August 22, 2025 • 53 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug takes issue with Hall Of Famer Eric Dickerson saying that a source told him that NFL teams were told not to draft Shedeur Sanders.
A debate is spawned between Doug and Dan Beyer as Urban Meyer clears up something about Jim Harbaugh. Doug welcomes co-host of "The Solid Verbal" college football podcast Ty Hildenbrandt onto the show to preview the season.
Doug questions why Jerry Jones has approached the negotiations with Micah Parsons and what might be behind all of his publicity this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a great day. It's a football Friday. College football is
here as we're at week zero. You made it, You
made it, You made it. We'll make fun of something
ESPN posted. That's always fun. Mark Dominical join us that's
always entered. Interesting A really interesting hypotheses from Jason Stewart
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on Jerry Jones. I want to share that with you.
Uh I remier backpedaling like a defensive back and was
Bill Belichick kind of privately raking the crafts. We got
a bunch to get to, but I want to start
with someone who Jay stew you worked with somebody who
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I like, and we grew up watching play as one
of the greatest football players we've ever seen play. But
he did the thing that I just I find to
be not good, bizarre and sort of a credibility killer.
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On the other hand, it is feeding the masses the
sugar that they so desire, even if it's bad for you,
even if it's bad for you. And like I remember
when when the president got elected his his first term,
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and and I had I have several friends, black friends,
mixed race friends, and especially friends from their foreign friends,
and there was you know, between some of the travel
band and some of the narratives, there was the thought
of for me, I did not know there was a
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level of xenophobia and racism that was being promoted. On
the other hand, some of it I had to take
a step back and go, Okay, how much of this
is real? How much of this is And when I
say media created, it's the media is drawn to the
fringes left and right right. But I'm just somebody. And Jason,
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I think you can I don't know if you're can
attest to this or not. When you grew up in California,
it's so weird to hear people talk like racial politics.
And I know that California there's become a level of
racial politics. But again, you grew up and look you
grew up in a part of Orange County which was
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mostly white, but it wasn't super rich. It was lower
middle income, and there were Hispanics as well. I grew
up in a very diverse part of Orange, California. Obviously,
playing basketball, y're surrounded by people of color. So when
I heard about, you know, like people saying there's still
all this racism, I was like, really, And then we
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read about it, you watch on the news, You're like, well,
maybe there is. But then you settle back down to
the Hey, sports is a place where racism. We've generally
evolved out of it. Yes, we still use stereotypes fair, unfair,
mostly unfair, but we still use stereotypes. We do. But
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the idea that and we've talked about this before with
Eric b Enemy, that because he was a black man,
he could get a head coaching job. When I've walked
you through many times over the feedback I've gotten from
people who have interviewed him but not hired him as
a head coach. Now it's not even part of the conversation.
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I remember. You go back, not this past year, the
five previous years probably, and Eric the Enemy was discussed
of you gotta hire this guy. He not anywhere close
to being disgusted. It's crazy like he's slightly ahead of
where Colin Kaepernick is to be a starting quarterback, where
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he is to be a head coach in the NFL slightly.
So that brings me to Eric Dickerson, Hall of Fame
running back, two thousand yard season. And Eric, he's never
been shy to say what he thinks. That's why his
nickname with the Rams was the first four letters of
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his last name, right, So this was Eric Dickerson, remember,
super opinionated Hall of Fame former Ram and Colton on
Rogan and Rodney on our am affiliate.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I'll tell you as much here what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it, told other don't draft him, do
not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna make
an example out of him. And this came from a
very good source, a very good source. And he said
that I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns
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and said, don't do that. Really, yep, draft him, don't don't.
Don't do that because they weren't go drafted either. They
weren't gonna drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Only they did right, Only they did Okay, I'm not
denying that Eric Dickerson knows NFL people. I'm not denying
that people haven't talked a lot about Shador Sanders and
where he was drafted. But the NFL has been accused
of or even sued for collusion several times over the
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past five years. Do we rea really think that thirty
two teams who want to win football games, if they
thought Shador Sanders was good enough. Do you really think
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that Roger Goodell or somebody of power would have picked
up the phone and say, don't draft him and risk
not millions billions of dollars if that story was true
and got out right. Because that's an easy one. You know,
it's not truly a free market, but there's still free
market principles. Things you can't do. You can't call teams
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in your league and say, do not draft this player
because we want to make an example out of him
when he's committed no real crime other than being an arrogant,
entitled Ridge Kidd who flaunted his wealth while playing college
football and disengaged in interviews with teams he didn't want
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to go to, and did so in a fashion that
was hard to take for most teams in the league,
Like I'm not sure about a lot of things. A
scientific factor is only ninety seven percent. This screws people
up that don't know science. Like one of the things
science does is they leave room for the outliers and
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the very small chance, but a scientifically proven fact, it's
like ninety seve percent chance that's right, or even ninety nine.
But with ninety nine, there's that one percent. Right, I
am one hundred percent certain the sunrise in the east
and sets in the west, and that there was no
collusion to keep Shador Sanders out of the league because
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the league was trying to make a point about him.
And what's crazy is and this is where it's really
poison It's really poisoned because this is the type of
internet rumor that we see really in Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, we've we're employing conspiracy theorists to make major
decisions for the current and future of our country, right,
and this is just a conspiracy theory and this is
who we become. And I gotta tell you, like Eric Dickerson,
I would have him on one time for this, and
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that would really it because that's a credibility killer. You
run the risk of being sued by the National Football League,
a multi multi, multi, multi billion dollar industry, because they
don't want to get sued for collusion. So if they
don't okay, if he doesn't retract, he's saying they cocluded
and they said nothing about it. And it's not like
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it's what's the guy who tweets at the show Jay
stew J always talk about is it race car forty seven?
Corvette Corvette Guy twenty seven. It's not Corvette Guy twenty seven.
This is Eric freaking Dickerson. This is two thousand yard season.
This is a Hall of Fame running back who used
to be on Monday Night Football as a broadcaster. And listen,
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I'm telling you that he's wrong. I'm telling you whoever
he talked to is like, well this people are saying
this is this is like a trump ism, right, and
this is honestly what's kind of happened with the president
where he can say whatever and nobody calls them on it,
and if you call them on it, you know, I mean,
he's they're just gonna move on. Doesn't work out way.
You can't say that the NFL colluded to keep Shador
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Sanders out to make a point, and you're like, well,
of course, like, ka, of course they would. Why why
would they? If Shadoor Sanders can win them football games?
Nobody cares. And the easiest example of that is the
actual who should be the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, right,
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Deshaun Watson was accused of sexual assault up to over
forty times, settled many of these settled some of these suits,
and yet the Cleveland Browns offered him a five year,
guaranteed contract, the lights of which we had never seen before.
Not because he's white, he's not. He's black. Not because
he wanted Clemson or he wanted Houston, or because they
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thought he could win in Cleveland. That's it. They're tired
of looking for a quarterback and they had this is
their only way to get a quarterback. If you think
that's true, you're just feeding into internet rumors. And that's
what Eric Dickerson's doing, and it it creates this vicious
cycle of well, it's because he's it's it's the loud
black guy that they want to keep out of like nobody, Now, well, yes, yes,
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you want to keep out a guy who has a
gigantic ego. When you're supposed to walk in humble pie
and make people believe in you, you gotta believe in yourself.
But having a videographer, having listening to your own own
song on a you know, on a portable speaker, walking in,
not carrying your own bag, like lo, Bro, you're a
fifth round pick. Take it easy, carry somebody else's bag,
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humble pie. But again, like I understand, we all understand
the position. And again I love people that want to
make it about race, Like, hey, cam Ward's number one pick.
He's black, right, And there's the famous video with cam
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Ward and him working out and he's talking about all
these other things, and cam Ward's like, I do football, right,
I do football. So I'm not one percent about a
lot of things. I'm not, you know, not one a
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lot of them. Ninety seven to ninety nine percent. I'm
sure the sun rise in the east and sets in
the west, and that there is no collusion to keep
store Sanders out of the NFL. Schadoor Sanders dug Shadoor
Sanders own proverbial draft day grave a grave. He and
his dad wanted to determine where they were going, and
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so they they they acted like the worst possible first
state ever. We're not engaged, not paying attention, answering their
phone during an interview, Like what I have been told again,
you want to go buy sources that what we've heard
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about the interviews is probably seventy five percent as bad
as the one hundred percent that it actually was. And
what happens in those interviews is everyone knows somebody like
we talked to in coaching, we talked to everybody, Like
I text with our rivals head coach on a day.
That's Bart Lundy at Milwaukee, Like like we openly they'll
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take shots at us, will take shots, but like, look
but still we're in the same business and we're in
the same league, we're in the same state. Ever be
in the NFL talks, it's not collusion. If you go,
how is Shador You're not gonna believe this, But he
answered the phone in the middle of an interview, you're
not gonna believe this, but he completely blew off Brian
Dable at the whiteboard. You're not gonna believe this. But yeah,
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that spreads. That's not collusion, that's sharing information. And they're
all like, I just I want nothing to do with that,
but that's not what Eric Dickerson said. What Eric Dickerson said, okay,
and we have it on tape is hey, I heard
somebody that somebody from the NFL called and say, do
not draft this guy. We want to make a point
of it. That is collusion. And again I don't think
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I know that no one is that stupid. It's just
like people who say NBA games are fixed, because all
it takes is one person to send out one text,
you know, or to screenshot one thing, and the entire
NBA loses all of the ability to have gambling on
the NBA, which is a billion dollar industry. The NFL
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is on fire. Jason points it out every week. Okay,
he calls it the zarupa effect, right where the NFL
knows they're putting out a bad product and yet people
watch anyway. I don't think they know they're watching a
bad product. I do think they know it's not as
good as it could be. But whatever, the point is
that it doesn't matter a good game, bad game. People watch,
people bet and they make tons of money. Right, do
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you think they care that much about Shador Sanders that
they think him in the NFL hurts their product now
or so much so that they would tell you not
to try. Like again, think of the logic behind and
it's the same logic I used with Eric b Enemy right,
because what you would get from people who were the
conspiracy theorists or they wanted to bring racial politics into
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it was he wasn't getting the job because he's black. Like,
they don't care if you're white or black. They just
want to win football games. It it's a professional organization.
They clearly don't care about Deshaun Watson his off the
field stuff, Otherwise they wouldn't have given him a five
year guaranteed contract that we had ever seen. Bef. They
don't care about your race. They don't care about your
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sexual orientation. They really don't. They just care are we
going to win football games? Not one point and we're not. Goodbye, goodbye.
That's my feeling on it.
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and they had this exchange about Jim Harbaugh and the
Michigan cheating scandal. There was a quote I saw that
you said that, you know, maybe Harbaugh should be suspended
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So clarify that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Where are you right now on Michigan Harborne?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What transpired?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, friends sent me that quote. I never said that.
That was a typical media guy saying that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I on the podcast, we talked about the penalty and
I brought up I said, do you realize that when
Jim Tressel was fired from Ohio State, he was suspended
I want to say six games. He went on to
be suspended by the Indianapolis Colts. Now, did I say
that Jim, No, of course not. I didn't say that,
and I actually even said that, you know, I don't
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think it will. But I threw that out there because
that's a fact. And it was made clear throughout the
that the NFL wanted to at least respect the decisions
made by the NCAA. So no, I neft answer your question.
I never said that, But that's typical someone's going to
put something in the headline here Callen and I are
talking about that was never said.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I actually you know when I I tried to scour
of the internet for it, Jase, dude, did you see
a quote where he actually said that? Because I did not.
I saw the headline. I did not see the actual quote.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Byer and Monsey talked about it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yosha, Dan you were talking about he mentioned something about
an elephant in the room.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Yes, which is the point that he was saying. Was
because I think that there's this the background on this
and why Doug, you and I have gone back and
forth and on the whole Michigan thing is there are
Ohio State fans like myself that feel that the tattoo
Gate scandal that Costume Trussell his job is not as
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far in the rear view mirror as it is for
every other fan base. And so I think that still
sticks out that there was severe punishments that were handed down,
and I think that Urban on the Triple Option podcast
was kind of speaking as the former head coach at
Ohio State course was And then when he came out
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with Colin. I think he was being Urban Meyer, former
head coach, maybe Fox Big Noon kickoff analyst. Yes, and
so that's where I think that. And I think Urban
did shit because he did use the phrases just mentioned.
The elephant in the room is the Jim Tressel suspension.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, this is the elephant in the room comment from
that podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
There's an elephant in the room here, boys, though, that
no one's talking about. When Jim Trussell was fired at
Ohio State and he was given a suspension, Roger Goodell,
commissioner of the National Football League, came out and said
that we're going to honor that violate. They're going to
honor that suspension. And you remember he went to Indianapolis
Colts to work in the replay room or something. The
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Colts because the respect they had for the NCAA and
the suspension. Do you realize suspended Jim Trussel so he
was unable to perform his duties for the first six
games of the year for the Indianapolis Colts. I think
we all know the answer. Yeah, any chance Roger Goodell
and the NFL, of course not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, there's a bunch of things to it. Okay, you
want the elephant in the room. God, you Ohio State
people are annoying, You're obnoxious. It just stated Ohio State
was cheating their brains out. Okay, they were using the
gold pants thing. And then there was others. You know
what was the quarterback who he played some tight end
the NFL. I'm forgetting Dan the kid from West Virginia.
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He was a basketball player too, and you know he
got a brand new car. Like, what are we doing?
We're really going to do this. Jim Trustle was director. Yes,
Jim trust was directly involved in buying players. Okay, that's
what it was, and in covering stuff up. This is
Jim Harbaugh and a and stealing signs. It's not the
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same thing. Stop it. It's so disingenuous. And what this
is is this is how obnoxious to the rest of
US college football rivalries are. It just is It's like, dude, really,
we're going to go back to Jim Trestle, that's what
we're gonna do. You just won a national championship. You know, like,
what what what are we what are we actually doing here?
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And again it's like Imargo, like Jim Trussell was don't know.
He wasn't stop it. Do you want to go back
and you want to relitigate, feel free, you'll find out
Ohio State was cheating their brains out. My dad was
Ohio State a love. Everybody knew it. Okay, what comes
out as a fraction of what really happened, but it
was it was revealed in there. There was a lot
more going on, and Trussell was directly involved. Whereas this
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is Jim Harbaugh and it's a football thing.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, he was completely innocent. He was cleared of all this. Yeah,
you didn't have a role in this at all, Doug.
He didn't try to stop the investigation. He totally cooperated
and was no, you're but but.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Again it you want to really compare sins, You want
to compare sins for stealing signs and buying players. Okay, fine,
do that, do that. But nobody, nobody actually.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Real the n C double A because because there's no
value in it.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because they learn. Listen, here's what here's why they.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Learned what they learn information that here's because the couldn't
beat Ohio State. So here's what the whole thing, Doug,
this is this is the Then you do the what
about is?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
This is is what about it?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
It's always cheating. They were always cheating. You're just like
all of the other ones. Just move on from this,
you know why, because Jim Harbaugh gives us a good
funny sound bite every now and then. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
No, here's the thing stealing signs when it was a
year before the actual season. There's been like let's suspend, then,
let's suspend again, then let's suspend again. Oh my gosh, hey,
you know what they And here's the other thing again,
here's here's urban Meyer being disingenuous. Yes, Tressell ended up
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losing his job. There's other reasons why he lost his
job other than just paying players in the golden pants
that they sold off. Hey, that's that's only a fraction
of it. But Harbaugh has he'd already been punished. This
is like double triple quadruple jeopardy, Like, what.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
How is he already punished?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He was suspended when he was three games from the
Big ten? Yeah that was all that? Is that a punishment? Y? Yes?
Is that a punishment? Yeah? It's yes? Okay, three there
you go, there, there you go. And he's got a
show cause.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Right, which he was never going to come back to
college football again. That's what That's what Urban is getting
at is so Jim Harbaugh is gonna leave basically Scott
free in all of this without any punishment because he's
not going to be coaching in college football. In twenty
thirty eight, Jim Tressel lost his job and never any
can't Then he.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Was then he was like, then he get pressed in Youngstown.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Now he's now he's fine. He's the lieutenant governor of
Ohio and so he's come out finding all of this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Of course, of course, I just like, what do we.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I think I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I feel like we're really relitigating. And then you go like,
well that's what about is No, this is all Ohio
State's doing. Hey, what about here's why Michigan didn't cooperate. Okay,
I'll just use my own monitor ocal mistake. Mike Boyden
gets the job and like a couple of months in,
one of his assistant coaches got got caught skimming off
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the top on on trying to recruit a player. They
cooperated and still got extra punishment. And so everyone has
learned there's no value in cooperating with an NCAA investigation.
They don't take it easy on you. If you do,
they just don't. If anything, you can use Ohio State
as that. I'm sure Ohio State probably cooperated, still got
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hammered by it. So yeah, there's your The what about is?
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
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who's the co host of the Solid Verbal podcast, the
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Speaker 5 (24:14):
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Speaker 2 (24:34):
Here.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
This is such an interesting year, right, Like we've had
nil before, we've had payers players essentially get paid, but
now this is like a full true cycle where uh,
dudes are getting paid. You have the rev share, you
still have massive transfer transfer numbers. Uh, what what to you?
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Is the biggest storyline of the season heading in, the.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Biggest storyline for me heading in is there's a lot
new kind of the dovetail with what you were just saying,
there's a lot new. There are some programs that have
like over eighty new players this year. How are we
supposed to predict any of this when so much is
new And it's not just like the big number at
the very top of the conversation, it's there's also a
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bunch of new quarterbacks across college football. So you've got
a really interesting mix of guys who have been there before,
veteran names that we know and love and are getting
paid like in some cases millions of dollars. But in
other cases you've got an interesting transfer or in the
case of Notre Dame, a recruit who has been there
a while just sort of waiting for his opportunity to
step into the limelight. So I think quarterback plays where
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I go first. If I'm looking at the twenty twenty
five season, I think it's going to be just a
really interesting mix of guys that might hit, might not hit,
and like, just that variability across the board is going
to make things pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Okay, So let's get to quarterbacks, because all the big
ones and some of the smaller ones has some interesting ones.
Let's start with Texas Manning on the back of the jersey.
His name is arch right, there's a ton of hype
only he's started three games. What are your expectations for Archpanding.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
My expectations for arch Manning is that, as we saw
a little bit last season, he's definitely more mobile than
his predecessor, Quinnewers, and I think they're going to use that,
especially in some of the situations that Texas found itself
in a lot last season. Down in the red zone
when they're trying to get the hard yards. They couldn't
put Quinn on the move because that just really wasn't
Quinn's game. But arch can do that. So I think
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we're going to see a lot more of that this season,
and that makes Texas better and more dynamic on offense.
Where I'm a little bit concerned is they're rebuilding their
entire offensive line. So what kind of protection is arch
Manning going to get in a very very difficult sec
where everybody's defensive line is loaded. That ground game going
to look like around arch Manning to give him a
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little bit more support, so it's not all on his shoulder.
And furthermore, like bigger picture with respect to Texas, it's
not the easiest schedule in the SEC. They've got some
tough road spots on that schedule. What is arch Manning
going to do when he's on the road in a
big spot. A lot remains to be seen. He's got
the pedigree. I think we expect that there's going to
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be a base level of pretty good competency there. But
I am stopping short of penciling him in as like
a Heisman front runner as many have, just because there's
a lot new on that Texas side that we at
least need to mention if we're being honest about the
Longhorns this year.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay, Alabama, they have Ty Simpson program. Guy strikes me
as there's a little bit of brock perty there where
Alabama didn't go out and lay out a ton of
money to get a Shore fire starter. Here's a guy
who's been in the program and you know they have
all the talent around him. How do you think that
plays out?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I really like Alabama. I really like Ty Simpson, and
I really like the setup that he steps into now
with Kaylin de Boorr being reunited with his longtime deputy,
former offensive coordinator who is now back, They've gotten the
band back together. Ryan Grubb so that combo at the
top with the coaching staff is a pretty good start.
(28:19):
Ty Simpson I think fits the Alabama the Kaylin de
Boor system better than Jalen Milroe last season. He's clearly
not as mobile. You can't say anybody's as mobile as
Jalen Milroe, but he won't be as mistake prone as
I think Milroe was. He's definitely mobile enough where he
can move around the pocket. He's had some big runs
over the course of his career, just in very limited action,
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and I think he gives them a little bit more
consistency with intermediate throws, working the ball down the field vertically.
So in terms of good situations, this is a pretty
good one for Ty Simpson to step into. And if
it doesn't work for Ty Simpson, they've got Austin Mack,
who they like came with Kayln de Boor from Washinghington.
They've also got Kelon Russell, who comes in one of
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the highest rated quarterbacks this most recent recruiting cycle. So
it's a smart coaching staff. It's a really good supporting
cast that brings back more this season than we're used
to from any Alabama team I can remember in recent memory.
And so if it doesn't work with Simpson, it's gonna
work with one of the other guys. I think Alabama
is going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, let's go to Oklahoma. You know, Oklahoma had had
the savior last year, an Arnold, and he lasted three games.
Now you're bringing a proven commodity and his offensive coordinator
from Washington State. But it's a as we see with
people trolling his Venmo account, it's a completely different world
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when you get to the SEC. How does how does
how does that work?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I heard your spot talking about Jeometier and the Venmo
and it's it's a wild world, man. It's just you
step into the SEC and uh, you know, the gloves
come up.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I like Jomettier. I like Ben Arbuckle. I like the
fact that at brand Vannibles is bringing them down as
a tandem. I think that's a good situation.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
But only hesitation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I guess there's two of them on the Matier front.
The first is played basically a Mountain West schedule last season. Like,
let's just call it what it is. It was a
Mountain West schedule last year for Washington State. He is
really good, But what does it look like. Now, does
that game translate to the SEC with just a murderer's
row of the schedule for Oklahoma this year. I don't
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know the answer to that. I don't know if anybody does.
We're just sort of assuming that he's going to click
and that he's better than what they had, But I
don't know if anybody can necessarily say that for certain.
The second thing that I'm really curious about John Mattier
is a crazy good runner of the football. I mean,
he is electric when he's got the ball in his hands,
and when he's running. As a passer, there's a lot
of inconsistency. There's a lot of inconsistency there that I
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think he's got some rough edges to his passing game.
He's going to need to shore that up again against
a really, really difficult schedule. Now again, he would have
been the leading rusher if you just look at his
numbers from you, he would have been the leading rusher
on Oklahoma all last season. Oklahoma had no ground game whatsoever.
They went out, they hit the portal hard. They're trying
to make things. I think Brent Vannables understood the assignment
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this offseason. They needed to get better in a hurry,
in a bunch of different places. But Tier gives them that.
But I am not ready to fully commit to the
fact that this is just going to be the second
coming of Baker Mayfield that some have professed, because you
need to see him against better competition. You need to
see if he can improve as a passer.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Then you have Penn State, where everybody loves Drew Aller
but like again, and twenty four touchdowns is great. It's
it's not otherworldly, but really really good. But you have
James Franklin who doesn't beat the top ten teams. Right,
that's the narrative, and it's a fair narrative because we
have enough, we have a big enough sample size. They
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play Oregon at home, they go to Ohio State, Nebraska
at home, and then potentially a Big Ten championship game.
Is this the year that Penn State finally wins those
big ones?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I think they'll win one of the big ones. So
I'm a Penn State grad and I've been hearing this
all off season, and it's a really interesting conversation when
you start layering on top of everything this playoff pipe,
this National championship pipe, with what I think the undercurrent
has been for the last couple of seasons, which is
exactly what you mentioned. Can they win the big one?
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I think they can beat an Oregon at home. That's
a white out game at night. That's pretty advantageous. Oregon's
got a lot new including a quarterback. More to the
point than I made earlier, that's a setup for them
that I like. On the road against Ohio State. By
that point in the year, it's later on, it's going
to be a much more veteran Ohio State team than
it is right now. I'm not sure they win that game, Doug.
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They've had a real hard time against Ohio State. They've
been close, but again, getting over that hump I think
is job won for Penn State this season. So I
think they beat Oregon. I think they lose to Ohio State.
I think there's a good opportunity for them to get
revenge over Ohio State in a potential Big Ten championship game.
But we got to go one step at a time
here in the Penn State universe. Got to get one
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of these monkeys off their back. Beat Oregon, beat Ohio State,
beat one of those two teams to at least give
us a proof of concept that you can win a
game of that magnitude before we start talking up big
ten titles, before we start talking up national championships. I
like Drew Aller. They've got so much back. It's hard
not to like this team. Full disclosure, I've got him
as my national champ. Maybe there's a little bit of
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homersm there because I graduated from there, but alas, it's
hard to look at this team and feel differently. There's
a lot back. If ever there were a year for Franklin,
this would be it. So we'll see. I don't know.
All I can say is we'll see, and I'll give
you a shrug.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Speak speaking of a lot back you got. Clemson played
in the playoff last year, open up with LSU, and
they've been the anti portal. They've been the team retention
right that, that's been their narrative. Does it work this year?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I think so. I mean third year for Nick in
the offense. We saw him take big strides last season.
This is a team I believe that leads the nation
in returning production. They've got a schedule that features some
interesting bookends, right with the LSU game that you mentioned,
and they close out against South Carolina. But you'd be
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hard pressed to find many teams in the schedule that
you don't look at, at least at first blush and say, oh, yeah,
that team's better than Clemson. That's just not the case.
Clemson's going to be better than most of the teams
that they play this year. They've got so much back.
I've got him as my preseason number one. I've got
him playing for the national championship. I think really highly
of this team. I think the counterpoint with Clemson is, well,
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look at what they did last year. There was a
lot of inconsistency. There's still a lot that they need
to clean up. But to the point Dablo's got guys
in the system now that have been there a while.
We started to see his wide receiver corp grow up
a little bit last season. They had been lacking that
element of their game. They brought in a big time
running back via the heighth school ranks. I think all
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of the ingredients are there for Clemson, provided they can
get a little bit more consistent and clean up some
of what woe done last year. I feel pretty good
about the Tigers and their chances in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Ty Hilderbritch, our guest, you's co host of Solid Verbal.
By the way, when you guys came up with solid verbal,
was that when solid verbal commitment's actually meant something.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It was, Yeah, we've got a bunch of emails about that, like, hey,
you guys gonna like change the name now, I mean,
we're we've been doing this sin so eight. We're many
years into it, probably too many at this point to
change the name. But yeah, it doesn't mean as much
as it used to, does it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, No, honestly, now you can sign the national letter
in tenant doesn't seem to rebinding. It's it's crazy, It's crazy.
How's Bill Belichick do your one in college football?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That's like the big question, right if you're not talking
about Arch Manning, you're talking about Bill Belichick. A lot
new at you and see, including a quarterback coaching staff.
I mean, you name it new narratives too. With some
of what we heard in the offseason, it's I don't
know if u nc's fully prepared for what it got
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so far out of Bill Belichick. But look, I mean
I think you expect base level competence on defense. I
think you expect base level competence when it comes to
the operational stuff sometimes the boring, process driven stuff that
we know he was really good at with New England.
I think he will find ways to at least get
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them running more efficiently, get them on schedule, on time. Fundamentally,
they will be much sounder than I think they've been recently.
So as a starting point in the ACC, which is
always wide open, that feels like a pretty good place
to be. Beyond that, though, like I don't mean to punt,
but there again, this is another situation where there is
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so much new with this school and with this roster
that to expect it all to come together right away
is probably a bridge too far. I think they'll be
improved on defense. They haven't played defense in three years,
so he's going to make them better on that front
and that's going to go a long way, and that's
I think going to keep them at least somewhat in
the conversation in the ACC. The other thing i'd add
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about your one for Bill Belichick, it's a really advantageous schedule. Like,
if you're in the ACC, you kind of want that
UNC schedule right now. So it's going to be set
up well for him. He's got a tough opening act
against TCU on the Monday night. It's on Labor Day,
so he'll have kind of the attention of the college
football watching world on him to see what he can do.
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I expect they'll be better. I expect they'll be fundamentally sound,
and I think as a product of their schedule, it
will probably open some eyes. But I would stop short
of saying like eight wins, like seven eight wins that
nothing more than that in my book.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He's Ty Eilibrant, the co host of Solid Verbal. It's
an iHeartMedia podcast. You should download it, rate it, review it,
put it in your queue, and listen to it. And
we'll just beg them every week to come on and
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this weekend, Week zero. Still super weird, but whatever. It's back. Ty,
thanks so much for join us.
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Doug Gotlieb Show and subscribe. I read this. Ben Bolan's
a good friend of ours. He joins us on a
weekly basis. During the NFL season, he did an interview
with the Boston Globe. Excuse me, interview with Bill Belichick.
Did an interview with Ben Volan of the Boston Globe.
And you know Belichick's now coaching college football. He's saying
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the praises of college football, but he did so well.
Take a listen or yeah, listen to this quote. There's
no owner, there's no owner's son, there's no salary cap,
everything that goes with the marketing and everything else, which
I'm all for that, but it's way less of what
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it was at that level. Generic teams, you have the owner,
the president of the general manager, the personnel director, the
college director, the pro director, the cap guy, some other
consultant than a head coach. I'd say, when we had
our best years in New England, we had fewer people
and more direct vision, and as that expanded, it became
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harder to be successful. Was that a shot at the Patriots?
You're damn right it was, But it's also a shot
at how business is done. It's no different than the
Johnny Manzel being drafted by Cleveland where reportedly they didn't
want to draft him and the owner came in draft
day and said take him, or potentially what happened with
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Cleveland this year where they didn't want to take they
didn't want to take Shador and the owner's like, what
are we doing? Go take Shador? Owners own? That's the
expression owner's own. Hey, I put it the money. That's
my money, that's my family, that's my name, that's my business.
You're great, you're the head coach. I love you. But
we're gonna do what I want to do. So I
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is Bill Belichick spitting truth? Of course? Is he taking
a shot at the Patriots. Yes, he wouldn't have said
no owner, no owner's son, because they're both involved. But
then he went on to say, like any team, they're
all like this. They're all like this. And this is
why college football is a coach's game, because you get
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your own fiefdom. And this is why college football coaches
struggled so much to get to the end when they
get to the NFL. In college, it's all about them
and the pros. It's not really about them. If you win,
it's about the quarterback and the owner. In a little
bit of the coach, Mark Dominic joins us. He spent
over forty years and it's forty. Sorry, Mark, my bad,
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I just aged you. Spent over twenty years in NFL
front offices and scouting. He's a former gentlemanager of the
Tampay Buccaneers. He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, obviously he worked to tell with
the Tampay Buccaneers. How is it simply would a coach
make a decision on his own with the Bucks when
you were there?
Speaker 6 (42:03):
No, No, it didn't work out that way. You know.
It was always kind of a joint combination of conversations, right,
I mean, that was the goal. It was like, let's
let's just kind of all figured out together, and let's
work together to come up with the best solution we
can for each situation. So no, we never kind of
gotten that kind of situation whatsoever. And that was including
all the years I was there, whether it was Sam Which,
Tony Dungee, John Gruden, Rahie Morris, Craig Ciano. You know, no,
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no coach walked in was like this is how it's
going to be, but certainly had influence in terms of
what we're thinking about.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, I got a bunch of things. Help me explain this.
Jay Stuo has a sort of a theory here on
the Micah Parsons thing. It's like he knows the Michael
Parsons thing is going to get done, but he wants
to It's like he wants to wait until this docuseries
plays out and it's all kind of the you know,
making people watch this docuseries and think, well, the Cowboys
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it's a little bit of a fluff thing, right. The
Cowboys are awesome, they were made and then they kind
of own the media for the preseason. Is that possibly accurate? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (43:09):
I still think the deal gets done. I mean, what
the reports today that they're wanting you know, four, three,
four or five first round picks to get Micah Parsons
off the team. I mean, I just think that the
negotiations went really bad and very frustrating. And when you
negotiate with the player directly in your ownership, that is
pretty taboo. And you know, whatever said and understood, there's
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a reason why an agent has a fee and he's
trying to negotiate the best interest of the player. So
I think this got convoluted for a little bit. I
think that they're just trying to make Micah kind of
sweat a little bit more. But I still think this
deal gets done for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Did you think that the Colts would make Andrew Anthony
Richson lose the job instead of what they did, which
they gave it to Danny Dimes.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Well, I just think that, you know, it's a unique thing.
I mean, let's Chris Ballard's been in a very unique
spot and not many general managers in the history of
the game have ever been kind of where he's been
in the general manager world. You go back to when
he was in his rookie year as a gym. You know,
it was Jacoby Brissett, second year, Andrew Luck third year,
Jacoby Brissett, fourth year, Rivers fifth wins, sixth, Matt Ryan
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seventh mentioned, now Anthony Richardson, and now suddenly you know
Daniel Jones. I mean, that's that's it's nine years, nine
different starting quarterbacks for the season. That's I don't think
I've ever heard of that, except you know that that's
just what's happened. And I think what's happened with Anthony
Richardson is he's played himself out of the position and
they felt, like, you know, everybody understands how important the
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season is for the Colts, and I think they felt
like Daniel Jones to give him a better chance and
more consistency.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want to play for you something that Eric Dickerson
said it was in relations to Shador Sanders and where
he was drafted. This is Eric Dickerson, the Hall of
Famer on a M five seven, Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
And I'll tell you as much of what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it told other than don't draft him,
do not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna
make an example out of him. And this came from
a very good source, a very good source, and he
said that, I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland
Browns and said, don't do that. Draft really, yep, draft him,
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don't don't. Don't do that because they weren't drafted either.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
They weren't drafted, but but they they did. I put
it at zero percent chance that the NFL colluded to
not draft Shad or Sanders. What percentage chance would you
put it at?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Yeah, if I put it at zero percent chance as well,
And I'm still pretty good about that. Look, you can't,
no one does that. I understand.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I've met Eric Dickerson. I think he's amazing, but I
think he's wrong. I just there's just no way that
you're gonna put yourself in that kind of situation. The
league cannot collude like that, or would they want to
clubs want the show, right, they didn't want everything else
that came along with him is what they were concerned about.
So that, yeah, was he a second round third round town?
I still think he was. But I think what club
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said is like, do we really want the circus to
come to town? And you know, I think the sder
has done a pretty good job and his dad has
done a pretty good job of trying not to make
it as bad as it's been or that people predicted
it could be. But at the same point, you know,
I mean, don't believe that. I think one hundred percent
that you know, Cleveland made the decision to go trade
back up and they'll get him. That's their own call.
But no one sat around and said, he's just don't
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draft your door standard. I think everybody started once the
ball started dropping. Sometimes people got a little nervous. Maybe
other people are like, well, if no one's drafted and
we're not gonna draft him. Not that they colluded or
told each other that. I think that's not true at all.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah. I'm also you know, the the interviews were such
a disaster. I mean, you know how it worked because
you've been in those those those that you call other people.
Do you guys, do you guys have Yeah, he was
it was rough. It was rough. People talk, They talk,
but they don't alude. Like the NFL doesn't collude. You
don't run the risk of a billion dollar lawsuit because
of because of a second day, second or third day quarterback.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
That is correct. There's no way that you're gonna put
yourself in that kind of situation and hopefully should do her,
which I think he will will end up having a
chance to play and start for the Cleveland Browns this year.
I think it will happen, but I gotta wait and
see you.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
Dominic's our guest, warm general manager Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I
I'm trying to figure out what the Lions are going
to look like. I'm trying to not get caught in
the circles of conversation of teams that aren't or haven't
been good Cowboys as the example, Lions have been really good,
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but they lost a lot some personnel and the coordinators.
What's your best guess on their year?
Speaker 6 (47:43):
I still think Detroit. I think Green Bay is really
closed it. I think it's gonna be very close between
those two teams. I lean a little bit more towards
the Packers, but I think the Lions are right up
there still. I mean, I think the big thing for
the Lions is, yes, the coordinators are you know, that
hurts a little bit certainly, But the players. You know,
as as an old Scott used to say, you know,
it's hard to find. You can find, you know, a
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good coach, that's hard to find an elite player or
vice versa. Right, it's a lot harder to find the
player than it is really the coach. And I know
that sounds terrible. Same for the GM. Right, you draft
the right guy, Tom Brady and suddenly you're a great GM.
You draft the wrong one and you're not. It's just
that simple. But it's about the players. And the Detroit
still has a lot of great players because Brad Holme
has done such a good job the GM, the Detroit
Lions has done a great job of building that roster.
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So I think they're both neck and neck at probably
is one game apart, but they're both playoff teams and
I think they both could represent the NFC in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Where are you on Matt Stafford. Right, he's missed so
much time with the back. Now he's back, but you
know there's i mean, Garoppolo behind him, who's not even
where he was when he took the Niners to the
Super Bowl. What are your thoughts on what we should
expect from Matt Stafford this year?
Speaker 6 (48:51):
But I still feel like, you know, he's gonna slowly
work himself. We've got a lot of time still, We've
got a few weeks before he's got to be on
the football field. So in that way, I feel good
about where he's hits and that I think he'll be
the starter. You know, can they massage him through the season,
I believe so. Could Matt Stafford miss a game or two, sure,
But I feel like they've kind of slow played this
the whole way on purpose to make sure that they
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get Matt Stafford to the starting line, and we as
the media, like to kind of build the frenzy around it.
But I think he'll be fine, and you know, can
he stay fine? Sure? I mean I think again, you're
going to manage his practice, You're going to manage, you know,
how how much he gets out there. But I think
that they knew all along he's gonna be ready for
week one, and I think they've enjoyed the game. But
I think I think Matt Stafford's going to be fine
week one.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
How far away is Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
Well, I still don't think they want to start in
week one. I mean, I think that they're very happy
with them. But I think what they're going to want
to do is play the but the fans cheer for him,
assuming that you know, Tommy doesn't continue to go out
and throw you know, three or four touchdown. Now it's
Jackson Dart's team for the future. But I think what
they want to do is, like, let's Jamis go out
there a couple of games.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
If he's get Russell Wilson to Russell's.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
Excuse Russell Wilson as but you got Russell Wilson. Let
him go out there iopauses and see how he does,
and let him have it's his team and let Jackson
kind of just kind of grow and sit there. And
I think Jackson Darton might be more in the Patrick
Mahomes world this year, where there might be a game
where he gets to play like Patrick did against the
Denver Broncos in his rookie year, and that was it. Basically,
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I think that's going to be more of what we'll seeing.
I think that they'll they'll go with Russell. They obviously
have Jamis, like I said, sorry, and and Jackson's gonna
sit there and just kind of be a fixture, And
if there's opportunity to get him playtime, I think they
will because there's nothing more important than a young guy
actually being on it. There's one thing in the classroom,
as you know, Doug, you know you can go like
a way, here's what I think I would have done
with that ball, and this is what I think until
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you go out in the field, like why do you
make that decision? And they can learn so much faster,
And so I think that's what you're going to see
from Jackson dart Is. I think you're going to see,
let's not push him out there. We don't have to.
We're not you know where Cleveland is where you just
got to throw somebody out there and maybe hopefully it sticks.
I think for the Giants, I think there's excitement and
hope for him, but they don't want to rush it.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
The Bears open up with the Vikings at home. Now
part of me sits there and goes like man, Bears
got to be bummed because a Dome team, you really
want to get them in November and December at Soldier Field.
But you know, both these teams they give us a
look at two talented former first round draft picks from
last year at quarterback. You know, look, the Bears thing
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in Caleb Williams is gonna be really interesting. Early on
in camp, people are like, this doesn't work. Before last
week that the really good, really well played preseason game,
You're like, I don't think it's a great fit. Right,
that's see what you and I discussed Vikings at Lions,
Cowboys at Raiders, bye Week at Commanders, Saints at Ravens
at Bengals. Like it gets real really really quick for
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Caleb Williams. Does it work?
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yeah? It does? And I think that's great. We've got
to put him out there and got to see exactly
what he can do and what this offensive line can
do for and they've done everything it can to say, hey, Caleb,
how good are you? And now it's Caleb turned to
show everybody that he deserves to be the number one pick,
or deserve to be you know, top two picks uh
in the draft. And you know I think the opportunity
is there. I mean, I love that they added Colson
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loves Lovement. I think he's a huge piece with col Cormet,
like having a two tight ends set along with the
ride receivers and the running. I mean, I just love
what they did is the offensive line. So everything's the
table set. There's no excuses, and I think Caleb William
should have to be happy about that. They're giving you
every chance you can to be the star and let's
see if you.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Can do it.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
I'm not sure. I don't really know what I've seen
enough of him. I've been impressed at times where I've like,
those are some really good throws, but it just still
feels like it's not as natural of conversation coming out
of Chicago, like yeah, he's going to be the dude
like we saw with the Commanders, or even kind of
like what we heard in Denver early on with bow
Nick's like hey, this is a lot different than it's
even what we thought of better. I think that's kind
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of the thing that's not been felt by Caleb. It's
more like, yeah, he's coming a long ways kind of
a thing.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Instead, he's Mark Dominic. You'll hear him every week. Former
Tenant Bay Buccaneers gentleman. Sure he spent his entire professional
life in the National Football League, and he gives us
just so much great information. Uh, Marc, have a great weekend.
We're getting closer. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (53:10):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. Doug enjoyed the last
seven preseason games. We'll talk to you next week.
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a great day. It's a football Friday. College football is
here as we're at week zero. You made it, You
made it, You made it. We'll make fun of something
ESPN posted. That's always fun. Mark Dominical join us that's
always entered. Interesting A really interesting hypotheses from Jason Stewart
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on Jerry Jones. I want to share that with you.
Uh I remier backpedaling like a defensive back and was
Bill Belichick kind of privately raking the crafts. We got
a bunch to get to, but I want to start
with someone who Jay stew you worked with somebody who
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I like, and we grew up watching play as one
of the greatest football players we've ever seen play. But
he did the thing that I just I find to
be not good, bizarre and sort of a credibility killer.
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On the other hand, it is feeding the masses the
sugar that they so desire, even if it's bad for you,
even if it's bad for you. And like I remember
when when the president got elected his his first term,
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and and I had I have several friends, black friends,
mixed race friends, and especially friends from their foreign friends,
and there was you know, between some of the travel
band and some of the narratives, there was the thought
of for me, I did not know there was a
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level of xenophobia and racism that was being promoted. On
the other hand, some of it I had to take
a step back and go, Okay, how much of this
is real? How much of this is And when I
say media created, it's the media is drawn to the
fringes left and right right. But I'm just somebody. And Jason,
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I think you can I don't know if you're can
attest to this or not. When you grew up in California,
it's so weird to hear people talk like racial politics.
And I know that California there's become a level of
racial politics. But again, you grew up and look you
grew up in a part of Orange County which was
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mostly white, but it wasn't super rich. It was lower
middle income, and there were Hispanics as well. I grew
up in a very diverse part of Orange, California. Obviously,
playing basketball, y're surrounded by people of color. So when
I heard about, you know, like people saying there's still
all this racism, I was like, really, And then we
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read about it, you watch on the news, You're like, well,
maybe there is. But then you settle back down to
the Hey, sports is a place where racism. We've generally
evolved out of it. Yes, we still use stereotypes fair, unfair,
mostly unfair, but we still use stereotypes. We do. But
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the idea that and we've talked about this before with
Eric b Enemy, that because he was a black man,
he could get a head coaching job. When I've walked
you through many times over the feedback I've gotten from
people who have interviewed him but not hired him as
a head coach. Now it's not even part of the conversation.
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I remember. You go back, not this past year, the
five previous years probably, and Eric the Enemy was discussed
of you gotta hire this guy. He not anywhere close
to being disgusted. It's crazy like he's slightly ahead of
where Colin Kaepernick is to be a starting quarterback, where
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he is to be a head coach in the NFL slightly.
So that brings me to Eric Dickerson, Hall of Fame
running back, two thousand yard season. And Eric, he's never
been shy to say what he thinks. That's why his
nickname with the Rams was the first four letters of
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his last name, right, So this was Eric Dickerson, remember,
super opinionated Hall of Fame former Ram and Colton on
Rogan and Rodney on our am affiliate.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I'll tell you as much here what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it, told other don't draft him, do
not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna make
an example out of him. And this came from a
very good source, a very good source. And he said
that I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns
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and said, don't do that. Really, yep, draft him, don't don't.
Don't do that because they weren't go drafted either. They
weren't gonna drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Only they did right, Only they did Okay, I'm not
denying that Eric Dickerson knows NFL people. I'm not denying
that people haven't talked a lot about Shador Sanders and
where he was drafted. But the NFL has been accused
of or even sued for collusion several times over the
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past five years. Do we rea really think that thirty
two teams who want to win football games, if they
thought Shador Sanders was good enough. Do you really think
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that Roger Goodell or somebody of power would have picked
up the phone and say, don't draft him and risk
not millions billions of dollars if that story was true
and got out right. Because that's an easy one. You know,
it's not truly a free market, but there's still free
market principles. Things you can't do. You can't call teams
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in your league and say, do not draft this player
because we want to make an example out of him
when he's committed no real crime other than being an arrogant,
entitled Ridge Kidd who flaunted his wealth while playing college
football and disengaged in interviews with teams he didn't want
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to go to, and did so in a fashion that
was hard to take for most teams in the league,
Like I'm not sure about a lot of things. A
scientific factor is only ninety seven percent. This screws people
up that don't know science. Like one of the things
science does is they leave room for the outliers and
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the very small chance, but a scientifically proven fact, it's
like ninety seve percent chance that's right, or even ninety nine.
But with ninety nine, there's that one percent. Right, I
am one hundred percent certain the sunrise in the east
and sets in the west, and that there was no
collusion to keep Shador Sanders out of the league because
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the league was trying to make a point about him.
And what's crazy is and this is where it's really
poison It's really poisoned because this is the type of
internet rumor that we see really in Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, we've we're employing conspiracy theorists to make major
decisions for the current and future of our country, right,
and this is just a conspiracy theory and this is
who we become. And I gotta tell you, like Eric Dickerson,
I would have him on one time for this, and
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that would really it because that's a credibility killer. You
run the risk of being sued by the National Football League,
a multi multi, multi, multi billion dollar industry, because they
don't want to get sued for collusion. So if they
don't okay, if he doesn't retract, he's saying they cocluded
and they said nothing about it. And it's not like
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it's what's the guy who tweets at the show Jay
stew J always talk about is it race car forty seven?
Corvette Corvette Guy twenty seven. It's not Corvette Guy twenty seven.
This is Eric freaking Dickerson. This is two thousand yard season.
This is a Hall of Fame running back who used
to be on Monday Night Football as a broadcaster. And listen,
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I'm telling you that he's wrong. I'm telling you whoever
he talked to is like, well this people are saying
this is this is like a trump ism, right, and
this is honestly what's kind of happened with the president
where he can say whatever and nobody calls them on it,
and if you call them on it, you know, I mean,
he's they're just gonna move on. Doesn't work out way.
You can't say that the NFL colluded to keep Shador
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Sanders out to make a point, and you're like, well,
of course, like, ka, of course they would. Why why
would they? If Shadoor Sanders can win them football games?
Nobody cares. And the easiest example of that is the
actual who should be the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, right,
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Deshaun Watson was accused of sexual assault up to over
forty times, settled many of these settled some of these suits,
and yet the Cleveland Browns offered him a five year,
guaranteed contract, the lights of which we had never seen before.
Not because he's white, he's not. He's black. Not because
he wanted Clemson or he wanted Houston, or because they
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thought he could win in Cleveland. That's it. They're tired
of looking for a quarterback and they had this is
their only way to get a quarterback. If you think
that's true, you're just feeding into internet rumors. And that's
what Eric Dickerson's doing, and it it creates this vicious
cycle of well, it's because he's it's it's the loud
black guy that they want to keep out of like nobody, Now, well, yes, yes,
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you want to keep out a guy who has a
gigantic ego. When you're supposed to walk in humble pie
and make people believe in you, you gotta believe in yourself.
But having a videographer, having listening to your own own
song on a you know, on a portable speaker, walking in,
not carrying your own bag, like lo, Bro, you're a
fifth round pick. Take it easy, carry somebody else's bag,
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humble pie. But again, like I understand, we all understand
the position. And again I love people that want to
make it about race, Like, hey, cam Ward's number one pick.
He's black, right, And there's the famous video with cam
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Ward and him working out and he's talking about all
these other things, and cam Ward's like, I do football, right,
I do football. So I'm not one percent about a
lot of things. I'm not, you know, not one a
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lot of them. Ninety seven to ninety nine percent. I'm
sure the sun rise in the east and sets in
the west, and that there is no collusion to keep
store Sanders out of the NFL. Schadoor Sanders dug Shadoor
Sanders own proverbial draft day grave a grave. He and
his dad wanted to determine where they were going, and
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so they they they acted like the worst possible first
state ever. We're not engaged, not paying attention, answering their
phone during an interview, Like what I have been told again,
you want to go buy sources that what we've heard
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about the interviews is probably seventy five percent as bad
as the one hundred percent that it actually was. And
what happens in those interviews is everyone knows somebody like
we talked to in coaching, we talked to everybody, Like
I text with our rivals head coach on a day.
That's Bart Lundy at Milwaukee, Like like we openly they'll
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take shots at us, will take shots, but like, look
but still we're in the same business and we're in
the same league, we're in the same state. Ever be
in the NFL talks, it's not collusion. If you go,
how is Shador You're not gonna believe this, But he
answered the phone in the middle of an interview, you're
not gonna believe this, but he completely blew off Brian
Dable at the whiteboard. You're not gonna believe this. But yeah,
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that spreads. That's not collusion, that's sharing information. And they're
all like, I just I want nothing to do with that,
but that's not what Eric Dickerson said. What Eric Dickerson said, okay,
and we have it on tape is hey, I heard
somebody that somebody from the NFL called and say, do
not draft this guy. We want to make a point
of it. That is collusion. And again I don't think
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I know that no one is that stupid. It's just
like people who say NBA games are fixed, because all
it takes is one person to send out one text,
you know, or to screenshot one thing, and the entire
NBA loses all of the ability to have gambling on
the NBA, which is a billion dollar industry. The NFL
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is on fire. Jason points it out every week. Okay,
he calls it the zarupa effect, right where the NFL
knows they're putting out a bad product and yet people
watch anyway. I don't think they know they're watching a
bad product. I do think they know it's not as
good as it could be. But whatever, the point is
that it doesn't matter a good game, bad game. People watch,
people bet and they make tons of money. Right, do
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you think they care that much about Shador Sanders that
they think him in the NFL hurts their product now
or so much so that they would tell you not
to try. Like again, think of the logic behind and
it's the same logic I used with Eric b Enemy right,
because what you would get from people who were the
conspiracy theorists or they wanted to bring racial politics into
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it was he wasn't getting the job because he's black. Like,
they don't care if you're white or black. They just
want to win football games. It it's a professional organization.
They clearly don't care about Deshaun Watson his off the
field stuff, Otherwise they wouldn't have given him a five
year guaranteed contract that we had ever seen. Bef. They
don't care about your race. They don't care about your
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sexual orientation. They really don't. They just care are we
going to win football games? Not one point and we're not. Goodbye, goodbye.
That's my feeling on it.
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and they had this exchange about Jim Harbaugh and the
Michigan cheating scandal. There was a quote I saw that
you said that, you know, maybe Harbaugh should be suspended
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So clarify that.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Where are you right now on Michigan Harborne?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What transpired?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, friends sent me that quote. I never said that.
That was a typical media guy saying that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I on the podcast, we talked about the penalty and
I brought up I said, do you realize that when
Jim Tressel was fired from Ohio State, he was suspended
I want to say six games. He went on to
be suspended by the Indianapolis Colts. Now, did I say
that Jim, No, of course not. I didn't say that,
and I actually even said that, you know, I don't
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think it will. But I threw that out there because
that's a fact. And it was made clear throughout the
that the NFL wanted to at least respect the decisions
made by the NCAA. So no, I neft answer your question.
I never said that, But that's typical someone's going to
put something in the headline here Callen and I are
talking about that was never said.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I actually you know when I I tried to scour
of the internet for it, Jase, dude, did you see
a quote where he actually said that? Because I did not.
I saw the headline. I did not see the actual quote.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Byer and Monsey talked about it.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yosha, Dan you were talking about he mentioned something about
an elephant in the room.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Yes, which is the point that he was saying. Was
because I think that there's this the background on this
and why Doug, you and I have gone back and
forth and on the whole Michigan thing is there are
Ohio State fans like myself that feel that the tattoo
Gate scandal that Costume Trussell his job is not as
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far in the rear view mirror as it is for
every other fan base. And so I think that still
sticks out that there was severe punishments that were handed down,
and I think that Urban on the Triple Option podcast
was kind of speaking as the former head coach at
Ohio State course was And then when he came out
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with Colin. I think he was being Urban Meyer, former
head coach, maybe Fox Big Noon kickoff analyst. Yes, and
so that's where I think that. And I think Urban
did shit because he did use the phrases just mentioned.
The elephant in the room is the Jim Tressel suspension.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay, this is the elephant in the room comment from
that podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
There's an elephant in the room here, boys, though, that
no one's talking about. When Jim Trussell was fired at
Ohio State and he was given a suspension, Roger Goodell,
commissioner of the National Football League, came out and said
that we're going to honor that violate. They're going to
honor that suspension. And you remember he went to Indianapolis
Colts to work in the replay room or something. The
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Colts because the respect they had for the NCAA and
the suspension. Do you realize suspended Jim Trussel so he
was unable to perform his duties for the first six
games of the year for the Indianapolis Colts. I think
we all know the answer. Yeah, any chance Roger Goodell
and the NFL, of course not.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, there's a bunch of things to it. Okay, you
want the elephant in the room. God, you Ohio State
people are annoying, You're obnoxious. It just stated Ohio State
was cheating their brains out. Okay, they were using the
gold pants thing. And then there was others. You know
what was the quarterback who he played some tight end
the NFL. I'm forgetting Dan the kid from West Virginia.
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He was a basketball player too, and you know he
got a brand new car. Like, what are we doing?
We're really going to do this. Jim Trustle was director. Yes,
Jim trust was directly involved in buying players. Okay, that's
what it was, and in covering stuff up. This is
Jim Harbaugh and a and stealing signs. It's not the
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same thing. Stop it. It's so disingenuous. And what this
is is this is how obnoxious to the rest of
US college football rivalries are. It just is It's like, dude, really,
we're going to go back to Jim Trestle, that's what
we're gonna do. You just won a national championship. You know, like,
what what what are we what are we actually doing here?
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And again it's like Imargo, like Jim Trussell was don't know.
He wasn't stop it. Do you want to go back
and you want to relitigate, feel free, you'll find out
Ohio State was cheating their brains out. My dad was
Ohio State a love. Everybody knew it. Okay, what comes
out as a fraction of what really happened, but it
was it was revealed in there. There was a lot
more going on, and Trussell was directly involved. Whereas this
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is Jim Harbaugh and it's a football thing.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, he was completely innocent. He was cleared of all this. Yeah,
you didn't have a role in this at all, Doug.
He didn't try to stop the investigation. He totally cooperated
and was no, you're but but.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Again it you want to really compare sins, You want
to compare sins for stealing signs and buying players. Okay, fine,
do that, do that. But nobody, nobody actually.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Real the n C double A because because there's no
value in it.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because they learn. Listen, here's what here's why they.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Learned what they learn information that here's because the couldn't
beat Ohio State. So here's what the whole thing, Doug,
this is this is the Then you do the what
about is?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
This is is what about it?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
It's always cheating. They were always cheating. You're just like
all of the other ones. Just move on from this,
you know why, because Jim Harbaugh gives us a good
funny sound bite every now and then. That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
No, here's the thing stealing signs when it was a
year before the actual season. There's been like let's suspend, then,
let's suspend again, then let's suspend again. Oh my gosh, hey,
you know what they And here's the other thing again,
here's here's urban Meyer being disingenuous. Yes, Tressell ended up
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losing his job. There's other reasons why he lost his
job other than just paying players in the golden pants
that they sold off. Hey, that's that's only a fraction
of it. But Harbaugh has he'd already been punished. This
is like double triple quadruple jeopardy, Like, what.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
How is he already punished?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
He was suspended when he was three games from the
Big ten? Yeah that was all that? Is that a punishment? Y? Yes?
Is that a punishment? Yeah? It's yes? Okay, three there
you go, there, there you go. And he's got a
show cause.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Right, which he was never going to come back to
college football again. That's what That's what Urban is getting
at is so Jim Harbaugh is gonna leave basically Scott
free in all of this without any punishment because he's
not going to be coaching in college football. In twenty
thirty eight, Jim Tressel lost his job and never any
can't Then he.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Was then he was like, then he get pressed in Youngstown.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Now he's now he's fine. He's the lieutenant governor of
Ohio and so he's come out finding all of this.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Of course, of course, I just like, what do we.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I think I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I feel like we're really relitigating. And then you go like,
well that's what about is No, this is all Ohio
State's doing. Hey, what about here's why Michigan didn't cooperate. Okay,
I'll just use my own monitor ocal mistake. Mike Boyden
gets the job and like a couple of months in,
one of his assistant coaches got got caught skimming off
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the top on on trying to recruit a player. They
cooperated and still got extra punishment. And so everyone has
learned there's no value in cooperating with an NCAA investigation.
They don't take it easy on you. If you do,
they just don't. If anything, you can use Ohio State
as that. I'm sure Ohio State probably cooperated, still got
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hammered by it. So yeah, there's your The what about is?
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Speaker 2 (24:34):
Here.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
This is such an interesting year, right, Like we've had
nil before, we've had payers players essentially get paid, but
now this is like a full true cycle where uh,
dudes are getting paid. You have the rev share, you
still have massive transfer transfer numbers. Uh, what what to you?
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Is the biggest storyline of the season heading in, the.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Biggest storyline for me heading in is there's a lot
new kind of the dovetail with what you were just saying,
there's a lot new. There are some programs that have
like over eighty new players this year. How are we
supposed to predict any of this when so much is
new And it's not just like the big number at
the very top of the conversation, it's there's also a
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bunch of new quarterbacks across college football. So you've got
a really interesting mix of guys who have been there before,
veteran names that we know and love and are getting
paid like in some cases millions of dollars. But in
other cases you've got an interesting transfer or in the
case of Notre Dame, a recruit who has been there
a while just sort of waiting for his opportunity to
step into the limelight. So I think quarterback plays where
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I go first. If I'm looking at the twenty twenty
five season, I think it's going to be just a
really interesting mix of guys that might hit, might not hit,
and like, just that variability across the board is going
to make things pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Okay, So let's get to quarterbacks, because all the big
ones and some of the smaller ones has some interesting ones.
Let's start with Texas Manning on the back of the jersey.
His name is arch right, there's a ton of hype
only he's started three games. What are your expectations for Archpanding.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
My expectations for arch Manning is that, as we saw
a little bit last season, he's definitely more mobile than
his predecessor, Quinnewers, and I think they're going to use that,
especially in some of the situations that Texas found itself
in a lot last season. Down in the red zone
when they're trying to get the hard yards. They couldn't
put Quinn on the move because that just really wasn't
Quinn's game. But arch can do that. So I think
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we're going to see a lot more of that this season,
and that makes Texas better and more dynamic on offense.
Where I'm a little bit concerned is they're rebuilding their
entire offensive line. So what kind of protection is arch
Manning going to get in a very very difficult sec
where everybody's defensive line is loaded. That ground game going
to look like around arch Manning to give him a
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little bit more support, so it's not all on his shoulder.
And furthermore, like bigger picture with respect to Texas, it's
not the easiest schedule in the SEC. They've got some
tough road spots on that schedule. What is arch Manning
going to do when he's on the road in a
big spot. A lot remains to be seen. He's got
the pedigree. I think we expect that there's going to
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be a base level of pretty good competency there. But
I am stopping short of penciling him in as like
a Heisman front runner as many have, just because there's
a lot new on that Texas side that we at
least need to mention if we're being honest about the
Longhorns this year.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Okay, Alabama, they have Ty Simpson program. Guy strikes me
as there's a little bit of brock perty there where
Alabama didn't go out and lay out a ton of
money to get a Shore fire starter. Here's a guy
who's been in the program and you know they have
all the talent around him. How do you think that
plays out?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I really like Alabama. I really like Ty Simpson, and
I really like the setup that he steps into now
with Kaylin de Boorr being reunited with his longtime deputy,
former offensive coordinator who is now back, They've gotten the
band back together. Ryan Grubb so that combo at the
top with the coaching staff is a pretty good start.
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Ty Simpson I think fits the Alabama the Kaylin de
Boor system better than Jalen Milroe last season. He's clearly
not as mobile. You can't say anybody's as mobile as
Jalen Milroe, but he won't be as mistake prone as
I think Milroe was. He's definitely mobile enough where he
can move around the pocket. He's had some big runs
over the course of his career, just in very limited action,
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and I think he gives them a little bit more
consistency with intermediate throws, working the ball down the field vertically.
So in terms of good situations, this is a pretty
good one for Ty Simpson to step into. And if
it doesn't work for Ty Simpson, they've got Austin Mack,
who they like came with Kayln de Boor from Washinghington.
They've also got Kelon Russell, who comes in one of
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the highest rated quarterbacks this most recent recruiting cycle. So
it's a smart coaching staff. It's a really good supporting
cast that brings back more this season than we're used
to from any Alabama team I can remember in recent memory.
And so if it doesn't work with Simpson, it's gonna
work with one of the other guys. I think Alabama
is going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, let's go to Oklahoma. You know, Oklahoma had had
the savior last year, an Arnold, and he lasted three games.
Now you're bringing a proven commodity and his offensive coordinator
from Washington State. But it's a as we see with
people trolling his Venmo account, it's a completely different world
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when you get to the SEC. How does how does
how does that work?
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I heard your spot talking about Jeometier and the Venmo
and it's it's a wild world, man. It's just you
step into the SEC and uh, you know, the gloves
come up.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I listen.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I like Jomettier. I like Ben Arbuckle. I like the
fact that at brand Vannibles is bringing them down as
a tandem. I think that's a good situation.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
But only hesitation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I guess there's two of them on the Matier front.
The first is played basically a Mountain West schedule last season. Like,
let's just call it what it is. It was a
Mountain West schedule last year for Washington State. He is
really good, But what does it look like. Now, does
that game translate to the SEC with just a murderer's
row of the schedule for Oklahoma this year. I don't
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know the answer to that. I don't know if anybody does.
We're just sort of assuming that he's going to click
and that he's better than what they had, But I
don't know if anybody can necessarily say that for certain.
The second thing that I'm really curious about John Mattier
is a crazy good runner of the football. I mean,
he is electric when he's got the ball in his hands,
and when he's running. As a passer, there's a lot
of inconsistency. There's a lot of inconsistency there that I
(30:49):
think he's got some rough edges to his passing game.
He's going to need to shore that up again against
a really, really difficult schedule. Now again, he would have
been the leading rusher if you just look at his
numbers from you, he would have been the leading rusher
on Oklahoma all last season. Oklahoma had no ground game whatsoever.
They went out, they hit the portal hard. They're trying
to make things. I think Brent Vannables understood the assignment
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this offseason. They needed to get better in a hurry,
in a bunch of different places. But Tier gives them that.
But I am not ready to fully commit to the
fact that this is just going to be the second
coming of Baker Mayfield that some have professed, because you
need to see him against better competition. You need to
see if he can improve as a passer.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Then you have Penn State, where everybody loves Drew Aller
but like again, and twenty four touchdowns is great. It's
it's not otherworldly, but really really good. But you have
James Franklin who doesn't beat the top ten teams. Right,
that's the narrative, and it's a fair narrative because we
have enough, we have a big enough sample size. They
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play Oregon at home, they go to Ohio State, Nebraska
at home, and then potentially a Big Ten championship game.
Is this the year that Penn State finally wins those
big ones?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I think they'll win one of the big ones. So
I'm a Penn State grad and I've been hearing this
all off season, and it's a really interesting conversation when
you start layering on top of everything this playoff pipe,
this National championship pipe, with what I think the undercurrent
has been for the last couple of seasons, which is
exactly what you mentioned. Can they win the big one?
(32:24):
I think they can beat an Oregon at home. That's
a white out game at night. That's pretty advantageous. Oregon's
got a lot new including a quarterback. More to the
point than I made earlier, that's a setup for them
that I like. On the road against Ohio State. By
that point in the year, it's later on, it's going
to be a much more veteran Ohio State team than
it is right now. I'm not sure they win that game, Doug.
(32:45):
They've had a real hard time against Ohio State. They've
been close, but again, getting over that hump I think
is job won for Penn State this season. So I
think they beat Oregon. I think they lose to Ohio State.
I think there's a good opportunity for them to get
revenge over Ohio State in a potential Big Ten championship game.
But we got to go one step at a time
here in the Penn State universe. Got to get one
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of these monkeys off their back. Beat Oregon, beat Ohio State,
beat one of those two teams to at least give
us a proof of concept that you can win a
game of that magnitude before we start talking up big
ten titles, before we start talking up national championships. I
like Drew Aller. They've got so much back. It's hard
not to like this team. Full disclosure, I've got him
as my national champ. Maybe there's a little bit of
(33:27):
homersm there because I graduated from there, but alas, it's
hard to look at this team and feel differently. There's
a lot back. If ever there were a year for Franklin,
this would be it. So we'll see. I don't know.
All I can say is we'll see, and I'll give
you a shrug.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Speak speaking of a lot back you got. Clemson played
in the playoff last year, open up with LSU, and
they've been the anti portal. They've been the team retention
right that, that's been their narrative. Does it work this year?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I think so. I mean third year for Nick in
the offense. We saw him take big strides last season.
This is a team I believe that leads the nation
in returning production. They've got a schedule that features some
interesting bookends, right with the LSU game that you mentioned,
and they close out against South Carolina. But you'd be
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hard pressed to find many teams in the schedule that
you don't look at, at least at first blush and say, oh, yeah,
that team's better than Clemson. That's just not the case.
Clemson's going to be better than most of the teams
that they play this year. They've got so much back.
I've got him as my preseason number one. I've got
him playing for the national championship. I think really highly
of this team. I think the counterpoint with Clemson is, well,
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look at what they did last year. There was a
lot of inconsistency. There's still a lot that they need
to clean up. But to the point Dablo's got guys
in the system now that have been there a while.
We started to see his wide receiver corp grow up
a little bit last season. They had been lacking that
element of their game. They brought in a big time
running back via the heighth school ranks. I think all
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of the ingredients are there for Clemson, provided they can
get a little bit more consistent and clean up some
of what woe done last year. I feel pretty good
about the Tigers and their chances in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Ty Hilderbritch, our guest, you's co host of Solid Verbal.
By the way, when you guys came up with solid verbal,
was that when solid verbal commitment's actually meant something.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
It was, Yeah, we've got a bunch of emails about that, like, hey,
you guys gonna like change the name now, I mean,
we're we've been doing this sin so eight. We're many
years into it, probably too many at this point to
change the name. But yeah, it doesn't mean as much
as it used to, does it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, No, honestly, now you can sign the national letter
in tenant doesn't seem to rebinding. It's it's crazy, It's crazy.
How's Bill Belichick do your one in college football?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That's like the big question, right if you're not talking
about Arch Manning, you're talking about Bill Belichick. A lot
new at you and see, including a quarterback coaching staff.
I mean, you name it new narratives too. With some
of what we heard in the offseason, it's I don't
know if u nc's fully prepared for what it got
(36:11):
so far out of Bill Belichick. But look, I mean
I think you expect base level competence on defense. I
think you expect base level competence when it comes to
the operational stuff sometimes the boring, process driven stuff that
we know he was really good at with New England.
I think he will find ways to at least get
(36:31):
them running more efficiently, get them on schedule, on time. Fundamentally,
they will be much sounder than I think they've been recently.
So as a starting point in the ACC, which is
always wide open, that feels like a pretty good place
to be. Beyond that, though, like I don't mean to punt,
but there again, this is another situation where there is
(36:53):
so much new with this school and with this roster
that to expect it all to come together right away
is probably a bridge too far. I think they'll be
improved on defense. They haven't played defense in three years,
so he's going to make them better on that front
and that's going to go a long way, and that's
I think going to keep them at least somewhat in
the conversation in the ACC. The other thing i'd add
(37:15):
about your one for Bill Belichick, it's a really advantageous schedule. Like,
if you're in the ACC, you kind of want that
UNC schedule right now. So it's going to be set
up well for him. He's got a tough opening act
against TCU on the Monday night. It's on Labor Day,
so he'll have kind of the attention of the college
football watching world on him to see what he can do.
(37:38):
I expect they'll be better. I expect they'll be fundamentally sound,
and I think as a product of their schedule, it
will probably open some eyes. But I would stop short
of saying like eight wins, like seven eight wins that
nothing more than that in my book.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
He's Ty Eilibrant, the co host of Solid Verbal. It's
an iHeartMedia podcast. You should download it, rate it, review it,
put it in your queue, and listen to it. And
we'll just beg them every week to come on and
talk some college ball with us. It all kicks off
this weekend, Week zero. Still super weird, but whatever. It's back. Ty,
thanks so much for join us.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Thanks cav it.
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Doug Gotlieb Show and subscribe. I read this. Ben Bolan's
a good friend of ours. He joins us on a
weekly basis. During the NFL season, he did an interview
with the Boston Globe. Excuse me, interview with Bill Belichick.
Did an interview with Ben Volan of the Boston Globe.
And you know Belichick's now coaching college football. He's saying
(39:35):
the praises of college football, but he did so well.
Take a listen or yeah, listen to this quote. There's
no owner, there's no owner's son, there's no salary cap,
everything that goes with the marketing and everything else, which
I'm all for that, but it's way less of what
(39:57):
it was at that level. Generic teams, you have the owner,
the president of the general manager, the personnel director, the
college director, the pro director, the cap guy, some other
consultant than a head coach. I'd say, when we had
our best years in New England, we had fewer people
and more direct vision, and as that expanded, it became
(40:17):
harder to be successful. Was that a shot at the Patriots?
You're damn right it was, But it's also a shot
at how business is done. It's no different than the
Johnny Manzel being drafted by Cleveland where reportedly they didn't
want to draft him and the owner came in draft
day and said take him, or potentially what happened with
(40:38):
Cleveland this year where they didn't want to take they
didn't want to take Shador and the owner's like, what
are we doing? Go take Shador? Owners own? That's the
expression owner's own. Hey, I put it the money. That's
my money, that's my family, that's my name, that's my business.
You're great, you're the head coach. I love you. But
we're gonna do what I want to do. So I
(41:00):
is Bill Belichick spitting truth? Of course? Is he taking
a shot at the Patriots. Yes, he wouldn't have said
no owner, no owner's son, because they're both involved. But
then he went on to say, like any team, they're
all like this. They're all like this. And this is
why college football is a coach's game, because you get
(41:21):
your own fiefdom. And this is why college football coaches
struggled so much to get to the end when they
get to the NFL. In college, it's all about them
and the pros. It's not really about them. If you win,
it's about the quarterback and the owner. In a little
bit of the coach, Mark Dominic joins us. He spent
over forty years and it's forty. Sorry, Mark, my bad,
(41:41):
I just aged you. Spent over twenty years in NFL
front offices and scouting. He's a former gentlemanager of the
Tampay Buccaneers. He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, obviously he worked to tell with
the Tampay Buccaneers. How is it simply would a coach
make a decision on his own with the Bucks when
you were there?
Speaker 6 (42:03):
No, No, it didn't work out that way. You know.
It was always kind of a joint combination of conversations, right,
I mean, that was the goal. It was like, let's
let's just kind of all figured out together, and let's
work together to come up with the best solution we
can for each situation. So no, we never kind of
gotten that kind of situation whatsoever. And that was including
all the years I was there, whether it was Sam Which,
Tony Dungee, John Gruden, Rahie Morris, Craig Ciano. You know, no,
(42:25):
no coach walked in was like this is how it's
going to be, but certainly had influence in terms of
what we're thinking about.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, I got a bunch of things. Help me explain this.
Jay Stuo has a sort of a theory here on
the Micah Parsons thing. It's like he knows the Michael
Parsons thing is going to get done, but he wants
to It's like he wants to wait until this docuseries
plays out and it's all kind of the you know,
making people watch this docuseries and think, well, the Cowboys
(42:56):
it's a little bit of a fluff thing, right. The
Cowboys are awesome, they were made and then they kind
of own the media for the preseason. Is that possibly accurate? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (43:09):
I still think the deal gets done. I mean, what
the reports today that they're wanting you know, four, three,
four or five first round picks to get Micah Parsons
off the team. I mean, I just think that the
negotiations went really bad and very frustrating. And when you
negotiate with the player directly in your ownership, that is
pretty taboo. And you know, whatever said and understood, there's
(43:31):
a reason why an agent has a fee and he's
trying to negotiate the best interest of the player. So
I think this got convoluted for a little bit. I
think that they're just trying to make Micah kind of
sweat a little bit more. But I still think this
deal gets done for Dallas.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Did you think that the Colts would make Andrew Anthony
Richson lose the job instead of what they did, which
they gave it to Danny Dimes.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Well, I just think that, you know, it's a unique thing.
I mean, let's Chris Ballard's been in a very unique
spot and not many general managers in the history of
the game have ever been kind of where he's been
in the general manager world. You go back to when
he was in his rookie year as a gym. You know,
it was Jacoby Brissett, second year, Andrew Luck third year,
Jacoby Brissett, fourth year, Rivers fifth wins, sixth, Matt Ryan
(44:20):
seventh mentioned, now Anthony Richardson, and now suddenly you know
Daniel Jones. I mean, that's that's it's nine years, nine
different starting quarterbacks for the season. That's I don't think
I've ever heard of that, except you know that that's
just what's happened. And I think what's happened with Anthony
Richardson is he's played himself out of the position and
they felt, like, you know, everybody understands how important the
(44:41):
season is for the Colts, and I think they felt
like Daniel Jones to give him a better chance and
more consistency.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want to play for you something that Eric Dickerson
said it was in relations to Shador Sanders and where
he was drafted. This is Eric Dickerson, the Hall of
Famer on a M five seven, Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
And I'll tell you as much of what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it told other than don't draft him,
do not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna
make an example out of him. And this came from
a very good source, a very good source, and he
said that, I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland
Browns and said, don't do that. Draft really, yep, draft him,
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don't don't. Don't do that because they weren't drafted either.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
They weren't drafted, but but they they did. I put
it at zero percent chance that the NFL colluded to
not draft Shad or Sanders. What percentage chance would you
put it at?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Yeah, if I put it at zero percent chance as well,
And I'm still pretty good about that. Look, you can't,
no one does that. I understand.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
I've met Eric Dickerson. I think he's amazing, but I
think he's wrong. I just there's just no way that
you're gonna put yourself in that kind of situation. The
league cannot collude like that, or would they want to
clubs want the show, right, they didn't want everything else
that came along with him is what they were concerned about.
So that, yeah, was he a second round third round town?
I still think he was. But I think what club
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said is like, do we really want the circus to
come to town? And you know, I think the sder
has done a pretty good job and his dad has
done a pretty good job of trying not to make
it as bad as it's been or that people predicted
it could be. But at the same point, you know,
I mean, don't believe that. I think one hundred percent
that you know, Cleveland made the decision to go trade
back up and they'll get him. That's their own call.
But no one sat around and said, he's just don't
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draft your door standard. I think everybody started once the
ball started dropping. Sometimes people got a little nervous. Maybe
other people are like, well, if no one's drafted and
we're not gonna draft him. Not that they colluded or
told each other that. I think that's not true at all.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah. I'm also you know, the the interviews were such
a disaster. I mean, you know how it worked because
you've been in those those those that you call other people.
Do you guys, do you guys have Yeah, he was
it was rough. It was rough. People talk, They talk,
but they don't alude. Like the NFL doesn't collude. You
don't run the risk of a billion dollar lawsuit because
of because of a second day, second or third day quarterback.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
That is correct. There's no way that you're gonna put
yourself in that kind of situation and hopefully should do her,
which I think he will will end up having a
chance to play and start for the Cleveland Browns this year.
I think it will happen, but I gotta wait and
see you.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
Dominic's our guest, warm general manager Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I
I'm trying to figure out what the Lions are going
to look like. I'm trying to not get caught in
the circles of conversation of teams that aren't or haven't
been good Cowboys as the example, Lions have been really good,
(47:37):
but they lost a lot some personnel and the coordinators.
What's your best guess on their year?
Speaker 6 (47:43):
I still think Detroit. I think Green Bay is really
closed it. I think it's gonna be very close between
those two teams. I lean a little bit more towards
the Packers, but I think the Lions are right up
there still. I mean, I think the big thing for
the Lions is, yes, the coordinators are you know, that
hurts a little bit certainly, But the players. You know,
as as an old Scott used to say, you know,
it's hard to find. You can find, you know, a
(48:03):
good coach, that's hard to find an elite player or
vice versa. Right, it's a lot harder to find the
player than it is really the coach. And I know
that sounds terrible. Same for the GM. Right, you draft
the right guy, Tom Brady and suddenly you're a great GM.
You draft the wrong one and you're not. It's just
that simple. But it's about the players. And the Detroit
still has a lot of great players because Brad Holme
has done such a good job the GM, the Detroit
Lions has done a great job of building that roster.
(48:25):
So I think they're both neck and neck at probably
is one game apart, but they're both playoff teams and
I think they both could represent the NFC in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Where are you on Matt Stafford. Right, he's missed so
much time with the back. Now he's back, but you
know there's i mean, Garoppolo behind him, who's not even
where he was when he took the Niners to the
Super Bowl. What are your thoughts on what we should
expect from Matt Stafford this year?
Speaker 6 (48:51):
But I still feel like, you know, he's gonna slowly
work himself. We've got a lot of time still, We've
got a few weeks before he's got to be on
the football field. So in that way, I feel good
about where he's hits and that I think he'll be
the starter. You know, can they massage him through the season,
I believe so. Could Matt Stafford miss a game or two, sure,
But I feel like they've kind of slow played this
the whole way on purpose to make sure that they
(49:12):
get Matt Stafford to the starting line, and we as
the media, like to kind of build the frenzy around it.
But I think he'll be fine, and you know, can
he stay fine? Sure? I mean I think again, you're
going to manage his practice, You're going to manage, you know,
how how much he gets out there. But I think
that they knew all along he's gonna be ready for
week one, and I think they've enjoyed the game. But
I think I think Matt Stafford's going to be fine
week one.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
How far away is Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (49:36):
Well, I still don't think they want to start in
week one. I mean, I think that they're very happy
with them. But I think what they're going to want
to do is play the but the fans cheer for him,
assuming that you know, Tommy doesn't continue to go out
and throw you know, three or four touchdown. Now it's
Jackson Dart's team for the future. But I think what
they want to do is, like, let's Jamis go out
there a couple of games.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
If he's get Russell Wilson to Russell's.
Speaker 6 (49:58):
Excuse Russell Wilson as but you got Russell Wilson. Let
him go out there iopauses and see how he does,
and let him have it's his team and let Jackson
kind of just kind of grow and sit there. And
I think Jackson Darton might be more in the Patrick
Mahomes world this year, where there might be a game
where he gets to play like Patrick did against the
Denver Broncos in his rookie year, and that was it. Basically,
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I think that's going to be more of what we'll seeing.
I think that they'll they'll go with Russell. They obviously
have Jamis, like I said, sorry, and and Jackson's gonna
sit there and just kind of be a fixture, And
if there's opportunity to get him playtime, I think they
will because there's nothing more important than a young guy
actually being on it. There's one thing in the classroom,
as you know, Doug, you know you can go like
a way, here's what I think I would have done
with that ball, and this is what I think until
(50:40):
you go out in the field, like why do you
make that decision? And they can learn so much faster,
And so I think that's what you're going to see
from Jackson dart Is. I think you're going to see,
let's not push him out there. We don't have to.
We're not you know where Cleveland is where you just
got to throw somebody out there and maybe hopefully it sticks.
I think for the Giants, I think there's excitement and
hope for him, but they don't want to rush it.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
The Bears open up with the Vikings at home. Now
part of me sits there and goes like man, Bears
got to be bummed because a Dome team, you really
want to get them in November and December at Soldier Field.
But you know, both these teams they give us a
look at two talented former first round draft picks from
last year at quarterback. You know, look, the Bears thing
(51:24):
in Caleb Williams is gonna be really interesting. Early on
in camp, people are like, this doesn't work. Before last
week that the really good, really well played preseason game,
You're like, I don't think it's a great fit. Right,
that's see what you and I discussed Vikings at Lions,
Cowboys at Raiders, bye Week at Commanders, Saints at Ravens
at Bengals. Like it gets real really really quick for
(51:46):
Caleb Williams. Does it work?
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yeah? It does? And I think that's great. We've got
to put him out there and got to see exactly
what he can do and what this offensive line can
do for and they've done everything it can to say, hey, Caleb,
how good are you? And now it's Caleb turned to
show everybody that he deserves to be the number one pick,
or deserve to be you know, top two picks uh
in the draft. And you know I think the opportunity
is there. I mean, I love that they added Colson
(52:09):
loves Lovement. I think he's a huge piece with col Cormet,
like having a two tight ends set along with the
ride receivers and the running. I mean, I just love
what they did is the offensive line. So everything's the
table set. There's no excuses, and I think Caleb William
should have to be happy about that. They're giving you
every chance you can to be the star and let's
see if you.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Can do it.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
I'm not sure. I don't really know what I've seen
enough of him. I've been impressed at times where I've like,
those are some really good throws, but it just still
feels like it's not as natural of conversation coming out
of Chicago, like yeah, he's going to be the dude
like we saw with the Commanders, or even kind of
like what we heard in Denver early on with bow
Nick's like hey, this is a lot different than it's
even what we thought of better. I think that's kind
(52:50):
of the thing that's not been felt by Caleb. It's
more like, yeah, he's coming a long ways kind of
a thing.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Instead, he's Mark Dominic. You'll hear him every week. Former
Tenant Bay Buccaneers gentleman. Sure he spent his entire professional
life in the National Football League, and he gives us
just so much great information. Uh, Marc, have a great weekend.
We're getting closer. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (53:10):
Yeah, thanks for having me on. Doug enjoyed the last
seven preseason games. We'll talk to you next week.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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