March 6, 2018 • 40 mins
Doug loves the idea of the letting players return to college if they go undrafted but doesn't think it is that simple. He also thinks it's time for Bill Belichick to put a "no” man on his coaching staff with the Patriots. Plus former offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz joins the show to tell Doug whether the Steelers did the right thing by franchise tagging Le'Veon Bell for a second straight season.
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There is no fog, there is no smog, and Mama did,
in fact cook the breakfast with no hog. It is
a good day. It is a good day in l
a uh Now, I'm not gonna crush Isaiah Thomas like
like my friend Colin Cowherd did. We will get to
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some NFL talk, including what really could be going on
with the exodus of dissenting voices in New England that
to come. Jeff Schwartz is gonna join us in fifteen minutes,
will get his take on what we saw from the
combine and how we can correlate it yet to correlate
it and correlate it to the upcoming NFL draft. Plus
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reported offers from the Minnesota Vikings to Kirk Cousins. We
heard yesterday it was the Vikings and the Jets. What
are the Vikings doing? An interesting way of going all
in for franchise quarterback. But I want to start with
this since it is in fact March and March band.
This is upon us and everyone is trying to fix
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the broken college basketball system. I love when things are broken,
like that really all that broken? Oh it's broken? Okay,
okay that This to me is here's here's a parallel.
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After the Olympics, after the election, there were people and
there will always be people. The electoral college has to go,
has to go. And of course the only people who
ever think the electoral college has to go are the
people who lose the general election because the electoral college,
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the electoral college is the Thursday night football is bad
of politics, right, No one ever complains about Thursday night football.
Who wins Thursday night football? There's nobody wins thursdaynight football
game and then has like a week and a half
off before the next game, says like, man, that Thursday
night game that was awful, that was terrible. We really
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need to rethink that. You just don't the same thing
happens in elections. But the truth is that if we
were to do away with the electoral college that many
of the states that have it would it would simply
change the way in which you tried to get elected.
It wouldn't necessarily change the outcome. Like there is a
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reason that we have. We not a true pure democracy.
We are a what is it called a representative democracy,
and the electoral college is a snapshot of what Congress
is right, the House of Representatives is. It is skewed.
It does favor the more populated states. But you can't
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it can't be so overpowering lye uh, the government can't
be so overparently formed by the populated states. More populated
states that are be a come unfair. I bring that
up because I think there's a lot of people who
have the right intentions. It's interesting, right intentions. Have you
guys been watching The Final Bachelor? Anybody not me, but
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I do know. Apparently are picks a chick and then
in the process between when he picked the woman and
the Final Bachelor episode, which is like months, he decides
that the one that he that he didn't pick was
the one, so he dumps that chick and ends up
with the other chick. This, of course was leaked. I
love the fact that like, like, oh leaked, how would
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it get leaked? It wouldn't bring more eyes to the
Bachelor finale, would it. I love saying in it for
the right reasons because I like, I think Steve Kerr's
example of being in the sport for the right reasons.
And you might say, well, he's a coach of the Warriors.
He makes five seven million dollars a year, that's not
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the right reasons. Remember, Steve Kerr first was kind of
a mercurial bench player. I don't know how much you
guys know his story, Like he didn't have scholarship offers.
Lud Olson first got the job at Arizona needed a guard,
came to southern California and was kind of set up deal.
He played it at Rachel palas Verdis palas Verdi's high school,
I believe. But he wasn't heavily recruited at all, and
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so when Luke came to see him and Lute needed players,
his coach at the time set it up so that hey,
don't animy block Steve Kerr shot, let's make him look good.
And then he saw him in a summer league, liked him,
took him and kind of the as his history, but
that's not really the story. Then he went to the
NBA and he was just a journeyman until he got
a couple opportunities to start. And he didn't become a
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known commodity until he was with the Chicago Bulls. And
he was the perfect point guard, if you will, for
the triangle offense, to play oppos of Michael Jordan, to
play opposite Scottie Pippott. So so with all of that
mind like, here's a guy who after he got done playing,
he did well in the financial sector. He was an
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incredibly talented broadcaster for TURNI, she called the Final Four
for CBS. He was a general manager in the NBA,
and now he's a coach in the NBA. And oh yeah,
by the way, both of his kids, daughter volleyball at
cal Son, basketball at USD have been student athletes. So
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with the exception of the fact that somebody would say, well,
he came from money, like okay, got a pretty good
perspective on this. Keep in mind that if you go
back a couple of years ago when he was still
a broadcaster, he said from his time as a general manager,
he thought that players should stay in college at least two,
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if not three years. He did not believe in the
nun and debt. Having been in the NBA with players
that came straight into high school, it's like they weren't
ready as people. You need time to grow, You need
time to matric not just matriculate, but to mature socially
as well as in basketball. And yeah, academically that is important.
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Then Steve Kerr said this yesterday. One of the things
the n c A needs to look at is, uh,
if the kid signs with an agent and declares for
the draft and he doesn't get drafted, welcome him back.
Why not? What's the what's the harm? You know, we're
gonna talk about all this amateurism and all this stuff,
but we're truly trying to do the right thing for
the kid. The kid declares for the draft and doesn't
doesn't get drafted, and realizes, you know what, I should
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go to college. Welcome him back, do something good for
the kids, and do something good for the kids. I
I agree, But here's even something that I think all
of us would like to agree on. All of us
would like to say, you know what, Steve, You're right,
which would you have to be able to do if
you're gonna have a reasonable argument and not in this
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crap you see on TV where guys won't even hear
somebody's point. Give example, I was, I was debating last
week Larry Bird versus Lebron James with uh nick right,
and he pointed out, like, you can't compare the points
to the assists the rebounds because Lebron has done it
for longer, to which I said, you're right. I I
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can't argue that point. It's not the point I want
to argue. But if you want to talk about consistency
of career, and I would point out because of health,
not because of skill I have, I can't you win
that part of the argument. Doesn't mean you win the
whole argument, but you're in that part of the argument.
And so what Steve is saying, and I'm not arguing
with Steve Kerr, is hey don't make sense that if
a kid doesn't get dressed, he goes back to school.
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And you say to yourself, yeah, I don't think anybody should, right,
Like the idea is to have have them in school
as long as they want to be in school. And
if they think they can make it go okay. Here
in lies the problem with that the NBA and the
n c A. The n c A actually now allows
players to not just get all the information, but to
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attend the pre draft UH workout pre draft camp in
Chicago to talk to all these NBA teams to get
real feedback. So many of them know about where their
future is going to be. Now the agents, a lot
of them lie to them a late first, early second.
They end up late second or undrafted. The first problem
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with it is the players already know when they're not
going to get drafted. They don't listen. But okay, you
want to say, you know what, sometimes it's the harsh
reality of not getting drafted that should allow player to
go back, humble them, get them back to work, and
you know what, it's a good thing. I still would
agree with that. Even though they have all the information
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and if they listen to the right people, their college coach,
UH and NBA people, a legit advisor, like, all of
these things are valuable. But but one thing you need
need to understand is they are still not going to
listen to you because they still believe if I walk
into a locker room. I'm flying to Vegas tonight to
call games from the Mountain West tomorrow. If I walk
into the Gonzaga B y U locker room, they play
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tonight the w CC Championship game. And I asked the Zachs,
how many guys are playing the NBA, and these are
Gonzaga kids, they all will believe they playing the NBA.
If I walk to the B y U locker room,
I'm not sure if I get all of them, but
many of them would say the same. And there might
be one NBA player in both locker rooms. Might be
and I think Zack is pretty good. But all the
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NBA players they had left cleaning their point guard from
last year who had a great year, not an NBA
player league player had another year left. But anyway, so
the first thing is they already have the information. But
here's the part that this is what makes all of
this a lot more complicated. The unintended consequences of allowing
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players to come back are as follows the guys that declare,
and they don't have to, but they generally do. They're like, well, look,
I gotta get ready for the pre draft workouts. So
in order to do so, I gotta leave school and
work out seven So now are they going to be
eligible when they come back? And they kept up with
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their grades their coursework, and you may think, well we
should give them a pass, like okay, but at what
level do you give them a pass? You know? Secondly,
in order to go train with somebody, oftentimes that costs money,
maybe not money as much as like credit from an
agent gonna pay that back, or agents gonna just gonna
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be S O L and then gonna still be their
agents and have to eat that money. Now, I'm not
even talking about the fact that many of these kids
get fronted money because they get out and they think
they're gonna be NBA draft picks, Like all right, can
you give me seventy five up front so I can
go and get a car. We'll get something else that
I don't actually need at this point in time. They do.
That's how it works. I need a suit for the draft.
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You need to watch, I need my my buddy needs
to travel. I need a place to stay. I need
food to eat, like all these things that colleges have
provided for you. Place to work out, person to work
you out, uh, place to go lift person, you know,
a physical trainer as well place to get physical therapy.
All these things that are actually providing you for college
that everybody says, you know, colleges get over on players.
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These actually things cost money in the real world transportation.
Who's gonna pay that back? And then here's the last thing.
What about the opportunity loss by an incoming player. High
school kids that got and smarter and they're waiting longer
to commit to a college because they want to see
whoever leaves for the NBA Draft. That's where I'm gonna
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go because I want to play right away. So what
do you do if your college coach like, I need
thirteen guys on scholarship, and even if it's my best
player and I just I want to support him, he's
gonna wait. The NBA Draft is an end of June.
Do we realize on the calendar you have to have
your team in place well before the end of June.
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Say your point guard says, you know, I want to
put my name in the draft. I might even find
if I don't get drafted, come back. So now I
have to go get another point guard. If I have
that of the point guard and my player decides to
come back, I'm of course going to welcome him back.
What do I do with the other kid that plays
the same position. My point is that this is one
of the simplest decisions of all of these decisions. Because
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I think everybody agrees and that's a good idea. You
should be able to welcome him back. If he doesn't.
No one will dispute that. No, I don't think anybody's
arguing with Steve Kerr on whether or not that idea
is a good one. And even with the really good
ideas that everybody agrees with, there's a ton of un
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on three seventy three program. Both Jess Wars joining us
on the Doug Guile League Show. You are big in
the don't draft Sae Kwan Barkley number one overall crowd.
Why is that? Well, I think it's just the Brown situation.
The Browns for years have passed on the quarterback, and
we know how valuable a quarterback is the NFL. We
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saw today the Steelers officially placed the tag on Lady
On Bell, who is their workhorse on offense. You can
argue he's the most unamic running back on The Steelers
refused to give him a long term contract because that
position is just not that valuable. Quarterback has the most
valuable position in the NFL. The Browns for years have
settled for the second or third option where there was
in twenty sixteen, they drafted Questos going for Wentz or
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where it was last year, instead of drafting Watson or Mahomes.
They ended up with the shan Kaiser. This is their
opportunity that draft the guys they want. Look, all these
guys at the top have some sort of flaw, but
you have an opportunity to pick the guy that you've
scouted that you like for your you know, and your
your franchise for the future at one. And then if
you to get Barkley, if you want to get an
office to tackle two or three, you can trade back
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up for that ors wait untill four. Um, but the
risk of losing out on the quarterback you want is
not worth the reward of drafting and running back who
you know? They they produced for four or five six
years and they've done a quarterback? Will the last your
fifteen years? Okay? But um, there's a there's a there's
a bunch of thig. I understand the Browns have passed
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on a quarterback. Got that, And I think that the
Browns truth be told. If somebody in the top five
wanted to trade up to get a quarterback, and they
could get say Kwan Barkley, still fine, and remember they
have the fourth pick. So why draft a quarterback one
when the guy you want is available one and might
not be available at four. I mean, like, if you
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can get both, when I get both, and Barkley is
the best player in the draft, get the best player
in the draft. Before the combine, by the way, no
one really was saying that Barkley should be the first pick.
And then he runs really well and jumps really want
everyone said, oh, you know, as a transcendent player. It's funny.
Someone posted yesterday video of Adrian Peterson in college. That's
a once in generational player. I mean that that's not
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even remotely close to what sat Klon Barkley. But hold on,
let me, let me let me jump in here, okay,
because and I love Adrian Peterson and I would agree
with you, but Adrian Peterson is probably better as a
pure running back. But Sa Kwan Barkley does more at
this age in terms of past protection, catching in the
backfield that Peterson never did in college. And the Pierson
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really still Peterson really honestly doesn't doesn't block on third
he never played third down, and it wasn't much a
pass catcher. Um, here's why you have to draft the
quarterback at one. You know there's there's six top quarterbacks,
maybe four, let's say, or five. It depends on how
you rank them. If you're the Browns right, you're gonna
fall in love with one of them. That's just the
way it works. You'll you'll follow up with the one
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and you'll say, well, maybe we'll be okay with the
second one. If you go Barkley at one, the Giants
will probably treat the two siven. The Giants want Barkley
because they think you I has three years left, so
that they with Trato too, so the Colts could tray
out three as well. So now you maybe have lost
your opportunity to draft a quarterback that you like, and
now you settle again for the second option, which typically
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turns out to not be the guy that you wanted.
I don't understand the need for running back for a
team last year that was temph and rushing their fourth
in power rushing there were fourteenth and adjusted rushing. They
rushed the ball five. They have young, they have young
running backs that are fine Barkley. Adding Barkley and not
getting the quarterback you want does not get them over
the hump the quarterback they want and maybe adding Barkley
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or an offensive guard, you know, Quinton Nelson or Fitzpatrick
to safety and putting those players on the Browns and
makes them a better team. Joe Thomas, who's made the
rounds and media obviously has his podcast. He's begging the
Browns to to to sign the quarterback or drafted quarterback
because he knows that they had a quarterback last year
they would have gone six and ten a Nate Possibly.
They have talent on their team. They do not need
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a running back. That's the voice of reason. That's Jeff Schwartz,
who joins us on the Doug Gottlick Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, let's let's get to that lady
on Bell. Steelers deciding to at this this point franchise
Tagon because they can't agree to a deal. Do you
run the risk though Levian told us, Hey, man, if
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you franchise tag me again, I'm not going to camp,
do you run the risk of overpaying him on the
short term and ruining a relationship in the long term
In an effort to grind him down in a couple
of million dollars here there. Well, the reason why they're
having a contract issue is because Laysan don't wants to
be paid as a dual threat player. He wants to
be paid kind of in between running back and and
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wide receiver because he does so much out of the bathfield,
which would be a first that really hasn't been a
hybrid player. It's just like tight ends want to get
franchised at the wide receiver number because all of those
guys are basically wide receivers, and so far that does
not work. And that's where the impass is that it's
not that they don't want to pay him to be
the top paid running back. They don't want to pay
him to be a dual threat guy because his position
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listed on the roster is running back. So not for
that right now. And look last year and hurt the
Steelers earlier the season that Bell was not there, and
his teammates and you were called about week three and
training camp were like, dude, you've got to come back,
Like we need you to come back because it takes
some time again with them and get in shape and
and and all that, and so yeah, he might hold
out again, but it's gonna hurt his team. And I
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just think the Steelers, like most NFL teams, just don't
value running backs as much. And maybe they're wrong about that,
maybe Bell is a different type of player and that
they should value him more. But the way they use
him as well, I mean they put four touches on
him a year. That's a lot of touches. Eventually he's
gonna break down. I think the Stevens field that if
you give him a long term contract, you just won't
get the value out of that because he will he
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will get burned, He'll get he'll get burned out, and
and he won't be able to produce it at the
level of you pay him to produce. I I agree
with you. I agree with you. I mean I do.
I mean I think we actually Me and Ryan Music,
my producer, we discussed this for the show and and
he was comparing it to the Kirk Cousins thing, and
I was like, no, no, Kirk Cousins can play into
his late thirties, so as that whereas Levian Bell three
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years is the absolute max you would say for for
Levian Bell to be an All Pro, Pro Bowl level player.
And then he's twenty nine, that's if he doesn't break
down before then he's he and he's he's missed games
due to suspension and injuries in the past to begin with.
All right, let's let's get to kirk Cousins. There's at
least one report that it's the Vikings. Is multiple reports
that's the Vikings and the Jets, and one report has
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the Vikings offering three years, fully guaranteed, nine one million dollars.
What are your thoughts on that offer coming from the
Vikings and if you like that as their future, I
love it as their future. And what I love about
this deal too is this will be the first time
hopefully it's a fully guaranteed contract. Look, Mike McCartney his agent.
I used to be with Party Sports UM and Mike
was one of my agents that helped me out. He's
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got a sense half a child of leveraging every single
cent out of at a Kirk Cousins and what he
can do right to franchise tacks. If you give him
a three year deal ninety one million, obviously over thirty
million a year, which will be the highest average per year,
he can still get another contract in three years. It's
a fantastic for him, and the Vikings have the cast
base to do it. If you look at Cousins his
best seasons, well when he had Theshan Jackson, Garson healthy,
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Jordan read the offensive line, he's ever really had a
good defense, go to Minnesota third defense, good running game,
see you and Kyle Rudolph Digs. I mean it's a fantastic,
fantastic place were h for him to land. And as
the Vikings being aggressive and knowing that their quarterback away
possibly for making a Super Bowl. Yeah, I I the
one thing I will tell you that you know, like
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Cam Newton's contracts fully guaranteed, the rookie contracts are fully guaranteed. Um,
so yeah, this would be a vet deal. That's that's
super supers the second contractor guaranteed. Yes, Okay, So what
happens What happens to the Broncos if they don't get
Kirk Cousins? Like, do you go a J McCarron, do
you go back to the draft. I mean they've swung
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and missed here and John Elways said, I'll keep swinging
and missing if that's what it takes. What do you
do if you're the Broncos and you don't get kirk Cousins.
I mean, you have to offer more than anyone else
to get him. I mean I think he'll go to
the highest bidder. In general, it's over thirty million a
years is the obviously the would would make him highest
paid quarterback. It's you're the Broncos. You gotta draft a
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quarterback and develop them. I mean, it's about time that
that you do this. You can't keep relying on the
veterans to help you win these games. At some point
you have to draft young quarterback develop him. Uh, you
know they whipped on Lynch. Looks like they whipped on Well,
send me the seventh in our draft pick. I mean,
you don't really whiff on those guys, um, And so
look they have. They also whiffed on on Brockos Wilder,
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who they wanted he when he signed in Houston, Elway
drafted him. And look, they wanted Kaepernick at half of
the month. If Kaepernick wouldn't take a wouldn't take a
wouldn't take a haircut. So so they just have to
they have to draft behind develop them. It's up to
their coaching staff and and it's about time that they
do it because their franchise needs it. And Sook. If
it's Baker Mayfield of five, which I think people have
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had lights over there Josh Rosen, or it's it's Josh Allen,
which I Josh Allen. I mean completely passes is important
and Josh Allen just doesn't do it. So I mean
that's a concern of mine um for him. But I
mean they have to they have to draft someone and
develop him. But if it's a Baker Mayfield or even
at Josh Allen, I mean there's are guys that might
need to wait a year to really be effective. So
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you have to play maybe past and wins or Simeon
for one more year until those guys are ready. Uh,
people can There's there's two things that are hurting Josh Rosen.
One is durability, has had some injuries in the two
is the personality thing, uh, in which super confident, super
he's too he's too smart. But I do think that
people say too smart. It's not really what he's like.
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I think it would be that he he he just
he has a way about him to which not everybody
is fully in on Josh Rosen. Like you've been in
a bunch of locker rooms, how important actually is that
I can't care less if he can swing the ball,
which I think he can, I'm fine with that. Um,
I'm okay with my quarterback being cocky, calm, fit in
a little loof, I mean part of the line manning you.
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Man is a great guy. I think that that you
would look at him in the sideline think he's a
little aloof. He's not. I mean he's he's always in
the in the present. Um. And I think that Rosen
is talented. Now he might not have the most upside
of a lot of the players, but I think that
the concerned with him should be his injury history, concussions, shoulder, back,
and he's had some problems and part of that to
be you know u c l as pull offensive line
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in the last couple of years. But UM, I don't
worry about the mental side of that as much as um.
You know I would worry about it if it was
the other way where he just wasn't very bright, uh,
just you know, being smart, being outspoken. UM. I think
he's very aware of of who he is, which I
think is okay, and it's fine he expresses that all
the time, just like I'm not worried about Baker Mayfield
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being confident and cocky and and that I like my
quarterback to be that way because that's the position. It's
an alpha dog position. You have to you have to
have confidence in yourself, um and and have a little
emotion to play that spot. Jeff, great stuff, Congrats on
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I Heart Radio app. There's always been a group in
that Patriots room who pushed back against Bill. You have
to have guys, you can't have all yes man. That's
a great idea, Bill. Hey, Mr Big Coach b that's
a good one. Ha ha huh. You gonna have some
guys like Tom Dimitrov Scott Pioli, Charlie wish they're all gone. Yes,
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Josh McDaniels is there, but Romeo Cornell is not. Um.
The point is that that Belichick, he's not necessarily surrounded
by yes men, but he's no longer no longer has
no men. Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer, who's super close,
super close with Bill Belichick, said quote, I started asking
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him about it, and he made the point. He said,
I coach guys that I want to be around. That's it.
I'm not gonna I'm not just gonna coach everyone. And
so if you look, Jamie Collins got traded to Cleveland, right,
Jonathan Cooper. Um, So they got Jonathan Cooper a second
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round of third round pick. Felt like they kind of
gave away Jamie Collins, and that Jamie Collins was a
versatile pass rusher and right in the middle of the season,
and like send him to Cleveland. Jimmy Garoppolo second round
pick to the San Francisco forty Niners. You look at
the guy, what did he do it? In the Super Bowl?
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He sat a guy in Malcolm Butler, who everybody thinks
is leaving. But he did it because he want to
do it his way or did he just not want
to coach guys that he didn't want to be around.
It feels like Belichick. I don't know if he I
don't think he's becoming bitter, and I'm not sure he's
becoming softer. I just think he's getting to the point
in his career where he's like, you know, I only
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want to coach the guys I want to coach. And
if I can't win a title because of talent, I'm
okay with that. I've won titles. He's got five Super Bowls,
He's been to eight of them. If it's if you
want to tell me I can't win a super Bowl
with the town I have, it's fine. But I've been
to eight super Bowls, I've won five, so there is
no proving myself. This is just I want to work
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with the people I want to work with. I don't
need a holes, I don't need me first guys. I
want team guys. I'm sure I know that may cause
me to miss out on free agents, that may cause
Rob Gronkowski to not have fun. He might want to go,
but we want a super Bowl this year without Rob Grenkowski.
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Didn't we like not saying Gronks not important. He is.
He's our best weapon for Tom Brady. It's not irreplaceable
because every season the Patriots have to replace important parts
and they seem to be able to do it. Is
there some arrogance with that? Yeah, but it is that
arrogance or confidence based upon fact you better believe. Be
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sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Chris Mannix, Uh,
you've got expertise in covering hoops as a reporter covering
the world of boxing. When asked them about Canelo Alvarez
and if we buy the tainted meat excuse I had
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a steak in Mexico City. Was good steak? Tell you
tequila to yes, might have made me test positive for
p E d S. I'm not sure I buy that one.
We'll see if Mannix does. Oh, he's with us, Manx.
Let's just start there and we'll get to some hoop stuff.
You buy Canelo Alvarez at a bad steak and that's
why he popped positive for a p D YO. Doug,
I'm I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt,
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but I need to see the receipts. I need to
know more than that press release set. I don't care
that he was just embarrassed. I need to know when
he thinks he ate it, how he came across it. Um,
I need details because you know this this drug that
that that he tested positive for, It's become kind of
a what I think is a convenient excuse for some
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Mexican athletes. He had two boxers in the last five
years test positive for. We know the soccer story. Um,
you know Canello has says doesn't have a history of this,
So I'm willing to give him a little bit of
rope here. But I need more than just what was
already released. And I think that Gallofkin should demand more too,
especially in a sports as violent his boxing. Doug Outland Show,
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Fox Sports Trains. Let's let's keep with boxing. There's just
talk now money Mayweather moving to mm A, Like what
what I don't I don't, I don't, I don't understand.
Help me on to stand this. I don't think it's happening.
I'd be Look, I was very surprised that that he
fought Um Connor mcgreggor only because I thought negotiations would
be as painful as they were from Mandy packy out.
That's why I didn't think it was gonna happen. But
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you know, Mayweather, more than anything, wants to be relevant.
He he wants to see his name trending on social media.
He wants to be talked about on radio and TV shows.
That's why he does this stuff. That's why I post
those videos and why stuff leaks out about potential negotiations
with with the Dana White. But more than anything else,
Mayweather loves this aura of invincibility that he has at
fifty and oh when he retired. He has that. Now
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we can argue where he stands in the all time
you know, boxing animals, but he's got a legacy that
that he wants. He goes into the the m m
A world, he's gonna get beat up pretty good. He's
not going to learn mm A overnight. So if for
no other reason than his his are of invincibility would
take a massive hit, I'd be astonished we ever saw
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Mayweather in a cage. I tend to agree with you,
but I also think he likes people to talk about
him and and that's that's probably his favorite part because
otherwise he's you know, boxing is out of sight, out
of mind. Let's talk about things that are more inside
in mind. Um. The Cleveland Cavaliers, now we've seen them
a good bit and look that they don't appear to
have a second go to the way they did with Kyrie.
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There is some better there's better feelings about this team
than there are previously. They dominated the Detroit Pistons last night.
What's your take on on where they stand long term,
at least long term being this season in comparison to
where they were before the trade deadline. You know, I
think they're a better team than what they were before
the trade deadline. I think the guys they acquired are
supporting players who are comfortable in their roles, and the
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guys they shipped out, maybe not particularly Isaiah, but even
Jay Crowder who didn't seem to fit in with what
they were doing Cleveland. The question is do any of
these guys they brought in, do any of them improve
their defense? Now? They held Detroit under ninety points, but
that's not a real accomplishment. Everybody's holding Detroit two limited numbers. Detroit,
it's not a very good team right now. But you
look at what the Nets did them three even in
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a win by the by Cleveland. You look at the
other teams since the All Star Break. Their defense continues
to get gashed night in and night out, And at
some point we have to stop saying reflexively that come
the playoffs, the Cavalier is gonna flip the switch. They
don't have any plus defenders outside of Lebron James at
any position. George Hill is okay at the point guard spot,
but he's not a plus defender, and nobody else on
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that roster is a plus defender. So I think they're
gonna have problems. But with the bigger question is who
out there is gonna be able to take advantage of it?
Do we trust, you know, Toronto and that young bench.
The guys are giving them forty points per game right now,
the Fred Van Fleets and the sas and and and
uh and the rights. Do we trust Boston which is
ebdon flowed really since January one? Cleveland is a flawed
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team right now, Doug. But I don't know that there's
a team out there that's poised to jump on those
flaws and exploit them. That's the voice of Chris Mannix.
Yeah who Sports. He joins us on the Doug Gottlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Are you are you
ready to consider Houston real? And by real, I don't
mean could James Harden when the m v P could?
By real, I don't mean regular season And look, they
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it's not like they've lost in the first round like
so many Dallas Mavericks teams lost in the first round.
But there's always this sense that it's D'Antoni. It's a
bunch of numbers, it's a bunch of threes, it's not
postseason real. Is this a postseason real team in your opinion? Now?
I think it's a postseason real team. Um. A couple
of reasons. One, I always found the criticism of Mike
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D'Antoni um a little bit over the top. I mean,
you remember back when it was at OH seven, when
you know Robert Ory check Steve Nash, and that changed
the dynamic of that series. That doesn't happen. Sons win,
they probably go on to win the championship. At the
perception of Mike D'Antoni is completely different. Number two, their
defense is high level. I mean, we've seen what We're
sixty plus games into this season, their top ten the
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NBA and defensive efficiency. It's beyond just being kind of
a fad with this team. Now. They're they're thin, it's
some of those those bench spots. But as long as
guys like Mabommute and Tucker and others stay healthy, they're
gonna be very good on the defensive end of the floor.
And the one advantage I think they have over Golden
State that that's the most significant, is that they're hungrier.
And that's not to say that the Warriors don't want
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to get back to the finals again. A guy like
Kevin Durant hasn't been around as long as the Greens
and the Curries and the thompson have have. Uh, he's hungry.
But this, this Rockets team is is just full of
guys that haven't accomplished anything, haven't achieved at the highest level.
Harden only been to one finals and that was as
a supporting guy. Chris Paul never out of the second round.
The bench guys never accomplished anything. I think that, you know,
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having that hunger is gonna be a real asset for them,
especially if they wind up in that first overall. Sea
with home court advantage. You know, people laugh at regular
season results, but San Antonio last year had similar regular
season results against Golden State, and if Kawhi Leonard didn't
get hurt, I maintain at the very least that the
six or seven game series against Golden State. I have
the same type of feeling with the Houston Rockets. I
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think they are going to be just as good against
Golden State in the playoffs as they have been the
regular season. Right, I'm I'm still holding. I just am.
I just you know, I'm still holding. Do I think
they're better? Like? Yeah, I just think adding Chris Paul
was saying, not only we don't think Harden can do
it alone, but we need some toughness. Same thing with
Joe Johnson. But I also think both those guys, when
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they go to default and you go to playoffs in
a big spot, you're gonna go back to your default
their ball stoppers. And that's not how this thing works.
And so I'm intrigued to see how it works in
big moments. It's not how it works. You're right, But
you know, Harden's biggest problem last year was playing all
eighty two games and going up against the team in
San Antonio that knew how to build a wall against him.
I think Chris Paul just being there is going to
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change the dynamic fro for James Harden. You're not gonna
be able to see a good defensive team just load
up on one side of the floor against the James Harden.
I think he wore down from the regular season into
that postseason series. I think that alone is gonna make
James Harden a better postseason player. The Warriors thing is
interesting because yes, they keep winning games, but there are
questions about him. You mentioned kind of the hunger. What
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about the bench? I just I feel like the bench
is different than it's been. I don't know if Igudala
and Livingston can all of a sudden down shift in
the playoffs, and the young guys and Swaggy Pe don't
seem to be ready yet. Am I crazy to think
that the bench is what's really changed with the Warriors now?
I don't think you're crazy. And I think the starting
lineup is going to be more extended in this postseason
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it ever has before, because I don't think you can
trust those guys. I mean, Iguadala can get you defensive stops,
but how long can you leave a guy shooting about
from three out there on the floor. Does he become
overnight a A A thirty five plus percent three point
shooters he's been the last three years. I don't know
same feelings about Sean Livingston, who was a year older.
Do you trust the Jordan's bells and the macause? Uh,
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those are big time question marks. I think Steve Kerr
is gonna have to lean on his starting guys. And look,
maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. I mean,
we're not talking about starters that are into into their thirties.
Most of these guys are late twenties or very early thirties.
They're capable of giving you, you know, thirty eight thirty
nine minutes that of thirty four thirty five. Uh, it's
just gonna depend on how far, how how tough they're
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tested in the early rounds of the playoff. That's why
even for Golden State as well, getting that number one
overall seed might be more important this year that it's
been in a year's past. Chris Mannix from Yahoo Sports
NBA Insider also covers boxing. What a great guy, great
guy to uh to call on? Last thing? Look, I
know it's just March and there's a lot, but uh,
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if you're if you're betting on destinations for Lebron, is
Philadelphia in the top two in the top is it?
Is it worthy if you were hosting an ashtra radio show,
which you used to do until like a week ago, Um?
Is it worthy of legit discussion? I think it's worthy
of discussion. Um. You know, you hear so much from
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people kind of in Lebron's or, but you don't really
know who as Lebron's ear. I don't think it's as
serious of destination as some people do. In fact that
if I had to bet on anybody, and this might
sound crazy, but I'm gonna bet on san Antonio right now.
The the the bromance Doug between Great and Lebron James
is ridiculous. And one thing I know about Lebron that
I've gleaned off him over the years, there's part of
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him that's always want to play for one of those
historic Hall of Fame coaches. Now he's never gonna play
for Phil Jackson for obvious reasons. Uh, Doc Rivers, I
don't know if he's on that level. Greg Popovich is
on that level. People say all the time that Lebron
wants to be the coach, wants to be the GM.
I don't think he does. I just don't think he's
ever trusted the coach or the GM at the level
he would at Gregg Popovitch. I think the part of
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Lebron that wants to play down in San Antonio for
the Spurs and finish his career down there with that
team in that system. So I know there's some salary
cap gymnastics that would have to take place, but I'm
gonna just guess San Antonio right now and believe that
they're the destination for liberal It's funny, I've heard people
say that, but I just remember, this is a check
your ego at the door. His boys wouldn't be around
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the team the way they are in Cleveland, and everybody
says they want to be coached until they're really coached,
and they're like, man, I don't really want to like right,
So I don't. But do you think Lebron duck. Do
you think he has a greater appreciation now for expulsion
pat Riley that he did when he left. I mean
I do, yeah, but but I don't think like Spolstra
wasn't at the time, Remember he I think, Look, I
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think Lebron is really smart, and I think he's really confident.
I also think he's a little arrogant and he thinks
if I get the right guy, like I think he
thinks if he got David Fizdale in l A, that
that that would be like getting Spolstra, And um, I
just I don't think. I don't. I don't see it
with the with the pop thing. I don't see that
where else where else. Doug, do you think that a
guy could age gracefully? I mean Philadelphia, you can see
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Lebron aging gracefully because he can be the man next
season and that as these young Lions come up, he
can sort of, you know, received a little bit to
the background like Tim Duncan did. Other than that, san
Antonio represents the ideal spot for Lebron to play into
his late thirties and forties because Pop, as long as
he's there, knows how to do that. So I think
there's a lot of behind the scenes type of matchin
Asians that makes san Antonio more appealing. People think fascinating
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man Lakers would be the other other one. Obviously that
people are talking about and the young guys are getting better,
even though they gave one away last night. It seems
too easy that, And doesn't it seem like everybody's saying that,
So Lebron is not gonna do it? Yeah, all the
other possible, all the other possible. Hey man, great stuff, dude,
look forward to you seeing you next time you're in town.
That's Chris Mannix from Yahoo Sports. Thanks Mannox, You've got
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There is no fog, there is no smog, and Mama did,
in fact cook the breakfast with no hog. It is
a good day. It is a good day in l
a uh Now, I'm not gonna crush Isaiah Thomas like
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some NFL talk, including what really could be going on
with the exodus of dissenting voices in New England that
to come. Jeff Schwartz is gonna join us in fifteen minutes,
will get his take on what we saw from the
combine and how we can correlate it yet to correlate
it and correlate it to the upcoming NFL draft. Plus
(01:10):
reported offers from the Minnesota Vikings to Kirk Cousins. We
heard yesterday it was the Vikings and the Jets. What
are the Vikings doing? An interesting way of going all
in for franchise quarterback. But I want to start with
this since it is in fact March and March band.
This is upon us and everyone is trying to fix
(01:30):
the broken college basketball system. I love when things are broken,
like that really all that broken? Oh it's broken? Okay,
okay that This to me is here's here's a parallel.
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After the Olympics, after the election, there were people and
there will always be people. The electoral college has to go,
has to go. And of course the only people who
ever think the electoral college has to go are the
people who lose the general election because the electoral college,
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the electoral college is the Thursday night football is bad
of politics, right, No one ever complains about Thursday night football.
Who wins Thursday night football? There's nobody wins thursdaynight football
game and then has like a week and a half
off before the next game, says like, man, that Thursday
night game that was awful, that was terrible. We really
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need to rethink that. You just don't the same thing
happens in elections. But the truth is that if we
were to do away with the electoral college that many
of the states that have it would it would simply
change the way in which you tried to get elected.
It wouldn't necessarily change the outcome. Like there is a
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reason that we have. We not a true pure democracy.
We are a what is it called a representative democracy,
and the electoral college is a snapshot of what Congress
is right, the House of Representatives is. It is skewed.
It does favor the more populated states. But you can't
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it can't be so overpowering lye uh, the government can't
be so overparently formed by the populated states. More populated
states that are be a come unfair. I bring that
up because I think there's a lot of people who
have the right intentions. It's interesting, right intentions. Have you
guys been watching The Final Bachelor? Anybody not me, but
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I do know. Apparently are picks a chick and then
in the process between when he picked the woman and
the Final Bachelor episode, which is like months, he decides
that the one that he that he didn't pick was
the one, so he dumps that chick and ends up
with the other chick. This, of course was leaked. I
love the fact that like, like, oh leaked, how would
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it get leaked? It wouldn't bring more eyes to the
Bachelor finale, would it. I love saying in it for
the right reasons because I like, I think Steve Kerr's
example of being in the sport for the right reasons.
And you might say, well, he's a coach of the Warriors.
He makes five seven million dollars a year, that's not
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the right reasons. Remember, Steve Kerr first was kind of
a mercurial bench player. I don't know how much you
guys know his story, Like he didn't have scholarship offers.
Lud Olson first got the job at Arizona needed a guard,
came to southern California and was kind of set up deal.
He played it at Rachel palas Verdis palas Verdi's high school,
I believe. But he wasn't heavily recruited at all, and
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so when Luke came to see him and Lute needed players,
his coach at the time set it up so that hey,
don't animy block Steve Kerr shot, let's make him look good.
And then he saw him in a summer league, liked him,
took him and kind of the as his history, but
that's not really the story. Then he went to the
NBA and he was just a journeyman until he got
a couple opportunities to start. And he didn't become a
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known commodity until he was with the Chicago Bulls. And
he was the perfect point guard, if you will, for
the triangle offense, to play oppos of Michael Jordan, to
play opposite Scottie Pippott. So so with all of that
mind like, here's a guy who after he got done playing,
he did well in the financial sector. He was an
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incredibly talented broadcaster for TURNI, she called the Final Four
for CBS. He was a general manager in the NBA,
and now he's a coach in the NBA. And oh yeah,
by the way, both of his kids, daughter volleyball at
cal Son, basketball at USD have been student athletes. So
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with the exception of the fact that somebody would say, well,
he came from money, like okay, got a pretty good
perspective on this. Keep in mind that if you go
back a couple of years ago when he was still
a broadcaster, he said from his time as a general manager,
he thought that players should stay in college at least two,
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if not three years. He did not believe in the
nun and debt. Having been in the NBA with players
that came straight into high school, it's like they weren't
ready as people. You need time to grow, You need
time to matric not just matriculate, but to mature socially
as well as in basketball. And yeah, academically that is important.
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Then Steve Kerr said this yesterday. One of the things
the n c A needs to look at is, uh,
if the kid signs with an agent and declares for
the draft and he doesn't get drafted, welcome him back.
Why not? What's the what's the harm? You know, we're
gonna talk about all this amateurism and all this stuff,
but we're truly trying to do the right thing for
the kid. The kid declares for the draft and doesn't
doesn't get drafted, and realizes, you know what, I should
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go to college. Welcome him back, do something good for
the kids, and do something good for the kids. I
I agree, But here's even something that I think all
of us would like to agree on. All of us
would like to say, you know what, Steve, You're right,
which would you have to be able to do if
you're gonna have a reasonable argument and not in this
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crap you see on TV where guys won't even hear
somebody's point. Give example, I was, I was debating last
week Larry Bird versus Lebron James with uh nick right,
and he pointed out, like, you can't compare the points
to the assists the rebounds because Lebron has done it
for longer, to which I said, you're right. I I
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can't argue that point. It's not the point I want
to argue. But if you want to talk about consistency
of career, and I would point out because of health,
not because of skill I have, I can't you win
that part of the argument. Doesn't mean you win the
whole argument, but you're in that part of the argument.
And so what Steve is saying, and I'm not arguing
with Steve Kerr, is hey don't make sense that if
a kid doesn't get dressed, he goes back to school.
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And you say to yourself, yeah, I don't think anybody should, right,
Like the idea is to have have them in school
as long as they want to be in school. And
if they think they can make it go okay. Here
in lies the problem with that the NBA and the
n c A. The n c A actually now allows
players to not just get all the information, but to
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attend the pre draft UH workout pre draft camp in
Chicago to talk to all these NBA teams to get
real feedback. So many of them know about where their
future is going to be. Now the agents, a lot
of them lie to them a late first, early second.
They end up late second or undrafted. The first problem
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with it is the players already know when they're not
going to get drafted. They don't listen. But okay, you
want to say, you know what, sometimes it's the harsh
reality of not getting drafted that should allow player to
go back, humble them, get them back to work, and
you know what, it's a good thing. I still would
agree with that. Even though they have all the information
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and if they listen to the right people, their college coach,
UH and NBA people, a legit advisor, like, all of
these things are valuable. But but one thing you need
need to understand is they are still not going to
listen to you because they still believe if I walk
into a locker room. I'm flying to Vegas tonight to
call games from the Mountain West tomorrow. If I walk
into the Gonzaga B y U locker room, they play
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tonight the w CC Championship game. And I asked the Zachs,
how many guys are playing the NBA, and these are
Gonzaga kids, they all will believe they playing the NBA.
If I walk to the B y U locker room,
I'm not sure if I get all of them, but
many of them would say the same. And there might
be one NBA player in both locker rooms. Might be
and I think Zack is pretty good. But all the
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NBA players they had left cleaning their point guard from
last year who had a great year, not an NBA
player league player had another year left. But anyway, so
the first thing is they already have the information. But
here's the part that this is what makes all of
this a lot more complicated. The unintended consequences of allowing
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players to come back are as follows the guys that declare,
and they don't have to, but they generally do. They're like, well, look,
I gotta get ready for the pre draft workouts. So
in order to do so, I gotta leave school and
work out seven So now are they going to be
eligible when they come back? And they kept up with
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their grades their coursework, and you may think, well we
should give them a pass, like okay, but at what
level do you give them a pass? You know? Secondly,
in order to go train with somebody, oftentimes that costs money,
maybe not money as much as like credit from an
agent gonna pay that back, or agents gonna just gonna
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be S O L and then gonna still be their
agents and have to eat that money. Now, I'm not
even talking about the fact that many of these kids
get fronted money because they get out and they think
they're gonna be NBA draft picks, Like all right, can
you give me seventy five up front so I can
go and get a car. We'll get something else that
I don't actually need at this point in time. They do.
That's how it works. I need a suit for the draft.
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You need to watch, I need my my buddy needs
to travel. I need a place to stay. I need
food to eat, like all these things that colleges have
provided for you. Place to work out, person to work
you out, uh, place to go lift person, you know,
a physical trainer as well place to get physical therapy.
All these things that are actually providing you for college
that everybody says, you know, colleges get over on players.
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These actually things cost money in the real world transportation.
Who's gonna pay that back? And then here's the last thing.
What about the opportunity loss by an incoming player. High
school kids that got and smarter and they're waiting longer
to commit to a college because they want to see
whoever leaves for the NBA Draft. That's where I'm gonna
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go because I want to play right away. So what
do you do if your college coach like, I need
thirteen guys on scholarship, and even if it's my best
player and I just I want to support him, he's
gonna wait. The NBA Draft is an end of June.
Do we realize on the calendar you have to have
your team in place well before the end of June.
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Say your point guard says, you know, I want to
put my name in the draft. I might even find
if I don't get drafted, come back. So now I
have to go get another point guard. If I have
that of the point guard and my player decides to
come back, I'm of course going to welcome him back.
What do I do with the other kid that plays
the same position. My point is that this is one
of the simplest decisions of all of these decisions. Because
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I think everybody agrees and that's a good idea. You
should be able to welcome him back. If he doesn't.
No one will dispute that. No, I don't think anybody's
arguing with Steve Kerr on whether or not that idea
is a good one. And even with the really good
ideas that everybody agrees with, there's a ton of un
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You can fall him on Twitter at Geoff Schwartz. Make
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How you doing, Jeff, I'm good. I I don't know
if there's three hundred and seventy two channels before our channel,
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three seventy three. We're in. We're on eight three year
on three seventy three program. Both Jess Wars joining us
on the Doug Guile League Show. You are big in
the don't draft Sae Kwan Barkley number one overall crowd.
Why is that? Well, I think it's just the Brown situation.
The Browns for years have passed on the quarterback, and
we know how valuable a quarterback is the NFL. We
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saw today the Steelers officially placed the tag on Lady
On Bell, who is their workhorse on offense. You can
argue he's the most unamic running back on The Steelers
refused to give him a long term contract because that
position is just not that valuable. Quarterback has the most
valuable position in the NFL. The Browns for years have
settled for the second or third option where there was
in twenty sixteen, they drafted Questos going for Wentz or
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where it was last year, instead of drafting Watson or Mahomes.
They ended up with the shan Kaiser. This is their
opportunity that draft the guys they want. Look, all these
guys at the top have some sort of flaw, but
you have an opportunity to pick the guy that you've
scouted that you like for your you know, and your
your franchise for the future at one. And then if
you to get Barkley, if you want to get an
office to tackle two or three, you can trade back
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up for that ors wait untill four. Um, but the
risk of losing out on the quarterback you want is
not worth the reward of drafting and running back who
you know? They they produced for four or five six
years and they've done a quarterback? Will the last your
fifteen years? Okay? But um, there's a there's a there's
a bunch of thig. I understand the Browns have passed
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on a quarterback. Got that, And I think that the
Browns truth be told. If somebody in the top five
wanted to trade up to get a quarterback, and they
could get say Kwan Barkley, still fine, and remember they
have the fourth pick. So why draft a quarterback one
when the guy you want is available one and might
not be available at four. I mean, like, if you
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can get both, when I get both, and Barkley is
the best player in the draft, get the best player
in the draft. Before the combine, by the way, no
one really was saying that Barkley should be the first pick.
And then he runs really well and jumps really want
everyone said, oh, you know, as a transcendent player. It's funny.
Someone posted yesterday video of Adrian Peterson in college. That's
a once in generational player. I mean that that's not
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even remotely close to what sat Klon Barkley. But hold on,
let me, let me let me jump in here, okay,
because and I love Adrian Peterson and I would agree
with you, but Adrian Peterson is probably better as a
pure running back. But Sa Kwan Barkley does more at
this age in terms of past protection, catching in the
backfield that Peterson never did in college. And the Pierson
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really still Peterson really honestly doesn't doesn't block on third
he never played third down, and it wasn't much a
pass catcher. Um, here's why you have to draft the
quarterback at one. You know there's there's six top quarterbacks,
maybe four, let's say, or five. It depends on how
you rank them. If you're the Browns right, you're gonna
fall in love with one of them. That's just the
way it works. You'll you'll follow up with the one
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and you'll say, well, maybe we'll be okay with the
second one. If you go Barkley at one, the Giants
will probably treat the two siven. The Giants want Barkley
because they think you I has three years left, so
that they with Trato too, so the Colts could tray
out three as well. So now you maybe have lost
your opportunity to draft a quarterback that you like, and
now you settle again for the second option, which typically
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turns out to not be the guy that you wanted.
I don't understand the need for running back for a
team last year that was temph and rushing their fourth
in power rushing there were fourteenth and adjusted rushing. They
rushed the ball five. They have young, they have young
running backs that are fine Barkley. Adding Barkley and not
getting the quarterback you want does not get them over
the hump the quarterback they want and maybe adding Barkley
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or an offensive guard, you know, Quinton Nelson or Fitzpatrick
to safety and putting those players on the Browns and
makes them a better team. Joe Thomas, who's made the
rounds and media obviously has his podcast. He's begging the
Browns to to to sign the quarterback or drafted quarterback
because he knows that they had a quarterback last year
they would have gone six and ten a Nate Possibly.
They have talent on their team. They do not need
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a running back. That's the voice of reason. That's Jeff Schwartz,
who joins us on the Doug Gottlick Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, let's let's get to that lady
on Bell. Steelers deciding to at this this point franchise
Tagon because they can't agree to a deal. Do you
run the risk though Levian told us, Hey, man, if
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you franchise tag me again, I'm not going to camp,
do you run the risk of overpaying him on the
short term and ruining a relationship in the long term
In an effort to grind him down in a couple
of million dollars here there. Well, the reason why they're
having a contract issue is because Laysan don't wants to
be paid as a dual threat player. He wants to
be paid kind of in between running back and and
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wide receiver because he does so much out of the bathfield,
which would be a first that really hasn't been a
hybrid player. It's just like tight ends want to get
franchised at the wide receiver number because all of those
guys are basically wide receivers, and so far that does
not work. And that's where the impass is that it's
not that they don't want to pay him to be
the top paid running back. They don't want to pay
him to be a dual threat guy because his position
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listed on the roster is running back. So not for
that right now. And look last year and hurt the
Steelers earlier the season that Bell was not there, and
his teammates and you were called about week three and
training camp were like, dude, you've got to come back,
Like we need you to come back because it takes
some time again with them and get in shape and
and and all that, and so yeah, he might hold
out again, but it's gonna hurt his team. And I
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just think the Steelers, like most NFL teams, just don't
value running backs as much. And maybe they're wrong about that,
maybe Bell is a different type of player and that
they should value him more. But the way they use
him as well, I mean they put four touches on
him a year. That's a lot of touches. Eventually he's
gonna break down. I think the Stevens field that if
you give him a long term contract, you just won't
get the value out of that because he will he
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will get burned, He'll get he'll get burned out, and
and he won't be able to produce it at the
level of you pay him to produce. I I agree
with you. I agree with you. I mean I do.
I mean I think we actually Me and Ryan Music,
my producer, we discussed this for the show and and
he was comparing it to the Kirk Cousins thing, and
I was like, no, no, Kirk Cousins can play into
his late thirties, so as that whereas Levian Bell three
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years is the absolute max you would say for for
Levian Bell to be an All Pro, Pro Bowl level player.
And then he's twenty nine, that's if he doesn't break
down before then he's he and he's he's missed games
due to suspension and injuries in the past to begin with.
All right, let's let's get to kirk Cousins. There's at
least one report that it's the Vikings. Is multiple reports
that's the Vikings and the Jets, and one report has
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the Vikings offering three years, fully guaranteed, nine one million dollars.
What are your thoughts on that offer coming from the
Vikings and if you like that as their future, I
love it as their future. And what I love about
this deal too is this will be the first time
hopefully it's a fully guaranteed contract. Look, Mike McCartney his agent.
I used to be with Party Sports UM and Mike
was one of my agents that helped me out. He's
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got a sense half a child of leveraging every single
cent out of at a Kirk Cousins and what he
can do right to franchise tacks. If you give him
a three year deal ninety one million, obviously over thirty
million a year, which will be the highest average per year,
he can still get another contract in three years. It's
a fantastic for him, and the Vikings have the cast
base to do it. If you look at Cousins his
best seasons, well when he had Theshan Jackson, Garson healthy,
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Jordan read the offensive line, he's ever really had a
good defense, go to Minnesota third defense, good running game,
see you and Kyle Rudolph Digs. I mean it's a fantastic,
fantastic place were h for him to land. And as
the Vikings being aggressive and knowing that their quarterback away
possibly for making a Super Bowl. Yeah, I I the
one thing I will tell you that you know, like
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Cam Newton's contracts fully guaranteed, the rookie contracts are fully guaranteed. Um,
so yeah, this would be a vet deal. That's that's
super supers the second contractor guaranteed. Yes, Okay, So what
happens What happens to the Broncos if they don't get
Kirk Cousins? Like, do you go a J McCarron, do
you go back to the draft. I mean they've swung
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and missed here and John Elways said, I'll keep swinging
and missing if that's what it takes. What do you
do if you're the Broncos and you don't get kirk Cousins.
I mean, you have to offer more than anyone else
to get him. I mean I think he'll go to
the highest bidder. In general, it's over thirty million a
years is the obviously the would would make him highest
paid quarterback. It's you're the Broncos. You gotta draft a
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quarterback and develop them. I mean, it's about time that
that you do this. You can't keep relying on the
veterans to help you win these games. At some point
you have to draft young quarterback develop him. Uh, you
know they whipped on Lynch. Looks like they whipped on Well,
send me the seventh in our draft pick. I mean,
you don't really whiff on those guys, um, And so
look they have. They also whiffed on on Brockos Wilder,
(22:33):
who they wanted he when he signed in Houston, Elway
drafted him. And look, they wanted Kaepernick at half of
the month. If Kaepernick wouldn't take a wouldn't take a
wouldn't take a haircut. So so they just have to
they have to draft behind develop them. It's up to
their coaching staff and and it's about time that they
do it because their franchise needs it. And Sook. If
it's Baker Mayfield of five, which I think people have
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had lights over there Josh Rosen, or it's it's Josh Allen,
which I Josh Allen. I mean completely passes is important
and Josh Allen just doesn't do it. So I mean
that's a concern of mine um for him. But I
mean they have to they have to draft someone and
develop him. But if it's a Baker Mayfield or even
at Josh Allen, I mean there's are guys that might
need to wait a year to really be effective. So
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you have to play maybe past and wins or Simeon
for one more year until those guys are ready. Uh,
people can There's there's two things that are hurting Josh Rosen.
One is durability, has had some injuries in the two
is the personality thing, uh, in which super confident, super
he's too he's too smart. But I do think that
people say too smart. It's not really what he's like.
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I think it would be that he he he just
he has a way about him to which not everybody
is fully in on Josh Rosen. Like you've been in
a bunch of locker rooms, how important actually is that
I can't care less if he can swing the ball,
which I think he can, I'm fine with that. Um,
I'm okay with my quarterback being cocky, calm, fit in
a little loof, I mean part of the line manning you.
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Man is a great guy. I think that that you
would look at him in the sideline think he's a
little aloof. He's not. I mean he's he's always in
the in the present. Um. And I think that Rosen
is talented. Now he might not have the most upside
of a lot of the players, but I think that
the concerned with him should be his injury history, concussions, shoulder, back,
and he's had some problems and part of that to
be you know u c l as pull offensive line
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in the last couple of years. But UM, I don't
worry about the mental side of that as much as um.
You know I would worry about it if it was
the other way where he just wasn't very bright, uh,
just you know, being smart, being outspoken. UM. I think
he's very aware of of who he is, which I
think is okay, and it's fine he expresses that all
the time, just like I'm not worried about Baker Mayfield
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being confident and cocky and and that I like my
quarterback to be that way because that's the position. It's
an alpha dog position. You have to you have to
have confidence in yourself, um and and have a little
emotion to play that spot. Jeff, great stuff, Congrats on
the new show, Call Me Up and you want to
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I Heart Radio app. There's always been a group in
that Patriots room who pushed back against Bill. You have
to have guys, you can't have all yes man. That's
a great idea, Bill. Hey, Mr Big Coach b that's
a good one. Ha ha huh. You gonna have some
guys like Tom Dimitrov Scott Pioli, Charlie wish they're all gone. Yes,
(25:49):
Josh McDaniels is there, but Romeo Cornell is not. Um.
The point is that that Belichick, he's not necessarily surrounded
by yes men, but he's no longer no longer has
no men. Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer, who's super close,
super close with Bill Belichick, said quote, I started asking
(26:12):
him about it, and he made the point. He said,
I coach guys that I want to be around. That's it.
I'm not gonna I'm not just gonna coach everyone. And
so if you look, Jamie Collins got traded to Cleveland, right,
Jonathan Cooper. Um, So they got Jonathan Cooper a second
(26:36):
round of third round pick. Felt like they kind of
gave away Jamie Collins, and that Jamie Collins was a
versatile pass rusher and right in the middle of the season,
and like send him to Cleveland. Jimmy Garoppolo second round
pick to the San Francisco forty Niners. You look at
the guy, what did he do it? In the Super Bowl?
(26:56):
He sat a guy in Malcolm Butler, who everybody thinks
is leaving. But he did it because he want to
do it his way or did he just not want
to coach guys that he didn't want to be around.
It feels like Belichick. I don't know if he I
don't think he's becoming bitter, and I'm not sure he's
becoming softer. I just think he's getting to the point
in his career where he's like, you know, I only
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want to coach the guys I want to coach. And
if I can't win a title because of talent, I'm
okay with that. I've won titles. He's got five Super Bowls,
He's been to eight of them. If it's if you
want to tell me I can't win a super Bowl
with the town I have, it's fine. But I've been
to eight super Bowls, I've won five, so there is
no proving myself. This is just I want to work
(27:41):
with the people I want to work with. I don't
need a holes, I don't need me first guys. I
want team guys. I'm sure I know that may cause
me to miss out on free agents, that may cause
Rob Gronkowski to not have fun. He might want to go,
but we want a super Bowl this year without Rob Grenkowski.
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Didn't we like not saying Gronks not important. He is.
He's our best weapon for Tom Brady. It's not irreplaceable
because every season the Patriots have to replace important parts
and they seem to be able to do it. Is
there some arrogance with that? Yeah, but it is that
arrogance or confidence based upon fact you better believe. Be
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sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Chris Mannix, Uh,
you've got expertise in covering hoops as a reporter covering
the world of boxing. When asked them about Canelo Alvarez
and if we buy the tainted meat excuse I had
(28:44):
a steak in Mexico City. Was good steak? Tell you
tequila to yes, might have made me test positive for
p E d S. I'm not sure I buy that one.
We'll see if Mannix does. Oh, he's with us, Manx.
Let's just start there and we'll get to some hoop stuff.
You buy Canelo Alvarez at a bad steak and that's
why he popped positive for a p D YO. Doug,
I'm I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt,
(29:06):
but I need to see the receipts. I need to
know more than that press release set. I don't care
that he was just embarrassed. I need to know when
he thinks he ate it, how he came across it. Um,
I need details because you know this this drug that
that that he tested positive for, It's become kind of
a what I think is a convenient excuse for some
(29:28):
Mexican athletes. He had two boxers in the last five
years test positive for. We know the soccer story. Um,
you know Canello has says doesn't have a history of this,
So I'm willing to give him a little bit of
rope here. But I need more than just what was
already released. And I think that Gallofkin should demand more too,
especially in a sports as violent his boxing. Doug Outland Show,
(29:50):
Fox Sports Trains. Let's let's keep with boxing. There's just
talk now money Mayweather moving to mm A, Like what
what I don't I don't, I don't, I don't understand.
Help me on to stand this. I don't think it's happening.
I'd be Look, I was very surprised that that he
fought Um Connor mcgreggor only because I thought negotiations would
be as painful as they were from Mandy packy out.
That's why I didn't think it was gonna happen. But
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you know, Mayweather, more than anything, wants to be relevant.
He he wants to see his name trending on social media.
He wants to be talked about on radio and TV shows.
That's why he does this stuff. That's why I post
those videos and why stuff leaks out about potential negotiations
with with the Dana White. But more than anything else,
Mayweather loves this aura of invincibility that he has at
fifty and oh when he retired. He has that. Now
(30:34):
we can argue where he stands in the all time
you know, boxing animals, but he's got a legacy that
that he wants. He goes into the the m m
A world, he's gonna get beat up pretty good. He's
not going to learn mm A overnight. So if for
no other reason than his his are of invincibility would
take a massive hit, I'd be astonished we ever saw
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Mayweather in a cage. I tend to agree with you,
but I also think he likes people to talk about
him and and that's that's probably his favorite part because
otherwise he's you know, boxing is out of sight, out
of mind. Let's talk about things that are more inside
in mind. Um. The Cleveland Cavaliers, now we've seen them
a good bit and look that they don't appear to
have a second go to the way they did with Kyrie.
(31:18):
There is some better there's better feelings about this team
than there are previously. They dominated the Detroit Pistons last night.
What's your take on on where they stand long term,
at least long term being this season in comparison to
where they were before the trade deadline. You know, I
think they're a better team than what they were before
the trade deadline. I think the guys they acquired are
supporting players who are comfortable in their roles, and the
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guys they shipped out, maybe not particularly Isaiah, but even
Jay Crowder who didn't seem to fit in with what
they were doing Cleveland. The question is do any of
these guys they brought in, do any of them improve
their defense? Now? They held Detroit under ninety points, but
that's not a real accomplishment. Everybody's holding Detroit two limited numbers. Detroit,
it's not a very good team right now. But you
look at what the Nets did them three even in
(32:02):
a win by the by Cleveland. You look at the
other teams since the All Star Break. Their defense continues
to get gashed night in and night out, And at
some point we have to stop saying reflexively that come
the playoffs, the Cavalier is gonna flip the switch. They
don't have any plus defenders outside of Lebron James at
any position. George Hill is okay at the point guard spot,
but he's not a plus defender, and nobody else on
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that roster is a plus defender. So I think they're
gonna have problems. But with the bigger question is who
out there is gonna be able to take advantage of it?
Do we trust, you know, Toronto and that young bench.
The guys are giving them forty points per game right now,
the Fred Van Fleets and the sas and and and
uh and the rights. Do we trust Boston which is
ebdon flowed really since January one? Cleveland is a flawed
(32:45):
team right now, Doug. But I don't know that there's
a team out there that's poised to jump on those
flaws and exploit them. That's the voice of Chris Mannix.
Yeah who Sports. He joins us on the Doug Gottlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Are you are you
ready to consider Houston real? And by real, I don't
mean could James Harden when the m v P could?
By real, I don't mean regular season And look, they
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it's not like they've lost in the first round like
so many Dallas Mavericks teams lost in the first round.
But there's always this sense that it's D'Antoni. It's a
bunch of numbers, it's a bunch of threes, it's not
postseason real. Is this a postseason real team in your opinion? Now?
I think it's a postseason real team. Um. A couple
of reasons. One, I always found the criticism of Mike
(33:27):
D'Antoni um a little bit over the top. I mean,
you remember back when it was at OH seven, when
you know Robert Ory check Steve Nash, and that changed
the dynamic of that series. That doesn't happen. Sons win,
they probably go on to win the championship. At the
perception of Mike D'Antoni is completely different. Number two, their
defense is high level. I mean, we've seen what We're
sixty plus games into this season, their top ten the
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NBA and defensive efficiency. It's beyond just being kind of
a fad with this team. Now. They're they're thin, it's
some of those those bench spots. But as long as
guys like Mabommute and Tucker and others stay healthy, they're
gonna be very good on the defensive end of the floor.
And the one advantage I think they have over Golden
State that that's the most significant, is that they're hungrier.
And that's not to say that the Warriors don't want
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to get back to the finals again. A guy like
Kevin Durant hasn't been around as long as the Greens
and the Curries and the thompson have have. Uh, he's hungry.
But this, this Rockets team is is just full of
guys that haven't accomplished anything, haven't achieved at the highest level.
Harden only been to one finals and that was as
a supporting guy. Chris Paul never out of the second round.
The bench guys never accomplished anything. I think that, you know,
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having that hunger is gonna be a real asset for them,
especially if they wind up in that first overall. Sea
with home court advantage. You know, people laugh at regular
season results, but San Antonio last year had similar regular
season results against Golden State, and if Kawhi Leonard didn't
get hurt, I maintain at the very least that the
six or seven game series against Golden State. I have
the same type of feeling with the Houston Rockets. I
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think they are going to be just as good against
Golden State in the playoffs as they have been the
regular season. Right, I'm I'm still holding. I just am.
I just you know, I'm still holding. Do I think
they're better? Like? Yeah, I just think adding Chris Paul
was saying, not only we don't think Harden can do
it alone, but we need some toughness. Same thing with
Joe Johnson. But I also think both those guys, when
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they go to default and you go to playoffs in
a big spot, you're gonna go back to your default
their ball stoppers. And that's not how this thing works.
And so I'm intrigued to see how it works in
big moments. It's not how it works. You're right, But
you know, Harden's biggest problem last year was playing all
eighty two games and going up against the team in
San Antonio that knew how to build a wall against him.
I think Chris Paul just being there is going to
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change the dynamic fro for James Harden. You're not gonna
be able to see a good defensive team just load
up on one side of the floor against the James Harden.
I think he wore down from the regular season into
that postseason series. I think that alone is gonna make
James Harden a better postseason player. The Warriors thing is
interesting because yes, they keep winning games, but there are
questions about him. You mentioned kind of the hunger. What
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about the bench? I just I feel like the bench
is different than it's been. I don't know if Igudala
and Livingston can all of a sudden down shift in
the playoffs, and the young guys and Swaggy Pe don't
seem to be ready yet. Am I crazy to think
that the bench is what's really changed with the Warriors now?
I don't think you're crazy. And I think the starting
lineup is going to be more extended in this postseason
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it ever has before, because I don't think you can
trust those guys. I mean, Iguadala can get you defensive stops,
but how long can you leave a guy shooting about
from three out there on the floor. Does he become
overnight a A A thirty five plus percent three point
shooters he's been the last three years. I don't know
same feelings about Sean Livingston, who was a year older.
Do you trust the Jordan's bells and the macause? Uh,
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those are big time question marks. I think Steve Kerr
is gonna have to lean on his starting guys. And look,
maybe that's not the worst thing in the world. I mean,
we're not talking about starters that are into into their thirties.
Most of these guys are late twenties or very early thirties.
They're capable of giving you, you know, thirty eight thirty
nine minutes that of thirty four thirty five. Uh, it's
just gonna depend on how far, how how tough they're
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tested in the early rounds of the playoff. That's why
even for Golden State as well, getting that number one
overall seed might be more important this year that it's
been in a year's past. Chris Mannix from Yahoo Sports
NBA Insider also covers boxing. What a great guy, great
guy to uh to call on? Last thing? Look, I
know it's just March and there's a lot, but uh,
(37:21):
if you're if you're betting on destinations for Lebron, is
Philadelphia in the top two in the top is it?
Is it worthy if you were hosting an ashtra radio show,
which you used to do until like a week ago, Um?
Is it worthy of legit discussion? I think it's worthy
of discussion. Um. You know, you hear so much from
(37:41):
people kind of in Lebron's or, but you don't really
know who as Lebron's ear. I don't think it's as
serious of destination as some people do. In fact that
if I had to bet on anybody, and this might
sound crazy, but I'm gonna bet on san Antonio right now.
The the the bromance Doug between Great and Lebron James
is ridiculous. And one thing I know about Lebron that
I've gleaned off him over the years, there's part of
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him that's always want to play for one of those
historic Hall of Fame coaches. Now he's never gonna play
for Phil Jackson for obvious reasons. Uh, Doc Rivers, I
don't know if he's on that level. Greg Popovich is
on that level. People say all the time that Lebron
wants to be the coach, wants to be the GM.
I don't think he does. I just don't think he's
ever trusted the coach or the GM at the level
he would at Gregg Popovitch. I think the part of
(38:24):
Lebron that wants to play down in San Antonio for
the Spurs and finish his career down there with that
team in that system. So I know there's some salary
cap gymnastics that would have to take place, but I'm
gonna just guess San Antonio right now and believe that
they're the destination for liberal It's funny, I've heard people
say that, but I just remember, this is a check
your ego at the door. His boys wouldn't be around
(38:47):
the team the way they are in Cleveland, and everybody
says they want to be coached until they're really coached,
and they're like, man, I don't really want to like right,
So I don't. But do you think Lebron duck. Do
you think he has a greater appreciation now for expulsion
pat Riley that he did when he left. I mean
I do, yeah, but but I don't think like Spolstra
wasn't at the time, Remember he I think, Look, I
(39:08):
think Lebron is really smart, and I think he's really confident.
I also think he's a little arrogant and he thinks
if I get the right guy, like I think he
thinks if he got David Fizdale in l A, that
that that would be like getting Spolstra, And um, I
just I don't think. I don't. I don't see it
with the with the pop thing. I don't see that
where else where else. Doug, do you think that a
guy could age gracefully? I mean Philadelphia, you can see
(39:30):
Lebron aging gracefully because he can be the man next
season and that as these young Lions come up, he
can sort of, you know, received a little bit to
the background like Tim Duncan did. Other than that, san
Antonio represents the ideal spot for Lebron to play into
his late thirties and forties because Pop, as long as
he's there, knows how to do that. So I think
there's a lot of behind the scenes type of matchin
Asians that makes san Antonio more appealing. People think fascinating
(39:52):
man Lakers would be the other other one. Obviously that
people are talking about and the young guys are getting better,
even though they gave one away last night. It seems
too easy that, And doesn't it seem like everybody's saying that,
So Lebron is not gonna do it? Yeah, all the
other possible, all the other possible. Hey man, great stuff, dude,
look forward to you seeing you next time you're in town.
That's Chris Mannix from Yahoo Sports. Thanks Mannox, You've got
a duck
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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