April 26, 2018 • 46 mins
Doug dives in on the NFL draft and tells you why drafting Baker Mayfield #1 overall won't work out well for the Browns. He thinks the Giants have to take Sam Darnold at #2 if he's still available. NBA Champion Caron Butler joins the show to give his thoughts on LeBron James' game winning shot and if he can carry the Cavaliers through the Eastern Conference.
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This is the best of the Doug Gottlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio, Boom of America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
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Draft Day two thousand eighteen is here. We got day Baseball.
We'll keep you update on that. Yes day baseball still exists.
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It's a lot like pay phones. It still exists, and
yet you don't normally need it, although occasionally you're intrigued
by it. Plus, we gotta recap an incredible night by
Lebron James h coaching malpractice by the Indiana Pacers, Nick McMillan,
and the Oklahoma City Thunder staving off disaster, absolute abject disaster.
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A lot of hoops to get to. But let's start
with football because, uh, Josh Allen apparently tweeted out some
racially insensitive stuff like six years ago is the right
six years ago? So here is what I want from
you on Twitter. If you're joining us in the Doug
Gottlip Show when you were in high school, if you
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were tweeting back when you're in high school, I know
Twitter didn't exist when many of you were in high school.
If you were tweeting, what would you be tweeting about.
It's like one of those things like I would I
don't know how uh how race stuff? Why you would
ever tweet about race stuff? Nor do I ever have
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I ever thought that way in my life. And but
I also don't know the context to how much you're
joking and how much we we what we take seriously.
There's just no context to me that in context is
in fact everything that said that said, I'm only interested
in this if you were tweeting when you were in
high school, what would you have been tweeting about? Because
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I'll be honest, it's a huge Snoop dog fan high school? Right? Uh?
Was it? Doggie Style? Was was his album that was released?
I'm gonna say that was my senior year in high school.
Course to Chronic was like nine two or ninety three.
Those are my two favorite albums of my high school era.
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So there's a pretty good chance that some of the
lyrics that are in those songs I would have been
tweeting about because when I was in high school, I
probably didn't think that would be one of the first
picks of the NFL draft, nor would I have had
the wherewithal to understand. Again, none of this makes with
Josh Allen tweeted, Okay, but there is the realization to
which when I was in high school I did a
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lot of stupid stuff. I do a lot of stupid
stuff now, but not necessarily to that level. I would
have been tweeting about Dr Dre and about Snoop Dogg
when I was in high school. Who what it would
you have been tweeting about. I'm just I'm just thinking
about I had a high school girlfriend. I had a
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car that I got my senior year. I do think
there are some things things that I would have kind
of clean up when I signed into college. There are
a lot of different stuff, a lot of stuff. I'll
get to Lebron in a second, man, Lebron. Lebron has
become too indie what Jordan was to Cleveland. How about
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that one. You gotta remember Jordan and Cleveland and all
the different heroics. Lebron has become too indie what Jordan
has become to Cleveland. Doug ot Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
It appears that Josh Allen is falling and Baker Mayfield
is gonna be your number one overall pick. And this
has all the workings of a mistake mistake, not because
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Baker Mayfield won't work. But everything is about likelihood. Everything
is about in sports. The reason we keep averages, the
reason that analytics have become important is likelihood. I was
explained on base percentage to my son yesterday. My son,
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he's had He's a really good little baseball player, gone
through a little bit of a slump. You know, this
is not just kid pitch, but he got eleven year
olds and sometimes ten year olds, and he just turned
nine and this is the first time he's facing There
is a picture in Newport Beach a kid who's really good.
He's ambidextrous, right and left handed, pitched both right and
left handed last night and he's throwing fire. And we
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faced him Monday night and one buzz buzz the tower,
and then the next pitch came right down the middle,
and he was so scared of his tower getting buzz
that he didn't swing right down the middle. Right freaked
him out, and so we talked through it. I got
a buddy who does sports psychology, who's an assistant coach
in Israel. We did FaceTime with him. He did a
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grounding technique. He he was good, he was solid. He
actually walked twice last night, but still you're you're working
through things. But I was explaining he were watching a
video that I saw on Facebook of Ted Williams talking
about hitting, And here's Ted Williams from sixty years ago
talking about hitting and those his same approach even works now,
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you know, being quick, being short, being through the ball,
keeping your weight in the same. Have we changed, you know,
the swing plane a little bit, but a lot of
the ideas of hitting have remained the same. If you
can't learn something from Ted Williams, you can't. He's arguably
the greatest hitter in the history of baseball, right, last
guy to hit four hundred, And I was explaining to
him what four hundred men? And what on base percentage ment?
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And the only thing that we've used on base percentages. Look,
the more times you get on base, the more times
to score. Right, That's why O b P matters. It
changes every the more times the guys are on base,
the more pressure puts on a picture pictures, numbers usually
go down. Fielders usually don't feel it as a higher percentage,
and you score more runs the goal And this is
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you know the basics of how analytics have changed baseball
is who gets on base the most. It's all the matters,
and who gets on base emos scores a higher percentage
of time. How much you get on base. That's about
percentage of time is how much you score percentage of time.
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The likehood of scoring increases every time you get on base,
and the likelihood of of winning increases every time you
score earlier in the game. All these things are based
upon likehood of success. The same thing could be said
for your completion percentage. And it's hard. It's hard to
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correlate the type of passing game that some guys havewards
dink dunk dnk dunk with downfield passing, but generally below
in college. You don't get higher in the pros. Not
all that's true. Matt Ryan, of course, bad percentage of
senior year. But but he's a He's incredibly accurate as
a pro. It's all about likelihood of success, its know. Look,
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the Baker Mayfield story is incredible. Here's not a one,
but a two time walk on a kid who was
a three time Highsman Trophy finalist, a kid who's a
little bit over six ft tall. Uh, he got a
ton of moxy. He got huge lower intestinal fortitude. He
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won a Higsman Trophy. Hell he didn't. How about this one?
He didn't lose a true road game while being the
starting quarterback in Oklahoma. And oh yeah, by the way,
if he gets trapped to the Cleveland Browns, he'll be
a backup. And here's a kid who has the makeup
to earn a starting spot. How do I know that
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he did it a Texas tech? He did at you?
So why God Lieby? If you love the story, do
you not like Baker Mayfield to the Cleveland Browns? What's
the percentage of times of six ft quarterback makes in
the league? What's percentage of time a guy who runs
an offense that frankly is just better in college than
any other offense. I'm a big twelve guy. I don't
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necessarily like to fall into these big twelve quarterbacks don't
play well in the pros. But what super said, who's
the most successful big twelve quarterback in the Nation Football League?
Is it Sam Bradford? And if Sam Bradford is your
success story, and I love Sam Bradford, but who But
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here's the big one. Everything has to be perfect for
Baker to be Baker. And I know you're saying, oh, no,
that's not true. He runs around back there. That's what
I mean. When Baker Mayfield was at Texas Tech as
a freshman and he was starting, remember that was an
incredibly explosive offense. Whether he was the quarterback or Davis
Webb was the quarterback, there was no drop off between
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the two. None. Right when he was successful in Oklahoma,
they got better players, They got a better offense than everybody.
They say East they just did, with the exception of
Clemson in the National semifinals last year or Georgia in
the National semifinals this year. And there were times to
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which you start to realize there's a limit to Baker's magic.
There just is. And tell me the time when the
Cleveland Browns had better overall personnel than the team they
played against. Tell me the time now they've they've traded
for Jarvis Landry, who was a talented wide receiver, but
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they lost their Hall of Fame less left tackle. They
got to continue to rebuild their line. They gotta get
better skill position players. They're at a talent deficit, and
you want a kid who's always worked at a talent
advantage to come in when his offense was better. Additionally,
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he's gonna have two head coaches in his first two years.
I think everybody knows this, don't we. John Dorsey did
not hire that head coach Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson didn't
even have final saying who his quarterback is gonna be.
And Hugh Jackson is a quarterback guru. Of course Cleveland
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would go off board and pick a guy who no
one else has ranked the number one quarterback on the
board because they're Cleveland. Because nothing ever goes perfect or
according to plan in Cleveland, and that lessens the likelihood
of it being successful. So I'm fascinated to see if
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it works. I'm not rooting against him, but I'm telling you,
the likehood of success is not great. It might not
even be good. Oh yeah, by the way, you got
Tyrod Taylor, who he thinks he's a starter, he thinks
he's a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, and oh yeah, by
the way, he did lead a team to the playoffs
last year. Good luck getting him to share time in
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that film room, to share snaps in in training camp.
He ain't Josh McCown. He ain't all in on the
rookie ending up taking his job. That ain't who he is.
By the way, here was Scott mcclewin, who was on
the show. This has been referenced in Cleveland a bunch
of times. Here's Scott mccleuin, former Redskins general manager, close
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friend of John Dorsey, who's the general manager of the
Cleveland Browns in October on this very show. You gotta
pick one quarterback to lead your franchise, Scott, who's gonna be?
Baker Mayfield? Really kind of up and down again. He
wasn't great against Texas like he was great against Ohio State,
wasn't great this last week. What about Baker Mayfield? Do
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you like? He reminds me of a shorter version of
Brett Farv. Yeah, that kind of arm. Oh yeah, you
can throw it. He's very confident and he's not afraid whatsoever.
He's a battler. But there's a there's Bett Farve is
a loaded thing. Now. Part of the Brett Farve problem is,
do you think of Brett Farve and you think of
the crotch picks, you think of Brett Farve and you
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think of gun Slinger. I love Brett Farve. Uh Top
five all time favorite player, Top five all time favorite
interview to have. I'm not sure that Brett Farve works
as well in two thousand eighteen as he did back
in the nineties. Brett Farve was a high risk, high
reward quarterback. And oh yeah, by the way, Brett, you know,
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Brett Farve was kind of a simpleton in an ever expanding,
ever intellectual sport like the National Football League. But go
back and look Brett Farve. I believe all time and
interceptions leader as well in the National Football League, that
that thing done play. So if you want to compare
to Brett Farve, ego, the bravado, the the the risk taking,
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the he's not as big, he's not as strong, he's
not as athletic as the guys that people compare him to,
and he's not going to the Green Bay packisn't remember
when Brett Farve hit with the Green Bay Packers. Who
was on the staff, not just Gruden, Andy Reid and
a whole bunch of other guys who coached down the
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National Football League. Baker Mayfield's going to Hugh Jackson, who's
dead man walking, who's got to play Tyrod Taylor and
the staff that's not going to be around and a
general manager who's been in town all of six months.
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Miller's must follow today and you don't follow, unfollow him
tomorrow like unfollowed, unfollowed. All Right, what did you just
tweet about? Josh Allen? Man, It's good to talk to
you again. And I just tweeted that I was talking
to someone connected to the New York Jets and the coaches.
They are making a big, big push. Jeremy Bates, defensive coordinator,
apparently loves Josh Allen, wants to work with him. Because
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I'm not saying he's gonna be the pick, because Mike
mcagnet has to the GM has to make that decision.
But there are definitely some coaches out of Foreign Park
who would love to see Josh Allen there next year. Okay,
so there's a couple of things. First of all, um,
what was your senior year in high school? Oh? One? Okay,
two thousand one? Matt Miller in Joplin, where was it? Yeah?
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I mean Liberal, Missouri, tiny town. I know, I know
where Liberal Missouri is and I know um okay, So
Josh Allen of course got raked over the coals uh
this morning for some tweets that apparently were deleted a
couple of months ago. They were tweets from back when
he was in high school. I would, I do not
ever approve of racially insensitive tweets. I also don't know
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the context of those tweets or whatever, But I just
ask you, Matt Miller in two thousand one, if you
were rolling with your boys in Liberal Missouri, what would
you have been tweeting about? Oh? It would I wouldn't
have a job today if they come out. I mean
it would have been you know, not to make excuses.
I mean, I grew up in a small town in
the middle of the country where I wasn't exposed to
other racist and other people. So I'm sure it would
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have been insensitive. It would have been stupid. It probably
would have been some dumb movie quotes like like what
like oh one, what was your jam? And oh one?
I don't even remember. It's been so long ago, I
do I remember rolling. I'm gonna roll and listen to
the chronic. When I was in high school, my sophomore
year came out. I remember listening to Snoop Dogg his
new album My senior year. Don't tell me you don't
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remember your senior year, jam, I think I think was
pretty big. Yeah, from a little little you know, so
there might have there might have been. There might have
been something about if the if the blank ain't right right,
if the blake is right, you can do it every night, right,
something like that, and that's that's every day correct. You've
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been trying to holler it. You would try being trying
to holler Rihanna or whoever the Rihanna was of two
thousand one, Matt Miller joining us UM. I don't think
the Mayfield thing will work if he goes to Cleveland.
I just I just I like I I like Baker.
I love the Baker story. And everybody tells me Baker
super high football like you and guys of playing for Baker.
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He's not Manzel, but there's just a lot of checks
that go, like, man he's small man that offense always
tears up colleges, and their quarterbacks are so so in
the pros, and he's a big twelve guy, so you
can't really take those numbers seriously, and he's in Oklahoma
where they have better players than everybody except for you know,
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Clemson and Georgia and how that how that worked out.
If Cleveland takes him number one, what will your honest
reaction be, It'll be surprised, because mostly because of the
way that he's risen over the last year. I remember
meeting with scouts over the summer and they were like, yeah,
he's like a round four kids, maybe around five, small
spread offense, off field problems, not very athletic. I remember
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one director of player personnel tell me what I brought
up Baker. This is in the season, and he was like,
many short, fat, why do we want to draft him?
And it's and it's amazing how much that need a
quarterback has changed. And I think your credit to Baker too,
that he's been able to really drive his stock up
with his play. But I don't know if I believe
that Baker to Cleveland stuff. And I've heard it today.
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I mean I heard it yesterday at Ton as well.
I put Sam Donald to Cleveland and my mock draft,
and I'm I guess I'm gonna stand by it. Um,
I don't know if I feel comfortable enough to put
money on it, and I believe that the line has
swung wildly today to Baker Mayfield is the favorite. But
it's gonna be fun tonight. I've never covered a draft
where I didn't know who the first pick was gonna be,
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but this is this is the first for me. Matt
Miller joining us from Bleacher Report at NFL Draft Scout
is his Twitter handle, so he that's like, that's like
when your name is dr you've ever been able to
resuscitate somebody if they're laying there not breathing. He joins
us in the Doug Gotlip Show on his personal Christmas.
That's Draft Day. You watch it on Fox. Listen to
our coverage on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so, um, let's
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say they go with Mayfield. And I talked to an
NFL GM this morning in the way to work, and
he was like, you know, like we operated an assumption
that Donald goes one, because Donald's so far ahead on
our board. If you're the Giants who everybody everybody thought
or thinks it was gonna go either running back or
go chub or maybe even go Nelson, just go best
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football player because they have a quarterback, because they have
a great wide receiver. Do you do you stay true
to your board or do you go with need? What
do you do if you're the Giants. I think the
Giants will stay true to their board, and I think
it'll be say Kwon Barkley, And I don't know if
it matters who the first pick is. Um everyone, I've
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talked to you, and I even reported this back at
the combine that people in the Giants organization, if you
say Kwon Barkley is almost a perfect prospect. You know,
on field, all field, it's all great, no question marks.
And they firmly believe that this team is better than
their record last year. That if Eli Manning is protected
and they signed Nate Solder and if he has some
weapons and they're gonna get Odell back healthy, they're gonna
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have Serving Shepherd healthy. If they can throw a stay
Kwon Barkley into that mix with an offensive minded Pat Shermer,
they feel like they could make a run this year
and and still have a little bit of a window
under Eli Manning. So like if I were making the pick,
I would say, guys, we're never gonna be up here again.
Let's get a quarterback of the future while we can
but it doesn't seem like that's the way they're going
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to go. Matt Miller joining us in the dug. So
you say you should go quarterback in the future that
I see. I'm not saying what they will do, right.
I think that's one of the things what I do
for the NBA draft is I do what they should do.
Forget what they will do, right. What they will do
is you know, sources will lead you astray. Sometimes they'll
lie to you. Sometimes things change to say, or owners
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come in and you know, we say owners own right,
they go like, hey, man, draft Johnny Menzel because I
told you to right, and you gotta do what he
told you to. I'm saying what they should do. So really,
you actually agree with the idea you should draft Sam
guld if if if Cleveland doesn't take him, yeah, oh,
without a doubt. If Sam Donald's there, I think he
should be the pick with for sure. He's one of
the cleaner players in this year's draft. I mean just
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he's twenty years old, super intelligent, tough, athletic, poised, and
people were going to point out the turnovers. I think
you can clean up some of the mechanical issues to
where he's not dropping the ball solo and maybe not
as prone to fumbling because of that. But he's only
going to get better, and he's already the best quarterback
in this class. So he might not be on par
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with Jeric Golfer Carson went, but I think he's on
par with Mr. Trobiski, who went number two overall last
year and showed some really good flashes on a really
bad team. So yeah, if if you know the Mayra
family wants to give me the five million dollars to
pay a dead gentleman to make that pick, it's gonna
be Sam Donald Matt Miller joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. You you mentioned the Jets, who strangely traded
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up to but only to the third spot, So they're
sitting there hoping with the rosary. You mentioned that they're
making a push for Josh Allen. Who do you believe
would be if they had their druthers and they could
and they could pick, who do you believe they they
think they're getting or that would be available other than
Josh Allen? So I think they leave they're gonna get
Backer Mayfield. That's everything that's come out of there. The
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last couple of weeks. If Sam Donald's there, I firmly
believe Sam Donald's the number one quarterback on the board
of the Jets. If he's there, they're gonna be doing
backflips when they make that pick because they just got again.
They got really lucky that a great player felt to him,
like Lenny Williams, like Jamal Adams. So if Sam Donald
falls to them, they're gonna be a static. If Donald
goes one, they're gonna be really happy to draft Baker Mayfield.
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So I know, like I said, you know that Jeremy
Bates and some of the coaches are pushing for Josh Allen,
And like you just said, Chris Johnson could walk in
there tonight and say, no draft Josh Allen or you're
all fired. But I think if they have a rational
moment where they say who's the best quarterback for this
team right now and in the future, they would be
really happy getting Baker Mayfield if Sam Donald's not there,
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all right. I talked to um. I talked to a
couple of scouts today and they were like, look, I
know everybody's talking about the quarterbacks, but Nelson's a monster.
Um you I mean you have ro Kwan Smith as
a monster, and uh, you know, Frankly, you have one
of the you know, an elite pass rusher as well,
who's a monster. Like how how do you evaluate guys
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that you know? And then you know you mentioned stake
Kwan Barkley, Like that's four players that everyone you talk
to you says they'll start right away, can start for
five to ten years in the league. How do you
evaluate the need for quarterbacks versus the need for We
got a football player who's going to start force and
could likely be a Pro bowler in the next couple
of years. Yeah, I think a lot of it is
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even it's just pressure, the pressure to have that quarterback
of the future, to have that franchise guy. I mean,
the Jaguars went to the a FC championship game and
how to lead over the New England Patriots, and people
are telling them they need to draft a quarterback this year.
So if you don't have that guy, there's just so
much pressure to get one. And you're right, Stakeholed Barkley,
Bradley Chubb, Clinton Nelson, and Rokuan Smith are rare talent,
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Like those guys don't come around very often and and
Bradley Chuck plays a premier position as a pass rusher,
and Roquan Smith is an a better inside linebacker players
that I've seen in a really long time. Quintin Nelson
is a plug and play All Pro and Sigamond Barkley
has the highest running back grade I've ever handed out.
And so much of the focus has been on these
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five quarterbacks that they're gonna go first round, that we
really haven't even like talked about them in depth throughout
this whole process because everyone just wants to talk about
the quarterbacks when those four guys they can all be
Pro Bowlers in their first year. Cowboys need a wide receiver.
If if who do you think most likely to go
to the Cowboys if they go receiver? I think it
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would be Calvin Radley out of Alabama. But every everything
coming out of Dallas is that they love this policey
State linebacker Layton vander ash who some people have compared
to Brian or Lacker. He does have a medical issue.
Where I've talked to one team that has him on
the board, I sucked others that don't have him on
the board because of his next So he's an interesting case.
But I think that they feel like they can tap
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into the depth that receiver in this class, and they
signed Alan Hearns, so they don't feel an immediate pressure
to take a guy at nineteen overall. So I wouldn't
be surprised if it's a linebacker one day. Get on
the clock tonight. UM. I know this is more of
a second round UH tomorrow question, but the second round
or maybe third round could be littered with running backs.
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I'll give you three from the SEC. Two from Georgia Chub,
Sonny Michelle, Darius Guys. Pick one. I would think Darius Guys.
I think just what he does is a power runner
between the tackles. He has a little bit of shaking
his hips. Nick Chubb, I I worry about just the
lack of speed around the corner. We saw it in
the Alabama game where he just got shut down anytime
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he tried to go off tackle. I like Sonny Michelle,
really versatile threat out of the backfield, but just worry
about durability with him. So I think when you put
the pros and cons together, guys coming out of LSU
looks like the best. One of the three. We haven't
talked about Josh Rosen. What's your eval on Rosen? So?
I love him. I think he's a super clean mechanically.
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I mean everything he does looks beautiful. I mean he
he moves like Andrew Luck and he's got that crisp,
tight delivery. You just worry about a guy who's been
hurt a lot at U c l A. Concussions, shoulder
injuries thosen't pretty serious things for a quarterback, So I
I could see him slipping a little bit tonight, maybe too,
you know, around eleven or twelve overall, unless someone trades
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up to get him. But I think he's a misunderstood
kid who, like we were talking about, you know, the
things that you say when your eighteen year old freshman
at U c l A and everyone says you're the
next Troy and are a little different than who you
become and who you are even three or four years later.
So I'm a big fan of his. I do think
that the injuries are going to hurt him tonight, though,
because it's just a it's a big risk. When you're
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talking about a throwing shoulder and a brain those are
two things you kind of want your quarterback to have
have healthy ones. I agree, like I've I've had people
say like, look, he's just he's too injury prone. Uh,
he's too fragile. But I do think it's interesting that
everyone who watches him play says, Wow, he's the best
looking quarterback, and then no one has him number one
on the board, which tells you all you need to
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know about Josh Rosen right that there's it's it's the
one of my the i's. You walk into a house
and you're like, man, this place is amazing. How long
has it been on the market? Two years? Like? WHOA,
something's up? Did somebody die here? With somebody murdered? Here?
Is there? Mold? Like, what the hell happened there? There's
there's something, uh something amiss? Um all right, man, I'm
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excited to follow your work and to figure this stuff out.
In the meantime, we'll just we're waiting on the Browns,
which is always always entertain always entertaining, always entertaining. It'll
be fun and it's gonna be exciting because no one
really knows what's gonna happen, so it'll be it'll be
entertaining for all of us. I think. Matt Miller from
Bleach Report, Matt, great stuff, thanks so much for joining us.
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And they're just like, look, we can't do go back
to the replays on at least goaltends. The problem with
it is there's a hard and fast rule that if
it hits the backboard first and then you block it,
it's considered goaltending. And you can make the argument, well,
you can make the hit the backboard and a certain
angle would be going up, and it's not goaltending by rule. Goaltending.
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So that actually should be reviewed, but it is not reviewable,
but we can at least admit and oh yeah, by
the way, he followed Victor Oladipo. If you watch, you
watch the replay, you watch the highlights. He grabbed his
right arm and then he still went up and tried
to finish with and finish with the right hand. And
I think Oladipo should have go up, finish strong, get
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This is the same thing as Andrea Gudala uh in
Game seven. Right, Lebron made the block, but let's not
let Ai off the hook. He Andre Goodala should have
dunked the basketball, leave nothing to chance, dunked the ball,
but in chronological order, Oladipo probably got fouled. Did Golten
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doesn't take away from Lebron hitting the shot, but the
Pacers should have fouled as soon as the ball went
in bounds. How can you go down with a foul
in your back pocket? That makes no sense to me, none, Nateman,
that's coaching malpractice. From Nate McMillan. Coaching mal practice. You
leave a man on the basketball, but you don't when
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you're when you're trying to foul as soon as the
ball gets in bound, so you don't have to guard.
What's what's more difficult to score with three seconds or
to score with two seconds? D oh, and look, the
lebron thing is amazing. But I started the week telling
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you this, and I'm gonna end the week telling you this.
It's just not sustainable. I have owned all of the
major brands of cars, okay, and you can go through
all the different lists of what you think is the
best made car. I've had Accurates, I've had Alexis, I've
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had Infinity, I've had a GMC, I've had uh, you
name it, like on some and and here's one thing
I know that whatever car you think is the best car,
the best made car, Cadillac, Lincoln, those new Lincoln Navigators
are sick sick um Mercedes, these Bens, they all have somebody.
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Even if they have a tenure one thousand mile warranty,
they all have that warranty at some point expires. Do
you know why? Because even the best made car on earth,
you get to a certain spot and there's too much
wear and tear and it's gonna break down. It just does.
My wife had an Infinity cue ship. You know this
big and we had it for seven years and we
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never had a single problem with it. We're like, dude,
we're gonna overspend on this because we're having babies and
we want something super safe for our children. And we
hit that hundred thousand mile mark and all of a sudden,
like transmission had given us problems, and like, look, even
the best made cars, that's what happens. Lebron James is
the best made car we've ever seen play in the NBA.
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And I'm not saying he's gonna get hurt, but I
am saying that at some point, it's just too much
wear and tear. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, oh and the
I Heart Radio app. I'm intrigued to hear what Clevan
Browns have done. And there continues to be this sense
that the Browns are gonna do something crazy, Right, They're
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gonna do something crazy like drafting Baker Mayfield. One. If
you talk to most people who um have their big board,
if you talk to people who are in the league,
they've used Sam Donald as the number one quarterback on
the board. Some have Sae Kwan Barkley as the number
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one player on the board, some have Donald doesn't have
one play on the board. I don't believe anybody has
Baker Mayfield outside of Babe Cleveland as the number one
player on the board. I could be wrong. I think
they just fit. I just think they like his intangibles
and enough of his tangibles that though you made like
Donald's upside, there's turnovers. Uh, there's the fact he's very
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young and he's gonna have to develop Mayfield. Do you
feel like you're going to get a ton out of
and he continues to get better. I don't know. I
don't know what Cleveland's thought is other than he's really
really accurate. He's got a super high football like Q.
So two people I talked to you in NFL free
free agent, uh free excuse NFL front offices told me
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almost almost word for it. And they're different guys, so
it wasn't They weren't going to talking points that Mayfield
had the highest football i Q of any of the quarterbacks.
Both said they would take Donald because Donald Donald super
high i Q, super high football like Q, just not
as high as as Mayfield. But they just like the
overall prospect better. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's more athletic,
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he's younger with more upside, and uh, he will get
better playing in a better offense. And he played at USC.
But Cleveland might do something crazy and they might go
and draft Baker Mayfield or maybe even Josh Allen number
one overall, which brings us to the New York Giants,
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who the people I talked to weren't in the Giants organization.
But what what you'll get is you'll get a lot
of lies about what, Hey, who are you gonna draft? Work, Na,
I'm gonna draft. We don't know what's gonna happen in
the top five outside of the Giants are not going
to take a quarterback. And there's reasons for that. There's
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reasons for that to be a a possibility, maybe even
a likelihood. You know, Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer have
decided Eli Manning is their quarterback. They've said as much,
they've acted as much. They have Davis Webb, who was
drafted last year, granted a different general manager. Remember he's
a guy who actually beat out Baker Mayfield. So you
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got you got those two things going for you, and
the Giants have a litany of other needs. If you
don't need a quarterback and you have a star wide
receiver and you're starting to rebuild your offensive line, you
could go with Bradley Chub who's just an animal defensive front.
And while you think like that's crazy, remember when the
Giants have won two Super Bowls in the last a
decade or so. They've done so with their defensive line
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being dominant. And he's a he's an animal, he's he's tremendous.
We had him on yesterday. You can download the interview.
You could go with Nelson, a kid from Notre Dame
who's as highly errated a guard as you'll find, Like
you have to guard. Have you watched the Giants play,
There's a reason they went out inside and Nate Solder
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there's your tackle. Now you get Nelson a guard, you
start to rebuild that offensive line. Nothing works unless you
can protect your quarterback. Or you go with sake Kawan Barkley.
Now you have a running game. Now you have the
best running back in the draft to go with arguably
the best wide receiver in football, and you rebuild that way.
The problem, though, is not just that you're the Giants
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and you don't normally select in the top five. The
problem is you're reaching for a need instead of being
true to your board. Why don't you take a listen?
This was Sean Payton. He's on the Dan Patrick Show
earlier this week talking about the draft. But I do
get guarded with the idea, well, if we don't get
our quarterback at eleven, then we'll just get the next
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graded quarterback. Well what if the next one isn't someone
you love. That's where I think you sometimes can get
into making mistakes. You're strictly reaching for need as opposed
to you know, who do you have a conviction on.
He talked about last year, we had Pat Mahomes. If
Pat Mahomes was available, and uh, what was your selection, shoot,
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Marshawn Lattimore. Marshawn Lattimore wasn't available, and Pat Mahomes was.
Pat Mahomes was that highly rated on our board. We
have the number one quarterback on our board. We were
going to take him, and Peyton and I were Shan
pet and I We've talked about this before on this
show at the Super Bowl, where he said, like, look,
we can't We're not gonna try and draft the next
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um thanks Drew Brees, Like, let's just draft the best
quarterback and eventually, when it's his turn, we'll build an
offense around him. We can't like, we built this offense
around Drew, which is really really smart, but more my
takeaway more than anything, and this is what the other
guys in the NFL front office has told me, which
is come in ship for the Giants, because quarterbacks the
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hardest thing to find. You might be staring at the
number one prospect, in the number one quarterback prospect, and
you're never in the top five of the draft and
you have an aging quarterback and you're still not gonna
draft the quarterback. Well, that would make no sense. So
what do you do? I mean, don't you just draft
Sam Darlin and figure it out. Fox Sports Radio has
(36:42):
the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all
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on Sundays with Chris Mannox our NBA Insider. Also from
Yahoo Sports is Mannix Karen Butler. Tough Juice from NBA
All Star an NBA champion should be pointed out that
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he was the tenth pick overall in the two thousand
two and NBA Draft. UM. NBA Draft Day two thousand two,
you were in the green room, absolutely, you know, chilling
in New York, Me and my agent, my wife, uh,
my fiance at the time now, my wife, my mom,
my little brother. Amazing experience. What do you remember, Like,
when you close your eyes you think back to the
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draft day, will you remember, man? You know, you know,
I go back to that moment and I'm just like wow,
Like I think about everything that you know, I possibly
went through all the adversity that I went through in
my life at an early age, you know, being incarcerated, UM,
going to prep school, being kicked out the state of
Wisconsin from the school board, from Racine Unified, UM, and
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finally being on that platform and just having an opportunity
to you know, really hear my name called and walked
across that stage. Man, I was just like, man, just
a it's a blessing. That's pretty cool, pretty cool. It's
It's one of the things that sometimes gets lost in
the do we like or not like the draft pick
and all the different analysis of it is like it's
the culmination of a life's work and for for many people, uh,
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it's it's a dream that we that so many of
us who play sports have but never get a chance
to fill. And it's like you want to kind of
find the balance between the two, right well, like congratulating
people and understand the emotions of the experience that they're
going through, but also be able to talk about if
you think they're going to be successful in the place
in which they were drafted. And I think you hit
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it right on the on on the head. I think
so many times we talk about, you know, the potential
on the upside and they messed up with this pick,
and you know, just not respecting the layers and the
journey of the individual, you know, most for the most part.
You know, I got drafted when I was twenty years old,
a little older, you know, but a lot of kids,
you know, getting drafted at the age of eighteen nineteen,
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and you know, it's a lot being thrown at these
young individuals, you know, the kind of been shelter to
the AU and collegiate programs and you know, just not
really having a chance to really have that normal childhood
and just to be thrown into the fire like that,
you know, we should have, you know, applauded them as
much as possible for you know, actually just being able
to make it to that platform. So it's amazing, and
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you know, I'm gonna do that tonight as I watched
the NFL Draft, you know, I'm I'm gonna celebrate these
guys that worked so hard to you know, even make
it an opportunity to finally you know, hear their name called,
that's Corn Butler to choose joining us on the Doug
Gottli Show. Did the Thunder figure something out or do
they just get hot last night in the third quarter? Hey,
I think you know, they're one of the best players
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in the game of basketball. Russell Westbrook, you know, did
what he do and that's why he's been rewarded with
the the hefty contract. And uh, Paul George, you know,
plays significantly. Well. I don't think it was really adjustments.
You saw them down, you know, um, you know, just
like they was down pretty much in the last couple
of games to Utah and it looked like it wasn't
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be the same story. But you saw a great said,
you know, at his best. You know, he saw greatness
on two on two platforms. You know, with Lebron James
being in Cleveland in that game, UM could have easily
went either way. And then you saw it with Russell
Westbrook in this series with Utah and obviously okay, see,
you know, no real adjustments was made in that series.
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It was just the dominance of a great player that
just took over. Let let me ask you about about
Lebron James. Let's go the first to his last play.
UM that he is young, tried to cheat, right, he
tried to cheat the screen. Lebarn read it and popped out.
Is it possible that Indy wanted to foul, but that
he is young in his effort to kind of cheat
and read the play ended up stopping them from fouling.
Or do you think there's just not enough time to
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use that final foul that they had to give. I
don't think they was trying to file. I think it
was trying to play excellent defense to try to read
the play and and and try to disturb the play.
You knew where the ball was going. I mean, you
know with that amount of time left, that means that
you had to catch the ball and do exactly what
he did, create a shot. It's only there's only two
guys on that team can actually do that, j R.
Smith and the other one is obviously Lebron James Kevin Love.
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In that situation, they probably would have been a turnaround,
catch your shoot. Uh. Jordan Clarkson never been in that
moment or in that position. So you gotta play the
numbers game, in the odd game, and you know in
hindsight everything, but you know, from a deep pensive standpoint,
you gotta make sure Lebron do not catch that ball
and leave it upon someone else to beat you. I
was just texting with with two NBA head coaches and
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they I said to exactly. They said, well, it's it's
easier said than that. I was like, dude, how about this,
Let's not let the best guy on the planet get
the ball. You got three seconds left, make somebody else
beat you. Isn't that rule number one? Yeah? It is
easier saying and done it. You know, usually people don't
want to say that exactly what they're feeling, but you know,
I mean, look, man, we were in this space and
we gotta speak our mind, and you know, I don't
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have a horse in this race. And I gotta be honest,
and you know, you gotta deny Lebron as much as possible.
I'm okay with anybody else on that team. This is
two opportunities that was blown by the Indiana patients. You
saw one at the last home game and then saw
this one. And you cannot believe in your in your
in your heart of hearts that you're gonna, you know,
win the home game in Indianna and then go back
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to Cleveland for the second time in the series and
beat Lebron James in the closing game seven. So I think,
you know, they really forfeited their series by not using
their best knowledge. That's the voice of Karen Butler Tough
chooses his nickname. Of course. You can hear him on
Fox Sports Trading with our guy Chris Mannox noon to
three Eastern times Sundays on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, let's
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get to this Wizard series. And I think this one
is super interesting. Look, I think the Wizards are a
team that if they're right, they're capable of beating the Calves.
I think the Raptors are a team they have meet
the Calves in the playoffs and and I don't know
what what you're talking. I do think the winner of
this series has a chance against the Cleveland Cavaliers. But
here we are again with them looking like a different
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team home versus road. What's your sense of the Wizards
and and and what to make of how unbalanced it's
been based upon where they're playing. You know that that's
been the story of you know, the Wizards for some time,
and like you touched on, you know, it's two teams
out there that's that's he that's healthy enough, that can
be consistent enough, uh to to beat the calves, And
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I just don't see that happening with either teams. For one,
I think that the Toronto Raptors are whatever it is,
they struggle with it. Lebron has some type of you know,
big brother little brother thing with them, and then with
the Washington Wizards, it's almost like you're struggling to be
consistent and you're just waiting for something to happen. And
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that's something always happened in the Lebron series, that happened
with us, you know, going all the way back to
two thousand, six and seven and eight, you know, three
years in a row, and then it's it seems to
be happening in the same you know form, you know
with the current Wizards as well, when they play in
the Cleveland Cavaliers Karl Butler joining us in the Doug
Otlips Show. Do the Pelicans have a chance against the Warriors?
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You know what I think if if Anthony Davis is playing,
you know, lights out and having the out of body
performances and you know, doing all the things that he do,
playoff Rando playing at an unbelievable clip and then through holiday,
you know, doing exactly what he does, I think that
they can possibly push it six, but you know, to
beat them in the series, I don't see that happen
because you know, Draymond Green is you know, warming up,
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he's starting to make shots. He's getting a more steady
diet of shots where he's not getting spot shots where
he's getting six and seven opportunities, he's getting thirteen shots
and fourteen shots where you can establish the rhythm. And
you saw that with the Washington Wizards when John Wall
was out. Alto Porter was playing so well because he's
getting his reps, he's getting volume of shots and looks.
So with that being said, and then it's the Cavalry
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coming over that that that that that mound. At some point,
you know, Steph Curry is gonna be you know, released,
and then that's just gonna be a whole another dimension.
So at some point I think, you know, they just
imposed their will on the series and they won that series.
But the next one is gonna be one to watch.
Get your pop already, I think it will be. It'll
be a great one to watch. Um. Last thing I
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want to ask you about Lebron James. We started with him,
Let's end with him. He's carrying this team, like single
handedly carrying this team. And some of it is that's
construction of the team. Some of it is that's what
Indie wants him to do. Right, We'll make him beat
you by himself and hope you wear him out. It
doesn't look like India is gonna be able to wear
him out. But but doesn't the burden of having to
go for forty every night done that at some point
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wear him down to the point where maybe they lose
to that Raptors that they normally wouldn't lose to him,
Maybe they lose to the seventies six ers they normally
wouldn't lose too because he's had to carry so much
of this load before he ever gets those series. Hey,
I said the same thing. I said, you know, the
NBA season is a marathon, is a toll, and you
gotta pace yourself. And then the second season, which is
the playoff, is a toll, and there's another marathon, and
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it takes on the life of his own where anything
can happen. But I learned one thing. You know, you
cannot bet against, you know, game changing and generational talent.
And Lebron is that. Kobe Bryant was the same thing.
And obviously Michael Jordan the goat, was that as well.
And you know, whenever you think that these guys can't
dig a little deeper and they bag of tricks and
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pull out you know, some type of miracle or some
type of performance that just continues to remind everyone that
they're different, it happens. And it happened last night. It
happened in Indiana, and uh, you know we saw it,
you know, with a guy like Russell Westbrook average in
the triple double this season. Again, he put his performers
on display last night as well. And I think Lebron is,
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you know, just cut from that coff where he could
continue to dial in and continue to prove all the
dollars and then they say the they say is wrong,
so you know, it's it's it's a pleasure to watch it, man,
and we're watching great. Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating to see.
That's tough. Juice Corral Butler checking out Sundays with Chris
Mannox on Fox Sports Radio. Juice, thanks for joining us anytime. Bro,
This is the best of the Doug Gottlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio, Boom of America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio Live and Direct from the City of Angels.
Draft Day two thousand eighteen is here. We got day Baseball.
We'll keep you update on that. Yes day baseball still exists.
(00:22):
It's a lot like pay phones. It still exists, and
yet you don't normally need it, although occasionally you're intrigued
by it. Plus, we gotta recap an incredible night by
Lebron James h coaching malpractice by the Indiana Pacers, Nick McMillan,
and the Oklahoma City Thunder staving off disaster, absolute abject disaster.
(00:47):
A lot of hoops to get to. But let's start
with football because, uh, Josh Allen apparently tweeted out some
racially insensitive stuff like six years ago is the right
six years ago? So here is what I want from
you on Twitter. If you're joining us in the Doug
Gottlip Show when you were in high school, if you
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were tweeting back when you're in high school, I know
Twitter didn't exist when many of you were in high school.
If you were tweeting, what would you be tweeting about.
It's like one of those things like I would I
don't know how uh how race stuff? Why you would
ever tweet about race stuff? Nor do I ever have
(01:30):
I ever thought that way in my life. And but
I also don't know the context to how much you're
joking and how much we we what we take seriously.
There's just no context to me that in context is
in fact everything that said that said, I'm only interested
in this if you were tweeting when you were in
high school, what would you have been tweeting about? Because
(01:53):
I'll be honest, it's a huge Snoop dog fan high school? Right? Uh?
Was it? Doggie Style? Was was his album that was released?
I'm gonna say that was my senior year in high school.
Course to Chronic was like nine two or ninety three.
Those are my two favorite albums of my high school era.
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So there's a pretty good chance that some of the
lyrics that are in those songs I would have been
tweeting about because when I was in high school, I
probably didn't think that would be one of the first
picks of the NFL draft, nor would I have had
the wherewithal to understand. Again, none of this makes with
Josh Allen tweeted, Okay, but there is the realization to
which when I was in high school I did a
(02:36):
lot of stupid stuff. I do a lot of stupid
stuff now, but not necessarily to that level. I would
have been tweeting about Dr Dre and about Snoop Dogg
when I was in high school. Who what it would
you have been tweeting about. I'm just I'm just thinking
about I had a high school girlfriend. I had a
(02:57):
car that I got my senior year. I do think
there are some things things that I would have kind
of clean up when I signed into college. There are
a lot of different stuff, a lot of stuff. I'll
get to Lebron in a second, man, Lebron. Lebron has
become too indie what Jordan was to Cleveland. How about
(03:17):
that one. You gotta remember Jordan and Cleveland and all
the different heroics. Lebron has become too indie what Jordan
has become to Cleveland. Doug ot Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio.
It appears that Josh Allen is falling and Baker Mayfield
is gonna be your number one overall pick. And this
has all the workings of a mistake mistake, not because
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Baker Mayfield won't work. But everything is about likelihood. Everything
is about in sports. The reason we keep averages, the
reason that analytics have become important is likelihood. I was
explained on base percentage to my son yesterday. My son,
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he's had He's a really good little baseball player, gone
through a little bit of a slump. You know, this
is not just kid pitch, but he got eleven year
olds and sometimes ten year olds, and he just turned
nine and this is the first time he's facing There
is a picture in Newport Beach a kid who's really good.
He's ambidextrous, right and left handed, pitched both right and
left handed last night and he's throwing fire. And we
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faced him Monday night and one buzz buzz the tower,
and then the next pitch came right down the middle,
and he was so scared of his tower getting buzz
that he didn't swing right down the middle. Right freaked
him out, and so we talked through it. I got
a buddy who does sports psychology, who's an assistant coach
in Israel. We did FaceTime with him. He did a
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grounding technique. He he was good, he was solid. He
actually walked twice last night, but still you're you're working
through things. But I was explaining he were watching a
video that I saw on Facebook of Ted Williams talking
about hitting, And here's Ted Williams from sixty years ago
talking about hitting and those his same approach even works now,
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you know, being quick, being short, being through the ball,
keeping your weight in the same. Have we changed, you know,
the swing plane a little bit, but a lot of
the ideas of hitting have remained the same. If you
can't learn something from Ted Williams, you can't. He's arguably
the greatest hitter in the history of baseball, right, last
guy to hit four hundred, And I was explaining to
him what four hundred men? And what on base percentage ment?
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And the only thing that we've used on base percentages. Look,
the more times you get on base, the more times
to score. Right, That's why O b P matters. It
changes every the more times the guys are on base,
the more pressure puts on a picture pictures, numbers usually
go down. Fielders usually don't feel it as a higher percentage,
and you score more runs the goal And this is
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you know the basics of how analytics have changed baseball
is who gets on base the most. It's all the matters,
and who gets on base emos scores a higher percentage
of time. How much you get on base. That's about
percentage of time is how much you score percentage of time.
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The likehood of scoring increases every time you get on base,
and the likelihood of of winning increases every time you
score earlier in the game. All these things are based
upon likehood of success. The same thing could be said
for your completion percentage. And it's hard. It's hard to
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correlate the type of passing game that some guys havewards
dink dunk dnk dunk with downfield passing, but generally below
in college. You don't get higher in the pros. Not
all that's true. Matt Ryan, of course, bad percentage of
senior year. But but he's a He's incredibly accurate as
a pro. It's all about likelihood of success, its know. Look,
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the Baker Mayfield story is incredible. Here's not a one,
but a two time walk on a kid who was
a three time Highsman Trophy finalist, a kid who's a
little bit over six ft tall. Uh, he got a
ton of moxy. He got huge lower intestinal fortitude. He
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won a Higsman Trophy. Hell he didn't. How about this one?
He didn't lose a true road game while being the
starting quarterback in Oklahoma. And oh yeah, by the way,
if he gets trapped to the Cleveland Browns, he'll be
a backup. And here's a kid who has the makeup
to earn a starting spot. How do I know that
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he did it a Texas tech? He did at you?
So why God Lieby? If you love the story, do
you not like Baker Mayfield to the Cleveland Browns? What's
the percentage of times of six ft quarterback makes in
the league? What's percentage of time a guy who runs
an offense that frankly is just better in college than
any other offense. I'm a big twelve guy. I don't
(08:03):
necessarily like to fall into these big twelve quarterbacks don't
play well in the pros. But what super said, who's
the most successful big twelve quarterback in the Nation Football League?
Is it Sam Bradford? And if Sam Bradford is your
success story, and I love Sam Bradford, but who But
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here's the big one. Everything has to be perfect for
Baker to be Baker. And I know you're saying, oh, no,
that's not true. He runs around back there. That's what
I mean. When Baker Mayfield was at Texas Tech as
a freshman and he was starting, remember that was an
incredibly explosive offense. Whether he was the quarterback or Davis
Webb was the quarterback, there was no drop off between
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the two. None. Right when he was successful in Oklahoma,
they got better players, They got a better offense than everybody.
They say East they just did, with the exception of
Clemson in the National semifinals last year or Georgia in
the National semifinals this year. And there were times to
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which you start to realize there's a limit to Baker's magic.
There just is. And tell me the time when the
Cleveland Browns had better overall personnel than the team they
played against. Tell me the time now they've they've traded
for Jarvis Landry, who was a talented wide receiver, but
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they lost their Hall of Fame less left tackle. They
got to continue to rebuild their line. They gotta get
better skill position players. They're at a talent deficit, and
you want a kid who's always worked at a talent
advantage to come in when his offense was better. Additionally,
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he's gonna have two head coaches in his first two years.
I think everybody knows this, don't we. John Dorsey did
not hire that head coach Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson didn't
even have final saying who his quarterback is gonna be.
And Hugh Jackson is a quarterback guru. Of course Cleveland
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would go off board and pick a guy who no
one else has ranked the number one quarterback on the
board because they're Cleveland. Because nothing ever goes perfect or
according to plan in Cleveland, and that lessens the likelihood
of it being successful. So I'm fascinated to see if
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it works. I'm not rooting against him, but I'm telling you,
the likehood of success is not great. It might not
even be good. Oh yeah, by the way, you got
Tyrod Taylor, who he thinks he's a starter, he thinks
he's a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback, and oh yeah, by
the way, he did lead a team to the playoffs
last year. Good luck getting him to share time in
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that film room, to share snaps in in training camp.
He ain't Josh McCown. He ain't all in on the
rookie ending up taking his job. That ain't who he is.
By the way, here was Scott mcclewin, who was on
the show. This has been referenced in Cleveland a bunch
of times. Here's Scott mccleuin, former Redskins general manager, close
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friend of John Dorsey, who's the general manager of the
Cleveland Browns in October on this very show. You gotta
pick one quarterback to lead your franchise, Scott, who's gonna be?
Baker Mayfield? Really kind of up and down again. He
wasn't great against Texas like he was great against Ohio State,
wasn't great this last week. What about Baker Mayfield? Do
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you like? He reminds me of a shorter version of
Brett Farv. Yeah, that kind of arm. Oh yeah, you
can throw it. He's very confident and he's not afraid whatsoever.
He's a battler. But there's a there's Bett Farve is
a loaded thing. Now. Part of the Brett Farve problem is,
do you think of Brett Farve and you think of
the crotch picks, you think of Brett Farve and you
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think of gun Slinger. I love Brett Farve. Uh Top
five all time favorite player, Top five all time favorite
interview to have. I'm not sure that Brett Farve works
as well in two thousand eighteen as he did back
in the nineties. Brett Farve was a high risk, high
reward quarterback. And oh yeah, by the way, Brett, you know,
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Brett Farve was kind of a simpleton in an ever expanding,
ever intellectual sport like the National Football League. But go
back and look Brett Farve. I believe all time and
interceptions leader as well in the National Football League, that
that thing done play. So if you want to compare
to Brett Farve, ego, the bravado, the the the risk taking,
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the he's not as big, he's not as strong, he's
not as athletic as the guys that people compare him to,
and he's not going to the Green Bay packisn't remember
when Brett Farve hit with the Green Bay Packers. Who
was on the staff, not just Gruden, Andy Reid and
a whole bunch of other guys who coached down the
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National Football League. Baker Mayfield's going to Hugh Jackson, who's
dead man walking, who's got to play Tyrod Taylor and
the staff that's not going to be around and a
general manager who's been in town all of six months.
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Miller's must follow today and you don't follow, unfollow him
tomorrow like unfollowed, unfollowed. All Right, what did you just
tweet about? Josh Allen? Man, It's good to talk to
you again. And I just tweeted that I was talking
to someone connected to the New York Jets and the coaches.
They are making a big, big push. Jeremy Bates, defensive coordinator,
apparently loves Josh Allen, wants to work with him. Because
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I'm not saying he's gonna be the pick, because Mike
mcagnet has to the GM has to make that decision.
But there are definitely some coaches out of Foreign Park
who would love to see Josh Allen there next year. Okay,
so there's a couple of things. First of all, um,
what was your senior year in high school? Oh? One? Okay,
two thousand one? Matt Miller in Joplin, where was it? Yeah?
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I mean Liberal, Missouri, tiny town. I know, I know
where Liberal Missouri is and I know um okay, So
Josh Allen of course got raked over the coals uh
this morning for some tweets that apparently were deleted a
couple of months ago. They were tweets from back when
he was in high school. I would, I do not
ever approve of racially insensitive tweets. I also don't know
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the context of those tweets or whatever, But I just
ask you, Matt Miller in two thousand one, if you
were rolling with your boys in Liberal Missouri, what would
you have been tweeting about? Oh? It would I wouldn't
have a job today if they come out. I mean
it would have been you know, not to make excuses.
I mean, I grew up in a small town in
the middle of the country where I wasn't exposed to
other racist and other people. So I'm sure it would
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have been insensitive. It would have been stupid. It probably
would have been some dumb movie quotes like like what
like oh one, what was your jam? And oh one?
I don't even remember. It's been so long ago, I
do I remember rolling. I'm gonna roll and listen to
the chronic. When I was in high school, my sophomore
year came out. I remember listening to Snoop Dogg his
new album My senior year. Don't tell me you don't
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remember your senior year, jam, I think I think was
pretty big. Yeah, from a little little you know, so
there might have there might have been. There might have
been something about if the if the blank ain't right right,
if the blake is right, you can do it every night, right,
something like that, and that's that's every day correct. You've
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been trying to holler it. You would try being trying
to holler Rihanna or whoever the Rihanna was of two
thousand one, Matt Miller joining us UM. I don't think
the Mayfield thing will work if he goes to Cleveland.
I just I just I like I I like Baker.
I love the Baker story. And everybody tells me Baker
super high football like you and guys of playing for Baker.
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He's not Manzel, but there's just a lot of checks
that go, like, man he's small man that offense always
tears up colleges, and their quarterbacks are so so in
the pros, and he's a big twelve guy, so you
can't really take those numbers seriously, and he's in Oklahoma
where they have better players than everybody except for you know,
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Clemson and Georgia and how that how that worked out.
If Cleveland takes him number one, what will your honest
reaction be, It'll be surprised, because mostly because of the
way that he's risen over the last year. I remember
meeting with scouts over the summer and they were like, yeah,
he's like a round four kids, maybe around five, small
spread offense, off field problems, not very athletic. I remember
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one director of player personnel tell me what I brought
up Baker. This is in the season, and he was like,
many short, fat, why do we want to draft him?
And it's and it's amazing how much that need a
quarterback has changed. And I think your credit to Baker too,
that he's been able to really drive his stock up
with his play. But I don't know if I believe
that Baker to Cleveland stuff. And I've heard it today.
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I mean I heard it yesterday at Ton as well.
I put Sam Donald to Cleveland and my mock draft,
and I'm I guess I'm gonna stand by it. Um,
I don't know if I feel comfortable enough to put
money on it, and I believe that the line has
swung wildly today to Baker Mayfield is the favorite. But
it's gonna be fun tonight. I've never covered a draft
where I didn't know who the first pick was gonna be,
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but this is this is the first for me. Matt
Miller joining us from Bleacher Report at NFL Draft Scout
is his Twitter handle, so he that's like, that's like
when your name is dr you've ever been able to
resuscitate somebody if they're laying there not breathing. He joins
us in the Doug Gotlip Show on his personal Christmas.
That's Draft Day. You watch it on Fox. Listen to
our coverage on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so, um, let's
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say they go with Mayfield. And I talked to an
NFL GM this morning in the way to work, and
he was like, you know, like we operated an assumption
that Donald goes one, because Donald's so far ahead on
our board. If you're the Giants who everybody everybody thought
or thinks it was gonna go either running back or
go chub or maybe even go Nelson, just go best
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football player because they have a quarterback, because they have
a great wide receiver. Do you do you stay true
to your board or do you go with need? What
do you do if you're the Giants. I think the
Giants will stay true to their board, and I think
it'll be say Kwon Barkley, And I don't know if
it matters who the first pick is. Um everyone, I've
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talked to you, and I even reported this back at
the combine that people in the Giants organization, if you
say Kwon Barkley is almost a perfect prospect. You know,
on field, all field, it's all great, no question marks.
And they firmly believe that this team is better than
their record last year. That if Eli Manning is protected
and they signed Nate Solder and if he has some
weapons and they're gonna get Odell back healthy, they're gonna
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have Serving Shepherd healthy. If they can throw a stay
Kwon Barkley into that mix with an offensive minded Pat Shermer,
they feel like they could make a run this year
and and still have a little bit of a window
under Eli Manning. So like if I were making the pick,
I would say, guys, we're never gonna be up here again.
Let's get a quarterback of the future while we can
but it doesn't seem like that's the way they're going
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to go. Matt Miller joining us in the dug. So
you say you should go quarterback in the future that
I see. I'm not saying what they will do, right.
I think that's one of the things what I do
for the NBA draft is I do what they should do.
Forget what they will do, right. What they will do
is you know, sources will lead you astray. Sometimes they'll
lie to you. Sometimes things change to say, or owners
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come in and you know, we say owners own right,
they go like, hey, man, draft Johnny Menzel because I
told you to right, and you gotta do what he
told you to. I'm saying what they should do. So really,
you actually agree with the idea you should draft Sam
guld if if if Cleveland doesn't take him, yeah, oh,
without a doubt. If Sam Donald's there, I think he
should be the pick with for sure. He's one of
the cleaner players in this year's draft. I mean just
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he's twenty years old, super intelligent, tough, athletic, poised, and
people were going to point out the turnovers. I think
you can clean up some of the mechanical issues to
where he's not dropping the ball solo and maybe not
as prone to fumbling because of that. But he's only
going to get better, and he's already the best quarterback
in this class. So he might not be on par
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with Jeric Golfer Carson went, but I think he's on
par with Mr. Trobiski, who went number two overall last
year and showed some really good flashes on a really
bad team. So yeah, if if you know the Mayra
family wants to give me the five million dollars to
pay a dead gentleman to make that pick, it's gonna
be Sam Donald Matt Miller joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show. You you mentioned the Jets, who strangely traded
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up to but only to the third spot, So they're
sitting there hoping with the rosary. You mentioned that they're
making a push for Josh Allen. Who do you believe
would be if they had their druthers and they could
and they could pick, who do you believe they they
think they're getting or that would be available other than
Josh Allen? So I think they leave they're gonna get
Backer Mayfield. That's everything that's come out of there. The
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last couple of weeks. If Sam Donald's there, I firmly
believe Sam Donald's the number one quarterback on the board
of the Jets. If he's there, they're gonna be doing
backflips when they make that pick because they just got again.
They got really lucky that a great player felt to him,
like Lenny Williams, like Jamal Adams. So if Sam Donald
falls to them, they're gonna be a static. If Donald
goes one, they're gonna be really happy to draft Baker Mayfield.
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So I know, like I said, you know that Jeremy
Bates and some of the coaches are pushing for Josh Allen,
And like you just said, Chris Johnson could walk in
there tonight and say, no draft Josh Allen or you're
all fired. But I think if they have a rational
moment where they say who's the best quarterback for this
team right now and in the future, they would be
really happy getting Baker Mayfield if Sam Donald's not there,
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all right. I talked to um. I talked to a
couple of scouts today and they were like, look, I
know everybody's talking about the quarterbacks, but Nelson's a monster.
Um you I mean you have ro Kwan Smith as
a monster, and uh, you know, Frankly, you have one
of the you know, an elite pass rusher as well,
who's a monster. Like how how do you evaluate guys
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that you know? And then you know you mentioned stake
Kwan Barkley, Like that's four players that everyone you talk
to you says they'll start right away, can start for
five to ten years in the league. How do you
evaluate the need for quarterbacks versus the need for We
got a football player who's going to start force and
could likely be a Pro bowler in the next couple
of years. Yeah, I think a lot of it is
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even it's just pressure, the pressure to have that quarterback
of the future, to have that franchise guy. I mean,
the Jaguars went to the a FC championship game and
how to lead over the New England Patriots, and people
are telling them they need to draft a quarterback this year.
So if you don't have that guy, there's just so
much pressure to get one. And you're right, Stakeholed Barkley,
Bradley Chubb, Clinton Nelson, and Rokuan Smith are rare talent,
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Like those guys don't come around very often and and
Bradley Chuck plays a premier position as a pass rusher,
and Roquan Smith is an a better inside linebacker players
that I've seen in a really long time. Quintin Nelson
is a plug and play All Pro and Sigamond Barkley
has the highest running back grade I've ever handed out.
And so much of the focus has been on these
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five quarterbacks that they're gonna go first round, that we
really haven't even like talked about them in depth throughout
this whole process because everyone just wants to talk about
the quarterbacks when those four guys they can all be
Pro Bowlers in their first year. Cowboys need a wide receiver.
If if who do you think most likely to go
to the Cowboys if they go receiver? I think it
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would be Calvin Radley out of Alabama. But every everything
coming out of Dallas is that they love this policey
State linebacker Layton vander ash who some people have compared
to Brian or Lacker. He does have a medical issue.
Where I've talked to one team that has him on
the board, I sucked others that don't have him on
the board because of his next So he's an interesting case.
But I think that they feel like they can tap
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into the depth that receiver in this class, and they
signed Alan Hearns, so they don't feel an immediate pressure
to take a guy at nineteen overall. So I wouldn't
be surprised if it's a linebacker one day. Get on
the clock tonight. UM. I know this is more of
a second round UH tomorrow question, but the second round
or maybe third round could be littered with running backs.
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I'll give you three from the SEC. Two from Georgia Chub,
Sonny Michelle, Darius Guys. Pick one. I would think Darius Guys.
I think just what he does is a power runner
between the tackles. He has a little bit of shaking
his hips. Nick Chubb, I I worry about just the
lack of speed around the corner. We saw it in
the Alabama game where he just got shut down anytime
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he tried to go off tackle. I like Sonny Michelle,
really versatile threat out of the backfield, but just worry
about durability with him. So I think when you put
the pros and cons together, guys coming out of LSU
looks like the best. One of the three. We haven't
talked about Josh Rosen. What's your eval on Rosen? So?
I love him. I think he's a super clean mechanically.
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I mean everything he does looks beautiful. I mean he
he moves like Andrew Luck and he's got that crisp,
tight delivery. You just worry about a guy who's been
hurt a lot at U c l A. Concussions, shoulder
injuries thosen't pretty serious things for a quarterback, So I
I could see him slipping a little bit tonight, maybe too,
you know, around eleven or twelve overall, unless someone trades
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up to get him. But I think he's a misunderstood
kid who, like we were talking about, you know, the
things that you say when your eighteen year old freshman
at U c l A and everyone says you're the
next Troy and are a little different than who you
become and who you are even three or four years later.
So I'm a big fan of his. I do think
that the injuries are going to hurt him tonight, though,
because it's just a it's a big risk. When you're
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talking about a throwing shoulder and a brain those are
two things you kind of want your quarterback to have
have healthy ones. I agree, like I've I've had people
say like, look, he's just he's too injury prone. Uh,
he's too fragile. But I do think it's interesting that
everyone who watches him play says, Wow, he's the best
looking quarterback, and then no one has him number one
on the board, which tells you all you need to
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know about Josh Rosen right that there's it's it's the
one of my the i's. You walk into a house
and you're like, man, this place is amazing. How long
has it been on the market? Two years? Like? WHOA,
something's up? Did somebody die here? With somebody murdered? Here?
Is there? Mold? Like, what the hell happened there? There's
there's something, uh something amiss? Um all right, man, I'm
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excited to follow your work and to figure this stuff out.
In the meantime, we'll just we're waiting on the Browns,
which is always always entertain always entertaining, always entertaining. It'll
be fun and it's gonna be exciting because no one
really knows what's gonna happen, so it'll be it'll be
entertaining for all of us. I think. Matt Miller from
Bleach Report, Matt, great stuff, thanks so much for joining us.
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Here's what happens with Lebron, Guys, Lebron was incredible last night?
Is are we okay saying that he was amazing? Lebron
goaltended last night. He can be amazing. His game winning
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shot can count and also be amazing, and we can
admit that's goaltending by rule and that it's a screwed
up deal here because goaltending is not reviewable because it's
a judgment call. And it's true that part of goaltending
is a judgment call in that you have to make
a judgment the ball is coming down on a direct shot, right,
(27:26):
And they're just like, look, we can't do go back
to the replays on at least goaltends. The problem with
it is there's a hard and fast rule that if
it hits the backboard first and then you block it,
it's considered goaltending. And you can make the argument, well,
you can make the hit the backboard and a certain
angle would be going up, and it's not goaltending by rule. Goaltending.
(27:49):
So that actually should be reviewed, but it is not reviewable,
but we can at least admit and oh yeah, by
the way, he followed Victor Oladipo. If you watch, you
watch the replay, you watch the highlights. He grabbed his
right arm and then he still went up and tried
to finish with and finish with the right hand. And
I think Oladipo should have go up, finish strong, get
(28:09):
This is the same thing as Andrea Gudala uh in
Game seven. Right, Lebron made the block, but let's not
let Ai off the hook. He Andre Goodala should have
dunked the basketball, leave nothing to chance, dunked the ball,
but in chronological order, Oladipo probably got fouled. Did Golten
(28:35):
doesn't take away from Lebron hitting the shot, but the
Pacers should have fouled as soon as the ball went
in bounds. How can you go down with a foul
in your back pocket? That makes no sense to me, none, Nateman,
that's coaching malpractice. From Nate McMillan. Coaching mal practice. You
leave a man on the basketball, but you don't when
(28:58):
you're when you're trying to foul as soon as the
ball gets in bound, so you don't have to guard.
What's what's more difficult to score with three seconds or
to score with two seconds? D oh, and look, the
lebron thing is amazing. But I started the week telling
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you this, and I'm gonna end the week telling you this.
It's just not sustainable. I have owned all of the
major brands of cars, okay, and you can go through
all the different lists of what you think is the
best made car. I've had Accurates, I've had Alexis, I've
(29:40):
had Infinity, I've had a GMC, I've had uh, you
name it, like on some and and here's one thing
I know that whatever car you think is the best car,
the best made car, Cadillac, Lincoln, those new Lincoln Navigators
are sick sick um Mercedes, these Bens, they all have somebody.
(30:04):
Even if they have a tenure one thousand mile warranty,
they all have that warranty at some point expires. Do
you know why? Because even the best made car on earth,
you get to a certain spot and there's too much
wear and tear and it's gonna break down. It just does.
My wife had an Infinity cue ship. You know this
big and we had it for seven years and we
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never had a single problem with it. We're like, dude,
we're gonna overspend on this because we're having babies and
we want something super safe for our children. And we
hit that hundred thousand mile mark and all of a sudden,
like transmission had given us problems, and like, look, even
the best made cars, that's what happens. Lebron James is
the best made car we've ever seen play in the NBA.
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And I'm not saying he's gonna get hurt, but I
am saying that at some point, it's just too much
wear and tear. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, oh and the
I Heart Radio app. I'm intrigued to hear what Clevan
Browns have done. And there continues to be this sense
that the Browns are gonna do something crazy, Right, They're
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gonna do something crazy like drafting Baker Mayfield. One. If
you talk to most people who um have their big board,
if you talk to people who are in the league,
they've used Sam Donald as the number one quarterback on
the board. Some have Sae Kwan Barkley as the number
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one player on the board, some have Donald doesn't have
one play on the board. I don't believe anybody has
Baker Mayfield outside of Babe Cleveland as the number one
player on the board. I could be wrong. I think
they just fit. I just think they like his intangibles
and enough of his tangibles that though you made like
Donald's upside, there's turnovers. Uh, there's the fact he's very
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young and he's gonna have to develop Mayfield. Do you
feel like you're going to get a ton out of
and he continues to get better. I don't know. I
don't know what Cleveland's thought is other than he's really
really accurate. He's got a super high football like Q.
So two people I talked to you in NFL free
free agent, uh free excuse NFL front offices told me
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almost almost word for it. And they're different guys, so
it wasn't They weren't going to talking points that Mayfield
had the highest football i Q of any of the quarterbacks.
Both said they would take Donald because Donald Donald super
high i Q, super high football like Q, just not
as high as as Mayfield. But they just like the
overall prospect better. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's more athletic,
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he's younger with more upside, and uh, he will get
better playing in a better offense. And he played at USC.
But Cleveland might do something crazy and they might go
and draft Baker Mayfield or maybe even Josh Allen number
one overall, which brings us to the New York Giants,
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who the people I talked to weren't in the Giants organization.
But what what you'll get is you'll get a lot
of lies about what, Hey, who are you gonna draft? Work, Na,
I'm gonna draft. We don't know what's gonna happen in
the top five outside of the Giants are not going
to take a quarterback. And there's reasons for that. There's
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reasons for that to be a a possibility, maybe even
a likelihood. You know, Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer have
decided Eli Manning is their quarterback. They've said as much,
they've acted as much. They have Davis Webb, who was
drafted last year, granted a different general manager. Remember he's
a guy who actually beat out Baker Mayfield. So you
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got you got those two things going for you, and
the Giants have a litany of other needs. If you
don't need a quarterback and you have a star wide
receiver and you're starting to rebuild your offensive line, you
could go with Bradley Chub who's just an animal defensive front.
And while you think like that's crazy, remember when the
Giants have won two Super Bowls in the last a
decade or so. They've done so with their defensive line
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being dominant. And he's a he's an animal, he's he's tremendous.
We had him on yesterday. You can download the interview.
You could go with Nelson, a kid from Notre Dame
who's as highly errated a guard as you'll find, Like
you have to guard. Have you watched the Giants play,
There's a reason they went out inside and Nate Solder
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there's your tackle. Now you get Nelson a guard, you
start to rebuild that offensive line. Nothing works unless you
can protect your quarterback. Or you go with sake Kawan Barkley.
Now you have a running game. Now you have the
best running back in the draft to go with arguably
the best wide receiver in football, and you rebuild that way.
The problem, though, is not just that you're the Giants
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and you don't normally select in the top five. The
problem is you're reaching for a need instead of being
true to your board. Why don't you take a listen?
This was Sean Payton. He's on the Dan Patrick Show
earlier this week talking about the draft. But I do
get guarded with the idea, well, if we don't get
our quarterback at eleven, then we'll just get the next
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graded quarterback. Well what if the next one isn't someone
you love. That's where I think you sometimes can get
into making mistakes. You're strictly reaching for need as opposed
to you know, who do you have a conviction on.
He talked about last year, we had Pat Mahomes. If
Pat Mahomes was available, and uh, what was your selection, shoot,
(35:38):
Marshawn Lattimore. Marshawn Lattimore wasn't available, and Pat Mahomes was.
Pat Mahomes was that highly rated on our board. We
have the number one quarterback on our board. We were
going to take him, and Peyton and I were Shan
pet and I We've talked about this before on this
show at the Super Bowl, where he said, like, look,
we can't We're not gonna try and draft the next
(35:59):
um thanks Drew Brees, Like, let's just draft the best
quarterback and eventually, when it's his turn, we'll build an
offense around him. We can't like, we built this offense
around Drew, which is really really smart, but more my
takeaway more than anything, and this is what the other
guys in the NFL front office has told me, which
is come in ship for the Giants, because quarterbacks the
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hardest thing to find. You might be staring at the
number one prospect, in the number one quarterback prospect, and
you're never in the top five of the draft and
you have an aging quarterback and you're still not gonna
draft the quarterback. Well, that would make no sense. So
what do you do? I mean, don't you just draft
Sam Darlin and figure it out. Fox Sports Radio has
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on Sundays with Chris Mannox our NBA Insider. Also from
Yahoo Sports is Mannix Karen Butler. Tough Juice from NBA
All Star an NBA champion should be pointed out that
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he was the tenth pick overall in the two thousand
two and NBA Draft. UM. NBA Draft Day two thousand two,
you were in the green room, absolutely, you know, chilling
in New York, Me and my agent, my wife, uh,
my fiance at the time now, my wife, my mom,
my little brother. Amazing experience. What do you remember, Like,
when you close your eyes you think back to the
(37:26):
draft day, will you remember, man? You know, you know,
I go back to that moment and I'm just like wow,
Like I think about everything that you know, I possibly
went through all the adversity that I went through in
my life at an early age, you know, being incarcerated, UM,
going to prep school, being kicked out the state of
Wisconsin from the school board, from Racine Unified, UM, and
(37:48):
finally being on that platform and just having an opportunity
to you know, really hear my name called and walked
across that stage. Man, I was just like, man, just
a it's a blessing. That's pretty cool, pretty cool. It's
It's one of the things that sometimes gets lost in
the do we like or not like the draft pick
and all the different analysis of it is like it's
the culmination of a life's work and for for many people, uh,
(38:10):
it's it's a dream that we that so many of
us who play sports have but never get a chance
to fill. And it's like you want to kind of
find the balance between the two, right well, like congratulating
people and understand the emotions of the experience that they're
going through, but also be able to talk about if
you think they're going to be successful in the place
in which they were drafted. And I think you hit
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it right on the on on the head. I think
so many times we talk about, you know, the potential
on the upside and they messed up with this pick,
and you know, just not respecting the layers and the
journey of the individual, you know, most for the most part.
You know, I got drafted when I was twenty years old,
a little older, you know, but a lot of kids,
you know, getting drafted at the age of eighteen nineteen,
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and you know, it's a lot being thrown at these
young individuals, you know, the kind of been shelter to
the AU and collegiate programs and you know, just not
really having a chance to really have that normal childhood
and just to be thrown into the fire like that,
you know, we should have, you know, applauded them as
much as possible for you know, actually just being able
to make it to that platform. So it's amazing, and
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you know, I'm gonna do that tonight as I watched
the NFL Draft, you know, I'm I'm gonna celebrate these
guys that worked so hard to you know, even make
it an opportunity to finally you know, hear their name called,
that's Corn Butler to choose joining us on the Doug
Gottli Show. Did the Thunder figure something out or do
they just get hot last night in the third quarter? Hey,
I think you know, they're one of the best players
(39:36):
in the game of basketball. Russell Westbrook, you know, did
what he do and that's why he's been rewarded with
the the hefty contract. And uh, Paul George, you know,
plays significantly. Well. I don't think it was really adjustments.
You saw them down, you know, um, you know, just
like they was down pretty much in the last couple
of games to Utah and it looked like it wasn't
(39:58):
be the same story. But you saw a great said,
you know, at his best. You know, he saw greatness
on two on two platforms. You know, with Lebron James
being in Cleveland in that game, UM could have easily
went either way. And then you saw it with Russell
Westbrook in this series with Utah and obviously okay, see,
you know, no real adjustments was made in that series.
(40:18):
It was just the dominance of a great player that
just took over. Let let me ask you about about
Lebron James. Let's go the first to his last play.
UM that he is young, tried to cheat, right, he
tried to cheat the screen. Lebarn read it and popped out.
Is it possible that Indy wanted to foul, but that
he is young in his effort to kind of cheat
and read the play ended up stopping them from fouling.
Or do you think there's just not enough time to
(40:40):
use that final foul that they had to give. I
don't think they was trying to file. I think it
was trying to play excellent defense to try to read
the play and and and try to disturb the play.
You knew where the ball was going. I mean, you
know with that amount of time left, that means that
you had to catch the ball and do exactly what
he did, create a shot. It's only there's only two
guys on that team can actually do that, j R.
Smith and the other one is obviously Lebron James Kevin Love.
(41:03):
In that situation, they probably would have been a turnaround,
catch your shoot. Uh. Jordan Clarkson never been in that
moment or in that position. So you gotta play the
numbers game, in the odd game, and you know in
hindsight everything, but you know, from a deep pensive standpoint,
you gotta make sure Lebron do not catch that ball
and leave it upon someone else to beat you. I
was just texting with with two NBA head coaches and
(41:25):
they I said to exactly. They said, well, it's it's
easier said than that. I was like, dude, how about this,
Let's not let the best guy on the planet get
the ball. You got three seconds left, make somebody else
beat you. Isn't that rule number one? Yeah? It is
easier saying and done it. You know, usually people don't
want to say that exactly what they're feeling, but you know,
I mean, look, man, we were in this space and
we gotta speak our mind, and you know, I don't
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have a horse in this race. And I gotta be honest,
and you know, you gotta deny Lebron as much as possible.
I'm okay with anybody else on that team. This is
two opportunities that was blown by the Indiana patients. You
saw one at the last home game and then saw
this one. And you cannot believe in your in your
in your heart of hearts that you're gonna, you know,
win the home game in Indianna and then go back
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to Cleveland for the second time in the series and
beat Lebron James in the closing game seven. So I think,
you know, they really forfeited their series by not using
their best knowledge. That's the voice of Karen Butler Tough
chooses his nickname. Of course. You can hear him on
Fox Sports Trading with our guy Chris Mannox noon to
three Eastern times Sundays on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, let's
(42:29):
get to this Wizard series. And I think this one
is super interesting. Look, I think the Wizards are a
team that if they're right, they're capable of beating the Calves.
I think the Raptors are a team they have meet
the Calves in the playoffs and and I don't know
what what you're talking. I do think the winner of
this series has a chance against the Cleveland Cavaliers. But
here we are again with them looking like a different
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team home versus road. What's your sense of the Wizards
and and and what to make of how unbalanced it's
been based upon where they're playing. You know that that's
been the story of you know, the Wizards for some time,
and like you touched on, you know, it's two teams
out there that's that's he that's healthy enough, that can
be consistent enough, uh to to beat the calves, And
(43:14):
I just don't see that happening with either teams. For one,
I think that the Toronto Raptors are whatever it is,
they struggle with it. Lebron has some type of you know,
big brother little brother thing with them, and then with
the Washington Wizards, it's almost like you're struggling to be
consistent and you're just waiting for something to happen. And
(43:34):
that's something always happened in the Lebron series, that happened
with us, you know, going all the way back to
two thousand, six and seven and eight, you know, three
years in a row, and then it's it seems to
be happening in the same you know form, you know
with the current Wizards as well, when they play in
the Cleveland Cavaliers Karl Butler joining us in the Doug
Otlips Show. Do the Pelicans have a chance against the Warriors?
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You know what I think if if Anthony Davis is playing,
you know, lights out and having the out of body
performances and you know, doing all the things that he do,
playoff Rando playing at an unbelievable clip and then through holiday,
you know, doing exactly what he does, I think that
they can possibly push it six, but you know, to
beat them in the series, I don't see that happen
because you know, Draymond Green is you know, warming up,
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he's starting to make shots. He's getting a more steady
diet of shots where he's not getting spot shots where
he's getting six and seven opportunities, he's getting thirteen shots
and fourteen shots where you can establish the rhythm. And
you saw that with the Washington Wizards when John Wall
was out. Alto Porter was playing so well because he's
getting his reps, he's getting volume of shots and looks.
So with that being said, and then it's the Cavalry
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coming over that that that that that mound. At some point,
you know, Steph Curry is gonna be you know, released,
and then that's just gonna be a whole another dimension.
So at some point I think, you know, they just
imposed their will on the series and they won that series.
But the next one is gonna be one to watch.
Get your pop already, I think it will be. It'll
be a great one to watch. Um. Last thing I
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want to ask you about Lebron James. We started with him,
Let's end with him. He's carrying this team, like single
handedly carrying this team. And some of it is that's
construction of the team. Some of it is that's what
Indie wants him to do. Right, We'll make him beat
you by himself and hope you wear him out. It
doesn't look like India is gonna be able to wear
him out. But but doesn't the burden of having to
go for forty every night done that at some point
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wear him down to the point where maybe they lose
to that Raptors that they normally wouldn't lose to him,
Maybe they lose to the seventies six ers they normally
wouldn't lose too because he's had to carry so much
of this load before he ever gets those series. Hey,
I said the same thing. I said, you know, the
NBA season is a marathon, is a toll, and you
gotta pace yourself. And then the second season, which is
the playoff, is a toll, and there's another marathon, and
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it takes on the life of his own where anything
can happen. But I learned one thing. You know, you
cannot bet against, you know, game changing and generational talent.
And Lebron is that. Kobe Bryant was the same thing.
And obviously Michael Jordan the goat, was that as well.
And you know, whenever you think that these guys can't
dig a little deeper and they bag of tricks and
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pull out you know, some type of miracle or some
type of performance that just continues to remind everyone that
they're different, it happens. And it happened last night. It
happened in Indiana, and uh, you know we saw it,
you know, with a guy like Russell Westbrook average in
the triple double this season. Again, he put his performers
on display last night as well. And I think Lebron is,
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you know, just cut from that coff where he could
continue to dial in and continue to prove all the
dollars and then they say the they say is wrong,
so you know, it's it's it's a pleasure to watch it, man,
and we're watching great. Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating to see.
That's tough. Juice Corral Butler checking out Sundays with Chris
Mannox on Fox Sports Radio. Juice, thanks for joining us anytime. Bro,
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