July 25, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew discuss the reaction to the passing of Hulk Hogan. Doug welcomes former Bucs General Manager Mark Dominik onto the show for his weekly visit to go over all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of I Got Dibbs.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Sports Radio. How you doing, Welcome in Hope. You're having
a great day. That's it that it feels like a
smattering of applause. My goodness that we did. There we go,
There we go.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I didn't. Band's been filling in for other shows. Jay
Stewo's been pouting because the Dodgers are losing, so we
haven't had the full crew together. And you know, I
don't usually like to do this, just because the one
thing we do a great job of, and when I
say we, I mean Jason Stewart does, because he's the
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one who keeps us on topic, on task, is looking forward.
You know. It's like, you know, you go too far
behind in the past. It's like what are we what
are we doing here? Right? But but I do think
yesterday and now we're like twenty four hours into this
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into our reaction to the death of Hulk Hogan, that
it's still worthy of discussion because we haven't been together.
That's the big thing. We haven't been together. So I look,
there have been people that are critical of my comments.
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There are people that are critical of others who have
gone completely the other way and act like, you know,
some some incredible icon has passed away, right, And look,
my thing is, I've never really been a wrestling guy.
And once I heard the tape that what wholk Hogan,
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I don't even know his real name whatever, Terry Terry
with a V or B with Terry Belea, you drop
n bomb with a hard R. Several times admit to
be like, I'm just that doesn't exist in my world.
Those aren't people that I will ever associate with or
think of on an unfriendly terms. Sorry, And I'm sure
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there are people that I know that, or I'm not sure.
I'm guessing there there are a person or two that
I know that may say that I just haven't heard it.
Once I hear it, I'm like, I'm good here. So no,
I didn't spend time thinking about it. I'm not super bummed,
but on the other hand, I do understand the spectacle
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in the eighties and nineties that was Hulk Hogan. But
you know, there's lots of things we did in the
eighties and nineties that we don't do now, or we're
not into now, or we realize it's bad for us.
Jayce Do. I thought you had great perspective when we
discussed this, right, because my thing has been I think
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that people and this is I know we joked about, hey,
when Malcolm Jamal Warner died, you know, whoever dies next,
it's gonna be death in threes and it has it
has been, right Ozzie him and Hulk Hogan. But I
also think that, like, look, what's fascinating to me is
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the eighties come to kind of like real life, like
what we saw in the eighties on TV Cosby Show,
what we learned about Bill Cosby since oh yeah, by
the way, that show really not funny. On the other hand,
you can't deny what a breakthrough it was in network
TV at that time slot and what was big then
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is not now and it is so different. Then you
go to Ozzy Osbourne, who you know was was basically
seen as a devil worshiper, at least by my parents
when I was a kid, and you know later on
in life. They were kind of the first American or
non American, but first rock family to let us into
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their home with the Osbourne's, And I thought Ozzy became
a very likable, likable person if you watch that show.
And then Hulk Hogan went from kind of an American
icon too exposed to being something completely different in his
personal life, and he had a reality show as well.
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But I thought that that people who kind of mourned yesterday,
they were more mourning the loss of their childhood. I thought, man,
remember when wrestling was super fun. Now it's like I
got to keep up with the script. I don't know,
you know now it now it really now we always
I always knew it was fake, but it had that
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maybe some of this is real to where now it's
just a TV show. But Jay Stu, you had a
different perspective and I thought it was great and I'd
give you the Florida share it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean I think that I understand. I understand both.
I heard what you had to say, and I've seen
others that were quick to criticize or how about this
not as uh not as celebratory and embracing of of Hulk,
And then I understand why there was such a massive
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reaction to it. Part of it is what you said.
I think part of it is like losing the childhood.
But like Sam just said on the air, his real name,
and I just found this out today as I was
googling it. Terry Bolea is a very flawed individual, bordering
on like a despicable individual. And I blame the entire
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business model of wrestling. As I was growing up through
the eighties, I didn't watch it. I have never caught on,
so I come at it from that perspective. But it
always seemed like an entity that always functioned with a
kind of a wink and a knot, like you know,
smart people know this is fake, But for all the
other people that don't know it's fake, let's not tell them.
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And we're gonna have this massive fan base of people
that don't know if it's fake or not, and that'll
just create this amazing entertainment. And then you have the
biggest entity, Hulk Hogan in that. So you have this
entire generation of people that are just like Hulk Hogan.
He's my hero.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Whole.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Hogan the ultimate heel. He's iconic Hulk Hogan. So I
think all of the celebration yesterday in his passing was
celebrating Hulk. But I think you can and should make
the differentiation between Terry Bolea and Hulk Hogan. And that
Terry guy is disturbing. And why do we know that
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Doug because of a lawsuit when he sued that website
for the sex tape. All this discovery came and those
the N word and all that stuff came with it,
and then we find out all these less than nice
things about the guy. And if you watch the Vince
McMahon documentary that I just did, he did a lot
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of things business wise that were not up to par.
So it's like that guy that was not the character
isn't that great. But I thought that's wrestling's fault for
doing this to us. They've confused us between the character
and the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I thought that the one of the parts that you
brought up when we were discussing this, which is I
thought brilliant, is when you once you go rest professional wrestler,
you can never come out of character. Think about that
for a second. You can never come out of character
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like that would be as if Gene Simmons could would
always have to walk around with makeup on Okay, that
would you know? Pick your favorite actor, even the guys
that are like method acting, you know, and I've heard
some of these stories of a guy but he's a
method actor. It's annoying. You go to get coffee and
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he answers you as you know, he talks to you
as the character he's in the film. Yeah, but once
the film is shot and edited, the method acting ends.
And not in pro wrestling, right, Like Dwayne Johnson's been
able to do a little bit of it, but he's
still the rock. He still has to carry on some
of that kind of persona. And yeah, it's one of
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those things where you once you take on this caricature
and this character, that's who you have to become. So
we don't No one knows who Terry Pagoula Pagoula actually
is Terry b Terry Pagola owns the bills, right, does
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he owned the bills? I think he owns the bills? Dan,
how about you were you were you a pro wrestling
guy growing up in Wisconsin?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, I liked I liked wrestling and I liked hull Cogan,
and that's where I thought all of it was about yesterday.
I don't disagree with some of the things that you said, Doug,
you're not being a wrestling fan. I think it's when
you were a kid, or even now, which I am
not now, but I was when I was a kid.
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I think that it's it is different for those that were.
I felt like yesterday was about about our childhood and
about nostalgia. I was talking last night with Mike Harmon
about this because obviously it wasn't on your show yesterday,
and I felt like it was the same thing with
Malcolm Jamal Warner, like I know Bill Cosby was. We
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completely looked different on him back in the day. But
I think we all related to theo because we were
somewhat around that age, and I think that hit home Ozzy.
The same thing with the music in Hulkgan. As you
look at the eighties, it was always about big, enormous superstars,
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whether it be in music, whether it be in acting.
It was the bigger, the better, and there was nothing
bigger than hul Cogan. And so I felt with all
of us as coming from that era, that lived in
that era, that's what yesterday was about. I could be
wrong in that we're going to look at Hulkgan the
rest of the way now until eternity, in however fashion,
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you're going to look at him. But I just felt
in that twenty four hour period, it was about us
looking back on our childhood and remembering the excitement and
all the fun that you had, and watching wrestling and
watching him of the ring and do his thing in
the ring. That's what I thought yesterday was about.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I I again to be fully transparent. Okay, One, no,
I never I didn't like wrestling. I wasn't a wrestling guy.
I did watch it, Okay, I did watch it. But
the two there's a couple of main reasons why I
wasn't really a wrestling guy. One, not only was it fake,
but I had my I was like a constant argument
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with my dad, was like, Dad, that's fake. No, it's not,
yes it is. It's like it was an insane argument
to have. By the way, It's a lot like some
of the arguments people are having now. It's like the
did you guys see the video of Trump yesterday with
the head of the Fed. It's like, look as three
point one billion they're like, that's a building that was
built five years ago. Like what just when you're having
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arguments with people that it doesn't matter what you say,
they're just it it like it does no traumatic truth
actually matters. It makes for an awkward conversation. So that's
part of it. And then I was also a little brother.
Remember so the role of the little brother and I
because I was the little brother, I was also basically
the little brother for all of my brother's friends. So
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you know, whatever Jimmy supervised Snooka did somebody did to me, right,
that was and and these are moves that every big
brother did on a little brother, or buddies did on
each other, and they should not have during that time period.
So there's a reason that I have a bit of resistance.
And then again it's just like one of those I
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just ever never kind of got into the storylines or whatever.
But it is crazy that we created this bigger than
life figure like Hulk Hogan during his prime. Remember they
he'd get hit by a chair and they they'd have
a truck come out and run him over, and they
about to pin him and they'd hold up his hand
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and it would fall down and they'd hold up his
hand and it would fall down and they'd hold up
his hand and all of a sudden then they'd be
made into a fifth to a number one, and he
was and and Hulk was back like it was. It was.
It was so over the top to me that I
was like, oh, why are we watching this? And yet
everyone I know was into it. They were all into it.
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But it is interesting on how when somebody dies, like
we we choose, you know, it's like we're gonna would
choose to either remember fondly the image and achievements, or
we're gonna remember the whole picture, and some will be
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hyper focused on the negative. I try and be in
the middle on all these things.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yes, Sammy, So Hulk Hogan died. He died suddenly, like
this was, you know, not expected. He passed away. That's
not necessarily true, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, well okay, I mean the rumors and stuff, and
people have talked about how they found out he wasn't
in good health.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Okay, so he wasn't good. But I think this was
a shock to most people, right, would that be fair
to say, yeah, yeah, he just passed away, Oh, Hulk
Cogan is said, So I think when we talk about
people like if Hulk Hogan was terminally ill and we
had six weeks to have two months to be ready
to say goodbye to him, then I think people would
discuss all the good in the bad when someone dies
kind of like out of the blue. I think people
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tend to look at the positives first. It's almost like
you go to someone's funeral, you're gonna eulogize him. You're
not gonna get up there and say awful stuff about them.
You might say that stuff between friends after the fact,
but I think a lot of people will tend to
look at the positive things first and then the negative
things after. I think, Doug, maybe people were a little
resistant to you yesterday just going right at like the
bad stuff he did in his life, or as you know,
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as Terry Bulea. So I think that it's it's sort
of a timing thing. Like if we had all the
time to kind of eulogize and look at his life
and he was a slow descent towards death, that's something else.
But he was just gone all of a sudden, Oh
my gosh. We have to look back at Hulk Hogan's life,
you know, all at once in one show.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I agree with that, just like this assumed grace period.
I remember after Pete Rose passed there was a sentiment
from the media that was like, yeah, sure he had
a lot of flaws, but today isn't the day to
bring those up. And it's like, I don't know why
that's the rule.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I don't either.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I don't tell you why, because I thought of Pete
Rose as well. Pete Rose lived his life off off
of him betting on base like that. There was for
how many years, thirty five years of his life. I
feel like it was all about the betting baseball sort
of deal, the autograph signings, all of that stuff, like
it became him. I don't think that this took over
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Hulk Hogan's life. I think they try to run from it.
We're finding out stuff like after the fact. But I
think that's why we look at it differently.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, I Steinbrender to me was the one that jumps out. Obviously,
Pete Rose happened most. I was working at ESPN Radio
at the time when Steinbritder died and there were all
these people like eulogizing Steinbrunner, and I was just again,
it was the day he died and I just said, like,
what are we doing, Like, here's the guy who spread
lies about Dave Winfield. Hey, and you know that trying
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to destroy a guy trying to destroy Dave Winfield. That's
what because you know, because what was because he was
he was injured when he signed with the with the
Yankees or whatever, like whatever your logic behind it was,
that's what George Seinberg got suspended for. And it was like, well,
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you know they won four World Series. Yeah, but that
was after like fifteen years of the same thing over
and over again and hiring and firing, you know, the
same manager over and over again. It was a circus.
And you know, just because the baseball department, you know,
was smart enough to draft Derek Cheater and to develop
Mario Rivera and the players. And the other part was
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it's like they kind of represented this aeroid era as well,
you know, not Jeet or not Mo, but Roger Clemens
and others. So I just thought it's a time. You
never get a chance to circle back two weeks later
and go like, hey, by the way, Hulk Hogan blatant racist,
dropped hard r N bombs, you know, like we're not
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circling back to talk about Hulk Hogan after the day
he died. So I understand there's supposed to be some
grace period and we're only supposed to say nice things
and we're supposed to remember them finally, just like you know,
Kobe Bryant only remembered fondly. Now again, I think Kobe
Bryant's complex. I thought Kobe Bryant really ended his when
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his life ended. Unfortunately, it was when he had really
matured and become way more thoughtful, way more likable. So
you know, that stuff was sort of buried, but it was.
It was part of the entire story. And I just
think when you die, it's part of the entire story.
And part of the whole Colgan story is we had
this he was Captain America. That's who he was. He
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was Captain America. And then we find out like, yeah,
he he said did some things that are terrible. There
is one other part to hold Coga which should be mentioned.
You know, he was like early on when he became champion,
he was like in his mid thirties, and you know
he was he was bald then, and it's one of
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those if you're gonna go bald, you are almost better
going bald in your thirties, because then he was seventy one.
And yeah, I mean some of the close ups he
didn't look great, but he definitely didn't look seventy one.
And a lot of it is he went bald. If
you're gonna go gray, go gray early. If you're gonna
go bald, go bald early. Just again.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You know, Oh man, what that was just quite the
left turn.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It was a left turn. But it's true. It's true.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I thought he balded gracefully. To be honest, I thought
it worked for him. Yeah. He was just tan and
swollen his whole life. Like we're just like you could
be fifty, you could be seventy.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't, right, but I'm telling you had he had
like a full head of hair when he started and
then had the look that he had. You know, at
the end, it would have been like, man, ho Colgan's
looking older. But you have no idea how old. No
one had any idea how OLDI it was, you know,
because he was already bald when he became a star.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He kept the peroxide industry in business for his entire life.
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Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Our good
friend Mark Dominic stops by. As it is that time
of year, players are at camp and we're starting to
get a good sense of what teams look like, and
I'm just wondering, Mark, you know you have there's there's
not a litany of them this year, but there's enough.
He got some of these hold ins, a couple of
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whole we need the general manager and you have these
things going on. How do the coaches proceed in terms
of making their plans in place? I asked that because
it's like most of us feel like eventually these deals
are going to get done anyway, but if the guy's
not at practice, there's going to be some catching up
to do. How does that all work when you have
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a guy holding in or especially a guy holding out?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean a lot of times, you know, it's
obviously communication as the GM with your coaching staff. What's
going on specific your head coach of where the negotiations
sit and how long do we think this is going
to be? So that way we can make sure we're
getting the reps to the right people in the right spots,
or our swing tackle now is to just focus on
left tackle or right tackle. Or you know, maybe we've
got an outside linebacker who you know can play both
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left and right, but now he's going to just focus
on being on the right side. So those are the
things we're talking through. But it's constant communication with your
head coach. It's also a constant communication with ownership. Where
does this stand? What's the hold up? And what are
we fighting for versus what are they fighting for and why?
And so all those things come together, and you know,
you try to create it to be the least amount
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of the strategy can be. And so as you handle
it within the media, as you handle it internally, you know,
you don't stress about it, you don't worry about it.
You just keep moving and you try to tell the
young guys, here's a great opportunity for you to get
reps that maybe you wouldn't get before. And you know,
let's take advantage of that while we get them.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, let's let's get to a couple other kind of
issues going on right now. Let's start with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. Right where you have you have a rookie
who's who is four hundred and fifty pounds, four hundred
and fifty pounds. Obviously right now he's he's got he's
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on the injury list due to non football issues. But
here's one. How do you handle that if you're the
GM of the Buccaneers back in your old job.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Yeah, well that's a unique one, right, and you know
what kind of temperature and what you're going to be
playing in, right, I mean, that's that's the thing that
for Tampa. You know, basically they do most of their
work on the field, right. Sure they'll do some work
off the field and their dome, but usually that's more
of the walkthrough just to keep out of the heat.
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But what they like to do is make sure that
they're taking advantage of the heat that they're in. So
that way, when teams come to town and play them
in September and October, what's still hot, that they're conditioned
for it. So you've got to kind of think about
that when you're putting your team together. As talented as
the guy is, you know you're going to put him
through a lot of pain. This way with the you
know the weight that you're going to have to deal with,
and I think that's probably what's going on. And you know,
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that's something that they had to decide with Desen Watson.
Did it make sense right the Florida defensive tackle? Does
it make sense to sign him? And if so, what
kind of shit can we get him into? And clearly
he's on the non football injury list, and so, you know,
I think it's just one of those things where he's
still got to get himself in the right type of
shape to be able to handle the floor, to heat.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah well, or or just to handle life like that's
a he's a big man, but that's that's just too
much weight, just too much weight. What should our expectations
be of Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I think they should be good. I think this is
you know, still I still believe in Aaron Rodgers that
he's got another season with him that's going to be
better than what I think most people think, just because
it's been so frustrated in the last two years. I
think that, you know, the one thing that's a little
concerning for them is, uh, you know, obviously, Robert Woods
is a veteran who's you know, really up there now
in terms of age, but good for him that he's around.
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I think it's a big piece of them as really
is Roman Wilson come back and kind of fly into
that you know, where Calvinos was a slot, can Roman
Wilson kind of fit into this mold and be the
player they drafted a third round two years ago. They
didn't get to see him last year basically, so that's
a big piece of it. I like the offensive line.
I think they're going to be okay there, but you know,
the tight end position. Johnny Smith's obviously came into his
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own the last couple of years and really he's got
a lot of balls that's going to give him a
lot of work with Pat Firemuth and then big Darnell Washington,
so they've got pieces all around them. I think defensively
they're going to stay in every game because I think
they're so good on that side of the ball. But offensively,
I think with an Aaron Rodgers, you're going to see
a guy that's got a lot of confidence back there,
and you know, I think that you're going to see
a lot of deep balls to dk Metcalf and using
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his size and strength to be able to you know,
bust things open and then again using Austen and I
think Roman Wilson has really the guys that are working
the middle of the field and working, you know, the
linebackers in that slot position.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't think anyone can argue that from general manager
to head coach to coaching staff, Lions did a great job.
But what the real challenge is when you start to
lose coordinators, right, and they've lost a lot. They've lost coordinators,
so they've also lost coaches and they've lost some players.
On the other hand, some of those pieces are still
there in terms of the players. What are your expectations
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the Detroit Lions this season.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Yeah, I think probably were a lot of people left
off that it's hard to kind of sit there and
look at them and go, boy, I think that they're
really going to take a step back at all. I mean,
you know, with the fact of if they would have
if they would have had a leaning meal down the stretch,
if they'd have certainly had Aiden Hutchinson down the stretch,
could have this whole season been even more special. Yes,
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So I think that's kind of the The interesting part
is that you know, hopefully this team can get through
this training camp and stay healthy, because I think that's
really going to be the big piece that is for everybody.
I don't mean to be generalization there, but it really
is critical when you see team like there's a special
star players to get through training camp and kind of
get to week one and be healthy. Because I think
the expectations are at the right spot. You know, I
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think that they're certainly contenders for the Super Bowl. Uh
you know, I like Tate Redlers, their second round pick,
who they brought in there to kind of really you know,
he'll be able to step in even you know, when
the unexpected retirement for them maybe somewhat, so they had
the right picks at the right spot. I like this
team a lot. I think it's hard for anybody to
look at them and go I think they overachieved last year.
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I think they were who they were were and you know,
they were actually I think achieved even better considering the
amount of injuries they went through. I think they're the
team to be in the NFC North. Where's Chicago. I
want to see a couple of games to say, but
I think the Packers are right on their heels.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, let's talk about the Packers. You know, what, what
do you really think of Jordan Love? Like last year
it was like, ah, he had some good games and
he was better than we thought coming into last season
I'm talking about and then some of the good was
very good, but there was a high turnover clip there.
Maybe not in comparison to the Farve days, but obviously
football has played a much more efficient throwing the football.
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Now what your if you were going to give a
breakdown of Jordan Love, now you have a couple of
full bodies of work, what would it be.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Yeah, I think it's it's actually really good. And I
think what happened towards the end of the season. You know,
the Chicago game wasn't anything to write home about, but
when you went from about halfway through the season to
the end of season, I think he threw one or
two interceptions the entire time. So I mean I think
as the season went on, I think he was like
ten and one the second half of the season with
touchdown interception ratio and his yards per tempt were, you know,
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averaging close to nine yards for templary. He took all
those games combined as well, So I think there was
some really good stuff happening during the season towards the
end that said, hey, Jordan Loves, you know, kind of
found his game. I know early on against especially in Minnesotah,
had the three interception performance. But I like it, you know,
I like Matthew Golden. I think that's going to really
even make the offensive weapons more exciting. And I also
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think that he's got more options with Luke Musgrave being
back and then hopefully being a full part of this
offense as well. They didn't have him last year really,
and so when you think about adding to Golden, adding
the Luke Musgrave and then taking Jordan Love where he
is with that offensive line where it's set, I don't
see a reason to not believe in Jordan Love. I
think what we're seeing is what we're getting. And I'm
a buyer. I'm a guy that wasn't sure what he
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was going to be. But for two years now, once
he's got over fifty fifty touchdowns and something like twenty interceptions,
that's I mean, that's that's a that's a really nice combination.
And he's thrown again last year just twenty five, but
he's thrown for over thirty touchdowns of the season, which
is a huge barometer for quarterback success to me in
this league in terms of long term success.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Uh uh what what? How do you think Russell Wilson
does in New York?
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I just that one. I'm not sold on. You know,
it's not because it's Russell Wilson. It's just I still
look at that offensive line and I still scratch my
head saying, I just don't know if that line is
going to be good enough. I think they're a good
team that can be strong at the line of scrimmage,
but they're certainly not doing a great job of protecting
the quarterback in my opinion, and I don't I don't
(28:45):
see the difference here. I still see problems in that
offensive line in terms of pass protection, and I think
that spells trouble for for Russell and in a division
where you know, to me, they're the fourth place team
already trying to find a way to get victories and
it's going to be hard to beat the Cowboys and
the certainly the Commanders and obviously the Eagles and let
on the other games. I mean, it just feels like
(29:06):
there's a lot of upshill grinds here. I don't feel
as optimistic about the impact Russell Will having the Giants,
as I do feel like, you know again, I think
Aaron Rodgers helps the Steelers maintain that you know, nine
and eight, ten and seven. But I still think that
the Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steels aren't better than the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Who's the sneaky team, the team that is going to
sneak out, Let's sneak up on us, and when we
get to November December, we're going to start kicking ourselves
for not having discussed them more.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
I think the sneaky team is the Aribon the Cardinals.
I think that they're better than people realize. I think
that there was some really good stuff we saw last year,
but I think they've improved at linebacker, and I think
that's a big piece of it. I think that's a
spot where I feel like that's just a better team.
Paris Johnson the tackles, really taking big strides in steps
and what he's done. I think Kyler Murray and all
the quote unquote does he love football has kind of
(29:57):
been thrown out the window, and it's kind of like, Okay,
Tyler's all in, and so I think that's a team
because I think that Cherld Junior is still going to have,
you know, a lot more impact than he had even
his rookie year. So I think the Arizona Cardinals are
the sneaky team in the nation football if I'm allowed
to pick them.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, Ganna gets a job
and his opening press conference and some of the video
stuff not great. But you could say the exact same
thing in Philadelphia right where, you know, when when he
got the job. And again I don't love the bravado
and act or whatever, but I mean it's been a
one eighty from when we first you know, when we
(30:32):
first saw now the defending Super Bowl champion coach kind
of take the podium and you know, there's Yeah, I
think I'm with you. I think they're they're They're not terrible.
They're actually pretty darn good and kind of going under
the radar. Okay, I'm trying to figure out with the
with the Chiefs offensive line seems to be a mess,
(30:55):
But I like, I'm not dumb enough to say, hey,
Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes can't figuregured out? But is
this the league that the AFC figures out the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
You know, I hate picking against Kansas City in any capacity, right.
I mean, what they've done in the West, and obviously
what they've done to get the Super Bowls has been
just dramatic, and getting received Rice back is a huge,
huge piece. But I think we solve the problem with
the offensive line in the past and how that really
kind of you know, clipped the Chiefs certainly in the
(31:26):
Super Bowl. And it feels to me like what you're
feeling is what I see, Doug, is that it's a
team that's kind of got a patchwork somewhat offensive line. Obviously,
tracing this got is a huge deal, which is great,
but still at that left side, it makes me very uncomfortable.
I'm sure what they're going to do is they're going
to have to protect on that side a little bit
more with the tight end position or chipping, and that's
(31:47):
what Andy Reid's going to do. I think there's still
like it's them in the Chargers, you know. I like
what Denver's done, and we'll see what the Raiders can do.
But it's then in the Chargers. I think it's neck
and neck, but I still think the Chiefs on But
I don't think the Chiefs make it the Super Bowl
this year. I think that it's going to be more
of a Buffalo Baltimore situation than it's going to be
Candas City.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, they're kind He's kind of like Jordan, right, and
you have like Pat Ewing and Never in the East,
and they've been they've been blocked off by those Chiefs
for for so many years. Mark. I know you get
excited this time of year, so do we love having
you on. Have a great weekend. Thanks for joining us
on the.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Show, you bet, Doug.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Thanks man.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
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Speaker 8 (32:41):
Dan, this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
All Right, Doug, the game today is I got all Right,
I got dibbs. Is the topic or the the game today?
(33:05):
The first topic on the board, we throw it out.
Everybody tries to grab theirs. Topic Number one favorite metal bands.
This on the heels of the passing of Ozzy Osbourne
favorite metal band go.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I got DIBs. I got DIBs. Iron Maiden one of
the greatest bands ever. I've seen them live probably two
dozen times. And Bruce Dickinson kicks ass, by the way,
and that's a commentary among among the Maiden faithful Irons Up.
If you didn't like prior to Bruce Dickinson, I guess
(33:44):
you're you're not sophisticated enough. It's kind of like the
David Lee Roth Sammy Hagar thing. Nothing wrong with liking
Sammy Hagar. I just want Bruce Dickinson and my Maiden eaters.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I got on Tool Tool.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's nice nice a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Last night, it's it's Grace's Grace is my metal head
bassist daughter. It's her favorite band. Uh. My guy, Eric
Chennawick did get his tickets and we got to meet
Maynard Nice and despite the fact he's a big Kansas
basketball fan, I enjoy him and I think they're kind
of awesome. So bunch to choose from. Because I've seen
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she might say Dream Theater, I'm gonna go with Tool.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I like Dream Theater too, but Tool. I would take Tools.
I got DIBs on Dream Theater, the band that opened
for the comic you saw in. Yeah, oh yes it was,
because that actually happens.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Nategins.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I got DIBs on Metallica, who I played coming into
the segmentary a little Blitzkreed cover.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You can't spell Metallica without metal. So they're the goats
in my book.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I'm gonna take some people off and say Motley Crue. Yes, yeah,
I know it's people.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
They're not metal. They're not metal. I don't mind that.
I don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Well, it's just it's, you know, they're not metal. But
it doesn't matter to me though.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It doesn't matter. Yeah, No, they're they're a hairband.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
It's the controversy the metal. Hey, shout at the devil.
I'm telling you, Doctor feel Good is very heavy. You know,
no nod her a metal band. That that's not that's
without argument. I mean they became a hair band.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay, okay, I'm okay with that argument.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Fine, all right, all good picks across the board. Next
one favorite Major League Baseball trade deadline memory. Favorite baseball
trade deadline memory. Iowa Sam is shaking his head. It's
either he doesn't know or he just can't believe that
that trade.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Went down when it did.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I got DIBs when Randy Johnson was dealt to the
Astros in nineteen ninety eight. Oh, I remember it. I
was an Asses fan back then, and I thought it
was going to change the face of the National League.
And then they got beat by the Padres. But oh well,
there it is. What year was that, nineteen nineteen ninety eight?
(36:18):
I believe, yes, I checked that out by my college apartment.
I don't know if like if you how you guys
go back in your like, I remember the apartment that
I was in when he was traded, So that would
have been the summer between my junior and senior year
of college.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What was your CC Sabbathew was traded to.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
The Brewers two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, that would be that'd be mine.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, I'll go with the Many Ramirez two thousand and fifteen,
fourteen many World.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Many would actually was twenty ten maybe, and that was
a deal that was done like after the deadline had passed. Yeah,
and that's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
His game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Will Nick Saban ever coach college football again? Wait? Till
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Sports Radio. How you doing, Welcome in Hope. You're having
a great day. That's it that it feels like a
smattering of applause. My goodness that we did. There we go,
There we go.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I didn't. Band's been filling in for other shows. Jay
Stewo's been pouting because the Dodgers are losing, so we
haven't had the full crew together. And you know, I
don't usually like to do this, just because the one
thing we do a great job of, and when I
say we, I mean Jason Stewart does, because he's the
(01:08):
one who keeps us on topic, on task, is looking forward.
You know. It's like, you know, you go too far
behind in the past. It's like what are we what
are we doing here? Right? But but I do think
yesterday and now we're like twenty four hours into this
(01:29):
into our reaction to the death of Hulk Hogan, that
it's still worthy of discussion because we haven't been together.
That's the big thing. We haven't been together. So I look,
there have been people that are critical of my comments.
(01:53):
There are people that are critical of others who have
gone completely the other way and act like, you know,
some some incredible icon has passed away, right, And look,
my thing is, I've never really been a wrestling guy.
And once I heard the tape that what wholk Hogan,
(02:16):
I don't even know his real name whatever, Terry Terry
with a V or B with Terry Belea, you drop
n bomb with a hard R. Several times admit to
be like, I'm just that doesn't exist in my world.
Those aren't people that I will ever associate with or
think of on an unfriendly terms. Sorry, And I'm sure
(02:40):
there are people that I know that, or I'm not sure.
I'm guessing there there are a person or two that
I know that may say that I just haven't heard it.
Once I hear it, I'm like, I'm good here. So no,
I didn't spend time thinking about it. I'm not super bummed,
but on the other hand, I do understand the spectacle
(03:00):
in the eighties and nineties that was Hulk Hogan. But
you know, there's lots of things we did in the
eighties and nineties that we don't do now, or we're
not into now, or we realize it's bad for us.
Jayce Do. I thought you had great perspective when we
discussed this, right, because my thing has been I think
(03:21):
that people and this is I know we joked about, hey,
when Malcolm Jamal Warner died, you know, whoever dies next,
it's gonna be death in threes and it has it
has been, right Ozzie him and Hulk Hogan. But I
also think that, like, look, what's fascinating to me is
(03:43):
the eighties come to kind of like real life, like
what we saw in the eighties on TV Cosby Show,
what we learned about Bill Cosby since oh yeah, by
the way, that show really not funny. On the other hand,
you can't deny what a breakthrough it was in network
TV at that time slot and what was big then
(04:05):
is not now and it is so different. Then you
go to Ozzy Osbourne, who you know was was basically
seen as a devil worshiper, at least by my parents
when I was a kid, and you know later on
in life. They were kind of the first American or
non American, but first rock family to let us into
(04:27):
their home with the Osbourne's, And I thought Ozzy became
a very likable, likable person if you watch that show.
And then Hulk Hogan went from kind of an American
icon too exposed to being something completely different in his
personal life, and he had a reality show as well.
(04:49):
But I thought that that people who kind of mourned yesterday,
they were more mourning the loss of their childhood. I thought, man,
remember when wrestling was super fun. Now it's like I
got to keep up with the script. I don't know,
you know now it now it really now we always
I always knew it was fake, but it had that
(05:11):
maybe some of this is real to where now it's
just a TV show. But Jay Stu, you had a
different perspective and I thought it was great and I'd
give you the Florida share it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean I think that I understand. I understand both.
I heard what you had to say, and I've seen
others that were quick to criticize or how about this
not as uh not as celebratory and embracing of of Hulk,
And then I understand why there was such a massive
(05:44):
reaction to it. Part of it is what you said.
I think part of it is like losing the childhood.
But like Sam just said on the air, his real name,
and I just found this out today as I was
googling it. Terry Bolea is a very flawed individual, bordering
on like a despicable individual. And I blame the entire
(06:07):
business model of wrestling. As I was growing up through
the eighties, I didn't watch it. I have never caught on,
so I come at it from that perspective. But it
always seemed like an entity that always functioned with a
kind of a wink and a knot, like you know,
smart people know this is fake, But for all the
other people that don't know it's fake, let's not tell them.
(06:30):
And we're gonna have this massive fan base of people
that don't know if it's fake or not, and that'll
just create this amazing entertainment. And then you have the
biggest entity, Hulk Hogan in that. So you have this
entire generation of people that are just like Hulk Hogan.
He's my hero.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Whole.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Hogan the ultimate heel. He's iconic Hulk Hogan. So I
think all of the celebration yesterday in his passing was
celebrating Hulk. But I think you can and should make
the differentiation between Terry Bolea and Hulk Hogan. And that
Terry guy is disturbing. And why do we know that
(07:09):
Doug because of a lawsuit when he sued that website
for the sex tape. All this discovery came and those
the N word and all that stuff came with it,
and then we find out all these less than nice
things about the guy. And if you watch the Vince
McMahon documentary that I just did, he did a lot
(07:31):
of things business wise that were not up to par.
So it's like that guy that was not the character
isn't that great. But I thought that's wrestling's fault for
doing this to us. They've confused us between the character
and the guy.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I thought that the one of the parts that you
brought up when we were discussing this, which is I
thought brilliant, is when you once you go rest professional wrestler,
you can never come out of character. Think about that
for a second. You can never come out of character
(08:08):
like that would be as if Gene Simmons could would
always have to walk around with makeup on Okay, that
would you know? Pick your favorite actor, even the guys
that are like method acting, you know, and I've heard
some of these stories of a guy but he's a
method actor. It's annoying. You go to get coffee and
(08:29):
he answers you as you know, he talks to you
as the character he's in the film. Yeah, but once
the film is shot and edited, the method acting ends.
And not in pro wrestling, right, Like Dwayne Johnson's been
able to do a little bit of it, but he's
still the rock. He still has to carry on some
of that kind of persona. And yeah, it's one of
(08:51):
those things where you once you take on this caricature
and this character, that's who you have to become. So
we don't No one knows who Terry Pagoula Pagoula actually
is Terry b Terry Pagola owns the bills, right, does
(09:12):
he owned the bills? I think he owns the bills? Dan,
how about you were you were you a pro wrestling
guy growing up in Wisconsin?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Well, I liked I liked wrestling and I liked hull Cogan,
and that's where I thought all of it was about yesterday.
I don't disagree with some of the things that you said, Doug,
you're not being a wrestling fan. I think it's when
you were a kid, or even now, which I am
not now, but I was when I was a kid.
(09:41):
I think that it's it is different for those that were.
I felt like yesterday was about about our childhood and
about nostalgia. I was talking last night with Mike Harmon
about this because obviously it wasn't on your show yesterday,
and I felt like it was the same thing with
Malcolm Jamal Warner, like I know Bill Cosby was. We
(10:03):
completely looked different on him back in the day. But
I think we all related to theo because we were
somewhat around that age, and I think that hit home Ozzy.
The same thing with the music in Hulkgan. As you
look at the eighties, it was always about big, enormous superstars,
(10:23):
whether it be in music, whether it be in acting.
It was the bigger, the better, and there was nothing
bigger than hul Cogan. And so I felt with all
of us as coming from that era, that lived in
that era, that's what yesterday was about. I could be
wrong in that we're going to look at Hulkgan the
rest of the way now until eternity, in however fashion,
(10:47):
you're going to look at him. But I just felt
in that twenty four hour period, it was about us
looking back on our childhood and remembering the excitement and
all the fun that you had, and watching wrestling and
watching him of the ring and do his thing in
the ring. That's what I thought yesterday was about.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I I again to be fully transparent. Okay, One, no,
I never I didn't like wrestling. I wasn't a wrestling guy.
I did watch it, Okay, I did watch it. But
the two there's a couple of main reasons why I
wasn't really a wrestling guy. One, not only was it fake,
but I had my I was like a constant argument
(11:24):
with my dad, was like, Dad, that's fake. No, it's not,
yes it is. It's like it was an insane argument
to have. By the way, It's a lot like some
of the arguments people are having now. It's like the
did you guys see the video of Trump yesterday with
the head of the Fed. It's like, look as three
point one billion they're like, that's a building that was
built five years ago. Like what just when you're having
(11:46):
arguments with people that it doesn't matter what you say,
they're just it it like it does no traumatic truth
actually matters. It makes for an awkward conversation. So that's
part of it. And then I was also a little brother.
Remember so the role of the little brother and I
because I was the little brother, I was also basically
the little brother for all of my brother's friends. So
(12:08):
you know, whatever Jimmy supervised Snooka did somebody did to me, right,
that was and and these are moves that every big
brother did on a little brother, or buddies did on
each other, and they should not have during that time period.
So there's a reason that I have a bit of resistance.
And then again it's just like one of those I
(12:30):
just ever never kind of got into the storylines or whatever.
But it is crazy that we created this bigger than
life figure like Hulk Hogan during his prime. Remember they
he'd get hit by a chair and they they'd have
a truck come out and run him over, and they
about to pin him and they'd hold up his hand
(12:53):
and it would fall down and they'd hold up his
hand and it would fall down and they'd hold up
his hand and all of a sudden then they'd be
made into a fifth to a number one, and he
was and and Hulk was back like it was. It was.
It was so over the top to me that I
was like, oh, why are we watching this? And yet
everyone I know was into it. They were all into it.
(13:16):
But it is interesting on how when somebody dies, like
we we choose, you know, it's like we're gonna would
choose to either remember fondly the image and achievements, or
we're gonna remember the whole picture, and some will be
(13:37):
hyper focused on the negative. I try and be in
the middle on all these things.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yes, Sammy, So Hulk Hogan died. He died suddenly, like
this was, you know, not expected. He passed away. That's
not necessarily true, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, well okay, I mean the rumors and stuff, and
people have talked about how they found out he wasn't
in good health.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Okay, so he wasn't good. But I think this was
a shock to most people, right, would that be fair
to say, yeah, yeah, he just passed away, Oh, Hulk
Cogan is said, So I think when we talk about
people like if Hulk Hogan was terminally ill and we
had six weeks to have two months to be ready
to say goodbye to him, then I think people would
discuss all the good in the bad when someone dies
kind of like out of the blue. I think people
(14:18):
tend to look at the positives first. It's almost like
you go to someone's funeral, you're gonna eulogize him. You're
not gonna get up there and say awful stuff about them.
You might say that stuff between friends after the fact,
but I think a lot of people will tend to
look at the positive things first and then the negative
things after. I think, Doug, maybe people were a little
resistant to you yesterday just going right at like the
bad stuff he did in his life, or as you know,
(14:40):
as Terry Bulea. So I think that it's it's sort
of a timing thing. Like if we had all the
time to kind of eulogize and look at his life
and he was a slow descent towards death, that's something else.
But he was just gone all of a sudden, Oh
my gosh. We have to look back at Hulk Hogan's life,
you know, all at once in one show.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I agree with that, just like this assumed grace period.
I remember after Pete Rose passed there was a sentiment
from the media that was like, yeah, sure he had
a lot of flaws, but today isn't the day to
bring those up. And it's like, I don't know why
that's the rule.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I don't either.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I don't tell you why, because I thought of Pete
Rose as well. Pete Rose lived his life off off
of him betting on base like that. There was for
how many years, thirty five years of his life. I
feel like it was all about the betting baseball sort
of deal, the autograph signings, all of that stuff, like
it became him. I don't think that this took over
(15:39):
Hulk Hogan's life. I think they try to run from it.
We're finding out stuff like after the fact. But I
think that's why we look at it differently.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, I Steinbrender to me was the one that jumps out. Obviously,
Pete Rose happened most. I was working at ESPN Radio
at the time when Steinbritder died and there were all
these people like eulogizing Steinbrunner, and I was just again,
it was the day he died and I just said, like,
what are we doing, Like, here's the guy who spread
lies about Dave Winfield. Hey, and you know that trying
(16:18):
to destroy a guy trying to destroy Dave Winfield. That's
what because you know, because what was because he was
he was injured when he signed with the with the
Yankees or whatever, like whatever your logic behind it was,
that's what George Seinberg got suspended for. And it was like, well,
(16:38):
you know they won four World Series. Yeah, but that
was after like fifteen years of the same thing over
and over again and hiring and firing, you know, the
same manager over and over again. It was a circus.
And you know, just because the baseball department, you know,
was smart enough to draft Derek Cheater and to develop
Mario Rivera and the players. And the other part was
(16:58):
it's like they kind of represented this aeroid era as well,
you know, not Jeet or not Mo, but Roger Clemens
and others. So I just thought it's a time. You
never get a chance to circle back two weeks later
and go like, hey, by the way, Hulk Hogan blatant racist,
dropped hard r N bombs, you know, like we're not
(17:19):
circling back to talk about Hulk Hogan after the day
he died. So I understand there's supposed to be some
grace period and we're only supposed to say nice things
and we're supposed to remember them finally, just like you know,
Kobe Bryant only remembered fondly. Now again, I think Kobe
Bryant's complex. I thought Kobe Bryant really ended his when
(17:39):
his life ended. Unfortunately, it was when he had really
matured and become way more thoughtful, way more likable. So
you know, that stuff was sort of buried, but it was.
It was part of the entire story. And I just
think when you die, it's part of the entire story.
And part of the whole Colgan story is we had
this he was Captain America. That's who he was. He
(18:01):
was Captain America. And then we find out like, yeah,
he he said did some things that are terrible. There
is one other part to hold Coga which should be mentioned.
You know, he was like early on when he became champion,
he was like in his mid thirties, and you know
he was he was bald then, and it's one of
(18:23):
those if you're gonna go bald, you are almost better
going bald in your thirties, because then he was seventy one.
And yeah, I mean some of the close ups he
didn't look great, but he definitely didn't look seventy one.
And a lot of it is he went bald. If
you're gonna go gray, go gray early. If you're gonna
go bald, go bald early. Just again.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You know, Oh man, what that was just quite the
left turn.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It was a left turn. But it's true. It's true.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I thought he balded gracefully. To be honest, I thought
it worked for him. Yeah. He was just tan and
swollen his whole life. Like we're just like you could
be fifty, you could be seventy.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't, right, but I'm telling you had he had
like a full head of hair when he started and
then had the look that he had. You know, at
the end, it would have been like, man, ho Colgan's
looking older. But you have no idea how old. No
one had any idea how OLDI it was, you know,
because he was already bald when he became a star.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He kept the peroxide industry in business for his entire life.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
He did be sure to catch the live edition of
the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Our good
friend Mark Dominic stops by. As it is that time
of year, players are at camp and we're starting to
get a good sense of what teams look like, and
I'm just wondering, Mark, you know you have there's there's
not a litany of them this year, but there's enough.
He got some of these hold ins, a couple of
(19:59):
whole we need the general manager and you have these
things going on. How do the coaches proceed in terms
of making their plans in place? I asked that because
it's like most of us feel like eventually these deals
are going to get done anyway, but if the guy's
not at practice, there's going to be some catching up
to do. How does that all work when you have
(20:22):
a guy holding in or especially a guy holding out?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean a lot of times, you know, it's
obviously communication as the GM with your coaching staff. What's
going on specific your head coach of where the negotiations
sit and how long do we think this is going
to be? So that way we can make sure we're
getting the reps to the right people in the right spots,
or our swing tackle now is to just focus on
left tackle or right tackle. Or you know, maybe we've
got an outside linebacker who you know can play both
(20:46):
left and right, but now he's going to just focus
on being on the right side. So those are the
things we're talking through. But it's constant communication with your
head coach. It's also a constant communication with ownership. Where
does this stand? What's the hold up? And what are
we fighting for versus what are they fighting for and why?
And so all those things come together, and you know,
you try to create it to be the least amount
(21:07):
of the strategy can be. And so as you handle
it within the media, as you handle it internally, you know,
you don't stress about it, you don't worry about it.
You just keep moving and you try to tell the
young guys, here's a great opportunity for you to get
reps that maybe you wouldn't get before. And you know,
let's take advantage of that while we get them.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, let's let's get to a couple other kind of
issues going on right now. Let's start with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. Right where you have you have a rookie
who's who is four hundred and fifty pounds, four hundred
and fifty pounds. Obviously right now he's he's got he's
(21:52):
on the injury list due to non football issues. But
here's one. How do you handle that if you're the
GM of the Buccaneers back in your old job.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Yeah, well that's a unique one, right, and you know
what kind of temperature and what you're going to be
playing in, right, I mean, that's that's the thing that
for Tampa. You know, basically they do most of their
work on the field, right. Sure they'll do some work
off the field and their dome, but usually that's more
of the walkthrough just to keep out of the heat.
(22:21):
But what they like to do is make sure that
they're taking advantage of the heat that they're in. So
that way, when teams come to town and play them
in September and October, what's still hot, that they're conditioned
for it. So you've got to kind of think about
that when you're putting your team together. As talented as
the guy is, you know you're going to put him
through a lot of pain. This way with the you
know the weight that you're going to have to deal with,
and I think that's probably what's going on. And you know,
(22:43):
that's something that they had to decide with Desen Watson.
Did it make sense right the Florida defensive tackle? Does
it make sense to sign him? And if so, what
kind of shit can we get him into? And clearly
he's on the non football injury list, and so, you know,
I think it's just one of those things where he's
still got to get himself in the right type of
shape to be able to handle the floor, to heat.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah well, or or just to handle life like that's
a he's a big man, but that's that's just too
much weight, just too much weight. What should our expectations
be of Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 7 (23:18):
I think they should be good. I think this is
you know, still I still believe in Aaron Rodgers that
he's got another season with him that's going to be
better than what I think most people think, just because
it's been so frustrated in the last two years. I
think that, you know, the one thing that's a little
concerning for them is, uh, you know, obviously, Robert Woods
is a veteran who's you know, really up there now
in terms of age, but good for him that he's around.
(23:40):
I think it's a big piece of them as really
is Roman Wilson come back and kind of fly into
that you know, where Calvinos was a slot, can Roman
Wilson kind of fit into this mold and be the
player they drafted a third round two years ago. They
didn't get to see him last year basically, so that's
a big piece of it. I like the offensive line.
I think they're going to be okay there, but you know,
the tight end position. Johnny Smith's obviously came into his
(24:02):
own the last couple of years and really he's got
a lot of balls that's going to give him a
lot of work with Pat Firemuth and then big Darnell Washington,
so they've got pieces all around them. I think defensively
they're going to stay in every game because I think
they're so good on that side of the ball. But offensively,
I think with an Aaron Rodgers, you're going to see
a guy that's got a lot of confidence back there,
and you know, I think that you're going to see
a lot of deep balls to dk Metcalf and using
(24:22):
his size and strength to be able to you know,
bust things open and then again using Austen and I
think Roman Wilson has really the guys that are working
the middle of the field and working, you know, the
linebackers in that slot position.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't think anyone can argue that from general manager
to head coach to coaching staff, Lions did a great job.
But what the real challenge is when you start to
lose coordinators, right, and they've lost a lot. They've lost coordinators,
so they've also lost coaches and they've lost some players.
On the other hand, some of those pieces are still
there in terms of the players. What are your expectations
(24:54):
the Detroit Lions this season.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Yeah, I think probably were a lot of people left
off that it's hard to kind of sit there and
look at them and go, boy, I think that they're
really going to take a step back at all. I mean,
you know, with the fact of if they would have
if they would have had a leaning meal down the stretch,
if they'd have certainly had Aiden Hutchinson down the stretch,
could have this whole season been even more special. Yes,
(25:18):
So I think that's kind of the The interesting part
is that you know, hopefully this team can get through
this training camp and stay healthy, because I think that's
really going to be the big piece that is for everybody.
I don't mean to be generalization there, but it really
is critical when you see team like there's a special
star players to get through training camp and kind of
get to week one and be healthy. Because I think
the expectations are at the right spot. You know, I
(25:38):
think that they're certainly contenders for the Super Bowl. Uh
you know, I like Tate Redlers, their second round pick,
who they brought in there to kind of really you know,
he'll be able to step in even you know, when
the unexpected retirement for them maybe somewhat, so they had
the right picks at the right spot. I like this
team a lot. I think it's hard for anybody to
look at them and go I think they overachieved last year.
(25:59):
I think they were who they were were and you know,
they were actually I think achieved even better considering the
amount of injuries they went through. I think they're the
team to be in the NFC North. Where's Chicago. I
want to see a couple of games to say, but
I think the Packers are right on their heels.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Okay, let's talk about the Packers. You know, what, what
do you really think of Jordan Love? Like last year
it was like, ah, he had some good games and
he was better than we thought coming into last season
I'm talking about and then some of the good was
very good, but there was a high turnover clip there.
Maybe not in comparison to the Farve days, but obviously
football has played a much more efficient throwing the football.
(26:38):
Now what your if you were going to give a
breakdown of Jordan Love, now you have a couple of
full bodies of work, what would it be.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Yeah, I think it's it's actually really good. And I
think what happened towards the end of the season. You know,
the Chicago game wasn't anything to write home about, but
when you went from about halfway through the season to
the end of season, I think he threw one or
two interceptions the entire time. So I mean I think
as the season went on, I think he was like
ten and one the second half of the season with
touchdown interception ratio and his yards per tempt were, you know,
(27:11):
averaging close to nine yards for templary. He took all
those games combined as well, So I think there was
some really good stuff happening during the season towards the
end that said, hey, Jordan Loves, you know, kind of
found his game. I know early on against especially in Minnesotah,
had the three interception performance. But I like it, you know,
I like Matthew Golden. I think that's going to really
even make the offensive weapons more exciting. And I also
(27:33):
think that he's got more options with Luke Musgrave being
back and then hopefully being a full part of this
offense as well. They didn't have him last year really,
and so when you think about adding to Golden, adding
the Luke Musgrave and then taking Jordan Love where he
is with that offensive line where it's set, I don't
see a reason to not believe in Jordan Love. I
think what we're seeing is what we're getting. And I'm
a buyer. I'm a guy that wasn't sure what he
(27:55):
was going to be. But for two years now, once
he's got over fifty fifty touchdowns and something like twenty interceptions,
that's I mean, that's that's a that's a really nice combination.
And he's thrown again last year just twenty five, but
he's thrown for over thirty touchdowns of the season, which
is a huge barometer for quarterback success to me in
this league in terms of long term success.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Uh uh what what? How do you think Russell Wilson
does in New York?
Speaker 7 (28:24):
I just that one. I'm not sold on. You know,
it's not because it's Russell Wilson. It's just I still
look at that offensive line and I still scratch my
head saying, I just don't know if that line is
going to be good enough. I think they're a good
team that can be strong at the line of scrimmage,
but they're certainly not doing a great job of protecting
the quarterback in my opinion, and I don't I don't
(28:45):
see the difference here. I still see problems in that
offensive line in terms of pass protection, and I think
that spells trouble for for Russell and in a division
where you know, to me, they're the fourth place team
already trying to find a way to get victories and
it's going to be hard to beat the Cowboys and
the certainly the Commanders and obviously the Eagles and let
on the other games. I mean, it just feels like
(29:06):
there's a lot of upshill grinds here. I don't feel
as optimistic about the impact Russell Will having the Giants,
as I do feel like, you know again, I think
Aaron Rodgers helps the Steelers maintain that you know, nine
and eight, ten and seven. But I still think that
the Aaron Rodgers Pittsburgh Steels aren't better than the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Who's the sneaky team, the team that is going to
sneak out, Let's sneak up on us, and when we
get to November December, we're going to start kicking ourselves
for not having discussed them more.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
I think the sneaky team is the Aribon the Cardinals.
I think that they're better than people realize. I think
that there was some really good stuff we saw last year,
but I think they've improved at linebacker, and I think
that's a big piece of it. I think that's a
spot where I feel like that's just a better team.
Paris Johnson the tackles, really taking big strides in steps
and what he's done. I think Kyler Murray and all
the quote unquote does he love football has kind of
(29:57):
been thrown out the window, and it's kind of like, Okay,
Tyler's all in, and so I think that's a team
because I think that Cherld Junior is still going to have,
you know, a lot more impact than he had even
his rookie year. So I think the Arizona Cardinals are
the sneaky team in the nation football if I'm allowed
to pick them.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, Ganna gets a job
and his opening press conference and some of the video
stuff not great. But you could say the exact same
thing in Philadelphia right where, you know, when when he
got the job. And again I don't love the bravado
and act or whatever, but I mean it's been a
one eighty from when we first you know, when we
(30:32):
first saw now the defending Super Bowl champion coach kind
of take the podium and you know, there's Yeah, I
think I'm with you. I think they're they're They're not terrible.
They're actually pretty darn good and kind of going under
the radar. Okay, I'm trying to figure out with the
with the Chiefs offensive line seems to be a mess,
(30:55):
But I like, I'm not dumb enough to say, hey,
Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes can't figuregured out? But is
this the league that the AFC figures out the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
You know, I hate picking against Kansas City in any capacity, right.
I mean, what they've done in the West, and obviously
what they've done to get the Super Bowls has been
just dramatic, and getting received Rice back is a huge,
huge piece. But I think we solve the problem with
the offensive line in the past and how that really
kind of you know, clipped the Chiefs certainly in the
(31:26):
Super Bowl. And it feels to me like what you're
feeling is what I see, Doug, is that it's a
team that's kind of got a patchwork somewhat offensive line. Obviously,
tracing this got is a huge deal, which is great,
but still at that left side, it makes me very uncomfortable.
I'm sure what they're going to do is they're going
to have to protect on that side a little bit
more with the tight end position or chipping, and that's
(31:47):
what Andy Reid's going to do. I think there's still
like it's them in the Chargers, you know. I like
what Denver's done, and we'll see what the Raiders can do.
But it's then in the Chargers. I think it's neck
and neck, but I still think the Chiefs on But
I don't think the Chiefs make it the Super Bowl
this year. I think that it's going to be more
of a Buffalo Baltimore situation than it's going to be
Candas City.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, they're kind He's kind of like Jordan, right, and
you have like Pat Ewing and Never in the East,
and they've been they've been blocked off by those Chiefs
for for so many years. Mark. I know you get
excited this time of year, so do we love having
you on. Have a great weekend. Thanks for joining us
on the.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Show, you bet, Doug.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Thanks man.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're
having a great day. Everybody's having fun today, so let's
get after it and play a game with Dan Buyer.
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Dan, this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
All Right, Doug, the game today is I got all Right,
I got dibbs. Is the topic or the the game today?
(33:05):
The first topic on the board, we throw it out.
Everybody tries to grab theirs. Topic Number one favorite metal bands.
This on the heels of the passing of Ozzy Osbourne
favorite metal band go.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I got DIBs. I got DIBs. Iron Maiden one of
the greatest bands ever. I've seen them live probably two
dozen times. And Bruce Dickinson kicks ass, by the way,
and that's a commentary among among the Maiden faithful Irons Up.
If you didn't like prior to Bruce Dickinson, I guess
(33:44):
you're you're not sophisticated enough. It's kind of like the
David Lee Roth Sammy Hagar thing. Nothing wrong with liking
Sammy Hagar. I just want Bruce Dickinson and my Maiden eaters.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I got on Tool Tool.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It's nice nice a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Last night, it's it's Grace's Grace is my metal head
bassist daughter. It's her favorite band. Uh. My guy, Eric
Chennawick did get his tickets and we got to meet
Maynard Nice and despite the fact he's a big Kansas
basketball fan, I enjoy him and I think they're kind
of awesome. So bunch to choose from. Because I've seen
(34:24):
she might say Dream Theater, I'm gonna go with Tool.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I like Dream Theater too, but Tool. I would take Tools.
I got DIBs on Dream Theater, the band that opened
for the comic you saw in. Yeah, oh yes it was,
because that actually happens.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Nategins.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I got DIBs on Metallica, who I played coming into
the segmentary a little Blitzkreed cover.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You can't spell Metallica without metal. So they're the goats
in my book.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I'm gonna take some people off and say Motley Crue. Yes, yeah,
I know it's people.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
They're not metal. They're not metal. I don't mind that.
I don't mind that.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Well, it's just it's, you know, they're not metal. But
it doesn't matter to me though.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It doesn't matter. Yeah, No, they're they're a hairband.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
It's the controversy the metal. Hey, shout at the devil.
I'm telling you, Doctor feel Good is very heavy. You know,
no nod her a metal band. That that's not that's
without argument. I mean they became a hair band.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Okay, okay, I'm okay with that argument.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Fine, all right, all good picks across the board. Next
one favorite Major League Baseball trade deadline memory. Favorite baseball
trade deadline memory. Iowa Sam is shaking his head. It's
either he doesn't know or he just can't believe that
that trade.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Went down when it did.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
I got DIBs when Randy Johnson was dealt to the
Astros in nineteen ninety eight. Oh, I remember it. I
was an Asses fan back then, and I thought it
was going to change the face of the National League.
And then they got beat by the Padres. But oh well,
there it is. What year was that, nineteen nineteen ninety eight?
(36:18):
I believe, yes, I checked that out by my college apartment.
I don't know if like if you how you guys
go back in your like, I remember the apartment that
I was in when he was traded, So that would
have been the summer between my junior and senior year
of college.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What was your CC Sabbathew was traded to.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
The Brewers two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, that would be that'd be mine.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, I'll go with the Many Ramirez two thousand and fifteen,
fourteen many World.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Many would actually was twenty ten maybe, and that was
a deal that was done like after the deadline had passed. Yeah,
and that's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
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Speaker 1 (37:03):
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