August 14, 2025 • 38 mins
Jason Fitz and Buck Reising, in for Doug Gottlieb, break down why they are completely over the Shedeur Sanders discourse. The guys react to the latest in the heated showdown between Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons. Plus, the latest NFL court case could get real ugly.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh, you know, things got weird sitting in for Doug Gottlieb.
It's fucking fits. He's buck rising up, Jason Fitz. They're
letting the kids come in and play with the adults
at the big grown up table. I don't know how
we feel about this, Buck. It's gonna be a little interesting.
We're gonna be with Fox Sports Radio today. We're gonna
be with Fox Sports Radio in the morning. Are we
(00:39):
kicked out of the holiday gathering by the end of
the week. Only time will tell. But what I know.
What I know is that we will not give the
grace of time. We will not give the grace of patience.
We will not give the grace of just stepping back
and letting things be when it comes to the Cleveland
Browns quarterback situation, and to me, my friend, it is
the biggest, wildest and grossest storyline in preseason football. Here's
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the real headline. Fifth round quarterback pick performs well and
is still fourth on the depth chart. That's it. That's
the end of it. But no, it can't be the
end of it because it's Shadore Sanders, and that means
the takes are flying everywhere, Buck Rising, Jason Fits hanging
out with you for Doug Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
I'm just tired of it. I'm exhausted. I don't care.
(01:25):
You know what. Here's the thing. Maybe I'm worked up
because I'm already hours into my day. Maybe when worked
up because you're sitting in Atlanta just enjoying wings from
a particular establishment. I don't know, but I'm worked up today.
And I'm worked up because Shador Sanders goes out and
plays well in the preseason game, which is great, that's awesome.
I'm rooting for that. It's wonderful. Can't it just be that?
Why does it have to suddenly mean anything else? Because
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I see all of these social media reports telling me,
oh my god, the Browns don't have a healthy quarterback
and what are they doing in Shador might not be
able to play this weekend, and I keep looking around saying, guys,
the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns is Joe Flacco,
and he's fine, He's gonna play week one. All of
this is over somebody that's not even gonna play at
the beginning of the season. Why do we care so much?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, for the same reason, FITZI that I care to
get my wings from a strip club in Atlanta as
opposed to from any other establishment in the world, because
sometimes you just gotta have a little extra pizazz on things.
And Shadoor brings the club. I mean you said a
particular establishment. I don't know what you're scared of. It's
it's Atlanta, baby, People go there for a happy hour
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on a Monday. Magic City, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But well you're just presumed. Look, Cheatahs is better than
Magic City, by the way. I mean, I don't know
if we're talking about the Wings anymore. I go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, I'm just saying like, sometimes the presentation is as
much as as much a part of the story as
is the actual product itself. And Shadoor, whatever he is
at this particular point in time, which is very much
fourth on the depth chart of the Cleveland Browns that
seemed to have seventeen different quarterbacks flying around the place
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at any given point. He presented pretty well. And if
America's only exposure beyond training camp tweets and reports and
things like that is Shador Sanders preseason debut, then how
could you possibly blame people for trying to detach themselves
for what their eyes are directly seeing, which is a
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kid that went out there and tore it up and
had way more of a live arm than anybody expected
to Shador Sanders to have and understanding against preseason, and
they're not scheming things up, and that if you don't
look good during preseason, that's a bigger story as we
could talk about with some of these players, although all
four of the quarterbacks that are largely in the discussion
that are most discussed at this point in time seem
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like they had a pretty nice first outing. I'll cover
cam Ward, the number one overall draft pick, tomorrow here
in Atlanta against the Falcons, and we'll see how much
more legs that has. But listen, I cover cam Ward.
He's spectacularly boring in everything that he does. And that's great,
that's wonderful. That's exactly what a dysfunctional organization like the
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Tennessee Titans needs, just somebody to settle him down a
little bit. A twenty three year old that carries himself
like he's thirty three. Shador Sanders is quite the opposite,
and not even from a personality standpoint, because frankly, I
think he's handled a lot of this pretty damn well
fits but all the things that are surrounding Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He grew up on reality TV.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What does America love if not a reality TV with
a with a spinoff that we can continue to follow
in a nationally televised event.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And football Reality TV.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Football Shadoor Sanders at the intersection, How could you possibly
be confused as to why people are interested?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Okay, a couple of things. Number One, I feel like
I'm not even allowed to say God forbid, like this
is a very true story. I had a take on
Inside Coverage one of my Yahoo shows, How to Take
last week, and I said, I think it was lose
lose for the Rounds to play Shador early, And the
entirety of my take was it's lose lose because if
he gets on the field and he's terrible, there'll be
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no grace. And then the other side of it is
if he gets on the field and he's absolutely lights out,
Now the Browns are gonna have to spend every day
answering questions about their depth chart, why they made the
decisions they made all of these, why he fell to
the fifth. That was the entirety of my take. Yahoo
clipped a portion of that and put it up, but
I was cut off and cut off after the if
he stinks, there'll be no grace portion of my take,
for which I have thousands at this point of comments
(05:30):
that tell me that I'm racist, that I don't know anything,
that I'm an idiot, that I don't know how to
talk about football, all of these different things, all because
I said, if he doesn't play well, there'll be no grace. Like,
you can't even have a lukewarm opinion about Shador at
this point without people just deciding that means you are
either biased by your hatred of Shador or biased by
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your love of shudor so that's already frustrating to me.
But then the bigger part of this is you see
a team every day in practice. You see a bad
football team, but you see every a team every day
in practice. We know what practice means, We know what
meetings mean to the organization. Look what we have seen
since the draft. At the draft, the Cleveland Browns told
you that they believe Dylan Gabriel was two rounds better,
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not two picks, not ten picks, two rounds better than
Shador Sanders for their franchise. For whatever reason, they took
Dylan Gabriel in the third round. Since then, the reporters
I've talked to that had been to Brown's practice, it
made it clear that Dylan Gabriel was breaking down the
offense faster, was processing things faster, and in general seemed
to be ahead of him in all things practice related
to this. So, while you're right we've had three quarters
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of Chadur on the field, we haven't had a single
second at Dylan Gabriel on the field. We don't know.
And the other part of it is, last time I
tech checked, Kevin Stefanski is a two time Coach of
the Year. So unless you believe that a two time
Coach of the Year is so egomaniacal and so full
of pride and so flat out stupid and bad at
his job that he will just continue to live some
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wild lie so that Shadors Sanders is held down. The
reality of it is they believed Shadour was a lesser
quarterback even when they drafted him than Dylan Gabriel. They
have since then had months of practice and meetings where
the greater of the two quarterbacks that they drafted has
Outside Shadoor, all we have is three quarters of one
preseason game. That's all the information we get. So I
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don't understand why everyone thinks that suddenly a depth chart
is going to change the mind of an entire organization
that sees him in every meeting, that processes everything that happens,
in every piece of film, that records every practice, that
looks back at every sing like we have a tenth
of the evidence, Like every conspiracy theorist that's a dumb
ass that's out there telling us something. We have a
tenth of the evidence without any of the full context,
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and then we make sweeping decisions on what it should
mean for the future of Shadhor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Uh, I'm sorry, you mean the same two time Coach
of the Year that was actively living the lie that
is Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback. No other questions
asked You mean the organization that is propped up that guy,
even understanding that they are smarter football minds than you
or I or anybody you know largely out here criticizing
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or taking things in second hand without as much information.
You mean that coach of the year who basically, you know,
I understand he got a knife in his back, probably
why he's sitting up there answering pres conference questions. But
he's saying, knowing, damn well that Deshaun Watson is not
a starting quarterback anymore. Deshawn's are starting quarterback. Deshawn's are
starting quarterback over and over and over again. Trying to
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talk himself into it. It seems it's as much as
he's trying to convince the rest of the world. You
mean that particular organization, I mean, FITZI, in eight out
of ten situations, you might be you might be onto
something there. This is the Cleveland Brown's baby. They don't
do things the way that anybody else would do them.
They do things the Browns way, and that's poorly, and
that's dysfunctionally. Then that's making a mess of everything. Hell,
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they couldn't even get through the draft without making a mess.
They had to take a quarterback in the third round,
take a quarterback in the fifth round, bring in Kenny Pickett,
sign Joe Flacco? What else do they do?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Who did in Snoop Untley run around Cleveland right now?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If we were to apply reasonable logic and fact based
information and apply it to football sensibilities, then yes, I
think you would be onto something here. But that doesn't
apply to the Cleveland Browns organization.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I do need to point out he's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason Fitz him for Doug Gottleib on Fox Sports Radio.
Look at the schedule at the beginning like this, I'm
screaming this to Schador fans that want to see him
play week one. The Browns have not like you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Just want to scream at Shador fans. It doesn't sound
like you got an issue with s your door, sound
like you got an issue?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Now, I got no issue. Look, I want Shador and
Dylan Gabriel Poult to win starting jobs and make a
ton of money, like I want every quarterback to succeed.
There aren't very many good quarterbacks in the NFL. I
want them all to make it. But listen, this the beginning,
I'm gonna give you the beginning of the Browns schedule
the Bengals. Okay, fine, then they got the Ravens, the Packers,
the Lions, the Vikings, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Patriots, Jets,
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the Ravens again. Like, that is not an easy beginning
of any of this. Like, even if you're sitting here
and you're a Chaudour apologist and you're saying, somehow, some
way he's gonna win this job, don't you want to
put him in the best situation. My thing is the
best situation, the best ability for Chadur is gonna come
from developing the way the coaches want him to develop
every single day. And that's that's not a sexy answer.
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But I say this to you all the time. This
ozembic society that we live in just drives me crazy.
Everybody wants an injection that'll make them skinny. Like, hell,
if I could, if I could go to a doctor
today that would give me apps, I would do it.
I understand. It's a hell of a lot easier than
going to the gym. Every fan of a bad franchise
wants their Jade and Daniels. They want ozepic. That's gonna
suddenly fix everything. Most players are not CJ. Stroud or
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Jaden Daniels. So like, I know you want o Zepic,
but people in hell wan Icewater. Sometimes you just gotta
do the work the long, painful way, which is a process.
And I don't think long term that the Browns have
a bad situation going here. They have all year to
figure out if Dylan Gabriel Shadur is the answer from
what they see every single day, and if he's not,
they can draft a different quarterback next year because they're
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not going to be very good. I just don't see
why there's a rush to put Schadeur on the on
the field when frankly, that just undermines the entire process
and there is no logic behind why it should happen.
Like again, this is the same team that drafted Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. We don't have the benefit
of knowing what Dylan Gabriel looked like in the first
preseason game. We haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So you're talking about specifically from the fans who are
in a rush to see him get out on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I don't think the organization, fans in media, I
don't think the organization is any.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I believe this media stuff and I and I have
a tremendous amount of respect for Lewis Riddick, but like
this whole set of setting him up to fail, uh
narrative that's being propositioned. As far as the Chador Sanders
stuff goes, I is craziness to me. And I'm as
skeptical of the Browns as anybody understandably so they're bad
at this, they deserve skepticism. I think the thing that
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will be the most telling is what we have to wait,
you know, the better part of a month to find out,
a little less than a month by the time Week one
rolls around when the Browns open things up with the Bengals.
As you mentioned, if Joe Flacco was the starting quarterback,
then the Browns are making the right decision, even if
at some point there is absolutely value in finding out
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what you have in either Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel.
At some point in the season, Joe Flacco is gonna
give you the best opportunity to win Week one, no
matter which of those three specifically you're talking about, respectfully
to snowpunting, if they roll either of the rookies out
there and should or you know, will be greeted with
more fanfare and more pressure and more coverage and all
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these other things. And I'm sure the raiding on that
Browns Carolina preseason game was ungodly.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I didn't I have two people, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Shame on all of you. Really, go do something with
your day like that's a shame on all of you, really.
And I'm an NFL reporter, Okay, I know as long
as there's football, there's money. But god, guys, it's a
preseason anyway. If they roll either one of those rookies
out there in Week one against the Bengal, then you
know it's the same old Browns because there is logic
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and reason in giving the veteran, putting the veteran out
there who's going to give you the best chance to succeed,
and allowing for that process to take place behind him
on the depth chart. Even if you plan at some
point to pull Joe Flacco out of the lineup and
see what you got in the other two. If they
roll with either of those two rookies, they will have
succumbed to some level of pressure, whether it's external from
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the media or the fan base, whether it is internal
from the ownership, who's publicly distancing himself from Shador Jimmy Haslm,
And I've never heard Jimmy Haslm talk this much in
an offseason. All of a sudden, Jimmy Haslm turned into
Jerry Jones. He can't get away from a microphone. But
if there is some level of pressure that they are
succumbing to, we will know it very quickly, and then
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it'll be I mean, I'm I would be And I've
said this before to you, and I've said this before
when we've done the Fox stuff together. I would at
that point hope for Kevin Stefanski to be fired. Not
because I think he's a bad coach or a bad
person or anything like that. I just want him out
of the Browns organization because he is a two time
Coach of the Year and he deserves better. This is nonsense,
absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All right, from one nonsensical story to another. Schitur. I
don't know why we care. He's not gonna start Week one.
The real question is will Micah Parsons will break down
the latest greatest drama from Jerry Jones. That's right, it's today,
which means we got more Mica drama. We'll tell you
about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're
in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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Speaker 2 (14:40):
Bob, be honest, I think fireworks kind of overrated. I'll
be honest. Like it's really the sweaty crowds, Like there's
just a lot of bud sweat throughout the course of this,
like especially down in the South where everybody's it's just
hot and humid and like in fact and just yeah,
there's a lot of that. Are you are you a pro?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Tell fireworks kind? I hate fireworks. I think they're a
giant pain in the ass. I think that there is
not a more overrated way of celebrating in this world
than the shooting off of fireworks. Bro it takes me
two hours to get in a situation for me to
properly see the fireworks, and it is such a pain
in the ass for like seven minutes of actual payoff.
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You're used to working pretty hard for a seven minute payoff.
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging out down
at Fox Sports Radio. Buck is down in Atlanta. I
am sitting in Connecticut right now, and one thing I
know is that neither of us are in the I
don't know Sea of Drama, the absolute wasteland known as
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Dallas right now, where every day everything is more complicated
with the cowboys and the most complicated recent edition years.
I love that a reporter actually tried to hold Jerry
Jones accountable, asking Jerry if they've spoken and the answer
was no, and it was like, well why not? And
Jerry didn't have a good answer for it, and Buck,
I just I keep thinking this is ugly and this
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is like, this is to me. If you've ever had
friends that have gone through a brutal breakup, you know
one thing you know during that breakup is that you're
gonna go to dinner with one of those friends and
they're gonna spend the whole time being like, well, he
was the worst at this and I hated that, and
you're gonna be a good friend. You're gonna sit there
and be like, you know what, I know, he is
the worst at all of these things. And then, like
I don't know, three months later, they get back together
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and all of a sudden, you see him at dinner
and he's looking at you the whole time, knowing what
you said about him. You know. It's this weird thing
you learn as you get older that when your friends
sit you down to talk to talk about their breakup,
you just never take a side anymore, right, Like, we
don't have that grace here You've got a really public
dispute from Jerry's end because he's always in front of
a microphone. My guy's never seen a microphone. He doesn't
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want to sit down in front of him talk. So
now I feel like we're just constantly mommy and Daddy
are fighting and we're getting the story. And what's really
gonna be weird is week one, when I believe Michael
will be on the field, he'll be very rich, and
he'll still be playing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The only thing that was ugly or is that face
you made while you were trying to suppress a burp
whilst whilst simultaneously telling people that Doug got leaves YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You know what, I was pretty proud of that I
managed to hold it back. I didn't, you know, I
felt like that was professional. Okay, not here.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I could hear the burp struggling, trying to fight its
way out.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Of your body.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And you know it's if I wasn't looking directly at
which we're not on YouTube today? Are we got helpless?
If we are?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
No, no, no, no, no, we're not on YouTube today.
Nobody's going to see you eat your strip club wings,
which I found out during the break that Buck Rising
actually Huber Eats edd Wober whatever you used Uber Eat
to get Strip Club Wings delivered to your hotel room
in Atlanta. I don't know how I feel about that,
Like that doesn't feel like that's normal usually efficiency, there
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was no like, I don't know Buffalo Wild Wings or
Wings Stop or any other wing place that was closer.
You're really telling me that, minus all of the other
accouterments that come with Strip Club Wings, that you still
chose Strip Club Wings.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yes, by a mile, the Yigic City, Lemon pepper, honey,
gold combination side of fries, and a lovely coke that
I've got in front of me. And at the risk
of offending any Wing Wing Stop or Buffalo Wild Wings
sponsors that Fox Sports Radio may have, I'm sure those
are lovely establishments with lovely fair but the Strip Club
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Wings in Atlanta are superior to any other Wings that
you will find anywhere else in the country, including Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So I largely agree with your point.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Though about Michael Parsons, I think he is going to
be a Dallas cowboy, and I think he's going to
be very very well paid, and they're just going to
stuff his face full of money like stuff, my face
full of strip club wings before the show began today.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And everybody will be happy as a result.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But uh, I think here is there are a couple
of things that have to be kept at the front
of your mind. Did you see Jerry Jones's interview on
the red carpet of this Netflix special that they're running
on the Cowboys? Have you seen this audio, this video
floating around where? And I don't want to put words
(19:27):
in Jerry's mouth, so god knows, I really couldn't if
I tried. He says more more inflammatory things than either
of us could even imagine that he would say. But
he basically, I mean he didn't. Basically he did. He
copped to the idea of, yeah, if things get slow
conversationally around our football team, it is better for people
to talk about our football team. So I will stir
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things up so that people are talking about our football team.
And Jerry's maybe never been quite that blatant with it,
and we've always just kind of assumed that that's what
Jerry Jones does because of the behavior and the pattern
of behavior that he's stuck to is entire career. But
it's it's the first time that you've really had Jerry
on record with the quiet part out loud. And so
this Michael Parson's contract dispute situation is the latest example
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of that. But the thing here is FITSI in a
generation of social media athletes and athletes who are you know,
their screen time is somewhere between eight to ten hours
a day where they are reading everything about them, whether
it's actual, whether it's factual, or whether it's just stuff
(20:30):
on the internet. Like OBJ, you see what happened. Odell
Beckham Junior got got by the fake shifter and he's
you know, he's freaking out on Twitter because he didn't
bother to verify whether that was the verified Adam Schefter
reporting his retirement or not. And there was a whole
thing on Obj's timeline about this thing that wasn't real.
It's very easy for this generation of athletes to get
spun out and for a lot of that to be irreparable. Now,
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money is the answer to most of your problems, if
not all of your problems, or at least the answer
to all of your questions maybe not your problems. Doesn't
solve every thing, but it can solve a great deal
a great many things. Maybe there is enough money in
the world in the Dallas Cowboys pocketbook, if we're still
doing pocketbooks in the year twenty twenty five, to just
shut Micah up with the sheer amount of money that
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they're going to pay him. But I can't help but
think that a more judicious organization would not put themselves
in a position where they just have to shovel over
money hand over fist just to keep an athlete happy,
rather than going through a contract negotiation that is not
just handshakes and glory holes and whatever else. Jerry Jones
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wants to confuse glory holes in the oil man sense,
of course, which is something, by the way, a term
that he likes to use a great deal, But I
felt I had to clarify given the level of strip
club discourse today, I think that there are just so
many avoidable pitfalls that Jerry just can't help but step
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in the middle of. If for no other reason, that
people are going to talk about the pitfalls that Jerry
Jones are stepping, and that drives further conversation and interest
in this football team, which is insane. It's an insane
way of doing things, but it seems to work for Jerry.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I mean, you're right. We all have that friend that
walks into a party and sees two people standing next
to each other that they know are on different sides
of a political issue or whatever, and they'll immediately make
an inflammatory statement just to watch the entire house burn
down as they leave. Like that. We all have that friend.
That friend just happened one hundred percent. That's why I
was looking at you. That friend just happens to be
like the you know, problematic Grandpa version of it, which
(22:29):
is Jerry Jones. It's it's interesting. I do think there's
one long term concern about the solution of money with
Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to
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Speaker 2 (22:53):
He's Buck rising on Jason Fitz. We're in for Doug
Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio and unless we get fired
in the next hour and a half, will be on
Pro two Pros and a cup of Joe in the morning. Also,
oh wow, that's it. Okay, so we were just talking
about Micah Parsons. Okay, there is one thing that I
think we need to understand about money, because you're right
that you can throw enough money at pretty much anything
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and it goes away for a minute, and the four
minute is key here. I don't care what you do
for a living. I have friends over the years that
have come to me very dissatisfied with their job, whether
it was in music or in sports, very dissatisfied with
their job. And inevitably they'll go into somebody and say,
you know what, I quit, and in that moment, the
boss will say, well, you know what, don't quit. We
don't want you to quit. We're gonna give you a raise,
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And before you know what, that same person is in
front of you saying, hey, it's not that bad. Like
they're giving me more money. Everything's fine, And for like
three months, it is. For six months it is. Everybody's
a little happier because they're making more money, but the
problems that are underlying all of it remain. And my
concern with all of this Mica stuff is that whatever
they end up working out and you and I both
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agree that he's going to be a cowboy long term. Well,
you think Micah's gonna forget how difficult this negotiation was.
Do we really think Micah's gonna forget some of the
things that have been said and some of the implications
made by Jerry through this process. I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think we end up with the Michaeh Parsons that
will take this value. But we'll also understand, Hey, if
we're gonna battle every time there's a contract, I'm gonna
continue this battle very loudly if the cowboys think if
if there's more money being paid out to other people
and Michael Micah wants back in the market in two years,
Like there is a difference between Hey, the entire way
it feels when you look at a player and you say, hey,
(24:31):
we're gonna take care of you early. We don't have to,
but we're gonna do this just because we love you
so much. That buys some level of loyalty and equity
with a player. When you do the opposite, and when
it gets so ugly in this process, I'm just left
to wonder, Like, as much as we will say the
money has cured the relationship between the Cowboys and Michael Parsons.
We won't really know the answer for that for several
(24:51):
years until we see the rest of the way, the
way the rest of money works throughout the league.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
No, but I mean the people who think that the
money is actually going to solve the problem as opposed
to just put a band aid over it. Right, are
are people who would would do anything in the world
for that kind of money. And that's most of us,
right Like you and I are making Michael Pars's money,
you and I would have a hard time.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You aren't.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
All right, Well, then then you need to stop turning
your nose up at my eighteen dollar coffee when I
uber eats that fair.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He knows me too well, and we all know that
too well.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You're even if you were making money, you'd still be
a cheap ass. Anyway. I think that there is there
is something to be said about what Jerry Jones is
trying to prop this thing up as, but it's not.
Actually Jerry Jones keeps talking about this as good faith negotiation. Hey,
you know, I bought the Dallas Cowboys for a handshake
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and a one hundred and sixty million dollars or whatever
it was at the time. I can't remember the comment
offhand of the price that he paid. I'm sure that's
I'm sure it was a bit more than that. But
he keeps trying to act as if he is treating
this as a good faith negotiation, when anybody in the
modern world of contract negotiation understands that he is doing
the exact opposite of it, that he is instigating it,
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that he is the one making this the most public
even though the player is on social media, with social
media with a three paide statement about how he wants out,
Jerry is forcing everybody's hand to make this as public
and as uncomfortable as humanly possible, and doing so at
a time in sports when there's nothing else to talk about.
I mean, we can break down Shadoor Sanders or Tyler
(26:31):
Shuck or Jackson Jackson darts training camp interceptions if you
want to, we could do that, or we could talk
about the more interesting thing, which is a borderline maniac owner,
certainly an egomaniac owner publicly fighting with I don't think
it's a stretch to say the best player on the
most famous team in the National Football League right now
(26:54):
not the best team in the National Football League right now,
but certainly the most famous, the most published, publicized, most covered,
the most watched. He is the one making this anything
but a good faith negotiation, and it would just be
so much easier for him to go about this and
send a message to the locker room. Now, there may
be something to the idea, FITZI that if you have
(27:15):
a if you have an authoritarian type of coach, right,
and there are many, and you're as a coach, comfortable
with not just governing that way for lack of a
better term, but also using yourself as a rallying point
for the players, whatever sport it might be, to rally
(27:38):
not just not for you, certainly, but in spite of you.
Coach thinks we can't do this. Coach thinks we're a
bunch of bumps. Coach thinks that the other team on
the other side is going to come out there and
smack us in the mouth. And he keeps challenging us
because he doesn't think we're good enough. Let's go show
him otherwise, right, there's some logic to that. I don't
know that that's the most effective tact that would be taken,
(28:01):
but there are people that do that maybe Jerry Jones's
logic is some somehow in his twisted mind at this
point in his life, is to say, well, okay, let
I'm fine being the bad guy. Let them, let them
do these things in spite of me. Let me, you know,
be comfortable taking all the slings and arrows here because
he's gonna get plenty of them. And let the players
you know who are changing their social media profiles to
(28:22):
a picture of my, picture of Micah Parsons and support
and Michah Parsons himself, let them go play well in
spite of me, even if it's not for me, even
though it would be much easier to do business in
the actual right way and have an organization that is
well run, that is functional, and that fosters an environment
that makes those players want to actually fight for the
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logos on their helmet as opposed to just how much
more money can I squeeze out of this old man?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
What if you know your your point is really made
me rethink so much about Jerry Jones in the last
sixty seconds, as you talk like, I've spent so much
of my life thinking of Jerry Jones as a desperate
billionaire desperate to win a championship, right, Like, there's a
level of Jerry Jones that I think is love of
the cowboys and the love of the NFL and his
desperation to want to win. Sometimes when you are blinded
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by that, you do stupid things. What if instead, man,
what if you're right? And at some level Jerry Jones
is just Madonna. Madonna so famously for the longest time,
was like any press is good press. Well, I would
argue that the current iteration of Madonna writhing around on
stage in a wedding dress like it's like a virgin
from the eighties isn't necessarily good press. What I'm seeing
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now is that out of Jerry Jones, it's the want
to be rich. Like as you talked, all I kept
thinking about was am I one hundred percent convinced without
knowing Jerry Jones personally? So I'm just from the outside
looking at the actions of Jerry Jones make me wonder
do we really know that if Jerry Jones had to
make a choice today, you can't talk, you can't sit
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in front of a microphone, you can't be a public figure.
It all. The Cowboys won't be the focal point of
every NFL conversation. But you'll win a super Bowl or
you don't win that super Bowl, and you are absolutely
the most present brand in American sports. I think honestly,
based on the actions of Jerry Jones, he's given reason
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for me to have paused to believe that he cares
more about that championship than he does about that attention.
And the minute you fall on that side of the line,
I don't know how you walk that back, and I
don't know how you win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, I think the answer is pretty clear. They're not
going to. And it's not for a lack of talent,
because it's crazy that they draft as well as they
do and they still can't get anywhere. He's I also
have never really taken that tack they Fitzy. For a while,
it felt like, I mean, I would argue, for like
the last fifteen years, they've really done a good job
(30:56):
fighting the stigma of they're just in it for the attention.
But in all, in just one offseason, it feels like
they've undone so much of that goodwill, so much of
that actual effort that they're coaching staff, they're players there,
they're scouting staff, their support staff, their organization under Jerry
Jones has really worked to convince the rest of us
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know the Dallas Cowboys are actually trying to win as
opposed to just get as many eyeballs as humanly possible,
and sometimes those things coincide. But even if he still
does want to win at the core of himself, does
he want to win for him, for him personally, for
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how vindicated he personally would be, or for the organization
and for the fan base. Who you know, if you're
talking about a company, like what are are inn essence shareholders? Like?
Is he trying to win for his people or is
he trying to win because he wants to say I won?
And there's plenty of people, plenty of examples in business
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or society of people who just want to win for
the them, not for anybody else, not for the good
that it might do other people, not for the joy
that it would bring so many other people that are impacted,
but just to say that I did it, I won.
And I don't know if Jerry wants to win if
he can't look around and say or tell everybody after
the fact.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I won. And at a macro level, you're talking about
the Cowboys in a Super Bowl in a micro level,
you're actually talking about this specific negotiation. It's the same
exact statement, and that that's the problem. All right. He's
Buck Rising on Jason Fitz coming up big news in
the NFL about a lawsuit that could impact the way
we view the entire league in the NFL might not
(32:37):
be able to outrun it. It is staggering. We'll tell
you about it next. Bucking Fits sitting in on Doug
Gottlieb Show. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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Speaker 2 (33:00):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's a buckham Fits
takeover of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio,
hanging out with did today appreciated big news in the
NFL and it comes in the form of a lawsuit.
Now before your eyes gloss over, I will tell you
that this stacks onto news from earlier this week about
(33:21):
a lawsuit that is substantial. Okay. The latest greatest news
on this lawsuit today is that the courts have ruled
and they have ruled allowing the lawsuit that was once
filed by Brian Flores against the NFL and three different
teams can go to trial. And the lawsuit there is
that Brian Flores and other black coaches that they're assuming
(33:44):
for discrimination. So a federal appeals court ruled thursday finding
insurmountable flaws. This is the important part, insurmountable flaws with
the league arbitration part process that will permit Commissioner Roger
Goodell to serve as an arbitrator. What does that mean? Okay,
or has filed a lawsuit and the NFL came back
and said, according to your contracts, that has to be
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done in arbitration. That's the exact same thing that they
said to John Gruden, who is also suing the NFL.
And what's interesting about that is that they've gone back
and forth. Well, the Nevada State Supreme Court earlier this
week ruled in favor of Gruden, saying he can have
his day in court. So now it is likely that
the NFL is going to try and get that all
the way to the Supreme Court to stop it and
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force it to go to arbitration. The reason the courts
have said it can't go to arbitration is because it's
a lawsuit against the actions of in part, Roger Goodell,
and Roger Goodell would be the person that gets to
arbitrate it. So it's stupid. But at the end of
the day, why do you care? Well, you care because
if you're a football fan, part of what you've been
able to do is say, pay no attention to the
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man behind the curtain for a very long team time.
You can imply that you know John Gruden. John Gruden
said the things that he said, by the way to
say loudly. He was caught on email saying the things
he said. They're disgusting and he deserves whatever he gets
for that. Gruden's point is he felt singled out and
he felt like he wanted to know why the league
leaked to that information. On Yahoo Sports Daily, the Yahoo
(35:06):
show that I host every day, Mike Florio from Pro
Football Talk talked about the fact that they want to
find out who ordered the code read on Gruden. What
we have to understand is if this stuff goes to court,
the things that the NFL has been able to hide forever,
they can't hide anymore. So all this conversation about collusion
or racism or homophobic slurs, all of the different things
(35:27):
you are talking about tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,
actually when you add it all up of emails around
the league that'll be out there. You're talking about owner
emails that are out there. Like if Jerry Jones has
a skeleton in his closet and it's anywhere near any
of this legal information he gets out there, we might
find out a lot about our favorite teams that we
don't want to know. We just choose not to believe.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 4 (36:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
This lawsuit situation is something that I think largely football
fans will fight you on and they will say, just
tell me where my team is gonna play, what time
my team is gonna play, who my team is gonna play.
I don't care about the rest of this administrative stuff,
because that, oftentimes is what we're met with, FITZI when
big stories around the business of football come out. It
(36:45):
just happened with the NFLPA stuff. You and I have
talked at great length in our appearances together on Fox
Sports Radio about this, as has I'm sure everybody else
with a platform here on Fox talked about this, and
largely we are met with indifference, rolling and okay, but
when does my football team play? How many interceptions were
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thrown in training camp today? All these different things. If
this starts to unravel a thread around ownerships groups specifically,
then that and I don't want to get ahead of
ourselves because we don't know exactly what's in here or
what's about to be found out in discovery. But Dan Snyder.
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The only reason that Dan Snyder got forced out of
the Washington Commanders is because a legal situation started to
unravel all the different things that Dan Snyder had done
improperly that people have known and people have talked about
for years, but finally had hard evidence against him to
get him to sell a team. And yes, nothing happened
to him in a terrible way other than he had
to sell the team, and he was very much against that.
And he wants to see the rest of the NFL
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ownership fail because they forced him out, but he still
got his money. If this starts to lead to a
change in ownership, if these things get loud enough around ownership,
and that can actually impact all the different things about
your team that you've been able to ignore. So that's
the kind of skeleton in the closet type of stuff
that I think most of us would be interested in
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should it come to light.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, you're right, because we now are in this spot
where venture capitalist companies are going to be buying football
teams because the valuations have gotten so high that individuals can't.
If individuals are forced to sell because of some of
their actions, that's going to be a trickle down. But
most importantly, the NFL has managed to keep everything under
wraps for so long. If they can't in this situation,
it is interesting to see what it means and also
(38:33):
whether or not fans should care. Speaking of what fans
should care about, did they care at all about preseason?
We'll answer that question now. Pucking fits in for Doug
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh, you know, things got weird sitting in for Doug Gottlieb.
It's fucking fits. He's buck rising up, Jason Fitz. They're
letting the kids come in and play with the adults
at the big grown up table. I don't know how
we feel about this, Buck. It's gonna be a little interesting.
We're gonna be with Fox Sports Radio today. We're gonna
be with Fox Sports Radio in the morning. Are we
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kicked out of the holiday gathering by the end of
the week. Only time will tell. But what I know.
What I know is that we will not give the
grace of time. We will not give the grace of patience.
We will not give the grace of just stepping back
and letting things be when it comes to the Cleveland
Browns quarterback situation, and to me, my friend, it is
the biggest, wildest and grossest storyline in preseason football. Here's
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the real headline. Fifth round quarterback pick performs well and
is still fourth on the depth chart. That's it. That's
the end of it. But no, it can't be the
end of it because it's Shadore Sanders, and that means
the takes are flying everywhere, Buck Rising, Jason Fits hanging
out with you for Doug Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
I'm just tired of it. I'm exhausted. I don't care.
(01:25):
You know what. Here's the thing. Maybe I'm worked up
because I'm already hours into my day. Maybe when worked
up because you're sitting in Atlanta just enjoying wings from
a particular establishment. I don't know, but I'm worked up today.
And I'm worked up because Shador Sanders goes out and
plays well in the preseason game, which is great, that's awesome.
I'm rooting for that. It's wonderful. Can't it just be that?
Why does it have to suddenly mean anything else? Because
(01:47):
I see all of these social media reports telling me,
oh my god, the Browns don't have a healthy quarterback
and what are they doing in Shador might not be
able to play this weekend, and I keep looking around saying, guys,
the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns is Joe Flacco,
and he's fine, He's gonna play week one. All of
this is over somebody that's not even gonna play at
the beginning of the season. Why do we care so much?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, for the same reason, FITZI that I care to
get my wings from a strip club in Atlanta as
opposed to from any other establishment in the world, because
sometimes you just gotta have a little extra pizazz on things.
And Shadoor brings the club. I mean you said a
particular establishment. I don't know what you're scared of. It's
it's Atlanta, baby, People go there for a happy hour
(02:30):
on a Monday. Magic City, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But well you're just presumed. Look, Cheatahs is better than
Magic City, by the way. I mean, I don't know
if we're talking about the Wings anymore. I go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, I'm just saying like, sometimes the presentation is as
much as as much a part of the story as
is the actual product itself. And Shadoor, whatever he is
at this particular point in time, which is very much
fourth on the depth chart of the Cleveland Browns that
seemed to have seventeen different quarterbacks flying around the place
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at any given point. He presented pretty well. And if
America's only exposure beyond training camp tweets and reports and
things like that is Shador Sanders preseason debut, then how
could you possibly blame people for trying to detach themselves
for what their eyes are directly seeing, which is a
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kid that went out there and tore it up and
had way more of a live arm than anybody expected
to Shador Sanders to have and understanding against preseason, and
they're not scheming things up, and that if you don't
look good during preseason, that's a bigger story as we
could talk about with some of these players, although all
four of the quarterbacks that are largely in the discussion
that are most discussed at this point in time seem
(03:47):
like they had a pretty nice first outing. I'll cover
cam Ward, the number one overall draft pick, tomorrow here
in Atlanta against the Falcons, and we'll see how much
more legs that has. But listen, I cover cam Ward.
He's spectacularly boring in everything that he does. And that's great,
that's wonderful. That's exactly what a dysfunctional organization like the
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Tennessee Titans needs, just somebody to settle him down a
little bit. A twenty three year old that carries himself
like he's thirty three. Shador Sanders is quite the opposite,
and not even from a personality standpoint, because frankly, I
think he's handled a lot of this pretty damn well
fits but all the things that are surrounding Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He grew up on reality TV.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What does America love if not a reality TV with
a with a spinoff that we can continue to follow
in a nationally televised event.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
And football Reality TV.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Football Shadoor Sanders at the intersection, How could you possibly
be confused as to why people are interested?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Okay, a couple of things. Number One, I feel like
I'm not even allowed to say God forbid, like this
is a very true story. I had a take on
Inside Coverage one of my Yahoo shows, How to Take
last week, and I said, I think it was lose
lose for the Rounds to play Shador early, And the
entirety of my take was it's lose lose because if
he gets on the field and he's terrible, there'll be
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no grace. And then the other side of it is
if he gets on the field and he's absolutely lights out,
Now the Browns are gonna have to spend every day
answering questions about their depth chart, why they made the
decisions they made all of these, why he fell to
the fifth. That was the entirety of my take. Yahoo
clipped a portion of that and put it up, but
I was cut off and cut off after the if
he stinks, there'll be no grace portion of my take,
for which I have thousands at this point of comments
(05:30):
that tell me that I'm racist, that I don't know anything,
that I'm an idiot, that I don't know how to
talk about football, all of these different things, all because
I said, if he doesn't play well, there'll be no grace. Like,
you can't even have a lukewarm opinion about Shador at
this point without people just deciding that means you are
either biased by your hatred of Shador or biased by
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your love of shudor so that's already frustrating to me.
But then the bigger part of this is you see
a team every day in practice. You see a bad
football team, but you see every a team every day
in practice. We know what practice means, We know what
meetings mean to the organization. Look what we have seen
since the draft. At the draft, the Cleveland Browns told
you that they believe Dylan Gabriel was two rounds better,
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not two picks, not ten picks, two rounds better than
Shador Sanders for their franchise. For whatever reason, they took
Dylan Gabriel in the third round. Since then, the reporters
I've talked to that had been to Brown's practice, it
made it clear that Dylan Gabriel was breaking down the
offense faster, was processing things faster, and in general seemed
to be ahead of him in all things practice related
to this. So, while you're right we've had three quarters
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of Chadur on the field, we haven't had a single
second at Dylan Gabriel on the field. We don't know.
And the other part of it is, last time I
tech checked, Kevin Stefanski is a two time Coach of
the Year. So unless you believe that a two time
Coach of the Year is so egomaniacal and so full
of pride and so flat out stupid and bad at
his job that he will just continue to live some
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wild lie so that Shadors Sanders is held down. The
reality of it is they believed Shadour was a lesser
quarterback even when they drafted him than Dylan Gabriel. They
have since then had months of practice and meetings where
the greater of the two quarterbacks that they drafted has
Outside Shadoor, all we have is three quarters of one
preseason game. That's all the information we get. So I
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don't understand why everyone thinks that suddenly a depth chart
is going to change the mind of an entire organization
that sees him in every meeting, that processes everything that happens,
in every piece of film, that records every practice, that
looks back at every sing like we have a tenth
of the evidence, Like every conspiracy theorist that's a dumb
ass that's out there telling us something. We have a
tenth of the evidence without any of the full context,
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and then we make sweeping decisions on what it should
mean for the future of Shadhor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Uh, I'm sorry, you mean the same two time Coach
of the Year that was actively living the lie that
is Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback. No other questions
asked You mean the organization that is propped up that guy,
even understanding that they are smarter football minds than you
or I or anybody you know largely out here criticizing
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or taking things in second hand without as much information.
You mean that coach of the year who basically, you know,
I understand he got a knife in his back, probably
why he's sitting up there answering pres conference questions. But
he's saying, knowing, damn well that Deshaun Watson is not
a starting quarterback anymore. Deshawn's are starting quarterback. Deshawn's are
starting quarterback over and over and over again. Trying to
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talk himself into it. It seems it's as much as
he's trying to convince the rest of the world. You
mean that particular organization, I mean, FITZI, in eight out
of ten situations, you might be you might be onto
something there. This is the Cleveland Brown's baby. They don't
do things the way that anybody else would do them.
They do things the Browns way, and that's poorly, and
that's dysfunctionally. Then that's making a mess of everything. Hell,
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they couldn't even get through the draft without making a mess.
They had to take a quarterback in the third round,
take a quarterback in the fifth round, bring in Kenny Pickett,
sign Joe Flacco? What else do they do?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Who did in Snoop Untley run around Cleveland right now?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
So Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
If we were to apply reasonable logic and fact based
information and apply it to football sensibilities, then yes, I
think you would be onto something here. But that doesn't
apply to the Cleveland Browns organization.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I do need to point out he's Buck Rising. I'm
Jason Fitz him for Doug Gottleib on Fox Sports Radio.
Look at the schedule at the beginning like this, I'm
screaming this to Schador fans that want to see him
play week one. The Browns have not like you.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Just want to scream at Shador fans. It doesn't sound
like you got an issue with s your door, sound
like you got an issue?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Now, I got no issue. Look, I want Shador and
Dylan Gabriel Poult to win starting jobs and make a
ton of money, like I want every quarterback to succeed.
There aren't very many good quarterbacks in the NFL. I
want them all to make it. But listen, this the beginning,
I'm gonna give you the beginning of the Browns schedule
the Bengals. Okay, fine, then they got the Ravens, the Packers,
the Lions, the Vikings, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Patriots, Jets,
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the Ravens again. Like, that is not an easy beginning
of any of this. Like, even if you're sitting here
and you're a Chaudour apologist and you're saying, somehow, some
way he's gonna win this job, don't you want to
put him in the best situation. My thing is the
best situation, the best ability for Chadur is gonna come
from developing the way the coaches want him to develop
every single day. And that's that's not a sexy answer.
(10:20):
But I say this to you all the time. This
ozembic society that we live in just drives me crazy.
Everybody wants an injection that'll make them skinny. Like, hell,
if I could, if I could go to a doctor
today that would give me apps, I would do it.
I understand. It's a hell of a lot easier than
going to the gym. Every fan of a bad franchise
wants their Jade and Daniels. They want ozepic. That's gonna
suddenly fix everything. Most players are not CJ. Stroud or
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Jaden Daniels. So like, I know you want o Zepic,
but people in hell wan Icewater. Sometimes you just gotta
do the work the long, painful way, which is a process.
And I don't think long term that the Browns have
a bad situation going here. They have all year to
figure out if Dylan Gabriel Shadur is the answer from
what they see every single day, and if he's not,
they can draft a different quarterback next year because they're
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not going to be very good. I just don't see
why there's a rush to put Schadeur on the on
the field when frankly, that just undermines the entire process
and there is no logic behind why it should happen.
Like again, this is the same team that drafted Dylan
Gabriel in the third round. We don't have the benefit
of knowing what Dylan Gabriel looked like in the first
preseason game. We haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So you're talking about specifically from the fans who are
in a rush to see him get out on the field.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, I don't think the organization, fans in media, I
don't think the organization is any.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I believe this media stuff and I and I have
a tremendous amount of respect for Lewis Riddick, but like
this whole set of setting him up to fail, uh
narrative that's being propositioned. As far as the Chador Sanders
stuff goes, I is craziness to me. And I'm as
skeptical of the Browns as anybody understandably so they're bad
at this, they deserve skepticism. I think the thing that
(11:52):
will be the most telling is what we have to wait,
you know, the better part of a month to find out,
a little less than a month by the time Week one
rolls around when the Browns open things up with the Bengals.
As you mentioned, if Joe Flacco was the starting quarterback,
then the Browns are making the right decision, even if
at some point there is absolutely value in finding out
(12:13):
what you have in either Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel.
At some point in the season, Joe Flacco is gonna
give you the best opportunity to win Week one, no
matter which of those three specifically you're talking about, respectfully
to snowpunting, if they roll either of the rookies out
there and should or you know, will be greeted with
more fanfare and more pressure and more coverage and all
(12:35):
these other things. And I'm sure the raiding on that
Browns Carolina preseason game was ungodly.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I didn't I have two people, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Shame on all of you. Really, go do something with
your day like that's a shame on all of you, really.
And I'm an NFL reporter, Okay, I know as long
as there's football, there's money. But god, guys, it's a
preseason anyway. If they roll either one of those rookies
out there in Week one against the Bengal, then you
know it's the same old Browns because there is logic
(13:03):
and reason in giving the veteran, putting the veteran out
there who's going to give you the best chance to succeed,
and allowing for that process to take place behind him
on the depth chart. Even if you plan at some
point to pull Joe Flacco out of the lineup and
see what you got in the other two. If they
roll with either of those two rookies, they will have
succumbed to some level of pressure, whether it's external from
(13:24):
the media or the fan base, whether it is internal
from the ownership, who's publicly distancing himself from Shador Jimmy Haslm,
And I've never heard Jimmy Haslm talk this much in
an offseason. All of a sudden, Jimmy Haslm turned into
Jerry Jones. He can't get away from a microphone. But
if there is some level of pressure that they are
succumbing to, we will know it very quickly, and then
(13:45):
it'll be I mean, I'm I would be And I've
said this before to you, and I've said this before
when we've done the Fox stuff together. I would at
that point hope for Kevin Stefanski to be fired. Not
because I think he's a bad coach or a bad
person or anything like that. I just want him out
of the Browns organization because he is a two time
Coach of the Year and he deserves better. This is nonsense,
absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All right, from one nonsensical story to another. Schitur. I
don't know why we care. He's not gonna start Week one.
The real question is will Micah Parsons will break down
the latest greatest drama from Jerry Jones. That's right, it's today,
which means we got more Mica drama. We'll tell you
about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're
in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 2 (14:40):
Bob, be honest, I think fireworks kind of overrated. I'll
be honest. Like it's really the sweaty crowds, Like there's
just a lot of bud sweat throughout the course of this,
like especially down in the South where everybody's it's just
hot and humid and like in fact and just yeah,
there's a lot of that. Are you are you a pro?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Tell fireworks kind? I hate fireworks. I think they're a
giant pain in the ass. I think that there is
not a more overrated way of celebrating in this world
than the shooting off of fireworks. Bro it takes me
two hours to get in a situation for me to
properly see the fireworks, and it is such a pain
in the ass for like seven minutes of actual payoff.
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You're used to working pretty hard for a seven minute payoff.
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging out down
at Fox Sports Radio. Buck is down in Atlanta. I
am sitting in Connecticut right now, and one thing I
know is that neither of us are in the I
don't know Sea of Drama, the absolute wasteland known as
(16:07):
Dallas right now, where every day everything is more complicated
with the cowboys and the most complicated recent edition years.
I love that a reporter actually tried to hold Jerry
Jones accountable, asking Jerry if they've spoken and the answer
was no, and it was like, well why not? And
Jerry didn't have a good answer for it, and Buck,
I just I keep thinking this is ugly and this
(16:29):
is like, this is to me. If you've ever had
friends that have gone through a brutal breakup, you know
one thing you know during that breakup is that you're
gonna go to dinner with one of those friends and
they're gonna spend the whole time being like, well, he
was the worst at this and I hated that, and
you're gonna be a good friend. You're gonna sit there
and be like, you know what, I know, he is
the worst at all of these things. And then, like
I don't know, three months later, they get back together
(16:49):
and all of a sudden, you see him at dinner
and he's looking at you the whole time, knowing what
you said about him. You know. It's this weird thing
you learn as you get older that when your friends
sit you down to talk to talk about their breakup,
you just never take a side anymore, right, Like, we
don't have that grace here You've got a really public
dispute from Jerry's end because he's always in front of
a microphone. My guy's never seen a microphone. He doesn't
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want to sit down in front of him talk. So
now I feel like we're just constantly mommy and Daddy
are fighting and we're getting the story. And what's really
gonna be weird is week one, when I believe Michael
will be on the field, he'll be very rich, and
he'll still be playing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The only thing that was ugly or is that face
you made while you were trying to suppress a burp
whilst whilst simultaneously telling people that Doug got leaves YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You know what, I was pretty proud of that I
managed to hold it back. I didn't, you know, I
felt like that was professional. Okay, not here.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I could hear the burp struggling, trying to fight its
way out.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Of your body.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And you know it's if I wasn't looking directly at
which we're not on YouTube today? Are we got helpless?
If we are?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
No, no, no, no, no, we're not on YouTube today.
Nobody's going to see you eat your strip club wings,
which I found out during the break that Buck Rising
actually Huber Eats edd Wober whatever you used Uber Eat
to get Strip Club Wings delivered to your hotel room
in Atlanta. I don't know how I feel about that,
Like that doesn't feel like that's normal usually efficiency, there
(18:10):
was no like, I don't know Buffalo Wild Wings or
Wings Stop or any other wing place that was closer.
You're really telling me that, minus all of the other
accouterments that come with Strip Club Wings, that you still
chose Strip Club Wings.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yes, by a mile, the Yigic City, Lemon pepper, honey,
gold combination side of fries, and a lovely coke that
I've got in front of me. And at the risk
of offending any Wing Wing Stop or Buffalo Wild Wings
sponsors that Fox Sports Radio may have, I'm sure those
are lovely establishments with lovely fair but the Strip Club
(18:46):
Wings in Atlanta are superior to any other Wings that
you will find anywhere else in the country, including Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So I largely agree with your point.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Though about Michael Parsons, I think he is going to
be a Dallas cowboy, and I think he's going to
be very very well paid, and they're just going to
stuff his face full of money like stuff, my face
full of strip club wings before the show began today.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And everybody will be happy as a result.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But uh, I think here is there are a couple
of things that have to be kept at the front
of your mind. Did you see Jerry Jones's interview on
the red carpet of this Netflix special that they're running
on the Cowboys? Have you seen this audio, this video
floating around where? And I don't want to put words
(19:27):
in Jerry's mouth, so god knows, I really couldn't if
I tried. He says more more inflammatory things than either
of us could even imagine that he would say. But
he basically, I mean he didn't. Basically he did. He
copped to the idea of, yeah, if things get slow
conversationally around our football team, it is better for people
to talk about our football team. So I will stir
(19:47):
things up so that people are talking about our football team.
And Jerry's maybe never been quite that blatant with it,
and we've always just kind of assumed that that's what
Jerry Jones does because of the behavior and the pattern
of behavior that he's stuck to is entire career. But
it's it's the first time that you've really had Jerry
on record with the quiet part out loud. And so
this Michael Parson's contract dispute situation is the latest example
(20:10):
of that. But the thing here is FITSI in a
generation of social media athletes and athletes who are you know,
their screen time is somewhere between eight to ten hours
a day where they are reading everything about them, whether
it's actual, whether it's factual, or whether it's just stuff
(20:30):
on the internet. Like OBJ, you see what happened. Odell
Beckham Junior got got by the fake shifter and he's
you know, he's freaking out on Twitter because he didn't
bother to verify whether that was the verified Adam Schefter
reporting his retirement or not. And there was a whole
thing on Obj's timeline about this thing that wasn't real.
It's very easy for this generation of athletes to get
spun out and for a lot of that to be irreparable. Now,
(20:53):
money is the answer to most of your problems, if
not all of your problems, or at least the answer
to all of your questions maybe not your problems. Doesn't
solve every thing, but it can solve a great deal
a great many things. Maybe there is enough money in
the world in the Dallas Cowboys pocketbook, if we're still
doing pocketbooks in the year twenty twenty five, to just
shut Micah up with the sheer amount of money that
(21:13):
they're going to pay him. But I can't help but
think that a more judicious organization would not put themselves
in a position where they just have to shovel over
money hand over fist just to keep an athlete happy,
rather than going through a contract negotiation that is not
just handshakes and glory holes and whatever else. Jerry Jones
(21:34):
wants to confuse glory holes in the oil man sense,
of course, which is something, by the way, a term
that he likes to use a great deal, But I
felt I had to clarify given the level of strip
club discourse today, I think that there are just so
many avoidable pitfalls that Jerry just can't help but step
(21:55):
in the middle of. If for no other reason, that
people are going to talk about the pitfalls that Jerry
Jones are stepping, and that drives further conversation and interest
in this football team, which is insane. It's an insane
way of doing things, but it seems to work for Jerry.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I mean, you're right. We all have that friend that
walks into a party and sees two people standing next
to each other that they know are on different sides
of a political issue or whatever, and they'll immediately make
an inflammatory statement just to watch the entire house burn
down as they leave. Like that. We all have that friend.
That friend just happened one hundred percent. That's why I
was looking at you. That friend just happens to be
like the you know, problematic Grandpa version of it, which
(22:29):
is Jerry Jones. It's it's interesting. I do think there's
one long term concern about the solution of money with
Micah Parsons.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
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Speaker 2 (22:53):
He's Buck rising on Jason Fitz. We're in for Doug
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Pro two Pros and a cup of Joe in the morning. Also,
oh wow, that's it. Okay, so we were just talking
about Micah Parsons. Okay, there is one thing that I
think we need to understand about money, because you're right
that you can throw enough money at pretty much anything
(23:16):
and it goes away for a minute, and the four
minute is key here. I don't care what you do
for a living. I have friends over the years that
have come to me very dissatisfied with their job, whether
it was in music or in sports, very dissatisfied with
their job. And inevitably they'll go into somebody and say,
you know what, I quit, and in that moment, the
boss will say, well, you know what, don't quit. We
don't want you to quit. We're gonna give you a raise,
(23:37):
And before you know what, that same person is in
front of you saying, hey, it's not that bad. Like
they're giving me more money. Everything's fine, And for like
three months, it is. For six months it is. Everybody's
a little happier because they're making more money, but the
problems that are underlying all of it remain. And my
concern with all of this Mica stuff is that whatever
they end up working out and you and I both
(23:57):
agree that he's going to be a cowboy long term. Well,
you think Micah's gonna forget how difficult this negotiation was.
Do we really think Micah's gonna forget some of the
things that have been said and some of the implications
made by Jerry through this process. I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think we end up with the Michaeh Parsons that
will take this value. But we'll also understand, Hey, if
we're gonna battle every time there's a contract, I'm gonna
continue this battle very loudly if the cowboys think if
if there's more money being paid out to other people
and Michael Micah wants back in the market in two years,
Like there is a difference between Hey, the entire way
it feels when you look at a player and you say, hey,
(24:31):
we're gonna take care of you early. We don't have to,
but we're gonna do this just because we love you
so much. That buys some level of loyalty and equity
with a player. When you do the opposite, and when
it gets so ugly in this process, I'm just left
to wonder, Like, as much as we will say the
money has cured the relationship between the Cowboys and Michael Parsons.
We won't really know the answer for that for several
(24:51):
years until we see the rest of the way, the
way the rest of money works throughout the league.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
No, but I mean the people who think that the
money is actually going to solve the problem as opposed
to just put a band aid over it. Right, are
are people who would would do anything in the world
for that kind of money. And that's most of us,
right Like you and I are making Michael Pars's money,
you and I would have a hard time.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You aren't.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
All right, Well, then then you need to stop turning
your nose up at my eighteen dollar coffee when I
uber eats that fair.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He knows me too well, and we all know that
too well.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You're even if you were making money, you'd still be
a cheap ass. Anyway. I think that there is there
is something to be said about what Jerry Jones is
trying to prop this thing up as, but it's not.
Actually Jerry Jones keeps talking about this as good faith negotiation. Hey,
you know, I bought the Dallas Cowboys for a handshake
(25:45):
and a one hundred and sixty million dollars or whatever
it was at the time. I can't remember the comment
offhand of the price that he paid. I'm sure that's
I'm sure it was a bit more than that. But
he keeps trying to act as if he is treating
this as a good faith negotiation, when anybody in the
modern world of contract negotiation understands that he is doing
the exact opposite of it, that he is instigating it,
(26:07):
that he is the one making this the most public
even though the player is on social media, with social
media with a three paide statement about how he wants out,
Jerry is forcing everybody's hand to make this as public
and as uncomfortable as humanly possible, and doing so at
a time in sports when there's nothing else to talk about.
I mean, we can break down Shadoor Sanders or Tyler
(26:31):
Shuck or Jackson Jackson darts training camp interceptions if you
want to, we could do that, or we could talk
about the more interesting thing, which is a borderline maniac owner,
certainly an egomaniac owner publicly fighting with I don't think
it's a stretch to say the best player on the
most famous team in the National Football League right now
(26:54):
not the best team in the National Football League right now,
but certainly the most famous, the most published, publicized, most covered,
the most watched. He is the one making this anything
but a good faith negotiation, and it would just be
so much easier for him to go about this and
send a message to the locker room. Now, there may
be something to the idea, FITZI that if you have
(27:15):
a if you have an authoritarian type of coach, right,
and there are many, and you're as a coach, comfortable
with not just governing that way for lack of a
better term, but also using yourself as a rallying point
for the players, whatever sport it might be, to rally
(27:38):
not just not for you, certainly, but in spite of you.
Coach thinks we can't do this. Coach thinks we're a
bunch of bumps. Coach thinks that the other team on
the other side is going to come out there and
smack us in the mouth. And he keeps challenging us
because he doesn't think we're good enough. Let's go show
him otherwise, right, there's some logic to that. I don't
know that that's the most effective tact that would be taken,
(28:01):
but there are people that do that maybe Jerry Jones's
logic is some somehow in his twisted mind at this
point in his life, is to say, well, okay, let
I'm fine being the bad guy. Let them, let them
do these things in spite of me. Let me, you know,
be comfortable taking all the slings and arrows here because
he's gonna get plenty of them. And let the players
you know who are changing their social media profiles to
(28:22):
a picture of my, picture of Micah Parsons and support
and Michah Parsons himself, let them go play well in
spite of me, even if it's not for me, even
though it would be much easier to do business in
the actual right way and have an organization that is
well run, that is functional, and that fosters an environment
that makes those players want to actually fight for the
(28:43):
logos on their helmet as opposed to just how much
more money can I squeeze out of this old man?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
What if you know your your point is really made
me rethink so much about Jerry Jones in the last
sixty seconds, as you talk like, I've spent so much
of my life thinking of Jerry Jones as a desperate
billionaire desperate to win a championship, right, Like, there's a
level of Jerry Jones that I think is love of
the cowboys and the love of the NFL and his
desperation to want to win. Sometimes when you are blinded
(29:13):
by that, you do stupid things. What if instead, man,
what if you're right? And at some level Jerry Jones
is just Madonna. Madonna so famously for the longest time,
was like any press is good press. Well, I would
argue that the current iteration of Madonna writhing around on
stage in a wedding dress like it's like a virgin
from the eighties isn't necessarily good press. What I'm seeing
(29:36):
now is that out of Jerry Jones, it's the want
to be rich. Like as you talked, all I kept
thinking about was am I one hundred percent convinced without
knowing Jerry Jones personally? So I'm just from the outside
looking at the actions of Jerry Jones make me wonder
do we really know that if Jerry Jones had to
make a choice today, you can't talk, you can't sit
(29:57):
in front of a microphone, you can't be a public figure.
It all. The Cowboys won't be the focal point of
every NFL conversation. But you'll win a super Bowl or
you don't win that super Bowl, and you are absolutely
the most present brand in American sports. I think honestly,
based on the actions of Jerry Jones, he's given reason
(30:20):
for me to have paused to believe that he cares
more about that championship than he does about that attention.
And the minute you fall on that side of the line,
I don't know how you walk that back, and I
don't know how you win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, I think the answer is pretty clear. They're not
going to. And it's not for a lack of talent,
because it's crazy that they draft as well as they
do and they still can't get anywhere. He's I also
have never really taken that tack they Fitzy. For a while,
it felt like, I mean, I would argue, for like
the last fifteen years, they've really done a good job
(30:56):
fighting the stigma of they're just in it for the attention.
But in all, in just one offseason, it feels like
they've undone so much of that goodwill, so much of
that actual effort that they're coaching staff, they're players there,
they're scouting staff, their support staff, their organization under Jerry
Jones has really worked to convince the rest of us
(31:16):
know the Dallas Cowboys are actually trying to win as
opposed to just get as many eyeballs as humanly possible,
and sometimes those things coincide. But even if he still
does want to win at the core of himself, does
he want to win for him, for him personally, for
(31:37):
how vindicated he personally would be, or for the organization
and for the fan base. Who you know, if you're
talking about a company, like what are are inn essence shareholders? Like?
Is he trying to win for his people or is
he trying to win because he wants to say I won?
And there's plenty of people, plenty of examples in business
(31:57):
or society of people who just want to win for
the them, not for anybody else, not for the good
that it might do other people, not for the joy
that it would bring so many other people that are impacted,
but just to say that I did it, I won.
And I don't know if Jerry wants to win if
he can't look around and say or tell everybody after
the fact.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I won. And at a macro level, you're talking about
the Cowboys in a Super Bowl in a micro level,
you're actually talking about this specific negotiation. It's the same
exact statement, and that that's the problem. All right. He's
Buck Rising on Jason Fitz coming up big news in
the NFL about a lawsuit that could impact the way
we view the entire league in the NFL might not
(32:37):
be able to outrun it. It is staggering. We'll tell
you about it next. Bucking Fits sitting in on Doug
Gottlieb Show. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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Speaker 2 (33:00):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's a buckham Fits
takeover of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio,
hanging out with did today appreciated big news in the
NFL and it comes in the form of a lawsuit.
Now before your eyes gloss over, I will tell you
that this stacks onto news from earlier this week about
(33:21):
a lawsuit that is substantial. Okay. The latest greatest news
on this lawsuit today is that the courts have ruled
and they have ruled allowing the lawsuit that was once
filed by Brian Flores against the NFL and three different
teams can go to trial. And the lawsuit there is
that Brian Flores and other black coaches that they're assuming
(33:44):
for discrimination. So a federal appeals court ruled thursday finding
insurmountable flaws. This is the important part, insurmountable flaws with
the league arbitration part process that will permit Commissioner Roger
Goodell to serve as an arbitrator. What does that mean? Okay,
or has filed a lawsuit and the NFL came back
and said, according to your contracts, that has to be
(34:05):
done in arbitration. That's the exact same thing that they
said to John Gruden, who is also suing the NFL.
And what's interesting about that is that they've gone back
and forth. Well, the Nevada State Supreme Court earlier this
week ruled in favor of Gruden, saying he can have
his day in court. So now it is likely that
the NFL is going to try and get that all
the way to the Supreme Court to stop it and
(34:25):
force it to go to arbitration. The reason the courts
have said it can't go to arbitration is because it's
a lawsuit against the actions of in part, Roger Goodell,
and Roger Goodell would be the person that gets to
arbitrate it. So it's stupid. But at the end of
the day, why do you care? Well, you care because
if you're a football fan, part of what you've been
able to do is say, pay no attention to the
(34:45):
man behind the curtain for a very long team time.
You can imply that you know John Gruden. John Gruden
said the things that he said, by the way to
say loudly. He was caught on email saying the things
he said. They're disgusting and he deserves whatever he gets
for that. Gruden's point is he felt singled out and
he felt like he wanted to know why the league
leaked to that information. On Yahoo Sports Daily, the Yahoo
(35:06):
show that I host every day, Mike Florio from Pro
Football Talk talked about the fact that they want to
find out who ordered the code read on Gruden. What
we have to understand is if this stuff goes to court,
the things that the NFL has been able to hide forever,
they can't hide anymore. So all this conversation about collusion
or racism or homophobic slurs, all of the different things
(35:27):
you are talking about tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,
actually when you add it all up of emails around
the league that'll be out there. You're talking about owner
emails that are out there. Like if Jerry Jones has
a skeleton in his closet and it's anywhere near any
of this legal information he gets out there, we might
find out a lot about our favorite teams that we
don't want to know. We just choose not to believe.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 4 (36:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
This lawsuit situation is something that I think largely football
fans will fight you on and they will say, just
tell me where my team is gonna play, what time
my team is gonna play, who my team is gonna play.
I don't care about the rest of this administrative stuff,
because that, oftentimes is what we're met with, FITZI when
big stories around the business of football come out. It
(36:45):
just happened with the NFLPA stuff. You and I have
talked at great length in our appearances together on Fox
Sports Radio about this, as has I'm sure everybody else
with a platform here on Fox talked about this, and
largely we are met with indifference, rolling and okay, but
when does my football team play? How many interceptions were
(37:06):
thrown in training camp today? All these different things. If
this starts to unravel a thread around ownerships groups specifically,
then that and I don't want to get ahead of
ourselves because we don't know exactly what's in here or
what's about to be found out in discovery. But Dan Snyder.
(37:27):
The only reason that Dan Snyder got forced out of
the Washington Commanders is because a legal situation started to
unravel all the different things that Dan Snyder had done
improperly that people have known and people have talked about
for years, but finally had hard evidence against him to
get him to sell a team. And yes, nothing happened
to him in a terrible way other than he had
to sell the team, and he was very much against that.
And he wants to see the rest of the NFL
(37:49):
ownership fail because they forced him out, but he still
got his money. If this starts to lead to a
change in ownership, if these things get loud enough around ownership,
and that can actually impact all the different things about
your team that you've been able to ignore. So that's
the kind of skeleton in the closet type of stuff
that I think most of us would be interested in
(38:09):
should it come to light.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, you're right, because we now are in this spot
where venture capitalist companies are going to be buying football
teams because the valuations have gotten so high that individuals can't.
If individuals are forced to sell because of some of
their actions, that's going to be a trickle down. But
most importantly, the NFL has managed to keep everything under
wraps for so long. If they can't in this situation,
it is interesting to see what it means and also
(38:33):
whether or not fans should care. Speaking of what fans
should care about, did they care at all about preseason?
We'll answer that question now. Pucking fits in for Doug
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