May 16, 2018 • 45 mins
Doug explains why LeBron James isn’t to blame for their game 2 loss, but he is at fault for the situation they are in. He points out that some Cavaliers players have thrown Tyronn Lue under the bus and why they might be right. NBA Insider Chris Broussard stops by to discuss the Celtics and if they should consider trading Gordon Hayward or Kyrie Irving in the off season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottli Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom Up America, Doug god Leave Show,
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from sunny beautiful Los Angeles,
quite possibly the new home of Lebron James. Will Know
and just over a month. Welcome in. I hope you're
having a great day. Get ready for a great night
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of whoop. Right out of whoop, good day of baseball.
A lot of getaway day games. Can't decide chance I
go to the angel game tonight, UH to see their
bullpen likely blow another game to the Houston Astros, or
stay at home and watch Warriors Rockets part do. I'll
tell you before the show ends what I decide A
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lot of It's gonna depend on the quality of tickets
that I can get for free. Anyway, I hope you're
having a great day. Um. I was thinking about a
way to correlate this with life and I have several
different correlations. But before we get to the real life analogy,
whether it's politics or life or whatever, UM, I want
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to make sure I point this out. Lebron James was
good enough to win last night. Now, while I say
he was good enough to win, you're gonna say, like, look,
he was better than good enough. He had a triple double.
Lebron was not great defensively, and while he had twenty
one at the end of the first quarter, hits seven
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of his first eight shots and came out smoking, absolutely smoking.
I do think it's fair to point out that Lebron
took some bad shots, had some inopportune turnovers, and wasn't
It wasn't perfect, right, it wasn't perfect the entire game,
and like forty two points from Lebron James should be enough.
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It's exactly what we knew he would do. We just
did not know. We didn't know that the uh Celtics
would turn the ball over so little. We didn't know
that there'd be this many defensive breakdowns, this many turnovers,
that spending runouts, that spending layups, or this many made
threes from the Celtics. Boston scores thirty six in the
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third quarter, thirty six, and instead of trailing at half,
they had the lead at the end of the third quarter.
Lebron sits the start the fourth quarter, games relatively even,
and then Boston lands a haymaker, a knockout shot, and look,
if you look at Lebron James shot chart in the
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fourth quarter. He did make three layups, he made one
uh pull up fade away, He missed two threes. He
missed another pull up. Look at Lebron James in the
third quarter. He only made three shots, one three, one
elbow jump shot, one layup, missed four others. As statistically
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dominant as he was, the fact is that most of
the damage was done early. Then I understand you're like, look,
a dude can only do so much. But I was
texting with buddies like you hate Lebrons, like I don't
hate Lebron. I just don't think he's as good as Jordan's.
I just don't And I think that, uh, this was
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a lot like the NBA Finals last year. He comes
out like a house of fire and then at some
point he doesn't have it in the tank to continue
at that pace. An NBA game is a marathon, not
a sprint. I remember this when when even sprints sometimes
aren't sprints. Do you ever run the two dash? My
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senior year in high school, my coach and Notre Dame
was like, hey, listen, we don't want I want to
play football. I can't play football, you know, you can do.
You can run track if you want. Track in southern
California is in the spring. We've gotten done with the
state playoffs, and they said, why don't you go run
the two D meter dash. Okay, So I line up
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my first race, go sprinting, hit that turn and I
look around and I'm alone in first place. This is easy, suckers.
I come around that turn for the home stretch and
all of a sudden, it was as if they hit
the nitro turbo button and I went to neutral. Shoot
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shoot shoo, shoo, shoot shoot shoot. I went from first
to last in a heartbeat. Even sprints aren't all sprints.
There's pacing to it, and Lebron simply couldn't pace himself.
But I'm not gonna put last night on him. Though
the team didn't rebound, the team didn't defend, the team
didn't get loose balls. I can't expect Lebron James to
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do everything I cannot. That'd be completely unfair, completely, and
a triple double shooting a good percentage from the field
should be enough on the road against the Celtics without
their two best players to win the game. He was
sixteen of twenty nine five for eleven from three point range.
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He was just five of ten from the free throw line.
Still has the gifts. There had ten boards, granted only
one offensive board, had twelve assist and I'll grant you
he had six turnovers. A big portion of their problem
was the turnovers that he had. But I'm not gonna
sit here, said Lebron. James was good enough to win with. Right,
So last night wasn't Lebron's fault. But last night was
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completely Lebron's fault. Like, Wow, gotlie, that is the dumbest
thing I've ever heard you say. Okay, this team is
flawed in its construction. It's flawed in the alignment that
they have. It's flawed in the way in which they play.
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They always want to have shooters. George Hill j R.
Smith occasionally Kyle Korver and Kevin Love on the floor
with Lebron James. Why to space the floor to give
Lebron based upon how he plays, how the games officiated,
the size of his body's athletics in the space to
be Lebron. If you help, he can pass. If you don't,
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he's gonna drive and he's gonna score more often than not. Simple, Right,
The problem with that is if your team is set
and based and placed, you know the personnel is based
upon offense. When George Hill can't guard anybody, and j R.
Smith is not great defensively, Kevin Love can't guard Al Horford,
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and though he trials, Kyle Korver, can't contain the penetration
of the quicker, more way, more athletic, younger Boston Celtics.
Even Lebron James, as good as he can be defensively
or as a weak side shop blocker or making hustle plays,
the fact is that Lebron James, there's no one on
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the ball guy that he matches up perfectly with defensively,
you can of me the well, you know what, one
time he shut Derrick Rose down. He did, He did,
and I would if I was the celt if I
were the Calves, I would have him. I would have
him guard Marcus Smart, who's not a great shooter, but
you can sag off him and he can take bad
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shots over Lebron, and Lebron can hopefully keep him off
the boards and allow him to be a kind of
a roaming help side defender. But the reason that their
personnel is such, the reason that their style of play
is such and the reason that they lack the other
superstars around him is Lebron. This is one of those
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All of this could have been avoided had Lebron James
at the start of the year gone, you know what,
I know, I can get out and leave and go
to the Lakers. I know I can get out and
leave and go to the seventies six ers, or leave
and go to the Celtics, or leave and go to
the Spurs. But I'm not going anywhere. Let's work it out. Well,
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many people in my seat, or in seats similar to
this one will say, well, look, you know, I know
that that trade wasn't good, but it wasn't good because
Kyrie Irving wanted out. So you had a guy who
wanted out. And okay, first of all, Lebron could have
helped that. Gone to Kyrie Irving and said, hey, dude,
let's work it out. And even if it wasn't able
to work out and he said Kyrie is leaving, I'm
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still staying. There wouldn't have been the push for the
Cleveland front office to get a draft pick. All right.
Last night, that trade officially became an abject disaster, completely
one sided. Trade. Isaiah Thomas was never healthy, not a
good fit, couldn't guard, couldn't fit in, had to be jettison.
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They had to get him out of town. Jake Crowder
wasn't as good as they thought, couldn't start for them.
They had to get rid of him, and the potential
number one overall pick for the Nets end up being
the eighth pick Danny Danny Ainge crushed them in that trade.
Even if they don't have Kyrie Irving, right, they couldn't
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trade that pick. I heard all year, why don't you
trade the pick to get one of these players? They
couldn't trade the pick. You know why, because they don't.
If Lebron James leaves, they can't have no players, they
can't have no hope. And Lebron has not committed to staying.
And while you could say, well, look, that motivates the
front office to make moves, okay, but it also motivates
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the office to protect themselves for the future. They don't
want to leave the Couverard bear last night was not
Lebron's fault, but this whole thing is Lebron's fault. You
even go back to the Tristan Thompson contract. I like
Tristan Thompson. I get why he has to be on
the floor more than most people, but his contract was
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too big for his skill set. There wasn't that many
bidders out there for him j R. Smith's contract. He
didn't get a big offer from elsewhere, otherwise he would
have left, but they overpaid him because he's Lebrons guy
with the Bronze agent. So the point is that while
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Lebron can rightfully say, hey, this is not my fault,
I did everything within my power. Like, could I have
been better defensively? Yeah? I could. I have taken better
shots in the third and fourth quarter. Sure could have
been a little bit more gay. Yeah, But like, look, dude,
end of the day, I had forty two, twelve and
ten and I shot over fifty from the field and
I was five eleven, uh nearly fifty from three point range?
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What do you want me to do? I can't really
I can't really dispute that. What I can dispute is
the reason you have a team that is built this
way is because you're only gonna you will only play
one way. Why don't they play ball? Movement? Why don't
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they move the ball? Lebron James ain't doing. Then you
can't put in a new offense when you don't practice.
Because lebron On, though he works on his game, works
on his body, works on his mind, is an absolute
computer when it comes to what other teams are doing.
You know what he doesn't do. He doesn't practice because
he has to conserve his energy. He says, it ain't
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gonna waste it running up and down, running through sets
that they're not gonna run anyway. Give me the ball.
Spread everybody out screening for each other. I'll read everything
and make plays. You know I need shoot. Go get
me guys that can shoot and that can I guess
switch defensively as best with the kid. Probably they can
switch George who can't guard anybody. Jr. Smith Okay, Kevin
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Love can't guard anybody. Kyle Korver can't guard anybody. They're
their best defender and their toughest guy. The guy who
played the hardest was Jake Crowder. They got rid of him.
I would play City Usman. At least he plays hard.
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I mean they they're getting beaten by the Boston Celtics,
and you can go like, well, they had all these
top picks, Like dude, stop. But they don't have their
top two players. They just outplayed you. They got more
offensive rebounds, they had ten less turnovers. Three point shoot.
You're like, oh, three point shooting. No, they're both ten
for thirty one, exact same numbers. They did make seven
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more free throws, but they got twelve more field goal attempts.
It's just about not turning over and getting offensive boards.
This it last night was not Lebron's fault. The whole
thing completely Lebron's fault. Why is Tyler their coach? Right
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even after the game, Chris Mannix says, all these tweets
and tweets out that that several Calves players to a
man said, man, they're really well coached. That's a direct
shot at your coach. That coach was handpicked by Lebron James.
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott
Leaps Show week He's at three pm Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. JR.
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Smith Boston is extremely well coached. Tristan Thompson says, they
are a very well coached team. Those are not veiled shots.
Those are shots. I've been married for eighteen years. This August.
You know what, I don't offer up how good looking
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somebody else's wife is. Right, I liked her shoes, it
was nice. It's fine. You know your wife even can
can like tee it up like I think she is
just beautiful. It's okay. You can be sitting across from Giselle,
bunched in having dinner with Tom Brady, right and like, look,
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my wife. She could say, like Tom Brady is really
good looking, personal like you know, I gotta agree with you.
And then she could say, you know, Giselle is gorgeous,
and I know a lot of you guys like, oh yeah, no,
I would say, she's I mean, she's a supermodel. She's
of course she's Like it's fine say that when your
wife is sitting right there, you don't do that. And
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if you do enjoy the guest room with the couch
or just laying next to her, like, hey, honey, why
don't you why don't you ask Gisella if she'll roll over,
why don't she ask Gisella? She'll cook your dinner. Even
the most self confident woman, We'll give you the iciest
glare and stare if you're like, dude, she is, I
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mean she just had a kid. Look at her, she's
had a kid. It's unbelievable. Honey, you're beautiful to honey,
I mean like, there's no you don't do that. And
that's what this is. This is exactly what you think
it is. J R. Smith, who couldn't hit water if
he fell out of a boat last night, it's sitting
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there has the nerve. J R. Smith who nearly started
a a he nearly started a war. They're chanting F
you j R. Did you see that? Al Horford's wife
tweeted out fu j R. Smith amazing and instead of
going a listen, uh, they did a nice job, which
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just supposed to say that they did a nice job.
We got a regroup, we got a great coach. We'll
he'll they'll get together, they'll figure it out. We'll fix
some things. There's like personal accountability and we got a
great group. That's what you say. You don't ever, ever, ever,
ever go like, oh, dude, his wife is unbelievable. Like
you're you're you're gorgeous too, sweetheart, she's ah ah, I
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mean come on, dude, I mean like I can even
just like can you imagine if Tom Brady is sitting
there at dinner with Giselle, right, and uh, they go
out to dinner with I need to imagine a couple
Ryan Reynolds. I have a personal male heterosexual crush on
Ryan Reynolds. I can't wait to see Deadpool two. He's hilarious,
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super sarcastic. If I was a movie star, That's who
I'd most like to be. Like, you're sitting there with
Blake Lively. Do you think for one second, Tom Brady,
they're driving home and Tom Brady's like that Blake Lively,
she's really nice. Do you think she'll say like, she
is gorgeous? And while Giselle bunged in should be super
self confident, just supermodel financially the most successful supermodel in
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the history of the business. Dude, that that that dog
will not hunt, why don't you just dive home with her?
That's my Brazilian accents. The best I can do, best
I can do? Uh? And so do I think Tyron
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losing over his head a little bit? A little bit?
But I also think that he's hampered. He's hampered by
some of his personnel, even though his personnel's I mean, look,
Lebron James is this is one of those things where
Lebron James is really really bright, really bright, super smart,
and so too is kyl Corver, so too is Kevin Love.
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And I think some of those other guys are very
smart in terms of their basketball, like you right, Like
I would, I would guess that j R. Basketball like
you was pretty smart. So do I think they see
that Tyron Louke. They' struggling to get the ball in bounce?
How many near turnovers terms they have just trying to
get the basketball in bounds as opposed to Brad Stevens
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who seems to get a layup. He doesn't get it
every time, but there are times in which they get
lamps are wide open shots on inbounds or or after
time out plays. What's that, Shane Larkin calls him? Not
an aftertime out ninja is like an aftertime out savant.
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at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app Let's bring in. Tim Kempton,
of course, had his own star studded career. Now my
Sons analyst and he joins us on the Doug Gotlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I know you look at
the record and anyone would say, man, they're awful, and
they were getting blown out this year. Obviously they fired
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their head coach, Roll Watson in the season. But how
far away are they tim from being competitive for a
playoff spot. Well, they're They're definitely going in the right
right direction, Doug, how far I think there's still two
or three players away. We obviously need some size in
the middle because there there's a lot of thought that
Alex lann is not coming back. He's an unrestricted free agent.
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They did not give him a qualifying offer. That relationship
is not the best. Um. We we have marquees Chris
and as you mentioned, Dragon Bender, but they're not uh
position players inside being that they're on the perimeter a lot,
they're very rarely in position to rebound when we need
them to rebound. So we need a piece in the
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middle that that could very well be DeAndre eight And
you need a little bit more shooting alongside of Devin
Booker to open up the floor. Um, and then you know,
the bench could always get better. T J. Warren if
he accepts that role. Uh make makes a very good
scoring punch coming off the bench. But I still think
there are two or three players away, not not counting
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the piece they're gonna add in the draft obviously that
that first piece in the draft is going to be
part of those two or three pieces. All right, let's
dragon bender. I'm Nelson. It's hard to It's really hard
to tell if you just look at box scores, right
and stats, because you're talking about playing against low level teams,
playing team guys that play and they don't play, pay
attention to defense, latent games. Um how comp and it
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was he at the end of the season, he's getting better,
doug He he still he shoots the ball well, very
streaky when he gets hot. His shot is very flat
for seven footers, so it's gotta be on. He did
gain confidence taking the ball to the basketball, the basket
a little bit more, uh playing a little bit stronger
that way, So you saw his confidence coming along, but
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still quite a ways away from being a consistent UH
performer every night. He definitely has to get stronger, has
to has to revamp his shot a little bit, not
the stroke, just just kind of getting more legs and
strength underneath it. It looked like, you know, at times
he struggled to get to the basket, uh with with
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the ball on that on that was long range three.
So I think that's just maturity and growing up. So
hopefully this off summer, this offseason, the summer will help
him in that regard as well. Alright, So I just
position wise, do they most need a five? Do they
most need a point? What do they need most? I'm
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gonna say a five. They need a big losing Alex
Lynn uh, Tyson Chandler very limited in the last year
of his contract, Alan Williams very undersized as the other
so called big man, so Devin Booker, uh, Brandon Knight's
coming back off an a c L injury so uh.
And it looks very good in uh at the end
of the season, working out getting ready for the off
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season next year. So if there's one spot, I'd say,
you know, a big guy in the middle of the
first priority with the group of players that they have
right now, I guess that the question he comes though,
and DeAndre is a man child. He played down the road,
uh the you know starvers. I think he's an Arizona
guy and he and he graduated from you. I mean,
so it's not like he hadn't watched every game and
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and like, look he checks many of the boxes even
for the two eighteen center because he can shoot. He
has good feed. Maybe not the NBA range, but every
guy seems to develop that stuff as as they get
to the league. But what about the idea tim of
Hey centered the NBA is like running back in the NFL?
Like could you could you use him? Yeah? But you
can live without him. This is a world of small ball.
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Would that holds you back from drafting uh DeAndre eight
number one? Overall? It wouldn't hold me back because everything
you mentioned, he's he's already shown very capable of shooting
the ball facing up, so the pick and pop is
there as well as his pick and roll games. So
it really is where what you feel you can get
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done in the free agent market. Maybe you put Don
check and uh and Devin Booker in the back court
if you feel very confident that you get get a
capable big to fill in for that need in the
free free agent market. Because that's another strong suit of
the Phoenix Suns this summer is there is the cash,
the cap room that they have in the free agent market.
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But now you play that game. The draft is June
twenty one. Free agency doesn't open until July one. Which
way do you go? Which which bed? Which which bet?
Your hedge? First? Tim Kempton joining us in the Doug
Outlip Show here on on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look,
you you played in this league, You've covered it forever.
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You're watching last night. Here's what I said about about Lebron.
I don't think last night was Lebron's fault, but I
do think building a team of shooters and building around offense,
as well as the fact that he didn't say he
was all into stay in Cleveland after the season, those
two things have undone Cleveland for the life of the season,
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even though last night wasn't his fault. No, you're exactly
right now. Just undermines that, you know, the way that
roster is constructed. It's amazing that they're they're where they
are right now, and we're just seeing a very good
Boston team kind of kind of just pick them away,
like you know, just find the weak spot every time
down the floor, and the physicality of Boston is something
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to watch at every position. Just into un as a
group group of guys and and playing extremely hard. It's
it's kind of fun to watch the team basketball that
they're playing, and it's you know, it's unfortunate that Lebron
is trying to do this all by himself, without without
consistent help, night in the night out. Yeah, no question
about it. Do you think Houston UH can can can
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beat Golden State? Now? I think the mental toughness of
Golden State is just a little bit better up and
down the roster. You know, You've got Sean Livingston coming
off the bench that that gives them a lot of help.
And they're just so good at every position. Yes, Houston
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has James hard and Chris Paul and they're very good
one on one. But the defense that that Golden State plays,
it just makes it so difficult to score every time
down the court, and it just looks like they're getting
easy shots. So I think Golden State wins this series handily. Again,
I brought the US up. I brought this up yesterday.
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You know, you played on one of the great scoring
teams of your era, right when you played for Paul
Westfall with the Sons. You guys had Tom Chambers, you
had Chuck you had Ange Uh, you had Uh, you
had Dan Marley, right, Kevin Johnson running the point. Yeah. Yeah,
And you guys took at the time the most NB
A thousands, almost eleven hundred threes, whereas the Warriors shot
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twenty three hundred threes this year. Right, two and a
half time. It really is crazy, Alex changed, Yeah, sure hasn't.
And and Doug the whole thing. Not only as you
mentioned earlier, not just the guards, but the big guys
stepping out. We're seeing Aaron Bains develop a short corner
three shot to make him even more of a weapon
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for the Boston Celtics. Al Horford doing such a great
job shooting at three. Yeah, it's really has changed this
game dramatically. Tim Kempton, Timmy, do a great job with
the Sons. We really appreciate you join us. Look forward
to talk with me to more before the draft to
get started talking to Jim Kempton, Sons color analysts joining
us on the Doug Gotlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio has
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the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all
of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and
within the I Heart Radio app. Super super interesting to
see what Chris Paul would do next. You know, you
remember where Chris Paul was originally headed. I mean like, look,
I don't know if if if you what you do
with the a Lonzo ball thing, and I think they
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really like Alonzo ball. But if you could have both
of those two via Chris Paul and Lebron James and
everything else, and you you simply, you know, trade away
a Lonzo Ball, I don't think that's I don't think
that's out of the realm of possibility. Look, I think
the Lakers, personnel wise, I think they would make some
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They would make most any adjustment that Lebron's team thought
was was smart. I don't think they will change personnel.
I don't like Luke Walton is, at least for now,
is going to be their coach. They believe Luke Walton
is the perfect coach for what they want to do,
that he's a really, really and totally coach. Now, it
should be pointed out Luke Walton was hired by the
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previous regimes, hired by Genie Buss. Really, okay, so this
is still Genie's call. I don't know if that's And
the one guy that they had floated, remember, had been
floated through the media that maybe Lebron would want to
play for his David Fizdale. He's already off the market,
So I think I do. I believe that they would
if Lebron's like, hey, I'm coming, but a lot of
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Luke Walton's the coach. I don't think they would fire
Luke home like now it looks our coach. You'll be
you'll be, You'll be fine here, You'll like him. Uh?
Do I think that they would say if he stay
said hey we want to play with Chris Paul, I
think they can make it. We can we can make
that happen. We can make that happen. Fox Sports Radio
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and within the I Heart Radio app. Christopher Sorry joins
us in the Doug got Lip Show. Chris, Are you
a ticket snob? No, I'm not. You'll go sit anywhere, Yes,
I mean, obviously I prefer great tickets, but great seats anywhere.
When was the last time you went and set something
set in bad seats for a game? Concert? Uh, I've been,
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I'll be honest, it's been a while. See Like, yeah,
I would go anywhere. What was the last time you
did it. I don't know, because I would never do that,
especially if you're buying them correct. Well, yeah, because you know, look,
we get three tickets to so Or you know, Presscordos.
We can go to so many games that the thought
of buying one to sit in a bad seat is uh,
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it doesn't really appeal to me anymore. No, going to
games is hard. I mean, like, look, the only reason
I want to go is because my kids are gonna
get that going on the field for batting practice. Yeah,
but then you know, if you sit out far, you're like, man,
then they lose their attention. Plus I'm gonna be paying
attention to my phone where I'm watching the game, watching
the basketball game, all right, Chris Brusorry joins us. You
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can hear him um on Fox Sports Radio Sunday nights.
It's a great show. I listened to a driving around
the afternoon here in the West Coast, East Coast six
to nine pm Eastern time. Uh, here's what I said
to start the show. And you can feel free to agree,
disagree or whatever. I wish Lebron would have taken over
the game last night like he did in the first quarter,
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in the same way in the fourth quarter. But outside
of that, I find it really hard to find fault
with him. Dude, you can't do it by yourself, even
if he had to do it by himself. But all
of this could have been potentially avoided had he simply
stated he was coming back, right, and and like, look
the roster, So what you think Kyrie would have been there?
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Or I think the Kyrie? Could he have tried to
work out the Kyrie thing? Sure he didn't, but could
he have if he simply said he was coming back.
Many of the moves that were made, they're trying to
balance out. Look, we want to make sure that we
give Lebron a shot, but we gotta get this draft
pick right. We got ahold of this draft pick because
this gives us a chance of the future. Yeah, I
think they were right to keep that drafted because if
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Lebron won't commit, then you can't expect us to give
up what could help us in the future in case
you leave. It's not as simple as that. I'm not
disputing any of that. What I am what I am
saying is that I don't I don't think I think
some of this was avoidable in terms of the personnel
that they have had a couple of things. Lebron would
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ever play a different way, He won't. He's not well.
He ain't doing any ball movement offense. And even if
you did, they don't practice, so it's hard to install
an offense when you haven't practiced. But too had he
said he was coming back, the Cavaliers wouldn't have had
to protect themselves against the possibleity of him leaving. Yeah,
I mean, look, I'm not going to jump on him
for keeping his you know, freedom. You know, it's free agency,
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and you know, none of the mean Paul George hasn't
said I'm staying in it. Okay, See that's what free
agents do. Most of them say, I want to be
free and we'll see what happens. But you're right. Look,
I was told that last summer um Paul George told
Cleveland when they were trying to trade for him, that
if Lebron will sign George, you know, he can opt
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out this year. He doesn't have to be a free agent.
And George was willing to opt in and stay this year,
this past season and next season in Cleveland if a
trade was made. If Lebron would commit to just stay
in the two years and Lebron wouldn't do it, so
I said before, he only has himself to blame, because
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at least at least you could have committed to two
years and then you would have Paul George with you.
You guys might have been able to win the championship
or get to the finals at least. So yeah, I
in general, I hear what you're saying. Um, Lebron's going
with these basically year to year deals does put a
lot of stream and challenges on the franchise that he's with.
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Doug out the show, Fox Sports Radio. How is Brad
Stevens being able to do this? It's amazing, man, um,
because there's so much to compliment them about, but their
execution is tremendous. And I think Brad Stevens coach. I
used to say, you know, you played Division one. I
played Division three, and I used to say there were
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some great coaches in Division three, and Stevens played Division three.
He coached at Butler, obviously, but if you gave them
some of those Division three coaches real talent, they could
be really great coaches. And you know, Grad Pavovitch coach
Division three. So um, I think Stevens, you know, a
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lot of times you have to you have to focus
on a lot more strategically and and things like that
when you don't have the talent, and him coming from
Butler where you don't get blue chips allan um, and
now you see him working without blue chip talent for
the most part. I mean, Jason Tatum and Brown are
blue chippers, but they're young. Um. He's just able to
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get the most out of it. One thing I love
about him is that when you fill in for a guy,
like when Terry Rosier replace Kyrie Irving, he didn't shreat
Terry Rosier like a backup. You know, don't think you're
gonna shoot like as much as Kyrie did or do
what he did. He let him have the freedom that
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Kyrie had, you know, and you see Rosier capitalizing on
it and playing so well. You know, Doug, if a
coach gave you freedom, you were likely to play better
than you were if you felt like you were, you know,
walking on the eggshells, looking at the at the bench
every time you made a mistake. You can't play with
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one eye on the bench, there's no question. But plus,
if you watch the teams at Butler, you know, uh,
two things. One, his teams were incredibly physical, which is
what this team and this team is very very physical. Yeah. Yeah.
The second thing is this is actually what he did
at Butler. People forget he lost Gordon Hayward after the
first National Championship run, got back to the National Championship
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Game without him with without him, um, and I think
without Shelvin Mac that second year as well, and he
ends up going to the National Championship Game. Granted they
got blasted by by a UKUN team that had more talent,
but that was that was more impressive than the first
time when he had two NBA players on his on
his roster. Yeah. I mean, look, he's been phenomenal. Um.
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There's just no if sayings or buts about it. And
for him not to get a vote from the coach.
And I talked to a GM who was telling me
he said, it's definitely jealousy because guys feel like, you know,
he didn't pay his NBA dudes, he barely played Hey
college dudes. Some guys feel like because he was so young, um,
and he wasn't you know, his mid major versus major.
And that's where a lot of that stemmed from Christopher
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Sorry joining us in the Doug Outlip Show. Did you
notice the comments after the game from Tristan and j R.
Smith complimenting how well coached the Celtics were. Isn't that
a direct shot at their own coach? Some what somewhat
I mean, tylu Uh is not and it's happened all
you look. I think he's done a very good job.
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You as you've kind of alluded to a little bit earlier,
it's not easy to coach Lebrian James. However, the benefits
are great. You know, Without Lebron James you don't have
that championship on your resume either. So it's tough. Um.
I think Tis had his moments, but um, he's also
had some some bad moments as well. And uh, I
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think it was definitely a shot. You know, all year long,
they haven't held the defense account, you know, and when guys,
you know, some teams, if you don't, you lose an assignment,
you lose miss the rotation, whatever, is there a timeout
all and they jump on you or you're you're coming
out of the game. They haven't done that in Cleveland,
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and so you saw last night they couldn't get like
one of the differences with this team. And know some
of those other poor teams that Lebron James either took
to the finals and oh seven or deep in the playoffs.
They those were defensive minded teams and they had energy
guys and some tough grinders. You know, you had Eric Snow,
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you had Anderson vers Out, you had the Lion take
West so they could get a stop. They weren't great
offensive teams outside of Lebron, but they could get a stop.
This team is great at times offensively, but they're up
and down because they're based on the three point line
outside of Lebron, and so when they need to get
a stop, they just can't do it. Some of that
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to their personnel, some of that that they may not
be being held as accountable as they need to. And
what's like that they make this thing as serious. Well
technically they're still very much in it, you know. I
mean Boston hasn't been good on the road. Cleveland's been
five and one at home. Terry Rogier goes from like
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an eight teen point score to a thirteen point score,
from a forty six percent three point shooter to a
twenty four percent three point shooter on the road. Uh
Our Horford from twenty points to twelve points on the road.
So Cleveland obviously will play better. The role players will
be better in Cleveland than they the Cleveland's role players
than they were on the road. So you and you
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got obviously the best player in the world. So they
got a great chance to go back to two. I
wouldn't panic over being down oh two, what if I'm Cleveland.
What concerns me is that this team Boston just has
more fight than we do. And the Cavaliers just don't
seem like they're built for that kind of fight anymore.
You saw it against Indiana when they got a significant
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lead twelve points or higher, ten points whatever, they tended
to relax, to take their foot off the gas, including Lebron,
and next thing you know, they're in a nail fighter
and they win by two or three. You can't do
that with this team at all. And I don't know
if Cleveland wants to have a forty eight minute fight anymore.
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They want to punch you like they did last night.
They try to hit you early, hit you hard, and
hope you'll submit. Toronto submitted, and then it was easy.
They coasted from there. This team is not gonna submit.
And so that's what concerns me about Cleveland. Are they
ready for the fight and built for a fight. What
what adjustments do we see from Houston today? Well, you know,
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everybody's making a big deal out of dance Tony saying
we're gonna do what we do. We are an ice
sol team. Uh. Eric Gordon coming out and saying we
need to pass the ball, not run as much ice.
So I think both can be right, because they ran
twice as much ice so essentially as they did in
the regular season in Game one and you know, Golden State,
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whether it's purposely or not, they bait you into playing
ice so because when they switch everything, that's kind of
what it ends up being, you know, one on one
and if you thinking, just stick to what it did
during the regular season, where they ran about isolation plays
a game, which was number one in the NBA. But
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in Game one they ran forty five. That's essentially twice
as many. That's why Gordon says, man, I'm not getting
the ball, not in the rhythm because even though they
run a lot of ice soh usually they don't run
this much. So if they just get back to staying
in their game, playing and not get caught up in
just going one on one too much. Then I think
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that's best for them. Look, I think Golden Stakes a
better team, but I think Houston can be at its
best and have a chance of winning tonight. Yeah, listen,
I think it's it is that it is purposeful. I
think Golden State does it for a reason. I think
they're like, go ahead because it it Also as bad
as Harden is defensively, he's made even worse because he's
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having to go one on one every time. And you know,
all he's was trying to do, Chris is what the
Calves did two years ago, which is go at Steff
every time down. So look it it achieved its goal.
They scored on Steff and they wore Steff out as
he didn't have a good offensive game. The differences Now
you've got two other guys that can carry you still.
And meanwhile, James Harden is a bad defender, is made
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worse because he's exhausted from from offense. Well, you know, Doug,
how hard it is even if I mean, look, Harden
is a phenomenal one on one player, there no two
ways about that. But still it is hard to shake
and bake for ten fifteen seconds and score virtually every
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time down the court. And the difference between Golden State's buckets,
which can't seem to be so easy. I mean, obviously
Durant made some tough shots, uh, not be tough for him,
but tough for your typical player. But for the most part,
they're getting open threes, they're getting backdoor layoup. Steph is
beating his man and getting in the lane for a layup,
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and Houston just every bucket looks so hard and difficult.
I just don't think you can do that for the
for forty eight minutes in a seven game series against
a great defensive team. I agree with you, totally agree
with you. Um you said, let's go back to the Celtics.
You think this this this changes when Kyrie Irving returns
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in terms of how he feels about being on the Celtics.
For for people who don't here, this is going back
to Monday when you're on the herd. Right. Yeah. I look,
I'm not saying Kyrie is feeling a certain way about this.
I'm just and I'm not saying he's selfish. I'm saying
he's human. And you know, I mean, as an athlete
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at the highest level especially, you want to shine and
you want to be a part of why you're winning,
and it is tough on any Look, he's tight with
these guys. I'm sure he's happy. You know, he's a
Celtic and they're winning. So there is a part of
you that's just happy for your guys and for the success.
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But there's also a part of you that wants to
that's like, man, they're getting it done without me, you know.
And and that's all I'm saying now. We I talked
today with Jason McIntyre about whether or not Boston should
make a trade this summer. I would try to get
Kauai Leonard. I would try to trade Gordon Hayward for him,
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and you know, if I have to throw in Terry
rocher and and the Kings pick or whatever. But also,
as much as I love Kyrie Irving, Kyrie Irving can
opt out of his contract after next season. Remember Boston
was not on his list of four teams he wanted
to be traded to. It was San Antonio, Miami, New York,
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and Minnesota. So do you worry about, well, will he
leave in nineteen as a free agent and we get
nothing for him. If you're concerned about that, do you
look to move him this summer when you see you
can have success without it. I mean, I'm not saying
any of this is in the works or that I
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would even do this. I'm just saying these are all
things that the Celtics probably have to consider based on
how much success they're having. These are these are first
world problems. You realize that, right, like, let's see them
all play together and let's let's let's let's because I
do think that ultimately not having Kyrie and Gordon Hayward
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gets exposed if they can advance to see the Warriors.
I think we all think that, and that the thought
is that if you can bring most of it back
next year, that was the plan, and then once you
win a championship, people like, all right, and then can
you get some of these guys to sacrifice future contracts
to stay with the team. That's the the fascinating thing.
Last thing, last thing, is it legitimate? Do you think
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Clay will take us stantial haircut from what he could
make to stay with the Warriors. I do think he will,
um and I love the fact that he wants to
stay with the Warriors. I think that's the smart He's
James worthy. You know, he's going to go down, he's
gonna be a Hall of Fame, he's gonna have who
knows how many championships, and he's still getting his twenty
points a game, will be in the All Star Games
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and all that. Why risk as great as Clay is
and I think he's a great player. I don't think
he's a number one player or a contending team and
I think most people feel that way. So why look
at Harrison Barnes And he's much better than Harrison Barnes.
But we haven't thought about Harrison Barnes since he left
Golden State. And he left he's left the Dallas Mavericks
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in scoring, But who cares play Thompson. I think it's
very you know, it shows that he's comfortable in his
own skin. He said time and time again. He doesn't
have to get all the attention that Steph and KD
and even Draymond get. He's content doing what he does.
I just think that's that's great that he no as
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himself so well and isn't motivated by every last dollar.
I get it. I don't really want him to leave
fifty million on the table. You know, if he can
get one thirty five or one thirty eight or whatever
it is, and he's willing to take ninety two. I
mean I would rather see him get all his money,
but I would rather see him and do it in
in golden state. And if it means taking a little
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less to stay in a great situation than going somewhere
in a that's not a great situation, but you get
more money, I applaud him for, you know, recognizing it.
I'd rather be in a great situation. I'm still making
a ton of money, you know, whatever it is. Chris
Pers Chris great stuff. Look forward to here in the
show six to nine pm Eastern Time with Rob Park.
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Of course, she has a podcast out with Jason McIntyre. Chris,
thanks for joining us. All right, dog any time man,
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quite possibly the new home of Lebron James. Will Know
and just over a month. Welcome in. I hope you're
having a great day. Get ready for a great night
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of whoop. Right out of whoop, good day of baseball.
A lot of getaway day games. Can't decide chance I
go to the angel game tonight, UH to see their
bullpen likely blow another game to the Houston Astros, or
stay at home and watch Warriors Rockets part do. I'll
tell you before the show ends what I decide A
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lot of It's gonna depend on the quality of tickets
that I can get for free. Anyway, I hope you're
having a great day. Um. I was thinking about a
way to correlate this with life and I have several
different correlations. But before we get to the real life analogy,
whether it's politics or life or whatever, UM, I want
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to make sure I point this out. Lebron James was
good enough to win last night. Now, while I say
he was good enough to win, you're gonna say, like, look,
he was better than good enough. He had a triple double.
Lebron was not great defensively, and while he had twenty
one at the end of the first quarter, hits seven
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of his first eight shots and came out smoking, absolutely smoking.
I do think it's fair to point out that Lebron
took some bad shots, had some inopportune turnovers, and wasn't
It wasn't perfect, right, it wasn't perfect the entire game,
and like forty two points from Lebron James should be enough.
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It's exactly what we knew he would do. We just
did not know. We didn't know that the uh Celtics
would turn the ball over so little. We didn't know
that there'd be this many defensive breakdowns, this many turnovers,
that spending runouts, that spending layups, or this many made
threes from the Celtics. Boston scores thirty six in the
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third quarter, thirty six, and instead of trailing at half,
they had the lead at the end of the third quarter.
Lebron sits the start the fourth quarter, games relatively even,
and then Boston lands a haymaker, a knockout shot, and look,
if you look at Lebron James shot chart in the
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fourth quarter. He did make three layups, he made one
uh pull up fade away, He missed two threes. He
missed another pull up. Look at Lebron James in the
third quarter. He only made three shots, one three, one
elbow jump shot, one layup, missed four others. As statistically
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dominant as he was, the fact is that most of
the damage was done early. Then I understand you're like, look,
a dude can only do so much. But I was
texting with buddies like you hate Lebrons, like I don't
hate Lebron. I just don't think he's as good as Jordan's.
I just don't And I think that, uh, this was
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a lot like the NBA Finals last year. He comes
out like a house of fire and then at some
point he doesn't have it in the tank to continue
at that pace. An NBA game is a marathon, not
a sprint. I remember this when when even sprints sometimes
aren't sprints. Do you ever run the two dash? My
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senior year in high school, my coach and Notre Dame
was like, hey, listen, we don't want I want to
play football. I can't play football, you know, you can do.
You can run track if you want. Track in southern
California is in the spring. We've gotten done with the
state playoffs, and they said, why don't you go run
the two D meter dash. Okay, So I line up
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my first race, go sprinting, hit that turn and I
look around and I'm alone in first place. This is easy, suckers.
I come around that turn for the home stretch and
all of a sudden, it was as if they hit
the nitro turbo button and I went to neutral. Shoot
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shoot shoo, shoo, shoot shoot shoot. I went from first
to last in a heartbeat. Even sprints aren't all sprints.
There's pacing to it, and Lebron simply couldn't pace himself.
But I'm not gonna put last night on him. Though
the team didn't rebound, the team didn't defend, the team
didn't get loose balls. I can't expect Lebron James to
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do everything I cannot. That'd be completely unfair, completely, and
a triple double shooting a good percentage from the field
should be enough on the road against the Celtics without
their two best players to win the game. He was
sixteen of twenty nine five for eleven from three point range.
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He was just five of ten from the free throw line.
Still has the gifts. There had ten boards, granted only
one offensive board, had twelve assist and I'll grant you
he had six turnovers. A big portion of their problem
was the turnovers that he had. But I'm not gonna
sit here, said Lebron. James was good enough to win with. Right,
So last night wasn't Lebron's fault. But last night was
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completely Lebron's fault. Like, Wow, gotlie, that is the dumbest
thing I've ever heard you say. Okay, this team is
flawed in its construction. It's flawed in the alignment that
they have. It's flawed in the way in which they play.
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They always want to have shooters. George Hill j R.
Smith occasionally Kyle Korver and Kevin Love on the floor
with Lebron James. Why to space the floor to give
Lebron based upon how he plays, how the games officiated,
the size of his body's athletics in the space to
be Lebron. If you help, he can pass. If you don't,
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he's gonna drive and he's gonna score more often than not. Simple, Right,
The problem with that is if your team is set
and based and placed, you know the personnel is based
upon offense. When George Hill can't guard anybody, and j R.
Smith is not great defensively, Kevin Love can't guard Al Horford,
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and though he trials, Kyle Korver, can't contain the penetration
of the quicker, more way, more athletic, younger Boston Celtics.
Even Lebron James, as good as he can be defensively
or as a weak side shop blocker or making hustle plays,
the fact is that Lebron James, there's no one on
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the ball guy that he matches up perfectly with defensively,
you can of me the well, you know what, one
time he shut Derrick Rose down. He did, He did,
and I would if I was the celt if I
were the Calves, I would have him. I would have
him guard Marcus Smart, who's not a great shooter, but
you can sag off him and he can take bad
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shots over Lebron, and Lebron can hopefully keep him off
the boards and allow him to be a kind of
a roaming help side defender. But the reason that their
personnel is such, the reason that their style of play
is such and the reason that they lack the other
superstars around him is Lebron. This is one of those
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All of this could have been avoided had Lebron James
at the start of the year gone, you know what,
I know, I can get out and leave and go
to the Lakers. I know I can get out and
leave and go to the seventies six ers, or leave
and go to the Celtics, or leave and go to
the Spurs. But I'm not going anywhere. Let's work it out. Well,
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many people in my seat, or in seats similar to
this one will say, well, look, you know, I know
that that trade wasn't good, but it wasn't good because
Kyrie Irving wanted out. So you had a guy who
wanted out. And okay, first of all, Lebron could have
helped that. Gone to Kyrie Irving and said, hey, dude,
let's work it out. And even if it wasn't able
to work out and he said Kyrie is leaving, I'm
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still staying. There wouldn't have been the push for the
Cleveland front office to get a draft pick. All right.
Last night, that trade officially became an abject disaster, completely
one sided. Trade. Isaiah Thomas was never healthy, not a
good fit, couldn't guard, couldn't fit in, had to be jettison.
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They had to get him out of town. Jake Crowder
wasn't as good as they thought, couldn't start for them.
They had to get rid of him, and the potential
number one overall pick for the Nets end up being
the eighth pick Danny Danny Ainge crushed them in that trade.
Even if they don't have Kyrie Irving, right, they couldn't
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trade that pick. I heard all year, why don't you
trade the pick to get one of these players? They
couldn't trade the pick. You know why, because they don't.
If Lebron James leaves, they can't have no players, they
can't have no hope. And Lebron has not committed to staying.
And while you could say, well, look, that motivates the
front office to make moves, okay, but it also motivates
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the office to protect themselves for the future. They don't
want to leave the Couverard bear last night was not
Lebron's fault, but this whole thing is Lebron's fault. You
even go back to the Tristan Thompson contract. I like
Tristan Thompson. I get why he has to be on
the floor more than most people, but his contract was
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too big for his skill set. There wasn't that many
bidders out there for him j R. Smith's contract. He
didn't get a big offer from elsewhere, otherwise he would
have left, but they overpaid him because he's Lebrons guy
with the Bronze agent. So the point is that while
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Lebron can rightfully say, hey, this is not my fault,
I did everything within my power. Like, could I have
been better defensively? Yeah? I could. I have taken better
shots in the third and fourth quarter. Sure could have
been a little bit more gay. Yeah, But like, look, dude,
end of the day, I had forty two, twelve and
ten and I shot over fifty from the field and
I was five eleven, uh nearly fifty from three point range?
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What do you want me to do? I can't really
I can't really dispute that. What I can dispute is
the reason you have a team that is built this
way is because you're only gonna you will only play
one way. Why don't they play ball? Movement? Why don't
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they move the ball? Lebron James ain't doing. Then you
can't put in a new offense when you don't practice.
Because lebron On, though he works on his game, works
on his body, works on his mind, is an absolute
computer when it comes to what other teams are doing.
You know what he doesn't do. He doesn't practice because
he has to conserve his energy. He says, it ain't
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gonna waste it running up and down, running through sets
that they're not gonna run anyway. Give me the ball.
Spread everybody out screening for each other. I'll read everything
and make plays. You know I need shoot. Go get
me guys that can shoot and that can I guess
switch defensively as best with the kid. Probably they can
switch George who can't guard anybody. Jr. Smith Okay, Kevin
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Love can't guard anybody. Kyle Korver can't guard anybody. They're
their best defender and their toughest guy. The guy who
played the hardest was Jake Crowder. They got rid of him.
I would play City Usman. At least he plays hard.
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I mean they they're getting beaten by the Boston Celtics,
and you can go like, well, they had all these
top picks, Like dude, stop. But they don't have their
top two players. They just outplayed you. They got more
offensive rebounds, they had ten less turnovers. Three point shoot.
You're like, oh, three point shooting. No, they're both ten
for thirty one, exact same numbers. They did make seven
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more free throws, but they got twelve more field goal attempts.
It's just about not turning over and getting offensive boards.
This it last night was not Lebron's fault. The whole
thing completely Lebron's fault. Why is Tyler their coach? Right
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even after the game, Chris Mannix says, all these tweets
and tweets out that that several Calves players to a
man said, man, they're really well coached. That's a direct
shot at your coach. That coach was handpicked by Lebron James.
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott
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Smith Boston is extremely well coached. Tristan Thompson says, they
are a very well coached team. Those are not veiled shots.
Those are shots. I've been married for eighteen years. This August.
You know what, I don't offer up how good looking
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somebody else's wife is. Right, I liked her shoes, it
was nice. It's fine. You know your wife even can
can like tee it up like I think she is
just beautiful. It's okay. You can be sitting across from Giselle,
bunched in having dinner with Tom Brady, right and like, look,
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my wife. She could say, like Tom Brady is really
good looking, personal like you know, I gotta agree with you.
And then she could say, you know, Giselle is gorgeous,
and I know a lot of you guys like, oh yeah, no,
I would say, she's I mean, she's a supermodel. She's
of course she's Like it's fine say that when your
wife is sitting right there, you don't do that. And
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if you do enjoy the guest room with the couch
or just laying next to her, like, hey, honey, why
don't you why don't you ask Gisella if she'll roll over,
why don't she ask Gisella? She'll cook your dinner. Even
the most self confident woman, We'll give you the iciest
glare and stare if you're like, dude, she is, I
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mean she just had a kid. Look at her, she's
had a kid. It's unbelievable. Honey, you're beautiful to honey,
I mean like, there's no you don't do that. And
that's what this is. This is exactly what you think
it is. J R. Smith, who couldn't hit water if
he fell out of a boat last night, it's sitting
(14:53):
there has the nerve. J R. Smith who nearly started
a a he nearly started a war. They're chanting F
you j R. Did you see that? Al Horford's wife
tweeted out fu j R. Smith amazing and instead of
going a listen, uh, they did a nice job, which
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just supposed to say that they did a nice job.
We got a regroup, we got a great coach. We'll
he'll they'll get together, they'll figure it out. We'll fix
some things. There's like personal accountability and we got a
great group. That's what you say. You don't ever, ever, ever,
ever go like, oh, dude, his wife is unbelievable. Like
you're you're you're gorgeous too, sweetheart, she's ah ah, I
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mean come on, dude, I mean like I can even
just like can you imagine if Tom Brady is sitting
there at dinner with Giselle, right, and uh, they go
out to dinner with I need to imagine a couple
Ryan Reynolds. I have a personal male heterosexual crush on
Ryan Reynolds. I can't wait to see Deadpool two. He's hilarious,
(16:09):
super sarcastic. If I was a movie star, That's who
I'd most like to be. Like, you're sitting there with
Blake Lively. Do you think for one second, Tom Brady,
they're driving home and Tom Brady's like that Blake Lively,
she's really nice. Do you think she'll say like, she
is gorgeous? And while Giselle bunged in should be super
self confident, just supermodel financially the most successful supermodel in
(16:33):
the history of the business. Dude, that that that dog
will not hunt, why don't you just dive home with her?
That's my Brazilian accents. The best I can do, best
I can do? Uh? And so do I think Tyron
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losing over his head a little bit? A little bit?
But I also think that he's hampered. He's hampered by
some of his personnel, even though his personnel's I mean, look,
Lebron James is this is one of those things where
Lebron James is really really bright, really bright, super smart,
and so too is kyl Corver, so too is Kevin Love.
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And I think some of those other guys are very
smart in terms of their basketball, like you right, Like
I would, I would guess that j R. Basketball like
you was pretty smart. So do I think they see
that Tyron Louke. They' struggling to get the ball in bounce?
How many near turnovers terms they have just trying to
get the basketball in bounds as opposed to Brad Stevens
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who seems to get a layup. He doesn't get it
every time, but there are times in which they get
lamps are wide open shots on inbounds or or after
time out plays. What's that, Shane Larkin calls him? Not
an aftertime out ninja is like an aftertime out savant.
That's what you show your coaching acument. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays
(18:05):
at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app Let's bring in. Tim Kempton,
of course, had his own star studded career. Now my
Sons analyst and he joins us on the Doug Gotlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I know you look at
the record and anyone would say, man, they're awful, and
they were getting blown out this year. Obviously they fired
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their head coach, Roll Watson in the season. But how
far away are they tim from being competitive for a
playoff spot. Well, they're They're definitely going in the right
right direction, Doug, how far I think there's still two
or three players away. We obviously need some size in
the middle because there there's a lot of thought that
Alex lann is not coming back. He's an unrestricted free agent.
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They did not give him a qualifying offer. That relationship
is not the best. Um. We we have marquees Chris
and as you mentioned, Dragon Bender, but they're not uh
position players inside being that they're on the perimeter a lot,
they're very rarely in position to rebound when we need
them to rebound. So we need a piece in the
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middle that that could very well be DeAndre eight And
you need a little bit more shooting alongside of Devin
Booker to open up the floor. Um, and then you know,
the bench could always get better. T J. Warren if
he accepts that role. Uh make makes a very good
scoring punch coming off the bench. But I still think
there are two or three players away, not not counting
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the piece they're gonna add in the draft obviously that
that first piece in the draft is going to be
part of those two or three pieces. All right, let's
dragon bender. I'm Nelson. It's hard to It's really hard
to tell if you just look at box scores, right
and stats, because you're talking about playing against low level teams,
playing team guys that play and they don't play, pay
attention to defense, latent games. Um how comp and it
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was he at the end of the season, he's getting better,
doug He he still he shoots the ball well, very
streaky when he gets hot. His shot is very flat
for seven footers, so it's gotta be on. He did
gain confidence taking the ball to the basketball, the basket
a little bit more, uh playing a little bit stronger
that way, So you saw his confidence coming along, but
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still quite a ways away from being a consistent UH
performer every night. He definitely has to get stronger, has
to has to revamp his shot a little bit, not
the stroke, just just kind of getting more legs and
strength underneath it. It looked like, you know, at times
he struggled to get to the basket, uh with with
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the ball on that on that was long range three.
So I think that's just maturity and growing up. So
hopefully this off summer, this offseason, the summer will help
him in that regard as well. Alright, So I just
position wise, do they most need a five? Do they
most need a point? What do they need most? I'm
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gonna say a five. They need a big losing Alex
Lynn uh, Tyson Chandler very limited in the last year
of his contract, Alan Williams very undersized as the other
so called big man, so Devin Booker, uh, Brandon Knight's
coming back off an a c L injury so uh.
And it looks very good in uh at the end
of the season, working out getting ready for the off
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season next year. So if there's one spot, I'd say,
you know, a big guy in the middle of the
first priority with the group of players that they have
right now, I guess that the question he comes though,
and DeAndre is a man child. He played down the road,
uh the you know starvers. I think he's an Arizona
guy and he and he graduated from you. I mean,
so it's not like he hadn't watched every game and
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and like, look he checks many of the boxes even
for the two eighteen center because he can shoot. He
has good feed. Maybe not the NBA range, but every
guy seems to develop that stuff as as they get
to the league. But what about the idea tim of
Hey centered the NBA is like running back in the NFL?
Like could you could you use him? Yeah? But you
can live without him. This is a world of small ball.
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Would that holds you back from drafting uh DeAndre eight
number one? Overall? It wouldn't hold me back because everything
you mentioned, he's he's already shown very capable of shooting
the ball facing up, so the pick and pop is
there as well as his pick and roll games. So
it really is where what you feel you can get
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done in the free agent market. Maybe you put Don
check and uh and Devin Booker in the back court
if you feel very confident that you get get a
capable big to fill in for that need in the
free free agent market. Because that's another strong suit of
the Phoenix Suns this summer is there is the cash,
the cap room that they have in the free agent market.
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But now you play that game. The draft is June
twenty one. Free agency doesn't open until July one. Which
way do you go? Which which bed? Which which bet?
Your hedge? First? Tim Kempton joining us in the Doug
Outlip Show here on on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look,
you you played in this league, You've covered it forever.
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You're watching last night. Here's what I said about about Lebron.
I don't think last night was Lebron's fault, but I
do think building a team of shooters and building around offense,
as well as the fact that he didn't say he
was all into stay in Cleveland after the season, those
two things have undone Cleveland for the life of the season,
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even though last night wasn't his fault. No, you're exactly
right now. Just undermines that, you know, the way that
roster is constructed. It's amazing that they're they're where they
are right now, and we're just seeing a very good
Boston team kind of kind of just pick them away,
like you know, just find the weak spot every time
down the floor, and the physicality of Boston is something
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to watch at every position. Just into un as a
group group of guys and and playing extremely hard. It's
it's kind of fun to watch the team basketball that
they're playing, and it's you know, it's unfortunate that Lebron
is trying to do this all by himself, without without
consistent help, night in the night out. Yeah, no question
about it. Do you think Houston UH can can can
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beat Golden State? Now? I think the mental toughness of
Golden State is just a little bit better up and
down the roster. You know, You've got Sean Livingston coming
off the bench that that gives them a lot of help.
And they're just so good at every position. Yes, Houston
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has James hard and Chris Paul and they're very good
one on one. But the defense that that Golden State plays,
it just makes it so difficult to score every time
down the court, and it just looks like they're getting
easy shots. So I think Golden State wins this series handily. Again,
I brought the US up. I brought this up yesterday.
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You know, you played on one of the great scoring
teams of your era, right when you played for Paul
Westfall with the Sons. You guys had Tom Chambers, you
had Chuck you had Ange Uh, you had Uh, you
had Dan Marley, right, Kevin Johnson running the point. Yeah. Yeah,
And you guys took at the time the most NB
A thousands, almost eleven hundred threes, whereas the Warriors shot
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twenty three hundred threes this year. Right, two and a
half time. It really is crazy, Alex changed, Yeah, sure hasn't.
And and Doug the whole thing. Not only as you
mentioned earlier, not just the guards, but the big guys
stepping out. We're seeing Aaron Bains develop a short corner
three shot to make him even more of a weapon
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for the Boston Celtics. Al Horford doing such a great
job shooting at three. Yeah, it's really has changed this
game dramatically. Tim Kempton, Timmy, do a great job with
the Sons. We really appreciate you join us. Look forward
to talk with me to more before the draft to
get started talking to Jim Kempton, Sons color analysts joining
us on the Doug Gotlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio has
(26:04):
the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all
of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and
within the I Heart Radio app. Super super interesting to
see what Chris Paul would do next. You know, you
remember where Chris Paul was originally headed. I mean like, look,
I don't know if if if you what you do
with the a Lonzo ball thing, and I think they
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really like Alonzo ball. But if you could have both
of those two via Chris Paul and Lebron James and
everything else, and you you simply, you know, trade away
a Lonzo Ball, I don't think that's I don't think
that's out of the realm of possibility. Look, I think
the Lakers, personnel wise, I think they would make some
(26:47):
They would make most any adjustment that Lebron's team thought
was was smart. I don't think they will change personnel.
I don't like Luke Walton is, at least for now,
is going to be their coach. They believe Luke Walton
is the perfect coach for what they want to do,
that he's a really, really and totally coach. Now, it
should be pointed out Luke Walton was hired by the
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previous regimes, hired by Genie Buss. Really, okay, so this
is still Genie's call. I don't know if that's And
the one guy that they had floated, remember, had been
floated through the media that maybe Lebron would want to
play for his David Fizdale. He's already off the market,
So I think I do. I believe that they would
if Lebron's like, hey, I'm coming, but a lot of
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Luke Walton's the coach. I don't think they would fire
Luke home like now it looks our coach. You'll be
you'll be, You'll be fine here, You'll like him. Uh?
Do I think that they would say if he stay
said hey we want to play with Chris Paul, I
think they can make it. We can we can make
that happen. We can make that happen. Fox Sports Radio
has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch
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(27:50):
and within the I Heart Radio app. Christopher Sorry joins
us in the Doug got Lip Show. Chris, Are you
a ticket snob? No, I'm not. You'll go sit anywhere, Yes,
I mean, obviously I prefer great tickets, but great seats anywhere.
When was the last time you went and set something
set in bad seats for a game? Concert? Uh, I've been,
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I'll be honest, it's been a while. See Like, yeah,
I would go anywhere. What was the last time you
did it. I don't know, because I would never do that,
especially if you're buying them correct. Well, yeah, because you know, look,
we get three tickets to so Or you know, Presscordos.
We can go to so many games that the thought
of buying one to sit in a bad seat is uh,
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it doesn't really appeal to me anymore. No, going to
games is hard. I mean, like, look, the only reason
I want to go is because my kids are gonna
get that going on the field for batting practice. Yeah,
but then you know, if you sit out far, you're like, man,
then they lose their attention. Plus I'm gonna be paying
attention to my phone where I'm watching the game, watching
the basketball game, all right, Chris Brusorry joins us. You
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can hear him um on Fox Sports Radio Sunday nights.
It's a great show. I listened to a driving around
the afternoon here in the West Coast, East Coast six
to nine pm Eastern time. Uh, here's what I said
to start the show. And you can feel free to agree,
disagree or whatever. I wish Lebron would have taken over
the game last night like he did in the first quarter,
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in the same way in the fourth quarter. But outside
of that, I find it really hard to find fault
with him. Dude, you can't do it by yourself, even
if he had to do it by himself. But all
of this could have been potentially avoided had he simply
stated he was coming back, right, and and like, look
the roster, So what you think Kyrie would have been there?
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Or I think the Kyrie? Could he have tried to
work out the Kyrie thing? Sure he didn't, but could
he have if he simply said he was coming back.
Many of the moves that were made, they're trying to
balance out. Look, we want to make sure that we
give Lebron a shot, but we gotta get this draft
pick right. We got ahold of this draft pick because
this gives us a chance of the future. Yeah, I
think they were right to keep that drafted because if
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Lebron won't commit, then you can't expect us to give
up what could help us in the future in case
you leave. It's not as simple as that. I'm not
disputing any of that. What I am what I am
saying is that I don't I don't think I think
some of this was avoidable in terms of the personnel
that they have had a couple of things. Lebron would
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ever play a different way, He won't. He's not well.
He ain't doing any ball movement offense. And even if
you did, they don't practice, so it's hard to install
an offense when you haven't practiced. But too had he
said he was coming back, the Cavaliers wouldn't have had
to protect themselves against the possibleity of him leaving. Yeah,
I mean, look, I'm not going to jump on him
for keeping his you know, freedom. You know, it's free agency,
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and you know, none of the mean Paul George hasn't
said I'm staying in it. Okay, See that's what free
agents do. Most of them say, I want to be
free and we'll see what happens. But you're right. Look,
I was told that last summer um Paul George told
Cleveland when they were trying to trade for him, that
if Lebron will sign George, you know, he can opt
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out this year. He doesn't have to be a free agent.
And George was willing to opt in and stay this year,
this past season and next season in Cleveland if a
trade was made. If Lebron would commit to just stay
in the two years and Lebron wouldn't do it, so
I said before, he only has himself to blame, because
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at least at least you could have committed to two
years and then you would have Paul George with you.
You guys might have been able to win the championship
or get to the finals at least. So yeah, I
in general, I hear what you're saying. Um, Lebron's going
with these basically year to year deals does put a
lot of stream and challenges on the franchise that he's with.
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Doug out the show, Fox Sports Radio. How is Brad
Stevens being able to do this? It's amazing, man, um,
because there's so much to compliment them about, but their
execution is tremendous. And I think Brad Stevens coach. I
used to say, you know, you played Division one. I
played Division three, and I used to say there were
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some great coaches in Division three, and Stevens played Division three.
He coached at Butler, obviously, but if you gave them
some of those Division three coaches real talent, they could
be really great coaches. And you know, Grad Pavovitch coach
Division three. So um, I think Stevens, you know, a
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lot of times you have to you have to focus
on a lot more strategically and and things like that
when you don't have the talent, and him coming from
Butler where you don't get blue chips allan um, and
now you see him working without blue chip talent for
the most part. I mean, Jason Tatum and Brown are
blue chippers, but they're young. Um. He's just able to
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get the most out of it. One thing I love
about him is that when you fill in for a guy,
like when Terry Rosier replace Kyrie Irving, he didn't shreat
Terry Rosier like a backup. You know, don't think you're
gonna shoot like as much as Kyrie did or do
what he did. He let him have the freedom that
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Kyrie had, you know, and you see Rosier capitalizing on
it and playing so well. You know, Doug, if a
coach gave you freedom, you were likely to play better
than you were if you felt like you were, you know,
walking on the eggshells, looking at the at the bench
every time you made a mistake. You can't play with
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one eye on the bench, there's no question. But plus,
if you watch the teams at Butler, you know, uh,
two things. One, his teams were incredibly physical, which is
what this team and this team is very very physical. Yeah. Yeah.
The second thing is this is actually what he did
at Butler. People forget he lost Gordon Hayward after the
first National Championship run, got back to the National Championship
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Game without him with without him, um, and I think
without Shelvin Mac that second year as well, and he
ends up going to the National Championship Game. Granted they
got blasted by by a UKUN team that had more talent,
but that was that was more impressive than the first
time when he had two NBA players on his on
his roster. Yeah. I mean, look, he's been phenomenal. Um.
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There's just no if sayings or buts about it. And
for him not to get a vote from the coach.
And I talked to a GM who was telling me
he said, it's definitely jealousy because guys feel like, you know,
he didn't pay his NBA dudes, he barely played Hey
college dudes. Some guys feel like because he was so young, um,
and he wasn't you know, his mid major versus major.
And that's where a lot of that stemmed from Christopher
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Sorry joining us in the Doug Outlip Show. Did you
notice the comments after the game from Tristan and j R.
Smith complimenting how well coached the Celtics were. Isn't that
a direct shot at their own coach? Some what somewhat
I mean, tylu Uh is not and it's happened all
you look. I think he's done a very good job.
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You as you've kind of alluded to a little bit earlier,
it's not easy to coach Lebrian James. However, the benefits
are great. You know, Without Lebron James you don't have
that championship on your resume either. So it's tough. Um.
I think Tis had his moments, but um, he's also
had some some bad moments as well. And uh, I
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think it was definitely a shot. You know, all year long,
they haven't held the defense account, you know, and when guys,
you know, some teams, if you don't, you lose an assignment,
you lose miss the rotation, whatever, is there a timeout
all and they jump on you or you're you're coming
out of the game. They haven't done that in Cleveland,
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and so you saw last night they couldn't get like
one of the differences with this team. And know some
of those other poor teams that Lebron James either took
to the finals and oh seven or deep in the playoffs.
They those were defensive minded teams and they had energy
guys and some tough grinders. You know, you had Eric Snow,
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you had Anderson vers Out, you had the Lion take
West so they could get a stop. They weren't great
offensive teams outside of Lebron, but they could get a stop.
This team is great at times offensively, but they're up
and down because they're based on the three point line
outside of Lebron, and so when they need to get
a stop, they just can't do it. Some of that
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to their personnel, some of that that they may not
be being held as accountable as they need to. And
what's like that they make this thing as serious. Well
technically they're still very much in it, you know. I
mean Boston hasn't been good on the road. Cleveland's been
five and one at home. Terry Rogier goes from like
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an eight teen point score to a thirteen point score,
from a forty six percent three point shooter to a
twenty four percent three point shooter on the road. Uh
Our Horford from twenty points to twelve points on the road.
So Cleveland obviously will play better. The role players will
be better in Cleveland than they the Cleveland's role players
than they were on the road. So you and you
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got obviously the best player in the world. So they
got a great chance to go back to two. I
wouldn't panic over being down oh two, what if I'm Cleveland.
What concerns me is that this team Boston just has
more fight than we do. And the Cavaliers just don't
seem like they're built for that kind of fight anymore.
You saw it against Indiana when they got a significant
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lead twelve points or higher, ten points whatever, they tended
to relax, to take their foot off the gas, including Lebron,
and next thing you know, they're in a nail fighter
and they win by two or three. You can't do
that with this team at all. And I don't know
if Cleveland wants to have a forty eight minute fight anymore.
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They want to punch you like they did last night.
They try to hit you early, hit you hard, and
hope you'll submit. Toronto submitted, and then it was easy.
They coasted from there. This team is not gonna submit.
And so that's what concerns me about Cleveland. Are they
ready for the fight and built for a fight. What
what adjustments do we see from Houston today? Well, you know,
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everybody's making a big deal out of dance Tony saying
we're gonna do what we do. We are an ice
sol team. Uh. Eric Gordon coming out and saying we
need to pass the ball, not run as much ice.
So I think both can be right, because they ran
twice as much ice so essentially as they did in
the regular season in Game one and you know, Golden State,
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whether it's purposely or not, they bait you into playing
ice so because when they switch everything, that's kind of
what it ends up being, you know, one on one
and if you thinking, just stick to what it did
during the regular season, where they ran about isolation plays
a game, which was number one in the NBA. But
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in Game one they ran forty five. That's essentially twice
as many. That's why Gordon says, man, I'm not getting
the ball, not in the rhythm because even though they
run a lot of ice soh usually they don't run
this much. So if they just get back to staying
in their game, playing and not get caught up in
just going one on one too much. Then I think
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that's best for them. Look, I think Golden Stakes a
better team, but I think Houston can be at its
best and have a chance of winning tonight. Yeah, listen,
I think it's it is that it is purposeful. I
think Golden State does it for a reason. I think
they're like, go ahead because it it Also as bad
as Harden is defensively, he's made even worse because he's
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having to go one on one every time. And you know,
all he's was trying to do, Chris is what the
Calves did two years ago, which is go at Steff
every time down. So look it it achieved its goal.
They scored on Steff and they wore Steff out as
he didn't have a good offensive game. The differences Now
you've got two other guys that can carry you still.
And meanwhile, James Harden is a bad defender, is made
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worse because he's exhausted from from offense. Well, you know, Doug,
how hard it is even if I mean, look, Harden
is a phenomenal one on one player, there no two
ways about that. But still it is hard to shake
and bake for ten fifteen seconds and score virtually every
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time down the court. And the difference between Golden State's buckets,
which can't seem to be so easy. I mean, obviously
Durant made some tough shots, uh, not be tough for him,
but tough for your typical player. But for the most part,
they're getting open threes, they're getting backdoor layoup. Steph is
beating his man and getting in the lane for a layup,
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and Houston just every bucket looks so hard and difficult.
I just don't think you can do that for the
for forty eight minutes in a seven game series against
a great defensive team. I agree with you, totally agree
with you. Um you said, let's go back to the Celtics.
You think this this this changes when Kyrie Irving returns
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in terms of how he feels about being on the Celtics.
For for people who don't here, this is going back
to Monday when you're on the herd. Right. Yeah. I look,
I'm not saying Kyrie is feeling a certain way about this.
I'm just and I'm not saying he's selfish. I'm saying
he's human. And you know, I mean, as an athlete
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at the highest level especially, you want to shine and
you want to be a part of why you're winning,
and it is tough on any Look, he's tight with
these guys. I'm sure he's happy. You know, he's a
Celtic and they're winning. So there is a part of
you that's just happy for your guys and for the success.
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But there's also a part of you that wants to
that's like, man, they're getting it done without me, you know.
And and that's all I'm saying now. We I talked
today with Jason McIntyre about whether or not Boston should
make a trade this summer. I would try to get
Kauai Leonard. I would try to trade Gordon Hayward for him,
(42:34):
and you know, if I have to throw in Terry
rocher and and the Kings pick or whatever. But also,
as much as I love Kyrie Irving, Kyrie Irving can
opt out of his contract after next season. Remember Boston
was not on his list of four teams he wanted
to be traded to. It was San Antonio, Miami, New York,
(42:56):
and Minnesota. So do you worry about, well, will he
leave in nineteen as a free agent and we get
nothing for him. If you're concerned about that, do you
look to move him this summer when you see you
can have success without it. I mean, I'm not saying
any of this is in the works or that I
(43:17):
would even do this. I'm just saying these are all
things that the Celtics probably have to consider based on
how much success they're having. These are these are first
world problems. You realize that, right, like, let's see them
all play together and let's let's let's let's because I
do think that ultimately not having Kyrie and Gordon Hayward
(43:38):
gets exposed if they can advance to see the Warriors.
I think we all think that, and that the thought
is that if you can bring most of it back
next year, that was the plan, and then once you
win a championship, people like, all right, and then can
you get some of these guys to sacrifice future contracts
to stay with the team. That's the the fascinating thing.
Last thing, last thing, is it legitimate? Do you think
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Clay will take us stantial haircut from what he could
make to stay with the Warriors. I do think he will,
um and I love the fact that he wants to
stay with the Warriors. I think that's the smart He's
James worthy. You know, he's going to go down, he's
gonna be a Hall of Fame, he's gonna have who
knows how many championships, and he's still getting his twenty
points a game, will be in the All Star Games
(44:18):
and all that. Why risk as great as Clay is
and I think he's a great player. I don't think
he's a number one player or a contending team and
I think most people feel that way. So why look
at Harrison Barnes And he's much better than Harrison Barnes.
But we haven't thought about Harrison Barnes since he left
Golden State. And he left he's left the Dallas Mavericks
(44:39):
in scoring, But who cares play Thompson. I think it's
very you know, it shows that he's comfortable in his
own skin. He said time and time again. He doesn't
have to get all the attention that Steph and KD
and even Draymond get. He's content doing what he does.
I just think that's that's great that he no as
(45:00):
himself so well and isn't motivated by every last dollar.
I get it. I don't really want him to leave
fifty million on the table. You know, if he can
get one thirty five or one thirty eight or whatever
it is, and he's willing to take ninety two. I
mean I would rather see him get all his money,
but I would rather see him and do it in
in golden state. And if it means taking a little
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less to stay in a great situation than going somewhere
in a that's not a great situation, but you get
more money, I applaud him for, you know, recognizing it.
I'd rather be in a great situation. I'm still making
a ton of money, you know, whatever it is. Chris
Pers Chris great stuff. Look forward to here in the
show six to nine pm Eastern Time with Rob Park.
(45:44):
Of course, she has a podcast out with Jason McIntyre. Chris,
thanks for joining us. All right, dog any time man,
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