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April 30, 2018 50 mins

Doug thinks the Thunder have enabled Russell Westbrook and the way he plays makes it harder on his teammates. He discusses LeBron James' game 7 performance against the Pacers and how he was able to dominate. Former NFL QB Chris Simms joins the show to give his thoughts on the NFL draft.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from beautiful, cloudy overcast Los Angeles, California.
The NFL Draft is concluded. To give you some of
my thoughts called my takeaways. Team that have everybody scratching

(00:24):
their head and the team that has everybody nod in
their head. That up coming. Plus Chris Sims will join us.
He'll give us the fits that he likes, the fits
that he doesn't like. For all these quarterbacks that were drafted.
Remember that when the Patriots are gonna draft your parent
to um to Tom Brady. Yeah, that didn't happen. That

(00:44):
actually did not happen, but lots to get to with.
Chris Sims is gonna join us. Chris Mannix will join
us next hour. Celtics sixers. This is basically how you
know if you're over thirty five years old. If I
say Celtics sixers, you like, Now say Classic Celtics sixers,
you think Antoine Walker and Isaiah Thomas, Right, You're like, no,

(01:05):
I mean, I'm not Antoine Walker and al and Andre
I mean and Antonine let me check that part three.
Antoine Walker and Allen Iverson, You're like, oh yeah, oh yeah,
like no, no, no, Classic Celtics Sixers is Bobby Jones

(01:26):
is the Doctor, Doctor, the Doctor, Julius Ving Moses Malone
to Charles Barkley. I mean you you go through the Classic,
and then of course with the Celtics, DJ Ange, the
Big Three inside Cornbread Maxwell. I mean it's just that's

(01:48):
ninth Early Nighties basketball Sixers Celtics was amazing. But I
want to go back to Friday Night and and this
it's really important. Okay, these two things or three things
can all be true, even though you could make them

(02:08):
into contradictions of themselves. Like it's fair to say that
no one else on the Oklahoma City Thunder seemed to
step up and want the basketball. But it's also fair
to say that forty three shots from Russell Westbrook is
too much of one guy wanting the basketball. I'm here

(02:31):
to declare that the Oklahoma City Thunder are in bad shape,
bad shape, an incredibly run franchise that two years ago
had a three games to one leading the Western Conference Finals,
and they have made a series of errors, even though

(02:54):
they are errors to which like chances that most people
would probably take again if they could. But the biggest
issue with the Oklahoma City Thunder is their best player
is their hardest to play with. The Greatest players of
all time in NBA history are all people that make

(03:16):
others around them better and Russell Westbrook doesn't do that.
And what is bizarre to people who like Westbrook? And
I like what I respect Westbrook and I like parts
of his game, and parts of his game just blow
me away with the athleticism, with the good to get

(03:36):
where he wants to get the shots he wants. But
it also confounds me because if he can get where
he wants and gets the shot he wants, why does
he take all of those shots that he shouldn't take? Right?
But Russell Westbrook being hard to play with is a
lot like when guys say their ex wife is crazy?

(04:01):
Like what stick with me for a second? Ex wife
is crazy? Guy? Now do I think that women are
crazy in a general sense? They see the world a
lot differently than we do. Not all of them see
the world the same, but you know, uh, like, look,

(04:23):
women can be ruthless, they just can't. They can be
absolutely ruthless. They can struggle, like one of the things
with that people never talked about in the broadcasting industry.
I have several friends that are very well regarded women
in the business, and they will tell like, the makeup

(04:45):
room when it's for women is just brutal. They just
crush each other behind each other's back. Guys like, look,
we get l we get envious, we get jealous. We
want other people's paycheck, we want other people's success. But
there's there's not the cattiness, there's not the cold shoulder,
there's not the pettiness to the level that you see

(05:06):
with women. On the other hand, women can go the
opposite way and the incredible friends to one another and
to you and me, like they're just women and men
or we I think we all agree whired differently. But
what happens a lot of times in the divorces, Oh,
she's crazy, she's paranoid, she's this, she's that right where

(05:31):
you know you act ask the guy like, what's what
do you mean your X wives parents? Well, you know,
she's just paranoid. She just always thinks about catting around.
She's just well, yeah, but didn't she catch you cheating
on her? And that's why she left you like yeah,
but you know, like I wouldn't left her like no, No,
you made her crazy. God, we you we have to
take some ownership in this as men. Women are crazy.

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But one of the reasons, the biggest reason they're crazy
is because they have to deal with us, That's the truth, right,
Like they're catty and they're petty, and they get on,
they get on, they talk bad about each other behind
their back, about how they look. But the reason that
it's important how they look is because of how we
judge them based upon how we look. You do understand that, right,

(06:13):
Hold on, it's not true. Stop it. We make women
crazy because the things that are important to us aren't
important to them. We are we are wired, many of
us to think of ourselves first, in them second. But
more than anything, the ex wife, who, man, she's crazy. Yeah,

(06:34):
you probably made her crazy the things that you did,
the way that you treated her that made her crazy
or made her act in a way in which like,
she doesn't know are you all in or or all out?
She doesn't know how you truly feel. Because men, many
of us struggle to express the way we truly feel
at the moment. That's why she's left kind of foundering.

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I don't know how this other person really feels, because
the only thing we feel is how quickly can we
get from point A to point bedroom. Right, every guy
wants to say that women are crazy. I'm sitting here
as a guy to tell you probably right. But we're
probably a huge part of the reason why. Between the
way we treat them, talk about them, talk to them,

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and the things we do while we're with and while
we're not with them, you'd be crazy too. How's that
right relate to Russell Westbrook? Very simple? Yes, Paul George
couldn't seem to figure out a way to get his
game going. And yes, Raymond Felton turned down shot after shot,
and yes, Steven Adams kept getting offensive rebounds but kept

(07:45):
kicking it out hot pittaining that basketball no one else
seemed to want the ball. But why is that? Because
they've lived with Russell Westbrook. He has a team that
lacks confidence in itself, a team that there they only believe,
whether on the surface level or the subterranean level, they

(08:06):
only believe they can succeed if Russell Westbrook carries them.
They may not say it, they may not feel it,
They may feel some anks towards him. But the truth
is the way they play, they just keep giving it
back to him. So yeah, the team lacks confidence. The
team doesn't want the ball Russell Westbrook does, but it's

(08:29):
because of how Russell Westbrook has treated them the entire year,
going back to last year, where everybody celebrated his statistical successes,
even the assists he have, those are passes that lead
directly to a basket. We can't even succeed unless Russell

(08:49):
Westbrook creates a shot for us. My point is that
Oklahoma City has fostered this sort of behavior with Russell Westbrook,
just like we as men foster that sort of behavior
with women we do. And look, I think Oklahoma City

(09:10):
at the time, it's going back to last year, man,
they were just happy that any star want to call
okay See home. They want to do whatever it takes
just to have him. And then he did something historic
and averaging and triple double, so they simply want to
embrace it. And just like we as guys, like we
don't know what we do right, Like, we're not trying
to objectify women when we talk about their looks. Were

(09:31):
just trying to say, like, hey, I think you're hot, right,
and we say it in ways. It was like, you're beautiful,
I love the dress man, you look incredible, right, you
always have to you mention it. I'm like, well, why
are you mentioning my looks? Why are you like? I
just because I didn't mean anything by it. I just
I thought somebody want to know they look good. We
don't know what we're doing. We're just being us. But

(09:53):
by being us, we make them crazy. Trust me. And
Oklahoma City has created this culture, this environment to which
everything is about Russ. They didn't mean didn't mean for
it to come out this way, didn't mean for a
guy to have forty nine shots, didn't mean for them
to be totally beholden to one guy to taking and

(10:15):
making shots. They just want to Russell Westbrook to know.
They like, appreciate him, think he plays hard, happy that
he's there. Hope to God he doesn't want to go
home to l A or go to New York City,
where you know, all his fashion would be even more
embraced and sell even more like They just I just
want to keep our guy. This is what happens. Here's

(10:36):
Russell Westbrook um when he was asked about Paul George
his future after the game. Um, and the game just
finished thirty minutes ago. Uh, We're gonna relax, Um, look
at this season as a whole, and then you know,
we go from there. You've said, when you've been asked before,
that the postseason is what would keep Paul here. Um.
Do you that crossed your mind that you know that

(10:58):
an early exit could affect his mentality? When I just
when I just say to him, but it's a different question.
Would I just say to him that you're going to
think about it? But I'm asking that's the next question.
Here's Paul George Um asked about his free agency plans.
It was an amazing season. Amazing season, really a learning

(11:20):
experience playing off for us, playing off Melow, Steve, Oh,
you know, seeing what potential is like, having Dre out there.
It was it was great. It was a lot too
to be happy about. You know, I would love to
remain a thunder, but you know that's what this summer
is for. So you know we all dressed that in
the summer. There's a butt there, right, Like I I

(11:44):
do love this whole, this whole thing with like, well,
you know, listen, he's gonna take some time and take
some thinking out, Like, look, if you want to stay
with the thunder, all you gotta stay is I want
to stay with thunder? Very simple. Go back to the man,
the woman and that woman's story, Like you want to
stay married, I'd like to stay married. But WHOA, well,
what excuse me? They can offer you a max contract? Right,

(12:11):
we all know what the what the figures are? You
want to stay, you don't want to stay? Not really
any other questions. Um. I also think the overuse of
the word amazing. That was that was that season was
a lot of things. I don't think amazing would be
the word interesting. I learned a lot, fascinating, eventful, exhilarating,

(12:34):
Maybe even is a still positive word. I don't think
anyone would say a team that was really were they
the four seed? The four seed? I think I don't
think anyone would say like, that's amazing, Wow, you guys
amazing and look, you know, Paul George is not a dummy.

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But they won forty eight games. They tied for the
same number of wins of the Jazz as the Pelicans,
one win above the Spurs, who didn't have Kawhi Leonard,
and one win above the Minnesota temper Wolves, one win
behind the Portland Trailblazers. There's a lot of words I
could use to describe Oklahoma City's thunder. Oklahoma City thunders
season amazing would not be in the top five. The

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Rockets won sixty five games, that would be amazing. The
Philadelphia seventy Sixers finished the season on a sixteen game
win streak fifty two and thirty over under was forty.
I would say that's amazing, impressive, amazing, um to have Carmelo,
Anthony Russell Westbrook, the reigning m VP, and Paul George

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on the same team and finished fort and thirty four
five your last ten games, and then being beaten in
six games by the Utah Jazz, who did not have
their point guard last game and a half. I would
not characterize that season is amazing, But if you wanted
to stay there, he wouldn't have said. But be sure

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to catch live editions of the Doug GOTTLEIAP Show weekdays
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of Bleach report. He's playing the NFL d have won
the Super Bowl, covers the NFL or NBC Sports. He's
Chris Sims. He joins his on the Doug Gottleap Show.
He did some NFL Power rankings after the NFL Trap

(14:34):
still have the Browns at thirty two. So Chris um
some interesting picks at one and four. We can talk
about the rest of the draft and what the Browns did.
What's your reaction now on a Monday after the NFL
Draft concludes. Well, I think the thing that that jumped
out to me about the draft more than anything, of course,
the quarterback was the quarterback situation was was awesome to

(14:54):
watch just where they were gonna fall, what teams were
gonna make trades. Uh. But I really I think the
this draft just the quality of players that had to
be drafted in the second, third, fourth round. You know,
I do the first two rounds, uh, picked by pick
live streaming on Bleacher Report. It was hard for me
to give teams too many bad grades because I just
felt like, Wow, there is maybe not a ton of

(15:17):
superstars in this draft, but a lot of good football players.
They're gonna help out rosters right away in Week one.
I think that was one thing that jumped out to
me all r Let's start with Mayfield right right pick,
wrong pick? Well, for me, it's the wrong pick. I mean,
I'm never gonna be sitting here and just go, oh,
I'm not at a team for picking the guy who
had the number one rated quarterback on their board. I
understand that, But man, I would have a hard time

(15:39):
picking the quarterback six one, fifteen eighteen pounds that ran
a four or eight five and has a twenty vertical
with the number one pick of the draft. I would
I wouldn't. I don't think I could have pulled the
trigger in the top five or somebody like Baker Mayfield.
That like Baker Mayfield. But you know, the other thing
I questioned too, is just man Cleveland. You know their sources,

(16:00):
you know, I mean, everybody kind of knew that if
the Jets had the option, it was gonna be Donald one,
Rose and two. They could have got Baker Mayfield at
four for by all accounts, That's the only thing I'll say.
But regardless, I can't be too matter of though, if
that was their guy and they went and got him. Okay,
so the Giants goes Sae Kwon Barkley, then they get
an absolute road grader with with their second pick do you,

(16:23):
Dave Getleman obviously saying like, look where I understand that
the league is trending differently. The league is about you
know your back seven and it's a passing league. Uh.
But they want to run it. They want to protect
Eli Manning by running the football and using Sae Kwon Barkley.
What do you think about the Giants? Did too? The Giants?
I mean the Giants I thought killed it in the draft.
I mean Dave Gettleman, he talked a big game, but

(16:45):
he liked delivered big time man And yeah, Barkley at two.
Barkley is as good a running back because I've seen
come out and since Adrian Peterson, and I mean I
think he's more. He's even more made for the NFL
than he is for college football, Doug. He is gonna
be a game changer. If you told me he's the
best offensive player in football next year, I'm gonna go, oh, yeah, okay,
that's that's what kind of player he is. He's special.

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The Giants have the two most explosive offensive players in
the NFL on the same field at the same time.
It's gonna be incredible combination for defenses having to try
to figure that out. And let's not forget they got
a first round pick and Evan Ingram at a tight
end from last year, along with Sterling Shepherd. So the
Giants are a team when you look at their roster,
I really expect them to be back in the playoff conversation.

(17:29):
They're just two talents that there's too many stars on
both sides of the ball. All right, let's let's go
to the Jets at three. They kind of luck into
this thing, right, Like, they trade up and they still
could have could have gotten the third the third guy
on their board, but they end up with Sam Donald. Um,
what's it likely he gets on the field this year?
I mean, I think he's definitely gonna get on the
field at some point. And now the Jets team is

(17:51):
a little bit better, I think than people give a
credit for. And Josh McCown you know, it's gonna be
all about how they get off to starting the football year.
If they start off three and oh, and Josh mccowns
is in quarterback, of course they're not gonna bention him.
But if they're two and three, two and two, uh,
you know, I do expect him to be on the field.
Somewhat early, and if he shows it in a preseason
and training camp that he's mentally capable of of, you know,

(18:13):
understanding everything, and then this game is not too above
him at the age of twenty. Let's not forget that
he's twenty years old. This is where I pushed back
Doug with the whole Sam Donald conversation. Throughout the draft,
everybody kept telling me, oh, he's the safest pick. Why
because he had a Southern California trojan on his helmet
and he's handsome. I just didn't understand that. You can't
tell me he's the safest pick when he's the most

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raw guy. He has a kind of a flawed throwing motion.
He led college football and turnovers. He doesn't have great
feel in the pocket. So that my argument with Sam
Donald is he's definitely one of the best players in
the draft, but it's gonna be a little time. He's
still raw and there's things that he needs to catch
up on. As far as just some of the schematics
in the NFL um Buffalo trades up to get Josh Allen,

(18:54):
you're gonna need a big arm to throw through that
kind of weather. On the other hand, you're gonna need
to be accurate, have a J mccaren um. So I
guess he doesn't have to play right away. Everybody I
talked to you said, look, Alan's only shot is if
he kind of red shirts for a year. What are
your thoughts on on the fit with Buffalo and Allen? Well,
I don't really see it that way. I mean, the

(19:14):
Bills got to the playoffs Josh year with less than
adequate quarterback play. Well, why can't they do that again?
I mean Alan is raw, but Alan okay from what
we saw at the Combine, his pro day, uh, the
Senior Bowl, he fixed some of the little mechanical issues
that we were all worried about watching on film where yeah,
the ball he lost control of the ball at times. No,

(19:35):
he is an elite talent, the Josh Allen and I
think he's the most likely to get on the field
the quickest, really, because what's gonna happen up there in
Buffalo is they're gonna see him on the field to
AJM next to a J. Mccarroen and go, oh my gosh,
this guy's big. Oh my gosh, he's really athletic. Oh
my gosh, his arm is unbelievable. And that's where it's
gonna be almost undeniable, as long as he can handle

(19:56):
the mental gymnastics, which I think he can. Because he
played in a host style offense. He got the highest
wonder Lick school out of all these guys. And this
is what impressed people the most about Josh Allen. The
friends I talked to around the NFL just said when
you meet him in person, and the meetings and the
and the chalkboard sessions, they were off the charts. I mean,
so I do think he's a little bit more ready
than people are giving him credit for it. He played

(20:18):
in Wyoming. If you watch some of the games on
film with me, Doug, you'd laugh at how wendy and
how bad the weather is. There was the worst offensive
talent around him. They aggressively threw the ball down the field.
You know, Sam Donald got the throw twice as many
screen passes as he did this year. Baker Mayfield got
to throw four times as many big screen passes. If
you got to throw those screen passes, his completion percentage

(20:40):
would have been in the mid sixties. And this would
not be a conversation. Chris Sim's Bleach Report joining us
Doug Gottlieb show, UM like, look, you played for Gordon
and I think you respect Gordon, and I I thought, hey,
here's the guy. It's great to sit up there in
the booth and to run the Gordon quarterback camp because
he's truly invested in it and he has an incredible
knowledge base having covered the NFL draft. But then I

(21:02):
watched in Brandon Parker. You know, he trades get they
get Brandon Parker. They don't need offensive line help, but
they get one. He's got injury concerns. In the third round.
P J. Hall was considered most to be a fourth
round or he goes in the second round. Arden Keys
got got off field issues. And Maurice Hurst. I get
that it's a fifth round pick, so somebody would say
it's a wasted pick. But he got a heart issue.

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That's why no one else wanted to touch him. It
feels like Oakland taking a lot of chances. Is that
how it feels to you? It does exactly that. I mean,
I think you you hit the nail on the head,
exactly right. They reached with everything, you know, even like
Colton Miller, their first round pick. I like cold Miller.
He was He was definitely the second best left tackle
in the draft, like true left tackle. But you know,

(21:44):
was he worth pick number fifteen? Probably not. But I
think they felt like this was a desperate need for
their football team, just the fact that some of their
old lines getting up there in age. Donald Penn's come
to the end. But I'm with you with the rest
of them, Uh, they were all a little bit of
a reach for me. Yes, And I'm always a little
scared to take the small school guys, small school guys,
especially especially when its interior guys, because they're just not

(22:06):
going up against anything realistic like in the SEC or
the a CEC that's got a ton of NFL offensive
and defensive alignment. So that scares me. The best thing
I think the Raiders did in the draft was the
fact that they trade for Mark Davis Bryant. That would
probably be the number one move I look at and go, wow,
that can really change their football team. Him on the
outside with the Marie Cooper on the other side, and

(22:27):
then Jordy Nelson kind of the jack of all trades
guy is gonna be pretty dangerous. You know, that looks good.
The only problem is he's one blip away from exactly.
It's like you said, they're all they all have a
risk factor. Everybody you mentioned there was there was one
little problem with every one of them. Well, nothing ever
goes wrong in Oakland too, so that you know that's
that's the good news. And then you know if you're
if you're around the team long enough, you get to
go to Vegas and nothing ever bad happens happens in Vegas.

(22:49):
Chris Sims joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Um,
we were told by so many, Hey, Patriots gonna find
a replacement of Tom Brady. That's what they're gonna do.
They're gonna use this draft. And that's why Brady is
not a note. He is because he's mad, because they're
gonna they're gonna find a replacement to him. Um, that
that isn't what they did in the first four rounds.
What's your reaction to the past draft? The Patriots? That

(23:11):
the Patriots, the Patriots that they don't panic. They're not
gonna be told by the national media what they need
to do or what they have to do. They trust me.
If there's one team out there that does not give
a damn what anybody else in the world is saying
it's the New England Patriots, so they did their due diligence.
I know that they really like Lamar Jackson and there
was thought there, but I think they just felt like

(23:33):
it wasn't quite the right fit and they had other
needs on their football team and they're gonna wait for
the appropriate time. It's no big deal. Again. I think
Brady at least plays this year, maybe two more years,
but they'll make the move when they got to. They
had a good draft. Their first three picks were game changers.
Isaiah win other than McGlinchey, was the next better man
Nelson the two Notre Dame games Notre Dame guys. Isaiah

(23:55):
went from Georgia, was the third best offensive linement in
the draft. Sony Michelle is a game changer. And then
this Duke Dawson they got in the second round out
of Florida man. He was one of the best corners
in the draft. They got their Malcolm Butler replacement there.
But the Patriots will make that move when they find
that there's a guy that truly fits the mold and
which they like. I know they love Josh Allen. That's

(24:16):
why you saw the Buffalo Bill Steak Josh Allen Brian
day Ball. He worked up in New England. He's the
new offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. They have a
certain formula in which they like at the quarterback position.
And out of this draft, I really think Rosen and
Josh Allen were really the only two guys that kind
of fit that mold. I want to ask you that
Rosen the second, but you mentioned Son of Michelle for
people to know Chris because a Halftimes NBC Sports for

(24:39):
the for the Notre Dame broadcast, You're you're on the
field for Georgia versus Notre Dame. Uh SONA Michelle? How
does can hear? Is he a replacement for Dian Lewis?
Is he different? What do you when obviously they had
a two back system and he was better, especially since
Chub heard his knee. What's your thoughts on Son of
Michelle and how he fits him with what they want
to do. Oh. He he's a perfect fit for them.

(25:01):
I mean he's a little bit Alvin Kamara ish, but
yet he's probably got more power running between the tackles.
I mean he is a he's got some sort of
legs on him. That's the first thing I always look
at the running back position. He's got incredible quickness, incredible
acceleration and really for his size at two auger and
fourteen pounds, his power is pretty and phenomenal. To listen, Doug,

(25:22):
it didn't take a rock science with Sony Michelle. Right,
you watched the College Final four when you when you
basically get ten carries a game, and you go for
under over a hundred and fifty yards in each of
those games against some of the talent that was on
the field in those game, a lot of NFL players. Man,
you're a baller, and he did it consistently. Uh, he'll
be a jack of all trades for that New England offense.
They're gonna move him around and let him do everything.

(25:42):
How does it worked with Rosen? You know, you got
Bradford there, you got Glennon there, and I look, I
know that nobody respects Glennon, but like he was, he
was in your spot. He was the starting quarterback of Tampa.
And then you know, they draft over him, Then he
goes to then he goes to Chicago, they draft over him.
Now he's the backup. But it's saying Bradford, no one
thinks Bradford get through a whole season. How do you
think that plays out with those three in Arizona. Yeah, well,

(26:06):
this is the thing I find interesting. I mean, I
really Josh Rosen was my second favorite quarterback, and he
was the safest pick of the draft at the quarterback position.
I mean, he's just the most consistent, the best within
the pocket, the best thrower, whether his decision making or
accuracy or when to you know, put the pedal of
the metal throwing the football, he can do it all.
So from that standpoint of phenomenal, Yeah, we talked about

(26:27):
he's a little less than the athlete you want in
two thousand and eighteen, I'm gonna be interested in that
situation ATWAH Cleveland because I look at Cleveland and Arizona
and go like this, here's the first pick of the draft,
Baker Mayfield. He's gonna go on the field the first
few days in Cleveland and the team is going to
see him next to Tyrod Taylor and go, well, man,
Tyrod Taylor is the same size, Tyrod Taylor is a

(26:49):
little faster. Tyrods Taylor has a stronger arm, or every
bit of strong arm. And we picked this guy one
and I look at Arizona and going listen, I know
Rosen's the man of the future, but at the same time,
he's kind of built just like him Mike Glenn and
a Sam Bradford, paulor lankier guy, not a huge frame.
Sam Bradford was the number one pick for a reason,

(27:10):
and it's because he can really throw the ball too.
I just find it interesting. I think people are gonna
go on the field there and go, damn, what's the
difference between Bradford and Rosen. I think that's gonna be
another interesting thing to talk about here as we go
into this. But Rosen, at some point, I do think
year one he would be the type of guy I
would look at if you're ready to go and you
feel comfortable with his mentality and how he's coming along

(27:32):
physically and training camp, I make him the starter from
day one and let him go because I do think
he's He's pretty polished, played in the pro offense, and
like I said, he's got all the tools that make
it happen all right. Check out his stuff on Bleacher Report.
You can also see him NBC Sports Network. He's worked
during the season. NBC is fantastic. Chris Simms. Chris, thanks
so much for joining me in high to the family
a YouTube. Doug be good Man, A good week, Chris

(27:52):
Sims joining us. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports
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Radio app. Here's Lebron after the game. I'm burnt right now.
I'm not thinking about Tonto right now and said tomorrow,
I'm ready to go home. Can we I'm tired, I'm
gonna go home. What if I told you that was

(28:14):
the game plan at halftime of the game, Paul Pierces like,
I don't understand the game plan. They're not double teaming
Lebron James. It's like they want him to go one
on one and score all the time. And I'm sitting
at home going yep, That's exactly what they want him
to do. That's exactly what the Golden State Warriors did
last year in the finals. Remember, Lebron would have a

(28:36):
crazy first half and then have nothing in the tank
in the fourth quarter. That's what happened in this series.
I heard Cowherd talking about the clutchness of Lebron. Yes,
he played well in Game seven, but he was either
too tired or unable to get a step on anybody
in many of the fourth quarters in this series, because

(28:58):
that's what the pacers were trying to do. They're allowing
to allow him to exhaust himself. It was, you know,
it was like when Mayweather fought McGregor. How much of
the fight do you remember, Like you remember the start
when McGregor seemed to be getting punches in and Mayweather

(29:19):
wasn't throwing any punches. Do you guys remember that Mayweather
had his hands up, Like, here's one of the greatest
defensive fighters we've ever seen in the sweet science of boxing,
and he's got his hands up, he's being defensive. Meanwhile
Connor McGregor is just wailing away at his arms. Snuck

(29:39):
in one one clean punch in the first round. Some
people had him winning the first couple rounds. Do you
guys remember that fight? That was exactly what Floyd Mayweather wanted,
because Floyd Mayweather knew that in a boxing match, Conor
McGregor had no chance with one exception, And this is
the one exception. Everybody talks about that one punch walking

(29:59):
into to a left hand upper cut or left hand
hook of Connor McGregor was the one thing that Floyd Mayweather,
who's now a little bit longer than the tooth, a
little bit slower, hadn't been in the ring for a while.
The only thing that could have beaten him was a
full power left hook or left uppercut from Connor McGregor,
or straight left from Connor McGregor. Right. So what do

(30:20):
you do? He took away all of his power because
it's a lot like if you've ever played a video
game holding down the turbo button, then you press the
turbo again and there's nothing there. There's nothing there. That's
the philosophy with Lebron James the Raptors, much like the Pacers,

(30:42):
they don't have a good matchup. In order to stop
Lebron James, you gotta have two or three or four guys.
Daddy ys Young is a guy that you could probably
say like he could he could guard him because he
has a lengthy as his strength. But you can't do
with one because a guy gets in foul trouble because
they call everything on the ruck. So you rotate a

(31:03):
bunch of guys and when he gets the basketball, you
stay home. And if he has thirty in the first half,
you're like, yeah, it sucks, but okay, he's not gonna
have thirty in the second half. He just doesn't. He
doesn't have that in the tank. And what you have
to do is stay with it and either he comes
out of the game or when he starts to tire

(31:25):
and stays in the game in the third quarter, in
the fourth quarter, that's when you pound. That's what Floyd
Mayweather did. Floyd Mayweather, I don't think he had stopped
to fight. The fight hasn't been stopped since I'm not
just Dan Buyer Buyer note would would know more. He's
better with numbers and stats. I think it was two
thousand eight. I think it was like two thousand eight

(31:45):
was the last time that Floyd Mayweather had a fight stopped. Geez,
I'll if you give me a minute, and you could,
if you could. I mean, that's my point is that
here's Conn McGregor, Okay, who's tougher than a two dollar steak,
and he's got nothing left. And not that Flay was
gonna knock him out, but he could have. He had,

(32:07):
He just couldn't. He was so tired, couldn't put his
hands up, couldn't protect himself, and so the working philosophy
was from Flay Metheow. And this is why Floyd Mayweather
just like he never takes a fight that he can lose.
Don't take a fight, take a fight that you can lose.
And so the only way to lose the conn McGregor

(32:30):
was to walk into a left hand. Let's just take
away all the power that he has any possibility that
left hand, and then after the third round we'll start
to box him and he gets exposed as being a fighter,
not a boxer. Eleven Victor Ortiz knocked him out, and

(32:50):
then Ricky Hatton in two thousand seven. No, but I mean,
I mean, I meant Floyd maywea the last time he
stopped to fight, I'm sorry, he like he had a
knock out or he had a t k oh, yeah,
that was it. So it's been seven years since he
had had a fight stopped and suddenly Connor McGregor, who

(33:10):
we all like, we can question his boxing acumen, but
we'd all think con McGregor was tough, right the reason
physically couldn't keep his hands up. And if you even
if you go back and remember and and and Ramos
apologize for asking this on the fly. But if you
go back and pull the down. McGregor afterward was like, yeah,
I just got tired. Yeah, dude, that's exactly what he

(33:32):
wanted you to do. You played right into his played
right into everything he wants you to do, which is
exactly what the Calves did and exactly what the Raptors
are gonna do. I mean, like, look, this is how this,
this is how we beat the the British Army. Right,

(33:57):
You're not gonna beat the British Army in a full
frontal attack. Back line up, you line up ten rows
of soldiers and they ryan line up ten twenty rows
of soldiers. Nah, you gotta out flank them. You get
outsmart um, you gotta pluck them off from the side.
That's how you beat lebron. He's going full frontal attack.
He's gonna run out of gas. That's what for me

(34:21):
Wither did. That's what the Pacers did. That's what the
Raptors will do. And frankly, that's what the seventies sixers
to do. And if the Warriors of the Rockets we
ever faced them, that's what they'll do as well. Go ahead, Leron,
have your thirty in the first half. Are you gonna tire?
Don't believe me. Lebron James himself just said I'm tired.
I'm burnt right now. Be sure to catch live editions

(34:41):
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. I think they had Kobe Bryan on yesterday,
didn't they? Or is that next week? Next week? I'm
I'm telling you, I'm gonna have to ask him. Chris
Mannix's uh NBA center for who Sports, he has a
show with Karen Butler. I fall Karen on Instagram and

(35:04):
Karon Butler said they're gonna have Kobe Bryant on. Was like, yesterday?
Is that next weekend? That could be May six? So
next weekend? Alright, so next weekend Kobe Bean Bryant uh
is going to join you. It's a good get, um,
good good good gets that should be that should be
a lot of fun. Um. All right, Let's first start
with Lebron. I understand that he was great statistically, but

(35:27):
wasn't that the game plan from the Pacers, right, like
make him score everything in the first half, not double
team him and hope he runs out of gas. He
did run into gas. They just couldn't rebound or have
enough offense of their own. Yeah, it's been the game
plan all series to single cover Lebron with Bogdanovich or
thaddyous Young or somebody and and kind of dare somebody

(35:50):
else step up and beat them? Now, last time, I
didn't account for a couple of things. One was I
mean Tristan Thompson just coming out of the weeds to
to play the way he did, especially in that first quarter.
He really stept a tone for the rest of the game.
And you know Kevin Love, who has been like the
fourth or fifth best big all series long, he had
that stretch in a close game into the third start
of the fourth when Lebron was out recent they swelled

(36:11):
that lead and he had a lot to do with it. So,
I mean, they were you know, the ya I don't
think played poorly, but a couple of things came back
to fight them. So, um, the Oklahoma City Thunder lost
on Friday night. And I'm not one of these guys
that think that Paul George is gonna come back because
he didn't shoot well in Game six. I think it's

(36:31):
more Paul George looks around and goes like, this is
just not that much fun. This has a ceiling. They
can't get rid of Melows contract. I don't know who
takes on that mellow contract um, And I don't know what.
I think. Oklahoma City is screwed because they've created this
monster in Russell Westbrook to which he's sort of coachable
but kind of not coachable. You can play alongside him,

(36:52):
but you're not necessarily playing with him. Like I feel
like Oklahoma City is in a worst place now they
were last year. Am I crazy? You know? I don't
think you're crazy. I don't know if they're in a
worse place, just because as we speak, they do have
that that that asset that is Paul George. I mean
if if they don't, then it could be even more
problematic because they don't have any any tricks left, you know,

(37:13):
and up their sleeve here. I mean, last time around,
you know, they could dip into the well of prospects
and trade Nola Depot and a Saponus. This time around,
there really aren't any good young players. There aren't any
draft picks. So if Paul George walks um, you know,
this team will probably still either be a playoff team
or a team that could fight for the playoffs because
of Westbrook. But that's it. I mean, this is that,

(37:33):
this really is, you know, Paul George, his decision really
will define Russell Westbrook's next few years in Oklahoma City,
the prime years for Russell Westbrook at Oklahoma City. What
do you think Paul George does? I don't know. It's
you know, he's he's a different guy, and I know
you know him a little bit, and he's just he's not, uh,

(37:55):
you know, a nightlife type of guy. From what I've
gathered writing about him over the years. You know, he
loves fishing, he loves the quiet of a lake. Um.
What I don't know is how deep down he feels
about Russell Westbrook, how deep rooted his feelings are towards
playing in l A. And there's always a wild card,
isn't there, Dug. I mean, you know, the last couple
of years, when somebody something big happens, there's always a

(38:17):
backstory to it, whether it's Draymond Green recruiting Kevin Durant
alf season or you know, Lebron chatting up Wade in Bosch.
The two thousand Olympics too, that was a precursor. I
don't know who's talking to Paul George. I don't know
who's in his ear right now or has been in
his ear talking about next season. So there are just
way too many variables to make any kind of accurate prediction.

(38:38):
All right, fair enough, Doug Gotlie show, Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's uh, let's get to the Golden State Warriors.
Steph Curry is gonna likely play here in in game two.
Do we change how we look at the Warriors after
watching them in Game one against the Pelicans, Well, I mean,
it reaffirms just how great they can be offensively, and

(38:58):
you know when they do flip that proverbial switch, just
what they are and and their dominant and the way
they beat up on the Pelicans who have been playing
incredible basketball. I mean, that series win they had over
the Blazers was you know, arguably the best series win
of the entire first round, given the type of team
they played in defense that they played and that serious
and Golden State just rolled right over them. Uh. I

(39:19):
don't know how much better it's gonna get from New Orleans,
you know, over the rest of the series. I just
don't think they match up well at all with with
with Golden States. So I mean, for me anyway, just
it just kind of just you know, reaffirmed the fact
that when this team, you know, has it going, beating
them four out of seven seems improbable at best. What
about what about Houston? I when I watched Houston play

(39:40):
the Jazz, I realized that the Jazz probably overachieved in
beating Oklahoma City. And it feels like that that series
is non competitive. Now. I should point out that they
didn't have Ricky Rubio, that it was a quick turnaround,
But I think a lot of it was the matchup.
A lot of it was a lot of it was
Oklahoma City, you know, playing, know, not playing down to

(40:01):
the level of of the Utah Jazz more so than
the Jazz just being all that good. Is there any
chance we have a series with the Rockets. I don't
think so. I mean, you're right about Rubio. I mean,
would he have dramatically changed the outcome of that game.
I don't. I don't think so. Um, but he would
have made them better than what they had to roll
out there. I think the difference though in this series

(40:22):
is the impact that a guy like Gobert can have.
I mean against Oklahoma City, where you have guys that
have played mid range and go to the basket, and
having a rim protector like Gobert is critical, and a
series against Houston, which just bombs away from the outside,
it's it's less so. So you know that this team
has been defined, especially since mid January, we knowing that
that search in the second half of the season, they've

(40:43):
been defined by their defense, and Gobert has been, you know,
the biggest piece of that. And when when your best
defender is sort of taken out of the game because
of the style the opposing team plays, it's it doesn't
bode well for the rest of the series. Historically, you
got Sixers in Celtics and it starts reeking of you know,

(41:04):
DJ and Ange and Bird and Michale and Parish against
you know, the state of the Sixers and Dr J
even even predating Ange with Moses Malone, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
But I'm just trying to I'm just trying to figure
out present day, how the Celtics keep doing it right.
Jalen Brown gets hurt, it doesn't matter they win Game seven.
Kerry Rougier plays out of his mind. Um, you know.

(41:26):
I mean, I look, they're playing without their best two
players are out for the season, yet here they are
in the second round of the playoffs. I guess I
guess it it catches up to them here against the Sixers. Yeah,
I think it does. I mean, winning the first round
series was incredible. I mean, Milwaukee they need a new
coach and they need to do some things differently there

(41:47):
because it was embarrassing to lose to a Celtics team
that was so undermanned. I mean, I was watching, I'm
watching games seven, Dugan. I was at the game, and
I'm looking on the floor and I'm actually devine to
double take to see it, make sure seeing at Jason Terry,
Shabaz Bahammad, and Matthew Della Padova, you know, lineup out
there on the floor. And I just couldn't really understand
what Joe Ferndey was going with in the second half

(42:09):
of that game when the game was there for the
taking with with Jalen Brown out. That being said, I
think the Bucks are think the Sixers are a better
coach team and just have more talent, and in the
postseason seven game series, talent always wins unless there's a
major injury or some kind of mitigating factor, talent wins out.
We saw what the sixer did against Miami, which is
another terrifically coached team that that plays hard. It defends

(42:31):
pretty well. I think they're gonna have the same type
of series against Boston with somebody, and whether it's Rogier
or uh, you know, Al Horford plays even better. I mean,
the Celtics are playing above their heads here and and
even if they do that again, I just don't think
they have the firepower to match up with Billy. I
want to read you something that John Wall said after
they lost in Game six to the Toronto Raptors. Chris

(42:53):
Spanish in Yahoo Sports and Fox Sports Radio joins us
his show is a really good one noon to three
Eastern time every Sunday, along side NBA Champion and from
NBA All Star Corran Butler. From John Wall quote, I
don't put the pressure on everybody else. I put the
pressure on myself because I'm the franchise guy. I'm that
that franchise guy. I'm the guy that has to be
the leader of the team, has to get everybody better,

(43:14):
make everybody better than the team. At the same time.
If I'm doing my part, the other four team guys
my team have to do their part at getting better
every year just being true to the team. Our problem
is a lot of times guys don't understand their role
and respect their role. Translate for me, well, I mean
it sounds like a lot of what you hear from
them all season long, which is I mean, it kind

(43:37):
of is what he's saying that the guys on that
team maybe aren't willing to fit into roles on that
team now. Guy like Martin Gore tott Is is a
good example of that. I mean to I think that
is better off just with that team as a screener,
as a rebounder, as somebody that will defend. Uh. He's
a guy that wants the ball though, and and wants

(43:58):
to be heavily involved in the offense. You gotta keep
him happy. Um, you know, I I think he could
be talking about a guy like Mark Keith Morris as well,
with you know, his insistence on being more involved in
the offense. I mean, there's a lot of ways he
can go with that. But the bottom line with it
all is that John Wall need to stop saying stuff
like this. You know, John Wall The first part of
it was great, like take it all on you. You

(44:20):
are the franchise player, you're a max player. You know
when you lose, it reflects poorly on you. But and
the sentence, you know, they're don't don't deflect onto your teammates.
Have those conversations with Ernie Grunfeld with you know, Scott
Brooks behind closed doors, airing dirty laundry like that. Number one,
it's not good for the culture of your team. And
number two, if there are veteran players that are out

(44:42):
there they're thinking about, you know, taking a short money
deal to play for a contender, I don't see why
they want to consider Washington given the environment that that
it exists down that great stuff by Chris Mannix. Check
him out, check his stuff out Yahoo, fall him on Twitter,
and of course let's do on Fox Sports Radio. Mannix.
I wish the playoff games out here instead you get
all those home games back East. Thanks so much for

(45:02):
joining us, man, Chris Mannox joined us. He is an
absolute stud in this business. Fox Sports Radio has the
best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of
our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and within
the I Heart Radio app. Tom Brady says they'll definitely
be playing next season. Tom Brady said he wants to
play in his bed forties. Deals with Belichick lukewarm supports,

(45:26):
lukewarm support right. Well, you can love your boss, you know,
and and look, some of this is some of this
is good. I had a great lesson that I've learned
from previous stops, previous stops, and I have for the record,

(45:47):
and it's not because my boss is listen. They might
be listening to us Monday. I don't know if they'll,
you know, but it's just it's true. I actually do
like who I work for here. It's a it's a bonus.
It is not in all candor, it's it's it's not
the sole reason for my employment in Fox Sports. But
it doesn't hurt that said, I still work for them, right,

(46:12):
I still work for them. I think they deal with
me as a human being. I think most of my
boss I've ever worked with, there's like one who I
felt like I was just god. It looked at me
as as a as I don't know if a number
is not fair, but not necessarily as a human being.

(46:32):
But for the most part, most of my bosses have
been fair in that listen to you. I'm a dad,
um I was, I'm a son, I was, I'm a brother.
You know, I wherever age I am, I work different places.
Part of my upbringing. You gotta understand like the makings
of me as a human human and what I'm going
through in order to understand how it can relate to

(46:54):
my performance, positively or negatively. And only one person I
can think of I've ever out with did not have
any didn't care. I didn't care. For the most part,
they all care. That said, never lose sight of the
fact that you will work for them. I give things
go bad, they are going to take care of themselves first,

(47:16):
as will you. And that sounds really selfish, it does.
It sounds awful to say, But the way it was
described to me from a really good friend is, Hey,
guess what, They're not your friends. Your friends are your friends.
People say like, oh, my boss, which is one of
my closest friends, Like if he's really if your boss,

(47:38):
it shouldn't be one of your closest friends. That will
not end well. You'll lose a job and a friendship
over it. They're not your friends. And so I think
what happens is we think They're supposed to be this
incredible bond, this tight um, tight working together for the

(48:01):
common goal between Belichick and Brady and his offensive staff,
but especially Belichick and Brady. They've been through so much together.
The damn it, they're gonna go down together if, if,
if they ever go down. That's just not realistic. They're
not your friends. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are not

(48:22):
friends and don't have to be friends, and honestly, they
probably shouldn't be friends. So who's the Bill Walsh is
widely considered out. Before Belichick, Bill Walsh was considered the
greatest football coach in modern football history. Remember he traded

(48:42):
away Joe Montana. They have friends now, your friend because
your friend wouldn't trade you, your friend wouldn't cut you.
You know. I talked to somebody in the front office
of the Santy, the Santy guy. I keep saying, sy,
the l A Chargers, And I don't know if you
guys saw this announcement. On Friday, they announced Antonio Gates

(49:03):
was not going to be resigned. Santonio Gates his contractor
was up, so they didn't have to release him. They're
not gonna resign. I did actually play well you think
he had fifteen catches last two games this season. So
people see it, they're like, well, he's still got something
to tank, and maybe he does. But he chose not
to retire. They chose not to resign him, and that's
where they were. And but I was told, like the charges,

(49:24):
they were like, man, we really like him. He's a
great dude. He's this, he's that. I was like, it's time.
It's time. So you may be friendly with your boss
generally friends and if Tom Brady is friendly but not
friends with Bill Belichick, Okay, you know Eli Manning is

(49:50):
friends with the maraw family. It's why they changed offensive
coordinators two and a half years ago. It's why they
hired his offensive coordinator as head coach. Excuse me three
a half years ago, why they hired his offensive coordinator
as head coach two and a half years ago, and
why they fired the GM and the head coach last

(50:12):
year because they're too close. You know what this is
like Bell and Chick and Brady. People want them to
sit next to each other in the movie theater and
they leave a spot in between. That's really what this is. Like,
there's the perfect analogy. You know, you sit next to

(50:33):
your wife. Just put a seat in between you and
your bud. Don't you see in between your bud
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