April 3, 2018 • 46 mins
Doug admits the NCAA tournament isn't the best way to find a true champion, but this year Villanova was clearly the best overall team. He thinks Canelo vs GGG part 2 getting canceled is just another example illustrating the poor state of boxing. And former UCLA head coach Jim Mora joins the show to clarify his comments about his quarterback Josh Rosen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Don got Leave Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug god
Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio. What a show for what
we have for you today. Jim Mourra that's son of
Jim but not Jr. Jim Mora, former head coach Falcons,
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Seahawks u c l A gonna join us. A lot
of people talking about what Jim Mora is talking about.
And uh, we will reinvigorate that conversation we had with
you yesterday about trigger words, millennials being a trigger word.
Remember he said, Josh Rosen's a millennial. And if you
say millennial to a millennial, they're like cool like them
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like him, right, you say millennial to anomaly like a
boy boy. Um. He has uh, he's been on the
NFL network. You on Dan Patrick Cooler today like credit
Jim Mora. He hasn't said something and then gone and hidden.
Jim Mora has talked about his uh former quarterback kind
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of ad nausea and we will get to Um. He
will join us upcoming next hour in the show. Jim
Jackson's gonna join us. Of course, the Fox Sports and
Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Radio college basketball analyst former
Ohio States superstar. We'll ask him, we'll get ready for
the NBA playoffs. But also look back college basketball and
Steve Laps, former head coach at Villanova, and I look,
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lab could never say this, and he probably would never
say it publicly, maybe not even privately, but I played
against that sixteen that was upset. I think it's a
two seed. I mean, like, look, if you want to
talk about what's changed in college basketball, Alvin Williams pro
for a decade at a at a wing and of
course he had uh, he had Chuck Corner Gay, he
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had lost In, he had Eric Heeburs and then uh
is this start? Why am I forgetting to how his
star player's name? Um? We just carry Kittles was his
star player. And then you know he had he had
NBA players coming off the bench. So the level of
talent and college basketball in in comparison to years past,
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maybe a bit down, although I do think that Villanova
has several NBA players. Mikhail Bridge is probably a first
round pick. Jalen Brunson right first, maybe a second round pick,
but he'll play. He'll play in the NBA without out
any doubt. And then maybe Dante de Vincenzo. How good
was Dante de Vincenzo. How good a name is Dante
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de Vincenzo. That's an amazing name, amazing name more than anything,
coming out the bench and showing that he's got bunnies. Now, music,
you do know what bunnies is? Now? You played volleyball,
so everybody in volleyball has bunnies? Or is there a
different expression for guys who jump a little bit higher
than everybody else? Hops? Yeah, we say hopes, but hops
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is kind of then it's it's when it's quick hops,
it's you've got bunnies, a right, when it's explosive hops,
you've got bunnies. Not really not Springs is what we use.
Hobs and springs is used. Now, were you an outside hero,
did you have hobs and springs? Were you a setter?
Would you play in the back line? What would you do? So?
I played essentially everywhere because I didn't play volleyball until
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high school. So I started out as a middle blocker.
Then once I kind of figured out what the heck
I was doing, then I moved outside. But then in
college I was a liberrow. You're back rowbero, what would
you say it? Again, liberro libero, What does that mean?
What does that come from? No, it's like from an
Italian word, which is like for free, because it's the
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guy who wears the different colored jersey and you're like
a free sub in and out of the back row.
I like that. I had. I had no idea that
position actually existed. I've I've learned something. And unlike millennials
who say they want to know why, but I'll already
think they know the answer to things, I'm actually really
into learning about things. I learned something, all right, so
you can learn something about this. He's got bunnies, he's
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got hops, he's got springs, he's got boy goings, whatever
it is. Donte Vin di Vincenzo came in and the
difference and one of the reasons that Jalen Brunson is
a heart evaluation for the NBA is what you saw
last night. Couldn't get a step on Michigan's defense. Usually
the pro has a different level of athleticism or a
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different level of length and athleticism, and DiVincenzo has that,
and then you saw some of his inability in terms
of not a very good passer gets a little bit
loose with the basketball. Here's my big takeaway from last night.
The best team one. And while you can say you
no dug gotlieb do people do My kids actually have
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brought back the no duh or no dr but it
is a no duh. But the point is that here's
a a tournament. It gives us random We have a
ton of randomness we just do. I mean, there's if
if DeAndre Hunter doesn't get hurt for Virginia and maybe
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they get a different draw. And I talked with Tony
Bennett about two weeks ago and he was like, look,
we small ball teams always gave us fits and then
we lost our best hybrid big guy and now we
knew and then they got hot and we were cooked.
They get a different draw, or their best hybrid big
guy doesn't get hurt, it might be a whole different tournament.
Isaac Hoss gets hurt from Purdue. I don't think they
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could have beaten Villanova, but maybe they could have tested
Villanova because they can actually outshoot Villanova. Albeit they had
the problem with who Isaac hospitld guard um like you
you go around the country and or go around the tournament,
and there were some there was some games to which
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had one thing been different, one foul been called or
not been called. How Houston makes a free throw and
Devin Davis their second best player and Houston's playing in
the Sweet six team Michigan is not. And we go
back years and you could you could easily point out.
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I mean, we always remember at Oklahoma State my senior
year in two thousand, we played Florida in the Elite eight.
Florida went to the National Championship game, lost to Michigan State,
Florida the last. In their first round game played Butler
and Butler tried to take a charge, didn't get it,
didn't get the call. Mike Miller ends up scoring I
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think in and one and they beat Butler in the
first round in two thousand, Has that not happened? Your boy?
Right here? Poppy plays duke and we beat a young
duke team with Mike Dunlevy Jr. With Jay Williams, with
you know, so many of the other guys that would lose.
The Florida eventually go on to the next year winning
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a national championship. We played that young team, we probab
beat them because we were older. We go to a
Final four. History changes dramatically, but just like in two thousands,
with a whole bunch of randomness that led to uh,
North Carolina who wasn't really better than Tulsa but beat
Tulsa to go to the final four. Florida is probably
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more talented, but I don't know if they're better than
us going to a final four. We shouldn't play well.
We got beat by a team that was deeper and
it was tied of fifty seven and they boat raced us.
We get so many random results in the n c
A tournament, but you know what got the best team right?
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Like Villanova. They weren't healthy for a couple of weeks
and that's why they lost a couple of games in
the Big East. But the truth is they were still
the best team in the Big East win healthy, even
though they didn't win the biggest championship. Case in point,
they dominated Xavier, who technically won the Big East both
times they played them, and then won the Big East Tournament.
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Like only anybody would argue with you if you said
before the tournament began, Nova's the best team from the
Big East by far, and you're like, well, why didn't
they win the league? That's why that's why, and no
one would have argued with you. They were one of
the five best teams in the country and they had
hybrid big guys. They have a style that fits. They
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don't foul that much, although last night Jalen Brunson got
into foul trouble and it didn't seem to even matter.
The point is that takeaway is in a tournament gives
us so much randomness in terms of results that if
you played out these games ten times over, you might
have a different result. I tend to believe you played
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out played it out with Villanova, they'd win the national
championship nine times in ten. They were that much better,
that much more complete, that perfectly built for two thousand
eighteen college basketball. They had the best player, the best
fit around him, the best set of big guys that
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were interchangeable guards, that were interchangeable bench that had been
developed because of that time in which they had injuries.
You know what, the best team doesn't always win in sports,
but most times they do, and last night perfect example
of it. Here's John B. Line, head coach of Michigan.
After the game, you could see why going over was
at number one seed, why they're they were always in
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the top five all year long. They were dominating everyone.
After those first fifteen minutes, they really were better team
than us. We needed to play better, but even if
we had played our best, it would have been very
difficult to win that game with what Devin Senzo did.
Sometimes those individual performance just beat you and you take
off your hat and say, good game. We played you
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the best we could, and tonight you were better than us.
I think I think they were, but they were better
than them nine times in ten, maybe even ten times
in ten. That was a hard, hard matchup. And you know,
Moe Wagner was great the first five or seven minutes,
but it ended up tiring Mo Vagner out, to which
he didn't have much left in the tank. One big
guy is really hard when they're throwing numbers at you,
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you know, and then when you're better that much better
at the point conversation, Jalen Brunson is that much better
than Xavier Simpson. And there was a point at the
half to which even though Jalen Brunson wasn't making shots
a lot of toilet bowlers, you know, round round, round
and out, they'd still dominated the game. And Simpson was
a guy they had to have in there to guard Brunson,
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but they couldn't have in their own offense. And some
of this is also this is what happens when you
have a big upset, and that when you have what
a team win that probably shouldn't have. Michigan shouldn't have
beaten Houston. Houston was better than them, they were. Michigan
had a five point play, a really controversial call, and
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then they won on a miracle three point shot. That's true.
You know they needed a five point They needed three
miss free throws from Houston's second best player and a
twenty five eight foot contested three pointer just to beat Houston.
If that doesn't happen, that doesn't go. Houston advances, who's
probably honestly a better team. And when you get one
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of those upsets, when you get a Michigan, a really
well coached Michigan team that kind of marches through and
they only have to play a Loyola to get to
the national championship game, it gives you this. It gives
you a complete mismatch in the championship. That's what happens.
So um I have I always find it amazing, you know,
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where people just can't understand what our job is as
an analyst, and we point things out. Look. I think
Nova has benefited greatly from being in the new Big East,
which didn't have Syracuse and Louisville and Notre Dame and
even Pitt back when Pitt was good the first couple
of years when they went to the A c C.
I think they benefited greatly from that, and because of it,
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they were able to stabilize themselves when the Big East
get a good seed and you know, after a couple
of failures in the n c A Tournament, succeed win
a title and keep building. I think it's all the
things that I've talked about Villanova in fact true. And
the best part is the way they play is the
way anyone who's a fan of basketball wants your team
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to play, play together and play multiple defenses. They play fast,
they shoot threes, they have it for the most part.
They turned down a good shot for a great shot,
and the players get better and better and better. I
have no problem saying that. If that's the picture of
what college basketball is supposed to be about, cool, We're
in a good place. Be sure to catch live editions
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of the Doug Gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. One of my favorite guys to work
with in college basketball's former coach Manhattan Nova you mass
and of course you heard him on coverage of the
n c A term both video and TV. He's Steve Lapis,
who joins us, I'm sure on the way to begin
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a summer of golf. Uh laugh? How do we get
to to where Villanova is now a juggernaut? You know,
it's a great question, and I'm gonna tell you this.
I mean, I spent obviously a good part of my
career there both as an assistant as a head coach,
and I knew I had a great job. I knew
it was a really good basketball job, but I didn't
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know what would be this or it could be this.
And that's it's a credit that Jay Wright that that
program it's the way it is right now because to
think that it could be a blue blood and it
really is. I mean, you think about forget about this year.
It looks like next year will be another great year.
So they built the culture. They have a team and
he was six years ago, this team was thirteen and
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nineteen and what he what Jay has done in the
last six years is nothing short of amazing. Yeah, the
thirteen night that was It's fascinating because that was coming
off of his best recruiting class ever, right after after
their first final four and you know, he said, you know,
he's always said, like, we didn't take our kind of guys. Now, look,
some of it is a little bit of luck, right, DiVincenzo.
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DiVincenzo breaks his foot. He didn't break his foot. He's
sitting on the bench behind that national championship team. He
might have gotten frustrated and left. That's the possible that
that happens. Amari Spellman sits all of last year because
because of academics, not that he would have left, but
I don't know if he would have developed his body
as quickly been able to lose as much weight. It's
hard to lose weight when you're in season, right, you
got to go through the Bill Booth is a red shirt.
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You know, he's he's had some injuries even and I
actually think that Jail and Brunson thing, and by most
people's account, he was going to Temple because his dad
was going to get a job before he had he
had his own issue that kept him from getting that job.
Like some of it is kind of magical. I guess
you'd say luck or perfect timing that all of this
came together. Well, well, there's no doubt. And you know,
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you think about this. I don't know about the Brunson situation,
but I mean the kid quiterally was going to Arizona
until and he's going to Villanova now. He was going
to Arizona until this Jan Miller thing happened. Uh So,
I mean as Scottie Reynolds was going with Kelvin Sampson,
Oklahoma when he left, and then he decided to go
to Villanova. So there's always a I had some luck
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carry Kittles ended up being a better player than anybody
thought he'd be. So there's always a little bit of
that in there. There's no question. To get what they
have going now, there had to be a lot of
things fall into place. And and I know how this
business is. Some people are a little luckier than That's
just the way life is in general. And he's had
some very good fortune. But he is a tremendous basketball coach.
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And one thing that I will tell you this, Doug,
is that over the last four years that program and
has been the most consistent in terms of what you
can expect from When you watch them play, you almost
note for sure what you're gonna get an offense and
defense every single night. Ye, no, I think um, I
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think it's fascinating and and what the other part that's
interesting is if you go back, even after you know
the O nine class, like, they weren't that good defensively
for for a good amount of time, They're right. They
were more of an offensive team. Uh, they were fun
to watch because they played a bunch of guards and
they played really free. This team. We freaked out about
the three point shots, how many they've made, and we
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freaked out about Dante DiVincenzo. But the core of what's
made this a championship team two of the last three
years is their defense. Not just their defensive style. They
can play a couple of different defenses, but they're super
super physical. How did that s like, how did that
come about? A pout? Because it's not like he's always
been a defensive coach. How do you go from being
a guy who's an offensive minded coach to one This
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team plays the most physical defense in the country. You
know what it has to do with. You know, things
evolve over time. You you kind of step into things
sometimes he said, oh this is pretty good, let's do this.
You get the right kind of guy, you try something different,
it works pretty good, and then you just build on it.
I give another e gamp from the offensive standpoint. I mean,
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Jay got credited with being the first guy really to
play four cars. But you know how that came about.
I was with JA a month ago and he told
me they were playing and Curtis something got hurt and
the only guy on the bench was Kyle Lowry. So
they put Kyle Lowry in two thousand and five, and
guess what, we're He's ad been in this four car.
Everybody was was praising Jay about four guards four cars,
and guess what. That's how he's evolved into this team
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that's really got five guys out. Certainly he's got four
guys out for years. He had O Cheff with two
years ago was the one inside guy. But he's always
had four guys out. But it came by mistake. He
told me, he said, you know, laugh, I discovered this
because we had to play Kyle Lowry. We had to
take Curtis up throughout boom. It was pretty good. Something happened.
Necessity is the root of all invention. Steve Lappas joining
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us CBS Sports college basketball analyst. Um, well, they've they've
been able to keep it going here the last couple
of years. But the thought is Jalen Brunson probably leaves
right when two national titles. He's graduated, he's gonna get drafted.
Let me first start with him. You know you coached
Rod Strickland in high school. Um, you've obviously coached NBA
players in college. He's a hard one for me, and
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I'll tell you why. Um, look a lot of the
things he does. I think if he's a little bit
bigger and it's twenty years ago, he's a top fifteen pick,
right because he's a leader, he's a winner, he makes shots,
he can post some, but that's not valued as much. Now.
You've gotta be able to get a step And last
night against Davier Simpson is not a great player. He struggled.
He struggled to get in the lane. Um, what what
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what is he in the NBA? In your opinion, I
totally agree with you that he's a tough one. And
the thing about him though that you have to think
this kid's mind just maybe that strong to overcome some
of the liabilities that he had. One thing, you know
he's not gonna do. Posting in college has been a
big part of his game. I'm guessing he's not gonna
get a whole lot of that in the NBA because
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he's not that. He's not that big either. He's about
six too. But I just think this kid is gonna
be a twelve year NBA player. No, I don't think
he's gonna be an All Star and say he's gonna
be a star. But how could you not, at the
worst want this guy to commit and run your team,
you know what I mean, off the bench at the worst.
So I think he's just too smart, too competitive, too tough,
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and just just understands everything about the game. I think
he's a pro. I couldn't tell you. I think guess
at how good a pro? But I think he's gonna
play in the NBA for twelve years. I tend to
completely agree with that. I just don't know if you
think he can be a starter or a backup. You know,
if you can leave him on an island, like you
know he can't. Who he's guard Russell Westbrook like, no,
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he has no he had no chance. Uh, not that
anybody has a chance, but he really has no chance.
On the only hand, at least he'll try, whereas the
Trey Young you feel like, doesn't even try, right So, uh,
but Trey Young has some other skills that that he
does not have. What about the challenges to keeping it
going at this level? I think Brunson is Brunson was
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an incredible glue. You mentioned Quiverly, who's coming in, who's
an elite point guard, was set to go to Arizona instead,
is gonna go to gonna go to Nova? Um. How
hard is it to continue this kind of culture when
you're bringing in more highly ted of recruits. Well, I
think it's hard. But what you have going for you
is the guys come back. Those are the guys. You know.
You gotta see how these guys could last night set
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off of Heart and Jenkins being there, and how those
guys fed off the guys ahead of them. It's just amazing.
That's what we And they fed off Archidiac non no
Chefoo and they just pass it down. And now these
next guys coming in, they're gonna feed off Pascal and
and d Vincenzo and Spellman. So it's just that's how
you build a culture. You have to have older guys
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that are good guys. They take private assistant, which listen,
you gotta take Privateistan were to titles in the last
three years, so that's pretty easy too, and they teach
the younger guys. I'll tell you what, luck, I have
never seen a team of kids say the right thing
every single time we played for each other. We have
the culture. It's it's amazing what these kids say. Uh,
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it's just you know, I'm amaz's it's a great representation
of where our sports should be, right, Like, I think
that's the I think right Like I was in San Antonio,
and there's so many coaches bothered by some of the
problems with the narrative, with with these stories. And we're
not saying that college basketball doesn't have problems. But if
this is our if this is what there's a team
you can win two times in three years and win
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this way and act this way like that, why why
is that It's not We're not in that bad of shape,
you know what I mean? Right, right? And these kids
and these kids say they'll say after the game and said,
we're not really playing to what we play to get
better every day every guy says it. I'm telling you
it's a credit, and you're right. Those are two programs
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you'd be proud of to be a National championship last night,
especially with all the stuff that's going on, going on
whatever those two teams in the National Championship game. All right.
The last thing, most importantly, Tiger gonna win this weekend. Man,
I'll tell you what. I hope you've did it, that's all,
you know. I don't think so. I don't think he's
right quite ready to do that, but boy, I hope
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you did not. I think you'll be in it on Sunday.
Last thing. Um, you can stay too long in a place.
Jay Wright's got this thing dialed in. There was there
was long talk, man, he could be the Sixers, the Sixers,
the Sixers. And remember now they're getting kind of closer,
and there's some talk maybe Brett Brown isn't the guy
to get him over the top. Do you ever see
a day in which Jay leaves Nova and goes to
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the NBA. I do not see it, not at all.
And people ask whatever that is? All right, man, enjoy
the golf course. I know there's a tea time somewhere
calling you. You had a great season. I can't wait
to talk with you in person very soon. Fox Sports
Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
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Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Boxing is
now where football at some point could be, Like football
is trying to protect itself from becoming boxing really is
boxing wildly popular? But you show me the older boxer
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who's aged well, who still has his faculties. Right, Muhammed
Ali was as was as uh loquacious and articulate with
the English language as any man we've ever seen in
any sport. Right, Like he was a magician with words.
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Go back and watch go back and watch him early
in his life, early in his career. Like, man, that
is funny, He's clever, and it all just kind of
rolls off the tongue. Now, he was obviously devastated by Parkinson's,
but most people consider that his brain issues were uh,
we're on set by continuing head trauma. Right, It's not
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a hard it's not a hard assumption to make that
Muhammad Ali would have aged a lot better had he not.
It wasn't even just early in his life. You look
at later fights after he came back from the suspension
because he wouldn't serve in Vietnam and he took a beating.
It was bad. The Larry Holmes fight was bad. It
was just you didn't want to see a guy who
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was so elusive not be elusive mom and Alique couldn't
couldn't speak at the end of his life, and we
kind of know, hey, man, you get into boxing, ring
like you're gonna have brain image. Why because you're gonna
get punched in the head. So you got that going
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against you, which isn't great. Then you have mixed martial arts,
which has taken a great deal of the energy away
from your sports. And what mixed martial arts has done,
and there's not just one, not just UFC, there's also
bellatur But UFC sold for four billion dollars. The genius
was they basically had a commissioner, something that boxing has
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never had. Dana White was the president, ran the company,
face of face of the company. And they've had issues
with steroids, with domestic abuse. Uh, you know, they haven't
been able to build up champions that have lasted. They
haven't been able to get people gaudy records like you
have with Canello and with with Triple G, because in
that sport you can get beat even if you're the
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superior fighter, getting a bad hold tap out like this
thing's happened, walk into a kick as uh as Daniel
Cormier did and the John Jones deal right, don't walk
into a k d C was I thought the better
end that night, even though Jon Bones Jones was on
steroids or performance dancing drugs. I'm not saying UFC or
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mixed martial Arts is perfect, but if you're going to
watch fighting sports, do you watch boxing? Watch UFC? I'd
say they kind of split the vote a little bit,
and it's on more readily. It's become more part of
mainstream culture. And then, of course this was a a
made for TV event, which is only we only want
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to see this fight again because somehow it was a draw,
even though no one who actually watched the fight thought
it was a draw. Because they have this idiotic way
of scoring the damn thing where you have three judges,
you don't see their scorecards until the fight is actually over.
They're like, what, well, maybe more than anything. Floyd Mayweather
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ruined this deal. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. His dad was a great coach in the
nash Fotball League. He was a coach in Nashball League.
He obviously most recently UH coach at u c l
A and coach Josh Rosen, who everyone is discussing all
the quarterbacks the top of the draft, and you know,
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so you have a guy who's been in the league,
knows what it takes to make in the nash Football League,
but also has hands on experience in both preparing for
some of the other quarterbacks in the draft and coaching
one of the elite quarterbacks in the draft. And he's
been in the media before and in the media currently.
You can see him on the NFL network and you
can hear him now on Fox Sports Radio. Jim Mora
joins us on The Doug Gotlieve Show. Coach, how are you?
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How are you? I'm great, Doug, how are you good?
I want to get to some of the rose and stuff,
the quarterback stuff, but I do want to ask you
about this helmet technology, because look, I got a little
kid who's nine years old. He wants to play football.
And I played football growing up until high until high
school and I focused on basketball. But I gotta tell you,
it's it's hard to get mama and me along and
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go like, yeah, I'm gonna send him out there. What's
what's the new what's the new helmet technology? You're involved? Well,
I think that you know, the sport football is great
and it's a great learning experience in so many ways.
And even if you don't play, you know through high
school or college, if you just get in that team environment,
we have to learn to overcome some adversity and work
together and pushed through some tough times. It's great. But
it's become a real concern because of you know, safety
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and specifically you know the safety of your of your brain.
And there's been so much out there about it. And
there's a helmet company named Vices, which a lot of
NFL players are now starting to wear the Vices how
and it incorporates a new technology which and nothing's gonna
stop concussions or stop concussions hits, but the technology so
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far looks like it is proving that it will reduce
the amount of impact and trauma to the brain. So
you're seeing guys like Russell Wilson and Doug Baldwin, where
you're seeing Notre Dame and Stanford and and interestingly enough
Josh Rosen, who will be talking about later. He warred
at points in time this year. And uh, you know,
I've been involved with them basically from the stardom on
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their advisory board as initial investors. So you know, some
people might say that I'm biased here, but I really
where I'm biased towards is a game of football. I
wanted to thrive, and I want you and your wife
to say, hey, you know what, we want our nine
year old experience football in a safe environment. And I
think this helmet uh made by vices is v I
C I S out of Seattle is gonna is gonna
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move a long ways towards helping people like yourself and
your wife that maybe are apprehensive towards saying you know what,
they will give it a shot. We're still gonna watch
our young man very very very very closely for for
any signs that maybe we need a poem. All right,
so what what is it? What does it do that
other helmets don't do well. It's it's got a little
bit of a softer shell. And then the technology and
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the helmet is kind of a spiral technology, and I'd
encourage people to go to vices dot com or go
to their Twitter page or their Instagram page and kind
of learned about it. And I think that what you're
seeing is a lot of NFL understanding. This is something
that maybe maybe will help me. You're seeing colleges, you know,
I think when a Stanford and and a Notre Dame
invest heavily in something like this, if it's an indicator
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that there's probably some legitimacy to it because those are
two obviously tremendous academic institutions that also a great football program.
So it's great let's talk about Rosen maybe because I
know that's when you want to talk. Okay, I do,
I do, I mean listen, but I look, it wasn't
just a bog like I'm seriously interested in frankly concerned
about the future of the sport. So it is it
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is important. Jim Moore joining us on the dug Otlip Show.
When you said the word he's when you said millennial,
you do you do realize that when people when when
millennials here millennial, they're like, oh, yeah, he's millennial, he's
like one of us. When older people here millennial, they're like, oh,
so he's taking selfies all the time, he's about himself.
And so did did you intentionally use the word millennial
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because he's like other millennials. Now here's why I use
the word millennial, Doug, And I'm really glad you invited
me on your show to kind of talk about this. UM.
I have four children, three, one just graduate from college,
tour in college, and one is in high school. I
also was fortunate to coach a hundred twenty young men
for the last six years, you know, groups of one twenties,
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So I've been around that age group an awful lot
in a no way to I isn't an older guy
intend to term millennial will be anything to the negative.
What I have found, and I've coached a long time,
is that kids nowadays are a little bit more uh
likely to question why you're asking them to do something.
And I don't mean that they're questioning you in a
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condescending or challenging way other than hey, we we just
want to know why and that's what I meant about
Josh is Josh is incredibly intelligent. And when you can
explain to Josh why we're doing something and he can
grasp it, then he embraces it, He becomes more engaged.
He essentially he owns it. And so uh, I never
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never would ever think that millennial would be a negative. Really,
it's just an adjustment and how we are teaching kids
and how really how kids are learning, and I think
we have to learn to adjust with the times. But but, but,
but it would be fair to say that when you're
installing an offense, you install an offense and you explain why.
When you're installing an offense anywhere, why would it Why
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would it be any different with Josh Because there are
certain players that want to dig deeper. There are certain players,
especially your quarterback, that needs to know a little bit more.
It was interesting yesterday on NFL Network, I was with
Marvin Harrison, who played for Peyton, played with Peyton, and
he said, Jim, you got to He says, that's how
Peyton was. He goes, there was never he could never
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get enough information. He always wanted to know why. And
he said that you know, the meeting would be about
to end, and peyton would have one more question than
any of another question. And then you know Greg Knapp,
who coached peyton Um when they won the Super Bowl
in Denver, told me the same thing. He said, this
guy just hasn't just an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. He
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wants to know the details so that when he goes
out and performs, he's got all the information. And so, uh,
there are some players and at some positions where you
can just take it at face by you can go
out and execute your job. But if you want to
be a great quarterback, you have to have a really
deep knowledge of of what you're doing and why you're
doing it. And Josh has that mindset, which is one
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of the reasons that I think he's going to be
so successful. Yeah, Jim Moore joining us in the Doug
Gotlip Show seem on the NFL Network course, former head
coach of of the Seahawks, of the Falcons of u
C l A, and he joins us on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay.
You also said that he has a lot of interests,
and again like like, look, I have a lot of
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different interests, but you know how, you know how people
NFL people are. Football people are and listen, basketball people
the same. They want bad they want ballers that are
they live and breathe ball, and football guys are they
want to live and breathe ball. Um. But but I
was looking for those guys, Doug, you know, we all are,
and I think, um, and saying that he has a
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lot of interests. Um. Once again, I can understand where
it can be construed as a question of his commitment,
but it's it's really it's not. Um. He's a diverse
young man and uh and and that's okay. What I
have seen, though, is a young man that is completely
devoted to football, that has a burning desire to be great,
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is willing to do the work. But um, he has
other things that interested in him, has interested him in
his life, and I think that that will stimulate him.
You know. I think that when the season is owing,
he'll be guns a blazing football And I think that he,
liked these other young men in the draft, will understand
the commitment it takes to be great. It is probably
a lot more than it was at the college level
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where they could really depend on their abilities, or even
the high school level where just they were better than everybody.
And I think Josh will put that work in. I
really do. Uh, but it's okay to be interested in
other things. I think that just goes to his intellect,
you know. I think that he's a young man who
will understand how to integrate himself into the city, how
to become part of their culture, how to react philanthropically. Um,
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you know, I really I it's unfortunate that anyone took
what I said as a negative because I think I've
been very clear, and very consistent and and in my opinion,
very complimentary at Josh. As a matter of fact, I've
gone back and looked at all my comments forever and
I said, I've really I've never said any negative. But
it all started, as you know, Doug, it all started
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when I that, uh, if I were the Cleveland Browns
because a fit takes Sam Donald. But there was a
reason for that, Okay. Is that is that because you
don't want him to go to Cleveland because you can
c Cleveland City or Cleveland a little bit. Also, But
also I understand you, I know, saying you're not biased,
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but like Sam Donald played for USC, he's from Sandy, California.
That's like, that's like you know, your your your wife
comes in and somebody says like, well, your wife says,
how do I look in these pants? Do I look
at these pans? Like, actually, you kind of do look heavy?
And then you say that the neighbor, you know, the
neighbor would look better in that pants. That's kind of
what you did. Well, I mean, if that's your interpretation,
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I can understand. And you're you are in time of
the interpretation. Let me tell you what the intent was. Um,
the intent was this. I look at Hugh Jackson, and
I look at the success he had with a guy
like Andy Dalton, who maybe is comparable a little bit
um in my opinion in certain ways to Sam Donald.
Both right, both have red hair. That's tough. Yeah, And
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I trust me. I love Sam Donald. I was with
him a couple of weeks ago. Great respect for him,
and he's something special. He and Josh are both something special.
So I love them both. But I just felt like,
you know, as I looked at it, and look, I'm
I'm an amateur when it comes I'm not in the
Cleveland draft room or the Jets draft room or the
Giants draft room, and I'm not exactly sure what they're
looking for. When I was asked the question, I thought
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about it and I thought, you know what, I think Sam,
maybe he's a little bit better fit for Cleveland. You
know he uh, he had to kind of fight I
think at certain points. And I don't know that he
ever admit this, the you know, the perception that Josh
was the better quarterback. Uh, so we might have a
little bone to pick with that. Like once again, I've
never heard him say that. I don't know that he
believes that. It's pure speculation on my part um. You know, Uh,
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he is Uh, He's got a real toughness and fierceness
about him. And to say that doesn't mean Josh doesn't,
because I believe Josh does as well. It was just
a gut thing that that, Hey, I think that he's
a great fit for Cleveland. And I actually sent Josh
a text before I made the comment. I said, Hey,
I'm about to go in the air and I'm going
to say that Sam Donald's a better fit for Cleveland.
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And he said, okay, you know, thanks coach, and not like, hey, thanks,
I'm trying to stay away from Cleveland because I don't
believe that at all. But just you know, hey, thanks
for keeping me up on things. And I've tried to
do that with Josh because you know, I care about
him desperately. I've known him a long time, I love
him and his family, and I don't want to do
anything to fracture our relationship. And uh and I think
I probably um offended him a little bit when he
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saw them. He saw the reaction to it, you know,
and I know this in texting back and forth this weekend,
he said, boy, I've sure gotten a lot of requests
from the media and calls from coaches saying why doesn't
your your head coach like you? So that's why I
think it's been really important for me these last couple
of days. I have a chance to explain that not
only do I like him, but I love him. Not
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only do you think he's the best quarterback in the draft,
but I believe he's the most impactful play or immediately.
And and you know, we could argue that for days
and days and days, because there's other players that are
fantastic too, But if you want a quarterback, they can
come in day one, absorb your system, go on the
field and and play at a high level. It's Josh Rosen,
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so Jim Mora joining us Doug Outlife show, Fox Sports Radio.
There's a there's a bunch there. But look, first of all,
I like the fact that you speak your mind. Like
if you want to do this, if you want to
do the TV thing for a long time, you're good
at it, then you have to on some level disassociate
even from your friends and just give your own spinion.
So I'm that's it's. It's when you're dealing with a
young person where you know it's really affecting their life, honestly, honestly, honestly,
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you say it about a coach and they freak out.
You say it about a young person and they say
you're mean. You're mean to kids. Even though he's he's
a he's a grown up and he's able to to
prove you right or to prove you wrong. Um okay, Look,
anyone who watched you guys play for example, of the
Coliseum this year, you watch one guy you like, Josh Rosen.
That's when an NFL quarterback is supposed to look like.
We would all agree that he's more ready than even
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Sam Donald would be ready to play immediately. But if
he goes to say the New York Giants, where everybody
thinks he fits best. He's not going to play immediately.
He has to eventually take over for Eli Manning, and
that could be difficult. He played for you right away.
What's your what's your assessment of I understand you think
he fits New York City better, that offense better, maybe
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the franchise better. But can he sit for a year?
Can he sit for two years? Can he sit for
three years? I don't. I wouldn't. I would think that that,
uh and not once again. I can't speak for the
Giants and what they're thinking, but UM, I see him
more fitting with the New York Jets, you know, UH.
And I think Jeremy Bates, he's their offensive coordinator, would
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do a tremendous job with him. And I think that
Josh would step in and he'd be able to to
play right away and leave that team. And I think
he'd be able to handle living in New York City.
He lived in l A most of his life, so
you know, similar environments in terms of the scrutiny that
be under Uh. I keep saying Giants and Jets synonymous
of one another, just because I you know, that's the
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second and the third pick. And you know, if I'm
going to say that that uh, that Sam Donald, you know,
is a great fit for Cleveland, I'm going to say,
you know, irrespective of the fact that Eli is there,
I think that, you know, Josh Rosen is going to
be a great quarterback. And with a guy like Pat Shermer,
who I know, uh and I respect, and a guy
like Jerry Bates, who I know and I respect, I
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think he'd be great fits there. And just as I
said with Hugh Jackson, I don't know he as well,
but I certainly respect him in the work that he's
done and what he did with Andy Dalton. It just
kind of all made sense to me. Maybe my mind
is just works it a little bit different, or maybe
I was just being a little too honest. I don't know.
There are remember he's yeah, he put one of the
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reasons that he didn't have the career I think anybody
would think he would have, for you was he struggled
to stay healthy. He had remember he had the shoulder
thing which stopped him from playing tennis, and he had
some sort of there was some bone or something deal,
some weird deal his sophomore year right which which limited him. Uh.
You know, here's where it was, Doug, and I'm sorry
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to interrupt his his sophomore year, We're playing Arizona State
and he landed. He got hit on the sidelines as
he was scrambling, and defensive lineman landed on him when
he was sideways and hurt his shoulder. So he had
to have his shoulder repaired. And he came back as
strong as ever with his shoulder. And then this year
he had a concussion and at U c l a
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with our medical staff and you know, our concern for
the long term welfare these kids. You know, he was
removed from play for a few games. And so it
wasn't like he had a bunch of different injuries. As
a matter of fact, he had. He had pains, and
he had difficulties that he showed extreme toughness in playing through.
Uh that you know are not documented and don't need
to be because they're gone now. No, I understand, but
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there there are there are concerns for men of help
people I've talked to you about about durability issues. Um,
how how how concerning should that be? I personally, may
I don't think it's a concern, you know, I mean
shoot your quarterback and you're gonna take some shots and
if you land wrong, you know, just like has happened
we've seen with Tony Romo on your shoulder, it can
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affect you. Or Drew Brees early in his career on
his shoulder, it can affect you. And if Josh takes
a hit like that, or if Josh Holland does, or
Sam Donald Baker Mayfield or you know, Lamar Jackson and
those guys, that's gonna hurt him. But I don't have this.
He's not I can tell you this. He's not fragile
at all. He's tough as hell, tough as hell, and
he's competitive as hell. And I want to say this
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Doug for the record, he loves football and he loves
to compete. Okay, So last thing, Um, there's the narrative
on Josh is is pretty pretty clear. There's there are
some people that when he's at St. John Bosco in
high school, great success, there's something something where they didn't
love him. Um. You know, Trent Dilford talked about how
first time he met Josh, first time around and the
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elite Levin didn't love him. He likes him more and
there is this sense that even if you feel like
not everybody loved him, and yet everybody respects the talent.
You've lived it now, You've lived it since recruiting him,
to signing him, to coaching him for three years. Why
is that the narrative? You know, I don't know. I
think it's because he speaks his mind. And I think
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that he has learned as he's mature, that speaking your
mind can have consequences, and I think that's why he's
more careful now with what he says. But I will
tell you this, the players that were on his team
looked at him as a leader. Um. He was voted
captain weekend and week out, and voted captain at the
end of the year. Um. They respected him and they
liked him. And what they like about him is that
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he wasn't afraid to stick up for them. You know,
he wasn't afraid to say things that reflected negatively on
him towards the n c a A and maybe what
he interpreted as a you know, an unfair treatment of
the student athlete. And he did that really for his teammates.
So you know, people at U s A they did
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like and his teammates did like and his coaches did
like him. He was a pleasure to be around. He
he never was condescending, he never was negative. He was
very coachable. Uh he worked hard. Uh. You know when
you text him or call him, he'd respond immediately. You know,
it was always yes, coach, yes sir, Uh no emoji
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would he wouldn't get back to you with the fifth
of the fifth pound emoji was always no. I didn't
get me to those, but I loved his I loved
his tweets yesterday. I loved his first one, which was
the why with the shrug, and then I thought the
other one was even more telling his opinions. And then
his hashtag is something like, you know, everyone takes things
too seriously whatever, which to me just kind of gave
an indication of his perspective. And I was in contact
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with him all day yesterday via text. You know, this
is a great young man. I said it on the
air yesterday. And my daughter are friends. They are not dating,
they are friends. And I'm really glad that she has
a friend like Josh Rosen. I'm really as a father,
I'm like, I'm really glad my daughter has a friend
like Josh Rosen. Jim great stuff. Man, I really appreciate
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you joining us. Look forward to more work leading up
to the NFL Draft on the NFL Network. And thanks
also for giving us the heads up on the new
helmet company that you're part of. That that's that's that's
awesome to look into it. You know, hey, hey, how
did your wife calm you? Okay? And I'll help you
honest question the pads you know like it looks like
a turtle shell, those pads that I know j V
high school teams use for the non com when they're
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doing the seven on seven. Why don't they use that
for like games? Why? Uh? Well, that's you know, that's
made by a company named game Breaker, which I'm also
involved with. I'm really you know, interested in this in
the in the brain trauma. So game Breaker is owned
by a man named Mike Jewels out here in California.
He's doing tremendous things, not only football, ben and in
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other sports soccer rugby as well. And the kids you're
seeing him wearing them for seven on seven? Um, you're
seeing them warn. I saw the England versus Land rugby
match a couple of weeks ago New Year on St.
Patrick's daan a couple of guys were wearing them, but
it's a great tool to wear um when you're not
in full contact mode. Yeah, they wear them over the
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helmets though in practice too, Yeah you can do that too.
You can put them over in the helmets in practice,
but games like, if it keeps you safer in practice,
want to do it safer in games? That's a great question.
I really, honestly, I don't know the answer to that, Doug.
I can find out for you and let if you
want call me on any of this stuff for your family,
just please do Okay, thanks so much, and I appreciate
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you joining us. Take care all right. That's a Jim
Mora joining us on the Doug Out Lip Show.
This is the best of the Don got Leave Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug god
Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio. What a show for what
we have for you today. Jim Mourra that's son of
Jim but not Jr. Jim Mora, former head coach Falcons,
(00:24):
Seahawks u c l A gonna join us. A lot
of people talking about what Jim Mora is talking about.
And uh, we will reinvigorate that conversation we had with
you yesterday about trigger words, millennials being a trigger word.
Remember he said, Josh Rosen's a millennial. And if you
say millennial to a millennial, they're like cool like them
(00:47):
like him, right, you say millennial to anomaly like a
boy boy. Um. He has uh, he's been on the
NFL network. You on Dan Patrick Cooler today like credit
Jim Mora. He hasn't said something and then gone and hidden.
Jim Mora has talked about his uh former quarterback kind
(01:11):
of ad nausea and we will get to Um. He
will join us upcoming next hour in the show. Jim
Jackson's gonna join us. Of course, the Fox Sports and
Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Radio college basketball analyst former
Ohio States superstar. We'll ask him, we'll get ready for
the NBA playoffs. But also look back college basketball and
Steve Laps, former head coach at Villanova, and I look,
(01:34):
lab could never say this, and he probably would never
say it publicly, maybe not even privately, but I played
against that sixteen that was upset. I think it's a
two seed. I mean, like, look, if you want to
talk about what's changed in college basketball, Alvin Williams pro
for a decade at a at a wing and of
course he had uh, he had Chuck Corner Gay, he
(01:55):
had lost In, he had Eric Heeburs and then uh
is this start? Why am I forgetting to how his
star player's name? Um? We just carry Kittles was his
star player. And then you know he had he had
NBA players coming off the bench. So the level of
talent and college basketball in in comparison to years past,
(02:18):
maybe a bit down, although I do think that Villanova
has several NBA players. Mikhail Bridge is probably a first
round pick. Jalen Brunson right first, maybe a second round pick,
but he'll play. He'll play in the NBA without out
any doubt. And then maybe Dante de Vincenzo. How good
was Dante de Vincenzo. How good a name is Dante
(02:40):
de Vincenzo. That's an amazing name, amazing name more than anything,
coming out the bench and showing that he's got bunnies. Now, music,
you do know what bunnies is? Now? You played volleyball,
so everybody in volleyball has bunnies? Or is there a
different expression for guys who jump a little bit higher
than everybody else? Hops? Yeah, we say hopes, but hops
(03:02):
is kind of then it's it's when it's quick hops,
it's you've got bunnies, a right, when it's explosive hops,
you've got bunnies. Not really not Springs is what we use.
Hobs and springs is used. Now, were you an outside hero,
did you have hobs and springs? Were you a setter?
Would you play in the back line? What would you do? So?
I played essentially everywhere because I didn't play volleyball until
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high school. So I started out as a middle blocker.
Then once I kind of figured out what the heck
I was doing, then I moved outside. But then in
college I was a liberrow. You're back rowbero, what would
you say it? Again, liberro libero, What does that mean?
What does that come from? No, it's like from an
Italian word, which is like for free, because it's the
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guy who wears the different colored jersey and you're like
a free sub in and out of the back row.
I like that. I had. I had no idea that
position actually existed. I've I've learned something. And unlike millennials
who say they want to know why, but I'll already
think they know the answer to things, I'm actually really
into learning about things. I learned something, all right, so
you can learn something about this. He's got bunnies, he's
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got hops, he's got springs, he's got boy goings, whatever
it is. Donte Vin di Vincenzo came in and the
difference and one of the reasons that Jalen Brunson is
a heart evaluation for the NBA is what you saw
last night. Couldn't get a step on Michigan's defense. Usually
the pro has a different level of athleticism or a
(04:29):
different level of length and athleticism, and DiVincenzo has that,
and then you saw some of his inability in terms
of not a very good passer gets a little bit
loose with the basketball. Here's my big takeaway from last night.
The best team one. And while you can say you
no dug gotlieb do people do My kids actually have
(04:50):
brought back the no duh or no dr but it
is a no duh. But the point is that here's
a a tournament. It gives us random We have a
ton of randomness we just do. I mean, there's if
if DeAndre Hunter doesn't get hurt for Virginia and maybe
(05:13):
they get a different draw. And I talked with Tony
Bennett about two weeks ago and he was like, look,
we small ball teams always gave us fits and then
we lost our best hybrid big guy and now we
knew and then they got hot and we were cooked.
They get a different draw, or their best hybrid big
guy doesn't get hurt, it might be a whole different tournament.
Isaac Hoss gets hurt from Purdue. I don't think they
(05:35):
could have beaten Villanova, but maybe they could have tested
Villanova because they can actually outshoot Villanova. Albeit they had
the problem with who Isaac hospitld guard um like you
you go around the country and or go around the tournament,
and there were some there was some games to which
(05:55):
had one thing been different, one foul been called or
not been called. How Houston makes a free throw and
Devin Davis their second best player and Houston's playing in
the Sweet six team Michigan is not. And we go
back years and you could you could easily point out.
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I mean, we always remember at Oklahoma State my senior
year in two thousand, we played Florida in the Elite eight.
Florida went to the National Championship game, lost to Michigan State,
Florida the last. In their first round game played Butler
and Butler tried to take a charge, didn't get it,
didn't get the call. Mike Miller ends up scoring I
(06:37):
think in and one and they beat Butler in the
first round in two thousand, Has that not happened? Your boy?
Right here? Poppy plays duke and we beat a young
duke team with Mike Dunlevy Jr. With Jay Williams, with
you know, so many of the other guys that would lose.
The Florida eventually go on to the next year winning
(06:57):
a national championship. We played that young team, we probab
beat them because we were older. We go to a
Final four. History changes dramatically, but just like in two thousands,
with a whole bunch of randomness that led to uh,
North Carolina who wasn't really better than Tulsa but beat
Tulsa to go to the final four. Florida is probably
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more talented, but I don't know if they're better than
us going to a final four. We shouldn't play well.
We got beat by a team that was deeper and
it was tied of fifty seven and they boat raced us.
We get so many random results in the n c
A tournament, but you know what got the best team right?
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Like Villanova. They weren't healthy for a couple of weeks
and that's why they lost a couple of games in
the Big East. But the truth is they were still
the best team in the Big East win healthy, even
though they didn't win the biggest championship. Case in point,
they dominated Xavier, who technically won the Big East both
times they played them, and then won the Big East Tournament.
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Like only anybody would argue with you if you said
before the tournament began, Nova's the best team from the
Big East by far, and you're like, well, why didn't
they win the league? That's why that's why, and no
one would have argued with you. They were one of
the five best teams in the country and they had
hybrid big guys. They have a style that fits. They
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don't foul that much, although last night Jalen Brunson got
into foul trouble and it didn't seem to even matter.
The point is that takeaway is in a tournament gives
us so much randomness in terms of results that if
you played out these games ten times over, you might
have a different result. I tend to believe you played
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out played it out with Villanova, they'd win the national
championship nine times in ten. They were that much better,
that much more complete, that perfectly built for two thousand
eighteen college basketball. They had the best player, the best
fit around him, the best set of big guys that
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were interchangeable guards, that were interchangeable bench that had been
developed because of that time in which they had injuries.
You know what, the best team doesn't always win in sports,
but most times they do, and last night perfect example
of it. Here's John B. Line, head coach of Michigan.
After the game, you could see why going over was
at number one seed, why they're they were always in
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the top five all year long. They were dominating everyone.
After those first fifteen minutes, they really were better team
than us. We needed to play better, but even if
we had played our best, it would have been very
difficult to win that game with what Devin Senzo did.
Sometimes those individual performance just beat you and you take
off your hat and say, good game. We played you
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the best we could, and tonight you were better than us.
I think I think they were, but they were better
than them nine times in ten, maybe even ten times
in ten. That was a hard, hard matchup. And you know,
Moe Wagner was great the first five or seven minutes,
but it ended up tiring Mo Vagner out, to which
he didn't have much left in the tank. One big
guy is really hard when they're throwing numbers at you,
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you know, and then when you're better that much better
at the point conversation, Jalen Brunson is that much better
than Xavier Simpson. And there was a point at the
half to which even though Jalen Brunson wasn't making shots
a lot of toilet bowlers, you know, round round, round
and out, they'd still dominated the game. And Simpson was
a guy they had to have in there to guard Brunson,
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but they couldn't have in their own offense. And some
of this is also this is what happens when you
have a big upset, and that when you have what
a team win that probably shouldn't have. Michigan shouldn't have
beaten Houston. Houston was better than them, they were. Michigan
had a five point play, a really controversial call, and
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then they won on a miracle three point shot. That's true.
You know they needed a five point They needed three
miss free throws from Houston's second best player and a
twenty five eight foot contested three pointer just to beat Houston.
If that doesn't happen, that doesn't go. Houston advances, who's
probably honestly a better team. And when you get one
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of those upsets, when you get a Michigan, a really
well coached Michigan team that kind of marches through and
they only have to play a Loyola to get to
the national championship game, it gives you this. It gives
you a complete mismatch in the championship. That's what happens.
So um I have I always find it amazing, you know,
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where people just can't understand what our job is as
an analyst, and we point things out. Look. I think
Nova has benefited greatly from being in the new Big East,
which didn't have Syracuse and Louisville and Notre Dame and
even Pitt back when Pitt was good the first couple
of years when they went to the A c C.
I think they benefited greatly from that, and because of it,
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they were able to stabilize themselves when the Big East
get a good seed and you know, after a couple
of failures in the n c A Tournament, succeed win
a title and keep building. I think it's all the
things that I've talked about Villanova in fact true. And
the best part is the way they play is the
way anyone who's a fan of basketball wants your team
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to play, play together and play multiple defenses. They play fast,
they shoot threes, they have it for the most part.
They turned down a good shot for a great shot,
and the players get better and better and better. I
have no problem saying that. If that's the picture of
what college basketball is supposed to be about, cool, We're
in a good place. Be sure to catch live editions
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of the Doug Gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. One of my favorite guys to work
with in college basketball's former coach Manhattan Nova you mass
and of course you heard him on coverage of the
n c A term both video and TV. He's Steve Lapis,
who joins us, I'm sure on the way to begin
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a summer of golf. Uh laugh? How do we get
to to where Villanova is now a juggernaut? You know,
it's a great question, and I'm gonna tell you this.
I mean, I spent obviously a good part of my
career there both as an assistant as a head coach,
and I knew I had a great job. I knew
it was a really good basketball job, but I didn't
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know what would be this or it could be this.
And that's it's a credit that Jay Wright that that
program it's the way it is right now because to
think that it could be a blue blood and it
really is. I mean, you think about forget about this year.
It looks like next year will be another great year.
So they built the culture. They have a team and
he was six years ago, this team was thirteen and
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nineteen and what he what Jay has done in the
last six years is nothing short of amazing. Yeah, the
thirteen night that was It's fascinating because that was coming
off of his best recruiting class ever, right after after
their first final four and you know, he said, you know,
he's always said, like, we didn't take our kind of guys. Now, look,
some of it is a little bit of luck, right, DiVincenzo.
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DiVincenzo breaks his foot. He didn't break his foot. He's
sitting on the bench behind that national championship team. He
might have gotten frustrated and left. That's the possible that
that happens. Amari Spellman sits all of last year because
because of academics, not that he would have left, but
I don't know if he would have developed his body
as quickly been able to lose as much weight. It's
hard to lose weight when you're in season, right, you
got to go through the Bill Booth is a red shirt.
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You know, he's he's had some injuries even and I
actually think that Jail and Brunson thing, and by most
people's account, he was going to Temple because his dad
was going to get a job before he had he
had his own issue that kept him from getting that job.
Like some of it is kind of magical. I guess
you'd say luck or perfect timing that all of this
came together. Well, well, there's no doubt. And you know,
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you think about this. I don't know about the Brunson situation,
but I mean the kid quiterally was going to Arizona
until and he's going to Villanova now. He was going
to Arizona until this Jan Miller thing happened. Uh So,
I mean as Scottie Reynolds was going with Kelvin Sampson,
Oklahoma when he left, and then he decided to go
to Villanova. So there's always a I had some luck
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carry Kittles ended up being a better player than anybody
thought he'd be. So there's always a little bit of
that in there. There's no question. To get what they
have going now, there had to be a lot of
things fall into place. And and I know how this
business is. Some people are a little luckier than That's
just the way life is in general. And he's had
some very good fortune. But he is a tremendous basketball coach.
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And one thing that I will tell you this, Doug,
is that over the last four years that program and
has been the most consistent in terms of what you
can expect from When you watch them play, you almost
note for sure what you're gonna get an offense and
defense every single night. Ye, no, I think um, I
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think it's fascinating and and what the other part that's
interesting is if you go back, even after you know
the O nine class, like, they weren't that good defensively
for for a good amount of time, They're right. They
were more of an offensive team. Uh, they were fun
to watch because they played a bunch of guards and
they played really free. This team. We freaked out about
the three point shots, how many they've made, and we
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freaked out about Dante DiVincenzo. But the core of what's
made this a championship team two of the last three
years is their defense. Not just their defensive style. They
can play a couple of different defenses, but they're super
super physical. How did that s like, how did that
come about? A pout? Because it's not like he's always
been a defensive coach. How do you go from being
a guy who's an offensive minded coach to one This
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team plays the most physical defense in the country. You
know what it has to do with. You know, things
evolve over time. You you kind of step into things
sometimes he said, oh this is pretty good, let's do this.
You get the right kind of guy, you try something different,
it works pretty good, and then you just build on it.
I give another e gamp from the offensive standpoint. I mean,
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Jay got credited with being the first guy really to
play four cars. But you know how that came about.
I was with JA a month ago and he told
me they were playing and Curtis something got hurt and
the only guy on the bench was Kyle Lowry. So
they put Kyle Lowry in two thousand and five, and
guess what, we're He's ad been in this four car.
Everybody was was praising Jay about four guards four cars,
and guess what. That's how he's evolved into this team
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that's really got five guys out. Certainly he's got four
guys out for years. He had O Cheff with two
years ago was the one inside guy. But he's always
had four guys out. But it came by mistake. He
told me, he said, you know, laugh, I discovered this
because we had to play Kyle Lowry. We had to
take Curtis up throughout boom. It was pretty good. Something happened.
Necessity is the root of all invention. Steve Lappas joining
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us CBS Sports college basketball analyst. Um, well, they've they've
been able to keep it going here the last couple
of years. But the thought is Jalen Brunson probably leaves
right when two national titles. He's graduated, he's gonna get drafted.
Let me first start with him. You know you coached
Rod Strickland in high school. Um, you've obviously coached NBA
players in college. He's a hard one for me, and
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I'll tell you why. Um, look a lot of the
things he does. I think if he's a little bit
bigger and it's twenty years ago, he's a top fifteen pick,
right because he's a leader, he's a winner, he makes shots,
he can post some, but that's not valued as much. Now.
You've gotta be able to get a step And last
night against Davier Simpson is not a great player. He struggled.
He struggled to get in the lane. Um, what what
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what is he in the NBA? In your opinion, I
totally agree with you that he's a tough one. And
the thing about him though that you have to think
this kid's mind just maybe that strong to overcome some
of the liabilities that he had. One thing, you know
he's not gonna do. Posting in college has been a
big part of his game. I'm guessing he's not gonna
get a whole lot of that in the NBA because
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he's not that. He's not that big either. He's about
six too. But I just think this kid is gonna
be a twelve year NBA player. No, I don't think
he's gonna be an All Star and say he's gonna
be a star. But how could you not, at the
worst want this guy to commit and run your team,
you know what I mean, off the bench at the worst.
So I think he's just too smart, too competitive, too tough,
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and just just understands everything about the game. I think
he's a pro. I couldn't tell you. I think guess
at how good a pro? But I think he's gonna
play in the NBA for twelve years. I tend to
completely agree with that. I just don't know if you
think he can be a starter or a backup. You know,
if you can leave him on an island, like you
know he can't. Who he's guard Russell Westbrook like, no,
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he has no he had no chance. Uh, not that
anybody has a chance, but he really has no chance.
On the only hand, at least he'll try, whereas the
Trey Young you feel like, doesn't even try, right So, uh,
but Trey Young has some other skills that that he
does not have. What about the challenges to keeping it
going at this level? I think Brunson is Brunson was
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an incredible glue. You mentioned Quiverly, who's coming in, who's
an elite point guard, was set to go to Arizona instead,
is gonna go to gonna go to Nova? Um. How
hard is it to continue this kind of culture when
you're bringing in more highly ted of recruits. Well, I
think it's hard. But what you have going for you
is the guys come back. Those are the guys. You know.
You gotta see how these guys could last night set
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off of Heart and Jenkins being there, and how those
guys fed off the guys ahead of them. It's just amazing.
That's what we And they fed off Archidiac non no
Chefoo and they just pass it down. And now these
next guys coming in, they're gonna feed off Pascal and
and d Vincenzo and Spellman. So it's just that's how
you build a culture. You have to have older guys
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that are good guys. They take private assistant, which listen,
you gotta take Privateistan were to titles in the last
three years, so that's pretty easy too, and they teach
the younger guys. I'll tell you what, luck, I have
never seen a team of kids say the right thing
every single time we played for each other. We have
the culture. It's it's amazing what these kids say. Uh,
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it's just you know, I'm amaz's it's a great representation
of where our sports should be, right, Like, I think
that's the I think right Like I was in San Antonio,
and there's so many coaches bothered by some of the
problems with the narrative, with with these stories. And we're
not saying that college basketball doesn't have problems. But if
this is our if this is what there's a team
you can win two times in three years and win
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this way and act this way like that, why why
is that It's not We're not in that bad of shape,
you know what I mean? Right, right? And these kids
and these kids say they'll say after the game and said,
we're not really playing to what we play to get
better every day every guy says it. I'm telling you
it's a credit, and you're right. Those are two programs
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you'd be proud of to be a National championship last night,
especially with all the stuff that's going on, going on
whatever those two teams in the National Championship game. All right.
The last thing, most importantly, Tiger gonna win this weekend. Man,
I'll tell you what. I hope you've did it, that's all,
you know. I don't think so. I don't think he's
right quite ready to do that, but boy, I hope
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you did not. I think you'll be in it on Sunday.
Last thing. Um, you can stay too long in a place.
Jay Wright's got this thing dialed in. There was there
was long talk, man, he could be the Sixers, the Sixers,
the Sixers. And remember now they're getting kind of closer,
and there's some talk maybe Brett Brown isn't the guy
to get him over the top. Do you ever see
a day in which Jay leaves Nova and goes to
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the NBA. I do not see it, not at all.
And people ask whatever that is? All right, man, enjoy
the golf course. I know there's a tea time somewhere
calling you. You had a great season. I can't wait
to talk with you in person very soon. Fox Sports
Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
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Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Boxing is
now where football at some point could be, Like football
is trying to protect itself from becoming boxing really is
boxing wildly popular? But you show me the older boxer
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who's aged well, who still has his faculties. Right, Muhammed
Ali was as was as uh loquacious and articulate with
the English language as any man we've ever seen in
any sport. Right, Like he was a magician with words.
(23:30):
Go back and watch go back and watch him early
in his life, early in his career. Like, man, that
is funny, He's clever, and it all just kind of
rolls off the tongue. Now, he was obviously devastated by Parkinson's,
but most people consider that his brain issues were uh,
we're on set by continuing head trauma. Right, It's not
(23:53):
a hard it's not a hard assumption to make that
Muhammad Ali would have aged a lot better had he not.
It wasn't even just early in his life. You look
at later fights after he came back from the suspension
because he wouldn't serve in Vietnam and he took a beating.
It was bad. The Larry Holmes fight was bad. It
was just you didn't want to see a guy who
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was so elusive not be elusive mom and Alique couldn't
couldn't speak at the end of his life, and we
kind of know, hey, man, you get into boxing, ring
like you're gonna have brain image. Why because you're gonna
get punched in the head. So you got that going
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against you, which isn't great. Then you have mixed martial arts,
which has taken a great deal of the energy away
from your sports. And what mixed martial arts has done,
and there's not just one, not just UFC, there's also
bellatur But UFC sold for four billion dollars. The genius
was they basically had a commissioner, something that boxing has
(24:54):
never had. Dana White was the president, ran the company,
face of face of the company. And they've had issues
with steroids, with domestic abuse. Uh, you know, they haven't
been able to build up champions that have lasted. They
haven't been able to get people gaudy records like you
have with Canello and with with Triple G, because in
that sport you can get beat even if you're the
(25:16):
superior fighter, getting a bad hold tap out like this
thing's happened, walk into a kick as uh as Daniel
Cormier did and the John Jones deal right, don't walk
into a k d C was I thought the better
end that night, even though Jon Bones Jones was on
steroids or performance dancing drugs. I'm not saying UFC or
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mixed martial Arts is perfect, but if you're going to
watch fighting sports, do you watch boxing? Watch UFC? I'd
say they kind of split the vote a little bit,
and it's on more readily. It's become more part of
mainstream culture. And then, of course this was a a
made for TV event, which is only we only want
(25:59):
to see this fight again because somehow it was a draw,
even though no one who actually watched the fight thought
it was a draw. Because they have this idiotic way
of scoring the damn thing where you have three judges,
you don't see their scorecards until the fight is actually over.
They're like, what, well, maybe more than anything. Floyd Mayweather
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ruined this deal. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. His dad was a great coach in the
nash Fotball League. He was a coach in Nashball League.
He obviously most recently UH coach at u c l
A and coach Josh Rosen, who everyone is discussing all
the quarterbacks the top of the draft, and you know,
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so you have a guy who's been in the league,
knows what it takes to make in the nash Football League,
but also has hands on experience in both preparing for
some of the other quarterbacks in the draft and coaching
one of the elite quarterbacks in the draft. And he's
been in the media before and in the media currently.
You can see him on the NFL network and you
can hear him now on Fox Sports Radio. Jim Mora
joins us on The Doug Gotlieve Show. Coach, how are you?
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How are you? I'm great, Doug, how are you good?
I want to get to some of the rose and stuff,
the quarterback stuff, but I do want to ask you
about this helmet technology, because look, I got a little
kid who's nine years old. He wants to play football.
And I played football growing up until high until high
school and I focused on basketball. But I gotta tell you,
it's it's hard to get mama and me along and
(27:24):
go like, yeah, I'm gonna send him out there. What's
what's the new what's the new helmet technology? You're involved? Well,
I think that you know, the sport football is great
and it's a great learning experience in so many ways.
And even if you don't play, you know through high
school or college, if you just get in that team environment,
we have to learn to overcome some adversity and work
together and pushed through some tough times. It's great. But
it's become a real concern because of you know, safety
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and specifically you know the safety of your of your brain.
And there's been so much out there about it. And
there's a helmet company named Vices, which a lot of
NFL players are now starting to wear the Vices how
and it incorporates a new technology which and nothing's gonna
stop concussions or stop concussions hits, but the technology so
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far looks like it is proving that it will reduce
the amount of impact and trauma to the brain. So
you're seeing guys like Russell Wilson and Doug Baldwin, where
you're seeing Notre Dame and Stanford and and interestingly enough
Josh Rosen, who will be talking about later. He warred
at points in time this year. And uh, you know,
I've been involved with them basically from the stardom on
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their advisory board as initial investors. So you know, some
people might say that I'm biased here, but I really
where I'm biased towards is a game of football. I
wanted to thrive, and I want you and your wife
to say, hey, you know what, we want our nine
year old experience football in a safe environment. And I
think this helmet uh made by vices is v I
C I S out of Seattle is gonna is gonna
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move a long ways towards helping people like yourself and
your wife that maybe are apprehensive towards saying you know what,
they will give it a shot. We're still gonna watch
our young man very very very very closely for for
any signs that maybe we need a poem. All right,
so what what is it? What does it do that
other helmets don't do well. It's it's got a little
bit of a softer shell. And then the technology and
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the helmet is kind of a spiral technology, and I'd
encourage people to go to vices dot com or go
to their Twitter page or their Instagram page and kind
of learned about it. And I think that what you're
seeing is a lot of NFL understanding. This is something
that maybe maybe will help me. You're seeing colleges, you know,
I think when a Stanford and and a Notre Dame
invest heavily in something like this, if it's an indicator
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that there's probably some legitimacy to it because those are
two obviously tremendous academic institutions that also a great football program.
So it's great let's talk about Rosen maybe because I
know that's when you want to talk. Okay, I do,
I do, I mean listen, but I look, it wasn't
just a bog like I'm seriously interested in frankly concerned
about the future of the sport. So it is it
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is important. Jim Moore joining us on the dug Otlip Show.
When you said the word he's when you said millennial,
you do you do realize that when people when when
millennials here millennial, they're like, oh, yeah, he's millennial, he's
like one of us. When older people here millennial, they're like, oh,
so he's taking selfies all the time, he's about himself.
And so did did you intentionally use the word millennial
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because he's like other millennials. Now here's why I use
the word millennial, Doug, And I'm really glad you invited
me on your show to kind of talk about this. UM.
I have four children, three, one just graduate from college,
tour in college, and one is in high school. I
also was fortunate to coach a hundred twenty young men
for the last six years, you know, groups of one twenties,
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So I've been around that age group an awful lot
in a no way to I isn't an older guy
intend to term millennial will be anything to the negative.
What I have found, and I've coached a long time,
is that kids nowadays are a little bit more uh
likely to question why you're asking them to do something.
And I don't mean that they're questioning you in a
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condescending or challenging way other than hey, we we just
want to know why and that's what I meant about
Josh is Josh is incredibly intelligent. And when you can
explain to Josh why we're doing something and he can
grasp it, then he embraces it, He becomes more engaged.
He essentially he owns it. And so uh, I never
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never would ever think that millennial would be a negative. Really,
it's just an adjustment and how we are teaching kids
and how really how kids are learning, and I think
we have to learn to adjust with the times. But but, but,
but it would be fair to say that when you're
installing an offense, you install an offense and you explain why.
When you're installing an offense anywhere, why would it Why
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would it be any different with Josh Because there are
certain players that want to dig deeper. There are certain players,
especially your quarterback, that needs to know a little bit more.
It was interesting yesterday on NFL Network, I was with
Marvin Harrison, who played for Peyton, played with Peyton, and
he said, Jim, you got to He says, that's how
Peyton was. He goes, there was never he could never
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get enough information. He always wanted to know why. And
he said that you know, the meeting would be about
to end, and peyton would have one more question than
any of another question. And then you know Greg Knapp,
who coached peyton Um when they won the Super Bowl
in Denver, told me the same thing. He said, this
guy just hasn't just an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. He
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wants to know the details so that when he goes
out and performs, he's got all the information. And so, uh,
there are some players and at some positions where you
can just take it at face by you can go
out and execute your job. But if you want to
be a great quarterback, you have to have a really
deep knowledge of of what you're doing and why you're
doing it. And Josh has that mindset, which is one
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of the reasons that I think he's going to be
so successful. Yeah, Jim Moore joining us in the Doug
Gotlip Show seem on the NFL Network course, former head
coach of of the Seahawks, of the Falcons of u
C l A, and he joins us on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay.
You also said that he has a lot of interests,
and again like like, look, I have a lot of
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different interests, but you know how, you know how people
NFL people are. Football people are and listen, basketball people
the same. They want bad they want ballers that are
they live and breathe ball, and football guys are they
want to live and breathe ball. Um. But but I
was looking for those guys, Doug, you know, we all are,
and I think, um, and saying that he has a
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lot of interests. Um. Once again, I can understand where
it can be construed as a question of his commitment,
but it's it's really it's not. Um. He's a diverse
young man and uh and and that's okay. What I
have seen, though, is a young man that is completely
devoted to football, that has a burning desire to be great,
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is willing to do the work. But um, he has
other things that interested in him, has interested him in
his life, and I think that that will stimulate him.
You know. I think that when the season is owing,
he'll be guns a blazing football And I think that he,
liked these other young men in the draft, will understand
the commitment it takes to be great. It is probably
a lot more than it was at the college level
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where they could really depend on their abilities, or even
the high school level where just they were better than everybody.
And I think Josh will put that work in. I
really do. Uh, but it's okay to be interested in
other things. I think that just goes to his intellect,
you know. I think that he's a young man who
will understand how to integrate himself into the city, how
to become part of their culture, how to react philanthropically. Um,
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you know, I really I it's unfortunate that anyone took
what I said as a negative because I think I've
been very clear, and very consistent and and in my opinion,
very complimentary at Josh. As a matter of fact, I've
gone back and looked at all my comments forever and
I said, I've really I've never said any negative. But
it all started, as you know, Doug, it all started
(34:59):
when I that, uh, if I were the Cleveland Browns
because a fit takes Sam Donald. But there was a
reason for that, Okay. Is that is that because you
don't want him to go to Cleveland because you can
c Cleveland City or Cleveland a little bit. Also, But
also I understand you, I know, saying you're not biased,
(35:19):
but like Sam Donald played for USC, he's from Sandy, California.
That's like, that's like you know, your your your wife
comes in and somebody says like, well, your wife says,
how do I look in these pants? Do I look
at these pans? Like, actually, you kind of do look heavy?
And then you say that the neighbor, you know, the
neighbor would look better in that pants. That's kind of
what you did. Well, I mean, if that's your interpretation,
(35:41):
I can understand. And you're you are in time of
the interpretation. Let me tell you what the intent was. Um,
the intent was this. I look at Hugh Jackson, and
I look at the success he had with a guy
like Andy Dalton, who maybe is comparable a little bit
um in my opinion in certain ways to Sam Donald.
Both right, both have red hair. That's tough. Yeah, And
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I trust me. I love Sam Donald. I was with
him a couple of weeks ago. Great respect for him,
and he's something special. He and Josh are both something special.
So I love them both. But I just felt like,
you know, as I looked at it, and look, I'm
I'm an amateur when it comes I'm not in the
Cleveland draft room or the Jets draft room or the
Giants draft room, and I'm not exactly sure what they're
looking for. When I was asked the question, I thought
(36:24):
about it and I thought, you know what, I think Sam,
maybe he's a little bit better fit for Cleveland. You
know he uh, he had to kind of fight I
think at certain points. And I don't know that he
ever admit this, the you know, the perception that Josh
was the better quarterback. Uh, so we might have a
little bone to pick with that. Like once again, I've
never heard him say that. I don't know that he
believes that. It's pure speculation on my part um. You know, Uh,
(36:49):
he is Uh, He's got a real toughness and fierceness
about him. And to say that doesn't mean Josh doesn't,
because I believe Josh does as well. It was just
a gut thing that that, Hey, I think that he's
a great fit for Cleveland. And I actually sent Josh
a text before I made the comment. I said, Hey,
I'm about to go in the air and I'm going
to say that Sam Donald's a better fit for Cleveland.
(37:11):
And he said, okay, you know, thanks coach, and not like, hey, thanks,
I'm trying to stay away from Cleveland because I don't
believe that at all. But just you know, hey, thanks
for keeping me up on things. And I've tried to
do that with Josh because you know, I care about
him desperately. I've known him a long time, I love
him and his family, and I don't want to do
anything to fracture our relationship. And uh and I think
I probably um offended him a little bit when he
(37:35):
saw them. He saw the reaction to it, you know,
and I know this in texting back and forth this weekend,
he said, boy, I've sure gotten a lot of requests
from the media and calls from coaches saying why doesn't
your your head coach like you? So that's why I
think it's been really important for me these last couple
of days. I have a chance to explain that not
only do I like him, but I love him. Not
(37:55):
only do you think he's the best quarterback in the draft,
but I believe he's the most impactful play or immediately.
And and you know, we could argue that for days
and days and days, because there's other players that are
fantastic too, But if you want a quarterback, they can
come in day one, absorb your system, go on the
field and and play at a high level. It's Josh Rosen,
(38:16):
so Jim Mora joining us Doug Outlife show, Fox Sports Radio.
There's a there's a bunch there. But look, first of all,
I like the fact that you speak your mind. Like
if you want to do this, if you want to
do the TV thing for a long time, you're good
at it, then you have to on some level disassociate
even from your friends and just give your own spinion.
So I'm that's it's. It's when you're dealing with a
young person where you know it's really affecting their life, honestly, honestly, honestly,
(38:40):
you say it about a coach and they freak out.
You say it about a young person and they say
you're mean. You're mean to kids. Even though he's he's
a he's a grown up and he's able to to
prove you right or to prove you wrong. Um okay, Look,
anyone who watched you guys play for example, of the
Coliseum this year, you watch one guy you like, Josh Rosen.
That's when an NFL quarterback is supposed to look like.
We would all agree that he's more ready than even
(39:03):
Sam Donald would be ready to play immediately. But if
he goes to say the New York Giants, where everybody
thinks he fits best. He's not going to play immediately.
He has to eventually take over for Eli Manning, and
that could be difficult. He played for you right away.
What's your what's your assessment of I understand you think
he fits New York City better, that offense better, maybe
(39:23):
the franchise better. But can he sit for a year?
Can he sit for two years? Can he sit for
three years? I don't. I wouldn't. I would think that that,
uh and not once again. I can't speak for the
Giants and what they're thinking, but UM, I see him
more fitting with the New York Jets, you know, UH.
And I think Jeremy Bates, he's their offensive coordinator, would
(39:44):
do a tremendous job with him. And I think that
Josh would step in and he'd be able to to
play right away and leave that team. And I think
he'd be able to handle living in New York City.
He lived in l A most of his life, so
you know, similar environments in terms of the scrutiny that
be under Uh. I keep saying Giants and Jets synonymous
of one another, just because I you know, that's the
(40:07):
second and the third pick. And you know, if I'm
going to say that that uh, that Sam Donald, you know,
is a great fit for Cleveland, I'm going to say,
you know, irrespective of the fact that Eli is there,
I think that, you know, Josh Rosen is going to
be a great quarterback. And with a guy like Pat Shermer,
who I know, uh and I respect, and a guy
like Jerry Bates, who I know and I respect, I
(40:29):
think he'd be great fits there. And just as I
said with Hugh Jackson, I don't know he as well,
but I certainly respect him in the work that he's
done and what he did with Andy Dalton. It just
kind of all made sense to me. Maybe my mind
is just works it a little bit different, or maybe
I was just being a little too honest. I don't know.
There are remember he's yeah, he put one of the
(40:50):
reasons that he didn't have the career I think anybody
would think he would have, for you was he struggled
to stay healthy. He had remember he had the shoulder
thing which stopped him from playing tennis, and he had
some sort of there was some bone or something deal,
some weird deal his sophomore year right which which limited him. Uh.
You know, here's where it was, Doug, and I'm sorry
(41:11):
to interrupt his his sophomore year, We're playing Arizona State
and he landed. He got hit on the sidelines as
he was scrambling, and defensive lineman landed on him when
he was sideways and hurt his shoulder. So he had
to have his shoulder repaired. And he came back as
strong as ever with his shoulder. And then this year
he had a concussion and at U c l a
(41:32):
with our medical staff and you know, our concern for
the long term welfare these kids. You know, he was
removed from play for a few games. And so it
wasn't like he had a bunch of different injuries. As
a matter of fact, he had. He had pains, and
he had difficulties that he showed extreme toughness in playing through.
Uh that you know are not documented and don't need
to be because they're gone now. No, I understand, but
(41:53):
there there are there are concerns for men of help
people I've talked to you about about durability issues. Um,
how how how concerning should that be? I personally, may
I don't think it's a concern, you know, I mean
shoot your quarterback and you're gonna take some shots and
if you land wrong, you know, just like has happened
we've seen with Tony Romo on your shoulder, it can
(42:14):
affect you. Or Drew Brees early in his career on
his shoulder, it can affect you. And if Josh takes
a hit like that, or if Josh Holland does, or
Sam Donald Baker Mayfield or you know, Lamar Jackson and
those guys, that's gonna hurt him. But I don't have this.
He's not I can tell you this. He's not fragile
at all. He's tough as hell, tough as hell, and
he's competitive as hell. And I want to say this
(42:36):
Doug for the record, he loves football and he loves
to compete. Okay, So last thing, Um, there's the narrative
on Josh is is pretty pretty clear. There's there are
some people that when he's at St. John Bosco in
high school, great success, there's something something where they didn't
love him. Um. You know, Trent Dilford talked about how
first time he met Josh, first time around and the
(42:58):
elite Levin didn't love him. He likes him more and
there is this sense that even if you feel like
not everybody loved him, and yet everybody respects the talent.
You've lived it now, You've lived it since recruiting him,
to signing him, to coaching him for three years. Why
is that the narrative? You know, I don't know. I
think it's because he speaks his mind. And I think
(43:19):
that he has learned as he's mature, that speaking your
mind can have consequences, and I think that's why he's
more careful now with what he says. But I will
tell you this, the players that were on his team
looked at him as a leader. Um. He was voted
captain weekend and week out, and voted captain at the
end of the year. Um. They respected him and they
liked him. And what they like about him is that
(43:41):
he wasn't afraid to stick up for them. You know,
he wasn't afraid to say things that reflected negatively on
him towards the n c a A and maybe what
he interpreted as a you know, an unfair treatment of
the student athlete. And he did that really for his teammates.
So you know, people at U s A they did
(44:02):
like and his teammates did like and his coaches did
like him. He was a pleasure to be around. He
he never was condescending, he never was negative. He was
very coachable. Uh he worked hard. Uh. You know when
you text him or call him, he'd respond immediately. You know,
it was always yes, coach, yes sir, Uh no emoji
(44:24):
would he wouldn't get back to you with the fifth
of the fifth pound emoji was always no. I didn't
get me to those, but I loved his I loved
his tweets yesterday. I loved his first one, which was
the why with the shrug, and then I thought the
other one was even more telling his opinions. And then
his hashtag is something like, you know, everyone takes things
too seriously whatever, which to me just kind of gave
an indication of his perspective. And I was in contact
(44:44):
with him all day yesterday via text. You know, this
is a great young man. I said it on the
air yesterday. And my daughter are friends. They are not dating,
they are friends. And I'm really glad that she has
a friend like Josh Rosen. I'm really as a father,
I'm like, I'm really glad my daughter has a friend
like Josh Rosen. Jim great stuff. Man, I really appreciate
(45:08):
you joining us. Look forward to more work leading up
to the NFL Draft on the NFL Network. And thanks
also for giving us the heads up on the new
helmet company that you're part of. That that's that's that's
awesome to look into it. You know, hey, hey, how
did your wife calm you? Okay? And I'll help you
honest question the pads you know like it looks like
a turtle shell, those pads that I know j V
high school teams use for the non com when they're
(45:30):
doing the seven on seven. Why don't they use that
for like games? Why? Uh? Well, that's you know, that's
made by a company named game Breaker, which I'm also
involved with. I'm really you know, interested in this in
the in the brain trauma. So game Breaker is owned
by a man named Mike Jewels out here in California.
He's doing tremendous things, not only football, ben and in
(45:50):
other sports soccer rugby as well. And the kids you're
seeing him wearing them for seven on seven? Um, you're
seeing them warn. I saw the England versus Land rugby
match a couple of weeks ago New Year on St.
Patrick's daan a couple of guys were wearing them, but
it's a great tool to wear um when you're not
in full contact mode. Yeah, they wear them over the
(46:11):
helmets though in practice too, Yeah you can do that too.
You can put them over in the helmets in practice,
but games like, if it keeps you safer in practice,
want to do it safer in games? That's a great question.
I really, honestly, I don't know the answer to that, Doug.
I can find out for you and let if you
want call me on any of this stuff for your family,
just please do Okay, thanks so much, and I appreciate
(46:31):
you joining us. Take care all right. That's a Jim
Mora joining us on the Doug Out Lip Show.
Host
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