April 12, 2018 • 44 mins
On today's Best Of, Doug says the "customer is always right" cliche is something Colin Kaepernick supporters are just going to have to understand. He gets the outrage with the Seahawks "postponing" Kaepernick's workout, but in the end the NFL is a business. NFL Insider, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show giving us his thoughts on Kaepernick vs Seahawks. Plus, the guys get into the NFL Draft, and if there could be any surprises later this month. NBA Insider, Sam Amick jumps on air to preview the NBA playoffs, and Doug tells you what Packers QB Aaron Rodgers & Texans Owners Bob McNair have in common.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Dog Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, comment you from beautiful Sonny. San Diego,
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We're headed to the Padres game. Check them out against
the Giants. San Diego has welcomed us, and they will
not They will be the better because of it, and
so will we. To be quite honest, all right, let's
get to it. Story of the day is not all
the fisticuffs in Major League Baseball last night or yesterday
afternoon in Colorado, last night in Boston. The story of
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the day is not the NBA Playoffs being set in Minnesota,
squeaking in in overtime over the Denver Nuggets. Truth is,
Timberwolves probably underachieved, laid down against some of the worst
teams in the NBA. It's the only reason they were
the eight seed. There better than that, and I do
think they could be a dangerous out for the Houston Rockets.
That's not the story of the day. The story of
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the day is Colin Kaepernick. And you're like, oh god,
I am so tired of talking about Colin Kaepernick. You
know who else is tired of talking about Colin Kaepernick fans?
They are And I know that because of the story
which broke earlier today, Adam Schefter tried to break Twitter
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his own sort of woad bomb after arranging for Colin Kaepernick.
This is a tweet from Schefter to work out for
the Seahawks this week. Of course, the Seahawks are in
need of a backup quarterback, and even though last year
when they brought Kaepernick in, they summarily dismissed him, saying, hey,
we know he's a starter where he wants to be
a starter, this might not be the right fit. So
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they wanted to work him out see where he was
Seattle again. This is from the tweet postponed the trip
when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem.
Next season, League sources tell ESPN that was the first tweet,
all right. The second tweet on the essentially the same
topic is from Ian Rappaport also covers the NFL. For
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the NFL network instead his tweet. The Seahawks did postpone
tendively scheduled workout with Colin Kaepernick. As Adam Schefter reported,
it was not because he declined to stop kneeling, though,
and by the way, used the correct th h O
in Twitter speak. Though the team asked for his plan
moving forward on how to handle everything, and there was
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no firm plan. Alright, let's start with the ladder and
then work to the former. One of the big issues
with Colin Kaepernick's protest has been there has there has
been no plan, there has been The good works he
has done off the football field was not part of
the plan. He has done an amazing amount of good
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war works. But people's reaction to the words that he
used and the protest I think spiraled out of control
and he was not ready for that last year at
this exact same time. Actually, you go back to a
year and a half ago, at the year and a
half ago when he was out of the league and
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Colin Kaepernick had planned to stop kneeling. That was when
when San Francisco released him, Adam Schafter reported that he
was going to stop kneeling. Alright, So whether or not, Seattle,
you think is the bad guys because they don't want
to have a quarterback kneeling, or they don't even want
to bring him a quarterback who's thinking about steal kneeling,
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or you want to think Kaepernick is wrong because he
has no plan. Here's what you need to know, all right.
If you run a business, you're gonna nod your head
because you know I'm right. And if you don't nod
your head, it's because you either don't operate a business
or you don't operate a successful business. I believe Jalen
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Rose says, give the people what they want a quote
Drill and Rose. But the old business adages the customer
is always right. The customer is always right. Some of
you will ask, and listening to this show, why don't
you talk about hockey? You know why? Because the customer
is always right. There have been enough there, there has
been enough research to tell us that not enough people
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care about hockey, so we won't talk about it. Does
it exist? Sure? Is it a great sport? Nobody's disputing it.
If I go to a hockey game in the playoffs,
I don't know any of the players, I don't really
understand the matchups, but I have a good time, drink
a beer, and you know what dudes are. I mean,
last night I did happen. I was in a bar
having dinner with some friends, and I saw that Pittsburgh
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beat Philadelphia was seven and nothing, and all of a
sudden they started fighting. And all I know about hockey
is generally the playoffs. Seven nothing seems like an ass
whopping and there was a fight, and there's never fights
in the playoffs. That said, that's the most I will
talk about hockey the rest of the day. You know why,
because the customer is always right. Guestmer's always right. You
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may ask yourself why there's Chippotle, there's Kudoba, there's I know,
there's Indian restaurants. Why do there's um whether it's Pie
Not or Blaze, which is Lebron James's pizza place. Why
why do we have so many of these restaurants where
they make it right there, kind of subway style in
front of you and it's done. Whatever happened to old
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school fast food or the old school restaurant sit down style.
People want things fast, but they want to see them
made in front of him because they want to feel
like they pick the ingredients, you know how they came
upon that idea, research what does the customer want? Because
the customer is always right? And and look, Jerry Jones,
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he knows something about football, having played football. He knows
a lot about business, having run a seriously and ridiculously
successful business in Dallas. And all he has tried to
implore is not that the president is right. You may
think this is a Republicans, the Republicans and rich guys
shutting down. This is the man shutting down, shutting down
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the liberal agenda to start a conversation on police abuse
of the citizens. No, it ain't all it is is
the NFL is coming coming off of their biggest ratings
decline in the last twenty five years. The Seattle Seahawks
are coming off of season where they had a fiercely
divided locker room and they need a backup quarterback. They
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don't need a starting quarterback, they need a backup quarterback,
backup quarterback, no drama. And the people, or at least
enough people have spoken out that says, you know, there
are even people that believe in what Colin Kaepernick is protest,
but you know what they don't want. They don't want
it on Sunday when they're watching football, they don't want
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it on Monday when they're watching football. They are so tired.
I'm sure many of you are like, dude, why are
you talking about it? Because it only iterates and reiterates
my point. The customer has spoken, and the customer is right, right,
And like, look why they put Roseanne back on TV?
Go back and watch old Roseanne's and you know Roseanne
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was kind of Family Guy before Family Guy. You know,
they went there. And also, who watches who watches Network TV? Right?
Network TV is watched by old people. It just is like,
why has CBS dominated prime time network TV? Like, man,
that show? That show is old. I'm not really blue.
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My mom watches Blue Bloods. But that's good because old
people are the only ones watching network TV. The rest
of us have moved on to net flicks and Amazon
and we watch sports. And you know, my wife watches
h G TV and she's trying to you know, she
wants to. Everybody wants to have their out own reality
show or rehab houses or rehab houses while having a
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reality show. And the reason you skew your programming to
fit those who are watching it is because the people
have spoken. The customer is always right. So you don't
have to agree with the Seahawks and not wanting to
bring him in. You don't have to agree with Colin
Kaepernick not having a plan. But you have to understand
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that the NFL is simply reacting to enough of their
fans saying I've had it, I don't want it, and
and an NFL front office saying, you know, look, it's
not hiring Colin Kaepernick. Putting on the team. That's easy,
it'll be celebrated. You know. The hard thing is not
playing him on Sunday, discussing it when he's a backup,
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and if you ever have to cut him, that's really hard.
But but the the basic premise, it's not collusion, and this,
by the way, proves it's not clue. It's not NFL
teams getting together. This is one NFL team saying, hey,
do you want to come work out for us? And
what do you decided on on the whole protesting thing.
I don't know. You don't know. It's the most polarizing
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political topic in sports in the last twenty five years.
You don't know. It's not a good enough answer. And
by the way, if the answer is taking a knee.
That's not the correct answer, because we've had enough of
our fans say no thanks. Remember the most there's a
do you know why my TV network, Fox has gone
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after Peyton Manning? You know? I and why fought why
Peyton Manning is in so many TV ads because he
plays in the Midwest. Everybody in the Midwest. First he
played for Midwest to Midwest teams. Kind of I know
that Denver is not in the Midwest, but the Midwest
has kind of always kind of claimed the Broncos as
sort of their z I team. Of course, the Indianapolis
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Colts is in the Midwest. And if you look at
a map red and blue, guess which states are more
red than blue. A matter of fact, they are bright,
bright red the Midwest. It doesn't say that these problems
don't exist. It doesn't say that Colin Kaepernick on some
level hasn't done an incredible job of trying to make
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a change in the world. And doesn't even mean it
that the Seahawks don't want the world to be a
better place. Remember this is Seattle, and and while it's
not San Francisco or maybe Portland, I do believe that
more women shaved and don't shave as opposed to Portland's.
I like Portland. Portland's weird though, right, it's it's it's
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if you've been a point like man Portland. Seattle still
got a little weird to it, not as weird as
Portland's a little weird to it. But remember just as
many Seahawk fans come from outside of urban areas, and
maybe more than in the Seattle metropolis, and they have spoken,
and they have said, look, I love my Hawks, but
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I might not watch or I might not buy season tickets.
And while while you think that is an empty threat,
we said it time and again, it's not for the
starting quarterback. It's for the backup quarterback. Backup quarterback should
be no drama. And if you don't think that, there's
drama when you just say the name Colin Kaepernick, and
it starts to debate in any barbershop, in any restaurant,
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in any home in America. And nobody wants to have
a debate over a backup quarterback, because the customer is
always right. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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If you missed our interview with Ray Allen yesterday, download
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cast called All Ball. You can get that on the
Herd Podcast radio network. We're gonna sit down with with
him sometime next week. But we I asked Ray um
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Jordan or Lebron. He gave me an answer. I asked
him why it ended so poorly in Boston, and I
had him take me through what he remembers about the
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the Spurs and then of course win in Game seven.
He took me through all of that. So Ray all
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enjoined me yesterday again. Download the Doug got Leap Show podcast.
Speaking of podcasts, our next guest has a tremendous one.
If you like me, love football and learning about football
from a guy who played football, and then it's been
a scout in NFL front offices and of course now
is on TV and he has this podcast called Move
the Sticks. It's along with Bucky Brooks, who's a former player,
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also in the front office and now they both worked
for the NFL Networks. Followed Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter at
Moved the Sticks. By the way, DJ, we're in San
Diego today, are you in l A. Do we cross
pass somewhere on the five Freeway? We did. I'm gonna
be honest, I'm not happy about this report that I'm getting. Dug.
I'm a wife long Padre fan. I've been growing up
in San Diego. I mean, you're you're an o Se guy.
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You're you're an Angels fan, right, not a Dodgers fan.
You wouldn't do that. I'm listen, I'm I'm an Angels fan.
We did go to the Dodgers World Series Game one,
and my son has the same birthday as Clayton Kershaw
and he's a left handed pitch so so so I did.
But I mean we still got Mike Trout, Joyo Tani
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and um and it's it's still the Halos. So he's
he's a little bit of both. But what you're mad
because at some point I'm not throwing out the first
I'm not throwing it out tonight. I've just received word
that they were gonna do one of these, like five
guys throughout the first pitch at the same time. Nobody
puts baby in a corner. I'm not throwing I'm not
throwing out the first pitch with like ten dudes. No. Hey, hey,
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there's only one guy that can get to that mount.
You can say you're bringing out five and that's that's
that's so if you're not going to be that guy,
you can't do it. Yeah. So anyway, we're gonna we'll
go to the game, but we're gonna reschedule that still.
Uh look, I I am what I am. I'm not
gonna be a phony. I'm not gonna sit here and
suck up. I love the folks of San Diego. They
should have built the stadium. They would have gotten every
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different event possible and now they don't. But we're gonna
keep it real for the folks in San Diego. All right.
I want to get to h the two l A
quarterbacks Orange County l A quarterback. I want to get
to all that quarterback discussion. First. Let me just kind
of get your reaction as a guy who's been in
the front office, so now I in Rapp Borter works
for the NFL Network, has kind of continued this discussion
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on Kaepernick and why the they have indefinitely postpone poned
his visit to Seattle because they want to know what
his plan was for the protest, what his plan was
moving forward, and he apparently didn't have one. His camp says, well,
it was all about the protest and taking a neil
and taking a knee and nothing else. How, what's your
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reaction this story, Well, the reaction as teams. We're just
talking about this a little bit earlier on on a
different subject, but it's the same answer is that teams
don't want to be surprised. Now we were talking about
it in the context of these draft prospects and what
do you want personality wise? It's it's not about you
know what you want personality wise, It's it's about you know,
knowing what you're getting and and knowing the answers and
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you can prepare to deal with whatever comes with that.
I would say it's it's pretty similar in this situation,
I would think, and not you know, they just want
to know what what is what's your game plan, so
we can then, you know, create our game plan. It's
not necessarily a hey, you you want to Neil, We're
not going to bring in I would think it's more
along the lines and we just want to know if
you can let us know, then we can go forward.
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Um and he's also a backup quarterback to right, Like
it's even that's been the narrative forever. I mean, it's
just if it was you know, if it was a
player that've been playing an elite level this, you know,
we wouldn't be talking about it. Dania Jeremiah joining us
on the Doug Gottlib Show. Okay, so now we're hearing
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all different sorts of rumors about quarterbacks. Let's just start
with the Cleveland Browns because they determined so much with
this NFL draft. They had Tyrod Taylor, so there. I mean, look,
I I've said all along, it makes sense to have
a veteran because John Dorsey can do in Cleveland what
they did in Kansas City last year. Red shirt. Whoever
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your quarterback is, So who are you led to believe
will be the number one pick? Well, who I think
it should be is who I've said all along. And
Sam Donald who you know the latest. When you just
talk to people around the league, you just hear more
and more about Josh Allen being the pick there. And
that's again not coming from inside the Browns organization, but
everybody else around the league that I talked too lately.
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That's been the buzz that's been you know, hey, just
be ready for that. I think that's gonna happen. I
really think that's gonna happen. Um So I would say
right now it's I think it's totally a toss up.
Would would be my answer to that, Doug, I think
it should be Donald. Um. I think Donald is a
double off the wall to stay with the baseball analogy,
whereas I think with Josh Allen you could hit a
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home run which could strike out. What about Rosen and
uh so much of what we've heard now, um is
one thing that I don't here discussed a lot that
I've talked to NFL people about is the durability issue.
And a lot of people talked about the personality, but
for NFL people, there's also an issue about with with durability.
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How real is that issue? Well, that's the thing that
comes up when I talked to teams it's not. It's
not the other stuff. I mean, that's the stuff that
gets focused on in the media. But um, when you
talk to teams, the durability is the major concern. And
I'll be quite honest with you, if if he had
been durable and hadn't missed any time at U c
l A, I'd have him as the top quarterback in
the entire draft. So that to me was my major
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hang up there with Josh. Yeah, but that's a hang up.
What about Donald's the elongated release of Donald and some
of the turnovers. How do you balance out his negative
with with with Rosen's negative. Well, to me, when you
look at Donald's negative, okay, along, elongat doesn't really bother
me because I see how quick and how explosive he
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is with it, So I don't think it's as big
of an issue. But when I when I look at
the turnovers, the fumbles are the thing that you worry about.
I don't worry about the interceptions. They mostly took place
early in the season, um, and you can I can
point several of them that weren't even on him. But
the fumbels in the pocket is a legit that's legit issue.
I just when I watched these guys all back to back,
and you watch how fast Sam Donald processes and how
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quickly he moves and sees things and reacts, I thought
he was on another level. Um, I'm trying to figure
out what the Giants are going to do. Uh, you
have a guy who in Dave Gentleman, who um coming
from Carolina where they went to the Super Bowl with
a running game and when the defense that got after you,
right and in talented defensive backs. It's a guy who
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when he was successful previously again in Carolina, they jettisoned
their star wide receivers d Smith, but he was longer
in the tooth later on his career. Give me your
sense for what the Giants maybe should do well. I
mean I sit there and look at it and say,
you've got a thirty seven year old quarterback who has
not played at a consistently high level for going on
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what five six years now, where he's been up and
down and the turnovers have been an issue. I don't
know when you're ever gonna be picking up there again.
So I view there's a gap between the second third quarterbacks.
For me, it's it's Rosen and Uh or Donald first,
then Rosen, then a little bit of a gap before
you get to three and four with Mayfield and Allen.
So it was me and you're in a team picking second,
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and you think you've got a franchise quarterback there at
number two. You know, look, I think Chubb in in
Barkley or higher graded prospects, but I think you owe
it to your organization to take the quarterbacks. And then
you have the Jets, who, of course that they move up,
but they don't move up into prime position. They still
are beholden to other teams to make that decision before
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they get their choice. Um, what are your thoughts in
the Jets position. Well, it's still one of those things
when you talk to people around the league, they're still
kind of just struck by how bizarre that was to
do that at that point in time, so early in
the process. Um, to not know, you know, so many
variables in place, who's going to be there? So it
was a very unusual trade. But obviously they feel comfortable
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with three different quarterbacks and uh, you know, we'll kind
of find out who those are. I assume that that
that Sam Donald is one of them. It's trying to
figure out who the other two would be, Um, you know,
I look at him in Baker Mayfield's name. You keep
hearing associated with him more and more, and I think
that's kind of the opposite theory, right, He's basically the
polar opposite of Hackenburg, who you you took a big
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swing and miss on there. He's he's a polar opposite
in terms of what he's He's he's much more accurate. Uh,
he's much more mobile, but he's smaller, he's more athletic,
he's more accurate, he's a such pastor. He doesn't have
the huge arm that Hackenburg has. He's got he's kind
of more more personality. Like, he's literally almost the opposite
just every way Hackenburg was wasn't winning enough games that
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pends date. Baker Mayfield was learning a bunch of games
in Oklahoma, you know, on and on and on and on. Yeah,
doesn't that have a big possibility of I just my
fear with Baker Mayfield is that it's not all horse
no cattle. But like, look, tell me the last big
twelve quarterback to really do it. Now. Granted he went
in and lit up Ohio State, but um, it's an
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offense that that produced Johnny Menzel produced case Keenum right
and didn't produce Russell Wilson. And there are times to
which they're just a limited. Yes, you have to have
some of the intangibles. He has super high football i Q.
And he's got that kind of cock of the walk
chip on his shoulder thing that works for him. But
he is small. He isn't as athletic as Russell Wilson.
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He doesn't have the arm of Russell Wilson. And people
want him to be the next Russell Wilson because they
they don't want to miss on the next Russell Wilson.
I just I feel like we're creating this narrative to
which his talent won't necessarily live up to. Yeah. I mean,
for me, my comparison has actually been Jeff Garcon You
you know, that's who he kind of reminds me of. Yeah,
that's just you look, somebody has you know, we're gonna operates.
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He's quick, he's not explosive, and I mean that in
terms of as an athlete and as a as a thrower.
I think he's got a good arm. He doesn't have
a huge arm. It's good enough. Um, But to me,
it's got to be a quick rhythm throwing offense to
part you know, it's somewhat similar. You're not gonna be
able to duplicate what they did at Oklahoma, but he's
limited in terms of what what he can function in,
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and that to me is why there's the cut off
between those top two guys, who I think you can
put them in just about any type of offense. They
can function and be successful. I think it's got to
be very, very very uh very specific with what you're
gonna ask Baker Mayfield to do. Dana Jeremiah NFL Network
joining us Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. DJ has
an incredible podcast, Move the Sticks. It's also on TV.
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He's on TV on the NFL Network along with Bucky Brooks.
You should follow him on Twitter at Move the Move
the Sticks. Best guess of what's going on in New
England to first now two seconds and a third, A
lot of holes to fill. Um went out and got
Cordarold Patterson as a return guy. Um, you know you
filled a whole at wide receiver as well. What do
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you think they're doing there with all those picks? That's
the opposite of what they did last year? Well, I
know in New England. I wouldn't be surprised if at
the end of the day, like they ended up with
no first round picks, they trade back both of those
picks and end up, you know, with seven picks in
the second round. I mean, that's that'd be like a
New England type thing to do, and they end up
with somehow having a first round pick an extra first
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round pick in next year's draft. I mean, that's kind
of the way they've operated. We've talked and kicked around
the idea of maybe them trading up for a quarterback.
That's just that's not really in their d n A.
So uh so many different holes to fill. I think
you've gotta come out of this draft with the with
the linebacker. You've got to come out of this draft
with the tackle. You've got to hopefully come out of
this draft with with somebody you can throw in the
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quarterback position that gives you hope they could be the
successor down the line. And I think the way they
do that is more second third round than what they
would do in the first round. Yeah, and see them
moving up those with those two picks to get Roquan
Smith is number one raded middle linebacker. He's great, but
I just that does not seem like a patriot short
of thing to do. That would be. Yeah, I don't,
I don't. I don't see it see it either. Alright, anyway, Uh,
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next time we'll high five on the five when we
crossed pass. But I really appreciate you join us. Thanks, buddy,
go get us the win today. All right. I mean, listen,
I'm available. I'm available out of the pen. I've been
throwing mostly to fourth and fifth graders, um, but you know, listen, um,
there was some fourth There was a fourth and fifth
grade fight going on yesterday in Colorado. So maybe maybe
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that's maybe that's why they're bringing me in, to bring
me out of the pen. Danner Jeremiah, former NFL scout,
NFL Network analyst, joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Alright, with
the teams are set, the tanking has been completed. We'll
see how successful Tanka Bloosa two thousand eighteen was. But
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the NBA regular season is over. Sam Aimick from USA
Today covers the league kind enough to join US. Um,
why do you think it wasn't it felt like it
wasn't made to be that big a deal and it
was assist a league wide issue, all these teams tanking.
Why wasn't it made it to be a bigger deal nationally?
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Good question, I think, And I don't know. Maybe it's
because Doug the you know, the rules are obviously changing
this uh, this non this June the following June when
it comes to the draft, and I kept using the
parallel or the analogy of the people of it. It's
like happy hour at the bar, and all these teams
are trying to get their orders in before seven pm
rolls around and trying to up their odds of I'm
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getting in on this particular draft. But you know, it's
also interesting to have you have to reconcile the tanking
teams with the Sixers Cinderella story in which they've taken off.
So you know, maybe that's another subset of it, right,
Like you know, we're seeing some of the stuff pay off,
and things like Dallas and a lot of others like
him in Chicago all the way down the line, or
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are trying to go down that road, right, I mean,
it's worked for Philadelphia, but people have missed on it's
worked for Milwaukee tank. Minnesota tanked, right, they're like and
outside of basketball, the Houston Astros tanked, people are copying
it because you know it's worked. It's better to be
really really bad than to be competitive and just and
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just and just. Okay, Um, the New York Knicks have
been They're just They're just stuck here right now. They
do have Perzingias coming back off of injury, so there
is some hope. They fired Jeff Hornes sec today. Um,
what's your thoughts on how they I mean, everybody wants
to look at the guys, the Larry Brown's, the Hub Browns,
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the Rick Pettino's. I mean, you named Phil Jackson come
back to be president. They've all tried to get the
Knicks back, but they've all and pat Riley came the
closest but still couldn't do it. What direction do they go?
We'll see. I think that the guiding force here, Doug
that you know, if anybody is not familiar at all
with goot Terry their GM, you know, I think learning
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a little bit about his background and kind of what
he's trying to do is is what you start with, um,
because I do think Jim Dolan is letting him figure
out what he wants to do. You know, Scott had
a good little run in Sacramento after years at in Orlando,
comes from Oklahoma City before that, and even Seattle to
a degree from the Sam Presty Tree and and Scott.
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You know, I wasn't shocked at all when I saw
the decision to fire Jeff because I did think that
Sccott going in wanted to hire his own guy. And
you know, right out of the gate, you're hearing names
like David Fizzel, obviously from Memphis and previously Miami heat assistant,
you know, beloved by Lebron James and d Wade and
all those guys. Definitely a hot name right now. David Blatt,
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which is a little unexpected considering the way he ended
in Cleveland, but I do think that's going to be
in the running. Mark Jackson is is, you know, kind
of the go to obvious name that I think is
legit as well, So I we'll see. I think Scott
with that front office, Steve Mills still part of it,
They're gonna figure out you know, to me, it's who's
the best developmental guy they've got, you know, young guys
that have got to get better right now. And we
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are seeing in terms of trends and you mentioned tanking
and Philly and takeaways and lessons that need to be applied.
Here is that, you know, the good old fashioned prospect
of developing guys that are not lottery picks and getting
the most out of the guys you have in house
through coaching and through your system and through your training
is huge and they got to hit the right mark
with this coaching higher sam Ammy joining us on the
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Doug Gotlip Show, what's the most interesting first round series? Probably?
And I'm admittedly I end up being a little having
a West Coast bias because I'm out here, um, but
Oklahoma City, Utah is probably one I would pick. It's
not sexy in terms of having it's essentially two small
market teams, and I almost lament the fact that mainstream
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America probably won't pay too much attention. But it could
be really, really good. And I love the contract because
you have star power for the thunder raining envy p
Russell Westbrook with his you know two new all star
Buddies and Paul George and Carmelo Anthony, a lot of
pressure and Paul's free agency coming quickly in July, and
they really need to make noise in the playoffs, and
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it is a it's a tough ask for them to
get over on this Jazz team that is arguably the
best in the NBA for the last three months other
than Houston, and the way they defend with Rudy Gobert
in the middle and Donovan Mitchell doing what he's been
doing as a rookie has been incredible. And the contrast
that I think is going to make for potentially good
theater is that, again, you've got all this experience on
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the Okay seaside and all this pressure, and then you
have all this inexperience and really not I think, not
very much pressure at all for Utah. They have already,
you know, just knocked it out of the park. And um,
you know, can Donovan play on this stage, you know,
in the playoffs, but that's by light. Can Rudy be
that dominant? I think, you know, just kind of waiting
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and seeing which way that goes is gonna be fun.
Um Russell Westbrook average of trouble double a second straight year,
but people's reaction far different this year. What's what are
people and what are people in the NBA say about
how Russell has played this season with this crew. It's
tough to get a beat on it because it's always
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like two conversations. It's it's amazement and and there's nothing
but respect when it comes to what he does individually
and the impact. You just you can't like that conversation
is a full stop right there. Averaging a triple double
is still incredible. It's never been done twice by the
same guy, and so it's incredible to me that full
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disclosure Doug yesterday, to give you a quick example, it
snuck up on me. I didn't even realize he needed
sixteen rebounds, and then you know, my office called me
and said, hey, we probably could use a story if
you wouldn't mind. I mean, I had very little time
to put something together and we were a little bit
kind of late reacting to it because it was under
the radar um. But the team concept and the team
discussion is a lot more nuanced and probably a lot
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more negative because they have underperformed. They have the They
ended up winning one more game this season than they
did last year when they didn't have Paul George Anthony.
So how do you not have some of that, if
not a lot of it fall at Russell's feet. Even
with those incredible numbers, you know, the questions are, why
couldn't they defended a higher level, Why couldn't they score
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at a higher level? You know why it was mellow
not more successful? And the point guard a lot like
the head coach, is going to be analyzed, and I
think fairly when it comes to just a team not
playing up to their potential and then the Thunder haven't
done that this year. Sam Ammy Jinnys from USA Today
covers the NBH Doug Gallant Show, Fox Sports Radio. Well,
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most I think most people think, all right, James Harden's
team finished with the best record, James Harden had a
great season. James Harden becomes your kind of de facto
m v P. I could make the argument that it
should be Lebron James Um. He did play ten more games,
so it hurts his averages a little bit, but he
also kind of seemed to turn around this season. That
was that was falling apart. Some of it was his
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own doing, some of it was was not his doing.
They still won fifty games. If you want to go
true value, Um, could you the second straight year average
you can triple double, something we hadn't seen since Oscar Robertson.
That's Russell Westbrook. I don't think it'd be Kevin Kevin Durant,
but he still scored a high level and it could
be Defensive Player of the Year. Um, I look at
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m v P and say, it's the guy who had
the best year on the best team, not the most valuable.
That's that's too hard a conversation for voters to really
get into. Is it James Harden? Without any question? It
is for me? Yeah, I mean with one the only
qualifier for me would be that I was riveted in
the final few weeks and and almost the entire month
when Lebron was playing at an incredible level and it
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was fun to watch. And but what made it fun
obviously is the context and the fact that not only
was he doing what he was doing, not only did
they kind of come out of nowhere to finish really
strong after having such a hard time, and you know,
Isaiah Thomas getting traded, all that stuff that went down,
But it's everything you already know, Doug, it's fifteenth year,
it's thirty three years old, it's leading the league in minutes.
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It's you know, conversations about MJ and how he never
did this fifteen seasons in even he can't say that.
So super compelling stuff. But when you bring it all
back to the m v P debate, In the m
v P discussion, what settles it for me is that,
for one, you're talking about James Harden and what he's
done being from beginning to end. And also his narrative
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is not too bad because I hear a lot of
people talk about how well Lebron James would have loved
to have had somebody like Chris Paul. Well, guess what
Christmas twenty five games, and they kept winning when Chris
was now James led the way. Opening night I think
set the perfect tone. They beat the Warriors on a
night when Chris hurts his knee at Oracle Arena and
James has a really good night, and they sent an
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early message that they were for real, so that the
consistency all the way through for me, gets it done.
The fact that they were in the end fourteen games
better than the Calves gets it done. Uh And then
in terms of Lebron, for me, I'm just a major
knock that has been consistent the last couple of years.
Is again you talk about culpability that Cavs defense twenty
nine in the NBA. I mean, that's just inexcusable. If
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that was hard in the defense and his Rockets were
at that kind of a place, I'd be saying the
same thing. So I think that doesn't help Lebron case
all right, help me out. Vegas still believes the Warriors
are the favorites right there there. I think seven to
five favorites to win an NBA championship to the Rockets
are eight to five favorites. And I point out that
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I think one thing that's missed that they did was
when Steph got hurt, they didn't just get Quinn call
Quinn cook up. They moved him to being the starting
point guard right like he's paying thirty five forty minutes,
so that they wouldn't have to play Sean Livingston, they
wouldn't have to play Andrea Goodala huge minutes. They kept
them in their standard roles and simply elevated a you know,
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a G League point guard uh to a level that
though he performed well. The team didn't play all that well. Um,
what's your level of confidence that the Warriors when, if
will they be fully constitutent? If so, are they still
the favorite? I don't feel like they're the favorites, you know,
And as you know, I'm based in northern California and
around them all the time, and in terms of the
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stuff that's tough to quantify. The vibe, the mojo, the feeling,
it's not a good one around them. Lately. They lose
ten out of seventeen games. A couple of times now,
Steve Kerr has said one thing and his analysis and
Kevin Durant has pushed back and said another. Um, you're
kind of alluding to something though that I think could
be really interesting, you know. Do they have some sort
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of grand plan here that we are missing in which
Sean Livingston feels fresh and ready to roll despite some
of his injuries, and some of the other vets are
able to bridge this gap that we've seen between them
and whoever they're playing the past couple of weeks. Maybe
because the Quinn Cook thing to me has been as
much as I respect the heck out of his story,
what he's done it's been a little deceiving because he's
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been having good individual numbers, but Clay Thompson's, you know,
just not getting the same looks, not having the same production.
Kevin Durand is still putting on huge numbers, but they're
not winning. Draymond is not scoring very much or being
the playmaker that he once was. I just haven't seen
the dominant Golden State Warriors in quite some time, so
it's hard for me to say they're the favorites. With Houston,
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They've been dominant for a long time. That Luke maba
mute injury is a big deal, and I actually think
that opens the door up a little bit to kind
of help the Warriors bridge that gap. But I think
it's Houston and the Golden State is going to be
super fascinating and interesting because there's a lot of mystery there.
We don't know what they're gonna be. Sam Ammick does
a great job covering the NBA. Read his work online
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or in print with the USA Today, or follow him
on Twitter as well. Sam will catch up after we
get somewhere here through this first round. I can't wait
to hear your feedback on all of these different series.
Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. I appreciate it.
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want to get to something that Bob McNair said last season,
to which he first apologized for and then last week
backpedaled on that apology. And what am I apologizing for?
It's a business expression. The inmates don't run the asylum.
Aaron Rodgers essentially said as much. Right he did, He
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said as much. Take a listen to what Aaron Rodgers
on a station called The Hog in Wisconsin Draft night.
Where are you gonna be? I don't know. I couldn't
even tell you when the draft is. You're not gonna
be perched on Mike McCarthy's right shoulder helping him or
telling him who you need on your side of the
ball this year. I think it's pretty clear that players
play and UH coaches, coach and personnel people make their decision.
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That's the way they want. That's the way they wanted
us versus them. That's the way they wanted. He didn't
say that's the way we want it. And Aaron is incredible.
If you ever spend time around to Aaron Rodger is
he's incredibly bright, and he does he makes the mistake
that smart people do of parsing every word and understanding
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what he says. He's going to get a reaction. He
he knows it. Look, Aaron Rodgers clearly don't wanted Jordy
Nelson to be elsewhere. Well, when you cut Jordy because
he couldn't redo his contract, but you never talked about
redoing a contract, Why would you? Why would you do that? Remember,
there is a new regime in Green Bay, a new
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general manager. They bumped a young guy app and they moved.
They kicked Ted Thompson upstairs and took away most of
his power. They did it because they were tired of
getting criticized, whether internally from Aaron Rodgers and from Mike
McCarthy over not thinking outside the box, not going and
getting free agents or externally for some of those same
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ill fated moves. They've been successful to a point, but
mostly on the arm and legs of Aaron Rodgers. And
so the reaction was to hire somebody and let him
do his job. Now there are many people and for example,
Collin Coward, colleague of ours and Fox Sports Trader. He
thinks that this is a negative. Aaron's mad. Aaron should
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be like he should be like Lebron James and be
given us say, by the way, though they give Lebron
James the heads up, most of the things that have
been done this year have not been done because because
Lebron wanted them done. Look at the successful franchises in
the history of the NBA and you and look at
the successful franchise in the history of the National Football League.
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Look at the successful franchise in the history of Major
League Baseball, and you tell me where the where the
success is in players making the call. Michael Jordan's was
first that they went out and got They went out
and and and got rid, got rid of Charles Oakley.
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Charles Oakley was his protection. Charles Oakley was his guy.
Charles ogle was basically his goon that could start alongside him.
That when Jordan felt like he was getting bludgeoned by
the Pistons and by the Celtics, when he tore the Knicks,
when he drive to the lane, that was his guy
to have his back. He was his hatchet man. He
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loved Charles Oakley. Charles Oakley is super seriously and incredibly loyal,
and the Bulls got rid of him. Brought in medical
Bill Cartwright. That was Bill Cartwright's nickname, Medical Bill Cartwright,
because he could never stay healthy. Do you remember what
happened after they traded for medical Bill cart Right. They
want to be a championship They did not solely because
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of Bill cart Right, but Bill car Right had this
super funky elbows out, really high release shot, but he
could actually make a fifteen footer. He was a better
center for the triangle offense. And he was better in
the locker room than Charles Oakley was, even though Oakley
was super super close with Michael Jordan. Jordan didn't like
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the Scottie Pippen trade when it was first made. Plenty
of moves that were made that Jordan didn't like. But
you know what they did. They put a team around
him that gave him the best opportunity to be his
best version of himself. The San Antonio Spurs. They haven't
asked him Duncan, who he'd want to bring in? Even
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the Miami Heat. They didn't go out and acquire players.
Remember the story from earlier this week and pat Riley's
book is that Lebron James came in and asked pat
Riley if he had the itch to coach again, because
Lebron James was testing to see if they wanted to
get rid of Erik Spoelstra. LaMarcus Altridge wanted a trade
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from San Antonio last year. Remember that didn't go his
first year there didn't go so well. He wanted out.
Pop said no. Now, they were arguably the third or
third or fourth best team in the Western Conference without
Kauai Leonard most of this year. So you can tell me,
hey man, Lebron. By the way, if Lebron James is
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making decisions because he's the man behind the curtain with
Tristan Thompson and j R. Smith dud they're in cap hell.
He can't stay in Cleveland because they can't make it
work financially to go make any moves if this doesn't work.
So the idea of players play, coaches, coach and owners
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own front office guys. They do whatever they do. That's
the reality of That's what Bob mcdaris said. The inmates
can't run the asylum. You can't run the prison. You
just can't. It's so different than have you ever been
to the New Orleans Saints facility. When you walk in
to their practice field, you look up and there's a
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huge sign. You know. That huge sign says when as
I says, it says do your job. So it says
the Patriots. That's and by the way, that comes from
the Patriots, and it's the same expression the Spurs have used.
Do your job. And that's all Aaron Rodgers saying. Look,
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is he cynical about it? Is he snickering about it?
Is he ticked about it because they got rid of
his guy? Sure does he worry that Jimmy Graham? Ain't
that Jimmy Graham of old? Okay? But you know what,
you've always wanted an all Pro or Pro Bowl level
pass catching tight end to throw too. We got you one.
You have Davonte Adams, you have Randall Cobb. We think
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we might have figured out the running back situation. We've
had to rework the defense. Like, look, we heard you.
We understand you do your job. Coaches do their job.
We'll do our job. You're Orleans Saints. When you walk in,
it says in bright letters, do your job, And that's all.
Aaron Rodgers m
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so will we. To be quite honest, all right, let's
get to it. Story of the day is not all
the fisticuffs in Major League Baseball last night or yesterday
afternoon in Colorado, last night in Boston. The story of
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the day is not the NBA Playoffs being set in Minnesota,
squeaking in in overtime over the Denver Nuggets. Truth is,
Timberwolves probably underachieved, laid down against some of the worst
teams in the NBA. It's the only reason they were
the eight seed. There better than that, and I do
think they could be a dangerous out for the Houston Rockets.
That's not the story of the day. The story of
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the day is Colin Kaepernick. And you're like, oh god,
I am so tired of talking about Colin Kaepernick. You
know who else is tired of talking about Colin Kaepernick fans?
They are And I know that because of the story
which broke earlier today, Adam Schefter tried to break Twitter
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his own sort of woad bomb after arranging for Colin Kaepernick.
This is a tweet from Schefter to work out for
the Seahawks this week. Of course, the Seahawks are in
need of a backup quarterback, and even though last year
when they brought Kaepernick in, they summarily dismissed him, saying, hey,
we know he's a starter where he wants to be
a starter, this might not be the right fit. So
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they wanted to work him out see where he was
Seattle again. This is from the tweet postponed the trip
when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem.
Next season, League sources tell ESPN that was the first tweet,
all right. The second tweet on the essentially the same
topic is from Ian Rappaport also covers the NFL. For
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the NFL network instead his tweet. The Seahawks did postpone
tendively scheduled workout with Colin Kaepernick. As Adam Schefter reported,
it was not because he declined to stop kneeling, though,
and by the way, used the correct th h O
in Twitter speak. Though the team asked for his plan
moving forward on how to handle everything, and there was
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no firm plan. Alright, let's start with the ladder and
then work to the former. One of the big issues
with Colin Kaepernick's protest has been there has there has
been no plan, there has been The good works he
has done off the football field was not part of
the plan. He has done an amazing amount of good
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war works. But people's reaction to the words that he
used and the protest I think spiraled out of control
and he was not ready for that last year at
this exact same time. Actually, you go back to a
year and a half ago, at the year and a
half ago when he was out of the league and
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Colin Kaepernick had planned to stop kneeling. That was when
when San Francisco released him, Adam Schafter reported that he
was going to stop kneeling. Alright, So whether or not, Seattle,
you think is the bad guys because they don't want
to have a quarterback kneeling, or they don't even want
to bring him a quarterback who's thinking about steal kneeling,
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or you want to think Kaepernick is wrong because he
has no plan. Here's what you need to know, all right.
If you run a business, you're gonna nod your head
because you know I'm right. And if you don't nod
your head, it's because you either don't operate a business
or you don't operate a successful business. I believe Jalen
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Rose says, give the people what they want a quote
Drill and Rose. But the old business adages the customer
is always right. The customer is always right. Some of
you will ask, and listening to this show, why don't
you talk about hockey? You know why? Because the customer
is always right. There have been enough there, there has
been enough research to tell us that not enough people
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care about hockey, so we won't talk about it. Does
it exist? Sure? Is it a great sport? Nobody's disputing it.
If I go to a hockey game in the playoffs,
I don't know any of the players, I don't really
understand the matchups, but I have a good time, drink
a beer, and you know what dudes are. I mean,
last night I did happen. I was in a bar
having dinner with some friends, and I saw that Pittsburgh
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beat Philadelphia was seven and nothing, and all of a
sudden they started fighting. And all I know about hockey
is generally the playoffs. Seven nothing seems like an ass
whopping and there was a fight, and there's never fights
in the playoffs. That said, that's the most I will
talk about hockey the rest of the day. You know why,
because the customer is always right. Guestmer's always right. You
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may ask yourself why there's Chippotle, there's Kudoba, there's I know,
there's Indian restaurants. Why do there's um whether it's Pie
Not or Blaze, which is Lebron James's pizza place. Why
why do we have so many of these restaurants where
they make it right there, kind of subway style in
front of you and it's done. Whatever happened to old
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school fast food or the old school restaurant sit down style.
People want things fast, but they want to see them
made in front of him because they want to feel
like they pick the ingredients, you know how they came
upon that idea, research what does the customer want? Because
the customer is always right? And and look, Jerry Jones,
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he knows something about football, having played football. He knows
a lot about business, having run a seriously and ridiculously
successful business in Dallas. And all he has tried to
implore is not that the president is right. You may
think this is a Republicans, the Republicans and rich guys
shutting down. This is the man shutting down, shutting down
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the liberal agenda to start a conversation on police abuse
of the citizens. No, it ain't all it is is
the NFL is coming coming off of their biggest ratings
decline in the last twenty five years. The Seattle Seahawks
are coming off of season where they had a fiercely
divided locker room and they need a backup quarterback. They
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don't need a starting quarterback, they need a backup quarterback,
backup quarterback, no drama. And the people, or at least
enough people have spoken out that says, you know, there
are even people that believe in what Colin Kaepernick is protest,
but you know what they don't want. They don't want
it on Sunday when they're watching football, they don't want
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it on Monday when they're watching football. They are so tired.
I'm sure many of you are like, dude, why are
you talking about it? Because it only iterates and reiterates
my point. The customer has spoken, and the customer is right, right,
And like, look why they put Roseanne back on TV?
Go back and watch old Roseanne's and you know Roseanne
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was kind of Family Guy before Family Guy. You know,
they went there. And also, who watches who watches Network TV? Right?
Network TV is watched by old people. It just is like,
why has CBS dominated prime time network TV? Like, man,
that show? That show is old. I'm not really blue.
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My mom watches Blue Bloods. But that's good because old
people are the only ones watching network TV. The rest
of us have moved on to net flicks and Amazon
and we watch sports. And you know, my wife watches
h G TV and she's trying to you know, she
wants to. Everybody wants to have their out own reality
show or rehab houses or rehab houses while having a
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reality show. And the reason you skew your programming to
fit those who are watching it is because the people
have spoken. The customer is always right. So you don't
have to agree with the Seahawks and not wanting to
bring him in. You don't have to agree with Colin
Kaepernick not having a plan. But you have to understand
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that the NFL is simply reacting to enough of their
fans saying I've had it, I don't want it, and
and an NFL front office saying, you know, look, it's
not hiring Colin Kaepernick. Putting on the team. That's easy,
it'll be celebrated. You know. The hard thing is not
playing him on Sunday, discussing it when he's a backup,
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and if you ever have to cut him, that's really hard.
But but the the basic premise, it's not collusion, and this,
by the way, proves it's not clue. It's not NFL
teams getting together. This is one NFL team saying, hey,
do you want to come work out for us? And
what do you decided on on the whole protesting thing.
I don't know. You don't know. It's the most polarizing
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political topic in sports in the last twenty five years.
You don't know. It's not a good enough answer. And
by the way, if the answer is taking a knee.
That's not the correct answer, because we've had enough of
our fans say no thanks. Remember the most there's a
do you know why my TV network, Fox has gone
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after Peyton Manning? You know? I and why fought why
Peyton Manning is in so many TV ads because he
plays in the Midwest. Everybody in the Midwest. First he
played for Midwest to Midwest teams. Kind of I know
that Denver is not in the Midwest, but the Midwest
has kind of always kind of claimed the Broncos as
sort of their z I team. Of course, the Indianapolis
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Colts is in the Midwest. And if you look at
a map red and blue, guess which states are more
red than blue. A matter of fact, they are bright,
bright red the Midwest. It doesn't say that these problems
don't exist. It doesn't say that Colin Kaepernick on some
level hasn't done an incredible job of trying to make
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a change in the world. And doesn't even mean it
that the Seahawks don't want the world to be a
better place. Remember this is Seattle, and and while it's
not San Francisco or maybe Portland, I do believe that
more women shaved and don't shave as opposed to Portland's.
I like Portland. Portland's weird though, right, it's it's it's
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if you've been a point like man Portland. Seattle still
got a little weird to it, not as weird as
Portland's a little weird to it. But remember just as
many Seahawk fans come from outside of urban areas, and
maybe more than in the Seattle metropolis, and they have spoken,
and they have said, look, I love my Hawks, but
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I might not watch or I might not buy season tickets.
And while while you think that is an empty threat,
we said it time and again, it's not for the
starting quarterback. It's for the backup quarterback. Backup quarterback should
be no drama. And if you don't think that, there's
drama when you just say the name Colin Kaepernick, and
it starts to debate in any barbershop, in any restaurant,
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in any home in America. And nobody wants to have
a debate over a backup quarterback, because the customer is
always right. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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If you missed our interview with Ray Allen yesterday, download
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the Doug Gotlap Show podcast iTunes, just gonna Fox Sports
Radio dot com. It's pretty good. Ray also told me
he's gonna sit down and we're gonna do an even
longer form. I do a um at all basketball pod
cast called All Ball. You can get that on the
Herd Podcast radio network. We're gonna sit down with with
him sometime next week. But we I asked Ray um
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Jordan or Lebron. He gave me an answer. I asked
him why it ended so poorly in Boston, and I
had him take me through what he remembers about the
Game six, game tying three point shot to save the
Miami Heats season and put in overtime where they beat
the Spurs and then of course win in Game seven.
He took me through all of that. So Ray all
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enjoined me yesterday again. Download the Doug got Leap Show podcast.
Speaking of podcasts, our next guest has a tremendous one.
If you like me, love football and learning about football
from a guy who played football, and then it's been
a scout in NFL front offices and of course now
is on TV and he has this podcast called Move
the Sticks. It's along with Bucky Brooks, who's a former player,
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also in the front office and now they both worked
for the NFL Networks. Followed Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter at
Moved the Sticks. By the way, DJ, we're in San
Diego today, are you in l A. Do we cross
pass somewhere on the five Freeway? We did. I'm gonna
be honest, I'm not happy about this report that I'm getting. Dug.
I'm a wife long Padre fan. I've been growing up
in San Diego. I mean, you're you're an o Se guy.
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You're you're an Angels fan, right, not a Dodgers fan.
You wouldn't do that. I'm listen, I'm I'm an Angels fan.
We did go to the Dodgers World Series Game one,
and my son has the same birthday as Clayton Kershaw
and he's a left handed pitch so so so I did.
But I mean we still got Mike Trout, Joyo Tani
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and um and it's it's still the Halos. So he's
he's a little bit of both. But what you're mad
because at some point I'm not throwing out the first
I'm not throwing it out tonight. I've just received word
that they were gonna do one of these, like five
guys throughout the first pitch at the same time. Nobody
puts baby in a corner. I'm not throwing I'm not
throwing out the first pitch with like ten dudes. No. Hey, hey,
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there's only one guy that can get to that mount.
You can say you're bringing out five and that's that's
that's so if you're not going to be that guy,
you can't do it. Yeah. So anyway, we're gonna we'll
go to the game, but we're gonna reschedule that still.
Uh look, I I am what I am. I'm not
gonna be a phony. I'm not gonna sit here and
suck up. I love the folks of San Diego. They
should have built the stadium. They would have gotten every
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different event possible and now they don't. But we're gonna
keep it real for the folks in San Diego. All right.
I want to get to h the two l A
quarterbacks Orange County l A quarterback. I want to get
to all that quarterback discussion. First. Let me just kind
of get your reaction as a guy who's been in
the front office, so now I in Rapp Borter works
for the NFL Network, has kind of continued this discussion
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on Kaepernick and why the they have indefinitely postpone poned
his visit to Seattle because they want to know what
his plan was for the protest, what his plan was
moving forward, and he apparently didn't have one. His camp says, well,
it was all about the protest and taking a neil
and taking a knee and nothing else. How, what's your
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reaction this story, Well, the reaction as teams. We're just
talking about this a little bit earlier on on a
different subject, but it's the same answer is that teams
don't want to be surprised. Now we were talking about
it in the context of these draft prospects and what
do you want personality wise? It's it's not about you
know what you want personality wise, It's it's about you know,
knowing what you're getting and and knowing the answers and
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you can prepare to deal with whatever comes with that.
I would say it's it's pretty similar in this situation,
I would think, and not you know, they just want
to know what what is what's your game plan, so
we can then, you know, create our game plan. It's
not necessarily a hey, you you want to Neil, We're
not going to bring in I would think it's more
along the lines and we just want to know if
you can let us know, then we can go forward.
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Um and he's also a backup quarterback to right, Like
it's even that's been the narrative forever. I mean, it's
just if it was you know, if it was a
player that've been playing an elite level this, you know,
we wouldn't be talking about it. Dania Jeremiah joining us
on the Doug Gottlib Show. Okay, so now we're hearing
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all different sorts of rumors about quarterbacks. Let's just start
with the Cleveland Browns because they determined so much with
this NFL draft. They had Tyrod Taylor, so there. I mean, look,
I I've said all along, it makes sense to have
a veteran because John Dorsey can do in Cleveland what
they did in Kansas City last year. Red shirt. Whoever
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your quarterback is, So who are you led to believe
will be the number one pick? Well, who I think
it should be is who I've said all along. And
Sam Donald who you know the latest. When you just
talk to people around the league, you just hear more
and more about Josh Allen being the pick there. And
that's again not coming from inside the Browns organization, but
everybody else around the league that I talked too lately.
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That's been the buzz that's been you know, hey, just
be ready for that. I think that's gonna happen. I
really think that's gonna happen. Um So I would say
right now it's I think it's totally a toss up.
Would would be my answer to that, Doug, I think
it should be Donald. Um. I think Donald is a
double off the wall to stay with the baseball analogy,
whereas I think with Josh Allen you could hit a
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home run which could strike out. What about Rosen and
uh so much of what we've heard now, um is
one thing that I don't here discussed a lot that
I've talked to NFL people about is the durability issue.
And a lot of people talked about the personality, but
for NFL people, there's also an issue about with with durability.
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How real is that issue? Well, that's the thing that
comes up when I talked to teams it's not. It's
not the other stuff. I mean, that's the stuff that
gets focused on in the media. But um, when you
talk to teams, the durability is the major concern. And
I'll be quite honest with you, if if he had
been durable and hadn't missed any time at U c
l A, I'd have him as the top quarterback in
the entire draft. So that to me was my major
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hang up there with Josh. Yeah, but that's a hang up.
What about Donald's the elongated release of Donald and some
of the turnovers. How do you balance out his negative
with with with Rosen's negative. Well, to me, when you
look at Donald's negative, okay, along, elongat doesn't really bother
me because I see how quick and how explosive he
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is with it, So I don't think it's as big
of an issue. But when I when I look at
the turnovers, the fumbles are the thing that you worry about.
I don't worry about the interceptions. They mostly took place
early in the season, um, and you can I can
point several of them that weren't even on him. But
the fumbels in the pocket is a legit that's legit issue.
I just when I watched these guys all back to back,
and you watch how fast Sam Donald processes and how
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quickly he moves and sees things and reacts, I thought
he was on another level. Um, I'm trying to figure
out what the Giants are going to do. Uh, you
have a guy who in Dave Gentleman, who um coming
from Carolina where they went to the Super Bowl with
a running game and when the defense that got after you,
right and in talented defensive backs. It's a guy who
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when he was successful previously again in Carolina, they jettisoned
their star wide receivers d Smith, but he was longer
in the tooth later on his career. Give me your
sense for what the Giants maybe should do well. I
mean I sit there and look at it and say,
you've got a thirty seven year old quarterback who has
not played at a consistently high level for going on
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what five six years now, where he's been up and
down and the turnovers have been an issue. I don't
know when you're ever gonna be picking up there again.
So I view there's a gap between the second third quarterbacks.
For me, it's it's Rosen and Uh or Donald first,
then Rosen, then a little bit of a gap before
you get to three and four with Mayfield and Allen.
So it was me and you're in a team picking second,
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and you think you've got a franchise quarterback there at
number two. You know, look, I think Chubb in in
Barkley or higher graded prospects, but I think you owe
it to your organization to take the quarterbacks. And then
you have the Jets, who, of course that they move up,
but they don't move up into prime position. They still
are beholden to other teams to make that decision before
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they get their choice. Um, what are your thoughts in
the Jets position. Well, it's still one of those things
when you talk to people around the league, they're still
kind of just struck by how bizarre that was to
do that at that point in time, so early in
the process. Um, to not know, you know, so many
variables in place, who's going to be there? So it
was a very unusual trade. But obviously they feel comfortable
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with three different quarterbacks and uh, you know, we'll kind
of find out who those are. I assume that that
that Sam Donald is one of them. It's trying to
figure out who the other two would be, Um, you know,
I look at him in Baker Mayfield's name. You keep
hearing associated with him more and more, and I think
that's kind of the opposite theory, right, He's basically the
polar opposite of Hackenburg, who you you took a big
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swing and miss on there. He's he's a polar opposite
in terms of what he's He's he's much more accurate. Uh,
he's much more mobile, but he's smaller, he's more athletic,
he's more accurate, he's a such pastor. He doesn't have
the huge arm that Hackenburg has. He's got he's kind
of more more personality. Like, he's literally almost the opposite
just every way Hackenburg was wasn't winning enough games that
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pends date. Baker Mayfield was learning a bunch of games
in Oklahoma, you know, on and on and on and on. Yeah,
doesn't that have a big possibility of I just my
fear with Baker Mayfield is that it's not all horse
no cattle. But like, look, tell me the last big
twelve quarterback to really do it. Now. Granted he went
in and lit up Ohio State, but um, it's an
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offense that that produced Johnny Menzel produced case Keenum right
and didn't produce Russell Wilson. And there are times to
which they're just a limited. Yes, you have to have
some of the intangibles. He has super high football i Q.
And he's got that kind of cock of the walk
chip on his shoulder thing that works for him. But
he is small. He isn't as athletic as Russell Wilson.
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He doesn't have the arm of Russell Wilson. And people
want him to be the next Russell Wilson because they
they don't want to miss on the next Russell Wilson.
I just I feel like we're creating this narrative to
which his talent won't necessarily live up to. Yeah. I mean,
for me, my comparison has actually been Jeff Garcon You
you know, that's who he kind of reminds me of. Yeah,
that's just you look, somebody has you know, we're gonna operates.
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He's quick, he's not explosive, and I mean that in
terms of as an athlete and as a as a thrower.
I think he's got a good arm. He doesn't have
a huge arm. It's good enough. Um, But to me,
it's got to be a quick rhythm throwing offense to
part you know, it's somewhat similar. You're not gonna be
able to duplicate what they did at Oklahoma, but he's
limited in terms of what what he can function in,
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and that to me is why there's the cut off
between those top two guys, who I think you can
put them in just about any type of offense. They
can function and be successful. I think it's got to
be very, very very uh very specific with what you're
gonna ask Baker Mayfield to do. Dana Jeremiah NFL Network
joining us Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. DJ has
an incredible podcast, Move the Sticks. It's also on TV.
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He's on TV on the NFL Network along with Bucky Brooks.
You should follow him on Twitter at Move the Move
the Sticks. Best guess of what's going on in New
England to first now two seconds and a third, A
lot of holes to fill. Um went out and got
Cordarold Patterson as a return guy. Um, you know you
filled a whole at wide receiver as well. What do
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you think they're doing there with all those picks? That's
the opposite of what they did last year? Well, I
know in New England. I wouldn't be surprised if at
the end of the day, like they ended up with
no first round picks, they trade back both of those
picks and end up, you know, with seven picks in
the second round. I mean, that's that'd be like a
New England type thing to do, and they end up
with somehow having a first round pick an extra first
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round pick in next year's draft. I mean, that's kind
of the way they've operated. We've talked and kicked around
the idea of maybe them trading up for a quarterback.
That's just that's not really in their d n A.
So uh so many different holes to fill. I think
you've gotta come out of this draft with the with
the linebacker. You've got to come out of this draft
with the tackle. You've got to hopefully come out of
this draft with with somebody you can throw in the
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quarterback position that gives you hope they could be the
successor down the line. And I think the way they
do that is more second third round than what they
would do in the first round. Yeah, and see them
moving up those with those two picks to get Roquan
Smith is number one raded middle linebacker. He's great, but
I just that does not seem like a patriot short
of thing to do. That would be. Yeah, I don't,
I don't. I don't see it see it either. Alright, anyway, Uh,
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next time we'll high five on the five when we
crossed pass. But I really appreciate you join us. Thanks, buddy,
go get us the win today. All right. I mean, listen,
I'm available. I'm available out of the pen. I've been
throwing mostly to fourth and fifth graders, um, but you know, listen, um,
there was some fourth There was a fourth and fifth
grade fight going on yesterday in Colorado. So maybe maybe
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that's maybe that's why they're bringing me in, to bring
me out of the pen. Danner Jeremiah, former NFL scout,
NFL Network analyst, joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Alright, with
the teams are set, the tanking has been completed. We'll
see how successful Tanka Bloosa two thousand eighteen was. But
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the NBA regular season is over. Sam Aimick from USA
Today covers the league kind enough to join US. Um,
why do you think it wasn't it felt like it
wasn't made to be that big a deal and it
was assist a league wide issue, all these teams tanking.
Why wasn't it made it to be a bigger deal nationally?
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Good question, I think, And I don't know. Maybe it's
because Doug the you know, the rules are obviously changing
this uh, this non this June the following June when
it comes to the draft, and I kept using the
parallel or the analogy of the people of it. It's
like happy hour at the bar, and all these teams
are trying to get their orders in before seven pm
rolls around and trying to up their odds of I'm
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getting in on this particular draft. But you know, it's
also interesting to have you have to reconcile the tanking
teams with the Sixers Cinderella story in which they've taken off.
So you know, maybe that's another subset of it, right,
Like you know, we're seeing some of the stuff pay off,
and things like Dallas and a lot of others like
him in Chicago all the way down the line, or
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are trying to go down that road, right, I mean,
it's worked for Philadelphia, but people have missed on it's
worked for Milwaukee tank. Minnesota tanked, right, they're like and
outside of basketball, the Houston Astros tanked, people are copying
it because you know it's worked. It's better to be
really really bad than to be competitive and just and
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just and just. Okay, Um, the New York Knicks have
been They're just They're just stuck here right now. They
do have Perzingias coming back off of injury, so there
is some hope. They fired Jeff Hornes sec today. Um,
what's your thoughts on how they I mean, everybody wants
to look at the guys, the Larry Brown's, the Hub Browns,
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the Rick Pettino's. I mean, you named Phil Jackson come
back to be president. They've all tried to get the
Knicks back, but they've all and pat Riley came the
closest but still couldn't do it. What direction do they go?
We'll see. I think that the guiding force here, Doug
that you know, if anybody is not familiar at all
with goot Terry their GM, you know, I think learning
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a little bit about his background and kind of what
he's trying to do is is what you start with, um,
because I do think Jim Dolan is letting him figure
out what he wants to do. You know, Scott had
a good little run in Sacramento after years at in Orlando,
comes from Oklahoma City before that, and even Seattle to
a degree from the Sam Presty Tree and and Scott.
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You know, I wasn't shocked at all when I saw
the decision to fire Jeff because I did think that
Sccott going in wanted to hire his own guy. And
you know, right out of the gate, you're hearing names
like David Fizzel, obviously from Memphis and previously Miami heat assistant,
you know, beloved by Lebron James and d Wade and
all those guys. Definitely a hot name right now. David Blatt,
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which is a little unexpected considering the way he ended
in Cleveland, but I do think that's going to be
in the running. Mark Jackson is is, you know, kind
of the go to obvious name that I think is
legit as well, So I we'll see. I think Scott
with that front office, Steve Mills still part of it,
They're gonna figure out you know, to me, it's who's
the best developmental guy they've got, you know, young guys
that have got to get better right now. And we
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are seeing in terms of trends and you mentioned tanking
and Philly and takeaways and lessons that need to be applied.
Here is that, you know, the good old fashioned prospect
of developing guys that are not lottery picks and getting
the most out of the guys you have in house
through coaching and through your system and through your training
is huge and they got to hit the right mark
with this coaching higher sam Ammy joining us on the
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Doug Gotlip Show, what's the most interesting first round series? Probably?
And I'm admittedly I end up being a little having
a West Coast bias because I'm out here, um, but
Oklahoma City, Utah is probably one I would pick. It's
not sexy in terms of having it's essentially two small
market teams, and I almost lament the fact that mainstream
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America probably won't pay too much attention. But it could
be really, really good. And I love the contract because
you have star power for the thunder raining envy p
Russell Westbrook with his you know two new all star
Buddies and Paul George and Carmelo Anthony, a lot of
pressure and Paul's free agency coming quickly in July, and
they really need to make noise in the playoffs, and
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it is a it's a tough ask for them to
get over on this Jazz team that is arguably the
best in the NBA for the last three months other
than Houston, and the way they defend with Rudy Gobert
in the middle and Donovan Mitchell doing what he's been
doing as a rookie has been incredible. And the contrast
that I think is going to make for potentially good
theater is that, again, you've got all this experience on
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the Okay seaside and all this pressure, and then you
have all this inexperience and really not I think, not
very much pressure at all for Utah. They have already,
you know, just knocked it out of the park. And um,
you know, can Donovan play on this stage, you know,
in the playoffs, but that's by light. Can Rudy be
that dominant? I think, you know, just kind of waiting
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and seeing which way that goes is gonna be fun.
Um Russell Westbrook average of trouble double a second straight year,
but people's reaction far different this year. What's what are
people and what are people in the NBA say about
how Russell has played this season with this crew. It's
tough to get a beat on it because it's always
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like two conversations. It's it's amazement and and there's nothing
but respect when it comes to what he does individually
and the impact. You just you can't like that conversation
is a full stop right there. Averaging a triple double
is still incredible. It's never been done twice by the
same guy, and so it's incredible to me that full
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disclosure Doug yesterday, to give you a quick example, it
snuck up on me. I didn't even realize he needed
sixteen rebounds, and then you know, my office called me
and said, hey, we probably could use a story if
you wouldn't mind. I mean, I had very little time
to put something together and we were a little bit
kind of late reacting to it because it was under
the radar um. But the team concept and the team
discussion is a lot more nuanced and probably a lot
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more negative because they have underperformed. They have the They
ended up winning one more game this season than they
did last year when they didn't have Paul George Anthony.
So how do you not have some of that, if
not a lot of it fall at Russell's feet. Even
with those incredible numbers, you know, the questions are, why
couldn't they defended a higher level, Why couldn't they score
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at a higher level? You know why it was mellow
not more successful? And the point guard a lot like
the head coach, is going to be analyzed, and I
think fairly when it comes to just a team not
playing up to their potential and then the Thunder haven't
done that this year. Sam Ammy Jinnys from USA Today
covers the NBH Doug Gallant Show, Fox Sports Radio. Well,
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most I think most people think, all right, James Harden's
team finished with the best record, James Harden had a
great season. James Harden becomes your kind of de facto
m v P. I could make the argument that it
should be Lebron James Um. He did play ten more games,
so it hurts his averages a little bit, but he
also kind of seemed to turn around this season. That
was that was falling apart. Some of it was his
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own doing, some of it was was not his doing.
They still won fifty games. If you want to go
true value, Um, could you the second straight year average
you can triple double, something we hadn't seen since Oscar Robertson.
That's Russell Westbrook. I don't think it'd be Kevin Kevin Durant,
but he still scored a high level and it could
be Defensive Player of the Year. Um, I look at
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m v P and say, it's the guy who had
the best year on the best team, not the most valuable.
That's that's too hard a conversation for voters to really
get into. Is it James Harden? Without any question? It
is for me? Yeah, I mean with one the only
qualifier for me would be that I was riveted in
the final few weeks and and almost the entire month
when Lebron was playing at an incredible level and it
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was fun to watch. And but what made it fun
obviously is the context and the fact that not only
was he doing what he was doing, not only did
they kind of come out of nowhere to finish really
strong after having such a hard time, and you know,
Isaiah Thomas getting traded, all that stuff that went down,
But it's everything you already know, Doug, it's fifteenth year,
it's thirty three years old, it's leading the league in minutes.
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It's you know, conversations about MJ and how he never
did this fifteen seasons in even he can't say that.
So super compelling stuff. But when you bring it all
back to the m v P debate, In the m
v P discussion, what settles it for me is that,
for one, you're talking about James Harden and what he's
done being from beginning to end. And also his narrative
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is not too bad because I hear a lot of
people talk about how well Lebron James would have loved
to have had somebody like Chris Paul. Well, guess what
Christmas twenty five games, and they kept winning when Chris
was now James led the way. Opening night I think
set the perfect tone. They beat the Warriors on a
night when Chris hurts his knee at Oracle Arena and
James has a really good night, and they sent an
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early message that they were for real, so that the
consistency all the way through for me, gets it done.
The fact that they were in the end fourteen games
better than the Calves gets it done. Uh And then
in terms of Lebron, for me, I'm just a major
knock that has been consistent the last couple of years.
Is again you talk about culpability that Cavs defense twenty
nine in the NBA. I mean, that's just inexcusable. If
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that was hard in the defense and his Rockets were
at that kind of a place, I'd be saying the
same thing. So I think that doesn't help Lebron case
all right, help me out. Vegas still believes the Warriors
are the favorites right there there. I think seven to
five favorites to win an NBA championship to the Rockets
are eight to five favorites. And I point out that
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I think one thing that's missed that they did was
when Steph got hurt, they didn't just get Quinn call
Quinn cook up. They moved him to being the starting
point guard right like he's paying thirty five forty minutes,
so that they wouldn't have to play Sean Livingston, they
wouldn't have to play Andrea Goodala huge minutes. They kept
them in their standard roles and simply elevated a you know,
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a G League point guard uh to a level that
though he performed well. The team didn't play all that well. Um,
what's your level of confidence that the Warriors when, if
will they be fully constitutent? If so, are they still
the favorite? I don't feel like they're the favorites, you know,
And as you know, I'm based in northern California and
around them all the time, and in terms of the
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stuff that's tough to quantify. The vibe, the mojo, the feeling,
it's not a good one around them. Lately. They lose
ten out of seventeen games. A couple of times now,
Steve Kerr has said one thing and his analysis and
Kevin Durant has pushed back and said another. Um, you're
kind of alluding to something though that I think could
be really interesting, you know. Do they have some sort
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of grand plan here that we are missing in which
Sean Livingston feels fresh and ready to roll despite some
of his injuries, and some of the other vets are
able to bridge this gap that we've seen between them
and whoever they're playing the past couple of weeks. Maybe
because the Quinn Cook thing to me has been as
much as I respect the heck out of his story,
what he's done it's been a little deceiving because he's
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been having good individual numbers, but Clay Thompson's, you know,
just not getting the same looks, not having the same production.
Kevin Durand is still putting on huge numbers, but they're
not winning. Draymond is not scoring very much or being
the playmaker that he once was. I just haven't seen
the dominant Golden State Warriors in quite some time, so
it's hard for me to say they're the favorites. With Houston,
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They've been dominant for a long time. That Luke maba
mute injury is a big deal, and I actually think
that opens the door up a little bit to kind
of help the Warriors bridge that gap. But I think
it's Houston and the Golden State is going to be
super fascinating and interesting because there's a lot of mystery there.
We don't know what they're gonna be. Sam Ammick does
a great job covering the NBA. Read his work online
(36:39):
or in print with the USA Today, or follow him
on Twitter as well. Sam will catch up after we
get somewhere here through this first round. I can't wait
to hear your feedback on all of these different series.
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want to get to something that Bob McNair said last season,
to which he first apologized for and then last week
backpedaled on that apology. And what am I apologizing for?
It's a business expression. The inmates don't run the asylum.
Aaron Rodgers essentially said as much. Right he did, He
(37:23):
said as much. Take a listen to what Aaron Rodgers
on a station called The Hog in Wisconsin Draft night.
Where are you gonna be? I don't know. I couldn't
even tell you when the draft is. You're not gonna
be perched on Mike McCarthy's right shoulder helping him or
telling him who you need on your side of the
ball this year. I think it's pretty clear that players
play and UH coaches, coach and personnel people make their decision.
(37:45):
That's the way they want. That's the way they wanted
us versus them. That's the way they wanted. He didn't
say that's the way we want it. And Aaron is incredible.
If you ever spend time around to Aaron Rodger is
he's incredibly bright, and he does he makes the mistake
that smart people do of parsing every word and understanding
(38:08):
what he says. He's going to get a reaction. He
he knows it. Look, Aaron Rodgers clearly don't wanted Jordy
Nelson to be elsewhere. Well, when you cut Jordy because
he couldn't redo his contract, but you never talked about
redoing a contract, Why would you? Why would you do that? Remember,
there is a new regime in Green Bay, a new
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general manager. They bumped a young guy app and they moved.
They kicked Ted Thompson upstairs and took away most of
his power. They did it because they were tired of
getting criticized, whether internally from Aaron Rodgers and from Mike
McCarthy over not thinking outside the box, not going and
getting free agents or externally for some of those same
(38:53):
ill fated moves. They've been successful to a point, but
mostly on the arm and legs of Aaron Rodgers. And
so the reaction was to hire somebody and let him
do his job. Now there are many people and for example,
Collin Coward, colleague of ours and Fox Sports Trader. He
thinks that this is a negative. Aaron's mad. Aaron should
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be like he should be like Lebron James and be
given us say, by the way, though they give Lebron
James the heads up, most of the things that have
been done this year have not been done because because
Lebron wanted them done. Look at the successful franchises in
the history of the NBA and you and look at
the successful franchise in the history of the National Football League.
(39:36):
Look at the successful franchise in the history of Major
League Baseball, and you tell me where the where the
success is in players making the call. Michael Jordan's was
first that they went out and got They went out
and and and got rid, got rid of Charles Oakley.
(40:02):
Charles Oakley was his protection. Charles Oakley was his guy.
Charles ogle was basically his goon that could start alongside him.
That when Jordan felt like he was getting bludgeoned by
the Pistons and by the Celtics, when he tore the Knicks,
when he drive to the lane, that was his guy
to have his back. He was his hatchet man. He
(40:22):
loved Charles Oakley. Charles Oakley is super seriously and incredibly loyal,
and the Bulls got rid of him. Brought in medical
Bill Cartwright. That was Bill Cartwright's nickname, Medical Bill Cartwright,
because he could never stay healthy. Do you remember what
happened after they traded for medical Bill cart Right. They
want to be a championship They did not solely because
(40:44):
of Bill cart Right, but Bill car Right had this
super funky elbows out, really high release shot, but he
could actually make a fifteen footer. He was a better
center for the triangle offense. And he was better in
the locker room than Charles Oakley was, even though Oakley
was super super close with Michael Jordan. Jordan didn't like
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the Scottie Pippen trade when it was first made. Plenty
of moves that were made that Jordan didn't like. But
you know what they did. They put a team around
him that gave him the best opportunity to be his
best version of himself. The San Antonio Spurs. They haven't
asked him Duncan, who he'd want to bring in? Even
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the Miami Heat. They didn't go out and acquire players.
Remember the story from earlier this week and pat Riley's
book is that Lebron James came in and asked pat
Riley if he had the itch to coach again, because
Lebron James was testing to see if they wanted to
get rid of Erik Spoelstra. LaMarcus Altridge wanted a trade
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from San Antonio last year. Remember that didn't go his
first year there didn't go so well. He wanted out.
Pop said no. Now, they were arguably the third or
third or fourth best team in the Western Conference without
Kauai Leonard most of this year. So you can tell me,
hey man, Lebron. By the way, if Lebron James is
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making decisions because he's the man behind the curtain with
Tristan Thompson and j R. Smith dud they're in cap hell.
He can't stay in Cleveland because they can't make it
work financially to go make any moves if this doesn't work.
So the idea of players play, coaches, coach and owners
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own front office guys. They do whatever they do. That's
the reality of That's what Bob mcdaris said. The inmates
can't run the asylum. You can't run the prison. You
just can't. It's so different than have you ever been
to the New Orleans Saints facility. When you walk in
to their practice field, you look up and there's a
(42:56):
huge sign. You know. That huge sign says when as
I says, it says do your job. So it says
the Patriots. That's and by the way, that comes from
the Patriots, and it's the same expression the Spurs have used.
Do your job. And that's all Aaron Rodgers saying. Look,
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is he cynical about it? Is he snickering about it?
Is he ticked about it because they got rid of
his guy? Sure does he worry that Jimmy Graham? Ain't
that Jimmy Graham of old? Okay? But you know what,
you've always wanted an all Pro or Pro Bowl level
pass catching tight end to throw too. We got you one.
You have Davonte Adams, you have Randall Cobb. We think
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we might have figured out the running back situation. We've
had to rework the defense. Like, look, we heard you.
We understand you do your job. Coaches do their job.
We'll do our job. You're Orleans Saints. When you walk in,
it says in bright letters, do your job, And that's all.
Aaron Rodgers m
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