January 3, 2018 • 40 mins
Doug talks about Isaiah Thomas' debut with the Cavaliers and why he will make them a better team but still not as good as the Warriors. He also explains why Carson Palmer had a great NFL career, but is not a Hall of Famer. Plus, Bills offensive lineman Richie Incognito joins the show to discuss what it's like ending the longest playoff drought in professional sports history.
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at one o'clock on the West, that's four o'clock on
the East. You missed that interview, you're gonna want to
hear it. How you can download the podcast. Davonte Adams,
we just sign a new contract with what's gonna be
a very new Green Bay Packer team. As a kick
Ted Thompson upstairs, Ted Thompson drafted him. Ted Thompson just
gave him a new deal Ted Thompson, Now not really,
his boss will get his reaction to the changes that
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are a foot That are a foot right, that's correct, English,
that are a foot in Green Bay. Um. Also, man,
we got some interesting stuff on Alex Smith on Kirk
Cousins on why maybe you don't want to make the playoffs?
Who uh nick right? Comparing Jimmy Garoppolo to Colin Kaepernick
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and stating what I think is the opposite of what
I read into the exact same stats. There's so much
to get to, but let's start with the Cleveland Cavaliers,
who last night gotta win seventeen points in nineteen minutes.
Isaiah Thomas R. Two and the Calves are back, even
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though they weren't really gone from anywhere, right they didn't
really They're they're back, but they're not really. They wouldn't
go anywhere regardless of which. Lebron James celebrated his new teammates.
Isaiah Thomas celebrated whose new team and together they're gonna
take down the Warriors. Wait wait, now, look, Isaiah Thomas
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is good, man, He's a good player. Is he twenty
nine a game like last year? Good? Not really? Probably not,
But some of that is the coaching and and and
the pecking order. Um some of that, quite frankly is
uh is the fact that you know, is he gonna
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get the opportunities. Last year Isaiah Thomas average twenty eight
point nine points a game. And what I like in
his addition to the Cleveland Cavaliers is do you remember
and this is not in any way a political statement,
right like, I'm not getting into what worked and what
didn't work. Do you remember the stimulus package? You guys
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remember that, right? So when President Bush was in office,
obviously the the economy bottomed out, and then he started
to propose a stimulus package. And when President Obama took office,
the stimulus package I believe passed then. And forgive me
if I don't have the exact details of it, but
we were in bad, bad shape. And so the two
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or three things the government tried to do was they
had the too big to fail idea, right that was
with big companies where like like the auto industry, where
they took equity, they gave money to the auto industry
and they took equity in the auto industry because the
idea was that if the if the big three in
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in Detroit, went under. Just it's not just all of
those jobs would be lost or all of those pensions
would be lost, but there's like all the parts suppliers
from around the country, and there's so many other kind
of ancillary parts. You're like, look, we can't have this.
We got to find a way to support the auto industry.
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They took equity in. The second thing was they pumped
in a bunch of cash to states so that we're
all the roads projects. Some I just got back from
Tulsa with it just now finishing up these roads projects,
and around the country there was all of this what
was it? What is it called the infrastructure right, and
the idea behind funding infrastructure one is it needs to
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always all the bridges, the tunnels and the roads and
all that stuff. But also like you can't outsource that
to people from other countries, whereas if you just give
money to businesses, they're like, hey, cool, thanks, we're gonna
go have our call center in India. Right, So if
it's infrastructure stuff that has to be done by people here,
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so it's a way to artificially kind of stimulate your
local economy. And then this kind of passed out money.
But it wasn't a lot of money. Stimulus package was
a little bit for us as individuals, a little bit
for our states, and a little bit for huge, big businesses.
And we thought all of it was too big to fail.
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And the idea was like, all right, we'll give people.
You've got a hundred bucks in your pocket. Is that
really going to change things now? But it'll make you
one feel a little bit better, and two you go
out and you spend it, and that keeps that store afloat,
the bomb and pop store afloat, keeps everybody kind of working.
As I think everyone knew the economy would kind of
bounce back and turn around, and it did. Has it
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done so on on the type of projection that the
stock market has no But we're clearly in a better
spot now than we were when we when it bottomed out.
Real estate prices have mostly rebound and many have even
exceeded what they were before before we went through, uh,
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the economic turmoil. That that's kind of the analogy, the
best analogy I can give you for what we saw
in Cleveland. Isaiah Thomas is going to make Cleveland better.
Isaiah Thomas a good player. Good player. I don't know
if he's twenty nine a game, good like he was
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last year. But I do know that you put him
on a team that has mostly older dudes, and he
had twenty eight in the prime of his career. Coming
up the best season of his life is going to
energize them. Um. But the stimulus package did not fix
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our economy, did it. No? It artificially kind of stimulated
our economy. Um. Kind of like when you like, when
your heart stops, you know your zapp peep peep, right,
Like that doesn't fix whatever caused you to stop breathing
in your heart to stop, but it restarted your heart.
And I don't know if that's not really the type
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of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They weren't desperate, they weren't in despair.
But remember they had Kyrie Irving, who This is one
of those stats that aren't really telling, right he Isaiah
Thomas average more points than Kyrie Irving. Does that make
him a better player than Kyrie Irving? No? Um, I
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mean the different one of the big differences. Kyrie is
six two six three, Isaiah Thomas is five nine at best.
And so while Kyrie doesn't always guard people or rarely
plays defense, the fact is that with his size, strength, length,
he can at least defend people like Isaiah Thomas simply can't. Right,
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There's there's if he gets switched on Kevin Durant, there
is nothing that he can do. Nothing. Kevin Durand's seven
ft tall with long arms. He'll just turn and shoot
over him, turns over most guys. So I kind of
think what happened last night was like a stimulus package.
They lost Kyrie. Kyrie was the burgeoning superstar with the calves.
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He was the one guy who could really get his
own shot at the end of a shot clock, who
could simply take over a game if it wasn't Lebron
James taken over game. Kevin Love can score a lot
of points, but no one's gonna go like, hey, Kevin Love,
let me give you the ball. Everybody clear out. You're
gonna go get us buckets. It's not what he does.
Doesn't mean he's not a very good player. It just
means it's not what he does. So Isaiah Thomas says,
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a more diminutive, differently built player. Uh he's And people
always say, well, like, well, Kyrie average game, he average
twenty nine a game. They're both sort of scoring point guards.
That's kind of one and the same look. I compare
Kyrie Irving and and Isaiah Thomas to my twins. I
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have twin daughters, are eleven years old. One's blonde haired,
ones brown haired. But they're both eleven right, They're both
have the same last name, they both from the same
gene pool. They both love horses. They are completely different
and how they look, how they act, how they view
the world. That's Isaiah Thomas and Kyrie Irving everthough, all
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just one scoring point guard for the next Yeah, one, two, six, three,
great one on one point guard who can use pick
and roll but probably best in ISO situations and is
Uh is a remarkable kind of spurt score and ball handler.
The other one is more of a ball screen dynamic
kind of water bug who finds a way to get
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to the mid range and all the way to the
rack and just changes the pace of a game. They're different.
So I guess what I'm saying is I don't know
whether he is UH the Calves taking equity in in Detroit,
or whether it's the stimulus package presented to individuals or
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two UH state governments, But what it feels like to
me is this is nice. It's a great edition. It
helps you feel better about the Calves are not behind
the Boston Celtics, are not behind the Toronto Raptors, or
the or the the Wizards. But did this make them
better than the Golden State Warriors? Like now, he didn't
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fix the economy. It didn't fix what was wrong and
why they were beating four games to one and easily
could have been beating five games done. If anything, it's
actually kind of more limiting because the way in which
they won that one game in the five game series
was they roughed up the Golden State Warriors. They were
just too tough, too physical. They kind of mugged him.
And I don't know if Isaiah Thomas allows them to
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even do that. Here's Lebron and his new teammate. Did
you get a semblance of how he can impact this
team in the long run? For sure? He's very good,
very good, very dynamic and shoot the peel, can get
into lane, can past the ball. He's gonna just craze
so much for our team. There go, there you go, like, look,
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I think you'll be good for their team. Anyone who
thinks they're not going to be better like, oh, I
don't think they're better. Like you add an out All
star to a team, you had a guy every nine
game to a team, like you're going to be better.
Especially is another ball handler and a guard dominated league.
But it's more stimulus than it is fixing the issue
than it is solving the problem that is the Golden
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State Warriors. That's what it is. Be sure to catch
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and the I Heart Radio app A couple of the
longest streaks or playoff list streaks in the history in
in currently in sports were erased or will be erased
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this upcoming weekend, and the biggest of which the longest
route was in Buffalo with the Bills, who you know, like, look,
when I was younger, I was a kid, Bills went
to four straight Super Bowls. Who would have thought that
it would take them eighteen years to get back to
the playoffs since their last playoff appearance. That's what happened.
What an incredible journey it must be for Richie Incognito,
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who joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show here on
Fox sports radio Richie, how are you? I'm doing well, dog?
How are you? Good? Man? All right? So, like, look,
everyone know, everyone remembers I think a portion of how
how you were out of football after the Miami thing.
When you first got to Buffalo, give me your give
me the sense you first show up at the Buffalo
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Bills facility. What was it like? What was your first memory?
You know? I, Uh, I was out a football in
two thousand and fourteen, and I was fortunate enough to
get an opportunity to come play with the Buffalo Bills.
And when I came back here in this was my
sentlesment with the Bills. I had spent a brief a
few week period here on two thousand nine, so I
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was prison building. I knew Eric Wood and knew Kyle Williams. Um.
But that's about it, you know, I was. I was
really just looking to come back in this league and
established myself as a Pro Bowl player. Um, you know,
come back and uh, you know, just fortunate to really
have an opportunity to play the game I love. And
uh it's been a blessing, you know, three Pro Bowls
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in a row. Uh. Playoff berth Um ending the drought
here for the great City of Buffalo. Um, it really
has been a storybook career since coming back and um
and yeah, that's it. Yeah, but I don't know if
it has been Yeah, I guess maybe this story books
because there's been all kinds of ups and downs. Let me,
I see that Sean McDermott comes in, right, comes over
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from Carolina, and then you know, he essentially brings with
him a general manager. So like this is a new
regime and we all, I think, like anybody who's been
in business understands, guys want to bring in their own guys,
guys that they trust or whatever. McDermott comes in and
a lot of the guys that have been brought in
by Rex and his crew and by Doug Wale Whale
they were gone. Did you think at some point that
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you would get a call, hey, man, bring in your playbook? No? Um,
you know is uh it was. It was tense. You know,
you won't any time you go through a culture change,
they're gonna look at the roster top to bottom, inside
it out. Um. But I was looking at you all
the intangibles, everything that everybody brings and uh, Coach McDermott
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and Brandon being they came in, um with a vision,
and they came in with a purpose. And what they've
gone in they've surrounded us with uh fifty three accountable
guys who are hungry, who are students of the game, UM,
who prepare the right way and um and yeah, So
it was it was tumultuous, you know, because we were
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losing a lot of a lot of high draft picks,
a lot of guys that have played a long time
around here contributed and um, you know, Coach McDermott and
and being felt that they didn't fit our culture. And uh,
a lot of guys, you know, left a lot of
guys that we had counted on for for many years.
But what I think it did was it galvanized this group.
You know, there was a bunch of noise outside of
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tanking and you know, what are the bills doing? And um,
it just brought this group together. And that's what you
see weekend and week out. You just see this group
fighting and scrapping to get wins, all right. But then
you guys lost three in a row. He lost four
to five. They had you know, he tried to start
Petermany as the five picks in the first half against
the Chargers. I mean, look things things went from five
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and two and oh my gosh, the Bills are surprised.
The NFL too, Okay, the Bills, Yeah, they're gonna be
you know, they're gonna be drafting a quarterback, drafting high
in the draft. How did you guys right the ship?
Because it wasn't like look, I mean and it with
Miami twice, you had the Indianapolis game went to o
t like it was was was that the moment that
you right of the ship? What? How? How did you
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go from tinkering on the brink of what we all
thought was disaster to now back in the playoffs? You know,
just believing, believing in in one another, no one. You
know what we had? Um we had. You know, we
started off five and two, even was feeling good, and
then we got hit with with three in a row.
It started with the Jets game on Thursday night, continue
to the uh scenes game and then I believe after
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the scenes game it was possibly New England at Home
or whatever it was. It was, it was three in
a row, and you know it was It was a
turning point in the season where a lot of people
could have just packed it in. You know, people that
may have been here before that that really don't fit.
You know, the mold may have been packing it in,
you know, may have been you know, starting to point fingers.
You know, all that stuff starts festering. But with the
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group that we have in the group of individuals, uh,
just rock solid, accountable, scrappy guys with a chip on
their shoulder. We just kept staying together. We kept hanging together,
We kept blocking out the outside noise, We kept focusing
on what we can control, and we right at the ship.
We we we we got on a run and we
finished the season on a high note. Yeah, I mean
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it helped you playing that white out game? What was
that like? Remember that? We remember the Shade McCoy thing.
We're like, is he gonna get swallowed up by the
snow or we actually make it to the end zone.
I remember watching that and it was you know, in overtime,
you guys decided to punt with I don't know, like
four or four and a half minutes together, like what
are they doing? Are they waiving? Are they playing for
the tie? And turns out you got the ball back
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and got in position for that game winning score. Like
that ends up being the game. That kind of turned
turned the thing around. Yeah, it was. It wasn't uh
you know, it was. It was Uh, it was crazy,
you know, because you go out and you plan and
prepare all week to go play a team and you
have you know, you know, hours and hours and days
and days of preparation and then Boom Stadium gets hit
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with a snowstorm and literally the entire game plant goes
out the window, all sorts of technique, everything goes out
the window, and it's basically a wrestling match with you
and the guy in front of you, and um, you
know like that that. I think that was a huge
turning point for us. You know, we get been losing
uh you know, snowy day, you know, record snowfall. It's
just a crap day. And we could have packed it in.
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We could have could have tucked our tails, lost Indianapolis,
lost the rest of the season and continue to drought. Um,
but we didn't. You know, we're stuck together. We we
persevered and we just kept punching Indianapolis with one punch,
then the game asked had another punch, and we just
kept we kept swinging, and now we find ourselves in
the playoffs at nine and seven. Okay, but you're in
the locker room and you guys were watching and you
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end up watching the the Ravens first. You know, the
Bengals give up a big lead than the Ravens have
the lead in the Bengal score in a late touchdown.
Like of all the experiences that you've had, and you've
had a lot uh tow for you personally to go
into Miami knowing how that thing, how that thing ended
to get a win in Miami, and then to watch
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and to be part of Buffalo you've been with before,
like I, like you mentioned storybook, It is a story book.
So often times when we think of storybook careers, is
everything just going perfectly. Everything hasn't gone perfectly for you,
but it's been perfectly imperfect in terms of the culmination
last Sunday night, it really has. It's it's imperfectly imperfect
up until this point. Um, And yeah, it was crazy.
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You know, we we knew we had to go down
on handle business. We weren't. I wasn't going to let
myself get wrapped up in all the playoffs scenarios. And
this guy needs this team needs to be this team
and this and this and this and this and the
tie breakers. Um, I just knew we had to focus
on Miami and we had to go down there and
get a win. And um, you know they're tough down there.
They just beat the brakes off the Patriots down there
in prime time. Um, you know, they have a ton
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of talent. You know, they're they're not playing up to it.
They're kind of playing up and down. So our job
was to beat Miami. And then once we beat Miami,
then I was looking at the scoreboard. Then we ran
in the locker room. We were watching it. It was
like it was surreally, you know, fourth and twelve and
he Dalton throws one up, uh to some guy I've
never heard of, and uh, next thing, you know, he
needs to move in. He's in the end zone and
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warn the playoffs and uh, just fortunate man. You know, Uh,
coach mcdermotts done a good job of setting the table
for this team and keep the guy's focused. But I mean,
for it was from the time he's got here, we've
just been talking and working all this stuff into existence.
You know, there was a point in the season when
he was just telling us, you know, keep chopping, guys,
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keep pounding because you guys are part of the greatest
turnaround in sports history. This is a big challenge of Jacksonville.
They they call it Saxonville, right, tremendous, tremendous defensive front.
And this is one of those games. I know it's
football cliche to say it's going to be decided in
the trenches, but in Jacksonville, between your team to your
offensive line, their defensive line, isn't that what decides this game?
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It really is. Yeah, they have a they have a
incredibly dominant front seven. They have linebackers that can run
and hit, they have a back end that can cover. Um.
The roster is littered with first round picks, high price
free agents. Um, it's about time, you know, it really
is about time that Jacksonville finally put it all together.
You know, we played them last year here in Buffalo
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and they came in I think they were two or
three win team at the time, and you're going down
the roster. They have studs at literally every position, Like,
when are they going to put it together? And and
this year you've seen him put it together. You know, Uh,
suffocating defense, taking the ball away, giving the offense, uh
great feel position. Um, so everything really does start up
front with those guys, and uh, for us to have
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a chance to win this game, we gotta control them. Richie,
listen for you personally, I can't congratulate you enough. It's
been awesome to watch you have a re emergence of
your of your stellar career. And obviously for your team.
I think there's a lot of kind of closet Buffalo
bill fans or people who just like my team suck
for a long time too, and so you end up
rooting for just rooting for the Bills even if you're
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not a Bills fan, because you like the story of
the Bills, and yeah, you want to see him beat
Jacksonville this weekend. Thanks so much for joining us on
Fox Sports radiumn Okay, thanks for having me Alright's Richie
incognito joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports
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com and within the I Heart Radio app. Is anyone
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completely and thoroughly convinced that Tyrod Taylor is the long
term answer Tyrod Taylor. How many chtowns you think he's
thrown for this year? Anythink seven. Oh, come on, dude,
is that too many? That's too few? Okay, you made
it sound like it's a done, But so I figured
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he started fifteen games, Okay, started fifteen games for them,
started fifteen the past two years, fourteen the year before that.
How many touchdown pass you think? Let's say, let's say seventeen. Okay,
what do you think music, I'll go under that. I'll
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go sixteen fourteen touchdown passes. Now, Look, he's a dynamic runner.
He ran for over five hundred two years ago, five
eighty last year, four seven this year, five point one
yards to carry, has four rushing touchdowns. He's average about
five rushing touchdowns a year. This is his fewest passing
touchdowns since he's become a starter. Like, Tyrod Taylor is fine,
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But if you think Tyrod Taylor is a guy who
can just get you into the playoffs, like that's who
he is. He's the same guy who threw for sixty
five yards against the Patriots, So everything else around him
has to be so good. You gotta save so much
money if you're gonna keep Tyrod Taylor. And I guess
the question is, had they not made the playoffs, would
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they be looking for a quarterback and the answer is yeah,
I think so. And now that they made the playoffs,
are they still not? Are they gonna not look for
the for a quarterback? And I don't know they answered that.
I mean, I think what's gonna happen to? Peoplere gonna go, Well,
let's see how they play. Why you know who Tyrod
Taylor is. That's what happened with Joe Flacco. A right,
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Joe Flacco is on the biggest contract in the history
of the league because he won the Super Bowl. It's
like sometimes sometimes winning deceives you. It's a lot like
when you have a bad relationship, right, and then you
go out and you have this great night out, great
night in, right, Like you wake up the next morning,
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they're still the same person that you argue with that
you don't fit with mentally, Right, you're kind of frugal.
They buy everything. You know, you like to you like
to be around people. They don't you like rap and
hip hop, she likes rock, like just you're just not
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wired to kind of mess and blend together. But you
had this one night out, such a good time. He
has both got a little tank filled, a little frisky.
It was awesome, But is that really Does that change
your relate? Is that change the dynamic of your relationship?
Not really? And guys will be like, well, I'm not
emotional about yeah, you are, like you're a Bill fan,
like right now, Bills fans like they're sky high, like
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this is awesome. We made the playoffs, Like, all right,
you beat the coltson overtime in the Snow Bowl, then
you beat the Dolphins to the last three weeks. That's like,
I don't think the Jags are The Jags are sold
on Blake Bortles. If they don't make a move for
a corpmate, shame on them. So I think it's gonna
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be fascinating to see how much how much um the
power of the playoffs deceives, not just the fan basis,
but the front office of some of these teams. And
we saw with Dad last year. I told you, like,
that's not that good. They played us off schedule. They
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had an incredible running game and everything went right. Now
things go wrong, and can your quarterback keep your floating?
His The answer was new no. He could not be
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. No Packers
this year, and some of it is defense, and there's
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been there's gonna be a lot of personnelity. Dom Caper's
retires fired whatever, Ted Thompson, their gentlemanager kicked upstairs. Uh.
But even though the season was a disappointment, I think
back to back quality seasons for our next guest, we're
rightly rewarded. Davanta Adam sign a new contract um shortly
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before the end of the season. He gets rewarded for
back to back big, big seasons. And Uh, I gotta
ask you, Davante, like, we'll get to the contract and
how you feel about that versus not playing the playoffs.
But what's it like to not be preparing to play
in the playoffs this weekend? Man? It's it's a tough feeling.
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It's a feeling that many of us in that locker
room are familiar with the playoffs a year straight and
you know, it's my fourth year for four years in
the league. I've been three times, so it was definitely
unfamiliar feeling. But it's something that we can learn from.
So I'm just trying to you know, take whatever lesson
we can out of this. UM, just grow, I become
better next year. Okay, So how do you balance out
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the disappointment of this year with the excitement of being
rewarded so handsomely with your new contract. I mean, it's
it's it's pretty easy at this at this point with
kind of seeing the way things have been going. We
knew we weren't going to the playoffs and turned this
past game. So it's kind of, UM starts a rejuvenating
and uh, you know, rebuilding process mentally at least, UM
for me, getting this getting this deal done is something that, UM,
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it's really important to me obviously, and it's and it's
important that I stay here in Green Bay. So to
have that done it off my shoulders. I know, it
just makes me more more excited to move into next
year so I can get to work and uh, we
can get back on track. What was your reaction to
the front office move where Ted Thompson's moved upstairs and
there's gonna be a new general manager. Um, I was.
I was a little shocked, but you know it was
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something whatever whatever we're doing in that place to to
you know further, UM, make these make things moving and grow.
I'm all for it. Obviously a lot of respect for
Ted for taking a shot on me. I mean, he's
one of the biggest reasons why I'm even a Green
Bay packer of the day. So you know, without him,
who knows where I would have u ended up. But
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um so a lot of respect for him for that,
you know, And I know he will be excited about
whatever it is that he's uh going to be doing now.
All right. So look, you had your breakout nearly thousand
yards season going back last year twelve touchdown campaign, and
then of course you backed it up with five yards
ten touchdowns and only four teen games. You had the
two concussions. He didn't have a rod part of the season.
You've gone from a guy who you have freak athleticism
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and one of those guys was, man, why isn't he
better too? Oh? Okay, now he is what we thought
he could be. Like, what what has allowed you to
evolve into this type of player? Being healthy? Being healthy
is the main thing is something that you know with
my skill setting, man, but I kind of rely on
the beat. The elite is my quickness and my you know,
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my suddenness and things like that. Awful line of scrimmage
within my routes and being technical and having a bum
ankle for fifteen definitely uh took a lot of that
ability away from me. So to be in a position
where now I'm healthy and I think I just play
without thinking about an injury, without worrying about whatever is.
It just allows you to go off and play care
free and and uh display fast. And that's the biggest
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thing for me, being able to play fast and not
worry about them something lingering that's only connecting help in
the back. I feel like so healthy talking botton ball.
The other thing is guys taking his youth point out
militia's shots at you coming across the middle. Right, that's
had two concussions this year, Um, what's the what's a
reasonable way? You know, like because defensive guys like, look,
they lower their target area, we don't know where to
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hit them, and like, what's a what's a reasonable way
to take some of these hits out of football while
still keeping the fact that it is tackle foo black?
What's what's reasonable from your perspective? From my perspective, Uh,
I mean, I think the biggest and the easiest and
to do is you start reviewing those things, um, and
if a guy's hit in the head like I was,
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either time that the guy whoever hever committed to foul
should be out as long as whoever you know, If
I'm out for five games, then they should miss five
games without paying. It's just the way it goes, and
it should be the same way. If I go down
and take off the safety say that when he's not looking,
and I, you know, you hold him with with my
helmet the crown of my helmet, the same thing, I
still received the same punishment. So it's not an offensive
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defensive things, a player safetic thing. So if we don't
police that and start reviewing things or tossing guys out
of games, and it's not gonna it's not gonna get better.
So we just have to do that. I feel like
we can start to give rid of those its the
only the only let me, let me play the devil's advocate.
The only counter argument to that is sometimes there are
malicious hits that don't end up in that type of injury. Right.
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Sometimes guys get lucky they miss even though they're out
there head hunting and everybody knows their head hunting um
and looks saying some times guys get you know, guys
get fortunate with it. You know, they don't they don't
suffer a concussion like I don't know. I almost feel
like there should be some sort of player review board,
like I I know that they've had. I think Derrick
Brooks now reviews some of the hits. Of course, being
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a former linebacker, he has a good sense Merton Hanks
did it beforehand. But is there is there a way
to have like a kangaroo court of current football players
that can on a Monday sit down or just on
their phone have hits sent to them and be a
way to kind of the league police itself by itself.
I mean, that's that's that's definitely something that could be done.
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But then you can run into the bias and all that.
You know, people have guys they're friends with and and
they I mean that can go that was certainly playing
to it. If it's one of my best friends committed
a foul um, I could definitely be more inclined to say, hey, okay,
well you know, it wasn't that bad, you know, Or
when I'm leaving off the field after the time as
Davids hit, I got fans and people screaming at me
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and didn't even get hit that hard, but it had
something happened like that, you know, their guys and to
be a whole different story. So, um, you know, it's
hard to control that and it's gonna be tough to
police in either way. But uh, you know, I definitely
see both sides of it. It's it's it's tough for
them to know exactly where they hit someone, but it's
pretty easy that not he was the crown in your
helmet and maliciously take a guy out, uh, populated or not?
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Adams joining us on the Doug Gotlib Show here on
on Fox Sports Radio. Help us out with the Minnesota Vikings.
That defense looks nasty. You guys saw it twice this year.
What's your sense of what makes it special? What what
is it as we get ready for the playoffs? A
team that that as now I believe the favorite to
come out of the NFC. What makes that defense a
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special defense? The main things they just worked so well together.
I mean they're all on the same day. They communicated
really well. They got a lot of great individual players,
A lot of respect for Perhaps and I got a
lot of respect for David um, and some of those
guys that you know, everything up front they got they
got guys at every position, Um that are elite, so
love that. And you have standout guys and maybe even
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multiple Uh you know, I hadn't feeling during his spin
this year and digs my guy to um. You know,
it's just a lot of weapons all over the place,
and when you work together, it's pretty tough to beat that.
Now here's what I'm struggling with. Right, So you're top
You're up for the Top Value Performer award, that's the
t v p on on behalf of video. But your
value this year was more on your old contract because
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like right now, like you just got paid, dude, so
you're not you still have value, but like now you're
a highly paid, super talented, super productive wide receiver. So
what you you gotta you gotta sell me on the
fact that your top value performing. Like yo, I was
playing this whole year through two concussions on my old contract.
Yeah yeah, old deal and I was going to rookie deal.
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Just happened this this dudes, this happened less than a
week ago. So, um, every every every single yard I
put up, every catch this year was under that deal,
and uh, you know, it's good to have that. That
kind of weighed off my shoulders that it's done. But
I was performing under a rookie deal before and I
feel like I did at a high level. So, uh,
that definitely been my campaign. But it's definitely things have
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changed over the past few days. Yeah, you're no longer
a top value now you're just a top performer. That's all.
That's all it is. Visio dot Com slash t v
P you have until now until January fourteenth. Course Spencer
ware wanted last year. Hey man, listen, I'm sure it's
it's a you signed that. The second big deal means
you're gonna be in this league for a long time.
And and after going through with those two nasty it
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NAS concussions, it's great to be rewarded by this franchise.
Can't wait to see you back on the field next year.
And I appreciate you join us on Fox Sports Radio.
Thank you, appreciate pleasures. Ares Davante Adams of the Green
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wherever wherever you can get your podcasts. Colin Cowherd had
this to say about the now retired Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer,
to me, is a Hall of Famer. Now it's close,
it's go either way. Like Philip Rivers, I think they're
both Hall of famers. But I'll give you an example.
What if Carson Palmer had Bill Belichick. So Carson Palmer
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went to USC. His first coach was Paul Hackett. Carson
Palmer had more interceptions than touchdowns under Paul Hackett. Then
he got a better coach, Pete Carroll. He won the Heisman.
He then went to the NFL to the totally absolutely
inarguably dysfunctional Cincinnati Bengals no playoffs fourteen years. Carson Palmer
led them to the playoffs in his second year. Eventually,
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frustrated with the organization, he left to Oakland, which hadn't
been in the playoffs in a decade and was awful.
He got them to eight and eight, and then for
some reason they fired his coach. It was Al Davis,
he was living. It was the Raiders. Then Carson Palmer
goes to the Arizona Cardinals. They were five and eleven
the year before he arrived. They fired the head coach.
He went ten and six. Following year when six and
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oh got hurt, came back and went thirteen and three
and should have been the m v P. What if
Carson Palmer inherited Bill Belichick? Uh, this is the forever
question with all athletes. I mean it forever question. What
if I was put in a better situation, what if
I played for a better coach, what if I had
better players? What if? What if? What if the problem
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with that is we we don't actually know any of
these answers, and when we have seen in the playoffs,
he did get hurt in Cincinnati and he was atrocious
two years ago with the Cardinals for two consecutive games,
and that really was the beginning of the end. I'm
with you. I think there's some Hall of Fame caliber talent,
and you could say he's what twelfth all time in
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passing yards or whatever, but it's not the Hall of Good,
the Hall of great, Hall of Fame, and the Hall
of fame. The Kurt Warner, to me, was more borderline
hall of famer. Kurt Warner had five seasons like we
had never seen before. He also had five seasons which
no Hall of famer should ever have had five terrible seasons.
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So I can't really explain it. I wouldn't have putting
Kurt Warner in, but he did have. He was the
m v P. He did engineer the greatest show on
turf and looks with that in mind, I just I
can't say that I agree, and I don't know anybody
in football who would agree. I'm not saying that there aren't.
Every player has this in their mind. Man, if we
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had we had won this game, I always think we
lost the only eight I had gotten to the Final four,
or if I had gone to a different school and
had the exact same career that I had would if
I went to Duke, I went to Syracuse, would my
career have been different? Or if I had stayed at
Notre Dame and got in trouble, would my career have
been different? I can't answer that. What we're left with
this reality and the reality of his career is had
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a really good career, signed a couple of really big contracts,
and he was a better than average quarterback. But I mean,
let's scoff at the idea that he's in the class
of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, uh, even Philip Rivers, who
at least once upon a time did get to an
an FC championship game. Nick Wright had something interesting to say.
What he did was he put up a blind resume
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of two quarterbacks that played for the champions over the
past two years, the last six games, and said this,
Colin Kapernicks go to Jimmy Garoppolo, but for that same franchise,
Chris Carter, you just said what Jimmy Garoppolo did is
gonna get him five years and twenty five million dollars.
We are now done with the season. Colin Kaepernick finished
his season like that and couldn't get a job. We'll
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never play in the league again. And I know it
has not been a story the last two months. Now
the season's over, we're gonna be turning the page of
the postseason. I just wanted to remind America. But while
we talked about so many non secretaries, so many things
that didn't have to do deal with who's good at football.
Think about the quarterbacks you watched on television this year.
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Think about how many guys were out there getting shots.
I watched the guy named David Fails in Week seventeen
who had a very apropos last name. We watched a
guy named Nate Peterman. We've watched, We've watched this year,
bad quarterback after bad quarterback cost their team games. A
guy who had the exact same passer rating for the
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exact same team over the exact same number of games
final six games as Jimmy Garoppolo cannot get a job
in this league. Yeah, because it's not about stats. It's
about a million different other things. And do I think
the protests are part of it, Sure, But I think
the protests are more of a symptom than a cause.
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That's how I've evolved. Look, it's fascinating to what to
look at stats. But here's the point about stats. There's
an expression in basketball, every bad team has a leading score, right,
So just because you put up stats and puts up
put up numbers when you're given the opportunity at quarterback,
does not a good quarterback or even a competent quarterback make.
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And the fact that we haven't heard from Kaepernick. It's
a position of leadership, of verbal leadership as well as
physical leadership, and his inability to even lead his own
cause is again a symptom of part of the problem.
We don't know and we can guess he didn't want
to be a backup. And if you want to be
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a starter, people don't think he's good enough to be
a starter. That is more of the reason that he's
not in the league. And oh yeah, by the way,
the San Francisco Fortnights were one in five over those
last five six games, not six and out. I am
a convert to the to the Church of Jimmy Dree
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are a foot That are a foot right, that's correct, English,
that are a foot in Green Bay. Um. Also, man,
we got some interesting stuff on Alex Smith on Kirk
Cousins on why maybe you don't want to make the playoffs?
Who uh nick right? Comparing Jimmy Garoppolo to Colin Kaepernick
(01:27):
and stating what I think is the opposite of what
I read into the exact same stats. There's so much
to get to, but let's start with the Cleveland Cavaliers,
who last night gotta win seventeen points in nineteen minutes.
Isaiah Thomas R. Two and the Calves are back, even
(01:48):
though they weren't really gone from anywhere, right they didn't
really They're they're back, but they're not really. They wouldn't
go anywhere regardless of which. Lebron James celebrated his new teammates.
Isaiah Thomas celebrated whose new team and together they're gonna
take down the Warriors. Wait wait, now, look, Isaiah Thomas
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is good, man, He's a good player. Is he twenty
nine a game like last year? Good? Not really? Probably not,
But some of that is the coaching and and and
the pecking order. Um some of that, quite frankly is
uh is the fact that you know, is he gonna
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get the opportunities. Last year Isaiah Thomas average twenty eight
point nine points a game. And what I like in
his addition to the Cleveland Cavaliers is do you remember
and this is not in any way a political statement,
right like, I'm not getting into what worked and what
didn't work. Do you remember the stimulus package? You guys
(02:57):
remember that, right? So when President Bush was in office,
obviously the the economy bottomed out, and then he started
to propose a stimulus package. And when President Obama took office,
the stimulus package I believe passed then. And forgive me
if I don't have the exact details of it, but
we were in bad, bad shape. And so the two
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or three things the government tried to do was they
had the too big to fail idea, right that was
with big companies where like like the auto industry, where
they took equity, they gave money to the auto industry
and they took equity in the auto industry because the
idea was that if the if the big three in
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in Detroit, went under. Just it's not just all of
those jobs would be lost or all of those pensions
would be lost, but there's like all the parts suppliers
from around the country, and there's so many other kind
of ancillary parts. You're like, look, we can't have this.
We got to find a way to support the auto industry.
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They took equity in. The second thing was they pumped
in a bunch of cash to states so that we're
all the roads projects. Some I just got back from
Tulsa with it just now finishing up these roads projects,
and around the country there was all of this what
was it? What is it called the infrastructure right, and
the idea behind funding infrastructure one is it needs to
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always all the bridges, the tunnels and the roads and
all that stuff. But also like you can't outsource that
to people from other countries, whereas if you just give
money to businesses, they're like, hey, cool, thanks, we're gonna
go have our call center in India. Right, So if
it's infrastructure stuff that has to be done by people here,
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so it's a way to artificially kind of stimulate your
local economy. And then this kind of passed out money.
But it wasn't a lot of money. Stimulus package was
a little bit for us as individuals, a little bit
for our states, and a little bit for huge, big businesses.
And we thought all of it was too big to fail.
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And the idea was like, all right, we'll give people.
You've got a hundred bucks in your pocket. Is that
really going to change things now? But it'll make you
one feel a little bit better, and two you go
out and you spend it, and that keeps that store afloat,
the bomb and pop store afloat, keeps everybody kind of working.
As I think everyone knew the economy would kind of
bounce back and turn around, and it did. Has it
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done so on on the type of projection that the
stock market has no But we're clearly in a better
spot now than we were when we when it bottomed out.
Real estate prices have mostly rebound and many have even
exceeded what they were before before we went through, uh,
(05:52):
the economic turmoil. That that's kind of the analogy, the
best analogy I can give you for what we saw
in Cleveland. Isaiah Thomas is going to make Cleveland better.
Isaiah Thomas a good player. Good player. I don't know
if he's twenty nine a game, good like he was
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last year. But I do know that you put him
on a team that has mostly older dudes, and he
had twenty eight in the prime of his career. Coming
up the best season of his life is going to
energize them. Um. But the stimulus package did not fix
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our economy, did it. No? It artificially kind of stimulated
our economy. Um. Kind of like when you like, when
your heart stops, you know your zapp peep peep, right,
Like that doesn't fix whatever caused you to stop breathing
in your heart to stop, but it restarted your heart.
And I don't know if that's not really the type
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of the Cleveland Cavaliers. They weren't desperate, they weren't in despair.
But remember they had Kyrie Irving, who This is one
of those stats that aren't really telling, right he Isaiah
Thomas average more points than Kyrie Irving. Does that make
him a better player than Kyrie Irving? No? Um, I
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mean the different one of the big differences. Kyrie is
six two six three, Isaiah Thomas is five nine at best.
And so while Kyrie doesn't always guard people or rarely
plays defense, the fact is that with his size, strength, length,
he can at least defend people like Isaiah Thomas simply can't. Right,
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There's there's if he gets switched on Kevin Durant, there
is nothing that he can do. Nothing. Kevin Durand's seven
ft tall with long arms. He'll just turn and shoot
over him, turns over most guys. So I kind of
think what happened last night was like a stimulus package.
They lost Kyrie. Kyrie was the burgeoning superstar with the calves.
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He was the one guy who could really get his
own shot at the end of a shot clock, who
could simply take over a game if it wasn't Lebron
James taken over game. Kevin Love can score a lot
of points, but no one's gonna go like, hey, Kevin Love,
let me give you the ball. Everybody clear out. You're
gonna go get us buckets. It's not what he does.
Doesn't mean he's not a very good player. It just
means it's not what he does. So Isaiah Thomas says,
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a more diminutive, differently built player. Uh he's And people
always say, well, like, well, Kyrie average game, he average
twenty nine a game. They're both sort of scoring point guards.
That's kind of one and the same look. I compare
Kyrie Irving and and Isaiah Thomas to my twins. I
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have twin daughters, are eleven years old. One's blonde haired,
ones brown haired. But they're both eleven right, They're both
have the same last name, they both from the same
gene pool. They both love horses. They are completely different
and how they look, how they act, how they view
the world. That's Isaiah Thomas and Kyrie Irving everthough, all
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just one scoring point guard for the next Yeah, one, two, six, three,
great one on one point guard who can use pick
and roll but probably best in ISO situations and is
Uh is a remarkable kind of spurt score and ball handler.
The other one is more of a ball screen dynamic
kind of water bug who finds a way to get
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to the mid range and all the way to the
rack and just changes the pace of a game. They're different.
So I guess what I'm saying is I don't know
whether he is UH the Calves taking equity in in Detroit,
or whether it's the stimulus package presented to individuals or
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two UH state governments, But what it feels like to
me is this is nice. It's a great edition. It
helps you feel better about the Calves are not behind
the Boston Celtics, are not behind the Toronto Raptors, or
the or the the Wizards. But did this make them
better than the Golden State Warriors? Like now, he didn't
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fix the economy. It didn't fix what was wrong and
why they were beating four games to one and easily
could have been beating five games done. If anything, it's
actually kind of more limiting because the way in which
they won that one game in the five game series
was they roughed up the Golden State Warriors. They were
just too tough, too physical. They kind of mugged him.
And I don't know if Isaiah Thomas allows them to
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even do that. Here's Lebron and his new teammate. Did
you get a semblance of how he can impact this
team in the long run? For sure? He's very good,
very good, very dynamic and shoot the peel, can get
into lane, can past the ball. He's gonna just craze
so much for our team. There go, there you go, like, look,
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I think you'll be good for their team. Anyone who
thinks they're not going to be better like, oh, I
don't think they're better. Like you add an out All
star to a team, you had a guy every nine
game to a team, like you're going to be better.
Especially is another ball handler and a guard dominated league.
But it's more stimulus than it is fixing the issue
than it is solving the problem that is the Golden
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State Warriors. That's what it is. Be sure to catch
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and the I Heart Radio app A couple of the
longest streaks or playoff list streaks in the history in
in currently in sports were erased or will be erased
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this upcoming weekend, and the biggest of which the longest
route was in Buffalo with the Bills, who you know, like, look,
when I was younger, I was a kid, Bills went
to four straight Super Bowls. Who would have thought that
it would take them eighteen years to get back to
the playoffs since their last playoff appearance. That's what happened.
What an incredible journey it must be for Richie Incognito,
(12:10):
who joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show here on
Fox sports radio Richie, how are you? I'm doing well, dog?
How are you? Good? Man? All right? So, like, look,
everyone know, everyone remembers I think a portion of how
how you were out of football after the Miami thing.
When you first got to Buffalo, give me your give
me the sense you first show up at the Buffalo
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Bills facility. What was it like? What was your first memory?
You know? I, Uh, I was out a football in
two thousand and fourteen, and I was fortunate enough to
get an opportunity to come play with the Buffalo Bills.
And when I came back here in this was my
sentlesment with the Bills. I had spent a brief a
few week period here on two thousand nine, so I
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was prison building. I knew Eric Wood and knew Kyle Williams. Um.
But that's about it, you know, I was. I was
really just looking to come back in this league and
established myself as a Pro Bowl player. Um, you know,
come back and uh, you know, just fortunate to really
have an opportunity to play the game I love. And
uh it's been a blessing, you know, three Pro Bowls
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in a row. Uh. Playoff berth Um ending the drought
here for the great City of Buffalo. Um, it really
has been a storybook career since coming back and um
and yeah, that's it. Yeah, but I don't know if
it has been Yeah, I guess maybe this story books
because there's been all kinds of ups and downs. Let me,
I see that Sean McDermott comes in, right, comes over
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from Carolina, and then you know, he essentially brings with
him a general manager. So like this is a new
regime and we all, I think, like anybody who's been
in business understands, guys want to bring in their own guys,
guys that they trust or whatever. McDermott comes in and
a lot of the guys that have been brought in
by Rex and his crew and by Doug Wale Whale
they were gone. Did you think at some point that
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you would get a call, hey, man, bring in your playbook? No? Um,
you know is uh it was. It was tense. You know,
you won't any time you go through a culture change,
they're gonna look at the roster top to bottom, inside
it out. Um. But I was looking at you all
the intangibles, everything that everybody brings and uh, Coach McDermott
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and Brandon being they came in, um with a vision,
and they came in with a purpose. And what they've
gone in they've surrounded us with uh fifty three accountable
guys who are hungry, who are students of the game, UM,
who prepare the right way and um and yeah, So
it was it was tumultuous, you know, because we were
(14:38):
losing a lot of a lot of high draft picks,
a lot of guys that have played a long time
around here contributed and um, you know, Coach McDermott and
and being felt that they didn't fit our culture. And uh,
a lot of guys, you know, left a lot of
guys that we had counted on for for many years.
But what I think it did was it galvanized this group.
You know, there was a bunch of noise outside of
(15:00):
tanking and you know, what are the bills doing? And um,
it just brought this group together. And that's what you
see weekend and week out. You just see this group
fighting and scrapping to get wins, all right. But then
you guys lost three in a row. He lost four
to five. They had you know, he tried to start
Petermany as the five picks in the first half against
the Chargers. I mean, look things things went from five
(15:20):
and two and oh my gosh, the Bills are surprised.
The NFL too, Okay, the Bills, Yeah, they're gonna be
you know, they're gonna be drafting a quarterback, drafting high
in the draft. How did you guys right the ship?
Because it wasn't like look, I mean and it with
Miami twice, you had the Indianapolis game went to o
t like it was was was that the moment that
you right of the ship? What? How? How did you
(15:41):
go from tinkering on the brink of what we all
thought was disaster to now back in the playoffs? You know,
just believing, believing in in one another, no one. You
know what we had? Um we had. You know, we
started off five and two, even was feeling good, and
then we got hit with with three in a row.
It started with the Jets game on Thursday night, continue
to the uh scenes game and then I believe after
(16:04):
the scenes game it was possibly New England at Home
or whatever it was. It was, it was three in
a row, and you know it was It was a
turning point in the season where a lot of people
could have just packed it in. You know, people that
may have been here before that that really don't fit.
You know, the mold may have been packing it in,
you know, may have been you know, starting to point fingers.
You know, all that stuff starts festering. But with the
(16:26):
group that we have in the group of individuals, uh,
just rock solid, accountable, scrappy guys with a chip on
their shoulder. We just kept staying together. We kept hanging together,
We kept blocking out the outside noise, We kept focusing
on what we can control, and we right at the ship.
We we we we got on a run and we
finished the season on a high note. Yeah, I mean
(16:47):
it helped you playing that white out game? What was
that like? Remember that? We remember the Shade McCoy thing.
We're like, is he gonna get swallowed up by the
snow or we actually make it to the end zone.
I remember watching that and it was you know, in overtime,
you guys decided to punt with I don't know, like
four or four and a half minutes together, like what
are they doing? Are they waiving? Are they playing for
the tie? And turns out you got the ball back
(17:07):
and got in position for that game winning score. Like
that ends up being the game. That kind of turned
turned the thing around. Yeah, it was. It wasn't uh
you know, it was. It was Uh, it was crazy,
you know, because you go out and you plan and
prepare all week to go play a team and you
have you know, you know, hours and hours and days
and days of preparation and then Boom Stadium gets hit
(17:30):
with a snowstorm and literally the entire game plant goes
out the window, all sorts of technique, everything goes out
the window, and it's basically a wrestling match with you
and the guy in front of you, and um, you
know like that that. I think that was a huge
turning point for us. You know, we get been losing
uh you know, snowy day, you know, record snowfall. It's
just a crap day. And we could have packed it in.
(17:52):
We could have could have tucked our tails, lost Indianapolis,
lost the rest of the season and continue to drought. Um,
but we didn't. You know, we're stuck together. We we
persevered and we just kept punching Indianapolis with one punch,
then the game asked had another punch, and we just
kept we kept swinging, and now we find ourselves in
the playoffs at nine and seven. Okay, but you're in
the locker room and you guys were watching and you
(18:14):
end up watching the the Ravens first. You know, the
Bengals give up a big lead than the Ravens have
the lead in the Bengal score in a late touchdown.
Like of all the experiences that you've had, and you've
had a lot uh tow for you personally to go
into Miami knowing how that thing, how that thing ended
to get a win in Miami, and then to watch
(18:34):
and to be part of Buffalo you've been with before,
like I, like you mentioned storybook, It is a story book.
So often times when we think of storybook careers, is
everything just going perfectly. Everything hasn't gone perfectly for you,
but it's been perfectly imperfect in terms of the culmination
last Sunday night, it really has. It's it's imperfectly imperfect
up until this point. Um, And yeah, it was crazy.
(18:56):
You know, we we knew we had to go down
on handle business. We weren't. I wasn't going to let
myself get wrapped up in all the playoffs scenarios. And
this guy needs this team needs to be this team
and this and this and this and this and the
tie breakers. Um, I just knew we had to focus
on Miami and we had to go down there and
get a win. And um, you know they're tough down there.
They just beat the brakes off the Patriots down there
in prime time. Um, you know, they have a ton
(19:18):
of talent. You know, they're they're not playing up to it.
They're kind of playing up and down. So our job
was to beat Miami. And then once we beat Miami,
then I was looking at the scoreboard. Then we ran
in the locker room. We were watching it. It was
like it was surreally, you know, fourth and twelve and
he Dalton throws one up, uh to some guy I've
never heard of, and uh, next thing, you know, he
needs to move in. He's in the end zone and
(19:40):
warn the playoffs and uh, just fortunate man. You know, Uh,
coach mcdermotts done a good job of setting the table
for this team and keep the guy's focused. But I mean,
for it was from the time he's got here, we've
just been talking and working all this stuff into existence.
You know, there was a point in the season when
he was just telling us, you know, keep chopping, guys,
(20:00):
keep pounding because you guys are part of the greatest
turnaround in sports history. This is a big challenge of Jacksonville.
They they call it Saxonville, right, tremendous, tremendous defensive front.
And this is one of those games. I know it's
football cliche to say it's going to be decided in
the trenches, but in Jacksonville, between your team to your
offensive line, their defensive line, isn't that what decides this game?
(20:23):
It really is. Yeah, they have a they have a
incredibly dominant front seven. They have linebackers that can run
and hit, they have a back end that can cover. Um.
The roster is littered with first round picks, high price
free agents. Um, it's about time, you know, it really
is about time that Jacksonville finally put it all together.
You know, we played them last year here in Buffalo
(20:45):
and they came in I think they were two or
three win team at the time, and you're going down
the roster. They have studs at literally every position, Like,
when are they going to put it together? And and
this year you've seen him put it together. You know, Uh,
suffocating defense, taking the ball away, giving the offense, uh
great feel position. Um, so everything really does start up
front with those guys, and uh, for us to have
(21:06):
a chance to win this game, we gotta control them. Richie,
listen for you personally, I can't congratulate you enough. It's
been awesome to watch you have a re emergence of
your of your stellar career. And obviously for your team.
I think there's a lot of kind of closet Buffalo
bill fans or people who just like my team suck
for a long time too, and so you end up
rooting for just rooting for the Bills even if you're
(21:28):
not a Bills fan, because you like the story of
the Bills, and yeah, you want to see him beat
Jacksonville this weekend. Thanks so much for joining us on
Fox Sports radiumn Okay, thanks for having me Alright's Richie
incognito joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports
Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Is anyone
(21:49):
completely and thoroughly convinced that Tyrod Taylor is the long
term answer Tyrod Taylor. How many chtowns you think he's
thrown for this year? Anythink seven. Oh, come on, dude,
is that too many? That's too few? Okay, you made
it sound like it's a done, But so I figured
(22:11):
he started fifteen games, Okay, started fifteen games for them,
started fifteen the past two years, fourteen the year before that.
How many touchdown pass you think? Let's say, let's say seventeen. Okay,
what do you think music, I'll go under that. I'll
(22:31):
go sixteen fourteen touchdown passes. Now, Look, he's a dynamic runner.
He ran for over five hundred two years ago, five
eighty last year, four seven this year, five point one
yards to carry, has four rushing touchdowns. He's average about
five rushing touchdowns a year. This is his fewest passing
touchdowns since he's become a starter. Like, Tyrod Taylor is fine,
(22:53):
But if you think Tyrod Taylor is a guy who
can just get you into the playoffs, like that's who
he is. He's the same guy who threw for sixty
five yards against the Patriots, So everything else around him
has to be so good. You gotta save so much
money if you're gonna keep Tyrod Taylor. And I guess
the question is, had they not made the playoffs, would
(23:15):
they be looking for a quarterback and the answer is yeah,
I think so. And now that they made the playoffs,
are they still not? Are they gonna not look for
the for a quarterback? And I don't know they answered that.
I mean, I think what's gonna happen to? Peoplere gonna go, Well,
let's see how they play. Why you know who Tyrod
Taylor is. That's what happened with Joe Flacco. A right,
(23:36):
Joe Flacco is on the biggest contract in the history
of the league because he won the Super Bowl. It's
like sometimes sometimes winning deceives you. It's a lot like
when you have a bad relationship, right, and then you
go out and you have this great night out, great
night in, right, Like you wake up the next morning,
(23:58):
they're still the same person that you argue with that
you don't fit with mentally, Right, you're kind of frugal.
They buy everything. You know, you like to you like
to be around people. They don't you like rap and
hip hop, she likes rock, like just you're just not
(24:18):
wired to kind of mess and blend together. But you
had this one night out, such a good time. He
has both got a little tank filled, a little frisky.
It was awesome, But is that really Does that change
your relate? Is that change the dynamic of your relationship?
Not really? And guys will be like, well, I'm not
emotional about yeah, you are, like you're a Bill fan,
like right now, Bills fans like they're sky high, like
(24:41):
this is awesome. We made the playoffs, Like, all right,
you beat the coltson overtime in the Snow Bowl, then
you beat the Dolphins to the last three weeks. That's like,
I don't think the Jags are The Jags are sold
on Blake Bortles. If they don't make a move for
a corpmate, shame on them. So I think it's gonna
(25:03):
be fascinating to see how much how much um the
power of the playoffs deceives, not just the fan basis,
but the front office of some of these teams. And
we saw with Dad last year. I told you, like,
that's not that good. They played us off schedule. They
(25:25):
had an incredible running game and everything went right. Now
things go wrong, and can your quarterback keep your floating?
His The answer was new no. He could not be
sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. No Packers
this year, and some of it is defense, and there's
(25:47):
been there's gonna be a lot of personnelity. Dom Caper's
retires fired whatever, Ted Thompson, their gentlemanager kicked upstairs. Uh.
But even though the season was a disappointment, I think
back to back quality seasons for our next guest, we're
rightly rewarded. Davanta Adam sign a new contract um shortly
(26:07):
before the end of the season. He gets rewarded for
back to back big, big seasons. And Uh, I gotta
ask you, Davante, like, we'll get to the contract and
how you feel about that versus not playing the playoffs.
But what's it like to not be preparing to play
in the playoffs this weekend? Man? It's it's a tough feeling.
(26:29):
It's a feeling that many of us in that locker
room are familiar with the playoffs a year straight and
you know, it's my fourth year for four years in
the league. I've been three times, so it was definitely
unfamiliar feeling. But it's something that we can learn from.
So I'm just trying to you know, take whatever lesson
we can out of this. UM, just grow, I become
better next year. Okay, So how do you balance out
(26:51):
the disappointment of this year with the excitement of being
rewarded so handsomely with your new contract. I mean, it's
it's it's pretty easy at this at this point with
kind of seeing the way things have been going. We
knew we weren't going to the playoffs and turned this
past game. So it's kind of, UM starts a rejuvenating
and uh, you know, rebuilding process mentally at least, UM
for me, getting this getting this deal done is something that, UM,
(27:15):
it's really important to me obviously, and it's and it's
important that I stay here in Green Bay. So to
have that done it off my shoulders. I know, it
just makes me more more excited to move into next
year so I can get to work and uh, we
can get back on track. What was your reaction to
the front office move where Ted Thompson's moved upstairs and
there's gonna be a new general manager. Um, I was.
I was a little shocked, but you know it was
(27:35):
something whatever whatever we're doing in that place to to
you know further, UM, make these make things moving and grow.
I'm all for it. Obviously a lot of respect for
Ted for taking a shot on me. I mean, he's
one of the biggest reasons why I'm even a Green
Bay packer of the day. So you know, without him,
who knows where I would have u ended up. But
(27:56):
um so a lot of respect for him for that,
you know, And I know he will be excited about
whatever it is that he's uh going to be doing now.
All right. So look, you had your breakout nearly thousand
yards season going back last year twelve touchdown campaign, and
then of course you backed it up with five yards
ten touchdowns and only four teen games. You had the
two concussions. He didn't have a rod part of the season.
You've gone from a guy who you have freak athleticism
(28:20):
and one of those guys was, man, why isn't he
better too? Oh? Okay, now he is what we thought
he could be. Like, what what has allowed you to
evolve into this type of player? Being healthy? Being healthy
is the main thing is something that you know with
my skill setting, man, but I kind of rely on
the beat. The elite is my quickness and my you know,
(28:41):
my suddenness and things like that. Awful line of scrimmage
within my routes and being technical and having a bum
ankle for fifteen definitely uh took a lot of that
ability away from me. So to be in a position
where now I'm healthy and I think I just play
without thinking about an injury, without worrying about whatever is.
It just allows you to go off and play care
free and and uh display fast. And that's the biggest
(29:03):
thing for me, being able to play fast and not
worry about them something lingering that's only connecting help in
the back. I feel like so healthy talking botton ball.
The other thing is guys taking his youth point out
militia's shots at you coming across the middle. Right, that's
had two concussions this year, Um, what's the what's a
reasonable way? You know, like because defensive guys like, look,
they lower their target area, we don't know where to
(29:24):
hit them, and like, what's a what's a reasonable way
to take some of these hits out of football while
still keeping the fact that it is tackle foo black?
What's what's reasonable from your perspective? From my perspective, Uh,
I mean, I think the biggest and the easiest and
to do is you start reviewing those things, um, and
if a guy's hit in the head like I was,
(29:47):
either time that the guy whoever hever committed to foul
should be out as long as whoever you know, If
I'm out for five games, then they should miss five
games without paying. It's just the way it goes, and
it should be the same way. If I go down
and take off the safety say that when he's not looking,
and I, you know, you hold him with with my
helmet the crown of my helmet, the same thing, I
still received the same punishment. So it's not an offensive
(30:08):
defensive things, a player safetic thing. So if we don't
police that and start reviewing things or tossing guys out
of games, and it's not gonna it's not gonna get better.
So we just have to do that. I feel like
we can start to give rid of those its the
only the only let me, let me play the devil's advocate.
The only counter argument to that is sometimes there are
malicious hits that don't end up in that type of injury. Right.
(30:28):
Sometimes guys get lucky they miss even though they're out
there head hunting and everybody knows their head hunting um
and looks saying some times guys get you know, guys
get fortunate with it. You know, they don't they don't
suffer a concussion like I don't know. I almost feel
like there should be some sort of player review board,
like I I know that they've had. I think Derrick
Brooks now reviews some of the hits. Of course, being
(30:48):
a former linebacker, he has a good sense Merton Hanks
did it beforehand. But is there is there a way
to have like a kangaroo court of current football players
that can on a Monday sit down or just on
their phone have hits sent to them and be a
way to kind of the league police itself by itself.
I mean, that's that's that's definitely something that could be done.
(31:10):
But then you can run into the bias and all that.
You know, people have guys they're friends with and and
they I mean that can go that was certainly playing
to it. If it's one of my best friends committed
a foul um, I could definitely be more inclined to say, hey, okay,
well you know, it wasn't that bad, you know, Or
when I'm leaving off the field after the time as
Davids hit, I got fans and people screaming at me
(31:31):
and didn't even get hit that hard, but it had
something happened like that, you know, their guys and to
be a whole different story. So, um, you know, it's
hard to control that and it's gonna be tough to
police in either way. But uh, you know, I definitely
see both sides of it. It's it's it's tough for
them to know exactly where they hit someone, but it's
pretty easy that not he was the crown in your
helmet and maliciously take a guy out, uh, populated or not?
(31:54):
Adams joining us on the Doug Gotlib Show here on
on Fox Sports Radio. Help us out with the Minnesota Vikings.
That defense looks nasty. You guys saw it twice this year.
What's your sense of what makes it special? What what
is it as we get ready for the playoffs? A
team that that as now I believe the favorite to
come out of the NFC. What makes that defense a
(32:16):
special defense? The main things they just worked so well together.
I mean they're all on the same day. They communicated
really well. They got a lot of great individual players,
A lot of respect for Perhaps and I got a
lot of respect for David um, and some of those
guys that you know, everything up front they got they
got guys at every position, Um that are elite, so
love that. And you have standout guys and maybe even
(32:37):
multiple Uh you know, I hadn't feeling during his spin
this year and digs my guy to um. You know,
it's just a lot of weapons all over the place,
and when you work together, it's pretty tough to beat that.
Now here's what I'm struggling with. Right, So you're top
You're up for the Top Value Performer award, that's the
t v p on on behalf of video. But your
value this year was more on your old contract because
(32:58):
like right now, like you just got paid, dude, so
you're not you still have value, but like now you're
a highly paid, super talented, super productive wide receiver. So
what you you gotta you gotta sell me on the
fact that your top value performing. Like yo, I was
playing this whole year through two concussions on my old contract.
Yeah yeah, old deal and I was going to rookie deal.
(33:19):
Just happened this this dudes, this happened less than a
week ago. So, um, every every every single yard I
put up, every catch this year was under that deal,
and uh, you know, it's good to have that. That
kind of weighed off my shoulders that it's done. But
I was performing under a rookie deal before and I
feel like I did at a high level. So, uh,
that definitely been my campaign. But it's definitely things have
(33:39):
changed over the past few days. Yeah, you're no longer
a top value now you're just a top performer. That's all.
That's all it is. Visio dot Com slash t v
P you have until now until January fourteenth. Course Spencer
ware wanted last year. Hey man, listen, I'm sure it's
it's a you signed that. The second big deal means
you're gonna be in this league for a long time.
And and after going through with those two nasty it
(34:01):
NAS concussions, it's great to be rewarded by this franchise.
Can't wait to see you back on the field next year.
And I appreciate you join us on Fox Sports Radio.
Thank you, appreciate pleasures. Ares Davante Adams of the Green
Bay Packs. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Radio app and now sorry, So we do this daily
(34:25):
in the Doug got Leaps Show. I like to bring
back something I heard earlier on Fox Sports Radio, whether
it's Serious sex M Channel eighty three or two oh two,
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(34:47):
wherever wherever you can get your podcasts. Colin Cowherd had
this to say about the now retired Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer,
to me, is a Hall of Famer. Now it's close,
it's go either way. Like Philip Rivers, I think they're
both Hall of famers. But I'll give you an example.
What if Carson Palmer had Bill Belichick. So Carson Palmer
(35:09):
went to USC. His first coach was Paul Hackett. Carson
Palmer had more interceptions than touchdowns under Paul Hackett. Then
he got a better coach, Pete Carroll. He won the Heisman.
He then went to the NFL to the totally absolutely
inarguably dysfunctional Cincinnati Bengals no playoffs fourteen years. Carson Palmer
led them to the playoffs in his second year. Eventually,
(35:32):
frustrated with the organization, he left to Oakland, which hadn't
been in the playoffs in a decade and was awful.
He got them to eight and eight, and then for
some reason they fired his coach. It was Al Davis,
he was living. It was the Raiders. Then Carson Palmer
goes to the Arizona Cardinals. They were five and eleven
the year before he arrived. They fired the head coach.
He went ten and six. Following year when six and
(35:54):
oh got hurt, came back and went thirteen and three
and should have been the m v P. What if
Carson Palmer inherited Bill Belichick? Uh, this is the forever
question with all athletes. I mean it forever question. What
if I was put in a better situation, what if
I played for a better coach, what if I had
better players? What if? What if? What if the problem
(36:17):
with that is we we don't actually know any of
these answers, and when we have seen in the playoffs,
he did get hurt in Cincinnati and he was atrocious
two years ago with the Cardinals for two consecutive games,
and that really was the beginning of the end. I'm
with you. I think there's some Hall of Fame caliber talent,
and you could say he's what twelfth all time in
(36:38):
passing yards or whatever, but it's not the Hall of Good,
the Hall of great, Hall of Fame, and the Hall
of fame. The Kurt Warner, to me, was more borderline
hall of famer. Kurt Warner had five seasons like we
had never seen before. He also had five seasons which
no Hall of famer should ever have had five terrible seasons.
(37:02):
So I can't really explain it. I wouldn't have putting
Kurt Warner in, but he did have. He was the
m v P. He did engineer the greatest show on
turf and looks with that in mind, I just I
can't say that I agree, and I don't know anybody
in football who would agree. I'm not saying that there aren't.
Every player has this in their mind. Man, if we
(37:23):
had we had won this game, I always think we
lost the only eight I had gotten to the Final four,
or if I had gone to a different school and
had the exact same career that I had would if
I went to Duke, I went to Syracuse, would my
career have been different? Or if I had stayed at
Notre Dame and got in trouble, would my career have
been different? I can't answer that. What we're left with
this reality and the reality of his career is had
(37:44):
a really good career, signed a couple of really big contracts,
and he was a better than average quarterback. But I mean,
let's scoff at the idea that he's in the class
of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, uh, even Philip Rivers, who
at least once upon a time did get to an
an FC championship game. Nick Wright had something interesting to say.
What he did was he put up a blind resume
(38:06):
of two quarterbacks that played for the champions over the
past two years, the last six games, and said this,
Colin Kapernicks go to Jimmy Garoppolo, but for that same franchise,
Chris Carter, you just said what Jimmy Garoppolo did is
gonna get him five years and twenty five million dollars.
We are now done with the season. Colin Kaepernick finished
his season like that and couldn't get a job. We'll
(38:27):
never play in the league again. And I know it
has not been a story the last two months. Now
the season's over, we're gonna be turning the page of
the postseason. I just wanted to remind America. But while
we talked about so many non secretaries, so many things
that didn't have to do deal with who's good at football.
Think about the quarterbacks you watched on television this year.
(38:48):
Think about how many guys were out there getting shots.
I watched the guy named David Fails in Week seventeen
who had a very apropos last name. We watched a
guy named Nate Peterman. We've watched, We've watched this year,
bad quarterback after bad quarterback cost their team games. A
guy who had the exact same passer rating for the
(39:10):
exact same team over the exact same number of games
final six games as Jimmy Garoppolo cannot get a job
in this league. Yeah, because it's not about stats. It's
about a million different other things. And do I think
the protests are part of it, Sure, But I think
the protests are more of a symptom than a cause.
(39:32):
That's how I've evolved. Look, it's fascinating to what to
look at stats. But here's the point about stats. There's
an expression in basketball, every bad team has a leading score, right,
So just because you put up stats and puts up
put up numbers when you're given the opportunity at quarterback,
does not a good quarterback or even a competent quarterback make.
(39:53):
And the fact that we haven't heard from Kaepernick. It's
a position of leadership, of verbal leadership as well as
physical leadership, and his inability to even lead his own
cause is again a symptom of part of the problem.
We don't know and we can guess he didn't want
to be a backup. And if you want to be
(40:13):
a starter, people don't think he's good enough to be
a starter. That is more of the reason that he's
not in the league. And oh yeah, by the way,
the San Francisco Fortnights were one in five over those
last five six games, not six and out. I am
a convert to the to the Church of Jimmy Dree
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