Live From The Final Four!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to What Up America Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the I believe sunny
city of San Antonio. Thunderstorms last night, but the sun
has peered through its eighty degrees outside, and we're at
the site of the Final four. And man, we got

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some great coaches that will be joining us. Three time
National championship head coach. Jim Calhoun, the Hall of Famer.
We'll join us in about an hour and a half.
Chris Beard, head coach in Texas Tech. They game came
up just one game short. Bruce Webber also one game
short with Kansas State, but he has played in a
national championship game or coach in the National Championship game
going back to his days at at Illinois. Victor Oladipo,

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who's had a breakthrough year with the Indiana Pacers. He
is gonna join us upcoming in uh in fifteen minutes, So, man,
we got a lot to get to. Um might have
a chance to catch up with Mike Boyden, the head
coach of Oklahoma State. Jerry Palm from CBS war It's
gonna join us. Man. We have an awesome show. But
before we turn our attention. Maybe this is a little

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bit of paying attention to basketball and football. There's a
story in football which I think actually relates or should
relate to most basketball players. My my brother is an
assistant coach at Oregon State, used to be an assistant
coach at Cal. Before that, he was at San Diego State,

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and he has he has. What he says to players
that have declared for the draft or they're getting ready
for an NBA workout is make them pay to see
what you don't do. Make them pay to see what
you don't do. And by that he means, hey, look,

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if you're not a good shooter, don't show him you're
not a good shooter. Show him that. Everything else you
do to defense basketball like you, toughness, passing, basing, screening,
all of that stuff is NBA caliber. Finish at the rim,
get to the freezing line, make your shots. You can't
shoot threes, like, don't go and try and prove. Hey

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that their scant report says you can't shoot. Make them
draft you in order to prove, or make them bring
you in on a workout they want to see if
you can shoot. Make them invest in you in order
to find out whether or not you can do what
they don't think you can do. Understand. When I was
a player, Uh, it's something I learned and now anytime

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I've been around teams where I've coached teams that I
try and relate to people, is this The difference between
college players and pro players is NBA players do what
they do and don't do anything else. And I understand
there's this idea in our minds. And look, I can

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tell you that in my professional world, I always kind
of push the boundaries of when people I think typecast
me because I played college basketball, because I played professional basketball,
because my dad was a coach, my brother is a coach.
I've been around in my whole life, and the Final
Four is like a reunion to me. Because of all
these things. There's sometimes a listener can say, well, you're

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basketball gay, what do you know about football? Well, I mean, yeah,
I played football growing up, and I know several executives
in the NFL and a handful of players in the NFL.
But more than anything, I've also watched and evaluated as
a broadcaster for fifteen years nationally. And while that might
not mean anything like, look, I'm not gonna sit there
and tell you compared to a pro football former pro

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football player, or coach, I know as much, but I'm
able to form an educated opinion as much as anybody
who's just a broadcaster. Right, Like being in a locker room,
Phil Simpson tell me, like sports and sports, you understand
the dynamics of a locker room and understand the dynamics.
And there's a lot of things similar in basketball zone defense,
football zone versus man and man and mesh routes and

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terms of handoffs and basketball, a lot of things that
are similar, if not exactly the same. So I think
what's fascinating about a decision Lamar Jackson made today is
that it it parallels the mistaken decision that so many

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basketball players will make leading up to the NBA Draft,
or leading up or or playing in events in front
of college basketball coaches where they're doing the opposite of
what pros do. Pros do what they do well, and
don't do what they don't do well. Really, really smart
players make you pay to see what make them pay

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to see what you don't do. Um, there's there's there's
two parts to this story with the former Louisville quarterback
Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson doesn't have an agent. His mom
is operating as an agent. He didn't not want to
run the forty at the combine, and he did not

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run the forty at Louisville's pro day today. And it's
a mistake and to anybody else. And and they'll there
will be people on Twitter, and they'll be people and
write columns, will be people on TV. They're like, hey,
everybody knows he's fast. What's the winning showing them you're fast?

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So instead he's going to just simply throw because Lamar
Jackson believes, believes that the narrative against him is he's
not an accurate enough thrower, and with a with a
planned out pro day, he can prove them wrong. It's

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a terrible decision on a multitude of levels. Now, look
the narrative on Lamar Jackson, if you really want to
be honest, is boy he was. He was weak at
the white board, he was weak in the wonder lips,
wearing only a thirteen. And he's it's not just that
he's inaccurate, he's inaccurate in routes that should be elementary

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for any quarterback who's played under Bobby Petrino. They're very
short and intermediate routes that don't expose a lack of
arm strength, and he doesn't have a lack of arm strength.
So when you're fighting the battle of hey, maybe he's
not cognitively where some of those other guys are yet,

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and maybe he's not accurate yet if it's me, And
obviously there's some things in the NFL draft prospect process
that you can't you know, you can't do as you
can't not throw, and you can't and you can't not
take the Wonderlick test, but you do have a decision

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to run the forty and to not run it. To me,
is it's a sign that he doesn't have an agent.
It's a sign that he doesn't understand the just the
whole mantra, all these different things I've told you, is
play to your strengths, and what are his strengths. He's
a freak athlete. He's a freak. He can throw the
ball a d r's in the air, and he can
run somewhere around a four three forty. And if I'm

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advising Lamar Jackson, I would sit down and say, what
are the what are the five best things you do
on a football field, Well, throw a deep ball, great, great,
I run great, right, I throw a deep out great great,
I throw a slank right now. That's the five things
we're gonna do. But to to take away the thing
he does best, which is absolute positive freak athleticism, to me,

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signals one he doesn't have an agent, and two he
doesn't know what he doesn't know, which is the sign
of a lack of of wherewithal for the NFL draft process.
If you are arguably the most athletic quarterback we've ever seen,
potentially going in the first round, why wouldn't you? What's

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the what's the bad part of putting that on display?
Because if I go there, I'm a GM, I go there,
I'm a president, or you have a team owner with
you and you've watched the tape of like, yeah, you
can throw it all right? Wonder look wasn't very good.
How's he run? Well? He runs in in pads? What's
he run the four? To you? If he put up

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a four to eight or a four three two or
a four three four, what you're gonna end up doing?
You're a general manager, you're a president, You're you're gonna
convince yourself you know what we can fix those other things.
I can make him into a better thrower through time
and through you know, building relationships and understanding and offense

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I can have, you'll have better football. Like you you
read shirt room for a year in Cleveland, you read
shirt room for a year with the Jets, you can
get better football. We already have quarterbacks. And when he's
around a Josh McCown, when he's around a Tyrod Taylor,
he can learn those things. What you can't learn is, Dude,
that guy's the fastest quarterback I've ever seen. And to

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not run a forty when that's the best thing you do,
There's there's nothing more frustrating when you go to see
a band in the summer, then when they have that
one song and they wait until they're on core to
plant right, they wait until they're on core to play
that one song. The only thing worse is if they

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don't play that song. Like imagine any of your one
hit Wonders, or imagine any of your favorite groups and
they don't play their most imagine if Barry Manolo didn't
play Mandy, you wouldn't you wouldn't go to see Barry
Manielo play. And that's what happened. That's what happened earlier. Today,

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I wouldn't draft him, not because of the thirteen on
the wonderlick or the lack of accuracy. I don't love him.
And if you want to say it's because he's black,
that's fine. I just have enough. I have enough, you know,
reasons to point to as a football player that I
don't love him. But the idea that you would withhold
the best thing you do, that you are blessed with

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and you have developed and you have honed and is
a strength and just not do it, almost out of spite,
just to me. You don't know who you are. And
while the San Antonio Spurs tell everybody, hey, get over yourself,
Doug Golib tells people, you've got to know who you are.

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Play to your strengths. And this strikes me as a
as a young athlete who doesn't know who he is,
who doesn't have any leadership in his life, and he's
not playing to his strengths, and instead he's trying to
show you that your analysis of the weaker part of
his games, he knows more than you do about something
that mostly the scouts have been doing this their entire

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lives and they don't have a racist bone in their body.
They're just trying to find the next great quarterback that
keeps them gainfully employed or that gets them to be
promoted to be the general manager. Like the idea that
you think a general managers racist, because all that were
a or a scout is ready. All a scout wants
to do is I want to find I want to
be the guy who discovers the next Russell Wilson, because
if I do, then I get to be a GM.

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the side of the Final four. Sant Antonio, but let's

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move to the NBA. He's a leading candidate for Most
Improved Player and All Defensive Team honors. He was traded
in the off season from the Oklahoma City Thunder, where
he played for one year after being dragged by the
Orlando Magic and playing for them. Uh. And most people
thought the Pacers went around thirty games. They won forty
four already this year. He's Victor Oladipo. He joins us

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on Fox Sports Radio, Vic, how are you? I'm good man,
How are you good? Um? All right? I want your
your honest reaction when you found out you were traded
in the off season to Indie. Um. I was shocked,
definitely shocked. I was on the plane. I didn't find
out until I landed on social media. Oh man, the

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guy one of my main store so I was flying with,
and I told me you just got traded to the
Indiana Pacers for Paul George. And I thought he was
joking at first, And I turned on my phone and
the tech start of flooding, and I knew it wasn't
a joke when when the trade went down, Um, I

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can remember there's a litany of people, big name people
who covered the NBA in the media that said the
Oklahoma City thunder won this trade? Did did did you
hear that? Did you hear that narrative as well? It
was a hard monsters. Yeah. I definitely heard people's opinions

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about the trade and what they thought about it, so
I couldn't really control it. So Vic, why was that?
I mean, like, listen, do you think it was it
because your your averages hadn't gone down? It just hadn't
gone up from going from Orlando to Oklahoma City, And like, look,

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you played with Russell Westbrook who won the m v P.
Why do why do you think it was that here
you're a young starting player under club control with a contract,
and yet there was there was a sense of negativity
even though like it was too starters for one. Why
do you think that that was people's reaction? Initially, I'm
not sure, but I mean it is what it is.

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Like I said, I couldn't really control their opinions and
their reactions and what they felt about the trade, and
maybe on the outside looking in and and looking you
know at the paper and stuff like that, you might
think it was. But again I had no control over it,
so uh, you know, get my best on making sure
it didn't affecting him anyway, and just continue to keep

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getting better. What was it? What? What? What did you?
I mean? Obviously, look, I know you're uh, like Russell Westbrook,
you're an incredible worker. In the off season. Was there
anything you did differently from that point forward that that
that forever changed your career because you have had an
absolute breakout year this year? Was anything you did differently?
I did a lot of things differently, you know. I

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kind of set up camp in Miami and worked out
there with David out example at BBCO Worth on my
body with them, my mind, and uh, I worked on
my game as well, and spending most towards the end
of the summer in there like um and played pick
up and just worked on my body in my mind
the whole summer, invested in myself and my body and

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it turned out great for me. When did you know, hey,
you know what this might work? This this team was?
Was there a was there a moment in the preseason?
Was there a moment early on the year. Was there
a moment to which you went home and you're like, yo,
we were pretty good. Um Oh, I feel like there's

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a few moments, um, But I know I remember. I
could remember during the preseason, you know, just remember sting
shots and in preciating and missing and everybody on the
bench is like, yo, just keep shooting, keep shooting. Like
I was never used to that. That was something new
for me, So I knew it was gonna be different
right then and there. Like they believed in me, you know,

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just as much as I believe in myself. So right
then and there, when you have something like that behind you,
you're all doing the fluid, you have that trust with it,
with the guys on your team and the coaching staff,
then it makes it that much easier to play. Yeah,
it's it's it's it's fascinating to me because you are
so young and soil in your career, and you know

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last your team was built so differently. I know how
it how it is. Everyone looks at stats the same
and so much of it is about kind of opportunity.
What what's this coaching staff done that's allowed you more
than just giving you the ball? More and giving you
more opportunities. What have they done schematically that's allowed you
to kind of play your game, not just for not
just allowing you to miss shots and play through it.

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I think they're teaching me, you know what I mean,
both defensively and intensively teaching me on how to be
a leader. Um. They teaching me how to you know,
kind of implement my game within the game, um, and
how to be smart make decisions. And it basically told me,
you know, I have a lot of responsibility and I
gotta be you know, to be ready every night. And

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you know with that, you know, my game kind of
came out with that responsibility. So they've done a great
job of putting us all in position to be successful,
not just myself. It's been great. Yeah, except when you
go to Golden State and they try and bloody your nose,
They try and knock your teeth out right, And that's
that's I guess that's a sign of respect when dudes
aren't letting you go to the lane anymore. Yeah, definitely,

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you know, it's been extremely different after they also and
breaking for is like the way you guys a game
playing for me, and it was a part of the
respect level would obviously be in that is what I
asked for. So it's another learning care of something that
I gotta get used to and learn and just continue
to keep getting better at it. So no matter what
they hit me, would I'll be ready for Victor Oladipot,

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a star for the Indiana Pacers, joining us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh. The thing that I think is
hardest for fans to quantify is what you do at
the defensive end, right Like, this is a different way
of talking about it in the league as opposed to
fans of the league it's when Kauai's healthy or what
k d has done this year in in really digging
into the defensive end, it's something you've you've always tried

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to do, but this year it's it's got to be
even harder to get the respect for what you're still
doing defensively, even though you know everyone looks at how
many points you had, how many rebounds you had, how
many assists you had. People don't can't quantify defensively. How
what's the challenge been like to keep buying into playing
both ends even though a lot of the rewards and

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a lot of the acclaim is based upon what you
do with the offensive end. Uh yeah, but um, I
agree with that. I feel like defense the championships and
win games. I mean that sounds kind of Nash really
believe that. And for me, I mean, I'm like, you know,
I pretty much was. That's why I solidified myself was

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on the defensive end. My skills came later in life,
So I take it personal on defense. On the defensive ending,
that's kind of what I live and read, and I
feel like my offense kind of is, um kind of
spearheaded by my defense, almost like it's like a catapult
defensively when I when I'm when I'm great defensively, I

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know I'll be great offensively. So that's what I'm locked
in on and stopping guys and making it tougher guys
and stuff like that. So, um no, it's not easy
obviously trying to play both ends at a high level.
But in order to be great, you gotta do that innattional,
don't focus on door, no question, and and doing it
day in there. That's interesting that your defense ends up
propelling you on offense. I always thought like you were

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one of those guys that if you've got a dunk early,
all of a sudden, now you'll start hitting every jump shot.
I always feel like you're a guy who when you
get one of those ferocious dunks now a sudden that
the basket becomes bigger. There's no sense of that. Oh yeah, definitely.
I mean that's I feel like there's any basketball player. Though,
what if you get it dunk and it kind of
catapults you ain't your teammates. So that's obviously one aspect

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of the game. But I think defensively when I mean
my best defensively, than I'll be at my best offensively.
All Right, you gotta help me out with this, Victor
Ladipo Jonius in the Dug glaf Show. You gotta how
how did you lose to Dallas in Atlanta? Like, come on, man,
those those teams are trying to lose games yet, I mean,
you guys have yet. You can't. You can't go and
beat Miami the Clippers, you beat Boston the road, you

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beat Philly on the road. You needn't play well and
you beat You beat Philly on the road and you lost.
How are you gonna lose the Dallas and to Atlanta's
premis those teams and they're trying to lose games. Yeah,
I know, you know it. I guess are just the Knights,
one of the Knights in the NBA. So at the
end of the day, they're still NBA players and they
might be trying to lose, but the organization might be

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trying to day not and some it's over the course
of eight two games, you're not gonna be perfect, and
unfortunately you're gonna lose the teams you should beat, or
you might be some things that you should uh according
to the two extras and know as you should lose too.
But unfortunately to drop those two But you did a
great job bouncing back that later in that week. So

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it was a great learning experience for us, no no
question about it. Did you see Shack and his voice
over over Lebron after they lost in Miami? See, yeah,
I heard, I see, I saw that. That's one. That's
that's funny. How real is that in terms of the
challenges of like if you have a you have a
night off in Miami before you play in Miami, how
real is that as a challenge. Oh, that's definitely real.

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I Mean Miami isn't the only city I believes like
this all the cities like this, but it's gotta be
mentally strong and realized why you're there, un kind of realized.
It's a business trip no matter where you're at. Um,
is it fair to say the trade ends up being
the best thing that happened you? Um? Yeah, I mean
it's probably too easy, too early to say right now.

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I got told somebody before I would never be comfortable
in a situation, and after getting traded twice a year,
so that's a good thing. That makes me continue to
keep working hard and starting for more and start for
greetings and at the end of the day, you know,
later down the road, maybe I can say that, but
right now I'm just focused on chasing number one. Number
one is that saw. I focus on chasing it, trying

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to be the best Victor Bocking. Hey, Vick, listen, Obviously
you've had an incredible year, and I know it's it's
a snapshot of of of I think things that come
in the future, but it's also speaks incredibly well for
how hard you've worked to get here and to take
that next step. We wish you nothing but success the
rest of the regular season into the playoffs, and thanks

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for joining us on Fox. Sports Radio. Thank you for
having me. I appreciate it all right. That's Victor Oladipo
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baseball to get to. But first some basketball. As Philadelphia
seventy Sixers beat writers including at the Inquirer reporting on
Joel Embid with his facial injury. Now he will not
try with the Sixers on their two game road trip.
Got out of the hospital today. He's home but still
undergoing further tests this week. Five NBA games tonight, including
the Warriors having the late game against Milwaukee Golden States

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last six of nine, but Kevin Durant is due to
return to play tonight after his rib injury. Into the
Basketball Hall of Fame this year Jason Kidd, Steve Nash,
and Grant hit All it'll be official on Saturday. Also
into the Hall reportedly are Buri's cheeks and coach Lefty
Drizzle as he is Rob Thorne as a contributor now
to the Baseball in Progress Through seven innings in Miami,
the Cubs lead is eight four over the Marlins. In

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this one, three solo homers for the Cubbies, including one
on the first pitch of the season by Ian Halp.
In fact, Miami starting pitcher Jose Irainia allowed that early
home run, had three hit batters in the first inning,
the bases loaded walk as well. He went four innings
with five runs allowed. Also in progress, bottom of the
sixth in New York, Mets up eight four over the Cardinals.
Twins at Orioles scoreless, bottom of the second starting up

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in a few minutes. It's the Champion Astros at Texas
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is having a breakout here. I I didn't tell Victor,
but me and Dan doctors the only two guys. And
when that trade was made, I was like, dude, indie
won that trade. Victor Oladipo's under club control for like
four years and Savonas started fifty games as a as

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a rookie. Paul George is gonna be an Oklahoma City
for like five minutes. That one was easy, but anyway,
whole different story when you get the basketball, um, let's
welcome to the guy who joined us before last weekend.
Of course, his team makes a run all the way
to the Elite eight before falling to Villanova. He's they
beat Perdue. His name is Chris Beard. Of course he

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dominates Perdue in the end. If there's Purdue and he
takes on Chris Beer in the term, you know Purdue
was going home. He joins us now in San Antonio
here side of the Final four. Perduce's gotta not want
to see you ever again, ever, ever again. That would
be fine with me. I don't like playing against math
Painter teams either. It's a lot more difficult than it
looks okay, so you you lose to Nova, but you

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guys couldn't make a layup. I mean, what how much
of that was them? How much of it was you?
And the pressure of the moment, like UM to take
me into what that's like to watch, Well, that was
absolutely big part of the game. Um. We actually had
seven drives in the second half that were drives that
we expect to finish, like. We talked a lot about
our guys gotta make half your shots in big games.

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You gotta make eight percent of your finishes. What we
talked about. In that game, we had seven layups. We
just didn't feel good about. UM. But I think you
gotta get Villanova credit. They got one of these defensive though.
I've never seen anything quite like it. They don't file
with their upper bodies at all, but they kind of
get a little piece of you with their lower bodies.
It's got to be something they teach, and it's brilliant.
UM coach right, who I don't know, was so gracious

(27:07):
after the game, and I'm just gonna try to reach
out to him this offseason and maybe get that trick.
I actually I don't know if you. I texted Sean Sutton.
I actually text all of you guys like I don't
before the game, like they foul but don't get called
for fouls because they use their legs. And actually, when
I coached this last summer, I I showed guys Villanova
tape and I even tell little kids, like watch Villanova,

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this is how you have to play defense. Can they
you play defense? Physically? They're super fit. It's not that
they're not physical, and it's not like they shove. They
just use their lower body. And I think they're thirty
eight this year. Last last two years they were top
ten nationally and fewest free throw attempts against. And so
a little bit of contact goes a long way. And
missing layups, even sometimes they're not there, you assume that

(27:50):
they're gonna bump you and you end up missing a lamp. Right.
So like in our process, we work on finishes every
day and we've got the old football pads like everybody does,
and we beat our guys up, but we never beat
our guys down. And so we're always trying to improve
year to year as coaches. And that's one thing that
I've already said next year when we go through our
finish drills we're gonna be hitting guys lower bodies too
with pads. It makes a lot of sense, so hopefully

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something good will come out of that frustrating loss. It's
fascinating because I mean, I think I think all coaches
are like this, but I do think there's something about
younger coaches where you're still willing to kind of learn
right and and like you learned under Bob Night, but
then you've learned from the different levels of coaching as well.
In that you've you've taken things and even listen to
you like, all right, we're gonna do this and at
this next year. How much of that do you think

(28:34):
happens nationally? How much you think of that is based
upon age? I don't know, a good question, I think,
but you know, the cool thing about coach Night was
we would always make improvements from year to year. Two.
Coach don't watch so much film during the offseason. He say,
you know, too many down screens. This year, we get
more off the flare. Let's do that. But he was
always making adjustment um from outside sources. I don't know,

(28:54):
it's more kind of him studying the game, but certainly
with us, we're always looking to improve One of the
highlights of this year for me was having Sean Sutton,
our mutual friend on staff. I learned more from Sutton.
It was almost like too much information at times, UM,
and I'm looking forward to like sitting down with him
the next couple of weeks and kind of going over
some things. Yeah, he's kind of one of those guys.
He he. He texted me after the game, he's like
Florida game, and instinctively I knew. My last college game

(29:18):
was against Florida and we were just it was a
lot like you guys. We just didn't play well. We
just and look they were They were more talented than
we were. They probably beat us six seven, maybe six
seven times. And I didn't love our game plan uh
in in the game, but I knew exactly if because
he's got a little that rain Man like Florida game. Definitely,
Florida game gotta be the Florida game. That's why he
missed all his lafts. UM. Alright, so what's the hotel

(29:40):
that you told us that we need to go to.
You need to go to the Minger Hotel and Bar.
It's a historic place. It's one of the oldest hotels.
UM still in Texas. It's right next to the Alamo
um and it's like a bunch of history there. The
rough Riders actually recruited their men in the Minger Hotel
exactly where it's at inside the are So it's a

(30:00):
historic place. It's a man's bar back into Texas history.
You know, we can talk all day about we have time.
Some of the foundations of our great state actually started
right there at the Mingor In terms of recruiting. Um,
the Texas thing is is interesting. There's such an incredible
pride and I'm fascinated by, like the level of talent

(30:22):
in the state is is crazy. And yet um and
you guys in A and M both obviously planned kind
of last weekend, Texas has yet to kind of get
it going. TCU is As has picked things up substantially.
The facilities are better, obviously there, um and and the
winds have have followed as such. Um is there is
there a style though, that of the Texas athlete or

(30:43):
the Texas high school basketball player, because I kind of
feel like one of the reasons some programs struggle is
high school basketball. My perception of Texas high school basketball
is super athletic and maybe not as refined as some
places kind of in the Midwest or in the northeast
or even in the West coast. Is that is that
a fair assumption or is that is that an outsider

(31:04):
stereotyping the state. Yeah, I think big, big picture it
might be somewhat fair. But the exciting thing to me
is the coaching in the state has always been good
and it's just getting better. I can't tell you how
many high school practice I've been in the last couple
of years and I was just like, you know, so impressed,
like I hadn't been to a better one. And then
the group of guys in our states I think are
really good coaches are our grassroot guys. There are some
really good AU coaches um in Texas. And I'm not

(31:27):
talking about just the July circuit. I'm talking about what
they're doing with those guys right now in March and April. Um.
You know, we we had two great freshmen on this
year's team. Have actually had four really good ones, but
two they're getting a lot of um, you know, national
pub which they should. And both them played for good programs,
both the high school coaches and the AU coaches for
Zaire and Colver I think we're big, big parts of

(31:48):
their success. All right, let's let's go to uh, let's
let's let's test your your Texas best place to eat
or have a beverage. Um, let's go Abilene. You go
to Abilene? Where do you go? Uh? Are as Western Edge? Um?
And I'm gonna when I'm gonna eat in Abilene, I'm
gonna go to what's called the gym diner. It's actually
like a nineteen forties type hoosier jim that turned into

(32:10):
a diner. It's right off the special place. Okay, why
why have you been? And why do you know Abilene?
So well? Used to coach and coach at McMurray University,
which is in Abilene. They turned a gym into a place, Yeah,
called Jim Diner right off Uh. Okay, the bathrooms or
the downstairs hoosier type locker rooms. You know where Ali

(32:31):
said the prayer and all that. You're right there? Is
that your favorite basketball movie? Uh? Yes, there's one on
one as well. One on one, one on ones class
and one on Robbie Benson, who'sier is more like emotional
sit down with your daughter's teaching about the game. One
on ones more like with your boys. My son is
not watched Whosiers yet. I think I need to do that.
I think the problem is there's no rainy days in

(32:53):
California that we had. We had a couple of rainy
days and he was bummed out and we watched Jumanji
and I'm like, man, now I'm sitting there going, man,
we really shold have watched Twosiers. I feel like a
bad basketball parent. Odessa, Texas best places where, Uh, there's
a steakhouse, a legendary steakhouse across from Odessa Junior College
that I like like where the steak has been the
same for years. Like the uh the salad bar that

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you gotta get up and go to. Uh they don't
ask you if you want to bake with tat, it's
just there and then they bring out the silver trays
with sour cream and all that stough what's it called?
But but who you know? Well, what's it called? I
don't know. It's just right across the right, across the
I don't know where it is, right across the street
from Odessa College, the legendary steakhouse. Tyler. Now you're getting
into East Texas different Uh, not so good there now

(33:38):
and now people in West you're West Texas guy, right
in the hill country. I love the hill country in
Central Texas. Tokay, Um, what what's different about? How are
people in East Texas different than people in the Hill
Country different than people in West Texas? Yeah, everybody's everybody
is like genuinely nice, but just kind of a different
kind of nice. You know. In East Texas a little
bit more let's go to the lake and fish, and

(33:59):
in West is more like let's go out here and
shoot birds. The barbecue is different too. In East Texas
they use hickory. Would I'm a big fans. In West
Texas they use a lot of oak, except where they
use mesquite. Uh, Central Texas a lot and and everywhere
the skei burns really hot. That's that's what I do
know from my from my wood burning barbecue in days,
no doubt. Um, So you don't have a place in Tyler.

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If I wasn't Tyler and I wanted to go eat,
No disrespect to Coach Marquis Tyler Junior College and everybody
down there, but I would probably drive over to Jacksonville
and I would go to the barbecue place right next
to lawn Morris Junior College. He's no longer there. Lawn
Morris is shut down, shut down, which is ridiculous. But
there's a great barbecue place there between Jacksonville Baptist and
Lawn Morrish. Um Scott Scott Crosscott fired winning seventy two

(34:43):
games three years his the A D came out and
said like, hey, look, we want to kind of take
the next step. And it just doesn't feel like that's
what your profession is supposed to be, especially when we're
in an era to which trying to clean up the
sport and the people that are involved the fb I investigation.
Here's a guy who, like, I'm not aware of anybody
accusing him of cheating. He's won seventy two games and

(35:05):
three years. And U t Arland and they do have
a really nice gym and they are the proximity of
players is there, but again it's U. T Arlington. Um,
how how have you handled that? I mean, because I
know people ask you about it's in your professions in
your state. How have you handled that? None of us
like that, especially if you know Scott is a person
and there's not a better guy. Um. The one thing
I will bring back to that deal is my experience

(35:25):
at Little Rock. You know I've said this before, but
when you have a great season like Scott's had many
of them, and it comes down to where you have
to win that championship game in the conference tournament, there's
nothing like it. Like I was a part of that
game a Little Rock. It's hard to describe. It's uh,
it's got to be more than a Super Bowl or
NBA finals. I know it's more than an n c
A tournament game. Just the pressure, it's just crazy. You
have this type of great year, then you gotta go
win a forty minute games. Just a tough thing. That's

(35:47):
why I'm personally for expanding the tournament. I'm not smart
enough to figure out where the days go, but it
just sends seems to me like everybody could play one
more game, then you could get it to the sixty
eight range, because I think that would take care of everybody.
You win your conference cham ship, you get to go
the tournament instead of the n I t like it
is now. By the way, Bob listened to the show says,
the barn door is there is the stake place in

(36:07):
Odessa across Modessa College. I don't know if you expand
the tournament. Here here's the thought, and this might this
might not be good for Texas Tech because I think
when Tubby got in the tournament there below five hundred.
What if you said in a major conference or in
any conference, you gotta be about five R league in
order to get in, and that would allow the mid
majors if you will maybe another spot. I don't know.

(36:28):
I don't know how you do it otherwise, because I
do think there is something to the bracket, right, and
there is something that has to be something special about it.
And there is like there's three fifty teams, but there's
like a hundred at the bottom there. They're like they
will give him a spot every now and again, it
has to still be special. I think that's the only
part that that that sinks about it. Yeah, I'd agree
with that. Again, I'm not smart enough to figure out

(36:49):
how you fit them in, but I just know there's
a lot of lot of like in our league this year,
Oklahoma State was an n c A tournament team. It's
it's not even close, um, and so I you know,
but I've been on both sides of it. With a
little Rock do if we wouldn't have warned the championship game,
it would just been like heartbreaking because we were really
really good. Yeah, and it proved out of such when
you wanted the tournament, we really appreciate you join us

(37:09):
and give him the laid down low down and we'll
see it tonight at that at the hotel. All right.
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(38:12):
give you a story and you tell me whom we're
talking about. First off, I guess who thinks the Patriots
should look for another quarterback in the draft. Somebody in
the Pets organization. Uh. Robert Craft, the owner, was asked
this week during the league meetings if finding a QB
in the draft was a priority for his team. He said,

(38:35):
I'm gonna put my fan heat on, and obviously at
some point we have to. They have drafted quarterbacks in
the top three rounds this decade with Jacobi Bursette, Jimmy Garoppolo,
and Ryan Mallett. Yeah, I mean I kind of think
this said, I was stating the obvious, right, you trade
away your two backup quarterbacks. Um, that's why I think
the Man's l thing isn't that far fetched. Not that

(38:55):
they really want Johnny Manziel, but if you if it
costs you nothing to bring him in. A guy who
started a game in the NFL and a guy that
could be a I mean, hell, he could be a
valuable backup. Why not? I don't think it's crazy to think. Uh,
they draft one and signed one. Story to Guess who
told Heisman Trophy winner Baker Mayfield he should be a
home body and the biggest football only guy Russell Wilson.

(39:20):
It was Johnny Manzel, he told NFL dot Com this week,
quiet the noise. The more you can do to stay quiet,
the better. He's already a lightning rod, just like I was.
Manzel said, if I could go back and change things,
I would be the biggest home body, the biggest football
only guy, and not do much of anything else off
the field because everything else already comes with huge publicity,

(39:40):
huge talk. He doesn't have to do anything. I think
that's great advice. It's great advice. Like look, being a
football player quarterback is a job. I don't don't get
it twisted. It's a job. And the quicker you've learned that,
the quicker you find that out, the quicker that you
have a better chance of success. Next up, guess who
from the NBA The Loyola of Chicago team at their

(40:02):
hotel in Texas last night told him to go win it.
Charles Barkley, it's someone who's in town to play the Spurs.
Tonight's players said. A black escalade pulled up to the
hotel last night. Russell Westbrook got out and agreed to
take pictures with some of the team members. Loyal is
staying at the same hotel as the Thunder. Oh yeah,

(40:22):
I saw Lola guys out of dinner. Me and Ryan
Music went and had had had dinner. Was a big
police escort outside that. All the teams have buses that
are kind of wrapped in their team's logo, um so
and and honestly hardest taken in town. As you get
to that Spurs Thunder game, which is tonight final final question.
Guess who was named a p Coach of the Year
in college hoops today? Jay Right, No, Tony Bennett. It

(40:48):
is a regular season awards and a program record for
single season wins. Dominated the a c C and had
a rare number one ranking for Virginia basketball. Again ballots
submitted before the start of the tournam when they became
the first one seed to lose to a six team.
Now look at it, it makes sense. I mean, they
had a great year just to it was like a movie.
So now as movies have bad endings, is game time

(41:14):
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to get to? Uh. Mike Boyden, who got my dream

(41:34):
job last year and was rewarded with a contract extension
this year. The Oklahoma state head coach will join us
fresh off a run in the n I t after
getting snubbed to get in the n c A Tournament.
Mike Boyd will join us in fifteen minutes or so.
But man, this is an honor to start out the
second hour of the show. We're live in San Antonio
side of the Final Four. Our thanks to the folks
at Westwood One who have welcomed us into their radio row.

(41:58):
You're just next a fan Fast and the Coaching Expo
in San Antonio. Final Four also the side of the
National Association of Basketball coaches convention and a guy who
everyone comes up to for advice or to take pictures
with or shake hands with because he won a national
championship here and four one of three national championships he
won as head coach at Yukon. He's a Hall of Famer.

(42:21):
He's Jim Calhoun. Of course he's back coaching next year
he'll be leading St. Joe's College, who my wife has
a bachelor's degree from in nursing in West Hartford, Connecticut.
Jim Calhoun joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Coach
first and foremost, most importantly, how's your health great? You
know I'm still here and still wanted to do things

(42:42):
and still go go fast and go hard, and that's
kind of who I am. Well, I also know you're
here with coaches versus cancer. It's something that's very important
to you. You have your huge golf tournament um in Connecticut,
but it's your cancer survivor what two times two times over? Right?
Three times over? So? So I like, look, cancer can't
beat you, the Blue Devils can't beat you. What can

(43:02):
possibly beat beat you? So? Um, let's let's start with
where you are professionally. Why why stay around in it.
Why get back in it with St. Chez College, Just
like you, I missed the game, I missed the kids.
I'm miss getting on the bus and it's a lousy day.
Say in New England, slow sleep, coming down, a little
bit lousy. You go up to province and haven't been
playing that well and you win a good game when

(43:24):
you get on net bus, all of us, all the players,
twelve thirty of them, coaches, it's trained everybody. There's that
feeling that you and I can't match the rest of
our life. So I love my family, I love my God,
but this is a different thing. Professionally, there is nothing
anywhere that can place. And you know, I talked to
Kimba Walker this morning. He just became the all time

(43:46):
leader to score at the Haunets that association mack great
stories out of the G League now he's in New Orleans,
all those stories about my kids. Um, you know, I
I found nothing in my life that that can do
that partic the thing which I love so much. Okay,
but but this is it's gonna be harder because you're
not gonna have the resources you had. And granted, look

(44:07):
when you got to Yukon, you didn't have those resources,
I know, and when you're Northeastern you didn't have those resources.
I understand, but it's a whole different. Like, you know,
you're actually coaching sisters of the poor? Are you are you?
Are you okay with that? Well? You know, because I
mean you're a competitive as hell guy, you know. I
mean I I tell of your kid, you know, I'm
not here to lose, and very simply when he's a

(44:29):
it's not nebulous because they keep scoring in life. Very simply. Uh.
You know, I'm a guy that that truly believes that
we can do something there. I think the university with
the sister of mercies of you know, we're gonna be
just fine. The biggest thing, I'm fine. Every kid wants
to play Division one and they think they are. And
I have pictures in my office and they got you know,
raised feet well above the rim. They got a mecca duncan.

(44:50):
I said, when you can do that, you can play
Indivision one. But I think the point of making is
that the thing you find, you find the dud got
blabes and you find all those guys out there. I'm
not saying in Division three player, I don't mean that
what I mean his players and you know how especially
games me. I've given the story a thousand times. I
was a good high school player and the full college
view mass under Jack leaving the great coach, and my

(45:12):
mom had fully old my dad had died fifteen, family
of seven came back, worked with a stone cutter for
two years, and the only reason I got back to
college was I had a full scholarship, graduated drafted by
the Celtics. Russell cut me shouldn't have kept Hallichuck or
something some guy. But but point being is them back
to grad school and stopped coaching in spin It so

(45:34):
I old the game. The game was great to me,
my family, and simply I love the game. There's no question.
I hear you talk. Whether I agree or disagree with you,
your love for the game. You can't hide. You try to,
but you can't know I I really do. And um
I also I loved I loved how you used to
coach your team's and and here's here's my perception of it,
because I thought what you would do was exactly what

(45:56):
my coach had he Suton would do, which is you
would you would tell the media off the record like
we're terrible this year, they don't listen, they don't play hard,
and then the media would start writing things and saying
things about how this is not bad bunch and they
don't And then you would tell your guys like you
can you believe what these guys are saying about you,
and it would turning and you would consistently turn your

(46:16):
team into us against the world. And it was really
fascinating to see how how your teams would compete and
the Kemba shot. I'll take me back to the philosophy
in coaching in do you coach every guy, break them down,
building back up? Do you try and find individual pieces?
How do you assess how you coach each player? Well,

(46:38):
you have to, you know, it's like anything else. Some
coaches worry about where your hands up. I said, make
sure you stop them. You know, I don't really care
about that. And you know, Rayon was on a few
guys who took from square one because he wasn't not
a shooter when he came right athlete, Uh to get
him shooting. I was just reading his book. Uh, ray
just put a book on very very fascinating how he
perceives his time at Yukon and very simply I used

(46:59):
to say to him, and he gives us comment leave
him practice freshman, and I turned when he's going to
movies with the guys, and I said, we're going us
from Vegas. Did you shoot a percent today in practice?
Kind of looks at me like I'm crazy. It was
pretty true, and I said, just ask him. I thought
you said you want to be great, And I left
because I snuck around the corner. He's shopped about a
half an hour that day. Reggie, excuse me, Ray Allen

(47:23):
never left practice. Start shooting for half an hour and
dark rivers and I'll I'll tell you an hour and
a half wearing two ball boys out before every NBA
practice that day. Something is nebulous, as you think we're
a hundred percent today, why are you leaving? And I
think that's true. So each guy was different. Ray, Ray,
you couldn't. I never tried to public embarrass Ray. Some

(47:44):
of the other guys I did. I think it's so
many different ways. The whole thing was I always thought
to a sense of honesty about what I was doing.
I look in the dictionary now, the word knows gone.
I actually when I said, no, you aren't gonna do that,
I actually meant it and it was gonna reinforce it. Yeah. No,
and and you, I mean you would hook guys. I've
remembered calling games are going to Yukon games, We're like,
all right, who's gonna get hooked before the first team?

(48:08):
How he would come and Eddie something would We wouldn't
talk about his hands. I remember in practice with my
first practice I coach, we we forced it out to
the baseline. We forced the gout in the middle, and
like you guard your man, you know, exact right. Um.
Something I've seen from Bill self which reminds me of
you is you, guys went through a long time. You're
better teams didn't get to the final four, right, You

(48:30):
had great teams that didn't get there, and then some
of your teams that weren't as good did get to
a final four and won a national championship. So how
how should we as fans or how should fans or
other coaches, how should they look at at your teams
that weren't successful in their final game? But really we're
better than maybe teams that got to a final four. Well,

(48:50):
we had to build some honestly, some culture, you know,
I mean that honestly, I learned as a coach that
they had legs are important and their minds are important,
and so I did. I love to keep practice every
day of winning the day, so maybe practice we want
to win the two hours. But I found out near
the end of the season in twenty can win the
day of the same way, same things, just a short

(49:11):
duration even verbally to stop the mental stuff to hours
in in February not needed. And my point views, I
started to pay better for the championships. I got some
other kind of kids. You know, people talk about McDonald's
all Americans. We had seven in twenty six years. So
we were and you know, if you look at the records,
we did okay with those guys. And my point being

(49:34):
is that because I love to get guys who would listen,
you know, let me coach it. You came here because
you want to play in the league, Well let me
coach you to get there. And I very simply think
that the most sim the important thing you're doing. And
when I get reflection from a Ray Allen, it becomes
an endorsement of Anyways, he said he was the most
honest person I haven't met in my life. And you know,
I said, you're very lousy today. I love your death,

(49:56):
but you're very lousy, and you can't be lousy. You're
too good to be lousy. Um, the nineties six team
was that was the best team I've ever played against.
And we played nineties six Syracuse went to the National
championship game. You're for people forget that was Ray's last team?
Right with Ray Doron Sheffer at point guard. Uh, you
had Kirk King inside who he went like three or

(50:19):
four games without missing a shot because all you had
him all he does rebound Dunkee Travis here. Four? What
was your three man's name of really really dark? Uh,
dark like man. Yes, wasn't Torino, It wasn't Rudy, Yes,
it was Rudy. Rudy. Rudy was. Rudy was your small forward.
He was very talented. And then you know then you

(50:39):
had young guys coming in off off off the bench. Um,
is that your best team ever? Were the best team tour? Four?
Second guy in the draft? Four third guy in the
draft Gordon Hilton, Armstrong, Josh Boone. I mean now that, Oh,
you almost didn't win that game because of Mecca got
in foul trouble. Was didn't win the game. Both of
us didn't win that game because it was maybe the

(51:00):
worst officiated first half in the history of mankind. The
only difference was Mike kept playing his kids and I
have a rule. Mecca kept on to story. I know,
but why why why you have a rule? But like
a Mecca ogra For is one of the brightest kids
you've ever coached, who won the game. You did win
the game, and why did they lose the game because
they didn't have big guys down the stretch. Meca only

(51:20):
got one follow the second half, and I I kept
saying to him, if you get down six, Mac, you're
going back in. And then it was if we're down eight,
you got down nine the most. I lied to him
the whole first half, but he was ready and I
had great conference for those kids. I really did. I
I thought, I honestly think we hadn't won the championship
in twoll four, I would have been incredibly disappointed in

(51:41):
how I did things, because quite frankly, that was my
most talented team. I mean, we had the answers. People
don't realize how good Gordon was. I mean, give Ben
Gordon average seventeen points a game as a sixth one
to guard in the NBA Macroogle for Game Changer. I mean,
I'm started filling the wave, was playing ten minutes. He's
a twelve time pro of twelve year pro. My point

(52:03):
is is that that team had almost everything. Seleek Brown
was one of the best defensive guards and play Maka's ahead.
So oh six, we didn't have the other guard. We
didn't have anybody backup. Marcus, I want to ask you
about oh six, as I was six, you lost to
George Mason, right and in d C. So you've been
on the other side of Cinderella. Yeah, um, what's what? What?

(52:24):
What is that like to be on the other side
of Cinderella. We'll get you a good example. Six minutes ago,
you're up seven, you go, You're in the time. I
was saying, we've got to get separation. We've got to
get separation. Got down to the other hole. We got
them just where we want them. There, they're oozing with conference.
I can still remember saying during that game, we're twenty

(52:45):
miles from George Mason. The place is filled up. Gonzagas
same way in Phoenix, Cevers and I still remember that
we let them breathe. They thought they could. I wanted
somewhere along the line to say no, we just don't
have it with them today, and they didn't. They beat
us an overtime. Tim Calhoun joining us here on the
Doug GOTTLB Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so what

(53:07):
is what is your reaction to what happened up in stores?
Kevin took over for you, He won a national championship,
the program appeared to be in really solid footing. He did,
You know, you keep all of you. I mean, one
of the things is when you keep it in the family,
the family always feels like they can come back and
play pick up all with the guys come to a
game and feel like they're welcome. What's your reaction to

(53:31):
them firing Kevin this year? Well, I mean I I
I didn't fire Kevin, or do I recommend fired Kevin.
I did help Kevin get the job as a coach
should for his player. Uh. And the first two years
he did wonderfully. And you know, we went through a
difficult time with his divorce and be honest with you,
in life, things happening. It's a job and it's a business,
and things didn't go well the last couple of years
and there was some separation I think between the family

(53:53):
and and Kevin a little bit. Kevin is a good man.
He's gonna bounce back, and I'm Yukon, so I'm gonna
be happier. Yukon is going forward. I think Danny Hillary
would do a great job. But you know, you can't
repair the whole thing about coaching. You gotta be good today.
And Kevin's success in the first couple of years, didn't
you create itself down the line? And he's going on,

(54:13):
He'll be fine. How difficult will it be for Yukon
to get back to being Yukon, not being in the
Big East Big I'd like to, you know, I shouldn't go,
but no, there and there is talks and I'm not
involved in tours press se although I asked his servisa
um to go back to the Big East, which I
think would be incredible for us. I think the idea
of getting Villa Nova and some of the other people

(54:35):
that you know, you've gotta you mean to tell me
that East Carolina doesn't make people want to drive to stores.
Nothing against East Carolina personally, but you know, when they
hate the opposition, like Notre Dame and some of the
other folks is a lot easier. Yeah, no, I mean
it's it's a double edged short because when you first
got it going in the Big East, people forget like
Yukon was a seller dweller in the Big East, right,
and it was it was not a particularly well regarded university.

(54:57):
I mean, this is a there's a true story. Okay,
so my mom grew up Ridgeport and um, but this
is two years before one of your assistants called and
put you on the phone to recruit me. We drove
up through stores and she's like, I can't ever see
you go into school here, no matter how good they get.
She went to Syracuse. Thunder knows that at the idea
of stores. Now it's one of the best universities public

(55:19):
universities in the country. And your success and Gino's success
is a huge reason why they built on the back
of But it's it's I think the outsider would say, well, hey,
you won in the Big East and gotta go in
the Big East when the Big East was awesome, So
shouldn't it be easier to win in the American when
there's only two or three good teams in the American

(55:39):
Why isn't it that way. Well, it just didn't work
out that way. I mean, it's one of the reasons
when we made a coaching change, I guess, I mean
quite frankly, I don't run those things and so on.
And I love Kevin Aldi. I I do love Kevin
Ali is a good man. But I very simply think
that that, you know, I use the analogy. I mean,
Gonzaga has done already out of there. It's like they're
going to change it. And and for us, it's it's
it's seats in the seats used to have twelve dollars

(56:00):
of the seasons and girls this year we had five,
I mean seven thousand per games, a lot in downtown
and all those kind of things come into play. I
don't think people in the seats are gonna win games.
I think getting good players and putting discipline back and
for these kids. And you know, once again, I wish
Danny best of luck. I'll help him anyway. Kenny brought
one of my formers, just sint Tom wore back, which
will help. Is a greats a wonderful guy, will help

(56:22):
the family. The family is important to Yukon still is,
as I said, I talked to Kim today and I
mean all my guys and our guys and Kevin's guys.
So I truly believe we're in the right direction. And uh,
do you know everything in lives to fight. I'm a
three time cancer survivor, everything in lives to fight. All right? Uh?
Last thing, Um, you've you've watched Ja uh and what
he's been able to do. I mean, is it crazy

(56:44):
to say he's really improved as a coach like they've
When when he was at Hofstra, we played against him
in the tournament. They were good and they got after you,
but they didn't play this style of basketball. Now obviously
they shoot a ton of threes, but defensively they're really
really good. And he went through a stretch there in
the Big East last couple years in the old Big
East bute they couldn't win because they weren't really guarding people.
What's what's your sense of of Jay? He's been there

(57:05):
seventeen years now. That doesn't seem possible. I'm a big
you know, have been down to his practice. He asked
me to come, and I've watched his teams. I think
the biggest thing is, like all of us, we adjust
MC grow. I just gave you a story that we
don't always talk about publicly. I changed as a coach
for preseason. I'm preseason is one thing in terms of
your length of practice, especially and psychologically too, and it

(57:25):
was done by design. Jay is a great, excellent man.
People don't realize that. I said. It's really good. Yeah,
despite the judge pluney bs, I said, you know, but
he's a he's one of us. But was he always
that way? No? Probably not some degree, but none of
us are right. First game, my whole job was get
at him. Excuse me how, I don't know how, but
get out of them. And as you get there, then

(57:46):
the press I went up to see coach wouldn't spent
three hours of them one time and two to one
I used it for twenty years. My point, Pion is
that we all grow in this game. The fools don't grow.
I have more questions today than I did thirty years ago,
because you're growing. Jake Ja writes, A smart guy. He's good.

(58:07):
I'll take where he's really good at. I watch you
handled players. He's really good at that. You know he
can get the most out of them. Yet they feel
comfortable with him. And that's the really important thing. Well, listen,
I wish you nothing but success at St. Joe's. I'm
sure walking around San Antonio brings thoughts of vote for
the semifinals was amazing. And then of course the dominant
performance over a talented Georgia Tech team, but it was
it was not a particularly good game game. I'm sure

(58:29):
the TV folks didn't like it that much. I really
appreciate your time. Thanks. I appreciate Jim Calhoun, the legendary
head coach at both Northeastern and of course most more
popularly Yukon. And we'll be the head coach at St.
Joseph's College that is not a Division one school which
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the job I wanted, but things have a funny way
of working out. On the other hand, they didn't get
in the n c A Tournament in spite of the
fact they swept Kansas. How has he been able to

(59:11):
handle with that disappointment? We'll ask him, he joins us. Next.
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I hated this guy. I didn't hate him. Mike Boyden.
He's the head coach of Oaklahoma State. Uh. He took
his Cowboys to twenty one wins. It was rewarded yesterday
with a new six year, six year contract. What's what

(59:56):
has this been like for you? Man? You talked about
last year to this year, the whole thing has been
been crazy. I sat in here last year. I was
trying to avoid people. Um, half the people were like
looking at me, like this jack, but get a big
twelve job. Everybody else was trying to get a job.
So I was literally walking around with a hat with

(01:00:17):
no logo on it. All black shirt and and literally
just trying to stay out of harm's way. All right,
So you did more than stay at a harm's way.
You swept Kans is something that I played. Ready said
he never won at Kansas as a head coach. Um,
and uh, you know, look, you beat West Virginia at
West Virginia beat Texas Tech and then your name doesn't
pop up. And he did a weird way this year.

(01:00:38):
We did alphabetical order. She didn't have to wait to
all the brackets. But you see, like, wait, think Oklahoma
goes up like, oh we're good. We we beat them
twice and there's no Oklahoma state. What was what was
your internal reaction? I was. I felt it was like
a gut punch because we sat, we had a small
gatherling because we weren't sure, we weren't as close as
we even thought we were though. Um, you know, but

(01:01:00):
the way they did it, you knew like in the
first ten minutes and we had all us food set
up for everybody and it went bad because no one ate.
But I had immediately had to change to leadership mode.
How do I get these kids? Because we knew the
n I T was an option. Um, But first I
had to make sure that our guys, so I immediately
took him out. We wanted to a conference room, and

(01:01:21):
it was just me. I didn't let my coaches, my
assistant coaches come in, and I just told him, Hey,
I love you guys. This is a really difficult moment,
but this is life also, you know, you gotta these
are the moments that define you, know who you are.
How do you handle something that's really really unexpected, something
you really worked for that you didn't get. Um. And
to see those kids responding the way they did for

(01:01:43):
three games, and then subsequently our fans responded, uh in
the way that we none of us really anticipated. We
had eleven thousand, five hundred for n i T game
on spring break? You kidding me? Um, But those kids
really competed hard for the most part, uh, And it
was really gratifying for me to see their hard worker
watered by fans showing up. And then obviously, UM, we'll

(01:02:03):
have some guys that have an opportunity to go on
and play professional basketball. And and then it was you
had you had to come from behind winning the n
i T and then you couldn't make that last come
It's kind of weird, like you have senior night and
you have a bunch of seniors, right, and then you're like, okay,
well let's see that's the last time. Then he played
another home game, and then he played another home game,
and then you almost is that one like this Mitch Solomon,

(01:02:25):
you know, getting hurt and he's sitting over there crying
because he thinks it's his last game. He come back
and win, and then it really is his last game
against Like what is that whole experience like? And I
think that mits didn't cry in our last home games.
One that was really the last one because there was
no more tears. He cried on seeing you to day
against Kansas. We thought we weren't gonna be able to
get another home game after Florida Gulf Coast, and then

(01:02:47):
Western beats uh CFC and we get another home game
and mrs like, man, I'm too hurt to cry. I'm
not glad it's over. But thank you guys, I appreciate
it was, you know, really thrilling downs. We had some
obviously really down moments. We had to kick those two
kids off as semester, we dealt with the FBI investigation,
but all all the time, that's a book. A couple maybe, yes,

(01:03:11):
just that chapters, chapters, just thoughtful, thoughtful, thoughtful book. I mean,
I'll tell you the thing that was most helpful for
me was having two head coaches on my staff. I mean,
I can't talk enough about Scott Sutton and John Cooper
and the way they just kept me grounded because there
were some moments of stress really there that they were
really able to hold the team together when I maybe

(01:03:33):
would have gone down the wrong past. So a lot
of credit to what our team did goes there. Now,
John Cooper, you played for what is that experience like
of being a head here? You're his boss and you
played for him once upon a time in South Carolina. Yeah,
but you know, everything starts with respect, you know, and
if you if you start with a certain level of respect,
it's really not a boss. This isn't like I'm I'm
not Mark Zuckerberg and I gotta intern over here trying

(01:03:56):
to figure out how to work the computer on my
Facebook app. Right, So have a working relationship like normal
people do. Um. Obviously I leaned on him for a
lot of advice. That's the reason I wanted him with me.
He's had that has that experience. He's great with kids. Uh,
he's a family man. Still, what is gonna be a
great community for him? Um? And I didn't know Scott
at all, literally until the whole deal happened with the

(01:04:20):
other assistant. Um And literally when I met him, I
was like, this guy, we gotta do everything we can
to get him because he loves this place. We need
somebody who loves Oklahoma state. It helped that his last
name was said, no question about it. But but we've
been a head coach in the state. Everybody. He's well
respected around the state, in that region. He can go

(01:04:41):
recruit in Arkansas, he can go recruiting Texas and and
those are the things that really matter. Can he help
us have success? And there's no question he can for
a long time Alright, So then here here the then
the hard part comes kind of getting back to work,
right Uh. In that look, Yeah, two guys that could
have gone pro last year one end up coming back.
Now you lose a bunch of graduation and you're having
to kick to guys like you're gonna have almost a

(01:05:03):
new team. And some of it is some of it
is good, some of it bad. Here's the good part.
The good part is there's a lot of players that
are either unsigned or transferring as now that's become really
invoked grad transferring from lower levels. But the bad part too,
it is it's hard to get a team. Some of
these guys you haven't at a thorough chance to recruit
and evaluate, and you're kind of cobbalant together, not necessarily

(01:05:25):
knowing how the pieces fit. What's that process can be like?
That's that's the biggest challenge. First, the challenge for our
team is so we won't probably deal with as much
outside adversity as we did this year. Is probably pretty
difficult to do that. However, people are gonna start coming
back in the building and expecting you to perform. So
now how do you handle people expecting you to play

(01:05:46):
hard every day, compete and win. Uh. The other part
for our staff is, yeah, we have to reconstruct the roster.
Not only do we lose four guys to attrition graduation, Um,
we obviously had a point guard decide that that he's
looking for a better opportunity, and and so you're looking
at maybe five or six new guys who have never
played in your program, never played at this level. Probably

(01:06:09):
even if you talk on the grand transfer market. Um,
and so the challenge will be this summer, how quickly
can they jail? How quickly can they understand what we expect?
How well do our returning leaders camera griff Lyndy Waters
kind of bring those guys in and lead them. How
quickly does Michael Weather has become a real player because

(01:06:32):
we'll need him to be a factor and we think
he can. But you gotta go do it. So there
are a lot of not moving moving parts. But that's
why you haven't experienced quality staff that can handle a
lot of different things. And we feel like we can
do it. You're playing that camera and Griff, he's now
entering the realm of David Robinson's gonna jim me tomorrow. Uh,
he's got naimed Harold Dean, who I grew up watching
at Virginia, Jim Jackson I worked with yesterday. He's walking

(01:06:53):
around here at guys like the best arms in college basketball?
Like here are you gonna stop him? Like no more
arm day, dude, Your your arms are just two gunned up.
You're making everybody else look bad. Yeah. What we need
Canada do really is honing his skills. He's got to
become a better basketball player. This street athlete. He's an
unbelievable athlete. He's got a tremendous motor. He's got a
pretty good skill set. He can't put it all together
right now. He doesn't have a go to move. He

(01:07:15):
can't get to a spot and get a shot. So
the next three months is really important for his basketball development.
His body has been pretty good shape right now. Um,
I saw the press conference you mentioned when you retire
on a farm and still man, stop it. No dude
from Brooklyn is gonna end up on it. You can
You're buying cattle in the off season with a new contract. No, no, no, no, no,
I don't think I can afford that quite yet. I

(01:07:37):
would I would disagree in terms of your uh, your
your ability to afford it. Um, you hold you know
the secret to beat in Kansas Villanova is gonna have
to watch your tape twice and beat him. Like in
the most simplistic way in which a listener could could understand,
how do you beat Kansas? Well, the first thing that
Kansas has to do to beat people, they've gotta make threes,

(01:07:58):
So you gotta be able to defend them at the
three point line. You have to find somehow because and
I don't know if this is possible to wear down
Devonte Graham. The guy went nine games in the Big
Twelve without coming out. It's impossible. It's impossible. I mean,
guys that can't play fifteen minutes without tearing the ball
over twelve times, you know, like three of those games,
he's whatever, So he's a factor. Malik now was playing

(01:08:20):
out of his mind. Villanova's got a little bit of
the edge. I think because Spellman can step out, creates
a problem for Yudoka, who can't step out now can't
move in ball screens. Uh really can't really guard him
off the dribble. So Villanova has the edge there. You
guys also did a great job rebounding against him, and
they don't have It's it's one thing to play small,
it's even play small guys that aren't for are aren't

(01:08:43):
natural rebounderies and aren't built like rebounderis. I think that's
something as well that Villanova can expose. Absolutely, they really
struggled on the glass against us at their place. I
think we have like nineteen offensive rebounds, which I'm sure
that's the reason that Cochef called him soft or whatever. Um,
but they gotta get Malik new In in there because
he can rebound, initiate the break. He's not a great

(01:09:03):
ball handler, but he's got great athleticism. And the same
thing with the Gerard Vicker, Marcus Garrett. Those guys have
to rebound because if they just rely in Udoka, I
don't think it's gonna be able to get the job done. Um,
you've coached a lower level. I mean back when you
guys are at Stephen F. Obviously you nearly you nearly
got here. What can be learned from like a coach's
perspective or a players sspective? What can be taken from

(01:09:23):
what Loyola has been able to do that others can replicate.
I mean, it's just I think it's a the true
sign of a team coming together, believing in each other.
And and I'm sure, just like everybody else, they had
a moment during the season where there was some doubt.
There's a leader in that team that got them over
that hump. Our teams are Stephen F. Austin. We had

(01:09:43):
no chance to have the success we had without a
guy like Desmond Desmond Hayman who actually made the four
point play against VCU the first year and catapulted all
of this stuff, all of us. But our first summer
workouts there we had a kid named Jacob Parker who
wind up being a Player of the Year, who did
not like the system. Was like, this is BS, I'm
not doing this. I'm not playing a five. Desmond said, listen,

(01:10:06):
this is the coach. We're gonna do what he says.
We're gonna do it with all effort. You know. What's
what you know, what's what's fascinating about it is how
many kids, and I mean go back to when we
played guys that didn't like playing off positions and now
you look at how the NBA's trending, and many of
those positions that they swore they would never play, that's
the position they'll play if they want to play at
the next level and not not. The guys will get

(01:10:28):
a chance, get a chance to go there. The last
thing I want to ask you is this You mentioned
the FBI investigation, which in no way has implicated you
only Lamon Evans, a former assistant. Um. There's this sense though,
that you know recruiting, this is more the norm in
recruiting and guys doing it the right way. Is the exception.
I've taken exception to that because I feel like I

(01:10:49):
feel like more guys are doing the right way than
doing the wrong one. Okay, so you're around it. What's
it like though? Too? There's a little bit of a
scarlet letter with Oklahoma State because anytime they mention it,
they gotta put Oklahoma State in there because you were
one of the schools in as part of the investigation.
How do you handle that? Well, just you're just honest, uh.
And you hope that people can take your genuineness um

(01:11:09):
to heart. And we've tried to be very transparent. Um.
I got in a car and drove to two kids
that ultimately committed to us in the fall and sat
down and let them ask really hard questions. Uh. And
so you gotta be willing to put yourself out there
and say, hey, listen, if for whatever reason something comes
out that you don't feel comfortable with, then we'll we'll

(01:11:30):
be comfortable with you saying this isn't the place for you.
We feel like the reasons you're choosing to come here
will still be the same when you step foot on campus.
And that's been a message that we've been trying to
repeat constantly over the last five or six months. You know, Look,
we don't know each other exceptionally, well, I do think
like we become friends. And the thing it's most impressive
is from the moment we've met each other until now,

(01:11:50):
through all your successes, you've never changed. Hope that remains
the same. Hope you remain really good friends. Well, I
appreciate you, and I know obviously this is your school, man.
I told you that time and time again, I would
want to have successful you could be proud, just like
all the other kind. That's that's that's like, that's the
most important thing. That's that's the thing that so many
people get kind of twisted about their schools and rooting
for this guy to be a coach or that could
be like, look, if your school is good, people remember

(01:12:13):
more fondly the program. You don't your school to be bad.
My dad was at Kansas State in the sixties with
Jack Harman, and when when I was at Oakland State, Oh,
I can't stay it sucked. They're bad. Nobody came. People
didn't like. Uh they now call it the Octagon of Doom.
But nobody liked the new gym. They liked the old
gym better. And I could just imagine being a Kansas
State player going like, well that's where you play. Well,

(01:12:33):
they're not very good, so you must not have been good.
Whereas last year you went to South Carolina. People like, man,
South Carolina is a great beasts. Some grieful about that
because of your pride comes out. I tweeted something about
them going to find four. It was like two weeks
after I got the job, and people already like this
guy's already looking at the South Carolina job, Like, no,
I'm just happy. Like the last time they went to
the tournament, I was playing. I'm thirty five years old.

(01:12:55):
It's great that they're going to the tournament. This is awesome.
Happy for Frank and those kids. That's all it is. Yeah, listen,
congrats on the new contract and best of luck in
the in the free agent, i mean recruiting season in
college basketball, Mike Boyd, and thanks so much for joining us.
Let's check in with Steve to Sager. Steve the Good
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(01:13:19):
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(01:15:34):
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now every day this time when we try and play
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this is Colin Cowhard explaining who he thinks is one
of the most influential NBA players of all time, the
ten most influential players in basketball of all time. But
I don't want you to look at number one, Michael.

(01:16:18):
I want you to look at who they have as
number ten, Steph Curry. Yeah, Steph Curry is no lower
than two. Michael's one on this list. ESPN put out
Oscar Robertson is more influential than Steph Curry. You know
the guy that played when games weren't live on television. Oh.

(01:16:39):
By the way, nothing against Big Oh, but if you
google Big Oh, you know what comes up first? A
tire store. Boy? Does Big OH have influence? They also
have Kareem at number six. I love Kareem growing up
goggles and sky hooks, though, go to any playground in America.
Nobody's wearing goggle, nobody's shooting sky hooks. Kids aren't backing

(01:17:03):
up to the basket. They walk into a gym and
they hoist threes. Steph Curry is less influential than Oscar Robertson,
and I'm talking primarily on the fact that he has
revolutionized basketball. Steph Curry is like Nirvana, who ended the
hair bands. Steph Curry not only created the sheet three,

(01:17:24):
he eliminated what we all grew up with, the mid
range jumper, primary shot of the greatest player ever Michael
Jordan's It's a fascinating way to look at Steph Curry
and his influence, although I think, uh, it's more the
influence of the three point shot and the influence of analytics,

(01:17:44):
and it would be the influence of Steph Curry. But
to underrate the influence of Kareem Abdul Jabar is to
completely forget about the last I don't know forty years
of the NBA. Look, you can tell me that right
now more players are trying to grow up and play
like Steph that are trying to play like Kareem. That

(01:18:08):
would be fair. The problem with that is that you're eliminating.
You're saying right now Kareem is not as influential, right,
but again, that doesn't matter. What matters is all time
who's influential. And let me kind of go back through it.
The San Antonio Spurs one, what four titles, haven't they um?

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The Lakers one three with Shack Shack one one in Miami,
the Houston Rockets head two with Achemalija on the Lakers
one UH four with excuse me five with Kareem, and
Kareem won one in Milwaukee. The point is that from

(01:18:56):
the time Kareem entered the NBA, and frankly slightly before it,
but from the time Kareem entered the NBA, with the
exception of when Michael Jordan's entered the league and started
finally winning titles after Kareem had finally retired. You had
to have a dominant big guy to win an NBA
championship Shack one four, Kareem one six, uh Tim Duncan,

(01:19:23):
Achemali Ja one, even Moses Malone won one as well
as well as west Unsel. And so the problem with
it is it's a it's a he's making a here
and now who's influential here and now as opposed to
who's more influential all time, which was the basis I
believe of the list. So Collin's not wrong. More players

(01:19:45):
are growing up trying to be Steph Curry currently than
are trying to be Kareem abdul Jabbar. But over the
last thirty five years forty years, more players have tried
to be or had that you'd had to have somebody
to combat a Kareem Abdul Jabar type than you had
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zone auto zone. Um, something fascinating. Starting in college basketball,
Darius Basley is the top ten player had supposedly headed
to Syracuse left handed six ft nine three four man,

(01:20:29):
is skipping college to go to the G League. N
c A president Mark Emmert just was quoted as saying,
that's a choice that, uh, we'll be available to him
or to anyone else. And UM, I think that's that's
just fascinating me. Absolutely stunning to me. Not that it
didn't happen, because I've told people all the time there

(01:20:51):
nobody's forced you to go to college. Ever, nobody's ever
forced to go to college. But the idea that a
player who's going to Syric Hughes thinks he's gonna enjoy
playing in Reno, playing in Maine, playing in Fort Wayne
against the mad Ants, he is better than playing at

(01:21:12):
North Carolina at Duke in front of thirty thousand people
a Syracuse, Virginia at Louisville, or in the n c
A tournament. So look cool, it'll be interesting. It's a
great test case to see his level of success. And
if he's drafted in the top ten, top fifteen the
NBA draft next year, and I think there are some

(01:21:33):
there's something to playing against men that will help you.
But enjoy the ride, Darius. Basically, you can do what
anybody has been able to do. Alright. Coming up next,
we'll continue on here from San Antonio, Laval. Jordan's finished
his first year as Butler's head coach, coaching them to
the n c A Tournament. What's it like as a
coach as opposed when he played for Butler as a player.

(01:21:57):
The juxtaposition has to be fascinating. Will find out next
in Doug Gotlip Show Live in San Antonio. What happens
the Dug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Do Do Do Do?
He just completed his first season at his alma mater.
We're joining you live from San Antonio side of the
Final Four. And Um, it's really interesting to me that

(01:22:17):
that because Butler it was not necessarily a household name
as far as being a Final four team. When they
nearly won a national championship with the first year, that
was seen as a cinderella the second year, which is
actually to me more surprising. Um, it's somehow linked up
with this Loyola team, Missouri Valley team won the Valley
won the Valley Conference tournament, but I think probably more

(01:22:38):
surprising considering no one they have been in the tournament
in most people's lifetime. Laval Jordan can maybe give us
some balance to it. He's a head coach at Butler.
After his first season they got to the n c
A tournament, taking over his alma mater. And how would
you characterize Loyola this year in comparison to you know,
the Butler teams you played on, or the Butler teams

(01:22:59):
that went to the the National Championship games. Yeah, I
agree with you. I think it's it's it's very unique. Uh,
just because at that time, you know, by the time
Brad took over and and Butler made the run, we
made the run. It had been building all right. We
we got there and oh one, my senior year, finally
won a game. We have been there a few times

(01:23:20):
and never one. Now you finally won a game. Oh three,
you go to Sweet sixteen and beat in Florida. I
might have played in the final. Yeah, yeah, you know,
if Scott Roebish takes a charge, none of that happens.
But he doesn't. But I think there was a building.
Oh three, Butler goes back to Sweet sixteen or seven.
I was on that staff. We go back and lose
to Florida again. Uh with Horford and knowing those guys,

(01:23:41):
but we were I think the closest in the tournament,
lost by eight or nine. Uh so they kind of
have been building too. You know, Okay, Butler's gonna make
a run here deep because they've been tapping on the
door where you look at these guys and importers done
a tremendous job. But to be able to perform on
the stage of a Sweet sixteen haven't never been to

(01:24:02):
the tournament, To be able to in the lead eight game,
to just play like you've been there before when they haven't,
I think it's really impressive. Yeah, it is. Um. Look
for people who don't recall, like you were just head coaching,
you'd have Milwaukee and before that you're at Michigan. I
want to get to Michigan and be line and and
and his incredible genius. Um. But did you when you're
at Milwaukee, did you know what Loyala was building? Did

(01:24:24):
you we played him last year? Um, we had at
home at home. They came back to milwaug out went there.
Milwaukee actually beat him this year when they came back. Uh.
But the two guards I thought were tremendous Custer and Richardson.
Uh Jackson, I think that is the kids that the undersized,
you know guy. And then they added Towns Towns to
the mix. They got the freshman kid from Whitney Young

(01:24:45):
over in Chicago and so but they were just they
were solid, they were tough, they were fundamental. Um you know,
you could tell they were well coached. Uh you know
obviously which state was in the league. So you know,
them winning the valley be difficult because they were so good.
But you just felt like they were a good team.
We we walked out of the gym, I'll be honest,
Duck saying, if we can be like that here in Milwaukee,
we'll we'll we'll have a shot to win the horizon.

(01:25:05):
They can go to the tournament. And uh so there
was a respect walking out of that game. Where Now
did you see this coming? I can't say that, but
you knew they were they were doing things the right way. Okay,
speaking of doing things the right way, they've done it
the right way at Michigan. You're part of that staff.
You put together, um, many of the players on this
roster and what what I find fascinating is obviously he

(01:25:26):
made a tweak. He made a change of point guard,
and that seemed to change this team and and it
built them into the best defensive team really in the
Big Ten. But I think if you kind of lined
up all the players in the final four, right, I'm
not sure outside of Wagner, how many Michigan guys would
be in the first run of games, maybe even on

(01:25:47):
the if you picked out fifteen guys. Like I'm not
I'm not crazy. I'm not trying to underestimate earner value
some of the talent there, but like, let's be honest,
they're not not lottery picks on this team. And we
had six six pros, right, And I even think, and
I'll be honest, I even think some of those guys
were made to look like pros because because of the

(01:26:09):
system and how it all kind of works together and
finding the right fit for how you play and all
the things that you guys are able to do with
Michigan offensively. Um, but how's he done this? It's it's
and it's here's Here's what's funny for me is watching
him do it defensively because I've been you know, I
was there for six years and then knowing coaches offensive
genius and prowess and uh, just kind of the wheels

(01:26:31):
are always turning on. Uh, you know, something new and
innovative on that end of the court. But now to
watch him and it's always been an offensive point guard,
you know, Trey Burke, Darius Morris, the Derek Walton and
now David Simpsons a defensive point guard. And I think coaches,
you know, of the many things that he does so well, Uh,
he adapts. Yeah, I call him the L L cool

(01:26:52):
j of of coaching. It's like l L still he's
gonna have hit records. Is his style just changes. But
I thought his you know, I've known people have heard
him speak and he and he tells even coaches like
coach what you know. But but how does he adapt
in not and coaching what he knows that that seems
to those scenes those I think he tried. I think
he's had the ability to trust his staff and that

(01:27:15):
was one of the things I enjoyed was he was
very curious about Butler and how how we did things.
We blended in some of the concepts and and you know,
the ball screen mode. You know, we ran a lot
of ton of ball screens and picking rolls, blended it
in when we had Darius and Trey, and he was
willing to do it. I think his willingness to let
Luke uh take over to Billy started with Billy Donald

(01:27:37):
last season. UM just kind of take over the defense
and and coach it. And now Luke Uh, you know,
and a lot of coaches at his level, he's always
been a head coach, never been an assistant. UM. You know,
maybe would have too big of an ego to to
let someone come in and and have that much say
in the program. And I think it's a compliment to
who he is just as a person. How do you

(01:27:59):
beat them? That's a good question. Uh. You know. The
fact that they make it difficult for you to score
is now, UM, change and change the game a little bit.
I have this. I have this UM. I don't know
if it's philosophy or just kind of thought. Is that
one of the things that screws people up, especially this year,
is you spend so much time worrying about their offense

(01:28:22):
and scouting and you know, coaches and when when we
when coaches scout and I've sat next to him and
anytime I get anytime I do a game, I get
somebody scatting report right, because that's that's cheating for us.
You're like, yeah, this guy goes right sextent of the time.
How do you have that number? Like, oh, I researched it. Yeah,
one of the assistant coaches did all the research. But
scant reports are mostly based upon what somebody does on offense.

(01:28:42):
This team is so good defensively, But you spend even
even though you have a week leading up. You know,
you get home on a Sunday night, Monday, you get
to work and put it in your prep before you
take off on Wednesday. You're working on their offense and
you forget. Man, their defense is really really good, and
they also get a lot of pick sixes off it.
They pick it off. They they they they dig in
and get the basketball and get a run out. And

(01:29:03):
you can't prepare for that type of transition defense anyway. No,
I think, Uh, you haven't played against Villa Nova and
watch Michigan. You have kept up with with the Michigan guys,
but uh, you gotta figure ot how you gonna score
Villanova the same way they're going to score. There's so
good offensively. Uh, it's the same deal. You can you
can pick your brain all you want thinking you're gonna
shut them down. You're not. So you better if when

(01:29:25):
we beat them at our place, it's a hundred nine
hundred three, it was like you guys, I don't know
what it is when you guys play nova at home,
even before you got there, going back to the last
two years. Yeah, and so I think Michigan a little
same deal. You gotta figure out how you gonna score
because coaches he's gonna figure it out on their in
coach b line. That's what he does. Um and now
they're good defensively, so you gotta you gotta figure out

(01:29:47):
how you're gonna attack them, how you're gonna score. I
think you know, they've got three perimeter defenders, which makes
it difficult. They've got uh Simpson and rock Mont and
Matthews and so they've got if you've got two guys,
they can contain them. If you've got another third eye,
they well they got a guy for him to Yeah.
I actually, I that's kind of my When I watched
them at the Big Ten Tournament, my thought was, well, first,
Davier Simpson makes some great defense at the point and

(01:30:09):
they're good. Wagner is good at defending the rim. That's
the start. And then when you have to and you
know his adjustment personnel wise, starting your two best defenders
on the wing gives them good length as well, like
you're almost always there good defensively at four spots. You
don't have that many college basketball teams, especially many Michigan teams,
in which he values shooting so much, maybe skills sometimes

(01:30:32):
ahead of athleticism. I think that's that's kind of unique. Uh.
But Kenya bogg him down by not not defending Xavier
Simpson by daring him to shoot. Is that one way
to slow him down? Yeah? I think teams have done that. UM.
I think you have to score and transition uh. And
so if you can make it difficult, find a way
to UH. I know a lot of teams have switched
to match with Mo because he's a picking pop big

(01:30:52):
and he's really good driving and attacking you know, big
guys that can't guard him on a perimeter. UM. And
so if you can do that, you know, if you
have the ability to do that thing, Loyola probably does.
That's what they've been doing. UM. And then get rebounds
and run score before they're back and set a little
bit of the same in Villanova. They're they're good in
the half court defense. So uh so, you know, we
did a good job of attacking them in transition. I

(01:31:13):
think that fits, you know, both both attacking points. You
know from Michigan and Villanova's. You're gonna have to score
up the court before they're set. Um. Now that means
you gotta stop him offensively. What's his heart? Um? I
tend to think though, that this is still Villanova's tournament
to win. And here's my working philosophy. One, I think
they match up well with all of their potential opponents

(01:31:35):
because they can play. They can play big, they like
to play small, and that matches up fine with the
teams are gonna play. But secondly, like, look, Kansas, a
little bit of surprised that they're here, Michigan, it's a
little bit of surpriser that this it's a big surprise
at Loyal It's not like this is a loaded Nova
to there's some more talented in terms of NBA talent
team than the one they had the won the championship
two years ago? Is that crazy talk to think of that? No,

(01:31:57):
I think it's it'll come down too, and you know,
and I know, you know, making a mission shots. If
you catch Michigan like the night they played Texas A
and M good luck. If you catch Nova like the
night we caught him in the biggest tournament they came
out of nineteen zero, you know, good luck obviously if
you catch brand Newman and and the Kansas guys when
they're making them, and so it'll be, hey, everybody's good.

(01:32:18):
Now you know who whose guys are gonna step up
and make the shots? How how much? How similar are
the like? You know, a lot of it is about
numbers and percentage, and some of it's just about a
guy's run a few. When you coach the National Championship
game course, Spike Albrick had seventeen a half, which is crazy.
I thought you guys left him in a little bit
too long. I took a couple of bad ones at
the end of the half. But how can you can

(01:32:38):
you plan for how a guy is going to play,
not just on the stage in terms of the visibility,
but literally you're playing on a stage anyway. So sometimes
a really good shooter is gonna struggle, whereas guys that
are average shooters might might might shoot out of their
out of their mind. I think that's always the fun
part of March, and the fun part of the Final
four is somebody else's It was Phil Booth a few
years ago. Like you had twenty points, somebody else is

(01:33:01):
gonna step up, Spike Albrecht or Luke Hancock or you
know one of the other guys. And and that's always
fun to watch, you know, I think from a fan
standpoint from uh and now it's not fun to watch
to do the coach on the other bench as sposed
to have the scouting report. Who didn't tell me Spike
Allbreck the lights out three point shooter? But yeah, you know,
it's the magic of the tournament. Like one of these
other guys steps up and you're like, where did that

(01:33:23):
kid come from? And he takes his team, you know,
to the next to the next game. Uh. Last thing, Um, look,
you take over a program that you played in. But
it's a really different challenge. Now, yes, the arena has
been redone, but you guys don't have practice cility. Everybody
else in the league essentially does. And you're playing in
a big time league, one that could produce a second
national champion in three years, you have to one seats.

(01:33:44):
I know there's a coach and change the savior whatever,
but it's to me, it's gotta be a lot more
challenging a job now than even when you were in
school or when you coached here because the level of
daily competition who you're recruiting against is harder. How do
you how do you change or can you change? Who
Butler is and trying to get players at that level
to compete in with every day. Yeah, I think part

(01:34:05):
of the magic is, you know, the profile doesn't change.
You know, it's it's the same type of people, same
type of uh you know, player and and grit. You
know you're looking for those intangibles. But now you know,
the Big East, with the Big East Conference, with the
tradition and the history of success. Uh, you know you
can you can get um. You know, I want to
say a better player. Gordon Haywards a pretty good player.

(01:34:27):
That's what I told people at the time. What do
you want? We were better players like seven Max pretty good,
Gordon Mayor Heywards pretty good. And so it's uh Ron Nordon,
Matt Howard and Kelan Martin is a pretty good player.
He was he led the Big East in scoring and
so I don't know that you change too much. I think, um,
you know you can recruit a little more depth than before.
It's that's probably a big difference. But as you talk
about with Michigan and looking at Loyola, you know, it's

(01:34:50):
not like you have to have a team full of pros.
You need to have a team that's connected, uh and
that really understands the system. I think Villanova has that
on top of their talent level. Uh. And I think
all the teams that are left to I think coach
self does a great job of just getting guys to
understand it by into the system. Laval. George's the new
head coach at Butler one year in one n c
A tournament at his at his All Mater. I'm sure

(01:35:13):
they expect you to be just like Brad and be
a national change games in the very people go like,
you had a nice year, but why couldn't you go
to the final four? Like you know how hard it is?
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Jerry Palm from CBS Sports will join us upcoming next.
He had his brackets? Did he have Loyola in if
they didn't win the Missouri Valley Conference tournament? And uh
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I saw um Kansas Center Udoka has A Bouquet's dad
died and he was like in six or seventh grade,
so his um, his mom sent him to the States.
This is going like six or seven years ago. And
because of an nc A rule which change two thousand fifteen,

(01:36:18):
there's a three thousand dollar stipend where you can bring
family members over, bring family members up or whatever. She
got her visa Thursday morning and mom is gonna see
him place. He's gonna fly from Nigeria to France. Then
the United States expect you arrive sometime tomorrow night and
uh get a chance to see her son play for
the first time ever. In front of seventy thousand people

(01:36:39):
at the album, Right, that's pretty amazing, Like, yeah, mom,
all the games are exactly that other voice of years,
that of Jerry Palm from CBS Sports and CBS Sports
dot Com. Um. It's interesting because before the tournament, I said, like, look,
it's so chaotic, but somehow we're gonna end up with
three teams everybody expects and then one Cinderella. And I

(01:37:00):
don't know if these are the three teams that everybody expected,
but three relative favorite sort of teams so as my
favorite sort of picks, and one totally unexpected. What were
your thoughts heading into the tournament on what the final
four field would look like? Well, I had Um, Arizona Duke,
Michigan State, and Purdue or not Michigan State, Arizona Duke, UM, Cincinnati, No,

(01:37:23):
who's the two Carolina Carolina? So nothing? What I was
what I had was nothing. Although I'm not surprised to
see chaos because we had a chaotic regular season. But
what we have, uh ap top ten teams losing two
or three times a week throughout the entire season up
until maybe the final two weeks. And if you're you know,

(01:37:43):
if your regular season is that chaotic, there's no reason
to expect the tournament wouldn't be. But even then we
had record level chaos in the tournament too. Now, I'm
I'm a I'm a firm believer that how you play
in the tournament for the most part, for the most part,
doesn't say whether or not you belong to or didn't
belong in the field. You're right, I mean, for the
most part. Now, look, if you if you're one of

(01:38:04):
you're in the first flour and you get me by twenty, like, sorry, man,
you should have been in, you know, But that's that
you could have had a bad day, you know. But uh,
you earn it in the regular season, you know. And
there are teams that got left out, probably half a
dozen at least teams that got left out that aren't
significantly worse than the last half a dozen teams that
got in, but their resumes weren't good enough. That's why

(01:38:27):
they didn't get picked. But those teams could have made
a similar run to Loyola as if they got the
right draw, you know, but they didn't. They didn't make
it because of what they did in the regular season.
But that doesn't mean that, you know, the the sixty
eight teams are infinitely better than those in the n
I t It's it's it's a razor thin line. Uh
was there and he had Would you make an addend

(01:38:49):
them to the field if you could, I'd make it
four teams shorter. I'd go back to sixty four, But
that will never happen. I'm not going to add teams
to it. It's funny there's the call coaches like we
should add at it like I was, like, I like
it as a reward. I think the problem is that
there's so many more teams at the bottom is really
actually a big issue. When you added three teams to

(01:39:10):
the tournament, which was what two thousand and eleven, they
added three teams to the tournament, you dilute the field
and there's another six teams that look every bit as
much the same as the three that you've just added.
So you have to you have to pick. But you're
you're putting three or four teams in the tournament every
year that have a very good reason to get left out.
But you've got to take sixty eight. You gotta draw

(01:39:30):
a line somewhere. Jerry Palm joining us in the Doug
outlum show. How big a surprise would it be or
how would you characterize If Lola wins the national championship,
that would be shocking. Beating Michigan maybe not so much,
but beating Villanova or Kansas that's a different level of team,
I think, And Michigan is an interesting matchup for him.
I mean that athletically Michigan is better. But and then

(01:39:52):
but I think they do things similarly, but it's uh,
you know, Michigan will be doing it with better players.
I think Mo Wagner is a matchup problem. I do too.
It's interesting because usually when you get to you play
high major versus mid major, the big guys are a problem.
But it's usually because the big guys for the high
major where you out inside right, Yeah, I mean he
used to be just bullyball. Throw it inside would be

(01:40:13):
an enormous problem for a team like Loyola. Correct. On
the other hand, he would have some Traditionally, the mid
major would have an undersize. It's the it's the you
know why is why is small ball play? Well? Necessity
is the root of all invention. The reason European teams
would have their big guys step out and shoot was
because they weren't athletic enough to play with the American
big guys. Right, And the reason that mid majors teams

(01:40:34):
recruit under size biggs is necessity at the root of invention.
They had to do that the only kids they could get,
and so they have them stech step out and stretch
out defenses. The problem is that with the exception of you,
Doki has a bouquet, every every other team, every other
big guy is very comfortable out on the floor for
all the other three teams. Yeah, exactly, and Bogner maybe
even more comfortable out inside, which I guess is typical

(01:40:58):
of Europeans. Anyway, would it would beak? Would you deem
it the greatest uh Cinderella upset of modern college But
they won the tournament. I mean they'd be the lowest
seed to ever win by a lot. You know, Villanova
has that now, the eight seed that beat Georgetown, although
that was a pretty loaded eight seed. I mean, they
had two NBA guys on their team. It's you could

(01:41:19):
argue they underachieved in the regular season to get an eight,
but that was, you know, a pretty talented team. I
don't know how many NBA guys Loyola has but I
would guess I'm taking zero zero. Yeah, but the but
I would say that, you know, Michigan now as opposed
to Michigan then like Michigan now might have one. Well right, yeah,
you know, which is why I know how many Kansas

(01:41:43):
Villanova probably has the most. They probably have three. But
you don't see teams win the n c double a
tournament without NBA guys anymore. Usually everybody's got at least one.
If you're gonna actually cut down the net, you've got
somebody who's playing at the next level. But that that
it's it's it's a fascinating And we just had Laval
Jordan in and we were talking about the two thousand

(01:42:03):
and thirteen team that played for a national title with Michigan.
Some of those guys were selected in the NBA draft
because they played in the final four. Some of why
they played in the final four was because of those
guys like Trey Burke has really been I know he
had forty the other night for the Knicks, but he's
very had really had a nondescript NBA career where he's
been a journeyman. You know, Glennon Robinson, the third Um,

(01:42:25):
you know the reason he was drafted that high was
because he played in the Final four, not because he
was that good at prospect. That's that's fair, right. Some
of it is a reaction to to how a guy
plays in the churn. I like to think the NBA
scouts don't overreact like that, but maybe they do that.
But they did Torrey and Green was drafted like when
he wasn't a Okay, good NBA scouts are not gonna
overreact like that. Okay, that's that. That's Uh. If you've

(01:42:49):
watched the guy for if you've watched a guy for
a full season or two full seasons and you think,
all right, well he's just had two great games in
the nt Double A Tournaments. On now, I've got it,
he's got to be my number one pick. And that's
really what made you think that, then you're probably overreacting people. Um,
obviously sixteen over one is the greatest set upset in
the history of the tournament. Did we did We undersead

(01:43:11):
U NBC and I think we overseated Virginian Here's why
we didn't know that DeAndre Hunter was hurt? Well, they
did the he did the Jim beheind you remember behind
me had um uhrinsea on Oaku and he got hurt
in the Big East Tournament and we didn't know if
he was going to play. Yeah, well Hunter was, I

(01:43:33):
mean Hunters their best but athlete, but he was either
six man. They probably are still a one, maybe not
the overall one, but they're probably still a one even
if you take that any consideration. But they probably shouldn't
have been really know their team not well okay, but
it's not like losing Kenyan Martin though Tony told me
Tony true, totally true, Tony, uh but but not like
lousy Keny Martin. They only dropped one seed. They probably

(01:43:55):
should have dropped several seed lines to But did you
lose the player of the year in Kenyan Martin? You don't.
You shouldn't just drop. You're not just a couple of
spots worship completely different teams well what they were, but
it's hard to judge it when you haven't seen them play.
So you know, it's unlike say, when Robbi Hummel got
hurt in February. They saw Purdue for half a dozen
games and they ended up seated at least two spots

(01:44:15):
lower than they would have been probably otherwise, Um, but
just based on their full season because they didn't have
Robbi Hummel, but they at least got to see that.
They didn't get to see Virginia without Hunter, they didn't
get to see Cincinnati with Al Martin. They had to
just guess and they weren't going to overreact. Um. Was
there was there one upset that leads just to believe

(01:44:35):
and I know it just like you know, being into
the term inclusion has nothing to do with the night
you were worthy. But was there an upset that you
point to and go like this team was the most
massively underseated of any team in the tournament massively understood? No.
I I don't really think anybody, at least based on
what they did in the regular season, was massively underseated.
You know the big upsets U NBC. UM, you know,

(01:44:58):
maybe NAS State beating Kentucky. I mean that's just Kentucky
not playing well. I mean, Kansas States without their best
guy really for all but what eight minutes in that
game and he was useless for it for those minutes.
I mean the Loyola run it. I'm they beat a six,
a seven, a three, and a nine. So the threes
are real legitimate upset. The others are tossed up games

(01:45:19):
where someone's wearing white and they and they you know
they won by four point three games. By yeah, I
mean you know they they clutched basketball for sure. Question.
And I'm not trying to diminish what Loyola did. You
know they beat the teams in front of them and there,
and they're playing great. They're a good team. Uh. But
they're the first eleven to get here without having to
play the one. Uh. Jerry Palm joining us, Who do you?

(01:45:40):
Who do you have win in the games? Villanovan, Michigan Villanova.
Villanova has been the best team in this tournament. And
I think they're gonna get a challenge from somebody, but
they're gonna win. I tend to agree with you. It's Villanova's.
My My running line is it's Villanova's tournament to to lose.
That they have the best team that have all the
things we're kind of working for them, matchups team. The
thing that they show in Boston this week is it

(01:46:01):
not only can they beat you play in their style,
they can beat you play in your style, and then
they can beat you when they don't shoot the three well,
which which had been if you look splits wise, when
they don't shoot it well, usually that's when they lose.
Jerry great stuff Fallom on Twitter at j P. Palm
CBS or read the stuff at CBS sports dot com.
He had a phenomenal year. I really appreciate you joining us.
All right, thank you. It's Jerry Palms conditional the field change.

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(01:47:05):
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(01:47:47):
There are five NBA games tonight. Kevin Durant due to
return from his rib injuries. Golden State as the late game,
hosting Milwaukee Back to You Douglas Show, Fox Sports Radio.
M m m m m m m um. A lot

(01:48:08):
of stuff going on. I'm kind of fascinating right that
the Cubs lead off of the home run, George Springer
leads off with a home run. Baseball has gotten underway.
Um but uh and and like, look, baseball getting underway
with a bang with leadoff home runs, but just kind
of weird, like midday games on a Thursday. I don't know.

(01:48:30):
I was, I was thinking, I like baseball, Um not,
let me check that I love baseball really really do.
Played it as a kid, followed it my entire life.
Love the playoffs. Uh. And if you haven't listened to
our show over O, don't of the past ten years
in which I've had this this time slot through three
different networks, It's it's really hard to cover on a

(01:48:51):
day to day basis. We'll try and kind of sprinkle
it in and keep you updated. It's not that I'm
not watching it, but every piece of statistical data I've
ever seen in terms of sports radio says like, don't
talk about baseball during the season. But I was, I
was thinking, is there a way to kick off baseball

(01:49:12):
and make it into a bigger thing? Like they've had
the they've had the games in Japan to start the season,
this year, they're all starting on a Thursday. Is there
a way to do it? By the way, Halo honks,
the Halos are up for nothing in Oakland, bottom of
the fifth inning. Think about that though, like a midday game.

(01:49:33):
What time did that game start? Give one o'clock start
in Oakland on a Thursday. That's how you have your
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was obviously for the Yankees, the first game with Stanton
and Judge and their whole young stud lineup. So I
do think there was a lot of buzz about that,

(01:50:16):
But I don't know if Opening Day has when's the
last time Opening Day was actually relevant? Well, that's the
that's the that's the problem, right, UM Usually it's um.
But I don't think they're worried about Opening Day being
relevant because they dominate so much of essentially once NBA
Finals is done, so late June all the way throughout August.

(01:50:36):
I mean, some people are obviously excited that preseason football
is back, but their window is they really just dominate
those summer months when nothing else is going on. So
I don't know if there's so much concerned with like
we have to have a big presence on opening day. Um, yeah,
I just I think that's a I just think it's
a flawed way of looking at It's like a missed opportunity, Yes,

(01:50:57):
a great missed opportunities, a great way of saying, great
way of saying, great way of saying I guess, but
I feel like baseball, they're so worried about the volume
of just a ton of games, and that's where we
make all of our money and where we gain our notoriety. Yeah,
so so why does the volume have to stop? Way?
Isn't there a way? I almost wonder, you know, like,

(01:51:19):
look in European basketball, they have your league and they
have your Cup within your league, and the Cup is
like an ongoing tournament while your league still going on.
Does that make sense? And I just wonder if there's
room for that or some sort of jamboree where there's
a bunch at or oh, well, you can have All

(01:51:39):
Star game to start the year based upon the based
upon the previous year. No, I'm serious, on the previous year.
You're an All Star, have it to start to start
the season, so last season's All Stars, right and then,
or or have a tournament to start the year, or
I don't know, there's just just there's gotta be a way.
Or if if nothing else, on Thursday night, they should

(01:52:00):
have the Dodgers and the Astros have back to back games,
you know, Houston and in l A and you know,
have we're having played each other in inter league to
start the season. When you ended the season, have like
a rock concert, you know, have a concert before, like
a celebration of the sport outside of just the All
Star Game, a big standalone game. I think that's actually
a good option, a better option. What I thought was

(01:52:22):
terrible was starting the season early in Australia and then
all of a sudden you're like, oh, hey, by the way,
next week, we still have exhibition games for teams who
are in the United States. I thought that was the
worst possible thing they could have done. I I do,
because that's what you're talking about is essentially the NFL model,
where you have the team that won it all play

(01:52:45):
either the same team or a different team and make
it a big event. I just don't know if it's
really something that major League Baseball, because what what are
you really looking to gain? Just you're trying to help ESPN,
because are that they're the ones who are going to
carry the game? Fox Sharis the games as well? Now
you know, I just I think you gotta there's gotta

(01:53:06):
be a bigger celebration in of the sport. Shoyotani, by
the way, first career bat got his hit in the
first pitch that he saw. So there you go. Good
as advertised. He's in good, good as as advertising. I
don't understand the Lamar Jackson decision. Lamar Jackson had his
pro day today at Louisville and decided to not run

(01:53:28):
the forty. And this like this is this is Barry
Manilow not singing Mandy, this is Pearl jam not singing Jeremy,
And this is just such an ill do what you
do best. He's not a good he's a great athlete.
And while you um, well you may think well, scouts

(01:53:49):
already know that. Yeah, but there's a little bit of affirmation,
a little bit of you watch him run, and you
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and enjoy more confident car buying experience. Doug got Live
show Fox Sports Radio Opening Day in Baseball, it did them.
I don't know if you've noticed. Yesterday we got to
the airport, ran music. It did feel like spring, like California.
Here's the thing I always joke with people like, oh,
you have a season in California, the good one. We

(01:54:51):
cut out the ones that nobody likes, right, but there
are a little bit. There was a little bit of winner,
there was a little bit of rain, there was a
little bit of cold, and I felt like yesterday when
we were getting on the plane, it felt like spring.
It felt a little bit warmer, and maybe because there's
no small, no fall, it was just like a perfect day.
I was like, man, this is if it we we

(01:55:12):
have it. I don't know if it's spring or the
beginning of summer, what you would call it, but it
was utter in sheer perfection. Yeah, the smag got washed
out of the air. It felt crisp and clean, and
it was warm, but there was still that that little
bit of a chill, just enough of a chill in
the air to make you appreciate the sunlight that was
shining down. Let's play a game. Let's go to the press.

(01:55:37):
I'm in. I'm in. Let's go to the press. We're
here either way. You know, it's interesting here, Steve di
Seger said, Dan Patrick just texting me, We're gonna grab
a drink here. That was I mean. I was on
his show. I hosted This Shows Emmy nominated Dan Patrick.
It is True Sports Emmy nominated Dan Patrick came out yesterday.

(01:55:58):
I think I'm gonna do you know, we had Chris
Beard on earlier and he was telling about the Manger Hotel. Right,
does this whole thing that gotta have a beer at
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car buying experience. See what it got. Let's start with football.
As Leban Bell has tweeted out, it's so hard to
be a hero in a city that paints you out
to be a villain. Seemingly, Bell frustrated that he's been
given negative press due to his contract demands. One of
the show hosts at the Fan in Pittsburgh says Bell
continues to be a pr disaster, a guy who seemingly

(01:56:40):
says the wrong thing every time. I wonder if his
agent is entirely an actor simply doesn't care. Who said that?
Show host Colin Dunlap Pittsburgh, h Uh Yeah, I like
I just think LEVI on Bell is for a guy
who's missed so much time and been suspended and got
all that the guaranteed money of being a franchise taggy, Like, look,

(01:57:05):
the stop talking about villain and hero. All you need
to say is, hey, I think I'm worth a little
bit more. I want a long term deal because that's
the security I want. I put my body on the line. Um. Yeah.
People go into these long soliloquies about why they should
be compensated above their current rate of compensation. All I

(01:57:26):
gotta say is, look, I catch it, and I run
it and I block. I'm a three down back. I'm
not like one of these other guys that splits time. Um.
And so that's that's the deal. That's the deal. I
just I do think he's a pr disass onto the
baseball in a moment. We do have an item from
Bloomberg on Loyal to Chicago, who you were talking about

(01:57:47):
the incredible run to the final four in this March madness,
Bloomberg pointing out that because of this run, Loyola has
earned millions for their Missouri Valley Conference. The way the
n c a A pays out rewards teams for tournament
success over the next six years, to be paid out
by the n c double a eight and a half
million bucks for the conference. That's well over a hundred

(01:58:08):
thousand dollars per school. In other words, more than they
make annually from the Missouri Valley's media deal with the ESPN.
It's amazing how little they make from the media deals.
People just think schools are swimming in money, right, I
think they do. But but but this also points to
the flaw in the mid major conferences having conference tournaments.
All right, stick with me for a second. The conference

(01:58:31):
makes more money the more their conference champion advances in
the n c A tournament. Correct. Correct? Wouldn't it be
more likely that your conference champion of the regular season
is going to advance further because it's a better team. Now, Look,
UNBC didn't win the didn't win the American East, so
that goes counter to it. But but but loyalist Chicago

(01:58:54):
did so I'm I'm fascinated by that. I mean, would
would Conference USA be profiting or if they had Middle
Tennessee State in instead of Marshall who also won a game. Um,
So I think it's there. There's is an interesting decision
there in the future for these mid major conferences at
this point, they're all taking the ESPN money to have

(01:59:15):
their conference tournament championship on TV. Plenty of notables from
the baseball opening day games, a lot of which are
in progress. But we had a home run on the
first pitch of the Major league season. The Cubs leadoff
man Ian Happ hit it out at Miami Cubs eventually
one eight to four. Giancarlo Stanton, his first Yankee at
bad Official, hits one out, a two run shot at Toronto.

(01:59:36):
We also had Houston's leadoff homer at Texas against Cole
Hamil's George Springer the World Series. M v P did it.
He also had a leadoff homer and open last year,
so that's the first in major league history the same
guy back to back leadoff homer's to a season. And
also we had a Twins reliever today, Zack Duke at
Baltimore struck out four in one inning. One of the

(01:59:57):
strikeouts got past his catcher. Hmm wait, oh, four strikeouts
in one and that's pretty cool actually, but like imagine
if he got like the twenty strikeout game and it
was because he had the poor strikeouts in one inning.
Drop strike is the stupidest rule in all of sports. Now,
now the catch rule has been fixed, why don't they

(02:00:18):
fix the drop third strike rule? That's pretty cool. So
you're saying that put out doesn't need to actually be caught.
He's still struck out. Why don't have to Why don't
have to get you out twice? This goes back to
the fumble through the end zone rule that wasn't changed
for honest to god, like, that's the other rule that's

(02:00:40):
just beyond stupor are you aware that on this final
four weekend two nights is the anniversary of the famed
n C Double A Final, which had the attendance record
for a while. Superdome, New Orleans. Two freshman Michael Jordan
with the game winning shot. North Carolina beats Georgetown sixty

(02:01:00):
three sixty two. That night two. The star for the
Tar Heels, James Worthy, had twenty eight points and a
late steel when they threw him right to him, who
passed it right to him? Steven Segger impressed me. I'm
not gonna impress you on this one and short notice
Brown Freddy Burn Brown Brown, Treddy Brown with deal It's
called the panic pass. Dropping out the court. He saw
another Jersey, and I don't even think I don't even

(02:01:23):
think that James Worthy did the you know, he just
watched in front of him. Yeah, he just panic passed
it called Patrick Ewing had a lot of goldtendings early
in that game, and the boy is lost by one.
He did, although I will tell you the goltendings. While
they hurt you initially, they helped you long term because
nobody was driving to the hoop. Kenny Smith get out

(02:01:43):
there impressed. That was the press. Kenny Smith, former tar Heel,
will join us tomorrow. So too with Jim Beheim, who
lost the national championship game in that very same building,
but of course he's won one and that was against Kansas.
Was against Kansas, I think fifteen years ago. Fifteen years ago.
And Lon Krueger, who he did get to a Final
four twice once with Florida they lost once with Oklahoma,

(02:02:05):
they lost to Villanova by forty four points. Yikes, that
was two years ago. Lon Krueger will join us. We'll
talk to him about the season that he had coaching
Trey Young. That's all tomorrow, live from San Antonio. This
is Doug Gottlip Show, Fox Sports Radio.

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