
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So I don't think he's gonna be for everybody, But
I don't think it's gonna be a situation where everybody's
worried about him either. He's somewhere in the middle. Sashi
Brown was fired yesterday, and by my estimation, he was fired.
It's it's kind of like the mac brown thing, right,
Like mc brown was was great and then the team
fell off. And though there were other reasons the team
fell off, you couldn't escape the fact that Andrew Luck
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grew up in Texas. All these quarterbacks, the jamis Winston's
that that they had a chance and that they passed
on um. I mean Johnny Manzel, he wanted to be
a defensive back and soltimately lost his job, which is
really what happened with Sashy Brown, right, it's he they
gotted the place, they got a bunch of picks, They
got some good young talent, uh, they got they had
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some good decent cap discipline as well. But you walk around,
you're like Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz passed on these guys
multiple times. You had an opportunity to solve the quarterback issue.
Isn't that essentially why he got fired? Yeah? I think so.
I think that's the number one reason with the quarterbacks
being out there. I mean, look, there's three reasons to me.
Number one, those quarterbacks they passed on have proven to
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be big time guys. Number Two, the win loss record
is what it is. It's so ugly and atrocious you
can't defend it. And number three, though, I think this
is the reason people don't talk about if you look
at and this probably goes even beyond him, the Brown's
biggest issues haven't been on the guys they've passed. It's
been on the guys they've picked. You know, so easy
to say. You can go around the league to any
team and say, well, they should have taken this guy.
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He's or than the guy they took. But if you
want to hit, if Corey Coleman had emerged as a
Pro Bowl receiver right now, if Danny Shelton wasn't was
an All Pro nose tackle, if all these other guys
that actually did pick or playing outstanding at other positions,
then you could say, Okay, we're on the right track.
We're getting a lot of good pieces in places. I
think that's why the Jaguars, you know, stayed with David Calblow.
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The winds weren't there. But you're like, man, we've we've got,
We're starting to stockpile a lot of studs and all
these other positions. Eventually it's gonna work out. That hasn't
been the case with Browns. Uh last night, I felt
like Drew Brees that last that last pick almost seals
the deal that it. It makes it really difficult to
see them as a super Bowl team. Not because Breeze
isn't good, not because when they get Kamara back they
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won't have a dynamic running game, but they have to
play in the Superdome in order to get to the
super Bowl, don't they? And do you lose that game
last night? A winnable game in spite of all their injuries,
and it makes it really hard to see a path
for them to get in home field advantage throughout. Yeah,
I've been you know, I've been on that train saying, hey,
if if it goes through Philadelphia, I'll take Philadelphia. If
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it goes through New Orleans, I probably would. I probably
would be more of a toss up. But now it's like, dang,
the Vikings are just kind of hanging out over there.
We kind of forget about them. But yeah, I would
put if you're going to rank their chances to make
it all the way through the Super Bowl. Right now,
I would go Philly one, Minnesota too, and probably whoever
comes out of the the NFC, NFC South number three.
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All right, let's let's get to the big matchup in
Los Angeles, Golf and wins. Everybody is falling all over
themselves about wins golf. Of course, people were so down
on last year and now even though he's getting praise,
a lot of that praises hey look surrounded by a
great cast of players, got a great play color, and
the way in which they way in which they operate
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with the rams he gets at Lantis commissu early so
mcveacon still talk in his ear a little bit. Um.
How big is the separation your mind between wins and golf?
I think they're totally different, guys. I still think I
would have wins over golf. It. I think golf has
has been outstanding this year, and I think he doesn't
get the credit he deserves because those other factors in place,
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no doubt, but he's executing um And to me, I
just think physical tool wise, I think Wentz has more
of that, just the size, the imposing ability to kind
of step out of tackles and make things happen. More
physical guy. But I think Golf is playing in a
very very efficient manner. And I think he's he's playing,
you know, good enough. He's not just good enough to win.
That's that's not you know, saying it correctly. He can
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he can lead a football team. And I think you're
seeing more and more confidence in that. Look at how
much they're letting him throw Doug. They're not taking the
ball out of his hands, are putting it is in
his hands, and that tells you they got the right guy.
I I also thought that Monday night when shas Here
got hurt um. Look, there are there are several positions
to which the Steelers are just better than the Patriots.
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And I know they played down to level of competition,
but at some point you just need guys. And they
have playmakers, a better running back, a better wide receiver. Uh,
you go through the cam Heywards of the world, you
go to to to T. J. Watt Like they have
guys that get after the quarterback, but you lose Shaysier.
Isn't that almost house of cards? Defensionally, don't that dramatically
change who the stealers are getting ready for? The playoffs. Yeah,
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you know what. Look, it's it's it comes down to matchups.
And when I look at that Patriots game, what are
the Patriots love to do? They love to work through
the tight ends, They love to work through the running backs.
Shaves here, if not the most athletic, one of the
most athletic linebackers in the league. I mean he ran
the high fourth threes. So you take away somebody that
can run and cover, uh those backs and tight ends,
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and you gotta you know, everybody says it's coming. It's
them in New England. That matchup is coming. That is
a huge loss for the Steelers. The Vikings are taken
on the Panthers. The Panthers have have shown that one
of these teams, You're like, wait, the record is what
On the other hand, of on the other hand, the
Vikings have had this dominant season, which I guess it's
because it's case Keenum. Nobody can nobody can buy in.
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But their defense is unbelievable. Uh, they have two elite
wide receivers and Keenum is out there balling. Give me
your sense of Vikings Panthers. Well, I'm kind of whiskey
on the Panthers. You kind of you're kind of sitting
how the heck are they here? And even though I
think it's because Cam is so unconventional, you know, you
can just kind of he's just so unique and that
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what's around him is almost kind of irrelevant. Times. He
can just take things over with his physical nature. I
still think Minnesota one to fifty three is a much
better football club than the Panthers. But you know, hey,
Cam Newton is is one of the few guys. He
does in a different way. But you can take a
football game over and that's why they're always in it.
I still that would lean more towards Minnesota. Chargers are
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now tied with the Kansas City Chiefs atop the a
f C West. You were high on the Chargers going
back way back, when so is I. Um, they didn't
actually play all that well and beat Cleveland last week
they got the Skins. Uh, last game of the year
feels like it's gonna be a barn burner with the
Raiders are also at six and six. Um, do you
expect the Kansas Chiefs to turn this thing around? Oh? Man,
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it's been such a slide and and now I think defensively,
I just wonder what's going on this football team and
see some of the undisciplined stuff taking place. Sit down,
Marcus Peters. I don't know that. I just keep coming
back to the two things I believe in at the
NFL level, when you're trying to separate teams, I look
at d line play and I look at quarterback, and
the Chargers I think are are in great shape in
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both of those spots, and I think that's why they're
gonna end up winning that division. Agree with you, Daniel Jeremiah.
Check out his podcast Downloaded. He and Bucky brooksly do
a great job. Plus see him on the NFL Network.
DJ Glad everybody's safe. Thoughts and uh teas and peas
to everybody in San Diego. Hopefully you guys, just everyone
you know is safe as well. Thanks for joining us.
Thankful lot, buddy. I don't I don't understand why why
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you're not apologizing for taking Otani from us, though, I
don't understand why. I don't warrant that as a Padre fan,
I mean, it's brutal. Why would you go play for
the Padre? The pottery is a great place to watch
a game. They're not any good like the the Angels
were in the good last year, and they were pretty
good last year, didn't have Mike Chop for a third
of the season, have no pitching, and yet still nearly
made the playoffs. Padres, I just I kind of feel
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like they got a little Cleveland Browns to him, except
they're not in Cleveland there in San Diego. Well, you've
got Trout. I mean he could have literally walked into
the building and been our best offensive player, defensive player,
in pitcher. I mean, that's kind of unique. It is
kind of unique. I just like you know, everybody, myself included,
we all got Dodger fever, and suddenly I've got a
little night quill and the Nike will for it is
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uh is uh is Otani. Now now I got Angel.
There you go, There you go, all right, buddy DJ.
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And I was watching the Lakers and it was a
five game losing streak and beat the Sixers last night. Look,
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there's a lot of there's a lot of discussion about
Lonzo Ball, and there are still some things A ton
of things to work on, and there are a bunch
of moments in the NBA game which you forget that
he's even on the floor. That's a weird thing for
a point guard in a guard dominated league, in a
league in which the rules are set up so that
your point guard can handle and overhandle the basketball, to
forget where a Lonzo ball is. It's just kind of weird.
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But he is attacking more when he gets the ball
in transition instead of just throwing the ball up. He
did no time and score and went for two for
one there with twenty nine seconds to go. And when
he got the ball back, he knew that they were
in a tie game, and so while he could have
attacked with about nine seconds to go, he passed the
brandon Ingram, who promptly passed it back to him. That's
when he drove and kicked out to Ingram. Like, do
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I want him to be uh that want him to
be more aggressive? Sure, don't want to be better at
shooting the basketball. Absolutely, don't want to be better defensively, yes,
but you're looking for signs of growth and considering the
fact that in in previous games he had always high
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potato the ball in transition that was getting better, and
considering he knew time and scored in the last thirty
seconds of the game when so many other players do not,
I think I think those are wins. And yeah, by
the way, the team didn't did in fact win, rebounded well,
passed well, blocked a couple of shots. All that good.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. There's
a way in which you can ingratiate people and make
them feel like they're part of the process, even if
you change nothing at all. It's the exact same thing
I talked about with how the Giants mismanaged the Eli
Manning situation. Look, they should have been at bench Eli Manning.
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It was not the wrong decision, but it's the wrong
way to go about it. Let Eli Manning be the
one who comes out of like. Look, we sat down,
had some long talks, and I'm fully focused on the
future of this organization, and I decided or have been
McAdoo like, Look, we proposed it. We we allowed Eli
to decide how he wanted to get David's Webb in
the game and he said, why don't you just start Gino?
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And you know it's complete different the same thing with
the Heisman Trust. Now they're gonna have former winners not
show up, like, oh, that's just ugly, just ugly. The
the one point that end. And look the if you're
Gary Biban, or you're Johnny Rodgers or your Gino Torretta,
or you're any of these other past winners, Tim Brown,
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and you have a problem with it. I do think
this is a little bit like meeting with the president,
like going to the White House. I do think that yeah,
we will. Your voice will be heard loud and clear
by you not being there, but it would be heard
even more loudly, even more clearly if you were there,
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you were in attendance. Because what happens is when you
those guys don't show up, it diminishes the current winner
Baker Mayfield likely current winner, and it tells people like
man In foreign players aren't even showing up like this
award towards stinks. I couldn't be the only one that
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thinks this, right well, and of course they should. There
should be a way in which, uh, you have to
hire a two thousand, seventeen marketing firm. I don't think
that fans should have a huge percentage of the vote,
but fans should have a percentage of the vote. Again,
that's like, that's like the exact same thing fans should,
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but they should feel like they're engaged. Hey, look, we're
gonna open up five of the total balloting will be
fan balloting. And you find a way to do it
to where people can't multiple register or whatever, or find
a way in which college football coaches can choose who
represents You can't vote for a kid in your own team,
pick who you think should represent your sport as the
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greatest player in your sport in that given season. There's
a way to bring in more people, there's a way
to bring in more money, and there's also a way
to bring in these former winners. The first thing they're
doing wrong is they're not talking. When you don't talk,
that's when any relationship breaks down work relationship, business relationship,
or just a personal romantic relationship, a friendship. You don't talk.
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And so the fact that the that the Heisman Trust
isn't talking to former former winners, well they're in itself
shows the breakdown. And then Heisman winners not showing up.
While their intentions are good. Their intentions are, hey, we're solidarity,
We're not showing up. We're not happy. That's a good intention.
But what ends up happening is our perception of it
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is former Heisman winners aren't even showing up. If they
don't care, why should I care? That is slap in
the face of Baker Mayfield? Is that a slap in
the face at the award? The future of the award?
Even if they are right that the Heisman Trust needs
to evolve into two thousand seventeen, otherwise it will become
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just an award. Fox Sports Radio the best sports talk
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Radio app. Let's bring in Sam Amy from USA Today.
He's a big baller, even if he doesn't wrap the brand.
He joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. What are
people in the NBA saying about about the LaVar pulling
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lo Angelo from u c l A And LaMelo from
high school and now saying they're gonna play together overseas? Um,
you know, I think there's some some eye rolling going on.
Doug for sure, you know what I mean. For one,
LaMelo is is kind of you know, the younger one
is the one who has a higher ceiling conceivably in
terms of who's going to be as a player. But
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you know, as you've seen, you know, there's been a
little bit of dose for reality when it comes to
the Angelo and and the wily held belief that this
is a guy that that wasn't on draft boards and
wasn't destined for the NBA anyway. So I think, you know,
we've got enough of a conversation talking about a Lonzo
and what kind of NBA player he gonna become. When
it comes to the other two brothers, you know, and
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considering now the decisions being made in the context of
their basketball experience, I think, you know, it's definitely in
question kind of what what the other two were gonna
look like and where they're gonna wind up. Um. But
but it's largely irrelevant to the actual NBA community because
these guys are these are not you know, seen as
lottery picks down the road. We saw Alonzo last night.
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I saw some growth in terms of his decision making,
understand time and score, and that fact he was attacking
in transition instead of always you know, kind of hot
potato in the ball. But but there, look the I
mean he's only shot above I believe one game, one
game as as a product thus far, the shooting is problem.
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At the finishing his problem at the defense can be improved,
the body can be improved. We're if we're I don't know,
a third the way through the season or a quarter
of the way through the season. Uh, what's the general takeaway?
And Alonzo, I think some surprised. I mean, every rookie
is gonna struggle, and inconsistencies are going to be expected,
but I think generally surprised that he hasn't been more
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dynamic and whether you want to focus on kind of
the lack of of you know, aggression at different times
and whether it's I mean, the guy has never been
a shooter, but he shot the battle a whole lot
better at U C. L A. And he did you know,
had so far with the Lakers. Um. You know, I
think people question confidence where his head is at and
and he's trying to work his way through what's been
a tough couple of months. I mean, last night, that's
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a great moment for him. Late. You know, he missed
that three right before he found Brandon Ingram and and
that was ugly. And so that it's it's getta love
pro sports, right where like the narrative changes so quickly
because he looked like the goat one second and then
he drives, you know, on the right side and finds
Brandon And that's the kind of vision and you know
the way he attacks the floor and opens things up
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for other guys, that's what you saw. But you know,
I think people are still intrigued, you know, beyond belief
and think he could be very good. But he has
not been good on most nights. SA make joining us
in the Doug Gallup Show here on the Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I know the thunder didn't have Paul George. I know
that altitude got them. I understand all that. And they
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took on a team that's gonna shoot as many threes
as anybody in the NBA. The Brooklyn Net shot thirty
seven three pointers last night. But they lost that game, right,
I mean, and after jumping out, it wasn't they weren't
ready to play their team point leader in the first quarter,
ready to play, and and Carmelo and Russell Westbrook were bad.
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They just were not good. Um, what's the temperature in
the room in Oklahoma City now that we're what twenty
four games in and their two games blow five. Um,
it's it's again we talked about inconsistencies. I mean it's
it's up and down. You know, they had a really
good three game stretch leading into that Brooklyn game. I
guarantee you you know that Sam Presty and Billy Donovan,
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those guys, they were hoping to keep it going. You know,
they had a win over the Spurs, granted without LaMarcus Aldridge. Uh,
they slowed down a Utah team that have been winning
a lot of games, and they beat Minnesota, you know,
which had beat them twice earlier in the year. And
if you broke down those three wins, I got better
in a lot of ways that had they've been struggling
and specifically clutched time and uh, you know, their net
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rating just went through the roof. And so for three
games things look pretty good. Um, with some qualifiers, and
this Brooklyn game was a tough one. I mean that's
just it's a it's a team that is better than
we thought they were going to be. The nets but
they're still Brooklyn, They're still certainly on the lower half
of the league. And uh, and I think the bigger
takeaway from me is that with Paul out, as we
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try to hone in on what's going wrong here, I
do think it's it's really starting to be safe to
say that, you know, Carmelo is having a tough time
finding a way to fit in and and they are
at their worst a lot of times when it's some
combination of you know, Mellow with Russ or Mellow with Paul.
Russ and Paul on the floor together has has been
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pretty good. And you know, I don't know what to
make of it when you have Russ on track for
a career low shooting percentage, Mellow on track for a
career low shooting percentage. These guys have been playing the
game a long time. Um, and then that's just not
a good look. No, no, it's not. The Houston Rockets
are averaging forty four three point attempts a game. Uh.
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For some perspective on that, that's ten more a game
than the Brooklyn Nets, who are second most in the league.
So shooting a ridiculous volume of threes. Chris Paul, of
course was hurt for the first part of the year.
Come has come back. Now, how is that relationship on court?
Relationship working out? Really good? Really really good. I mean
I was around them last week the Lakers Rockets game,
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and and I wrote something yesterday kind of breaking down
their situation. Um, it's not only really good, it's just
I think the mistake that a lot of us made,
myself included, is when we analyze how Chris was going
to fit in, we focus so much on the idea
of Chris and Paul on the floor together at the
same time, kind of glossing over the fact that Mike
and Toni, you know, arguably the best point guard coach
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in the hitting the game. When it comes to just
what he's gotten out of his point guards, and he's
been staggering them, it's not about, you know, having them
on the floor together thirty six minutes tonight. It's about
punishing opposing teams in their second units by as as
the Antoni puts it, having a Hall of Fame point
guard on the floor forty a minute to night. And
so what you've seen is that Chris has helped their
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defense get better, along with p J. Tucker and Luke
by Laba Boute and Clint Capella, Trevor Reason, those guys.
And he's been setting guys up as a playmaker and
it's just a ridiculous fashion. And we knew that's what
Chris did. But now because he's got other playmakers. I
mean I talked to him the other day. He talked about,
you know, laces out, so to speak, with how he
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sets up his shooters. You know, Ryan Anderson was shooting
se on three pointers that come from Chris Paul, which
is just you know, mind blowing. So Chris is checking
all those boxes. They're playing DSE, They're looking good. Um,
you know, I think they're gonna be right there with
the owners at the NT. That's the voice of Sam
Amick from USA Day covering the NBA's Doug Gotlip Show
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on Fox Sports Radio. Derrick Rose took this kind of
weird sabbatical where he didn't know if he wanted to
play anymore because his body kept letting him down. Meanwhile,
the Calves didn't really miss him. Um, they just they
just start kept winning games. I know, we apologized to
his teammates, but like, where are we here with this
Derrek Rose thing? It just seems like a story that
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kind of got brushed aside because of football season. There's
so much else going on in the NBA and Lebronze
incredible dominance as a player of the season statistically maybe
having his best season as a pro. Where are we
with this Derrick Rose thing? Um? You know, it's it's interesting.
I know that he revealed today that that he had
a little more going on in the ankle that we realized,
and uh, you know, I think I'm trying to remember
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who said this. Was a former player who had recently
made the point that, you know, Derek is lucky that
there's so many guys in that locker room who played
this game for such a long time. Um, you know,
I think it's like at least sixth season for most
of the guys on the roster, which is to say that,
you know, there's not as much concern um internally for
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a Derrick Rose type of situation causing a distraction because
these guys are all grown ups, they're all vets, have
been doing a long time. They can simultaneously be sympathetic
to Derek and be patient with him while playing at
a high level. And they've won twelve in a row,
they're killing it. So with Derek, the awkward obvious questions
going forward is just where does he fit in? And
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does he fit in? Because you know, we have seen
take out the melodramatics of it and you know everything
he's been going through. It's just we've seen that. You know,
they don't look like to eat them right now. And
I don't know how that ends because they also respect
him greatly as a player and as a person, and
I don't think they want his final chapter to be
you know, have this kind of a tone to it.
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So I don't know where it goes from here, but
it's kind of uncomfortable. And when I even talk about
Isaiah Thomas coming back, who you would think would would
take a bunch of a bunch of his minutes, So
just it, it's a weird. The whole thing is is
kind of uh, kind of bizarre. Quite next Tuesday. This
has been a long time waiting for quite letter to
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come back and play. Um. I mean, I would guess
they want to make sure he was completely and totally
healthy before we saw on the basketball floor. Yeah, I
think for sure. I mean it's a it's a weird injury.
You know, the quad and tendant apathy, you know, I
think is how you pronounce it. And it's just been strange.
I mean, the dispurs for one to keep things close
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to the vest, and so we didn't get updates as
often as we would from other teams, and uh, you know.
But but good on them for what they've been able
to do with him out. I mean that's I think
one of the more overlooked stories of the season is
LaMarcus Aldrids and the fact that he's definitely an All
Star this year. I think, no question he should be
back on that team. Um, and they are right there
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in the kind of position in the West where you
add I an MVP caliber player, so what they're already
doing and then you you kind of you monitor the
LaMarcus Cowaide dynamic again to see how they co exist.
But I mean, LaMarcus was getting crucified last year for
his inability to step up when I was out when
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they got beat by the Warriors, and so I don't
think it should be overlooked that he has carried them
for you know, large stretches of this season. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I've listened to
Cowherd show and he keeps talking about this Giants Cowboys
game like it's gonna be competitive, Like, oh, I'm just
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so in on this because a bunch of guys are
gonna be wearing Eli Jersey's. First. Of all, the idea
of grown men wearing another grown men, like another grown
man's jersey to a football game around a bunch of
other grown men is creepy. Creepy. I didn't say you
can't wear your Giants blue or own and kind of
an old school Joe Morris jersey or school ld T jersey,
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but the idea that you went out and like, I
here's honestly what I think is going on in New York.
I think everybody feels bad. I do because when Eli
was really good, they're like, hey, he's not his brother,
he's not his brother. And now when they realize that
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Eli is done, they're like, you know what. I I
didn't think he was great, but I respect him, and
that was getting disrespected. So I don't think a bunch
of han yo showing up in an Eli jersey and
most Giants fans own Odell Beckham Jr. Jersey's more than
Eli Jersey's. I don't think that changes the outcome of
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this game. The Cowboys are good, and the Cowboys are healthy,
and the Cowboys are still waiting on Ezekiel Elliott to
come back. The Giants are not. Absolutely not.
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live from the City of Angels, where
I do believe there are two home football games this weekend,
a couple of hoop games tonight at Staples and at
least one at least one potential future Major League Baseball
(00:25):
star has decided to call it home. Otani's coming, but
he's not coming to Los Doyers. He's coming to the Angels. Uh.
And we'll see if John Carlos Stanton chooses to come
back home to play for the Dodgers. We got Hot
Stove League News to talk about Hot Stove League. No
college football with extampons, with exception of Oregan deciding to
(00:49):
stick with Mario Cristo Ball, who of course came over
as their offensive coordinator. He was previously the head coach
at Florida. One of the Florida to Florida I think
Florida International. There's the order to the Nationals Florida Atlantic
for the International I believe is the one in Miami,
Florida Atlantics to one in for Lauderdale. Whatever. He did
a really good job there and lost his job with
(01:12):
a personality conflict, and now he's the head coach at Oregon.
Kind of a weird fit, but seems like it'll it'll
work with Jim Lovett Staying is their defensive coordinator. All Right,
we got a little college football to talk about, got
some MEMBA to talk about. The Lakers take down the
Philadelphia seventy six years. But let's start with last night's
Thursday night football game. It's interesting the thunder loss last
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night in Mexico City. You know the three things you
can count on when you go to Mexico? Right, Ramos,
do you know this? The water? Don't drink the water?
Something on fire? Three leg a dog kids telling cheek right,
Three three things that you can you can count on.
Three things you can count on Thursday night football. You
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wear what they are? I mean to excuse me? Three
things you can count on in life, death taxes. And
whoever loses Thursday night football complains about Thursday Night football. Right,
And look, there are rightful and reasonable concerns about Thursday
Night Football. I've pointed this out time and again, like
the games themselves not going away, not going away? Um,
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the NBA last night it was really easy to know
the Rockets were gonna win that game in UTUK they
had six days off. Right. The NBA has taken the
lead of like, hey, we're extending this season. We're gonna
be smart about it, and I would expect, uh, I
would expect that the NFL will at some point do
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the same because Thursday night football is not going away.
And the idea of having a bye before every Thursday
night football game sounds really really good. Doesn't that sound good?
That sounds good to you, Like that sounds delicious, That
sounds good. The problem with it is the execution of
it's hard because for Thursday Night football games, Thursday games,
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you already have the three games on Thanksgiving, you have
the initial Thursday night game, then you have the Saturday
games late in the year. Like it's a balancing x.
The idea of well, well don't you just have by,
you know, before every Thursday night game, and then you
know with it, it's good, It's good, right, It's like, okay,
well know, then then the Cowboys there's only one Thursday
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night games, So the Cowboys are only on Thursday night,
and whoever, then the Lions are only on Thursday on Thanksgiving.
Like you start, it starts getting really difficult. Ah. But
instead of complaining about Thursday night football, which, hey, man,
you sign up that deal when you're gonna sign a
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contract if you don't want to play on Thursday nights,
sign a contract says you don want to play on
Thursday nights instead of talking about that or Matt Ryan
sudden incompetence and ability to turn the football over. I mean, man,
three interceptions and you still win the game. You know
that felt like? That feels like remember Clayton Kershaw's first
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start this year in the playoffs when he gave up
four home runs and still got the win. Like, I
didn't really pitch well, but he got the win. That's
what it reminds me of. But to me, the biggest
play of the game was the last play of the game,
or essentially last play of the game. Tight answer receivers
right one receiver to the left, Ngram in the backbild
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with Breeze, snap to it, bree suits it and Zone intercepted.
Oh my goodness, Dion Jones made an amazing play. He
actually made a maybe an aspectacular play running down the
wide receiver on first down. The play right before. Deon
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Jones a freak athlete, I mean, wow, is he crazy athletic?
But that play is huge, huge, and by my estimation, uh,
I think it makes it virtually impossible to see a
path that the New Orleans Saints reached the Super Bowl.
That's how big a loss that was for the Saints.
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I know the Saints were down eight guys. I know
they're decimated by injury. You lose Kamara in the first quarter,
who's been as good at running back as there is
in football over the past five or six weeks. I mean,
you lose that, and that's automatically gonna set you back.
But on the road a chance to get to their
tenth win. Some of the Eagles have already done, the
Vikings have already done, the Rams are yet to do.
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This is the Saints team that's five and one at home.
Everyone knows they're built to play on the fast turf
and at home in New Orleans. The remaining schedule has
winnable games. Winnable games. Next week the Jets at home,
then the Falcons and home at the Buccaneers. So best
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case scenario, they have twelve wins. Twelve wins. On the
other hand, the Saints. Uh have already lost to the Vikings,
who would who could also have twelve or possibly thirteen wins.
They have already lost to the Rams, who would also
potentially have twelve wins, and they have not played the
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Philadelphia Eagles, but the Eagles are tenant to on the season,
and the Eagles finish up Rams at Giants, Raiders, Cowboys
at home. Now, the Cowboys game may be really important
or it may not. But if you're in New Orleans
and you look and you have three or four competitors,
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and I will grant it, I'll grant you. The Eagles
and the Rams played each other, so somebody is losing
an additional game this week. It's it's almost an impossibility,
even with their schedule being soft, that if they win
their last four games, they're gonna get home field advantage
throughout and they might not get home field advantage in
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the second round of the playoffs. And if that's the case,
the Saints aren't going to let alone winning the Super Bowl.
That's how big an interception was, and they were deep
in field goal range in the Dome, they were gonna
make the field goal worst case scenario, and for Drew
Brees and as good a career as Drew Brees has had.
That's a terrible look. He knew it, he knew how
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big it was. But look, we can make takeaways over
the coaching mishaps. Both coaches had some bizarre what is
dan Quinn declines a penalty on third down? What is
he doing? Then it becomes fourth in one, so it
extends the Saints drive, Like what what are you doing?
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And then of course, uh, Sean Payton gets a penalty
for trying to call a time out on the field, uh,
which ends up costing the Saints there las time out
because he's penalized. Neither team played particularly well. Both teams
were totally beat up. All of that considered, the only
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thing that really matters was the Saints were in field
goal range, seriously easily makeable field goal range, and Drew Brees,
their veteran, a future Hall of Famer, throws interception to
a past that he didn't even need to throw, and
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that interception was as big as, maybe not as big
as as the Chaisier injury, which still not good news
out of Philadelphia. Pittsburgh Steelers camp, be sure to catch
live editions of the Doug Gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network.
(08:53):
He also has his own podcast along with Bucky Brooks.
But he is a native San Diegan and he lives
in San Diego where there's the terrible fires from uh,
the San Fernando Valley and Ventura County which is north
and west of Los Angeles and now spread to San Diego. DJ.
Everybody safe at home? Yeah, everybody's safe. Like I appreciate
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you asking. It was about ten miles away from our
house where where one is what's going? But I think
they've got about contained and kids all school got canceled
and all that stuff. But so far, you know, from
our family standpoint, it's been okay. But man, praying for
all the other families out there, this has been it's
pretty be awful situation with all these fires. Yeah, it's uh.
And for people who don't understand, you're like, wait, why
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is this any worse? Remember last year historic rains in
southern California, and so with historic rains comes a historic
amount of brush and then like that, it just doesn't rain.
And though the fire season is normal. The fire danger
and how these fires spread and now they burn is
even greater because of all that brush. You simply can't
cut it all back. Um, let's get to let's start
(09:56):
with college football. We still don't know about Donald, we
still don't know about Rosen. We do know about Baker Mayfield.
Let me start with Baker Mayfield. Um I Trent Dilforst said, Hey, man,
I know you wanted to be Russell Wilson. But he
doesn't have big hands, doesn't have long arms. He does
have a big arm, and he does kind of have
a cock of the walk field to him. Others are
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Others are starting to buy in and think this guy
could be a first round selection. Is he a starting
quarterback in the NFL in your mind? Yeah? I think so.
I mean, look around the league and see what's playing
right now and see some of the guys are out there.
I mean, do I think he's gonna be a top
ten quarterback? No? I don't think that's rich. But I
think in a run heavy team that can work off
play action, give him a deep pocket where he can
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survey and see a little bit better, I think he's
very very welcome function as a starting quarterback, and I
think he'll he's gonna go higher than some people think.
There's just there's just more need at the positions. There
are quality players. He's gonna go. Yeah. But but you
like him. I do. I like him. I think you
can play. I think you gotta have a plan in place.
I think you want to be a run heavy team
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and work off the run game with deeper play action
for a shorter quarterback. That makes his life a little
easier to see. That's like, that's that's what they do
with Russell Wilson, right, Russell Wilson's drops I mean he
drops back so far that's perfect. The thing and the challenges.
You gotta be able to have a huge arm, and
I don't think he has Russell Wilson's arm, But I
think he does have a strong arm. It's plenty strong
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enough to be able to function in that type of system.
Um Rosen is kind of being a little bit coy
about whether or not he's coming out. Is there any
question whether or not he come out of the drive,
come out of the draft? Yeah, I mean, I look,
who knows, man, I've been shocked before. I mean, my
padres don't get the Japanese outfielder that your angel's got So,
I mean, I guess we could be surprised, but uh no,
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he's come on, he's coming out. I'll be shocked. Okay.
So look, everyone seems to say the same thing. Man,
he looks the part God, he looks apart. They're like,
would you taken down one over e E? I don't know.
Not a leader entitled, likes to party a little bit,
doesn't win, has been hurt. Um if if if you
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have it, I'm one pick in your Cleveland, do you
take him? Oh? Man? Uh? Can I Can I meet
with him first? I mean that would be my thing,
because I just want to you know, you hear you
get all the third person and accounts of what his
personalities like and um and what his football acumen is.
I would love to get a chance to meet with
Unfortunately in this gig, I do get a chance to
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talk with all these guys in the spring. Physical ability wise,
no question, he's worth the fur. He's worth a first
overall pick. But that other part of it's a pretty
big deal. And I think you have to wait until
you get in the room and to now and talk
with him and get a feel for him before you
would put your stamp on him. How big are the
concerns that people have, They're legitimate. I mean, I think
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you touched on one of it. I know people hate
it and say, oh, winning is not a quarterback stat,
but it is um you know, when you look at
historically and look at all these guys in the league.
I did a study on it last year. Of the
quarterbacks you know, didn't have wild success from a win
total standpoint. Of the starters in the NFL, the only
two that I could come up with where Jay Cutler
and Trevor Simeon. That was it. All these other guys
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win ten plus games you know in cows a yearly basis,
So there is something to that, and I think you
gotta be your homework and all that stuff. But the personality,
I mean, Bucky Bucky and my buddy Bucky Brooks said
it several times. He's probably eliminated a third of the
teams in the league with his personality that they just
won't they won't want to mess with him. But there's
still that still leaves a bunch of other teams out there.
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So I don't think he's gonna be for everybody, But
I don't think it's gonna be a situation where everybody's
worried about him either. He's somewhere in the middle. Sashi
Brown was fired yesterday, and by my estimation, he was fired.
It's it's kind of like the mac brown thing, right,
Like mc brown was was great and then the team
fell off. And though there were other reasons the team
fell off, you couldn't escape the fact that Andrew Luck
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grew up in Texas. All these quarterbacks, the jamis Winston's
that that they had a chance and that they passed
on um. I mean Johnny Manzel, he wanted to be
a defensive back and soltimately lost his job, which is
really what happened with Sashy Brown, right, it's he they
gotted the place, they got a bunch of picks, They
got some good young talent, uh, they got they had
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some good decent cap discipline as well. But you walk around,
you're like Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz passed on these guys
multiple times. You had an opportunity to solve the quarterback issue.
Isn't that essentially why he got fired? Yeah? I think so.
I think that's the number one reason with the quarterbacks
being out there. I mean, look, there's three reasons to me.
Number one, those quarterbacks they passed on have proven to
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be big time guys. Number Two, the win loss record
is what it is. It's so ugly and atrocious you
can't defend it. And number three, though, I think this
is the reason people don't talk about if you look
at and this probably goes even beyond him, the Brown's
biggest issues haven't been on the guys they've passed. It's
been on the guys they've picked. You know, so easy
to say. You can go around the league to any
team and say, well, they should have taken this guy.
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He's or than the guy they took. But if you
want to hit, if Corey Coleman had emerged as a
Pro Bowl receiver right now, if Danny Shelton wasn't was
an All Pro nose tackle, if all these other guys
that actually did pick or playing outstanding at other positions,
then you could say, Okay, we're on the right track.
We're getting a lot of good pieces in places. I
think that's why the Jaguars, you know, stayed with David Calblow.
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The winds weren't there. But you're like, man, we've we've got,
We're starting to stockpile a lot of studs and all
these other positions. Eventually it's gonna work out. That hasn't
been the case with Browns. Uh last night, I felt
like Drew Brees that last that last pick almost seals
the deal that it. It makes it really difficult to
see them as a super Bowl team. Not because Breeze
isn't good, not because when they get Kamara back they
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won't have a dynamic running game, but they have to
play in the Superdome in order to get to the
super Bowl, don't they? And do you lose that game
last night? A winnable game in spite of all their injuries,
and it makes it really hard to see a path
for them to get in home field advantage throughout. Yeah,
I've been you know, I've been on that train saying, hey,
if if it goes through Philadelphia, I'll take Philadelphia. If
(16:04):
it goes through New Orleans, I probably would. I probably
would be more of a toss up. But now it's like, dang,
the Vikings are just kind of hanging out over there.
We kind of forget about them. But yeah, I would
put if you're going to rank their chances to make
it all the way through the Super Bowl. Right now,
I would go Philly one, Minnesota too, and probably whoever
comes out of the the NFC, NFC South number three.
(16:25):
All right, let's let's get to the big matchup in
Los Angeles, Golf and wins. Everybody is falling all over
themselves about wins golf. Of course, people were so down
on last year and now even though he's getting praise,
a lot of that praises hey look surrounded by a
great cast of players, got a great play color, and
the way in which they way in which they operate
(16:46):
with the rams he gets at Lantis commissu early so
mcveacon still talk in his ear a little bit. Um.
How big is the separation your mind between wins and golf?
I think they're totally different, guys. I still think I
would have wins over golf. It. I think golf has
has been outstanding this year, and I think he doesn't
get the credit he deserves because those other factors in place,
(17:07):
no doubt, but he's executing um And to me, I
just think physical tool wise, I think Wentz has more
of that, just the size, the imposing ability to kind
of step out of tackles and make things happen. More
physical guy. But I think Golf is playing in a
very very efficient manner. And I think he's he's playing,
you know, good enough. He's not just good enough to win.
That's that's not you know, saying it correctly. He can
(17:29):
he can lead a football team. And I think you're
seeing more and more confidence in that. Look at how
much they're letting him throw Doug. They're not taking the
ball out of his hands, are putting it is in
his hands, and that tells you they got the right guy.
I I also thought that Monday night when shas Here
got hurt um. Look, there are there are several positions
to which the Steelers are just better than the Patriots.
(17:50):
And I know they played down to level of competition,
but at some point you just need guys. And they
have playmakers, a better running back, a better wide receiver. Uh,
you go through the cam Heywards of the world, you
go to to to T. J. Watt Like they have
guys that get after the quarterback, but you lose Shaysier.
Isn't that almost house of cards? Defensionally, don't that dramatically
change who the stealers are getting ready for? The playoffs. Yeah,
(18:14):
you know what. Look, it's it's it comes down to matchups.
And when I look at that Patriots game, what are
the Patriots love to do? They love to work through
the tight ends, They love to work through the running backs.
Shaves here, if not the most athletic, one of the
most athletic linebackers in the league. I mean he ran
the high fourth threes. So you take away somebody that
can run and cover, uh those backs and tight ends,
(18:35):
and you gotta you know, everybody says it's coming. It's
them in New England. That matchup is coming. That is
a huge loss for the Steelers. The Vikings are taken
on the Panthers. The Panthers have have shown that one
of these teams, You're like, wait, the record is what
On the other hand, of on the other hand, the
Vikings have had this dominant season, which I guess it's
because it's case Keenum. Nobody can nobody can buy in.
(18:57):
But their defense is unbelievable. Uh, they have two elite
wide receivers and Keenum is out there balling. Give me
your sense of Vikings Panthers. Well, I'm kind of whiskey
on the Panthers. You kind of you're kind of sitting
how the heck are they here? And even though I
think it's because Cam is so unconventional, you know, you
can just kind of he's just so unique and that
(19:19):
what's around him is almost kind of irrelevant. Times. He
can just take things over with his physical nature. I
still think Minnesota one to fifty three is a much
better football club than the Panthers. But you know, hey,
Cam Newton is is one of the few guys. He
does in a different way. But you can take a
football game over and that's why they're always in it.
I still that would lean more towards Minnesota. Chargers are
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now tied with the Kansas City Chiefs atop the a
f C West. You were high on the Chargers going
back way back, when so is I. Um, they didn't
actually play all that well and beat Cleveland last week
they got the Skins. Uh, last game of the year
feels like it's gonna be a barn burner with the
Raiders are also at six and six. Um, do you
expect the Kansas Chiefs to turn this thing around? Oh? Man,
(20:05):
it's been such a slide and and now I think defensively,
I just wonder what's going on this football team and
see some of the undisciplined stuff taking place. Sit down,
Marcus Peters. I don't know that. I just keep coming
back to the two things I believe in at the
NFL level, when you're trying to separate teams, I look
at d line play and I look at quarterback, and
the Chargers I think are are in great shape in
(20:26):
both of those spots, and I think that's why they're
gonna end up winning that division. Agree with you, Daniel Jeremiah.
Check out his podcast Downloaded. He and Bucky brooksly do
a great job. Plus see him on the NFL Network.
DJ Glad everybody's safe. Thoughts and uh teas and peas
to everybody in San Diego. Hopefully you guys, just everyone
you know is safe as well. Thanks for joining us.
Thankful lot, buddy. I don't I don't understand why why
(20:47):
you're not apologizing for taking Otani from us, though, I
don't understand why. I don't warrant that as a Padre fan,
I mean, it's brutal. Why would you go play for
the Padre? The pottery is a great place to watch
a game. They're not any good like the the Angels
were in the good last year, and they were pretty
good last year, didn't have Mike Chop for a third
of the season, have no pitching, and yet still nearly
made the playoffs. Padres, I just I kind of feel
(21:09):
like they got a little Cleveland Browns to him, except
they're not in Cleveland there in San Diego. Well, you've
got Trout. I mean he could have literally walked into
the building and been our best offensive player, defensive player,
in pitcher. I mean, that's kind of unique. It is
kind of unique. I just like you know, everybody, myself included,
we all got Dodger fever, and suddenly I've got a
little night quill and the Nike will for it is
(21:30):
uh is uh is Otani. Now now I got Angel.
There you go, There you go, all right, buddy DJ.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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And I was watching the Lakers and it was a
five game losing streak and beat the Sixers last night. Look,
(21:54):
there's a lot of there's a lot of discussion about
Lonzo Ball, and there are still some things A ton
of things to work on, and there are a bunch
of moments in the NBA game which you forget that
he's even on the floor. That's a weird thing for
a point guard in a guard dominated league, in a
league in which the rules are set up so that
your point guard can handle and overhandle the basketball, to
forget where a Lonzo ball is. It's just kind of weird.
(22:18):
But he is attacking more when he gets the ball
in transition instead of just throwing the ball up. He
did no time and score and went for two for
one there with twenty nine seconds to go. And when
he got the ball back, he knew that they were
in a tie game, and so while he could have
attacked with about nine seconds to go, he passed the
brandon Ingram, who promptly passed it back to him. That's
when he drove and kicked out to Ingram. Like, do
(22:39):
I want him to be uh that want him to
be more aggressive? Sure, don't want to be better at
shooting the basketball. Absolutely, don't want to be better defensively, yes,
but you're looking for signs of growth and considering the
fact that in in previous games he had always high
(23:00):
potato the ball in transition that was getting better, and
considering he knew time and scored in the last thirty
seconds of the game when so many other players do not,
I think I think those are wins. And yeah, by
the way, the team didn't did in fact win, rebounded well,
passed well, blocked a couple of shots. All that good.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
(23:20):
Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. There's
a way in which you can ingratiate people and make
them feel like they're part of the process, even if
you change nothing at all. It's the exact same thing
I talked about with how the Giants mismanaged the Eli
Manning situation. Look, they should have been at bench Eli Manning.
(23:41):
It was not the wrong decision, but it's the wrong
way to go about it. Let Eli Manning be the
one who comes out of like. Look, we sat down,
had some long talks, and I'm fully focused on the
future of this organization, and I decided or have been
McAdoo like, Look, we proposed it. We we allowed Eli
to decide how he wanted to get David's Webb in
the game and he said, why don't you just start Gino?
(24:04):
And you know it's complete different the same thing with
the Heisman Trust. Now they're gonna have former winners not
show up, like, oh, that's just ugly, just ugly. The
the one point that end. And look the if you're
Gary Biban, or you're Johnny Rodgers or your Gino Torretta,
or you're any of these other past winners, Tim Brown,
(24:27):
and you have a problem with it. I do think
this is a little bit like meeting with the president,
like going to the White House. I do think that yeah,
we will. Your voice will be heard loud and clear
by you not being there, but it would be heard
even more loudly, even more clearly if you were there,
(24:49):
you were in attendance. Because what happens is when you
those guys don't show up, it diminishes the current winner
Baker Mayfield likely current winner, and it tells people like
man In foreign players aren't even showing up like this
award towards stinks. I couldn't be the only one that
(25:09):
thinks this, right well, and of course they should. There
should be a way in which, uh, you have to
hire a two thousand, seventeen marketing firm. I don't think
that fans should have a huge percentage of the vote,
but fans should have a percentage of the vote. Again,
that's like, that's like the exact same thing fans should,
(25:30):
but they should feel like they're engaged. Hey, look, we're
gonna open up five of the total balloting will be
fan balloting. And you find a way to do it
to where people can't multiple register or whatever, or find
a way in which college football coaches can choose who
represents You can't vote for a kid in your own team,
pick who you think should represent your sport as the
(25:51):
greatest player in your sport in that given season. There's
a way to bring in more people, there's a way
to bring in more money, and there's also a way
to bring in these former winners. The first thing they're
doing wrong is they're not talking. When you don't talk,
that's when any relationship breaks down work relationship, business relationship,
or just a personal romantic relationship, a friendship. You don't talk.
(26:15):
And so the fact that the that the Heisman Trust
isn't talking to former former winners, well they're in itself
shows the breakdown. And then Heisman winners not showing up.
While their intentions are good. Their intentions are, hey, we're solidarity,
We're not showing up. We're not happy. That's a good intention.
But what ends up happening is our perception of it
(26:37):
is former Heisman winners aren't even showing up. If they
don't care, why should I care? That is slap in
the face of Baker Mayfield? Is that a slap in
the face at the award? The future of the award?
Even if they are right that the Heisman Trust needs
to evolve into two thousand seventeen, otherwise it will become
(26:57):
just an award. Fox Sports Radio the best sports talk
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Radio app. Let's bring in Sam Amy from USA Today.
He's a big baller, even if he doesn't wrap the brand.
He joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. What are
people in the NBA saying about about the LaVar pulling
(27:19):
lo Angelo from u c l A And LaMelo from
high school and now saying they're gonna play together overseas? Um,
you know, I think there's some some eye rolling going on.
Doug for sure, you know what I mean. For one,
LaMelo is is kind of you know, the younger one
is the one who has a higher ceiling conceivably in
terms of who's going to be as a player. But
(27:41):
you know, as you've seen, you know, there's been a
little bit of dose for reality when it comes to
the Angelo and and the wily held belief that this
is a guy that that wasn't on draft boards and
wasn't destined for the NBA anyway. So I think, you know,
we've got enough of a conversation talking about a Lonzo
and what kind of NBA player he gonna become. When
it comes to the other two brothers, you know, and
(28:01):
considering now the decisions being made in the context of
their basketball experience, I think, you know, it's definitely in
question kind of what what the other two were gonna
look like and where they're gonna wind up. Um. But
but it's largely irrelevant to the actual NBA community because
these guys are these are not you know, seen as
lottery picks down the road. We saw Alonzo last night.
(28:22):
I saw some growth in terms of his decision making,
understand time and score, and that fact he was attacking
in transition instead of always you know, kind of hot
potato in the ball. But but there, look the I
mean he's only shot above I believe one game, one
game as as a product thus far, the shooting is problem.
(28:43):
At the finishing his problem at the defense can be improved,
the body can be improved. We're if we're I don't know,
a third the way through the season or a quarter
of the way through the season. Uh, what's the general takeaway?
And Alonzo, I think some surprised. I mean, every rookie
is gonna struggle, and inconsistencies are going to be expected,
but I think generally surprised that he hasn't been more
(29:05):
dynamic and whether you want to focus on kind of
the lack of of you know, aggression at different times
and whether it's I mean, the guy has never been
a shooter, but he shot the battle a whole lot
better at U C. L A. And he did you know,
had so far with the Lakers. Um. You know, I
think people question confidence where his head is at and
and he's trying to work his way through what's been
a tough couple of months. I mean, last night, that's
(29:27):
a great moment for him. Late. You know, he missed
that three right before he found Brandon Ingram and and
that was ugly. And so that it's it's getta love
pro sports, right where like the narrative changes so quickly
because he looked like the goat one second and then
he drives, you know, on the right side and finds
Brandon And that's the kind of vision and you know
the way he attacks the floor and opens things up
(29:48):
for other guys, that's what you saw. But you know,
I think people are still intrigued, you know, beyond belief
and think he could be very good. But he has
not been good on most nights. SA make joining us
in the Doug Gallup Show here on the Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I know the thunder didn't have Paul George. I know
that altitude got them. I understand all that. And they
(30:10):
took on a team that's gonna shoot as many threes
as anybody in the NBA. The Brooklyn Net shot thirty
seven three pointers last night. But they lost that game, right,
I mean, and after jumping out, it wasn't they weren't
ready to play their team point leader in the first quarter,
ready to play, and and Carmelo and Russell Westbrook were bad.
(30:30):
They just were not good. Um, what's the temperature in
the room in Oklahoma City now that we're what twenty
four games in and their two games blow five. Um,
it's it's again we talked about inconsistencies. I mean it's
it's up and down. You know, they had a really
good three game stretch leading into that Brooklyn game. I
guarantee you you know that Sam Presty and Billy Donovan,
(30:50):
those guys, they were hoping to keep it going. You know,
they had a win over the Spurs, granted without LaMarcus Aldridge. Uh,
they slowed down a Utah team that have been winning
a lot of games, and they beat Minnesota, you know,
which had beat them twice earlier in the year. And
if you broke down those three wins, I got better
in a lot of ways that had they've been struggling
and specifically clutched time and uh, you know, their net
(31:13):
rating just went through the roof. And so for three
games things look pretty good. Um, with some qualifiers, and
this Brooklyn game was a tough one. I mean that's
just it's a it's a team that is better than
we thought they were going to be. The nets but
they're still Brooklyn, They're still certainly on the lower half
of the league. And uh, and I think the bigger
takeaway from me is that with Paul out, as we
(31:34):
try to hone in on what's going wrong here, I
do think it's it's really starting to be safe to
say that, you know, Carmelo is having a tough time
finding a way to fit in and and they are
at their worst a lot of times when it's some
combination of you know, Mellow with Russ or Mellow with Paul.
Russ and Paul on the floor together has has been
(31:55):
pretty good. And you know, I don't know what to
make of it when you have Russ on track for
a career low shooting percentage, Mellow on track for a
career low shooting percentage. These guys have been playing the
game a long time. Um, and then that's just not
a good look. No, no, it's not. The Houston Rockets
are averaging forty four three point attempts a game. Uh.
(32:17):
For some perspective on that, that's ten more a game
than the Brooklyn Nets, who are second most in the league.
So shooting a ridiculous volume of threes. Chris Paul, of
course was hurt for the first part of the year.
Come has come back. Now, how is that relationship on court?
Relationship working out? Really good? Really really good. I mean
I was around them last week the Lakers Rockets game,
(32:39):
and and I wrote something yesterday kind of breaking down
their situation. Um, it's not only really good, it's just
I think the mistake that a lot of us made,
myself included, is when we analyze how Chris was going
to fit in, we focus so much on the idea
of Chris and Paul on the floor together at the
same time, kind of glossing over the fact that Mike
and Toni, you know, arguably the best point guard coach
(33:01):
in the hitting the game. When it comes to just
what he's gotten out of his point guards, and he's
been staggering them, it's not about, you know, having them
on the floor together thirty six minutes tonight. It's about
punishing opposing teams in their second units by as as
the Antoni puts it, having a Hall of Fame point
guard on the floor forty a minute to night. And
so what you've seen is that Chris has helped their
(33:24):
defense get better, along with p J. Tucker and Luke
by Laba Boute and Clint Capella, Trevor Reason, those guys.
And he's been setting guys up as a playmaker and
it's just a ridiculous fashion. And we knew that's what
Chris did. But now because he's got other playmakers. I
mean I talked to him the other day. He talked about,
you know, laces out, so to speak, with how he
(33:45):
sets up his shooters. You know, Ryan Anderson was shooting
se on three pointers that come from Chris Paul, which
is just you know, mind blowing. So Chris is checking
all those boxes. They're playing DSE, They're looking good. Um,
you know, I think they're gonna be right there with
the owners at the NT. That's the voice of Sam
Amick from USA Day covering the NBA's Doug Gotlip Show
(34:05):
on Fox Sports Radio. Derrick Rose took this kind of
weird sabbatical where he didn't know if he wanted to
play anymore because his body kept letting him down. Meanwhile,
the Calves didn't really miss him. Um, they just they
just start kept winning games. I know, we apologized to
his teammates, but like, where are we here with this
Derrek Rose thing? It just seems like a story that
(34:27):
kind of got brushed aside because of football season. There's
so much else going on in the NBA and Lebronze
incredible dominance as a player of the season statistically maybe
having his best season as a pro. Where are we
with this Derrick Rose thing? Um? You know, it's it's interesting.
I know that he revealed today that that he had
a little more going on in the ankle that we realized,
and uh, you know, I think I'm trying to remember
(34:49):
who said this. Was a former player who had recently
made the point that, you know, Derek is lucky that
there's so many guys in that locker room who played
this game for such a long time. Um, you know,
I think it's like at least sixth season for most
of the guys on the roster, which is to say that,
you know, there's not as much concern um internally for
(35:09):
a Derrick Rose type of situation causing a distraction because
these guys are all grown ups, they're all vets, have
been doing a long time. They can simultaneously be sympathetic
to Derek and be patient with him while playing at
a high level. And they've won twelve in a row,
they're killing it. So with Derek, the awkward obvious questions
going forward is just where does he fit in? And
(35:32):
does he fit in? Because you know, we have seen
take out the melodramatics of it and you know everything
he's been going through. It's just we've seen that. You know,
they don't look like to eat them right now. And
I don't know how that ends because they also respect
him greatly as a player and as a person, and
I don't think they want his final chapter to be
you know, have this kind of a tone to it.
(35:53):
So I don't know where it goes from here, but
it's kind of uncomfortable. And when I even talk about
Isaiah Thomas coming back, who you would think would would
take a bunch of a bunch of his minutes, So
just it, it's a weird. The whole thing is is
kind of uh, kind of bizarre. Quite next Tuesday. This
has been a long time waiting for quite letter to
(36:13):
come back and play. Um. I mean, I would guess
they want to make sure he was completely and totally
healthy before we saw on the basketball floor. Yeah, I
think for sure. I mean it's a it's a weird injury.
You know, the quad and tendant apathy, you know, I
think is how you pronounce it. And it's just been strange.
I mean, the dispurs for one to keep things close
(36:35):
to the vest, and so we didn't get updates as
often as we would from other teams, and uh, you know.
But but good on them for what they've been able
to do with him out. I mean that's I think
one of the more overlooked stories of the season is
LaMarcus Aldrids and the fact that he's definitely an All
Star this year. I think, no question he should be
back on that team. Um, and they are right there
(36:57):
in the kind of position in the West where you
add I an MVP caliber player, so what they're already
doing and then you you kind of you monitor the
LaMarcus Cowaide dynamic again to see how they co exist.
But I mean, LaMarcus was getting crucified last year for
his inability to step up when I was out when
(37:17):
they got beat by the Warriors, and so I don't
think it should be overlooked that he has carried them
for you know, large stretches of this season. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I've listened to
Cowherd show and he keeps talking about this Giants Cowboys
game like it's gonna be competitive, Like, oh, I'm just
(37:37):
so in on this because a bunch of guys are
gonna be wearing Eli Jersey's. First. Of all, the idea
of grown men wearing another grown men, like another grown
man's jersey to a football game around a bunch of
other grown men is creepy. Creepy. I didn't say you
can't wear your Giants blue or own and kind of
an old school Joe Morris jersey or school ld T jersey,
(38:01):
but the idea that you went out and like, I
here's honestly what I think is going on in New York.
I think everybody feels bad. I do because when Eli
was really good, they're like, hey, he's not his brother,
he's not his brother. And now when they realize that
(38:22):
Eli is done, they're like, you know what. I I
didn't think he was great, but I respect him, and
that was getting disrespected. So I don't think a bunch
of han yo showing up in an Eli jersey and
most Giants fans own Odell Beckham Jr. Jersey's more than
Eli Jersey's. I don't think that changes the outcome of
(38:42):
this game. The Cowboys are good, and the Cowboys are healthy,
and the Cowboys are still waiting on Ezekiel Elliott to
come back. The Giants are not. Absolutely not.
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