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What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Whoever you
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Temecula to Escandido, all the way down to Powway. We
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might have been working on Facebook maybe maybe, I mean,
did you guys see Paul Skins yesterday? Did anybody follow
this Paul Skeins, who is the number one overall pick
two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time?
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And I think forty seven starts hit allowed seven hits.
You're like, wow, still shut out the Reds, Still shout
out the Reds. He is so good. Like the juxtaposition
of how how good schemes is and how bad the
pirates are is really remarkable, right, it's can you imagine? Yeah?
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I can. Actually I remember Michael Jordan when he first
came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't
mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the now. You have people
who look back and they're like, Jordan didn't win anything
without Skyt Pippen. Okay, either state that you were alive
when Jordan dominated the NBA and and you choose to
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change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive,
you didn't know, and so you're just repeating what stupid
people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting
beat by the Pistons, and they would punk Michael Jordan.
They would punk Scottie Pippenny had a Migraine. Scotty was
a great number two, really good, really good player. Let
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let let's not act like it's not like he was
anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know,
not close. Yeah, Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass,
putting a different offense when the double teams had come,
learned to trust this team. In part of it was
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the teams weren't very good and then they grew and got better.
But people say dumb stuff all the time, and you know,
you could say, like, well, Paul Skains are all what baseball?
Baseball somehow is the only sport in which you can
be awesome and your team to stay. And people are like, eh,
I know, I do have a Paul Skiens thing to
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get to a little a little bit later on the show.
But let's let let's start with Shadoor Sanders, who is
going to get the start for the Browns in their
preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest
of the guys, but expect them to go operate. When
you get in these preseason games, you try to keep
it very simple so that guys can play fast, all
concepts that our players know and can kind of not
think too much and just play ball.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, and just play ball. Now. The sale of Shador
Sanders is that this is what his entire career was
built upon, right or built built in readiness for He
trained with Tom Brady, he started at Jackson State and
kind of built up so he has the volume of
reps four years as a starter, two years in one
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double A and uh and two years in the in
the Big twelve or one year in the pack of
one year in the Big twelve. And he's got a
lot of starts under his belt and he's studied with
the best, and so he's ready and so none of
this stuff is hard for him. But I I just
there is no middle right because the likelihood is you'll
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watch him night be like, oh, there's some good because
he's not terrible, and there's some things like, yeah, you
gotta clean it up. He's not a great athlete, but
he's not a bad athlete. You know, he's got really
good touch, very accurate. Not really it doesn't really have
a laser outside the numbers, but there's there's there's a
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lot there and there's some stuff missing and maybe it
gets exposed tonight. Maybe it doesn't, but it will. I mean,
we all know how this works. It will be all
or nothing. It will be the Browns need to just
drop everything and start Shadoor Sanders or this is a joke.
His dad, you know, put sh him to a level
above his level of competency. Why are we talking about
the first round? It's a big night for mel kiper
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Junior not gonna lie to you, like Mel almost put
down his entire like reputation on like what is going on, which,
by the way, just shows I love Mel. Mel was
always a gentleman to work with. But a lot of
the people that he used to have an in with
in the NFL, they've they've aged out. And anyone who's
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been in the NFL now knows that Georg Sanders was
a clown in the interviews. And what does that matter, Well,
no one else was a clown. All right, job interview,
You're get a clown job interview. So and it's not
like he's the perfect prospect. He's not bad, but let's
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not act like he's Josh Allen. And even Josh Allen,
who was flawed coming out of college, didn't act or
behave the way that Sheeor Sanders is reported to have act.
But this is we were told, Hey, he's trained with Brady,
his mental game is far ahead of everybody else. He's
playing the preseason. He's not going to see a bunch
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of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer. He's clutch. It's legendary.
Okay to anyone who says are they're they're setting him
up for a failure. Okay, do you think you have
a better chance of succeeding in the NFL in a
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preseason game playing with because I don't think you'll play
with many starters, but playing with ones and twos or
playing with threes and fours and fives? What do you think? Right,
there's a reason that the end of the end of
preseason games can just look raggedy because you have dudes
that aren't going to be in the NFL this year.
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Who would you rather have blocking for him? The second
string left tackle or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe.
I mean, here's Mark Dominic, former general manager in the
in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked
him last hour about the what's the chances that the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers want to see him of excuse me
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that the Cleveland Browns, Mark was the general manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. That the Cleveland Browns want to
see Chador fail.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No one sets a guy up to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there. So he falls on his face. Like,
no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick.
And I know at shaduor Sanders and people are like,
oh this is you know, look, they already drafted a
quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got
the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately.
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The problem is what you said that there's been a
lot of injuries and he's found a way to get
healthier faster than all the other guys. And you know,
there's a great opportunity. You know it doesn't you know,
there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization is like,
let's put Shador out there so he looks terrible when
he fails. No one's thinking that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Agreed. Agreed, Now what does success and what does failure
look like? Right? Like he'll be able to be under
center and throw a football. This is a lot like
the discussion with so many guys. Well I can't throw
the deep ball. Well it doesn't mean you can't throw
the ball deep down the field, but can you throw
a deep out? You know, can you be on the
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move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball
where you're gonna get your guy put in the hospital
and forgive me, you know, dog pound since nineteen sixty
nine on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's
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really important. So I am. I'm interested, And he said,
we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much.
We're gonna do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other
thing about being a starter is just easier to script
plays scriptum. So you come in, get right after him.
You're gonna look better than you probably are. We have
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no idea if schet or Sanders is a starting galliber
quarterback in the NFL. Neither do you you know, because
we could sit there and go, hey, well, you know
he this level of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot
of it was dinking up ard throwing to the best
player in college football. They did have an outstanding wide
receiving core. He holds on the ball a little bit long,
and it was made. It was astb exacerbated by the
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fact that he had a poorous offensive line. But let's
not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and
see the all twenty two and we know we're looking
at thought he was a good college quarterback. Thought he
got away with some stuff because you know he had
the ball a lot. And remember this is also the
first game he's going to play where his dad's not
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a head coach. Think about that for a second, right,
first game you're gonna play, it's in the NFL, you're
a preseason starter, and it's the first time you look
over there, and Pops doesn't have the head set on
like his dad Coachman Hwei. So I don't know if
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he's any good. I think he's okay. I think he's fine.
I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a
great arm, and I don't think he's a great athlete.
But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed
because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap
for a couple of years and have a chance to
rebuild this franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste
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of time in Deshaun Watson. But just because you want
him to be a guy, or you want Dylan Gabriel,
but it doesn't mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much.
But they don't want to see him fail. There are
people that want to see him fail. I don't think
they're members of the Cleveland Browns organization.
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Doug Golliban for Collin, this is the Herd, Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Let's talk some college football.
Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pate's College
Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if
you don't know about his show, do yourself evor Google,
and you can just indulge and just be like, oh,
here we go, I'm ready, Josh. You know, I part
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of this is watching last year in some of the
surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it
is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of
it is just kind of being an observer of college sports.
But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what
they have and so a lot of these preseason predictions
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sort of wasteful. Right, Yeah, are you in the same boat?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah? Man, Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk
to you on this Friday. I always thought this okay
about college football has always kind of been that way.
But let me just give you one extreme off the
charts anecdote to hammer home your points. Barry Odom just
took over the Purdue job. All right, Barry oti have
had a good year last year at UNLV. Purdue was terrible.
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He takes over the perdue job. You know, in football,
it used to take a minimum of what two, probably
three years to turn over your roster Barry's going to
have one hundred and five scholarship players in fall. Eighty
three of them are new Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia.
I think seventy or seventy one of his one to
oh five are going to be new like they were
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not there last year. So that's your freshman class enrolling,
and that's like twenty five kids and the rest of
them are portals. So with that as the backdrop, I
ask you, Doug Gottlieb, how in the world am I
supposed to know anything about anyone? And then you've got
Carson Beck. I mean this time last year, if you
and I were talking, we would have been talking about
that kid and whether he was going to be the
number one overall quarterback taking in the draft after he
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probably challenges for the Heisman en route to Georgia playing
for a national title, and none of that happens. And
now's at Miami, and how am I supposed to know
what to expect down there? The highlight game of Week
one is Texas and Ohio State, both I think out
of the top seventy five in returning production numbers. How
am I supposed to know what to expect there? Here's
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the beauty. I've never been one of these anti preseason
poll guys. I've never been one of these anti predictions guys.
I am just the kind of guy that wants to
do all that, but do it in very light pencils,
cause you cannot ignore week one in week two just
because you took six months to build up predictions and
you're not coming off of them. You've got to be
ready to pivot on a dime on this stuff, because
you're right, dude, half the coaching staff don't even know
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what they have, so I certainly don't know what they are.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.
That's the other part, Like they're new and they and
they don't have spring games anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Hey, I'll tell you another thing though, I was I
was listening to some of the stuff we had done
in spring with some of these coaches this morning, and
some of it was on record, like a lot of
it was off record, And a lot of the off
the record talk, especially in football right now, is about
how many coaches, like, yeah, you're right, there are new.
There's new coaching staff turn all over the place every year.
But there are a lot of people who point blank
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have their jobs this year that would not have previously
had their jobs because buyout number is too big a
knock on the payroll now, and the payroll's real now
because you have to pay the players and so it's
not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and
account for things. And so I mean, Billy Napier at Florida,
if we're ten years ago, does Billy even survive last year?
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Does he make it through the season, Well, he did
because of the new constraints, and well in the hold
he may have a top ten team this year. I
think it was like I mean, it's like a small
handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs.
And that's been a league perennially where half the league
turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or
new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is
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some newness in coaching spots there, but there's also a
really healthy amount of guys that have been given a
stay of execution, if.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
You will, maybe one more year.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
And the truth skill, if you want to talk about
being predictive, is go find the guy that was one
year away all along, and because he's been given that
one more year is going to make it.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Pop because of that, Well, the hard part about trying
to make a pop is you'll take some you'll take
some risky guys and the risk there's risk and reward
in it. And again you're just kind of holding your
breath that the phone doesn't ring in the middle of
the night. Josh Pay join us the Josh Paid College
Football Show. He joins us here in the hurd him
Doug Gottliet filling in for Colin Archie Manning is like
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arch is gonna be at Texas for you know, two
more seasons this year next year. Do you buy it?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Yes? I that's that's been the talk around him since
he got there. I so if I don't buy it,
it's just me calling him a bald face liar, and
I don't think they are. Now. He could just explode
this year and be projected number one overall, and of
course you got a choice to make at that point.
I am not applying those kind of expectations to him. Now.
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This is you know me personally, the market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good with flashes of elite and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is conventional. Archie manny
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talking about that chief among them, his thought process, in
the way he gets to handle himself because of what
his last name is, chief among them. But how I
was trying to think about this, Maybe you come up
with an answer, because I don't have one. When is
the last time that we had known a kid for
over half a decade? Six years we've known arch Manning sophomore, junior,
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senior year in high school, first second, now third year
at Texas, and it's six years in before he's the
full time starter. People have been talking about this dude
over half a decade, like fully formed opinions, and we
hadn't even seen him be listed as the number one
quarterback in Texas yet. So you want to talk about
expectations like you asked me a few minutes ago, Think
about how many hard boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions
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people have of him without ever seeing him play entire
six game stretches of a season before. I don't know
that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone. And
I guess it would have to be a famous last
name for a kid who had even mattered as a
sophomore in high school like you did.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean, obviously,
we don't cover up most kids in high school unless
they're you know, Tebow a little bit because he was
part of the reality show back in the day, that
may have been the one. And but then he played
right away, although he wasn't a full time starter probably
what till year three, Right, So there's a.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Huh, that's it.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've
been hyped and then they started it just so happens.
Texas had the situation they had.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, and and two. I think it was Nick sab
But who was it who said, if he's so good,
why was he the backup to a to like a
six round pick. And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow
couldn't you know, couldn't crack the code to Ohio State.
I mean, heck you go back and Josh Field, Well,
I mean if it was a Fields couldn't crack the
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code at Georgia because because it's really hard to replace
an incumbent who's a good, solid college quarterback regardless of
your upside. So I don't I don't actually buy that
that sort of argument, if you will. Speaking of Texas,
they play Ohio State first game of the year, right,
what should we we know? There's a lot we don't know.
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What do we know about the matchup?
Speaker 6 (19:23):
You know that the caliber of athlete is going to
be high level. That's where the floor is baked in
pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean,
there's one thing you can do, and that's just, hey,
I know they've recruited top five classes, all right, and
then you're viewing that from fifty thousand feet. You could
zoom in maybe twenty thousand feet and you could go
buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with
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the names, or you could zoom in in the weeds
and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on
its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had
to backfill, departing starters to the NFL Draft because of
and that could be an issue now. It could be
the if they remain unscathed the rest of the way
they're okay, But I mean Texas is aren't in a
position where they can't afford any more attrition really along
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the offensive line. Now I say that, Doug, and if
you were to hit the rewind button on me, I
would have been saying the same thing about Notre Dame
this time last year. And they go into college Station
Week one against what should have been a ferocious edge rush,
and they win. And then they keep on suffering attrition
and keep on reloading at offensive line, and they go
on to play for a national title. So really, what
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it comes down to is not so much the players
you're gonna have. And I don't say that to mean
players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that you
recruited and I trust that you developed. And Texas did
not hit the portal in the offensive line, by the way,
and I was there in the spring, and I can
tell you firsthand looking at them in the eye, they
trust the guys they have in house. Did you coach
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your tail off well enough? Like did you get your
team ready? Did you prepare? And also then from my viewpoint,
I'm sitting over here on the other side of the lens,
I've got to ask myself, is it possible I see
a totally different version of either of those teams week
one than I will week nine. The answer is almost
a definitive yes. So you gotta be careful not to
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fly off the handle because everyone's gonna go into that scene,
you know as well as I do that Saturday morning,
everyone's gonna say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game.
It could be thirty three to ten, someone could be
minus four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's gonna be
a great game. I'll probably go so I trust that
it will be, but you just gotta be careful. Man.
That knee jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous
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poison to drink in Week one.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.
Last year, I said thought Oklahoma was the most interesting,
and they, you know, you go and get a kid
who's supposed to be the next, you know, god includes
Heisman Trophy winner, and he started all the first what
three games, and then they pull him. Now he's somewhere
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else in the sec What happens with Oklahoma this year?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Sky high on him? I mean, that's the one where
I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bets.
I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be
a top ten caliber team. Now I say that statement
absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But
I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program
last year. I believe they had a terminal flaw in
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a program and a roster that was otherwise built to whim.
And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you
what else they did. Not only did they go get
John Mattiat quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in.
Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as
they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit
me up and say, I don't know if you know
that guy or not, but he's a stud. He's the
real deal, So I trust them. I trust him. I
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legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,
but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt
last year, should be good to go this year. They
really attacked wide receiver in the portal, and they overhauled there.
They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end. I think in
the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of
the issues, but they didn't have many dogs. They needed
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to address one core issue and they did. Those are
three top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.
Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top
of each other. I think they are very, very primed
to be the surprise team in the SEC this year,
and they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of
I think the first four weeks of the year. I
expect them to go into the red River game against
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Texas undefeated.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would
be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest.
I'm Doug gottliefiling for Collins the Herd, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and
they start to set the world on fire. And then
all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start
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they start the remodel. Where are they?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, It's
so funny. His name was tied to the LSU job.
And then he takes the USC job, and then Brian
Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made
critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset, and they suffered
for it defensively. Both of them addressed it, and they
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addressed it properly. They both hired the right way Defensively,
they got the right guys in the building. Last year,
each place you saw an uptick and production. I expect
a full hockey stick effect there again this year. I
expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why,
whether you know it's Garrett Knuthmyra LSU, or whether it's
Mayava at USC, I don't need those guys to go
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in games single handedly. I don't need them to pay
forty like cam Ward had to do last year at Miami.
The question I asked at USC when I was out
there this spring is do you have the bodies on
the line of scrimmage? So that's what it will always
come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,
Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,
you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in this December.
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I mean, that's really where you're going to have to
win the game. And you know, Lincoln Riley teams have
not been known for that both sides of the ball.
But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means
a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings
me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he
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stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three
season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are
starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about
this program. And I said, if he means it, this
is a new day at usc Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So then they lost a.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Bunch of one possession games last year. That still could
be evidence that they're on the right track. If they
are on the right track, my point is this year
it will manifest itself, and this year they'll compete for
the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patients will
be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame people if
they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce after this year,
I think they'll be closer This year. It's going to
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be the one possession game stuff all over again. Though,
it's just which side are they on?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Sure, Josh Pate, of course you may know Paige State.
He travels all around the country covers college football with
his College Football show. He JOINSU in the heard. I'm
Doug gottlieb in for Colin here on a Friday, soon
to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple
of weeks away. Paige State's anonymous with Penn State. James
Franklin has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at
Penn State, loading up with talent. But what's missing is
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big wins. This has gotta be the year, right, I mean,
this has got to be the Like again, I know
what everybody knows, know what they have, they know what
they have at quarterback, and they know they got a
lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be
the year, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.
I'm a believer that high expectations totally fair. If all
the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has
been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and
they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably
gonna do a show from up there in a couple
of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on
the show, and I guarantee you he'll look dead in
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that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.
That is their attitude. And I'll tell you this, if
you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey,
up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters,
you would think as a casual fan, Well, they went
to the semi final last year, so certainly the doubt
has subsided. Right, No, it hasn't at all. Plus the
two pillars in the doubt tree there were you can't
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beat the big boys and you can't go win a
national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State,
they lost. They got a shot against Oregon, they lost.
They went to the playoff, they beat SMU and Boise,
which a hater would tell you they should have done.
And the hater is right, by the way. And then
they got a shot against Notre Dame and they lost.
So even though they went to the semi final last
year and it feels like they broke new grounds, they
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really didn't. So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's
coming to your house.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You got the white out.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It's not a noon kickoff. There's no excuse. You need
to beat them in week five. You got to buy
week before that, and they have to travel to you
with a new quarterback. By the way, you're gonna go
to Ohio State later in the year, you better have
at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis.
You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need
to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who
lines up across from you, who recruits the same caliber
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athlete you do. If you don't, the window's not closed
for you to win ten games. I'm a believer James
Franklin could do that forever up there, but there probably
is a window to win a championship there. And you're right,
this is the year they got to do it this year.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just a couple weeks away,
a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer. I know
your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for
being our guests. Look forward to seeing the road and
I always appreciate pay stay join us.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
I appreciate it, brother, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's Josh pay check out on YouTube. Of course, you
know the Josh Pate Show. I'm Doug Gollibin for Collin.
Let's get you to Rye music with news.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
All right, dare you Ryan?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
What?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Do you have?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
A s plenty of great college football discussion there? So
we're gonna and our attention to supercaution sandwich. That's right,
We're gonna go a little NFL here. Steelers having quite
the offseason in training camp. Obviously the Aaron Rodgers will
he won't he saga? Now we know he will at
least be on the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
TJ.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Watt's contract extension, that's done. But now we can add
defensive lineman Cam Hayward to the mix, not fully participating
in training camp until he gets an adjusted contract. That's
the latest. The thirty six year old was both a
Pro Bowler and an All Pro last season, so he's
still producing at a high level. His current deals has
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him set to be the eighteenth highest paid d tackle
in the league.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Which, ironically enough, is probably about right right now right, like,
he's still really good? Is he super super league?
Speaker 6 (29:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And again, this is a guy who he wants, you know,
a long term extension. I think that in the Steelers
are team, it probably doesn't fudge a ton. My guess
is he gets another year and a little bit more money.
But this goes counter to everything the Steelers have done,
which is all in on this year, Sharon Rodgers, one year,
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a bunch of deals they've done. They want to win now.
So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing.
My guess is they tack on another year and they
move some money around so that they take away they
free up some cap money for this year and put
some one last year.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, it's uh. Colin has his scale of teams that
he believes in versus how noisy they are leading up
to the season. There's a lot of other factors at
Pittsburgh to where Colin's been very public about why he's
not really buying what they got going on there. But
I think this would also lend itself to another one
(30:49):
of those things. A whole lot of noise for Pittsburgh
this entire offseason. Now, you could argue maybe some of
that noise was a good thing. Certainly having TJ. Watt
on your team is a good thing. Acquiring a player
like DK Metcalf is a good thing. Whatever you think
of Aaron Rodgers at this point in his career, I
think we could agree that he's mostly an upgrade over
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what they have had at quarterback over the past couple
of seasons.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But from someone like Collins perspective, a whole lot of noise.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
All right, tough news, and they're not. They're not a
team that's built for the noise either. The other part
of calls respect to Whichecker.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
All right, tough news for you. Doug Andrew Chargers All
Pro left tackle for Shaun Slater out for the season
after tearing his pateeller tendon in training camp practice. Slater
had just signed a contract extension, making him the highest
paid offensive lineman in the league, and he was the
second highest graded tackle by Pro Football Focus last year.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, I mean it was. The good news is like
they did draft Joe alt so you can replace him
with Joel who can play that left side. The bad
news is that they have to They thought they had
bookend tackles for the next ten years.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Yeah, so they had their They had their struggles with
sort of the interior offensive line last year. So you
were hoping to have Slater on the left side, Joe
Alt continuing to improve on a good rookie season on
the right side. They brought in Mackai Beckton, who made
huge leaps after being mostly a bust with the Jets,
(32:27):
but then moved to guard with the Eagles last year
and played well in spots. So you were sort of
hoping that they were on the upward swing to getting
that O line sort of fortified, but this unfortunately has
them now trending back in the other direction to where
you're plugging to phill holes. And anybody who knows Jim
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Harbond has seen the style of his teams over the years,
knows how important that physical nature of the offensive line is.
And an unfortunate setback for those Chargers and were shawn
S later it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Is, you know, the typical Charger passion. They'll be in
the playoffs and they'll be like, hey, he's close, maybe
he plays next week before they lose that that's actually
the most typical Charger thing. Or late in the season,
right they're coming up on week eighteen, they're like, you know,
if they get to the playoffs, when Sewn Slater could
come back and it doesn't happen because I don't get there.
That's cool, plastic charger.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We'll wrap up with this.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
The Bills currently, along with the Ravens, have the best
odds to win the Super Bowl right now. But for
Buffalo in order to try and bring home that Lombardi Trophy,
they'll need their starting running back James Cook, currently a
hold in for a new contract. Here's what Josh Allen
had to say about James Cook. James is one of
the best running backs in the league. We desperately want
(33:44):
him out there with us. Hopefully we can get something done.
So the Bills look going to bring back James Cook.
Josh Allen at least hopes that it's going to be
sooner rather than later, as they try to surmount what
seems to be the unsurmountable mountain of getting past Patrick
Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Did you go unsurmounted? Is it insurmountable or it is unsurmountable?
So exciting, but I love that.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Well, I think it's insurmountable. I'm not sure exactly what
I said.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You said insurmountable, but it's interesting. No one ever surmounts.
It's only insurmountable, like we surmounted that. Yeah, you know, listen,
there's a big challenge. We surmounted it. Don't worry, Nope.
And only the only time we ever used this insurmountable.
That's a great, great, great get by. That's right. Music
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That's that's that's that's fun, really really fun. All right,
Coming up next in the Herd, Come up next in
the Herd. Just again, I want to wannah. What's it
called when you throw out ideas and then you kind
of discuss it. Maybe it's sort of brainstorming, sort of
(35:22):
spit I want to spit ball some ideas here, Okay,
Paul Schimes and again they can't tray them now trade
deadline went away, but what should the Pirates do? Let's
discuss next in the Herd.
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Doug Gottlieban for Colin is the Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Hey, I was I was watching
last night. We're actually listening to some Major League Baseball
discussion and watching some highlights and talking about things, and
I saw the Pirates, who they're not terrible, right, they're
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not good, but they're not like Rockies level bad. But
they're fifty and sixty six, okay for perspective, Okay, for
perspective in their division they're dead last. Okay. The Cardinals
are fifty eight and fifty eight, so they're in a
(36:27):
very difficult division. But they're not below the braves of
the Nationals, who have kind of bizarrely fallen off. But
it's not like there's a ton of hope there. And
they're a team that, you know, run differential wise, it's
not terrible, like the Nationals are minus one forty eight
(36:48):
and run differential. The Pirates are minus fifty two. That's
not the Rockies are minus three sixteen. It's not just
that they're thirty and eighty four. They're just they get
eviscerated for much of the season, so they're competitive. But
there is that There is going to be that question.
All right, Paul Skins, You guys want to take a
(37:10):
guess at music? What do you think Paul Skins makes
just ballpark?
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Man, it's got to be pretty low. I'm gonna go
with like three million dollars? Are you talking about just
this season? Not his total conscious this season? Yeah, i'might
got like three or four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Okay too? You want to you want to get in
on this.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, I would to say it's closer to a million,
maybe a little less.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Ryan, do you well, which which is it?
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Again, give me a number that you think he makes
and I'll tell you a million, okay, Ryan, one point
five million, one point five million. If this was the
price is right, all of you won't won't won't wan't. No,
it's what's what? What's the sound when you go over
(38:01):
forget where the sound is. It's not wah wah wah wah.
That's the actual theme song. Wah wall eight hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars. There you go, eight hundred and
seventy five. So you were right, do only you're not
supposed to go over.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
But nonetheless, the point is, and.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I'm sure at some point the pirates are gonna go
and try one of those deals where hey, we're gonna
throw out for you fifteen years at five hundred million
dollars and schemes. Is I don't know what you do,
but here's the question, Like, I'm not a You have
a great player. He's going to be a great player.
And I'd not mention this because I would ever wish
(38:48):
this upon any human being ever. But he is a
pitcher and he hasn't had Tommy John yet. Right, So
you're sitting there going like, okay, is is that inevitable?
And as music pointed out, I'm a Charger fan, I'm
also an Angel fan, and I've never been a trade
Trout guy. And now I think that ship has sailed.
(39:11):
You know, Trout's had so many injuries, he's got a
spinal issue. I don't I don't think he's not even
think he's tradable. But shoe hey, Otani, you go back
what a year and a half ago, season and a
half ago, and yeah, you should trade him. You're going
to lose him Skians. I don't think you think you're
(39:33):
going to lose or at least not in the any
in the near term. But let's not act like the
whole world comes out. Look when he started against Mizerowski
and Milwaukee and they sold the place out, that was great.
Two young star pitchers, amazing. But they're twenty six in attendance.
So even if they show up every fifth day to
see Paul Skean's pitch and he doesn't pitch every fifth
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day in Pittsburgh, it's not like it helps him that much.
I don't think this is the offseason, but I do
think that like if next year there's not a turn,
there's not a five hundred in their finish and he's healthy,
isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd
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love to have you. Now, if you're gonna trade skiings
you can't do for prospects. You got to do for players.
And I think the issue with that is, well, if
you do it for players, well you're you only go
after Paul Ski. If you're trading for Paul skiings, you
go and only go after Paul Skins if you know
you're gonna you think you're one star pitcher away from
(40:37):
going to the playoffs or winning a World Series. And
if you do that, you're not going to deplete your team.
That's the problem with it. In baseball, almost every trade
is for prospects, because if you do player for players,
you're not gonna do pitcher for pitcher. I just I
don't even know how you do it, how you pull
it off, how you'd value him. But I do think
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at Pittsburgh you sit there and go like I now
is not the time, but at some point in time
you can't sit there and be the Angels and get
nothing in return for show. Hey, Tani, just like if
you're the Pirates. Hasn't been hurt. He's been spectacular. Here's
how spectacular. Yesterday against the Reds it was the first
time in his career give it up seven hits in
a start forty seven starts. He didn't give up a run,
(41:23):
didn't give I mean, he's just the guy's ridiculous. He's
so good, so good. But yeah, only eight hundred seventy
five thousand dollars so which I wonder if any pitchers
come out and they're gonna do the WNBA thing and say,
did the janitor makes more money than me? The janitor?
(41:49):
All right, Uh, let's get back to some football coming
up next. Okay, So go and do a little quick
study of your favorite quarterbacks in the last fifteen years
in the nash FOOTBA League. Well they have in common.
The Manning family thinks there's one thing that they have
in common that will lead Arch Manning to being successful.
(42:14):
What is that one thing that combines so many different talents,
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Whoever you
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might have been working on Facebook maybe maybe, I mean,
did you guys see Paul Skins yesterday? Did anybody follow
this Paul Skeins, who is the number one overall pick
two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time?
(01:11):
And I think forty seven starts hit allowed seven hits.
You're like, wow, still shut out the Reds, Still shout
out the Reds. He is so good. Like the juxtaposition
of how how good schemes is and how bad the
pirates are is really remarkable, right, it's can you imagine? Yeah?
(01:38):
I can. Actually I remember Michael Jordan when he first
came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't
mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the now. You have people
who look back and they're like, Jordan didn't win anything
without Skyt Pippen. Okay, either state that you were alive
when Jordan dominated the NBA and and you choose to
(02:02):
change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive,
you didn't know, and so you're just repeating what stupid
people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting
beat by the Pistons, and they would punk Michael Jordan.
They would punk Scottie Pippenny had a Migraine. Scotty was
a great number two, really good, really good player. Let
(02:24):
let let's not act like it's not like he was
anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know,
not close. Yeah, Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass,
putting a different offense when the double teams had come,
learned to trust this team. In part of it was
(02:44):
the teams weren't very good and then they grew and got better.
But people say dumb stuff all the time, and you know,
you could say, like, well, Paul Skains are all what baseball?
Baseball somehow is the only sport in which you can
be awesome and your team to stay. And people are like, eh,
I know, I do have a Paul Skiens thing to
(03:05):
get to a little a little bit later on the show.
But let's let let's start with Shadoor Sanders, who is
going to get the start for the Browns in their
preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest
of the guys, but expect them to go operate. When
you get in these preseason games, you try to keep
it very simple so that guys can play fast, all
concepts that our players know and can kind of not
think too much and just play ball.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, and just play ball. Now. The sale of Shador
Sanders is that this is what his entire career was
built upon, right or built built in readiness for He
trained with Tom Brady, he started at Jackson State and
kind of built up so he has the volume of
reps four years as a starter, two years in one
(03:57):
double A and uh and two years in the in
the Big twelve or one year in the pack of
one year in the Big twelve. And he's got a
lot of starts under his belt and he's studied with
the best, and so he's ready and so none of
this stuff is hard for him. But I I just
there is no middle right because the likelihood is you'll
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watch him night be like, oh, there's some good because
he's not terrible, and there's some things like, yeah, you
gotta clean it up. He's not a great athlete, but
he's not a bad athlete. You know, he's got really
good touch, very accurate. Not really it doesn't really have
a laser outside the numbers, but there's there's there's a
(04:43):
lot there and there's some stuff missing and maybe it
gets exposed tonight. Maybe it doesn't, but it will. I mean,
we all know how this works. It will be all
or nothing. It will be the Browns need to just
drop everything and start Shadoor Sanders or this is a joke.
His dad, you know, put sh him to a level
above his level of competency. Why are we talking about
the first round? It's a big night for mel kiper
(05:04):
Junior not gonna lie to you, like Mel almost put
down his entire like reputation on like what is going on, which,
by the way, just shows I love Mel. Mel was
always a gentleman to work with. But a lot of
the people that he used to have an in with
in the NFL, they've they've aged out. And anyone who's
(05:27):
been in the NFL now knows that Georg Sanders was
a clown in the interviews. And what does that matter, Well,
no one else was a clown. All right, job interview,
You're get a clown job interview. So and it's not
like he's the perfect prospect. He's not bad, but let's
(05:48):
not act like he's Josh Allen. And even Josh Allen,
who was flawed coming out of college, didn't act or
behave the way that Sheeor Sanders is reported to have act.
But this is we were told, Hey, he's trained with Brady,
his mental game is far ahead of everybody else. He's
playing the preseason. He's not going to see a bunch
(06:09):
of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer. He's clutch. It's legendary.
Okay to anyone who says are they're they're setting him
up for a failure. Okay, do you think you have
a better chance of succeeding in the NFL in a
(06:29):
preseason game playing with because I don't think you'll play
with many starters, but playing with ones and twos or
playing with threes and fours and fives? What do you think? Right,
there's a reason that the end of the end of
preseason games can just look raggedy because you have dudes
that aren't going to be in the NFL this year.
(06:51):
Who would you rather have blocking for him? The second
string left tackle or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe.
I mean, here's Mark Dominic, former general manager in the
in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked
him last hour about the what's the chances that the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers want to see him of excuse me
(07:12):
that the Cleveland Browns, Mark was the general manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. That the Cleveland Browns want to
see Chador fail.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No one sets a guy up to fail. I mean
there's internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever
going to do is like, I can't wait to get
this guy out there. So he falls on his face. Like,
no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick.
And I know at shaduor Sanders and people are like,
oh this is you know, look, they already drafted a
quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got
the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately.
(07:39):
The problem is what you said that there's been a
lot of injuries and he's found a way to get
healthier faster than all the other guys. And you know,
there's a great opportunity. You know it doesn't you know,
there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization is like,
let's put Shador out there so he looks terrible when
he fails. No one's thinking that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Agreed. Agreed, Now what does success and what does failure
look like? Right? Like he'll be able to be under
center and throw a football. This is a lot like
the discussion with so many guys. Well I can't throw
the deep ball. Well it doesn't mean you can't throw
the ball deep down the field, but can you throw
a deep out? You know, can you be on the
(08:18):
move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball
where you're gonna get your guy put in the hospital
and forgive me, you know, dog pound since nineteen sixty
nine on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's
(08:39):
really important. So I am. I'm interested, And he said,
we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much.
We're gonna do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other
thing about being a starter is just easier to script
plays scriptum. So you come in, get right after him.
You're gonna look better than you probably are. We have
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no idea if schet or Sanders is a starting galliber
quarterback in the NFL. Neither do you you know, because
we could sit there and go, hey, well, you know
he this level of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot
of it was dinking up ard throwing to the best
player in college football. They did have an outstanding wide
receiving core. He holds on the ball a little bit long,
and it was made. It was astb exacerbated by the
(09:21):
fact that he had a poorous offensive line. But let's
not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and
see the all twenty two and we know we're looking
at thought he was a good college quarterback. Thought he
got away with some stuff because you know he had
the ball a lot. And remember this is also the
first game he's going to play where his dad's not
(09:42):
a head coach. Think about that for a second, right,
first game you're gonna play, it's in the NFL, you're
a preseason starter, and it's the first time you look
over there, and Pops doesn't have the head set on
like his dad Coachman Hwei. So I don't know if
(10:05):
he's any good. I think he's okay. I think he's fine.
I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a
great arm, and I don't think he's a great athlete.
But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed
because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap
for a couple of years and have a chance to
rebuild this franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste
(10:26):
of time in Deshaun Watson. But just because you want
him to be a guy, or you want Dylan Gabriel,
but it doesn't mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much.
But they don't want to see him fail. There are
people that want to see him fail. I don't think
they're members of the Cleveland Browns organization.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
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Doug Golliban for Collin, this is the Herd, Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio app. Let's talk some college football.
Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pate's College
Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if
you don't know about his show, do yourself evor Google,
and you can just indulge and just be like, oh,
here we go, I'm ready, Josh. You know, I part
(12:10):
of this is watching last year in some of the
surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it
is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of
it is just kind of being an observer of college sports.
But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what
they have and so a lot of these preseason predictions
(12:31):
sort of wasteful. Right, Yeah, are you in the same boat?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Yeah? Man, Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk
to you on this Friday. I always thought this okay
about college football has always kind of been that way.
But let me just give you one extreme off the
charts anecdote to hammer home your points. Barry Odom just
took over the Purdue job. All right, Barry oti have
had a good year last year at UNLV. Purdue was terrible.
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He takes over the perdue job. You know, in football,
it used to take a minimum of what two, probably
three years to turn over your roster Barry's going to
have one hundred and five scholarship players in fall. Eighty
three of them are new Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia.
I think seventy or seventy one of his one to
oh five are going to be new like they were
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not there last year. So that's your freshman class enrolling,
and that's like twenty five kids and the rest of
them are portals. So with that as the backdrop, I
ask you, Doug Gottlieb, how in the world am I
supposed to know anything about anyone? And then you've got
Carson Beck. I mean this time last year, if you
and I were talking, we would have been talking about
that kid and whether he was going to be the
number one overall quarterback taking in the draft after he
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probably challenges for the Heisman en route to Georgia playing
for a national title, and none of that happens. And
now's at Miami, and how am I supposed to know
what to expect down there? The highlight game of Week
one is Texas and Ohio State, both I think out
of the top seventy five in returning production numbers. How
am I supposed to know what to expect there? Here's
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the beauty. I've never been one of these anti preseason
poll guys. I've never been one of these anti predictions guys.
I am just the kind of guy that wants to
do all that, but do it in very light pencils,
cause you cannot ignore week one in week two just
because you took six months to build up predictions and
you're not coming off of them. You've got to be
ready to pivot on a dime on this stuff, because
you're right, dude, half the coaching staff don't even know
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what they have, so I certainly don't know what they are.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too.
That's the other part, Like they're new and they and
they don't have spring games anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Hey, I'll tell you another thing though, I was I
was listening to some of the stuff we had done
in spring with some of these coaches this morning, and
some of it was on record, like a lot of
it was off record, And a lot of the off
the record talk, especially in football right now, is about
how many coaches, like, yeah, you're right, there are new.
There's new coaching staff turn all over the place every year.
But there are a lot of people who point blank
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have their jobs this year that would not have previously
had their jobs because buyout number is too big a
knock on the payroll now, and the payroll's real now
because you have to pay the players and so it's
not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and
account for things. And so I mean, Billy Napier at Florida,
if we're ten years ago, does Billy even survive last year?
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Does he make it through the season, Well, he did
because of the new constraints, and well in the hold
he may have a top ten team this year. I
think it was like I mean, it's like a small
handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs.
And that's been a league perennially where half the league
turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or
new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is
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some newness in coaching spots there, but there's also a
really healthy amount of guys that have been given a
stay of execution, if.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
You will, maybe one more year.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
And the truth skill, if you want to talk about
being predictive, is go find the guy that was one
year away all along, and because he's been given that
one more year is going to make it.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Pop because of that, Well, the hard part about trying
to make a pop is you'll take some you'll take
some risky guys and the risk there's risk and reward
in it. And again you're just kind of holding your
breath that the phone doesn't ring in the middle of
the night. Josh Pay join us the Josh Paid College
Football Show. He joins us here in the hurd him
Doug Gottliet filling in for Colin Archie Manning is like
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arch is gonna be at Texas for you know, two
more seasons this year next year. Do you buy it?
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Yes? I that's that's been the talk around him since
he got there. I so if I don't buy it,
it's just me calling him a bald face liar, and
I don't think they are. Now. He could just explode
this year and be projected number one overall, and of
course you got a choice to make at that point.
I am not applying those kind of expectations to him. Now.
(16:46):
This is you know me personally, the market is, the
odds boards are I'm not. I am expecting him to
be good to really good with flashes of elite and
if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it.
But I do want to take a step back. I mean,
it's very obvious nothing around him is conventional. Archie manny
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talking about that chief among them, his thought process, in
the way he gets to handle himself because of what
his last name is, chief among them. But how I
was trying to think about this, Maybe you come up
with an answer, because I don't have one. When is
the last time that we had known a kid for
over half a decade? Six years we've known arch Manning sophomore, junior,
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senior year in high school, first second, now third year
at Texas, and it's six years in before he's the
full time starter. People have been talking about this dude
over half a decade, like fully formed opinions, and we
hadn't even seen him be listed as the number one
quarterback in Texas yet. So you want to talk about
expectations like you asked me a few minutes ago, Think
about how many hard boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions
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people have of him without ever seeing him play entire
six game stretches of a season before. I don't know
that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone. And
I guess it would have to be a famous last
name for a kid who had even mattered as a
sophomore in high school like you did.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean, obviously,
we don't cover up most kids in high school unless
they're you know, Tebow a little bit because he was
part of the reality show back in the day, that
may have been the one. And but then he played
right away, although he wasn't a full time starter probably
what till year three, Right, So there's a.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Huh, that's it.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Any anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've
been hyped and then they started it just so happens.
Texas had the situation they had.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, and and two. I think it was Nick sab
But who was it who said, if he's so good,
why was he the backup to a to like a
six round pick. And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow
couldn't you know, couldn't crack the code to Ohio State.
I mean, heck you go back and Josh Field, Well,
I mean if it was a Fields couldn't crack the
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code at Georgia because because it's really hard to replace
an incumbent who's a good, solid college quarterback regardless of
your upside. So I don't I don't actually buy that
that sort of argument, if you will. Speaking of Texas,
they play Ohio State first game of the year, right,
what should we we know? There's a lot we don't know.
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What do we know about the matchup?
Speaker 6 (19:23):
You know that the caliber of athlete is going to
be high level. That's where the floor is baked in
pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean,
there's one thing you can do, and that's just, hey,
I know they've recruited top five classes, all right, and
then you're viewing that from fifty thousand feet. You could
zoom in maybe twenty thousand feet and you could go
buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with
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the names, or you could zoom in in the weeds
and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on
its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had
to backfill, departing starters to the NFL Draft because of
and that could be an issue now. It could be
the if they remain unscathed the rest of the way
they're okay, But I mean Texas is aren't in a
position where they can't afford any more attrition really along
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the offensive line. Now I say that, Doug, and if
you were to hit the rewind button on me, I
would have been saying the same thing about Notre Dame
this time last year. And they go into college Station
Week one against what should have been a ferocious edge rush,
and they win. And then they keep on suffering attrition
and keep on reloading at offensive line, and they go
on to play for a national title. So really, what
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it comes down to is not so much the players
you're gonna have. And I don't say that to mean
players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that you
recruited and I trust that you developed. And Texas did
not hit the portal in the offensive line, by the way,
and I was there in the spring, and I can
tell you firsthand looking at them in the eye, they
trust the guys they have in house. Did you coach
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your tail off well enough? Like did you get your
team ready? Did you prepare? And also then from my viewpoint,
I'm sitting over here on the other side of the lens,
I've got to ask myself, is it possible I see
a totally different version of either of those teams week
one than I will week nine. The answer is almost
a definitive yes. So you gotta be careful not to
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fly off the handle because everyone's gonna go into that scene,
you know as well as I do that Saturday morning,
everyone's gonna say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game.
It could be thirty three to ten, someone could be
minus four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's gonna be
a great game. I'll probably go so I trust that
it will be, but you just gotta be careful. Man.
That knee jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous
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poison to drink in Week one.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh, there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs.
Last year, I said thought Oklahoma was the most interesting,
and they, you know, you go and get a kid
who's supposed to be the next, you know, god includes
Heisman Trophy winner, and he started all the first what
three games, and then they pull him. Now he's somewhere
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else in the sec What happens with Oklahoma this year?
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Sky high on him? I mean, that's the one where
I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bets.
I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be
a top ten caliber team. Now I say that statement
absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But
I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program
last year. I believe they had a terminal flaw in
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a program and a roster that was otherwise built to whim.
And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you
what else they did. Not only did they go get
John Mattiat quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in.
Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as
they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit
me up and say, I don't know if you know
that guy or not, but he's a stud. He's the
real deal, So I trust them. I trust him. I
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legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year,
but absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt
last year, should be good to go this year. They
really attacked wide receiver in the portal, and they overhauled there.
They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end. I think in
the portal defensively, and they acknowledged and addressed some of
the issues, but they didn't have many dogs. They needed
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to address one core issue and they did. Those are
three top ten recruiting classes stacked on top of each other.
Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top
of each other. I think they are very, very primed
to be the surprise team in the SEC this year,
and they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of
I think the first four weeks of the year. I
expect them to go into the red River game against
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Texas undefeated.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Wow, especially after Michigan. That would be the hype, would
be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Patark guest.
I'm Doug gottliefiling for Collins the Herd, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Kayleb Williams in and
they start to set the world on fire. And then
all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start
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they start the remodel. Where are they?
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, It's
so funny. His name was tied to the LSU job.
And then he takes the USC job, and then Brian
Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made
critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset, and they suffered
for it defensively. Both of them addressed it, and they
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addressed it properly. They both hired the right way Defensively,
they got the right guys in the building. Last year,
each place you saw an uptick and production. I expect
a full hockey stick effect there again this year. I
expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why,
whether you know it's Garrett Knuthmyra LSU, or whether it's
Mayava at USC, I don't need those guys to go
(24:38):
in games single handedly. I don't need them to pay
forty like cam Ward had to do last year at Miami.
The question I asked at USC when I was out
there this spring is do you have the bodies on
the line of scrimmage? So that's what it will always
come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene,
Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule,
you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State in this December.
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I mean, that's really where you're going to have to
win the game. And you know, Lincoln Riley teams have
not been known for that both sides of the ball.
But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means
a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings
me to rewinding about sixteen or seventeen months. When he
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stood there in that building after the twenty twenty three
season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are
starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about
this program. And I said, if he means it, this
is a new day at usc Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So then they lost a.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Bunch of one possession games last year. That still could
be evidence that they're on the right track. If they
are on the right track, my point is this year
it will manifest itself, and this year they'll compete for
the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patients will
be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame people if
they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce after this year,
I think they'll be closer This year. It's going to
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be the one possession game stuff all over again. Though,
it's just which side are they on?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Sure, Josh Pate, of course you may know Paige State.
He travels all around the country covers college football with
his College Football show. He JOINSU in the heard. I'm
Doug gottlieb in for Colin here on a Friday, soon
to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple
of weeks away. Paige State's anonymous with Penn State. James
Franklin has done an incredible job, FIRSTU Vanderbilt and at
Penn State, loading up with talent. But what's missing is
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big wins. This has gotta be the year, right, I mean,
this has got to be the Like again, I know
what everybody knows, know what they have, they know what
they have at quarterback, and they know they got a
lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has gotta be
the year, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said.
I'm a believer that high expectations totally fair. If all
the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has
been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and
they're not shying away from it. Manna, I'm not probably
gonna do a show from up there in a couple
of weeks, and I guarantee you will have him on
the show, and I guarantee you he'll look dead in
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that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year.
That is their attitude. And I'll tell you this, if
you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey,
up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters,
you would think as a casual fan, Well, they went
to the semi final last year, so certainly the doubt
has subsided. Right, No, it hasn't at all. Plus the
two pillars in the doubt tree there were you can't
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beat the big boys and you can't go win a
national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State,
they lost. They got a shot against Oregon, they lost.
They went to the playoff, they beat SMU and Boise,
which a hater would tell you they should have done.
And the hater is right, by the way. And then
they got a shot against Notre Dame and they lost.
So even though they went to the semi final last
year and it feels like they broke new grounds, they
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really didn't. So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's
coming to your house.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You got the white out.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It's not a noon kickoff. There's no excuse. You need
to beat them in week five. You got to buy
week before that, and they have to travel to you
with a new quarterback. By the way, you're gonna go
to Ohio State later in the year, you better have
at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis.
You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need
to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who
lines up across from you, who recruits the same caliber
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athlete you do. If you don't, the window's not closed
for you to win ten games. I'm a believer James
Franklin could do that forever up there, but there probably
is a window to win a championship there. And you're right,
this is the year they got to do it this year.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just a couple weeks away,
a couple weeks aways, getting closer and closer. I know
your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for
being our guests. Look forward to seeing the road and
I always appreciate pay stay join us.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
I appreciate it, brother, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's Josh pay check out on YouTube. Of course, you
know the Josh Pate Show. I'm Doug Gollibin for Collin.
Let's get you to Rye music with news.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
All right, dare you Ryan?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
What?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Do you have?
Speaker 8 (28:57):
A s plenty of great college football discussion there? So
we're gonna and our attention to supercaution sandwich. That's right,
We're gonna go a little NFL here. Steelers having quite
the offseason in training camp. Obviously the Aaron Rodgers will
he won't he saga? Now we know he will at
least be on the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
TJ.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Watt's contract extension, that's done. But now we can add
defensive lineman Cam Hayward to the mix, not fully participating
in training camp until he gets an adjusted contract. That's
the latest. The thirty six year old was both a
Pro Bowler and an All Pro last season, so he's
still producing at a high level. His current deals has
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him set to be the eighteenth highest paid d tackle
in the league.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Which, ironically enough, is probably about right right now right, like,
he's still really good? Is he super super league?
Speaker 6 (29:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
And again, this is a guy who he wants, you know,
a long term extension. I think that in the Steelers
are team, it probably doesn't fudge a ton. My guess
is he gets another year and a little bit more money.
But this goes counter to everything the Steelers have done,
which is all in on this year, Sharon Rodgers, one year,
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a bunch of deals they've done. They want to win now.
So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing.
My guess is they tack on another year and they
move some money around so that they take away they
free up some cap money for this year and put
some one last year.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, it's uh. Colin has his scale of teams that
he believes in versus how noisy they are leading up
to the season. There's a lot of other factors at
Pittsburgh to where Colin's been very public about why he's
not really buying what they got going on there. But
I think this would also lend itself to another one
(30:49):
of those things. A whole lot of noise for Pittsburgh
this entire offseason. Now, you could argue maybe some of
that noise was a good thing. Certainly having TJ. Watt
on your team is a good thing. Acquiring a player
like DK Metcalf is a good thing. Whatever you think
of Aaron Rodgers at this point in his career, I
think we could agree that he's mostly an upgrade over
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what they have had at quarterback over the past couple
of seasons.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But from someone like Collins perspective, a whole lot of noise.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
All right, tough news, and they're not. They're not a
team that's built for the noise either. The other part
of calls respect to Whichecker.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
All right, tough news for you. Doug Andrew Chargers All
Pro left tackle for Shaun Slater out for the season
after tearing his pateeller tendon in training camp practice. Slater
had just signed a contract extension, making him the highest
paid offensive lineman in the league, and he was the
second highest graded tackle by Pro Football Focus last year.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, I mean it was. The good news is like
they did draft Joe alt so you can replace him
with Joel who can play that left side. The bad
news is that they have to They thought they had
bookend tackles for the next ten years.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
Yeah, so they had their They had their struggles with
sort of the interior offensive line last year. So you
were hoping to have Slater on the left side, Joe
Alt continuing to improve on a good rookie season on
the right side. They brought in Mackai Beckton, who made
huge leaps after being mostly a bust with the Jets,
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but then moved to guard with the Eagles last year
and played well in spots. So you were sort of
hoping that they were on the upward swing to getting
that O line sort of fortified, but this unfortunately has
them now trending back in the other direction to where
you're plugging to phill holes. And anybody who knows Jim
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Harbond has seen the style of his teams over the years,
knows how important that physical nature of the offensive line is.
And an unfortunate setback for those Chargers and were shawn
S later it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Is, you know, the typical Charger passion. They'll be in
the playoffs and they'll be like, hey, he's close, maybe
he plays next week before they lose that that's actually
the most typical Charger thing. Or late in the season,
right they're coming up on week eighteen, they're like, you know,
if they get to the playoffs, when Sewn Slater could
come back and it doesn't happen because I don't get there.
That's cool, plastic charger.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We'll wrap up with this.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
The Bills currently, along with the Ravens, have the best
odds to win the Super Bowl right now. But for
Buffalo in order to try and bring home that Lombardi Trophy,
they'll need their starting running back James Cook, currently a
hold in for a new contract. Here's what Josh Allen
had to say about James Cook. James is one of
the best running backs in the league. We desperately want
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him out there with us. Hopefully we can get something done.
So the Bills look going to bring back James Cook.
Josh Allen at least hopes that it's going to be
sooner rather than later, as they try to surmount what
seems to be the unsurmountable mountain of getting past Patrick
Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Did you go unsurmounted? Is it insurmountable or it is unsurmountable?
So exciting, but I love that.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Well, I think it's insurmountable. I'm not sure exactly what
I said.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You said insurmountable, but it's interesting. No one ever surmounts.
It's only insurmountable, like we surmounted that. Yeah, you know, listen,
there's a big challenge. We surmounted it. Don't worry, Nope.
And only the only time we ever used this insurmountable.
That's a great, great, great get by. That's right. Music
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Speaker 6 (35:00):
That.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's that's that's that's fun, really really fun. All right,
Coming up next in the Herd, Come up next in
the Herd. Just again, I want to wannah. What's it
called when you throw out ideas and then you kind
of discuss it. Maybe it's sort of brainstorming, sort of
(35:22):
spit I want to spit ball some ideas here, Okay,
Paul Schimes and again they can't tray them now trade
deadline went away, but what should the Pirates do? Let's
discuss next in the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (35:45):
Doug Gottlieban for Colin is the Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Welcome in. Hey, I was I was watching
last night. We're actually listening to some Major League Baseball
discussion and watching some highlights and talking about things, and
I saw the Pirates, who they're not terrible, right, they're
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not good, but they're not like Rockies level bad. But
they're fifty and sixty six, okay for perspective, Okay, for
perspective in their division they're dead last. Okay. The Cardinals
are fifty eight and fifty eight, so they're in a
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very difficult division. But they're not below the braves of
the Nationals, who have kind of bizarrely fallen off. But
it's not like there's a ton of hope there. And
they're a team that, you know, run differential wise, it's
not terrible, like the Nationals are minus one forty eight
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and run differential. The Pirates are minus fifty two. That's
not the Rockies are minus three sixteen. It's not just
that they're thirty and eighty four. They're just they get
eviscerated for much of the season, so they're competitive. But
there is that There is going to be that question.
All right, Paul Skins, You guys want to take a
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guess at music? What do you think Paul Skins makes
just ballpark?
Speaker 9 (37:16):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Man, it's got to be pretty low. I'm gonna go
with like three million dollars? Are you talking about just
this season? Not his total conscious this season? Yeah, i'might
got like three or four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Okay too? You want to you want to get in
on this.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, I would to say it's closer to a million,
maybe a little less.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Ryan, do you well, which which is it?
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Like?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Again, give me a number that you think he makes
and I'll tell you a million, okay, Ryan, one point
five million, one point five million. If this was the
price is right, all of you won't won't won't wan't. No,
it's what's what? What's the sound when you go over
(38:01):
forget where the sound is. It's not wah wah wah wah.
That's the actual theme song. Wah wall eight hundred and
seventy five thousand dollars. There you go, eight hundred and
seventy five. So you were right, do only you're not
supposed to go over.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
But nonetheless, the point is, and.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I'm sure at some point the pirates are gonna go
and try one of those deals where hey, we're gonna
throw out for you fifteen years at five hundred million
dollars and schemes. Is I don't know what you do,
but here's the question, Like, I'm not a You have
a great player. He's going to be a great player.
And I'd not mention this because I would ever wish
(38:48):
this upon any human being ever. But he is a
pitcher and he hasn't had Tommy John yet. Right, So
you're sitting there going like, okay, is is that inevitable?
And as music pointed out, I'm a Charger fan, I'm
also an Angel fan, and I've never been a trade
Trout guy. And now I think that ship has sailed.
(39:11):
You know, Trout's had so many injuries, he's got a
spinal issue. I don't I don't think he's not even
think he's tradable. But shoe hey, Otani, you go back
what a year and a half ago, season and a
half ago, and yeah, you should trade him. You're going
to lose him Skians. I don't think you think you're
(39:33):
going to lose or at least not in the any
in the near term. But let's not act like the
whole world comes out. Look when he started against Mizerowski
and Milwaukee and they sold the place out, that was great.
Two young star pitchers, amazing. But they're twenty six in attendance.
So even if they show up every fifth day to
see Paul Skean's pitch and he doesn't pitch every fifth
(39:55):
day in Pittsburgh, it's not like it helps him that much.
I don't think this is the offseason, but I do
think that like if next year there's not a turn,
there's not a five hundred in their finish and he's healthy,
isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd
(40:15):
love to have you. Now, if you're gonna trade skiings
you can't do for prospects. You got to do for players.
And I think the issue with that is, well, if
you do it for players, well you're you only go
after Paul Ski. If you're trading for Paul skiings, you
go and only go after Paul Skins if you know
you're gonna you think you're one star pitcher away from
(40:37):
going to the playoffs or winning a World Series. And
if you do that, you're not going to deplete your team.
That's the problem with it. In baseball, almost every trade
is for prospects, because if you do player for players,
you're not gonna do pitcher for pitcher. I just I
don't even know how you do it, how you pull
it off, how you'd value him. But I do think
(40:58):
at Pittsburgh you sit there and go like I now
is not the time, but at some point in time
you can't sit there and be the Angels and get
nothing in return for show. Hey, Tani, just like if
you're the Pirates. Hasn't been hurt. He's been spectacular. Here's
how spectacular. Yesterday against the Reds it was the first
time in his career give it up seven hits in
a start forty seven starts. He didn't give up a run,
(41:23):
didn't give I mean, he's just the guy's ridiculous. He's
so good, so good. But yeah, only eight hundred seventy
five thousand dollars so which I wonder if any pitchers
come out and they're gonna do the WNBA thing and say,
did the janitor makes more money than me? The janitor?
(41:49):
All right, Uh, let's get back to some football coming
up next. Okay, So go and do a little quick
study of your favorite quarterbacks in the last fifteen years
in the nash FOOTBA League. Well they have in common.
The Manning family thinks there's one thing that they have
in common that will lead Arch Manning to being successful.
(42:14):
What is that one thing that combines so many different talents,
so many different styles. Well 'scuss it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.
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