August 14, 2025 • 35 mins
Jason Fitz and Buck Reising, in for Doug Gottlieb, break down why they are completely over the Shedeur Sanders discourse. The guys react to the latest in the heated showdown between Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons. Plus, how much should we really care about the preseason?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You know, things got weird sitting in for Doug Gottlieb.
It's fucking fits. He's Buck rising up, Jason Fitz. They're
letting the kids come in and play with the adults
at the big grown up table. I don't know how
we feel about this, Buck. It's gonna be a little interesting.
We're gonna be with Fox Sports Radio today. We're gonna
be with Fox Sports Radio in the morning. Are we
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kicked out of the holiday gathering by.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The end of the week. Only time will tell. But
what I know.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What I know is that we will not give the
grace of time. We will not give the grace of patience.
We will not give the grace of just stepping back
and letting things be when it comes to the Cleveland
Browns quarterback situation. And to me, my friend, it is
the biggest, wildest and grossest storyline in preseason football.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Here's the real headline.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Fifth round quarterback pick performs well and is still fourth
on the depth chart.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
That's it. That's the end of it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But no, it can't be the end of it because
it's Shadoor Sanders, and that means the takes are flying everywhere.
Buck Rising, Jason Fits hanging out with you for Doug
Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I'm just tired of it.
I'm exhausted. I don't care. You know what, here's the thing.
Maybe I'm worked up because I'm already hours into my day.
Maybe when worked up because you're sitting in Atlanta just
enjoying wings from a particular establishment.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I don't know, but I'm worked up today.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I'm worked up because Shador Sanders goes out and
plays well in a preseason game, which is great. That's awesome.
I'm rooting for that. It's wonderful. Can't it just be that?
Why does it have to suddenly mean anything else? Because
I see all of these social media reports telling me,
oh my god, the Browns don't have a healthy quarterback
and what are they doing in Shador might not be
able to play this weekend. And I keep looking around saying, guys,
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the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns is Joe Flacco,
and he's fine, He's gonna play week one. All of
this is over somebody that's not even gonna play at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Why do we care so much?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, for the same reason, FITZI that I care to
get my wings from a strip club in Atlanta as
opposed to from any other establishment in the world, because
sometimes you just gotta have a little extra pizazz on things.
And Shadoor brings the strip club. I mean you said
a particular establishment. I don't know what you're scared of.
It's it's Atlanta, baby, People go there for a happy
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hour on a Monday. Magic City, you know the drill.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
But well you're just presumed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Look, Cheatahs is better than Magic City, by the way,
I mean, I don't know if we're talking about the
wings anymore.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
No, I'm just saying like, sometimes the presentation is as
much as as much a part of the story as
is the actual product itself. And Shadoor, whatever he is
at this particular point in time, which is very much
fourth on the depth chart of the Cleveland Browns that
seem to have seventeen different quarterbacks flying around the place
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at any given point. He presented pretty well. And if
America's only exposure beyond training camp tweets and reports and
things like that is Shador Sanders preseason debut, then how
could you possibly blame people for trying to detach themselves
for what their eyes are directly seeing, which is a
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kid that went out there and tore it up and
had way more of a live arm than anybody expected
to Shador Sanders to have and understanding against preseason, and
they're not scheming things up, and that if you don't
look good during preseason, that's a bigger story as we
could talk about with some of these players, although all
four of the quarterbacks that are largely in the discussion
that are most discussed at this point in time seem
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like they had a pretty nice first outing. I'll cover
cam Ward, the number one overall draft pick, tomorrow here
in Atlanta against the Falcons, and we'll see how much
more legs that has. But listen, I cover cam Ward.
He's spectacularly boring in everything that he does and that's great,
that's wonderful. That's exactly what a dysfunctional organization like the
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Tennessee Titans needs is somebody to settle him down a
little bit. A twenty three year old that carries himself
like he's thirty three, Shador Sanders is quite the opposite,
and not even from a personality standpoint, because frankly, I
think he's handled a lot of this pretty damn well
fits but all the things that are surrounding Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
He grew up on reality TV.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
What is America Love if not a Reality TV with
a with a spinoff that we can continue to follow
in a nationally televised event. And football Reality TV Football
Shador Sanders at the intersection. How could you possibly be
confused as to why people are interested?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Number One, I feel like I'm not even allowed to say,
God forbid, like this is a very true story. I
had a take on Inside Coverage one of my Yahoo shows,
How to Take last week, and I said, I think
it was lose lose for the Browns to play Shador early,
And the entirety of my take was it's lose lose
because if he gets on the field and he's terrible,
There'll be no grace. And then the other side of
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it is if he gets on the field and he's
absolutely lights out, Now the Browns are gonna have to
spend every day answering questions about their depth chart, why
they made the decisions they made all of these, why
he fell to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That was the entirety of my take.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yahoo clipped a portion of that and put it up,
but I was cut off and cut off after the
if he stinks, there'll be no grace portion of my take,
for which I have thousands at this point of comments
that tell me that I'm racist, that I don't know anything,
that I'm an idiot, that I.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Don't know how to talk about football.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
All of these different things, all because I said, if
he doesn't play well, there'll be no grace. Like you
can't even have a lukewarm opinion about Shadur at this
point without people just deciding that means you are either
biased by your hatred of Shador or biased by your
love of shudor so that's already frustrating to me. But
then the bigger part of this is you see a
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team every day in practice, you see bad football team.
But you see a team every day in practice. We
know what practice means, We know what meetings mean to
the organization. Look what we have seen since the draft.
At the draft, the Cleveland Browns told you that they
believe Dylan Gabriel was two rounds better, not two picks,
not ten picks, two rounds better than Shador Sanders for
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their franchise. For whatever reason, they took Dylan Gabriel in
the third run. Since then, the reporters I've talked to
that had been to Brown's practice, it made it clear
that Dylan Gabriel was breaking down the offense faster, was
processing things faster, and in general seemed to be ahead
of him in all things practice related to this. So,
while you're right, we've had three quarters of chadur on
the field, we haven't had a single second a Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
On the field. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And the other part of it is, last time I
tech checked, Kevin Stefanski is a two time Coach of
the Year. So unless you believe that a two time
coach of the Year is so eagermaniacal and so full
of pride and so flat out stupid and bad at
his job that he will just continue to live some
wild live so that Shadoor Sanders is held down. The
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reality of it is they believed Shadour was a lesser
quarterback even when they drafted him than Dylan Gabriel. They
have since then had months of practice and meetings where
the greater of the two quarterbacks that they drafted has
Outside Shadoor, all we have is three quarters of one
preseason game.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
That's all the information we get.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I don't understand why everyone thinks that suddenly a
depth chart is going to change the mind of an
entire organization that sees him in every meeting, that processes
everything that happens, in every piece of film, that records
every practice, that looks back at every sing like we
have a tenth of the evidence, Like every conspiracy theorist
that's a dumb ass that's out there telling us something.
We have a tenth of the evidence without any of
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the full context, and then we make sweeping decisions on
what it should mean for the future of Shahdhor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Uh, I'm sorry, you mean the same two time Coach
of the Year that was actively living the lie that
is Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback, no other questions asked.
You mean the organization that is propped up that I
even understanding that they are smarter football minds than you
or I or anybody you know largely out here criticizing
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or taking things in second hand without as much information.
You mean that coach of the year who basically, you know,
I understand he got a knife in his back, probably
why he's sitting up there answering press conference questions. But
he's saying, knowing damn well that Deshaun Watson is not
a starting quarterback anymore. Deshawn's are starting quarterback. Deshawn's our
starting quarterback, over and over and over again, trying to
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talk himself into it. It seems it's as much as
he's trying to convince the rest of the world. You
mean that particular organization, I mean, FITZI, in eight out
of ten situations, you might be You might be onto
something there. This is the Cleveland Brown's baby. They don't
do things the way that anybody else would do them.
They do things the Browns way, and that's poorly, and
that's dysfunctionally. Then that's making a mess of everything. Hell,
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they couldn't even get through the draft without making a mess.
They had to take a quarterback in the third round,
take a quarterback in the fifth round, bring in Kenny Pickett,
sign Joe Laco.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
What else did they do? Who did in Snoop Untley
run around Cleveland right now?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So yeah, if we were to apply reasonable logic and
fact based information and apply it to football sensibilities, then yes,
I think you would be onto something here. But that
doesn't apply to the Cleveland Browns organization.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I do need to point out he's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason fitz him for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
Look at the schedule at the beginning like this. I'm
screaming this to Chador fans that want to see him
play Week one. The Browns have like you.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Just want to scream at Shador fans. It doesn't sound
like you got an issue with Shador. Sound like you
got an issue? Now, I got no issue.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Look, I want Shador and Dylan Gabriel Poult to win
starting jobs and make a ton of money, like I
want every quarterback to succeed. There aren't very many good
quarterbacks in the NFL. I want them all to make it.
But listen, this the beginning. I'm gonna give you the
beginning of the Brown schedule. The Bengals. Okay, fine, then
they got the Ravens, the Packers, the Lions, the Vikings,
the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Patriots, Jets, the Ravens again. Like,
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that is not an easy beginning of any of this. Like,
even if you're sitting here and you're a Chaudour apologist
and you're saying, somehow, some way he's gonna win this job,
don't you want to put him in the best situation.
My thing is the best situation, The best ability for
Schaudur is gonna come from developing the way the coaches
want him to develop every single day. And that's that's
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not a sexy answer. But I say this to you
all the time. This ozempic society that we live in
just drives me crazy. Everybody wants an injection that'll make
them skinny. Like, hell, if I could, if I could
go to a doctor today that would give me apps,
I would do it. I understand. It's a hell of
a lot easier than going to the gym. Every fan
of a bad franchise wants their Jade and Daniels. They
want Ozepic that's gonna suddenly fix everything. Most players are
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not CJ. Stroud or Jaden Daniels. So like, I know
you want o Zempic, but people in hell on Icewater.
Sometimes you just gotta do the work the long, painful way,
which is a process. And I don't think long term
that the Browns have a bad situation going here. They
have all year to figure out if Dylan Gabriel should
do or is the answer from what they see every
single day, and if he's not, they can draft a
different quarterback next year because they're not going to be
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very good. I just don't see why there's a rush
to put Schadeur on the on the field when frankly,
that just undermines the entire process and there is no
logic behind why it should happen. Like again, this is
the same team that drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round.
We don't have the benefit of knowing what Dylan Gabriel
looked like in the first preseason game.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
We haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So you're talking about specifically from the fans who are
in a rush to see him get out on the field.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, I don't think the organization fans in media.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't think the organization is any I believe this
media stuff and I and I have a tremendous amount
of respect for Lewis Riddick, but like this whole set
of setting him up to fail, uh narrative that's being propositioned.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
As far as the Chador Sanders stuff goes, I is
craziness to me. And I'm as skeptical of the Browns
as anybody understandably, so they're bad at this, they deserve skepticism.
I think the thing that will be the most telling
is what we have to wait, you know, the better
part of a month to find out, little less than
a month by the time Week one rolls around when
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the Browns open things up with the Bengals. As you mentioned,
if Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback, then the Browns
are making the right decision, even if at some point
there is absolutely value in finding out what you have
in either Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. At some point
in the season, Joe Flacco is gonna give you the
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best opportunity to win Week one, no matter which of
those three specifically you're talking about, respectfully to Snowpuntling, if
they roll either of the rookies out there and should
or you know, will be greeted with more fanfare and
more pressure and more coverage and all these other things.
And I'm sure the raiding on that Browns Carolina preseason
game was ungodly.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I didn't I have two people, that's disgusting.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Shame on all of you.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Really, go do something with your day like that's a
shame on all of you, really. And I'm an NFL reporter, Okay,
I know as long as there's football, there's money. But god, guys,
it's a preseason anyway.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
If they roll either.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
One of those rookies out there in Week one against
the Bengals, then you know it's the same old Browns
because there is logic and reason in giving the veteran,
putting the veteran out there who's going to give you
the best chance to succeed, and allowing for that process
to take place behind him on the depth chart, even
if you plan at some point to pull Joe Flacco
out of the lineup and see what you got in
the other two. If they roll with either of those
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two rookies, they will have succumbed to some level of
pressure whether it's external from the media or the fan base,
whether it is internal from the ownership, who's publicly distancing
himself from Shador Jimmy Haslm, And I've never heard Jimmy
Haslm talk this much in an offseason. So all of
a sudden, Jimmy Haslm turn into Jerry Jones. He can't
get away from a microphone. But if there is some
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level of pressure that they are succumbing to, we will
know it very quickly, and then it'll be I mean,
I'm I would be And I've said this before to you,
and I've said this before when we've done the Fox
stuff together. I would at that point hope for Kevin
Stefanski to be fired. Not because I think he's a
bad coach or a bad person or anything like that.
I just want him out of the Browns organization because
he is a two time Coach of the Year and
he deserves better.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
This is nonsense, absolute nonsense.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
All right, from one nonsensical story to another.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Schitur. I don't know why we care. He's not gonna
start Week one. The real question is will Micah Parsons
will break down the latest greatest drama from Jerry Jones.
That's right, it's today, which means we got more Micah drama.
We'll tell you about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason Fitz. We're in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
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Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'll be honest, I think fireworks kind of overrated. I'll
be honest, Like it's really the sweaty crowds.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Like there's just a lot of bunch sweat throughout the
course of this, like especially down in the South where
everybody's it's just hot and humid and like in.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Fact and just yeah, there's a lot of that. Are
you are you a pro?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Tell you fireworks cout? I hate fireworks. I think they're
giant pain in the ass.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I think that there is not a more overrated way
of celebrating in this world than the shooting off of fireworks.
Bro It takes me two hours to get in a
situation for me to properly see the fireworks. It is
such a pain in the ass for like seven minutes
of actual payoff.
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You you're used to working pretty hard for a seven
minute payoff. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging
out down at Fox Sports Radio. Buck is down in Atlanta.
I am sitting Connecticut right now, and one thing I
know is that neither of us are in the I
don't know, Sea of Drama, the absolute wasteland known as
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Dallas right now, where every day everything is more complicated
with the cowboys and the most complicated recent edition years.
I love that a reporter actually tried to hold Jerry
Jones accountable, asking Jerry if they've spoken, and the answer
was no, and it was like, well why not? And
Jerry didn't have a good answer for it, and Buck,
I just I keep thinking, this is ugly, and this
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is like, this is to me. If you've ever had
friends that have gone through a brutal breakup, you know
one thing you know during that breakup is that you're
gonna go to dinner with one of those friends and
they're going to spend the whole time being like, well,
he was the worst at this and I hated that, and.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You're gonna be a good friend.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You're gonna sit there and be like, you know what,
I know, he is the worst at all of these things.
And then, like I don't know, three months later, they
get back together and all of a sudden, you see
him at dinner and he's looking at you the whole time,
knowing what you said about him.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know. It's this weird thing you learn as you
get older that when your.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Friend sit you down to talk to talk about their breakup,
you just never take a side anymore. Right, Like we
don't have that grace here. You've got a really public
dispute from Jerry's end because he's always in front of
a microphone. My guy's never seen a microphone. He doesn't
want to sit down in front of him talk. So
now I feel like we're just constantly mommy and Daddy
are fighting and we're getting the story. And what's really
gonna be weird is week one, when I believe Michael
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will be on the field, He'll be very rich, and
he'll still be playing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The only thing that was ugly or is that face
you made while you were trying to suppress a burp
whilst whilst simultaneously telling people, did that Doug got leaves
YouTube channel?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
You know what, I was pretty proud of that I
managed to hold it back. I didn't, you know, I
felt like that was professional.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Okay, not here.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I could hear the burp struggling, trying to fight its
way out of your body, And you know it's if
I wasn't looking directly at which we're not on YouTube today,
are we got helpless?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
If we are, no, no, no, no, no, We're not
on YouTube today, nobody's going to see you eat your
Strip Club Wings, which I found out during the break
that Buck Rising actually whober Eats edidher you used Uber
Eats to get Strip Club Wings delivered to your hotel
room in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I don't know how I feel about that, Like.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That doesn't feel like that's normal, Like usually efficiency, there
was no like I don't know Buffalo Wild Wings or
Wings Stop or any other wing place that was closer.
You're really telling me that, minus all of the other
accouterments that come with Strip Club Wings, that you still
chose Strip Club Wings.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yes, by a mile, the Yanish City, Lemon pepper, honey,
gold combination side of fries, and a lovely coke that
I've got in front of me, And at the risk
of offending any Wing Wing Stop or Buffalo Wild Wings
sponsors that Fox Sports Radio may have, I'm sure those
are lovely establishments with lovely fair but the Strip Club
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Wings in Atlanta are superior to any other Wings that
you will find anywhere else in the country, including Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
So I largely agree with your point.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Though about Michael Parsons, I think he is going to
be a Dallas cowboy, and I think he's going to
be very, very well paid and They're just gonna stuff
is face full of money, like I stuffed my face
full of strip Club wings before the show began today.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
And everybody will be happy as a result.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
But uh, I think here is there are a couple
of things that have to be kept at the front
of your mind. Did you see Jerry Jones's interview on
the red carpet of this Netflix special that they're running
on the Cowboys? Have you seen this audio, this video
floating around where? And I don't want to put words
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in Jerry's mouth, so god knows, I really couldn't if
I tried. He says more more inflammatory things than either
of us could even imagine that he would say. But
he basically, I mean he didn't. Basically he did. He
copped to the idea of, yeah, if things get slow
conversationally around our football team, it is better for people
to talk about our football team. So I will stir
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things up so that people are talking about our football team.
And Jerry's maybe never been quite that blatant with it,
and we've always just kind of assumed that that's what
Jerry Jones does because of the behavior, in the pattern
of behavior that he's stuck to. His entire career, but
it's it's the first time that you've really had Jerry
on record with the quiet part out loud. And so
this Michael Parson's contract dispute situation is the latest example
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of that. But the thing here is FITZI in a
generation of social media athletes and athletes who are you know,
their screen time is somewhere between eight to ten hours
a day where they are reading everything about them, whether
it's actual, whether it's factual, or whether it's just stuff
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on the internet.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Like OBJ, you see what happened.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Odell Beckham Junior got got by the fake shifter and
he's you know, he's freaking out on Twitter because he
didn't bother to verify whether that was the verified Adam
Schefter reporting his retirement or not. And there was a
whole thing on Obj's timeline about this thing that wasn't real.
It's very easy for this generation of athletes to get
spun out and for a lot of that to be irreparable. Now,
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money is the answer to most of your problems, if
not all of your problems, or at least the answer
to all of your questions. Not your problems. Doesn't solve everything,
but it can solve a great deal a great many things.
Maybe there is enough money in the world in the
Dallas Cowboys pocketbook, if we're still doing pocketbooks in the
year twenty twenty five, to just shut Micah up with
the sheer amount of money that they're going to pay him.
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But I can't help but think that a more judicious
organization would not put themselves in a position where they
just have to shovel over money hand over fist just
to keep an athlete happy, rather than going through a
contract negotiation that is not just handshakes and glory holes
and whatever else. Jerry Jones wants to confuse glory holes
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in the oil man sense, of course, which is something,
by the way, a term that he likes to use
a great deal, But I felt I had to clarify
given the level of strip club discourse today, I think
that there are just so many avoidable pitfalls that Jerry
just can't help but step in the middle of. If
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for no other reason that people are going to talk
about the pitfalls that Jerry Jones are stepping in, and
that drives further conversation and interest in this football team,
which is insane. It's an insane way of doing things,
but it seems to work for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I mean, you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
We all have that friend that walks into a party
and sees two people standing next to each other that
they know are on different sides of a political issue
or whatever, and they'll immediately make an inflammatory statement just
to watch the entire house burn down as they leave.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
We all have that friend. That friend just happened one
hundred percent. That's why I was looking at you. That
friend just happens to be like the problematic grandpa version
of it, which is Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I do think there's one long term concern about the
solution of money with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast.
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Speaker 3 (22:55):
Another weekend of NFL preseason football is upon us, and
you're gonna make mistakes. Why because you're gonna put value
into it. And this is your annual reminder that no
matter how starved you are for football, no matter how
desperate you are to see your favorite team, no matter
how much you want to turn what you see this
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weekend into something big, the fact is none of it matters.
And I don't fault you for watching it. I'll watch it,
we'll watch it. We're all fans, but we're better if
we just acknowledge before we even get into the weekend
that none of it means anything.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz hanging out with him. Buck,
I don't. I'm not a nihilist.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Hell, I'm not smart enough to really know what anihlist is.
I had to look it up when somebody called me
a nihilist, So like, I get it. Like I'm not
a nothing matters person. I'm genuinely not. I'm a logic person.
So for me, I like everything to stack together.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And it's fine.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I'm one of those people that if you want to
sit down and explain to me the why and the how,
I desperately want to listen to it. But also if
you want to tell me nothing and just tell me
I have to deal with it, that's okay too. I
don't need to try and like make a big deal
out of absolutely anything, which is why it's funny that
I do this for a limis sometimes because everything's a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I just am so.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
To me, it's so clear the preseason football is completely
and totally meaningless in every possible way. There is no
takeaway that matters in preseason football at all other than health.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Health.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'll buy all day long, every other ounce of it.
If somebody's great, well it's because they were playing a
vanilla defense against the vanilla office and they weren't asked
to do anything. If somebody's terrible, it's because well they
were playing, you know, to try try and take chances.
Quarterbacks gotta take chances in preseason and practice, so none
of it matters.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Like we get a small glimpse.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
This weekend into the second weekend of pro football for
the preseason, and all I keep thinking is why, Like
I guess I'm at that spot now where I would
just rather we only watch backups and no single like,
no starters play, and it's all just a bunch of
you know, it's practice squad guys. Try now, because we're
desperate for football, we want to watch it. I want
to watch the Raiders play the forty nine ers this weekend.
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But if they win sixty to nothing or they lose
sixty to nothing, it won't mean a damn thing for
Week one.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Well, I disagree.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
It depends on what context that you're looking for here,
because I so from your perspective, you are viewing it
on television as a football fan, and as a football fan,
you will try not you specifically, but anybody who just
is watching as a casual fan is just desperate for football.
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God to help you. Degenerates that are actually betting on
this stuff, and I know plenty of you are.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Sick.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I mean, it's just it's absolutely it's a disease that
you have if you're betting on preseason football. Though I
respect it.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
It is uh.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
It has great meaning though for the people on the
rosters trying to make it. It has great meaning for
the success or failure of a season if you're looking
down a depth chart. And for example, so I cover
a team for a living, like that's that's my day job.
I cover the Tennessee Titans for people that don't know
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us or being introduced to us, or may have heard
us in passing or whatever, Like we don't just talk
on the radio for a living, like I cover a team,
I go to practice. I'm here in Atlanta covering joint
training camp practices with the Tennessee Titans and the Atlanta Falcons,
and I will see a preseason game tomorrow that I
will have to extract meaning from, not because I have to,
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but because there is meaning to be extracted from it. Fitzy,
It's like Tidies have a second round pass rusher that
you've probably never heard of unless you're a die hard
Pac twelve guy, or I guess technically a Big ten
guy because U see La is now in the Big ten.
Femi Olodeesa second round pick off ball linebacker that they're
converting to edge guys, played like nine games as a
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pass rusher and they drafted him in the second round
off traits and tools. Okay, I'm watching a guy get
stonewalled by the Falcons backup tackle and trying to figure out,
all right, did they make a mistake in the second round?
What is the logic here behind drafting this player where
they did, knowing that it was going to be a
project on a staff by the way, that finished three
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and fourteen last year and will be fired because their
ownership can't be trusted to allow things to play out,
even though they continue to preach as a front office
patients over panic and all these different things. So I
have to sit there and talk to and get to
sit there and talk to football people about all right,
what should I be looking for in a preseason game
from this player? What kind of situations are you trying
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to put him in? What is he struggling with right now?
Why is he defaulting to his traits rather than applying
the technique that I see him practicing all week in practice,
But all of a sudden he just loses it when
he gets in the preseason game and he tries to
win based on tools as opposed to skill. Like, the
development of these players matters a great deal to the
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long term, long term success as you're building up a franchise.
Titans couldn't be more of a rebuild than they are
right now. There's plenty of organizations, I mean your Raiders.
I know the Raiders are doing it a bit differently
with a thirty five or thirty four year old quarterback
and a seventy three year old head coach, but there
are things here that will give them success or cause
them to not achieve their success based on what you're
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seeing the lessons that they are trying to apply as
football people on their football team. Now, if you don't
care about that crap, and you just want to know
why the you know, why the Chiefs didn't cover the
spread in Week five or something like that, that's not
going to matter to you. But if you're actually trying
to learn about the things that these football coaches and
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front office people and scouts are trying to evaluate in
real time, then there is great value.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But it's granular. It's very, very.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Granular, And I don't know how many people actually care
about the granular as opposed to just give me football.
Why are you telling me these things don't matter. Why
won't this quarterback stop throwing interceptions?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think there's an in Beach line on that somewhere.
I just looked it up.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Max Crosby didn't get his first sack in the NFL
until his fifth game, five games. Crazy, I mean, so
when you think about it, I just these are the
moments that I yell and scream. I hear you, right,
I understand that we all do. Every fan I'm talking
here as a voice of the fan I think one
thing that I've always looked at from my microphone is
I got to where I am because of my fandom,
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and it's something that I was able to turn into
a career. So I love speaking to the fans, and
I understand that we all have a player or two
that we fall in love with during training camp that
we just whether it's because we play the video game
and like that is our guy. There's a period in
my life where I decided that Marquez Tuiasa Sopo was
gonna be the future quarterback of my beloved Raiders, and
I was convinced.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I was convinced. So every time there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Preseason games, like, I gotta see what Tuwi does, because
this one's gonna be Tuiasa Sopo's gonna be the man.
This is what we all do. You're right, there are
granular things that you can learn, and certainly when you
see over arching problems, sometimes it can be a little
bit of an eyebrow raiser. But the first month of
the NFL season is so wild. Like I do like
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to bet on football games, I no longer bet on
the NFL in the first two weeks of the season
at all. There is not a bet I will place
the first two weekends of the season. Why because I've
decided over the last couple of years that all you're
doing is throwing good money at bad Because most of
these teams don't actually play their starters much in the
course of the preseason. All of a sudden, they don't
really have anything that's out there for you. Everything's gonna
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look rusty, it's gonna look disjointed the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like, guess what.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
This is terrible analysis for most of you, but I
think it's the most honest thing you'll ever hear about
the beginning of the NFL team season. Your team might
win a couple of games in the beginning of the
year or lose a couple of games in the beginning
of the year that they shouldn't because they just weren't
ready to start the season. Like everything is so chaotic
at the beginning of the year that to me, I
don't think you really have a set s. They always
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say in baseball, you don't really know who your team
is gonna be until you hit the beginning of June.
I think in modern NFL games, even though there's only
seventeen of them over eighteen weeks. I think it takes
the first four weeks of the season to figure out
where you are, so I genuinely truly put no weight.
Now you're in practice every day, so I do think
there is waight to hey, in practice, I saw this,
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you know.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I'll go back to my fanom of the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
There is an offensive line battle going on right now
between Meredith and JPJ that nobody expected was gonna happen,
and so all of a sudden that does become interesting.
How it looks in a preseason game is going to
be over evaluated. But for most of us that are
just watching the preseason game, I don't think again to
go back to what we talked about with Shaduur versus
Dylan Gabriel, I don't think we have enough context, like
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you have context on the Titans and on the Falcons,
because you're seeing the both in practice this week, and
what you see on tomorrow's preseason game or Saturday tomorrow's
preseason game, that's going to be a translation of what
you saw in joint practices. That is valuable and that's why, honestly,
people that care about the Titans should listen to you
when you talk about it, because you can offer your
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insights on that. I think there's tremendous power that. I
don't think that there's tremendous any in watching the number
of times I have seen a wide receiver none of
us has ever heard of that's listed at five to ten,
that's really five to seven. Have the led the preseason
in yardage and catches and then he gets inevitably cut
in the last cut, and the fan base loses their
damn minds apoplectic. How could you cut that guy? And
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it's like, I don't even remember who that guy is
three years but that's how the preseason is.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I've got one here. Xavier Restreppo, he's cam Ward's buddy,
rights he led. He broke the program franchise receptions record
in a game that I in fact watched rewatched last
night because it just happened to be on ESPN. You
Louisville at Miami. Xavier Restreppo broke Michael Irvin's receptions record
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at Miami, which is crazy. Guy is practiced quite the best.
But fan bases will attach themselves to these things because
it's more fun and easier, and it does nothing wrong
with it. In attaching yourself to those storylines and creating
whatever narratives you want to create, whatever you think should
be done with your respective football team, in this case,
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specific to football in the preseason versus what actually is
going on with the talent evaluators and the coaches who
see them every day and in the meeting rooms, which
is additional context that we don't have that matters a
great deal in terms of can they learn the playbook?
Are they retaining all these things? Are they retaining these things,
but can they actually implement them in practice or game
type situations. All this kind of stuff that is far
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less interesting to talk about than should the Brown start
Shador Sanders week one?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
And that's there's a place for that too.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I don't want to be dismissive of that fan that
approach by certain segments of fan bases, because that is
also fair dialogue, Like you should be able to have
a half baked opinion and argue about it with your
buddies if that's what you want to do for fun.
I'm not here to deprive you of that. I'm just
here to offer you more context if you would like it.
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If you would like more context, I here to help you.
If you are not interested in more context, that's fine.
I'll probably yell at you on the radio about it.
But you know, ebbs and flows with all these things.
The other part of this is before you make whatever
points you're going to make, and I'm sure it's an
important one. I think there should be a preseason MVP.
I think that we should we should give these guys
their moment in the sun. I think that that would
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make the dialogue even dumber. I think that people would
assign great value to the preseason MVP. Look at me,
he's disgusted. You could if we were on the Doug
Gottlieb YouTube channel today, which you can subscribe to wherever
you are consuming Doug Gottlieb shows. But I want a
preseason MVP at least just to keep fans interested for
for a longer period of time other than checking out
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halfway through the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Look, that is the worst idea you've ever had, Almost
as bad as the inn seed whatever, the n season
tournament that the Lakers won once and then they actually
discussed whether or not they were going to put that
trophy up, Like, I mean, it wasn't my idea. I mean, no, no, no,
but I mean that that's that's a lettle of stupid
you're proposing. Okay, all that to say, I'm so floored
by the stupidity of that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
You know, things got weird sitting in for Doug Gottlieb.
It's fucking fits. He's Buck rising up, Jason Fitz. They're
letting the kids come in and play with the adults
at the big grown up table. I don't know how
we feel about this, Buck. It's gonna be a little interesting.
We're gonna be with Fox Sports Radio today. We're gonna
be with Fox Sports Radio in the morning. Are we
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kicked out of the holiday gathering by.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The end of the week. Only time will tell. But
what I know.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What I know is that we will not give the
grace of time. We will not give the grace of patience.
We will not give the grace of just stepping back
and letting things be when it comes to the Cleveland
Browns quarterback situation. And to me, my friend, it is
the biggest, wildest and grossest storyline in preseason football.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Here's the real headline.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Fifth round quarterback pick performs well and is still fourth
on the depth chart.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
That's it. That's the end of it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
But no, it can't be the end of it because
it's Shadoor Sanders, and that means the takes are flying everywhere.
Buck Rising, Jason Fits hanging out with you for Doug
Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I'm just tired of it.
I'm exhausted. I don't care. You know what, here's the thing.
Maybe I'm worked up because I'm already hours into my day.
Maybe when worked up because you're sitting in Atlanta just
enjoying wings from a particular establishment.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I don't know, but I'm worked up today.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And I'm worked up because Shador Sanders goes out and
plays well in a preseason game, which is great. That's awesome.
I'm rooting for that. It's wonderful. Can't it just be that?
Why does it have to suddenly mean anything else? Because
I see all of these social media reports telling me,
oh my god, the Browns don't have a healthy quarterback
and what are they doing in Shador might not be
able to play this weekend. And I keep looking around saying, guys,
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the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns is Joe Flacco,
and he's fine, He's gonna play week one. All of
this is over somebody that's not even gonna play at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Why do we care so much?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Well, for the same reason, FITZI that I care to
get my wings from a strip club in Atlanta as
opposed to from any other establishment in the world, because
sometimes you just gotta have a little extra pizazz on things.
And Shadoor brings the strip club. I mean you said
a particular establishment. I don't know what you're scared of.
It's it's Atlanta, baby, People go there for a happy
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hour on a Monday. Magic City, you know the drill.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
But well you're just presumed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Look, Cheatahs is better than Magic City, by the way,
I mean, I don't know if we're talking about the
wings anymore.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
I go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
No, I'm just saying like, sometimes the presentation is as
much as as much a part of the story as
is the actual product itself. And Shadoor, whatever he is
at this particular point in time, which is very much
fourth on the depth chart of the Cleveland Browns that
seem to have seventeen different quarterbacks flying around the place
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at any given point. He presented pretty well. And if
America's only exposure beyond training camp tweets and reports and
things like that is Shador Sanders preseason debut, then how
could you possibly blame people for trying to detach themselves
for what their eyes are directly seeing, which is a
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kid that went out there and tore it up and
had way more of a live arm than anybody expected
to Shador Sanders to have and understanding against preseason, and
they're not scheming things up, and that if you don't
look good during preseason, that's a bigger story as we
could talk about with some of these players, although all
four of the quarterbacks that are largely in the discussion
that are most discussed at this point in time seem
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like they had a pretty nice first outing. I'll cover
cam Ward, the number one overall draft pick, tomorrow here
in Atlanta against the Falcons, and we'll see how much
more legs that has. But listen, I cover cam Ward.
He's spectacularly boring in everything that he does and that's great,
that's wonderful. That's exactly what a dysfunctional organization like the
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Tennessee Titans needs is somebody to settle him down a
little bit. A twenty three year old that carries himself
like he's thirty three, Shador Sanders is quite the opposite,
and not even from a personality standpoint, because frankly, I
think he's handled a lot of this pretty damn well
fits but all the things that are surrounding Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
He grew up on reality TV.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
What is America Love if not a Reality TV with
a with a spinoff that we can continue to follow
in a nationally televised event. And football Reality TV Football
Shador Sanders at the intersection. How could you possibly be
confused as to why people are interested?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Number One, I feel like I'm not even allowed to say,
God forbid, like this is a very true story. I
had a take on Inside Coverage one of my Yahoo shows,
How to Take last week, and I said, I think
it was lose lose for the Browns to play Shador early,
And the entirety of my take was it's lose lose
because if he gets on the field and he's terrible,
There'll be no grace. And then the other side of
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it is if he gets on the field and he's
absolutely lights out, Now the Browns are gonna have to
spend every day answering questions about their depth chart, why
they made the decisions they made all of these, why
he fell to the fifth.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That was the entirety of my take.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yahoo clipped a portion of that and put it up,
but I was cut off and cut off after the
if he stinks, there'll be no grace portion of my take,
for which I have thousands at this point of comments
that tell me that I'm racist, that I don't know anything,
that I'm an idiot, that I.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Don't know how to talk about football.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
All of these different things, all because I said, if
he doesn't play well, there'll be no grace. Like you
can't even have a lukewarm opinion about Shadur at this
point without people just deciding that means you are either
biased by your hatred of Shador or biased by your
love of shudor so that's already frustrating to me. But
then the bigger part of this is you see a
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team every day in practice, you see bad football team.
But you see a team every day in practice. We
know what practice means, We know what meetings mean to
the organization. Look what we have seen since the draft.
At the draft, the Cleveland Browns told you that they
believe Dylan Gabriel was two rounds better, not two picks,
not ten picks, two rounds better than Shador Sanders for
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their franchise. For whatever reason, they took Dylan Gabriel in
the third run. Since then, the reporters I've talked to
that had been to Brown's practice, it made it clear
that Dylan Gabriel was breaking down the offense faster, was
processing things faster, and in general seemed to be ahead
of him in all things practice related to this. So,
while you're right, we've had three quarters of chadur on
the field, we haven't had a single second a Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
On the field. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And the other part of it is, last time I
tech checked, Kevin Stefanski is a two time Coach of
the Year. So unless you believe that a two time
coach of the Year is so eagermaniacal and so full
of pride and so flat out stupid and bad at
his job that he will just continue to live some
wild live so that Shadoor Sanders is held down. The
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reality of it is they believed Shadour was a lesser
quarterback even when they drafted him than Dylan Gabriel. They
have since then had months of practice and meetings where
the greater of the two quarterbacks that they drafted has
Outside Shadoor, all we have is three quarters of one
preseason game.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
That's all the information we get.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So I don't understand why everyone thinks that suddenly a
depth chart is going to change the mind of an
entire organization that sees him in every meeting, that processes
everything that happens, in every piece of film, that records
every practice, that looks back at every sing like we
have a tenth of the evidence, Like every conspiracy theorist
that's a dumb ass that's out there telling us something.
We have a tenth of the evidence without any of
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the full context, and then we make sweeping decisions on
what it should mean for the future of Shahdhor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Uh, I'm sorry, you mean the same two time Coach
of the Year that was actively living the lie that
is Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback, no other questions asked.
You mean the organization that is propped up that I
even understanding that they are smarter football minds than you
or I or anybody you know largely out here criticizing
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or taking things in second hand without as much information.
You mean that coach of the year who basically, you know,
I understand he got a knife in his back, probably
why he's sitting up there answering press conference questions. But
he's saying, knowing damn well that Deshaun Watson is not
a starting quarterback anymore. Deshawn's are starting quarterback. Deshawn's our
starting quarterback, over and over and over again, trying to
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talk himself into it. It seems it's as much as
he's trying to convince the rest of the world. You
mean that particular organization, I mean, FITZI, in eight out
of ten situations, you might be You might be onto
something there. This is the Cleveland Brown's baby. They don't
do things the way that anybody else would do them.
They do things the Browns way, and that's poorly, and
that's dysfunctionally. Then that's making a mess of everything. Hell,
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they couldn't even get through the draft without making a mess.
They had to take a quarterback in the third round,
take a quarterback in the fifth round, bring in Kenny Pickett,
sign Joe Laco.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
What else did they do? Who did in Snoop Untley
run around Cleveland right now?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
So yeah, if we were to apply reasonable logic and
fact based information and apply it to football sensibilities, then yes,
I think you would be onto something here. But that
doesn't apply to the Cleveland Browns organization.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I do need to point out he's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason fitz him for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
Look at the schedule at the beginning like this. I'm
screaming this to Chador fans that want to see him
play Week one. The Browns have like you.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Just want to scream at Shador fans. It doesn't sound
like you got an issue with Shador. Sound like you
got an issue? Now, I got no issue.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Look, I want Shador and Dylan Gabriel Poult to win
starting jobs and make a ton of money, like I
want every quarterback to succeed. There aren't very many good
quarterbacks in the NFL. I want them all to make it.
But listen, this the beginning. I'm gonna give you the
beginning of the Brown schedule. The Bengals. Okay, fine, then
they got the Ravens, the Packers, the Lions, the Vikings,
the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Patriots, Jets, the Ravens again. Like,
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that is not an easy beginning of any of this. Like,
even if you're sitting here and you're a Chaudour apologist
and you're saying, somehow, some way he's gonna win this job,
don't you want to put him in the best situation.
My thing is the best situation, The best ability for
Schaudur is gonna come from developing the way the coaches
want him to develop every single day. And that's that's
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not a sexy answer. But I say this to you
all the time. This ozempic society that we live in
just drives me crazy. Everybody wants an injection that'll make
them skinny. Like, hell, if I could, if I could
go to a doctor today that would give me apps,
I would do it. I understand. It's a hell of
a lot easier than going to the gym. Every fan
of a bad franchise wants their Jade and Daniels. They
want Ozepic that's gonna suddenly fix everything. Most players are
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not CJ. Stroud or Jaden Daniels. So like, I know
you want o Zempic, but people in hell on Icewater.
Sometimes you just gotta do the work the long, painful way,
which is a process. And I don't think long term
that the Browns have a bad situation going here. They
have all year to figure out if Dylan Gabriel should
do or is the answer from what they see every
single day, and if he's not, they can draft a
different quarterback next year because they're not going to be
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very good. I just don't see why there's a rush
to put Schadeur on the on the field when frankly,
that just undermines the entire process and there is no
logic behind why it should happen. Like again, this is
the same team that drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round.
We don't have the benefit of knowing what Dylan Gabriel
looked like in the first preseason game.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
We haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So you're talking about specifically from the fans who are
in a rush to see him get out on the field.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, I don't think the organization fans in media.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't think the organization is any I believe this
media stuff and I and I have a tremendous amount
of respect for Lewis Riddick, but like this whole set
of setting him up to fail, uh narrative that's being propositioned.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
As far as the Chador Sanders stuff goes, I is
craziness to me. And I'm as skeptical of the Browns
as anybody understandably, so they're bad at this, they deserve skepticism.
I think the thing that will be the most telling
is what we have to wait, you know, the better
part of a month to find out, little less than
a month by the time Week one rolls around when
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the Browns open things up with the Bengals. As you mentioned,
if Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback, then the Browns
are making the right decision, even if at some point
there is absolutely value in finding out what you have
in either Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. At some point
in the season, Joe Flacco is gonna give you the
(12:22):
best opportunity to win Week one, no matter which of
those three specifically you're talking about, respectfully to Snowpuntling, if
they roll either of the rookies out there and should
or you know, will be greeted with more fanfare and
more pressure and more coverage and all these other things.
And I'm sure the raiding on that Browns Carolina preseason
game was ungodly.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I didn't I have two people, that's disgusting.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Shame on all of you.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Really, go do something with your day like that's a
shame on all of you, really. And I'm an NFL reporter, Okay,
I know as long as there's football, there's money. But god, guys,
it's a preseason anyway.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
If they roll either.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
One of those rookies out there in Week one against
the Bengals, then you know it's the same old Browns
because there is logic and reason in giving the veteran,
putting the veteran out there who's going to give you
the best chance to succeed, and allowing for that process
to take place behind him on the depth chart, even
if you plan at some point to pull Joe Flacco
out of the lineup and see what you got in
the other two. If they roll with either of those
(13:21):
two rookies, they will have succumbed to some level of
pressure whether it's external from the media or the fan base,
whether it is internal from the ownership, who's publicly distancing
himself from Shador Jimmy Haslm, And I've never heard Jimmy
Haslm talk this much in an offseason. So all of
a sudden, Jimmy Haslm turn into Jerry Jones. He can't
get away from a microphone. But if there is some
(13:43):
level of pressure that they are succumbing to, we will
know it very quickly, and then it'll be I mean,
I'm I would be And I've said this before to you,
and I've said this before when we've done the Fox
stuff together. I would at that point hope for Kevin
Stefanski to be fired. Not because I think he's a
bad coach or a bad person or anything like that.
I just want him out of the Browns organization because
he is a two time Coach of the Year and
he deserves better.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
This is nonsense, absolute nonsense.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
All right, from one nonsensical story to another.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Schitur. I don't know why we care. He's not gonna
start Week one. The real question is will Micah Parsons
will break down the latest greatest drama from Jerry Jones.
That's right, it's today, which means we got more Micah drama.
We'll tell you about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason Fitz. We're in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
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I'll be honest, I think fireworks kind of overrated. I'll
be honest, Like it's really the sweaty crowds.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Like there's just a lot of bunch sweat throughout the
course of this, like especially down in the South where
everybody's it's just hot and humid and like in.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Fact and just yeah, there's a lot of that. Are
you are you a pro?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Tell you fireworks cout? I hate fireworks. I think they're
giant pain in the ass.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
I think that there is not a more overrated way
of celebrating in this world than the shooting off of fireworks.
Bro It takes me two hours to get in a
situation for me to properly see the fireworks. It is
such a pain in the ass for like seven minutes
of actual payoff.
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You you're used to working pretty hard for a seven
minute payoff. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging
out down at Fox Sports Radio. Buck is down in Atlanta.
I am sitting Connecticut right now, and one thing I
know is that neither of us are in the I
don't know, Sea of Drama, the absolute wasteland known as
(16:08):
Dallas right now, where every day everything is more complicated
with the cowboys and the most complicated recent edition years.
I love that a reporter actually tried to hold Jerry
Jones accountable, asking Jerry if they've spoken, and the answer
was no, and it was like, well why not? And
Jerry didn't have a good answer for it, and Buck,
I just I keep thinking, this is ugly, and this
(16:30):
is like, this is to me. If you've ever had
friends that have gone through a brutal breakup, you know
one thing you know during that breakup is that you're
gonna go to dinner with one of those friends and
they're going to spend the whole time being like, well,
he was the worst at this and I hated that, and.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
You're gonna be a good friend.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You're gonna sit there and be like, you know what,
I know, he is the worst at all of these things.
And then, like I don't know, three months later, they
get back together and all of a sudden, you see
him at dinner and he's looking at you the whole time,
knowing what you said about him.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know. It's this weird thing you learn as you
get older that when your.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Friend sit you down to talk to talk about their breakup,
you just never take a side anymore. Right, Like we
don't have that grace here. You've got a really public
dispute from Jerry's end because he's always in front of
a microphone. My guy's never seen a microphone. He doesn't
want to sit down in front of him talk. So
now I feel like we're just constantly mommy and Daddy
are fighting and we're getting the story. And what's really
gonna be weird is week one, when I believe Michael
(17:20):
will be on the field, He'll be very rich, and
he'll still be playing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The only thing that was ugly or is that face
you made while you were trying to suppress a burp
whilst whilst simultaneously telling people, did that Doug got leaves
YouTube channel?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
You know what, I was pretty proud of that I
managed to hold it back. I didn't, you know, I
felt like that was professional.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Okay, not here.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I could hear the burp struggling, trying to fight its
way out of your body, And you know it's if
I wasn't looking directly at which we're not on YouTube today,
are we got helpless?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
If we are, no, no, no, no, no, We're not
on YouTube today, nobody's going to see you eat your
Strip Club Wings, which I found out during the break
that Buck Rising actually whober Eats edidher you used Uber
Eats to get Strip Club Wings delivered to your hotel
room in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I don't know how I feel about that, Like.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
That doesn't feel like that's normal, Like usually efficiency, there
was no like I don't know Buffalo Wild Wings or
Wings Stop or any other wing place that was closer.
You're really telling me that, minus all of the other
accouterments that come with Strip Club Wings, that you still
chose Strip Club Wings.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Yes, by a mile, the Yanish City, Lemon pepper, honey,
gold combination side of fries, and a lovely coke that
I've got in front of me, And at the risk
of offending any Wing Wing Stop or Buffalo Wild Wings
sponsors that Fox Sports Radio may have, I'm sure those
are lovely establishments with lovely fair but the Strip Club
(18:47):
Wings in Atlanta are superior to any other Wings that
you will find anywhere else in the country, including Buffalo.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
So I largely agree with your point.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Though about Michael Parsons, I think he is going to
be a Dallas cowboy, and I think he's going to
be very, very well paid and They're just gonna stuff
is face full of money, like I stuffed my face
full of strip Club wings before the show began today.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
And everybody will be happy as a result.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
But uh, I think here is there are a couple
of things that have to be kept at the front
of your mind. Did you see Jerry Jones's interview on
the red carpet of this Netflix special that they're running
on the Cowboys? Have you seen this audio, this video
floating around where? And I don't want to put words
(19:28):
in Jerry's mouth, so god knows, I really couldn't if
I tried. He says more more inflammatory things than either
of us could even imagine that he would say. But
he basically, I mean he didn't. Basically he did. He
copped to the idea of, yeah, if things get slow
conversationally around our football team, it is better for people
to talk about our football team. So I will stir
(19:48):
things up so that people are talking about our football team.
And Jerry's maybe never been quite that blatant with it,
and we've always just kind of assumed that that's what
Jerry Jones does because of the behavior, in the pattern
of behavior that he's stuck to. His entire career, but
it's it's the first time that you've really had Jerry
on record with the quiet part out loud. And so
this Michael Parson's contract dispute situation is the latest example
(20:11):
of that. But the thing here is FITZI in a
generation of social media athletes and athletes who are you know,
their screen time is somewhere between eight to ten hours
a day where they are reading everything about them, whether
it's actual, whether it's factual, or whether it's just stuff
(20:31):
on the internet.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Like OBJ, you see what happened.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Odell Beckham Junior got got by the fake shifter and
he's you know, he's freaking out on Twitter because he
didn't bother to verify whether that was the verified Adam
Schefter reporting his retirement or not. And there was a
whole thing on Obj's timeline about this thing that wasn't real.
It's very easy for this generation of athletes to get
spun out and for a lot of that to be irreparable. Now,
(20:55):
money is the answer to most of your problems, if
not all of your problems, or at least the answer
to all of your questions. Not your problems. Doesn't solve everything,
but it can solve a great deal a great many things.
Maybe there is enough money in the world in the
Dallas Cowboys pocketbook, if we're still doing pocketbooks in the
year twenty twenty five, to just shut Micah up with
the sheer amount of money that they're going to pay him.
(21:16):
But I can't help but think that a more judicious
organization would not put themselves in a position where they
just have to shovel over money hand over fist just
to keep an athlete happy, rather than going through a
contract negotiation that is not just handshakes and glory holes
and whatever else. Jerry Jones wants to confuse glory holes
(21:37):
in the oil man sense, of course, which is something,
by the way, a term that he likes to use
a great deal, But I felt I had to clarify
given the level of strip club discourse today, I think
that there are just so many avoidable pitfalls that Jerry
just can't help but step in the middle of. If
(21:58):
for no other reason that people are going to talk
about the pitfalls that Jerry Jones are stepping in, and
that drives further conversation and interest in this football team,
which is insane. It's an insane way of doing things,
but it seems to work for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I mean, you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
We all have that friend that walks into a party
and sees two people standing next to each other that
they know are on different sides of a political issue
or whatever, and they'll immediately make an inflammatory statement just
to watch the entire house burn down as they leave.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
We all have that friend. That friend just happened one
hundred percent. That's why I was looking at you. That
friend just happens to be like the problematic grandpa version
of it, which is Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I do think there's one long term concern about the
solution of money with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to
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Speaker 3 (22:55):
Another weekend of NFL preseason football is upon us, and
you're gonna make mistakes. Why because you're gonna put value
into it. And this is your annual reminder that no
matter how starved you are for football, no matter how
desperate you are to see your favorite team, no matter
how much you want to turn what you see this
(23:16):
weekend into something big, the fact is none of it matters.
And I don't fault you for watching it. I'll watch it,
we'll watch it. We're all fans, but we're better if
we just acknowledge before we even get into the weekend
that none of it means anything.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz hanging out with him. Buck,
I don't. I'm not a nihilist.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Hell, I'm not smart enough to really know what anihlist is.
I had to look it up when somebody called me
a nihilist, So like, I get it. Like I'm not
a nothing matters person. I'm genuinely not. I'm a logic person.
So for me, I like everything to stack together.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
And it's fine.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I'm one of those people that if you want to
sit down and explain to me the why and the how,
I desperately want to listen to it. But also if
you want to tell me nothing and just tell me
I have to deal with it, that's okay too. I
don't need to try and like make a big deal
out of absolutely anything, which is why it's funny that
I do this for a limis sometimes because everything's a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I just am so.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
To me, it's so clear the preseason football is completely
and totally meaningless in every possible way. There is no
takeaway that matters in preseason football at all other than health.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Health.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'll buy all day long, every other ounce of it.
If somebody's great, well it's because they were playing a
vanilla defense against the vanilla office and they weren't asked
to do anything. If somebody's terrible, it's because well they
were playing, you know, to try try and take chances.
Quarterbacks gotta take chances in preseason and practice, so none
of it matters.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Like we get a small glimpse.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
This weekend into the second weekend of pro football for
the preseason, and all I keep thinking is why, Like
I guess I'm at that spot now where I would
just rather we only watch backups and no single like,
no starters play, and it's all just a bunch of
you know, it's practice squad guys. Try now, because we're
desperate for football, we want to watch it. I want
to watch the Raiders play the forty nine ers this weekend.
(25:07):
But if they win sixty to nothing or they lose
sixty to nothing, it won't mean a damn thing for
Week one.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Well, I disagree.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
It depends on what context that you're looking for here,
because I so from your perspective, you are viewing it
on television as a football fan, and as a football fan,
you will try not you specifically, but anybody who just
is watching as a casual fan is just desperate for football.
(25:37):
God to help you. Degenerates that are actually betting on
this stuff, and I know plenty of you are.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Sick.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I mean, it's just it's absolutely it's a disease that
you have if you're betting on preseason football. Though I
respect it.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
It is uh.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
It has great meaning though for the people on the
rosters trying to make it. It has great meaning for
the success or failure of a season if you're looking
down a depth chart. And for example, so I cover
a team for a living, like that's that's my day job.
I cover the Tennessee Titans for people that don't know
(26:13):
us or being introduced to us, or may have heard
us in passing or whatever, Like we don't just talk
on the radio for a living, like I cover a team,
I go to practice. I'm here in Atlanta covering joint
training camp practices with the Tennessee Titans and the Atlanta Falcons,
and I will see a preseason game tomorrow that I
will have to extract meaning from, not because I have to,
(26:35):
but because there is meaning to be extracted from it. Fitzy,
It's like Tidies have a second round pass rusher that
you've probably never heard of unless you're a die hard
Pac twelve guy, or I guess technically a Big ten
guy because U see La is now in the Big ten.
Femi Olodeesa second round pick off ball linebacker that they're
converting to edge guys, played like nine games as a
(26:57):
pass rusher and they drafted him in the second round
off traits and tools. Okay, I'm watching a guy get
stonewalled by the Falcons backup tackle and trying to figure out,
all right, did they make a mistake in the second round?
What is the logic here behind drafting this player where
they did, knowing that it was going to be a
project on a staff by the way, that finished three
(27:18):
and fourteen last year and will be fired because their
ownership can't be trusted to allow things to play out,
even though they continue to preach as a front office
patients over panic and all these different things. So I
have to sit there and talk to and get to
sit there and talk to football people about all right,
what should I be looking for in a preseason game
from this player? What kind of situations are you trying
(27:38):
to put him in? What is he struggling with right now?
Why is he defaulting to his traits rather than applying
the technique that I see him practicing all week in practice,
But all of a sudden he just loses it when
he gets in the preseason game and he tries to
win based on tools as opposed to skill. Like, the
development of these players matters a great deal to the
(28:00):
long term, long term success as you're building up a franchise.
Titans couldn't be more of a rebuild than they are
right now. There's plenty of organizations, I mean your Raiders.
I know the Raiders are doing it a bit differently
with a thirty five or thirty four year old quarterback
and a seventy three year old head coach, but there
are things here that will give them success or cause
them to not achieve their success based on what you're
(28:21):
seeing the lessons that they are trying to apply as
football people on their football team. Now, if you don't
care about that crap, and you just want to know
why the you know, why the Chiefs didn't cover the
spread in Week five or something like that, that's not
going to matter to you. But if you're actually trying
to learn about the things that these football coaches and
(28:42):
front office people and scouts are trying to evaluate in
real time, then there is great value.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But it's granular. It's very, very.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Granular, And I don't know how many people actually care
about the granular as opposed to just give me football.
Why are you telling me these things don't matter. Why
won't this quarterback stop throwing interceptions?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think there's an in Beach line on that somewhere.
I just looked it up.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Max Crosby didn't get his first sack in the NFL
until his fifth game, five games. Crazy, I mean, so
when you think about it, I just these are the
moments that I yell and scream. I hear you, right,
I understand that we all do. Every fan I'm talking
here as a voice of the fan I think one
thing that I've always looked at from my microphone is
I got to where I am because of my fandom,
(29:21):
and it's something that I was able to turn into
a career. So I love speaking to the fans, and
I understand that we all have a player or two
that we fall in love with during training camp that
we just whether it's because we play the video game
and like that is our guy. There's a period in
my life where I decided that Marquez Tuiasa Sopo was
gonna be the future quarterback of my beloved Raiders, and
I was convinced.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I was convinced. So every time there was a.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Preseason games, like, I gotta see what Tuwi does, because
this one's gonna be Tuiasa Sopo's gonna be the man.
This is what we all do. You're right, there are
granular things that you can learn, and certainly when you
see over arching problems, sometimes it can be a little
bit of an eyebrow raiser. But the first month of
the NFL season is so wild. Like I do like
(30:05):
to bet on football games, I no longer bet on
the NFL in the first two weeks of the season
at all. There is not a bet I will place
the first two weekends of the season. Why because I've
decided over the last couple of years that all you're
doing is throwing good money at bad Because most of
these teams don't actually play their starters much in the
course of the preseason. All of a sudden, they don't
really have anything that's out there for you. Everything's gonna
(30:26):
look rusty, it's gonna look disjointed the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like, guess what.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
This is terrible analysis for most of you, but I
think it's the most honest thing you'll ever hear about
the beginning of the NFL team season. Your team might
win a couple of games in the beginning of the
year or lose a couple of games in the beginning
of the year that they shouldn't because they just weren't
ready to start the season. Like everything is so chaotic
at the beginning of the year that to me, I
don't think you really have a set s. They always
(30:51):
say in baseball, you don't really know who your team
is gonna be until you hit the beginning of June.
I think in modern NFL games, even though there's only
seventeen of them over eighteen weeks. I think it takes
the first four weeks of the season to figure out
where you are, so I genuinely truly put no weight.
Now you're in practice every day, so I do think
there is waight to hey, in practice, I saw this,
(31:12):
you know.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I'll go back to my fanom of the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
There is an offensive line battle going on right now
between Meredith and JPJ that nobody expected was gonna happen,
and so all of a sudden that does become interesting.
How it looks in a preseason game is going to
be over evaluated. But for most of us that are
just watching the preseason game, I don't think again to
go back to what we talked about with Shaduur versus
Dylan Gabriel, I don't think we have enough context, like
(31:34):
you have context on the Titans and on the Falcons,
because you're seeing the both in practice this week, and
what you see on tomorrow's preseason game or Saturday tomorrow's
preseason game, that's going to be a translation of what
you saw in joint practices. That is valuable and that's why, honestly,
people that care about the Titans should listen to you
when you talk about it, because you can offer your
(31:55):
insights on that. I think there's tremendous power that. I
don't think that there's tremendous any in watching the number
of times I have seen a wide receiver none of
us has ever heard of that's listed at five to ten,
that's really five to seven. Have the led the preseason
in yardage and catches and then he gets inevitably cut
in the last cut, and the fan base loses their
damn minds apoplectic. How could you cut that guy? And
(32:18):
it's like, I don't even remember who that guy is
three years but that's how the preseason is.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I've got one here. Xavier Restreppo, he's cam Ward's buddy,
rights he led. He broke the program franchise receptions record
in a game that I in fact watched rewatched last
night because it just happened to be on ESPN. You
Louisville at Miami. Xavier Restreppo broke Michael Irvin's receptions record
(32:43):
at Miami, which is crazy. Guy is practiced quite the best.
But fan bases will attach themselves to these things because
it's more fun and easier, and it does nothing wrong
with it. In attaching yourself to those storylines and creating
whatever narratives you want to create, whatever you think should
be done with your respective football team, in this case,
(33:05):
specific to football in the preseason versus what actually is
going on with the talent evaluators and the coaches who
see them every day and in the meeting rooms, which
is additional context that we don't have that matters a
great deal in terms of can they learn the playbook?
Are they retaining all these things? Are they retaining these things,
but can they actually implement them in practice or game
type situations. All this kind of stuff that is far
(33:28):
less interesting to talk about than should the Brown start
Shador Sanders week one?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know?
Speaker 6 (33:32):
And that's there's a place for that too.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
I don't want to be dismissive of that fan that
approach by certain segments of fan bases, because that is
also fair dialogue, Like you should be able to have
a half baked opinion and argue about it with your
buddies if that's what you want to do for fun.
I'm not here to deprive you of that. I'm just
here to offer you more context if you would like it.
(33:58):
If you would like more context, I here to help you.
If you are not interested in more context, that's fine.
I'll probably yell at you on the radio about it.
But you know, ebbs and flows with all these things.
The other part of this is before you make whatever
points you're going to make, and I'm sure it's an
important one. I think there should be a preseason MVP.
I think that we should we should give these guys
their moment in the sun. I think that that would
(34:19):
make the dialogue even dumber. I think that people would
assign great value to the preseason MVP. Look at me,
he's disgusted. You could if we were on the Doug
Gottlieb YouTube channel today, which you can subscribe to wherever
you are consuming Doug Gottlieb shows. But I want a
preseason MVP at least just to keep fans interested for
for a longer period of time other than checking out
(34:40):
halfway through the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Look, that is the worst idea you've ever had, Almost
as bad as the inn seed whatever, the n season
tournament that the Lakers won once and then they actually
discussed whether or not they were going to put that
trophy up, Like, I mean, it wasn't my idea. I mean, no, no, no,
but I mean that that's that's a lettle of stupid
you're proposing. Okay, all that to say, I'm so floored
by the stupidity of that.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I will just say this a
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