August 14, 2025 • 39 mins
Jason Fitz and Buck Reising, in for Doug Gottlieb, discuss the NFL preseason and question just how much we should care about these games. The guys react to Mike Vrabel being in the midst of another brawl at Patriots camp. Plus, the guys close out with the latest edition of Would You Rather?!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Another weekend of NFL preseason football is upon us, and
you're gonna make mistakes. Why because you're gonna put value
into it. And this is your annual reminder that no
matter how starved you are for football, no matter how
desperate you are to see your favorite team, no matter
how much you want to turn what you see this
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weekend into something big, the fact is none of it matters.
And I don't fault you for watching it. I'll watch it,
We'll watch it. We're all fans. But we're better if
we just acknowledge before we even get into the weekend
that none of it means anything. He's Buck Rising on
Jason fitz hanging out with the Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm not a nihilist. Hell, I'm not smart enough to
really know what a nihilist is. I had to look
it up when somebody called me a nihilist, so like
I get it. Like I'm not a nothing matters person.
I'm genuinely not. I'm a logic person. So for me,
I like everything to stack together. And it's fine. I'm
one of those people that if you want to sit
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down and explain to me the why and how, I
desperately want to listen to it. But also if you
want to tell me nothing and just tell me I
have to deal with it, that's okay too. I don't
need to try and like make a big deal out
of absolutely anything, which is why it's funny that I
do this for a limmings sometimes, because everything's a big deal.
I just am so to me, it's so clear the
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preseason football is completely and totally meaningless in every possible way.
There is no takeaway that matters in preseason football at
all other than health. Health I'll buy all day long,
every other ounce of it. If somebody's great, well it's
because they were playing a vanilla defense against the vanilla
office and they weren't asked to do anything. If somebody's terrible,
it's because, well, they were playing, you know, to try
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try and take chances. Quarterbacks gotta take chances in preseason
and practice, so none of it matters. Like we get
a small glimpse this weekend into the second weekend of
pro football for the preseason, and all I keep thinking
is why, Like I guess I'm at that spot now
where I would just rather we only watch backups and
no single like no starters play, and it's all just
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a bunch of you know, it's practice squad guys. Try now,
because we're desperate for football, we want to watch it.
I want to watch the Raiders play the forty nine
ers this weekend. But if they win sixty to nothing
or they lose sixty to nothing, it won't mean a
damn thing for Week one.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, I disagree. It depends on what context that you're
looking for here, because I so from your perspective, you
are viewing it on television as a football fan, and
as a football fan, you will try. Not you specifically,
but anybody who just is watching as a casual fan
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is just desperate for a ball. God help you degenerates
that are actually betting on this stuff, and I know
plenty of you are sick. I mean, it's just it's
absolutely it's a disease that you have if you're betting
on preseason football, though I respect it. It is uh.
It has great meaning though for the people on the
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rosters trying to make it. It has great meaning for
the success or failure of a season if you're looking
down a depth chart. And for example, so I cover
a team for a living, like that's that's my day job.
I cover the Tennessee Titans for people that don't know us,
or or being introduced to us, or may have heard
us in passing or whatever. Like we don't just talk
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on the radio for a living. Like I cover a team,
I go to practice. I'm here in Atlanta covering joint
training camp practices with the Tennessee Titans and the Atlanta Falcons,
and I will see a preseason game tomorrow that I
will have to extract meaning from, not because I have to,
but because there is meaning to be extract from it. Fitzy,
It's like Tidies have a second round pass rusher that
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you've probably never heard of unless you're a die hard
Pack twelve guy or I guess technically a Big ten
guy because U see La is now in the Big ten.
Femi Olodeesa second round pick off ball linebacker that they're
converting to edge guys played like nine games as a
pass rusher, and they drafted him in the second round
off traits and tools. Okay, I'm watching a guy get
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stonewalled by the Falcons backup tackle and trying to figure out,
all right, did they make a mistake in the second round?
What is the logic here behind drafting this player where
they did, knowing that it was going to be a
project on a staff, by the way, that finished three
and fourteen last year and will be fired because their
ownership can't be trusted to allow things to play out,
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even though they continue to preach as a front office
patients over panic and all these different things. So I
have to sit there and talk to and get to
sit there and talk to football people about all right,
what should I be looking for in a preseason game
from this player? What kind of situations are you trying
to put him in? What is he struggling with right now?
Why is he defaulting to his traits rather than applying
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the technique that I see him practicing all week in practice.
But all of a sudden he just loses it when
he gets in the preseason game and he tries to
win based on tools as opposed to skill like, the
development of these players matters a great deal to the
long term, long term success as you're building up a franchise.
Titans couldn't be more of a rebuild than they are
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right now. There's plenty of organizations. I mean, you're Raiders.
I know the Raiders are doing it a bit differently
with a thirty five or thirty four year old quarterback
and a seventy three year old head coach, But there
are things here that will give them success or cause
them to not achieve their success based on what you're
seeing the lessons that they are trying to apply as
football people on their football team. Now, if you don't
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care about that crap and you just want to know
why the you know, why the Chiefs didn't cover the
spread in Week five or something like that, that's not
going to matter to you. But if you're actually trying
to learn about the things that these football coaches and
front office people and scouts are trying to evaluate in
real time, then there is great value. But it's granular.
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It's very very granular, and I don't know how many
people actually care about the granular as opposed to just
give me football. Why are you telling me these things
don't matter? Why won't this quarterback stop throwing interceptions?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think there's an in between line on that somewhere.
I just looked it up. Max Crosby didn't get his
first sack in the NFL until his fifth game.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Five games.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Crazy, I mean, so when you think about it, I
just these are the moments that I yell and scream.
I hear you, right, I understand that we all do.
Every fan. I'm talking here as a voice of the fan.
I think one thing that I've always looked at from
my microphone is I got to where I am because
of my fandom, and it's something that I was able
to turn into a career. So I love speaking to
the fans. And I understand that we all have a
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player or two that we fall in love with during
training camp that we just whether it's because we play
the video game and like that is our guy. There's
a period in my life where I decided that Marquez
U was gonna be the future quarterback of my beloved Raiders,
and I was convinced. I was convinced. So every time
there was a preseason game, it's like, I gotta see
what two he does, because this one's gonna be Tuiasa
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Sopo's gonna be the man. This is what we all do.
You're right, there are granular things that you can learn,
and certainly when you see overarching problems, sometimes it can
be a little bit of an eyebrow raiser. But the
first month of the NFL season is so wild. Like
I do like to bet on football games, I no
longer bet on the NFL in the first two weeks
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of the season at all. There is not a bet
I will place the first two weekends of the season.
Why because I've decided over the last couple of years.
Then all you're doing is throwing good money at bad
because most of these teams don't actually play their starters
much in the in the course of the preseason. All
of a sudden, they don't really have anything that's out
there for you. Everything's gonna look rusty, it's gonna look
disjointed the first couple of weeks. Like guess what this is.
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This is terrible analysis for most of you, but I
think it's the most honest thing you'll ever hear about
the beginning of the NFL team season. Your team might
win a couple of games in the beginning of the year,
or lose a couple of games in the beginning of
the year that they shouldn't because they just weren't ready
to start the season. Like everything is so chaotic at
the beginning of the year that to me, I don't
think you really have a set s. They always say
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in baseball, you don't really know who your team is
going to be until you hit the beginning of June.
I think in modern NFL games, even though there's only
seventeen of them over eighteen weeks, I think it takes
the first four weeks of the season to figure out
where you are. So I genuinely truly put no weight.
Now you're in practice every day, so I do think
there is waight to hey, in practice, I saw this,
you know. I'll go back to my Phantom of the Raiders.
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There is an offensive line battle going on right now
between Meredith and JPJ that nobody expected was going to happen,
and so all of a sudden that does become interesting.
How it looks in a preseason game is going to
be over evaluated. But for most of us that are
just watching the preseason game, I don't think again to
go back to what we talked about with Shaduur versus
Dylan Gabriel. I don't think we have enough context, like
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you have context on the Titans and on the Falcons.
You're seeing them both in practice this week, and what
you see on tomorrow's preseason game or Saturday tomorrow's preseason game,
that that's going to be a translation of what you
saw in joint practices. That is valuable. And that's why, honestly,
people that care about the Titans should listen to you
when you talk about it, because you can offer your
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insights on that. I think there's tremendous power of that.
I don't think that there's tremendous anything in watching the
number of times I have seen a wide receiver none
of us has ever heard of that's listed at five
to ten, that's really five to seven. Have the led
the preseason in yardage and catches, and then he gets
inevitably cut in the last cut, and the fan base
loses their damn mind, apoplectic. How could you cut that guy?
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And it's like, I don't even remember who that guy
is three years but that's what the preseason is.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I've got one here. Xavier Ristreppo cam Ward's buddy right
he led. He broke the program franchise receptions record in
a game that I, in fact watched rewatched last night
because it just happened to be on ESPA and you
Louisville at Miami. Xavier Restreppo broke Michael Irvin's receptions record
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at Miami, which is crazy. Guy is practiced quite the best.
But fan bases will attach themselves to these things because
it's more fun and easier, and it does nothing wrong
with it in attaching yourself to those storylines and creating
whatever narratives you want to create about whatever you think
should be done with your respective football team in this
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in this case specific to football in the preseason, versus
what actually is going on with the talent evaluators and
the coaches who see them every day and in the
meeting rooms, which is additional context that we don't have
that matters a great deal in terms of can they
learn the playbook? Are they retaining all these things? Are
they retaining these things, but can they actually implement them
in practice or game type situations? All this kind of
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stuff that is far less interesting to talk about than
should the Brown start shudor Sanders week one, you know,
and that's like, there's a place for that too. I
don't want to be dismissive of fan that approach by
certain segments of fan bases, because that is also fair dialogue.
Like you should be able to have a half baked
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opinion and argue about it with your buddies if that's
what you want to do for fun. I'm not here
to deprive you of that. I'm just here to offer
you more context if you would like it. If you
would like more context, I am here to help you.
If you are not interested in more context, that's fine.
I'll probably yell at you on the radio about it.
But you know, ebbs and flows with all these things.
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The other part of this is before you make whatever
points you're going to make, and I'm sure it's an
important one. I think there should be a preseason MVP.
I think that we should give these guys their moment
in the sun. I think that that would make the
dialogue even dumber. I think that people would assign great
value to the preseason MVP. Look at me, he's disgusted.
You could if we were on the Doug Gottlieb YouTube
channel today, which you can subscribe to wherever you are
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consuming Doug Gottlieb shows. But I want a preseason MVP
at least just to keep fans interested for a longer
period of time other than checking out halfway through the
second quarter.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Look, that is the worst idea you've ever had, Almost
as bad as the n C whatever, the n season
tournament that the Lakers won once and then they actually
discussed whether or not they were gonna put that trophy
up like I mean, I mean, no, no, no, But
I mean, that's that's the level of stupid you're proposing. Okay,
all that to say, I'm so floored by the stupidity
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of that. I will just say this when we come back.
There is one team for all the preseason conversation we
shouldn't have. There's one team that we are having the
wrong preseason conversation about the most overrated team in the
NFL preseason, and it is clear. We'll tell you who
it is next these Buck Rising on Jason Fitz. We're
in on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (13:02):
I find myself eating a portion controlled number of frozen
grapes at the end of the night, and I feel
so fancy because my whole life growing up is like, oh,
the concept of frozen grapes, but also they're really delicious.
So where are you, as the elitist on frozen grapes
as a sweet treat.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It sounds like something you would give a toddler that's
that does that does not sound like that? To shut
up a screaming baby up. You'd be like, all right,
I'll give him some frozen grapes. Maybe he's teething.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Royalty back in the day got like like the women
would feed the royalty the frozen grapes while they fen
them with the big banana.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Lisa, no, no, no, no no. When you tell me
frozen grapes, I think something that come in a wholesale
bag that you're just pulling out of pulling out of
the fraezer at night and shoveling a couple in your
face and then calling it today, we'lcome back here on
Box Sports Radio. He's Jason fitz on Buck Rising, hanging
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out here with you on the Doug Gottlieb Show, filling
in for the day fits. He's looking at me terrified
because it seems he is disconnected, but he will be
back with us shortly. The thing that he teased before
we went to break is the most overrated team in
the NFL in the preseason, or at least in the
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preseason discussion. And the genesis of this is because there
are videos circulating on the internet of Patriots and Vikings
joint training camp practices, and something that occurred today, as
is typically the case in joint training camp practices, a
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fight broke out. Now, I'm here in Atlanta covering the
Atlanta Falcons and the Tennessee Titans. While I'm here covering
the Tennessee Titans, but the Tennessee Titans just happened to
have a preseason game against the Falcons that there were
two days of joint training camp practices. And guess what
there were fights, Nothing of great consequence, nothing that completely
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disrupted the practice, nothing that sent everybody spiraling that way.
But as is the case, when you get that many
football players on a field and it's hot, and it's tough,
and it's miserable, and there's pushing and shoving, and there's
winning and losing, and there's jawing after the play, these
things are gonna happen. But in this Patriots Vikings practice today,
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there was a fight that broke out. Guys went to
the ground, and the coach of the New England Patriots,
Mike Rabele, jumps in the middle of it. Now he's
already gotten in the middle of one training camp practice fight.
He is already put himself in that position to where
he came up with a bloodied face and he's got
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a big old gash across his cheek and he's sitting
there telling everybody you should see the other guy. Now.
I happen to know, because I covered Mike Brabel for
six years, that this is a situation that he is
prone to do oftentimes because he's as big, if not
bigger than the football players that he coaches. But today,
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in the middle of this Vikings Patriots training camp fight,
Mike Rabel went in to break it up as he does,
ended up on a ground and is in the middle
of yet another training camp fight, probably to his detriment.
Now I know, Mike, it's his birthday today and he's
getting a bit long in the tooth to be doing it.
And I know he would tell you again you should
see the other guy, and more often than not he's
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probably right. But this lore of Mike Vrabel and the
New England Patriots and not maybe not the favorite son,
because the favorite son just got a twelve foot statue
to him put up in front of the New England
Patriots stadium in Foxborough at Gillette Stadium, Tom Brady, and
he's jawing at Jets fans saying, now they have something
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to throw their beers at as they leave, probably in
the second quarter. Maybe the third Tom Brady is the
favorite son there. But if tom Brady is the favorite,
than Mike Vrabel is the second favorite. And they finally
got the second favorite son to come home and be
the coach. The amount of hype around Mike Rabel as
the coach of the New England Patriots is understandable. That
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part of the country loves him, that part of the
country is inspired by him. They can relate to him
because he can relate to them. He's from Ohio, but
he's one of them, and he is somebody who comes
in with an authoritarian style that they are more accustomed to.
Not anything against Gerrodmeyo other than he clearly wasn't ready
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for the job last year. But they are putting so
much value in Mike Rabel as the head coach that
people are talking about the New England Patriots as if
they might be a playoff team in twenty twenty five,
as if they don't have one of the worst rosters
that you've ever seen in professional football, as if they
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don't have significant questions, significant questions around their second year
quarterback who looked like he might have something. But there
have been plenty of quarterbacks to show flashes in their
rookie year that don't pan out if they don't have
requisite skill position players as the New England Patriots do not,
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and a good offensive line to support them, as the
New England Patriots do not. The amount of Mike vrabel
lore that is gassing up the Patriots and they're over
for people who are betting them is inexplicable to me,
because I've covered Mike Frable, as I mentioned, six years
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with the Tennessee Titans, fired after a six win season,
a season that they had no business winning those six
games that they did, but an unceremonious finish to his
career after being the Coach of the Year in twenty
twenty one, taking a godfirst in franchise in Tennessee to
the AFC Championship, playing the Chiefs kind of down to
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the wire until Patrick Mahomes does the Patrick Mahomes thing
that he does, which is just outruns a shoe string
tackle en route to the end zone before the half
to score another touchdown and break you over his knee
and run away with it. As the Chiefs, at least
in that time period, were wont to do. I know
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they look a little bit mortal of light. People are
down on the Chiefs, but still and Mike vrabel inherited
a roster at that point, Fitzie that was ready to
go at the time, that had Marcus Mariota as the quarterback,
but had Ryan Tannehill's the failsafe, had Derrick Henry in
his prime, had an offensive line that was ready to rock,
had a defense that was excellent, had Aj Brown at
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the time. I'm sure the Titans wish they could have
that back, but Mike Vrabel inherited a playoff team. Mike
Vrabel has never had to do, at least in the pros,
what he is currently being tasked to do with the
New England Patriots, which is build this thing from the
ground up. And it doesn't mean that he's incapable of it.
But in twenty twenty five, the amount of Patriots hype
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just simply because of who the coach is, I think
it's way way overdone.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm I'm lost because look, Mike Frabel, like this is
again that area where two things can be true. Mike
Frabel did a really nice job in Tennessee at times
with some pretty good football teams, you know, but he
also had the benefit of Derrick Henry. And I'm not
saying that to Negate what Mike Vrabel has done, but
it's just one of those moments where and this is
where Patriots fans have come in and say, no worries,
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that's why they drafted Henderson. He's gonna be the Derrick Henry. Okay,
things aren't necessarily that simple. There is this concept and
I don't know where it came from, honestly, Buck that
like Mike Rabel took chicken, you know, what and made
the best chicken salad we've ever seen in a Michelin
Star restaurant with just the worst ever of everything. And
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I think that's a little oversimplified. I think it takes
a little of the blame off of Rabel's plate, and
I think it takes somebody that is, frankly, for whatever reason,
football likable. Like there's a part of Rabel that is
football dude likable that people enjoy being around, and so
all of a sudden, we just look at that dude
and we're like, oh, I know who that is. All
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I know is that the narrative is the Titans suck
and Titan's ownership. I don't even know who they are.
Like your casual fan only knows the Titans for Mike Rabel.
So they see him out of there and they think, Okay,
this is going to be brilliant. And I think, okay, man,
if the expectation I live in New England Patriots Country,
the expectation here is Brady Belichick for everything, and that
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is a lofty Like if you think Mike Rabel is
going to be Bill Belichick, then you think he with
New England is going to be one of the three
or four best football coaches of all time. If all
he is is pretty good. On this Patriots team, They're
an eight win team this year, and people are gonna
lose their minds because they're talking about them like they're
a twelve win team.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Listen, I think the Titans made a mistake when they
fired Mike, and even though there were some circumstances that
caused Mike Rabel to get himself in part in part
fired like I think they aired in making the decision
that they did, and the results have played themselves out
for a season in which they were the worst team
in football and that Mike Rabel was holding them together
with glue and toothpicks at the end, and they still won.
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They only won six games, but that was probably, like
I said, more games than they deserve to win at
the time. He also, here's the thing, Fitzie, He's got
full control there. That's his organization. I know Bob Kraft
owns the Patriots, but Mike Frable is now not just
the head coach. He is in concert with I'm gonna
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say Ryan Cowden. Even though Elliott Wolf is technically their GM,
Elliott Wolf does not matter in the grand scheme. Of
that organization. And I know that just because I know
the kind of organization that Mike Rabel imported from Tennessee
up to New England. Ryan Cowden is the name that
most people probably don't know, but he is going to
have a huge level of influence in what they do,
and he and Rabel are going to work in concert together.
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There were a lot of bad personnel decisions made in
Tennessee at the end. A lot of bad personnel decisions
made in Tennessee at the end. And I don't think
that John Robinson, who was the GM at the time
who got fired, was not was the only reason. He
was the bulk of the reason, but not the only
reason why they cratered from a roster standpoint that saw
that level of competitiveness fall off a cliff. So there
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are ben head coaches who have personnel control or as
much say in personnel control as this one does, who
have succeeded. Kyle Shanahan is one of them. Kyle Shanahan
is also an offensive minded head coach who is considered
a wonder who is a wonder kind. I don't know
how much of a kind he is at this point.
He's looking a little more gray, a little more long
in the tooth than I remember last time I saw
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Cayle Shanahan, but still an offensive minded head coach. There
are very few of these guys on the defensive side
of the ball who have the kind of success that
Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan, who do have roster control
at their respective places, are able to come away with
because they are one of a kind. I mean, maybe
two of a kind, but you understand my point. Mike
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is not going to be able to make up for
any offensive deficiencies that they have. In fact, Josh McDaniels
is a fascinating figure here because we haven't seen Josh
McDaniels do it without Tom Brady either, those same principles
about doing without Tom Brady for Bill Belichick. Josh McDaniels
is one of those people I know. You know this
as the as a Raiders fan who had to deal
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with him as a head coach that had seen in
the locker room, couldn't wait to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I have to tell you what two people that played
in Josh McDaniel's offense, not for the Raiders, but when
he was just an offensive coordinator told me about that
offense and why I think that it's important for Drake.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Maybe.
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Speaker 2 (25:06):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitz Ra hanging in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and we
were just talking about the Patriots and how wildly overhyped
I believe they are this year, and I want to
go back to Josh McDaniel's offense. In fact, Mac Jones
is somebody I spent some time with last year last
summer during a high school football moment, and he talked
about how some coaches get you and you get some coaches,
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and that was really particularly important for him. He and
Josh McDaniels obviously clicked. I want to take nothing away
from that because this is where Patriots fans and some
people inside the organization will even say, hey, Mac Jones
went to a Pro Bowl with Josh McDaniels as his
head coach and they're not wrong, like that's fine, that happened.
That being said, I know two different players that played
for a brief stint with the New England Patriots different
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times in their career, that both played in the NFL
for a substantial amount of time, and they both told
me the same thing without each other in the room,
just in conversations about Josh McDaniels. This was back when
I was asking about Josh because he was hired as
the head coach of my favorite football team. And I'll
never forget. One guy that played over ten years in
the league said, I have seen every offense you could
ever imagine, and I got into that offense and it
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was like a foreign language. I've never had that many reads,
I've never had that much communication, I've never had that
many variables, and it just over and over again. I
got specific examples. I talked to another player who also
played in the league for quite a while and he
said the exact same thing. He said, Man, you think
you know what an offense is, and there's terminology and
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things that you can take from every offense you've been
in until you're in a Josh McDaniel's offense and it
is all new from scratch, and we've seen that, we
have seen how difficult that offense is for some people.
So now we have Drake May. And again I'll go
back to someone I know that knows the North Carolina
coaching staff well, that said that the coaching, the offensive
coaching around North Carolina was predicated on the concept of
(26:52):
find green grass. So every route had a green grass
combo on it. You find green grass, you throw to
green grass. That's not uncommon in some really basic offenses.
But I say that to say, we have no idea
from day one of Drake May in the NFL, we
had no idea of how he's going to just absorb
a certain style of offense. If anyone watched Quarterback, one
(27:14):
thing that Jared Goff stressed during Quarterback is you and
your offensive play caller have to be calling the same
language all the time. Remember there was an episode in
that show where he was saying in the huddle, Micdup,
call scuttle but I want scuttle butt, and then the
call came in and it was scuttle butt. And Golf
afterwards was talking about the fact that you just have
to be on the same page. Well, that's hard to
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do when Josh McDaniels is speaking the language he's spoken
for the majority of his adult life and somebody else
is just learning it. That to me screams learning curve.
There will be some really good moments for Drake May
and there will be some really weird moments. What we'll say,
what in the hell was he thinking? Because we don't
know whether he or the wide receiver was wrong. But
the amount of communication it takes me in you mentioned
(27:55):
it earlier, Rapes is not coming in as an offensive,
brilliant head coach that's going to really run things. He's
not Sean McVeigh, right, So he's gonna come in and
he's gonna trust Josh McDaniels to the offense. To me,
that screams adjustment period. And if you're all in on
the Patriots making the playoffs this year, I don't see
how you bring all these new faces in, all this
adjustment in culture, all of the things that you're asking for,
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Brabel and an adjustment in the offensive language.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think they're gonna be a better football team, but
they were, you know, they were a Joe Milton shouldn't
have won the game against the Bills, win away from
being the worst football team and being able to have
the number one overall pick and all these different things, right,
they kind of bang themselves at the end of the year,
and Joe Milton ends up as a Dallas cowboy as
a result, and probably overhype there. It's just so many
(28:43):
different connections to the state of Tennessee in which I work,
and I know you live for quite some time, FITZI
here in all the different national topics that we've touched
on today. But I do think that they're going to
be a better football team. I think that Mike will
get them moving in the direct in the right direction.
I think he commands a room. It's very difficult to do.
That job is so much more than just the x'es
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and o's, right, There are plenty of failed or plenty
of excellent coordinators who have been failed head coaches, because again,
it is not just an exus and o's job. But
if the x'es and o's people that you've hired have,
you know, difficulty adjusting to the talent that you have,
then that will create a situation that will become very apparent,
(29:27):
very quickly, and that if Josh McDaniels is so married
to assist him, and I think that generation or that
kind of coaches being phased out at this point. You
have to be malleable if you're going to work in
the NFL, if you're going to have sustained success in
the NFL, and maybe maybe maybe maybe Josh McDaniels for
the fifth time around, in some form or fashion, has
(29:50):
learned whatever lesson he needs to learn about how to
be more flexible as a coach. But I'm gonna go
ahead and bet against that given precedent, betting against the
New England Patriots being improved. I'm betting against the idea
that they are going to be so improved up to
as you mentioned, the Brady Belichick standard. Nobody's ever gonna
achieve that standard. I mean, it's it's feasible to think
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that that at standard has never achieved again in modern
football history because there's only one of those guys. It's
a huge experiment right now in New England for a
fan base that is one tired of losing after having
been spoiled for so so long, and has unrealistic expectations
relative to the rest of the football consuming public. And
(30:37):
you know, I enjoy I rather miss you know, Mike
Vrabel taking one of our heads off at a press
conference when you ask him a question and you're not
paying attention the way that I saw him due to
Ben Bolan on the first day of training camp, and
in fact I texted him, I said, you couldn't make
it one day, one day without taking somebody's head off
that way. And it was pretty harmless on that scale.
But that stuff that he does at press conference that
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I'm smarter than you. It's not my job to teach
you football. That becomes a lot less cute and a
lot less fun when you are the coach of a
six or eight win football team, because you've got problems
between your offensive coordinator and his ability to teach or
work with at a reasonable level the talent that you've
put into place, and that's the kind of thing that
you could foresee them being up against. I don't want
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to make problems where they're not problems yet it all
could go to plan. I have no idea, but these
are just based on the experience of what it is
to cover Mike Vrabel coach teams and the fact that
he's got more power in that organization than anybody saved
the owner at this point in time. These are things
that are going to be worth monitoring if you're a
Patriots fan.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, and I just keep going back to I've lived
in the New England area since twenty eighteen at this point,
and one thing that stunned me when I came up
here is that, you know, it's this is the opposite
of Nashville, where I live for twenty five years of
my life. It is wildly opposite Nashville. You can't you
can't walk into a sports bar on a Saturday because
everybody's watching college football up here. Well, you could walk
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in and take five tables to yourself. They don't even
have college football on TV. But one thing about Sunday
is for sure, the Patriots were on every TV until
they weren't. And now all of a sudden, you walk
into a sports bar up here, the Giants and the
Jets are on the TVs. Why Because Patriots fans are
just done. And it's amazing to me to see that
they've quickly learned how the rest of the league lives.
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That everybody's convinced Frabe's gonna come in and be a lifesaver.
What you said at the beginning is true. I think
the Patriots is going to be better. The problem is,
I think people expect that the Patriots are going to
be the Patriots of old, and there's been absolutely no
proof in my mind that we're one step away from that.
We are one step away from the single greatest game
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Speaker 3 (33:20):
No, I will just be returning home from Magic City,
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It's one of my favorite pac Man Jones I don't
I don't know if this was ever out there, but
I remember talking to a long time NFL executive. We'll
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up having a long career and going on to have
you know, on field success, and I last I checked,
Pack had turned it into a bit of a media career.
He's doing his own podcast and things like that. Good
on him. But one of my favorite pac Man Jones
lines was, well, if I don't at where else am
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I supposed to get food at two am? If not
from a strip club as a means of just like, yeah,
I'm just there for the food, you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I respect that. That's why Buck and I are going
to be in person in Vegas somehow some way for
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Speaker 3 (34:55):
Rather? Did? We get it?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's easy, guys, don't think too hard.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I'm not a moron.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Would you rather buckets or fix it? All right? It
is simple. The concept is would you rather bucket or
fits it? That is really difficult to say in a
way that won't get us fired. Producer Ryan, come on in,
give us a would you rather, and we'll figure out what. Yes.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Nice, Yes, I won't even try.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I won't even try to say this, Howard?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Would would you rather have to do postgame interviews only
while running on a treadmill? Or only while taking an
ice bath? No?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Running on a treadmill? All right? Have you? Have you
done much postgame, postgame interview, press conference, locker room type
of stuff? Fits?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And you're like a little bit, a little bit okay?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I do it every weekend, and I'm getting ready to
do it again tomorrow night because I got a preseason
game to cover. You are sprinting from the press box
down to whatever bowels of the stadium wherever you're opposing.
Obviously on the at home, you know where the interview
interview room is, you know where the locker room is.
But like every opposing stadium you're in, you're running all
over your life. The Chicago Bears Soldier Field is in
(36:04):
a great spot logistically as far as where it's where
it is on the Chicago or in downtown Chicago. But
whoever designed that stadium can sit on the fat end
of a baseball bat and spin as far as I'm concerned,
because they make it damn near impossible to find anything
underneath that stadium. I constantly sound like I'm out of
breath while doing postgame interview settings. The ice bath thing
(36:27):
sounds like an unrelenting hell, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I would choose the ice bath because most of the
postgame settings I've been in have been like the Final Four,
the National Championship Game, things like that, where there are
so many people you can't really stand out. If I'm
in an ice Bath. Everybody's gonna make room for me
number one and number two. Whoever's at the podium is
going to look over and actually acknowledge me. So, even
though the question will be very difficult to ask, I
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go Ice Bath.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Unbelievable. I'm doing Titans Falcons preseason games, which is like
I only cover national championships. Who's the alitis now?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I am on this novel. By the way, that wasn't accidental.
I was just making sure that you know. That's like
a dog lifting the leg. I was just peeing all
over my territory. Ryan, What do you got for us next? Oh? Boy?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Uh? So, would you rather be the fastest player in
the world but trip every time you celebrate? Or the
slowest player in the world but never miss a trash
talk opportunity?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, the slowest player in the world, never missed a
trash talk opportunity without a doubt, Like, what's the point
of being fast if you can't celebrate? And if you
trip every time you celebrate, You're just gonna become a meme.
I don't want that. I will mosey like the tortoise
versus the hair. Hair can get there first. I'm gonna
have a better time doing it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Buck. Oh yeah, no, I'm with you. We are aligned
in this way. I just want to be able to
my game. May not necessarily be able to back up
my smack talk, but that's not gonna tap me to
talk stop me from smack talking anyway. Hell, I can't
even talk properly.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean I've been I've been kicked out of more
church basketball leagues and you can shake a stick out
for my mouth. So yeah, I'm all in for that.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You know, it turns out there are certain things that
will get kicked out of Churchley games. Okay, what do
you got for usnex? You know what all I said
was Jimmy Christmas. I didn't even say the real thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
But does it start to sizzle? Well?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, it is a wonder that they let me, that's
for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Last one here.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Would you rather have a personal hype man who follows
you everywhere? Or a laugh track that plays every time
you make a joke funny or not?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Oh, personal hype man? I Well that's interesting because I
already am my own my own personal hype man, deserved
or otherwise. But I probably still like the affirmation. Nothing
beats affirmation.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
A hype man is good though, Like I do like
the idea of walking in the room and having like
and when I walk in the room and like somebody
doing the entire thing, I think that would I'm trying
to think of what would what would piss you off more?
And I think a laugh track actually would, because I
would just intentionally say really bad jokes constantly just to
(38:58):
get because you know, once I'm imagine it's a good
laugh track, then the whole room's gonna laugh at it.
And that's only gonna make you angry that you're not
laughing at it. And everybody else's Cavino' rich next. They're
always good looking and hysterical. We'll be back with you
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Another weekend of NFL preseason football is upon us, and
you're gonna make mistakes. Why because you're gonna put value
into it. And this is your annual reminder that no
matter how starved you are for football, no matter how
desperate you are to see your favorite team, no matter
how much you want to turn what you see this
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weekend into something big, the fact is none of it matters.
And I don't fault you for watching it. I'll watch it,
We'll watch it. We're all fans. But we're better if
we just acknowledge before we even get into the weekend
that none of it means anything. He's Buck Rising on
Jason fitz hanging out with the Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm not a nihilist. Hell, I'm not smart enough to
really know what a nihilist is. I had to look
it up when somebody called me a nihilist, so like
I get it. Like I'm not a nothing matters person.
I'm genuinely not. I'm a logic person. So for me,
I like everything to stack together. And it's fine. I'm
one of those people that if you want to sit
(01:19):
down and explain to me the why and how, I
desperately want to listen to it. But also if you
want to tell me nothing and just tell me I
have to deal with it, that's okay too. I don't
need to try and like make a big deal out
of absolutely anything, which is why it's funny that I
do this for a limmings sometimes, because everything's a big deal.
I just am so to me, it's so clear the
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preseason football is completely and totally meaningless in every possible way.
There is no takeaway that matters in preseason football at
all other than health. Health I'll buy all day long,
every other ounce of it. If somebody's great, well it's
because they were playing a vanilla defense against the vanilla
office and they weren't asked to do anything. If somebody's terrible,
it's because, well, they were playing, you know, to try
(02:01):
try and take chances. Quarterbacks gotta take chances in preseason
and practice, so none of it matters. Like we get
a small glimpse this weekend into the second weekend of
pro football for the preseason, and all I keep thinking
is why, Like I guess I'm at that spot now
where I would just rather we only watch backups and
no single like no starters play, and it's all just
(02:22):
a bunch of you know, it's practice squad guys. Try now,
because we're desperate for football, we want to watch it.
I want to watch the Raiders play the forty nine
ers this weekend. But if they win sixty to nothing
or they lose sixty to nothing, it won't mean a
damn thing for Week one.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, I disagree. It depends on what context that you're
looking for here, because I so from your perspective, you
are viewing it on television as a football fan, and
as a football fan, you will try. Not you specifically,
but anybody who just is watching as a casual fan
(02:59):
is just desperate for a ball. God help you degenerates
that are actually betting on this stuff, and I know
plenty of you are sick. I mean, it's just it's
absolutely it's a disease that you have if you're betting
on preseason football, though I respect it. It is uh.
It has great meaning though for the people on the
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rosters trying to make it. It has great meaning for
the success or failure of a season if you're looking
down a depth chart. And for example, so I cover
a team for a living, like that's that's my day job.
I cover the Tennessee Titans for people that don't know us,
or or being introduced to us, or may have heard
us in passing or whatever. Like we don't just talk
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on the radio for a living. Like I cover a team,
I go to practice. I'm here in Atlanta covering joint
training camp practices with the Tennessee Titans and the Atlanta Falcons,
and I will see a preseason game tomorrow that I
will have to extract meaning from, not because I have to,
but because there is meaning to be extract from it. Fitzy,
It's like Tidies have a second round pass rusher that
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you've probably never heard of unless you're a die hard
Pack twelve guy or I guess technically a Big ten
guy because U see La is now in the Big ten.
Femi Olodeesa second round pick off ball linebacker that they're
converting to edge guys played like nine games as a
pass rusher, and they drafted him in the second round
off traits and tools. Okay, I'm watching a guy get
(04:26):
stonewalled by the Falcons backup tackle and trying to figure out,
all right, did they make a mistake in the second round?
What is the logic here behind drafting this player where
they did, knowing that it was going to be a
project on a staff, by the way, that finished three
and fourteen last year and will be fired because their
ownership can't be trusted to allow things to play out,
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even though they continue to preach as a front office
patients over panic and all these different things. So I
have to sit there and talk to and get to
sit there and talk to football people about all right,
what should I be looking for in a preseason game
from this player? What kind of situations are you trying
to put him in? What is he struggling with right now?
Why is he defaulting to his traits rather than applying
(05:09):
the technique that I see him practicing all week in practice.
But all of a sudden he just loses it when
he gets in the preseason game and he tries to
win based on tools as opposed to skill like, the
development of these players matters a great deal to the
long term, long term success as you're building up a franchise.
Titans couldn't be more of a rebuild than they are
(05:29):
right now. There's plenty of organizations. I mean, you're Raiders.
I know the Raiders are doing it a bit differently
with a thirty five or thirty four year old quarterback
and a seventy three year old head coach, But there
are things here that will give them success or cause
them to not achieve their success based on what you're
seeing the lessons that they are trying to apply as
football people on their football team. Now, if you don't
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care about that crap and you just want to know
why the you know, why the Chiefs didn't cover the
spread in Week five or something like that, that's not
going to matter to you. But if you're actually trying
to learn about the things that these football coaches and
front office people and scouts are trying to evaluate in
real time, then there is great value. But it's granular.
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It's very very granular, and I don't know how many
people actually care about the granular as opposed to just
give me football. Why are you telling me these things
don't matter? Why won't this quarterback stop throwing interceptions?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think there's an in between line on that somewhere.
I just looked it up. Max Crosby didn't get his
first sack in the NFL until his fifth game.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Five games.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Crazy, I mean, so when you think about it, I
just these are the moments that I yell and scream.
I hear you, right, I understand that we all do.
Every fan. I'm talking here as a voice of the fan.
I think one thing that I've always looked at from
my microphone is I got to where I am because
of my fandom, and it's something that I was able
to turn into a career. So I love speaking to
the fans. And I understand that we all have a
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player or two that we fall in love with during
training camp that we just whether it's because we play
the video game and like that is our guy. There's
a period in my life where I decided that Marquez
U was gonna be the future quarterback of my beloved Raiders,
and I was convinced. I was convinced. So every time
there was a preseason game, it's like, I gotta see
what two he does, because this one's gonna be Tuiasa
(07:11):
Sopo's gonna be the man. This is what we all do.
You're right, there are granular things that you can learn,
and certainly when you see overarching problems, sometimes it can
be a little bit of an eyebrow raiser. But the
first month of the NFL season is so wild. Like
I do like to bet on football games, I no
longer bet on the NFL in the first two weeks
(07:32):
of the season at all. There is not a bet
I will place the first two weekends of the season.
Why because I've decided over the last couple of years.
Then all you're doing is throwing good money at bad
because most of these teams don't actually play their starters
much in the in the course of the preseason. All
of a sudden, they don't really have anything that's out
there for you. Everything's gonna look rusty, it's gonna look
disjointed the first couple of weeks. Like guess what this is.
(07:53):
This is terrible analysis for most of you, but I
think it's the most honest thing you'll ever hear about
the beginning of the NFL team season. Your team might
win a couple of games in the beginning of the year,
or lose a couple of games in the beginning of
the year that they shouldn't because they just weren't ready
to start the season. Like everything is so chaotic at
the beginning of the year that to me, I don't
think you really have a set s. They always say
(08:14):
in baseball, you don't really know who your team is
going to be until you hit the beginning of June.
I think in modern NFL games, even though there's only
seventeen of them over eighteen weeks, I think it takes
the first four weeks of the season to figure out
where you are. So I genuinely truly put no weight.
Now you're in practice every day, so I do think
there is waight to hey, in practice, I saw this,
you know. I'll go back to my Phantom of the Raiders.
(08:37):
There is an offensive line battle going on right now
between Meredith and JPJ that nobody expected was going to happen,
and so all of a sudden that does become interesting.
How it looks in a preseason game is going to
be over evaluated. But for most of us that are
just watching the preseason game, I don't think again to
go back to what we talked about with Shaduur versus
Dylan Gabriel. I don't think we have enough context, like
(08:57):
you have context on the Titans and on the Falcons.
You're seeing them both in practice this week, and what
you see on tomorrow's preseason game or Saturday tomorrow's preseason game,
that that's going to be a translation of what you
saw in joint practices. That is valuable. And that's why, honestly,
people that care about the Titans should listen to you
when you talk about it, because you can offer your
(09:18):
insights on that. I think there's tremendous power of that.
I don't think that there's tremendous anything in watching the
number of times I have seen a wide receiver none
of us has ever heard of that's listed at five
to ten, that's really five to seven. Have the led
the preseason in yardage and catches, and then he gets
inevitably cut in the last cut, and the fan base
loses their damn mind, apoplectic. How could you cut that guy?
(09:40):
And it's like, I don't even remember who that guy
is three years but that's what the preseason is.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I've got one here. Xavier Ristreppo cam Ward's buddy right
he led. He broke the program franchise receptions record in
a game that I, in fact watched rewatched last night
because it just happened to be on ESPA and you
Louisville at Miami. Xavier Restreppo broke Michael Irvin's receptions record
(10:05):
at Miami, which is crazy. Guy is practiced quite the best.
But fan bases will attach themselves to these things because
it's more fun and easier, and it does nothing wrong
with it in attaching yourself to those storylines and creating
whatever narratives you want to create about whatever you think
should be done with your respective football team in this
(10:27):
in this case specific to football in the preseason, versus
what actually is going on with the talent evaluators and
the coaches who see them every day and in the
meeting rooms, which is additional context that we don't have
that matters a great deal in terms of can they
learn the playbook? Are they retaining all these things? Are
they retaining these things, but can they actually implement them
in practice or game type situations? All this kind of
(10:48):
stuff that is far less interesting to talk about than
should the Brown start shudor Sanders week one, you know,
and that's like, there's a place for that too. I
don't want to be dismissive of fan that approach by
certain segments of fan bases, because that is also fair dialogue.
Like you should be able to have a half baked
(11:10):
opinion and argue about it with your buddies if that's
what you want to do for fun. I'm not here
to deprive you of that. I'm just here to offer
you more context if you would like it. If you
would like more context, I am here to help you.
If you are not interested in more context, that's fine.
I'll probably yell at you on the radio about it.
But you know, ebbs and flows with all these things.
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The other part of this is before you make whatever
points you're going to make, and I'm sure it's an
important one. I think there should be a preseason MVP.
I think that we should give these guys their moment
in the sun. I think that that would make the
dialogue even dumber. I think that people would assign great
value to the preseason MVP. Look at me, he's disgusted.
You could if we were on the Doug Gottlieb YouTube
channel today, which you can subscribe to wherever you are
(11:53):
consuming Doug Gottlieb shows. But I want a preseason MVP
at least just to keep fans interested for a longer
period of time other than checking out halfway through the
second quarter.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Look, that is the worst idea you've ever had, Almost
as bad as the n C whatever, the n season
tournament that the Lakers won once and then they actually
discussed whether or not they were gonna put that trophy
up like I mean, I mean, no, no, no, But
I mean, that's that's the level of stupid you're proposing. Okay,
all that to say, I'm so floored by the stupidity
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of that. I will just say this when we come back.
There is one team for all the preseason conversation we
shouldn't have. There's one team that we are having the
wrong preseason conversation about the most overrated team in the
NFL preseason, and it is clear. We'll tell you who
it is next these Buck Rising on Jason Fitz. We're
in on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (13:02):
I find myself eating a portion controlled number of frozen
grapes at the end of the night, and I feel
so fancy because my whole life growing up is like, oh,
the concept of frozen grapes, but also they're really delicious.
So where are you, as the elitist on frozen grapes
as a sweet treat.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It sounds like something you would give a toddler that's
that does that does not sound like that? To shut
up a screaming baby up. You'd be like, all right,
I'll give him some frozen grapes. Maybe he's teething.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Royalty back in the day got like like the women
would feed the royalty the frozen grapes while they fen
them with the big banana.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Lisa, no, no, no, no no. When you tell me
frozen grapes, I think something that come in a wholesale
bag that you're just pulling out of pulling out of
the fraezer at night and shoveling a couple in your
face and then calling it today, we'lcome back here on
Box Sports Radio. He's Jason fitz on Buck Rising, hanging
(13:59):
out here with you on the Doug Gottlieb Show, filling
in for the day fits. He's looking at me terrified
because it seems he is disconnected, but he will be
back with us shortly. The thing that he teased before
we went to break is the most overrated team in
the NFL in the preseason, or at least in the
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preseason discussion. And the genesis of this is because there
are videos circulating on the internet of Patriots and Vikings
joint training camp practices, and something that occurred today, as
is typically the case in joint training camp practices, a
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fight broke out. Now, I'm here in Atlanta covering the
Atlanta Falcons and the Tennessee Titans. While I'm here covering
the Tennessee Titans, but the Tennessee Titans just happened to
have a preseason game against the Falcons that there were
two days of joint training camp practices. And guess what
there were fights, Nothing of great consequence, nothing that completely
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disrupted the practice, nothing that sent everybody spiraling that way.
But as is the case, when you get that many
football players on a field and it's hot, and it's tough,
and it's miserable, and there's pushing and shoving, and there's
winning and losing, and there's jawing after the play, these
things are gonna happen. But in this Patriots Vikings practice today,
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there was a fight that broke out. Guys went to
the ground, and the coach of the New England Patriots,
Mike Rabele, jumps in the middle of it. Now he's
already gotten in the middle of one training camp practice fight.
He is already put himself in that position to where
he came up with a bloodied face and he's got
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a big old gash across his cheek and he's sitting
there telling everybody you should see the other guy. Now.
I happen to know, because I covered Mike Brabel for
six years, that this is a situation that he is
prone to do oftentimes because he's as big, if not
bigger than the football players that he coaches. But today,
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in the middle of this Vikings Patriots training camp fight,
Mike Rabel went in to break it up as he does,
ended up on a ground and is in the middle
of yet another training camp fight, probably to his detriment.
Now I know, Mike, it's his birthday today and he's
getting a bit long in the tooth to be doing it.
And I know he would tell you again you should
see the other guy, and more often than not he's
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probably right. But this lore of Mike Vrabel and the
New England Patriots and not maybe not the favorite son,
because the favorite son just got a twelve foot statue
to him put up in front of the New England
Patriots stadium in Foxborough at Gillette Stadium, Tom Brady, and
he's jawing at Jets fans saying, now they have something
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to throw their beers at as they leave, probably in
the second quarter. Maybe the third Tom Brady is the
favorite son there. But if tom Brady is the favorite,
than Mike Vrabel is the second favorite. And they finally
got the second favorite son to come home and be
the coach. The amount of hype around Mike Rabel as
the coach of the New England Patriots is understandable. That
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part of the country loves him, that part of the
country is inspired by him. They can relate to him
because he can relate to them. He's from Ohio, but
he's one of them, and he is somebody who comes
in with an authoritarian style that they are more accustomed to.
Not anything against Gerrodmeyo other than he clearly wasn't ready
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for the job last year. But they are putting so
much value in Mike Rabel as the head coach that
people are talking about the New England Patriots as if
they might be a playoff team in twenty twenty five,
as if they don't have one of the worst rosters
that you've ever seen in professional football, as if they
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don't have significant questions, significant questions around their second year
quarterback who looked like he might have something. But there
have been plenty of quarterbacks to show flashes in their
rookie year that don't pan out if they don't have
requisite skill position players as the New England Patriots do not,
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and a good offensive line to support them, as the
New England Patriots do not. The amount of Mike vrabel
lore that is gassing up the Patriots and they're over
for people who are betting them is inexplicable to me,
because I've covered Mike Frable, as I mentioned, six years
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with the Tennessee Titans, fired after a six win season,
a season that they had no business winning those six
games that they did, but an unceremonious finish to his
career after being the Coach of the Year in twenty
twenty one, taking a godfirst in franchise in Tennessee to
the AFC Championship, playing the Chiefs kind of down to
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the wire until Patrick Mahomes does the Patrick Mahomes thing
that he does, which is just outruns a shoe string
tackle en route to the end zone before the half
to score another touchdown and break you over his knee
and run away with it. As the Chiefs, at least
in that time period, were wont to do. I know
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they look a little bit mortal of light. People are
down on the Chiefs, but still and Mike vrabel inherited
a roster at that point, Fitzie that was ready to
go at the time, that had Marcus Mariota as the quarterback,
but had Ryan Tannehill's the failsafe, had Derrick Henry in
his prime, had an offensive line that was ready to rock,
had a defense that was excellent, had Aj Brown at
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the time. I'm sure the Titans wish they could have
that back, but Mike Vrabel inherited a playoff team. Mike
Vrabel has never had to do, at least in the pros,
what he is currently being tasked to do with the
New England Patriots, which is build this thing from the
ground up. And it doesn't mean that he's incapable of it.
But in twenty twenty five, the amount of Patriots hype
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just simply because of who the coach is, I think
it's way way overdone.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm I'm lost because look, Mike Frabel, like this is
again that area where two things can be true. Mike
Frabel did a really nice job in Tennessee at times
with some pretty good football teams, you know, but he
also had the benefit of Derrick Henry. And I'm not
saying that to Negate what Mike Vrabel has done, but
it's just one of those moments where and this is
where Patriots fans have come in and say, no worries,
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that's why they drafted Henderson. He's gonna be the Derrick Henry. Okay,
things aren't necessarily that simple. There is this concept and
I don't know where it came from, honestly, Buck that
like Mike Rabel took chicken, you know, what and made
the best chicken salad we've ever seen in a Michelin
Star restaurant with just the worst ever of everything. And
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I think that's a little oversimplified. I think it takes
a little of the blame off of Rabel's plate, and
I think it takes somebody that is, frankly, for whatever reason,
football likable. Like there's a part of Rabel that is
football dude likable that people enjoy being around, and so
all of a sudden, we just look at that dude
and we're like, oh, I know who that is. All
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I know is that the narrative is the Titans suck
and Titan's ownership. I don't even know who they are.
Like your casual fan only knows the Titans for Mike Rabel.
So they see him out of there and they think, Okay,
this is going to be brilliant. And I think, okay, man,
if the expectation I live in New England Patriots Country,
the expectation here is Brady Belichick for everything, and that
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is a lofty Like if you think Mike Rabel is
going to be Bill Belichick, then you think he with
New England is going to be one of the three
or four best football coaches of all time. If all
he is is pretty good. On this Patriots team, They're
an eight win team this year, and people are gonna
lose their minds because they're talking about them like they're
a twelve win team.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Listen, I think the Titans made a mistake when they
fired Mike, and even though there were some circumstances that
caused Mike Rabel to get himself in part in part
fired like I think they aired in making the decision
that they did, and the results have played themselves out
for a season in which they were the worst team
in football and that Mike Rabel was holding them together
with glue and toothpicks at the end, and they still won.
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They only won six games, but that was probably, like
I said, more games than they deserve to win at
the time. He also, here's the thing, Fitzie, He's got
full control there. That's his organization. I know Bob Kraft
owns the Patriots, but Mike Frable is now not just
the head coach. He is in concert with I'm gonna
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say Ryan Cowden. Even though Elliott Wolf is technically their GM,
Elliott Wolf does not matter in the grand scheme. Of
that organization. And I know that just because I know
the kind of organization that Mike Rabel imported from Tennessee
up to New England. Ryan Cowden is the name that
most people probably don't know, but he is going to
have a huge level of influence in what they do,
and he and Rabel are going to work in concert together.
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There were a lot of bad personnel decisions made in
Tennessee at the end. A lot of bad personnel decisions
made in Tennessee at the end. And I don't think
that John Robinson, who was the GM at the time
who got fired, was not was the only reason. He
was the bulk of the reason, but not the only
reason why they cratered from a roster standpoint that saw
that level of competitiveness fall off a cliff. So there
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are ben head coaches who have personnel control or as
much say in personnel control as this one does, who
have succeeded. Kyle Shanahan is one of them. Kyle Shanahan
is also an offensive minded head coach who is considered
a wonder who is a wonder kind. I don't know
how much of a kind he is at this point.
He's looking a little more gray, a little more long
in the tooth than I remember last time I saw
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Cayle Shanahan, but still an offensive minded head coach. There
are very few of these guys on the defensive side
of the ball who have the kind of success that
Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan, who do have roster control
at their respective places, are able to come away with
because they are one of a kind. I mean, maybe
two of a kind, but you understand my point. Mike
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is not going to be able to make up for
any offensive deficiencies that they have. In fact, Josh McDaniels
is a fascinating figure here because we haven't seen Josh
McDaniels do it without Tom Brady either, those same principles
about doing without Tom Brady for Bill Belichick. Josh McDaniels
is one of those people I know. You know this
as the as a Raiders fan who had to deal
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with him as a head coach that had seen in
the locker room, couldn't wait to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I have to tell you what two people that played
in Josh McDaniel's offense, not for the Raiders, but when
he was just an offensive coordinator told me about that
offense and why I think that it's important for Drake.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
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Speaker 2 (25:06):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitz Ra hanging in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and we
were just talking about the Patriots and how wildly overhyped
I believe they are this year, and I want to
go back to Josh McDaniel's offense. In fact, Mac Jones
is somebody I spent some time with last year last
summer during a high school football moment, and he talked
about how some coaches get you and you get some coaches,
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and that was really particularly important for him. He and
Josh McDaniels obviously clicked. I want to take nothing away
from that because this is where Patriots fans and some
people inside the organization will even say, hey, Mac Jones
went to a Pro Bowl with Josh McDaniels as his
head coach and they're not wrong, like that's fine, that happened.
That being said, I know two different players that played
for a brief stint with the New England Patriots different
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times in their career, that both played in the NFL
for a substantial amount of time, and they both told
me the same thing without each other in the room,
just in conversations about Josh McDaniels. This was back when
I was asking about Josh because he was hired as
the head coach of my favorite football team. And I'll
never forget. One guy that played over ten years in
the league said, I have seen every offense you could
ever imagine, and I got into that offense and it
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was like a foreign language. I've never had that many reads,
I've never had that much communication, I've never had that
many variables, and it just over and over again. I
got specific examples. I talked to another player who also
played in the league for quite a while and he
said the exact same thing. He said, Man, you think
you know what an offense is, and there's terminology and
(26:30):
things that you can take from every offense you've been
in until you're in a Josh McDaniel's offense and it
is all new from scratch, and we've seen that, we
have seen how difficult that offense is for some people.
So now we have Drake May. And again I'll go
back to someone I know that knows the North Carolina
coaching staff well, that said that the coaching, the offensive
coaching around North Carolina was predicated on the concept of
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find green grass. So every route had a green grass
combo on it. You find green grass, you throw to
green grass. That's not uncommon in some really basic offenses.
But I say that to say, we have no idea
from day one of Drake May in the NFL, we
had no idea of how he's going to just absorb
a certain style of offense. If anyone watched Quarterback, one
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thing that Jared Goff stressed during Quarterback is you and
your offensive play caller have to be calling the same
language all the time. Remember there was an episode in
that show where he was saying in the huddle, Micdup,
call scuttle but I want scuttle butt, and then the
call came in and it was scuttle butt. And Golf
afterwards was talking about the fact that you just have
to be on the same page. Well, that's hard to
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do when Josh McDaniels is speaking the language he's spoken
for the majority of his adult life and somebody else
is just learning it. That to me screams learning curve.
There will be some really good moments for Drake May
and there will be some really weird moments. What we'll say,
what in the hell was he thinking? Because we don't
know whether he or the wide receiver was wrong. But
the amount of communication it takes me in you mentioned
(27:55):
it earlier, Rapes is not coming in as an offensive,
brilliant head coach that's going to really run things. He's
not Sean McVeigh, right, So he's gonna come in and
he's gonna trust Josh McDaniels to the offense. To me,
that screams adjustment period. And if you're all in on
the Patriots making the playoffs this year, I don't see
how you bring all these new faces in, all this
adjustment in culture, all of the things that you're asking for,
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Brabel and an adjustment in the offensive language.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think they're gonna be a better football team, but
they were, you know, they were a Joe Milton shouldn't
have won the game against the Bills, win away from
being the worst football team and being able to have
the number one overall pick and all these different things, right,
they kind of bang themselves at the end of the year,
and Joe Milton ends up as a Dallas cowboy as
a result, and probably overhype there. It's just so many
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different connections to the state of Tennessee in which I work,
and I know you live for quite some time, FITZI
here in all the different national topics that we've touched
on today. But I do think that they're going to
be a better football team. I think that Mike will
get them moving in the direct in the right direction.
I think he commands a room. It's very difficult to do.
That job is so much more than just the x'es
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and o's, right, There are plenty of failed or plenty
of excellent coordinators who have been failed head coaches, because again,
it is not just an exus and o's job. But
if the x'es and o's people that you've hired have,
you know, difficulty adjusting to the talent that you have,
then that will create a situation that will become very apparent,
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very quickly, and that if Josh McDaniels is so married
to assist him, and I think that generation or that
kind of coaches being phased out at this point. You
have to be malleable if you're going to work in
the NFL, if you're going to have sustained success in
the NFL, and maybe maybe maybe maybe Josh McDaniels for
the fifth time around, in some form or fashion, has
(29:50):
learned whatever lesson he needs to learn about how to
be more flexible as a coach. But I'm gonna go
ahead and bet against that given precedent, betting against the
New England Patriots being improved. I'm betting against the idea
that they are going to be so improved up to
as you mentioned, the Brady Belichick standard. Nobody's ever gonna
achieve that standard. I mean, it's it's feasible to think
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that that at standard has never achieved again in modern
football history because there's only one of those guys. It's
a huge experiment right now in New England for a
fan base that is one tired of losing after having
been spoiled for so so long, and has unrealistic expectations
relative to the rest of the football consuming public. And
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you know, I enjoy I rather miss you know, Mike
Vrabel taking one of our heads off at a press
conference when you ask him a question and you're not
paying attention the way that I saw him due to
Ben Bolan on the first day of training camp, and
in fact I texted him, I said, you couldn't make
it one day, one day without taking somebody's head off
that way. And it was pretty harmless on that scale.
But that stuff that he does at press conference that
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I'm smarter than you. It's not my job to teach
you football. That becomes a lot less cute and a
lot less fun when you are the coach of a
six or eight win football team, because you've got problems
between your offensive coordinator and his ability to teach or
work with at a reasonable level the talent that you've
put into place, and that's the kind of thing that
you could foresee them being up against. I don't want
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to make problems where they're not problems yet it all
could go to plan. I have no idea, but these
are just based on the experience of what it is
to cover Mike Vrabel coach teams and the fact that
he's got more power in that organization than anybody saved
the owner at this point in time. These are things
that are going to be worth monitoring if you're a
Patriots fan.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, and I just keep going back to I've lived
in the New England area since twenty eighteen at this point,
and one thing that stunned me when I came up
here is that, you know, it's this is the opposite
of Nashville, where I live for twenty five years of
my life. It is wildly opposite Nashville. You can't you
can't walk into a sports bar on a Saturday because
everybody's watching college football up here. Well, you could walk
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in and take five tables to yourself. They don't even
have college football on TV. But one thing about Sunday
is for sure, the Patriots were on every TV until
they weren't. And now all of a sudden, you walk
into a sports bar up here, the Giants and the
Jets are on the TVs. Why Because Patriots fans are
just done. And it's amazing to me to see that
they've quickly learned how the rest of the league lives.
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That everybody's convinced Frabe's gonna come in and be a lifesaver.
What you said at the beginning is true. I think
the Patriots is going to be better. The problem is,
I think people expect that the Patriots are going to
be the Patriots of old, and there's been absolutely no
proof in my mind that we're one step away from that.
We are one step away from the single greatest game
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Speaker 2 (33:02):
He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's Bucket Vince on
Fox Sports Radio, hanging out with you. If you're just
tuning in, fear not, We're back with you tomorrow morning,
six am Eastern. Are you gonna Uber Eats Stripper Wings
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Speaker 3 (33:20):
No, I will just be returning home from Magic City,
where I will then bring strip Club Wings with me.
It's one of my favorite pac Man Jones I don't
I don't know if this was ever out there, but
I remember talking to a long time NFL executive. We'll
say about you know, Pack pac Man Jones, who ended
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up having a long career and going on to have
you know, on field success, and I last I checked,
Pack had turned it into a bit of a media career.
He's doing his own podcast and things like that. Good
on him. But one of my favorite pac Man Jones
lines was, well, if I don't at where else am
(34:01):
I supposed to get food at two am? If not
from a strip club as a means of just like, yeah,
I'm just there for the food, you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I respect that. That's why Buck and I are going
to be in person in Vegas somehow some way for
the Raiders Titans game and thoughts and prayers for both
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Speaker 3 (34:55):
Rather? Did? We get it?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's easy, guys, don't think too hard.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I'm not a moron.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Would you rather buckets or fix it? All right? It
is simple. The concept is would you rather bucket or
fits it? That is really difficult to say in a
way that won't get us fired. Producer Ryan, come on in,
give us a would you rather, and we'll figure out what. Yes.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Nice, Yes, I won't even try.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
I won't even try to say this, Howard?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Would would you rather have to do postgame interviews only
while running on a treadmill? Or only while taking an
ice bath? No?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Running on a treadmill? All right? Have you? Have you
done much postgame, postgame interview, press conference, locker room type
of stuff? Fits?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And you're like a little bit, a little bit okay?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I do it every weekend, and I'm getting ready to
do it again tomorrow night because I got a preseason
game to cover. You are sprinting from the press box
down to whatever bowels of the stadium wherever you're opposing.
Obviously on the at home, you know where the interview
interview room is, you know where the locker room is.
But like every opposing stadium you're in, you're running all
over your life. The Chicago Bears Soldier Field is in
(36:04):
a great spot logistically as far as where it's where
it is on the Chicago or in downtown Chicago. But
whoever designed that stadium can sit on the fat end
of a baseball bat and spin as far as I'm concerned,
because they make it damn near impossible to find anything
underneath that stadium. I constantly sound like I'm out of
breath while doing postgame interview settings. The ice bath thing
(36:27):
sounds like an unrelenting hell, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I would choose the ice bath because most of the
postgame settings I've been in have been like the Final Four,
the National Championship Game, things like that, where there are
so many people you can't really stand out. If I'm
in an ice Bath. Everybody's gonna make room for me
number one and number two. Whoever's at the podium is
going to look over and actually acknowledge me. So, even
though the question will be very difficult to ask, I
(36:51):
go Ice Bath.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Unbelievable. I'm doing Titans Falcons preseason games, which is like
I only cover national championships. Who's the alitis now?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I am on this novel. By the way, that wasn't accidental.
I was just making sure that you know. That's like
a dog lifting the leg. I was just peeing all
over my territory. Ryan, What do you got for us next? Oh? Boy?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Uh? So, would you rather be the fastest player in
the world but trip every time you celebrate? Or the
slowest player in the world but never miss a trash
talk opportunity?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, the slowest player in the world, never missed a
trash talk opportunity without a doubt, Like, what's the point
of being fast if you can't celebrate? And if you
trip every time you celebrate, You're just gonna become a meme.
I don't want that. I will mosey like the tortoise
versus the hair. Hair can get there first. I'm gonna
have a better time doing it.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Buck. Oh yeah, no, I'm with you. We are aligned
in this way. I just want to be able to
my game. May not necessarily be able to back up
my smack talk, but that's not gonna tap me to
talk stop me from smack talking anyway. Hell, I can't
even talk properly.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean I've been I've been kicked out of more
church basketball leagues and you can shake a stick out
for my mouth. So yeah, I'm all in for that.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You know, it turns out there are certain things that
will get kicked out of Churchley games. Okay, what do
you got for usnex? You know what all I said
was Jimmy Christmas. I didn't even say the real thing.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
But does it start to sizzle? Well?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, it is a wonder that they let me, that's
for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Last one here.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Would you rather have a personal hype man who follows
you everywhere? Or a laugh track that plays every time
you make a joke funny or not?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Oh, personal hype man? I Well that's interesting because I
already am my own my own personal hype man, deserved
or otherwise. But I probably still like the affirmation. Nothing
beats affirmation.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
A hype man is good though, Like I do like
the idea of walking in the room and having like
and when I walk in the room and like somebody
doing the entire thing, I think that would I'm trying
to think of what would what would piss you off more?
And I think a laugh track actually would, because I
would just intentionally say really bad jokes constantly just to
(38:58):
get because you know, once I'm imagine it's a good
laugh track, then the whole room's gonna laugh at it.
And that's only gonna make you angry that you're not
laughing at it. And everybody else's Cavino' rich next. They're
always good looking and hysterical. We'll be back with you
on two pros and a cup of Joe in the morning.
Thanks for hanging out with Bucking Fits.
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