August 25, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug addresses the ridiculous notion that the Browns are setting up Shedeur Sanders to fail. Doug welcomes Browns and NFL reporter Zac Jackson from The Athletic to give the latest from Cleveland on Shedeur Sanders. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?'.
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to people who have bones to pick and carry you
in a bias of things. I love I love t
Josh Benzada, an actual personal friend and a friend of
the show. So when I play for this sound of
t jos man Zada, I just I don't know. I
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think it's interesting. We also have sound of RG three,
but we all carry sort of a baggage, many of
us against RG three and his way of analyzing and
the perspective he comes from. Shadoor Sanders played poorly over
the weekend in a preseason game for the Cleveland Browns.
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If you've watched Door Sanders and I've watched a ton,
it's talented quarterback, accurate, He's not crazy athletic, but he
can be elusive. It doesn't have a big arm, but
seems to get the job done and understands the timing.
But there's something missing there. One of the big things
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that the criticism he held the ball too long. Now,
remember he didn't have a good offensive line for the
most part in college. How do we know One he
took a lot of sacks, but two he made sure
to tell us as such. I don't profess to be
a quarterback guru. I've seen all the highlights, have seen
every play he played, and in no way did he
play well. He accumulated five sacks and the main reason,
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for the most part was he held the ball. He
probably held the ball because he didn't see it might
have been confused. He's just a rookie. It's not the
end of the world. But if you factor in all
of these things, didn't play well in two of the outings, right,
he didn't play well in this outing. There's always been
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concerns about him holding the football too long. And if
you're holding it too long, are you holding it too
long to make the hero player? You're holding it too
long because you're not seeing it and identifying it and
getting rid of the football. And then you factor in
what everyone in the league said about his attitude and
preparing for the draft. While he has said some things
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which there's an appearance of some humbling, let's not act
like he's been humbled. He shows up with his little
mine entourage, people filming him everywhere, And then you factor
in that if you don't play him the right amount
of snaps with the right surrounding personnel, well, now you're
trying to undercut his chances of making the team. Where
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do I sign up for this dream scenario in which
I get Shador standards and I get all this baggage
for a guy who, though talented, not the perfect player.
Tom Delesco is going to join us later on the show,
I'll never forget a conversation he and I had they
needed a backup quarterback with the Chargers, and I was like,
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I asked, this is in the early Kaepernick years, early
Kaepernick out of the NFL years, and his response was,
I'd never forget. I'd be a hero if I signed him.
But you become powerless towards releasing him if he's not
good enough or he's not a good backup quarterback. It
doesn't want to be a backup quarterback. At the time,
they had Philip Rivers, So I'm going to pass. He
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doesn't want to be a backup and people who support
him think that if he is a backup, if he's
not playing, it's because of something other than football. You
tell me which part of this dream everyone else in
the NFL wants to sign up for. Here's Tjos Benzada
on Shannon Sharp's show. Why do you think the Browns
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played it the way they did? And and and you
do and sh door the performance today.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
From a from my assessment, y'all, they don't want to controversy.
That's how I look. They don't want to count because
we know what Flaco can do. Why why does Flacco
start in the game. We know what he can do.
He let y'all to the playoffs the last time. Y'all
let him play. So if you're trying to figure out
who you gonna play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel,
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should you let them split the game? Snoopers, Stooper, Helly, Tyler,
Helly's getting cut tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You let them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You let them battle without And so to me it
was like, wow, you you put him in with guys
that's gonna be on the street tomorrow. They all getting cut,
shot and everybody should do play with you know that
tomorrow on Monday. And so you didn't get this man
a fighting chance to compete. He went into a gunfight
with two knives. He gonna lose that every time.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, and most of those offensive limon have been cut.
I don't know about the lineman playing previous to that. Okay,
he got to play with guys that stuck on the
team during his first outing because the other guys are hurt.
Stup Huntley by the way, and I know there was
defensive penalties. Did he come in and lead them to
a game winning field goal? That did happen? Right, So
it is possible. Here's what I would like. Here's what
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I would really like. I've told this to other people,
told this to parents when I coached AAU basketball I've
told it to people who now I have two seats
that are right next to me that are not not
on my bench. As a donor who actually went with
us to the Cubs game, Shannon who owns a roofing company.
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He's a brilliant dude, and he sits there and he's
the only guy who knows why I'm taking somebody out. Hey,
whush did you happen to mention? He was awful? Awful?
Body language was worse. You show me the young starting quarterback,
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the one who comes from an NFL family, the one
who had his number retired after playing two years at
a school. You show me the guy who has that
bad abide language when he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You could say whatever you want about the offensive line.
It wasn't made better by Shador Sanders. Okay, continue to
drop back and not step up into the pocket and
deliver the football. He just held it and held it
and held it. He's not a great athlete and he's
holding back pedaling and it was bad. You're allowed to
take people out. You're allowed, especially with young players that
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you're gonna keep, to take him out and go, hey, dude,
this wasn't good. Take a breath and watch. That's a veteran,
same offensive line, same game plan. Let's see what he does,
see how he controls it. That's called coaching, And what
irritates the crap out of every coach and most people
in sports is when something that has nothing to do
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with coaching gets thrust in front of you. You don't have
to blame, you don't have to split the minutes, you
don't have to split the reps. And by the way,
I'm not a quarterback guru. I don't know. I can
tell you that I did watch. I watched every step.
Dylan Gabriel was remarkably better. And I've never been a
Dylan Gabriel guy. I do think he has a fairly
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low ceiling because he doesn't have a big arm. He
is little. But you know what, played really well in
both of his preseason appearances. So why would they set
him up to fail?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, do I think that that Stefanski loves to set
up I'm sure he hates it. I'm sure it's like
the rest of us. We roll our eyes and it's ridiculous.
And you have these sick of fans, like, how do
we get to this place where Shador Sanders is now
Colin Kaepernick? I don't know, like explain. You know, his
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son of a pro went to private schools, had private training,
had his dad as his coach, was arrogant, and treated
a lot of people who played with him or around
them poorly. Despite that, he had some success, mostly at
Jackson State, some at Colorado. Goes to the draft and
rubs everybody the wrong way with his pre draft attitude
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and his willingness to show complete disdain for teams he
didn't want to play with, and the teams that he
did want to play for didn't want him. So he
follows to the fifth round of the draft. You're in
the National Football League also known as NFL. Not for long,
and there's modest change at times in his persona. Then
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he plays poorly. Right again, all you have to ask
Shannon Sharp and again and just ask him did he
play well? Forget about the players around him? Did he
play well? And if he says he didn't have a chance,
that's fine. I've watched those videos of those sacks, he
stepped back instead of up into the pocket. He could
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take a knee, he could dirt a ball, he could
throw to his hot he chose not to do so. Like,
stop making it about something, it's not that it's about.
Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked about that after the game.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things.
But you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean, yeah, I think you cut him, You cut
him unless the owner says you cannot do it. And
I know they haven't done it yet. I just I think,
and the fact that they haven't cut him, by the way,
is the greatest sign of their actual belief in him
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as a player. Because if I'm coaching there and you're like, okay,
he's my at best, my third third best quarterback right now. Okay,
So I'm going to get pressure from fanboys that don't
watch or care or whatever. I'll get some social media pressure.
I'll get some media pressure to talk about him, to
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play him, to whatever when he's at best third on
the depth chart. Okay, best third in the depth chart,
and if you do play him now, you can't really
ever replace him. Think about it. You put him in
there and he played like crap. And the takeaway for
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some people is you made him play like crap. Imagine
if he goes into an actual Browns game, if he
plays well, people will go crazy. If he plays poorly,
people will go crazy, but they're not gonna blame him.
I don't know how we got there. I don't I
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don't understand. Like it's if it was about race, then
why they just cut Snoop Huntley, Like nobody mentioned Stup
Puntley's black, by the way, way more experienced they cut him. Yeah,
I'd love this. I'd love at some point, Jay Sue,
maybe next year when you come to one of our games,
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you can track why I take certain players out. I
do that with their parents all the time. I had
one of my kids who left the dad's like, why
you took him out for this? You took him out
for that. I was like, WHOA, No, I didn't, No,
I didn't you took him out of a mistake, Like no, no, no, no, Nope, Nope.
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Didn't take guy out for one mistake. The mistake you
you saw that you recognized, that's one. But there was
probably a bunch of coaching on things you were supposed
to do that you didn't do. You didn't do well.
You took him out because he missed a shot, and
I'm like, no, I didn't. He took a bad shot,
and he didn't get back on defense, and they didn't talk.
Then he picked up the wrong guy. Then he didn't
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box out, then he didn't get out run, and then
he turned the ball over and then you know, it's
like you see one, I see a bunch of things.
So I would the one piece of advice I could
give to Kevin Stefanski is you can't show people video
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and say what here, this is what we're really looking at.
There is a way, and we use an analytics company.
And one of the reasons, the best reason for using
this analytics company called HCI, is that it it takes
away the need for confrontational arguments. You know, a parent
has an opinion about a kid and you're like, he's
just not very good defensively. Can you show me where
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I have us do the print out and there's something
called defensive leverage. He has the worst defensive leverage on
the team. Well, what's that mean? That means that we
are at our worst defensively when your son is on
the floor. That's why he's not gonna play. I'm sure
there's a man on legal data to back it up.
Show it to them. But if you ever want to
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know why sor Sanders, if and when gets cut by
the Browns will be hard to sign, this week is
your This week will be your reason. These couple of
days of your reason.
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Speaker 3 (15:33):
You're surviving, surviving. Yeah, I'm not paying it, guy, but
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games against the Podreys in two weeks. We took four
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and the Dodgers have won the series. So if it
comes down to a tie on the season, the Dodgers
will get the division title.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Wow, forty nine on the year, Jay su didn't you
say he was going to fall off there second half
of the year. I mean, it was a logical, reasonable
conclusion that a guy who plays catcher doesn't play dh
is going to fall off.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But he is not, is not much to my surprise.
Good for him, by the way.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, really good for him. It's a Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's welcome in Zach Jackson.
He covers the Browns and the NFL for the athletic
He joins his so on Fox Sports Radio. Zach, what's
the reality to how Shadoor played yesterday or this weekend?
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Well, it was bad and it was kind of an
outlier in most of his performances. Tell you the truth.
I mean, the talent's obvious, but I think it's always
been obvious that he's not ready. You know, some people
wanted to deny that, and if you just watched the
first preseason game, maybe that went against that. Right, But
he's got a lot to clean up, and going back
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to Roocky Minnie camp and going back to his college,
she would lose his footwork and he would struggle against
the rush and he would make bad decisions. So I
think the Browns know they have a really talented passer
on their hands. I think the Browns know that they
kind of have a mess on their hands that they
signed up for right by doing this, and nothing about
really the four main competition went in the straight line.
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And I don't know. I mean, they've put out every
feeler that they're going to keep all four at least
for a while. But Shador is clearly forced, and I
think that was probably always the most likely result.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's not even considering Deshaun Watson, who is still in
our contract.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Yeah, so until yesterday, of the ninety guys on their
camp roster, six were quarterbacks. So this is unprecedented and
it's probably incompetence too. I mean, and that's the Browns
for twenty five years. But that's the situation they're in.
They're stuck with Deshaun Watson's contract. The best way out
is to find their own rock party, which would be
like round pick who makes it. Shador might do it,
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but it's just not happening right now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, you know, or Dylan Gabriel. I think Dylan Gabriel
has been a surprise. I mean, most people I know
thought third round too high for Dylan Grabriel, and yet
he's looked really good. But can can he play actual
NFL quarterback?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Yeah? I wouldn't be fooled by those two preseason games.
Third round is too high for Dylan Gabriel, but he's
going to get a chance, and he's going to get
the first chance. Doug. I think it's eleven times since
they came back in ninety nine that they've played at
least three starting quarterbacks over the course of a year.
And sign him up for twelve and twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What do you make of this sudden narrative that Stefanski
is setting him up to fail?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, that's kind of ridiculous. Now, the one thing that's
in question is the two minute dril when they took
him out, and so there's only two ways to look
at that. One is that he was so bad during
the rest of it that they were saving him from himself,
and one is that they didn't want to put him
out there and let him get hot. So the second
one kind of sounds ridiculous, But that's the only kind
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of question. Slash Gray area. I guess about that day,
he just wasn't very good and where Dylan Gabriel went
in and made the read and got rid of the
ball quickly. She ordered him do that and consistently got
himself in trouble. But that is really strange because you
have an investment in this guy and it's a preseason game.
Who cares if he fails?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
His bide language started to start to go bad. I
actually I thought the bid language is like get get
him out, And he got stup Huntley and he throws
stup Puntley a bone. Now he's got some more some
more tape, not that he necessarily need a board tape,
but it's the to anyone who says, hey, he couldn't
move the ball behind the line. I know there's defensive
penalties there, but Stup Huntley was perfectly fine moving the
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ball down the field.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah he was. I would tell you this, Doug of
twenty to twenty five days a camp, the best throw
of the day, more times than anybody else, was made
by Shodwar Sanders. But there were also a couple of
days where that body language was really familiar to what
you saw after that. So he just got to grow up,
that's all. And there's nothing wrong with that. His career
is not going to be defined by one good night
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in Carolina against second and third teamers or one bad
day against the Rams fourth teamers. Right, Like, he's a
talented kid, he's just not there.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yet, agreed, But the will he grow up when anytime
you open your phone and you don't play well or
your buy the language isn't good, half of the world
acts like it's somebody else's fault.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Yeah, Now that comes down to what he does right
and how he handles it. And he's going to enter
a brave new world because he's either going to get
you know, at best, half the scout team opportunities. So
he's got to get in that meeting room and show
he can get better. He's got to perform over the
next months as Joe Burrow as Lamar Jackson as Jordan
love right in these practices, and he's got to keep
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himself ready for November or later when he gets his chance.
I mean, I think for the first month of the season,
barring something crazy, I think you're going to see four
on the roster. I think eventually a natural chance to
trade one of the veterans will come up. You know,
I don't think the Gabriel or Schador would be moved.
That would be surprising. And then it just said history
says he's going to play, and the situation says he's
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going to play. And if there's one quote that matters
from all of training camp, it's the owner saying we
need to see the rookies play this year. And the
head coach knows that, and he said that on about
the fifth day of camp, and that's going to follow
this team through the reality of the situation all the
way through.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Steut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, we're talking
not just Brown's the rest of the NFL. With Zach Jackson,
who joins us Okay let let's let's keep it in
that division. What are reports on Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers? Right,
they were a quarterback away last year. Now you get
as good a possible quarterback who's out there on paper,
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but he's older. He wasn't great the whole year last year.
And it's a totally news system.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yeah. If Pittsburgh's defense is good, they're going to be
really good. I mean, I liked Aaron Rodgers fitt and
I think you said it well, like how could they
have done better? So? Can he hold up and he
and Arthur Smith and DK Metcalf, you know, find the
right notes to be on the same page at what
they want to do and how they can do it.
Can they develop a second receiver? Do they have to
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use the tight ends? It's crazy there's this division. There's
two absolutely elite quarterbacks and there's two guys forty plus
and Flacco's temporary in Cleveland. Everybody knows that. But Rodgers
are supposed to get Pittsburgh to January and they've been
getting there. Right. We know this team can win ugly,
they just can't win the big ones so or winning
the playoffs. I give the Steelers every chance. I think
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this division is wide open among the three teams that
aren't the Browns. You know, I think Baltimore obviously is
the best because of their roster and because of their quarterback.
But I think the Steelers and Bengals things go their
way or legitimate you know, finge contenders in the AFT.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
What about the Bengals. Can they stop anybody?
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Not so far? You know, I think it'll be a
thirty one to thirty type game Week one in Cleveland.
But you know, if they can just get a couple
of stops, they can win. Burrows is truly that good,
he really is. And they need to get the Tray
Hendrickson thing resolved like yesterday, right, but they got to
t Higgins sing at least temporarily resolved. Jase Brown is
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a nice back. If they can keep Burrow clean at all,
then he's going to go nuclear.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know, I think there's a lot of interesting teams
out there. The Rams were you know a lot of
people like the Rams roster, like what they've done. And
then yeah, Matt Stafford, who two years ago we were
told the back made leading to retire. Then you know,
they play in the Snow Game last year in Philly,
so we have no idea what that would have looked like,
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although we know they wouldn't be able to stop Saque.
What are your thoughts on not just the but their
ability to have matt Stafford play the majority of the season.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the question, right, Can
Adams and Stafford be healthy for almost all of it
or all of it? Whoka has been banged up, but
he's phenomenal. I mean, I think if that offense is
unlocked and healthy, that they can go. And I think
when you look at the playoffs, they're the one team
it was in it with the Eagles for the course
of the game. So it's an interesting situation there because
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if Stafford does get hurt, it'll be time for them
to move on. But they seem to be pretty close
to all in. And this is a mysterious month. This
is Matthew Stafford at this stage of his career, really
need all of training camp. Probably not, Probably would have
liked to have him to have had more than he
actually has though, right, So we'll see. But I think
that's a team that I think that's another interesting division, right,
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But the Rams are a team that they should think
they can be back in January. If those guys can
stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
In your mind, has the league caught up to the
Cancity Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
I think in a way. Sure, I think they've obviously
had some struggles offensively, but that's why they draft the
left tackle in the first round. I think Xavi your
worthies and an intriguing guy. And you know, I don't
think anybody knows for sure what's going to happen with
for she Rice, but he obviously has been a playmaker
when he's healthy, So I don't know. I debated in
the Super Bowl do you ever bet against mahomes Well
(26:19):
in that day? If you did, you were right. You know.
I still think there's a pretty strong chance that they
win the AFC West and they're there at the end
and it goes through them. And if you'd be given
their experience and given myhome's talent level, I won't be
a surprise if they're the team everybody's chasing again.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Awesome stuff, man Zach. Really appreciate it having you on.
Can't wait to talk more as the season gets gets going.
Look forward to reading more your work in the athletic
Thanks for being our guests on Fox Sports. It's Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Radio.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Dah, I'm going to Youngstown State Thursday night for football,
and the next time I'm there it'll be to see
you guys.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Ah awesome, awesome. I just I have the embargoed schedule,
so I do know and we huh, I'll send it
to you. Go see the Gwinns. Thanks for me, I
guess appreciate Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
Jay Stu. How do we deal with prediction season? How
(27:14):
do we deal with it? I mean, obviously we're not
going to do the prediction things, but people do it.
I know you want to talk about in the pod
when we have a little bit more time. But the
next ten days are like really prediction season, and like
everyone does it. And the weird part about it is
like lists and predictions get you the most clicks on
social media, Like if I really wanted to grow my
TikTok page or my Instagram page, I should just do
(27:38):
lists every day. And people that the numbers don't lie.
How do we combat that?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah? I mean, I don't know if lists or predictions
gets you the most quicks. I think being interesting gets
you in the most quicks.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Being under I think, but that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, No, I think the people that offer off the best
content get the most quicks. But my stance on prediction season,
if I'm ever to run a network, I would ban predictions.
And you're like, what, you can't talk about who's gonna
win the next game? Exactly? How about this talk about
what has happened? Put a lot of work into thinking
(28:14):
about something interesting about what already has happened, and then
give your listeners that. Because predictions are just empty calories
and lazy segments. Every time I see a segment dedicated
to predictions, I think, oh, somebody's mailing it in, namely
the entire producing staff and hosts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't enjoy it. I really don't, but that's I'll
be We also don't do it, you know, we can
just not do it, but people do, like, I mean really,
big time radio hosts will do it. TV hosts will
do it. I don't understand it. I don't. I don't
(28:58):
get the value of it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It's easy, and it serves the ego of the host.
It doesn't serve the viewer or the wistener.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I never thought about this serving the ego of the host. Interesting,
you know, I'd say most hosts probably think this is
what viewers want. Now, whether they do or they don't. Again,
that's the assumption. That was my assumption that I was,
you know, I was making. Is everything I've been told?
Is you know lists or what what lists or what
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brings a number?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Okay? Sure, it doesn't mean I have to do it. Deserve.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. M m mmm, oh god,
we're talking a lot about the Browns and they stink.
I'm just ready to just talk talk about good teams. Maybe. Well,
let's let's get to Mansi blogna some play game months.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right there, what do you got.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
We're gonna start this week with big deal, little deal,
no deal. That's right, Coach, You're gonna tell me whether
things are a big deal, little deal or no deal.
Let's get it going here, big deal, little deal, no deal. Michigan,
The Wolverines have reportedly named freshman true freshman Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
As their starting quarterback. Is this a big deal, A
little deal, no deal.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I mean it's Michigan, right, so yeah, I guess it's
a big deal. I just I can't tell you. I'm
so invested in Michigan football I care who they're starting
quarterback is, that's all.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah, I'll go little deal, little deal.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
You just don't hear that very often, right, true freshman
getting the starting job like that, You really don't.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
All right, let's move on here. Let's move on to
a little baseball coach. Big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The Padres took two of the three from the Dodgers
this weekend. There is now a tie atop the NL West,
and we've got what a month left if that?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think it's a big deal. Yeah, I think it's
a big deal. I mean, like, look, I understand the
Dodgers went in there and won big games last year
to help turn around that turn around that series. But
I would also tell you that I do think home
field advantaged matters. Yea, how you finished matters They're gonna
likely play against the other in the playoffs. Yeah, so yeah,
(31:42):
I think it's a little deal, not a big deal.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Okay, all right, I'm with Jason, though I did breathe
a sigh of relief.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
Okay, well we're gonna stick with this a little bit.
But big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
The Yankees avoided the sweep at home against the Red Sox,
but they've fallen to third place in their division. They
fall into the second wald card spot in the AL
and it's a little bit tight, like they got to
get it together and the Yankees are If you're a
Yankee fan, I'm sorry because the mental mistakes that they
make are mistakes that you should not be making for
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a professional team that was just in the World Series.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
So a big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Uh, which part? There was a bunch of there?
Speaker 9 (32:22):
So do you think it's a big deal?
Speaker 8 (32:24):
They fall into third place in their division because the
Red Sox kind of took over this weekend. They did
avoid the sweep, they did avoid the sweep, but now
they're in the second wild card spot in the AL
and it is a tight race they.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Could fall out of a big deal. Yeah, it's a
big deal.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
A lot of pressure there, a lot of pressure there.
Got to perform. It's a big deal.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
It is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
My favorite theme on on Twitter now and it's replaced
the Angel Reese guy. So I think Angel Reese has
been injured. I don't know that for a fact, because
I don't she.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
Came back recently, like just came back, but she was gone.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yes, So replacing the guy that plays all of her
missus and overreacts to them. I love the Anthony Vulpi
guys on Twitter. Anthony Volpi makes an amazing diving play here,
saves a run, and it's always one of the worst judgment,
Like it's always a mental mistake and a throwing mistake,
and it's like he's awful at shortstop. How could that
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team have made it to the World Series in the
way to do?
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Seriously, and it's not even just him, Jason, Like the
mental mistakes just all around.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
You're just like nobody's being held accountable.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Okay, I'm gonna hold Jason here accountable because I'll never
forget what he said about cal Rawley participating in the
home run derby. Big deal, little deal, no deal that
cal Raley? Is it forty eight and forty nine home run?
Well number eight, forty eight, number forty nine. This all
happened yesterday Sunday on the season, setting a major League
record for catchers in a single season. Big deal, little deal,
no deal.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's a big deal. It's never never had before in
major league basics, never Major League Baseball is going been
going on.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
For more than a minute, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Big deal, big deal, big deal.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
And Seattle can use that because they're trying, you know,
to get deep into the playoffs this year.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Here, all right, let's move on here.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Big deal, little deal, no deal coach that the Cleveland
Browns have waived quarterback.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
Pro Bowl quarterback Tyler Hutting late.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Uh, it's a little deal. I mean, it's no deal.
Everybody knew who's gonna get a cut, So they just
need a lot of other live arm.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
M hm because of the injuries.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yea, yeah, banged up and also just a lot of
reps for some of their guys at practice. So yeah,
Holley's a pros pro. I mean, even shoudor Sanders, you know,
credit him with, you know, kind of learning. And here's
the guy who's been through a lot of a lot
of stuff and you know obviously came with a great attitude,
which is what you have to do if you want
to stay in the league, especially you're not a starter.
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So yeah, I it's a it's a little deal, but
I do think it speaks to like, again, that's the
job of the backup quarterback. Sometimes you're even gonna get
cut and you know it, and you still have to
come in with a great attitude. So no deal we play.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Can we play a little Explain your tweet? It's a
sidebar game to the games. Explain your tweet, Okay. Doug
Gottlieb yesterday sixteen hours ago, quote tweeted Schefter's announcement of
this news story. Ty Huntley has been released. If we
want to do a quote life ain't fair, then we
(35:21):
should do just should discuss Snoop Huntley. Yeah, what do
you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, I mean here, Stupe Huntley came in right, and
I understand that he knew he wasn't very very unlikely
to remain with the team. But in the same game,
with the same line, and he has played more football
in the NFL. He's played football in the NFL. Then
he's been a Pro bowler than Shadoor Sanders. It's like, again,
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life's not fair that he's probably a better quarterback. If
the Cleveland brownsie to a quarterback for Sunday, who's a
better option stoop Huntley or Shore.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Sanders probably snoop.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So what we get from people is the it's not
fair that Shadoor Sanders is playing with four stringers. Like, okay,
it's also not fair to stup Puntley. But he didn't
complain about it. He went out and played. That's my
that's my point.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Yeah, all right, a couple more of your coach that
I've got for you. A big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
You know, was Week zero in college football and a
video circulated on social media, So big deal, little deal,
no deal that the father and brother of Kansas State
quarterback Avery Johnson got into a fight after there came
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Uh, big deal. I know, it's not funny that team lost,
Your team lost, and your dad and brother are are
rolling brawling in the streets. Like what.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
When I saw the video, I didn't know was the
father and son. I thought it was just like fans upset.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
And then when it came out there was a father
and son, I was like, oh.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
No, yeah, this poor quarterback Avery Johnson. Like now you're
gonna have to You're gonna have to talk about this.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
I mean, I mean, you're gonna have to it's gonna
be addressed.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Weren't we confused? I don't know if you guys went
through this this exact uh thought process. But father and
brother of Avery Johnson fight after Kansas State. I'm like, WHOA,
I didn't know Avery Johnson had a son who played
quarterback at Kansas State. Elmer Spurs champion Avery Johnson. And
then you dive a little deepener and it's not so.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It was very conviced Avery Johnson, the little General.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
I think that's game time.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, let's let's get into it. In regards to our weekend.
Would you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from
the weekend? The sports weekend? I mean, I guess you
could do all, but we do this every Monday. So Ryan,
you're gonna have to come up with something he loved,
and MONSI, you're gonna have to come up with something
you hated because you love everything. Mons Right, Jay Stu
(38:14):
gotta come up with something he loved because he hates
everything as well. So that's the plan. I need you
guys all think about it himself. What'd you love from
the weekend of sports? What'd you hate from the weekend
of sports, We'll share with you our thoughts next and
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I don't know how we got here, but here we are.
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We're at this crossroads. What we are? What crossroads you like?
Pray tell Doug Gottlieb what crossroads are at We're at
this crossroads where you can either use to listen to
logic reason people in the industry, or you can listen
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to people who have bones to pick and carry you
in a bias of things. I love I love t
Josh Benzada, an actual personal friend and a friend of
the show. So when I play for this sound of
t jos man Zada, I just I don't know. I
(01:32):
think it's interesting. We also have sound of RG three,
but we all carry sort of a baggage, many of
us against RG three and his way of analyzing and
the perspective he comes from. Shadoor Sanders played poorly over
the weekend in a preseason game for the Cleveland Browns.
(01:53):
If you've watched Door Sanders and I've watched a ton,
it's talented quarterback, accurate, He's not crazy athletic, but he
can be elusive. It doesn't have a big arm, but
seems to get the job done and understands the timing.
But there's something missing there. One of the big things
(02:13):
that the criticism he held the ball too long. Now,
remember he didn't have a good offensive line for the
most part in college. How do we know One he
took a lot of sacks, but two he made sure
to tell us as such. I don't profess to be
a quarterback guru. I've seen all the highlights, have seen
every play he played, and in no way did he
play well. He accumulated five sacks and the main reason,
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for the most part was he held the ball. He
probably held the ball because he didn't see it might
have been confused. He's just a rookie. It's not the
end of the world. But if you factor in all
of these things, didn't play well in two of the outings, right,
he didn't play well in this outing. There's always been
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concerns about him holding the football too long. And if
you're holding it too long, are you holding it too
long to make the hero player? You're holding it too
long because you're not seeing it and identifying it and
getting rid of the football. And then you factor in
what everyone in the league said about his attitude and
preparing for the draft. While he has said some things
(03:28):
which there's an appearance of some humbling, let's not act
like he's been humbled. He shows up with his little
mine entourage, people filming him everywhere, And then you factor
in that if you don't play him the right amount
of snaps with the right surrounding personnel, well, now you're
trying to undercut his chances of making the team. Where
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do I sign up for this dream scenario in which
I get Shador standards and I get all this baggage
for a guy who, though talented, not the perfect player.
Tom Delesco is going to join us later on the show,
I'll never forget a conversation he and I had they
needed a backup quarterback with the Chargers, and I was like,
(04:14):
I asked, this is in the early Kaepernick years, early
Kaepernick out of the NFL years, and his response was,
I'd never forget. I'd be a hero if I signed him.
But you become powerless towards releasing him if he's not
good enough or he's not a good backup quarterback. It
doesn't want to be a backup quarterback. At the time,
they had Philip Rivers, So I'm going to pass. He
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doesn't want to be a backup and people who support
him think that if he is a backup, if he's
not playing, it's because of something other than football. You
tell me which part of this dream everyone else in
the NFL wants to sign up for. Here's Tjos Benzada
on Shannon Sharp's show. Why do you think the Browns
(05:01):
played it the way they did? And and and you
do and sh door the performance today.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
From a from my assessment, y'all, they don't want to controversy.
That's how I look. They don't want to count because
we know what Flaco can do. Why why does Flacco
start in the game. We know what he can do.
He let y'all to the playoffs the last time. Y'all
let him play. So if you're trying to figure out
who you gonna play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel,
(05:30):
should you let them split the game? Snoopers, Stooper, Helly, Tyler,
Helly's getting cut tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You let them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You let them battle without And so to me it
was like, wow, you you put him in with guys
that's gonna be on the street tomorrow. They all getting cut,
shot and everybody should do play with you know that
tomorrow on Monday. And so you didn't get this man
a fighting chance to compete. He went into a gunfight
with two knives. He gonna lose that every time.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, and most of those offensive limon have been cut.
I don't know about the lineman playing previous to that. Okay,
he got to play with guys that stuck on the
team during his first outing because the other guys are hurt.
Stup Huntley by the way, and I know there was
defensive penalties. Did he come in and lead them to
a game winning field goal? That did happen? Right, So
it is possible. Here's what I would like. Here's what
(06:24):
I would really like. I've told this to other people,
told this to parents when I coached AAU basketball I've
told it to people who now I have two seats
that are right next to me that are not not
on my bench. As a donor who actually went with
us to the Cubs game, Shannon who owns a roofing company.
(06:45):
He's a brilliant dude, and he sits there and he's
the only guy who knows why I'm taking somebody out. Hey,
whush did you happen to mention? He was awful? Awful?
Body language was worse. You show me the young starting quarterback,
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the one who comes from an NFL family, the one
who had his number retired after playing two years at
a school. You show me the guy who has that
bad abide language when he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You could say whatever you want about the offensive line.
It wasn't made better by Shador Sanders. Okay, continue to
drop back and not step up into the pocket and
deliver the football. He just held it and held it
and held it. He's not a great athlete and he's
holding back pedaling and it was bad. You're allowed to
take people out. You're allowed, especially with young players that
(07:45):
you're gonna keep, to take him out and go, hey, dude,
this wasn't good. Take a breath and watch. That's a veteran,
same offensive line, same game plan. Let's see what he does,
see how he controls it. That's called coaching, And what
irritates the crap out of every coach and most people
in sports is when something that has nothing to do
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with coaching gets thrust in front of you. You don't have
to blame, you don't have to split the minutes, you
don't have to split the reps. And by the way,
I'm not a quarterback guru. I don't know. I can
tell you that I did watch. I watched every step.
Dylan Gabriel was remarkably better. And I've never been a
Dylan Gabriel guy. I do think he has a fairly
(08:28):
low ceiling because he doesn't have a big arm. He
is little. But you know what, played really well in
both of his preseason appearances. So why would they set
him up to fail?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No, do I think that that Stefanski loves to set
up I'm sure he hates it. I'm sure it's like
the rest of us. We roll our eyes and it's ridiculous.
And you have these sick of fans, like, how do
we get to this place where Shador Sanders is now
Colin Kaepernick? I don't know, like explain. You know, his
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son of a pro went to private schools, had private training,
had his dad as his coach, was arrogant, and treated
a lot of people who played with him or around
them poorly. Despite that, he had some success, mostly at
Jackson State, some at Colorado. Goes to the draft and
rubs everybody the wrong way with his pre draft attitude
(09:30):
and his willingness to show complete disdain for teams he
didn't want to play with, and the teams that he
did want to play for didn't want him. So he
follows to the fifth round of the draft. You're in
the National Football League also known as NFL. Not for long,
and there's modest change at times in his persona. Then
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he plays poorly. Right again, all you have to ask
Shannon Sharp and again and just ask him did he
play well? Forget about the players around him? Did he
play well? And if he says he didn't have a chance,
that's fine. I've watched those videos of those sacks, he
stepped back instead of up into the pocket. He could
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take a knee, he could dirt a ball, he could
throw to his hot he chose not to do so. Like,
stop making it about something, it's not that it's about.
Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked about that after the game.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things.
But you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean, yeah, I think you cut him, You cut
him unless the owner says you cannot do it. And
I know they haven't done it yet. I just I think,
and the fact that they haven't cut him, by the way,
is the greatest sign of their actual belief in him
(11:07):
as a player. Because if I'm coaching there and you're like, okay,
he's my at best, my third third best quarterback right now. Okay,
So I'm going to get pressure from fanboys that don't
watch or care or whatever. I'll get some social media pressure.
I'll get some media pressure to talk about him, to
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play him, to whatever when he's at best third on
the depth chart. Okay, best third in the depth chart,
and if you do play him now, you can't really
ever replace him. Think about it. You put him in
there and he played like crap. And the takeaway for
(11:51):
some people is you made him play like crap. Imagine
if he goes into an actual Browns game, if he
plays well, people will go crazy. If he plays poorly,
people will go crazy, but they're not gonna blame him.
I don't know how we got there. I don't I
(12:13):
don't understand. Like it's if it was about race, then
why they just cut Snoop Huntley, Like nobody mentioned Stup
Puntley's black, by the way, way more experienced they cut him. Yeah,
I'd love this. I'd love at some point, Jay Sue,
maybe next year when you come to one of our games,
(12:34):
you can track why I take certain players out. I
do that with their parents all the time. I had
one of my kids who left the dad's like, why
you took him out for this? You took him out
for that. I was like, WHOA, No, I didn't, No,
I didn't you took him out of a mistake, Like no, no, no, no, Nope, Nope.
(12:56):
Didn't take guy out for one mistake. The mistake you
you saw that you recognized, that's one. But there was
probably a bunch of coaching on things you were supposed
to do that you didn't do. You didn't do well.
You took him out because he missed a shot, and
I'm like, no, I didn't. He took a bad shot,
and he didn't get back on defense, and they didn't talk.
Then he picked up the wrong guy. Then he didn't
(13:17):
box out, then he didn't get out run, and then
he turned the ball over and then you know, it's
like you see one, I see a bunch of things.
So I would the one piece of advice I could
give to Kevin Stefanski is you can't show people video
(13:38):
and say what here, this is what we're really looking at.
There is a way, and we use an analytics company.
And one of the reasons, the best reason for using
this analytics company called HCI, is that it it takes
away the need for confrontational arguments. You know, a parent
has an opinion about a kid and you're like, he's
just not very good defensively. Can you show me where
(13:59):
I have us do the print out and there's something
called defensive leverage. He has the worst defensive leverage on
the team. Well, what's that mean? That means that we
are at our worst defensively when your son is on
the floor. That's why he's not gonna play. I'm sure
there's a man on legal data to back it up.
Show it to them. But if you ever want to
(14:20):
know why sor Sanders, if and when gets cut by
the Browns will be hard to sign, this week is
your This week will be your reason. These couple of
days of your reason.
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(15:25):
how you doing after a wild weekend when the Dodgers
staved off a sweep and ended up sneaking out at
Petco yesterday?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You're surviving, surviving. Yeah, I'm not paying it, guy, but
I just looked at it. In total, we had six
games against the Podreys in two weeks. We took four
of six, and now it's tied a top of the division,
and the Dodgers have won the series. So if it
comes down to a tie on the season, the Dodgers
will get the division title.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So you're more confident now.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I was never unconfident.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I was coming.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I was never at a point where I have a
ton of issues with Andrew Freeman and this team. That
never changes if we're winning or losing.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Wow, forty nine on the year, Jay su didn't you
say he was going to fall off there second half
of the year. I mean, it was a logical, reasonable
conclusion that a guy who plays catcher doesn't play dh
is going to fall off.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But he is not, is not much to my surprise.
Good for him, by the way.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, really good for him. It's a Doug Gottlieb show
here on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's welcome in Zach Jackson.
He covers the Browns and the NFL for the athletic
He joins his so on Fox Sports Radio. Zach, what's
the reality to how Shadoor played yesterday or this weekend?
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Well, it was bad and it was kind of an
outlier in most of his performances. Tell you the truth.
I mean, the talent's obvious, but I think it's always
been obvious that he's not ready. You know, some people
wanted to deny that, and if you just watched the
first preseason game, maybe that went against that. Right, But
he's got a lot to clean up, and going back
(18:03):
to Roocky Minnie camp and going back to his college,
she would lose his footwork and he would struggle against
the rush and he would make bad decisions. So I
think the Browns know they have a really talented passer
on their hands. I think the Browns know that they
kind of have a mess on their hands that they
signed up for right by doing this, and nothing about
really the four main competition went in the straight line.
(18:26):
And I don't know. I mean, they've put out every
feeler that they're going to keep all four at least
for a while. But Shador is clearly forced, and I
think that was probably always the most likely result.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's not even considering Deshaun Watson, who is still in
our contract.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Yeah, so until yesterday, of the ninety guys on their
camp roster, six were quarterbacks. So this is unprecedented and
it's probably incompetence too. I mean, and that's the Browns
for twenty five years. But that's the situation they're in.
They're stuck with Deshaun Watson's contract. The best way out
is to find their own rock party, which would be
like round pick who makes it. Shador might do it,
(19:02):
but it's just not happening right now.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, you know, or Dylan Gabriel. I think Dylan Gabriel
has been a surprise. I mean, most people I know
thought third round too high for Dylan Grabriel, and yet
he's looked really good. But can can he play actual
NFL quarterback?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Yeah? I wouldn't be fooled by those two preseason games.
Third round is too high for Dylan Gabriel, but he's
going to get a chance, and he's going to get
the first chance. Doug. I think it's eleven times since
they came back in ninety nine that they've played at
least three starting quarterbacks over the course of a year.
And sign him up for twelve and twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What do you make of this sudden narrative that Stefanski
is setting him up to fail?
Speaker 7 (19:42):
Yeah, that's kind of ridiculous. Now, the one thing that's
in question is the two minute dril when they took
him out, and so there's only two ways to look
at that. One is that he was so bad during
the rest of it that they were saving him from himself,
and one is that they didn't want to put him
out there and let him get hot. So the second
one kind of sounds ridiculous, But that's the only kind
(20:03):
of question. Slash Gray area. I guess about that day,
he just wasn't very good and where Dylan Gabriel went
in and made the read and got rid of the
ball quickly. She ordered him do that and consistently got
himself in trouble. But that is really strange because you
have an investment in this guy and it's a preseason game.
Who cares if he fails?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
His bide language started to start to go bad. I
actually I thought the bid language is like get get
him out, And he got stup Huntley and he throws
stup Puntley a bone. Now he's got some more some
more tape, not that he necessarily need a board tape,
but it's the to anyone who says, hey, he couldn't
move the ball behind the line. I know there's defensive
penalties there, but Stup Huntley was perfectly fine moving the
(20:43):
ball down the field.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah he was. I would tell you this, Doug of
twenty to twenty five days a camp, the best throw
of the day, more times than anybody else, was made
by Shodwar Sanders. But there were also a couple of
days where that body language was really familiar to what
you saw after that. So he just got to grow up,
that's all. And there's nothing wrong with that. His career
is not going to be defined by one good night
(21:04):
in Carolina against second and third teamers or one bad
day against the Rams fourth teamers. Right, Like, he's a
talented kid, he's just not there.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yet, agreed, But the will he grow up when anytime
you open your phone and you don't play well or
your buy the language isn't good, half of the world
acts like it's somebody else's fault.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Yeah, Now that comes down to what he does right
and how he handles it. And he's going to enter
a brave new world because he's either going to get
you know, at best, half the scout team opportunities. So
he's got to get in that meeting room and show
he can get better. He's got to perform over the
next months as Joe Burrow as Lamar Jackson as Jordan
love right in these practices, and he's got to keep
(21:55):
himself ready for November or later when he gets his chance.
I mean, I think for the first month of the season,
barring something crazy, I think you're going to see four
on the roster. I think eventually a natural chance to
trade one of the veterans will come up. You know,
I don't think the Gabriel or Schador would be moved.
That would be surprising. And then it just said history
says he's going to play, and the situation says he's
(22:17):
going to play. And if there's one quote that matters
from all of training camp, it's the owner saying we
need to see the rookies play this year. And the
head coach knows that, and he said that on about
the fifth day of camp, and that's going to follow
this team through the reality of the situation all the
way through.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Steut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, we're talking
not just Brown's the rest of the NFL. With Zach Jackson,
who joins us Okay let let's let's keep it in
that division. What are reports on Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers? Right,
they were a quarterback away last year. Now you get
as good a possible quarterback who's out there on paper,
(22:56):
but he's older. He wasn't great the whole year last year.
And it's a totally news system.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Yeah. If Pittsburgh's defense is good, they're going to be
really good. I mean, I liked Aaron Rodgers fitt and
I think you said it well, like how could they
have done better? So? Can he hold up and he
and Arthur Smith and DK Metcalf, you know, find the
right notes to be on the same page at what
they want to do and how they can do it.
Can they develop a second receiver? Do they have to
(23:24):
use the tight ends? It's crazy there's this division. There's
two absolutely elite quarterbacks and there's two guys forty plus
and Flacco's temporary in Cleveland. Everybody knows that. But Rodgers
are supposed to get Pittsburgh to January and they've been
getting there. Right. We know this team can win ugly,
they just can't win the big ones so or winning
the playoffs. I give the Steelers every chance. I think
(23:47):
this division is wide open among the three teams that
aren't the Browns. You know, I think Baltimore obviously is
the best because of their roster and because of their quarterback.
But I think the Steelers and Bengals things go their
way or legitimate you know, finge contenders in the AFT.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
What about the Bengals. Can they stop anybody?
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Not so far? You know, I think it'll be a
thirty one to thirty type game Week one in Cleveland.
But you know, if they can just get a couple
of stops, they can win. Burrows is truly that good,
he really is. And they need to get the Tray
Hendrickson thing resolved like yesterday, right, but they got to
t Higgins sing at least temporarily resolved. Jase Brown is
(24:25):
a nice back. If they can keep Burrow clean at all,
then he's going to go nuclear.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know, I think there's a lot of interesting teams
out there. The Rams were you know a lot of
people like the Rams roster, like what they've done. And
then yeah, Matt Stafford, who two years ago we were
told the back made leading to retire. Then you know,
they play in the Snow Game last year in Philly,
so we have no idea what that would have looked like,
(24:54):
although we know they wouldn't be able to stop Saque.
What are your thoughts on not just the but their
ability to have matt Stafford play the majority of the season.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the question, right, Can
Adams and Stafford be healthy for almost all of it
or all of it? Whoka has been banged up, but
he's phenomenal. I mean, I think if that offense is
unlocked and healthy, that they can go. And I think
when you look at the playoffs, they're the one team
it was in it with the Eagles for the course
of the game. So it's an interesting situation there because
(25:24):
if Stafford does get hurt, it'll be time for them
to move on. But they seem to be pretty close
to all in. And this is a mysterious month. This
is Matthew Stafford at this stage of his career, really
need all of training camp. Probably not, Probably would have
liked to have him to have had more than he
actually has though, right, So we'll see. But I think
that's a team that I think that's another interesting division, right,
(25:46):
But the Rams are a team that they should think
they can be back in January. If those guys can
stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
In your mind, has the league caught up to the
Cancity Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
I think in a way. Sure, I think they've obviously
had some struggles offensively, but that's why they draft the
left tackle in the first round. I think Xavi your
worthies and an intriguing guy. And you know, I don't
think anybody knows for sure what's going to happen with
for she Rice, but he obviously has been a playmaker
when he's healthy, So I don't know. I debated in
the Super Bowl do you ever bet against mahomes Well
(26:19):
in that day? If you did, you were right. You know.
I still think there's a pretty strong chance that they
win the AFC West and they're there at the end
and it goes through them. And if you'd be given
their experience and given myhome's talent level, I won't be
a surprise if they're the team everybody's chasing again.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Awesome stuff, man Zach. Really appreciate it having you on.
Can't wait to talk more as the season gets gets going.
Look forward to reading more your work in the athletic
Thanks for being our guests on Fox Sports. It's Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Radio.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Dah, I'm going to Youngstown State Thursday night for football,
and the next time I'm there it'll be to see
you guys.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Ah awesome, awesome. I just I have the embargoed schedule,
so I do know and we huh, I'll send it
to you. Go see the Gwinns. Thanks for me, I
guess appreciate Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
Jay Stu. How do we deal with prediction season? How
(27:14):
do we deal with it? I mean, obviously we're not
going to do the prediction things, but people do it.
I know you want to talk about in the pod
when we have a little bit more time. But the
next ten days are like really prediction season, and like
everyone does it. And the weird part about it is
like lists and predictions get you the most clicks on
social media, Like if I really wanted to grow my
TikTok page or my Instagram page, I should just do
(27:38):
lists every day. And people that the numbers don't lie.
How do we combat that?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah? I mean, I don't know if lists or predictions
gets you the most quicks. I think being interesting gets
you in the most quicks.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Being under I think, but that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, No, I think the people that offer off the best
content get the most quicks. But my stance on prediction season,
if I'm ever to run a network, I would ban predictions.
And you're like, what, you can't talk about who's gonna
win the next game? Exactly? How about this talk about
what has happened? Put a lot of work into thinking
(28:14):
about something interesting about what already has happened, and then
give your listeners that. Because predictions are just empty calories
and lazy segments. Every time I see a segment dedicated
to predictions, I think, oh, somebody's mailing it in, namely
the entire producing staff and hosts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't enjoy it. I really don't, but that's I'll
be We also don't do it, you know, we can
just not do it, but people do, like, I mean really,
big time radio hosts will do it. TV hosts will
do it. I don't understand it. I don't. I don't
(28:58):
get the value of it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It's easy, and it serves the ego of the host.
It doesn't serve the viewer or the wistener.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I never thought about this serving the ego of the host. Interesting,
you know, I'd say most hosts probably think this is
what viewers want. Now, whether they do or they don't. Again,
that's the assumption. That was my assumption that I was,
you know, I was making. Is everything I've been told?
Is you know lists or what what lists or what
(29:27):
brings a number?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Okay? Sure, it doesn't mean I have to do it. Deserve.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. M m mmm, oh god,
we're talking a lot about the Browns and they stink.
I'm just ready to just talk talk about good teams. Maybe. Well,
let's let's get to Mansi blogna some play game months.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right there, what do you got.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
We're gonna start this week with big deal, little deal,
no deal. That's right, Coach, You're gonna tell me whether
things are a big deal, little deal or no deal.
Let's get it going here, big deal, little deal, no deal. Michigan,
The Wolverines have reportedly named freshman true freshman Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
As their starting quarterback. Is this a big deal, A
little deal, no deal.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I mean it's Michigan, right, so yeah, I guess it's
a big deal. I just I can't tell you. I'm
so invested in Michigan football I care who they're starting
quarterback is, that's all.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah, I'll go little deal, little deal.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
You just don't hear that very often, right, true freshman
getting the starting job like that, You really don't.
Speaker 9 (31:00):
All right, let's move on here. Let's move on to
a little baseball coach. Big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The Padres took two of the three from the Dodgers
this weekend. There is now a tie atop the NL West,
and we've got what a month left if that?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think it's a big deal. Yeah, I think it's
a big deal. I mean, like, look, I understand the
Dodgers went in there and won big games last year
to help turn around that turn around that series. But
I would also tell you that I do think home
field advantaged matters. Yea, how you finished matters They're gonna
likely play against the other in the playoffs. Yeah, so yeah,
(31:42):
I think it's a little deal, not a big deal.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Okay, all right, I'm with Jason, though I did breathe
a sigh of relief.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
Okay, well we're gonna stick with this a little bit.
But big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
The Yankees avoided the sweep at home against the Red Sox,
but they've fallen to third place in their division. They
fall into the second wald card spot in the AL
and it's a little bit tight, like they got to
get it together and the Yankees are If you're a
Yankee fan, I'm sorry because the mental mistakes that they
make are mistakes that you should not be making for
(32:14):
a professional team that was just in the World Series.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
So a big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Uh, which part? There was a bunch of there?
Speaker 9 (32:22):
So do you think it's a big deal?
Speaker 8 (32:24):
They fall into third place in their division because the
Red Sox kind of took over this weekend. They did
avoid the sweep, they did avoid the sweep, but now
they're in the second wild card spot in the AL
and it is a tight race they.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Could fall out of a big deal. Yeah, it's a
big deal.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
A lot of pressure there, a lot of pressure there.
Got to perform. It's a big deal.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
It is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
My favorite theme on on Twitter now and it's replaced
the Angel Reese guy. So I think Angel Reese has
been injured. I don't know that for a fact, because
I don't she.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
Came back recently, like just came back, but she was gone.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yes, So replacing the guy that plays all of her
missus and overreacts to them. I love the Anthony Vulpi
guys on Twitter. Anthony Volpi makes an amazing diving play here,
saves a run, and it's always one of the worst judgment,
Like it's always a mental mistake and a throwing mistake,
and it's like he's awful at shortstop. How could that
(33:17):
team have made it to the World Series in the
way to do?
Speaker 8 (33:19):
Seriously, and it's not even just him, Jason, Like the
mental mistakes just all around.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
You're just like nobody's being held accountable.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Okay, I'm gonna hold Jason here accountable because I'll never
forget what he said about cal Rawley participating in the
home run derby. Big deal, little deal, no deal that
cal Raley? Is it forty eight and forty nine home run?
Well number eight, forty eight, number forty nine. This all
happened yesterday Sunday on the season, setting a major League
record for catchers in a single season. Big deal, little deal,
no deal.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's a big deal. It's never never had before in
major league basics, never Major League Baseball is going been
going on.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
For more than a minute, which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Big deal, big deal, big deal.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
And Seattle can use that because they're trying, you know,
to get deep into the playoffs this year.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Here, all right, let's move on here.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Big deal, little deal, no deal coach that the Cleveland
Browns have waived quarterback.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
Pro Bowl quarterback Tyler Hutting late.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Uh, it's a little deal. I mean, it's no deal.
Everybody knew who's gonna get a cut, So they just
need a lot of other live arm.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
M hm because of the injuries.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yea, yeah, banged up and also just a lot of
reps for some of their guys at practice. So yeah,
Holley's a pros pro. I mean, even shoudor Sanders, you know,
credit him with, you know, kind of learning. And here's
the guy who's been through a lot of a lot
of stuff and you know obviously came with a great attitude,
which is what you have to do if you want
to stay in the league, especially you're not a starter.
(34:45):
So yeah, I it's a it's a little deal, but
I do think it speaks to like, again, that's the
job of the backup quarterback. Sometimes you're even gonna get
cut and you know it, and you still have to
come in with a great attitude. So no deal we play.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Can we play a little Explain your tweet? It's a
sidebar game to the games. Explain your tweet, Okay. Doug
Gottlieb yesterday sixteen hours ago, quote tweeted Schefter's announcement of
this news story. Ty Huntley has been released. If we
want to do a quote life ain't fair, then we
(35:21):
should do just should discuss Snoop Huntley. Yeah, what do
you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, I mean here, Stupe Huntley came in right, and
I understand that he knew he wasn't very very unlikely
to remain with the team. But in the same game,
with the same line, and he has played more football
in the NFL. He's played football in the NFL. Then
he's been a Pro bowler than Shadoor Sanders. It's like, again,
(35:47):
life's not fair that he's probably a better quarterback. If
the Cleveland brownsie to a quarterback for Sunday, who's a
better option stoop Huntley or Shore.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Sanders probably snoop.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So what we get from people is the it's not
fair that Shadoor Sanders is playing with four stringers. Like, okay,
it's also not fair to stup Puntley. But he didn't
complain about it. He went out and played. That's my
that's my point.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Yeah, all right, a couple more of your coach that
I've got for you. A big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
You know, was Week zero in college football and a
video circulated on social media, So big deal, little deal,
no deal that the father and brother of Kansas State
quarterback Avery Johnson got into a fight after there came
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Uh, big deal. I know, it's not funny that team lost,
Your team lost, and your dad and brother are are
rolling brawling in the streets. Like what.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
When I saw the video, I didn't know was the
father and son. I thought it was just like fans upset.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
And then when it came out there was a father
and son, I was like, oh.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
No, yeah, this poor quarterback Avery Johnson. Like now you're
gonna have to You're gonna have to talk about this.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
I mean, I mean, you're gonna have to it's gonna
be addressed.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Weren't we confused? I don't know if you guys went
through this this exact uh thought process. But father and
brother of Avery Johnson fight after Kansas State. I'm like, WHOA,
I didn't know Avery Johnson had a son who played
quarterback at Kansas State. Elmer Spurs champion Avery Johnson. And
then you dive a little deepener and it's not so.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It was very conviced Avery Johnson, the little General.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
I think that's game time.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, let's let's get into it. In regards to our weekend.
Would you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from
the weekend? The sports weekend? I mean, I guess you
could do all, but we do this every Monday. So Ryan,
you're gonna have to come up with something he loved,
and MONSI, you're gonna have to come up with something
you hated because you love everything. Mons Right, Jay Stu
(38:14):
gotta come up with something he loved because he hates
everything as well. So that's the plan. I need you
guys all think about it himself. What'd you love from
the weekend of sports? What'd you hate from the weekend
of sports, We'll share with you our thoughts next and
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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