March 21, 2018 • 55 mins
Doug thinks the Browns owner showing up to Sam Darnold's pro day when he's throwing in the rain are all signs of what's to come in the NFL draft. NBA Champion Caron Butler comes in studio to talk about his new show on FOX Sports Radio, if the Warriors are still the team to beat in the NBA, and whether Trae Young made the right decision by leaving early for the NBA Draft. Plus RJ Bell from Pregame.com joins the show to give some gambling insight on the Sweet 16 games in the NCAA Tournament.
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This is the best of the Doug gottli Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, Coming to you from the soggy city
of Los Angeles, California. Fascinating to me, having spent a
twelve of the last fourteen years in the Nutmeg state.
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They have a northeaster Somewhere between five and five inches
and five ft of snow will drop at some point
in time today in southern New England, and yet here
we get a couple inches of reigning California, and the mayor,
the governor, the police chief, the fire chief, all on
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television saying stay calm, there's nothing to fear. It is
water from the sky that we call rain. Obviously, it's
made a little bit more severe because there were some huge,
huge fires, and when you have fires, that means there's
no having to hold the mud back, and you can
have mud slides. But generally, those of us who have
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lived outside of the state of California or southern California
understand that the water that falls from the sky is
actually a good thing, a normal thing that is that
can be dealt with. We're on the eve of the
Sweet sixteen. Not a ton of buzz to the Sweet sixteen.
We did drop The All Ball podcast well did drop
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early today. You can download that once on the Herd
Now podcast family of shows or whatever. Check us out
on Facebook, on Twitter, wherever you download podcasts. A bunch
of things to get to Today will preview those games.
Will also discuss coaching changes in coaching jobs. Here's one
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that's interesting to me. Danny Hurley played at Seaton Hall.
He's reportedly been offered the head coaching job at both
pitt and Yukon, two former Big East foes. Neither it's
in the Big East and neither to be kept better
because of it. He could also return to Rhode Island.
In the pros and cons list, where where does he go?
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What does he decide? And how does that shift the
coaching carousel in college basketball. David Pageant, who is the
interim head coach, intermed coach, former Rock Petino player at
at at Kentucky. David Pageant was the interne head coach
at Louisville, was just told he would not be retained.
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Of course, most people think that Louisville will try and
get Chris Mack to come out over from Cincinnat It's
about an hour and a half away. Would Chris mc
leaves Cincinnati for what would would seemingly be double his
money to coach at Louisville. Remember, he played at Xavier.
He also played at Evansville, but he transferred Xavier played
at Xavier. So there's a lot a lot to that
that that's interesting in college basketball coaching. Of course, the
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games are tomorrow. Last night, James Harden has whatte and
the Rockets do what no one had done in like
a month, which is beat the Portland Trailblazers. Some m
v P talk, I'll at some point the show will
get to when did the m v P of the
NBA becomes such a big thing that we care about.
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I thought you play to win the game. But today
was Today was the Pro Day at USC, and look
at USC, you got a pro day. And the day started,
guys with their shirts off, sun was shining. It was beautiful,
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Sam Donald dropping back through an absolute Rockets to his
wide receivers. But then the clouds came in and the
rain began to fall, and Sam Donald still through by
all accounts, p after p after p after p just
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and then you look in the stands, and there's Jimmy Haslum,
he's the owner of the Cleveland Browns, and he saddled
up talking to the donald family Ma pau just in
from Saint Clemente, and you started to think H meant
to be right. The Browns of course traded for Tyrod Taylor,
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which when it happened, I told you this doesn't mean
they're not going to draft a quarterback. It means they're
gonna draft a developmental quarterback. Yes, the Browns and John
Dorsey have learned from their past. They are almost forced
to draft a quarterback at number one overall, not just
because at two, maybe at three, definitely at you know,
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and then at five and at six you got the
potential for quarterback needing teams to either trade up, which
has already happened at three, or to continue to try
and trade up. Plus the Giants, look, they could go
they never draft this high, they could go get a quarterback.
And so while they have absolutely learned from their past,
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passing on Carson Wins you know the story and how
many quarterbacks the Cleveland Browns have passed on the past
couple of years. Now, they passed on Teddy Bridgewater twice.
Um they passed on Derek Carr the past. You know
all this, The fact is that because of what they
have done or maybe more importantly not done in the past,
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they have to draft quarterback to that this draft, on
the other hand, we all take lessons that we've learned
from our previous stops. John Dorsey comes to the Cleveland
Browns from Kansas City, and Kansas City has had what
by all accounts, appears to be, you know, until games
are played, a seamless transition. Last year they drafted, they
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traded up and drafted Pat Mahomes at number ten. Mahomes
set the world on fire in the preseason. They didn't
play him a down until they got two weeks event
teen and they were set in the playoffs. Then they
played him. He played well. They went through the playoffs.
They did with the Chiefs always do in the playoffs,
which is get a big lead, choke it away, and
then start pointing fingers. They jettison Alex Smith and now
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Pat Mahomes is their quarterback. And if what past is
president president, then it's a good precedent for John Dorsey.
Tyrod Taylor is fine. You can actually go to the
playoffs with Tyrod Taylor, if the rest of the team
around you. The issue with frankly with Carson Wentz, and
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we all look at Carson Wentzi. Why didn't you draft
Carson Wentz? Because Carson Wentz wouldn't have been allowed to
become Carson Wentz had he been on those Browns team.
He got injured this year scrambling, he would have been
gotten injured the previous year running for dear life. And
so the plan is starting to come together. And if
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you're gonna develop the draft a developmental guy, it's not
gonna be Baker Mayfield, he's kind of already eloped. It's
not gonna be Josh Rosen, he's kind of already developed.
It's gonna be one of two guys. It's gonna be
Josh Allen who's behind, or Sam Donald who's a little
bit behind, only twenty years old, only started what a
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season in three quarters? And I don't know if you
guys are a signs signs everywhere as signs sort of guy.
But I am. And when Sam Donald's that is pro
day and Jimmy has them's there and Mom and Pod
Donald are up there and stands and MAM's knitting a
sweater I made the last part of She's got a
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hot cup of tea. She offers another cup of tea
for jim Mr hassm, Mr hassup comes sit next to us.
Dad's reading the paper. I don't know how it's reading
outside and nobody actually buys paper anymore. Somehow, there's a fireplace,
two rocking chairs, corn cob pipe. You understand, You get
the image, and oh, Jimmy has them, comes up and says,
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nice to meet you. Love your son, like to know
more about his upbringing. Then it starts to rain, because
the big question is you take a kid from southern California,
how is he going to handle the fact that Cleveland, Well,
it sucks. Otherwise it just does. Yes. Oh, and it's
not like they play in the garden spots of America
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when they play on the road. No offense to our
affiliates in Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati, but no one says,
hey can't wait to see how you how you like
enjoying the weather here in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Baltimore. I've
told you before that Donald being from San Clementi makes
me want to draft him more than Rosen being from
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Manhattan Beach, Sant Clementi is a little bit more real,
a little bit more blue collar, a place that people
are from, whereas Manhattan Beach is a place where you
moved to. And everybody's got cash, whether they're born with it,
inherited it, married into it, or made it really early
in life. Like he seems like our kind of guy.
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The owner got up on his private plane, the entire
coaching staff came there and oh yeah, by the way,
it starts raining midway through his throwing session. I'm just
meant to be just feels that way. Here's Sam Donald
after the performance. It's just a job interview to be
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honest with you. And then just coming out here and
I thought, I, honestly, I showed them the best version
of myself. Um. I've been training really hard for this day,
and I thought, I thought I did really well, just
like how I would train for any other game, being
able to meet all these coaches. Um, I'm really just
living out my dream. Anytime, you know, days get hard, Uh,
you know, especially at the combine when you're up at
you know, four am for a drug test and you
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gotta stay up late in meetings. Um, you just think
about where else would I rather be? And that's kind
of what I think about um during those moments. I mean,
come on, forget about wanting to draft a kid. You
want to marry him, don't you. He's not even complaining
about a drug test. He was like, man, you know
sometimes you gotta stand for him for a drug test.
Part of the part of the deal. You know, you
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almost feel like he's gonna go putty cut of support
the team. I don't know if you believe in meant
to be. I don't know if you believe in signs,
signs everywhere signs. But I sure as he'll do and
rain midway through Sam Donald's pro day, when the owner
of the Cleveland Browns who just so happened to own
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the number one pick, and the kid answers every question
the right way and everyone knows he needs time to develop.
He's okay sitting for a season because you got Tyrod Taylor.
If that in a sign or a series of them,
I don't know what is. And with the first pick
in the NFL Draft, you are Cleveland Browns have found
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Feels like Mike mccagnet and the Jets are shopping hungry.
Everyone thought the Jets were going to purge their general manager,
purged their head coach after they were going to tank
this past season. Right like, when you look at the Jets,
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rosher like, dude outside of the Browns don't know how
they could how they could not finish in last place,
and they were kind of surprising. They end up having
the sixth pick in the draft, which of course subsequently
they moved up to the third pick in the draft.
And think about it, they gave up three second round
picks to this year one next year to move up
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three spots in the draft to take a quarterback. Now, maybe,
just maybe they know or knew before today that the
the Browns were going to draft Sam Donalds. It feels
like Sam Donald's the guy just feels that way, doesn't
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doesn't it. But unless they have incredible foresight, unless they
have a mole in the Browns organization and in the
Giants organization. Remember they're not picking first. I mean, this
is a group, whatever group is making the decision with
the Jets. It's the same one that drafted them a
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quarterback out of Penn State who was wildly erratic, and
two years in, no one thinks he has a shot
to be the start of this year. So much so
they just signed two other quarterbacks. It's one of those
what in the hell are they doing now? Maybe, just
maybe they think they're the Philadelphia Eagles, because if you remember,
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two years ago, the Philadelphia Eagles did the exact same thing.
Do you guys remember, Okay, two years ago the Eagles
changed coaching staffs and Doug Peterson was named a head coach.
Doug Peterson brought with him, Uh, what's the shay? What's
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the little quarterback from by? The backup in Kansas City?
Was the backup in Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel. Yes, I
I got lost in his name. Chase Daniel, missour form
Missouri quarterback. Chase Daniel was a Doug Peterson guy. He
was Doug Peterson's back up with the with the Chiefs.
When Doug Peterson came over, he brought him with him
to be the backup. Now he's a backup. I'm gonna
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stay with the Bears, right, did he just signed with
the Bears, so they had Chase Daniel and remember they
resigned Sam Bradford to like a thirteen million dollar a
year deal for two years. People like, what are they doing?
Then they traded up and drafted Carson Wentz and they
just so happened to luck into the fact that the
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Vikings lost Teddy Bridgewater before they ever played a game,
and so they got a first round draft pick for
Sam Bradford and the rest, as they say, is history. Right,
here's the problem. One, the Jets are depending on good luck.
How often is that like it happened, especially to the Jets.
And Two, they had a chance to kind of replenish
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themselves with a bunch of second round picks. Now they can't,
so they're leaving it to chance. I mean, it's crazy
mccagnet parted with those precious draft capital. That's minish. Meta
from the New York Daily News said, two second round
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picks this year, thirty seven second round picks. It's about
aft shot whether or not they're gonna be starters. The
Jets overpaid and now they need some divine intervention. Now
they need a little bit of luck. And this from mccagnon,
who his previous quarterback selection was Christian Hackenburg. That does
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not bode well for the Jets. But the biggest thing
is whoever they think they want to have as their
starting quarterback, they don't know if he'll be there because
they didn't trade up for the number one pick. That
didn't trade up for the number two pick. They traded
up for the number three pick. In the best case
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scenario for the Jets, they get their second best option.
And when you're struggling to make a decision to begin with,
and you feel pressure to get a quarterback even though
you already have too relatively fairly competent guys, and you
shed away any sort of draft pick help in the
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second round, I mean like, look, they could have used
that first round draft pick and they could have gotten
additional picks, and they could have loaded up and said, hey, look,
six isn't good enough for us, We'll draft a guy
later on. In the meantime, we'll roll with the fact
that we have to fairly competent starting quarterbacks were at
a talent deficit. It feels to me like a plan
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that is flawed, to say the least, really really flawed,
Like John Dorsey's going, Hey, you know what, we got
a bunch of draft picks, but we don't have to.
We can still trade away draft picks. We can still
keep loading up. But let's trade away some of these picks.
Let's get some guys that can help us right now.
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Let's trade for a quarterback that can start in meantime.
I'm gonna sit a guy for a year, much like
we just did in Kansas City. You're like, you know what,
it's not a terrible plan, especially considering the Cleveland Brown's
offensive line lost their Hall of Fame left tackle. No
matter what you think, they're gonna look like. You've got
no idea without their leader, without their sergeant holka Um,
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without Joe Um, Joe Thomas coming back. It feels like
I can't blom saying this. Cleveland's better run than the Jets.
I just it feels like, now it doesn't mean it's
gonna work out that way. The man. And let's say
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they go and get a Josh Rosen, who everybody thinks
it's ready to play. You got these other chet Josh
mc county will be a good backup. He'll be fine
no matter what you do. I'll beat a little bit overpaid,
like what do you do with Teddy Bridgewater? H weird plan?
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That's getting up early in the morning, so it's nine
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Tuesday Night I was last night's Yeah, Tuesday Night I
was watching last last night, Were you really man? That finished?
Was crazy? And then you hopped on hopped on the
last flight out of what first flight? First thing this morning,
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First thing, All right, I want to talk to you
about I want to I want to talk to you
about the game last night. But anyway you can so
you can check him out on on Turner and then
listen to him here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's let's
talk about the thunder before we get to the ending
of that game. Um Like, Look, I know there's been
some ups and downs. I know Paul George sends some
great things around the year, but they're about where we
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thought they would be, and they're only where you thought
they'd be, like the fourth seed in the West. But
this is with Kauai out most of the year. This
is with the Warriors having all kinds of injuries and
just being disinterested, like kind of interesting. I can't figure
out whether they've underachieved, overachieved, or rightfully achieved. They're they're
exactly where, you know, me personally, where I thought they
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would be, still trying to struggle to find their identity.
But at the same time, I think Russell Westbrook has
done an amazing job of balancing the scoring, the rebounding
and the dominance of playing with two superstars still in
Paul George and Carmelo Anthony. Is Carmelo Anthony is still
a superstar. Yeah, he's still a star in his league.
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Like he's more than capable. And the thing that's, you know, interesting,
is that he's not being featured no longer. And it's
it's necessary because you have Paul George and Russell plan
at an amazing pace. So you know, he needs to
be that guy that needs to play, you know, somewhat
more with that set can unit where he can massage
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the ball and do his things. So he needs to
be out there with Grant Felton and he can be featured.
And he's still capable of doing certain things. I mean,
he averaged twenty plus points last season. He's still averaging
I think sixteen and a half plus right now. And
he's playing with you know, Russell Westbrook, majority of them
men and Steven Adams and Paul George, and as it
lines out now, they would be on a collision course
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with the Houston Rockets. Like I think of of all
the kind of genius things, and I'm not sure how
intentional unintentional. I want to talk about the Warriors, but
the idea that the Warriors wouldn't have to see the
Thunder and unless the Thunder go through the Rockets, I
think would be perfect for that team because the Thunder
a team that have beating them Auber Thunder, a team
that can play big when they play small and kind
of rough them up. But listen, the Thunder is a
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scary team if they're clicking on all cylinders. But you know,
coach Donovan has said it when we sat down last night,
he has said, you know, most importantly, they want to
be playing good defensively, offensively. You know, you got players
that can win you a series. You've got Paul George,
who was a uper style, never been a number two guys,
been the number one guy Indiana his whole career. You
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know he can carry you through a series. We know
Russell Westbrooks brook can carry you through a series. Carmelo
Anthony is more than capable of having those moments, those
vintage moments and carrying you through a series. And that's scary.
You've got three guys that can carry you through a series.
And then Houston they're playing amazingly well. And the one
thing that benefits them is that they have a ton
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of confidence. And Chris Paul's playing amazingly Uh, he's healthy.
James Harden is the m v P second and none.
This is his year. He's playing exceptionally well. So it's
gonna be interesting to see what hot shakes up in
the Western Conference when you were playing. Was there in season.
It feels like this is very very recent, and some
of it is kind of ESPN doubling down and going
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all in on the NBA as opposed to in previous years.
It wasn't. It's it's kind of peaked in popularity the
last four or five years. I don't remember there being
this much season long discussion over the NBP. You played
in the league for a decade. What was it like
this when you play? I think it was more so
so on the back of my career. You had Steph
Curry that had the just the out of body performance
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season where he was just clicking on all cylinders, making everything,
and Lebron James is always in the discussion. So like
over the last three or four years, you have seen
the discussion starting earlier as the first quarter of the season,
where you're talking about the Greek freak, you're talking about
James Harden immediately because he's playing extremely well. You're talking
about Dame Lillard now in the back end of the season,
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and you're still talking about your fifth team. What Lebron
has been capable of doing. You know, his his performance
has been just amazing, averaging the triple double since All
Star Break. Uh still shooting the ball amazingly well, adding
dementias to his game. But you know, this season in particular,
I think it's hard to say that James Harden is
not the m v P. I'll throw a name out
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there you haven't mentioned. It is Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis
has led the league in scoring in the second half
of the year since the All Start break, and his
team is playing better than this without DeMarcus Cousins. And look,
I'm with you. I think that I think the Harden
is gonna win it, not just because of his performances
this year, but you could have seen him win it
to out the last three years anyway, right, and his
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team is gonna finish with the best record likely in
in the NBA. So I'm with you. Whether he's gonna
win it but how close should it actually be with
him and Anthony Davis. You know what, I feel like,
it's James Harden and then this. Now you've got Lebron, James,
Anthony Davis, and uh, Damon Lillard. That's the next wave,
that's the next conversation. I think we take Lebron for
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granted because he's been doing this consistently for so long. Uh,
seeing the rise of Anthony Davis and the Pelicans, the
reascertainties of you know, playing winning basketball and having a
shot to be in the playoffs, it seems like they're
gonna make it this season in spite of losing a
guy like Boogie. You know, that was something that was devastating,
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but they all rallied around him, you know, they really did,
and they're doing it because of him. You know, they're like, look,
you know, we're playing Inspire basketball because of you. And
then Dame Lillard. Just I don't think anyone will question
that he's a star or superstar again in this league.
You know, a guy that had been you know, um
over overlooked for so long. He's a perennial All Star,
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one of one of the best young spots in this
game of basketball. Karon Butler joining us in the Doug
Out Lip Show. You won NBA Championship, but I think
people remember you're hurt during the NBA Championship, right, and
that was supposed to be like a death death blow
because of your leadership on the floor. But there was
something special. Like you look at Dirk's career, as good
as it's been been, he's had like nine or ten
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first round exits in his career. That year was different.
That year was special. Can you can you make any
comparisons as obviously aside from the injury to you, the
that and the Houston year to which Houston's a team.
D'Antoni has lost early, James Harden has lost early, Chris
Paul his teams have lost early because of injury to
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everything kind of coming together and fitting right at the
right time. Golden States heard some of these things and
being a dream here for the Rockets. Listen. I think
that you know, timing is everything, and I think camaraderie
and and having momentum is key. You don't want to
fiz out too early and you don't want to do
it too soon. So like you look at what Houston
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is doing and they're playing their best basketball right now
and hopefully they can keep that momentum going into the
second half of the season. Right now, you look at
the Golden State Warriors, who's everyone's favorite. It's just the
injuries and things like that. Like we all know that
they're talented enough to win and run through the Western
Conference and be right back in the finals. But chemistry
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and rhythm and all that is very, very important. And
right now you have four All Stars guys that's not
out there playing. You question the health of Steph Curry
right now, even though that they say he's back to
full contact. Kevin Durant, that's extremely important. He has to
be it. You know, he's the guy that you go
through in the half court. Obviously they play off of him,
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and he draws the double teams and you got the
shotmakers and Clay and all the rest of the guy's
knocking shots down on the perimeter. But it's going to
be intriguing to see, and and and last, but not leave,
not least. You look at the Houston Rockets. They believe
that they can beat anyone. Right the story, the true
story of the underdog. Chris Paul never been into a
conference finals. This this is something he wants so desperately,
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and you know he's tuned out the noise, but he
definitely heard all the things and he wants to prove
all the doubters. Brow Caron Butler Johnny in studio. You
got a chancey Boston up close last night? Right, that
was crazy game where Oklama City could have ended at
the free to the line. They didn't. I guess Boston
screwed up to play and Moore still ends up hitting
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a crazy game winning three at the at the end
of the game. But remember this is a Boston team
that haven't had Gordon Heward the entire season. Kyrie missed
last night because of you no, no Jalen Brown. How
do they do it? Like it's easy to say, well,
well they got Brad Stevens, but like, come on, like, yes,
coaching does in fact matter some of it. His players
combined with coaching and belief, how have they been able
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to kind of maintain this pace in spite of the
fact haven't at Hayward and they've had so many other injuries. Yeah,
you know, sitting down with coach Brad Stevens yesterday, he
had said that point of emphasis is going to be
playing with sides. You know, so you got Greg Monroe,
you got Al Horford, and you got big guys with length,
and then you got Roso they're gonna play through those
guys as much as possible. And then the development of Tatum,
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he's been amazing, you know, a rookie, but a guy
has you know, season the moment, capitalizing on the moment,
and I think his development, you know, during the time
that Kyrie Irving and those guys are down and out.
You know, it's gonna pay extremely dividends going forward. If
you're a betting man, where does Lebron James play next year?
You know, I think Los Angeles, I really do. I
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think Los Angeles, depending on what the X it looked like.
Uh you know this season, I don't have them winning
the championship, possibly making it to the finals again, but
the road is going to be extremely tough. That The
reason why I say that is because, with all due respect,
you know, you look at Jordan Clarkson, you look at
you know, Nance and all those guys. The additions, These
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guys were second second string guys on their respective teams
coming in, so all of a sudden, you're gonna put
them in a in a space where now they have
to be consistent on a on a contender, And I
just think that's too quick of a light switch to
turn off for a young nucleus. And you know, it's
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it's demands playing with a guy like Lebron James, you know,
and the second best player playmaker. Lebron always had that playmaker,
and in Miami had Dwyane Wade, a healthy Dwyane Wade.
Now he goes back to Cleveland early he had Kyrie Irvin,
a guy that can close and get his shot grate
for others. And then now you look at the second
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best playmaker on that squad, it's probably Jordan Clarkson. Can
he be relied upon in the biggest moments? And I
love his game, huge fan of Jordan Clarkson, But this
is a different beast. This is a different animal, right.
It's the way It's one thing to get buckets off
the bench for a non playoff Laker team, it's a
whole other thing to do it in the NBA playoffs
when everything when when everyone has a scout on you,
(29:28):
every possession is more important. There's a lot more pressure.
And you got Lebron James who puts his own kind
of amount of pressure on you. All right, I want
to ask you about some of the college players who
are declaring because you also covered college games for ESPN
and for Spectrum Sports earlier this year. First, so let's
get to Dan Buyer before rejoined by Karen Butler. Dan,
what's going on sports? On? The NFL Competition Committee is
(29:49):
formulated a new rule, Well, I guess it's an old rule,
but they're clarifying the catch rule. Control of the football
is what a receiver needs. They also need two feet
down or a body part inbounds and a football move
and that will constitute a catch. Just needs to be
improved approved by the NFL next week at the annual meetings.
NFL Draft coming to Fox this April. First two days
(30:09):
of the draft will air on Fox and be simulcast
on the NFL Network. The New York Day of the
news is the Jets tried to move up to number
one overall in the NFL Draft before striking a deal
with the Colts last weekend for number three. Well Raiders
running back Marshawn Lynch reportedly took a five hundred thousand
dollar pay cut to return to Oakland next season. That
second baseman Daniel Murphy won't be ready for the start
of the season as he continues to recover from micro
(30:31):
fracture surgery last October. Some college hoops news David Paget
not returning his Louisville's head coach after just one year
when he replaced Rick Pattino. Dean Wade could come off
the bench for Kansas Stay in their Sweet sixteen matchup
with Kentucky tomorrow and Guys. I thought it was official
last week when he said after their loss in the
first round to Buffalo, but Arizona's DeAndre Ayton made an
(30:51):
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is host to the national radio show in the past,
so that should be great twelve to three Eastern time
every Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. Trey Young declares
for the NBA Draft before you even say anything, I'm
happy you did. I'm really because you know, this is
this is a guy that had us in all all
(31:57):
season and you know, we can we can talk about,
you know, them not playing extremely well down the stretch
or whatever, but Troy Trey Young was the end all
be all for that team. You know, he was a
guy that brought uh electric, you know, this flash and
flavor to that team and to you know, college basketball.
(32:17):
He became must watch television, you know, all season long.
So you know, I'm happy for him, happy for his family.
Definitely would be in the top fifteen, I believe, and
you know I'm looking forward to watching him develop on
the fly. Does that work in the NBA his game, Yeah,
I think he's a guy that you know it's gonna
have to develop, you know. But the thing that's super
(32:38):
intriguing about him, you know, you think about the Yukon guys,
and you think about, you know, Kimba Walker. You think
about uh, you know, smaller guards that's able to create
space and shoot, shoot off the dribble. He has unlimited range,
probably have a lack of size a little bit, and
(32:59):
he's gonna build on his strength and things like that,
but he just have it. Whatever it is, he has it,
and um, he's special. He's a special talent. So he's
going to be okay going. But let's let's let's let's
examine the Kemba Walker. So look, Kemba. I always thought
Kemba coming in, I thought he could be at his
best in the Jamal Crawford role, right, that was that
(33:22):
was what I thought. That was what I thought his
ceiling was. He's obviously exceed that becoming an All star.
But I thought you put Kemba Walker where you're like,
hey man, I don't wander about running any team. Just
minutes the game, you just go be, go, get buckets,
don't want about anything else. And because he has a
different gear, than most guys have. You know, Cason point
(33:43):
the last his last jump shot at Madison Square Garden
in the Big East Championship where he made the kid
from Pittsburgh fall down, you know, like Demba, like Kemba, Kemba.
The reason the step back works is you're so scared
of that first step that you and that you retreat
and then all of a sudden, You're legs just go,
they're just dead. Um. I know that that a jump
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shot can also allow you to get space, you know,
because what in the NBA called gravity right where you know,
everybody's just drawn to you because they're they're scared of
that jump shot. But the numbers were bad. I mean
I read them on air yesterday since February one from
two from three, and I I know early in the
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year it was he was at a ridiculous level. But
it's like, you're trying to be Steph and everybody wants
him to be Steph, but he's just not Steph. And
my fear is, or maybe the reality is you go
to the NBA and you've played this one way where
you've always had the ball and always been able to
either you try and do that, and you know how
vets are vets like young fella passed the ball um
(34:49):
or he tries to change his game, and that's even
maybe harder to do. Two things. If if you're if
you're on, if you're in the lottery one, you're gonna
go to a team that's going to feature So he's
not gonna have to worry about too many vets telling
him like, don't do this and don't do that. As
you saw with the lines of ball this season with
the Lakers, Luot Thing and those guys was sitting down
(35:10):
watching him develop on the fly. So it's gonna be
the same thing with Trey Young. And then also if
you look at what you touched on the spacing and
now people are keying in on all his strengths. And
then once he gives up the ball, you have to
think about the talent that he's also playing with. So
the talent pool goes up a notch. He's gonna be
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playing with elite talented players. Guys that you know, been
the man on their team, whether it's college or you know,
had a little season in the NBA, know how to play,
uh specialized in making shots or being playmakers or what
have you. So he's gonna be highlighted and featured in
a different way. Therefore he's going to be able to
(35:51):
be successful. One of the things you guys have with Yukon,
it's two parts to it. Calhoumand always tell me, I
tell guys to go, but it wasn't necessary based upon
whether they're drafted. But you got to focus on getting
that second contract right. He was always he was big
because the second contract is the generational wealth, is the
big money. But he also you guys, there was demands
that you played defense, and those demands weren't made to
(36:15):
him this year. How hard is it to especially in
the league you cover the league for Turner Coaran Butler
joining us. Check him out noon to three Eastern every
Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. Now in the NBA,
everybody wants to switch, you know, obviously don't switch with Staff.
They kind of hide him with Golden State. But that
he's he's smaller than Staff, he's younger than Staff coming out,
(36:35):
and he hasn't there hasn't been the demands on him
to play defense. How difficult and adjustment is that. It's
gonna be a difficult adjustment, But it's the adjustment that
you know, that's what it's all about. Development. How many
guys do you know in the NBA are two way
players right now? There's a handful of them, and we
we highlight the guys that do play on the defensive end.
We we talked about Kawhi Leonard, we talked about Clay Thompson.
(36:57):
We talked about like these guys, what you're supposed to do, right,
You don't supposed to just be an athlete. Is supposed
to play both sides of the floor. You're supposed to
be offensively sound, supposed to have a skill set on
defense as well. You're supposed to be uh this, have
a niche. His niche right now is he can make shots,
he can make plays, and he has no sillings. His
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his his his his future is extremely bright. Like I
love what I'm seeing out of him. And he's still
so he's relatively young, you know, so he has a
bright future, all right. DeAndre Aton or Marvin Bagley. Bagley
is more of a face up four who can score
some of the post. Eytan, you talk about two A
guy can help you as a shot blocker, can also
shoot the ball and score in the post. You have
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the number one pick who do you take him? What
I'm gonna take Aid And and the reason why I
say that is, you know, I think you didn't really
get a chance to see the real Arizona team because
of all the controversy and adversity there was going through,
you know, before they was fighting the battle before they
even made it to the court. So now you look
at a guy like Aiden Um athletically he's off the charts. Um,
(38:05):
he's a man's a grown man, you know, playing amongst
you know children this season they say the least and
I feel like his upside is, you know, he has
no sillings and you know, going forward, I think he's
going to be special. It's it's really crazy though on
how there there seems to be the rebirth of the
big band in the NBA. And I'll be fast to
see how they can adjust because the officiating now helps
(38:26):
the guards. Right, you can't touch guys in the perimeter.
There's no rarely calling a legal screen, you know, so
you can run up and Clint Capella last night, act
like you're sitting the screen on one side, flip it
and said on the other side, it's really confusing with
but they haven't done the same thing for Biggs. And
yet you see Joel Embiid, you see uh Yokich, you
see Carl Town's, you see both the bigs in New Orleans.
(38:50):
Um all, you know, all performing really really well without
the help of the official. It feels though like that
we're we're very, very close to the kind of rebirth
of the Big Man. Hearing you to an NBA champion, Yeah,
we we saw this. Uh. I was watching Kobe's moose
Cage and he has said that this could be the
death of the Big Man or the reasurgence of the
Big Man, because the game is so perimeter oriented and
(39:15):
it doesn't it doesn't cater to what we traditionally seen
for years with the Big Man, you know, operating in
the post, getting the contacts. It's more pace, it's not
more grinded out. Uh it's tempo. So if you have
guys that can come in and you know, add that
dimension and make it, you know, something super intriguing to watch,
(39:38):
then it's gonna it's gonna help the case because it's
all about you know, ratings, it's all about viewership, it's
all about excitement, and you know, people don't want to
look at a game. That's this mucked up. They want
to look at pace, they want to look at high scoring,
and they want to see excitement. Yeah, I still think that, Yes,
they want to see the threes and the dunks and
the excitement, but they're all also what is something to
(39:59):
Like you go to NBA game and there's a seven
footer going against another seven footer and these guys are
it's not like in the seventies or early eighties, like
these dudes are super super athletic, right, and there has
to be away. It is mucked up when it's down there, right,
I mean, they're just beating the crap out of each other.
It's really really hard to even make a move in
the low post. That's why teams don't post up anymore.
(40:20):
It's gotta be away in which they can tighten up
the officia and to loosen up down there. Yea. And
what's what's super intriguing now with the NBA. It's all
about space and it's about real estate because everything is
perimeter oriented. So you want to give guys that space
to operate and play that temple and have the exciting
place where you're going down he'll get into the paint
(40:40):
and forcing your thrust offensively on the defensive guy and
having the exciting place. But if somebody's always clogged up
in the paint, it takes away from a lot of things,
all right, He grinded. He did the game last night
in Boston, flew all the way here back to his
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Fox Sports Radio joins the show. Uh, he knows all
the lines, knows all the numbers, knows all the trends.
Let me just out back to last weekend, last Friday night,
r J how Big an upset was that UNBC over Virginia.
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They had a lot of ways to look at it,
right on one hand, and this is a little bit
of cold water on it wasn't even the biggest upset
in the history of the tournament based upon seedings. Right,
So if you go back to two, was in twelve
a number two Missouri team lost to Norfolk State as
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a twenty one and a half point underdog, and u
NBC was about twenty one, so right in that range.
But that Missouri loss was even bigger. Now, what's crazy
about that. What's crazy about the Missouri game is that
they were also I believe, the first team to lose
shooting eighty. It was a fifty forty over fifty over
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forty over eighty and lost the game like they didn't.
It wasn't like Virginia or Michigan State. They couldn't buy
couldn't buy a bucket. They actually made shots, they just
couldn't get a stop. Well that's I didn't really remember that,
but that's you're right. Anatomy of these big upsets, especially
in this high variance age of so many three pointers, right,
(42:50):
which allows a underdog to potentially get really hot and
play a high variance game, but it also allows a
favor to play a high variance game that goes against
them right in that extreme range of the variants. So
that that's a fascinating point on that two thousand twelve game. Now,
when it comes to cash twenty five to one, underdog
(43:11):
u MBC winning the game outright, you might think, oh
r J. Who had that? Nobody had that one guy
and I guess he was an alum or associated with
the school. He bet eight hundred dollars here in Vegas
to win over sixteen thousand. I tweeted out the ticket.
So pretty amazing, not only the huge upset but a
(43:33):
huge payoff for that fellow. Yeah, it was. I'm actually
looking at the Norfolk State Bucks score. Norfolk State eighties
six eighty four was the final score. And Missouri check
out these numbers. Uh. Missouri for the game shot sixteen
of twenty six from two thirteen of twenty nine from
three forty four nearly forty five percent. They shot seventy
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six percent from three from the three to line thirteen
of seventeen. Uh and they only had eight turnovers, I mean,
and they still lost the game. That's because they couldn't
stop anybody. It's crazy, you know, dog it in my opinion,
and I say this to you often, one of the
sharpest college basketball guys out there. You for sure, in
my opinion, do you agree with me? And I think
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the math makes it unequivocal that the very best teams
actually suffer from all the threes. Where if somehow some
question you agree with you, I mean, like, look at
look at the two biggest almost the most pronounced upsets
in the first and that what Thursday or Friday, Buffalo
was fifteen of thirty from three, right, UNBC was twelve
(44:41):
twenty four from three. The way to beat the bigger
traditional teams has played small ball and shoot and make
a lot of threes. You make of your threes, especially
when you make more than ten of them, you're gonna
win most of those games. And you think about it
as much as we think back okay, nfol back in
Jim Brown's days very different than today. We get that
since in every sport, right Mickey man o versus today,
(45:03):
But you think about college basketball, no threes and no
shot clock. Boy, those and obviously John Warden was amazing,
but those victories very different basketball than today. Probably the
most of any sport, the difference from let's say forty
years ago until today. Uh. But this is uh the
Doug Gollip Show on Fox Sports Radio. R J. Belzer
(45:23):
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or follow him on Twitter. Let's let's get to the
Sweet sixteen. I read this that only one Elite eight
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team has been seated worse than the number eleven. None
this year. So as much as there's been a wide
variance of upsets in the first weekend in the first round, uh,
the word no twelves over five, and there's there's there's
you know, no terrible seeds heading into the six sweet sixteen. Yeah,
I think you touched on, in my opinion, the underreported
(46:09):
story here, which is as much as we've got that
sixteen seed, but as I like to say, trademark pending
Cinderella is invited to the dance, but she has a curfew.
Well that's sixteen obviously played a heck of a game,
covered the spread, lost against Kansas State, but no team
worse than an eleven even making the Sweet sixteen, which
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makes that Elite eight trend a lock no matter who wins.
And think about that now, after this year, in the
modern era, dug, there's gonna have been two hundred and
eighty Elite eight teams and one worse than an eleven seed.
I mean, all this talk of twelves, and obviously this
year the twelves were over. But the idea that that
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that one has made the Elite eight in the modern
era worse than eleven doesn't mean we shouldn't have sixty
four teams in the tournament. But boy, it's so clear
that there's a ceiling each round and that continues all
the way to the finals. Last twenty nine years, twenty
eight times a four seed or batter has won the
(47:16):
n c A tournament. Right, let's get to some of
the Sweet sixteen games. Let's start with Kentucky. Kentucky a
young team. First game they beat Davidson didn't even make
a three point shot. We talked about three point shots,
oh of nine from three uh. And then you know
they play Buffalo, who seemed to really be bothered by
the length and run out of little Gas and they
beat Kentucky. Now they get Kansas State legit high major,
but Kansas State doesn't know how much or if they'll
(47:38):
have Dean Wade, who's their leaders score, the best player
in all league player. The lines moved from four and
a half to five and a half. Where's the smart money?
I tell you I've never seen a team and I
might that might sound extreme, never, but I don't think
I have that's gone from being underrated to overrated so quickly,
literally a couple you know, last game, I would still
(48:00):
make the case Kentucky was underrated, and you mentioned it
their youth, because you've got games from November, you know,
even a little earlier through March, and it's not that long, right,
five months or so. You're gonna blend those five months
and look at the stats, look at the record. But
young teams in college basketball that are pedigree, that have
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great young players can trend upwards faster than any other league.
So the way Kentucky was playing in December very different
than the way they were playing in February and March.
The market, the Vegas market had not caught up to that.
But now that if you look in their region, the
ones out, the two's out, the threes out, the four's out,
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and the six is out. The fact they have such
a clear path to the final four, now everyone's woken
up to how good Kentucky is. So I would probably
lean Kansas State, like you said, injury questions, but I
think right now Kentucky is overrated, all right, loyala Chicago.
You know, Kentucky could go through Kansas State as the
highest seed before they get to the final four. Litle
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Chicago and Nevada. Lota Chicago has got sister Jean on
their side. Uh, but they she didn't pick that, She
didn't pick him into the lead eight. She she did
not against Nevada team that came from down twenty two
to beat Cincinnati. It's it's interesting, like you can take
shots at Loules Chicago saying, hey, Tennessee had him. Then
they stopped playing like Nevado was down twenty two points. Nevadas,
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I believe a point a half favorite is what it
opened it. It's a point and a half favorite as
of now, if you had to lean where would it be.
We were talking about this on our podcast. Let me
ask you. An expert that I trust on the Pot
said that Nevada when they are playing their defined offense,
has been horrible in the tournament. And obviously we know
they've tray out against Texas to by double digits, but
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then they go with their best player kind of spread
it out NBA style and this guy's brought him back.
As you've watch these games, is that the way you've
seen it when they've been in offense, Nevada has really
been outplayed. Yeah. I mean, look, they don't have their
point guard, Lindsey Drew towards Achilles Tendon, and so you
have the Martin twins, Caleb Martins the better of the
two twins, and yeah, they just kind of isolate their
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guys and let them go. And that's what and playing
on the whole game. Uh yeah, turn turn around the
entire game. So I would the big thing is to me,
can you can you if you can pressure Nevada without
a point guard? You know the kid the Martins are
are really more threes and fours than they are ones.
Can you can turn them over and you can make
them look bad. I just don't know if that's the
personality of Loyala, even though loyal to play small. I
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like Nevada in the game. Here's the thing. If Nevada
comes out and commits, they're gonna run the normal offense
for a majority of the game. I would really like
Loyola here, but I am afraid they're gonna say, listen,
we've played poorly that way. Let's go this NBA style
the whole game. Then I probably like Nevada. So I've
seen sharps on both sides of this. I'm passing Duke.
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Syracuse is one that's a big number. Eleven and a
half now. Duke beat them at their place by sixteen points,
ruling in the year when Syracuse only scored forty four.
But Syracuse has found a way to get kind of,
you know, blood from a rock if you will, playing
these absolute grinders and just getting a bucket from tius
battle here or there and winning games. Why does Vegas
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not think this is gonna be a grinder? Yeah, so
right now, Duke favored by eleven and a half. I
think it's justified. Syracuse was the most egregious in the
eyes of Vegas, in the eyes of the power ratings,
most the egregious inclusion into the tournament. Now they've redeemed
themselves so and we see that often that one team
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that gets the most media heat for making the tournament
tends it tends to one at least step up one
game and make their statement. Now, I think some of
the other wins, and remember Syracuse won three games in
that first week, is about that zone. It's so quirky
if you haven't faced it, and if you're not physically
able to deal with the length, and Syracuse is obviously
(52:05):
a pedigreed program, it's a problem. Duke not only can
deal with it physically, they've already played this zone. And
if you look on the other side Duke, and I'm
sure you've talked about this dog when they went to
a zone, predominantly their defense has gotten much much better. Well,
the thing about Duke is they still even in the zone,
(52:25):
they struggle to guard people. The good news is that
Syracus just doesn't appear to have the the firepower to score, right.
It's like, all right, so sometimes they there's some stat
where North Carolina had all these uncontested shots in their
a c C matchup against Duke. Would that Duke won
the semifinals, but North Carolina didn't make them that Syracuse.
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Syracus just doesn't have anybody can shooting score. But wouldn't
you say if it's all relative? Right? Maybe objectively, now
Duke isn't a great defense, but relative to before they
played the zone, would you agree their efficiency has gone
way up? Yes, some of it was that they were
playing the bottom of the a c C during that
period of time, but yes, but it's gone through the tournament, uh,
(53:08):
the conference tournament and now the n c A tournament,
and they've kept up. I think their improvement. I tend
to agree with you, all right, real quick picks Purdue Tech.
What's your lean? Uh, Texas Tech? Here, I think Purdue, Uh,
the absence of their big man did not hurt them
as much last game because the matchups, I think it
hurts them more. Here. Completely agree Villanova West Virginia. This
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is West Virginia is big. They pressed Villanova a little
bit smaller. They shoot a ton of threes, which and
they're they're also a prohibitive favorite. Thoughts. Yeah, so Villanova
five and a half in this game. I like Villanova.
West Virginia's press is a differentiator. It's quirky. Villanova has
great guard play. I think they have enough to combat
and you have a week to prepare for that press
as opposed to one day to prepare for that press.
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Gonzaga Florida State. These games out in l A. You'll
be sitting in Vegas. I'll be sitting courtside in l Aza.
Gonzaga fourth straight Sweet sixteen. Went to the Final four
last year. A Florida State team who was down twelve
in the waning minutes and came back and beat Xavier.
But a very athletic Florida State team. Yeah, a good
bit of money on Florida State opened up the Zags.
Mine is seven down to five and a half. I
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would lean that way, but I'm not gonna bet that
one in. But I will be betting the last game
this Kansas Clemson. Oh yeah, I forgot clant Kansas Clemson.
You're you're betting which way? I like? Kansas here and
I'll tell you this the one game that spoke to
me about Kansas and again you knowing the Big twelve,
especially that team loves the streak of winning in the
(54:32):
regular season Conference. It was thirteen in a row. Now
they were down one game against Tech. It was a
hack of a comeback. Everyone said, oh self doesn't really
care about the conference tournament as much, but he wants
to beat Okay State in the first round because of
revenge they did. Oh, then he doesn't want to lose
against Kansas State. They beat them in State right, obviously
the arrival, but then in the finals they were underdogs
(54:53):
against West Virginia. The fact they won that game tell
me something about this team. I think Kansas is underrated.
They've got a quasi home field advantage home court advantage
Kansas minus four and a half. I think one of
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(55:13):
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He's the only r J Bell r J great stuff,
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lived outside of the state of California or southern California
understand that the water that falls from the sky is
actually a good thing, a normal thing that is that
can be dealt with. We're on the eve of the
Sweet sixteen. Not a ton of buzz to the Sweet sixteen.
We did drop The All Ball podcast well did drop
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early today. You can download that once on the Herd
Now podcast family of shows or whatever. Check us out
on Facebook, on Twitter, wherever you download podcasts. A bunch
of things to get to Today will preview those games.
Will also discuss coaching changes in coaching jobs. Here's one
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that's interesting to me. Danny Hurley played at Seaton Hall.
He's reportedly been offered the head coaching job at both
pitt and Yukon, two former Big East foes. Neither it's
in the Big East and neither to be kept better
because of it. He could also return to Rhode Island.
In the pros and cons list, where where does he go?
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What does he decide? And how does that shift the
coaching carousel in college basketball. David Pageant, who is the
interim head coach, intermed coach, former Rock Petino player at
at at Kentucky. David Pageant was the interne head coach
at Louisville, was just told he would not be retained.
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Of course, most people think that Louisville will try and
get Chris Mack to come out over from Cincinnat It's
about an hour and a half away. Would Chris mc
leaves Cincinnati for what would would seemingly be double his
money to coach at Louisville. Remember, he played at Xavier.
He also played at Evansville, but he transferred Xavier played
at Xavier. So there's a lot a lot to that
that that's interesting in college basketball coaching. Of course, the
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games are tomorrow. Last night, James Harden has whatte and
the Rockets do what no one had done in like
a month, which is beat the Portland Trailblazers. Some m
v P talk, I'll at some point the show will
get to when did the m v P of the
NBA becomes such a big thing that we care about.
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I thought you play to win the game. But today
was Today was the Pro Day at USC, and look
at USC, you got a pro day. And the day started,
guys with their shirts off, sun was shining. It was beautiful,
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Sam Donald dropping back through an absolute Rockets to his
wide receivers. But then the clouds came in and the
rain began to fall, and Sam Donald still through by
all accounts, p after p after p after p just
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and then you look in the stands, and there's Jimmy Haslum,
he's the owner of the Cleveland Browns, and he saddled
up talking to the donald family Ma pau just in
from Saint Clemente, and you started to think H meant
to be right. The Browns of course traded for Tyrod Taylor,
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which when it happened, I told you this doesn't mean
they're not going to draft a quarterback. It means they're
gonna draft a developmental quarterback. Yes, the Browns and John
Dorsey have learned from their past. They are almost forced
to draft a quarterback at number one overall, not just
because at two, maybe at three, definitely at you know,
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and then at five and at six you got the
potential for quarterback needing teams to either trade up, which
has already happened at three, or to continue to try
and trade up. Plus the Giants, look, they could go
they never draft this high, they could go get a quarterback.
And so while they have absolutely learned from their past,
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passing on Carson Wins you know the story and how
many quarterbacks the Cleveland Browns have passed on the past
couple of years. Now, they passed on Teddy Bridgewater twice.
Um they passed on Derek Carr the past. You know
all this, The fact is that because of what they
have done or maybe more importantly not done in the past,
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they have to draft quarterback to that this draft, on
the other hand, we all take lessons that we've learned
from our previous stops. John Dorsey comes to the Cleveland
Browns from Kansas City, and Kansas City has had what
by all accounts, appears to be, you know, until games
are played, a seamless transition. Last year they drafted, they
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traded up and drafted Pat Mahomes at number ten. Mahomes
set the world on fire in the preseason. They didn't
play him a down until they got two weeks event
teen and they were set in the playoffs. Then they
played him. He played well. They went through the playoffs.
They did with the Chiefs always do in the playoffs,
which is get a big lead, choke it away, and
then start pointing fingers. They jettison Alex Smith and now
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Pat Mahomes is their quarterback. And if what past is
president president, then it's a good precedent for John Dorsey.
Tyrod Taylor is fine. You can actually go to the
playoffs with Tyrod Taylor, if the rest of the team
around you. The issue with frankly with Carson Wentz, and
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we all look at Carson Wentzi. Why didn't you draft
Carson Wentz? Because Carson Wentz wouldn't have been allowed to
become Carson Wentz had he been on those Browns team.
He got injured this year scrambling, he would have been
gotten injured the previous year running for dear life. And
so the plan is starting to come together. And if
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you're gonna develop the draft a developmental guy, it's not
gonna be Baker Mayfield, he's kind of already eloped. It's
not gonna be Josh Rosen, he's kind of already developed.
It's gonna be one of two guys. It's gonna be
Josh Allen who's behind, or Sam Donald who's a little
bit behind, only twenty years old, only started what a
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season in three quarters? And I don't know if you
guys are a signs signs everywhere as signs sort of guy.
But I am. And when Sam Donald's that is pro
day and Jimmy has them's there and Mom and Pod
Donald are up there and stands and MAM's knitting a
sweater I made the last part of She's got a
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hot cup of tea. She offers another cup of tea
for jim Mr hassm, Mr hassup comes sit next to us.
Dad's reading the paper. I don't know how it's reading
outside and nobody actually buys paper anymore. Somehow, there's a fireplace,
two rocking chairs, corn cob pipe. You understand, You get
the image, and oh, Jimmy has them, comes up and says,
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nice to meet you. Love your son, like to know
more about his upbringing. Then it starts to rain, because
the big question is you take a kid from southern California,
how is he going to handle the fact that Cleveland, Well,
it sucks. Otherwise it just does. Yes. Oh, and it's
not like they play in the garden spots of America
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when they play on the road. No offense to our
affiliates in Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati, but no one says,
hey can't wait to see how you how you like
enjoying the weather here in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Baltimore. I've
told you before that Donald being from San Clementi makes
me want to draft him more than Rosen being from
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Manhattan Beach, Sant Clementi is a little bit more real,
a little bit more blue collar, a place that people
are from, whereas Manhattan Beach is a place where you
moved to. And everybody's got cash, whether they're born with it,
inherited it, married into it, or made it really early
in life. Like he seems like our kind of guy.
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The owner got up on his private plane, the entire
coaching staff came there and oh yeah, by the way,
it starts raining midway through his throwing session. I'm just
meant to be just feels that way. Here's Sam Donald
after the performance. It's just a job interview to be
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honest with you. And then just coming out here and
I thought, I, honestly, I showed them the best version
of myself. Um. I've been training really hard for this day,
and I thought, I thought I did really well, just
like how I would train for any other game, being
able to meet all these coaches. Um, I'm really just
living out my dream. Anytime, you know, days get hard, Uh,
you know, especially at the combine when you're up at
you know, four am for a drug test and you
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gotta stay up late in meetings. Um, you just think
about where else would I rather be? And that's kind
of what I think about um during those moments. I mean,
come on, forget about wanting to draft a kid. You
want to marry him, don't you. He's not even complaining
about a drug test. He was like, man, you know
sometimes you gotta stand for him for a drug test.
Part of the part of the deal. You know, you
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almost feel like he's gonna go putty cut of support
the team. I don't know if you believe in meant
to be. I don't know if you believe in signs,
signs everywhere signs. But I sure as he'll do and
rain midway through Sam Donald's pro day, when the owner
of the Cleveland Browns who just so happened to own
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the number one pick, and the kid answers every question
the right way and everyone knows he needs time to develop.
He's okay sitting for a season because you got Tyrod Taylor.
If that in a sign or a series of them,
I don't know what is. And with the first pick
in the NFL Draft, you are Cleveland Browns have found
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their guy. Be sure to catch live editions of the
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Feels like Mike mccagnet and the Jets are shopping hungry.
Everyone thought the Jets were going to purge their general manager,
purged their head coach after they were going to tank
this past season. Right like, when you look at the Jets,
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rosher like, dude outside of the Browns don't know how
they could how they could not finish in last place,
and they were kind of surprising. They end up having
the sixth pick in the draft, which of course subsequently
they moved up to the third pick in the draft.
And think about it, they gave up three second round
picks to this year one next year to move up
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three spots in the draft to take a quarterback. Now, maybe,
just maybe they know or knew before today that the
the Browns were going to draft Sam Donalds. It feels
like Sam Donald's the guy just feels that way, doesn't
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doesn't it. But unless they have incredible foresight, unless they
have a mole in the Browns organization and in the
Giants organization. Remember they're not picking first. I mean, this
is a group, whatever group is making the decision with
the Jets. It's the same one that drafted them a
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quarterback out of Penn State who was wildly erratic, and
two years in, no one thinks he has a shot
to be the start of this year. So much so
they just signed two other quarterbacks. It's one of those
what in the hell are they doing now? Maybe, just
maybe they think they're the Philadelphia Eagles, because if you remember,
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two years ago, the Philadelphia Eagles did the exact same thing.
Do you guys remember, Okay, two years ago the Eagles
changed coaching staffs and Doug Peterson was named a head coach.
Doug Peterson brought with him, Uh, what's the shay? What's
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the little quarterback from by? The backup in Kansas City?
Was the backup in Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel. Yes, I
I got lost in his name. Chase Daniel, missour form
Missouri quarterback. Chase Daniel was a Doug Peterson guy. He
was Doug Peterson's back up with the with the Chiefs.
When Doug Peterson came over, he brought him with him
to be the backup. Now he's a backup. I'm gonna
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stay with the Bears, right, did he just signed with
the Bears, so they had Chase Daniel and remember they
resigned Sam Bradford to like a thirteen million dollar a
year deal for two years. People like, what are they doing?
Then they traded up and drafted Carson Wentz and they
just so happened to luck into the fact that the
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Vikings lost Teddy Bridgewater before they ever played a game,
and so they got a first round draft pick for
Sam Bradford and the rest, as they say, is history. Right,
here's the problem. One, the Jets are depending on good luck.
How often is that like it happened, especially to the Jets.
And Two, they had a chance to kind of replenish
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themselves with a bunch of second round picks. Now they can't,
so they're leaving it to chance. I mean, it's crazy
mccagnet parted with those precious draft capital. That's minish. Meta
from the New York Daily News said, two second round
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picks this year, thirty seven second round picks. It's about
aft shot whether or not they're gonna be starters. The
Jets overpaid and now they need some divine intervention. Now
they need a little bit of luck. And this from mccagnon,
who his previous quarterback selection was Christian Hackenburg. That does
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not bode well for the Jets. But the biggest thing
is whoever they think they want to have as their
starting quarterback, they don't know if he'll be there because
they didn't trade up for the number one pick. That
didn't trade up for the number two pick. They traded
up for the number three pick. In the best case
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scenario for the Jets, they get their second best option.
And when you're struggling to make a decision to begin with,
and you feel pressure to get a quarterback even though
you already have too relatively fairly competent guys, and you
shed away any sort of draft pick help in the
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second round, I mean like, look, they could have used
that first round draft pick and they could have gotten
additional picks, and they could have loaded up and said, hey, look,
six isn't good enough for us, We'll draft a guy
later on. In the meantime, we'll roll with the fact
that we have to fairly competent starting quarterbacks were at
a talent deficit. It feels to me like a plan
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that is flawed, to say the least, really really flawed,
Like John Dorsey's going, Hey, you know what, we got
a bunch of draft picks, but we don't have to.
We can still trade away draft picks. We can still
keep loading up. But let's trade away some of these picks.
Let's get some guys that can help us right now.
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Let's trade for a quarterback that can start in meantime.
I'm gonna sit a guy for a year, much like
we just did in Kansas City. You're like, you know what,
it's not a terrible plan, especially considering the Cleveland Brown's
offensive line lost their Hall of Fame left tackle. No
matter what you think, they're gonna look like. You've got
no idea without their leader, without their sergeant holka Um,
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without Joe Um, Joe Thomas coming back. It feels like
I can't blom saying this. Cleveland's better run than the Jets.
I just it feels like, now it doesn't mean it's
gonna work out that way. The man. And let's say
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they go and get a Josh Rosen, who everybody thinks
it's ready to play. You got these other chet Josh
mc county will be a good backup. He'll be fine
no matter what you do. I'll beat a little bit overpaid,
like what do you do with Teddy Bridgewater? H weird plan?
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Go ahead? What kind of Karan Butler joining us part
of Fox Sports Radio's family. Great huge announcement was yesterday.
Chris Mannix from Yahoo Sports you join us yesterday. Also,
he and and Tough Shoes gonna do a show together
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every Sunday noon to three. That noon to three Eastern time.
That's getting up early in the morning, so it's nine
to noon. That's two guys. Tough Shoes obviously covers the
NBA for the folks at Turner that's the players only
Tuesday Night I was last night's Yeah, Tuesday Night I
was watching last last night, Were you really man? That finished?
Was crazy? And then you hopped on hopped on the
last flight out of what first flight? First thing this morning,
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First thing, All right, I want to talk to you
about I want to I want to talk to you
about the game last night. But anyway you can so
you can check him out on on Turner and then
listen to him here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's let's
talk about the thunder before we get to the ending
of that game. Um Like, Look, I know there's been
some ups and downs. I know Paul George sends some
great things around the year, but they're about where we
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thought they would be, and they're only where you thought
they'd be, like the fourth seed in the West. But
this is with Kauai out most of the year. This
is with the Warriors having all kinds of injuries and
just being disinterested, like kind of interesting. I can't figure
out whether they've underachieved, overachieved, or rightfully achieved. They're they're
exactly where, you know, me personally, where I thought they
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would be, still trying to struggle to find their identity.
But at the same time, I think Russell Westbrook has
done an amazing job of balancing the scoring, the rebounding
and the dominance of playing with two superstars still in
Paul George and Carmelo Anthony. Is Carmelo Anthony is still
a superstar. Yeah, he's still a star in his league.
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Like he's more than capable. And the thing that's, you know, interesting,
is that he's not being featured no longer. And it's
it's necessary because you have Paul George and Russell plan
at an amazing pace. So you know, he needs to
be that guy that needs to play, you know, somewhat
more with that set can unit where he can massage
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the ball and do his things. So he needs to
be out there with Grant Felton and he can be featured.
And he's still capable of doing certain things. I mean,
he averaged twenty plus points last season. He's still averaging
I think sixteen and a half plus right now. And
he's playing with you know, Russell Westbrook, majority of them
men and Steven Adams and Paul George, and as it
lines out now, they would be on a collision course
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with the Houston Rockets. Like I think of of all
the kind of genius things, and I'm not sure how
intentional unintentional. I want to talk about the Warriors, but
the idea that the Warriors wouldn't have to see the
Thunder and unless the Thunder go through the Rockets, I
think would be perfect for that team because the Thunder
a team that have beating them Auber Thunder, a team
that can play big when they play small and kind
of rough them up. But listen, the Thunder is a
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scary team if they're clicking on all cylinders. But you know,
coach Donovan has said it when we sat down last night,
he has said, you know, most importantly, they want to
be playing good defensively, offensively. You know, you got players
that can win you a series. You've got Paul George,
who was a uper style, never been a number two guys,
been the number one guy Indiana his whole career. You
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know he can carry you through a series. We know
Russell Westbrooks brook can carry you through a series. Carmelo
Anthony is more than capable of having those moments, those
vintage moments and carrying you through a series. And that's scary.
You've got three guys that can carry you through a series.
And then Houston they're playing amazingly well. And the one
thing that benefits them is that they have a ton
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of confidence. And Chris Paul's playing amazingly Uh, he's healthy.
James Harden is the m v P second and none.
This is his year. He's playing exceptionally well. So it's
gonna be interesting to see what hot shakes up in
the Western Conference when you were playing. Was there in season.
It feels like this is very very recent, and some
of it is kind of ESPN doubling down and going
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all in on the NBA as opposed to in previous years.
It wasn't. It's it's kind of peaked in popularity the
last four or five years. I don't remember there being
this much season long discussion over the NBP. You played
in the league for a decade. What was it like
this when you play? I think it was more so
so on the back of my career. You had Steph
Curry that had the just the out of body performance
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season where he was just clicking on all cylinders, making everything,
and Lebron James is always in the discussion. So like
over the last three or four years, you have seen
the discussion starting earlier as the first quarter of the season,
where you're talking about the Greek freak, you're talking about
James Harden immediately because he's playing extremely well. You're talking
about Dame Lillard now in the back end of the season,
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and you're still talking about your fifth team. What Lebron
has been capable of doing. You know, his his performance
has been just amazing, averaging the triple double since All
Star Break. Uh still shooting the ball amazingly well, adding
dementias to his game. But you know, this season in particular,
I think it's hard to say that James Harden is
not the m v P. I'll throw a name out
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there you haven't mentioned. It is Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis
has led the league in scoring in the second half
of the year since the All Start break, and his
team is playing better than this without DeMarcus Cousins. And look,
I'm with you. I think that I think the Harden
is gonna win it, not just because of his performances
this year, but you could have seen him win it
to out the last three years anyway, right, and his
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team is gonna finish with the best record likely in
in the NBA. So I'm with you. Whether he's gonna
win it but how close should it actually be with
him and Anthony Davis. You know what, I feel like,
it's James Harden and then this. Now you've got Lebron, James,
Anthony Davis, and uh, Damon Lillard. That's the next wave,
that's the next conversation. I think we take Lebron for
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granted because he's been doing this consistently for so long. Uh,
seeing the rise of Anthony Davis and the Pelicans, the
reascertainties of you know, playing winning basketball and having a
shot to be in the playoffs, it seems like they're
gonna make it this season in spite of losing a
guy like Boogie. You know, that was something that was devastating,
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but they all rallied around him, you know, they really did,
and they're doing it because of him. You know, they're like, look,
you know, we're playing Inspire basketball because of you. And
then Dame Lillard. Just I don't think anyone will question
that he's a star or superstar again in this league.
You know, a guy that had been you know, um
over overlooked for so long. He's a perennial All Star,
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one of one of the best young spots in this
game of basketball. Karon Butler joining us in the Doug
Out Lip Show. You won NBA Championship, but I think
people remember you're hurt during the NBA Championship, right, and
that was supposed to be like a death death blow
because of your leadership on the floor. But there was
something special. Like you look at Dirk's career, as good
as it's been been, he's had like nine or ten
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first round exits in his career. That year was different.
That year was special. Can you can you make any
comparisons as obviously aside from the injury to you, the
that and the Houston year to which Houston's a team.
D'Antoni has lost early, James Harden has lost early, Chris
Paul his teams have lost early because of injury to
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everything kind of coming together and fitting right at the
right time. Golden States heard some of these things and
being a dream here for the Rockets. Listen. I think
that you know, timing is everything, and I think camaraderie
and and having momentum is key. You don't want to
fiz out too early and you don't want to do
it too soon. So like you look at what Houston
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is doing and they're playing their best basketball right now
and hopefully they can keep that momentum going into the
second half of the season. Right now, you look at
the Golden State Warriors, who's everyone's favorite. It's just the
injuries and things like that. Like we all know that
they're talented enough to win and run through the Western
Conference and be right back in the finals. But chemistry
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and rhythm and all that is very, very important. And
right now you have four All Stars guys that's not
out there playing. You question the health of Steph Curry
right now, even though that they say he's back to
full contact. Kevin Durant, that's extremely important. He has to
be it. You know, he's the guy that you go
through in the half court. Obviously they play off of him,
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and he draws the double teams and you got the
shotmakers and Clay and all the rest of the guy's
knocking shots down on the perimeter. But it's going to
be intriguing to see, and and and last, but not leave,
not least. You look at the Houston Rockets. They believe
that they can beat anyone. Right the story, the true
story of the underdog. Chris Paul never been into a
conference finals. This this is something he wants so desperately,
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and you know he's tuned out the noise, but he
definitely heard all the things and he wants to prove
all the doubters. Brow Caron Butler Johnny in studio. You
got a chancey Boston up close last night? Right, that
was crazy game where Oklama City could have ended at
the free to the line. They didn't. I guess Boston
screwed up to play and Moore still ends up hitting
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a crazy game winning three at the at the end
of the game. But remember this is a Boston team
that haven't had Gordon Heward the entire season. Kyrie missed
last night because of you no, no Jalen Brown. How
do they do it? Like it's easy to say, well,
well they got Brad Stevens, but like, come on, like, yes,
coaching does in fact matter some of it. His players
combined with coaching and belief, how have they been able
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to kind of maintain this pace in spite of the
fact haven't at Hayward and they've had so many other injuries. Yeah,
you know, sitting down with coach Brad Stevens yesterday, he
had said that point of emphasis is going to be
playing with sides. You know, so you got Greg Monroe,
you got Al Horford, and you got big guys with length,
and then you got Roso they're gonna play through those
guys as much as possible. And then the development of Tatum,
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he's been amazing, you know, a rookie, but a guy
has you know, season the moment, capitalizing on the moment,
and I think his development, you know, during the time
that Kyrie Irving and those guys are down and out.
You know, it's gonna pay extremely dividends going forward. If
you're a betting man, where does Lebron James play next year?
You know, I think Los Angeles, I really do. I
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think Los Angeles, depending on what the X it looked like.
Uh you know this season, I don't have them winning
the championship, possibly making it to the finals again, but
the road is going to be extremely tough. That The
reason why I say that is because, with all due respect,
you know, you look at Jordan Clarkson, you look at
you know, Nance and all those guys. The additions, These
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guys were second second string guys on their respective teams
coming in, so all of a sudden, you're gonna put
them in a in a space where now they have
to be consistent on a on a contender, And I
just think that's too quick of a light switch to
turn off for a young nucleus. And you know, it's
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it's demands playing with a guy like Lebron James, you know,
and the second best player playmaker. Lebron always had that playmaker,
and in Miami had Dwyane Wade, a healthy Dwyane Wade.
Now he goes back to Cleveland early he had Kyrie Irvin,
a guy that can close and get his shot grate
for others. And then now you look at the second
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best playmaker on that squad, it's probably Jordan Clarkson. Can
he be relied upon in the biggest moments? And I
love his game, huge fan of Jordan Clarkson, But this
is a different beast. This is a different animal, right.
It's the way It's one thing to get buckets off
the bench for a non playoff Laker team, it's a
whole other thing to do it in the NBA playoffs
when everything when when everyone has a scout on you,
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every possession is more important. There's a lot more pressure.
And you got Lebron James who puts his own kind
of amount of pressure on you. All right, I want
to ask you about some of the college players who
are declaring because you also covered college games for ESPN
and for Spectrum Sports earlier this year. First, so let's
get to Dan Buyer before rejoined by Karen Butler. Dan,
what's going on sports? On? The NFL Competition Committee is
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formulated a new rule, Well, I guess it's an old rule,
but they're clarifying the catch rule. Control of the football
is what a receiver needs. They also need two feet
down or a body part inbounds and a football move
and that will constitute a catch. Just needs to be
improved approved by the NFL next week at the annual meetings.
NFL Draft coming to Fox this April. First two days
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of the draft will air on Fox and be simulcast
on the NFL Network. The New York Day of the
news is the Jets tried to move up to number
one overall in the NFL Draft before striking a deal
with the Colts last weekend for number three. Well Raiders
running back Marshawn Lynch reportedly took a five hundred thousand
dollar pay cut to return to Oakland next season. That
second baseman Daniel Murphy won't be ready for the start
of the season as he continues to recover from micro
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not returning his Louisville's head coach after just one year
when he replaced Rick Pattino. Dean Wade could come off
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last week when he said after their loss in the
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every Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. Trey Young declares
for the NBA Draft before you even say anything, I'm
happy you did. I'm really because you know, this is
this is a guy that had us in all all
(31:57):
season and you know, we can we can talk about,
you know, them not playing extremely well down the stretch
or whatever, but Troy Trey Young was the end all
be all for that team. You know, he was a
guy that brought uh electric, you know, this flash and
flavor to that team and to you know, college basketball.
(32:17):
He became must watch television, you know, all season long.
So you know, I'm happy for him, happy for his family.
Definitely would be in the top fifteen, I believe, and
you know I'm looking forward to watching him develop on
the fly. Does that work in the NBA his game, Yeah,
I think he's a guy that you know it's gonna
have to develop, you know. But the thing that's super
(32:38):
intriguing about him, you know, you think about the Yukon guys,
and you think about, you know, Kimba Walker. You think
about uh, you know, smaller guards that's able to create
space and shoot, shoot off the dribble. He has unlimited range,
probably have a lack of size a little bit, and
(32:59):
he's gonna build on his strength and things like that,
but he just have it. Whatever it is, he has it,
and um, he's special. He's a special talent. So he's
going to be okay going. But let's let's let's let's
examine the Kemba Walker. So look, Kemba. I always thought
Kemba coming in, I thought he could be at his
best in the Jamal Crawford role, right, that was that
(33:22):
was what I thought. That was what I thought his
ceiling was. He's obviously exceed that becoming an All star.
But I thought you put Kemba Walker where you're like,
hey man, I don't wander about running any team. Just
minutes the game, you just go be, go, get buckets,
don't want about anything else. And because he has a
different gear, than most guys have. You know, Cason point
(33:43):
the last his last jump shot at Madison Square Garden
in the Big East Championship where he made the kid
from Pittsburgh fall down, you know, like Demba, like Kemba, Kemba.
The reason the step back works is you're so scared
of that first step that you and that you retreat
and then all of a sudden, You're legs just go,
they're just dead. Um. I know that that a jump
(34:04):
shot can also allow you to get space, you know,
because what in the NBA called gravity right where you know,
everybody's just drawn to you because they're they're scared of
that jump shot. But the numbers were bad. I mean
I read them on air yesterday since February one from
two from three, and I I know early in the
(34:25):
year it was he was at a ridiculous level. But
it's like, you're trying to be Steph and everybody wants
him to be Steph, but he's just not Steph. And
my fear is, or maybe the reality is you go
to the NBA and you've played this one way where
you've always had the ball and always been able to
either you try and do that, and you know how
vets are vets like young fella passed the ball um
(34:49):
or he tries to change his game, and that's even
maybe harder to do. Two things. If if you're if
you're on, if you're in the lottery one, you're gonna
go to a team that's going to feature So he's
not gonna have to worry about too many vets telling
him like, don't do this and don't do that. As
you saw with the lines of ball this season with
the Lakers, Luot Thing and those guys was sitting down
(35:10):
watching him develop on the fly. So it's gonna be
the same thing with Trey Young. And then also if
you look at what you touched on the spacing and
now people are keying in on all his strengths. And
then once he gives up the ball, you have to
think about the talent that he's also playing with. So
the talent pool goes up a notch. He's gonna be
(35:31):
playing with elite talented players. Guys that you know, been
the man on their team, whether it's college or you know,
had a little season in the NBA, know how to play,
uh specialized in making shots or being playmakers or what
have you. So he's gonna be highlighted and featured in
a different way. Therefore he's going to be able to
(35:51):
be successful. One of the things you guys have with Yukon,
it's two parts to it. Calhoumand always tell me, I
tell guys to go, but it wasn't necessary based upon
whether they're drafted. But you got to focus on getting
that second contract right. He was always he was big
because the second contract is the generational wealth, is the
big money. But he also you guys, there was demands
that you played defense, and those demands weren't made to
(36:15):
him this year. How hard is it to especially in
the league you cover the league for Turner Coaran Butler
joining us. Check him out noon to three Eastern every
Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. Now in the NBA,
everybody wants to switch, you know, obviously don't switch with Staff.
They kind of hide him with Golden State. But that
he's he's smaller than Staff, he's younger than Staff coming out,
(36:35):
and he hasn't there hasn't been the demands on him
to play defense. How difficult and adjustment is that. It's
gonna be a difficult adjustment, But it's the adjustment that
you know, that's what it's all about. Development. How many
guys do you know in the NBA are two way
players right now? There's a handful of them, and we
we highlight the guys that do play on the defensive end.
We we talked about Kawhi Leonard, we talked about Clay Thompson.
(36:57):
We talked about like these guys, what you're supposed to do, right,
You don't supposed to just be an athlete. Is supposed
to play both sides of the floor. You're supposed to
be offensively sound, supposed to have a skill set on
defense as well. You're supposed to be uh this, have
a niche. His niche right now is he can make shots,
he can make plays, and he has no sillings. His
(37:20):
his his his his future is extremely bright. Like I
love what I'm seeing out of him. And he's still
so he's relatively young, you know, so he has a
bright future, all right. DeAndre Aton or Marvin Bagley. Bagley
is more of a face up four who can score
some of the post. Eytan, you talk about two A
guy can help you as a shot blocker, can also
shoot the ball and score in the post. You have
(37:42):
the number one pick who do you take him? What
I'm gonna take Aid And and the reason why I
say that is, you know, I think you didn't really
get a chance to see the real Arizona team because
of all the controversy and adversity there was going through,
you know, before they was fighting the battle before they
even made it to the court. So now you look
at a guy like Aiden Um athletically he's off the charts. Um,
(38:05):
he's a man's a grown man, you know, playing amongst
you know children this season they say the least and
I feel like his upside is, you know, he has
no sillings and you know, going forward, I think he's
going to be special. It's it's really crazy though on
how there there seems to be the rebirth of the
big band in the NBA. And I'll be fast to
see how they can adjust because the officiating now helps
(38:26):
the guards. Right, you can't touch guys in the perimeter.
There's no rarely calling a legal screen, you know, so
you can run up and Clint Capella last night, act
like you're sitting the screen on one side, flip it
and said on the other side, it's really confusing with
but they haven't done the same thing for Biggs. And
yet you see Joel Embiid, you see uh Yokich, you
see Carl Town's, you see both the bigs in New Orleans.
(38:50):
Um all, you know, all performing really really well without
the help of the official. It feels though like that
we're we're very, very close to the kind of rebirth
of the Big Man. Hearing you to an NBA champion, Yeah,
we we saw this. Uh. I was watching Kobe's moose
Cage and he has said that this could be the
death of the Big Man or the reasurgence of the
Big Man, because the game is so perimeter oriented and
(39:15):
it doesn't it doesn't cater to what we traditionally seen
for years with the Big Man, you know, operating in
the post, getting the contacts. It's more pace, it's not
more grinded out. Uh it's tempo. So if you have
guys that can come in and you know, add that
dimension and make it, you know, something super intriguing to watch,
(39:38):
then it's gonna it's gonna help the case because it's
all about you know, ratings, it's all about viewership, it's
all about excitement, and you know, people don't want to
look at a game. That's this mucked up. They want
to look at pace, they want to look at high scoring,
and they want to see excitement. Yeah, I still think that, Yes,
they want to see the threes and the dunks and
the excitement, but they're all also what is something to
(39:59):
Like you go to NBA game and there's a seven
footer going against another seven footer and these guys are
it's not like in the seventies or early eighties, like
these dudes are super super athletic, right, and there has
to be away. It is mucked up when it's down there, right,
I mean, they're just beating the crap out of each other.
It's really really hard to even make a move in
the low post. That's why teams don't post up anymore.
(40:20):
It's gotta be away in which they can tighten up
the officia and to loosen up down there. Yea. And
what's what's super intriguing now with the NBA. It's all
about space and it's about real estate because everything is
perimeter oriented. So you want to give guys that space
to operate and play that temple and have the exciting
place where you're going down he'll get into the paint
(40:40):
and forcing your thrust offensively on the defensive guy and
having the exciting place. But if somebody's always clogged up
in the paint, it takes away from a lot of things,
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Fox Sports Radio joins the show. Uh, he knows all
the lines, knows all the numbers, knows all the trends.
Let me just out back to last weekend, last Friday night,
r J how Big an upset was that UNBC over Virginia.
(41:45):
They had a lot of ways to look at it,
right on one hand, and this is a little bit
of cold water on it wasn't even the biggest upset
in the history of the tournament based upon seedings. Right,
So if you go back to two, was in twelve
a number two Missouri team lost to Norfolk State as
(42:05):
a twenty one and a half point underdog, and u
NBC was about twenty one, so right in that range.
But that Missouri loss was even bigger. Now, what's crazy
about that. What's crazy about the Missouri game is that
they were also I believe, the first team to lose
shooting eighty. It was a fifty forty over fifty over
(42:28):
forty over eighty and lost the game like they didn't.
It wasn't like Virginia or Michigan State. They couldn't buy
couldn't buy a bucket. They actually made shots, they just
couldn't get a stop. Well that's I didn't really remember that,
but that's you're right. Anatomy of these big upsets, especially
in this high variance age of so many three pointers, right,
(42:50):
which allows a underdog to potentially get really hot and
play a high variance game, but it also allows a
favor to play a high variance game that goes against
them right in that extreme range of the variants. So
that that's a fascinating point on that two thousand twelve game. Now,
when it comes to cash twenty five to one, underdog
(43:11):
u MBC winning the game outright, you might think, oh
r J. Who had that? Nobody had that one guy
and I guess he was an alum or associated with
the school. He bet eight hundred dollars here in Vegas
to win over sixteen thousand. I tweeted out the ticket.
So pretty amazing, not only the huge upset but a
(43:33):
huge payoff for that fellow. Yeah, it was. I'm actually
looking at the Norfolk State Bucks score. Norfolk State eighties
six eighty four was the final score. And Missouri check
out these numbers. Uh. Missouri for the game shot sixteen
of twenty six from two thirteen of twenty nine from
three forty four nearly forty five percent. They shot seventy
(43:56):
six percent from three from the three to line thirteen
of seventeen. Uh and they only had eight turnovers, I mean,
and they still lost the game. That's because they couldn't
stop anybody. It's crazy, you know, dog it in my opinion,
and I say this to you often, one of the
sharpest college basketball guys out there. You for sure, in
my opinion, do you agree with me? And I think
(44:17):
the math makes it unequivocal that the very best teams
actually suffer from all the threes. Where if somehow some
question you agree with you, I mean, like, look at
look at the two biggest almost the most pronounced upsets
in the first and that what Thursday or Friday, Buffalo
was fifteen of thirty from three, right, UNBC was twelve
(44:41):
twenty four from three. The way to beat the bigger
traditional teams has played small ball and shoot and make
a lot of threes. You make of your threes, especially
when you make more than ten of them, you're gonna
win most of those games. And you think about it
as much as we think back okay, nfol back in
Jim Brown's days very different than today. We get that
since in every sport, right Mickey man o versus today,
(45:03):
But you think about college basketball, no threes and no
shot clock. Boy, those and obviously John Warden was amazing,
but those victories very different basketball than today. Probably the
most of any sport, the difference from let's say forty
years ago until today. Uh. But this is uh the
Doug Gollip Show on Fox Sports Radio. R J. Belzer
(45:23):
guests from pregame dot com. But you can also hear
him on Fox Sports Radio Friday night at eleven o'clock
Pacific time. Saturday, uh again and Saturday morning as well
Eastern time. Uh, Saturday night at ten o'clock at night
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straight out Vegas or just go to pregame dot com
or follow him on Twitter. Let's let's get to the
Sweet sixteen. I read this that only one Elite eight
(45:46):
team has been seated worse than the number eleven. None
this year. So as much as there's been a wide
variance of upsets in the first weekend in the first round, uh,
the word no twelves over five, and there's there's there's
you know, no terrible seeds heading into the six sweet sixteen. Yeah,
I think you touched on, in my opinion, the underreported
(46:09):
story here, which is as much as we've got that
sixteen seed, but as I like to say, trademark pending
Cinderella is invited to the dance, but she has a curfew.
Well that's sixteen obviously played a heck of a game,
covered the spread, lost against Kansas State, but no team
worse than an eleven even making the Sweet sixteen, which
(46:32):
makes that Elite eight trend a lock no matter who wins.
And think about that now, after this year, in the
modern era, dug, there's gonna have been two hundred and
eighty Elite eight teams and one worse than an eleven seed.
I mean, all this talk of twelves, and obviously this
year the twelves were over. But the idea that that
(46:55):
that one has made the Elite eight in the modern
era worse than eleven doesn't mean we shouldn't have sixty
four teams in the tournament. But boy, it's so clear
that there's a ceiling each round and that continues all
the way to the finals. Last twenty nine years, twenty
eight times a four seed or batter has won the
(47:16):
n c A tournament. Right, let's get to some of
the Sweet sixteen games. Let's start with Kentucky. Kentucky a
young team. First game they beat Davidson didn't even make
a three point shot. We talked about three point shots,
oh of nine from three uh. And then you know
they play Buffalo, who seemed to really be bothered by
the length and run out of little Gas and they
beat Kentucky. Now they get Kansas State legit high major,
but Kansas State doesn't know how much or if they'll
(47:38):
have Dean Wade, who's their leaders score, the best player
in all league player. The lines moved from four and
a half to five and a half. Where's the smart money?
I tell you I've never seen a team and I
might that might sound extreme, never, but I don't think
I have that's gone from being underrated to overrated so quickly,
literally a couple you know, last game, I would still
(48:00):
make the case Kentucky was underrated, and you mentioned it
their youth, because you've got games from November, you know,
even a little earlier through March, and it's not that long, right,
five months or so. You're gonna blend those five months
and look at the stats, look at the record. But
young teams in college basketball that are pedigree, that have
(48:22):
great young players can trend upwards faster than any other league.
So the way Kentucky was playing in December very different
than the way they were playing in February and March.
The market, the Vegas market had not caught up to that.
But now that if you look in their region, the
ones out, the two's out, the threes out, the four's out,
(48:43):
and the six is out. The fact they have such
a clear path to the final four, now everyone's woken
up to how good Kentucky is. So I would probably
lean Kansas State, like you said, injury questions, but I
think right now Kentucky is overrated, all right, loyala Chicago.
You know, Kentucky could go through Kansas State as the
highest seed before they get to the final four. Litle
(49:07):
Chicago and Nevada. Lota Chicago has got sister Jean on
their side. Uh, but they she didn't pick that, She
didn't pick him into the lead eight. She she did
not against Nevada team that came from down twenty two
to beat Cincinnati. It's it's interesting, like you can take
shots at Loules Chicago saying, hey, Tennessee had him. Then
they stopped playing like Nevado was down twenty two points. Nevadas,
(49:30):
I believe a point a half favorite is what it
opened it. It's a point and a half favorite as
of now, if you had to lean where would it be.
We were talking about this on our podcast. Let me
ask you. An expert that I trust on the Pot
said that Nevada when they are playing their defined offense,
has been horrible in the tournament. And obviously we know
they've tray out against Texas to by double digits, but
(49:54):
then they go with their best player kind of spread
it out NBA style and this guy's brought him back.
As you've watch these games, is that the way you've
seen it when they've been in offense, Nevada has really
been outplayed. Yeah. I mean, look, they don't have their
point guard, Lindsey Drew towards Achilles Tendon, and so you
have the Martin twins, Caleb Martins the better of the
two twins, and yeah, they just kind of isolate their
(50:15):
guys and let them go. And that's what and playing
on the whole game. Uh yeah, turn turn around the
entire game. So I would the big thing is to me,
can you can you if you can pressure Nevada without
a point guard? You know the kid the Martins are
are really more threes and fours than they are ones.
Can you can turn them over and you can make
them look bad. I just don't know if that's the
personality of Loyala, even though loyal to play small. I
(50:39):
like Nevada in the game. Here's the thing. If Nevada
comes out and commits, they're gonna run the normal offense
for a majority of the game. I would really like
Loyola here, but I am afraid they're gonna say, listen,
we've played poorly that way. Let's go this NBA style
the whole game. Then I probably like Nevada. So I've
seen sharps on both sides of this. I'm passing Duke.
(51:00):
Syracuse is one that's a big number. Eleven and a
half now. Duke beat them at their place by sixteen points,
ruling in the year when Syracuse only scored forty four.
But Syracuse has found a way to get kind of,
you know, blood from a rock if you will, playing
these absolute grinders and just getting a bucket from tius
battle here or there and winning games. Why does Vegas
(51:21):
not think this is gonna be a grinder? Yeah, so
right now, Duke favored by eleven and a half. I
think it's justified. Syracuse was the most egregious in the
eyes of Vegas, in the eyes of the power ratings,
most the egregious inclusion into the tournament. Now they've redeemed
themselves so and we see that often that one team
(51:43):
that gets the most media heat for making the tournament
tends it tends to one at least step up one
game and make their statement. Now, I think some of
the other wins, and remember Syracuse won three games in
that first week, is about that zone. It's so quirky
if you haven't faced it, and if you're not physically
able to deal with the length, and Syracuse is obviously
(52:05):
a pedigreed program, it's a problem. Duke not only can
deal with it physically, they've already played this zone. And
if you look on the other side Duke, and I'm
sure you've talked about this dog when they went to
a zone, predominantly their defense has gotten much much better. Well,
the thing about Duke is they still even in the zone,
(52:25):
they struggle to guard people. The good news is that
Syracus just doesn't appear to have the the firepower to score, right.
It's like, all right, so sometimes they there's some stat
where North Carolina had all these uncontested shots in their
a c C matchup against Duke. Would that Duke won
the semifinals, but North Carolina didn't make them that Syracuse.
(52:46):
Syracus just doesn't have anybody can shooting score. But wouldn't
you say if it's all relative? Right? Maybe objectively, now
Duke isn't a great defense, but relative to before they
played the zone, would you agree their efficiency has gone
way up? Yes, some of it was that they were
playing the bottom of the a c C during that
period of time, but yes, but it's gone through the tournament, uh,
(53:08):
the conference tournament and now the n c A tournament,
and they've kept up. I think their improvement. I tend
to agree with you, all right, real quick picks Purdue Tech.
What's your lean? Uh, Texas Tech? Here, I think Purdue, Uh,
the absence of their big man did not hurt them
as much last game because the matchups, I think it
hurts them more. Here. Completely agree Villanova West Virginia. This
(53:28):
is West Virginia is big. They pressed Villanova a little
bit smaller. They shoot a ton of threes, which and
they're they're also a prohibitive favorite. Thoughts. Yeah, so Villanova
five and a half in this game. I like Villanova.
West Virginia's press is a differentiator. It's quirky. Villanova has
great guard play. I think they have enough to combat
and you have a week to prepare for that press
as opposed to one day to prepare for that press.
(53:49):
Gonzaga Florida State. These games out in l A. You'll
be sitting in Vegas. I'll be sitting courtside in l Aza.
Gonzaga fourth straight Sweet sixteen. Went to the Final four
last year. A Florida State team who was down twelve
in the waning minutes and came back and beat Xavier.
But a very athletic Florida State team. Yeah, a good
bit of money on Florida State opened up the Zags.
Mine is seven down to five and a half. I
(54:11):
would lean that way, but I'm not gonna bet that
one in. But I will be betting the last game
this Kansas Clemson. Oh yeah, I forgot clant Kansas Clemson.
You're you're betting which way? I like? Kansas here and
I'll tell you this the one game that spoke to
me about Kansas and again you knowing the Big twelve,
especially that team loves the streak of winning in the
(54:32):
regular season Conference. It was thirteen in a row. Now
they were down one game against Tech. It was a
hack of a comeback. Everyone said, oh self doesn't really
care about the conference tournament as much, but he wants
to beat Okay State in the first round because of
revenge they did. Oh, then he doesn't want to lose
against Kansas State. They beat them in State right, obviously
the arrival, but then in the finals they were underdogs
(54:53):
against West Virginia. The fact they won that game tell
me something about this team. I think Kansas is underrated.
They've got a quasi home field advantage home court advantage
Kansas minus four and a half. I think one of
the better bets of Thursday and Friday. Go to pregame
dot com or follow him on Twitter, or even better yet,
listen to his radio show Friday night straight at a
(55:13):
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He's the only r J Bell r J great stuff,
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