August 16, 2025 • 45 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the news out of Michigan where the NCAA handed down their penalties to their football program for the sign stealing controversy.
Dan and Doug discuss the Taylor Swift's appearance on the Kelce brothers podcast and what may have distracted Travis last season as his Chiefs were chasing history.
Doug weighs in on the latest news with Browns' quarterback Shedeur Sanders as it is announced that he missed most of Wednesday's practice with an oblique injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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let's get to the story of the day Michigan was
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levied fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if
this comes to be. And the reason I say that
is I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which
Division I program. We are under NCAA rules and regulations,
just like anybody else. And what I have come to
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learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio
show host and a TV yaker, And now I know
is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA
and the NCAA is not some Darconian organization made it
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out to be.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's just the conglomerate of schools.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And you know, it's like being mad at Congress when
there's actually you know, every state has the right to
vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents,
and you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah,
well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives.
These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But there is the Board of Infractions. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The general thought from most people is no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
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program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof. Right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
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to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the science dealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey,
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I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls,
get them for me.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Give me the calls. And when you're running a program
as big as.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Michigan, in my program, you know my email right now,
I have to it's I have to do every I'm
a CEO. I have to worry about every little different
department and oh yeah, by the way, much like Doge,
what can we cut, what can we keep? How little
can we spend to get the most out of it
because we have to compensate the student athlete now. But
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I'm going to commend the NCAA. Look, do I think
this was a dog and pony show?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I do? Do I think this was that? This was?
Do I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm
not sure. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I do know that every college program, basketball or football,
tries to figure out what the signs are for the
other for the other team. And that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You're not allowed, unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person, so you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head. You try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video and eve, if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
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assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench and
when you say, hey, that's earpool, it's earpool.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Write that down, Earpool, what is it? Hey?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Then you go in at halftime and you make sure
that you have it listed. So if they pull out
their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing.
And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches
that have coached against them, because they keep a running
tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with
what they're doing on the floor.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing the behavior
of Michigan. I'm just telling you that everybody, in some
form or fashion does. It feels like they overdid it
and they got caught and then they won. But once
they started winning, they probably they didn't have this brogram
in place, and they were in people's heads and oh yeah,
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By the way, if you didn't no signs stealing took place,
why do you have three different people putting the signs out?
Because two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking,
so let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody
in the stands or some video camera trying to get it.
That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game,
they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we
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just film the sideline and then what it coincides with
on the field. The big question for Belichick was were
they filming practice? That, of course is a no no.
And most coaches are incredibly paranoid if they say a
video camera running when they're in an empty gym or
an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out. They'll have somebody
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go put a towel over it or whatever they do.
I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I
did you know this? Right before the game, you'll be
running through plays. What do you do with the players
who aren't involved? You line them up so the other
coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right,
And every high school football coach, college football coach has
been paranoid for years at practice, at covering up what
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you're doing. You know, high school coaches, especially making sure
there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan
for the next day. So let's not act like we're
surprised that this happens or that Michigan's the only one
doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher
level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Here's the punishment.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars
fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program,
an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition
revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty
six football seasons, a fine equivalent to the cost of
ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs and
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the twenty five to twenty six academic year, a twenty
five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to
twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the
football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's
eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a
ten year show cause. Denard Robinson, wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't
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his Nate Dame when he played our shoe strings when
he played there as quarterback? Three year show cause, restricted
from all athletically related activities. That's actually a big one.
That means he can't really coach in college football. Whereas
a show cause means you have to show cause for
hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't
get the job. You have to just go through an
infractions committee and say you're sorry and say you've improved.
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It's much like the probation department, you know, when you're
trying to remember the start of Shawshank Redemption, where you
have to say that you're a changed man type deal.
And then Sharon Moore got a two year show cause,
but he's still the head coach, so that doesn't matter.
And he suspended a total of three games. Michigan imposed
a two game suspension for this year. The panel says
he's got to be suspended one additional game.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you want to know why?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's an awesome punishment because it hits him in the wallet.
They're not taking down a banner that we know they earned.
And that you can't do you guys, remember men in Black, right,
remember the little silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy
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Lee Jones would hold up and press it, and everybody's
a memory would be a race. Your short term memories
is zapped. Don't you wish that occurred in life? Would
that'd be so cool?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You're like in an argument with your girlfriend and your
wife and you're just like two, Like what were we
even argue about? I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know?
O gay.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no
neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty
thirteen NCAA championship is a race from our memory banks, right.
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked,
pained and siva. It didn't get called as a clean block.
It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's
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Louisville Cardinal, Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
a university? And the answer is you take their money? Right,
and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot of money.
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Ten percent of the budget of the football program at
the University of Michigan. Okay, were calculating coaches salaries in
the budget?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
We calculate recruiting budget, yep. Are we calculating rev sharing
that budget? I don't know that it's going to be
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money. I just ten
percent of scholarships a ward of Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
Nine ten percent is eight grand? Eight grand times?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
What do you have? One hundred and five?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And in college football you do the math, that's a
lot of money. That's just the eight hundred or so
grand plus you got to take what you were going
to get and you're like, well, what if they didn't
make the postseason?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What they're talking about is everyone, everyone in your league
gets a portion of the postseason revenue. You get I
believe two shares if you play, and then if you win,
you get additional shares of it. So that's a lot
of money. Now they didn't and I apparently can't take
the TV revenue. They can't take the in stadium revenue.
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Right where you're making probably I don't know Michigan one
hundred thousand people. I can only estimate between one hundred
and one hundred and fifty million dollars per year from
in stadium revenue, So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong,
but taking away the money is the only way to
truly truly punish college sports programs because it is all
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about the money. Now, you want to know it hurts
the most. I would not want to be the coach
of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, swimming, diving, right. I feel
terrible for Michigan hockey women's basketball because Dusty May, they
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raised a bunch of money, they got a squad. I
know they wanted to play us who don't want to
play us, And we're like, I don't really want to
get forty piece by Michigan. No, thanks, not into that.
They got a squad. I don't know what their budget is,
probably ten million dollars, right, maybe maybe more fifteen I
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don't know. They have a top ten program. They're awesome, right,
and they already have the contracts for their roster of
football players, right. Those those contracts are done, they have
to pay those players, and I'm guessing it's somewhere in
the twenty twenty five million dollar range overall with salaries. Right,
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because Ohio State was they won the national championship. Everybody
said they were kind of top of the top of
the heap in the low twenties twenty million, So you
got to calculate one, every Michigan's going to try and
get to that level, and then two there's some sort
of inflation.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can we say twenty five million?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know, somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety. They have to be. You have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So what I love is that they hit him where
it hurts.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that.
I don't know all the facts in the case, and
I don't have the time to kind of delineate how
big a deal this actually is. I do think that
this is kind of classic NCAA and and it's like
anything else, like, you know, supposedly this is Ohio State
fans finding this out, turning them in. We saw what
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likely Texas fans did to John Mattier this week.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's like you.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, cause what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
on and trying find Ohio State guys. And you know
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth.
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But whatever, Okay, they did a lengthy investigation. This is
what they found out.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And for years it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Was scholarship productions, right and taking down banners. Well, you
can't take away scholarships now, because if you take away
a player's scholarship, you say hey, instead of I think
it's one hundred and five, I'm sorry, we don't have
a football program. I don't care about those numbers that
used to be eighty five. And what they've done is
they've done instead of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's
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roster limitations. And again we were told that the reason
they did roster limitations, says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit
proof that this is what This is how sports can
survive lawsuits. Where you're not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting
roster spots.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's all you can have. You can do.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Every spot can be a scholarship, or half of them
can be scholarships, or none of them can be spot.
You can do whatever you want within your own domain.
If you opted in, and Michigan of course opted in.
I'm Doug gotlibin for Colin. This is the hurd Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What you need to know is
what you need to know is Michigan got hit what
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it hurts right, got hit where it hurts in the wallet,
in the wallet. And if you ask any Michigan coach
or administrator, okay, for years they felt like, despite the
fact were Michigan uh that the hardest part for them
was raising the money and getting up to the level
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of Ohio State because Ohio State has never cared about
anything other than how can we put the best team
on the field. Michigan liked to have the academic repute.
Ohio State just want to win championships. Ohio State's run
fast and loose with rules for a lifetime, especially in
the football side. Okay, I'm guessing probably Michigan did too,
only they like Notre Dame, like to feel like they're
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academically above it. They finally got to the level of
full investment from the university on the football program, and
now they're losing what ten percent of their budget and
all of their post what would have been post season revenue.
And my guess is what that hurts most is all
the Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about.
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Olympic sports are picked, the one you don't soccer, hockey,
track and field, lacrosse, any of those ones. Their budgets chopped.
And what you do is then you move it over
cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't, we cut the budget.
There's always ways, always ways. What do I know, I
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just worked for an Ncian institution.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports radio.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, Taylor strip was on with the Kelsey's On podcast,
so there's a lot to it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Dan, I thought you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Brought up a bunch of interesting points, but maybe the
most interesting was who does this serve?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Like, who does it serves? What is the point? Why
is she doing this? And what do you think that
the answer is?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I was.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I watched the almost entirety of the two minute the
two hour episode. I towards the end, I just kind
of fast forward a little bit, but it was on
for two hours last night, and even at the end
of that, Doug I wondered, all right, did Taylor do
this to bring her fans into the football world? Was
it to get football fans to appreciate Taylor Swift? Where?
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What was the reason behind this? Ultimately, I think it
shook down to as we talked it out. I think
it was probably a safe space for Taylor to say
what she wanted to say and to reveal her album
and to do it in a neat way with the
person that she loves. So ultimately, maybe it was just
to serve themselves, but record numbers watching it and millions
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of people when it went live yesterday afternoon, or I
think evening in some parts of the country. But I
had wondered of what was the reason for it even
after watching the two hours, and ultimately I think it
was just good for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it
was it gives America a look at serve America's couple,
right and Jaycedu it took him probably six to nine
months to go to come up off of the it's
a fake relationship argument. And to anybody who thought it was,
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then you watch you watch yesterday, you can watch now
online and be like, not, okay, that works. You know
that there that's a real thing. I do think that
oftentimes we think there's a strategy involved. It's a lot
like here's the parallel I'm gonna drive. I have a
really good friend who work with the president in his
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first term, and his thing was anybody who thinks that
when he comes out with some new plan, that there's
that they've they've workshopped it or whatever, that there's a
whole plan in place, Like, that's not how he operates.
It's just not, oh, it's this master plan with the economy,
Like no, not really just has an idea. Somebody proposes
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an idea, thinks it's a good idea, gets committed to it,
goes and does it, even if it may contradict an
idea he had a couple weeks ago. And I think
that's what's at play here with the Kelseys is she
probably always wanted to do it right, and everybody's always
why don't you ever do the podcast? Why don't you
ever do a podcast? Like we only see you guys
taking pictures in a club or a concert or a
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football game like podcast, it's just a conversation. It's super
like you've talked people into being a podcast, like I
don't know, and then you get the dates arrive, Hey,
let's do it now for the season. Lets get out
of the way and we'll just talk and we'll, you know,
talk music, talk some football, let people know who we.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Are, and that's it. Is there a benefit to the
Kelsey's Yes. Is there a benefit to her? Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But I I and I could be wrong. And maybe
it's because I believe in the good and people first
and foremost that I don't think everybody has some master
plan on how to manipulate likes and how to manipulate
downloads and what it means for your music career. Like
she's a billionaire, she's the most popular female artist in
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the country, period stop. He is a multi time super
Bowl champion, a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Like, they
don't need much more, they don't need even attention, but
it's just their way of Like people probably don't think
she likes her as into football. You watch that, you
listen to that, and you understand that she's doing what
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every great partner should do, which is she's fallen in
love with what her partner does.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What it comes down to that I.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Became like a person who was running through the halls
of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier, You're worthy?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And my friends are like, what is who?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Body snatched you?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
This? Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We drafted worthy?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
You're worthy?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I forget where it was. You were the first person
to tell me that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I couldn't believe it. I was freaking out.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
We're talking about like, I'm like, wait, does she she write?
I had to look this up? I'm like, she does
she get the wrong information here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We trade it up?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, you know I will.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm gonna just top in one thing. This is where
you're like a real person. I like when you when
you superstars are real people. She said, it's Xavier, but
she says Exavier, it's like a personal pet Beeve. But
forever reason it's charming because it makes her seem like
a real person that she has there are things about
her that aren't.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Perfect and that she's learning. Yeah, you know, like, so
it's a mistake, that's okay, not a big deal. And yes,
I thought that was. I thought it was. I thought
it was great as well. And it wasn't a pick
that was or a news item that was so obvious.
There was a little bit of of nuance in it,
or a little bit of inside that you'd have to
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be a Chiefs fan to really get excited about.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
We're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man cover,
We're talking we're learning, I continue to learn.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now,
but give me sixteen months.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, that's that's he's been on his iPad and they've
been sitting there at home and he's watching and she
wants to know. I think it's awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Something something tells me that he has been doing the
same thing, like I reached Taylor Swift and Kelsey fatigue
way early into this, and I've almost come around. I
was very interested to watch last night. I'm very I
was very impressed or startled surprised by how genuine they are.
They're like two giddy teenagers. I love Love. I like
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watching Love. But I also think that he reciprocates that
because he's had us fooled this whole time into thinking
that he loves her music. I thought he was just
saying it to be a good boyfriend. But I think
he also likes her music, which goes a long way
with me because I don't like her music at all.
It does nothing for me. It's not for me. It's
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for teenage girls. But he seems to just as she
has dived into the football. I think he's actually embracing
her music too, which is a surprise to me.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Stan Patrick Schelle here on Fox Sports Training, I heard ready,
w app go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I do think her music is for everyone, not just
for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not like it.
I will say that I thought Travis Travis felt like
the third wheel at times because I think he's used
to him, him and his brother going back and forth,
but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity, that he was
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gonna let her shine and would sprinkle in things. But
it wasn't a back and forth. It was a back
and forth between really Jason and Taylor. And I thought
Jason did a really good job. And I know that
there's some editing that's done, but it's not it's not
sneaky editing at all. You know where the cuts are,
you know where the place is where they've stopped and
started again. But Jason asked this question to her, which
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I thought was great, and I give them credit. Jason
just asked, how did it work when you were trying
to get your masters back? Like can you tell me
the difference between what you know our publishing rights and
what aren't? And she laid it out for him, and
it was like a real music interview, and she explained
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of like what she could do and what she couldn't do,
and why it was important for her to get those
master recordings, and why it may not be for every
single artist. And I actually thought that that part of it,
aside from them promoting and talking about their relationship, was
actually an informative part of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand, to have
people understand a business that they never understood before.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about
masters and about selling them and about holding on to them,
and so when I heard that, I was intrigued. But
I did know a lot of it. Again, I just
thought I thought it was a win. But it wasn't
set out. They didn't set out to win, right, They
didn't set out to win. They just set out that
I want to do a podcast, Let's do it. That's
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how it felt. It felt very natural.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
There is something that I do think is I don't
contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on
the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason
at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we
told you where we were going to be back August
twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to
do this August thirteenth. Obviously that dropping helps Taylor, maybe
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helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article
talked about how his play over the last couple of
years slipped, and he says that he let his media
responsibilities doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,
he let those things get in the way of his play.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yesterday, Doug, after your show, I was in with Carrie
Rhodes on Cavito and Ridge, and Carrie was an all
pro and spent eight years in the league, says I
just think he's lost a step. I don't think he
has it anymore like he once did. And I think
this is all cover up and hearing what Carry said,
and I didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast
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that aired last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling
the world and said that in Taylor brought up the
point that Travis had talked about going to different countries,
and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello, I am going on
a tour. We can go to all of those countries.
And so that's what they did. In the summer of
twenty twenty four. Travis was with her in Europe during
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those spots or going to different places. That wasn't mentioned
in the GQ article of the focusing on football, and
by the way, it would be okay, Travis Kelsey's accomplished
enough in his NFL career. He doesn't need to play
another down. He's going into the Hall of Fame. But
it was interesting to me to hear him say that
his TV stuff took him away, But the relationship stuff
(27:07):
with Taylor and being in Europe and doing these different
things were not a reason on why maybe his play
slipped last year, which you disagree with. I just don't
know how it helps, you know, Like I was when
he went to Argentina two years ago. Yes, during the
bye week, I just thought that's crazy. The big joke
is the NFL is not like we'll just go to
(27:29):
South America once a year. We'll go there too, So
maybe it looks a little bit normal, But I didn't
think that that was the great move for Travis and
preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go on and win
the Super Bowl, so it didn't have an effect. But again,
none of this has an effect, and it's okay if
it did. He's at the end of his career, but
it's never brought up as maybe a reason on why
(27:51):
not the relationship, but just the stuff that comes with
the relationship. You're in a different phase of your life,
a different part of your life. But he's pointed out
single about the TV shows, but nothing in terms of
the travel that he may have done with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I would I would say this that.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Inevitably, inevitably, there will be some form of negativity towards it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right, There always is, And.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Here's how I would take that negativity right, because it's
it's not good. I don't think it's going to be
anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the bots
or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay, but remember,
in order to watch this or listen to this, you
have to seek it out, right, you have to seek
(28:41):
it out. So you can say I don't care about them. Okay,
well then don't listen and don't watch.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's fine. It'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So if you say, hey, I watched I listen to one,
I think it'd be really hard to come away and
think it's not a real relationship.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's pretty much impossible.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And two, they both seem really likable because Travis does
suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.
He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind
of cool to have a eorl set of attention, like
that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can
just gotta be the arm candy. And then three like again,
the most important thing when somebody says, like, dude, I
(29:17):
listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,
downloaded it, listen to it. And then you're like, yeah,
I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you
want the attention that you think they're trying to get.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Here's where I don't think it's going to uh backfire
on him or in any way or it's going to matter.
Is if he plays well this year, then he's right,
and all the work that he's done with a speed
and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it
was the TV shows. Travis identified the problem and addressed it.
And if it doesn't work, and if he has another
(29:51):
down season, he's just old and his better days are
behind him. I don't think that this is going to
come up. And again, I don't think it mattered. I
don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny
because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say
it was the TV shows and my attention to that
as opposed to being away for a month and traveling
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throughout Europe.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,
and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't
like a sports mag per se or a sports article
or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think
that only a guy who's had his career already could
say I was distracted last season as my team was
(30:35):
trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you
talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I
think a Chief Sam would have an actual grievance to
be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted
as we were trying to set history last year. What's
going on here? And I think Kerry Rhadse is probably right.
I think that's his way of not admitting that he's
lost a step. But I think it takes balls, and
(30:57):
it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I
was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,
have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.
Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I
think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't
you think.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Doug, I do again. I didn't hear the entire podcast.
So were the TV shows he's talking about last year
or he's talking about in previous years because he did
the big reality show he did was like, yes, ten
years ago meant more than that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I was about of ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I was the CBS at the time, and where he
dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's
what he was referring to, not to last year.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff
in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New
Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it
was pointed out the FX Show and the show that
he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because
I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and
maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those
were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey,
I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which
was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
And this is a different Amazon it was. This was
a different This was like a game show that he
hosted that he ended up being the host. But the
dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't
alluding to that? That was a decade or.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Are you smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
And I wanted to say this dating show is he
didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it
the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,
so when was the when was the game show?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Was Chasing Kelsey?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I think that the game show was last the Last
off Season twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Okay, so last fifty women from fifty states vibe for
the heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, so nine years ago I was I was close.
I was close in my ears.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I remember I interviewed him like he was you talk
about you talk about a guy who you had I
had no idea would reach superstar status nine years ago.
Think about how his life changed when Pat Mahomes became
his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We were at the super Bowl maybe it was Los Angeles,
I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are
prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I
hear Hey, Doug, Doug, somebody trying to get Doug's attention.
Who's being walked by a publicist the other way? And
I look over. It's Travis Kelsey trying to get Doug
Gottlieb's attention as.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He because he used to come out all the time
and we talked basketball because he played basketball Cincinnati and
we have some like mutual mutual friends. And you know,
I likeain to go from that, like I have his number,
I've never haven't text him in years. I have no
idea if he has the same number, if he'd even
know who you know, new phone, who dish? But yeah,
I mean media like ridiculous, ridiculous went from yeah, I
(33:44):
know yea to these in the names you know in
the NFL non quarterbacks, he's top five in any conversation correct, yes,
and then after this podcast and after you know now
obviously a long standing relationship with Taylor Swift the most
(34:04):
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you're too kind, You're you're too kind, Not really, you're
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just very kind. Okay, what's the story of the day.
I guess, I don't think, I guess I know what
the story of the day is. The story of the
day is Shadoor Sanders. And the fact that Shador Sanders
is the story of the day is a really good
way to start because it's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Part of the reason that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I obviously he wasn't drafted by some It's if you
draft a guy and you expect him to be a backup,
then he cannot get more attention than the starter. Now,
it doesn't mean that he won't be eventually be the starter.
When you're young, you want to develop et cetera, et cetera.
But Shad Door Sanders did not practice today. It's unclear
for the game versus the Eagles if he'll play Saturday.
(35:44):
Here's the good news. He puts some good stuff on tape.
He's in a quarterback competition, and he puts some good
stuff on tape. The bad news is that, you know,
the number one part of ability is availability, and it's
you know, you could sit here and go, well, it's
not fair he got hurt, but and I know the
(36:05):
injury is legitimate. Like if you play that, you play well,
you want to get back out there to keep kind
of climbing the chart. But now you're still four in
the depth chart. Other guys get an opportunity. Now you
would think the team on the other side will be
better as we go, but your team will also be better,
and so the better players or the guys higher in
(36:28):
the depth chart are going to play with better talent.
So yeah, the pressure does go on Trubisky and the
other quarterbacks. I don't think Flacco has to do anything
to it'll be his job. But to make the team,
(36:49):
your best ability is availability. That's a very cheesy, overused,
completely accurate NFL line.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Sorry, I said Trubisky.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I meant Kenny Pickett, right, So you got Pickett, wo
of course started in Pittsburgh, has a lot of experience.
Then he got Dylan Gabriel, who they did draft ahead.
And again I've never said I'm a Dylan Gabriel fan.
But if you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round
and then you draft to Shador Sanders in the fifth round,
(37:24):
I think Shador Sanders to me, and I think most people,
feels like a better kind of true quarterback, like he
has more potential and upside. Dylan Gabriel is small and
doesn't have a great arm and kind of you know,
moves round back there, but not a great athlete. Chador's
also doesn't have like a plus plus R but not
a super minus really accurate, a little bit bigger, probably
(37:45):
as or more athletic in terms of escaping stuff. So
if you draft Dylan Gabriel at three in the third round,
you're saying, we like this prospect on some level more
then we like Shadoor Sanders. And the guess is that
what they like about Dylan Gabriel is he does what
he's supposed to do. The ball goes where it's supposed
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to go. And then he's egoist, so he could be
a backup quarterback and won't cause any ruckus. And if
you're a Chaudore and you do like naturally, you do
kind of change the temperature of the room. Some of
it's because of his dad, but a lot of it,
like let's just be honest, it's because of him and
(38:27):
his actions, and his actions are a lot like his dad.
But it'll be fascinating to see what happens based upon
what Pickett does, based upon what Dylan Gabriel does, and
based upon how long is he out? How long is
he out? And just like always here we are spending time. Here,
(38:52):
we are spending time worrying about a guy who may
or may not play or make a team that very
likely won't be a in consideration for the playoffs. Hey,
this is what we do. And you could say, hey,
there's good to it. It brings attention to Cleveland Browns, like, eh,
(39:14):
I don't think that's Stefanski's type. And remember, Shador doesn't
have the off the field baggage that a Johnny Manziel did.
But Johnny Manziel was kept, was drafted, kept played because
he had this big following, and they realized it didn't
matter because one he wasn't working at it and two
he wasn't good enough. And so my concern for Shaudoor
(39:34):
is that does the failings of Johnny Manziel ruboff on
him in addition to the fact that now he's not healthy.
And then you know, you guys, have have you ever
had an oblique injury? An oblique injury, it's it's not
as bad as your back, but it's similar to any
time you twist and move. So if you pull your oblique,
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think about when you're throwing and all the you know
the dak fa see dak Prescott, which Hudorr Sanders does
in terms of opening up your hips. That's opening up
your oblique. And you know, we've all pulled muscles before.
What happens with the pulled muscle. You think you're fine,
you don't know, You give it a little extra time,
then you come back and like, oh, right in the
middle of it, you tweak it again. So good news
(40:18):
is Shador Sanders put together a really nice tape of
his first start. You know, a couple of a couple
of misfires, really a little bit confused against the defense
and suppressure early got it together after that played well.
So he's got some good tape. It looks like he
can be He could be an NFL quarterback despite the
fact that bad news is a couple of things. One
(40:40):
you look throughout the landscape of the league, a lot
of young quarterbacks having some success really And two, what
if he would have gotten another chance. It might not
matter because he might not have gotten a chance this
week or maybe even the third preseason game. And there
is there's always that wonderment of are they shutting him down?
Much like NBA team shut guys down or college players
(41:02):
shut it down if they have a good workout, Like
I had a good workout, I'm shutting it down. That's
where I'm going. I can only screw it up if
I go work out somewhere else, somewhere else and don't
play well. Here's Tony Grossi, by the way, who was
on with Colin Cowhard right before our show. They talked
about the confrontation Shador and him had after the preseason game.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So what did you say that it had him a
whole riled up?
Speaker 7 (41:26):
You know, I don't know if there's anything specific. It's
just that since he arrived, I've treated him as just
one of the ninety players. He's got these legion, these
incredible legion of fans who think the Cleveland brown season
is all about Shador Sanders this year, and I've stayed
(41:47):
away from that mentality. Although we talked Shador constantly on
our ear, I have to be fair to you know,
what else is going on with the team, And there
have been a few things I question. The first time
at Rooking Mini camp, seeing Dylan Gabriel and Shudur Sanders
on the field together that first day, I came away
(42:08):
and said, I understand why the Browns took Dylan Gabriel
ahead of Shadur Sanders. I thought Gabriel did some things
that Sanders.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
At that time didn't do.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
I'm not sure there's one smoking gun thing that I
said to get him riled up.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
And that was the first time.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
You know, We've been in this camp for three going
on four weeks, and after that game was the first
time he said anything to me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, I mean, do I think it's better than doing
it at the podium? Of course, of course, But there's
also like this is professional sports. Who cares that it
doesn't matter it doesn't matter. And oh yeah, by the way,
Tony Grossi is entitled to his opinion. But what you're
trying to do is intimidate a writer into writing positive
(42:54):
things about you, creating what anybody can consider a false narrative.
This is what we do now, by the way, And
where does it start? You know where it starts. It
starts at the top. But this is no different than
what Dion Sanders did. You know He would do this
all the time, confront media members if he felt like
they were saying saying something negative, like what is the
(43:17):
point there? What did you accomplish? So now, if you're
Tony Grossei, you're sitting there going, okay, well, I'm just
trying to do my job. And if I say something
nice about Shadoor, people are gonna think I'm only saying
nice about something nice about Shador because he confronted me,
not because he earned it. And if you say something
negative about him, it's because Shadoor confronted him. And now
(43:40):
he's like, now I'll just be the skip baylist, I'll
just be negative. Guy, I get it. We all want
to correct people. I've done this myself, called people up
never you know, never in public view. And I know
this was sort of behind the scenes, but he's clearly
standing over him talking to him and saying, you know,
why didn't you write something positive. We all do it,
(44:04):
like we'll read things about ourselves, and when something's written
that's unfair, you want to have somebody point out. But
when you do it yourself, and I have done this
once myself, it does a couple of things. One it
takes you you'll never be in those headlines again on
some level. Or Two, it makes it when it gets
(44:26):
out that you've done this really awkward to read the
same person or listen to the same person's work, because
you don't know if they're saying what they're saying because
they're mad, or they're just being defensive, or what's actually
going on. I just think it's fascinating how many people,
how many people affect so many hosts, because it's like
(44:50):
he talks about Shador's lead to event, these are just
people on social media. They're not real people. They're not
and media members get dragged into it and take sides,
and the voices on social media get amplified. But my
advice to Shador Sanders is really simple. It's like it's
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the take that for data or how you like that,
That's all you have to say. It's the same thing,
how you like that. It is exactly like what Shador
Sanders did, only it's more what he did was confrontational
and yeah, everywhere he goes there's going to be a camera,
and he knows there's going to be a camera.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Somebody was filming that. That was intentional.
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let's get to the story of the day Michigan was
(00:24):
levied fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if
this comes to be. And the reason I say that
is I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which
Division I program. We are under NCAA rules and regulations,
just like anybody else. And what I have come to
(00:47):
learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio
show host and a TV yaker, And now I know
is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA
and the NCAA is not some Darconian organization made it
(01:08):
out to be.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's just the conglomerate of schools.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And you know, it's like being mad at Congress when
there's actually you know, every state has the right to
vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents,
and you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah,
well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives.
These are the individual schools.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But there is the Board of Infractions. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The general thought from most people is no matter what
rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose.
Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the
past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in
terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our
(02:01):
program is a part of. In most college athletic programs
outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of
these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof. Right, there's a reason
that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit
proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of
years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form
of stabilization. So I say that because when I read
(02:25):
to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very
likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out
of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go
through what they were doing with the science dealing. I
can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing
how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey,
(02:47):
I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls,
get them for me.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Give me the calls. And when you're running a program
as big as.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Michigan, in my program, you know my email right now,
I have to it's I have to do every I'm
a CEO. I have to worry about every little different
department and oh yeah, by the way, much like Doge,
what can we cut, what can we keep? How little
can we spend to get the most out of it
because we have to compensate the student athlete now. But
(03:20):
I'm going to commend the NCAA. Look, do I think
this was a dog and pony show?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I do? Do I think this was that? This was?
Do I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm
not sure. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I do know that every college program, basketball or football,
tries to figure out what the signs are for the
other for the other team. And that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You're not allowed, unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball,
to scout in person, so you watch on video and
if they pull on their ear, if they tug on
their jersey, if they tap their head. You try and
figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing,
so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick
it up on video and eve, if you can, you
call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an
(04:10):
assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench and
when you say, hey, that's earpool, it's earpool.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Write that down, Earpool, what is it? Hey?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Then you go in at halftime and you make sure
that you have it listed. So if they pull out
their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing.
And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches
that have coached against them, because they keep a running
tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with
what they're doing on the floor.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, So my point is I'm not excusing the behavior
of Michigan. I'm just telling you that everybody, in some
form or fashion does. It feels like they overdid it
and they got caught and then they won. But once
they started winning, they probably they didn't have this brogram
in place, and they were in people's heads and oh yeah,
(04:58):
By the way, if you didn't no signs stealing took place,
why do you have three different people putting the signs out?
Because two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking,
so let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody
in the stands or some video camera trying to get it.
That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game,
they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we
(05:21):
just film the sideline and then what it coincides with
on the field. The big question for Belichick was were
they filming practice? That, of course is a no no.
And most coaches are incredibly paranoid if they say a
video camera running when they're in an empty gym or
an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out. They'll have somebody
(05:43):
go put a towel over it or whatever they do.
I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I
did you know this? Right before the game, you'll be
running through plays. What do you do with the players
who aren't involved? You line them up so the other
coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right,
And every high school football coach, college football coach has
been paranoid for years at practice, at covering up what
(06:04):
you're doing. You know, high school coaches, especially making sure
there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan
for the next day. So let's not act like we're
surprised that this happens or that Michigan's the only one
doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher
level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Here's the punishment.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars
fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program,
an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition
revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty
six football seasons, a fine equivalent to the cost of
ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs and
(06:45):
the twenty five to twenty six academic year, a twenty
five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to
twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the
football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's
eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a
ten year show cause. Denard Robinson, wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't
(07:07):
his Nate Dame when he played our shoe strings when
he played there as quarterback? Three year show cause, restricted
from all athletically related activities. That's actually a big one.
That means he can't really coach in college football. Whereas
a show cause means you have to show cause for
hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't
get the job. You have to just go through an
infractions committee and say you're sorry and say you've improved.
(07:30):
It's much like the probation department, you know, when you're
trying to remember the start of Shawshank Redemption, where you
have to say that you're a changed man type deal.
And then Sharon Moore got a two year show cause,
but he's still the head coach, so that doesn't matter.
And he suspended a total of three games. Michigan imposed
a two game suspension for this year. The panel says
he's got to be suspended one additional game.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do you want to know why?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's an awesome punishment because it hits him in the wallet.
They're not taking down a banner that we know they earned.
And that you can't do you guys, remember men in Black, right,
remember the little silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy
(08:16):
Lee Jones would hold up and press it, and everybody's
a memory would be a race. Your short term memories
is zapped. Don't you wish that occurred in life? Would
that'd be so cool?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You're like in an argument with your girlfriend and your
wife and you're just like two, Like what were we
even argue about? I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well,
the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know?
O gay.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no
neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty
thirteen NCAA championship is a race from our memory banks, right.
We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked,
pained and siva. It didn't get called as a clean block.
It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's
(09:05):
Louisville Cardinal, Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up
winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner.
Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an
NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish
a university? And the answer is you take their money? Right,
and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot of money.
(09:29):
Ten percent of the budget of the football program at
the University of Michigan. Okay, were calculating coaches salaries in
the budget?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
We calculate recruiting budget, yep. Are we calculating rev sharing
that budget? I don't know that it's going to be
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue
because it's a lot of money. And as much as
lawyer fees are a lot of money. I just ten
percent of scholarships a ward of Michigan football program. Okay,
So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year?
Nine ten percent is eight grand? Eight grand times?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
What do you have? One hundred and five?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
And in college football you do the math, that's a
lot of money. That's just the eight hundred or so
grand plus you got to take what you were going
to get and you're like, well, what if they didn't
make the postseason?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What they're talking about is everyone, everyone in your league
gets a portion of the postseason revenue. You get I
believe two shares if you play, and then if you win,
you get additional shares of it. So that's a lot
of money. Now they didn't and I apparently can't take
the TV revenue. They can't take the in stadium revenue.
(10:37):
Right where you're making probably I don't know Michigan one
hundred thousand people. I can only estimate between one hundred
and one hundred and fifty million dollars per year from
in stadium revenue, So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong,
but taking away the money is the only way to
truly truly punish college sports programs because it is all
(10:59):
about the money. Now, you want to know it hurts
the most. I would not want to be the coach
of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, swimming, diving, right. I feel
terrible for Michigan hockey women's basketball because Dusty May, they
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raised a bunch of money, they got a squad. I
know they wanted to play us who don't want to
play us, And we're like, I don't really want to
get forty piece by Michigan. No, thanks, not into that.
They got a squad. I don't know what their budget is,
probably ten million dollars, right, maybe maybe more fifteen I
(11:45):
don't know. They have a top ten program. They're awesome, right,
and they already have the contracts for their roster of
football players, right. Those those contracts are done, they have
to pay those players, and I'm guessing it's somewhere in
the twenty twenty five million dollar range overall with salaries. Right,
(12:09):
because Ohio State was they won the national championship. Everybody
said they were kind of top of the top of
the heap in the low twenties twenty million, So you
got to calculate one, every Michigan's going to try and
get to that level, and then two there's some sort
of inflation.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can we say twenty five million?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're
talking about. I don't know, somewhere in the fifty million
dollar variety. They have to be. You have to be
competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball
because that's where you make your money.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
So what I love is that they hit him where
it hurts.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that.
I don't know all the facts in the case, and
I don't have the time to kind of delineate how
big a deal this actually is. I do think that
this is kind of classic NCAA and and it's like
anything else, like, you know, supposedly this is Ohio State
fans finding this out, turning them in. We saw what
(13:09):
likely Texas fans did to John Mattier this week.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's like you.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something
like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers
and oh my gosh, gotcha, cause what that does is
now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones
on and trying find Ohio State guys. And you know
there's all this, you know, all this back and forth.
(13:37):
But whatever, Okay, they did a lengthy investigation. This is
what they found out.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And for years it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Was scholarship productions, right and taking down banners. Well, you
can't take away scholarships now, because if you take away
a player's scholarship, you say hey, instead of I think
it's one hundred and five, I'm sorry, we don't have
a football program. I don't care about those numbers that
used to be eighty five. And what they've done is
they've done instead of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's
(14:04):
roster limitations. And again we were told that the reason
they did roster limitations, says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit
proof that this is what This is how sports can
survive lawsuits. Where you're not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting
roster spots.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's all you can have. You can do.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Every spot can be a scholarship, or half of them
can be scholarships, or none of them can be spot.
You can do whatever you want within your own domain.
If you opted in, and Michigan of course opted in.
I'm Doug gotlibin for Colin. This is the hurd Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What you need to know is
what you need to know is Michigan got hit what
(14:45):
it hurts right, got hit where it hurts in the wallet,
in the wallet. And if you ask any Michigan coach
or administrator, okay, for years they felt like, despite the
fact were Michigan uh that the hardest part for them
was raising the money and getting up to the level
(15:06):
of Ohio State because Ohio State has never cared about
anything other than how can we put the best team
on the field. Michigan liked to have the academic repute.
Ohio State just want to win championships. Ohio State's run
fast and loose with rules for a lifetime, especially in
the football side. Okay, I'm guessing probably Michigan did too,
only they like Notre Dame, like to feel like they're
(15:27):
academically above it. They finally got to the level of
full investment from the university on the football program, and
now they're losing what ten percent of their budget and
all of their post what would have been post season revenue.
And my guess is what that hurts most is all
the Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about.
(15:50):
Olympic sports are picked, the one you don't soccer, hockey,
track and field, lacrosse, any of those ones. Their budgets chopped.
And what you do is then you move it over
cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't, we cut the budget.
There's always ways, always ways. What do I know, I
(16:13):
just worked for an Ncian institution.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports radio.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Okay, Taylor strip was on with the Kelsey's On podcast,
so there's a lot to it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Dan, I thought you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Brought up a bunch of interesting points, but maybe the
most interesting was who does this serve?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Like, who does it serves? What is the point? Why
is she doing this? And what do you think that
the answer is?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I was.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
I watched the almost entirety of the two minute the
two hour episode. I towards the end, I just kind
of fast forward a little bit, but it was on
for two hours last night, and even at the end
of that, Doug I wondered, all right, did Taylor do
this to bring her fans into the football world? Was
it to get football fans to appreciate Taylor Swift? Where?
(17:08):
What was the reason behind this? Ultimately, I think it
shook down to as we talked it out. I think
it was probably a safe space for Taylor to say
what she wanted to say and to reveal her album
and to do it in a neat way with the
person that she loves. So ultimately, maybe it was just
to serve themselves, but record numbers watching it and millions
(17:30):
of people when it went live yesterday afternoon, or I
think evening in some parts of the country. But I
had wondered of what was the reason for it even
after watching the two hours, and ultimately I think it
was just good for Travis and Taylor.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it
was it gives America a look at serve America's couple,
right and Jaycedu it took him probably six to nine
months to go to come up off of the it's
a fake relationship argument. And to anybody who thought it was,
(18:06):
then you watch you watch yesterday, you can watch now
online and be like, not, okay, that works. You know
that there that's a real thing. I do think that
oftentimes we think there's a strategy involved. It's a lot
like here's the parallel I'm gonna drive. I have a
really good friend who work with the president in his
(18:29):
first term, and his thing was anybody who thinks that
when he comes out with some new plan, that there's
that they've they've workshopped it or whatever, that there's a
whole plan in place, Like, that's not how he operates.
It's just not, oh, it's this master plan with the economy,
Like no, not really just has an idea. Somebody proposes
(18:53):
an idea, thinks it's a good idea, gets committed to it,
goes and does it, even if it may contradict an
idea he had a couple weeks ago. And I think
that's what's at play here with the Kelseys is she
probably always wanted to do it right, and everybody's always
why don't you ever do the podcast? Why don't you
ever do a podcast? Like we only see you guys
taking pictures in a club or a concert or a
(19:15):
football game like podcast, it's just a conversation. It's super
like you've talked people into being a podcast, like I
don't know, and then you get the dates arrive, Hey,
let's do it now for the season. Lets get out
of the way and we'll just talk and we'll, you know,
talk music, talk some football, let people know who we.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Are, and that's it. Is there a benefit to the
Kelsey's Yes. Is there a benefit to her? Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But I I and I could be wrong. And maybe
it's because I believe in the good and people first
and foremost that I don't think everybody has some master
plan on how to manipulate likes and how to manipulate
downloads and what it means for your music career. Like
she's a billionaire, she's the most popular female artist in
(20:01):
the country, period stop. He is a multi time super
Bowl champion, a Pro Football Hall of Famer. Like, they
don't need much more, they don't need even attention, but
it's just their way of Like people probably don't think
she likes her as into football. You watch that, you
listen to that, and you understand that she's doing what
(20:25):
every great partner should do, which is she's fallen in
love with what her partner does.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What it comes down to that I.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Became like a person who was running through the halls
of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier, You're worthy?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And my friends are like, what is who?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Body snatched you?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
This? Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We drafted worthy?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
You're worthy?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I forget where it was. You were the first person
to tell me that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I couldn't believe it. I was freaking out.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
We're talking about like, I'm like, wait, does she she write?
I had to look this up? I'm like, she does
she get the wrong information here? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We trade it up?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, you know I will.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm gonna just top in one thing. This is where
you're like a real person. I like when you when
you superstars are real people. She said, it's Xavier, but
she says Exavier, it's like a personal pet Beeve. But
forever reason it's charming because it makes her seem like
a real person that she has there are things about
her that aren't.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Perfect and that she's learning. Yeah, you know, like, so
it's a mistake, that's okay, not a big deal. And yes,
I thought that was. I thought it was. I thought
it was great as well. And it wasn't a pick
that was or a news item that was so obvious.
There was a little bit of of nuance in it,
or a little bit of inside that you'd have to
(21:49):
be a Chiefs fan to really get excited about.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
We're talking about cover two, cover four, cover zero, man cover,
We're talking we're learning, I continue to learn.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now,
but give me sixteen months.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, that's that's he's been on his iPad and they've
been sitting there at home and he's watching and she
wants to know. I think it's awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Something something tells me that he has been doing the
same thing, like I reached Taylor Swift and Kelsey fatigue
way early into this, and I've almost come around. I
was very interested to watch last night. I'm very I
was very impressed or startled surprised by how genuine they are.
They're like two giddy teenagers. I love Love. I like
(22:41):
watching Love. But I also think that he reciprocates that
because he's had us fooled this whole time into thinking
that he loves her music. I thought he was just
saying it to be a good boyfriend. But I think
he also likes her music, which goes a long way
with me because I don't like her music at all.
It does nothing for me. It's not for me. It's
(23:02):
for teenage girls. But he seems to just as she
has dived into the football. I think he's actually embracing
her music too, which is a surprise to me.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Stan Patrick Schelle here on Fox Sports Training, I heard ready,
w app go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I do think her music is for everyone, not just
for teenage girls. It's just Jason may not like it.
I will say that I thought Travis Travis felt like
the third wheel at times because I think he's used
to him, him and his brother going back and forth,
but understanding that this was Taylor's opportunity, that he was
(23:41):
gonna let her shine and would sprinkle in things. But
it wasn't a back and forth. It was a back
and forth between really Jason and Taylor. And I thought
Jason did a really good job. And I know that
there's some editing that's done, but it's not it's not
sneaky editing at all. You know where the cuts are,
you know where the place is where they've stopped and
started again. But Jason asked this question to her, which
(24:04):
I thought was great, and I give them credit. Jason
just asked, how did it work when you were trying
to get your masters back? Like can you tell me
the difference between what you know our publishing rights and
what aren't? And she laid it out for him, and
it was like a real music interview, and she explained
(24:24):
of like what she could do and what she couldn't do,
and why it was important for her to get those
master recordings, and why it may not be for every
single artist. And I actually thought that that part of it,
aside from them promoting and talking about their relationship, was
actually an informative part of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's look, I think it's fascinating to understand, to have
people understand a business that they never understood before.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I've had that conversation with a buddy of mine about
masters and about selling them and about holding on to them,
and so when I heard that, I was intrigued. But
I did know a lot of it. Again, I just
thought I thought it was a win. But it wasn't
set out. They didn't set out to win, right, They
didn't set out to win. They just set out that
I want to do a podcast, Let's do it. That's
(25:16):
how it felt. It felt very natural.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
There is something that I do think is I don't
contrive to such a negative connotation. But Travis is on
the cover of GQ. I mentioned this earlier, but Jason
at the start of the podcast, Jason Kelsey said, we
told you where we were going to be back August
twenty seventh. Instead we've got a surprise. We're going to
do this August thirteenth. Obviously that dropping helps Taylor, maybe
(25:41):
helps GQ helps Travis. But Travis, within this GQ article
talked about how his play over the last couple of
years slipped, and he says that he let his media
responsibilities doing an FX show, hosting a game show on Amazon,
he let those things get in the way of his play.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yesterday, Doug, after your show, I was in with Carrie
Rhodes on Cavito and Ridge, and Carrie was an all
pro and spent eight years in the league, says I
just think he's lost a step. I don't think he
has it anymore like he once did. And I think
this is all cover up and hearing what Carry said,
and I didn't necessarily disagree with Carrie. In the podcast
(26:23):
that aired last night with Taylor, Travis talked about traveling
the world and said that in Taylor brought up the
point that Travis had talked about going to different countries,
and Taylor's like, yeah, well, hello, I am going on
a tour. We can go to all of those countries.
And so that's what they did. In the summer of
twenty twenty four. Travis was with her in Europe during
(26:43):
those spots or going to different places. That wasn't mentioned
in the GQ article of the focusing on football, and
by the way, it would be okay, Travis Kelsey's accomplished
enough in his NFL career. He doesn't need to play
another down. He's going into the Hall of Fame. But
it was interesting to me to hear him say that
his TV stuff took him away, But the relationship stuff
(27:07):
with Taylor and being in Europe and doing these different
things were not a reason on why maybe his play
slipped last year, which you disagree with. I just don't
know how it helps, you know, Like I was when
he went to Argentina two years ago. Yes, during the
bye week, I just thought that's crazy. The big joke
is the NFL is not like we'll just go to
(27:29):
South America once a year. We'll go there too, So
maybe it looks a little bit normal, But I didn't
think that that was the great move for Travis and
preparing for the Chiefs. They ultimately go on and win
the Super Bowl, so it didn't have an effect. But again,
none of this has an effect, and it's okay if
it did. He's at the end of his career, but
it's never brought up as maybe a reason on why
(27:51):
not the relationship, but just the stuff that comes with
the relationship. You're in a different phase of your life,
a different part of your life. But he's pointed out
single about the TV shows, but nothing in terms of
the travel that he may have done with his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I would I would say this that.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Inevitably, inevitably, there will be some form of negativity towards it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right, There always is, And.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Here's how I would take that negativity right, because it's
it's not good. I don't think it's going to be
anybody who matters. I think it'll be the the bots
or the fingers on social media that matters. Okay, but remember,
in order to watch this or listen to this, you
have to seek it out, right, you have to seek
(28:41):
it out. So you can say I don't care about them. Okay,
well then don't listen and don't watch.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's fine. It'll be deal like they'll be. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So if you say, hey, I watched I listen to one,
I think it'd be really hard to come away and
think it's not a real relationship.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's pretty much impossible.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And two, they both seem really likable because Travis does
suddenly take a back seat, which I think he probably likes.
He's always been the center of attention. Now it's kind
of cool to have a eorl set of attention, like
that's that's dope. He can just kind of he can
just gotta be the arm candy. And then three like again,
the most important thing when somebody says, like, dude, I
(29:17):
listened to that podcast. Wait so you sought out that podcast,
downloaded it, listen to it. And then you're like, yeah,
I'm not into them, Like okay, that's you just you
want the attention that you think they're trying to get.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Here's where I don't think it's going to uh backfire
on him or in any way or it's going to matter.
Is if he plays well this year, then he's right,
and all the work that he's done with a speed
and agility coach work this offseason and guess what it
was the TV shows. Travis identified the problem and addressed it.
And if it doesn't work, and if he has another
(29:51):
down season, he's just old and his better days are
behind him. I don't think that this is going to
come up. And again, I don't think it mattered. I
don't think it's a big deal. But it's just funny
because it sounds a little hypocritical by Travis to say
it was the TV shows and my attention to that
as opposed to being away for a month and traveling
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throughout Europe.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I thought it took like balls for him to admit that,
and for him to admit it on GQ. It wasn't
like a sports mag per se or a sports article
or a reporter, but it took balls. And I think
that only a guy who's had his career already could
say I was distracted last season as my team was
(30:35):
trying to win a third straight Super Bowl. Doug, you
talk about the negativity and the bots and everything. I
think a Chief Sam would have an actual grievance to
be like, wait a minute, you're admitting to being distracted
as we were trying to set history last year. What's
going on here? And I think Kerry Rhadse is probably right.
I think that's his way of not admitting that he's
lost a step. But I think it takes balls, and
(30:57):
it's almost refreshing to hear a guy actually admit I
was distracted. How many athletes through the years, including Lebron James,
have said there's nothing to that. It's always about the basketball.
Everything else is sidebar. Travis Kelcey actually admitting this, I
think kind of puts him out there for criticism, don't
you think.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Doug, I do again. I didn't hear the entire podcast.
So were the TV shows he's talking about last year
or he's talking about in previous years because he did
the big reality show he did was like, yes, ten
years ago meant more than that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I was about of ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I was the CBS at the time, and where he
dated thirty two women in the offseason. I thought that's
what he was referring to, not to last year.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
No, So he didn't mention any of the TV stuff
in the podcast with Taylor yesterday in the New New
Heights episode. It was in the GQ article where it
was pointed out the FX Show and the show that
he did on Amazon that those were the shows, because
I guess there's multiple episodes with the Amazon show, and
maybe I wasn't familiar with the FX show, but those
were specifically pointed out as shows that he did.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
The was it what is it? Something Kelsey is keeping Kelsey,
I forget what it's called. On the Amazon show, which
was pretty good.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
And this is a different Amazon it was. This was
a different This was like a game show that he
hosted that he ended up being the host. But the
dating show that he did was yeah, that he wasn't
alluding to that? That was a decade or.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Are you smarter than a celebrity? Was the Amazon Prime show?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
And I wanted to say this dating show is he
didn't he date a woman from every state? Wasn't it
the Kelsey fifty or something stupid like that?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Something like that? Or was it thirty two? I can't remember? Wait,
so when was the when was the game show?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Was Chasing Kelsey?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I think that the game show was last the Last
off Season twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Okay, so last fifty women from fifty states vibe for
the heart of a pro football player Chasing Kelsey twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, so nine years ago I was I was close.
I was close in my ears.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I remember I interviewed him like he was you talk
about you talk about a guy who you had I
had no idea would reach superstar status nine years ago.
Think about how his life changed when Pat Mahomes became
his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We were at the super Bowl maybe it was Los Angeles,
I forget which super Bowl, and Doug and I are
prepping for the show, and all of a sudden, I
hear Hey, Doug, Doug, somebody trying to get Doug's attention.
Who's being walked by a publicist the other way? And
I look over. It's Travis Kelsey trying to get Doug
Gottlieb's attention as.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He because he used to come out all the time
and we talked basketball because he played basketball Cincinnati and
we have some like mutual mutual friends. And you know,
I likeain to go from that, like I have his number,
I've never haven't text him in years. I have no
idea if he has the same number, if he'd even
know who you know, new phone, who dish? But yeah,
I mean media like ridiculous, ridiculous went from yeah, I
(33:44):
know yea to these in the names you know in
the NFL non quarterbacks, he's top five in any conversation correct, yes,
and then after this podcast and after you know now
obviously a long standing relationship with Taylor Swift the most
(34:04):
known by proxy.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Foxsports Radio, Hope you're having just a
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because he did the DP show where we're all kind
of spread out this week as we get closer and closer,
(34:41):
closer and closer to football season, to true football season,
and obviously there's plenty of topics within that welcome in.
I hope you're you're ready for a tremendous two hours
plus you got the podcast bonus hour as well. Now,
you're too kind, You're you're too kind, Not really, you're
(35:02):
just very kind. Okay, what's the story of the day.
I guess, I don't think, I guess I know what
the story of the day is. The story of the
day is Shadoor Sanders. And the fact that Shador Sanders
is the story of the day is a really good
way to start because it's.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Part of the reason that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I obviously he wasn't drafted by some It's if you
draft a guy and you expect him to be a backup,
then he cannot get more attention than the starter. Now,
it doesn't mean that he won't be eventually be the starter.
When you're young, you want to develop et cetera, et cetera.
But Shad Door Sanders did not practice today. It's unclear
for the game versus the Eagles if he'll play Saturday.
(35:44):
Here's the good news. He puts some good stuff on tape.
He's in a quarterback competition, and he puts some good
stuff on tape. The bad news is that, you know,
the number one part of ability is availability, and it's
you know, you could sit here and go, well, it's
not fair he got hurt, but and I know the
(36:05):
injury is legitimate. Like if you play that, you play well,
you want to get back out there to keep kind
of climbing the chart. But now you're still four in
the depth chart. Other guys get an opportunity. Now you
would think the team on the other side will be
better as we go, but your team will also be better,
and so the better players or the guys higher in
(36:28):
the depth chart are going to play with better talent.
So yeah, the pressure does go on Trubisky and the
other quarterbacks. I don't think Flacco has to do anything
to it'll be his job. But to make the team,
(36:49):
your best ability is availability. That's a very cheesy, overused,
completely accurate NFL line.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Sorry, I said Trubisky.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I meant Kenny Pickett, right, So you got Pickett, wo
of course started in Pittsburgh, has a lot of experience.
Then he got Dylan Gabriel, who they did draft ahead.
And again I've never said I'm a Dylan Gabriel fan.
But if you drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round
and then you draft to Shador Sanders in the fifth round,
(37:24):
I think Shador Sanders to me, and I think most people,
feels like a better kind of true quarterback, like he
has more potential and upside. Dylan Gabriel is small and
doesn't have a great arm and kind of you know,
moves round back there, but not a great athlete. Chador's
also doesn't have like a plus plus R but not
a super minus really accurate, a little bit bigger, probably
(37:45):
as or more athletic in terms of escaping stuff. So
if you draft Dylan Gabriel at three in the third round,
you're saying, we like this prospect on some level more
then we like Shadoor Sanders. And the guess is that
what they like about Dylan Gabriel is he does what
he's supposed to do. The ball goes where it's supposed
(38:06):
to go. And then he's egoist, so he could be
a backup quarterback and won't cause any ruckus. And if
you're a Chaudore and you do like naturally, you do
kind of change the temperature of the room. Some of
it's because of his dad, but a lot of it,
like let's just be honest, it's because of him and
(38:27):
his actions, and his actions are a lot like his dad.
But it'll be fascinating to see what happens based upon
what Pickett does, based upon what Dylan Gabriel does, and
based upon how long is he out? How long is
he out? And just like always here we are spending time. Here,
(38:52):
we are spending time worrying about a guy who may
or may not play or make a team that very
likely won't be a in consideration for the playoffs. Hey,
this is what we do. And you could say, hey,
there's good to it. It brings attention to Cleveland Browns, like, eh,
(39:14):
I don't think that's Stefanski's type. And remember, Shador doesn't
have the off the field baggage that a Johnny Manziel did.
But Johnny Manziel was kept, was drafted, kept played because
he had this big following, and they realized it didn't
matter because one he wasn't working at it and two
he wasn't good enough. And so my concern for Shaudoor
(39:34):
is that does the failings of Johnny Manziel ruboff on
him in addition to the fact that now he's not healthy.
And then you know, you guys, have have you ever
had an oblique injury? An oblique injury, it's it's not
as bad as your back, but it's similar to any
time you twist and move. So if you pull your oblique,
(39:56):
think about when you're throwing and all the you know
the dak fa see dak Prescott, which Hudorr Sanders does
in terms of opening up your hips. That's opening up
your oblique. And you know, we've all pulled muscles before.
What happens with the pulled muscle. You think you're fine,
you don't know, You give it a little extra time,
then you come back and like, oh, right in the
middle of it, you tweak it again. So good news
(40:18):
is Shador Sanders put together a really nice tape of
his first start. You know, a couple of a couple
of misfires, really a little bit confused against the defense
and suppressure early got it together after that played well.
So he's got some good tape. It looks like he
can be He could be an NFL quarterback despite the
fact that bad news is a couple of things. One
(40:40):
you look throughout the landscape of the league, a lot
of young quarterbacks having some success really And two, what
if he would have gotten another chance. It might not
matter because he might not have gotten a chance this
week or maybe even the third preseason game. And there
is there's always that wonderment of are they shutting him down?
Much like NBA team shut guys down or college players
(41:02):
shut it down if they have a good workout, Like
I had a good workout, I'm shutting it down. That's
where I'm going. I can only screw it up if
I go work out somewhere else, somewhere else and don't
play well. Here's Tony Grossi, by the way, who was
on with Colin Cowhard right before our show. They talked
about the confrontation Shador and him had after the preseason game.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So what did you say that it had him a
whole riled up?
Speaker 7 (41:26):
You know, I don't know if there's anything specific. It's
just that since he arrived, I've treated him as just
one of the ninety players. He's got these legion, these
incredible legion of fans who think the Cleveland brown season
is all about Shador Sanders this year, and I've stayed
(41:47):
away from that mentality. Although we talked Shador constantly on
our ear, I have to be fair to you know,
what else is going on with the team, And there
have been a few things I question. The first time
at Rooking Mini camp, seeing Dylan Gabriel and Shudur Sanders
on the field together that first day, I came away
(42:08):
and said, I understand why the Browns took Dylan Gabriel
ahead of Shadur Sanders. I thought Gabriel did some things
that Sanders.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
At that time didn't do.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
I'm not sure there's one smoking gun thing that I
said to get him riled up.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
And that was the first time.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
You know, We've been in this camp for three going
on four weeks, and after that game was the first
time he said anything to me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, I mean, do I think it's better than doing
it at the podium? Of course, of course, But there's
also like this is professional sports. Who cares that it
doesn't matter it doesn't matter. And oh yeah, by the way,
Tony Grossi is entitled to his opinion. But what you're
trying to do is intimidate a writer into writing positive
(42:54):
things about you, creating what anybody can consider a false narrative.
This is what we do now, by the way, And
where does it start? You know where it starts. It
starts at the top. But this is no different than
what Dion Sanders did. You know He would do this
all the time, confront media members if he felt like
they were saying saying something negative, like what is the
(43:17):
point there? What did you accomplish? So now, if you're
Tony Grossei, you're sitting there going, okay, well, I'm just
trying to do my job. And if I say something
nice about Shadoor, people are gonna think I'm only saying
nice about something nice about Shador because he confronted me,
not because he earned it. And if you say something
negative about him, it's because Shadoor confronted him. And now
(43:40):
he's like, now I'll just be the skip baylist, I'll
just be negative. Guy, I get it. We all want
to correct people. I've done this myself, called people up
never you know, never in public view. And I know
this was sort of behind the scenes, but he's clearly
standing over him talking to him and saying, you know,
why didn't you write something positive. We all do it,
(44:04):
like we'll read things about ourselves, and when something's written
that's unfair, you want to have somebody point out. But
when you do it yourself, and I have done this
once myself, it does a couple of things. One it
takes you you'll never be in those headlines again on
some level. Or Two, it makes it when it gets
(44:26):
out that you've done this really awkward to read the
same person or listen to the same person's work, because
you don't know if they're saying what they're saying because
they're mad, or they're just being defensive, or what's actually
going on. I just think it's fascinating how many people,
how many people affect so many hosts, because it's like
(44:50):
he talks about Shador's lead to event, these are just
people on social media. They're not real people. They're not
and media members get dragged into it and take sides,
and the voices on social media get amplified. But my
advice to Shador Sanders is really simple. It's like it's
(45:11):
the take that for data or how you like that,
That's all you have to say. It's the same thing,
how you like that. It is exactly like what Shador
Sanders did, only it's more what he did was confrontational
and yeah, everywhere he goes there's going to be a camera,
and he knows there's going to be a camera.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Somebody was filming that. That was intentional.
Host
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