August 20, 2025 • 45 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about a statement from the agent of Colts' quarterback Anthony Richardson about his client's future and explains why Richardson isn't the starter, and gives a reason why we might be seeing Richardson sooner than later.
In today's installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the industry of sports talk radio.
Doug welcomes former three-time Super Bowl champ Mark Schlereth to cover the major headlines around the NFL and to discuss his latest Fantasy Football endeavor.
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the nod if you will is uh, was that the
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Indianapolis Colts had named Daniel Jones Danny Dimes their starting quarterback,
which obviously, to anyone who's paying attention, signifies that, yeah,
might be about it for Anthony and Richardson in Indy, Right,
that's reasonable when you're a top ten pick and a
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guy who was on the street mid season last year
and on the street this year and signed, which is,
you know, making good money twelve million dollars, but that's
still it was still look at his backup money and
Anthony Richardson is on the bench. Yeah, it's reasonable. What's
his future? I think you know what it is. I
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think you know what it is. But I'd also say that,
just as we said yesterday, Just as we said yesterday,
the story of the NFL last year on many levels
was former first round picks, former starting quarterbacks getting a
chance elsewhere. Sam Darnold, it was his fourth team, but
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he made it work and now he's on his fifth
team and he's a starting quarterback. Gina Smith a couple
of years ago, and of course now this year with
the Raiders getting a chance to continue to extend what
is a much better finish than start to his career.
Baker Mayfield's found a home in Tampa, so it's never
truly over, but it's probably over in Indy. Right, this
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is the same guy who didn't want to go back
into the game. Teammates noticed, this is the same guy
who's been injured multiple times over it's really hard to
make up that ground. And this is a guy who's
just not been an accurate thrower. And there is something
that you know when when relationships go bad, comments that
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can be taken either way or always taken as as negatives. Right,
anybody's been in a in a relationship that that has
gone bad, you say one thing, even if it's meant
to be a positive, it's taking its negative. And the
one I would bring up is Anthony Richardson saying in
the preseason, I want to I want to be a sponge,
I want to learn this offense, back front, otherwise or whatever.
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It's like, you've been with the same coach the whole time.
You didn't want to do that before. That would be
that'd be a very reasonable thought. So his agent's saying,
I don't know what the future is here. Yeah, you do. Yeah,
you do, you absolutely do. Where the to me, the
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proper messaging isn't woe is me, isn't f this place,
isn't anything negative. Anthony Richardson will be ready whenever his
number is called, and if Danny Daniel Jones is the starter,
he will do everything to still be ready and support
Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback because his only job
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is to do whatever it takes to help the Colts
win this year. And that may sound cheesy and on
some levels probably not terribly accurate, but that's the job.
And if you want to remain in the NFL, that's
going to have to be the job until somebody gives
you another opportunity. Right you had the chance, and despite
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the fact that everybody wanted to make it work, they
couldn't make it work for you. To this point in Indy,
you're still under contract. They're not cutting you even though
they could, and you'll probably get a chance this year,
but you're not going to get that opportunity right now
off the start, and instead they're giving it to Daniel Jones.
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You know, Daniel Jones has led a team to the playoffs.
So and if you think it's about anything other than
what it's about. All you have to know is Shane
Steichen has to win, and if you have to win,
you're gonna do whatever it takes to put the best
possible product on the field, the best possible product on
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the field. Uh, you know, I thought it was interesting
what his his agent, de Eric Jackson said, we have
a lot to discuss, all right, We've got a lot
to discuss, Like, oh yeah, we got we got a lot.
We got a lot to discuss. One AFC executive said,
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it's hard to say to play and the injuries have
been bad enough, so it's a hard one. But if
a team had a real need, since he has plenty
of team control left, there should be something out there
for him. Huh. So the best thing for him is
to sit, wait, be ready and be ready to play.
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And you know, there's also new ownership, so they don't
you know, this is when you have a new ownership.
They didn't draft him. You have a coach who was
part of the group that drafted him, the same general manager.
So these aren't things that are working against him, These
are things working for him. I think they just think
that Danny Dimes gives him a better chance to win,
and I'm not sure most people would disagree, right would
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anybody not disagree? So Stichen was adamant, and I'm reading
from an article here at ESPN dot com that the
intention is for Daniel Jones to be the permanent starter.
That means he'll be three full seasons into his career,
he being Anthony Richardson with only one season's worth of
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games played. You know, in the NFL they have that expression,
your best ability is availability. And here's where Anthony Richardson's
kind of stuck. In order to be the best version
of himself, you gotta run him because he's a spectacular athlete.
In order to run him, you put him in harm's way,
and he keeps getting hurt. So if you have him
stand back there and just pass, that's not what he
does well. It's just not. Not only is that not
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what he does well, he actually has done it fairly
poorly in terms of accuracy in comparison to other quarterbacks
in the NFL. Can he throw him out, yes, Can
you throw one hundred miles an hour? Sure? Can he
run yeah? But you don't want to let him run,
and he has tendency to be inaccurate with him throwing
the football. I understand his agent makes some comments and
you sit there and go like, hey, you know, you
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know what what what does this look like? You know,
his agent, Derek Jackson, trust is a big factor and
that is at best questionable right now. Anthony came back,
made improvements in the areas he needed to improve, and
by all accounts, he had a great camp. You can
have a great camp, you can improve, but he was
so far by and you're looking at this and this
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is his agent's job. His agent is his advocate. His
agent is his support staff. His agent has to have
his back. He can improve, It still doesn't make him
better than Daniel Jones. Shane Steichen has been there, has
seen it, has lived it, He's invested in it. And
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this is maybe the most important point to make. If
you have the same GM and you have the same
head coach who calls the place and they are ready
to move on to a different quarterback, that's actually that's
a huge, huge issue in red Flag to most people
in the NFL because most general managers have to make
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it work. With a top five pick. You just do.
If you miss at this level, it become I mean, look,
it happened in San Francisco. They miss with Trey Lance.
Now they were able to make it work with mister Irrelevant,
but they missed with Trey Lance. And Trey Lance has
bounced around and he's having a good preseason with the Chargers,
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but still not going to get the opportunity. And Trey Lance,
similar to Anthony Richardson, didn't have a ton of reps
in college. For him, he didn't have any. He only
had one REP game in the COVID year against the
Division One team. But his agent's acting like there's a
trust issue there, you know, because I'm sure he thinks, well,
I my guy didn't get a fair shot, dude, this
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is your third full camp there. They want it to happen.
If it's not happening at some point, it's the player
and he's just not good enough for it, just wasn't ready.
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really feel this way that Anthony Richardson though it feels
like it's unfair that he's not gonna get that third
bite at the apple. One, Danny Die has been hurt before.
There's a better than average chance he gets a chance again. Two,
I think most importantly, let's not act like the the
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gentle manager and the head coach aren't invested, don't want
to make it work. And three, there's gotta be some
accountability that he hadn't been very good, and then he
hadn't been very healthy. It's got it's here's why it's interesting.
We got a great topic coming up next, and I
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Speaker 2 (13:05):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So it's an easy topic for us. Jason Stewart's all
over this. It's National Radio Day. He had a cool
tweet pictures of him with his illustrious career and I'm in.
But there's lots of different elements to it. So Jace, do,
how do you want to talk about National Raga.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Dog, I'll take it from here. I think that's between
If we do the math. If we do the math,
I've got almost thirty years in. I think you've got
over twenty. Isaac after he interned for Steve Carbone, has
put in what five plus I was lower than an intern,
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and then Sam's got a good fifteen.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
We're at like eighty five years here.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's a lot a lot of radio, a lot of
sports radio to be specific. I just kind of wanted
to touch base about the industry on National Radio Day
because it's just it's obviously something that's been in the
country for what decades and decades, but landscapes change, paradigms shift,
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and I want to talk about the medium that I
love so dearly, and if I could, I'll just start
with this. Okay, there are a lot of people that
have podcasts. I think the number was thirty two million
at last count, thirty two million podcasts around the world,
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So there are a lot of people just putting on
their computer what we have been doing for many years talking.
And I think that there has been a couple downstream
impact impacts, impact impactfulness, downstream effects of that. I think
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the standards of actual radio broadcast, the presentation of it
has lowered a little bit and I think they're just
kind of is a there's been a gradual lacking of
appreciation for the traditional way of doing this. Now Doug
didn't do it traditionally, but I think Sam and Isaac
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and I we studied this in college. We paid our
dues through internships, and we came up through the system,
and I think that that on a resume is no
longer very impressive. So those are kind of my thoughts
in twenty twenty five about sports radio.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I here's here's mine. Obviously, it's different when you're on
the talent side as opposed the production side. For people
who don't know this, I actually got asked the question
yesterday by one of my new assistant coaches, and they
were like, why do you still do the radio, And
I said, because I love it. I love radio. Where
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does that go back from? I was like, Well, to
be honest, my dad used to like old time radio,
and he had old time radio cassette tapes because they
used to I don't know if you know this Chase too.
There's a station in Los Angeles KNX, which was the
one of the two old news stations, and on I
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think Saturday nights, maybe been Sunday nights, but I think
it was Saturday nights. They would play an hour of
old time radio.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Oh yes, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes, And my dad was He's not that old, but
he was like an old soul. So he's born in
nineteen forty, so he sort of missed, you know, the
golden era of World War two radio, you know. But
he was a fan of Burns and Allen, the Bickersons,
the Jack Benny Show, and he bought these cassette tapes
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and there's still my mom's house and we used to
listen to him when we drive around southern California. We
listened to old time radio Amerging and then you know,
fast forward to when you know, then sports radio. When
I was in high school, I grew up on Ley Hacksaw, Hamilton,
I want to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
With you Wednesday touchdown San Diego.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Anyway, Baha to the Canadian Rockies.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
There you go, can I guess a hiye call?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And late at night there was this wild show where
guys would call in and talk smack and order out
drunk drug tests for somebody who did something stupid in
the world of sports. That was Jim Rowe.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How great is that?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right? Right?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Uh, you know, you had the rat Family, you had
Monica Mouse, you know, you had oh so good. So
it's really interesting now when you have a bad day
or you have a tough season like we had last year.
Like the two of the things I dreamed of growing up,
I get to do every day, which is coach college
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basketball and have a sports radio show. I think it's awesome,
and I wonder. I don't know how it gets delivered,
you know, from her now, but I do think that
there's always going to be a value to the live
sports radio instant reaction stuff. I just do. I realize that,
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you know, AM radio is being being pushed out on
some level. I know how many podcasts. I know you
can do longer form interviews and you can get some
great stuff. I agree with Jay stew In that for
every great podcast interview, there's a million that are terrible, terrible.
Not that sports radio or live radio is always the best,
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but you definitely get it up to the minute. And
I can think of one hundred different things that happened
while I was on radio. The Boston Marathon, bombing Red Sox, Yankees,
Aaron effing Boone, right, so many things happened while is
on radio that it's all about your instant reaction as
an educated sports fan, and that's what makes it great
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to me. So and yeah, I do. I think that
all of these shows are great. No, but because it's
getting condensed. I mean, we have you have two Hall
of Famers in our lineup, and the great thing about
Dan and Colin is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You were talking about me and Isaac.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I'm sorry, I didn't even think it was talking about the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Great thing about those two is I think Colin is
into the maybe second part of his prime, and I
still think Dan just so delivers. He's the guy that
we feel like has been in our lives since childhood
because he was the face of Sports Center. So yeah,
I think there's a lot of crap out there, but
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I think our lineup is as good as anything that
there's ever been in sports radio. And I think you
only have that because others have fallen by the wayside
and there's not the competition for live radio the way
there is previously. I also think, like, look, there's just
this is a hard medium to do. It's hard to
be able to react, have a take. Do things have
interviews where you have a time limit, you know, you
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can't just go blow through breaks. I think that stuff
is hard, and I do think that we've been doing
it long enough to where we maybe even sometimes.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Take it for granted.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I will, can I get a botchy ball call from
Chula Vista? Sorry, I couldn't resist, all right. I'll say
this from the perspective of someone who is on air
and is not part of the business side, which I
think is way more difficult. My anecdotal experience, based on
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the people that I hear from on social media, great
fans of Fox Sports radio and other things, and the
people I hear from in volume in a cross section
of location, I think more people than ever are listening
to the radio, and more people are listening than even
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people in the business think are listening. But the challenge
in this day or age, this day and age is
how to accurately measure that and how to monetize that that.
As someone who is in the on air side of it,
I think that is really challenging and something that I have.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's because for people who don't understand this, Okay, there
are different ways in which they track ratings. It's you know,
they used to be yet to fill out like a journal.
Right now they have these little monitors you can you
can have on your hip whatever. Whereas podcasts you can
see the number of downloads, and some guys can inflate
those numbers. There's tricks for getting in algorithms and whatever,
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but generally for podcasts you could track it. For radio,
it's kind of a you gotta take a word for
it sort of thing. But I agree with you. You know,
I cannot tell you how many places I go. And
you guys know I travel a lot. When I was
in Tennessee that started last week, and you know, I
walk into a restaurant and hey, I listen to your
radio show. You know it's not I download your podcast.
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That's your radio show. I get in southern California. I
get it when I travel here and we're on in Appleton,
I get it wherever I I was in Chicago the
Cubs game, I get a hey. You know, so I
agree with you. I people still because this is a relationship.
You know, I've been doing this long enough. I was
on air when my I got called away, my kids
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were born. You know, I've gone through every different stage
of life so far in twenty five years being on
the radio. And you don't get that as much with
with podcasts, so I you know, I'm I'm with you, though,
Ilo it is tricky how to monetize it. That's not
necessarily our job, how to measure it not necessarily a job,
but it does affect our job.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And this is also a different way about expressing why
I remain and again I'm biased, but I remain high
on the future of radio and its permanent place in
our society. Let's say, in a non sports way, an
earthquake hits here in southern California or some other heaven
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forbid disaster across the country. What's always going to be
reliable as your way to communicate, particularly in your car,
It's going to be the radio. What is the instant
live thing. I mean, I remember, as not someone in
the business, but as just a listener when I heard
that shohy Otani signed with the Dodgers in the in
the off season before twenty twenty four, I was out
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and about the first thing I did turn on the
radio because I want to hear people talking about something
that's happening in real time, and from a oddly mechanical standpoint,
you're in your car, it is mechanically easier to listen
to the radio, all you do is make one one
movement as you're driving, especially if the station you want
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to listen to that's carrying Fox Sports Radio is already there.
But if you want to listen to a podcast, there
are more physical and mechanical movements when you're driving a
car to select it depending on your car, or I
got to scroll to this, I gotta get this app.
But literally, with radio, your one physical movement and done.
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And for those reasons, I think there's always going to
be a place for radio in our society. The challenge
is always going to be how to monitor accurately the
number of listeners and how to monetize it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Radio piggyback off of Isaac's point there, radio is just
sharing now more of the pie of people, you know,
the general listening and viewing audience. I want to Isaac
brings up a great point radio and I want to
just in general, like Sports Center, just things where people
pick out the stories for you and presented to you.
Was is and always will be a hands free endeavor.
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Right you're driving, you can't look on every people say.
Now you're on Twitter, you can just get all your
highlights on Twitter. Well, that involves, like you said, Isaac,
scrolling and looking around. The thing about Sports Center, the
thing about radio shows is that they pick out the
stuff for you and then you if you're working with
your hands, you're doing dishes, you're driving, that entertainment is
brought to you. You don't have to use your phone,
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you don't have to look at a little rectangle. You
are being entertained with your ears and with TV with
your eyes and ears. And I don't think that'll ever
go away, because there will be a lot of things
we still do with our hands besides touching our phone
and using our phone. We need radio because it's it's like,
in a way, it's like a two it's like a
two dimensional thing like it. It's not about your hands
and you're all your senses. It's about hearing, it's about listening,
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or it's about if it's on TV, it's about watching
and listening. So I think it'll always be relevant. We're
just sharing more of the pie now.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And I would also juxtapose that with what seems counterintuitive,
but I think the future of traditional over the air
television is actually in deeper trouble because you're seeing live
sports start to go way from traditional television now to
Netflix and YouTube, and the same for entertainment. So I
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think that that arguably is in danger of facing the
same challenges the radio is. But I think radio will
always be there.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I do think. I think audio will always be there.
I think that getting into the phone has been the
biggest thing, right, and the iHeartRadio app is just awesome,
And now we have that preset where you can just again,
because this is to your point, it's a lot like
the challenges for writers. You know that I think people read.
(26:43):
I could be wrong because some of this has shifted,
but I thought for a long time people read more.
They just weren't reading newspapers. You know, you're reading online articles.
And I think people listen to audio now way more
than they used to. Right, how many people, you know,
like if you was suggest even books, they listen to
books on tape or you know, it's like I got
a podcast for you, I got a radio show for you.
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And so the challenge is how to make it so
that everyone has headphones in especially in every major city
in the country. How do you get it so that
you're delivering every time you hop in the car, like
I would love to get to the point where there's
instead of just a you know, serious XM button or
an auxiliary button or a Bluetooth button, there's a Fox
Sports Radio button, you know, or selfishly adug Gottlie button
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right where you just press it. That's my guy. I
listen to his content. You know. It's like Howard Stern
had his own channel and then he had his own
archives or whatever. Like, I think that stuff is great,
but I think that the live stuff to be able
to get live sports radio, I agree with you. I
love like again, if there's an God forbid that there's
an earthquake, I don't necessarily think they should tune to us.
But all these things that happen in sports off the field.
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On the field, you want instant reaction, but you also
want you need the experience of it. You need the
experience of producers who have done it for twenty five years,
radio hosts who've done it for twenty five years, because
they they understand how things work better because of that perspective.
So yeah, I mean, look, there's the here's if you're driving,
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or you're listening in your cube, or you listen to
this on our podcast, which does exist, right, know that
there's I think the two greatest confidents you can give
to a radio guy was one, I listened through the
break and two two I got to where I was
going and I didn't get out of the car until
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that segment was over. Those two things you say, and
our hearts just leap for you, leap for you. That's
when you know you're really doing a good job right radio.
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So this is Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So
Mark slearethill joinas in I don't know about five minutes here,
there was Archie Manning, that's the grandpa to arch Manning
came out and it's like, hey, arch isn't leaving college
this year back for another year. And as we point
out the time and I like the Anthey and Richardson thing.
(29:22):
I think he started like fourteen games in college. You
got to see a volume of reps because you don't
get a ton of time to prove yourself in the NFL.
If you're not good enough, they move on again. Anthony
Richton becomes a poster boy for that. But take a
listen to Arch Banning, starting quarterback Heisman Trophy candidate for
the Texas Longhorns number one ranked preseason Texas Longhorns, in
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response to his grandpa's comments, Arch.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Your grandpa gave an interview or he said he expects
you to be here next year?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Is he right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
He texted me and apodize about that, but I'm really
just taking a day by day right now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah. So there was a little uncomfortable fake media laugh there. Jaystude,
do you hear that one?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I always hear that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I know you do. I when I heard that, when
I heard that drop, I was like, that's Jason Stewart
one on one, just like we drew it up. Oh Tom,
oh Tom, oh Tom. But again, let's not get it twisted.
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Like I don't know where I heard that from. I
do think that's what the Mannings think, and I just
think it's the and I actually believe in what Arch
Banning is saying, which is like I didn't want to
talk about next year. I don't want to think about
next year. I don't want to put it out there
because that's taking away any percentage of focus of today.
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And it may sound hokey, it may sound very tony
Robbin's esque. You know, it maybe may sound like come on, man,
everybody's but it is really unhealthy. It just is, you know,
I have a player I love coaching, and he came
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back for another year. He will have at least one,
maybe two more years to play after this, and we
were just talking about this, like what do you want
to do? What do we want to do about next year?
He's like, just why should we talk about it? Like
what's the point? You know, we'll worry about next year
next year. And I love it, but it is a
very hard thing mentally to convince yourself to do. But
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you're only going to convince yourself to do it if
every time it's brought up you say, I'm not thinking
about it. I can't think about it. But man, it's
a hard thing to do because you don't know. And
the last thing you want to do is say, worst
case scenario, I'm not very good. I have to come back.
These are first world problems. He has a great year,
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wins the national Championship, win his highest than trophy, do
you come back then? Like, I don't know, maybe maybe not.
I don't know. So the best way to approach it
is the just worry about today. And so where Grandpa
Archie is wrong is he articulated a thought about tomorrow
which you can leave in the back of your subconscious
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you can't utter and talk about. And in this case
this is gen Z who, of course Chase two also
despises feeling like I look, I know, it's a little
it's a little like a Tony Robbins. It's a little
like a quote you see on a billboard, or you know,
a quote you see on a whiteboard, but it is
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actually true. You just you can't start thinking about the
end of the year in the next year, especially when
you haven't played a snap this year and your first
Napskain ins Ohio State. It's the Gottlieb Show here on
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that in a second. Stink.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
How are you I'm doing good, doggie man? How are you?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm good, good, good. To catch up. Let's let's start
with a couple of teams near and dear to your heart. Okay,
because two teams who you played for, two teams you
won Super Bowls with, and two teams that had to me,
they were surprisingly really good years last year. Start with
the Broncos. Okay, Uh, everybody talks about the Broncos defense.
They did play a soft schedule because the last play
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schedule obviously from the from the year before. What are
your thoughts on their ability to take that next step
this year?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Well, I tell you what. I'm at camp every day,
so I've watched pretty much every practice, so I've been
around them quite a bit. And what they've done with
that roster. You know last year and I said this,
I go just mark it down. They had they were
sitting at five and a half. I said, pound the over.
This roster is a lot better than the national pundits
they're giving it credit for. And they had it ranked
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at the thirtieth best or thirty first best roster. Well,
they're a much better roster now with some experience than
they were even then. And I tell you what backup
players like they can afford or they can have a
couple of injuries and still be okay because of what
they've done. And then they're scrimmaging the Arizona Cardinals the
other day. And Jonathan Gannon, their head coach, a good
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buddy of mine, and I said, hey man, you know
all the narrative has been bone Nicks got carried by
the defense. You know, they had a soft schedule, they
only beat one team with a winning record. You know,
how the whole how, the whole thing goes. And I go,
what do you make of bon Nicks? And he said,
that dude can lead them to us, That dude can
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lead them into playoffs. Like, forget about the defense. That
guy's good enough to lead them in the playoffs. So
this is a really strong football team. Yeah, they're you know,
the lack of experience in the receiver position, a little bit,
a little bit of an unknown in the running back position. JK. Dobbins,
I think RJ. Harvey Doug I think he's gonna be
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if he stays hell they I think he's going to
be a thousand yard rusher. That guy is dynamic, he
is tough, and he's learning how to run in a system.
So it's it's pretty like, it's pretty exciting in Denver.
People are pretty pretty stoked about this football team.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Obviously, bo Nick's you know, a ton of experience in
college and then he's playing for a quarterback whisper and
in Sean Payton. But sometimes that second year is more
difficult because the playbook is bigger, the expectations grow, and
yet you still really only have one year in the league. Right.
Where is bo Nix in his kind of evolution as
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a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah? I think all those things are fair points, you know,
and they've been brought up to Sean a bunch and
Sean basically just you know, sweeps those under the rug
and says, not with this kid. This kid is just
that mature and that good and that's smart, and you know,
I think the other thing is Sean understands that second
year and he wants to build off that secondary, but
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he understands for them to go where they want to go,
you know, it's not just going to be relying on
the defense. They have got to fix the run game.
And that's really what they focused a ton on this
offseason was fixing that running game, and a lot of
it was the talking to the Broncos, talking to Sean Payton,
was the fact that the backs really didn't understand entry points,
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mesh points, run of the football. So it wasn't so
much that the plays weren't blocked efficiently enough. It's that
the backs just missed the entry points, they missed the holes.
And it was really funny. The very first play of
the preseason against San Francisco, RJ. Harvey has a eighteen
handoff and it's something that's been running this league, hell
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since I played for the Denver Broncos. Simple eighteen handoff
and he gets about three yards two and a half
three yards too wide. And if he hits the actual
entry point, now I've got it on the Stinking Truth podcast.
I actually did a breakdown on my podcast and you
can see it. I tell us I used the telestrator.
If he hits it where it's supposed to go from
an entry point standpoint, it's a ten to twelve yard run.
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If he breaks one tackle or makes a cornerback miss,
it's a seventy yard house call and it's blocked perfectly,
and he turns that twelve yard run into a one
yard game because he's just off that pace. That's the
problem they had last year. That's what they're coaching these
backs up on. And I tell you what, it improved
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dramatically from preseason game one to preseason game two. We'll
see if they can still make those strives.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Let's call the Redskins. Sorry, they were the Redskins and
he played from the Commanders team. Yeah, and obviously you
know you're part of the Hogs. You're part of the
absolute best of that franchise. Last year, I mean, Jane
Daniels was I mean, he was the better draft pick
than Caleb Williams and Cliff Kingsbury. System worked, and then
obviously you have kind of a defensive savant as your
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head coach. It all worked. The biggest challenge to the
Commanders this season is what.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I really think that I really think it's the Terry
McLaurin situation, Like there comes a time when that just
creates bad juju in the locker room. And they've done
everything right from getting red of Schneider to bringing in
Dan Quinn. Dan corn is not just a defensive guru,
but that guy is That guy is just a guy
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you want to play for. He is just an incredible
motivator and an incredible connector of people. And so like,
I think that was one of the strong suits. Obviously,
Jayden Daniels was tremendous. Cliff Kingsbury his second goal around
as a play caller, and I had a chance to
sit down with him three or four times last year
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as I called Washington games, and he was incredible sitting
down with him talking about what he learned from when
he first got in the league running that you know,
NFL style air raid to what he knows now and
what didn't work and all the things he learned in that,
and I think that was really cool. And then bringing
in Anthony Lynn, former head coach of the Chargers, former
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head coach of the Bills. He's a really just a
staunch believer in the run game and that really helped.
That really helped that offense as well. But the Terry
McLaurin thing, Terrys is in the community. He is beloved,
He's beloved in the locker room. He's one of the
most gracious, just the best people you'd ever want to
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be around. And when an organization decides that, hey, it's
going to play hardball with a guy like that, eventually
the rest of us that are in that locker room
go well, they're going to do it to him, They'll
do it to all of us, and it can create
some bad juju. I don't think it's there quite yet,
but they're getting close, and I think they need to
figure out a deal to make him a part of
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that team. And the other thing is, every time I
call one of their games, Doug, you know, the defensive
coordinator on the other side, he's not talking about, you know,
stopping Brian Robinson or one of the other backs or
Jayden Daniels as much as they are talking about we
got to shut down McLaurin because it doesn't matter who
the back or who the quarterback is. That dude is
a twelve hundred yard you know, eighty five ninety reception
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guy every single year.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Micah Parsons, what do you do through the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Well, if I was the Cowboys, I'd have had him
signed two years ago. Like id of taken care of
my business. You got to you gotta sign him.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
He's like, you.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Knew this is the problem with the Cowboys. You knew
when he was a rookie day he was a superstar.
You knew how good the guy was. And the fact
that you shuffle your feet and you push it off,
and you push it off, and you delay it and
you delay it, like what are you guys doing? And
ultimately what it does is it costs you more money
and doesn't allow you to participate in free ation see
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to its fullest. That's why this Dallas Cowboy's done a
great job drafting, but they don't participate in free agency.
Why because they always wait till the eleventh hour to
sign Hey, Dak Prescott, wait till the first game of
the season before you sign him. You know. Now, Michael
Parson is the same situation. So I mean it's already
that shit is sale. They're not gonna get him signed early, obviously,
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but I mean you've got to sign the guy. You
got to make him the highest paid defensive player in football.
And I know they don't want to, but that's what
you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I don't know if they don't want to because they
had a deal. I don't understand the cutting out the agent.
I do understand the agent has pissed, But at the
end of the day, you got to get this thing done.
He's got to he's he's got to play some football.
What about Trey Hendrickson he's a little bit longer in
the two. You know, the Bengals don't negotiate in public,
but now they're shopping him as well. But he does
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need to play this year. So at what point do
you come off of your negotiating horse say hey, I'm
just gonna play this year and then I'll be a
free agent next year if we can't get a deal done.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah, well he is. He's come out to my knowledge
and said I'm not going to play without a new deal.
And so I think, you know, on Monday Night Football
and they were talking about everything has been agreed to
it with least assaulters on the report, I believe everything's
been agreed to except you know, the upfront money, which
is obviously the total guarantee is the most important part.
So nothing's really been agreed to if that hasn't been
(42:21):
agreed to. So you know that one is is a
little sticky situation. But you look at the Bengals right now,
just the way they're structured, and there's part of me
I just look at Joe Burrow and go, you guys
just waste You're wasting one of the great quarterbacks in
all of the NFL. I think he's the best quarterback
in football. And you know, I know, you sign wide
receivers and everybody gets, you know, all excited about that.
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But your scheme and your system. One, your scheme doesn't
protect the defense because you're always in shotgun, you're always
throwing the ball. And then you know, your system allows
Joe Burrow to take a ton of hits. And I
just hate the way they're structured. I hate the way
operator as an organization. And then you know, you take
your best defensive player and say, hey man, we're you know,
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we're gonna play hardball with you, even though you've led
the league in sacks the last two years at seventeen
and a half both years. So again, it's just one
of those Bengal things, you know, like you're just gonna
screw this thing up, aren't you.
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We appreciate you joining us. Mark sleara three times Super
Bowl champion, due time pro bowler NFL on Fox Analyst.
He'll join us up covering twenty five minutes. Get his
thoughts on specifically two teams that he played for, Commanders
where he won a Super Bowl under Joe Gibbs, and
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of course, the Denver Broncos. He's at camp on a
daily basis. Can the Broncos take the next step? Last year?
Bo nicks at a breakthrough year, that defense is outstanding,
well as stink. What his thoughts are on the ceiling
of the Broncos So yesterday, the news of the day,
the nod if you will is uh, was that the
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Indianapolis Colts had named Daniel Jones Danny Dimes their starting quarterback,
which obviously, to anyone who's paying attention, signifies that, yeah,
might be about it for Anthony and Richardson in Indy, Right,
that's reasonable when you're a top ten pick and a
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guy who was on the street mid season last year
and on the street this year and signed, which is,
you know, making good money twelve million dollars, but that's
still it was still look at his backup money and
Anthony Richardson is on the bench. Yeah, it's reasonable. What's
his future? I think you know what it is. I
(02:00):
think you know what it is. But I'd also say that,
just as we said yesterday, Just as we said yesterday,
the story of the NFL last year on many levels
was former first round picks, former starting quarterbacks getting a
chance elsewhere. Sam Darnold, it was his fourth team, but
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he made it work and now he's on his fifth
team and he's a starting quarterback. Gina Smith a couple
of years ago, and of course now this year with
the Raiders getting a chance to continue to extend what
is a much better finish than start to his career.
Baker Mayfield's found a home in Tampa, so it's never
truly over, but it's probably over in Indy. Right, this
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is the same guy who didn't want to go back
into the game. Teammates noticed, this is the same guy
who's been injured multiple times over it's really hard to
make up that ground. And this is a guy who's
just not been an accurate thrower. And there is something
that you know when when relationships go bad, comments that
(03:06):
can be taken either way or always taken as as negatives. Right,
anybody's been in a in a relationship that that has
gone bad, you say one thing, even if it's meant
to be a positive, it's taking its negative. And the
one I would bring up is Anthony Richardson saying in
the preseason, I want to I want to be a sponge,
I want to learn this offense, back front, otherwise or whatever.
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It's like, you've been with the same coach the whole time.
You didn't want to do that before. That would be
that'd be a very reasonable thought. So his agent's saying,
I don't know what the future is here. Yeah, you do. Yeah,
you do, you absolutely do. Where the to me, the
(03:52):
proper messaging isn't woe is me, isn't f this place,
isn't anything negative. Anthony Richardson will be ready whenever his
number is called, and if Danny Daniel Jones is the starter,
he will do everything to still be ready and support
Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback because his only job
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is to do whatever it takes to help the Colts
win this year. And that may sound cheesy and on
some levels probably not terribly accurate, but that's the job.
And if you want to remain in the NFL, that's
going to have to be the job until somebody gives
you another opportunity. Right you had the chance, and despite
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the fact that everybody wanted to make it work, they
couldn't make it work for you. To this point in Indy,
you're still under contract. They're not cutting you even though
they could, and you'll probably get a chance this year,
but you're not going to get that opportunity right now
off the start, and instead they're giving it to Daniel Jones.
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You know, Daniel Jones has led a team to the playoffs.
So and if you think it's about anything other than
what it's about. All you have to know is Shane
Steichen has to win, and if you have to win,
you're gonna do whatever it takes to put the best
possible product on the field, the best possible product on
(05:26):
the field. Uh, you know, I thought it was interesting
what his his agent, de Eric Jackson said, we have
a lot to discuss, all right, We've got a lot
to discuss, Like, oh yeah, we got we got a lot.
We got a lot to discuss. One AFC executive said,
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it's hard to say to play and the injuries have
been bad enough, so it's a hard one. But if
a team had a real need, since he has plenty
of team control left, there should be something out there
for him. Huh. So the best thing for him is
to sit, wait, be ready and be ready to play.
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And you know, there's also new ownership, so they don't
you know, this is when you have a new ownership.
They didn't draft him. You have a coach who was
part of the group that drafted him, the same general manager.
So these aren't things that are working against him, These
are things working for him. I think they just think
that Danny Dimes gives him a better chance to win,
and I'm not sure most people would disagree, right would
(06:32):
anybody not disagree? So Stichen was adamant, and I'm reading
from an article here at ESPN dot com that the
intention is for Daniel Jones to be the permanent starter.
That means he'll be three full seasons into his career,
he being Anthony Richardson with only one season's worth of
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games played. You know, in the NFL they have that expression,
your best ability is availability. And here's where Anthony Richardson's
kind of stuck. In order to be the best version
of himself, you gotta run him because he's a spectacular athlete.
In order to run him, you put him in harm's way,
and he keeps getting hurt. So if you have him
stand back there and just pass, that's not what he
does well. It's just not. Not only is that not
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what he does well, he actually has done it fairly
poorly in terms of accuracy in comparison to other quarterbacks
in the NFL. Can he throw him out, yes, Can
you throw one hundred miles an hour? Sure? Can he
run yeah? But you don't want to let him run,
and he has tendency to be inaccurate with him throwing
the football. I understand his agent makes some comments and
you sit there and go like, hey, you know, you
(07:40):
know what what what does this look like? You know,
his agent, Derek Jackson, trust is a big factor and
that is at best questionable right now. Anthony came back,
made improvements in the areas he needed to improve, and
by all accounts, he had a great camp. You can
have a great camp, you can improve, but he was
so far by and you're looking at this and this
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is his agent's job. His agent is his advocate. His
agent is his support staff. His agent has to have
his back. He can improve, It still doesn't make him
better than Daniel Jones. Shane Steichen has been there, has
seen it, has lived it, He's invested in it. And
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this is maybe the most important point to make. If
you have the same GM and you have the same
head coach who calls the place and they are ready
to move on to a different quarterback, that's actually that's
a huge, huge issue in red Flag to most people
in the NFL because most general managers have to make
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it work. With a top five pick. You just do.
If you miss at this level, it become I mean, look,
it happened in San Francisco. They miss with Trey Lance.
Now they were able to make it work with mister Irrelevant,
but they missed with Trey Lance. And Trey Lance has
bounced around and he's having a good preseason with the Chargers,
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but still not going to get the opportunity. And Trey Lance,
similar to Anthony Richardson, didn't have a ton of reps
in college. For him, he didn't have any. He only
had one REP game in the COVID year against the
Division One team. But his agent's acting like there's a
trust issue there, you know, because I'm sure he thinks, well,
I my guy didn't get a fair shot, dude, this
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is your third full camp there. They want it to happen.
If it's not happening at some point, it's the player
and he's just not good enough for it, just wasn't ready.
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really feel this way that Anthony Richardson though it feels
like it's unfair that he's not gonna get that third
bite at the apple. One, Danny Die has been hurt before.
There's a better than average chance he gets a chance again. Two,
I think most importantly, let's not act like the the
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gentle manager and the head coach aren't invested, don't want
to make it work. And three, there's gotta be some
accountability that he hadn't been very good, and then he
hadn't been very healthy. It's got it's here's why it's interesting.
We got a great topic coming up next, and I
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think this is the answer as to why. Here's what
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should be outstanding. Man. We got some good things, good
good things working, good things working. Every day we do
something called the mid not every day. Every Wednesday we
do something called the Midway. It's the middle of the week, Wednesday,
middle of the day, middle of our show. Yeah, you know,
we have an hour podcast drops after the show. It's
called in the Bonus, so three hours. This is the
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middle and sometimes we go off hardcore sports, but we
find a topic that we want to throw around and
we call it the Midway. Is not getting the middle,
it's time for.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So it's an easy topic for us. Jason Stewart's all
over this. It's National Radio Day. He had a cool
tweet pictures of him with his illustrious career and I'm in.
But there's lots of different elements to it. So Jace, do,
how do you want to talk about National Raga.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Dog, I'll take it from here. I think that's between
If we do the math. If we do the math,
I've got almost thirty years in. I think you've got
over twenty. Isaac after he interned for Steve Carbone, has
put in what five plus I was lower than an intern,
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and then Sam's got a good fifteen.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
We're at like eighty five years here.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's a lot a lot of radio, a lot of
sports radio to be specific. I just kind of wanted
to touch base about the industry on National Radio Day
because it's just it's obviously something that's been in the
country for what decades and decades, but landscapes change, paradigms shift,
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and I want to talk about the medium that I
love so dearly, and if I could, I'll just start
with this. Okay, there are a lot of people that
have podcasts. I think the number was thirty two million
at last count, thirty two million podcasts around the world,
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So there are a lot of people just putting on
their computer what we have been doing for many years talking.
And I think that there has been a couple downstream
impact impacts, impact impactfulness, downstream effects of that. I think
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the standards of actual radio broadcast, the presentation of it
has lowered a little bit and I think they're just
kind of is a there's been a gradual lacking of
appreciation for the traditional way of doing this. Now Doug
didn't do it traditionally, but I think Sam and Isaac
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and I we studied this in college. We paid our
dues through internships, and we came up through the system,
and I think that that on a resume is no
longer very impressive. So those are kind of my thoughts
in twenty twenty five about sports radio.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I here's here's mine. Obviously, it's different when you're on
the talent side as opposed the production side. For people
who don't know this, I actually got asked the question
yesterday by one of my new assistant coaches, and they
were like, why do you still do the radio, And
I said, because I love it. I love radio. Where
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does that go back from? I was like, Well, to
be honest, my dad used to like old time radio,
and he had old time radio cassette tapes because they
used to I don't know if you know this Chase too.
There's a station in Los Angeles KNX, which was the
one of the two old news stations, and on I
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think Saturday nights, maybe been Sunday nights, but I think
it was Saturday nights. They would play an hour of
old time radio.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Oh yes, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yes, And my dad was He's not that old, but
he was like an old soul. So he's born in
nineteen forty, so he sort of missed, you know, the
golden era of World War two radio, you know. But
he was a fan of Burns and Allen, the Bickersons,
the Jack Benny Show, and he bought these cassette tapes
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and there's still my mom's house and we used to
listen to him when we drive around southern California. We
listened to old time radio Amerging and then you know,
fast forward to when you know, then sports radio. When
I was in high school, I grew up on Ley Hacksaw, Hamilton,
I want to talk sports.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
With you Wednesday touchdown San Diego.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Anyway, Baha to the Canadian Rockies.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
There you go, can I guess a hiye call?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And late at night there was this wild show where
guys would call in and talk smack and order out
drunk drug tests for somebody who did something stupid in
the world of sports. That was Jim Rowe.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
How great is that?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right? Right?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
So?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Uh, you know, you had the rat Family, you had
Monica Mouse, you know, you had oh so good. So
it's really interesting now when you have a bad day
or you have a tough season like we had last year.
Like the two of the things I dreamed of growing up,
I get to do every day, which is coach college
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basketball and have a sports radio show. I think it's awesome,
and I wonder. I don't know how it gets delivered,
you know, from her now, but I do think that
there's always going to be a value to the live
sports radio instant reaction stuff. I just do. I realize that,
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you know, AM radio is being being pushed out on
some level. I know how many podcasts. I know you
can do longer form interviews and you can get some
great stuff. I agree with Jay stew In that for
every great podcast interview, there's a million that are terrible, terrible.
Not that sports radio or live radio is always the best,
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but you definitely get it up to the minute. And
I can think of one hundred different things that happened
while I was on radio. The Boston Marathon, bombing Red Sox, Yankees,
Aaron effing Boone, right, so many things happened while is
on radio that it's all about your instant reaction as
an educated sports fan, and that's what makes it great
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to me. So and yeah, I do. I think that
all of these shows are great. No, but because it's
getting condensed. I mean, we have you have two Hall
of Famers in our lineup, and the great thing about
Dan and Colin is.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You were talking about me and Isaac.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I'm sorry, I didn't even think it was talking about the.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Great thing about those two is I think Colin is
into the maybe second part of his prime, and I
still think Dan just so delivers. He's the guy that
we feel like has been in our lives since childhood
because he was the face of Sports Center. So yeah,
I think there's a lot of crap out there, but
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I think our lineup is as good as anything that
there's ever been in sports radio. And I think you
only have that because others have fallen by the wayside
and there's not the competition for live radio the way
there is previously. I also think, like, look, there's just
this is a hard medium to do. It's hard to
be able to react, have a take. Do things have
interviews where you have a time limit, you know, you
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can't just go blow through breaks. I think that stuff
is hard, and I do think that we've been doing
it long enough to where we maybe even sometimes.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Take it for granted.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I will, can I get a botchy ball call from
Chula Vista? Sorry, I couldn't resist, all right. I'll say
this from the perspective of someone who is on air
and is not part of the business side, which I
think is way more difficult. My anecdotal experience, based on
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the people that I hear from on social media, great
fans of Fox Sports radio and other things, and the
people I hear from in volume in a cross section
of location, I think more people than ever are listening
to the radio, and more people are listening than even
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people in the business think are listening. But the challenge
in this day or age, this day and age is
how to accurately measure that and how to monetize that that.
As someone who is in the on air side of it,
I think that is really challenging and something that I have.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's because for people who don't understand this, Okay, there
are different ways in which they track ratings. It's you know,
they used to be yet to fill out like a journal.
Right now they have these little monitors you can you
can have on your hip whatever. Whereas podcasts you can
see the number of downloads, and some guys can inflate
those numbers. There's tricks for getting in algorithms and whatever,
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but generally for podcasts you could track it. For radio,
it's kind of a you gotta take a word for
it sort of thing. But I agree with you. You know,
I cannot tell you how many places I go. And
you guys know I travel a lot. When I was
in Tennessee that started last week, and you know, I
walk into a restaurant and hey, I listen to your
radio show. You know it's not I download your podcast.
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That's your radio show. I get in southern California. I
get it when I travel here and we're on in Appleton,
I get it wherever I I was in Chicago the
Cubs game, I get a hey. You know, so I
agree with you. I people still because this is a relationship.
You know, I've been doing this long enough. I was
on air when my I got called away, my kids
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were born. You know, I've gone through every different stage
of life so far in twenty five years being on
the radio. And you don't get that as much with
with podcasts, so I you know, I'm I'm with you, though,
Ilo it is tricky how to monetize it. That's not
necessarily our job, how to measure it not necessarily a job,
but it does affect our job.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And this is also a different way about expressing why
I remain and again I'm biased, but I remain high
on the future of radio and its permanent place in
our society. Let's say, in a non sports way, an
earthquake hits here in southern California or some other heaven
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forbid disaster across the country. What's always going to be
reliable as your way to communicate, particularly in your car,
It's going to be the radio. What is the instant
live thing. I mean, I remember, as not someone in
the business, but as just a listener when I heard
that shohy Otani signed with the Dodgers in the in
the off season before twenty twenty four, I was out
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and about the first thing I did turn on the
radio because I want to hear people talking about something
that's happening in real time, and from a oddly mechanical standpoint,
you're in your car, it is mechanically easier to listen
to the radio, all you do is make one one
movement as you're driving, especially if the station you want
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to listen to that's carrying Fox Sports Radio is already there.
But if you want to listen to a podcast, there
are more physical and mechanical movements when you're driving a
car to select it depending on your car, or I
got to scroll to this, I gotta get this app.
But literally, with radio, your one physical movement and done.
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And for those reasons, I think there's always going to
be a place for radio in our society. The challenge
is always going to be how to monitor accurately the
number of listeners and how to monetize it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Radio piggyback off of Isaac's point there, radio is just
sharing now more of the pie of people, you know,
the general listening and viewing audience. I want to Isaac
brings up a great point radio and I want to
just in general, like Sports Center, just things where people
pick out the stories for you and presented to you.
Was is and always will be a hands free endeavor.
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Right you're driving, you can't look on every people say.
Now you're on Twitter, you can just get all your
highlights on Twitter. Well, that involves, like you said, Isaac,
scrolling and looking around. The thing about Sports Center, the
thing about radio shows is that they pick out the
stuff for you and then you if you're working with
your hands, you're doing dishes, you're driving, that entertainment is
brought to you. You don't have to use your phone,
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you don't have to look at a little rectangle. You
are being entertained with your ears and with TV with
your eyes and ears. And I don't think that'll ever
go away, because there will be a lot of things
we still do with our hands besides touching our phone
and using our phone. We need radio because it's it's like,
in a way, it's like a two it's like a
two dimensional thing like it. It's not about your hands
and you're all your senses. It's about hearing, it's about listening,
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or it's about if it's on TV, it's about watching
and listening. So I think it'll always be relevant. We're
just sharing more of the pie now.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And I would also juxtapose that with what seems counterintuitive,
but I think the future of traditional over the air
television is actually in deeper trouble because you're seeing live
sports start to go way from traditional television now to
Netflix and YouTube, and the same for entertainment. So I
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think that that arguably is in danger of facing the
same challenges the radio is. But I think radio will
always be there.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I do think. I think audio will always be there.
I think that getting into the phone has been the
biggest thing, right, and the iHeartRadio app is just awesome,
And now we have that preset where you can just again,
because this is to your point, it's a lot like
the challenges for writers. You know that I think people read.
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I could be wrong because some of this has shifted,
but I thought for a long time people read more.
They just weren't reading newspapers. You know, you're reading online articles.
And I think people listen to audio now way more
than they used to. Right, how many people, you know,
like if you was suggest even books, they listen to
books on tape or you know, it's like I got
a podcast for you, I got a radio show for you.
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And so the challenge is how to make it so
that everyone has headphones in especially in every major city
in the country. How do you get it so that
you're delivering every time you hop in the car, like
I would love to get to the point where there's
instead of just a you know, serious XM button or
an auxiliary button or a Bluetooth button, there's a Fox
Sports Radio button, you know, or selfishly adug Gottlie button
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right where you just press it. That's my guy. I
listen to his content. You know. It's like Howard Stern
had his own channel and then he had his own
archives or whatever. Like, I think that stuff is great,
but I think that the live stuff to be able
to get live sports radio, I agree with you. I
love like again, if there's an God forbid that there's
an earthquake, I don't necessarily think they should tune to us.
But all these things that happen in sports off the field.
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On the field, you want instant reaction, but you also
want you need the experience of it. You need the
experience of producers who have done it for twenty five years,
radio hosts who've done it for twenty five years, because
they they understand how things work better because of that perspective.
So yeah, I mean, look, there's the here's if you're driving,
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or you're listening in your cube, or you listen to
this on our podcast, which does exist, right, know that
there's I think the two greatest confidents you can give
to a radio guy was one, I listened through the
break and two two I got to where I was
going and I didn't get out of the car until
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that segment was over. Those two things you say, and
our hearts just leap for you, leap for you. That's
when you know you're really doing a good job right radio.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
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Speaker 1 (29:01):
So this is Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So
Mark slearethill joinas in I don't know about five minutes here,
there was Archie Manning, that's the grandpa to arch Manning
came out and it's like, hey, arch isn't leaving college
this year back for another year. And as we point
out the time and I like the Anthey and Richardson thing.
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I think he started like fourteen games in college. You
got to see a volume of reps because you don't
get a ton of time to prove yourself in the NFL.
If you're not good enough, they move on again. Anthony
Richton becomes a poster boy for that. But take a
listen to Arch Banning, starting quarterback Heisman Trophy candidate for
the Texas Longhorns number one ranked preseason Texas Longhorns, in
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response to his grandpa's comments, Arch.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Your grandpa gave an interview or he said he expects
you to be here next year?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Is he right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
He texted me and apodize about that, but I'm really
just taking a day by day right now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah. So there was a little uncomfortable fake media laugh there. Jaystude,
do you hear that one?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I always hear that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I know you do. I when I heard that, when
I heard that drop, I was like, that's Jason Stewart
one on one, just like we drew it up. Oh Tom,
oh Tom, oh Tom. But again, let's not get it twisted.
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Like I don't know where I heard that from. I
do think that's what the Mannings think, and I just
think it's the and I actually believe in what Arch
Banning is saying, which is like I didn't want to
talk about next year. I don't want to think about
next year. I don't want to put it out there
because that's taking away any percentage of focus of today.
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And it may sound hokey, it may sound very tony
Robbin's esque. You know, it maybe may sound like come on, man,
everybody's but it is really unhealthy. It just is, you know,
I have a player I love coaching, and he came
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back for another year. He will have at least one,
maybe two more years to play after this, and we
were just talking about this, like what do you want
to do? What do we want to do about next year?
He's like, just why should we talk about it? Like
what's the point? You know, we'll worry about next year
next year. And I love it, but it is a
very hard thing mentally to convince yourself to do. But
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you're only going to convince yourself to do it if
every time it's brought up you say, I'm not thinking
about it. I can't think about it. But man, it's
a hard thing to do because you don't know. And
the last thing you want to do is say, worst
case scenario, I'm not very good. I have to come back.
These are first world problems. He has a great year,
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wins the national Championship, win his highest than trophy, do
you come back then? Like, I don't know, maybe maybe not.
I don't know. So the best way to approach it
is the just worry about today. And so where Grandpa
Archie is wrong is he articulated a thought about tomorrow
which you can leave in the back of your subconscious
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you can't utter and talk about. And in this case
this is gen Z who, of course Chase two also
despises feeling like I look, I know, it's a little
it's a little like a Tony Robbins. It's a little
like a quote you see on a billboard, or you know,
a quote you see on a whiteboard, but it is
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actually true. You just you can't start thinking about the
end of the year in the next year, especially when
you haven't played a snap this year and your first
Napskain ins Ohio State. It's the Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, and he's a three time Super Bowl champion,
two time Pro bowler. If you don't know the stink,
well maybe you'll know Mark Shlaire, Mark Shlareth. He joins
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us on behalf of a renegade fantasy. We'll get to
that in a second. Stink.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
How are you I'm doing good, doggie man? How are you?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I'm good, good, good. To catch up. Let's let's start
with a couple of teams near and dear to your heart. Okay,
because two teams who you played for, two teams you
won Super Bowls with, and two teams that had to me,
they were surprisingly really good years last year. Start with
the Broncos. Okay, Uh, everybody talks about the Broncos defense.
They did play a soft schedule because the last play
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schedule obviously from the from the year before. What are
your thoughts on their ability to take that next step
this year?
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Well, I tell you what. I'm at camp every day,
so I've watched pretty much every practice, so I've been
around them quite a bit. And what they've done with
that roster. You know last year and I said this,
I go just mark it down. They had they were
sitting at five and a half. I said, pound the over.
This roster is a lot better than the national pundits
they're giving it credit for. And they had it ranked
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at the thirtieth best or thirty first best roster. Well,
they're a much better roster now with some experience than
they were even then. And I tell you what backup
players like they can afford or they can have a
couple of injuries and still be okay because of what
they've done. And then they're scrimmaging the Arizona Cardinals the
other day. And Jonathan Gannon, their head coach, a good
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buddy of mine, and I said, hey man, you know
all the narrative has been bone Nicks got carried by
the defense. You know, they had a soft schedule, they
only beat one team with a winning record. You know,
how the whole how, the whole thing goes. And I go,
what do you make of bon Nicks? And he said,
that dude can lead them to us, That dude can
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lead them into playoffs. Like, forget about the defense. That
guy's good enough to lead them in the playoffs. So
this is a really strong football team. Yeah, they're you know,
the lack of experience in the receiver position, a little bit,
a little bit of an unknown in the running back position. JK. Dobbins,
I think RJ. Harvey Doug I think he's gonna be
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if he stays hell they I think he's going to
be a thousand yard rusher. That guy is dynamic, he
is tough, and he's learning how to run in a system.
So it's it's pretty like, it's pretty exciting in Denver.
People are pretty pretty stoked about this football team.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Obviously, bo Nick's you know, a ton of experience in
college and then he's playing for a quarterback whisper and
in Sean Payton. But sometimes that second year is more
difficult because the playbook is bigger, the expectations grow, and
yet you still really only have one year in the league. Right.
Where is bo Nix in his kind of evolution as
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a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Yeah? I think all those things are fair points, you know,
and they've been brought up to Sean a bunch and
Sean basically just you know, sweeps those under the rug
and says, not with this kid. This kid is just
that mature and that good and that's smart, and you know,
I think the other thing is Sean understands that second
year and he wants to build off that secondary, but
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he understands for them to go where they want to go,
you know, it's not just going to be relying on
the defense. They have got to fix the run game.
And that's really what they focused a ton on this
offseason was fixing that running game, and a lot of
it was the talking to the Broncos, talking to Sean Payton,
was the fact that the backs really didn't understand entry points,
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mesh points, run of the football. So it wasn't so
much that the plays weren't blocked efficiently enough. It's that
the backs just missed the entry points, they missed the holes.
And it was really funny. The very first play of
the preseason against San Francisco, RJ. Harvey has a eighteen
handoff and it's something that's been running this league, hell
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since I played for the Denver Broncos. Simple eighteen handoff
and he gets about three yards two and a half
three yards too wide. And if he hits the actual
entry point, now I've got it on the Stinking Truth podcast.
I actually did a breakdown on my podcast and you
can see it. I tell us I used the telestrator.
If he hits it where it's supposed to go from
an entry point standpoint, it's a ten to twelve yard run.
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If he breaks one tackle or makes a cornerback miss,
it's a seventy yard house call and it's blocked perfectly,
and he turns that twelve yard run into a one
yard game because he's just off that pace. That's the
problem they had last year. That's what they're coaching these
backs up on. And I tell you what, it improved
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dramatically from preseason game one to preseason game two. We'll
see if they can still make those strives.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Let's call the Redskins. Sorry, they were the Redskins and
he played from the Commanders team. Yeah, and obviously you
know you're part of the Hogs. You're part of the
absolute best of that franchise. Last year, I mean, Jane
Daniels was I mean, he was the better draft pick
than Caleb Williams and Cliff Kingsbury. System worked, and then
obviously you have kind of a defensive savant as your
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head coach. It all worked. The biggest challenge to the
Commanders this season is what.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I really think that I really think it's the Terry
McLaurin situation, Like there comes a time when that just
creates bad juju in the locker room. And they've done
everything right from getting red of Schneider to bringing in
Dan Quinn. Dan corn is not just a defensive guru,
but that guy is That guy is just a guy
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you want to play for. He is just an incredible
motivator and an incredible connector of people. And so like,
I think that was one of the strong suits. Obviously,
Jayden Daniels was tremendous. Cliff Kingsbury his second goal around
as a play caller, and I had a chance to
sit down with him three or four times last year
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as I called Washington games, and he was incredible sitting
down with him talking about what he learned from when
he first got in the league running that you know,
NFL style air raid to what he knows now and
what didn't work and all the things he learned in that,
and I think that was really cool. And then bringing
in Anthony Lynn, former head coach of the Chargers, former
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head coach of the Bills. He's a really just a
staunch believer in the run game and that really helped.
That really helped that offense as well. But the Terry
McLaurin thing, Terrys is in the community. He is beloved,
He's beloved in the locker room. He's one of the
most gracious, just the best people you'd ever want to
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be around. And when an organization decides that, hey, it's
going to play hardball with a guy like that, eventually
the rest of us that are in that locker room
go well, they're going to do it to him, They'll
do it to all of us, and it can create
some bad juju. I don't think it's there quite yet,
but they're getting close, and I think they need to
figure out a deal to make him a part of
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that team. And the other thing is, every time I
call one of their games, Doug, you know, the defensive
coordinator on the other side, he's not talking about, you know,
stopping Brian Robinson or one of the other backs or
Jayden Daniels as much as they are talking about we
got to shut down McLaurin because it doesn't matter who
the back or who the quarterback is. That dude is
a twelve hundred yard you know, eighty five ninety reception
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guy every single year.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Micah Parsons, what do you do through the Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Well, if I was the Cowboys, I'd have had him
signed two years ago. Like id of taken care of
my business. You got to you gotta sign him.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
He's like, you.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Knew this is the problem with the Cowboys. You knew
when he was a rookie day he was a superstar.
You knew how good the guy was. And the fact
that you shuffle your feet and you push it off,
and you push it off, and you delay it and
you delay it, like what are you guys doing? And
ultimately what it does is it costs you more money
and doesn't allow you to participate in free ation see
(41:00):
to its fullest. That's why this Dallas Cowboy's done a
great job drafting, but they don't participate in free agency.
Why because they always wait till the eleventh hour to
sign Hey, Dak Prescott, wait till the first game of
the season before you sign him. You know. Now, Michael
Parson is the same situation. So I mean it's already
that shit is sale. They're not gonna get him signed early, obviously,
(41:21):
but I mean you've got to sign the guy. You
got to make him the highest paid defensive player in football.
And I know they don't want to, but that's what
you're gonna have to do.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I don't know if they don't want to because they
had a deal. I don't understand the cutting out the agent.
I do understand the agent has pissed, But at the
end of the day, you got to get this thing done.
He's got to he's he's got to play some football.
What about Trey Hendrickson he's a little bit longer in
the two. You know, the Bengals don't negotiate in public,
but now they're shopping him as well. But he does
(41:52):
need to play this year. So at what point do
you come off of your negotiating horse say hey, I'm
just gonna play this year and then I'll be a
free agent next year if we can't get a deal done.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah, well he is. He's come out to my knowledge
and said I'm not going to play without a new deal.
And so I think, you know, on Monday Night Football
and they were talking about everything has been agreed to
it with least assaulters on the report, I believe everything's
been agreed to except you know, the upfront money, which
is obviously the total guarantee is the most important part.
So nothing's really been agreed to if that hasn't been
(42:21):
agreed to. So you know that one is is a
little sticky situation. But you look at the Bengals right now,
just the way they're structured, and there's part of me
I just look at Joe Burrow and go, you guys
just waste You're wasting one of the great quarterbacks in
all of the NFL. I think he's the best quarterback
in football. And you know, I know, you sign wide
receivers and everybody gets, you know, all excited about that.
(42:43):
But your scheme and your system. One, your scheme doesn't
protect the defense because you're always in shotgun, you're always
throwing the ball. And then you know, your system allows
Joe Burrow to take a ton of hits. And I
just hate the way they're structured. I hate the way
operator as an organization. And then you know, you take
your best defensive player and say, hey man, we're you know,
(43:05):
we're gonna play hardball with you, even though you've led
the league in sacks the last two years at seventeen
and a half both years. So again, it's just one
of those Bengal things, you know, like you're just gonna
screw this thing up, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
How is Renegade Fantasy different from other apps, different from
other fantasy places.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Well, I think it's I think it's really cool because
they'd been working on this for several years and you know,
getting the technology and then getting you know, getting the
patent and all that stuff on it. It's it's in
game substitution. So if you go to you go to
Mark schleret dot Renegade Fantasy dot com. You can join
my league, but you can substitute in the middle of
(43:46):
the middle of the game. Your quarterback's not playing well,
you got to back up on the bench. You can
substitute them out. Guy gets injured, substitute them out, and
and so that's how Renegade Fantasy works. So it's no
longer that player's fault that you lost your fantasy matchup.
You've got the opportunity to sub out anybody on your roster.
It just makes it's just a game change or with
(44:08):
having the ability to do that and manage your football
team throughout sun throughout each and every week of Sundays.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It's awesome. By the way. You can download the Renegade
Renegade Fantasy app from the App Store and Google Play today.
Cash prizes are available in Mark Schlere's Mark's stinkin Truth
Fantasy Showdown League. That's Renegade Fantasy. He's a three time
Super Bowl champion, he's two time Pro Bowl Alignment. Of
course you hear him call NFL games on Fox. He's
the one and only Stank Mark Slayer. Stank You're the
(44:37):
best man. Thanks for spending some time with us.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Appreciate that you take care everybody, you too.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
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Speaker 6 (44:57):
To one here to Bellinger, Pitt swing on a having
deep to right, going back.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Mangum, he's on the track. Look it up.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It's out of here.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
Two run homer Tony Bellinger his second homer tonight.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
It's twelve to New York. That is the eighth home
run hit by the Yankees. We're in the sixth inning.
Oh hit by the eighth inning. We're in the city.
I mean they had nine home runs, franchise record that
that that was what honestly like, I'm gonna go cheesy,
old man. Great day in baseball yesterday, Cubs, Uh fro
(45:34):
from the Brewers. That's baseball, Yeah it is, it is baseball.
That's baseball. Yeah. Uh your Dodgers bounce back when they're
when they're fourth out of five. They found they beat
the Rockies, so Rubbert Match tonight, and then of course
they got three in San Diego where they can really
separate themselves from Padres, who one again last night. Great,
(45:56):
just a great night baseball with the Yankees. Holy cow,
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