LeBron vs Durant & Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly

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You're listening to Boom Up America Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the sunny, beautiful city
of Los Angeles, California. I hope your weekend was as
good as mine. No, hope your weekend was better than mine.
Although hard to top my weekend, It's great. I got
to hang out with the fam, got to chill in

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my backyard at some kids over pool party, watched a
bunch of hoop You're getting back from flyover State of Kansas,
and uh Man's a good time of year. Baseball in
full swing NBA Basketball Playoffs. Though most of these series
are not close, the games, many of them are up

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and look after watching the conclusions of Cleveland's Game three
win at home against the Raptors and Boston's Game three
win on the road against the Philadelphia's seventies sisters, I
do think there is a parallel. There is a parallel
as well as a parallel between that and other sports

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that in life. There's a difference between coaching managing in
the regular season and what it takes to coach manage
play in the postseason. There's a different amount of detail,
there's a different um, there's a different amount of of

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calculation with math that's needed. And look, you can still
succeed in spite of flaws in your postseason play, coaching
managing abilities, but you're making it far more difficult to
do so. If you look at the Toronto Raptors, now

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there's two parts of Toronto Raptors, they have the best
record in the Eastern Conference, just as the Celtics had
the best record in the Eastern Conference last year. Right.
So one thing that we have to make sure we
do is if we are going to completely dismiss regular
season records, which we should at least mostly do, not

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completely do, but mostly do. We also have to change
the narrative about how we look at, for example, the
Golden State Warriors. Like, what because all I hear about
the Warriors is Kevin Durant joined a seventy three win team.
So Gordon Hayward joined the team in the East with
the best record. They won sixty games last year. If,

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in fact he returns, If and when he returns, will
we make the same Uh? Will we make the same statements?
Of course we won't. But the regular season matters just
not as much as the postseason because the regular season
is about different things. Some of them it's about records,
some of it's about health, some it's about your depth.
Some of it's about your coaching. And speaking of that coaching,

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it's about a regular season in coaching style. Some guys
have this regular season down. They find ways to motivate
guys when others cannot. It's something Brad Stevens has been
able to do. Dwayne Case he's been able to do.
It's something that they've been able to do in Portland's now. Look,

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once you get to the postseason, a lot of times
your overall talent and sometimes a positive matchup can really
help you. One of the key aspects to the Raptors
dominance over the Toronto Raptors, excuse me, over the Calves
dominance over the Toronto Raptors is this. The Raptors are

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built around Jonas Valancunas at their center and Sir Jebaca
as their power forward. That's how they play most of
the regular season. Well, that's how they start most of
the regular season, right, And what have the Cavaliers done
that at first was seen as a risky move but
now has seen as a really smart move. That's that's
that's worked out they've started Kevin Love at center and

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Lebron James at power forward. Jonas Valanciunas becomes completely and
totally useless at the defensive end, and there's not so
much of a mismatch at all at the offensive vent
based upon one how the raptors play into how the
NBA games officiated. So if you take away your rim
protector and now slide Ibaka over, you're playing essentially a

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backup at the power forward position. You've completely changed the
dynamic of it. So I'm gonna give Dwayne Casey a
pass because this is a bad matchup. It just is.
But where I won't give him a pass, and well,
I will point out that he has been badly outcoached

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Is by Is with at least two glaring coaching errors.
Glaring Kyle Lowry took the ball out in Game one
at home on a sideline out of bounds after a timeout.
Kyle Lowry is my size. He's about six ft tall,
and though he's an All Star, when you're six ft
tall and it's a sideline inbounds against NBA length, that's

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a really, really, really hard task. You can take it
out on the baseline because you can back up on
the baseline, tell the cameraman to get out of your way,
and you can create more angles for yourself. On the sideline,
there's less room to move if any. In coaching one
on one, you want to have your best passer who's big,

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take the ball out on sideline out of bounds. He
didn't do that. Kyle Lowry turned it over. That one
end turnover you could point to end up becoming their
death knew in Game three. Though Dwayne Casey says they
were supposed to double team, the fact is they did not.
So either they weren't discipline enough to listen to his coaching,

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or he didn't employ them enough to listen to his coaching.
It's not that Lebron James didn't hit a great shot.
He did. No one's disputing that. And well, later on
the show, we'll get into the idea that Lebron he's
always been. No, he has not always been this guy.
And I don't know if he'll be this guy in
the in the finals. I don't but Lebron James has

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shown something that he has not shown consistently in his
NBA care Don't let Nick write, don't let Colin Cowherd.
Don't let any of these guys who are prisoners at
the moment tell you otherwise. All right, Lebron James wanted
to pass with the game on the line, unless it
was a quick reaction shot like in Chicago couple of
years ago or against the Magic you know, ten years
ago or so. His favorite thing to do was create, help,

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pass off. Let's say he was not confident in his
jump shot in many huge situations. That seems to have
He seems to have conquered his his mental demons again
against inferior teams inferior Cup. It doesn't matter. That's not
the defense hasn't in what's held Lebron back. Lebron has

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been what's held Lebron back. But for Dwayne Casey's team
to not double team in the back court with eight
sevens a go seven seconds, six seconds, boom, double team,
make Kevin Love, bring make anybody else bring the ball
up the court except for Lebron James, that's coaching mal practice.

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And so you ask yourself, what if Dwayne Casey gets
fired despite having the best record the East. I liked
Wayne Casey. He's a class human being. I think he's
a good regular season basketball coach. If your goal is
to be good in the regular season, then he should
be your coach. If your goal is to win and
evolve and win in the postseason, then I don't think

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he can be your coach because he's not a good
postseason coach. How many times we have to see it,
and as some of it's hurt by matchups, but I
can point to those two key instances as dude, you
can't do that. You can't do it this the championship
at Brown. Brett Brown has done an amazing job, amazing

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job of motivating those guys in Philadelphia to win those
fifty games. But coaching in the post you have to
keep an eye in the postseason. When coaching the regular season,
an understanding shot selection, time, score situation, and how to
use those teaching moments in the regular season to point
to to the postseason that we you wouldn't have these

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brain farts. Philadelphia lost a couple of games that they
should absolutely have won against uh a depleted Boston Celtics
team as opposed to Brad Stevens, who you given out
of bounds play and he'll give his team the best
possible chance to win and as much as you can say, well,

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you know this confirmation bias you made have thought this, Okay.
It's not any different than in baseball. Dusty Baker, great
regular season manager, guys like playing for him. Terrible postseason manager.
Joe Madden is a terrible postseason manager. Chicago cut went
to seven games, seven games with the Cleveland Indians in
the World Series despite having the best bullpen. You only

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use three guys the best starting rotation because Cleveland didn't
have two and a half of their starters, and yet
it went seven games because yo, men's a terrible postseason manager.
It's like a different sport. It's all about detail. It's
all about knowing time, score and situation and ways to

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steal a game. Whereas the NBA season, much like Major
League Baseball season, is long and Arduince about motivating, about
getting everybody to buy in, about getting a team to
buy into the idea of defense and winning being important.
That's different. Everybody wants to win the postseason. It's showing
them and giving them the opportunity to get a bucket here,

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to get a run there, to stop a bucket here,
to stop a run there, to create the right matchup.
That's what makes the best of the best, the best.
I was watching Idol last night Laschia American Idol last night,
which is just a show without Simon, right, I mean,
it is awful. It's the performers are good. Maybe some

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of them become a star. Idol, of course, is a
victim of its own success and that everybody's copied it.
They even took Simon away and it's a shell of
its former self. But there is something to performing live
on stage on TV as opposed to what you do
when you're at a coffeehouse. Right, it's different. There are

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performers that are great in studio. They don't need auto tune,
they don't need any help. They just need a guitar
and a microphone and a good producer and a good
song and they can make a hit. But put them
out on stage and it's just different because it ain't
just about your voice. It's about your appearance and playing
to the crowd and understanding who and when in the

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day and where you're playing, and how to energize that
venue so that somebody felt feels like they just got
a show. Some performers are great in studio, others are
great live. That's no different than Some coaches are great
in regular season, some are just better in the postseason.

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And Tyrone Loeu is not a great regular season coach.
He struggles to motivate well. Steve Kerr struggles sometimes to
motivate these guys. But in the postseason, move here, move there,
or at least making moves that allow players overall talent
to come out. There's a difference there, and that got

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exposed this weekend in both Philadelphia and Toronto. Two really
good guys. But we're not in the We're not in
the business of going like, hey, I really like those guys,
so I won't say anything mean about the fact that
Dwayne Casey didn't have his players double team in the
back court. And if you want to say, hey, I
told them to double team, why weren't you screaming from
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Karan Butler's an NBA champion. He broadcasts essentially for every
different network. Everybody wants to have. Mom is kind of
have to join us here on a Monday, Um, Karan,
so help me out. I was trying to point out
the difference in regular season and postseason coaching, Like, look,
I think Dwayne Dwyne Casey has done a great job
in the regular season, but you know, having his point

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guard take the ball in bounds on the sideline when
he's six ft tall, you know, on a put a
six nine dude on him like that, that's bad coaching.
And I know they said they told them to double
Lebron James in the backcourt, but they didn't do it,
and there was no screaming coming from the sidelines, like
there's Isn't there a difference in the level of detail
you played for Carlile who I know you were hurt

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when you want to be a championship But there's certain
things that guys like that do in the postseason that
some who are better in the regular season don't do,
isn't there? Yeah, I mean you have to understand, you know,
I've been fortunate enough to be a part of the
championship team, go to Western Compass Uh finals, being healthy,
you know what. Okay, see and you know, just had

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a lengthy career of just making playoff appearances, and people
don't understand that the sense of urgency changes in the playoffs. Obviously,
the attention to detail what you touched on, you know,
the focus of the players, and how valuable a possession is.
You know, so when you understand that concept of the game,

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you know every possession counts, every inch, the positioning of
players catching the ball, understanding kyp and that's no your person, knel,
all those things matter. You have to be able to
make adjustments on the fly in the moment of the game.
And you're seeing so many coaches, not just coach Casey

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and but you see a lot of people struggling in
the moment of the game and making it justice. So
I mean, like, look, I I it feels too simple
to point out, don't you just double team Lebron there
in the backcourt? Right that? Like, that's the whole reason
that you take it out on the side is that
it doesn't allow you know that that type of defense

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where you can double and take the ball into your
best players hands. Isn't forget about the shot because the
shot was incredible and I want to get to Lebron
making these shots now, But in terms of basketball one
on one, don't you absolutely double team Lebron James in
the backcourt and make Kevin Love bringing up it sounds
that simple, you know, but his biggest strength is his
facilitate and he's able to find and make the read

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border hockey assists in the right situation pretty much every
time because it's i Q of the game of basketball
so easy. You know, that's just like if we're going
to the gym right now, we're playing five or five,
you just leave somebody at the other end of the
court cherry picking and just say, look, every time they score,
we're gonna throw it down the court to you and
you're just laying in. We get two points, they get

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two points. It seemed like the format of the game
is that simple, but it isn't. And you know, trying
to stop Lebron or double team Lebron plays right into
the strategy of he has guys that can make shots
around and he has Kevin Love, he has Kyle Corver
j R. Smith found this stroke. You know, he has
guys that can put it up and you know, knockdown

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shots and be shotmakers, not just shot takers. Uh, speaking
of putting all those shooters in, like, isn't that maybe
the key element of this series is that by playing
Kevin Love at five, that makes Jonas Valancune is really
really ineffective, especially if Kevin Love makes shots the way
he has the last couple of games and allows you know,
Lebron to play the four, and there becomes no good

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matchup for the Raptors. Like we we can point out
all the other things that the Raptors should do, but
that those mismatches, right, they're really the story of the series.
That's exactly what it is. You know, You're you're stretching up,
you're stretching them out defensively, and you're giving Lebron so
much real estate to operate. And let's let's just face it,
Kevin Love playing some excellent basketball. This is the first

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time since his Minnesota days, I've seen Kevin Kevin Love
get multiple dunks and look explosive in the half court.
He's catching the ball, he's putting it on the floor. Now,
obviously he's not putting the ball on the flour more
than the three dribbles anything like that. Let's not get
carried away. But he's still playing amazingly well and being efficient,

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and that's exactly what you need from your secondary guy
playing next to Lebron James and then all the other
guys are just buying into their roles, you know, not
being consistent, you know, double double guys or uh scoring
over ten points, double figures. But they're just playing defense hard,
they're rallying around Lebron, they're coming together a pre game

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dressed a light. They bought into the constant up of
the team camaraderie. Okay, So here here's the question that
no one has discussed yet, and it's it's completely you know,
ahead of its time to be at. We don't need
to ask it now, but I'm gonna ask it to
you because this reminds me. I went to a public
school in Orange County, right, and you live in the valley.

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Now you you understand this that there's just a limit
to to to the draw that can be at a
public school in terms of who's gonna enroll. I had
one other Division one player on my public school team
and a bunch of my friends I grew up playing with.
They went to Modern Day and they won three or
four state championships, and we got to the state playoffs twice.
We never we never even cracked the state finals. Right,

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So the question becomes for Lebron in the future, is
he having so much fun or is it the type
of challenge that maybe he loves playing with. While they're good,
they're very good players, and I think on some levels
we under underrate, you know, how good Kevin Love is,
how important Tristan Thompson can be, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The

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fact is that they're never going to be what the
Warriors are, probably won't be what the Celtics are going
to be in coming years, um and and they don't
appear to be what the Rockets are gonna be. Do
you think he's having so much fun and getting so
much respect winning games they're maybe not supposed to be
winning that even if they lose in the finals, he
wants to do this some more with Cleveland, I could,

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I could get a sense of that, But I can
get a sense of a guy that, you know, is
you know, defending his throne to the best of visibility.
You know, look you look at the team and the
guys that's symboled around him, you know, minus Kevin Love,
it's a bunch of guys that probably couldn't start anywhere else,
but they can be extremely effective. Obviously they're NBA players,

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and they're really good NBA players, But Lebron featured them
because they're playing with him, They're featured in a different
way and they could be extremely effective. However, Lebron chasing goes.
He's chasing Kareem numbers, Michael Jordan numbers, Kobe Bryant numbers,
the championships and things like that. And you know, right now,

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if you retire, he's probably the best all around basketball
player to play the game of basketball. And we're talking
about points. A guy that don't want to score over
thirty one thousand points already rebounds, assists, etcetera. So I
think it's all about winning right now for him. You
know this, this is gonna be amazing, you know season
for him, win, lose or draw, and then next season

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if you put yourself in the situation where you go
to an unbelievable organization and now you can run down
some more championships and and and let the chill fall.
What they made when they had the goat conversation. You
mentioned that he sometimes doesn't want to score. It does
seem like whatever mental demons he had, like there there
were times in which he didn't want to take those

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big shots. He didn't trust his jump shot. And I
know some of this has been where you don't have
to think about it, right on the move, shotgun time
going down, just up. There's nothing to lose in firing
these shots. It feels like though that in year fifteen
he has conquered some of those demons. Is that a
fair assessment? Listen, I have not seen I remember it
was night and day, you know where you talk about Lebron,

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you know, not having the clutch gene and he's not
similar to Jordan. And then all of a sudden, you know,
Kobe's the you know, the killer and all those things.
And then now fast forward to you know where we
at now you're seeing him knocking down shots, being in
the moment, almost playing up for the moment to happen
so he can deliver in that space and in that time.

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So it's this amazing just to see his evolution as
a player on and off the court, the things that
he's tackling, the things that he's stands for. You know,
I'm I'm a huge fan of Lebron. You know, I
respect him tremendously, not just as a competitor, but what
he represents as a man coron butler joining us in

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the Doug gottlis Sean Fox Sports Radio. We haven't even
talked about the West as of yet. Let's let's go
with Kevin Durant gets a text late at night from
Treymond after they get whooped in Game three, and then
yesterday he showed us why he's KD. What's your sense
of where the Warriors are? Like? They struggled down the
stretch without staff and without kind of direction. Then they

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were dominant round one. They did get blown out in
Game three. What's your sense of the Warriors? Now four
games into this series getting ready for the Rockets. They're
playing exceptionally well, you know, defensively, you know they can
turn up when they have to. Uh. We saw the
tweak in the lineup they called at the deaf lineup
where you put you know, uh Draymond Green, Andre goodal

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out there together KD, Steph Curry and then obviously Clay Thompson.
You know that that's that's scored efficiency at his finest.
Guys that know how to play the game and play
the game the right way. And then defensively, you know,
you got guys that's on the strings, sending the stage,
sending the tone for the other guys. That's coming in
and oh yeah, these guys that's coming in, there's no

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you know there there's there's some heavy hitters. Also. You know,
Swaggy P's gonna have this moment in the playoffs, in
the in the in the next round as they advanced,
because I do think that they're going to advance after
this next game. You know. It's it's just amazing to
see with their championship pedigree, how they're able to turn
up and turn up to another notch. And that's something
that I have yet to see from the Houston Rockets.

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I see them scoring the basketball extremely well and defensively.
I think that's something that they're gonna have to hang
man hat on and not the Office of entrying to
outscore to go to State Warriors. Okay, here's the question
about the Rockets. Where does Clint Cappella is incredibly important
to them? It's a lot though, Like I mean, I
know he's different than Valichunists, but it's the same as
the Valanciunist question. Can he be effective on the court

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if the Warriors are in their death lineup right, because
now he's got a guard either Iguadala, where he's gotta
guard Draymond Green, and though Draymond didn't shoot well this season,
he shot it better here in the postseason. Can Cappella
beat Cappella against the Warrior's death lineup? It's gonna be
extremely tough because they're gonna spread them out and then
the pace of the game. I don't question him getting

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up and down the court because he's a tremendous athlete
with versatility, but at the same time, they're gonna stretch
him out and get him away from the basket. And
why is he so effective because offensively lives in the
paint and then defensively he's always there to reroute and
you know, be that wall or that tree and the

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paint that you know have you second guesting. But if
he's somewhere stretched out on that perimeter and he's running
out closing out at Draymond Green, you know you're gonna
see a lot of Warriors offensively going to that paint
cream shots for themself and the teammates, and you're just
in a guessing game and you do not want to
do that with that firepower. Listen if you want to
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going on in the world of sports. What he got
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head coach and president of basketball offs for the Pistons.
They've parted ways after four seasons. ESPN says that job
will now be divvied into two separate jobs. Brent Barry
said to be a strong candidate for the front office post.
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll says he's unsure whether Veterans savior
Old Thomas will show up at the team's voluntary offseason workouts.

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Of course, he's entering the final year of his contract.
Pro Football Talk says the NFL Players Association has filed
a grievance for free agent Eric Read against the Bengals
and others based on pre employment questions about his plans
to demonstrate during the national anthem. Revamping continues for the
forty nine. San Francisco has now released offensive lineman Zane Beatles,
who a year ago was their opening day starter at

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left guard. Meanwhile, Bear's first round linebacker uh Rokelan Smith
reported to police that items recently stolen from his Beamer
include his team iPad and his national championship jersey from Georgia.
And finally, Doug fun film being developed right now. It's
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Custom Motto. Of course, he handled two time heavyweight champ
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(27:55):
Uh yeah, Roan Smith losing the Georgia jersey that sucks.
Why do you have a Georgia jersey in his car?
Just I don't know, just just a thought. Here, here's
here's the thought about the stam Band Gundhy thing. Now, look,
if if Bret Bret Berry I think is very bright, Bones,
is everybody calls Brent Bones Bret Bryant very very bright guy.
I think he's Honestly, I'm trying to think make sure.

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I think it might be their best color analyst at Turner.
He I know he doesn't call their biggest games. I
think he does a better job than some others in
terms of telling you things that you might have missed,
teaching you about the game. Now, Bones, remember, aren't tell
him runs that deal. They the Pistons basically copied the
Lakers model in handing some form of control to a

(28:42):
former agent and aren't tell him is the former agent,
so aren't tell him runs that And Bones is a
former client of aren't tell him that? All makes sense.
I have friends that are still in the Pistons front
office there in Limbo. They don't know what's going to happen?
I do know this. Can we can we say it's
a bad idea now to give somebody autonomy control? Can
we admit that much? Right? Can we admit that much?

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It didn't work for Doc Rivers, it didn't work for
stan Van Gundhi. Uh, it didn't really work. Jason Kidd,
of course tried to hold the Bucks hostage and get
complete control. He did not. But even that that that
that doesn't work. Just this whole idea, this parcels I

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want to pick the groceries and whatever. And I know
it works in some in football a little bit a
little bit better in football, but in basketball there's a
lot of stuff going on there. It's the same, you
know what it is. It's the same reason, um, whether
it's talent wanted to be in radio, be a program director,
all right, man, I want to be a program director.

(29:49):
I want to put the schedule around, I want to
do all stuff like yeah. But the same reason that
talent should have an agent. Should always have an agent,
because then the agent can be the bad guy. Then
they can be they can also hear the bad stuff
and filter it before it gets to you. If you
just have a conversation with your boss about things they like,

(30:10):
things they don't like, and they're completely honest. You're gonna
hear some things you don't like, and the things you
say about your boss, they're gonna hear some things that
they don't like. You need an intermediary there the same
reason you need the front There's a bunch of reasons
you need a front office and a front office, even
a figurehead of person in between. But you need people
that can go, like from both sides, from the coach's

(30:33):
side to the players, the player's side to the coach,
and then you need the coach sometimes to be the
intermitiate mediary and and they can play the good cop
to the front office playing bad coup. You can't have
one guy play good cop bad cop. That that doesn't work.
It worked in Lego movie because the cop would turn
his head all the way around right, doesn't work in

(30:54):
real life. Doc rivers Um. Now you have stan Van Gundhi,
who else somebody else has done this that they've lost
lost control. Mike Budenholzer had it in Atlanta. I remember
you had in Atlanta that that was gone. Now he's
gone from Atlanta, as they've completely stripped down that team.

(31:15):
Some of that was also an ownership change, but some
of that was Mike Buddenholzer was doing things he didn't.
Boudenoles was an assistant coach, become a head coach, had
no front office experience. Now he's running an NBA team.
Why because they had a great record in the regular
season doesn't makes sense. So let's just admit that when
you have somebody, at least in the NBA who wants

(31:35):
to run both, you go like, hey, I got it,
I hear it. I understand that you want to have
a say in what we do and how we do it.
But there's so many other things you just at least
need some form of management to do that to to
just manage. Stan Van Gundy had experienced in the front
office that experience as a head coach and couldn't make

(31:57):
it work long term. In Detroit, Doc Rivers had an
NBA championship, ring had experienced with two different spots as
being a head coach. He couldn't make it work. Yes,
Ryan Music, The thing with Doc is interesting because the
Clippers were so bad for such a long time and

(32:21):
then they brought over Doc and they had Chris Paul
and Blake Griffin and they sort of rose up, and
even though they didn't quite accomplish a whole lot, they
improved so greatly over where they once were. It seemed
like it wasn't until the very end that it that
became a bad fit. Like early on, it seemed like

(32:41):
Doc was making all the right moves and they were
having success and everything was going great. And then it
was at the end people didn't like whether it was
Austin Rivers or some of these other trades are nervous
thing was that really hurt him? Right? And so it
was like that's not what what really heard him honestly
was they lost Darren Colinson, like like, we won't really
want to get we want do clippers stalk? Let's do
clippers talk here? Right? The Clippers are really good because

(33:03):
Darren Collison was their backup and he was better than
a backup. Uh, Sacramento overpaid him to go be their starter.
He was best in a backup role. And then remember
you given to sacrament of people forget he had the
domestic abuse charge. He was suspended for like first fifteen
games and one of the seasons. But Darren Collison's your
backup point. Guard was great. The in succession. The things

(33:23):
that hurt them was he got hurt and then they
were always hurt in the playoffs, and then the DeAndre
Jordan fiasco. Um, you know they also were what really
undid Doc though in terms of the two moves he
made that he could never fix, well, well, I guess
three one. He allowed Darren Collison to leave although they

(33:44):
couldn't match the money. To remember, he brought in Jared
Dudley who joins the show. But Jared Dudley he wanted
to be the starting small forward. He had terrible first
half of the season, and they did Jared Dudley and
they could never They had they always had one spot
to which they basically had a journeyman. You know, you
had star star star star star or I mean j.
J Reddick's on a star, but you absolutely know what

(34:06):
jj Redick is there for. You absolutelyknew what they had.
All these are but their small forward position was one
to which they could never fix ever since they signed
Jared Dudley and then then he brought in his son,
and that's one of those deals which it's just really hard,
just really hard. So but you're right, they were they
were bad but they were also the reason he got

(34:28):
the One of the reasons he got the job is
Docks as well liked and respected as anybody in the NBA,
and being a black man. After what happened with the
previous owner with with Donald Sterling, they wanted somebody who
they wanted a minority candidate, and they're like, why go
bring somebody else in. We already got Doc Rivers here.
He's awesome. Give him the job and the short term
it worked. Long term, it just didn't. That's not what doc.

(34:49):
Doc Rivers didn't have an eye for future talent. He
wasn't good at developing younger players, or drafting younger players,
or even finding guys that could. That wasn't who he
was or what he did. The Browns continue to say
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Let's welcome back in Deb Carson, Deb. What's the game today?
We are playing? Alright? So, after an impressive rookie camp
by Baker Mayfield, Brown's head coach Hugh Jackson doubled down
on recently acquired QB Tyrode Taylor being the starting quarterback
by saying, as I said, and I'm not going to

(36:19):
back off of this, and we can keep writing this
and there and if Tyrod Taylor's a starting quarterback and
football team and that that won't change. And I think
what happened was Tyrode went up and induced himself and
I think that was big on ty Rod's park. So
Doug is that a big deal, little deal or no deal?
I think it's no deal. I mean, I look, this
is John Dorsey. UH wants to do what they did

(36:43):
in Kansas City last year, which is get the most
they can out of a player who has led led
a team to the playoffs in Tyrod Taylor, and then
next year hand the keys to Baker Mayfield as he
gets time to learn. The problem is he's the number
one overall pick, which is different than number ten pick
in Kansas City. Broad as Tyrod Taylor does not have
the sweat equity that Alex Smith had in Kansas City.

(37:04):
And remember the problem is he's taken over a team
this year that didn't win a game last year. So
the likely it is that Baker Mayfield does start before
the season ends. But I think this is no deal
because this was the deal that we knew as soon
as they signed Tyrod Taylor. I agree, and I don't
think anybody, well, there are some people who expect Baker
Mayfield to start because he is the top overall pick,
but but Tybrod Taylor has experienced, let him play and

(37:27):
and leed Baker get his feet with alrighty Packers head
coach Mike McCarthy told USA Today that quarterback Deshaun Kaiser
would have been a first round pick in this year's draft.
Big deal, little deal, no deal. I think that's a
big deal. I think it shows so many times we
operate under the assumption. And Brian Kelly is going to
join us later on in the show, the head coach

(37:49):
Notre Dame, we'll ask him a few feels, Vindy kne
Nobody ever goes back and goes, hey, coach, you were right.
Your quarterback shouldn't have come out anyway. Um. I think
it's a big deal because there's always some that your
draft stock can only drop right because that's happened to
quarterbacks they've come back. But the truth is that Sean Kaiser,
had he come back and Notre Dame, would have had
a shot to be a first round draft pick with

(38:10):
the exact same skill set based on how he would
have graded out against these guys. So I I actually
think it's a big deal. I agree alright. Moving on,
Seahawks are unsure when all pro safety ear Old Thomas
will show up for offseason workouts. In fact, when asked
if Thomas is expected to attend workouts, head coach Pete
Carroll said, quote, we'll find out. End quote. Big deal,

(38:32):
little deal, no deal. Wait what what Earl Thomas say? No,
Pete Carroll said, we'll find out. Earl Thomas hasn't said anything.
He just hasn't shown up for any of the offseason
activities or workouts. So so USA Today asked Pete Carroll
if Thomas would show up, and he said, quote, we'll
find out. End quote. Yeah. If you don't know, then

(38:53):
you already do know, right right, Like if you don't know,
I don't know his inn, yes you do. If he
showed up, then he's like, don't worry, coach, I'll show up.
If he hasn't communicated, then you actually know the answer
to that. And that's I think what Pete Carroll is
relating to exactly all right. The Texas Rangers are among
the teams interested in signing former Mets ace Matt Harvey.
Big deal, little deal, no deal. Um, just depends on

(39:17):
how much money. But met boy Matt Harvey that that
that ended poorly. Dude, like the party more? You like
to play baseball, you know? I mean look, once he
once he missed a practice that he was supposed to
show up at and said he was sick, and turned
out he was hungover. I think we knew New York
City is a big city, and you think, hey, dude,
you can just even if you want a party, you

(39:37):
can do so on the download and nobody will find out.
The problem is that everywhere Matt Harvey went he went
to popular spots. He wasn't trying to hide from anybody.
He'd like to have a good time. And we've seen
this to be the downfall of METS pictures in the past,
and they're they're just done with it. Yeah, and what
did they say, youth is wasted on the young. Yes, yes,
it is all right. And finally, Tiger Woods finished two

(39:59):
over par at the Wells Fargo Championship, but failed to
record a single birdie in his Sunday final round. That's
the first time that has happened since Big deal, Little deal,
no deal. I'd say that's a big deal, right, No
birds at all, none, not one. And wasn't like he
was playing the hardest course on earth. But he did

(40:20):
find a way to grind to get to the weekend.
But it was a grind watching him compete. This weekend
is game time on the duck Godlime Show, what's the
guy's name? Who's the place? Erlick and Silicon Valley? Oh ho,
look that up for you. Uh what is that? What?

(40:43):
He's a comedian And I saw you got arrested for
making a make Yeah t J Miller, T you guys,
C TJ. Miller got arrested last week in New York. Yeah, yeah,
he made it like a bomb threat. But now he didn't.
He didn't make a bomb threat. He reported that a
woman was acting super suspicious and might have had a
um on a train. He was on a different communter train,

(41:03):
Like what are you doing? And I guess they arrest
him from on a different train and he was hammered
things I don't do when I'm drunk, calling a fake
bomb threat and I and look, he's hilarious on that show,
and he's great and some other stuff that he's been in.
But man, maybe that's why he's also con Valley. Lebron

(41:24):
James is great. But the fact Lebron James so great
we weren't able to appreciate another star player. Tell you next?
What up Stuck Gotlive Show? Fox Sports Radio. M really
fascinating to me? What's happened this? Uh? This past weekend

(41:44):
was past week or so, but really this past weekend.
What happens is we have to become either or people. Right,
you gotta be an either or a person. Uh, lots
of people do the either or a thing in sports,
which which can be and and look, at some point
you do have to make a choice. Even if you

(42:04):
do appreciate one, you can like another more. Nick Wright
comes on this show and says, hey, if you're saying
anything great about Jordan, it must mean you don't like Lebron.
I simply have pointed out that there are some flaws
to Lebron's game, some things that he hasn't done now,
some things that he's doing right now in the playoffs.

(42:28):
It is weird to me on how if you're in
on Lebron, you gotta be all in lon Lebron, which
doesn't seem right. It's like, well, two thousand and eight,
he got the NBA Finals, bad roster, like that's cool,
but then when they lost to the Spurs, they had
the better team. It's across Chris Bosh going to the
Hall of Fame? Yep, is Dwyane Wade going to Hall

(42:51):
of Fame? Yep? Does Lebron James going to Hall of Fame. Yep.
Now Tony Parker might do you Nobilie will, but he
was at the end. Now he was in his mid
to late thirties. And Tim Duncan that was the last
of That was the last gasp of Tim Duncan. Like

(43:13):
all of them were early. Parker is like the oldest,
like thirty two year old guy on Earth, right, Like
Tony Parker is not old, but he's been playing, you know,
literally been playing like nineteen in the league, and he's
all worn down. But they were over the hill and
they were underdogs, and they beat the Heat one year
and frankly should have beaten them the other year. Game six,

(43:37):
they're at the freethro the line. They got a chance
to win the thing. So um, we only point out
that Lebron has the inferior team when he has the
inferior team. And while I would agree with you if
you said this is not a great roster, no, no suh.
But as the Raptors roster awesome, the Pacers ost awesome. Like,

(44:01):
let's compare comparatives, comparable. What's interesting, though, is Lebron after
Game one, and he did play well at the end
of game one and stop with that. He had a
triple double. Maybe one reason he had so many rebounds
were somebody missed shots. The calves were not good. They
should have been beaten. And it's more a case of
Toronto just gagging away a golden opportunity to take a

(44:23):
one game to non lead, even if they're not the
better team, shouldn't win this series. Um, what's fascinating to
me is that now that Lebron has at least recently
kind of conquered some of these end of game demons
and made shots and has had some spectacular performances, it's
like we don't even pay attention to Kevin Durant. Well,

(44:46):
he joined a seventy three win team. Okay, did you
see him yesterday against Anthony Davis? We would agree Anthony
Davis great player. Nobody's disputing that thirty eight points, and
it was an a fairly effortless thirty eight points, kind

(45:07):
of remarkable thirty eight points. It's so much And I
heard this, I've heard this argument. Well if you switched
the two teams. Okay, so we would agree that Lebron James,
though not surrounded by other playmakers, is surrounded by great shooters. Right,
that's what you have with Kyl Corver, that's you have
with Kevin Love, that's you have with George Hill. That's

(45:27):
do you have with j R. Smith. Right, that's the
line of you throughout there. And if it's Tristan Thompson
then it's just a rebound or runner, shot block or whatever.
But if you put those shooters out there with him
the one you need one guy to go iso basketball
if help comes, passive, not go score. So Kevin Durant
wouldn't be good there. I'm not saying any of these

(45:49):
things to take shots of Lebron James, simply to point
out that Lebron has been so good and his games
are so watchable, and he's such an incredibly important figure
in the n b A that it's like, oh, yeah,
Kevin Durant's awesome. We'll see him in the finals. But
right now, we can't pay attention to two things being awesome?

(46:10):
Is this? Maybe this is a guy thing. I thought
most guys could um could multitask, But I have friends
that are like now that guys can't multitask? Can can music?
Can you multitask? Can you cheer for two people at once? Yeah? Definitely?
Why do you think most people cannot because it sort
of seems like if you're when you play a sport

(46:32):
and these two players are constantly competing against each other,
even though you know Durant and Lebron are only going
to meet in the finals, it sort of has to
fall into the category of, well, one has to be
better than the other. So I'm a Lebron guy mhm,
or or I'm a I'm a Kevin Durant guy, because well,
I mean, just we know Durant's obviously better and comes

(46:52):
from a better team, and like has to be a
one or the other thing, because that's just the nature
of Nuance is a lost start. You could say, yeah,
Nuances the lost art, uh, there is no context, doesn't
seem to matter. It's like, I've seen this where Lebron
James now has more game winning you know, walk off

(47:14):
shots than than Kobe and Michael Jordan combined in the playoffs.
Like okay, well, first, Kobe didn't hit game winners in
the playoffs, Like he just didn't. That's been one of
my arguments. Back when Kobe was great and people are
trying to make the Kobe Jordan argument, I was like,
that's awesome. Tell me the Kobe NBA Finals moment. There's

(47:36):
like one quarter against the Pacers where we could where
I could point about ten incredible moments or series of
moments where with with Jordan in the finals, that's why
he was the six time m v P. But Kobe
didn't have. But it like there's a difference honestly between
even Lebron's walk off bank going left and you know,

(47:58):
this is the anniversary of the Jordan's shot against the
Cleveland Cavaliers. Like what people forget about that shot against
the Cavaliers, which was in the was it was in
the eighties. That's how long ago was, man, that was
a long time ago. What people forget about that shot
was that it was game five. Like we do this

(48:18):
as well with with with Lebron, like, well, look look
at his record in game Seven's like, okay, so one.
They used to have five game series, so you physically
couldn't play a seventh game in certain rounds of the playoffs.
To Jordan never went to Game seven of the NBA Finals,
So it's like his fault that they took care of

(48:38):
business early. But there's a difference in the what what
stats might not show you is that when um that
in how many years ago? Was that? That was the
twenty nine years ago, twenty nine years ago when Jordan's

(48:59):
goes in to Cleveland's old arena and beats the Cleveland
Cavaliers in game five? They were down one, they were
they were down a point. It was like with like
three seconds to go, five seconds to go in game
five on the road. Like, that's different than a walk

(49:20):
off shot in a tie game. It just is. But
we'd also admit that catching and shooting game winners, didn't
We see that a couple of times over in the
Philadelphia Boston Celtics series, right that that that just happens.
There's not a lot of time to think about it.

(49:41):
But my bigger, my bigger point, my bigger takeaway is
I'm not sitting here telling you Lebron hasn't been great.
That team is designed around him getting all the attention.
If you help, he'll pass off. He's got a bunch
of shooters around. That's how it's designed. So it's designed.
It's not designed to help him statistically, but the design
news gonna help him statistically, And he has seemingly taken

(50:05):
another step in wanting the ball to take the big
game winning shot, but somehow it's completely overshadowed. What I
continue to tell you is that Kevin Durants actually a
better all around basketball player. He shoots it better, he's
a better one on one player. He's not the pastor

(50:26):
of Lebron, but he's a better past than he's been
at any point his career. And he's not career wise,
He's not the defender that Lebron is, but Lebron isn't
nearly the defender that he used to be. And Durance
frankly a better ring protector than Lebron at any point
in his career. Bob Bryan's gonna join us up coming

(50:46):
next Bob Bryan's great longtime columnist Boston Globe. We gotta
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(51:08):
Irving in the same coaching style, coaching offense, game planning
that you see Isaiah Thomas and Kyrie Irving is gonna
average thirty five a game turned out. I was right
about the style and the offense, only wrong about the
player's Terry Rosier Scary Terry. Talk about Scary Terry and
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(51:30):
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(51:52):
teams have met when they both have a h plus
se uh win percentage. It's really from markable so Red
Sox Yankees, who might get around to that. Let's talk
hoop with Bob Ryan, the longtime calumnist emeritus at the
Boston Globe kind of to spend some time of this
year on Fox Sports Radio. Are we ready to move over?

(52:13):
Red our box? Right? Is that what we do now?
Because Brad continue to be Brad and everyone knows that
Brad's genius. I think that Red is up there filing
adoption papers. They had no sons, so I had two daughters,
so this would be a perfect candidate. How does this?
How does this happen? Like I don't like Look, I
think Brad is great, but they don't have their two

(52:35):
best players. Didn't have Jalen Brown or in the series,
and yet here they are up three games and none. Well,
we have to start the talent cupboard. Wasn't completely there, Doug.
They've got three lottery picks. Uh there uh, and they've
got an All Star in Al Horford, so uh, there's
there's some very good ticks that Danny has a judgments
Dandy has made, but it certainly isn't the team that

(52:57):
people anticipated. No, not not gonna tickickly the and Hayward
went down in the first five minutes of the season,
so they played the entire season without him and had
to make an adjustment. But the adjustment that was really
telling was one to losing Irving. And what's happened is
that Terry Rosier has like been the classic street Uh

(53:20):
you know I'm going to make you so I'm gonna
become a star, and he's he's completely uh up to
his game, has taken advantage of his opportunity as well
as you could possibly imagine, and has given them a
high level of point guard play so that they don't
miss Irving as much as they thought they would. Yeah, no,
it's it's really it's it's crazy. I don't want to

(53:42):
get ahead of ourselves. But what do we do when
they all come back? I thought about this in my
idle moments, And the next year is when Brad will
really earn his money trying to manage talent and egos
and so forth. Because let's face it, you can project
the starting lineup right now for two thousand Opening Night
eighteen nineteam of Horford, Tatum, Hayward, Irving and Brown leaving

(54:04):
Rosier on the bench and uh and coming back off
the bench after he's How you're going to keep him
down on the farm kind of idea? I don't know.
It's going to require some some uh, you know, some
uh sucking it up by Terry Rosier for sure. Doesn't
that presupposes a and then Chris Smart coming off the bench,
which he has done anyway, it's presupposes that they have

(54:27):
both of them back. I mean, first of all, who
knows what kind of offers are going to get and
what they're gonna do with that possibility. And they do
have to resign Marcus smart Dog. He is a free agent,
and it's gonna be very interesting. Don't you think to
see what the market is for a guy whose primary
value is non statistical and better value there. I I
see the value. I think he's worth it a normal

(54:48):
a lot. I think he's irreplaceable in a sense. Yet
what is the market value? What is the dot monetary
value on a guy? In fact? Would you agree with
Is there anyone in the league, in the current league,
of all the rosters, who is like him that has
the kind of unique circumstances of value he has? Uh,
the nature of his game is not really unlike almost

(55:09):
any other player of any consequence in the league. I
have I have one for you. He's a different he's
a different position, but there's a similarity there. It's Draymond Green. Oh, well,
that's a higher level entirely. No, No, no, I don't
I'm not saying the same level, but I would say this, like, Look,
Draylon Green is not a particularly good jump shooter, but
he can make it just enough to keep you honest. Um,

(55:30):
he's he can guard any position, and he's a good passer,
and he can sue, you can do a little bit
of everything else. But because he's on that roster and
he can play center and guard big guys in the
NBA and again make just enough shots to keep you honest,
and even sometimes you're still not guarding him, it makes
him invaluable to the Warriors. He's not an All star

(55:51):
anywhere else with them, He's a Hall of Famer. I'm
a big fan of his and uh, I really can
truthfully say that I caught my eye at Michigan State
to the point where I was shocked when he was
thirty seventh in the drift and the thirty seventh pick
in the draft. I thought that was just ridiculous. I
thought he was much better than that. But okay, that's
that's okay. So so here's the here's the pellet Marcus

(56:13):
smartest not for his position a combo guard. He's not
a good enough shooter, right, they are actually better sometimes
when he doesn't shoot as good a percentage, But he
can guard multiple possess. He can guard one through sometimes four.
He gives them that what the friends say, the genese
qual right, the I don't know what it is, but
there's something about the toughness to ask, the competitiveness that

(56:34):
he brings just enough, ball handling, just enough, finishing, just
enough of everything that other places. I don't know he's
as valuable, but to the Celtics, he's invaluable. I think
he's valuable to a team that is a good team,
a contender. He's not going to elevate a seller Dwellery,
not going to elevate a but but any lottery, any
any playoff team could find room for that guy. Obviously

(56:57):
they would have be able to accommodate him. The thing
that that's own top of this, though, You're right about
the technique, the obvious ability to guard different positions and
and and the limitations of his offense. But the thing
that makes him special is the the unmakeable place, the
the what is he doing? Where did he come from?
He makes things happen unlike almost any other player in

(57:18):
the league. Uh, he completely doesn't. And and that's if
you want to call it intangible. Fine, but there's an
element that he brings that that is very very rare,
and and and so that's what that's where the that's
what makes him so useful and valuable, and and and
I don't know how they're going to monetize that. Okay,
let's let's let's discuss the Lebron thing. Right, the flaw

(57:40):
in the Lebron is the greatest argument has always been, Hey,
you know what, I would give the ball to Bird,
I would give the ball to Magic, I would give
the ball to Jordan's and they would just find a
way to make it happen. Right, That's what they had
that where's Lebron? It always seemed like he needed somebody
else to help him offensively kind of down the stretch.
Has that argument changed with these last couple of game winners, Well,

(58:03):
I do think so. I believe that I know that
there were going to be people who are Look, it's
an interesting, fun argument. It's what makes sports fans sports fans,
what makes you gives you a job to talk about sports,
which could be a job to write about sports. People
love these kind of conversations. I love them myself. Uh,
there's no right and no wrong. Ultimately, there's there's there's
more logic on some arguments than others. How anyone can
deny his greatness now is beyond me and the fact

(58:25):
that he's right, he has he's making those kind of
shots now, He's got two game winners in the playoffs. Uh.
The shot he made the other day, Uh was was special,
Um and it right to try to that. You didn't
think about him as the guy you wanted to have
the ball in the hands to make the less second shot.
But I, I just I don't think there's any flaws
any longer. I don't see how anybody can can pick

(58:46):
his apart and game apart technically in any way. Even
if he does not, he does not have the same like.
The thing is, sometimes his confidence wanes and his jump
shot it hasn't in this playoffs so far. Can that
change though if against the Cell thinks or against the
Warriors suddenly he misses, you know, gets back to missing
those fourth quarter jumps. Well, he's been doing this at

(59:07):
this level for a month, I mean this last month
of April and into May. Uh. This is a he's
fight at the consistent level, consistently putting up thirty fives
and forties, consistently shooting. He's shooting a dog. I kicking
him wrong. I'm I'm not off the top of my head,
but but he shot over fifty fifty some percent for
the season and he's shooting even better in the playoffs.
So this is the role he is on. It's an

(59:28):
extended role, and maybe it's going to the carriage. Will
turn into a pumpkin at some point there, But I
don't know, I don't know when the Celtics are not
as particularly well physically equipped to deter him. Uh. In fact,
who is going to guard him? Probably Brown start off,
and they'll probably be multiple things, and I'm sure he'll
get a dose of smart and and and who knows,

(59:49):
I don't know what you know that they are necessarily
that well equipped to to say that they've got somebody
that can stop him from doing what he wants to do. Yeah,
Marcus smartin And at some point they'll be like a
quasi fight between between everybody and Marcus, Like he has
this he has this quality that like there's a handful
of guy's name, Rondo has that too, right where every

(01:00:10):
game somebody on their team wants to fight you. Yeah,
well he is, he is, he does do those things.
You're right, and uh and and he and he'll handle himself. Well, yeah,
it's kind of he's emotional and you gotta you gotta
find that fine line. You know, He's got to walk
that fine line. So he brings the emotion, he brings
the energy, brings the aggression without doing something stupid to
hurt the team. Let me, let me keep with Boston Sports.
Uh is this Mookie best thing? For real? This is

(01:00:33):
a guy I remember two years ago he was running
up for m v P. He fell up a bit
last year and he still drove in a hundred and
five runs on what we considered was a subpar year.
The ball plat he's played, he's been, uh, you know,
he's been Willie Mays. He's been everything he's been. He's
been trout, he's out trouted Trout so far in the
first uh twenty five games, he's done everything you want,

(01:00:55):
including the other. Did you see that Eddie base running
play the other day when he suckered them into a
throw and he stole and he scored a run on
a on a when there was a throwin coming from
the outfield. They have no idea he was going to
try to score and he scored. So he throwed out
on top of the fact that he's a Gold Glove
level right fielder and he's ops is A is a
ruthie in one point to something and uh and and

(01:01:15):
there's no, there's no Downside's got thirteen home runs. Um
and and he's been a magnificent player. Uh, this is
obviously he's not going to do the ops twelve one
point two for the year. But he is for real,
he's a he's a he's a terrific player. You know.
It's amazing. When when they got off to that start,
I was like, look, this is real. But I never

(01:01:35):
would have thought that the Yankees to be able to
catch them this quickly. Right, but well, and and they're
doing it without Stanton still has is not hid No.
And with that, the wonderful element for them is the
the young players, the Andrew Harrd who had a great
start for them, and uh and of course now they've
got Torres who had his first game winner yesterday, his
first walk off and who's who's the of course everybody
in baseball knew who he was. He was the guy

(01:01:57):
that got from the Cubs at the Cubs hated to
give up, but they felt they had to to make
their deal. For Chapman and and so you know, uh,
Yankees know what they have there. That's it their lineup
now for one to nine, even though you've got two
guys not going there having their way yet. And that's
of course Sanchez was under two d yet he's got
game winning home runs and Stanton, you know it's going
to get going. That's a very very end bird who

(01:02:18):
didn't even have shown up yet. They're that they're they're frightening, uh,
and they're getting good starting pitching. How about the kid
debuting yesterday? Everybody going six innings? I mean, come on,
there's so much talent there it's scary. So this is
a fun series coming up, no question, uh, Bob. Tales
of the divorce between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick seemed
to be greatly exaggerated. Right, they're gonna draft quarterback early.

(01:02:40):
They're gonna draft quarterback early. They don't draft a quarterback early.
So what what do you make of the Is it
is it grounk just wants more money and Brady has
got to talk to Zell into letting him play, or
is this or is this really the guys are fed
up with Belichick being Belichick? No, I think that that
Tom had a chance to diffuse everything when he that
interview with Jim Gray. And he answered that question by saying,

(01:03:03):
I plead the fifth. Uh. Now, what was he just
trying to be funny or was that telling you know,
we're always trying to read through the TVs because he's
very careful and guarded about the kind of public announcements
he makes. He's very skilled in the Jeter like way
of saying nothing but very eloquently, and and we don't
really know what he thinks and and so that did,
unfortunately not close the door to that argument. I think

(01:03:25):
it's safe to say. And he went on to say
Bill is a great coach for me, blah blah blah um.
But I think that it's I'm I'm guessing that there's
some truth the idea that he thinks that that he's
long past the point where he needs some of Bill's
nitpicking in practice or public. I guess, and I agree
he should get for special treatment. Uh. It'll be interesting
to see what happens here, because we know that with

(01:03:46):
the ELM, the M has been with Belichick in terms
of getting rid of guys a year or even more
two before the early before the shelf flight really does expire.
And I always thought that the one guy would be
exempt him this would be Tom Brady And so far
it's not going to happen. As you say, they didn't
we have the quarterback. They went to the seventh round
to get one. Brian Horror is not going to replace him,
So he's going to be around for a year or two. Yes,

(01:04:08):
we know Giselle would probably be much happier if he
chose to retire. I think we do. We do have
a guess that they've got enough money to get by
between them. Yes, that finances shouldn't dictate his decision to play. Yeah,
I would think that should I think that would That's
not one no, but I look, I I think he
wants I like my reading to remember last year she
she said, oh, he's She basically said he's had concussions

(01:04:30):
that weren't reported. Then this year she said they don't
really appreciate him. Like, look, I don't. I'm not saying
she's the Yoko Ono, but she's Look, she's also a supermodel.
She's used to being treated completely differently than the rest
of the world, and when she sees treatment that's normal
for jock treatment, but completely abnormal for superstar treatment. She's like, YEO,

(01:04:52):
hold on, I don't even want him playing. It's bad
for your brain. I want to spend more time around.
I mean, he he's wanting to go play football all
with the guys. Uh, they treat him, treat him better.
I I think she has a bigger portion to put
bigger portion in this discussion than most people give your credit. Well,
I I'm on her side. I think you know, to me,
if he want chose to quit tomorrow would be him

(01:05:13):
as really logical. He gets out when he's got his
apparently got his capacity. Uh, you know, as far as
we know, we don't know for sure what's going to
happen to him. And he's or sixty two whether he's
going to be exempt from all this or not. And
he likes to think he is. You know, he's into
this te beachwelve, which even includes some nonsense about you
know you can you can will yourself out of this,
or you do whatever procedur. He thinks you can avoid

(01:05:36):
brain injury. And and you know, until some clown takes
a shot at him, we'll see. But um, yeah, he's
he's changed over the years. He's certainly not the guy
that we first knew. He's got into this whole way
of life is completely evolved into something that was far
far different than the kid that came out of Michigan
and included the fruiting, marrying a much a supermodel. Um,

(01:05:57):
it's all different. And let's face it, he's coming off
a year when it was an m v P and
he five h three yards and lose the Super Bowl
because of him, and uh so, it's it's it's it's complicated. Actually,
I agree. Bob Bryan. Check out his Boston podcast. He's
sportswriter Americus for the Boston Globe. Also on the Sports
Reporters podcast with Mitch Album and Mike Lupaca. Fall on

(01:06:19):
Twitter at Globe Bob Bryan, Bob, great to catch up
on the phone. Let's do so in person very soon.
Thanks for being our guest. That's fine, welcome, bye bye.
Let's get to Deb Carson, another absolute legend and find
out what dev has been cooking with what he got.
Thank you. Doug stan Van Gunny out as head coach
and the president of basketball ops for the Pistons after

(01:06:39):
four seasons. ESPN is reporting that those will now be
two separate jobs, with Brent Berry a strong candidate for
the front office. Post Baseball news Dr James Andrews has
determined the Giants pitcher Johnny Queto has a strained elbow,
but he could avoid surgery if he'll just rest. Needs
to rest though at least six to eight weeks. Tennis
news Novak Djokovic in his return from an elbow injury

(01:07:01):
one his first round tennis match at the Madrid Open.
NFL News the Saints of release tight end Kobe Fleaner.
Pro Football Talk says the NFL Players Association has filed
a grievance for free agent Eric Read against the Bengals
and some other teams based on pre employment questions about
his plans to demonstrate during the anthem. And finally, Giants
quarterback Eli Manning will return for his fifteenth NFL season.

(01:07:24):
He joined a group of New York fans on Big
Blue United as he reflected on his own career and
was asked about playing in different cities around the league,
and he cited Philly as being one of the most
unique because he took a little while to get used
to Philly, but it's because like you're not used to
seeing like a nine year old, you know, kind of
like cursing at you and like, you know, talking about
my mom and stuff. So just so he wants to

(01:07:46):
get used to that, and it's like, it's it's fine.
This takes a year or two. And he did go
on to add that that nine year old is now
probably twenty four and teaching his own four year old
how to curse it. Eli amazing, it's a great sound.
Great sound. Um, wait, help me out with the Eric
Read lawsuit. Yeah, Eric Read. You know, he was one
of the first players to kneel alongside Colin Kaepernick, you know,

(01:08:06):
year before last when he started protesting the national anthem
uh and when he became a free agent after the
end of this season. His claim is that he met
with some teams and was asked about his plans to
demonstrate in the future. And you know, he's still a
free agent. He hasn't been picked up, even though you know,
he was a pro bowler one of the first years
in the league. So he has filed a grievance against

(01:08:28):
the Bengals and some other teams. He also had filed
a grievance last week, a collusion grievance against the NFL
for the same reason. Yeah. The problem is the problem
with the collusion argument is he was asked by individual
teams that that that doesn't help him with collusion exactly.
They're they're like, look, we we want to make our
own decision. You gotta just answer the question how he answered,

(01:08:49):
And look, they don't. This is that people who don't
understand freedom of speech. You have freedom of speech, you
are not free from repercussion, exactly as the Dixie Chicks.
Dixie Chicks is a perfect, perfect example, has a great
Dixie Takes is a perfect example. Could not have been
a bigger country music group. And then because they made
comments about then President George Bush wall overseas being embarrassed

(01:09:12):
to be Texans because we had launched the Second Iraqi War, right, Um,
they were, you know, people would not play them on
country on country radio. They couldn't sell out concert venues,
the arena and stadium and they couldn't and they basically
went into kind of like active retirement because of it. Look,
you have the freedom of speech, but we have the

(01:09:34):
freedom not hire you. Yeah, and freedom of speech, by
the way, is only protected protecting you against being incarcerated
for that speech. Not against losing employment and not against
losing money. It's it's a it's a it's it's it's
so easy, it's so complex, and it's something that is
so often missed by by many, like, hey, I got
freedom of speech, Yes, you do. What you do not

(01:09:55):
have is you're not free from repercussion, especially in a
place in which you work when it's a corp ratio
went business. And look you when you need people to
sponsor your team and they're not comfortable with your political affiliation,
your political leading, or even your former protests like I
can't help yet, well, especially when they are a business
and they are likely to face repercussions potentially from the

(01:10:17):
fans that you are infuriating, right then, Look and I
and I actually think that there's a there's a much
smaller group than uh than then we sometimes credit that
that are really infuri I've never turned off a TV
set because of a protest. I don't care, or an
award show. It's like the award show. I gotta tell you, Okay,

(01:10:40):
I'll point this out. Look, I did not vote for
this president. Okay. I am bothered by many things he said,
many things he's tweeted, not all the things he done
have have bothered me. Okay, but some of the things
you said, some of the things he's done have really
bothered me. And I didn't vote for him. I was
bothered by I'm trying to think which award show was
was a Grammy's when it's like, look, I get it,

(01:11:01):
you guys all don't like Trump, but this is not
really helping right. No one who voted for Trump is
ever going to watch your show ever, because it's just
every different person like got it, noted moving on here
to appreciate the music. And I think there is a
group of sports fans that are like that, and the
numbers would would prove out as much but more than
anything like Look, if you're Eric read and just say hey, look, uh,

(01:11:22):
you know, people have said they don't want us to
If you say I want to keep protesting, fine say that,
but apparently he has not. He has not said exactly
what he wants to do. Secondly, there are other forms
of protests. There are other ways in which you can
affect positive change. If you say, look, I'm let me
react to the fact that most people in the league
are telling us not to do this. I'm not gonna

(01:11:43):
do it. But what I will do is I will
do this outside of work at this outside it will
not affect my time at work, but I'll defend look
I I also I'm also somebody who and I understand
that as a woman deb this you may greatly disagree.
But like, one of the things that's really hard for
people who do hire is you you can't ask women

(01:12:04):
if they're gonna have children, if they're married, etcetera. But
to me, it's one of those things which could create
a better, a more equal playing field for equal pay
because one of the things that holds back some places
from hiring women is and I don't know if I
want to hire this woman. I know she's about to
get married. It's about to get married, she's gonna have kids.
If she has kids, she's gonna take maternity leave, and
then she's not gonna return to work. That's a real

(01:12:25):
legitimate but you can't actually even ask a woman like
what are your plans? Do you plan to leave work?
Do you plan take maternity leave? Do you plan to say?
You don't have to. I don't have to hold you
to that, but it's very complicated what you can and
can't ask. And I don't know the legalities of it,
but I'm guessing you can ask somebody if they're going
to have a protest on a football field before a

(01:12:46):
football game while playing for your football team. I'm guessing that,
uh uh, that that's a that's a legal question to ask,
and that that also proves that there's no conclusion a clue.
So I don't know, it can be interesting, Yeah, no, absolutely,
And and again, the Seahawks were planning on bringing Kaepernick

(01:13:07):
in and basically he didn't. He told them he didn't
really have a plan as far as what his future
was with the protests and everything, and they basically, you know,
they called off the trip and they said, hey, listen,
we still want to bring you in, but we need
to know how you're going to handle this before we
bring you in. That doesn't mean that we're not going
to bring you in if you decide you're going to protest,

(01:13:27):
We just need to have a plan in place. Yeah. Now,
his people, his people say that's not how it exactly
how it went down, but whatever that The point is.
The people also say he was never offered a contract period,
But then there are other sources who say he was
offered backup money at some point and turn that down.
You know what. The biggest problem calling Kaepernick, we haven't
exactly Yeah, like, look, you are the face of this movement,

(01:13:50):
and there's there actually and I was really, I'll be
honest with you, I was really bothered by the way
in which he started the things that he said, not
just the socks or the shirt, but but saying, hey,
look there's murderers walk in the street, you know, be
that are cops like use these words, you know, modern
day slave catchers like you use these words, and they
are forever going to be held against you. There are

(01:14:11):
a lot of good police officers and a lot of
these stories that you're simply reading on Facebook and you
don't know the entirety of the story. There is some
legitimacy too. There are cops that step out of line
and they should be punished. Um. But I was really
on the other hand, it it changed and he started
to do some really good works with his own money,

(01:14:33):
and he started to try and affect positive change throughout communities.
The problem is, we haven't. There's been no moment to
which Colin Kaepernick has sat down, and he could on
any any plenty time he calls people at Fox. We'll
have somebody sit down with them. He calls people at CBS.
They'll sit down with ESPN. You damn right, they'll sit
down with sixty minutes. He has done none of that,

(01:14:54):
and while why he can say like, look, that's not
how I want to do it. If if you really
want to play football, okay, if you want to be
the real face of change, you can. He has power
and he can use it, and he can affect change,
and he can be the spokesperson for Hey, I think, policeman,
we should do the X, Y and Z. I think

(01:15:15):
that schools should do X, Y and Z. I think
the NFL should do X, Y and Z. But he
has not. Instead, we hear reports from his people, reports
from teams. Nobody wants to grab the microphone and simply
say hey, I'm Colin Kaepernick and here's the deal. Anyway, sorry,
I will tell you this. I can't believe we're still
talking about Colin Kaepernick. He hasn't played football in a

(01:15:38):
year and we are still and look, people still care,
still care. Thanks deep deb Carson. The road ahead is
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Kobe Bryant, surefire first ballot, Hall of Famer, winner of
five NBA titles, couple of MVP Awards. He joined Chris

(01:16:46):
and Karen this past weekend on Fox Sports Radio. He
had this to say about Ben Simmons. Just aesthetically, you know,
I would say, just build that thing a new you know. Uh,
But you know, I don't think the game down to that.
But I think at a fundamental level, um, being able
to get open off the ball is what did a mint?

(01:17:07):
I mean, they just tried to pop free for the ball,
and in that situation you can't do that. You gotta
put your body on your defender, you gotta hold them off,
and now you gotta pop to the ball. And those
are just basic fundamental things. But those little fundamental things
are with cost teams, playoff wins series and eventually championships. Um.
So it's those little fundamental things that you really got
to focus on from day one and training camp because

(01:17:29):
if you lose sight of that, you know that it
comes back to haunt you. Man. And in the league
and an NBA, it tends to be overlooked, right, but
Phil never overlooked that stuff, like we would do basic things.
He's right. I was with the Lakers in in their
mini camps and in summer league, and they did do
a lot of basic things. Pivoting daily cutting daily, passing daily.

(01:17:52):
I mean a lot of that is text winner, who
of course is the godfather of the triangle offense. But
what I thought you heard from Kobe at the in
with something we started the show talking about. In the playoffs,
it's about little things in the post. In the regular season,
it's about big things, right. The regular season is about
how much talent you you have, It's about how health
you are, how motivated you are big things. In the playoffs,

(01:18:16):
it becomes about little things, getting open, specific angles, plays
for specific situations, the right you know, changing your substitution
patterns for just the right moment. And to that, Kobe
Is could not have been anymore right. Phil Jackson's gonna
go down because the last thing we saw from Phil
Jackson was the debacle in New York. I think it's

(01:18:39):
gonna diminish just how incredible he was. Eleven NBA titles.
Kobe couldn't win before, couldn't win a title before Phil
coached him, and then when Phil left, they couldn't win
a title until Phil came back. Same thing for Michael
Jordan's Every great player needs a great coach who can
handle their ego and can prepare them for the little

(01:18:59):
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Ben Roethlisberger said this weekend about Mason Rudolph. So, Mason

(01:19:21):
Rudolph said a third round draft pick, Oklahoma State graduate
who was taken by the Pittsburgh Steelers. He and James
Washington great one two combination playing for Oklahoma State. So
Ben Roethlisberger this past weekend said he was a little
surprised that they took Mason Rudolph in the third took
a quarterback in the third round, and he's like, look,

(01:19:41):
I don't know Mason. I've heard only good things. But hey,
we want to win. We want to win now. I
thought we'd get somebody would help us win now, Like
Ben Roethlsberg got a lot of balls, man, for a
guy who's who's in the past threatened to retire, and
for a guy who never plays a full season because
he's always got some sort of injury. Like I think

(01:20:02):
Ben is good, I don't think he's as good as
he used to be. Um, But for Ben Roethlisberger too,
to an open microphone, a kid who he hadn't met,
who just coming in to kind of learn, and he
has the the that's called the year. His term as
klitzba it means nerve balls gall if you will. And

(01:20:25):
I'm not sure Mason Rudolph's ever a starting quarterback. He's
a little bit stiff, he doesn't have uh he has
kind of small hands for a man his size. Does
throw a beautiful deep ball and is a great is
a great dude. But to say that, uh yeah, that's
that's but that's who Ben Roethlsberger really is. That that's

(01:20:47):
Ben Roethlisberger is everything you think he is. Remember two
years ago in the off season, you know, I just
don't know if I want to come back. Like that's
big Ben wanting attention. This is big Ben wanting attention. Hey,
you know what, Ben, you could actually just play better
in bigger games. That's what you could do. He didn't

(01:21:08):
like Todd Haley. Good, Todd Haley is out. Let's see
how you do you thought you might want to retire.
You didn't retire. Let's see how you do. It doesn't
mean he's not It doesn't mean mean he's wrong. It
just means he's not right to say it. And by
the way, to help you in now, how many more
offensive weapons can you actually get? You got plenty? You

(01:21:32):
got plenty. Um, we mentioned the big things and the
little things. One team has done the little things, the
other one does the big and that's why the little
is beating the big things in the NBA playoffs. There's
just a difference. We'll discuss it next to the Doug
Gotlip Show, What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um,

(01:21:55):
what you do last is going to be remembered most, right,
what you do last is going to be remember most
And I think it's gonna be fascinating to see what
happens how we remember Lebron, how ah, how he goes down,
Because what's gonna happen is we're going to remember what
he's done last, Like he's hit two shots here in

(01:22:17):
the playoffs and not grant you there against the Pacers,
they're against the Raptors. But you can't argue with his
greatness is dominance, especially late in games making those two shots.
The crazy part is he actually hasn't for the most part,
scored well late in the fourth quarter because he's out
of gas, because he's been carrying the team the first
three quarters. We did hit two huge game winners tie

(01:22:39):
games in both the last two rounds, and so now
you're like, well, Lebron, he just hits big shots, Like well,
that's not who he's been his whole career. But we
remember what you do last most, we do, you know,
we we remember that it's our Our memory is of

(01:23:01):
of Kareem abdul Jabar were of Kaream over the hill,
still making sky hooks but magic and worthy, and Byron
Scott carrying him to his last championship. We remember Larry
Bird more bad back Larry Bird than we do Larry
Bird when he first and the league completely turning around
the Celtics and making them NBA champions for NBA Finals

(01:23:25):
contestants year after year after year. We remember Brett Farve
for um, remember Brett Farve for all of what happened
with the Jets with the side on reporter and frankly

(01:23:45):
made a little bit of getting begged out of retirement,
his last season, his last season, the interception against the Saints.
Some of the other stuff of Brett Farve is incredible,
Bob Knight, we remember how it ended Indiana, some of
Texas Tech and how Grouchy was on TV, Like these
are incredible athletes coaches, but we remember what happened last.

(01:24:09):
It's working the opposite for Lebron James because now he's
making big shots. We're like, oh, he's been awesome all along, Like, no,
he actually hasn't been good in key moments, Like even
when you go back to when he had on a
forty one or whatever against the Warriors Game seven, he
he didn't make the big shot. Kyrie Irvan made the

(01:24:30):
big shots. He made a great block. He's been He's
great at reaction plays. Lebron is one of those he's
too smart for his own good. He's really smart. But
sometimes when you're really smart, you start to overthink things,
and he overthinks his shot. So gonna be fascinating to
see what happens. How we view Lebron James because he

(01:24:52):
was not Michael Jordan's Here's what people forget when Michael
Jordan Earler in his career couldn't win a title. It
was because he tried to do it all himself. He
get double t men, get a triple team. He just
try and do it all and stuff. And the Jordan's
rules were, hey, let's make make you know, make Jordans
pay for every drive, double team him, make him pass
the balls. He won't do it. And they kept losing

(01:25:13):
the Pistons until they started run the triangle, trusting teammates,
got better teammates and the rest. As they say his history, Um,
but there's big things and little things. There's regular season
and there's postseason. Some managers are awesome for just getting

(01:25:33):
you through it. You have this in your job, right.
Some guys are great managers at work. Then it comes
to the big presentation and no bueno. Right. The day
to day stuff they're awesome with. But when the big
bosses come to town, everybody's gotta sit down. You gonna
stand up and give him presentation like yeah, in in

(01:25:57):
in college sports, um, sometimes there are guys that are great.
Coach Oh, great recruiter, go home, maybe holy maybe any
I don't want what I was saying, right, Coach Oh
is a great recruiting, a great dude and just man,
everybody loves coach Oh, but in the fourth quarter against Alabama,
Saban versus Coach Oh, like, who's going in that one? Right,

(01:26:21):
who's gonna Who's gonna win that one? You can read
juvenate a program with a recruiter. You can get yourself
competitive in all those games. But man, is different. When
you get to big game football. You can't just waste downs.
You can't just waste going forward on fourth or fake
punting because you're fake punted. It takes a level of

(01:26:44):
refinement and we're seeing that with coaches in the NBA.
I get this all the time, man le A. You know,
coach in the NBA, no coaching in the NBA, and
no defense in the NBA are often the same guy.
Neither could be further from the truth. But the coaching
and the regular season the coaching in the postseason are different.
Regular season, you're coaching big things, attitude, competitiveness, sharing the ball, rotations, depth, overall,

(01:27:13):
feeling coming to work, being a professional, All these things
hugely important. You get to the postseason, you're no longer
coaching effort. Right, everybody should want to win and does
want to win. Now, show us how put us in position.
Give us, give me an inbounce play that gets me

(01:27:33):
two extra points, because that can be the difference. Get
me one play here or one play there, and it
couldn't be any more obvious. Then the Raptors Celtics series, like, look,
Terry Rosier is playing above his level. Of course he is.
He's not a game guy playing with incredible stuffing. Some

(01:27:55):
of that's Brad, some of that's just Terry Rogier in
this moment. Some of it is the matchup of going
against the Philadelphia seventies sixers, but in key situations and
in bounce plays, Dwayne Casey's got Kyle Lowry taking the
ball in bounds. Kyle Lowry is like my size against
six seven, six eight guys couldn't get the bond balancing

(01:28:16):
game one, whereas Brad Stevens, you've given out of balance
play like that's a bucket. Now he's got you spit now,
he's got you all screwed up right. One time against
the against the sixers, they switch, They start switching everything right,
so he gets a guy in a slip and gets
a layup. Then they start denying everything. He brings everybody

(01:28:39):
out and throws a little lob and they lay the
ball in. This is one of those deals to which,
if you're the Sixers head coach, next time, he go,
why don't we just play zone? Then we don't have
to we don't have to worry about plays, just worry
about areas. Let's play zone. You know you can't play zone. Yeah,
zone admits we can't guard you, but at least admits
what everybody else knows can't guard you place. So I

(01:29:03):
think that the regular season coaching is about motivation. Brad
shown he can do that, Dwayne Dwyne Casey shown he
can do that. Mike bood Noser shows showed he could
do that. Post seasons by the little things, and some
of it's about talent. You just got better players, but
the ability to win with inferior talent because your head
coach gives you an opportunity here, an opportunity. Those are

(01:29:24):
little things as postseason coaching, postseason managing. You know, Tony
Russa would overdo it some, but it was there was
a reason why he would do it. He pulled just
the right string at just the right moment, and it
worked out more times than not. I mean, look, Tonio

(01:29:47):
Russa didn't win the World Series against the Dodgers back
when he's with the A's, But having Dennis seccurasly in
the game was the right call. You had a guy
who nobody thought could walk, people didn't think could play,
and could barely move up there against the best closer
in baseball in in in like the last decade when

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having them double in the backcourt and you can say, like, well,
we told him to double, Like no, no, you tell
somebody to double team and Lebron starts bringing the ball
up the court and Kevin loves right next to him.
You need to scream double him, or if your call
is red or blue or black, your whole team should

(01:30:50):
be screaming it. They did. Lebron James took the ball
and dribbled eighty feet and shot a ball like you
can't unmolested eighty feet Like. That's not good defense, that's
not good planning process more than a result. The result
was hey made a tough shot fading out of bounds.
But if you've seen every jump shot Lebron has ever

(01:31:11):
made in a key situation, if you notice he's always
moving to his left, right handed guys most of them,
Kobe is an exception, Jordan's exception, Chris Paul is an exception.
Most of them like to go to their right. Most
of them like to go to their left to shoot
the ball. Yes, uh, yes, right. Is it too simple
to just say anyone can take that shot except for

(01:31:32):
Lebron or or even if you have like three guys
on him and he just elevates and completely shoots over them.
It's crazy to me that you can see that situation
and he ends up with the ball in his hands,
and then Lebron ends up hitting the game winning shot.
And he's known for passing like I would want anyone
else on that Cavaliers team taking the shot, so that

(01:31:53):
the best player on the court at that time doesn't
have a chance to beat me. Um. Look, I just
I think it's basketball one on one is you can't
let Lebron not you try and not him catch the ball.
But in that situation, I mean, when you know him
catch the ball. Secondly, it was a perfect set up

(01:32:14):
for it, right Kevin Loves back there in the back court, Like,
make Kevin Love bring the ball up to court. You
figured out as you go that there's no way in
their plan. Did the Cleveland Cavaliers go all right, here's
the deal. We're gonna throw to the Brown. He's gonna
throw it to Kevin, and Kevin's gonna make a play
that was not discussed in the time out. Who's not discussed? Um,

(01:32:38):
So it's not just that anyone else should be taking
that shot. It's the whole how we got eight seconds
is a lifetime. That is a lifetime, And this is
not Lebron dribbles down. Now you double team help comes
he kicks out for jump shoot. I'm telling you when
he gets in the back court, if if nothing else,

(01:32:59):
you double him and you make him fight or run
to try and get it back. Because Kevin Love would
have been seriously uncomfortable with the basketball bringing it up.
At that point time, head coach of Notre Dame Brian
Kelly joins the show. They were down and out two
seasons ago, then a resurgence season this year. I want
to ask him about that. I also want to ask

(01:33:20):
him about losing a quarterback last year. Even though he said, hey, man,
you should come back for one more year. Does he
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(01:33:44):
Nine wins in the regular season. What a turnaround season
was for Notre Dame. Brian Kelly will join us a moment.
He's the head coach Notre Dames. Doug Gotli show, Fox
Sports Radio, take some of your calls, your comments eight
seven seven six three six nine eight seven seven ninety
nine on Fox. I still got some baseball thoughts for you.
Got more thoughts on the Warriors and Kevin Durant. How

(01:34:04):
we seem to completely and oh yeah, by the way,
the Houston Rogers, M right, I was right, And then
I was wrong, and then I was right. I was
right about Utah. No, Ricky Rubio, They're not really competitive
at the top of the league. It's a cool story,
but they got exposed as as as such, we'll get
to that upcoming. Let's let's welcome in Brian Kelly. You

(01:34:25):
go a year back and you would have said Notre
Dames in bad shape. They Uh. Brian Kelly joins in
the Doug Gallash, your coach. You made a bunch of
changes to your program and you know, at its worst
year and a half ago get four win season, did
you do you think you're gonna have to go elsewhere? No, No,

(01:34:47):
I knew that changes needed to be Babe. It started
with me and taking full responsibilities for a four and
eight season. Starts with the head coach, and UM had
to make some tough decisions. Um. But I think most
of it for me was that the foundation had been laid.
We had an undefeated season, we had ten win season
in fifteen, so I knew the changes would get us

(01:35:11):
right back on track. And it ended up, you know,
showing it that it did. But some of the people
you had to fire with your friends like you know
and that those are those are And I understand that's
what goes along with the position. That's it goes along
with the business. But what what is that like emotionally
for you to go through that? No, it's difficult, I
mean especially um, you know where most of it was.

(01:35:33):
If I did a better job of communicating what the
expectations were, UM probably wouldn't have put them in that
kind of position. So UM, it's very difficult when you
have to make those kinds of moves, especially when they're
close to you and the families are close. And Uh,
again I think UM for me more than anything else,
it was just a patter of UM making sure we

(01:35:54):
got things put back together. All right. So how did
this spring season go in comparison to last year? Well,
I think we're so much further along. The staff has continuity,
even though we lost our defensive coordinating Mike Gelco Parkley
was with us. Uh and we're running the same system.
Our guys have been in three different defensive systems, so

(01:36:16):
it was important to maintain that continuity. Brandon Winbush Um
has taken the next step in his development. Uh, And
I think it's you know, like I said, you know,
last year there were a lot of moving pieces. I
think continuity and change met together is the best way
to put a program back where it needs to be.
I think we've got that continuity. Now. You mentioned wind Bush.

(01:36:37):
Obviously he's a tremendous athlete and he's got some leadership skills.
It was it was consistent consistency in terms of throwing.
How much of that is confidence? How much of that
is his skill refinement and and and how much of
that is just hey, look he's got to do it
over time, see you know, see live bullets. You said
he's improved a lot. What part of his game has

(01:36:57):
improved the most. Well, it's never one thing, right, it's
it's usually mental and physical um And he's improved from
a mental standpoint being the quarterback at Notre Dame. As
you know, Doug, it's it's bright lights, right, it's a
non Broadway show, and sometimes you got to avoid the noise,
and and maybe the noise got to him a little bit.

(01:37:18):
So I think he's certainly matured from that standpoint. I
think he approaches it mentally in a better uh frame
of mind. And then mechanically, you know, he was he
was not accurate. He wasn't throwing strikes as he will.
In terms of the analogy, Um, he's got a live arm,
but he couldn't he couldn't get the ball across the plate.
So mechanically working on those things in the off season

(01:37:39):
has put him in a position now to be the
kind of elite quarterback that we think he is. All Right,
you lose McGlinchey, you lose Nelson to just dominant players.
I mean, two guys who when you watch the highlights,
they just man handled guys. Um. But it's something that
for people who are kind of outside of watching Notre
Dame football. You guys have recruited an unbelievable depth in
that offensive line, um and and it. But how how

(01:38:03):
hard is it to recruit that those type of elite
players in the middle. Well, we've been real fortunate, Doug.
I mean, we've got a tradition now first round picks
on the offensive line. So from a recruiting standpoint, you're
looking at you know, Zack Martin, who was the first
rounder with the Cowboys in All Pro, Ronnie Stanley, who's
the starting left tackle for for the raven Nick Martin,

(01:38:25):
Zack's brother, starting center for the Texans. Just in the
last four years, So that obviously resonates with the degree
from Notre Dame and then keeping the dream alive if
you're an offensive lineman. Um, with that kind of run
of first round picks, Um, we're going to continue to
get those kids to come to Notre Dame. You know
how it works as a coach. If you say you

(01:38:45):
don't think of players ready and they overachieve, well we
call you an idiot, right. But if you say, hey,
I don't think a guy is ready and the kid
achieves exactly has some of the same struggles you thought
would happen, no one ever goes hey, coach Kelly. I'll
give you credit. You hauled it before it happened. Deshaun
Kais was somebody who look, I thought you were. I
thought you were. Critique of him was that of somebody

(01:39:07):
who's coached him, who that is something who knows him. Hey, look,
there's some things he's got to work on. Do you
feel vindicated? What's what's the emotion that you feel, considering
he did struggle and was thrust into due to his
rookie year and probably would have been a first round
draft pick had he come back and he played for
you one more season. Yeah, No. I mean, Deshaun and
I have had this conversation many times, and one of

(01:39:29):
the great things about our relationship is that we're honest
with each other. And I told his family and I
told him that I thought it would be in his
best interest to come back. Um. But after the decision
had been made, UM, I was aent with Deshaun and
making sure that you know, he was given all the
resources necessary to be a high draft pick. Now he

(01:39:49):
went to Cleveland, he was thrown into the fire. Um,
it wasn't the best situation for him, but unfortunately, you know,
it didn't it didn't go the way he wanted. I
think he's in a great situation now at Green Bay.
He gets to learn from one of the great veteran
quarterbacks and Aaron Rodgers, and um, yeah, it was a
tough year form but I think he's better for it. Um.

(01:40:12):
But I don't feel vindicated. I mean, I think it
was just more of me being honest with de Shan.
And when I was asked the question, I just, uh,
I gave him what my thoughts were. Well, will that
be your same response with future quarterbacks? You know, because
like I personally I like it, But I come from
a you know, coaching family where you know, I like,
you get praise only when it's completely and totally do it.

(01:40:33):
Even sometimes then you don't get praise. I just wonder
if it's you have to do in the future the
public thing and support him and then privately be more
be candid as you normally are with him. Yeah. I
think a lot of same stuff that I do. I
have to go back and reassess, um, handling myself on
the sideline when there's a camera on you all the time.
I've made those changes in my career. Um. And and

(01:40:56):
sometimes you just there's there's a better place to to
maybe a those things because I don't want him interpret
it as I'm not a supporter of Dashaun. I was
as big as supporter. Um. But yeah, I think you
learned from those things and sometimes they're better not said publicly.
And um that's probably another instance. So no, I don't
think you'll see me talking about No. I will take

(01:41:17):
credit on h mcglinchy and Nelson. I told him to
come out perfect perfect. Um. I don't know how many
people listen. I know it's a ways off of Evans,
but you living in South Bend, everyone I'm sure is
talking about the fact that shape Patterson eligible. You open
the season with Michigan. How different does that make spring football?
Knowing that the next time you're gonna you're gonna, you know,

(01:41:39):
have have a real football game on on that sacred ground,
it's going to be the team from the North and
and they're coming in with thoughts and aspirations of not
just beating you, but winning a big ten and competing
for a national title. Yeah, it gets everybody's attention. Uh,
there's no doubt. I mean, we're not opening up with
one double a opponent. Uh at Michigan. Everybody knows that

(01:42:02):
our players know it. Um. So I think that where
you see it the most is in these off season
when the coaches aren't around. Um, it really changes the
accountability level of your players. And so um, they're they're
finishing up exams this week, they'll have the month of
May kind of off, if you will, and they get
back in June, and I know, I know that the

(01:42:24):
workouts will be spirited knowing that Michigan is the opener. Man,
you go to Blacksburg this year, you got France Florida
State coming in with DeAndre francois back and we got
just a loaded schedule. Can't wait to see your team. Now, Uh,
this afternoon, this evening, you have UM, your Kelly Cares
Foundation has a big gala get together. UM and UH,
now now what is the money that's donated to go to?

(01:42:46):
So we have three pillers, help education and community. My
wife's a two time cancer survivor, so the second time
she beat it, UM, we said we want to do something, UM,
and we began our foundation when we're in Sannatty. We're
in our tenth year. This is our anniversary, ten year
anniversary for the foundation. Tonight's gala here in New York. UM,

(01:43:08):
and we're honoring David Robinson. UM. Certainly an iconic figure
in NBA basketball, but his son uh played for me,
so Cory will induct him tonight, UH into our Honoree
Hall of Fame. We'll also have Brady Quinn for the
work that he does with veterans. And UH Katie Parsigian

(01:43:30):
Um the Air of Parsigian Foundation. We're honoring the Parsigian family.
So just a great night. We raised about a million
dollars last year here in New York, and we're here
at the request of uh of Regis Shilpin. He said, coach,
you gotta take this gale into New York City. So
this is our tenth year in New York and it's
been great. I was on Notre Dame's first We won

(01:43:51):
our first Big East basketball game. This is in six
at the Garden. We beat St. John's and we get
done and we're all, so why do we go in
the locker room with the Garden And here comes you know,
Regius not to Dame. The energy just he's he's a
he's an incredible guy. I know that markol Varro is
going to be there, justin Tuck, Jeremy Bloom and look,
this is great. Stuff is an incredible story, as you know,

(01:44:14):
um and and he will be uh you know obviously
one of the the he's gonna induct h Brady Quinn.
So it's it's just gonna be a great night. Look,
it's it's remarkable what you've done with the program. I
I completely understand the immense amount of pressure. Plus you've
had all the off the field stuff, the personal stuff
that that only you share during this time, with the

(01:44:34):
things you've gone through with your wife. This is great
in terms of raising money for other people for their
health concerns. In the meantime, enjoy some of this time
this summer, because it's gonna be a hell of a fall.
Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me. I'm really appreciated.
Pleasures mind coach coach Brian Brian Kelly joining us live
in New York City here on the Doug Gotli Show.
Let's get you to Deb Carson find out what else
going on the world of sports steps Well, we've got

(01:44:56):
a couple of potential clothes out games, both on the
ice and the NBA har would On the ice, Capitals
and Penguins go at it at seven Eastern Game six
in Pittsburgh with Washington leading the Penguins three games to two.
Winnipeg leads Nashville three games to two. Jets can close
it out. They take on the Preds nine thirty Eastern
on the hardwood. Celtics get underway top of the hour
and early six Eastern tip off in the Eastern Conference

(01:45:19):
semi's Game four at Philly with Boston leading at Philadelphia
three games to none, and then Lebron James and the
Cavaliers tip off eight thirty Eastern tonight on t NT
Cleveland leads the Raptors three zip. Also some news earlier,
Today's stan Van Gundy out as the Pistons head coach
and president of basketball operations four seasons for that relationship. Evidently,

(01:45:40):
the two duties will result in two separate jobs for
Pistons this time around. According to ESPN Baseball News, Dr
James Andrews is determined that Giants pitcher Johnny Queto has
a strained elbow. He could avoid surgery, however, if he
is a good boy and rest that for six to
eight weeks. And some NFL news, we know Cowboys tied
end j Sin Witten walked away from his playing career

(01:46:01):
to join Monday Night Football as an analyst. Joe Testa
Tore will reportedly take over play by play duties. Lisa
Salters is the lone returning member of the crew as
the sideline analyst, but Doug in a report from the Athletic,
we now know that Monday Night Football will be adding
a field analyst is first ever field analyst. Longtime NFL
defensive lineman Booger McFarland taking over in that capacity. BG

(01:46:25):
Booger and don't want to leave a Booger hanging. That's
a big thing. Never they don't want to leave a
booger hanging. That's that's that's that's why I I heard
that news. Thanks top heard that news last week and
I was like, oh, that's that's kind of different. Remember
Fox used to have Tony saragossoh kind of did the
goose kind of the same thing that uh goose was
funnier than Booger, who I think will give you some
good insight. Um, Look the Witten thing, he's obviously Bright's cowboy.

(01:46:49):
I'll be fashioning to see how he does. Joe Tess
is great. Um. The interesting part for Joe Tess is
he's a fabulous play by play guy and a really
good college football play by play guy in terms of
setting up the big story, the big moment. I'll be
intrigued to see how that translates to the NFL. The
pacing is very different. It's it's a different way of
calling it. Um. But Joe tell, I mean you were

(01:47:11):
talking about it, dude. I did a game with Joe
tests Man. This is like twelve years ago or so,
like he was mostly doing boxing, just a couple of
basketball games, and now he's that's one of the three
or four biggest jobs on Earth and in uh in
sports play by play. Great dude, great dude. So happy
for all and interesting that Booger gets the few they

(01:47:33):
do the field analysts, which is cool. You know, it's
a different way of doing it where he can tell
you what's what's going on on the field, where you
have Witten's watching up top. I still think they're missing
a coach's perspective, wouldn't wouldn't surprise me if the right
coach retires, where the right coaches fired in the coming years,
if they don't add one. Yes, So Lisa Saltiers does,

(01:47:55):
like if someone's injured, that type of inside Stephen the
and Booger watch you do, like plays that happened in
his insight on what just happened in the play or
what's the difference between the two field reporters. Um, Well, again,
one's a reporter, so she'll she also do stories at
Lisa will do stories. You know, the ESPN does a
really good job of that where they'll you know, this

(01:48:16):
guy's wife, this guy did you know? And and have interviews,
but mostly she'll do pregame interview, U up, injury updates,
halftime interview, injury updates, game a final postgame interview, Booger
will do. Hey, let's go down the field and find
out Booger seeing you know, what do you see from

(01:48:36):
the defensive? Probi see from the offense? I would guess,
and some of it I think they'll just figure out
as they go. You know, some games are gonna be
you'll go down to him a bunch, Some games you
won't go down to him as much. So you know, Um,
but Booker is good and not a huge not a
huge name. Great nickname. Your nicknames Booger, Like that's a

(01:48:59):
great nickname. It's so bad it's good. Right, It's like
your nickname being Fats, Like I don't want my nickname
be Fats. Like, yeah, but Fats is a cool Fats Domino.
I'm sure Fats was Like, I don't want to be
Fats Domino. Like, trust me, Fats is memorable. Booger is memorable. Right.
No one's ever been named after flatulence though, no one's
ever been fart anything, right, No one has. Right, there's

(01:49:22):
been people named that nicknamed after Boogers. There are people
nicknamed after I know there's a there's a nickname some
I've heard nicknames guy named Dukie duty Tutti from what that? Yes,
but why did they call or do we ever find
out why they call her tut I will research that,
I will google that. I'm the master of Google. So
I'll be back by. Thank you, Thank your dad for research.

(01:49:45):
By the way, we're discussing facts of life. Zero chance
Ryan Music has any idea. Um, But what I was
gonna say is a good friend of the show Stink
Mark Slayrethry. It's a good point, but stink is not
in regards to flatulence. He's told us that story on error, right,

(01:50:06):
just saying but in terms of smell, smell oriented right,
you're right now, listen, you're right, you're right. Medical Bill Cartwright,
I like that one. I'm sure he liked that one.
But that was that was a nickname, Ramos. Do you
have any nicknames? No, just John, just John, which is

(01:50:27):
actually it's not again, John is not a nickname for Jonathan.
That's just Jonathan shortened. It's it's John Jonathan. It's not Johnny.
It's just John. That's my name on my birth certificate. Ryan.
Do you have a nickname? Not really usually just Brian
or whoa whoa? He said, not really that music people

(01:50:47):
come U by my last name? You have a nickname
outside of music? Absolutely not. Well you're not not balking
now because opening an opening? Yeah, that's it, Okay. I
just didn't know if if you consider calling someone just
simply by their last name, if that counts as a nickname. No,
I don't believe. I don't believe. So it's like Adrian

(01:51:09):
Peterson's nickname is a D or actually is all Day? Right,
A D was, and they called him a D because
it's short for all Day, which is initials. A P
is his initials, and so some people like, oh, a
P a P. Like, that's not that's actually wrong. Lots
of people will get that wrong. It's not one. That's
his initials too. It's not his nickname. Some people's initials

(01:51:29):
can become their kind of nicknames sort of what but nickname.
There's a difference thing what people call me and my nickname.
Nickname is a name to which is not your name
and not your initials. And people magic Johnson Magic is
his nickname, m J is not his nickname. That's his initials, right,
his airness air Jordan's right, that would be better? Yes, yes,

(01:51:54):
so even the actress who played Kim Fields, who played
two D, says she doesn't really know why they called
her that other than because she talked too much. I'm
not sure why why that's two D. Now that that
could be like like I mean, people think of toots
and they think of that's what little kids call farts, right, Yes, yeah,
but I do have a little bit of trivia that

(01:52:16):
I did not know because I was asking the trivia
informancy if I can get okay uh in the Facts
of Life reunion in two thousand one, um, evidently some
of the crew went to visit her and they called
her two D. And she said she now preferred to
be called blank. Wow Wow, wow, w w wow wow.
What is the name with Charlie Brown's teacher? No, that

(01:52:38):
was I'm sorry, that was the match game theme song.
She now preferred to be called. I thought you're doing
I thought you were doing Charlie Brown. She was doing
the match game not sorry, Sadly, I like Dan Buyer,
I also have a huge game show background. But I
actually worked in game shows for a long times. You did. Yes,
My first job out here out of college actually was

(01:53:01):
on the producing staff of Wheel of Fortune. You know,
I gotta ask you. I was watching Will of Fortunately
to night. I was annoying the hell of my wife.
She's reading a new book. I mean, gosh's people being
well read and everything. Um, and I'm watching Will of
Fortune and she's like, do we really still need Vanna?
I go, yes, we do need Vanna. Yes, we absolutely
need her to turn turn over the letter. She's like,

(01:53:22):
couldn't they just point to it and it turns over?
Like don't we need Vinna? Well, here's the thing. When
I worked on the show and I was Vannah standing,
actually that was one of my jobs. But she used
to turn the letters. Now she only touches the letters,
and and we used to joke, and you know, she's
sixty sixty one now, but she we used to joke
that when she was older she would have like an
easy chair with a remote and just click it. You know.
But no, people love love them some Vannah. Of course

(01:53:45):
they do. She will be around forever. She's lovely. She's
like the sweetest person. Really, she's not really, she's not
really a diva. Sincerely didn't come out and out? How
can I work in? Never? I cannot work it anymore? Never, never, Never.
She is still the kindest, sweetest person. I ran into
her a few weeks ago. Sweetest woman on the planet.
Well her on Twitter, She's wow, she's out there. I'm kidding. UM,

(01:54:07):
I have no idea who is who? What is what?
Is Twoti's real name in the show? Dorothy? I prefer
too more memorable name. Uh one, last one, last eighties
nineties show? Three best, three best shows you've ever watched?
Deb Carson, go wow. See mine would go back earlier
because I was a kid during that time. I would

(01:54:28):
say Andy Griffith show. That might be too early in reruns. Obviously. Um.
I was one of the few probably Beverly Hillbillies. Obviously.
I I grew up during really cheesy television, didn't um,
And I liked what was the one? I loved it
so much. I can't remember the name with Alex P. Keaton.

(01:54:48):
Oh um, that's that's one the family ties that everyone right,
Alex Keaton the smallest Republican in the world, right, yes,
very small. He was a very small Republican. He was
a Republican and a Democrat household. It was it was
that was a fascinating He was the Mr Ronald Reagan
was God right? That was That's what I remember. I also,
by the way, have a close I think Happy Days
would probably have to be in that repertoire for me too.

(01:55:10):
M sorry, no, no boys, why sorry? And then Laverne
and surely breaking off from Happy Days right to spinoff
spinoffs for great too and what is It Loves? Not
not a big fan of that one, but Happy Days
definitely there you go. Deb Carson given us some eighties
maybe late seventies and early nineties, early nineties TV tribuate

(01:55:31):
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(01:56:19):
my thoughts on Becky Hammond's interviewing for the Bucks position. Momentarily,
first though, let's get to the press, the press, deb Carson,
what he got, Doug, the raptors and a three oh whole.
And if Cleveland completes the sweep in Toronto is ounceded,
some NBA sex believe Dwayne Casey will be out of

(01:56:40):
a job. Wouldn't stun me? Um, Look, I pointed this out.
I think Dwyne Casey is a really good guy, and
they made kinvin evolution this year in terms of their
ball movement. But it's not to lose to anybody can
lose Lebron James, anybody can lose to a better team.
It's the fact that, uh, some of his in game
decision may has been bad and they've completely abandoned Jonas Valanciunas.

(01:57:04):
He tried benching DeMar de Rosen like he just all
of the moves he's tried to have not worked. But
maybe more than anything, it's going to you know, a
couple of inbounds places where you have the wrong guy
taking a bounds, not double teaming Lebron James, A couple
of things that have to work. That you have to
your process has to be good forget about the result.
And they've been so good in the regular season and

(01:57:26):
and two of the last post season runs have resulted
in first round ousters. Uh. Speaking of ousters, the Pistons
and stan Van Gundy had parted ways after the team
failed to make the playoffs for the second straight season.
Team owner Tom Gorris said in his statements, among other things,
he's grateful to stand for everything he's done for the
Pistons and the city of Detroit, rebuilding the culture, reinstilling

(01:57:48):
a winning attitude, and the Worth Epic, among other things. Well,
what'll be fascinating to see is if you know they
just traded for Blake Griffin, if whoever the new front
offices is all in on Blake Griffin and and DeAndre Gumman,
because you're stuck with those two contracts, and I'm not
sure you can win a title or even compete for
a title with either. Speaking of contracts, Joe Flacco has

(01:58:10):
a big one and the decision of the Ravens to
trade back into the first round of the NFL draft
to select quarterback Lamar Jackson has sent a clear signal
to plenty of people, including one intended recipient, Joe Flacco.
In fact, according to SI dot COM's Peter King, Flacco
has quote gotten the message end quote, especially given his
salary and cap number. I think I said this at

(01:58:34):
the time of the draft, like, look, you may you
may think it's a good thing to intentionally like we're
gonna stoke the fire and take off Joe Flacco. It
can it can easily backfire on you. And you know,
then you could say, well, great, he might have a
great year. He might and then he still only might
want to leave, or he might feel that you didn't

(01:58:54):
believe in him. He might have a terrible year and
you misevaluated Lamar Jackson and thought he was better than
he was. So we'll see. It's a it's a risky proposition.
There's no doubt that Blacko has not performed well up
to his contracts since going to the Super Bowl. Some
of that is knee injuries, some of that is the
lack of weapons around it. Some of that is that's
kind of who Joe Flacco is. He's a twenty two

(01:59:15):
touchdown fourteen interception guy right here. On Fox Sports Radio,
Albert Breer from the MMQV told Jason McIntyre the Browns
were the only team drafting in the top five that
didn't have Sam Donald as their number one quarterback. And
the more the Browns try to tell us, look, everybody wanted,

(01:59:35):
it's everybody like No. All you have to say is
we wanted Baker Mayfield. We evaluate him his best and
that's it. It's all that matters. You're using the eyes
of the beholder, and we we beheld him as a
better prospect than anybody else. You keep trying to convince
us that you made the right pick. It tells me
you're trying to convince yourself. And in an emotional address

(01:59:59):
today at a Eating of the Night Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics,
Kylie Carter, who's a mother reformer Duke star Wendell Carter,
compared the current system of n C double A basketball
to slavery and a prison. Shut up among please shut up,
Please stop talking. Heay, your son, who's a tremendous talent,

(02:00:21):
loved his time at Duke, got into Duke when he
couldn't have gotten in on him. As it's a seventy
five dollar year school. If you don't like it, don't go.
But please don't compare it to slavery, where people were
held and whipped against their will, and poor and and
and forced to perform tasks that nobody would want to perform.

(02:00:42):
Shut up about comparing college athletics to slavery, because it
makes all of us think you're dumb when you're not
really that dumb. That's right, she said. The only other
time when labor does not get paid but someone else
gets profits, and the labor is black and the prophet
is white, is in slavery. Not all bsketball players are black,

(02:01:02):
especially a duke. It out there and pressed by the way, Look,
Becky Hammonds is interviewing for the soth the Bucks job,
and I do think that at some point there will
be new ideas and a new perspective. And the fact

(02:01:22):
that she played in Russia, she played for the Russian
national team, she coached her summer league team. I think
at some point in the league is really pushing this.
But what what you end up doing is you end
up creating such discontent. If she was to get a
job this year, she's the fourth assistant this year, she
was behind the bench this year. It's too big a

(02:01:43):
leap outside of San Antonio. She's in San Antonio, people
think she's boy girl, wonder whatever, and she's going to
be the person, sure, but leap frogging other qualified assistance.
I don't think sits well with people in the league.
I don't think this is the job for her. Ultimately
she'll get one. This Do Gotlip showre but War

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