August 19, 2025 • 46 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug sums up the latest in baseball news before weighing in on the Colts' decision to make Daniel Jones as QB1.
Doug welcomes TKO President and COO Mark Shapiro onto the show to talk about the business of sports and the landmark deal UFC has struck with Paramount.
Doug gives his take on Micah Parsons. Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about the Colts, Browns and all of the headlines around the NFL
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every download podcast. So it's been over for a while,
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but now it's officially over. We'll get to that. What
that means as a starting quarterback has been named for
the Indiana Indianapolis Colts went to Cubs Brewers yesterday the
Day of the Day Night Doublehead of the Night was
rained out. They're playing the second game now, which is
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a makeup game. Making it up now. We got great baseball.
Dodgers sweeped the Padres over the weekend and now have
three with the Rockies before then going down to San Diego.
Down to Locale and taking on the Padres yet again,
which is weird though, because they sweep the Padres and
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then lose to the Rockies. Gotta be frustrating from my
boy Jas two, especially, you know, losing the game when
you have a run lead going into the seventh inning. Grant,
it's Colorado. That's a really hard pace to pitch, but
not against this Rocky team. And who was it Robleski
that's who blew the game for the Dodgers yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh, I mean that's the pitcher that gave up I guess,
the game deciding hit. But I mean, we have a
right fielder who can't play right field on a major
league level. It's such an urgency that there was a
reported meeting between Andrew Friedman and Dave Roberts and Mookie
Betts coming off of a game where two Hernandez dropped
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a ball. He's been misplaying balls all year long. He
takes horrible angles, and he needs to be in left
field or on the bench or DH. But we've already
talked about the DH problem. When you have the best
player to ever play baseball as your DH, you can't
give your catcher a day off, and you can't put
a Teo Hernandez, who is a natural designated hitter anywhere
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about left field.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
A natural designated hitter is such a nice way of
saying Edgar Martinez, Yeah, a natural I love the natural
designated hitter. So he just stinks in the field. Yeah,
or natural designated or what ever you want to have,
you want to air it byer. I had a great
Chicago day. Yes, it was like the perfect Chicago day.
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I mean, could not have been more spectacular in terms
of weather. To the stadium. It's like eleven thirty had
field passes, watched the game, went up and saw my
boy boog Shambi during I think it was the fifth inning,
which is when the only ending of the Brewers had
trouble with uh where Freddie Peralta couldn't throw the ball
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across the across the plate. But they ended up putting
it on the Cubs late and getting a win. Cubs
got a lot of booze at home. They went out
and had dinner at RPM's Seafood in the city, and
all of a sudden there's a gigantic line of thunderstorms
and so the nightcap got rained out and now back
in Green Bay. But a spectacular Chicago day.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We tried to guess when you left the game. I said,
top nine.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I was with I was with
four donors, and you know, it was one of those
like when it was like four to nothing, it was like, well,
one more, that's probably it was fine. I was like,
well one more, it's probably it, you know, but we
had dinner pre planned. If we didn't have dinner pre
plan and two of the guys they took off, we'd
had dinner pre planned, Yeah, I would have. It probably
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would have been bottom seven because it was over right
as soon as the seventh and thing was like's over.
It's a wrap because then he you know, you want
to get out of Chicago. It would have been like
three thirty, and then you may may have been getting
out of Milwaukee before the rush hour traffic driving back
instead of stayed for Top nine. Top nine. Some I
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didn't know. And we'll get to the news and we'll
get to the cold story in a second. So my
boy boog, John Shomby, he's the voice of the Cubs.
So where he broadcasts from is Harry Carey's booth. Have
you ever been up there? Dan? No, I'm going to
tell you that the coolest part is not just the
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view of Wrigley, it's you can see the lake from there.
I had no idea, did you know. No, No, again,
I'm just clueless. I just yeah. You go up there,
and usually you go up and ab see it's a
little high. Every everyone is different. That one is almost stuck,
almost catbird seek, kind of old school style whatever. But
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you have this unbelievable view of Wrigley, you know, and
you have, you know, all the buildings behind it, some
of which are now blocked off because the new JumboTron
in right field and left field. But now you can
see kind of in all of its glory everything you're
looking out at it Wrigly. But then if you look
beyond the buildings, ukh, you can see the lake.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Not necessarily surprising since Chicago was on the lake, but
you don't see it from the normal camera views that
you would you would get.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
All right, let's get too far, let's get to the
story of the day. I don't think this is a
huge surprise to people, because Anthony Richardson had struggled. Plus
Anthon Richardson is always hurt, and then answer Richardson has
had just lots of little things. You know, last year
when he took himself out, I mean that was that
was odd. But now Danny Dimes comes in and has
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a chance to resurrect his career, and Daniel Jones comes
over from the New York and he earns the starting
job with the Indianapolis Colts. Now what does that mean? Well,
there's a variety of things that it means. I think
our guy Dan Dockich, who joins the show occasionally, who
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does radio in Indianapolis, I do think he nailed this one
thing where Anthony Richardson was talking about how man he
really wants to dive in and know everything about the playbook.
And I saw one tweet from Dockitch which was like, wait,
you want to know the playbook? Now, what were you
doing while you were hurt the past two years? I
saw Innthee Richardson play last year against Green Bay and
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he just didn't look like an NFL quarterback. Now. I
don't profess to be a quarterback whisper, a quarterback guru,
or a town evaluator for the Nation Football League, but
when you go and see in person, it's a lot
like do you guys remember the discussion We had a
couple of years ago about Tua and Justin Herbert, and
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there were some on television on Fox who were saying, like, yeah,
that Justin Herbert's a phony two is the better quarterback.
And look, you don't have to throw one hundred miles
an hour to be a great pitcher. You don't have
to have a laser arm. Anthony Richard has one to
be a great NFL quarterback. But my point was if
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you went to the Dolphins Chargers game, which I think
was a Sunday night game, which I did, and if
you walked away thinking that Tua was anywhere in the
stratosphere of Justin Herbert as a quarterback, you had to
walk in with such an anti Herbert pro to a bias.
It's silly because it just it's it's like a different sport.
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It's much like if you know what a golfer looks
like who you know, like a guy who's a long
drive champion, you know they hit the ball, or your
buddy who hits the ball. Of Miley like, man, he's
really talented, and then you see him against a pro,
and a pro is just different. The touch is different,
the reader, the greens is different. The approach is different.
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They hit the ball not just the right distance, but
to the very right area of the fairway, so they
have the right approach. And then when they get it
on the green, it's not just get on the green
like you and me, we just Hey, if I can
get on the green, it's great. They want to be
below the hole. There's a specific reason they hit the
ball a specific way with a specific spin. That's the
difference in Anthony Richardson and NFL quarterbacks. It's not that
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he can't throw, it's not that he can't move. He
can really move. They haven't been able to use him
as a runner enough because he's gotten hurt every year
he's been there and they want to protect him. But
to protect him, you have to not run him. To
not run him, that emphasizes the part of his game
which is the part that needs to improve the most,
which is his touch and reading of the defense, which
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he doesn't have. I'm also going to be fascinated by
Daniel Jones because what was the story of last year
quarterbacks in the NFL. I would make the argument that
last year's story was how many of these resurrection projects
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ended up benefiting the quarterback and the new team at
their home at their new home, because you get essentially
a veteran like Daniel Jones has not been in the
league for a long time, but he's been in it
long enough right to have a contract extension. So you're
in the league six years and you're a veteran, and
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because the Giants had moved on, you get him at
a fraction at the regular price. So you get backup
money on a guy who started a lot of games
and he's super motivated to not just impress, but also
do what you want because he's been in a league
long enough to know. Okay, I went with Shane Stikeen Shane.
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If I just do what Shane Stiken wants, I got
a great shot of winning the job of winning games,
end up being on this roster moving forward. So last
season we had Baker Mayfield, we had Sam Darnold. Obviously
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it didn't work out nearly as much in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I feel like Geno Smith is part of that. Even
though it wasn't just last year, I still felt he
was part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure, great call, great call, and it's it's we talked
about it in the off season. Would it be a
trend where you're trying to get a guy who had
kind of worn out his welcome or they moved on
from him, but he did have a lot of experience,
and you get him at a at a fraction of
the of the normal rate for an experienced quarterback of
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that elk in Daniel jones last five starts last season,
excuse me, in his last five seasons he started at
fifty seven starts, forty six tds, thirty five interceptions, eighty
three points for passer ratings. That great. Here's Colt's head
coach Shane Stiken talking about the decision to make Daniel
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Jones QB one.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Daniel Jones would be our starting quarterback this season.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, I don't want to have a quick.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Lease on that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I feel confident in his abilities. I think he's a
veteran guy that's been around the block and seeing a
few things and seeing how he interacts with his teammates
and how they've taken to him and how he's taken
to them. I think he's done a really nice job,
and I think the guys are excited for his opportunity.
Behind the scenes, stuff that people don't see with Daniel
Jones is his work ethic, the way he connects with
his teammates, the operational stuff, like I said at the
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start of this thing, in the huddle, the communication, the checks,
all that, and I think we got a good group
around him overall our football team offensively, the weapons we
have that I feel that he can be successful in it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And look stike In when he called plays with the
Chargers were very good. When he called plays with the
with the Eagles they went to the super Bowl, and
you know when he had Joe Flacco they were pretty
good as well. So I'm sure or he's one of
these guys a lot like Kyle Shanahan. Just run my plays,
connect with our teammates. And by the way, if you
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don't make a lot of money, we can build a
pretty good roster around you. But everything you heard from
Shane Stychen is everything we've talked about. These guys is
they've been humbled, okay by losing their previous job. They
still have a confidence, but they know how to connect
with teammates and because they're not making a gargantuan some money,
they're able to be kind of just one of the guys.
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So you do wonder if the Colts are able to
do what the Buccaneers or what the Seahawks and now
Raiders have done with a Gino Smith.
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Mark Shapiro, who is the president CEO of TKO. TKO
owns and runs the UFC and the WWE UFC with
a huge, huge new TV deal with CBS and Paramount
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seven years, seven point seven billion dollars. How did it
come to be? Just stay tuned you'll find out in
about starting about two minutes. Cubs Brewers taking place right now,
right buyers got it on in studio, he's he's watching,
and of course yesterday, So right now, it's what top
six with two outs, and the Brewers have runners at
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first and second. They're down five to three to the Cubbies.
And this is a day night doubleheader. It's the makeup
of last night's night game on the day night doubleheader.
It's a five game series, which you know, I mean,
it's really hard for the Cubs to try and overcome
this gargantuan lead that the Brewers have, but becomes essentially
impossible if they don't win the next what four games
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of the series, Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, yeah, you kind of need to win the next
four to have a chance.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah. And then of course, and then I think, super
interesting what happens with Dodgers tonight sweep the Padres and
then lose in the bottom of the ninth to the Rockies.
Have two more against the Rockies before going down to
San Diego take on the Padres yet again. Uh, Jay,
stud what was your what was your? Was it Instagram
or was it a tweet about Manny striking out to
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end the series at the Ravine?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I quoted the great Vin Scully. Vin Scully in these
moments would say something over and over again. He would
say that one was reduced to the basics. I'll throw
as hard as I can, you swing as hard as
you can, and we'll see who comes out on top.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I was listening to the game actually driving up
from San Diego, and then I flipped over because I
was going to listen to Buyer. Buyer had the Sunday off,
so it was Monsey and Carry Rhodes.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Actually, I've been doing the mornings this summer with Harmon.
Well mornings for US. Monty and Carry are two to
five Pacific, and Harmon and I are nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But you go didn't know, Oh, didn't know. Sunday's not
usually my sports radio day. I was driving up, I
was like, man, I want to hear Buyer has to say.
I was like, Dan, oh, so we'll keep an eye
on on on Major League Baseball, the game being played
right now at at Wrigley, but also the game tonight
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also at Wrigley, and the game tonight in Colorado. Got
some others as well. Note middle Coop's going to join
us in fifteen minutes. We'll get his thoughts on football. Course.
He was on with Colin today in studio for the herd,
But I thought this would be something that you would
all enjoy. You know, when you're in business long enough,
(16:17):
you're going to be drawn to different people in turning
leadership roles. My favorite big boss I've ever had, Smart Shapiro,
and it wasn't because we were close. It wasn't clause
he gave me this huge race. He did give me
a couple opportunities which I will I am forever indebted
to him for, but it was He's just a dynamic
person that is willing to take risks and also when
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you have a conversation with him like, he's willing to share.
So that's what we did. We sat down with him.
We recorded about twenty minutes, but then we'll put the
entirety of it on the podcast, which you can hear
upcoming at the top of the hour. Just download podcast
our podcast. For every download podcast, we'll see if we
can throw that interview up on the YouTube channel. By
the way, it's at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. A
(17:04):
YouTube slash at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. But here's
my conversation on Zoom with Mark Shapiro, TKO President and
COO Okay, So Mark, let's let's start with UFC as
a business model pre dating your agreement with Paramount. Okay,
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you've been on obviously both sides of these deals. When
you looked at it and the pay per view model
with ESPN. How healthy a business was it for for UFC.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You know, it's it's been cyclical.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
I would say overall, the relationship with ESPN just extraordinary
and start there. I mean, obviously, ESPN is the destination
for sports fans. It's appointment viewing and there's no better
marketing partner in sports twenty four to seven. They want
to get behind something, they get behind it. You know
it too well, because of course when they don't, you.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Also know that.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
And they they did more for the UFC than any
partner we've ever had.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
And I would say the fact that we are mainstream
and so strong with young men and the demos that
we have.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Of course it has a lot to do with our
fighting stable and Dana White in the history, but ESPN
took us through another level. So it was great and
we knew what we were walking into. Doug right, this
was an ESPN plus play that they're going to use
the ESPN and ESPN two as a barker channel to
watch the prelimbs, maybe even watch the early prims prelims
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and then move you over to ESPN Plus to sign up.
So when we started with them, we were in three
million homes and we quickly grew to twenty four million.
And their words, not ours. We were the anchor tenant
of ESPN Plus.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So it was great.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
But I think over time, over the seven years, a
couple things happened. One is, they just kept raising price
and it got to a point where it was just
too much. And we know that for a fact because
the pay per view started slipping, the total number of
buys and the pirrating went to insane levels. I mean,
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and Data, as you know, is now on the board
of metac So we've seen unbelievable numbers across Facebook and
our relationship with YouTube.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
And tens of thousands of streams.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And that give me, give me a sense, give me
some when you say the pirrating, okay, because I know
what you're talking about, because I've been to parties We're
like do we buy this? Like no, no, we got
a we got a firestick. We're in there. What are
the type of numbers that would be pirated.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Tens of thousands of streams, and how many people were
watching each of those streams, we don't even know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
It just it just got to be too much because
it's too expensive.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
You're paying eleven ninety nine to get ESPN plus that's
what you have to do monthly, and then to get
the pay per view you're paying eighty dollars. So it
almost becomes the sales prevention departments. And we discussed this
with ESPN and they had different data and they just
didn't agree, and they just kept going. They did introduce
some early bird specials if you buy two weeks before
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and you get five bucks off, but it was nothing
that was going.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
To solve the crisis.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Now, in their defense, the UFC, while obviously we have
stars aman In Nunez and John Jones and you know,
Justin Gatgee and.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
A lot of folks along the way, Uswan Kamara, we.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Didn't have any more of the level of Connor McGregor
or Rona Rousi in the later years of our seven
year deal. And they would point to the pipeline and
so just being fair across the board. Look, you got
to win to become a star. We can't manufacture it.
This isn't the WWE, and so there might be some
truth to that. But the fighting itself, the matches, the competition,
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the events have never been better, never been better, and
the fact that you have a lot of Russian and
Middle Eastern champions, it is what it is. You got
to beat the best, and our core fans get that.
You do want commercial stars, and I think over time
it's very cyclical, rides different waves. When when GSP left
the UFC is, oh my god, they have no other stars,
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and then someone else emerges. So you just you gotta
be patient and you got to be in it for
the long haul.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
If you were on the other side, right because I
like it. I like in this one too, when you
were at ESPN and had you lost Monday Night football,
right yeah, because Sunday night when we lost Sunday Night,
but you couldn't lose Monday Night. If you were on
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the other side, what would you have done to prevent
you from switching to Paramount?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I wouldn't let it get away.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I mean, let me just say, Bob Iger is the
biggest sports fan of any executive in the media business.
I mean, he started at ABC Sports and he's a
massive boxing fan too, like he knows the combat sports area.
He came to our Sphere event last year, which was
a real spectacle. Look, you're launching ESPN direct to consumer.
I think it launches, you know, in the next couple
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of days. Here you're charging twenty nine to ninety nine.
You want to see people either authenticate if they have
cable and satellite already, and if they don't, you want
them to pay twenty nine ninety nine. So you want
all the premier sports. The UFC fan is very, very passionate.
I mean it's it's it's the fervor. The fan avidity
(22:21):
is insane, right, And forty percent of our audiences women,
so you've got moms buying, and you've got obviously young men,
young women who watch six hour cards. I mean, this
is what you dream about. There's forty three events. So look,
it's easy to play money. Morning Quarterback. I don't know
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the budgets. I don't know their dollars. They've got a
lot of money to spend. They've made big investments in
the NFL, the CFP, the NBA, and you know what,
money doesn't stretch that far, and their linear business is declining,
so they had to make some decisions. I think the
WWE deal is brilliant for them, The idea of WrestleMania
on ESPN brilliance, and maybe they just couldn't afford everything,
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but having UFC, which is a year round sport, while
you're trying to launch D two C at twenty nine
to ninety nine, which would be well received, versus the
one hundred dollars fans are paying monthly now for ESPN
plus to get the paper fights. To me, that's something
I wouldn't have passed up. But I don't criticize them.
They're an important partner. There's still the premier destination in sports,
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and we're going to help them build this ESPN D
two C.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The rise of UFC right from when you were first
a young producer at ESPN to now, like the NFL
is one hundred year.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Built, hey, exactly, the NBA has been one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Major League Baseball is over one hundred years to go
from where they were even in the early two thousands
where they were trying to get to mainstream to now
you're talking about a premiere property on.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
The Tiffany Network.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
This is a story that I don't think has ever
played out as such before in sports, is there, Doug.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
When I was running program, I got from voted to
the head of program, I mean thirty two years old.
In twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida Brothers came
and pitched, and they pitched hard on the UFC like
I wasn't sure if I'd get if I said no,
if I might get beat up.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Or they left the room right, And I didn't do it.
And one of the reasons I didn't do it wasn't
all my decision.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
The mouse Disney was it about to put that that
sport where it was with blood on the mat on
ESPN or ABC Sports Now, completely different story.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Obviously, it is mainstream.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It is the rise, the evolution, the ascension, the following,
the fan base, the number of fighters around the globe.
How global it is. I mean, you're talking two and
ten countries and territories that the UFC is currently broadcast in.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
You have six hundred plus fighters, right, you have seventy
five different countries of where they hail from, the fighters.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
You have fifty different languages that broadcast UFC fights. I
can't even believe it. I can't believe where had it
has has gone. You know how it is has come
that far. ESPN has been a big part of that.
I mean they really supercharged it. They they put turbo
into this. Fox was important, Spike was important. Every step
(25:35):
of the way. It was important. But I would tell
you ESPN had had more to do with than anything else.
And of course Dana White and his team and the
way they got behind it and locally and built these stars,
These stars that won and covered the.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Far survive COVID two absolutely survived COVID right and expanded
in COVID when when others had no we had no
live sports.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And I tell you he was the guy.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
He was calling Ari and I by the art a
I'm not going down. UFC doesn't go down. We will
find a place to do this. We were on our
way to do event a Tachi Wallace, an Indian reservation
in California, so we wouldn't miss a month.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
And by the way, we needed to because money wise,
we would have been in trouble.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Just at that time, Endeavor all of our businesses were
shut down like everybody else, and yet we had this
huge staff and expenses and media rights piece we had to.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Pay at IMG and so we needed to.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Keep the show going, and he worked out a deal
which would have kept us going in ESPN would have
loved it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
And at the end of the day, it was.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Newsome and bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably
insensitive to what's going on. We need you to stand down.
So we didn't do that event. We waited a month
and then bank Fight Island and they were ready for it.
Abu Dhabi the bubble. Newsom was good with it, Bob
Iger was good with it, and we moved on and
that saved the day. And to your point, so many
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fans sampled it for the first time and became full
time fans.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Amazing. Well, listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm
sure you all have to do another one and I
really really appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Great to see it. Congratulates all your success.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
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Speaker 1 (27:23):
Let's still a little broadcasting talk. By the way, next hour,
next hour, Uh, we're gonna play for you. A conversation
I had with Mark Shapiro. Mark is the president and
COO of TKO. That's one of the companies that they
(27:44):
own and run the UFC now as well as WWE,
and they just linked a They just signed a seven years,
seven point seven billion dollar deal with Paramount and CBS
seven years, seven point seven billion dollars. He used to
be the head of programming at ESPN when I was there.
There's a lot of reasons to have guests on one,
(28:06):
I think it's an amazing story where UFC is compared
to where it was. Also, they're on the Tiffany Network
on CBS, Like that's a big like CBS handles and
treats themselves a little differently. But also how this deal
kind of came together, I thought, And he's a dynamic dude,
so I thought you'd appreciate that. That's top of the hour.
(28:28):
Speaking of broadcasting, I love Troy Aikman two point zero.
At Fox. He was good, he was always solid, and
he was kind of superstar Troy Aikman. Right, he was
Dallas Cowboys super Bowl champion, three time Super Bowl champion,
Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman. He was good, he
(28:50):
was informed, he was solid, but he wasn't as strongly opinionated.
I believe as he has been at ESPN now, some
of that is again we talk about different networks. Different
networks push you for different types of commentary. You know,
when I was at CBS, it was a lot more about, hey,
tell great stories. I don't say, be a cheerleader, but
(29:13):
sort of be a cheerleader for the game. Whereas ESPN
because they felt like, if you're watching an ESPN college
basketball game on ESPN two, you're a real hardcore fan.
You've got to feed those hardcore fans. It's a little
bit more inside the Beltway commentary. Fox has always been
a little bit more big namey, and now what he's
(29:37):
at ESPN and ABC and covering Monday Night football, I
actually think he and Joe are better. I just I do.
I use that because Troigman was on Monday Night Football
last night and he said this about the Cowboys and
what they look like without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're gonna be
to slow anybody down. I mean, he's a total game
wrecord and he's proven that, and he's certainly wor every
penny that he's ultimately going to get paid the longer
it goes, the more money he's gonna make. So I
wouldn't stress too much.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I files him. I'm not stressed. But I also I
do think there's a limit to what you can make.
I think the deal's probably close to already done. You know,
they had the Jerry I had a deal and then
the agent stepped in. You know, they'll probably add something
with non guaranteed money to make it look even better.
(30:27):
But the counter argument to Troy's argument is, yes, he's
a game wrecord, Yes, Michael Parson is a great football player,
but what if the Cowboys aren't good with him? All right?
This was the was it Khalil Mack? Who is the
Raider that he's now with the Chargers? It's the Raider
he got traded to the Bears. I keep thinking Khalil Mack,
(30:53):
but it's not right. It's go ahead, buyer. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I say it is Clil Mac. God why, I don't
even know why? So Khalil Mack? Remember the Raiders trade
him for two first round draft picks. Sorry, guys to
the You guys are sitting there nod in your head
and you're like, no, you got it right? You ever
I don't know. Maybe I'm just questioning myself today.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Sorry, it's Google, Doug.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know, you think you have the right answer, and
you're like, I still have to check it.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was looking at buy and Buyer gave me the nod.
And if Buyer gives me the nod on the YouTube
YouTube channel, then I'm like, okay, Well Byer knows way
more about this than I do, so yeah, okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry, Byr his MIC's not on. There we go, here,
we go, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I don't know if I'm being told something in my
ear or if it's on the air. So when that's
what was happening. So when Sam was saying Khalil Mack,
I thought he was telling it to you, but he
was saying it in my ear.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh, I'm watching it like I'm watching him like Khalil Mack.
And then you're like you look at me like yeah,
And then I was like, well, something in my brain
was some of my brain was telling me what wasn't was. Anyway,
the question becomes, how much better would if the cowboys
can't stop anybody? Of course, slow any he even said
(32:11):
slow anybody down? Can they slow anybody to stop anybody
with Khalil with Michael Parsons, Tom tellusco joins us. He's
a former general manager of the Chargers who signed Khalil
Mack brought him back or not? Did you wait, did
you bring Khalil back back? Or was that after you?
My timeline is screwed up.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
We traded uh with the Bears for Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Right, But when the Bears traded for Khalil Mack from
the Raiders, the Raiders thought was, yeah, we can resign
him to exorbitate some but we're not any good with him,
so let's go get to first round draft picks instead instead. Right,
So that's my question for the Cowboys. I don't think
they're trading him. I think this deal is already done.
But there is a part of you which wonders, Hey,
(32:54):
you know, if we get to we're not any good anyway,
why not get to first round draft picks instead of
putting a bunch money into one guy, which is not
going to change our trajectory all that much.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Well, this is the thing. I mean, two first round
draft picks really aren't enough because if you just look
at the law of averages, those two first round picks
you'll definitely hit on one of the two. You hopefully hit
on two, but it says basically, you're not going to
hit on both and need if to do. Are you
going to hit on one of those that's a premium
player at a premium position, that's an All Pro player,
(33:24):
The odds aren't with you, so to me, if you
did trade on, which they're not going to, but it
have to be picks plus like premium players, it's hard
to get value for a player like him. You just
can't get enough. It can't just be draft picks because
draft picks are essentially lottery tickets, whereas he is a
proven All Pro young player. So yeah, I don't and
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I don't see a trade happening at it.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Anyways, what's the usual timeline that most of these things,
you feel like, all right, it's really going to get done,
and about this window so he has enough time to
be ready for week one of the season, Well.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Needs to get done right now. This one is it's
just confusing to me because it just it sounds like
I'm just like you now, Doug. So I'm on the
outside looking in. But if they're not talking, I don't
understand why they're not talking that. Usually you're you're working
on the contract, you're negotiating. It sounds like they're not
so that. I don't know what's going on there, but
you know, you've got three weeks to go before opening day.
(34:23):
You know, he doesn't need all of the preseason, but
he certainly needs some work, some high intensity work to
get ready for it for the opening game, which is
really important against the Eagles. Now, rushing the pastor you
get out there and you can do that, but to
play a lot of snaps especially, it's probably gonna be warm.
He needs to be in right now. But it just
sounds like it's just been so quiet. There's just nothing
going on with that situation right now. I'm not exactly
(34:45):
sure why they We'll find out soon.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
What is your reaction to Daniel Jones being in the
starter in Indy?
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Yeah, to me, I mean, neither quarterback really went out
and won the job in the games they did not.
Maybe practice looked a little bit different, but my thinking
is Shaansdiken just looked at it and between the two players,
he went with a player with more experience both as
a college quarterback and a pro quarterback. He has a
lot of starts under his belt, and he went with
(35:16):
the more comfortable option for right now with Daniel Jones,
and we'll see what he can do. But in these situations,
I wouldn't be surprised if both guys play at some
point of the year. Daniel Jones had a little bit
of an injury history. Hopefully it doesn't show up, but
either do to performance or injury, I think it's a
good chance that still Richardson plays at some point. But
(35:37):
I can see the decision today on you know, they
want the more consistent quarterback, and as of right now,
Daniels more consistent right now than Richardson, even though Richardon
can make some eye popping throws and eye popping plays,
but the up and down, the accuracy, just the overall
in consistency level, this isn't quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Last year, I don't know if you want to call
it a trend, it was sort of trendy last year
for these guys getting a second shot, you know, at
starting And I mean obviously Sam Donald had a spectacular
year in with with with the Minnesota Vikings. Baker has
(36:16):
found a home with with with Tampa. You know, Kirk
Cousins obviously was a guy who he was more high
end talent back when he was with Minnesota, but early
on before it fell apart, the returns were good in Atlanta.
I bring it up because last year you were kind
of in this situation with the Raiders right where you
(36:36):
don't have a you don't have a guy at O'Connell, like,
you don't have a guy on the roster. You hadn't
drafted a guy. Instead, you went and drafted the best
tight end in football. What's the what was your thoughts,
thought process behind trying to find the right fit, the
right guy to get you through a year, to get
you to this draft or freegency period where you can
(36:58):
then maybe potentially getting a starting quarterback.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Yeah, you're essentially looking for a bridge quarterback, someone that
you know they can come in play consistent football, hopefully
win some games for you. But you also know in
the back of your mind that you know that's not
your long term franchise quarterback and you're not have to
find out in the draft at some point. But which
is why last year, even during the season, I tried
(37:22):
to try to convince Daniel Jones to come to the
Raiders and you know, just to give us another option
down the stretch. But Daniel and his agent, they actually
give them credits. They made a really good decision. Even
though it was a practice squad with Minnesota goes, there
are signs in the practice squad rehabilitates a little bit,
learns of the new offense. Then as a free agent
and he picked a team and the colt that has
(37:43):
a chance to go to and really compete for the job.
He went in there competing for the job. And one
but you're just looking for smart playing, consistent play to
get you through. I mean, if you don't have the guy.
And this year about a third of the teams are
going into the season with a new coquarterback, so you
know everybody's whether it's our drafted player or our free agent.
(38:05):
I think Daniel Jones fits that category of it can
hopefully can bring it touple consistency. But the other quarterbacks
you mentioned a lot of times it's just right place,
right time, maybe the right coordinator, maybe the right head coach,
maybe have right talent around them on offense, to the
offensive line, the weapons that they have. And then some
of these quarterbacks, as a failed one like Anthony Richardson,
(38:25):
he'll always get another chance He'll just can get one
more chance to col So I'm sure if that doesn't
work out, somebody else will give you a chance because
he does have talent. He's just still learning the professional
game and everything that goes into being an NFL quarterback,
and most of it is Monday through Saturday, with all
the preparation that goes into getting ready to play that game.
And I think right now they're just more comfortable with
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Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco, former general manager of both the
Chargers and then for last year, the Las Vegas Raiders.
He joins us for his weekly visit here in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The Browns. Uh first,
what uh what'd you think of how Dylan Gabriel played.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
I thought he played well. I thought he he made
quick decisions, got the ball out of his hands. Yeah,
I thought he played very well. So you know, in
scha door played well. So you've got two young quarterbacks
that you know they're going to be on their roster.
But I think we all knew, you know, even with
the four quarterbacks that had it really wasn't a four
man competition for the starting job. I think we all
(39:31):
realized that it was going to be Joe Flacco, and
then we didn't get a chance really see Canny Pickett
playing much. But we kind of know what he is.
But we need to see these two young quarterbacks play.
And Dylan has for not the biggest guy in the world,
he has good arm strength. The ball really comes out
of his hand with some pace and velocity, and he
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made quick decisions. It was accurate with the football. I
didn't think that the I n T threw wasn't necessarily
his fault. The two guys at Saint Mary and the
players starting to pull his hands back thinking it was
not going to go to him, which happens, But I
thought he did it fine. So we'll probably see a
lot of those two guys this week, I assume. I hope.
I'd love to see these two guys play more because
(40:13):
they're gonna have to set back end of their depth
chart if something happens to Joe Flack will either injury
or just performance. They have to know who the next
guy in is. A Gabriel is the shooter standers as
a picket you know, well, they keep four going in
the season, and they may at least for a couple
of weeks. I don't think they can do that the
whole season, but they may go with four to start
off and take it from there.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Can you keep four quarterbacks?
Speaker 9 (40:35):
You know you can if you're healthy. I think you can. Initially,
you're just gonna have to go short in some areas
that you really don't want to go short in. I
think as the season goes on, as injuries hit, I
just I don't see a way you could really keep
four on your roster. But I'm sure they can probably
juggle it for the first couple of weeks if they
had to. When they want to, you're just going to
have to be completely healthy, because you know the margins
(40:58):
are top. You know, you're fifty three man ross, so
you can only dress forty eight. So they have a
couple of players in your rochester that you know, there's
no way they can contribute on game day because they're
not going to play and I don't play special teams. Obviously,
it's going to be difficult, but I think Andrew Smart
you can probably pull off for a little bit, but
in the end they'll have to make a decision at
some point, probably get the three.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Okay, I know you don't watch practice tape, right and
you're not in on meetings, so I'm just trying to
be fair. But if it was you, what would you
do with four quarterbacks? What would you do?
Speaker 9 (41:32):
I'd probably try and trade Picket. You know, at least
he has a body of work. He's a former first
round pick, really high character player, and I wouldn't want
to give up on Gabriel or Story yet. So I
think in the end, if there's a team out there
that needs a backup, maybe you can move Picket for something.
I know it's not going to be a lot, it'll
probably be a late Day three pick, at least get
something in return. And then you've got, you know, an
(41:54):
older veteran quarterback with Flaco. Hopefully he can hold the
ship down this year. And if he can't, you've got
two young players waiting in the wings that to get
some time. So that would probably be my thought.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well you did, then what was the purpose of signing Picket.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Well, don't forget that they signed in before the draft,
so no, I know, yeah, it's a completely it's a
completely new quarterback room because they've run in Flack as well.
Flack it was with the Colts last year, so they
signed Joe. You just never know how the draft is
going to play out, so it probably made sense, and
they made the trade for they made the trade for pickets,
so they have somebody in the house with a little
(42:30):
bit of background. And then they probably thought was well,
draft a quarterback, which they did and then just happened
to be Gabriel And then they're in the fifth round
and Shoulder are still there. So you know, Andrew took
Andrew Barry took a you know, really talented player late
in the draft. So now you got four. It's better
than having none. But yeah, it's it's going to be
(42:51):
hard to keep all four for the whole year. It's
almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Uh okay, let's let's time to let's go. Our guest here,
Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. Trey Hendrickson is still
sitting out. They're listening to offers. The Bengals usually do
a very good job of keeping their own. But he's
a little bit older and wants a lot of money.
What do you do if you're the Bengals.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
Yeah, this is this has gone on a little bit
longer than I thought it would. And you know, they
they listened last spring. I mean they they looked at
the trade route last spring and just really nothing materialized,
and I don't think anything more would materialize now and
something hugely changed with somebody else, but it doesn't sound
like that's going to go anywhere. I think he's either
planning for the Bengals or nobody. But at some point,
(43:40):
you know, the player has to realize that. You know,
you're looking for an extension. You're not a free agent.
You know, you're not an unrestricted free agent where you
can dictate all the terms that you want. You know,
the years and the average per year and the total
and the guaranteed money. So you know, at some point,
at some point you have to get to work because
this is this is where you're playing and you're in
(44:00):
a contract. So hopefully they get to that. I don't
know again this you know that the Bengals do it
the right way. They don't negotiate in public. We really
don't know what their offers are. If it's just one
year guaranteed money that I agree with the player in
the agent, but he's going to have to have some guarantees.
The year two a good amount of guarantees, I was thinking,
and I wouldn't have a problem with that. I mean,
I know he's an older player, but pass rushers play
(44:23):
well later into their career and I'm not as concerned
about him having a huge drop off later on, certainly
not in the first two years. And you know, he's
a really good rusher to me, He's not in that
Nick Bosa, Miles, Garrett, Watt, Crosby, He's not in that area.
But he's the next group down. So you know, if
the hang ups guaranteed money, then that has to be
(44:45):
figured out a year two. But again, you know it's
time to play, like we got three weeks to go
before opening day. Obviously they need them, but you also can't.
You have to do the right contract with the player too,
and with a lot of these players, Look, if you
want the market price and everything at what you want
in a contract and play out the season and become
a freegment at the end of the year, that's one
option you have, and then you are a true free agent.
(45:07):
You send anywhere you want and get the exact deal
that you want. But you have to get the freedency first,
which would be come in and play the season and
go from there.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Tommy, really really quickly, you said, the Bengals do it
the right way. The Bengals are a team that I
think the national narrative is they're cheap and they don't
do it the right way. What do they do that
you would you would say is the right way?
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Well, what I meant and that that that statement was
we haven't heard a lot publicly about what they're offering,
negotiating contract that stuff. You just there's no sense doing
that publicly, So they've kind of kept that under wraps,
which you know, for me, for me and you, it's
not fun because I want to know exactly what they're offering.
But they're doing that the right way, and they resigned
their own where they can.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
So you know, I know they're the Bengals and they
take a bad rep, but look they do things a
little bit differently sometimes. But I like what they're doing here.
It's just at this point, both sides got to get
together and figure this out and get it going.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
He's time Telesco former GM eleven years with the Chargers,
last year with the Raiders, and he's only right here
on Fox Sports ready with the Doug Gottlieb Show, You're
the best, Tom, talk to you next week.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
All right, thanks Dorek. Take care.
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every download podcast. So it's been over for a while,
(00:46):
but now it's officially over. We'll get to that. What
that means as a starting quarterback has been named for
the Indiana Indianapolis Colts went to Cubs Brewers yesterday the
Day of the Day Night Doublehead of the Night was
rained out. They're playing the second game now, which is
(01:06):
a makeup game. Making it up now. We got great baseball.
Dodgers sweeped the Padres over the weekend and now have
three with the Rockies before then going down to San Diego.
Down to Locale and taking on the Padres yet again,
which is weird though, because they sweep the Padres and
(01:27):
then lose to the Rockies. Gotta be frustrating from my
boy Jas two, especially, you know, losing the game when
you have a run lead going into the seventh inning. Grant,
it's Colorado. That's a really hard pace to pitch, but
not against this Rocky team. And who was it Robleski
that's who blew the game for the Dodgers yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh, I mean that's the pitcher that gave up I guess,
the game deciding hit. But I mean, we have a
right fielder who can't play right field on a major
league level. It's such an urgency that there was a
reported meeting between Andrew Friedman and Dave Roberts and Mookie
Betts coming off of a game where two Hernandez dropped
(02:09):
a ball. He's been misplaying balls all year long. He
takes horrible angles, and he needs to be in left
field or on the bench or DH. But we've already
talked about the DH problem. When you have the best
player to ever play baseball as your DH, you can't
give your catcher a day off, and you can't put
a Teo Hernandez, who is a natural designated hitter anywhere
(02:32):
about left field.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
A natural designated hitter is such a nice way of
saying Edgar Martinez, Yeah, a natural I love the natural
designated hitter. So he just stinks in the field. Yeah,
or natural designated or what ever you want to have,
you want to air it byer. I had a great
Chicago day. Yes, it was like the perfect Chicago day.
(02:54):
I mean, could not have been more spectacular in terms
of weather. To the stadium. It's like eleven thirty had
field passes, watched the game, went up and saw my
boy boog Shambi during I think it was the fifth inning,
which is when the only ending of the Brewers had
trouble with uh where Freddie Peralta couldn't throw the ball
(03:16):
across the across the plate. But they ended up putting
it on the Cubs late and getting a win. Cubs
got a lot of booze at home. They went out
and had dinner at RPM's Seafood in the city, and
all of a sudden there's a gigantic line of thunderstorms
and so the nightcap got rained out and now back
in Green Bay. But a spectacular Chicago day.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We tried to guess when you left the game. I said,
top nine.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I was with I was with
four donors, and you know, it was one of those
like when it was like four to nothing, it was like, well,
one more, that's probably it was fine. I was like,
well one more, it's probably it, you know, but we
had dinner pre planned. If we didn't have dinner pre
plan and two of the guys they took off, we'd
had dinner pre planned, Yeah, I would have. It probably
(04:03):
would have been bottom seven because it was over right
as soon as the seventh and thing was like's over.
It's a wrap because then he you know, you want
to get out of Chicago. It would have been like
three thirty, and then you may may have been getting
out of Milwaukee before the rush hour traffic driving back
instead of stayed for Top nine. Top nine. Some I
(04:24):
didn't know. And we'll get to the news and we'll
get to the cold story in a second. So my
boy boog, John Shomby, he's the voice of the Cubs.
So where he broadcasts from is Harry Carey's booth. Have
you ever been up there? Dan? No, I'm going to
tell you that the coolest part is not just the
(04:46):
view of Wrigley, it's you can see the lake from there.
I had no idea, did you know. No, No, again,
I'm just clueless. I just yeah. You go up there,
and usually you go up and ab see it's a
little high. Every everyone is different. That one is almost stuck,
almost catbird seek, kind of old school style whatever. But
(05:06):
you have this unbelievable view of Wrigley, you know, and
you have, you know, all the buildings behind it, some
of which are now blocked off because the new JumboTron
in right field and left field. But now you can
see kind of in all of its glory everything you're
looking out at it Wrigly. But then if you look
beyond the buildings, ukh, you can see the lake.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Not necessarily surprising since Chicago was on the lake, but
you don't see it from the normal camera views that
you would you would get.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
All right, let's get too far, let's get to the
story of the day. I don't think this is a
huge surprise to people, because Anthony Richardson had struggled. Plus
Anthon Richardson is always hurt, and then answer Richardson has
had just lots of little things. You know, last year
when he took himself out, I mean that was that
was odd. But now Danny Dimes comes in and has
(05:55):
a chance to resurrect his career, and Daniel Jones comes
over from the New York and he earns the starting
job with the Indianapolis Colts. Now what does that mean? Well,
there's a variety of things that it means. I think
our guy Dan Dockich, who joins the show occasionally, who
(06:15):
does radio in Indianapolis, I do think he nailed this one
thing where Anthony Richardson was talking about how man he
really wants to dive in and know everything about the playbook.
And I saw one tweet from Dockitch which was like, wait,
you want to know the playbook? Now, what were you
doing while you were hurt the past two years? I
saw Innthee Richardson play last year against Green Bay and
(06:38):
he just didn't look like an NFL quarterback. Now. I
don't profess to be a quarterback whisper, a quarterback guru,
or a town evaluator for the Nation Football League, but
when you go and see in person, it's a lot
like do you guys remember the discussion We had a
couple of years ago about Tua and Justin Herbert, and
(06:59):
there were some on television on Fox who were saying, like, yeah,
that Justin Herbert's a phony two is the better quarterback.
And look, you don't have to throw one hundred miles
an hour to be a great pitcher. You don't have
to have a laser arm. Anthony Richard has one to
be a great NFL quarterback. But my point was if
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you went to the Dolphins Chargers game, which I think
was a Sunday night game, which I did, and if
you walked away thinking that Tua was anywhere in the
stratosphere of Justin Herbert as a quarterback, you had to
walk in with such an anti Herbert pro to a bias.
It's silly because it just it's it's like a different sport.
(07:45):
It's much like if you know what a golfer looks
like who you know, like a guy who's a long
drive champion, you know they hit the ball, or your
buddy who hits the ball. Of Miley like, man, he's
really talented, and then you see him against a pro,
and a pro is just different. The touch is different,
the reader, the greens is different. The approach is different.
(08:06):
They hit the ball not just the right distance, but
to the very right area of the fairway, so they
have the right approach. And then when they get it
on the green, it's not just get on the green
like you and me, we just Hey, if I can
get on the green, it's great. They want to be
below the hole. There's a specific reason they hit the
ball a specific way with a specific spin. That's the
difference in Anthony Richardson and NFL quarterbacks. It's not that
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he can't throw, it's not that he can't move. He
can really move. They haven't been able to use him
as a runner enough because he's gotten hurt every year
he's been there and they want to protect him. But
to protect him, you have to not run him. To
not run him, that emphasizes the part of his game
which is the part that needs to improve the most,
which is his touch and reading of the defense, which
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he doesn't have. I'm also going to be fascinated by
Daniel Jones because what was the story of last year
quarterbacks in the NFL. I would make the argument that
last year's story was how many of these resurrection projects
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ended up benefiting the quarterback and the new team at
their home at their new home, because you get essentially
a veteran like Daniel Jones has not been in the
league for a long time, but he's been in it
long enough right to have a contract extension. So you're
in the league six years and you're a veteran, and
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because the Giants had moved on, you get him at
a fraction at the regular price. So you get backup
money on a guy who started a lot of games
and he's super motivated to not just impress, but also
do what you want because he's been in a league
long enough to know. Okay, I went with Shane Stikeen Shane.
(09:54):
If I just do what Shane Stiken wants, I got
a great shot of winning the job of winning games,
end up being on this roster moving forward. So last
season we had Baker Mayfield, we had Sam Darnold. Obviously
(10:15):
it didn't work out nearly as much in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I feel like Geno Smith is part of that. Even
though it wasn't just last year, I still felt he
was part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Sure, great call, great call, and it's it's we talked
about it in the off season. Would it be a
trend where you're trying to get a guy who had
kind of worn out his welcome or they moved on
from him, but he did have a lot of experience,
and you get him at a at a fraction of
the of the normal rate for an experienced quarterback of
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that elk in Daniel jones last five starts last season,
excuse me, in his last five seasons he started at
fifty seven starts, forty six tds, thirty five interceptions, eighty
three points for passer ratings. That great. Here's Colt's head
coach Shane Stiken talking about the decision to make Daniel
(11:07):
Jones QB one.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Daniel Jones would be our starting quarterback this season.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, I don't want to have a quick.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Lease on that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I feel confident in his abilities. I think he's a
veteran guy that's been around the block and seeing a
few things and seeing how he interacts with his teammates
and how they've taken to him and how he's taken
to them. I think he's done a really nice job,
and I think the guys are excited for his opportunity.
Behind the scenes, stuff that people don't see with Daniel
Jones is his work ethic, the way he connects with
his teammates, the operational stuff, like I said at the
(11:34):
start of this thing, in the huddle, the communication, the checks,
all that, and I think we got a good group
around him overall our football team offensively, the weapons we
have that I feel that he can be successful in it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And look stike In when he called plays with the
Chargers were very good. When he called plays with the
with the Eagles they went to the super Bowl, and
you know when he had Joe Flacco they were pretty
good as well. So I'm sure or he's one of
these guys a lot like Kyle Shanahan. Just run my plays,
connect with our teammates. And by the way, if you
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don't make a lot of money, we can build a
pretty good roster around you. But everything you heard from
Shane Stychen is everything we've talked about. These guys is
they've been humbled, okay by losing their previous job. They
still have a confidence, but they know how to connect
with teammates and because they're not making a gargantuan some money,
they're able to be kind of just one of the guys.
(12:31):
So you do wonder if the Colts are able to
do what the Buccaneers or what the Seahawks and now
Raiders have done with a Gino Smith.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
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a moment you'll hear I think unbelievable. Ten minutes with
Mark Shapiro, who is the president CEO of TKO. TKO
owns and runs the UFC and the WWE UFC with
a huge, huge new TV deal with CBS and Paramount
(13:35):
seven years, seven point seven billion dollars. How did it
come to be? Just stay tuned you'll find out in
about starting about two minutes. Cubs Brewers taking place right now,
right buyers got it on in studio, he's he's watching,
and of course yesterday, So right now, it's what top
six with two outs, and the Brewers have runners at
(13:57):
first and second. They're down five to three to the Cubbies.
And this is a day night doubleheader. It's the makeup
of last night's night game on the day night doubleheader.
It's a five game series, which you know, I mean,
it's really hard for the Cubs to try and overcome
this gargantuan lead that the Brewers have, but becomes essentially
impossible if they don't win the next what four games
(14:19):
of the series, Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, yeah, you kind of need to win the next
four to have a chance.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah. And then of course, and then I think, super
interesting what happens with Dodgers tonight sweep the Padres and
then lose in the bottom of the ninth to the Rockies.
Have two more against the Rockies before going down to
San Diego take on the Padres yet again. Uh, Jay,
stud what was your what was your? Was it Instagram
or was it a tweet about Manny striking out to
(14:47):
end the series at the Ravine?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I quoted the great Vin Scully. Vin Scully in these
moments would say something over and over again. He would
say that one was reduced to the basics. I'll throw
as hard as I can, you swing as hard as
you can, and we'll see who comes out on top.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I was listening to the game actually driving up
from San Diego, and then I flipped over because I
was going to listen to Buyer. Buyer had the Sunday off,
so it was Monsey and Carry Rhodes.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Actually, I've been doing the mornings this summer with Harmon.
Well mornings for US. Monty and Carry are two to
five Pacific, and Harmon and I are nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But you go didn't know, Oh, didn't know. Sunday's not
usually my sports radio day. I was driving up, I
was like, man, I want to hear Buyer has to say.
I was like, Dan, oh, so we'll keep an eye
on on on Major League Baseball, the game being played
right now at at Wrigley, but also the game tonight
(15:55):
also at Wrigley, and the game tonight in Colorado. Got
some others as well. Note middle Coop's going to join
us in fifteen minutes. We'll get his thoughts on football. Course.
He was on with Colin today in studio for the herd,
But I thought this would be something that you would
all enjoy. You know, when you're in business long enough,
(16:17):
you're going to be drawn to different people in turning
leadership roles. My favorite big boss I've ever had, Smart Shapiro,
and it wasn't because we were close. It wasn't clause
he gave me this huge race. He did give me
a couple opportunities which I will I am forever indebted
to him for, but it was He's just a dynamic
person that is willing to take risks and also when
(16:40):
you have a conversation with him like, he's willing to share.
So that's what we did. We sat down with him.
We recorded about twenty minutes, but then we'll put the
entirety of it on the podcast, which you can hear
upcoming at the top of the hour. Just download podcast
our podcast. For every download podcast, we'll see if we
can throw that interview up on the YouTube channel. By
the way, it's at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. A
(17:04):
YouTube slash at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube. But here's
my conversation on Zoom with Mark Shapiro, TKO President and
COO Okay, So Mark, let's let's start with UFC as
a business model pre dating your agreement with Paramount. Okay,
(17:24):
you've been on obviously both sides of these deals. When
you looked at it and the pay per view model
with ESPN. How healthy a business was it for for UFC.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
You know, it's it's been cyclical.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
I would say overall, the relationship with ESPN just extraordinary
and start there. I mean, obviously, ESPN is the destination
for sports fans. It's appointment viewing and there's no better
marketing partner in sports twenty four to seven. They want
to get behind something, they get behind it. You know
it too well, because of course when they don't, you.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Also know that.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
And they they did more for the UFC than any
partner we've ever had.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
And I would say the fact that we are mainstream
and so strong with young men and the demos that
we have.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Of course it has a lot to do with our
fighting stable and Dana White in the history, but ESPN
took us through another level. So it was great and
we knew what we were walking into. Doug right, this
was an ESPN plus play that they're going to use
the ESPN and ESPN two as a barker channel to
watch the prelimbs, maybe even watch the early prims prelims
(18:34):
and then move you over to ESPN Plus to sign up.
So when we started with them, we were in three
million homes and we quickly grew to twenty four million.
And their words, not ours. We were the anchor tenant
of ESPN Plus.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So it was great.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
But I think over time, over the seven years, a
couple things happened. One is, they just kept raising price
and it got to a point where it was just
too much. And we know that for a fact because
the pay per view started slipping, the total number of
buys and the pirrating went to insane levels. I mean,
(19:10):
and Data, as you know, is now on the board
of metac So we've seen unbelievable numbers across Facebook and
our relationship with YouTube.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
And tens of thousands of streams.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And that give me, give me a sense, give me
some when you say the pirrating, okay, because I know
what you're talking about, because I've been to parties We're
like do we buy this? Like no, no, we got
a we got a firestick. We're in there. What are
the type of numbers that would be pirated.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Tens of thousands of streams, and how many people were
watching each of those streams, we don't even know.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
It just it just got to be too much because
it's too expensive.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
You're paying eleven ninety nine to get ESPN plus that's
what you have to do monthly, and then to get
the pay per view you're paying eighty dollars. So it
almost becomes the sales prevention departments. And we discussed this
with ESPN and they had different data and they just
didn't agree, and they just kept going. They did introduce
some early bird specials if you buy two weeks before
(20:03):
and you get five bucks off, but it was nothing
that was going.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
To solve the crisis.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Now, in their defense, the UFC, while obviously we have
stars aman In Nunez and John Jones and you know,
Justin Gatgee and.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
A lot of folks along the way, Uswan Kamara, we.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Didn't have any more of the level of Connor McGregor
or Rona Rousi in the later years of our seven
year deal. And they would point to the pipeline and
so just being fair across the board. Look, you got
to win to become a star. We can't manufacture it.
This isn't the WWE, and so there might be some
truth to that. But the fighting itself, the matches, the competition,
(20:43):
the events have never been better, never been better, and
the fact that you have a lot of Russian and
Middle Eastern champions, it is what it is. You got
to beat the best, and our core fans get that.
You do want commercial stars, and I think over time
it's very cyclical, rides different waves. When when GSP left
the UFC is, oh my god, they have no other stars,
(21:05):
and then someone else emerges. So you just you gotta
be patient and you got to be in it for
the long haul.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
If you were on the other side, right because I
like it. I like in this one too, when you
were at ESPN and had you lost Monday Night football,
right yeah, because Sunday night when we lost Sunday Night,
but you couldn't lose Monday Night. If you were on
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the other side, what would you have done to prevent
you from switching to Paramount?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I wouldn't let it get away.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I mean, let me just say, Bob Iger is the
biggest sports fan of any executive in the media business.
I mean, he started at ABC Sports and he's a
massive boxing fan too, like he knows the combat sports area.
He came to our Sphere event last year, which was
a real spectacle. Look, you're launching ESPN direct to consumer.
I think it launches, you know, in the next couple
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of days. Here you're charging twenty nine to ninety nine.
You want to see people either authenticate if they have
cable and satellite already, and if they don't, you want
them to pay twenty nine ninety nine. So you want
all the premier sports. The UFC fan is very, very passionate.
I mean it's it's it's the fervor. The fan avidity
(22:21):
is insane, right, And forty percent of our audiences women,
so you've got moms buying, and you've got obviously young men,
young women who watch six hour cards. I mean, this
is what you dream about. There's forty three events. So look,
it's easy to play money. Morning Quarterback. I don't know
(22:42):
the budgets. I don't know their dollars. They've got a
lot of money to spend. They've made big investments in
the NFL, the CFP, the NBA, and you know what,
money doesn't stretch that far, and their linear business is declining,
so they had to make some decisions. I think the
WWE deal is brilliant for them, The idea of WrestleMania
on ESPN brilliance, and maybe they just couldn't afford everything,
(23:02):
but having UFC, which is a year round sport, while
you're trying to launch D two C at twenty nine
to ninety nine, which would be well received, versus the
one hundred dollars fans are paying monthly now for ESPN
plus to get the paper fights. To me, that's something
I wouldn't have passed up. But I don't criticize them.
They're an important partner. There's still the premier destination in sports,
(23:26):
and we're going to help them build this ESPN D
two C.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
The rise of UFC right from when you were first
a young producer at ESPN to now, like the NFL
is one hundred year.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Built, hey, exactly, the NBA has been one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Major League Baseball is over one hundred years to go
from where they were even in the early two thousands
where they were trying to get to mainstream to now
you're talking about a premiere property on.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
The Tiffany Network.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
This is a story that I don't think has ever
played out as such before in sports, is there, Doug.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
When I was running program, I got from voted to
the head of program, I mean thirty two years old.
In twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida Brothers came
and pitched, and they pitched hard on the UFC like
I wasn't sure if I'd get if I said no,
if I might get beat up.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Or they left the room right, And I didn't do it.
And one of the reasons I didn't do it wasn't
all my decision.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
The mouse Disney was it about to put that that
sport where it was with blood on the mat on
ESPN or ABC Sports Now, completely different story.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Obviously, it is mainstream.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It is the rise, the evolution, the ascension, the following,
the fan base, the number of fighters around the globe.
How global it is. I mean, you're talking two and
ten countries and territories that the UFC is currently broadcast in.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
You have six hundred plus fighters, right, you have seventy
five different countries of where they hail from, the fighters.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
You have fifty different languages that broadcast UFC fights. I
can't even believe it. I can't believe where had it
has has gone. You know how it is has come
that far. ESPN has been a big part of that.
I mean they really supercharged it. They they put turbo
into this. Fox was important, Spike was important. Every step
(25:35):
of the way. It was important. But I would tell
you ESPN had had more to do with than anything else.
And of course Dana White and his team and the
way they got behind it and locally and built these stars,
These stars that won and covered the.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Far survive COVID two absolutely survived COVID right and expanded
in COVID when when others had no we had no
live sports.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
And I tell you he was the guy.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
He was calling Ari and I by the art a
I'm not going down. UFC doesn't go down. We will
find a place to do this. We were on our
way to do event a Tachi Wallace, an Indian reservation
in California, so we wouldn't miss a month.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
And by the way, we needed to because money wise,
we would have been in trouble.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Just at that time, Endeavor all of our businesses were
shut down like everybody else, and yet we had this
huge staff and expenses and media rights piece we had to.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Pay at IMG and so we needed to.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Keep the show going, and he worked out a deal
which would have kept us going in ESPN would have
loved it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
And at the end of the day, it was.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Newsome and bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably
insensitive to what's going on. We need you to stand down.
So we didn't do that event. We waited a month
and then bank Fight Island and they were ready for it.
Abu Dhabi the bubble. Newsom was good with it, Bob
Iger was good with it, and we moved on and
that saved the day. And to your point, so many
(26:59):
fans sampled it for the first time and became full
time fans.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Amazing. Well, listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm
sure you all have to do another one and I
really really appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Great to see it. Congratulates all your success.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
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Speaker 1 (27:23):
Let's still a little broadcasting talk. By the way, next hour,
next hour, Uh, we're gonna play for you. A conversation
I had with Mark Shapiro. Mark is the president and
COO of TKO. That's one of the companies that they
(27:44):
own and run the UFC now as well as WWE,
and they just linked a They just signed a seven years,
seven point seven billion dollar deal with Paramount and CBS
seven years, seven point seven billion dollars. He used to
be the head of programming at ESPN when I was there.
There's a lot of reasons to have guests on one,
(28:06):
I think it's an amazing story where UFC is compared
to where it was. Also, they're on the Tiffany Network
on CBS, Like that's a big like CBS handles and
treats themselves a little differently. But also how this deal
kind of came together, I thought, And he's a dynamic dude,
so I thought you'd appreciate that. That's top of the hour.
(28:28):
Speaking of broadcasting, I love Troy Aikman two point zero.
At Fox. He was good, he was always solid, and
he was kind of superstar Troy Aikman. Right, he was
Dallas Cowboys super Bowl champion, three time Super Bowl champion,
Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman. He was good, he
(28:50):
was informed, he was solid, but he wasn't as strongly opinionated.
I believe as he has been at ESPN now, some
of that is again we talk about different networks. Different
networks push you for different types of commentary. You know,
when I was at CBS, it was a lot more about, hey,
tell great stories. I don't say, be a cheerleader, but
(29:13):
sort of be a cheerleader for the game. Whereas ESPN
because they felt like, if you're watching an ESPN college
basketball game on ESPN two, you're a real hardcore fan.
You've got to feed those hardcore fans. It's a little
bit more inside the Beltway commentary. Fox has always been
a little bit more big namey, and now what he's
(29:37):
at ESPN and ABC and covering Monday Night football, I
actually think he and Joe are better. I just I do.
I use that because Troigman was on Monday Night Football
last night and he said this about the Cowboys and
what they look like without Michael Parsons.
Speaker 8 (29:53):
Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're gonna be
to slow anybody down. I mean, he's a total game
wrecord and he's proven that, and he's certainly wor every
penny that he's ultimately going to get paid the longer
it goes, the more money he's gonna make. So I
wouldn't stress too much.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I files him. I'm not stressed. But I also I
do think there's a limit to what you can make.
I think the deal's probably close to already done. You know,
they had the Jerry I had a deal and then
the agent stepped in. You know, they'll probably add something
with non guaranteed money to make it look even better.
(30:27):
But the counter argument to Troy's argument is, yes, he's
a game wrecord, Yes, Michael Parson is a great football player,
but what if the Cowboys aren't good with him? All right?
This was the was it Khalil Mack? Who is the
Raider that he's now with the Chargers? It's the Raider
he got traded to the Bears. I keep thinking Khalil Mack,
(30:53):
but it's not right. It's go ahead, buyer. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I say it is Clil Mac. God why, I don't
even know why? So Khalil Mack? Remember the Raiders trade
him for two first round draft picks. Sorry, guys to
the You guys are sitting there nod in your head
and you're like, no, you got it right? You ever
I don't know. Maybe I'm just questioning myself today.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Sorry, it's Google, Doug.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know, you think you have the right answer, and
you're like, I still have to check it.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was looking at buy and Buyer gave me the nod.
And if Buyer gives me the nod on the YouTube
YouTube channel, then I'm like, okay, Well Byer knows way
more about this than I do, so yeah, okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry, Byr his MIC's not on. There we go, here,
we go, all right.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I don't know if I'm being told something in my
ear or if it's on the air. So when that's
what was happening. So when Sam was saying Khalil Mack,
I thought he was telling it to you, but he
was saying it in my ear.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh, I'm watching it like I'm watching him like Khalil Mack.
And then you're like you look at me like yeah,
And then I was like, well, something in my brain
was some of my brain was telling me what wasn't was. Anyway,
the question becomes, how much better would if the cowboys
can't stop anybody? Of course, slow any he even said
(32:11):
slow anybody down? Can they slow anybody to stop anybody
with Khalil with Michael Parsons, Tom tellusco joins us. He's
a former general manager of the Chargers who signed Khalil
Mack brought him back or not? Did you wait, did
you bring Khalil back back? Or was that after you?
My timeline is screwed up.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
We traded uh with the Bears for Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Right, But when the Bears traded for Khalil Mack from
the Raiders, the Raiders thought was, yeah, we can resign
him to exorbitate some but we're not any good with him,
so let's go get to first round draft picks instead instead. Right,
So that's my question for the Cowboys. I don't think
they're trading him. I think this deal is already done.
But there is a part of you which wonders, Hey,
(32:54):
you know, if we get to we're not any good anyway,
why not get to first round draft picks instead of
putting a bunch money into one guy, which is not
going to change our trajectory all that much.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Well, this is the thing. I mean, two first round
draft picks really aren't enough because if you just look
at the law of averages, those two first round picks
you'll definitely hit on one of the two. You hopefully hit
on two, but it says basically, you're not going to
hit on both and need if to do. Are you
going to hit on one of those that's a premium
player at a premium position, that's an All Pro player,
(33:24):
The odds aren't with you, so to me, if you
did trade on, which they're not going to, but it
have to be picks plus like premium players, it's hard
to get value for a player like him. You just
can't get enough. It can't just be draft picks because
draft picks are essentially lottery tickets, whereas he is a
proven All Pro young player. So yeah, I don't and
(33:45):
I don't see a trade happening at it.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Anyways, what's the usual timeline that most of these things,
you feel like, all right, it's really going to get done,
and about this window so he has enough time to
be ready for week one of the season, Well.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Needs to get done right now. This one is it's
just confusing to me because it just it sounds like
I'm just like you now, Doug. So I'm on the
outside looking in. But if they're not talking, I don't
understand why they're not talking that. Usually you're you're working
on the contract, you're negotiating. It sounds like they're not
so that. I don't know what's going on there, but
you know, you've got three weeks to go before opening day.
(34:23):
You know, he doesn't need all of the preseason, but
he certainly needs some work, some high intensity work to
get ready for it for the opening game, which is
really important against the Eagles. Now, rushing the pastor you
get out there and you can do that, but to
play a lot of snaps especially, it's probably gonna be warm.
He needs to be in right now. But it just
sounds like it's just been so quiet. There's just nothing
going on with that situation right now. I'm not exactly
(34:45):
sure why they We'll find out soon.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
What is your reaction to Daniel Jones being in the
starter in Indy?
Speaker 9 (34:55):
Yeah, to me, I mean, neither quarterback really went out
and won the job in the games they did not.
Maybe practice looked a little bit different, but my thinking
is Shaansdiken just looked at it and between the two players,
he went with a player with more experience both as
a college quarterback and a pro quarterback. He has a
lot of starts under his belt, and he went with
(35:16):
the more comfortable option for right now with Daniel Jones,
and we'll see what he can do. But in these situations,
I wouldn't be surprised if both guys play at some
point of the year. Daniel Jones had a little bit
of an injury history. Hopefully it doesn't show up, but
either do to performance or injury, I think it's a
good chance that still Richardson plays at some point. But
(35:37):
I can see the decision today on you know, they
want the more consistent quarterback, and as of right now,
Daniels more consistent right now than Richardson, even though Richardon
can make some eye popping throws and eye popping plays,
but the up and down, the accuracy, just the overall
in consistency level, this isn't quite there yet.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Last year, I don't know if you want to call
it a trend, it was sort of trendy last year
for these guys getting a second shot, you know, at
starting And I mean obviously Sam Donald had a spectacular
year in with with with the Minnesota Vikings. Baker has
(36:16):
found a home with with with Tampa. You know, Kirk
Cousins obviously was a guy who he was more high
end talent back when he was with Minnesota, but early
on before it fell apart, the returns were good in Atlanta.
I bring it up because last year you were kind
of in this situation with the Raiders right where you
(36:36):
don't have a you don't have a guy at O'Connell, like,
you don't have a guy on the roster. You hadn't
drafted a guy. Instead, you went and drafted the best
tight end in football. What's the what was your thoughts,
thought process behind trying to find the right fit, the
right guy to get you through a year, to get
you to this draft or freegency period where you can
(36:58):
then maybe potentially getting a starting quarterback.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Yeah, you're essentially looking for a bridge quarterback, someone that
you know they can come in play consistent football, hopefully
win some games for you. But you also know in
the back of your mind that you know that's not
your long term franchise quarterback and you're not have to
find out in the draft at some point. But which
is why last year, even during the season, I tried
(37:22):
to try to convince Daniel Jones to come to the
Raiders and you know, just to give us another option
down the stretch. But Daniel and his agent, they actually
give them credits. They made a really good decision. Even
though it was a practice squad with Minnesota goes, there
are signs in the practice squad rehabilitates a little bit,
learns of the new offense. Then as a free agent
and he picked a team and the colt that has
(37:43):
a chance to go to and really compete for the job.
He went in there competing for the job. And one
but you're just looking for smart playing, consistent play to
get you through. I mean, if you don't have the guy.
And this year about a third of the teams are
going into the season with a new coquarterback, so you
know everybody's whether it's our drafted player or our free agent.
(38:05):
I think Daniel Jones fits that category of it can
hopefully can bring it touple consistency. But the other quarterbacks
you mentioned a lot of times it's just right place,
right time, maybe the right coordinator, maybe the right head coach,
maybe have right talent around them on offense, to the
offensive line, the weapons that they have. And then some
of these quarterbacks, as a failed one like Anthony Richardson,
(38:25):
he'll always get another chance He'll just can get one
more chance to col So I'm sure if that doesn't
work out, somebody else will give you a chance because
he does have talent. He's just still learning the professional
game and everything that goes into being an NFL quarterback,
and most of it is Monday through Saturday, with all
the preparation that goes into getting ready to play that game.
And I think right now they're just more comfortable with
(38:45):
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco, former general manager of both the
Chargers and then for last year, the Las Vegas Raiders.
He joins us for his weekly visit here in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The Browns. Uh first,
what uh what'd you think of how Dylan Gabriel played.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
I thought he played well. I thought he he made
quick decisions, got the ball out of his hands. Yeah,
I thought he played very well. So you know, in
scha door played well. So you've got two young quarterbacks
that you know they're going to be on their roster.
But I think we all knew, you know, even with
the four quarterbacks that had it really wasn't a four
man competition for the starting job. I think we all
(39:31):
realized that it was going to be Joe Flacco, and
then we didn't get a chance really see Canny Pickett
playing much. But we kind of know what he is.
But we need to see these two young quarterbacks play.
And Dylan has for not the biggest guy in the world,
he has good arm strength. The ball really comes out
of his hand with some pace and velocity, and he
(39:52):
made quick decisions. It was accurate with the football. I
didn't think that the I n T threw wasn't necessarily
his fault. The two guys at Saint Mary and the
players starting to pull his hands back thinking it was
not going to go to him, which happens, But I
thought he did it fine. So we'll probably see a
lot of those two guys this week, I assume. I hope.
I'd love to see these two guys play more because
(40:13):
they're gonna have to set back end of their depth
chart if something happens to Joe Flack will either injury
or just performance. They have to know who the next
guy in is. A Gabriel is the shooter standers as
a picket you know, well, they keep four going in
the season, and they may at least for a couple
of weeks. I don't think they can do that the
whole season, but they may go with four to start
off and take it from there.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Can you keep four quarterbacks?
Speaker 9 (40:35):
You know you can if you're healthy. I think you can. Initially,
you're just gonna have to go short in some areas
that you really don't want to go short in. I
think as the season goes on, as injuries hit, I
just I don't see a way you could really keep
four on your roster. But I'm sure they can probably
juggle it for the first couple of weeks if they
had to. When they want to, you're just going to
have to be completely healthy, because you know the margins
(40:58):
are top. You know, you're fifty three man ross, so
you can only dress forty eight. So they have a
couple of players in your rochester that you know, there's
no way they can contribute on game day because they're
not going to play and I don't play special teams. Obviously,
it's going to be difficult, but I think Andrew Smart
you can probably pull off for a little bit, but
in the end they'll have to make a decision at
some point, probably get the three.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Okay, I know you don't watch practice tape, right and
you're not in on meetings, so I'm just trying to
be fair. But if it was you, what would you
do with four quarterbacks? What would you do?
Speaker 9 (41:32):
I'd probably try and trade Picket. You know, at least
he has a body of work. He's a former first
round pick, really high character player, and I wouldn't want
to give up on Gabriel or Story yet. So I
think in the end, if there's a team out there
that needs a backup, maybe you can move Picket for something.
I know it's not going to be a lot, it'll
probably be a late Day three pick, at least get
something in return. And then you've got, you know, an
(41:54):
older veteran quarterback with Flaco. Hopefully he can hold the
ship down this year. And if he can't, you've got
two young players waiting in the wings that to get
some time. So that would probably be my thought.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well you did, then what was the purpose of signing Picket.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Well, don't forget that they signed in before the draft,
so no, I know, yeah, it's a completely it's a
completely new quarterback room because they've run in Flack as well.
Flack it was with the Colts last year, so they
signed Joe. You just never know how the draft is
going to play out, so it probably made sense, and
they made the trade for they made the trade for pickets,
so they have somebody in the house with a little
(42:30):
bit of background. And then they probably thought was well,
draft a quarterback, which they did and then just happened
to be Gabriel And then they're in the fifth round
and Shoulder are still there. So you know, Andrew took
Andrew Barry took a you know, really talented player late
in the draft. So now you got four. It's better
than having none. But yeah, it's it's going to be
(42:51):
hard to keep all four for the whole year. It's
almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Uh okay, let's let's time to let's go. Our guest here,
Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. Trey Hendrickson is still
sitting out. They're listening to offers. The Bengals usually do
a very good job of keeping their own. But he's
a little bit older and wants a lot of money.
What do you do if you're the Bengals.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
Yeah, this is this has gone on a little bit
longer than I thought it would. And you know, they
they listened last spring. I mean they they looked at
the trade route last spring and just really nothing materialized,
and I don't think anything more would materialize now and
something hugely changed with somebody else, but it doesn't sound
like that's going to go anywhere. I think he's either
planning for the Bengals or nobody. But at some point,
(43:40):
you know, the player has to realize that. You know,
you're looking for an extension. You're not a free agent.
You know, you're not an unrestricted free agent where you
can dictate all the terms that you want. You know,
the years and the average per year and the total
and the guaranteed money. So you know, at some point,
at some point you have to get to work because
this is this is where you're playing and you're in
(44:00):
a contract. So hopefully they get to that. I don't
know again this you know that the Bengals do it
the right way. They don't negotiate in public. We really
don't know what their offers are. If it's just one
year guaranteed money that I agree with the player in
the agent, but he's going to have to have some guarantees.
The year two a good amount of guarantees, I was thinking,
and I wouldn't have a problem with that. I mean,
I know he's an older player, but pass rushers play
(44:23):
well later into their career and I'm not as concerned
about him having a huge drop off later on, certainly
not in the first two years. And you know, he's
a really good rusher to me, He's not in that
Nick Bosa, Miles, Garrett, Watt, Crosby, He's not in that area.
But he's the next group down. So you know, if
the hang ups guaranteed money, then that has to be
(44:45):
figured out a year two. But again, you know it's
time to play, like we got three weeks to go
before opening day. Obviously they need them, but you also can't.
You have to do the right contract with the player too,
and with a lot of these players, Look, if you
want the market price and everything at what you want
in a contract and play out the season and become
a freegment at the end of the year, that's one
option you have, and then you are a true free agent.
(45:07):
You send anywhere you want and get the exact deal
that you want. But you have to get the freedency first,
which would be come in and play the season and
go from there.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Tommy, really really quickly, you said, the Bengals do it
the right way. The Bengals are a team that I
think the national narrative is they're cheap and they don't
do it the right way. What do they do that
you would you would say is the right way?
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Well, what I meant and that that that statement was
we haven't heard a lot publicly about what they're offering,
negotiating contract that stuff. You just there's no sense doing
that publicly, So they've kind of kept that under wraps,
which you know, for me, for me and you, it's
not fun because I want to know exactly what they're offering.
But they're doing that the right way, and they resigned
their own where they can.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (45:48):
So you know, I know they're the Bengals and they
take a bad rep, but look they do things a
little bit differently sometimes. But I like what they're doing here.
It's just at this point, both sides got to get
together and figure this out and get it going.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
He's time Telesco former GM eleven years with the Chargers,
last year with the Raiders, and he's only right here
on Fox Sports ready with the Doug Gottlieb Show, You're
the best, Tom, talk to you next week.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
All right, thanks Dorek. Take care.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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