Where Does The Culture Come From?

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I'll ask him about this wild season that Kansas had.
Jim Jackson's gonna join us, so we gotta we got
a bunch, got a bunch of things to get to.
But I want to start with the story which broke
last night and has the entire sports world talking. It's
a hashtag meat too type of story, and it's supposed

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to be selacious in its details. It's supposed to make
you think that the NBA has the exact same problems
that Hollywood has, and it does, only it doesn't in
it as details of alleged domes domestic abuse and sexual

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ha harassment by a couple of members of the Dallas
Mavericks front office won by a beat writer employed by
the team, which in and of itself is suspicious, right.
The whole idea of a beat writers supposed to you're
supposed to work for a newspaper. But now teams have
their own websites and have their own beat writers for
those websites. So even though you're, as a beat writer,

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supposed to be working for the reader, in reality you're
working for the team, so you're not actually a beat
calling a writer for Mavericks dot Com a beat writer
is offensive to any legitimate beat writer because you don't
work for the fan, you work for the team. You're
nothing but bagdag Bob, a propaganda specialist. Regardless of which

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uh the the former CEO of the Mavericks is accused
of multiple occurrence of sexual harassment by current and former employees. Now, look,
it is never okay to make women or even men
feel uncomfortable in the workplace, just not It's not okay

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to be a domestic abuser and not have it be
and not have some sort of ramifications at work. And
if you read this article there there are in fact
details which are alarming in that Mark Cuban and the
Mavericks signed off on this former beat writer I don't
even want to call him beat writer writer from Mavericks

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dot Com coming back to work for the Mavericks after
having allegedly abused a coworker who he had a living
relationship with. Right they had one of those toxic relationships.
He abused her, she went to the cops. He ended
up pleading down. I went and got therapy. It got dismissed.

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Several years later, had another relationship and there was another incident.
And only now as Mark Cuban realized that there was
a mistake in only taking his word for it and
having him go to therapy. But that's not to me.
We're burying the lead here again. Let's let's start with
the most important thing. It ain't okay, dudes. Okay, it's

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not okay to treat women like anything other than you're equal.
It's not okay to sexually harass women. It's not okay
to tell them that their jobs at stake, if they
if they if they say something about your treatment towards them.
These things are not okay. But if you want to,
if you the problem with the pieces, it says that

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there is a locker room culture, but in the meat
of the piece, it actually says that the locker room
was a refuge for people in the organization. Thankfully, there
are not coaches, there are not players, there are not scouts,
there are not basketball people named. And so while it
is headline grabbing, it is interesting, and frankly from Mark Cuban,

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a guy who have always felt like is if anything
to honest. Yesterday we ripped Mark Cuban for exposing that
he's part of Tank Club and the first rule of
tank Club is don't talk about Tank Club. He talks
about all kinds of things you shouldn't talk about when
you're an owner. This was something that he talked nothing about.
All these things are bad, but there is no culture

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of locker room behavior, if the locker room is your refuge,
if there are no accusations. After a long and really
thought out, um well written piece of journalism by sports
ill Street, like I find I'm not finding fault with
what they've what they've investigated, and what they found, I'm

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missing the smoking gun that makes me think there is
a cultural problem with the Mavericks, right, that that therein
lies the problem. Do I think there's a cultural problem
in Hollywood with all these you me two stories, like, yeah,
I think it's fair. It's unfair because there's hundreds of

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thousands of actors and actress I haven't heard from, but
there's obviously some really bad dudes. When I read the
piece about the Dallas Mavericks, I think, you know, in
our workplace here at Premiere Radio, we not only employ
all Fox Sports Radio affiliates, a Fox Sports Radio talent,
but we also employ Hannity Rush Limbaugh and others. And

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my guess is that in our hundreds of hundreds of
our thousands of employees, there's probably a domestic abuser, probably
a sexual harasser. There's probably almost. There's most definitely an alcoholic,
a gambling addict, like there are all these so you

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can't I couldn't possibly tell you that this doesn't occur
in mike workplace. It probably does. I'm and for the Mavericks,
they're disgusted by it, but I actually think the NBA,
especially the NBA players and be a coaches, end up
looking bad even though it's completely they should look good

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if you read the story. Nobody reads a story like
locker room culture. Mavericks sexual harassers. You know players, players
are players, right, and yet in the meat of it,
there is no discussion about players sexually harassing, verbally harassing,
domestically harassing anybody, which also leads me to the last point,

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At what point are we gonna rename it locker room culture?
Because if it doesn't occur in a locker room, well
then how then is a part of locker room culture.
It's like cliche nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, what we thought,
or maybe think locker rooms were like, Whereas now dudes
get back to their locker room and they're on their

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cell phone. Guys are not just multimillionaires. You have a
billionaire in the locker room. And don't get me wrong,
I'm sure there's some guys that are into some shady
stuff in locker rooms. But the idea that it's locker
room culture when it didn't declure inside the locker room
brings a question to what exactly is locker room culture

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these days? So, um, I look at I look at
Mark Cuban, and he looks bad. But I also believe
that Mark Cuban has has earned the equity to fix
whatever has been wrong with the Mavericks. And when he

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says we didn't take it seriously enough, I actually think
that's fair. I think it's honest. I think you do
take people's word for you want to believe in the
best in people. So did he know I guess did
he investigate enough? Probably not? And we saw it with

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the NFL, right like Rogeral didn't do nothing when or
who wasn't he didn't do anything when uh uh right,
Jenny Rice Scott knocked out. He suspended Ray Rice for
two games. And while now that looks like two games
what a joke, at the time, that was the longest
suspension everybody evergotten. There was no precedent for any suspension

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longer than two games. So society is continuing to evolve
on our sword past. How we look at men and
women working together and dating while in uh while in
the workplace, but don't excuse the behavior, but also don't

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lump the Dallas Mavericks, players, coaches, personnel really in with them.
This is a couple of bad guys who did some
bad things, and a rightfully be called out for it.
But I struggled to find the cultural connection the when
you're casting a shadow over the entire organization, I feel

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like that's unfair, because what we've learned is in any workplace,
there seems to be a portion of people, a portion
of men who don't know how to treat women. There
seems to be a portion of men who are in
charge who want to use that power for their betterment

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outside of the workplace. And those guys, slowly but surely,
we'll get rid of. But I struggled to find the
cultural thing. It's weird. You see Mavericks, you see locker
room behavior. If you don't read the story, wouldn't you

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assume And I would guess there's a lot of people
who are gonna sit there and assume the mavericks, locker
room culture, hitting on chicks, holding it against them. You know,
there's zero accusations of that. It's actually the opposite of that.
Fascinating Just I don't know. We're in a fascinating place

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to which I like that, you know, I like that
women have the ability to call out guys that are creeps.
But I do think that we need to catch our
breath and before we assume this is no different than um,
some of the accusations against Michigan State. What Larry Nasser
did is disgusting. It's disgusting. It's an abuse of power

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and abuse of young girls, mature girls. I mean, like,
it's just the whole thing is disgraceful, disgusting. And you know,
while we don't execute people for what he is convicted of,
I don't think any of us would ever say, like,
I'm really against his his execution. You just wouldn't. It's evil,
and to get evil off the earth I'm okay with.

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And there have been many there there have been enough
accusations against Michigan State football players, some Michigan State basketball
players to look at their behavior and think it's disgraceful.
But I struggle with that to find the uh cultural
issue with Michigan State basketball and football. I just did.

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If you want to say it's a cultural issue with men,
especially young men in college campuses, okay, And by exposing
it and by holding holding young men accountable, will begin
the process of relearning, because I mean, I thought I
always learned. I just thought you knew that, right, But

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apparently that's not the case. And the good and social
media is we can't expose people. The other other point
to be cautious about. And one of the guys is accused, like, look,
part of what you've read I don't is not is
you know, it's like the her set he said. She said,
I don't know. I don't want to get into it

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because I don't care. I don't Mark Cubans should have cared,
does care. Now there'll be some sort of league penalty.
But I read the entire story last night, and I said,
no players, no coaches, no scouts. While there's a problem,
let's not act like this is a cultural locker room
problem when there's nothing within the locker room, and the
opposite is actually said within the story. Well, ask Chris

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this affects the Mavericks. Plus Mark Cuban's comments about tanking,
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Let's catch up with Chris Mannocks. You've seen him at
times on Fox Sports one. Uh, he used to have
his own radio show. Now we just were awesome. Love
to have him on. You can read his work in
Yahoo Sports. Follow him on Twitter, excellent, excellent resource for
all things going on in the NBA and Mannix. Let's
let's start with the All Star weekend. It was kind

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of a recruiting weekend for the Lakers, right. It's like
when Kentucky has midnight Madness, you know, they try and
get all their guys the Lakers. Weather was great, It's
a great scene, good restaurant, Staples Center, people going crazy.
Do you think do you think this All Star weekend
helped in their bidding for Paul George and Lebron James. No.

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I don't think it was all that impactful. I think
what's was more impactful was the deal the Lakers made,
you know, prior to the All Star break, you know,
acquiring our first round pick, moving off that Jordan Clarkson contract,
giving themselves another asset, more flexibility moving forward, and and
maybe more important is kind of the state of the organization.

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You know, come to live onest. Now we know they're
not going to have their own first round draft pick
that's going to go to either Boston or Philadelphia, UM
as a result of a previous deal. But you know,
the Lakers need to present a functional front that they
need to be able to walk into a meeting of
Paul George and with Lebron and present them with, you know,
a a three to five year type of plan for

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them to develop into a championship team. That that, to me,
is far more important than than anything that was learned
overall st our weekend. Alright, let's let's get to the
story of the day, which is the Dallas Bavericks. What
it says is they have a cultural problem. Yet when
I read deeper into what Sports Illustrated investigated, the cultural
problem did not include the players, coaches or scouts. There's
a couple of people in the front front office, which, look,

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the behavior is disgraceful if what is alleged actually took place.
And the fact that Mark Cuban knew about some level
of it, and some of it he says he does
didn't know about. I think that that's not great leadership
is not really what you want with a franchise. But
I don't think it creates or it does a uh.
It hits the nail on the head in terms of

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portraying a cultural problem as much as a problem managing
human resources and the human resource manager. What Jersy, what's
your takeaway from the Sports Illustrate piece. Yeah, I mean,
you're right, it's it's not a Mavericks team problem because
doesn't involve you know, players, coaches, even Mark Cuban frankly,
in terms of of direct involvement in in harassment. It
does involve you know, high ranking members, at least one

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high ranking member of the organization in the former president
and in a Mavericks dot Com writer. The problem with
all this, Doug, is that you know, Cubans already kind
of talking himself in circles here. He originally denied having
any knowledge of it. Um Betty came back and and
said that he did learn about the or he was
made aware of the Earl's need incident the first time around.

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He just spoke with the ESPN when he said, uh,
you know, and I'm paraphrase can here, but he said
he was also where of the second incident, and he
kept Earl heed on in part because he was afraid
he might go out to do it again. I mean,
he's he's just kind of of of talking himself in
in a in a very large circle right now. And
you know that. The big takeaway from all this, though,
is how does the NBA respond to it? I mean

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the n B A Uh, It's not like the NBA,
Doug has a zero tolerant policy when it comes to
sexual harassment. They employ Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas is working
for NBA TV right now. And we all know what
happened ten years ago with the Knicks when a jury
in New York found him guilty of sexual harassment. The
NBA seems perfectly willing to kind of allow that to

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go glossed over and to make an exception for Isaiah Thomas.
So I'm very curious to see how Adam Silver and
the NBA responds to this whole thing. What kind of
penalty or punishment they meet out because they don't have
they don't have the most sterling record either when it
comes to addressing these issues. Yeah, it's the Isaiah Thomas.
And and for to be to be clear, Isaiah Thomas

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I don't believe was directly found. Yes he was. He
keeps saying, he keeps saying he wasn't, But he was.
I mean, look, I went to every day of that
that trial in New York when it was ongoing. The
the the legal ruling was that there was a judgment
of eleven point six million dollars six million of which
the jury said directly came as a result of the
environment that Isaiah Thomas created, the hostel work at fire,

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it that he created, so he can he can talk
himself in circles about all that too, But the way
he spun it has been wrong. No, I'm I'm with you.
I'm just I just want to make I just want
to make sure that you know, as you were there,
the legal ruling can be a little bit deceiving, but
the legal ruling is technically what the legal ruling is. Um. Okay.
Then you couple that with I don't know if you

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heard I'm sure you heard this. This is dr J again.
Everybody has a podcast, right, um. Dr J has a
as a podcast, and on it he said that you know,
he had he had dinner with a couple of his
guys and he told them they were better off losing.
So it's one thing to tank, or, as the Mavericks
have said, play younger players late, which is of course tanking.

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It's another thing to tell your your current players that
you're trying to lose. How does Adam Silver handle this, well,
he didn't do anything last year when when Cuban said
something comparable when he was talking to Dan Patrick about it,
And I don't think they'll do anything uh this year. Look,
you can't not gonna go out there and tell Dirt
Navitsky and and some of the veterans on that team
to act like the Washington generals. It's just not gonna happen.

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To mean that the one thing they can do is
the trot out young players that have no sense to win.
Is very little the NBA can do about it. Moreover,
I think the n b A is is satisfied at
this point that the changes they made with the lottery
system effective next year, will address you know, any lingering uh,
you know and lingering tanking that's done by teams. So
this year, I think they're just gonna kind of swallow

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it and deal with what teams like the Mavericks do,
uh and the Sons are doing once again, and the
handful of other teams out there that aren't trying to win.
It's it's it's not something I can tell you, believe me,
you know, in reporting this about this Maverick story from
today and talking to a few people the league office,
it's certainly not something they're happy about. But I don't
get the sense that that they're gonna do anything about
it either. That's Chris Bannis from Yeah Who Sports join

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us on the Dug Gallup Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's go to Boston Celtics. Let's go to actual basketball
on the floor. Outside of getting Marcus Smart back, how
do they fix what suddenly besiege this team where they're
they're not playing great defense. They have had some uneven
performances and they kind of limped their way to the
All Star Break. Well it you know, I talked to

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Brad Stevens about this a couple of times over the
last couple of weeks as the Celtics have kind of deteriorated,
and it begins with toughness. I mean, they just have
been punched in the mouth repeatedly in the first half
of games. I mean, go back to the Toronto game
about two weeks ago where they got blown out in
that first half. The Cleveland game, of course, even Indiana
came into the Garden and smacked the Celtics around early. Now,

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Boston has been one of the most it's not the
most resilient team in the league when it comes from
climbing back from big deficits, but they haven't been able
to do it, and that's a big concern now within
that celticsh locker room. But how badly they're getting beaten
down in the early stages of the game. Now, you
mentioned the defense, and that's that's a big part of it.
I mean, offensively, I think they'll be fine, but defensively,
they've got to rediscover that defensive identity that defined them

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in the first couple of months of the season. That
begins with stopping triple penetration, that begins with stopping the
sloppy fouls. The number of calls per game that the
Celtics have had has gone up significantly, uh from before
January one. From January one on. You look at the
defensive rebounding numbers, they've gone down uh since January one
as well. These are all kind of, you know, individual statistics,

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but they all speak to a bigger problem with overall
toughness that this team dealt with. So they've gotta be
more physical, they've got to come out they eat more
from the Bainses and the Monroe's, and that's those front
line guys. And yeah, you mentioned Marcus Smart. I think
he's really gonna help when it comes to stopping that
dural penetration from elite guards. Uh in NBA people's minds,
How are the Warriors still the the the clear favorite

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to come out of the West. Yeah. I mean, look,
I don't disrespect Houston because what that they're real. I mean,
they're gonna be tough. It's not gonna be a sixteen
and old postseason for Golden State. But there's there's a
sense of people around the league and even over an
All Star weekend that and the Warriors are kind of
going through the motions. I mean, the the the idea
of a fourth you know, finals, and and the hangover

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leading up to it is real. I can't really blame Aime,
the Curries and the Draymond's and and Clay Thomas even
Durant from not getting up for regular season games right now.
And they still only have fourteen losses. So I think
they'll get hot in the final third of the season.
But the bigger concern is trying to the bench. I mean,
I Drew Dallas shooting like from three point reigns the
last three years, he shot better. He's got to improve

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that three point shot before they get to the postseason.
But if he does, everything else is going to kind
of fall into a place. They still have the best
starting five in basketball. They may not take walk to
the finals like they did, you know, the last few years,
but I still think they're gonna get there. And most
people around the league they agree with me. Yeah. Look,
I think the ego dalla thing. I understand, Well, when
it's postseason, he'll step up his game. But at some point,

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do you go to the well and there's just nothing there? Right,
And and those young guys. Pat McCaw's out, Jordan Bell
has been out, he's not He's not there yet. They
have this guys that might be a little bit too old,
and guys that might be a little bit too young,
which in like, if you like, I understand, and then um,
then he got swaggy p who need they need to

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give them offense? But you feel like he's not ready
for a real playoff basketball, right, So I'm not I'm
I'm with you. I'm I'm a little suspicious of that.
That bench is not nearly what it has been in
the past. Yeah, look, I mean the Iguadala, you know,
did a masterful job negotiating his contract, you know, a
couple of years ago. I mean that that that really

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was a master stroke by him, because now the Warriors
were afraid that, you know, as he aged out, that
that something like this could happen. He was never a
great three point shooter, but he was always, you know,
reasonably consistent from the corners, and and that was enough
to keep him on the floor because his defense was
so good. So now there's been an expectation of some
degree of a regression from Mikeudala. Now I don't think

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we can assume that he's just gonna flip a switch
and become a thirty five percent three point shooter in
the playoffs, and that's gonna put Steve Kerr in a
tough spot. Do you do you keep him on the
floor for extended minutes when teams are treating him like
Andre Roeperson, or do you, uh, do you kind of
put somebody else in there? Give Nick younger chance because
offensively he can do a lot more. This is gonna
be a tough coaching, uh tough coaching post season for
Steve Kerran. You know, I haven't been out there in

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a couple of weeks, but based on the comments I've
been reading from him. He does seem to get that.
He seems to get that this is gonna be a
more challenging post season years past. That's the voice of
Chris mannix Yahoo's Sports. You'll see him um on several
of our shows. I've seen him on First Things First,
He's appeared on Cowhard Show, kind of to stop in
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fined six hundred thousand dollars for his public statements called
detrimental to the league. It was announced just now by
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concerned his perspective on the team's competitive success, made during
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The NBA is still off tonight for the All Star break.
Games won't resume until tomorrow night. Six games Thursday, including
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Number three Villanova is home to DePaul at eight thirty
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that what I've been told that is correct. He is
not feeling well, apparently after yesterday's show caught something, caught something. No,

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I'm not sure. You just emailed me last night said
I haven't been feeling well since yesterday afternoon, and I'm
going to take the day office. Fair enough, everyone deserves
the day off. At some point, I gotta take a
day off. I have. You know, I know I've been
off this show, so you're like godly but your but
I have not actually taken it. I work on a
different show. You're a remarkably healthy person for the fact
that you have kids who we all know kids at school,

(28:38):
bring home germs all the time. You're always traveling and
you're always working, so between the kids being in airports
and on airplanes. And I like to fly, and I
will fly at any hour, you know, like tonight, I
fly late to Eugene, Oregon. Tomorrow I got Oregan airs
on the state, so I'll land at about like eleven o'clock,
go to the hotel room, crash, get up, probably gonna
go and drive and see my nieces and nephews who

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lived by, you know, in core Ballence like forty five
minutes away. Have coffee with my brother, come back, do
the radio show, go over, get you know, get get
a meal, get a workout. Then I got the late
game eight thirty. I think is to start West Coast
time on FS one and then the next morning six am,
fly back and do the radio show Friday and then
fly on a red uh. I think I'm doing a

(29:22):
red eye to Nashville. I have you a b versus
Middle Tennessee on Saturday, Minnesota Purdue on Sunday. Then I'll
be back late Sunday night, and I'll be back here
Monday before Monday night a red eye to Omaha, and
from Omaha, I'll have Craighton versus De Paul. And then
from there I go to New York and I'll do

(29:43):
the shows from New York because I'm doing the Big
Ten Tournament on radio. And then I come back Sunday
Sunday night and Hamster on the Wheel. So yeah, in
between all of that, the fact that you haven't had
some sort of virus bacteria. I had a general cold
that takes you out of commission for several days. Now

(30:04):
you forgot. I had the voice thing in Albuquerque. He's
like a which was like it was there for like
an hour and a half. That was the closest you've
ever come to where we almost had to be like, Doug,
we can't let you do the show because we actually
can't hear you. I know. And um, the good folks
that our I Heart Radio affiliates in Albuquerque they had
there was like nobody there that day. I don't know,

(30:25):
it's a vacation whatever, but in their break room they
had like cup of soup that you could hot hot water,
mix it instant, kempa soup and that got me through
the show. You know. I did have a day to
which I said um, like thirty times in a segment,
and it was just because I think the synapses and
neurons were not firing upstairs. But some who listen to

(30:49):
me would say, God, don't kid yourself, the synapses and
neurons aren't firing upstairs most days. Fair enough, Bill self,
Next hour My thanks to Chris Mannix saw this story
from Peter Ing. Andrew Luck is confident, as are the Colts,
that he won't need more surgery on his shoulder. That
sounds good right. Good Luck told Peter King that is

(31:13):
not an option for me right now. Surgery that ship
has sailed. Luck is in California, talk with him via FaceTime.
He's working with Tom House, which all these quarterbacks, by
the way, are out here. Golf is out here, obviously
lives out but Golf and Mitch Drobinsky, I know, are
working with Tom House and all the quarterback who all
the drafted guys are gonna get drafted. I don't know

(31:34):
if you saw the h was Johnny Manzel trying to
make a comeback? Do you see that video music to
the video of him throwing a fly pat would looked
like a no, look like a deep post. I did
not see the man's over. Yeah, there's a man's l
video if you watch that's at U c l as
practic fatility. So they're all out here anyway. Tom House

(31:55):
seems confident that Luck will be able to throw without
restriction this spring. Wait a second, what he said this? Uh,
Andrew Lux, I'm in the middle of throwing up. I'm
in the middle of a little bit of throwing, but
a little bit of throwing. Now. I understand that Josh

(32:16):
McDaniels looks bad for pulling out of the Colts job.
I get it. And once you fail at one job
and then go to the altar and turn down your
bride at another job. There are some that believe Josh
McDaniels better hope he gets the Patriots jobs next, because
there might not be another job out there. Form I

(32:36):
dispute that, I would say, like, look, Dana Alban, for example,
who is the organ head coach? Once upon a time
he was at Creighton. He left for Arkansas, was there
like a week, didn't like it, came back to Creighton,
and people like, well, they'll never get him out of Creton.
Nobody's gonna call Organ called took him to the Fintal
four last year. Greg Marshall's the coach at which tas State.

(32:57):
Once upon a time accepted the job at your College
of Charles And where he had been an assistant under
John Crest I think was his name, And he was
at Winthrop driving back to get all this stuff from
rock Hill, South Carolina. Changed his mind. Nobody's ever gonna
hire him? Which toss they did. They've been to a
final for so We've seen others change their mind. Obviously

(33:21):
we saw Bill Belichick change his mind. Surgery right now
doesn't appear to be an option. Doing a little bit
of throwing anybody else kind of concerned here, like how
long has it been since he did a lot bit
of throwing? And we all just assume, like when you look,
will be fine. And from my perspective, if he's fine,

(33:44):
there's a gold mine of a job because their personnel
hasn't been good. He's been able to cover up so
many of their their failings as a team throughout the
previous regime. Obviously hasn't played for this regime at all.
He had surgery in January. Listen, Oh wait, he has
surgery in January of two thousand seventeen, and he's just

(34:06):
now throwing a football a little bit, like anybody else
think you're not getting the whole story there that maybe
Josh McDaniels freaked out because he's like, all right, listen,
when we get down with the Super Bowl, love to
talk to Andrew Luck. See some tape of him throwing, Like, well,
you don't really have tape of him throwing? Why not
because he's not throwing. Then Belichick and Craft come in,

(34:32):
they're like, hey, I know you're excited to leave you
you've seen that Andrew Luck tape and throwing, Like, no,
he doesn't throw, he doesn't throw that's interesting. And you're
taking the job because of Andrew Luck and you don't
know if you can throw a football. And as we
stated yesterday, the most important thing you can do as

(34:54):
quarterback is not run fast, it's throw a football. Interesting.
That's Peter ke v m m m QB dot com.
Broncos are ready to move on from Trevor Simeon. Real
news or fake news. I'll tell you that up coming
next but first Friday, March two. Bruce Willis Is stars
in Eli ross reimagination of the original action film Death Wish.

(35:18):
I always wanting to say that Death Wish. Death Wish,
starring Bruce Willis. After his wife and daughter are brutally attacked,
a family man morphs into a badass revenge machine when
the system fails him, so he decides to take matters
into his own hands to protect his family. The big
question is whether the audience use him as a hero

(35:39):
or a villain based on how far he'll go to
protect his family. Bruce Willis becomes both they forced to
be reckoned with and deeply human, full of swagger with
every bit of that classic Willis charms. Don't miss the
action thriller Death Wish in theaters Friday, March second. This

(36:10):
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(36:35):
could catch up? Bill? I worked his fantasy camp every year.
It's super super fun. That's in May, and it's kind
of competitive. It's me, Frank Facilla. I think Miles Simon
will do it again. Now he's an assistant with the Lakers,
but you know is an analyst with the ESPN back then.
Um who else? Jay Williams coaches the team. Um, Jerry

(36:58):
waynewright As coached the team. Like it's usually pretty fun
and you get a bunch of old has beens and
they play and you coach him and you yell at him,
and then you go out and drink beer with him
after the games. Gets a good time. Anyway, Bill self
will join us upcoming. I think twenty after next to
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(37:23):
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First off, reiterating our real news from the bottom of

(37:46):
the hour that mAb's owner Mark Cuban was fine six
hundred thousand dollars for his comments on tanking determined to
be detrimental to the league. Now we get to the
segment of game Time real news or fake news? Real news,
fake news. On this overproduced segment, we have to say
it again, real news or fake news. So we'll go
to story number one, stealing. Thank you very much. Stealer

(38:08):
linebacker Ryan Shays here said he still plans on returning
to the football field so that he can one day
be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Is
that real or fake news? Fake news? They're real and
they're spectacular. He still has the Hall in his sights,
and he did an interview Want a Teammate's podcast this week.

(38:28):
Everybody's got a podcast? Who doesn't? Steelers linebacker says he
plans to play football. I gotta get back, bros. He said.
Touched on several topics, including his desire to be a
Hall of Famer. The Bronco is awesome, you know. I like,
what what's the line from uh Austin Powers too? I
want to sell a gold toilet, but that's just not

(38:49):
in the cards, babe, right Like I want to play
in the NFL again? Good? Um, can you just get
to where you can? We we are more of the wheelchair. Yeah,
we're more hopeful you walk. We don't care. We like
you as a person. We'd love you to be around
football if that's what you desire, but but football seems
so far off. Great, you have gold. He had the
spinal stabilization surgery in December. Shas here is twenty five.

(39:13):
We'll get to Raiders and Broncos news now. First off,
Oakland head coach John Gruden told the mm QB he's
been thinking about returning to coaching for the past several
summers while spending time on his boat and playing golf.
Is that real news or fake news? You are fake news? No.
In fact, he said, I got tired of sitting in
a darker and watching tape by myself. I took rumba
dancing classes that didn't last, that wasn't any good. Bought

(39:36):
a boat, never used it, live on a golf course.
I would never play on an audience. Back to coaching.
You know the two best days owning a boat? All right? Well,
buying it and selling it. I guess the day you
buy it and the day you sell it. Everyone everyone
have a boat, like man, two great days on the boat. Now,
if I have friends that have a boat, I haven't.

(39:57):
I do have a friend that has a boat, and
to me out for the boat parade in Newport Beach.
And it was great, but even better because I need
to pay for it, didn't have to clean it, didn't
have to gas it up, and don't have to love
it all the time. And also I didn't have to
I would get lost, right, I have no navigational ability.
So yeah, but owning a boat, I love it. He's

(40:18):
a ball guy, and it's hard to sit there. And
I have this say I've never whym not saying I
never coached. I coached in Israel. Obviously. This year I've coached,
helped out in jer college year, I played your college
of coach au basketball. I will tell you that there
are times what you're watching. I'm watching these tapes on
these six teams I'm gonna see in the next three days,
and I'm like, man, this is a this is this

(40:40):
is a kind of a scary, weird existence. Well, I
was like, why are you watching tape of Alabama Birmingham
being beaten at home by U T. San Antonio. I
was like, sometimes, honey, I don't know. I don't know. Well,
as Gruden said, I'm wasting my time. I gotta go compete.
That's the difference. He wants the action on the field.
The Broad Coast are ready to move on from quarterback

(41:01):
Trevor Simeon and have reportedly placed him on the trading block.
Is that real news or fake news? Real news? They're
real and they're spectacular. NFL Media says the Broncos are
expected to make Trevor Simeon available in a trade. He
has started the majority of Denver's games the past couple
of seasons. The problem is, like, what's his value. You know,
that's right. We've seen it, like we we It's hard

(41:23):
to trade for a starting quarterback sometimes collects like a
third round pick. Jimmy Garoppolo granted expiring deal second round
pick for brock ost Wilder. I mean, for you know
brock Oswilder will do they have to trade for him?
I can't remember. For Trevor Simeon, who is a nice
back up with some experience, like why would you trade
for him? That? Wait until Denver cuts him. That offense

(41:46):
last year looked as bad at times as the Rams
offense did the year before to the Colts. While the
Colts still don't know exactly how healthy Andrew luck shoulder is,
they do know who they're running back will be next season.
Because Frank Gore is expected to return for a fourth year.
There is that real news or fake news. People just

(42:06):
can't quit Frank or I'll say it's real news. He's
expected to continue his career this coming season, but TV
in Indianapolis explains the relationship likely won't make it to
a fourth year in Indy. He's only seventy five yards
away from fourth all time on the career rushing list.
He's thirty four he's got two, he's gone through two

(42:27):
torn a c l s. He's thirty. Yeah, Frank Gore
is one of those guys that you think he's gonna
beat father Time, but eventually father Time's gonna catch up
if it hasn't already. This is game time. On the
Dug Gottlieb Show, people have said you need to switch
positions Lamar Jackson. Is there a racial component to it?

(42:49):
We discussed next in the Doug Gotlip Show. What Up
Doug Gottlieb Show, Box Sports Radio. Mm hmmmm. We got
so much stuff to get to. Bill Selft's gonna join

(43:11):
us in fifteen minutes, head coach of the Kansas Jayhawks,
winners of thirteen consecutive Big Twelve crowns, And what we've
kind of decided to do, kind of decided to do
was like, I don't know, I have all these we
have all these conversations with college basketball coaches and and

(43:32):
look credit to Cindy Katz, Ryan Music. They booked this show.
We had jay right on earlier. I just I don't
want to do the basic kind of Q and A
about the other night being Oklahoma. We'll talk about it
some um and kind of going through it just kind
of general conversation what it would be like in thoughts
on the sport and getting ready for the n c

(43:52):
A Tournament. I don't know, we'll see what what how
Bill Bill feels like talking upcoming. We've had a lot
of great conversations in the past. Yesterday we had Daniel
Jeremiah on and if you've watched him on the NFL network,
you read his pieces or you heard him yesterday. He
believes that Lamar jackson Um should in fact stick to

(44:14):
playing quarterback in the National Football League. And that's great
and large. Jackson Is has an incredible arm. It's incredibly fast,
elusive and can make big plays. I believe he's a project,
and as a project, he's somebody that has to get

(44:35):
more accurate, has to learn how to put touch on
his football, has to learn how to read a defense
because he's so crazy athletic that in college football, especially
you know in the A c C and based upon
some of the competition they've played against. When he looks downfield,
if he doesn't like his read, he can tuck it
and run and run away from people. Like His speed

(44:59):
is hold the turbo button down type of speed. He's
that fast. The problem with that type of speed is
in the NFL, they catch you and they hit you.
And the old expression is like the two things that
are not old is there's there's no such thing as
an old agent. There's no such thing as an old
running quarterback. They just don't. Guys get hurt. Guys get hit.

(45:23):
Even Mike Vick, who's the fastest and most elusive of
the quarterbacks who he's most compared to one VIC did
not see sustained success. But let's remember Mike Vick broke
his leg after his best season in the NFL when
they won the playoffs, and famously one in Green Bay
in the wild card game, beat the Packs and broke

(45:44):
his leg. No such thing as an old running quarterback.
So I'm not saying that he um, he has to
switch positions. I just don't understand why people are so
up in arms about the idea that he has to
switch positions. I like Ryan Clark, I do. I like

(46:08):
Ryan Clark, and um, I think he does a good
job at ESPN. But he took to Twitter and said so.
Lamar Jackson w won the Heisman and was college football's
most dynamic players. A quarterback can't play quarterback. Oh, and
they showed us that Johnny had first round quarterback seals. Also,
we made sure to know that Baker just let's let

(46:29):
his leadership and competitiveness gets the best of him. Sometimes
we hear you again, he goes on. Aside from Crouch,
all got a chance to play quarterback. Most are drafted
and high. Doesn't matter if they were good in the league.
They weren't told they needed to play another position. Well,
that's just not true. What what Ryan Clark is doing

(46:53):
is Uh, it's disingenuous for for anyone to say he's
not linking race to it. He saying, and it's been
said across the dial that the reason Lamar Jackson has
to switch positions it is because he's black. No, it's not.
It's just simply not the case. Lamar Jackson is black,
is athletic, and some people believe ultimately he'll have to

(47:16):
switch positions because he's so athletic and so inaccurate as
a quarterback. Terrell Prior did, in fact switch positions. He
is in fact black, but he didn't switch positions because
he was black. He switched position because it wasn't a quarterback.

(47:37):
This wasn't there are to say there are thirty two
guys in the world that can play quarterback in the
NFL again, is kind of being disingenuous. There's probably twenty,
and then there's that can be backups. And so when

(47:57):
you look at the Seneca walls up the world, that's
that's who he's like. Look, he's a freak athlete, the
crazy athlete. And I I think sometimes we take the
idea of switch. I pointed out Tim Tebow the reason
he not in the league. We had to play baseball.
So did you want to switch positions? Eric Crouch came
out of Nebraska option quarterback and need to switch Did

(48:19):
you want to switch positions? Remember that what we just
completely Well, we're not gonna do it because they're they're white.
We're not gonna offer up a discuss. That's dumb. If
you really think, like I've I've yet to meet a
football guy who's trying to find his next quarterback who

(48:40):
has racial stereotypes holding him back from drafting Lamar Jackson
like that is. Do I think racism occurs? Sure, I
think it still occurs. I think it's a lot more
limited than, hopefully than it used to be. I think
what happens is that it's it's like the remember Charlotte's
film Charleson was awful, right, but those of those people

(49:02):
who are black people are Jewish though that Charlets fell,
like kkk rallies have happened for years, and you're kind
of torn. I think in the media, right, do you
cover it or do you not? If you don't cover
it, it it doesn't give it any kind of credibility. But
if you if you don't cover it, like you should
cover it so people understand that this, these types of

(49:25):
thoughts and feelings, even if they're just a small portion
of people, still exist, still exists, and it should we
should try and eradicate it. We should try, you know,
we should try and ultimately eradicated from our thought, from
our society if possible. I think it's impossible to all

(49:46):
together do away with racism. But the more you but
the more you embarrassed people who are racist because the
thought that you don't like somebody, or you have a
judgment somebody simply because the color of their skin is
just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard, ever heard. Um.

(50:12):
But those types of things have They've occurred in the past,
So I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. I think
it's far more limited than it used to be. It's
just more broadcast than it used to be. But I
don't believe that anybody who runs an NFL team is
a racist. I think it'd be really, really, really hard

(50:34):
to do your job, especially considering it doesn't matter what
color you are. Just find a quarterback, dude, we just
need a quarterback. And for Ryan Clark or anybody black
white analysts to say that this has to do with
Lamar Jackson being black, stop it. Stop it. You're starting

(50:55):
something that doesn't exist. Lamar Jackson, we don't know if
he'll be a good NFL quarterback because he is inaccurate,
not because he's black. He could switch positions because he's
a great athlete, not because he's black. Julian Edelman was
a college quarterback, wasn't he? Rich Gannon switched positions. He
was drafted as the defensive back and moved to quarterback.

(51:15):
We just like Cordell Stewart, was a slash and he could.
He never refined himself as a quarterback, but he found
himself in the type of career he still does. Media
still does media now. Lamar is smaller, but quicker, faster,
I think than Cordell Stewart, not as thick as Cordell.
Stewart has had a more decorated career and far as

(51:38):
winning a Highsman trophy, although Cordell had a more successful
career in winning games at Colorado. But there's some similarities there, right,
Cordell Stewart could remember the miracle against Michigan. There's like
seventy yards seventy two yards in the air. Lamar Jackson,
same thing. Be like, well, he's got a strong arm,
Like nobody cares. Can you throw accurate un neath stuff

(52:00):
you couldn't throw long yeshore? But like, look, Alex Smith
doesn't have half the arm of Lamar Jackson, but he's
super accurate, and he's also a very very good athlete,
and he's safe and he's smart and he makes the
right decision. I think there's a ceiling there because he
won't do what Lamar could do throw the ball downfield,
but he wins a lot of regular season games because
he's dead. The accurating doesn't turn the football over. I

(52:24):
just I get. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist and
that the racial stereotypes don't exist, but quarterback in the
NFL like everybody just searching for a quarterback. They don't
really care. And I actually look at it as a
what's what's the people wanted to think that you're diminishing

(52:47):
Lamar Jackson by saying you might want to think about
switching positions. I actually think that tells you just how
athletic he is. See, I don't think Tim Tebow could
have switched positions because I think Tim Tebow in a
forty time was fast. But Tim Tebow wasn't, didn't have
great feet, was a bad athlete within the pocket. And
I don't and I don't think he had the type

(53:08):
of athleticism that would translate to being a tight end
or to being an h BAC that people are fullback
that people wanted to make him into. He is skinny,
I don't know how tall he is. He has been
wildly inaccurate, and while playing for a quarterback guru, he's improved,

(53:29):
but it's not like he's completing six passes. We're talking
about None of this discussion has anything to do with
anything other than facts and facts are not stereotypes. Facts
are not racist. Facts or facts and for Ryan Clark,
a guy who built himself on a very good career

(53:50):
as a safety and now has been a really good
analyst at ESPN. I think it's embarrassing to basically point
out that the only reason Lamar Jackson's being asked to
switch positions because he's black. He's been asked to pop
potentially switch positions because you're like, how might you want
to make it in this league? Like Terrell Prior started

(54:12):
for a while with the Raiders, they realized he wasn't
good enough. Part of it was because of injuries. Remember
the injuries the quarterbacks before the Raiders were the worst
team in the league. And then he becomes a wide receiver.
He plays with Cleveland. Now he's playing with the Washington Redskins.
And would Terrell Prior be further along as a wide
receiver had he converted to wide receiver when he first
got in the league, Like, there's time, It takes time

(54:37):
to refine yourself, and there is the concern that um
in the during the time in which it's gonna take
Lamar Jackson to be a a decent quarterback in the NFL,
that time could be better spent being a great wide
receiver because he's a free cathletic. He's not a good

(55:00):
he's a great athlete, and he's not a great athlete
because he's black. He's a great athlete who happens to
be black. Anyway, I'm not missing this, m I my, my, my, missing,
my missing somebody who's calling Lamar Jackson out, who's pointing
on this out because they have some sort of racial

(55:21):
bias against African American quarterbacks, Like I don't think so
hit me up on Twitter at Gotolip show. Um. Bill
Selft's gonna join us up coming next. They just beat
Oklahoma by thirty. They're once again tied atop the Big Twelve,
a chance to win their four consecutive Big Twelve title.

(55:43):
I want to ask him about Davonte Graham, the amazing
season career that he's had. I want to ask him
about the player of the Year candidate, his player there, Candiscy,
what he thinks about Trey Young. I want to get
to how he of values winning the league championship versus
winning in March and this is best coaching job ever.
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(57:29):
Doug gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's a Hall of
Famer man. That that just feels different to say, right
when a guy you've known for twenty years is a
Hall of famer's Bill Selfie joins us on the Doug
Gotlieb Show. Bill, thanks so much for taking time. I
know you've got a super super busy day getting ready
for to watch Texas Tech play tonight. You guys play
on this weekend huge game, decide the Big twelve. Uh,

(57:51):
let me go back to the start of the season.
If I were to sit you down and ask you
how do you think it's gonna go? And forget about
not having real preston all the other things that have
have taken place, what would your perception be, or made
perspective be, on how this season would play out? Well,
you know, when the start of the season, we thought

(58:12):
we had Billy so so uh, you know, we went
from being a team that you know could play small,
but a team that you know, I had a sixteen
and as you know, to sixteen guys on the front line,
one of them so skilled that can play it together.
So so are our thinking was that and then uh,
and then we got small real quick whenever um uh,

(58:35):
you know, Billy was was not eligible to compete, and
so so the situation was, you know, how do we
kind of piece it together till we get until we
get them back? Uh? And we actually played pretty well early.
We had some good wins, and we were literally inconsistent.
And then when you're not turned up and you're as
small as you know, Doug, you know, then size becomes

(58:57):
a bigger factor. And we got whipped on the glass
and and didn't play with the same energy I think
with through a through a short stretch and and got
our butts beat. Arizona State put it on us pretty good,
and Washington beat us in Kansas City and and but
we kind of regrouped, um and got it kind of
back together, and then then we didn't play fad but
we didn't play great you know, early in the in

(59:19):
the Big twelve season, and got beat a couple of
times at home, and so so we put ourselves in
a position where where winning the league would be the
hardest it's ever been for us to do it. And
of course this year is this year going to Texas
Tech on Saturday is is a primary reason why, because
they're so good and they got us at home. Still,
but but it's been a good year. But it's it's

(59:39):
been it's been a little frustrating because we we've relied
too much on if we make shots, were good. If
we don't make shots, we were not as good. And
I've always thought the key to winning was making other
teams play bad. And so you know, hopefully we're getting
that mindset back a little bit. The last two games
we've actually defended very well. It's actually really hard though,
Like I talked with the Duke coaches and you know

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they would never say so, maybe publicly, but probably, Like look,
part of it is when you have no depth. You know,
players aren't dumb the one they don't want to come out,
but to they understand. Once you get to the bench,
it becomes a completely different ballgame. And so you know,
especially a call here, a call there can dramatically change
the game. Like you don't want to give kids excuses

(01:00:21):
for not guarding, but sometimes if you don't guard, it
allows you to stay on the court longer, which you know,
defeats what you wanted to defensively, but does keep your
your your best players on the floor. Right, So there
is kind of that that pull of coach, I want
to guard for you. I'd like to play the way
Kansas has always played. But if I get called for
two fouls and I gotta sit down, that hurts the

(01:00:41):
team just as much as not guarding. Here it's a team. Well,
that's exactly right, it's a it's a fine line. I
remember when I was in Illinois, and you may remember
we had my first year there, we had uh, Brian Cook,
Marcus Griffin, Damerica Polia, Robert Archibald, Nick Smith. I mean,
you had had five guys that are certainly, you know,

(01:01:01):
all kind of the same type players. Brian was obviously
the most talented of of the group. But but you
know that that you know between six and nine and
seven three, and you could just put them out there
and play and and and usually you liked it if
a guy got two fouls in the first half, because
that gave you a reason to put the other guys
in so nobody could be pissed at you after the
game because you didn't get a much chance to play.

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I mean, those those were the that's one of the
advantages of depth and and and when you don't have much.
You know, the whole thing is when you when you
tell your your your your your center, you know, hey,
don't waste one early or or if you can't, if
you know you can't get it early, you know, you
go ahead and let them have that one or something.
You know that that's not the right mindset. Defensively, you know,
defensively say you we're going to get a stop at

(01:01:44):
all costs. And and sometimes with no depth you you
you you preach it, uh and you say it, but
deep down are you actually enforcing it? And so uh,
I do think that's a good point. I mean, being
being being able to really pressure and get after people
without fouling is certainly uh difficult to do. And so
we kind of backed off a little bit, uh, you know,

(01:02:06):
just to make sure we keep the our best players
in the game. You know, it's it's fascinating to me
obviously during this run, Um you talk about this sometimes
on how you know the really good years. Obviously you
feel like you can win a national championship, but the
key to it is on the years in which you're
not as You're not as talented, you're not as loaded.
Just if you win twenty five games um on a

(01:02:26):
on a quote unquote down year for Kansas, that's kind
of the secret sauce if you will, anybody can win
thirty when you're you know, you're throwing and bead and
and wig and you know pro after pro out there.
That's a year in which you know, had you been healthy,
you probably could have won the whole thing. It's it's
years like this. So I guess the question is for you,
you're in the Hall of Fame, you want a national championship,

(01:02:47):
you want a row? Is this more or less fun?
Having a piecemeal things welcoming into Susan mid season like
it's been different than any is it? Is it more
fun or or less fun to do it this way?
I Well, I'd say winning is the most fun, so
regardless of how you get their, winning is the most fun.
But I I would say that this is both. This

(01:03:09):
has been the the least fund in some ways only
because I felt like that that we haven't given ourselves
the best chance. Uh uh when we haven't been good. Um,
you know, from an energy standpoint and a competitiveness standpoint. Uh,
you know, I also believe that that it could be
the most fun we've had because when we do that,

(01:03:31):
I mean, you know, it's fun to kind of taker
and mess around and and and do that when you've
got four skilled guys around a really good big I
mean that's also fun. So so I'd say it's been both.
You know, this is you know this, this has been
uh interesting year in college basketball for a plethora of reasons.
And everybody knows that. But but but certainly on the court,

(01:03:52):
there's just there's just not dominance like we've seen in
years past. Now, there's some some terrific teams. I mean,
you've got Michigan State, Villanova, Xavier, Virginia. I mean there
are some terrific teams. But there's there's but there's there's
more treating more. There's more good teams that have a
chance to become terrific than there are actually terrific teams.

(01:04:13):
And and uh, I certainly think that's what's going to
make this tournament so crazy. Davante has been kind of amazing, right.
I mean, here's the kid who we go back to
the story he was going to app State, he gets
out of it, he comes comes to you, and I
mean whatever your level of expectations, Uh, I mean, he's
exceeded kind of every one of them. And I don't

(01:04:34):
know if people realize everything seven rebounds of game is
a point guard is crazy. And then what he was
able to do defensively the other night to Trey Young
was was remarkable. Um, you've had some good ones. I
know you were tired Shron Collins number the other night.
You used to call Hi your fat point guard. But
you've got a lot of mileoge out of that fat
point guard. Um. I know, how how would you to

(01:04:56):
to somebody who doesn't see Davante day in day out
and hasn't seen his growth as a player at Kansas.
How how would you kind of explain the DeVante Graham story. Well,
you know, he he DeVante is a good player. He's
he signed with at Stake, but but you know, decided
to go to prep school because you know, he he
kind of blew up his senior year after he signed

(01:05:17):
and fortunately for us, we were able to get him
after that. And but but what Davante is first and
foremost as a leader. Uh, you know, he's unbelievable leader
last year on a team with Josh Jackson and Frank
Mason because he deferred to let Frank do his deal.
And and it wasn't that he wasn't talented enough to
do it. And he's shown signs that he could be
the best player on the court any night. But but

(01:05:39):
but but he's done this year though as far as talking,
taking responsibility for everything coaching, uh, and and he has
to be the guy to to to to uh finish
every player with the pass. He gets very few things
off the cash. Most of the stuff he gets is
off the balance because you know, he's really the only
true creator pastor that we have. Know, we put a

(01:06:00):
lot on his plate and he's flaying forty minutes every game. Uh,
I thought I thought it was. I think he's had
a fabulous year. Sometimes the stats shooting percentages are off
a little bit, but I think a point guard should
be just with one of one stad one stad only,
and that's just wins and losses. And and he's certainly
done a terrific job for us and the percentage of
defensive possessions in which he guards, considering how many minutes

(01:06:24):
he's playing, is is to be the remarkable part. Yeah,
he's you know, it's it's it's Uh, we were able
to take him out the other day when Trey came out.
Trey came out for two minutes. So we take him
out for two minutes. That that that's it. That's the
only time that he's come out. And and Saturday, he
you know, he gets a chance to go against you know,
a guy that I think is definitely a candidate for
Big twelve Player of the Year and Keenan Evans and

(01:06:45):
and that should be a fun matchup. That'll be two
really tough senior guards that know how to win and
getting after each other. Um, the league, obviously, everybody talks
about the depth, but then when the when everybody stepped
out of league and played the A C C, the
league didn't fare nearly as well. Um, how would you
how would you kind of and and look, everybody kind

(01:07:08):
of promotes their league and defends their league, and like, look, obviously,
having played in the league and knowing you guys, I
have great respect for the league, but how how would
you describe this league as opposed to the other teams
you have seen, because you played some of the top
teams across the country, how would you describe this league
in comparison. I think I think I think our league
are the teams in our league can certainly beat and

(01:07:31):
compete with the best teams in the other leagues. But
I will say this and and this is this is
this is not a knock. I just think it's a fact. Uh,
our league is is so balanced. You know, you can
say from top to middle. You can't say top to bottom,
you know, top to middle. If uh, if you can
imagine Iowa State and Oklahoma State right now, uh being

(01:07:54):
in in in in ninth and tenth place where where
you if you plug them into other leagues, you know
that they're there. I mean they're definitely fighting for upper
half or better, uh in in in most other leagues.
I mean they've been there. They're good and certainly Oaklahoma
State wore us out pretty good on our floor, so
so uh. But but our league does not give the

(01:08:14):
appearance of being top heavy. And I think that I
think usually people equate the best leagues with the ones
that are top heavy. In bottom heavy so you get
maybe six wins, you know you're gonna go five and
oh or six and oh against against maybe the very bottom,
which definitely kind of uh embellishes your record a little bit.
And in our league, a uh a fourteen and four

(01:08:37):
is guaranteed to win it up outright, thirteen and five will,
you know, could very easily get a piece of it.
And and you think about whether you think the teams
can't be great if they've had that many losses, and
I certainly understand that. And we when we stepped out
a league and played the SEC Challenge, uh, you know,
they beat A six to four, and but I'm not
sure that's a true indication either. I mean, that's but
but but because you because some of the bottom teams

(01:08:59):
in that league got cut out of that thing, right,
But well, I don't know, I mean not excuses. We
just didn't perform that day. We didn't have a good
day as a league. But the bottom line is it's
it's also one day too and so many people may
make stuff out of that. But but but they did
beat us, so so you know they deserved the credit
for that. But but our league is our league is

(01:09:19):
the deepest, it's ever been, and certainly I think it's
is the best it's ever being. It will be the
hardest league that we've ever been in to try to win.
But I still don't know that we have a team
that would be you know, expected or predicted, uh to
go to a Final four. I mean, but we have
about four or five teams that, if they get hot,
are capable of getting all the way to San Antonio. Yeah,

(01:09:41):
it's interesting, you know. I know that you want to
be judged based upon what you do in the n
c A tournament, but this could be a year, for example,
which let's say you do lose Saturday in Lovock, right,
and you don't win the league. On the other hand,
you could end up going further in the n c
A tournament and someone said, well you had a great
and and look it can there in the challenges. It
would be a great year, right. Simply surviving would be

(01:10:04):
a great year. But how do you how do you
balance the postseason success with the regular season success in
a year like this as opposed to I bring up
the m bid year. Is the is the example to
me because had he been healthy and obviously he wasn't
then what he is now, But still a dominant presence
him and Wig. You guys go to the sweet sixth team,

(01:10:24):
maybe Final four with that team, but with an injury.
People say, well, you know, Kansas comes up short in
the n s a term. You're like, no, that's not
really what happened there. How how do you how do
you have you found the thought of balancing that this
year you might not win the league, but you might
go further. And people will, I think, misjudge your season
based upon what you do in the postseason. Well, if
we go further, I mean I'd sell out for that

(01:10:45):
right now, there's no question, and I do. I do
think your your your non conferences is pells in comparison
and importance to your conference. But I also believe your
conference season isn't as important as your postseason. But the
one thing that we all do. And if you you
know you're playing in the in the Big I don't know,
were you ever in the Big twelve? You're old? I'm

(01:11:08):
not old. Okay, so so you were you were? You
were in the Big twelve. But but still you based
your season, uh, in of all the camps in America
going into it on how you do against your peers,
how you do against the ones that you know you
have to compete against, you have to recruit against the
ones you're gonna play twice a year. That that's how

(01:11:30):
people view their season. I don't think people view their seasons,
you know, based on UH, well, I got this one
opportunity to play a team and no late November, if
we win that game, it's gonna be a good year.
But people will all say if we, if we, you know,
win a league, that's a good year. You cannot take
U League championship UH and say it was not a

(01:11:52):
good year. If you if if you did that, it's
a good year regardless of who you are. But in
order to make it great, you gotta play well in
the NC Double A tournament. And then in order to
make it special, you gotta you gotta live up to
every expectation and and and you know we've done that
at times. UH. Coaches more than anybody know what the
the the uh the expectations should be or that they

(01:12:13):
should have on their team based on They know talent,
they know how how it meshes they they know the
strengths of their team, they know their weaknesses, they know
how to camouflage them. All those things, and and and
and for for fans or whoever to say, well, he
had a bad year, they got beat here that that
you're right, that's not necessarily a true indication. Or for
fans to say, hey, they had a great year, they

(01:12:34):
won this game. Uh in advanced you know that's not
really true either. I think the biggest thing is you
just don't put emphasis so much on on uh on
on the immediate result. You put emphasis on the process,
as as Joe Is said a thousand times and and
and let it take care of itself. I mean, I

(01:12:55):
was with coach Sutton. He was with coach and I
don't remember him talking about we gotta win this game
or we gotta do this. You know what we gotta do.
We gotta prepare, write and hope like chick it works
out and and uh but but the emphasis on the
n C Double A Tournament is real. Uh media has
made it that way. It should be that way. It's
it's crowning a national championship. But that should not take
away from regular season success in your conference. All right,

(01:13:17):
last day, I know you're super busy and you gotta go. Um,
but I'm I'm always fascinated by by changes in in
a sport, and I feel like we're in the process
of a dramatic change, or maybe some of the change
has been subtle. I mean the per example is you
go back to when you were at Tulsa and small ball, like, hey,
you're planning Eric Coley at the four and you guys

(01:13:39):
go to the Lade eight. You're one of the top
two or three teams in the country, like you you've
always played three guards and then kind of people kind
of came around to it this year. Obviously you're playing
for you know, out of necessity as much as anything else. Um. Additionally,
there's been kind of a change in recruiting, like, look,
how many transfers you have the Lawson boys sitting out.
You had Sam kun left of course sitting out last year.

(01:14:00):
It feels like there's a there's a change, kind of
almost an evolution in terms of even the top level
programs are having to take transfers because kids, if they
don't play immediately, they want to leave, or they if
they're any good, they go to the NBA, and so
you're you're left with the older teams win. The deeper
teams have a tendency to win their leagues and small

(01:14:21):
ball is the norm, not the exception. What are your
thoughts on where college basketball is going, both recruiting and
personnel wise. Well, I think I think small ball is
a norm. But if you look at last year's two
find the last year's two finals, maybe the two biggest
teams in America play for the championship. So so I

(01:14:41):
with Gonzaga in Carolina, so so I I do think
this this small ball and playing four round one. If
you know, if you've got a four man that can,
that can rebound, defend the post, and stretches shooting the three,
you know, you know, in theory, that's the perfect scenario.
Uh but but you know they're they're of things that
are changing. The transfers. There's there's more of them. And

(01:15:03):
you you you uh you said some of the reasons,
you know, uh, immediate success or or or uh uh
you know, just you know, going to a place and
and you don't you don't pick a school anymore based
on this where I want to get my degree. You
pick a school many times, Hey, this is where I
want to go to school because I can play immediately,
and uh, you know, I'm not sure that that's that's healthy. Uh,

(01:15:27):
we have taken some transfers, but the biggest reason why
we've taken transfers is not because we've set out to
do it, is because we didn't get the primary guys
we wanted. And if you don't get the primary guys
we wanted, and you think that the ones you can
get aren't difference makers, why wouldn't you consider setting a
guy out there could be a difference maker immediately when
he becomes eligible. So so I think there's a there's

(01:15:48):
there's some different philosophies going on, but still the best formula,
I think is to recruit freshmen, have them be in
your program as long as they can be until they
are ready to leave, even then immediately when they're ready
to leave. Obviously if it's one year of three years,
you know they need to do so. Yeah, I mean, look,
what's Fee has been able to do staying as a
seventeen year old freshman and now matriculating. Look, Davante has

(01:16:11):
been able to do, and they've had marvelous careers. We'll
see if it ends in another Big twelve title. I've
taken up way too much of your time. Look forward
to catching up at your fantasy camp. Hopefully beforehand as well.
We're gonna win the championship this year. I just want
to know I'm loading the team up this year. I've
already already said, set in place a plan to steal,
to make steals in the draft. We'll talk soon, Okay, okay,

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March two and now Rich Eisen Show, which proceeds Our
Show on some of these premier sports. Fox Sports Radio
family of networks had this to say about a possible
rule change in Major League Baseball. There is a rule

(01:19:43):
that has been whispered discussed, Megan. I am not familiar
as to how close this would be to reality, but
there are some who are discussing this. Baseball is truly
the only sport where game on the line, final inning,
any other sports, final seconds. Baseball is the only sport where,

(01:20:06):
by mere randomness and happenstance because of a batting order,
the best players are not out on the field with
the game on the line. Potentially you're down by two
ninth inning, you've got seven, eight, nine up, and that's
the way it's right, and you can pinch hit. But

(01:20:26):
sometimes your best hitters are not coming off the bench
because your best hitters are your three four hitters, who,
because of randomness, are not up with the game on
the line. Here's the rule change. In the ninth inning,
ninth inning only, not eighth inning, not seventh, not extras.
Ninth inning only, you are allowed to send up to

(01:20:49):
the plate as your first three hitters, whoever you want. Yeah,
that's that's not gonna happen. Ever. Ever, it took Baseball
like thirty years of replay to go like, yeah, you
know what, we'll put replay in, which doesn't change the
core aspects of the game. Changing the batting order changes

(01:21:12):
the sport dramatically, completely changes the sports dramatically. You can
buy the way you don't. You can, in fact, have
your best players guaranteed it first, second, third, fourth, fifth,
in the ninth inning, in any any you want. You
simply use take them keep out, and he'll use this.
Pinch hitters, bench hitters, like, Look, baseball has rules that

(01:21:37):
are specific to baseball. That's what makes it baseball. You're
not changing that. It's like the NBA going, you know, um,
what I think we need to do is eliminate the
foul out rule because you know, in summer leagues, NBA
summer league, they used to have you get a seven
a six foul and you want to stay in it's
a technical foul, and every subsequent foul it's a technical

(01:22:00):
foul and the ball and so yes, you can keep
playing through it because it's more about seeing guys play
than it is about fouling out. You can't do that
regular game because art of foul trouble. And like the NBA,
you can have times which you don't have your best
players on the floor. The NFL the same thing. But
Malcolm Butler intercepted the past against Russell Wilson at the

(01:22:22):
end of the Super Bowl. Malcolm Butler the best player
in the Patriots, the best player Patriots on the sideline.
So this stands. This is to me as a baseball
like And by the way, has anyone ever said, you know,
it's not an interesting in baseball the bottom of the
ninth thing. We need to make away in which the
bottom of the ninth thing is interesting. So no one

(01:22:44):
has ever said that this rule is not changing. God
bless Rich Eyesing, because somebody in the front office major
League Baseball has an idea. And look, there are no
bad ideas. This is just an idea which would completely
change the core aspect of what the sport is and
because of it, it'll never happen. What say, Skip Bayl

(01:23:08):
has had this to say on Anthony Davis, and I
know you can say he doesn't have enough help, he
doesn't have this, But I'll go back to your man
Lebron James. There have been many times when Lebron didn't
have enough help in his first go around in Cleveland,
but they won a bunch of games. So I look,
I believe in DeMarcus a little more than I believe
in Anthony. But if I combine these two guys, they've

(01:23:31):
played fourteen combined NBA seasons, They've played a combined nine
one games. They're going on a thousand games in the
regular season. I guess how many playoff wins they have
between them. Zero? Because Anthony played one series going back
three years ago against Golden State before it was really
Golden State, and he got swept and he put up

(01:23:52):
good numbers, but he got swept up big numbers. I
get it. So now he's the only number one overall
pick in NBA history who is winless in the postseason
so far, and again does have a long way to go. Sure,
he's got a long way to go, but neither And
obviously Marcus was stuck in Sacramento, and you said he
didn't have enough help. I just don't know if either

(01:24:12):
one of these guys at their position is that guy
who changes everything. So for me, and I hate to
be too critical of Anthony because I do like him
a lot personally, but given his numbers, given the numbers
he can put up, and given his player efficiency rating,
he's the most overrated player in basketball to me because
he doesn't have anything to show for Listen, he didn't

(01:24:34):
he didn't have Drew Holiday in the in the series,
two games in the series against the war He's not
surrounded by a great team. I do think he's overrated.
If you think he's a superstar, I think he's He
would be a great second star on a great team,
and he's a star on his own team, but having
a well, well run enough team to really put them

(01:24:55):
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Do do do? Mm hmm? So much to get Tom,

(01:25:22):
so much to get to um, Look, we we we
have this story. We have story Doug Otlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming from the city of Los Angeles, where
we're just like you were, reacting to a weird couple
of things that have happened on a day in which um,
there's supposed to be no NBA discussion, right, it's supposed

(01:25:45):
to be getting ready for the second half of the season.
And we're coming off of a feel good All Star game.
That's what we're getting to, a feel good All Star game.
And in that feel good All Star game, Lebron James
wins it. The players play harder they had and they
had played previously. There was this assumption that it was

(01:26:10):
a recruiting weekend for just for Lebron, but for everybody
in the sport. Hey listen, if if your contract is up,
come to l A. We want to welcome you. The
game play was good, amends were made between Kyrie Irving
and Lebron. Between Kevin Durant and Lebron, Lebron's team one

(01:26:31):
fairly competitive, fairly close game. He wins the m v P.
All is right with the world, Lebron. Even have you
guys seen the video of him going up to Dr J.
You've seen him going up to Bill Russell, going up
to uh to Creme, Abdul Jabar. They're all sitting next
to each other at the All Star Game, and he

(01:26:52):
went up to hug them and thanked them all on
Jerry West hugged him and thanked them all like the
guy handled himself with complete and total class. Tip of
the cap to the previous generation, right, maybe, actually that's
the previous generation's previous generation. Um. And then yesterday there

(01:27:17):
was the story about Mark Cuban that we focused on,
which is when he violated the first rule of tank
club when he talked about tanking and on Dr Jay's
podcast said, I told my guys were better off losing.
This is the last time we're doing it, but we're tanking,
which I understand he had said it previously, but there's

(01:27:42):
a difference between telling the world that you're better off
losing and telling your actual players you're better off losing.
And this is the LaVar bal issue with the Lakers.
The league had clearly told him to stop talking about it,
and he kept talking about it. He said he was
star struck that he was, you know, seeing Dr j A,
and he spoke, Um, he shouldn't have said what he said.

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Then last night the Bombshell drops, which Sports Illustrated publishing
an investigative story about the culture of misogyny and predatory
sexual behavior. Cuban said he was unaware of the gruesome
details of the two thousand and twelve domestic dispute between
some guy named Earl Snead who had two separate domestic
violence incidents, both against people on the staff, both against

(01:28:32):
people he was dating. I want to be clear of
not putting blame on anybody else, Cuban told ESPN, and
came down to my final decision that I made. I
would have fired him and still made him go to
counseling after learning the details of the first domestic violence incident.
It was bad, but we made a mistake about the

(01:28:52):
whole thing. We didn't pursue what happened with the police
after the fact, so we got it mostly after Earl's perspective,
and we didn't dig in with the details. Obviously. It
was a horrible mistake in hindsight. We kind of, I
don't want to say take his word for it, but
we didn't see the groom screw some details until recently,
and I didn't read the piece of police report on
that until Tuesday. That was a huge mistake. Sneed was

(01:29:16):
also involved in the domestic dispute in two thousand fourteen
with a co worker who's his living girlfriend. Sports Hills
stared reporter. The woman's face was swollen when she went
to work. She repoured the incident to her supervisor and
human resources director Buddy Pittman, who was suspended this week. Cuban,
who was rarely present at the Mass Business Office excepts
fault for the decision to keep Sneed on staff after

(01:29:38):
that incident as well. Quote when the second time came around,
the way I looked at it was and again in hindsight,
it was a mistake. I didn't want to just fire
him because he would go out there and get hired
again and do it, do it somewhere else. That's what
I was truly afraid of. That the discussion we had internally,
it was a choice between firing him and making sure
we had control of him. So I made the decision.

(01:30:00):
It was my decision. Again, in hindsight, I probably do
it differently. I made the decision that we make him
go to domestic abutance counseling as a requirement to continued employment,
that he was not allowed to be alone with without
a chaperone in the presence of another woman in the
organization or any other woman in a business setting, and
he was not allowed to date anybody who works for

(01:30:20):
the Mavericks from that point on, and as the investigators
are going to see if we missed anything, he appeared
to abide by those rules as far as I knew
he m So. Look, I understand that that Mark Cuban
looks bad. I understand that he didn't do enough. And

(01:30:45):
I do think the sentence of if we were to
fire him, he would go out, he would go to
somewhere else sits as a really weird sentence. So do
I think he's fallible in this? Yeah? But I also think,
and this is a hard one, do you believe in

(01:31:09):
the good in people? And do you or do you
believe in the bad people? Which is it? I've worked
at three different places, Um, one of the places I
I worked in all were generally run by good men
and women, mostly by men, And this is a big

(01:31:30):
issue is who you run by? Right? Um? But I
think that most people believe in the good and other people.
And then what somebody says, I got a problem, I
need help, You're like, right, Like, imagine yourself. You're in

(01:31:53):
a conversation and somebody says, hey, I was raised by
abusers and I've become an abuser myself. I don't even
like myself. I don't like what I've done to help
me get help. And you want to think everybody wants
to think that it's easy to fire people. It's the
hardest part of being a manager. Right you're fired somebody

(01:32:14):
I haven't like. I don't even have the heart to
give negative feedback unless I, hey, do you really really
want construction? And I would never do it in the
presence of anybody else because I would never want one
of our bosses to think I think anything negatively about anybody.
Now I might prevent somebody from being hired. And even then, boy,
it's a hard one. What do you think of so

(01:32:36):
and so one? Because I don't know what my boss
thinks of them? And then too, I don't want anybody
to be prevented from opportunity. And three, I do know
that people should have a chance to evolve on things.
I think where I have a problem is Cuban knew
he had hit a woman or alleged to have hit
a woman or done something to a woman before, and

(01:32:58):
then when he does it again. The idea that you
can employ somebody who you believe it enough to be
an employee, but don't believe it enough to be alone
with a woman in the workplace, like how do you
have somebody? How do you hire that person? So I
think there's a lot of believability to it, and I
think there's also I've talked about this a bunch with

(01:33:20):
Tiger Woods, not domestic abuse, but see Tiger Woods came
up in the era when Michael Jordan was married. But
no one thought Michael Jordan was married, right, there's a
long It was a poorly kept secret that Michael Jordan's
was apparently told you need to get married by the NBA,

(01:33:43):
had kids, but he was the biggest star on the planet,
and there were things that Michael Jordan's did away from
his home with Chicago that went unspoken. And as before
the years of t MCS, before the National Enquirer inquired
about athletes, and I used Jordans because he's the most prominent,

(01:34:05):
but there are plenty of other athletes who have since
been exposed to their significant others or whatever exposed And
we don't but there was an era to up that
we didn't care. We can't care what our athletes did,
We can't care how married they were, who was cheating
on who? And Tiger was post Bill Clinton, after Bill

(01:34:30):
Clinton the President United States, and what happened with him,
and you know, the the telling half truths fought out
lying about Monica Lewinsky to the American people. Suddenly we
started to care, and Tiger got caught in in between.
Eras when he first got married, nobody cared whether or

(01:34:51):
not he went home with Ellen every night or he
woke up next to every night. But by the time
the National Inquirer got the story he was he was
so far gone he was cooked. Right. I think the
same thing here with Mark Cuban. I'm sure there are
hundreds of of important businesses that have bleeding hearts as

(01:35:14):
their presidents, that want to believe in their employees, want
to believe in change, want to believe they need mental
health care or they need to go see a psychologist.
They believe in the good of people, the evolution of people,
to change in people, and that they can be a
steward of that change. But now we care, right now
we care. Now we're sitting there going wait, a second

(01:35:34):
woman shows up at work with a swollen face, and
whether Mark Cuban's there are not there, like, how do you?
How can you be the the HR director. A woman
shows up at work with a swollen face and says,
another guy who she works with, who she lives with,
hit her. And this is not the first time. You
know his history. And you're like, all right, well, we'll

(01:35:56):
get some counseling. How do you how do you do that?
We care? Now we were in between eras and what happened.
I would say, first with the ray Rice thing, and honestly,
I think the video. I've always always said this about
the Ray Rice deal. The video is awful. And yes,

(01:36:19):
the NFL should have investigated, should have seen the video,
and they seen the video, they wouldn't have been two games.
And once people saw the video, he was never gonna
play football again. But that's what domestic violence looks like.
So what it looks like. And that was the moment
to which we started to decide to care, because we
hear domestic violence and we think of it as something

(01:36:41):
from a movie, you know where oh, you know, that's
just in the culture. And they and now we're like, no,
you know what, that's unacceptable. Look at this is what
it looks like. You watched Jena Rice go down, go
down hard, and she's laying out. He pulls her out
of the elevator and then he tries to sneak away
from the woman who's now his wife at the at

(01:37:02):
the elevator bay. That's the domestic violence looks like. And
that's the image that we have fair unfair of these accusations.
That what's meaning. But it's like and for Mark Cuban
to know these facts and to try and fix things
which I actually understand, Like I understand if you know
this guy, and I don't know why Earl Sneed is

(01:37:25):
worth is worth saving to be like, Look, I want
to save this guy. I believe in him. I believe
in his town more than anything. I believe him as
a human being. I don't want to ruin him. I'll
send him to counseling. I'll put all these and and
and like. But Mark Cuban has to understand, like we
care now we're in the me too generation or we're

(01:37:49):
in the meat me too, uh erra. And if you
if you cover up these things, if you allow perpetrators
of the crimes to continue being employed, you're you're part
of the problem. I don't think there's a culture with
the Dallas Mavericks. If there was, it would have somehow

(01:38:12):
been infested in the locker room with the coaches and
with the scouts, maybe even Cuban himself. None of them
have been accused of this. Is this poor management, yes,
is this lack of understanding with how it would be
viewed from the outside shore. This is when you need
to hire somebody outside. Hey, man, just pop in on this.

(01:38:33):
Let me just tell you the story, and you tell
me what you would do. But I also think that
Mark Cuban got caught in between generations. A generation of
will handle this stuff internally. We'll have somebody get counseling.
We'll try and fix it. Much like you wouldn't kick
out a drug abuser, you don't kick out a domestic abuser. Two. Now,
we care the workplace should be a safe environment. If

(01:38:54):
a man hits a woman, you gotta get rid of him.
You hope he gets therapy, but you can't allow him
to keep showing up at work and collecting a check
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One was the Dallas Mavericks. Um how much of what
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Jim Jackson. Of course, former Big Ten Player of the

(01:40:20):
Year covers the Big Ten, the Big East, the Big Three,
anything big plus played for twelve different NBA teams. Knows
both college and pro like the back of his hands.
Kind of to spend some time with this, uh JJ.
Obviously you're a former Maverick. This the story out of
Sports illustrated, while while disturbing and especially considering the front office,

(01:40:41):
they talk about locker room culture. On the other hand,
they said, like, look, when you go into locker room,
I was a safe haven. It actually makes I think players, coaches, scouts,
basketball people look like look beyond reproach in terms of
their ethics in comparison to some of the members of
the front office. What's your reaction to the piece, Well,
it was how the two kind of digest. But then

(01:41:04):
I put it in perspective in regards to when a
lot of these things took place back two thousand and ten,
two thousand eleven, you think about not only in sports,
but across corporate America within a lot of things come
out in regards to sexual harassing, the sexual assault, where
people young women and women went to HR filed the complaints,

(01:41:24):
and the kind of got brushed under the rug because unfortunately,
that was the mantra or that was the protocol you know,
backed in before things were being exposed. And that's unfortunate
because not only did it I think affect the of
course to the women involved, but I think it also

(01:41:44):
affected probably the health of the work environment, like it
would be if if something were going on in the
locker room that wasn't addressed accordingly, you know, and it's
it's a shame to that. You know, it takes to
an eight team when you know a lot of these
things coming to open with these women weren't believed or

(01:42:05):
told to kind of suck it up and take it.
And because that's the culture of it that, you know,
I think things weren't done according there. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's you know, it's it's interesting though, and it shows
I think some of the class that And look, I'm
not saying every basketball player is beyond approach everybody, but
I actually think it does speak highly about the players

(01:42:26):
in the NBA that the comments were the locker rooms
a safe haven, which goes counter to the idea of
locker room culture because it's obviously not the culture of
the man's locker room. Well no, and and again when
you when you read about the story, especially up in
the let's focused on the business office part of it
and what Cuban was saying in regards to and I

(01:42:48):
struggle with this because Marcus such a hands on god.
Doun you notice you're the owner, you control everything that
goes on you get your hand in everything. There's nothing
that doesn't go on in that office and that organization
that you don't know about. Okay, So at the end
of the day, when it's time for you to address something,
just like we tell a young man or a kid

(01:43:09):
that when you can't use I don't know as an excuse, okay,
well I didn't know how exactly bad it was. No,
when you're running an organization, a billion dollar organization, kind
of like the Mavericks or whatever it may be, you
know everything. If I got a CFO that's stealing money
and I'm hearing about it, I'm gonna take care of it,
you know, because and I got my hands. I may

(01:43:29):
not be in there every day. I mean I look
at the books every day, but it's gonna be brought
to my attention and then from there I'm gonna make
a decision on what I need to do. But I'm
very sure that if somebody was, you know, slicing off
a piece of the pie of money, that guy would
have been gone a long time ago within that organization,
because that's how Mark is. So I know Mark wants
to step up and say, you know, a lot of

(01:43:50):
it was his decision and he didn't dig deep into it,
he didn't think it. No, that's that's not an excuse
for not taking care of business because you're It's different
if you're a minority owner, Doug, you know, two three
percent owner that's really not involved and don't have control.
But when you've got controlled, and we know how Mark is,
it's no excuse for not digging in deeper and taking

(01:44:11):
care of that at that time. Okay, so what what
can they do? He just gott find six grand for
admitting that they're taking and for telling what I mean,
let's say on the grand as well dropping a book.
I understand. So what do you do? What do you like? What?
What is obviously has to be thoroughly embarrassed based upon
how he has has been portrayed and how he has
portrayed himself. What do you do if you Adam Silver?

(01:44:34):
What's what's the best course of action? Well it's two,
it's two courses of actually talking about one with the
taking incident. You're talking about one to sexual harassments part Okay,
the ball As suits come about, the court will handle
certain things, and I think the NBA don't has to
adhere to what happens after that, Okay, and really dig
into what happened for an office wise, what they can

(01:44:55):
immediately immediately do. And I don't know the the actual
BO laws in regards to the fines levy and what
could happen in regards to an owner speaking about tanking. Okay,
because you look at what they've done. They kind of
set down J. J. Boret To kind of set down
Curry and and also Dirt brought up to two Way

(01:45:17):
players and two guys from their G League team for
remaining forty five days twenty four games. So that tells
you a lot right there. You bring up four players
you know, near the end of the year. So, but
how many kinds are we coming across and extreaming intelligent
person that got controlled, that lets his mouth get in
the way to want to show how much in control
and power and forgets about the little things and how

(01:45:39):
the optics look when you say it we as an
internal person, I understand what you're saying, But as a player,
I'm looking at it like, Okay, so I'm running, I'm lifting,
I'm shooting, I'm putting an extra work. You're telling me
he would be a professional each and every day that
I come here and if I don't do that, then
I'm frowned upon it. If I slack off, I can

(01:46:00):
lose my job. But yetn't. Still you're coming out and
saying I'm looking out from a player perspective. You're coming
out saying that we're tanking. Come on. The problem is
is a reward in tanking. Bucks tanked, it worked, Sixers
tanked it worked. Celtics tanked it worked. Uh, you know,
it's like Celts tank three different times. The other two
it didn't work, but it did work the last time

(01:46:22):
they tanked Sixers. Yeah, we said, We've mentioned Sixers and
Bucks have also done. That's how they've acquired some of
this some of this young talent. My thing is, you
just can't. You can't say it. Um, you can say it, man,
you know, and players understand this too. Players understand the
latter part of the season that when you're not gonna
make the player's gonna be changes made. They understand that, Okay,

(01:46:44):
you've got guaranteed money, so you're you're good in regard
to that. But yet you know, as a player, especially
in today's world, that we're not winning, there's gonna be
some changes Okay, And if you've got a bread or
to the young team or some guys, they gotta figure
out who can play. The old guys are gonna play
near the end of the year. If you got high

(01:47:04):
draft picked, you know, the younger guys are gonna play,
and they're gonna use excuse, well, we gotta see if
these young guys can play. You know that. But it's
a difference when you come out and say it. And
I think that's where we're at right now. Um, look,
you you know all these NBA guys obviously covered the
Big Three play in the NBA for a long time. Uh,
what do you think we are with Lebron in Cleveland?

(01:47:26):
I know that in the short term re energized by
all the new all the new faces and how much
better they played the last two games. But long term,
is this a plan that will work? Wait? A lot
of people are talking about do the the legacy part
of le Bron's career? Okay? And what I happened. If
he goes to l A, Lakers and Clippers and doesn't

(01:47:48):
make the finals, it doesn't win, doesn't ruin his legacy. Okay,
I'm gonna say this. Do you remember a game play
for Toronto. I don't thank you. Now. Is he on
the same level as Lebron in regards to that. No.
Is he under the same kind of scrutiny. No, But
there've been players who left one situation that we thought

(01:48:13):
could never happen, like a Kim was just synonymous with Houston,
but his legacy is tied to Houston. In the short term,
you think about Lebron if he doesn't win, you know,
he kind of put Michael Jordan's Wizards time. We pushed
that away because he's still considered the greatest. Even though
the Wizard Time was to part it was okay. It

(01:48:34):
was okay because the average player he scored some points,
but we don't hold that against him long term. Right now,
we're digging into what we feel about Lebron today and
not years from that, and that's how we're trying to
judge it. So I don't I've learned with Lebron to
kind of just sit back and just hold your breath, bro,
because unless they can the Lakers can. If they go

(01:48:55):
away to get another superstar along with Lebron, which he
probably can negotiate, they still they still can't beat the Lakers.
Still can't beat I mean, not the Lakers, but Golden
State still can't beat Houston. Now with Lebron on that
team and makes it a different line of Paul George
or somebody I don't even Paul George, but somebody else. Okay,
that makes them more viable. But I just will Lebron

(01:49:18):
Gonna be honest with you, man, I've just learned to
kind of hold my breath a little bit and try
to take it in. Native of Ohio, two time Mr
Basketball State of Ohio Jimmy Jackson joining us on the
Doug Gotlic Show. Let's get to the college landscape. You've
seen every team in the Big Ten, every team in
the Big East. Um Bill know we had j right
on earlier this week. I think this team might have
more athletic talent and depth. Frankly at this point in

(01:49:42):
time with Phil Booth back tonight then even the national
championship team and I and I don't think that college
basketball is as strong as two years ago. Like I
kind of think this is the Nova team. And I
know they're the top five teams, that doesn't matter, but
I think they are completely legitimate and I'm a little
bit more concerned about the Virginia's of the world, who

(01:50:03):
I've seen this before. It's not a balanced schedule in
the A C C. And I feel like there's a
game in the tournament where they'll come up and they
can't score. How good is Villanova in comparison to the field? Well,
how about that? You know, Virginia like I doing. Tony
benn is a good friend of mine. How many times
have we seen? I had it when a few years
ago when Syricus made that run, when they made it,

(01:50:23):
you know, and they beat Virginia because late in the
stretch of the game, that's for Malcolm Brogden was there.
They put on the press in Virginia's offense start and
they're a little bit more offensively talent than they were
a few years ago, but they're still methodical and what
they do. So if they get behind over the close game,
a team that could that's explosive, can I think can
beat him. Here's the thing about vittle Nov. He's talked

(01:50:45):
about the versatility more athletic. Mari Spilman doesn't look athletic,
but he is. Eric Pascal at that four or five
position is extremely athletics. So what that does it allows
them to switch played multiple defenses. Okay, they can guard
on the perimeter. Jalen Brunson, who I think really creeped
up into the national Player of the Year conversation because

(01:51:05):
he's been so consistent. He's basically and I know you
appreciate this, he's a keef a coach on the court.
He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. You can trust
him in late game situation. But cal Bridges, I mean,
his development as an offensive player has been phenomenal. Plus
he can play defense, and and um Dante die Vincenzo
is an athletic guy that gives you a lot of energy.

(01:51:26):
And plus this team plays unselfish and they understand who
they are as a team, so you don't have two
or three guys trying to go rogue and do something
in not capable of doing. That's why I love Jay Rice.
See now again you watch him in the Big East,
and they, you know, come up again some games where
they lose well in conference play, teams sometimes struggle because
they know each other well. But in the one game

(01:51:47):
scenario on a neutral court, you put this team up
that's highly intelligent, that's athletic, and they've won before. It's
gonna be tough to beat him. Man Michigan stage survived
Perdue kind of a uh Miles Bridges hit a last
second shot to end up propelling them. A lot of
people trying to trying to figure out why Michigan State's
record isn't better. I think that's why the committee the

(01:52:09):
last time we saw him as a three seed, I
still view him as a favorite to reach the national title.
And I think that Izo has gone small I think
makes them even more likely to make that run. Where
are you in the Michigan State versus Perdue? And who
has the higher ceiling Michigan Michigan State and Perdue, who
has the higher ceiling Michigan State. Well, I think they're

(01:52:32):
They're much more versatile. And I talked about this at
the beginning. You thought Perdue would be the team that
could threaten Michigan State to you know, win the big tenant.
But the thing about Purdue, I think a lot of
teams figured out is this. Listen, Okay, if I just
if we don't double up Isaac had make and it
don't give Vincent Needworth, Carson Edwards, Dakota Mattahs these open looks. Okay,

(01:52:54):
let's gived. He can't beat us by himself. What we're
teams get beat by Purdue is when you have to
double in and those three point shots open up. So
Michigan has more of a versat the lone. I'm gonna
go back, but you know, Casses Winston and Joshua Laneford
are going to be the key because when tom Izzo

(01:53:14):
made his runs to the final four national championship games,
he had impeccable guard play, especially from the point guard position.
Casses Winston that's played better than the last four or
five games, smarter decision wise, shooting the ball better. But
he's going to be the Cats because without that, I
don't care what you do in college basketball. If you
don't have a point guard that you can really trust,
I'm gonna make sound decisions. I don't care how good

(01:53:37):
Jaren Jackson is, a Miles Bridges or what other those
guys can do. You're gonna come up to against a
team in the critical situation where he's not gonna make
those those light decisions. It's gonna ultimately hurt you. Great
stuff is always from Jimmy Jackson. It doesn't hurt that
I agree with him. But even if I didn't. It's
just really well thought out. Jimmy Gray, Stop, what do

(01:53:58):
you got come up next? What's the next game? I got? Create?
I got Villa Nova Creton actually on Saturday. So I
was interested to see that because Crazy just came up
a tough one the Butler last night. So it's a
game that they really need and and Nova can't afford
to go on the road in the tough environment and
let that one go. I'm excited to see that. You
know what I got though, but I get a chance
to see first time Monday fall out of field outside

(01:54:21):
of Texas at Kansas, So I'm excited about that too.
Oh that's awesome. You've never been. We just had, we
just had, we just had cell phone. I'll give you that. Man.
That's the place is the best. It's the best place
in college basketball. I don't even that's what I've heard. Man,
it's the best. It's it's do you walk in? It's
like this is what every place is supposed to be.
Like God, I can't wait. Man, all right, thanks Tommy, Okay,

(01:54:44):
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(01:55:04):
Cuban was fine six hundred thousand dollars by the league
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The league is off tonight still for All Star break.
Games resumed tomorrow night with six contests, including Washington and Cleveland,
and then Friday. Marcus Smart, Celtics guard is due to
return from his hand injury. Has been out for a month.
Lonzo Ball due to be back for the Lakers this

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weekend from the spring knee. Three NHL contests this evening,
the NFL News all Sean Jeffrey, Eagles wide receiver had
rotator cuff surgery today. He originally heard it in training camp,
according to NFL dot Com, got a four year extension
in December, could be back by week one this year.
Marty Hernie was named Carolina's full time general manager. He'd
been interim GM since last summer. Cleared of sexual harassment

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last week. Hall of Famer and Baseball Orlando. Cepeda is
hospitalized in the Bay Area after a cardiac incident this week.
Cepeda is eighty years old. The Nationals finalized a one
year deal with reliever Walking end Wall and at the
Winter Olympics, the women's hockey gold medal game is tonight.
Golfs Honda Classics starts tomorrow morning in Florida, and NASCAR
qualifying from Atlanta will be Friday on f S one.

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the mm QB. Andrew Luck is confident, as are the Colts,
that he won't need more surgery on his shoulder. That
doesn't actually sound as good as I think the Colts
or Andrew Luck thinks it sounds right because they didn't
say they're sure, they said they're confident. Let me read

(01:57:19):
this again. Luck's confident, as are the Colts, that he
won't need more surgery. Here's the quote. That's not an
option for me right now. That ship has sailed. Lux said,
Luck's in California. Talked to him via FaceTime. He's working
with Tom House. That's Tom Brady is throwing guy. House
seems confident Luck will be able to throw without restriction
in the spring. If he can't, that's going to be

(01:57:40):
worrisome for the Colts. You think he's missed twenty eight
of the last forty eight games the past three seasons,
don't worry. Andrew Luck had surgery in January two thousand
and seventeen. I'm in the middle of a little bit
of throwing, Lux said from California, where he's re having
in training. Watching Luck and listening to him is clear

(01:58:02):
that he feels confident. He will be able to play
when the Colts practice is beginning April on Earth, Frank
Bike confident is not sure? Confident is confident? Sure is sure?
All right? It's like I think or I know, they think,
they don't know surgery is not an option? Or now

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let's get to the press. The press, do do do ask?
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dot com. Steve to Sega what he got. Lebron James
has played in seventh straight NBA Finals. Today he disagreed

(01:58:50):
with that potential proposal to receive the sixteen teams in
the playoffs regardless of conference. Of course, they've gone East Playoffs,
West Playoffs one through eight before he says one through sixteen,
just overall seeds. Well, it's cool to mess around with
the All Star Game. We prove you can do that.
Let's not get too crazy about the playoffs end quote. Um, Yeah,

(01:59:14):
I mean, like, look, I just think there's a lot
of unintended consequences that haven't really been dug into. And
I also think that Adam Silver is smartly saying we're
gonna look into things again. It's a lot like Andrew
Luck thinks doesn't know the NBA looking into and changing things. Uh. Look,
I think the Celtics is gonna be good for a
long time. I do. I think the Wizards are pretty good,

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the Raptors are pretty good, the Bucks are gonna be good. Obviously,
Lebron you would think would change the tide and make
the West because if he goes to the Lakers. But
that's one if it happens. And two, at some point,
Lebron James is going to age and is going to retire,
And have you changed the entire playoff structure and have you?
And you know, look, it's in East coach sports fans

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are important. I don't know when the Sixers hit, but
they're close to hitting. You want the Sixers, you want
the Knicks in primetime in the East Coast, on the
West coast. And Lebron disagrees with the concept mostly because
quote it changes the landscape of the history of the game.
Agree in the NBA finals, do you think of Celtics
versus the Lakers, Pistons versus the Lakers, Bulls versus what's

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the Jazz? Then? The Sonics, or I mean even the
Spurs versus the Heat. Current matchups with Golden State yea.
As far as the Olympics and the winning games do
continue tonight for a US TV audience women's hockey gold
medal game the US twenty years ago one the first
gold in women's hockey. Since then, Canada has won four

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straight gold medals in the sport. In fact, individually, as
far as games, they've won twenty four straight Olympic contests,
including going undefeated in this tournament so far US Canada.
After eleven pm Eastern Time, uh watched the men's hockey
lit but lest I lost on penalty shots through in
the game. But whatever, Um, you know, not sending the

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NHL players, you know, it makes it a completely different sport,
completely different watch. What what I think the fascinating part
is how it's really become just an extension of the
X Games, right, Winter Olympics in general. Yeah, it's just
basically the Winter X Games. That's all it is. The
sports they still can get ratings, you know, they said
last night's ratings for NBC, we're actually for the first

(02:01:25):
time these games higher than four years ago at SOCIATE. Yeah. Um,
look just changing viewee habits, and I think these are
sports that we don't always watch on mainstream TV, and
it it really plays more to women and two kids
than it does to male adults. That said, like, when
are the Summer Olympics gonna start going to BMX and
other skate and other skateboard games and are those gonna

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become events? Much like uh, the winner X has become
part of the Winter Olympics. Of course, Winter Olympics had
fewer sports total to begin with. And we do need
to congratulate the US women in cross country skiing. Quite
a drought over for the United States. They won the
team event outsprinting Norway and Sweden to the gold. US
had never men or women won any Golden cross country

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skiing until the past twenty four hours. It was actually
really exciting. I don't watch bunch of Olympics, but I
was watching that and it was pretty pretty exciting. To
the NFL Adam Vinitary is forty five years old. He
is returning for a twenty third pro season and as
the Colts all time leading score He's due to have
an agreement verbally today and actually signed a one year

(02:02:30):
contract with Indie tomorrow. He's spent a decade with New England,
now thirteen in Indianapolis. He has four Super Bowl titles,
second most ever Tom Brady with five, Charles Haley five.
But Vinitary only sits fifty seven points behind Morton Anderson
on the all time points list. He's only seven made kicks,
shy of breaking Anderson's record, well over five career field goals.

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Adam Minitary still getting it done. You know the and
and obviously Stephen Goscouse. He comes off a Super Bowl
where he missed extra point and miss the field goal.
The field goal wasn't his fault. Um, But it isn't
interesting that the Patriots go from one Hall of Famer
to probably another one, right, I mean a great kicker
to a great kicker. It's kind We've had Bill cell
founder earlier. You can download the podcast Doug Gottlie Show

(02:03:14):
podcast iTunes where every download podcast. But is it an
interesting Kansas of course went from Roy Williams Hall of
Famer to Bill self hall of famer. But anyone who's
had a who has a football team that they love, Um,
you feel no sympathy for the Patriots when they miss
a field goal because they've had great one to great one,
and how blessed are they and how smart are they?

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Of of the acquisitions they made, those two are maybe
the best. The amazing thing about the Patriots lost, now
that you bring it up, in that last Super Bowl,
is the opponent missed three extra points, they missed the
kick and to two point tries and Brady throws for
a thousand yards, it seems, and they they didn't. They
didn't even punt, and they still lost that Super Bowl.
Rick Petito in the news today saying it was unjush

(02:03:57):
for the n c A to rule that the Louisville
car Ardinals have to take down their national title banner
from Patino at a news conference held at a law
firm in Manhattan, says, to say, I'm disappointed with the
n c double a's appeals ruling is a gross understatement.
He said. Did a few of the players partake in
parties they didn't organize, Yes they did, but that had
nothing to do with an extra benefit that had to

(02:04:19):
do with helping their eligibility or performance and winning that championship.
He went on and on. He lost me right there. Uh. Look,
Rick Pettino wants to coach again. Rick Pettino is trying
to clear his name. Good luck. If I was Rick Pettino,
I would wait until the FBI findings come out because
it could make every bit of defense he has today,

(02:04:40):
which he believes to be accurate, look really really foolish.
He was fired four cause back in October. And final
item on Steve Nash, what's he been up to? Well,
what's he going to be up to? In studio analyst
for European soccer. Yes, he's a two time m v
P in the NBA. Could be getting into the Hall
of Fame soon. Has all always love soccer and Turner

(02:05:01):
Sports now has Champions League coverage starting this year and
a new three year deal. New York Post says Nash
has been hired by Turner as an in studio analysts.
That is an odd odd higher you get out there
and pressed that the press, I'll say why it makes
sense in a second though, Um, wouldn't you love a
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of the players. He loves soccer, he follows, he plays it.
He has his own charity game in New York City.
And what's interesting about soccer is they've always, they've they've
long had soccer geek guy be soccer analyst guy. And

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here's just a star Hall of Fame athlete portraying himself
as soccer geek guy. It could be interesting. Chris macwins
just tomorrow. This The Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio,

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