August 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Monse in for Doug as they talk about the Cowboys documentary on Netflix and how it is not necessarily the true story of the 90's Cowboys. Dan and Monse love what Deion Sanders said to his players about a dress code. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes them through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Car Moncey, I don't want to give a correction right
out of the gates, but I feel it's one network,
one dude, one gal, ninety seven different time slots. Is
that appropriate for you and me as we sit it
for Doug.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Todaysh You're right, we need to switch that up a
little bit. That's so perfect.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're here, there and everywhere on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in,
just like the Dallas Cowboys are here, there and everywhere
talking about the Cowboys even when there isn't a game
to talk about. Hit Mancy up at Manzy Bolanos. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Isaac Low
and Cron will be keeping us up today of what's
happening on this Thursday, breaking news and whatnot. There doesn't
(01:02):
seem to be a lot of news about Micah Parsons
and the Dallas Cowboys, except that Brian Schottenheimer SETI expects
Parsons to be ready two weeks from today. Yes, two
weeks from today is the season opener for the Dallas Cowboys,
even though no progress has been made on a new
contract about the Dallas Cowboys. But that's not the Cowboys
that we are talking about. We are talking about the
(01:23):
movie Star Dallas Cowboys, the documentary Star Dallas Cowboys, as
they've been shining on Netflix since their debut earlier this week.
As The Cowboys Documentary has many interested, including us here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, no, Dan, I was not entirely sure what I
was getting myself into. I was like, Okay, another sports
thing that I'm gonna go pretend to watch and see
how much it peaks my interests. I was hooked Dan
two episodes last night. I went to about it two
in the morning because I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I gotta I have to know what happens with America's team.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Now I know what happens with America's team, but I was, uh,
you know, either not born or just coming out into
the world when all of this was happening, and so
I there's certain details I was unfamiliar with, and I was,
I'm telling you, I was hooked. I like, I can't
wait to go watch episode three, four, five, six, eight.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
This is quite the change of opinion from Monzies, considering
what was texted at about nine point thirty last night
from Jason Stewart in our group text. Mancey's response, I
haven't started watching it and don't know if i'll have
time to do it before tomorrow's show. It's place, it's changed.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, yes, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I just was like, you know, when you're when you're
off at late from the station. I got home and
I was like, I'm just gonna put it on and
if it keeps me up, it keeps me up. If not,
I'm going to sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And that's that's telling the story of this documentary. No,
I was, I had to watch too. I had I
had to see what happened next.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And there are eight episodes in all. I am through
three of them. This debuted on Tuesday. Well you know,
Manci's not gonna watch it Tuesday, that's volleyball. And then
last night was Wednesday when she's at Fox Sports Radio
and now she's here today. But she was able to
carve out time, just like I was able to. Jason
Stewart was so hooked I thought he watched the whole thing.
(03:20):
He How many episodes are you through, Jason? Right now
the Cowboys documentary?
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I am through three. So they just defeated the forty
nine ers.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Spoiler don't give it away. Yeah, don't give it away,
which the way you laugh. But as Moncey says, she
doesn't remember, she doesn't remember this. She wasn't old enough
to remember this era. So when you're young enough humble
bragged by Monci by the way, that is kind of
a spoiler alert, like you're gonna find out, Oh, they
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end up winning this game despite the field conditions and
what's happening. You kind of get the sense as you're
watching it in what's going to happen. But a lot
of us know this history. There are some people like Mancy,
like Iowa Sam who were born at a time where
this isn't in their back pocket that they vividly remember
all of this. You can go back and learn it
(04:11):
and understand who beat who, But you really are kind
of starting to live through this Cowboys era, Yes, but
you're living it through and this is the problem. This
is the problem with this. You're living it through the
eyes of Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You have no problem with it, but I think some
people will, and I have a problem with it. I
thought that this was a Cowboys documentary. That's what I
thought this was about. Let's talk about the nineteen ninety
Dallas Cowboys. And so when I turn it on, it
starts with Jerry Jones buying the team. There's no doubt
(04:48):
about that. Completely understand that knew that Jerry Jones was
going to have a significant role in this documentary. What
I didn't realize was the name of the documentary, which
told me everything that I needed to know. There are
documentaries that are you'll watch and you don't necessarily know
the title. You'll just be like, did you see did
you see the you know, the documentary on the Ravens
(05:11):
when they, you know, won the Super Bowl and Tony,
Sarah Gusa, all those guys. Yeah, I don't know what
the name of that was. I just know that it's
the Ravens documentary. This documentary is called The Gambler and
the Dallas Cowboys. So he doesn't even give the team
that he owns first billing as this is about Jerry Jones,
(05:33):
and that's what makes this so intriguing because nothing that
has been said on this network or other networks or
other shows Manzi as of late, has been positive about
Jerry Jones. This is his opportunity to take over the narrative.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not
wrong at all. I hear that, But there was more
to the first ten minutes of this cinematography wise, like
we have so many options to watch sports things, you
know what I mean, Like receiver quarterback the second season,
we've got hard knocks, Like I'm just like over it right,
And I was hooked immediately, even though I agree this
(06:10):
is obviously trying to make Jerry Jones come out in
a specific light that he wants us to think, and
I just thought it's it's the way it's been executed
through two episodes is why it's keeping me entertaining. It
also wouldn't work if the story of America's team during
that time wasn't entertaining within itself, and then having all
of those guys sit there and talk about it, like
(06:34):
I just I get it. I am living only through
a specific lens but it's entertaining and I am more
hooked on this and I have been on Hard Knocks
and other shows lately, and I even though I you're right, Dan,
You're right, I'm being bamboozled, but I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's I think people were bamboozled by the last Dance
and to be able to Michael Jordan has been for
as much as the Jordan brand has out there, Michael
Jordan's kind of in a way a secret figure, if
you know what I mean. He would never like there
was this, There was the life of Michael Jordan that
you didn't know, the gambling, everything that came with it,
(07:14):
the sudden retirement. For as much as you think you
know about Michael Jordan, I don't think that we do.
And I think that he's wanted to carry himself in
that way while making billions of dollars off of his
brand and being the greatest basketball player that we've seen.
But the argument for the last Dance that I would say,
which I think is very fitting in tying with this
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Cowboys deal, is the last dance. The last Dance was
pushed up because there was nothing going on during COVID. However,
it was still planned in that general vicinity of time
of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and this is
also a time, Manzi where Lebron James had just ended
up going off of a streak of NBA Finals, NBA Finals,
(08:00):
NBA finals, you know, NBA title, NBA Finals, NBA like
just a crazy run where we were starting to have
the argument of is Lebron James the greatest player that
we've ever seen? I felt this was Michael Jordan's way
of trying to change that narrative, and in a way,
I feel that Jerry Jones is doing the same thing
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with the Dallas Cowboys. In essence, it's also kind of
a living funeral. I know that sounds very morbid, but
Jerry Jones wants us to all know and realize and
say the great things about the Dallas Cowboys that happened
thirty thirty five years ago without talking about all of
the stuff that is happening now with the Dallas Cowboys,
which skews very negative because of their lack of ultimate success.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Again, you're not wrong, but I also feel like in
today's day and age, there's people like you, Dan that
will want to point out the other side to the
ones that are enjoying the documentary. And I also don't
think it really Like I'm not a cowboy, so like
if somebody wants to come at me and show me,
oh no, it's been terrible, look at all this, I'd
be like, okay, but I don't care, Like I'm just
(09:08):
enjoying this thoroughly for the form of entertainment, Like I'm
not taking this like my opinion of Jerry Jones's changing.
That's I don't think that's happening. I think I have
a good idea of Jerry Jones and the type of
person he is. This is just putting a spotlight on
those successful years for the Cowboys. That yeah, like maybe
(09:28):
you're right that this is being pushed on on purpose
right now to remind everybody that it wasn't always so.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Bad, Like, hey, we did have some good years. Let's
go back to that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
You're probably not wrong because Jerry Jones is all about himself,
as you already pointed out that the show is the
Gambler and his Cowboys is out how right?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The ties right?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So you pointed it out like it could not be
more clear that you are right and that Jerry Jones
is trying to make us positively talk about him. But
I feel like on the other side, people are still
gonna love to hate on the Cowboys. Like he gets
all the good press maybe from this, he's still getting
all the bad press from it as well, because people
aren't gonna want to point out it wasn't always like this.
(10:09):
You're looking at it through rose colored lenses. Let's talk
about the bad stuff like that conversation is still gonna
happen with the people that you know need to have it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm just like, let me watch this doc It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I have a feeling that you're just kind of telling
me like it's not that deep.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's not that deep but for me, but for me,
you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Like I think for maybe Cowboys Cowboys fans, it might
be that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Deep, but for me, it's absolutely not Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer. You're more in my era
than you would be of Moncey. Where do you come
out on on what Jerry's deal was in doing this documentary.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I'm fascinated by Manci's perspective in this respect because I
think Jerry Jones incorporated Jerry Jones and his team and
people want people to learn the story. For the first
time watching this documentary, it is utterly void of any
of the negative stuff that you and I lived through
(11:15):
during the story. They have Skip Bayliss on camera, and
I thought, oh, Skip's gonna probably give some balance to this.
Skip was the one who wrote the book in the nineties,
but they rarely go to him unless he's saying overly
positive things about Cherry, if you noticed so. In other words,
the access. The first thing that sticks out when you
(11:37):
start watching the documentary is WHOA. Look at the names
that they secured for this documentary. I don't think we've
ever seen this collection of people in the same in
the same production, So you're like, okay, then that means
that there's something going on here, because access typically means
something has to give, and what had to give was
(11:58):
all the negatives and less, Dan and less. After episode three,
they start really getting into the stuff, which I don't
think they will. So it's very fascinating to hear Moncy
talk about this because she's right, it's very well done,
and Jerry's a great storyteller, so he's compelling to watch.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I just like Jeff Perlman, who wrote wrote a book
on the cowboys, I forget what it's called when they
were Boys or something like that. He posted something on
social media last night that I think is consistent with
what Dan is saying, is that this is a story.
It's not the story I wrote the book. I know
all the dirty details that are being left out of
(12:38):
this what's going on here, and I would have loved
more of that balance in the first at least three episodes.
But that's kind of my takeaway so far. I am
in Manci's camp and I'm gonna keep watching.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'll give you an example of where I feel that
I think that not Moncy isn't seeing, but that there's
two sides to every story. I think how put together,
and in Jerry's words, is I was justified in firing
Tom Landry and Tex Shram and all these other people
that were there because we went out and we won
three Super Bowls early on, and that's one side of
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the story. Like there was the clip of the woman
who's answering the phone saying, like I don't know what's happening.
I've lost my job, and as it sure sounds like
the Cowboys, for as much success as they had in
the nineteen seventies, that they were still a mom and
pop shop for the first thirty years of their existence,
and maybe they were, you know, outdated in who they
(13:37):
were and that the Cowboys were this team that even
though in the seventies they allowed the city to bounce
back from the jfk assassination. Because by the way, that
was a piece of this documentary, if you haven't seen it,
that then they were starting to get old and bland,
and I mean Tom. They were saying Tom Landry wasn't
remembering things and not remembering plays. That's a pretty harsh
(14:00):
light to put on someone who's a Hall of Fame
head coach that isn't living anymore. There's no way to
defend himself and is considered a legend. And that's included
in this documentary. So there's a lot to it in
terms of that side of the story. Now, I do
want to say to Jason's point, I am gonna watch
some more. I may not be as excited, but I
want to know when the cocaine and hookers come into
(14:22):
play nice and if they will at all. Right, Now,
that's the spoilers, but but hey, we don't know if
they're going to. So there's a reason on why I
will continue to want to watch the documentary because I
do want to know if it gets into the dirt
and maybe the downfall of the Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So, Monsey, are you familiar with the White House?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No, yes I am.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I am, yes, but again not not you know what
I mean, not the real details, but yes I know
about that, and like I will tell you, Dan, I
that beginning where I learn in detail of like Tom
Landry and basically you hand picking your homie that was
already coaching in Miami.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Like I was like, Oh, what an ass? What an
ass to do this? Like I literally and I still
think that, what an ass?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Even though they had success, absolutely, like I would be like, what,
who's this guy coming into my home and taking my team?
Like I totally felt that for the people, And even
though I knew that story, seeing those those clips of
back then and the fans in bars saying that they
hated him and who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I was like, I feel that I what an ass?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Do you think? Crown? I think this is I was
gonna ask Manto this question, but it's unfair because I
know the obvious answer. I want to ask Jason and
Isaac just because they're of my generation, I know what
Manzi's generation and Sam's generation is gonna answer. Is Jerry
Jones more Cowboys than Tom Landry is?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's a great question, I think, and Manti you would
say absolutely right. I mean just yes, yes, yes, I
actually think he is.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
I and I do too.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yes, And I think that's that's even part of the
goal of this is to show, like, you know, not
only did I do wrong or you know, did I
not do them wrong? But I'm more of the Dallas
Cowboys than anybody has ever been, considering the team came
about in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
I agree, and I do think that that that was
a cringey moment. I thought, when I say that this
documentary is void of negativity, I don't mean it's void
of negativity about anybody. It's a void of negativity. It
has negativity when it when it suits Jerry Jones' story,
it's nice dramatic. I thought they did him pretty dirty there.
(16:45):
That was that was a really crappy thing to do
to Tom Landry. They didn't need that part about he
was asleep during meetings forgetting plays like you could just
say you moved off a legend and it was a
very hard decision without including those details. I thought that
was pretty brutal.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And he got a parade, he got a parade, right?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
What where one hundred thousand people showed up for a
parade when a coach was fired? Let going and I
did not I did not know about that parade. I
was like, what was the parade for? What are they celebrating?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
They didn't even do that. When Luca got traded in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Shit, like what what man? That man was loved? I
can see again what an ass.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yes, but you wouldn't know it because guess what. They
were in the playoffs a couple of years later, and
then they're on their way to the super Bowl and
as we know, sorry spoiler alert, the spoiler alert, they
won three super Bowls in four years. But this is
also interesting for two other things. First of all, this
Cowboys championship window, it was a four year span, like,
(17:46):
that's that's what it was. We're not talking about decades
long of you know, success like the Patriots. But it
also shows you of why the Patriots documentary was put
out way.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Too soon, way too soon.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Everybody lived I hated the Dallas Cowboys. I didn't. I
did not like Jerry Jones and did not like Jimmy Johnson,
did not like the Dallas Cowboys at all. But I
am watching this looking back on it, being like, yeah,
I remember, and while I didn't root for them like
the Patriots, when we all still hated the Patriots, so
who wanted to watch them win again? So the timing
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of that documentary that was put out by Apple TV
that Bill Belichick couldn't stand was definitely to serve the
ego of Robert Kraft, but done way too soon. But
like Craft, I feel like Jerry Jones wants his own
living funeral. He wants everybody, I don't know how great
he was, and while he's still alive to hear all
these things, even if things haven't been great as of late.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's it, Dan, right there.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
He wanted it while he was still alive, so he
can't experience it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You're right, Nop, You.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Are so right about that. You know, the one about
the Patriots made no sense because that didn't benefit anyone.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Except Bob Craft.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But I don't even know if it because again, it
was like, bro, we lived it, We lived it. Tom
Brady looks the same, like, come on, this one feels
like it was a different lifetime ago.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It feels like that, at least, you know, for me.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And like you said, you you remembered you had those
memories because you probably hadn't thought about it, So this
just I know, it's weird because Jerry Jones is still around,
and definitely the Cowboys are struggling, so it's obviously there
are goals here. But I do feel like it's been
long enough where it feels like a different lifetime.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guarantee you. They said, why don't we call it
the Cowboys and the Gambler, And he's like, nah, why
don't we change it around? I think the Gambler and
his Cowboys sounds a lot better, a lot better.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And make sure you start with me right there.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I've been talking about it a lot shower. I want
a zoom in slowly of me sitting at this desk.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That's how we start, and then we.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Go, uh, she's Watty Bolonios. Hit her up at Watzi Bollagios.
You can find me at dan byer on Fox. Jason
Stewart's here find him at Jason Stewart. I was Sam
and Isaac long Cron also along for the ride today.
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Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't want to sound like Get off my Lawn
Guy with Jerry Jones on our next topic. I feel
like I am, but I actually feel a little better
because I feel Dean Sanders is standing next to me
also yelling get off my lawn. It is the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You like the Freddie
Freeman line.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It's because I'll share with you what I shared with
Isaac Yester.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's actually very sweet story.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
There was a one of our Japanese tour guides after
a tour came up to us and said, so, a
Japanese guest has a gift for Freddy, and he gave
it to me and insisted that I give this to Freddy. Obviously,
like any gift, anything being sent to a player, it
goes through like a process. You can't just give them something.
And even if you hand it to us like it's
(21:28):
better if you actually just send.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It to the Dodgers, it will go through the proper
channels that way. But we weren't.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
We don't know what to do with it because they
wouldn't take it from us, even if we took it
to the front office, because it should be sent, you know,
like not delivered. And so we opened it and this
gentleman just wanted to give Freddy Freeman a shower matt
so that he wouldn't slip in the shower. That's what
the gift was.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
How sweet is Yes? Yes, with those things collect mold
and other germs. A germaphobe's worst friend is the bath matt.
I know it would save you from slipping, but sometimes
I think people would rather fall than be around all
of the You ever take the you know with the
suction things? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Really do you have to like clean them every time
you use them?
Speaker 9 (22:15):
You have to bleach scrub on him somehow.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And and Freddie Freeman doesn't live far from a family
friend of ours, so I know where he lives. I
just don't think his shower probably needs the mat.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
No, it's because you must have hurt missed the story
when he slipped. He slipped in the shower. Yeah right, No,
but that happened at Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh is that Dodger Stadium? Okay? I thought it was
at home. Yeah, so way to go, Dodger Stadium. Better
upgrade that, all right. Dion Sanders wants an upgrade in
attention and looks when he's talking about his players and
he's not talking about on the field, as Dion Sanders
had this message to his football team as they are
(22:57):
about to start class and Boulder in just a day
or so. Here's Dion saying this to his Buffaloes.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
We started school win win being tomorrow, no slides. If
I see you with I'm gonna send people to campus tomorrow.
If I see you with slides on campus, it's gonna
be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
If I see you with a hoodie own.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
In class, or some headphones on in class, it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Be a problem.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
If I see you sit in the back of the classroom,
it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Do we understand that?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And if you're online and you have online classes and
you don't have a shirt on, or you got a
wife beat on, or you have some stupid on because
of the distraction, or you walk around during that online session,
it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Wow, Dion Sanders laying the lawn down to his players,
And I love it. And I don't know if it's
because again I'm being get off my lawn guy, or
I feel that there is so much power given to
the youth now in college sports, specifically with NIL and
(24:03):
the transfer portal being open. But for Dion to not
cater to every need and want of an athlete and
to say that you're a part of this team, and
you're a part of this team even when you're outside
the football building on this campus. To be able to
at least present yourself in a respectable way, I think
that that's that's amazing. I went I went to the
(24:24):
University of Wisconsin, and you knew who was a football player.
You knew it. You know it because of well their size,
but also how they dressed, because they had the gear.
They let you know that they were a football player.
And there's there's this. It was just you know when
you're you were a college football player. And I would
(24:45):
have to guess that the same thing would happen at
the University of Colorado. And for Dion to be like, Hey,
if you're going to be that, you're gonna be respectful,
You're going to show our program. I am. I am
all for it.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I could not agree more because, especially in this day
and age right where it feels like players and young
athletes are they have so much power, they still need structure,
They still need someone out there to tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm in charge.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I know you are making money and like you are
a star right now. I get all that, but I'm
still in charge and I'm going to provide structure for
you because you need that, and like everybody does, everyone
needs structure. If not, it gets out of hand. And
so that's what I like about it because we know
Deon Sanders like likes to have fun and we know
his stuff. I mean, like there's nobody on this planet
(25:30):
that can get away with ranking your children besides Deon
Sanders and publicly ranking your children on social media. So
like knowing that, it's just like he's doing this because
he cares, and he's providing the structure that young athletes
absolutely need.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm reminded of someone who want said, like, you don't
you don't rank your children, but everybody's got a favorite.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't even know if that's true. I don't think
it's true kids. Okay, all right, so well maybe that's
suit Diana is. I just like the fact of cause again,
and this is different. Get off my lawn, guy. I
just like the fact again because I just feel that
football players get so much there's advantages as opposed to
(26:21):
the student body. They're not the normal student. And for
Dion to be like, okay, you may not be the
normal student, but you're at least going to be respectful.
You're not gonna wear you know, you're gonna wear a
shirt if you're on a zoom meeting or on a
zoom class, just something like that, just to show respect
to to the school and the players. I get it.
And I'm a guy Manzi that wants shirts untucked at
(26:41):
golf clubs, Like I hate the tucked in shirt rule.
But when you know, I took my son golfing and
we went to a to a club that's in the area.
I said, he gotta he gotta tuck in your shirt,
and he had a fit. Then I kind of understand.
I'm like, all right, this is part of the whole process.
But so I'm even I'm even learning it at my
age of what is and what isn't and what should happen.
(27:02):
But for Deon to lay down the law, I think
it can only be positives.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It is only positives. And again, it's just nice and
refreshing to see that because it's it's out of respect
for everybody else because, like you, you hit it right
on the head. They already have privileges and advantages by
being on a football team, playing for Dion at Colorado, like,
they already get so many other things, so he's trying
to keep their heads from getting bigger because that's also
(27:28):
his job, you know, as the coach and keeping that
structure no slides. I hope he added no crocs okay,
because you know how much I hate crocs.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I hope he added that to the list of things they.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Can What about NFL crocs?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Those are no, no can okay.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
My dad has a pair of Crocs and if I
let him, he would have them in every color. And
I'm the one that's like Dad, no, no, okay no.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So iowa sam uh it joins us. I know he wants,
he wants the way that do not. You're anti croc
as well.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'm very anti crock.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
I just want to say that at least Coach Prime
is acknowledging that there is school to be attended, you know,
at the very least. You know, I don't know these days,
you don't even know some of these college football players
even going to class or what kind of school they're
actually consuming. So at least Coach Prime is like, hey,
school starts tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Better than what they're doing to Georgia. I'll tell you
that you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Went to Iowa. I did say, yep. Were football players
always in class?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Well, you know this was almost fifteen years ago. No,
that's a good that's I had a couple of classes
with a few football players and men's basketball players.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But were they always in class?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
I'll just say that online courses were not as prevalent
as they are now correct, so they probably were. They
probably were there. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Saying that they're skipping classes. Okay, they may have been,
they may not have been. But also if they weren't
in class, they were probably given some sort of advantage
that the other students were not given to to do
their work a certain way. I had a lecture where
they gave away They said, we're gonna have three pop
quizzes in the lecture because you're let alone your other
(29:11):
side class was whatever. But if you miss one of them,
the highest grade you can get is a C. If
you miss two of them, are going to fail the class.
And I know that there were players who did not
attend half of those pop quiz right, And there was
so certain arrangements were made. Either it was under the
table or it was Hey, I'm not going to be
(29:33):
in class. Oh okay, well then you can have this.
And I don't think that those arrangements were made for
other students. I get it. It's a different sort of deal. However,
for Dion to say, you want our football players to
be as much a part of the student body as
we can and to represent our football team, and to
represent the team because there are going to be kids
that are showing up in slides and aren't football players
(29:53):
and wearing headphones and doing their own thing. To have
all of that, I just I think is great.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I was already a l I'm more of a fan.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Jason Stewart loves all It puts the spotlight on what
people were to work or to school.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, I think this we can do another hour on.
I think like work dress code and do you initially
judge people when they show up at work dress a
certain way? Now, this is all a caveat that we
work on radio, and I know the standards for how
we present ourselves at work are a little lower than
corporate America. But like I just literally, yeah, Daniel, I
(30:32):
don't know if he's true.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're all like I'm dressic suiting it up. Yes, looks
like he's.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Going to go take on Sweet James in court later
today he does, this is an exceptional This is a
very well dressed radio show right now. That's not always
the case, but dress code at work, I think it's
like that. This is a very old school thinking too.
You know, look good, work good, look good, perform well.
But I think Dion's main point here that I very
(30:58):
much appreciate is when you are outside of the facility,
you're representing me and you're representing the program, and I
want you to look a certain way. And the fact
that he's gonna enforce that is very encouraging for me
to hear. Maybe all coaches have this conversation and it's
just amplified because Dion's always has a mic around him.
But like, I do appreciate that, and I'm glad that
(31:20):
that still exists. But yeah, we could do a whole
thing on radio dress code.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
He was specific, which was nice about it, because that's
the thing, right, He's like, make sure you look presentable.
His players could have been like, well, nobody's talking about
I'm wearing a shirt.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
He like was specific in things that he didn't want
to see from his players, and that was nice to
hear too. It wasn't just look presentable, don't embarrass me.
You're not gonna do this. You're not gonna do this,
and you're not gonna do this, okay, So there's no questions.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I guarantee there are other coaches who will cater to
their players because they want those players to stick around
and not hop in the transfer portal because they were
told they couldn't wear, you know, slides to class. And
I think that's it's also a representative of how finicky
things can be now in college with the ability to
move about. It's not about name, image and likeness, Manzi.
(32:08):
It's the ability for players to jump into that portal
and leave whenever they want to leave. And I think
that's something here that Dion is saying, all right, hey,
if you don't want to deal it, you probably can leave.
But this is how we want to be represented. And
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
And Dan he has as a coach, he has the gravitas,
he has the name recognition, like I feel like he
can say this, he can be a disciplinaria and about
this because he's Dion, and other coaches, yeah, are more
catering and cowtowing to their players because you know they can't,
they can't quite message the way that Dion. You know,
they just don't have that. They don't have that, Maxie.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know, I just hope he's not a hypocrite and
allows cowboy hats to be worn to class because he
does rock one very well it does. She's Monty Belanio,
So I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. I was
Sam as here as his low and Kron and Jason Stewart,
our executive producer.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
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gottlie Leab Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
She's Bonzi Blanio. So I'm Dan Bayer. We are in
for Doug Gottlieb today on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports Radio podcast listeners are missing out, but
Sam maybe foreshadowing Monzi a possibility in a draft that
is a segment that is coming up here on Fox
(33:25):
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I know we gotta out out dib him because I know,
I know we're I know we're drafting, but we gotta hopefully,
you know, he's not gonna go them. Dibbons are mine right, Like,
hopefully he doesn't get to go.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
First, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
All right, well, we'll find out the draft order. By
the way, I already know what the game is, So
let's play the game with Isac Low and cron.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
This is game tied on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I let the cat out of the bag a little
bit there, Isaac, for what do we got today?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
That count wasn't let out of the bag. It was
yanked out.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
We're gonna be drafting the best sports documentaries of all
time based on our lead topic today, the Jerry Jones
Netflix documentary. We're gonna go back and forth. Each person's
gonna get two picks, starting with Dan byer Manse you
get the second pick, then Jason Iowa Sam, and then boy,
(34:28):
what don't have to do to get a decent draft pick?
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Around here? I get the last pick. In the background, Dan,
you got the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I've said this before. I think I've said it this week.
I've said it many times. My favorites and it's a
thirty for thirty Pony Excess. Yes, not good Pony express
But I loved the documentary done on the SMU football
scandal and ultimately the death penalty of the school received
for what went on in the nineteen eighties. It is
my absolute.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Favorites that I have not watched that one, but now
maybe I should tune into it. You have enough thirty
for thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I have to take the last dance.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Sorry, Iowa, Sam.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I've got to take it.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
What makes you think I was gonna pick the last dance.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I did come back with the last yay right, but
I definitely have to take the last I've watched it
multiple like. I like it so much.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I just put it on I Fall Asleep.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I know it's gonnappen, but I just put it on
his fall Asleep. That's how much I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I wish I slept through some of those Bulls titles.
Oh never was a Bulls fan. Never I watched the
last dance? Though? What else was there to watch? Right?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
What else is there to watch?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Oh my gosh, Jason, Sorry, you got the third pack man.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
So many to choose from here. I'm such a fan,
I'm a docu file. It's gonna be hard to pick
this one, but I think I'm gonna put this one
up top because I don't know if you guys will
get to the second one of the second round. I'm
gonna go Tiger the mini series that was done. I
think it was like during COVID or right after COVID,
so many revealing things about Tiger Woods that he has
(35:59):
not since addressed. I propose that they do a follow
up documentary with him answering all of the details. That
would be a very compelling dot.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I would say that armand Katayan probably if we did
a draft of best moments in a documentary. Armand Kataan's line,
which I can't say on this show, is amazing, and
I love it when it's repurposed in social media. Do
you know what I'm talking about? I do?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I do?
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Okay, Yes, all right, all right, Sam, you got the
fourth pick.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I am going to I'm going to draft something I
saw a long time ago, but we had it at
home on VHS. I think we did it or maybe
DBD ken Burns Baseball anything ken Burns does. Boy, Sam,
he's a master documentarian. Ken Burns Baseball, long line of
documentaries he's made that are fantastic.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
I'm gonna go with one kind of off the beaten path.
It's called The Sixteenth Man, and it was about how
nineteen ninety five Rugby World Cup united and brought together
post apartheid South Africa. This was the same story as
the movie in Victis will be made later on with
(37:13):
Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela and Matt Damon. But the
documentary is way better than even the movie. I cried,
I cried, and I it was so good. I almost
don't want to go back and watch it again because
it'll affect the memory.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
It's called the Sixteenth Man, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think we had some good nominations there. Absolutely we
aren't able to get to the second round, but maybe
some other time. That's game time.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Game. This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's so many good ones left on the table. The
OJ doc Ellie Oh yes, yeah, that was on my list,
so so many what was on your list in twenty
sixteen playlist and other list. She's wants I'm dan in
for Doug. That's next on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Car Moncey, I don't want to give a correction right
out of the gates, but I feel it's one network,
one dude, one gal, ninety seven different time slots. Is
that appropriate for you and me as we sit it
for Doug.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Todaysh You're right, we need to switch that up a
little bit. That's so perfect.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're here, there and everywhere on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in,
just like the Dallas Cowboys are here, there and everywhere
talking about the Cowboys even when there isn't a game
to talk about. Hit Mancy up at Manzy Bolanos. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Isaac Low
and Cron will be keeping us up today of what's
happening on this Thursday, breaking news and whatnot. There doesn't
(01:02):
seem to be a lot of news about Micah Parsons
and the Dallas Cowboys, except that Brian Schottenheimer SETI expects
Parsons to be ready two weeks from today. Yes, two
weeks from today is the season opener for the Dallas Cowboys,
even though no progress has been made on a new
contract about the Dallas Cowboys. But that's not the Cowboys
that we are talking about. We are talking about the
(01:23):
movie Star Dallas Cowboys, the documentary Star Dallas Cowboys, as
they've been shining on Netflix since their debut earlier this week.
As The Cowboys Documentary has many interested, including us here
at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, no, Dan, I was not entirely sure what I
was getting myself into. I was like, Okay, another sports
thing that I'm gonna go pretend to watch and see
how much it peaks my interests. I was hooked Dan
two episodes last night. I went to about it two
in the morning because I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I gotta I have to know what happens with America's team.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Now I know what happens with America's team, but I was, uh,
you know, either not born or just coming out into
the world when all of this was happening, and so
I there's certain details I was unfamiliar with, and I was,
I'm telling you, I was hooked. I like, I can't
wait to go watch episode three, four, five, six, eight.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
This is quite the change of opinion from Monzies, considering
what was texted at about nine point thirty last night
from Jason Stewart in our group text. Mancey's response, I
haven't started watching it and don't know if i'll have
time to do it before tomorrow's show. It's place, it's changed.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yes, yes, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I just was like, you know, when you're when you're
off at late from the station. I got home and
I was like, I'm just gonna put it on and
if it keeps me up, it keeps me up. If not,
I'm going to sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And that's that's telling the story of this documentary. No,
I was, I had to watch too. I had I
had to see what happened next.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And there are eight episodes in all. I am through
three of them. This debuted on Tuesday. Well you know,
Manci's not gonna watch it Tuesday, that's volleyball. And then
last night was Wednesday when she's at Fox Sports Radio
and now she's here today. But she was able to
carve out time, just like I was able to. Jason
Stewart was so hooked I thought he watched the whole thing.
(03:20):
He How many episodes are you through, Jason? Right now
the Cowboys documentary?
Speaker 6 (03:24):
I am through three. So they just defeated the forty
nine ers.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Spoiler don't give it away. Yeah, don't give it away,
which the way you laugh. But as Moncey says, she
doesn't remember, she doesn't remember this. She wasn't old enough
to remember this era. So when you're young enough humble
bragged by Monci by the way, that is kind of
a spoiler alert, like you're gonna find out, Oh, they
(03:49):
end up winning this game despite the field conditions and
what's happening. You kind of get the sense as you're
watching it in what's going to happen. But a lot
of us know this history. There are some people like Mancy,
like Iowa Sam who were born at a time where
this isn't in their back pocket that they vividly remember
all of this. You can go back and learn it
(04:11):
and understand who beat who, But you really are kind
of starting to live through this Cowboys era, Yes, but
you're living it through and this is the problem. This
is the problem with this. You're living it through the
eyes of Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You have no problem with it, but I think some
people will, and I have a problem with it. I
thought that this was a Cowboys documentary. That's what I
thought this was about. Let's talk about the nineteen ninety
Dallas Cowboys. And so when I turn it on, it
starts with Jerry Jones buying the team. There's no doubt
(04:48):
about that. Completely understand that knew that Jerry Jones was
going to have a significant role in this documentary. What
I didn't realize was the name of the documentary, which
told me everything that I needed to know. There are
documentaries that are you'll watch and you don't necessarily know
the title. You'll just be like, did you see did
you see the you know, the documentary on the Ravens
(05:11):
when they, you know, won the Super Bowl and Tony,
Sarah Gusa, all those guys. Yeah, I don't know what
the name of that was. I just know that it's
the Ravens documentary. This documentary is called The Gambler and
the Dallas Cowboys. So he doesn't even give the team
that he owns first billing as this is about Jerry Jones,
(05:33):
and that's what makes this so intriguing because nothing that
has been said on this network or other networks or
other shows Manzi as of late, has been positive about
Jerry Jones. This is his opportunity to take over the narrative.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not
wrong at all. I hear that, But there was more
to the first ten minutes of this cinematography wise, like
we have so many options to watch sports things, you
know what I mean, Like receiver quarterback the second season,
we've got hard knocks, Like I'm just like over it right,
And I was hooked immediately, even though I agree this
(06:10):
is obviously trying to make Jerry Jones come out in
a specific light that he wants us to think, and
I just thought it's it's the way it's been executed
through two episodes is why it's keeping me entertaining. It
also wouldn't work if the story of America's team during
that time wasn't entertaining within itself, and then having all
of those guys sit there and talk about it, like
(06:34):
I just I get it. I am living only through
a specific lens but it's entertaining and I am more
hooked on this and I have been on Hard Knocks
and other shows lately, and I even though I you're right, Dan,
You're right, I'm being bamboozled, but I don't care.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
It's I think people were bamboozled by the last Dance
and to be able to Michael Jordan has been for
as much as the Jordan brand has out there, Michael
Jordan's kind of in a way a secret figure, if
you know what I mean. He would never like there
was this, There was the life of Michael Jordan that
you didn't know, the gambling, everything that came with it,
(07:14):
the sudden retirement. For as much as you think you
know about Michael Jordan, I don't think that we do.
And I think that he's wanted to carry himself in
that way while making billions of dollars off of his
brand and being the greatest basketball player that we've seen.
But the argument for the last Dance that I would say,
which I think is very fitting in tying with this
(07:35):
Cowboys deal, is the last dance. The last Dance was
pushed up because there was nothing going on during COVID. However,
it was still planned in that general vicinity of time
of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, and this is
also a time, Manzi where Lebron James had just ended
up going off of a streak of NBA Finals, NBA Finals,
(08:00):
NBA finals, you know, NBA title, NBA Finals, NBA like
just a crazy run where we were starting to have
the argument of is Lebron James the greatest player that
we've ever seen? I felt this was Michael Jordan's way
of trying to change that narrative, and in a way,
I feel that Jerry Jones is doing the same thing
(08:21):
with the Dallas Cowboys. In essence, it's also kind of
a living funeral. I know that sounds very morbid, but
Jerry Jones wants us to all know and realize and
say the great things about the Dallas Cowboys that happened
thirty thirty five years ago without talking about all of
the stuff that is happening now with the Dallas Cowboys,
which skews very negative because of their lack of ultimate success.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Again, you're not wrong, but I also feel like in
today's day and age, there's people like you, Dan that
will want to point out the other side to the
ones that are enjoying the documentary. And I also don't
think it really Like I'm not a cowboy, so like
if somebody wants to come at me and show me,
oh no, it's been terrible, look at all this, I'd
be like, okay, but I don't care, Like I'm just
(09:08):
enjoying this thoroughly for the form of entertainment, Like I'm
not taking this like my opinion of Jerry Jones's changing.
That's I don't think that's happening. I think I have
a good idea of Jerry Jones and the type of
person he is. This is just putting a spotlight on
those successful years for the Cowboys. That yeah, like maybe
(09:28):
you're right that this is being pushed on on purpose
right now to remind everybody that it wasn't always so.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Bad, Like, hey, we did have some good years. Let's
go back to that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
You're probably not wrong because Jerry Jones is all about himself,
as you already pointed out that the show is the
Gambler and his Cowboys is out how right?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The ties right?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So you pointed it out like it could not be
more clear that you are right and that Jerry Jones
is trying to make us positively talk about him. But
I feel like on the other side, people are still
gonna love to hate on the Cowboys. Like he gets
all the good press maybe from this, he's still getting
all the bad press from it as well, because people
aren't gonna want to point out it wasn't always like this.
(10:09):
You're looking at it through rose colored lenses. Let's talk
about the bad stuff like that conversation is still gonna
happen with the people that you know need to have it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm just like, let me watch this doc It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I have a feeling that you're just kind of telling
me like it's not that deep.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It's not that deep but for me, but for me,
you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Like I think for maybe Cowboys Cowboys fans, it might
be that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Deep, but for me, it's absolutely not Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer. You're more in my era
than you would be of Moncey. Where do you come
out on on what Jerry's deal was in doing this documentary.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I'm fascinated by Manci's perspective in this respect because I
think Jerry Jones incorporated Jerry Jones and his team and
people want people to learn the story. For the first
time watching this documentary, it is utterly void of any
of the negative stuff that you and I lived through
(11:15):
during the story. They have Skip Bayliss on camera, and
I thought, oh, Skip's gonna probably give some balance to this.
Skip was the one who wrote the book in the nineties,
but they rarely go to him unless he's saying overly
positive things about Cherry, if you noticed so. In other words,
the access. The first thing that sticks out when you
(11:37):
start watching the documentary is WHOA. Look at the names
that they secured for this documentary. I don't think we've
ever seen this collection of people in the same in
the same production, So you're like, okay, then that means
that there's something going on here, because access typically means
something has to give, and what had to give was
(11:58):
all the negatives and less, Dan and less. After episode three,
they start really getting into the stuff, which I don't
think they will. So it's very fascinating to hear Moncy
talk about this because she's right, it's very well done,
and Jerry's a great storyteller, so he's compelling to watch.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I just like Jeff Perlman, who wrote wrote a book
on the cowboys, I forget what it's called when they
were Boys or something like that. He posted something on
social media last night that I think is consistent with
what Dan is saying, is that this is a story.
It's not the story I wrote the book. I know
all the dirty details that are being left out of
(12:38):
this what's going on here, and I would have loved
more of that balance in the first at least three episodes.
But that's kind of my takeaway so far. I am
in Manci's camp and I'm gonna keep watching.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'll give you an example of where I feel that
I think that not Moncy isn't seeing, but that there's
two sides to every story. I think how put together,
and in Jerry's words, is I was justified in firing
Tom Landry and Tex Shram and all these other people
that were there because we went out and we won
three Super Bowls early on, and that's one side of
(13:17):
the story. Like there was the clip of the woman
who's answering the phone saying, like I don't know what's happening.
I've lost my job, and as it sure sounds like
the Cowboys, for as much success as they had in
the nineteen seventies, that they were still a mom and
pop shop for the first thirty years of their existence,
and maybe they were, you know, outdated in who they
(13:37):
were and that the Cowboys were this team that even
though in the seventies they allowed the city to bounce
back from the jfk assassination. Because by the way, that
was a piece of this documentary, if you haven't seen it,
that then they were starting to get old and bland,
and I mean Tom. They were saying Tom Landry wasn't
remembering things and not remembering plays. That's a pretty harsh
(14:00):
light to put on someone who's a Hall of Fame
head coach that isn't living anymore. There's no way to
defend himself and is considered a legend. And that's included
in this documentary. So there's a lot to it in
terms of that side of the story. Now, I do
want to say to Jason's point, I am gonna watch
some more. I may not be as excited, but I
want to know when the cocaine and hookers come into
(14:22):
play nice and if they will at all. Right, Now,
that's the spoilers, but but hey, we don't know if
they're going to. So there's a reason on why I
will continue to want to watch the documentary because I
do want to know if it gets into the dirt
and maybe the downfall of the Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So, Monsey, are you familiar with the White House?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
No, yes I am.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I am, yes, but again not not you know what
I mean, not the real details, but yes I know
about that, and like I will tell you, Dan, I
that beginning where I learn in detail of like Tom
Landry and basically you hand picking your homie that was
already coaching in Miami.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Like I was like, Oh, what an ass? What an
ass to do this? Like I literally and I still
think that, what an ass?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Even though they had success, absolutely, like I would be like, what,
who's this guy coming into my home and taking my team?
Like I totally felt that for the people, And even
though I knew that story, seeing those those clips of
back then and the fans in bars saying that they
hated him and who is this guy?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I was like, I feel that I what an ass?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Do you think? Crown? I think this is I was
gonna ask Manto this question, but it's unfair because I
know the obvious answer. I want to ask Jason and
Isaac just because they're of my generation, I know what
Manzi's generation and Sam's generation is gonna answer. Is Jerry
Jones more Cowboys than Tom Landry is?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's a great question, I think, and Manti you would
say absolutely right. I mean just yes, yes, yes, I
actually think he is.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
I and I do too.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yes, And I think that's that's even part of the
goal of this is to show, like, you know, not
only did I do wrong or you know, did I
not do them wrong? But I'm more of the Dallas
Cowboys than anybody has ever been, considering the team came
about in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
I agree, and I do think that that that was
a cringey moment. I thought, when I say that this
documentary is void of negativity, I don't mean it's void
of negativity about anybody. It's a void of negativity. It
has negativity when it when it suits Jerry Jones' story,
it's nice dramatic. I thought they did him pretty dirty there.
(16:45):
That was that was a really crappy thing to do
to Tom Landry. They didn't need that part about he
was asleep during meetings forgetting plays like you could just
say you moved off a legend and it was a
very hard decision without including those details. I thought that
was pretty brutal.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And he got a parade, he got a parade, right?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
What where one hundred thousand people showed up for a
parade when a coach was fired? Let going and I
did not I did not know about that parade. I
was like, what was the parade for? What are they celebrating?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
They didn't even do that. When Luca got traded in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Shit, like what what man? That man was loved? I
can see again what an ass.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yes, but you wouldn't know it because guess what. They
were in the playoffs a couple of years later, and
then they're on their way to the super Bowl and
as we know, sorry spoiler alert, the spoiler alert, they
won three super Bowls in four years. But this is
also interesting for two other things. First of all, this
Cowboys championship window, it was a four year span, like,
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that's that's what it was. We're not talking about decades
long of you know, success like the Patriots. But it
also shows you of why the Patriots documentary was put
out way.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Too soon, way too soon.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Everybody lived I hated the Dallas Cowboys. I didn't. I
did not like Jerry Jones and did not like Jimmy Johnson,
did not like the Dallas Cowboys at all. But I
am watching this looking back on it, being like, yeah,
I remember, and while I didn't root for them like
the Patriots, when we all still hated the Patriots, so
who wanted to watch them win again? So the timing
(18:19):
of that documentary that was put out by Apple TV
that Bill Belichick couldn't stand was definitely to serve the
ego of Robert Kraft, but done way too soon. But
like Craft, I feel like Jerry Jones wants his own
living funeral. He wants everybody, I don't know how great
he was, and while he's still alive to hear all
these things, even if things haven't been great as of late.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's it, Dan, right there.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
He wanted it while he was still alive, so he
can't experience it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You're right, Nop, You.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Are so right about that. You know, the one about
the Patriots made no sense because that didn't benefit anyone.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Except Bob Craft.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But I don't even know if it because again, it
was like, bro, we lived it, We lived it. Tom
Brady looks the same, like, come on, this one feels
like it was a different lifetime ago.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It feels like that, at least, you know, for me.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And like you said, you you remembered you had those
memories because you probably hadn't thought about it, So this
just I know, it's weird because Jerry Jones is still around,
and definitely the Cowboys are struggling, so it's obviously there
are goals here. But I do feel like it's been
long enough where it feels like a different lifetime.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I guarantee you. They said, why don't we call it
the Cowboys and the Gambler, And he's like, nah, why
don't we change it around? I think the Gambler and
his Cowboys sounds a lot better, a lot better.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And make sure you start with me right there.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I've been talking about it a lot shower. I want
a zoom in slowly of me sitting at this desk.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That's how we start, and then we.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
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Stewart's here find him at Jason Stewart. I was Sam
and Isaac long Cron also along for the ride today.
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Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't want to sound like Get off my Lawn
Guy with Jerry Jones on our next topic. I feel
like I am, but I actually feel a little better
because I feel Dean Sanders is standing next to me
also yelling get off my lawn. It is the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You like the Freddie
Freeman line.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It's because I'll share with you what I shared with
Isaac Yester.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's actually very sweet story.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
There was a one of our Japanese tour guides after
a tour came up to us and said, so, a
Japanese guest has a gift for Freddy, and he gave
it to me and insisted that I give this to Freddy. Obviously,
like any gift, anything being sent to a player, it
goes through like a process. You can't just give them something.
And even if you hand it to us like it's
(21:28):
better if you actually just send.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It to the Dodgers, it will go through the proper
channels that way. But we weren't.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
We don't know what to do with it because they
wouldn't take it from us, even if we took it
to the front office, because it should be sent, you know,
like not delivered. And so we opened it and this
gentleman just wanted to give Freddy Freeman a shower matt
so that he wouldn't slip in the shower. That's what
the gift was.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
How sweet is Yes? Yes, with those things collect mold
and other germs. A germaphobe's worst friend is the bath matt.
I know it would save you from slipping, but sometimes
I think people would rather fall than be around all
of the You ever take the you know with the
suction things? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Really do you have to like clean them every time
you use them?
Speaker 9 (22:15):
You have to bleach scrub on him somehow.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And and Freddie Freeman doesn't live far from a family
friend of ours, so I know where he lives. I
just don't think his shower probably needs the mat.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
No, it's because you must have hurt missed the story
when he slipped. He slipped in the shower. Yeah right, No,
but that happened at Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh is that Dodger Stadium? Okay? I thought it was
at home. Yeah, so way to go, Dodger Stadium. Better
upgrade that, all right. Dion Sanders wants an upgrade in
attention and looks when he's talking about his players and
he's not talking about on the field, as Dion Sanders
had this message to his football team as they are
(22:57):
about to start class and Boulder in just a day
or so. Here's Dion saying this to his Buffaloes.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
We started school win win being tomorrow, no slides. If
I see you with I'm gonna send people to campus tomorrow.
If I see you with slides on campus, it's gonna
be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
If I see you with a hoodie own.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
In class, or some headphones on in class, it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Be a problem.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
If I see you sit in the back of the classroom,
it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Do we understand that?
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And if you're online and you have online classes and
you don't have a shirt on, or you got a
wife beat on, or you have some stupid on because
of the distraction, or you walk around during that online session,
it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Wow, Dion Sanders laying the lawn down to his players,
And I love it. And I don't know if it's
because again I'm being get off my lawn guy, or
I feel that there is so much power given to
the youth now in college sports, specifically with NIL and
(24:03):
the transfer portal being open. But for Dion to not
cater to every need and want of an athlete and
to say that you're a part of this team, and
you're a part of this team even when you're outside
the football building on this campus. To be able to
at least present yourself in a respectable way, I think
that that's that's amazing. I went I went to the
(24:24):
University of Wisconsin, and you knew who was a football player.
You knew it. You know it because of well their size,
but also how they dressed, because they had the gear.
They let you know that they were a football player.
And there's there's this. It was just you know when
you're you were a college football player. And I would
(24:45):
have to guess that the same thing would happen at
the University of Colorado. And for Dion to be like, Hey,
if you're going to be that, you're gonna be respectful,
You're going to show our program. I am. I am
all for it.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I could not agree more because, especially in this day
and age right where it feels like players and young
athletes are they have so much power, they still need structure,
They still need someone out there to tell them.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm in charge.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I know you are making money and like you are
a star right now. I get all that, but I'm
still in charge and I'm going to provide structure for
you because you need that, and like everybody does, everyone
needs structure. If not, it gets out of hand. And
so that's what I like about it because we know
Deon Sanders like likes to have fun and we know
his stuff. I mean, like there's nobody on this planet
(25:30):
that can get away with ranking your children besides Deon
Sanders and publicly ranking your children on social media. So
like knowing that, it's just like he's doing this because
he cares, and he's providing the structure that young athletes
absolutely need.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm reminded of someone who want said, like, you don't
you don't rank your children, but everybody's got a favorite.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I don't even know if that's true. I don't think
it's true kids. Okay, all right, so well maybe that's
suit Diana is. I just like the fact of cause again,
and this is different. Get off my lawn, guy. I
just like the fact again because I just feel that
football players get so much there's advantages as opposed to
(26:21):
the student body. They're not the normal student. And for
Dion to be like, okay, you may not be the
normal student, but you're at least going to be respectful.
You're not gonna wear you know, you're gonna wear a
shirt if you're on a zoom meeting or on a
zoom class, just something like that, just to show respect
to to the school and the players. I get it.
And I'm a guy Manzi that wants shirts untucked at
(26:41):
golf clubs, Like I hate the tucked in shirt rule.
But when you know, I took my son golfing and
we went to a to a club that's in the area.
I said, he gotta he gotta tuck in your shirt,
and he had a fit. Then I kind of understand.
I'm like, all right, this is part of the whole process.
But so I'm even I'm even learning it at my
age of what is and what isn't and what should happen.
(27:02):
But for Deon to lay down the law, I think
it can only be positives.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It is only positives. And again, it's just nice and
refreshing to see that because it's it's out of respect
for everybody else because, like you, you hit it right
on the head. They already have privileges and advantages by
being on a football team, playing for Dion at Colorado, like,
they already get so many other things, so he's trying
to keep their heads from getting bigger because that's also
(27:28):
his job, you know, as the coach and keeping that
structure no slides. I hope he added no crocs okay,
because you know how much I hate crocs.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I hope he added that to the list of things they.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Can What about NFL crocs?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Those are no, no can okay.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
My dad has a pair of Crocs and if I
let him, he would have them in every color. And
I'm the one that's like Dad, no, no, okay no.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So iowa sam uh it joins us. I know he wants,
he wants the way that do not. You're anti croc
as well.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'm very anti crock.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
I just want to say that at least Coach Prime
is acknowledging that there is school to be attended, you know,
at the very least. You know, I don't know these days,
you don't even know some of these college football players
even going to class or what kind of school they're
actually consuming. So at least Coach Prime is like, hey,
school starts tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Better than what they're doing to Georgia. I'll tell you
that you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Went to Iowa. I did say, yep. Were football players
always in class?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Well, you know this was almost fifteen years ago. No,
that's a good that's I had a couple of classes
with a few football players and men's basketball players.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But were they always in class?
Speaker 8 (28:41):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
I'll just say that online courses were not as prevalent
as they are now correct, so they probably were. They
probably were there. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Saying that they're skipping classes. Okay, they may have been,
they may not have been. But also if they weren't
in class, they were probably given some sort of advantage
that the other students were not given to to do
their work a certain way. I had a lecture where
they gave away They said, we're gonna have three pop
quizzes in the lecture because you're let alone your other
(29:11):
side class was whatever. But if you miss one of them,
the highest grade you can get is a C. If
you miss two of them, are going to fail the class.
And I know that there were players who did not
attend half of those pop quiz right, And there was
so certain arrangements were made. Either it was under the
table or it was Hey, I'm not going to be
(29:33):
in class. Oh okay, well then you can have this.
And I don't think that those arrangements were made for
other students. I get it. It's a different sort of deal. However,
for Dion to say, you want our football players to
be as much a part of the student body as
we can and to represent our football team, and to
represent the team because there are going to be kids
that are showing up in slides and aren't football players
(29:53):
and wearing headphones and doing their own thing. To have
all of that, I just I think is great.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I was already a l I'm more of a fan.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Jason Stewart loves all It puts the spotlight on what
people were to work or to school.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Yeah, I think this we can do another hour on.
I think like work dress code and do you initially
judge people when they show up at work dress a
certain way? Now, this is all a caveat that we
work on radio, and I know the standards for how
we present ourselves at work are a little lower than
corporate America. But like I just literally, yeah, Daniel, I
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don't know if he's true.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We're all like I'm dressic suiting it up. Yes, looks
like he's.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Going to go take on Sweet James in court later
today he does, this is an exceptional This is a
very well dressed radio show right now. That's not always
the case, but dress code at work, I think it's
like that. This is a very old school thinking too.
You know, look good, work good, look good, perform well.
But I think Dion's main point here that I very
(30:58):
much appreciate is when you are outside of the facility,
you're representing me and you're representing the program, and I
want you to look a certain way. And the fact
that he's gonna enforce that is very encouraging for me
to hear. Maybe all coaches have this conversation and it's
just amplified because Dion's always has a mic around him.
But like, I do appreciate that, and I'm glad that
(31:20):
that still exists. But yeah, we could do a whole
thing on radio dress code.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
He was specific, which was nice about it, because that's
the thing, right, He's like, make sure you look presentable.
His players could have been like, well, nobody's talking about
I'm wearing a shirt.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
He like was specific in things that he didn't want
to see from his players, and that was nice to
hear too. It wasn't just look presentable, don't embarrass me.
You're not gonna do this. You're not gonna do this,
and you're not gonna do this, okay, So there's no questions.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I guarantee there are other coaches who will cater to
their players because they want those players to stick around
and not hop in the transfer portal because they were
told they couldn't wear, you know, slides to class. And
I think that's it's also a representative of how finicky
things can be now in college with the ability to
move about. It's not about name, image and likeness, Manzi.
(32:08):
It's the ability for players to jump into that portal
and leave whenever they want to leave. And I think
that's something here that Dion is saying, all right, hey,
if you don't want to deal it, you probably can leave.
But this is how we want to be represented. And
I think it's awesome.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
And Dan he has as a coach, he has the gravitas,
he has the name recognition, like I feel like he
can say this, he can be a disciplinaria and about
this because he's Dion, and other coaches, yeah, are more
catering and cowtowing to their players because you know they can't,
they can't quite message the way that Dion. You know,
they just don't have that. They don't have that, Maxie.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know, I just hope he's not a hypocrite and
allows cowboy hats to be worn to class because he
does rock one very well it does. She's Monty Belanio,
So I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. I was
Sam as here as his low and Kron and Jason Stewart,
our executive producer.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (33:05):
She's Bonzi Blanio. So I'm Dan Bayer. We are in
for Doug Gottlieb today on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports Radio podcast listeners are missing out, but
Sam maybe foreshadowing Monzi a possibility in a draft that
is a segment that is coming up here on Fox
(33:25):
Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I know we gotta out out dib him because I know,
I know we're I know we're drafting, but we gotta hopefully,
you know, he's not gonna go them. Dibbons are mine right, Like,
hopefully he doesn't get to go.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
First, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
All right, well, we'll find out the draft order. By
the way, I already know what the game is, So
let's play the game with Isac Low and cron.
Speaker 8 (33:48):
This is game tied on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I let the cat out of the bag a little
bit there, Isaac, for what do we got today?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
That count wasn't let out of the bag. It was
yanked out.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
We're gonna be drafting the best sports documentaries of all
time based on our lead topic today, the Jerry Jones
Netflix documentary. We're gonna go back and forth. Each person's
gonna get two picks, starting with Dan byer Manse you
get the second pick, then Jason Iowa Sam, and then boy,
(34:28):
what don't have to do to get a decent draft pick?
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Around here? I get the last pick. In the background, Dan,
you got the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I've said this before. I think I've said it this week.
I've said it many times. My favorites and it's a
thirty for thirty Pony Excess. Yes, not good Pony express
But I loved the documentary done on the SMU football
scandal and ultimately the death penalty of the school received
for what went on in the nineteen eighties. It is
my absolute.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Favorites that I have not watched that one, but now
maybe I should tune into it. You have enough thirty
for thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I have to take the last dance.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Sorry, Iowa, Sam.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I've got to take it.
Speaker 9 (35:07):
What makes you think I was gonna pick the last dance.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I did come back with the last yay right, but
I definitely have to take the last I've watched it
multiple like. I like it so much.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I just put it on I Fall Asleep.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I know it's gonnappen, but I just put it on
his fall Asleep. That's how much I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I wish I slept through some of those Bulls titles.
Oh never was a Bulls fan. Never I watched the
last dance? Though? What else was there to watch? Right?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
What else is there to watch?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Oh my gosh, Jason, Sorry, you got the third pack man.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
So many to choose from here. I'm such a fan,
I'm a docu file. It's gonna be hard to pick
this one, but I think I'm gonna put this one
up top because I don't know if you guys will
get to the second one of the second round. I'm
gonna go Tiger the mini series that was done. I
think it was like during COVID or right after COVID,
so many revealing things about Tiger Woods that he has
(35:59):
not since addressed. I propose that they do a follow
up documentary with him answering all of the details. That
would be a very compelling dot.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I would say that armand Katayan probably if we did
a draft of best moments in a documentary. Armand Kataan's line,
which I can't say on this show, is amazing, and
I love it when it's repurposed in social media. Do
you know what I'm talking about? I do?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
I do?
Speaker 7 (36:28):
Okay, Yes, all right, all right, Sam, you got the
fourth pick.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I am going to I'm going to draft something I
saw a long time ago, but we had it at
home on VHS. I think we did it or maybe
DBD ken Burns Baseball anything ken Burns does. Boy, Sam,
he's a master documentarian. Ken Burns Baseball, long line of
documentaries he's made that are fantastic.
Speaker 10 (36:53):
I'm gonna go with one kind of off the beaten path.
It's called The Sixteenth Man, and it was about how
nineteen ninety five Rugby World Cup united and brought together
post apartheid South Africa. This was the same story as
the movie in Victis will be made later on with
(37:13):
Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela and Matt Damon. But the
documentary is way better than even the movie. I cried,
I cried, and I it was so good. I almost
don't want to go back and watch it again because
it'll affect the memory.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
It's called the Sixteenth Man, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think we had some good nominations there. Absolutely we
aren't able to get to the second round, but maybe
some other time. That's game time.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
Game. This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
There's so many good ones left on the table. The
OJ doc Ellie Oh yes, yeah, that was on my list,
so so many what was on your list in twenty
sixteen playlist and other list. She's wants I'm dan in
for Doug. That's next on Fox
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