The Disconnect on Steph Curry & Vinny Del Negro

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All right, let's get the sports Doug Gotlive show here
on Fox Sports Radio. There is an interesting disconnect between
the sports fan and the sport. There's an interesting disconnect
between the sports fan and these sports sports fans, many
of them now. He can't forgive Kevin Durant for leaving

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Oklahoma City. Not only can they not forget that they
were up three games to one against the Golden State Warriors,
and does it become the popular popular joke, Hey, if
he loses to the Rockets, does he then join the Rockets?
But in many ways they can't recognize his profound breakthrough talent.

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It's interesting, Um, Steph Curry did something that superstars are
not supposed to do. He asked for help. As part
of the Hampton Five. He went to Kevin Durant like, hey,
we'd love for you to join us. Why he was
a two time m v P, had finished the season

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as the unanimous m v P, and he had the
intestinal lower intestinal fortitude to say I need help. And
because Steph Curry has two m vps, because he has
two NBA titles, one with one without Kevin Durant, and

(03:44):
because the Warriors struggled down the stretch without him. There
are many people a matter of fact, they're their own
color broadcaster joined us yesterday to say he was he
was the most important member of the Golden State Warriors.
Fans will tell you that he's an all time great.
I think people in the League of like, look, he's

(04:07):
an unbelieved Chris Paul said, I'm a better player every
I do everything better except shoot the ball. And he's
probably right, probably right now, shooting is incredibly valuable. Three
is more than two. Even my Oakland State education can
tell me that mathematically. But it's one of those things
to which we are so fascinated by the threes and

(04:29):
by the point totals that sometimes we miss some of
the other things that are missing in his game. I
was driving around Los Angeles listening to Colin cow heard
earlier today, and he he had on Darryl Morey. Darryl
Morey is the general manager of the Houston Rockets. He's
an M I. T. Grad, very bright. Obviously, he's somebody
who champions analytics. We can get into the impetus of

(04:52):
that discussion a little bit later on, but but I
I was actually listening intently to an answer he had.
Colin asked him if they'd found a way to beat
the Warriors. Take a listen to his answer. There are
lots of ways to lose to the Warriors. There's no
there's a good way to do it. It's not can

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this way beat the Warriors? The question we we faith
is what is our best plan to give us the
best chance? And that that's what we're doing. But it's
not like we go in saying, oh, we do act,
this is gonna work. We're doing acts because it's the
best plan and we think it gives us the best
chance to win, and we think it's a good a
good chance to win. But obviously no one's sitting here

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with a great chance to beat a team that won
seventy three games and then add one of the great
greatest players of all time. Do you hear that last sentence?
You heard the last sentence. The last sentence is the
most telling sentence. You know, he said they added one
of the greatest players of all time. I would concur

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I had people who laughed at me in the media
when I said Kevin Ransome one of the ten best
modern day basketball players period. It's one m v P.
He's one of finals MVP and uh he's the best
player on the best team in the NBA, and by
my estimation, he's the best player currently in the NBA.

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And this will be the second year going. And he's
had other seasons which is closed. Of course. He had
one season to rail by MS fifty one games due
to injury. There is no discussion in the NBA about
whether or not. Steph Curry is one of the all
time greatest players ever, the same thing with Clay Thompson
and very very good. There was a discussion within the

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Warriors and will continue to be that discussion of, hey,
if you had to lose one, like who's actually more
valuable Clay, who plays both ends, who matches up well,
but doesn't necessarily create, doesn't create for others the way
that Staff does or Staff where you have to hide
at one end and requires a lot of volume and
sometimes you know, the numbers can be off like they've

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been the first two games. But he can also create
for others. And he's one of those guys to which
he's so electric that he draws the attention of one
and a half to two guys defensively. So to display
a little bit like there's an honest discussion about whether
or not Clay is better or is better all around
than Steph is. There's no discussion about Kevin Durant. So

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here's what I found to be interesting. Since they've combined forces.
The mainstream fans says it takes away, it thinks it
takes away from Kevin Durand's greatness and only continues to
uh continues to point out how incredible Steph Curry is.

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The reality or the basketball person says, Kevin Durant is
far and away their best player, and he's so out
shown Steph Curry at both ends of the floor because
of his size, because of his versatility, and because of
his skill that it shows the difference between one of

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the greatest players who have ever played bas basketball and
a Prenny All Star who's maybe the best shooter we've
ever seen. Steph Curry in many ways has a little
Lad Guerrero to him. I'll bring this up because Vlad
Garrow's son is tearing up the minor leagues. Black Garrow,
I'm an angel fan. Blad Grow was the best bad

(08:33):
ball hitter I've ever seen in baseball. It was weird.
You have a better shot to hit one at his shoelaces,
or if it's skipped, then if you threw it right
down the middle. But you didn't want to throw right
down the middle because there was the thought that black
Garrow would deposit it somewhere into the outfield right or
in the outfield seats. I don't think black Garrow is
one of the ten best players I've ever seen but
he's one of the ten best bad ball he he

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he was the opposite of what you've been told. He
always told old, Hey, hit balls that are in your zone.
Hit balls that are in your zone. Right, But why
it's all because of percentages. The percentages tell you that
you hit it in your zone, you're way more likely
to see success. That's the same thing with Steph Curry.
The quick release, the not even looking at what you're

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doing when you're shooting the basketball, shooting off of crossovers,
shooting with the contested hand in your face, the high floaters.
All of US players have been able to take those
in the past, they didn't. Why because they were seen
as low percentage shots. Right, he's the best bad shot.
Take her I've ever seen. You almost want Steph Curry.

(09:42):
Sometimes you almost want to leave it wide open. You
almost think, maybe not to leave it wide open. But
you never would leave Steph Curry wide open because you
think it's coming out of the bottom of the net.
I'm not sitting here trying to tell you Steph Curry stinks.
Far from it. Perennial All Star, top ten, top fifteen
player in the NBA, no question. But I heard Darryl
Morey say something that I've long thought and it kind

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of reiterated what basketball people will say, which is Kevin
Rants one of the greatest players we've ever seen play basketball,
but then add one of the greatest players of all time,
of all time. And yet I think outside of in
basket inside basketball, the the fan, if you will, is

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like a couldn't do it on his own, couldn't do
it with Westbrook chickened out up three games the one
and choked that somehow takes away from the talent that's
on display. It's a weird. It's a but I can
guarantee you're sitting there, you're nodding your head. I do
have a question of the day for you. I posed
it on Twitter. It's gotten incredible feedback. We're gonna ask

(10:48):
all of our guests this. Jeff Schwartz is gonna join
his former offensive lineman for several teams most don't believe.
The Giants. Vinnie del Negro is gonna join us, of course,
former player in the NBA, former head coach in the NBA.
Jason McIntire's gonna join us, of course, started the Big Lead.
You can see him on Fox Sports one Shalm's Uh sure,
Shams Sharania is gonna join us up coming next. He's

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an NBA inside from sports. Here's the question of the day.
Do you mix? Do you mix your athletic brands when
you get dressed every day? Do you mix your athletic
Like if you're rocking some Nike shoes, will you wear
under armour shorts and an Adida's shirt? Because I I

(11:33):
walked into us. I walked into a Starbucks to get
my wife or chai this morning, and I saw a
guy come in and he was obviously getting ready to
play golf, and he had everything head to tell. He
had the under armour uh spikes on, he had the
underarmer pants, he had the underarmer belt, he had the
under armour shirt, he had the underarmur hat, he had
the whole thing. He wasn't walking. He had more underarmer

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gear than Steph Curry has. And there was a little
bit of respect that was like, man, you really put
that thing together. It looks nice, and then it was
love okay, but you could have gotten wet, couldn't you
have gotten away with? So that's the question of the day.
Will pull all the guys will pull all of our guests,
I think you'll be interested to hear what i'd I'd
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I try to wear a Nike because that's my favorite.
But if they if I had a Adidas on and
a Nike shoes on, I wouldn't. It wouldn't bother me.
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but if they do, it's better. I'm I'm a Nike guy.
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Where where Phoenix's general manager Ryan McDonough is on ESPN two. Meanwhile,
guy who could now their owner and others are actually
at the euro League Final four. Sean Sharani is joining
us from Yahoo Sports. Um, how much do you think
the number one pick is in play? Like there's some
people like it's eight and Nate and Natan others. You know,
they hired the Slovenian national team coach Uh to come over,

(14:55):
and of course he coached Luca don Chick. How much
do you think is in play at number one? Doug
officially having me on, I do think that Ryan McDonough,
James Jones, the the entire problems they're gonna go through
the process with with all these process they're gonna bring in.
I'm sure they're gonna bringing Jaren Jackson, Marvin Bagley, But
the number one overall pick, Uh, as soon as they

(15:16):
fell in their favor, was gonna come down with DeAndre
Ayton and Luka Dodgers teams picking below. The Sons believed
that their pick is gonna be DeAndre Ayton, but the
Sun has to have to do their due diligence. Obviously
there's a close connection with the coach with Luca um Dodgers,
who's playing right now in the year League Final four.
So um, it's very much employed. Like I think there's

(15:37):
a decision that's gonna be mapped out in May. But um,
all my consensus of DeAndre as now and look, and
I know that the draft is in solely what you do.
Covering the NBA is what you do. But I do
want to ask you about Trey Young. He was a
guy that got so much fanfair did leave the country
and scoring in assists and a lot of people want
him to be the next the next STEPH Curry, but

(16:00):
he really struggled the second half of the year, was
eliminated after one game the n c A Tournament and
others have a tough time buying into him his next
STEPH Curry. What what's the general consensus you get from
NBA people. Do they think he's more Curry or more
Jimmer for debt. I think NBA people know the Steph
and Curry comparisons were a little overblown. I mean, listen,
anytime a guy is suiting thirty five foot jumpers jumpers,

(16:22):
you're gonna compare him to Steph and Curry, just because
that's what step has made made so popular among all
these kids. And Tredy was a byproduct of that. I
think a big focus of trades Tree draft posses has
been his strength. He's already gained in loving a tall
pounds of muscle. He's he's a guy that's gonna really
focused in. He's training with the guy in travel games
UM on the West Coast who has really helped him, uh,

(16:43):
really flourish as as a as a you know, in
terms of strength and conditioning. That's where he's got to
make these leaps and bounds, uh leaps and bounds. And
I think he's he's on that track. But NBA teams
know he's a shooter. He's a guy that's gonna come
into workout UM and you're gonna need to really have
him sell you on the fact that he can score
the ball to create facilitates at his size at at

(17:03):
six one UM. But I think NBA teams know what
he is and I don't think there's anyone that's jumping
thinking that he's a stuff in Curry at at his
size and and what he's brought Shawnie and joining us
from Yahoo Sports covering the NBA is a great job.
He's actually at the NBA Draft combine the playoffs get
back underway tomorrow. Um what what? What's going on in Cleveland.
It's one thing to lose, it's another thing to lose

(17:26):
to a team without their two best players. But it's
the way in which at times there's a give up,
there's a there's there's a little bit of white flag
at times in terms of effort and cohesion. What have
you been able to determine is is that issue there
that this Cavalier team not only lost twice, but there's
a lack of effort and cohesiveness in both those losses.

(17:49):
You know I've covered that. I've covered their games, so
four of their games in the first rounds, two of
the games in the second round. I haven't been to
any of the comment finals games. But what I picked
up on in the first two rounds when when Lebron
James has to really be god like superhuman in his effort,
he wasn't that in game one, he was that in
game two. They just there's a there's alestalgic mindset around
that team when guys don't have it going, like Kevin

(18:11):
Love isn't making shots, when John Smith isn't making shots,
and that that's impact of the whole team. They haven't
had the consistent efforts from Rodney Hood and Jordan Clarkson
and Larry n the guys that the are An Office
traded for Um on a trade online. There was a
lot of fanfare about it. They just haven't gotten the
simpsonson effort. At the end of the day, if you
can't be so the lion on on one player, and

(18:31):
that's how I how I viewed this team. They just
they haven't gotten con consistent effort, and that's that's really
hooked on what I heard. You know, Brian Windhorst was
on Pardon the Interruption, and he was just kind of
thinking out that He's like, look, I don't see him
going to the West, you know, or going to the Lakers,
because if you go to the Lakers now of a sudden,
you still have to beat the Warriors or the Rockets.

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But he doesn't seem staying in Cleveland. But he doesn't
see the seventies sixers being a fit. What what what's
the buzz in Chicago about the most likely destination of
Lebron James next season? Well, until Lebron James gets eliminated
the playoffs, there's there is really no sense for him
in terms of what he's gonna do. He's gonna sit
down with the season and decide on teams, which he's
gonna which seems gonna be with who's gonna be in contention.

(19:16):
The sense around him around his camp has always been like,
find be a spot where I can get to the finals,
where I can win. That's not in Cleveland, Like people
keep coming back to the move in Cleson Cavaliers. They've
been to the final. He's been to the final seven
years in a row. Now um has a chance. You know,
they come back in the series to get their eight
eight years in a row. Now, if they lose, that's

(19:37):
where you have to look around. You have to look
around the Eastern comps, you have to look around the league.
But until they lose, I just don't see how Lebron
James can can look around and and really find another team.
Like if you're making consistent final runs. Even when the
Lakers rumors first started up a year ago that it
sensed his word around his around people around him, around
that team, around the Kavaliers was you know, we're going
to the finals every year against whether it's Golden State

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against them Spurs, Like, why would we give that up?
So out west? Um, And it's really just gonna have
to add up and other songs gonna need to commit
and until all that lines up, I just don't see
scenery yet where the pro is going to go in bold. Um,
what's the matter with Steph Curry? M Um, he's he,
I mean, he's he's at an mcl issue. Um, you

(20:21):
know dating about the other stude. I haven't heard there's
any issue right now in terms of his out as
far as it's being, you know, any severity to it. Um,
he listen, they just gotta make shots. Him and Klay
Thompson they missed shots the other night. And you know,
I think step was the first admitted like, I've got
to make shots. I gotta defend and those are things
he didn't do at a high level the other night,
I said. Shan Shania from Yahoo Sports joining us, I said,

(20:43):
to start the show like It's interesting the mainstream sports
fan seems to have a little bit less or maybe
a lot less respect for Kevin Rant since joining the Warriors,
whereas they've maintained a level of respect for force for
Steph Curry. You know, Steph doesn't play well well, he's
got to be hurt. Whereas I think inside the NBA
people realize there's a there's a difference in the overall

(21:06):
in the overall game, overall level of talent, like Kevin
Durant is a once in a generation one of the
all time great sort of players, whereas Steph Curry is
an incredible shooter score who can pass as well. But
there's a there's the truth is kind of combining the
two has exposed the fact that Durant is that much
better a player. Is that fair? Well listen step one

(21:27):
without k D. So So when when when the topic
Kevin Kevin Durant is always gonna be judge a little harsher.
His town level has always been on another level as
far as stuff is concerned. He's always been judged one
of the best players in the league. So the microscope
on him, especially after he made the movie Gold States,
and it's been higher period. And that's how I've always
viewed the teams are you know, people are gonna look
around at stuff and Curry and he's got them. He

(21:48):
had the MTL issue during the season and he gave
it the full five weeks, so it's not like he
rushed back. I never got the sense of around his camp,
around the Warriors that he was going to rush back
and he didn't. And um, he's gotta make shots. He's
got to play better, and I think they know that.
But the microscope will always be greater on Kevin Durant,
especially after he made his movie What's going On with
Kawhi Leonard Um, He's he's he's worked to rehab on

(22:15):
on on his body. He's, uh, he's been fully committed
to the team, and uh, you know, I think what's
gonna happen is they're gonna need to sit down here
before the draft and come to come the consensus on
where his features stands, where he stands, where the team stands.
You know, it's all gonna it's all gonna be put
on the line, but there's nothing that's going to be
decided until those the people, the main people involved on

(22:38):
both ends get in the room together before the draft.
In your mind, based upon the people you talk to,
is the relationship reparable. Yeah, I do think I do
get that sense. I don't think the Spurs have moved
past tow while Leonard. I don't think kwhile Leonard has
moved past to the sport. And I think there's been
an amount of loyalty on an amount of commitment at
the end of the day, Kai Kaua. Leonard has always

(22:59):
maintained his if I would healthy, I would be playing.
You know, if I felt healthy, I would be playing.
And there's been a lot of shots taking out of
at different points, and uh, you know, some deserve from
not room. But he's you know, he's committed, and I
think the Spurs are committed. And now they just got
to get in the room and they've got to compromise.
There are some wounds that need to be healed and
that will come. You know, we would just be guessing

(23:19):
and speculating before they got in the room here before
draft night and and really sat down and came came
to terms of what the future hold. Sean's great stuff.
Get back to networking. You do an incredible job of
it in Chicago. Thanks so much for joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. Appreciate you man, Thank you all right,
Sean Sharania joining us NBA Insider for Yahoo Sports. Uh,
the Doug Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's

(23:41):
get to David Gascon. David, by the way, do you
do you mix your your athletic brands? Yes? I do
actually and I get called out for it, which is
even worse at the gym. We'll have a bigger discussion
on this, but it's it's interesting on how dudes are
not allowed to mix athletic brands. But but unless it's
it's a non athletic bro. I'll get to that upcoming.

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was on one oh five point three The Fan in Dallas.
He had this to say about Jason Garrett. When you
really look at it, it doesn't make sense for Jason
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or not really progressing with the organization even as a

(25:53):
team under his under his coaching tenure. There it all
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(26:15):
for a couple of years. Jason Garrett was a backup
quarterback at the time, or maybe he just started. I'm
not sure if you had just started as a as
a coach at that time. I felt like I felt
like Jason Garrett went from went from playing to coaching
and then to head coach kind of quickly, didn't He
felt like a quick transition teo is what oh six
through oh eight, I'm gonna say, right, and uh yeah,

(26:39):
So I guess so he was. He was the offensive
coordinator and assistant head coach at that time. So Jason
Garrett had a good portion to play with Arrell Owens
being cut by the Dallas Cowboys, Right, So I do
think that, And I didn't listen to the interview and
its entirety, but I would guess that that's a portion

(27:01):
of it. Is Jason Garrett a great coach, I don't know.
I do know one of the most difficult things to
do is be consistent in the nash Football League. Here's
Jason Garrett's record since taking over mid season in two
thousand and ten five and three, finished that season eight
and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight, twelve and four,
There were four and twelve. That was when Tony Romo
was That was the injury plague Tony Romo year where

(27:24):
he had the multiple fractures of the collar bone and
Dez also broke his foot that year. Uh then thirteen
and three and nine and seven last year. So he's
been the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys for seven
and a half years and he has one season below
five hundred and oh. Yeah. By the way, they lost

(27:48):
their two star players, and I think Sean Lee was
out portion of that season. Who's their leader defensively? They
had all kinds of injuries that year. So, uh, the
idea that they haven't progressed. They were getting better at
eight and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight, and
then twelve and four is getting better and then they

(28:08):
had the injury year than thirteen and three. Last year
was regression. They got rid of. Some guys are over
the hill. I would say, here's where t O does
have at least a leg to stand upon. If everyone
was totally happy with the coaching in Alice, they wouldn't
have had massive upheaval in their coaching in their coaching

(28:29):
ranks this offseason. They did. So Jerry has let it
be known, or Jerry's guys have let it be known.
This is not acceptable. We need to be better. Next year,
We'll let you change, you know, coordinators and position coaches.
But right that's in the that's in the future. Right now,

(28:50):
you're still the head coach, so you know, do I
take into account the fact that to got cut when
Jason Garrett was Aviens coordinator? Sure, Am I looking at
it too realistically too honestly that you know, fact, Jason
Garrett um hasn't had a bad season. Maybe, but the

(29:16):
fact is that that that was Jerry or Stephen Jones
or anybody else. They've let it be known. You've got
to be better. That's why he had to change coaching staffs.
But I also think that some of it is personnel based.
So I've never t O has never been one to

(29:38):
me that comes out and says something to which really
makes me think that's kind of a low hanging fruit
blame the coach, like you could fire you could have
fired Jason Garrett, but one why would you fire him? Now?
Obviously he's talking about fire rap to last year, but
who's the who's the shore fire? Answer? Who's the guy?
A couple of years ago, they were putting in place

(29:59):
a plan to which if Jason Garrett didn't succeed, they
would replace him with uh with Chucky right. They had
all the coaches at the time were former assistants for
John Gruden, all of them. And then he went out
and won twelve games and everybody shut up and he
got a contract extension. That was that was the end
of that. So Uh, I just tell me who the

(30:24):
guy is who you look at and and and you say, oh,
that guy replaced him in the automatically better yes Ryan Music.
It's interesting that he says this now because I feel
as though with Jason Garrett and the Cowboys, the time
for him to go would have been like three or
four years ago, when the whole stigma around the Cowboys

(30:45):
was they'll never get above eight and eight and you
were constantly maybe like underachieving during that Witten and Tony
Romo era. Now they have young players. They had a
ton of success that first year with Dak and Zeke.
This past year, shan Lee was injured off and on,
and then you had the whole Zeke thing which totally
through the team for a loop. Plus their offensive line

(31:07):
dealt with injuries. Like it seems weird that after last season,
maybe you could have said he should have done some
adjustments to keep them a little bit afloat, But there
are two games above five hundred. I don't see where
he's coming from in this moment, and that's why I
tend to agree with you. This has more to do
with how he feels about Jason Garrett from his time
coaching as opposed to what's happened more recently. So uh,

(31:30):
here here would be my I don't think their play
calling was terribly creative last year, and that would fall
on hit, that would fall on him. Um, but remember
they didn't have Tyron Smith a good chunk of last year.
He's the best left hack on the league by a
good margin. They didn't have a zeke Y Elliott for

(31:50):
six games last year. He's, if not the best, one
of the best running backs in the game by a
good margin. We've discussed as Bryant and we discussed Jason
Witten both having lost a step. On the other hand,
there could have been a lot more play calling creativity,
I would point out. It also showed that, look, there's
some limitations there, some limitations there too to what Dak

(32:12):
Prescott was capable of. The only a second year starting quarterback.
I I said this, this is going back before the
season began. I said that second year quarterbacks are like
raising three year olds. Okay, so here's we talked a
lot about parenting today. Three year olds are harder than
two year olds. You know why, because if you don't

(32:35):
have kids like music, you don't have kids, what do
you know about raising kids. Do you know about the
terrible twos? Correct? I know next to nothing, but yes,
I know what you're talking about. And and terrible tunes?
Do you means what they have enough of like a
personality to where they like throw tantrums and everything, but
you're hoping that they should be grown out of it
by then. Well, they just there's there's a there's a

(32:58):
hair trigger sometimes mood swing, and there's a desire to
be big, right, they all want to be big, but
they're not. They're just little people, you know. They they're like,
well they learned to walk, Yeah, okay, but they've walked
for less than a year, most of them, or slightly
over a year. Right, there's still they're just a disaster.

(33:18):
Two year olds can be a disaster, right, Like sometimes
two years old and they don't want a nap, but
they still need to nap. So if they don't nap,
they sleep better at night. But if they but if
they don't nap, they get super cranky at the witching hour.
Like there's a lot that goes into it. But if
I told you that three is actually more difficult than two,
You're like, wow, why don't they Why don't they say
that because terrible rhymes with terrible goes better with twos.

(33:42):
I'm not saying that they don't do things more maturely
at three. They do, but you have greater expectations of them.
Three years old. You move them to a big girl,
big boy bed. They're wearing underwear, which is great because
you don't have to change their diaper. But sometimes they
take a dump in their underwear. That's what happens. You know.
It's great that you don't have to worry about getting
them out of their crib, but that means nothing keeps

(34:03):
them in their bed, so they can crowed and get
in your bed, or just be up in the middle
of the night opening a beer, drinking coffee. That's the
same thing with second year quarterbacks, right. Everyone said, well,
rookie quarterback really hard. But rookie quarterback it's like a
two year old. You don't le him do anything. Hand

(34:24):
the ball up, run the play that we or we
give you one audible. But now, if you started for
a year, you think you know everything, and I've been
through this, I know the offense. You become empowered and
slightly entitled, and yet you've only started for fourteen fifteen
sixteen games, still very early on the development. Second year

(34:44):
quarterback is like raising a three year old in many
ways is more difficult than a rookie quarterback or a
two year old. And so Jason Garrett was able to
keep it together. They still had above five record in
spite of the injuries in the suspension, and even with
all that, Jerry and Jerry staff said you gotta make
staff changes. He did. Why is t O saying this?

(35:06):
Because he's t O. I guarantee that from now until forever,
t O is gonna be trying to settle scores people
who kept him out of the Hall of Fame, people
who you think wronged him. He's gonna find a way
to say something to me about Itim. Why because that's
t O. It's a troubled dude, man, he just is alright.

(35:29):
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(36:15):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. David
Gascon what do you have today? We cross brand into
psychic do a little psychic shall NBA action continues tomorrow
night in the city of Cleveland. Lebron James and the

(36:36):
Cavalier's against the Boston Celtics. An O two holes, So
that being sent, will Lebron James score more than thirty
three points in Game three tomorrow night versus the Celtics. UM, alright,
so it's minus one for him to score thirty three
points already three and a half points plus one oh

(36:57):
five Is that what it is? No, it's minus one
oh five if it's under thirty three, So he's more
likely to score under thirty three. Yes, I'll go over
the over thirty three points the lebron James over. Are
they winning this ball game? By the way, I do
think they win this all right, Just to let you know,
the betting public is on the Boston Celtics even with
this line right now at Cleveland minus six and a half,

(37:20):
see if they can mop up and game number three
Western Conference the Rockets. So we'll have the highest scoring
individual quarter in Sunday's Game three against the Warriors Bovada.
And they have the Rockets at plus one sixty and
the Warriors at minus one eight. What you got highest
scoring individual quarter? Yeah, because the Rockets have that ability.
They've scored fifty in a quarter. I'm gonna go Warriors.

(37:42):
Warriors are the favorites to do so. I have to
have the Warriors having one explosive, explosive quarter a lot
of shock. Okay, Switch on over to the National Football League.
Mike Florial from Pro Football Talk wrote earlier today. With
legalized sports gambling, the NFL could look to expand the
regular season to eight teen game games because more games
could mean more money. Will the NFL expand the regular

(38:05):
season by one when the current c BA is set
to expire? No, No, too many games, too many games,
and they'll say, hey, you can make more money and
add more players. But the fact is that would be
in quarterbacks that to play more games you would lead
to more injuries, more guys missing playoff games because they
were hurt. Now, sixteen is about the limit. Do you

(38:26):
think there's any chance the NFL gets that integritive fee,
any kind of cost surcharge? I guess for gambling. Um, Nope, No,
Let stick with the National Football League. Jane Slayter the
NFL Network said Dez Bryant could be holding out to
try and land a contract with the New York Football Giants.
Will Dez Bryant be a New York Giant here in?

(38:49):
And if not, where would he go? Well, that's that
you asked like five different questions there in one. I'm
like psyche, I'm like psychic, but I'm not adnity goodness psychic. Um,
will you be a giant? No? If he's gonna be
a giant, be a giant already. Dez Bryant's best hope
is that somebody gets that a top two wide receiver

(39:10):
gets hurt on one of the better teams. He has
called several of the playoff caliber teams, and by what
I've been told, all have said thanks, but no thanks.
As of now, we'll keep you in mind. You know,
he can't go be a third or fourth wide receiver.
He can't play special teams, and that's not who he
wants to be. He wants to be a one or
two guy, and the best way to do so on
a good team is to wait and see who gets hurt. Yeah,

(39:31):
Sliders actually added to that that right now, it's all
about revenge. That's why he wants to go to New York.
Last one, Michael Porter Jr. Told ESPN about the NBA
Draft combine that he hasn't been healthy since he hurt
his back during a software year of high school, and
one on to say, after recovering from surgery, he can
now quote reach his full potential end quote. Will Porter
end up being the best player and this year's upcoming draft.

(39:54):
I don't believe so. No. I I don't think he
he It's funny he's talking like this. He doesn't play
like he has that kind of alpha mentality. Really really talented,
skilled player and a nice kid. But I don't think
he'll be the best player in this trap is game
time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Jeff Schwartz is a

(40:14):
former offensive line in the NFL. He loves the idea
of legalized sports gambling. We'll have a nice little back
and forth. Plus we'll ask him if he ever cross
brands when he gets dressed. That's next the Doug gotlib Show,
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(40:38):
coming to him from the sunny city of Los Angeles, California,
where we're still waiting, waiting, waiting, right we are waiting
on the NBA Playoffs, which get back underway tomorrow. Vinnie
Del Negro joined us later on the hour. Jason McIntyre
next hour, Uh interesting it, Mark Tchera said on Robbie Cano.

(41:03):
Robbie Cano apparently he knew, so we get to Mark
two shared his comments interesting comments plus more on Steph Curry.
Uh t O being t O t O calling out
Jason Garrett is probably and saying do Jason Garrett have

(41:24):
a job? Is probably the most t O thing do
has done since getting into the Hall of Fame, So
not surprising. Terre Ollen is one of those guys we
started the week talking about James Harden guys, you could
just never really get into you know, we have we
have proposed two really good questions to America this week,

(41:44):
music or I have. I guess I'm gonna take credit
for it because I I've done it, which is, uh, athletes, musicians, movies.
You could just never get into that. Everybody else did.
I've told you Bruce Springsteen not against the Boss, but like, oh,
I wanted to see the Boss and he was up

(42:05):
there for three hours. That sounds terrible to me. It
just does just does singing songs. I don't know. I
don't connect with it really doing it was great energy
for three hours, Like, dude, check please. Plus, you're gonna
have to buy those tickets. No one's getting freevies to
the Boss, right. And maybe here's the other thing about

(42:27):
the Boss. Everyone else is so into the Boss. It's
like talking CrossFit with a bunch of cross fitters. Dude,
how is your workout of the day? Fine? Oh I
was amazing. I feel great. I love when we do
fifteen minutes straight at Burpies and I throw up in
the trash can and then do fifteen more minutes. You

(42:49):
talk with the Boss guys about Bruce Springsteen like man,
that was epic, Like, okay, not there's nothing. I have
nothing against it, just never been able to get into it.
That's how view James Harden James turns great. That's I've
always u t O. I just never get in the
t O thing. It's fine, it's good, it's great talent,

(43:14):
you know. I just I didn't like how he handled
San Francisco. I didn't like how all of a sudden
he was a cowboy. I just I didn't like any
part about it. And I get that he came back
like his his claim to famous, came back early from
injury from broken leg to play in the Super Bowl
and played well, whereas mcdab did not. You do know
they got to the super Bowl without him, right, We

(43:35):
aren't familiar that they got to the super Bowl without
him anyway, Jess Wartz joins this long time NFL linebacker
now uh in in the broadcasting business. Did I say
linebacker lineman could have been a linebacker? Give me give
me an athlete. You've never been able to get into that.
Other people were, I like your Bruce Springsteen, though i'musa

(43:56):
say feel the same way. It doesn't do anything for
me an athlete that I could never get into any
that people were all excited about. That's a good question.
I never, I never I thought about that one before.
So I generally don't get like terribly excited. For many athletes,
I will. I think most athletes don't get into teams right,
Like we don't get into we only have favorite teams.

(44:18):
He's like, I like guys. I like stories. There's guys
that I like. There's guys that I don't like. It
was there was there a Was there a movie or
a TV show that everybody was into our music that
everybody's into other THI yes, yes, here's here's a great
TV show, Big Bang theory. I don't get it at all.
I laughed zero of the jokes. And I like comedies
like The Office, favorite show Ever, Parks and Reck. My

(44:40):
parents watch Big Bang and say my brother does, my
whole family does other people I know watch it? I
don't get it at all. I don't see how it's funny,
why it's funny. Um, I've never understood that. I've tried
to watch it. I've tried to get into it. I
just can't do it. Okay, I like it, um, but
I think it's pretty well written. But it is CBS,
which is written to an older demo, which maybe maybe

(45:01):
is the reason you can't get into Springsteen. Uh t
O had this to say on a Dallas radio station
about Jason Garrett. When you really look at it, it
doesn't make sense for Jason Garrett to continue to have
his job not really expanding or not really progressing with
the organization even as a team under his under his
coaching tenure. There it all boils down to players being

(45:24):
the scapegoat for his inability to lead the team as
he should. For me, it's mind bogging me. I don't
understand it, and I think Jerry again, he's the owner. UM.
At the end of the day, he has to feel
good with himself about the decision. He's had one season
below five hundred UH in his seven and a half
years as head coach. What's your opinion of Jason Garrett. UM,

(45:46):
I think it's great that he's still there. I'll give
you covered to two years ago. By the way, they
were one Fluke Aaron Rodgers playing for making an NFC
Championship game. Most likely last year they deal with with
with the Zeke injury, he was the uspension. The Tyrone
Smith injury. Um, when you fire a coach, you have
to have someone who's better. Like, that's the point of

(46:08):
firing a coach. You hire someone who's better. How many
other coaches are just waiting out there that are infinitely
better than Jason Garrett. And look, there are positions that
Cowboys have right now that are not adequate enough to
compete for a Super Bowl. And that's not that that's
not his fault. There. They have a quarterback on his
rookie deal. They should be going all in and they

(46:29):
can't because they have bad contracts. And that's not a
Jason Garrett prom I watched All or Nothing this year
on the Cowboys that was out a couple of weeks ago. Um.
I think he's doing as good job as he can there. Um,
I think to just sounds a little bitter. Um. I'm
let's do who does this year? With a healthy Tyrone Smith,
Zeke Elliott for a full season, you know, Dak Prescott

(46:51):
another year. You know they drafted certain players to help
with certain positions. Let's do who does this year? Yeah,
I think that's what the Cowboys have said too, and
they've had to change some position. Coach is the Cowboys
you're like, you know, we'd like you to be better,
to change some stuff, show us some improvement. I just
I don't know why there was the immediate like nine
and seven, considering you know, the injuries. They didn't have
Tyron Smith much of last year. Uh, the doc wasn't

(47:15):
that good. Zeke wasn't there half the season, and you know,
we see what they think of Dez and Jason Witt
in terms of being over the hill. Like, I don't
think I actually think nine and seven is pretty good. Yeah,
especially in in that division. We're Washington was competitive. Obviously
we know what the Eagles did. The Giants weren't very good.
But I'm with you on this. I think that that
to continue to be in that conversation every year to

(47:38):
win the division and get to the playoffs. The Cowboys
are one of those teams. Their their axplanition this year
should be taking ten for a playoffs spot where that's
a wild card or whether that's the division and have
a chance to to get in the playoffs and win
a super Bowl. All you gotta do is get in.
I mean get in and you never know what happens.
That's the voice of reason. His name is Jeff Schwartz.

(47:59):
Of course, he's a former NFL lineman and a good one.
He joined us on the dug Outliep Show. Um you
uh you you you actually wrote about um you wrote
about why you like gambling and pro sports? Why? Yes?
Oh wow, Well personally, I mean just for I just
have always kind of had a gambling personality. Um, just

(48:21):
in my career, I had opportunities to take longer contracts,
decided to take shorter contracts, kind of been on myself
and see where that played out one time and did
another time it did? It did play out well? Um,
And so when I got when I retired, you know,
I followed people on Twitter that gamble. I thought, you
know what, let me just try doing it. And I
still a couple of bucks down five bucks a game.
You know. If not, it's not making you know, it's

(48:42):
not paying for my dinner or costing me my kids
college fund. And it's just something, you know, something to
do on Sundays and Mondays and Thursdays to you know,
have a little more interest in the game. And look
the the the Supreme Court, you know, the decision it's
not really a decision about gambling per se. It's more
decision about states rights. But as as a fan of gambling,

(49:03):
I do work for action network that does cover UM,
that does cover gambling. It's a great decision. I think
it will open up people's eyes to to this world
that there is a gambling world. A lot of people
gamble on on sports already. I don't know if more
you will rush out to gamble now. I just think
it'll be easier for the people that want to do it. UM.
I think that if they eventually put kiosk in the stadiums,

(49:25):
which is the way the English primarily does, that will
spike UM. That will spike gambling. But I don't see
any issue with integrity the game. If games want to
be fixed now, especially on the college level, that's the
easiest place to do it. They can be done um
legal or not legal, and I just I don't see
a big issue with it. And then when the sports
leads eventually get advertising dollars from casinos, from books, they're

(49:48):
gonna love it. Yeah, I guess I guess my issue
with it is this, UM. No one I do like
the idea of being able to gamble in stadiums. I've
told people. I've told people for a long time, Hey man,
you want me to get you want to get an
old a young male crowd to go to a baseball game,
Give them an iPad where they can sit in a

(50:10):
specific section and bet on the next pitch, the next thing.
Like it, I'd be in on it. The the The
only issue I have, Jeff, is if you if it
becomes where and we're like, we're not gonna do tout
service stuff on this show, but when it becomes part
of every sports conversation, it's it's kind of like when

(50:30):
you when you saw tattoos on a professional athlete, all
of a sudden became okay for a high school kid
to have tattoos, and then like how far does that
trickle down? Like that? That's my my issue is like, look,
I'm an adult, I'm responsible. I've gambled and one I've
gambled and lost. I've gambled and told my told my
wife and she's like, what are you doing. That's a
waste of money. You're not a professional at it and

(50:52):
not done it. There are people who can't control it,
and uh, it's a little bit like drug use and
alcohol used. Like the more we make it normal, the
more we we we allow it trickles down to a
group who are not old enough to make these sorts
of this is and then you have the run our testing,
which is, hey, what about college kids who now might

(51:15):
be approached even more about about a game, about the score,
about the final bucket played, about a final thing. How
do you how do you handle those type of situations. Well,
let me start with with with what you said last
about the points shaving. So it happens most often in
college basketball because that's basketball is easier sport to do it. Obviously,

(51:35):
in the NBA you're not gonna be able to pay
those guys enough to to shave points off the game.
Most of the time it is with the over under right,
you're just shaving points off a game. You know, you
throw the ball away twice, you missed the foul shot.
We've seen blue chips, right, That's how it's done. Um,
And look, I do think that that would be concerned,
but it's already happened, and it still can happen with

(51:55):
gambling being being legal or illegal as well. Look the book,
you don't want this to happen. If someone comes in
who's not a typical gambler and puts down fifty grand
on an obscure college basketball game. The sports book is
gonna pull that. They're gonna call everybody and say, look,
we have someone in here that might be doing something
illegal and we don't want to be part of this.

(52:18):
And typically Vegas, the sports books are the ones that bring,
you know, bring it to the attention of the government,
of FBI, of whoever that there is. There's biberary going
on because they don't want this to to solely their games.
I'm not terribly concerned. We'll have more regulations now, there'll
be more eyes on this. Um. As far as the

(52:38):
vice if you look, I get I get that, but
I mean, you can't stop people from from having vices.
And here's the thing too. Unlike a bookie where you
might get credit, you're not gonna get credit when you gamble.
Now you have to turn the money in to buy
your ticket. And so if you have no money to
turn in, you can't gamble. So if you blow all

(53:00):
your money, it's not like you can ask a book
you for, hey, I want some credit. And that's where
you get into issues down the line. Um, you'll have
to actually gamble and look for kids. I mean, I
guess sure they can gamble better, but like I said,
I think the regulations will be more Now you have
an app on your phone, you have to obviously present
credentials that you're one or eighteen or whatever they want

(53:20):
to do it. UM. I'm not terribly concerned to turn
about that. All right, Well, listen, it's a it's a
good point you make about not being able to deal
on credit. Uh, it's actually probably the best bet, one
of the best points you've ever made on radio. I
think you should. You should end right by the way
spoon again. In perspect who do you like this weekend? Calves? Uh?
In the Calves game series and in the Warrior series.

(53:43):
From a from a Gambley perspective or from a regular perspective. UM.
I took the Calves in the first half already, UM
minus five and a half against the Celtics. UM, I
think they're gonna come out smoking, dude. I've been so
impressed with with Brad Stevens and that team. UM. And
I think the Warriors the Lawyers probably winning like three
games I wrote, and win the series. UM. If you look,
they've played three games, well lost the game. Three played

(54:05):
three games, well lost the game. UM. They're they're the
best team. I feel kind of bad for Boston man.
They're trying so hard to beat the Calves. They're playing well,
and whoever comes out of the East as again get
smoked by the Warriors. Tend to agree with you. Jeff Schwartz,
who writes, speaks and tweets about sports now after playing
sports in the National Football Like, Jeff, great, great stuff.
Thanks so much for joining us. All right, thanks Swartzy,

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on the Doug Gotliep Show, all right. One of them

(56:00):
is there are no more secrets, only facts yet to
be revealed. Right. There are others. Another one that I
like to use is that you you can't fool players.
You can't fool players, You can fool the media very easily.
You can fool fans even easier. You know, guys a
phony h fans buy into the phony all the time.

(56:22):
Fans are buying the stats or the play or playing
great in one big game. Ask players know they know
who's real, they know who's not. And uh, I thought this.
This is on the Michael K Show in New York.
Here's former Yankee Mark Tischera on Robbie Cano's suspension. I

(56:46):
don't really want to get into too much detail, Michael.
I love Robbie, but yeah, I mean, I'm just not surprised.
I don't really want to go too much further. But
I think a lot of people are kind of saying
the same thing. There's a lot of is that you
just kind of know this is to do for a living.
You know, we see guys when they're young, and then
we see him a little bit sun, we see who

(57:08):
they start hanging out with. You see their body change.
You just kind of know as a as a ball player.
Ye kind of no, which also uh goes to one
of my other expressions, not just that you can't fool players,
is no one gets caught the first time, right, They

(57:28):
just don't you know, the first time somebody says something
they shouldn't does something they shouldn't. Very rarely do you
get caught the first time guy gets fired for a
false fine expense report. Usually not the first time he's
done it. You would have to have the worst luck ever.
You get caught speeding in the school zone, not the
first time, like, oh, that's the first time I've ever

(57:50):
gone nine in a freeway. It just happened to go,
get pulled over, get out of here. So we can
go with the first we we all agree or what
we all believe. Eve Robbie Cano was using steroids or
performance and answers right, or he had a heart liver
or kidney problems because what he got caught taking is

(58:12):
a diuretic. It could be prescribed by by a doctor. Uh,
if you had problems with heart, liver or kidney function.
I'm guessing that would have come up on his physical right.
If he had, he probably struggled playing baseball, let alone
a hundred and sixty two games of baseball if he

(58:33):
had heart, liver or kidney problems. So there there are
only two beliefs. Either one he used it because he
needed it for a heart, liver or kidney issues, or
two used as a masking agent for something that he
was taking. So I was born at night, just not
last night. I'm gonna go with he was using some

(58:55):
sort of juice and his production uh spiking the past
couple of years in Seattle notoriously hard plays to hit
the ball out of. And a former Yankee teammate now
going like, yeah, I kind of new, right, and I
think some of this is baseball doing it to himself

(59:16):
and none of this, none of it would surprised us.
And how many baseball players, I mean Raphael Palmeiro right,
never ever, period? How many guys have we seen that?
I mean Ryan Ryan, think of what Ryan Braun did,
try to ruin some guy who all he was doing
was picking up a urine sample's life, and he came

(59:37):
out was like, yeah, actually I did that. I did
not going after these guys contracts. You're really bothered by it, boy,
his contract, If you're really bothered, if you really embarrass you, Like, look,
if I'm sitting there and I'm the Mariners, we gotta
shot the playoffs and this guy can't play in the
playoffs and him being out ruins are shot at the playoffs. Um,

(01:00:00):
I should be ticked. I'm saving twelve million dollars, Like, yeah,
you know what, avoid his contract if you're really mad.
But baseball did this to themselves. So baseball players lack
any sort of credibility, even though I know, I know
for a fact there's a huge portion of them who

(01:00:23):
have never done anything wrong anything and and if two
Sharah also said, we need longer suspensions. We really, we
really want to get this out of our game. We
need longer But like, look, major League Baseball MLB, they
push for Alex Rodriguez to be not just on Fox,
but on ESPN. This is the guy that baseball players

(01:00:45):
don't even like. They don't ask them off camera, what
do you think, Alex? Dude? Are you kidding me? And
yet Major League bas I was like, dude, he's the
face of baseball now, huh. ESPNS given him his own show.
We're just like supposed to forget it was a year,
not two years ago. It's like a year and three

(01:01:07):
quarters ago. And in August two thousand was two thousand six.
The Yankees went to him and said, hey, Sunday is
the last game. They still owe him money. They like
Sunday's last game. We're done with you. You can be

(01:01:28):
an instructor in the spring if you'd like that's that's
how we'll figure it out. He's like, okay, no, no, Sunday,
get your stuff and Sunday we want you out of
the building. And immediately they were better after it. Immediately.
Gary Sanchez had an incredible start to his career than
Jaron Judge last year. And look he was he was

(01:01:50):
a great talent. But he gets twice got popped for steroids,
and so I'm not saying he's not supposed to have
a life after baseball, but the idea that that's the
guy you're pushing major League Baseball. I'm not talking about
Fox or Yes, major League Baseball push both the you
guys should really think about using Alex Arder. We really

(01:02:10):
like that. Why because he dates j Lo, because he's
good looking. We're all just supposed to forget. Okay, that's
the guy you want to represent your game. That's fine.
Just please stop from us taking your suspension seriously or
your sports seriously, and the sports great crazy talents. See

(01:02:31):
what many Machado is doing. Even though he's not a
bad team Sho Tany might be the best player in baseball.
He's doing incredible stuff. Throwing and hitting a baseball. And
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gascon what do you got, David? I was gonna ask
you if there was a bigger question with the shack
coming out being a former Yankee outing an ex teammate
of his, Well, he would never out a guy who

(01:03:15):
I don't Well, first of all, he didn't out. He
didn't out Robbie Cano. He simply go like, yeah, I'm
not surprised, right, That's what he said in fairness, right,
So he didn't, so he's And so even if it
was a former like all time Yankee, I don't think
remember he's not the one that tested positive. So let's
say it was Mariano Ruse, Derek Jeter, God forbid, there

(01:03:38):
was Derek Jeter. Would um, I don't. I don't think
he would be the bad guy. Those guys who did
steroids or p E D s would be the bad guy. Well,
here's the thing. You bring that up. Do you think
he would make that comment about Jeter or Rivera, Well,
no one said it about Andy Pettitt. By the way,
who Andy Pettitt? I mean you talk about weak sauce.

(01:03:59):
You know, he said, I tried it, but I didn't
didn't take didn't work. Like you're the first guy ever
who's trying perform attention drugs and it didn't work. I
oh yeah. By the way, the government built an entire
case around you, around you outing Roger Clemens. Then you
got up on the uh you got up on the
what's it called witness witness stand and you're like, uh uh,

(01:04:22):
I don't know, might have happened, might not have I
do not recall. Well, so he didn't. Yeah, So like
had he said some about any Pettit, I would had
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game time decision. Dug back to you on that. He

(01:05:04):
was a great player in his own right. Of course,
became an He's been an NBA coach two times over.
He's Vinny del Negro. You see him on NBA TV.
We're currently watching Luca dunk Don check uh in the
EuroLeague Final four. Of course, he's likely to be a
top three pick in the upcoming NBA draft video. I
don't know. I'm guessing you're in Chicago at the pre
draft from maybe you're Are you watching any of this game? No,

(01:05:27):
I'm not watching any of the game right now, but
I've I've heard a lot about this kid, and uh,
obviously he's got a great feel for the game. He's
got size um. People talk to us about his athleticism,
but um, he's got great feel, and he's got size,
and he's young, and potential is something obviously in talent
that we're all looking to get. So, um, he's gonna
be a high pick if he decides to come out,

(01:05:47):
which I expect he will. You know, you know, you've
seen the evolution of this game as a player and
then as a coach, now as a broadcaster. Um, I
look at the first pick, and you've got DeAndre at
and who's a ridiculous town at center. And he does
he can move his feet, but it's not what he
does best. And we're watching a couple of teams and

(01:06:08):
like the the key element to playing, you know, playing
a big because nobody plays centers anymore, is the ability
to cover out in the floor and stretch the floor
shooting the basket. Shoots it pretty well. What are your
thoughts about how the game is evolving and really kind
of the disappearing center, especially late in Big NBA games. Well,
now it's a you know, the defense kind of has

(01:06:30):
dictated that. So you have seven foot or shooting three pointers.
Everything's about spacing. It's hard to guard anybody physically anymore
because of the way the rules are so if I
face you up with the ball and he can't put
your hands on me, I have no resistance to go
anywhere I want. So the numbers get skewed because the
scoring is up, the paces up, the three point shots
are up. So as far as a guy like eight

(01:06:51):
and he's skilled, I live out in Arizona. I've seen
him a ton. Um. You know, he's he has nice rotation,
he has obviously a big body. Um. I he'll definitely
transferred to the NBA just from his size and skill standpoint.
But um, everything now is can big guys switch picking rolls?
Can they control the three point line, not foul and
not give up a blow by? So guys don't have

(01:07:13):
to rotate to stay on the three point shooters in
the corner, especially which is a pretty pretty high percentage shot. So, um,
you know Badley, I like he's got good balance, he
can switch a lot of things. He's only going to
get better. Um. But there's you know the lotter, he's
gonna always gonna get a good player. Look at a
guy like Donovan Mitchell last year that plays for the Jazz. Now,
what a spectacular young player he is. Um, And he

(01:07:34):
went to lay in the lottery, So there's always players, UM,
but the game has definitely changed. You have to have
a skill set, UM, and all the top guys are
gonna have that. Dinny Dale Negro joining us in the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. How are the
Celtics doing this well? They have a lot of talent.

(01:07:54):
For one, UM, you know, Jason Tatum is a spectacular player,
but he's also a basketball a que great kid. UM.
Same thing with Jaylen Brown's second year player. They both
have size. Amazing at what they're doing at that age.
I think Rogier Um has really come into his own.
He's a tough kid. He's a guy you want on
your team because he's gonna give you maximum effort. Al Horford,

(01:08:17):
I think it's Um not enough UM publicity in terms
of what he brings to the team as far as stability, leadership.
Marcus Smarts, the heart and soul of the toughness of
that roster. Um. Morris does his job. UM. But their
body movement, their bold movement, they're un selfish play. I
really like the way they compete. I spent some part
of training camp last year with Danny Ainge and Brad

(01:08:40):
Stevens and his staff. Brad does an excellent job. He's
a very good teacher. Um, he does great job in
film sessions. UM. But really the basketball, i Q, the
high character that Danny has brought in. UM, that Brad
is able to coach is a big, big element of it.
And then the ability to play for one of the
great franchises, I think is an is an extra thing
that UM guys look forward to do. But they're playing well,

(01:09:03):
they're playing hard. Um, Cleveland's gotta find their way a
little bit. It's got to be more than just Lebron Um.
But give the Celtics a ton of credit by how
hard they're playing. And you know what other is they're
they're playing like they're supposed to be winning. Their confidence
leve us so high right now. It's gonna be interesting
how Cleveland responding names three is it? Is it crazy
Vinnie to say, Hey, one of the things that's hurt

(01:09:25):
in Cleveland is they're built for an offensive style to
play off of Lebron as shooters that they're built based
upon offense, and yet it really limits them defensively, right
whereas the the Celtics seem to be built And I
know Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown are far more long
offensively than any of us thought possible at this point
in their careers. But but they're built, you know, with

(01:09:47):
versatility defensively and athleticism defensively as opposed to the Calves,
where yeah, they'd like guys that you've gotta be able
to cover some, but it's more a I want vets
that can make shots if Lebron gets you the basketball,
and that ultimately is part of are undoing. Yeah, I
would agree with that. The thing is is Lebron is
such a spectacular player as we know. You know, his

(01:10:09):
track record speaks for itself. He'll figure it out in
games three, but there's no question he needs the you know,
all of the guys, not just one or two, the
j R. Smith's and Hills and all of them, anybody
coming off the bench. But they have to play their pace,
but they also have to play The Celtish won the
first two games because they were just from start to finish,

(01:10:29):
they were consistently more aggressive defensively and offensively. I think
Cleveland has to get after it more defensively, which will
create easier baskets in the transition. Now guys can get
open shots get to the corner threes. Um. They need
Kevin Love to play high and Tristan Thompson the bang
and slow Horford down. But you know it starts and
finishes with Lebron. But Lebron cannot do it himself. So

(01:10:49):
style will play will be important. But other guys are
gonna have to have big games. Jr. Has gotta hit
some shots, UM, and they have to control the glass.
You cannot give the Celtics second chance opportunities. With their
Audi involve movement, they can make you look bad. What
changed from game one to game to Vinny del Negro
join us in the doug Old Show? What changed from
Game one to Game two? In your eyes? With the
Houston Rockets attitude, aggressiveness, style of play, UM, not getting

(01:11:16):
down when Kevin Durant makes a twenty ft fade away
that very few players can make. UM getting the ball
to the basket quick, playing with tempo, not worrying about
the last play, worrying about the next play. They played
their style of basketball. They played Golden State basketball, They
played Houston Rockets basketball, and UM, you know when when
James Harden and Chris are going like that, and then

(01:11:37):
Eric Gordon's going like that, and Trevor Reason and p J.
Tucker will be the keys. They're gonna get shots. Capella
is gonna get shots because so much attention to the
other three guys. UM, but the Rockets aggressively defensively, to me,
was the most important impressive part of that game was
their defense. They're switching. You saw Capella, You saw these
guys in passing lanes. On the switches. They were more aggressive.

(01:11:59):
They weren't flats, which is UM. And that triggered their
offense because we know they're going to score. They just
have too many offensive players. But UM, expect Golden State
to get going in Game three, expect Curry to be
a little bit more aggressive, especially early, trying to get
him going from behind three point line. Once he does that,
that kind of opens up the floodgates for them. UM.
But Golden stood what they did, what they needed to do.

(01:12:20):
They got home court back. UM. And now Houston's got
to go to Golden State. So game three, obviously, game four,
they're all important. But UM as well as Houston played
in games too. You have to feel good if your
Golden State going back with home court. Last thing, of course,
you you played in the Spurs organization. Um, it's one.
It's one that has been super tight lipped, and this

(01:12:41):
is one of the first years we've ever heard about
kind of the inner workings of it. You know, it
ended last season with the Marcus Aldridge wanting out and
then they see he got better, they change things. He's
super happy. Now you got quiet Leonard and you got
the uncle involved in the agent change and whenever he
is that relationship reparable from your perspective, Oh, absolutely yeah.

(01:13:04):
I mean there's obviously been some friction there, there's no question.
But at the end of the day, Um, maybe they've
handed the keys to Kawai Leonard with the Spurs. Um.
You know, uh, you know he had injuries that he
wasn't happy with. Um, you know what the contract will
be and how they'll figure that out. But um, he's
too good of a player and you'll never get value

(01:13:25):
back for a guy like him. He's one of the
best two way players, best players in the league. So
at the end of the day, I think, UM, you know,
Coach Popovich and R. C. Buford and the Spurs organization
will figure it out with Kauai. They now may know
how important he is. Um, But you know, hey, no
one knows the whole story. Um but um, I wouldn't

(01:13:46):
put anything past coach Popovich. He knows how important Kauai is.
Great stuff and he really appreciate you joining us. Love
your work on NBA TV. Thanks you to be our
guest on Fox Sports Radio anytime. But good to talk
to you though a r. Vinie del Negro joining us
on the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio
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(01:14:33):
Got big news on the horizon for the Doug Outlive Show.
Can't share any now, Well, it doesn't really affect you, ramas,
it's kind of hey man, No, I mean it's it's
all good. It's a positive, well received stuff. But some
big events um that our television partner has the rights

(01:14:55):
to that we will be able to attend in broadcasts
from that's all I'm gonna I So I've so been told,
so this is all kind of good, this good stuff. No,
not Russia World Cup, although that was a hope of
mind because I do I speak Russian, so I was
hoping to go see the World Cup. And I got
a kind of wild hair if I get good seats
from Fox to go see a World Cup final, like
you go, right, yeah, when is that? I'll look it up.

(01:15:18):
And now every day en the day out the show
we play for you a portion of something earlier in
the day on Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports TV. In
this case it was the Dan Patrick Show. J Billis
from ESPN had this to say if they were going
to redraft the Greg Odin won Kevin Durant to draft.

(01:15:38):
Here's his thoughts. The one though, I'll tell you that
that still I have not changed my mind on, even
though it didn't work out, was Greg that if Greg
Oden had been healthy, I still would take him number
one because I think he was going to be great.
That's even including Durant knowing that Durant, because I I mean,
I said the draft night, Durant is gonna lead the
league in scoring multiple times going to be a great player.

(01:16:01):
I just thought Odin was it was the better choice.
And now you would take if Odin was healthy, you
would still look at him as a long term investment
better than Durant. Yes, I would. And and you know,
even though the game I mean right now, maybe to
be a little bit different because the game has changed
a little bit. That was back in two thousand seven

(01:16:21):
if I remember right, But you know that the game
has changed a little bit and evolved. So maybe if
you're doing the decision with those two guys at age
eighteen today, in today's game, maybe you're the dynamic would
be a little bit different. I did to think about that.
I really would be interested as to how many gms,
if they had the first pick back in oh seven,
would have taken Durant number one. Um, I would say

(01:16:45):
most of them probably would have taken Odin. But if
we dial back to and I was a take Odin
guy at the time as well. But I would also
point out there is not a chance in hell I
would take a center as opposed to a orring freak
of nature the way that Kevin Durant is not not
a not a chance, which is why, by the way,

(01:17:06):
I said on Dan on The Dan Patrick Show later on,
I would take Marvin Bagley ahead of Deandretan, and I
think Aiden Ayton is a more uh is a better body,
he's more athletic. He's just a better center center prospect
than Greg Oden was. I would still take Kevin Durant

(01:17:27):
ahead of him, even with the unknown of the lack
of strength at the time. Just look at the way
the NBA has gone. You know, where where are all
the centers. They're there, every team has one. They just
don't play them in important moments because they can't guard anybody, right,
Because it's because there's so much space on a basketball

(01:17:50):
floor that you can make it so that that center
has to guard a point guard. And the point guards
are just too explosive, too quick, to athletic, and the
and the big guys can't touch him anymore. So I look,
I think j Billis does a really good job. He's
done a really good job for as long as he's

(01:18:11):
been on the NBA draft. But that's one just like, hey, dude,
just take the L. Just take the L on it.
You're wrong and Odin broke down. Do I think Odin,
if he was healthy would have been a really good
NBA player, yes, but I struggle with the Grego never
showed signs of what we've seen even from Joel Embiid

(01:18:32):
in terms of UH he had interior athletism, but never
any exterior athleticism, never any perimeter game at all. He
was just a dominant old school big guy. And as
we've seen from Jalil Oqualf like Joe can for is
a small version of that. But guys that play inside
like they just that didn't work. Doesn't work. Yes, rhyme

(01:18:56):
music is the big man officially gone from the NBA.
Because I've always wondered when we talk about like this
Warrior's team and how they'd be able to compete of
like great teams of the past. If Shock, exactly how
Shock was in the peak of his career, were to
play in today's NBA, how effective or non effective would

(01:19:20):
he be? He'd be really effective on offense. And look,
because he was so dominant, Like you can't put Draymond
Green on shack and have him not scored less than
thirty five or forty points. You know, Troy Hudson is
no idea. Troy Hudson played for the Minnesota Timberwolves, when
I think they went to the Western Conference Finals and
lost to the l A Lakers. He was I think

(01:19:41):
they're starting point guard at the time, one of the
starting guards, one of their guards. He had a great series.
You know why because he was great at scoring off
a ball screen, because Shaq was sitting in the middle
of lane. Mike Babe a huge contract. Why because the Kings.
He was unbelievable against the Lakers, because it's at a
ball screen form. He'd come off and score. It would
be really hard to hide him defensively, but a Lakers
struggles to hide in defensively anyway, and still won three

(01:20:02):
titles and could have won a fourth. I mean, everybody,
the attacks weren't as direct right on the big guy,
but they're still pretty direct. I think he'd score more though. Now.
I mean, like, do you think Draymond Green would have
any chance against Shack? None? You can be The thing
is that Draymond Green is able to be super physical

(01:20:22):
against a lot of these big guys. But the big
guys now are either more slight or they're just not
as skilled. Shack is so big, so strong, Draymond he
would just swallow up Draymond Green, swallow of Draymond Green. Um,
I do think that he was big enough and strong
enough and agile enough to which it might not matter,

(01:20:43):
but he's probably probably the only one. Sometimes there's a
there's a disconnect, right, what fans think and what the
real sport thinks. Everybody inside the sport actually thinks. I
and the two are not the same. Two are not
the same. Um. There are things that can cloud our

(01:21:07):
fans vision of what reality is. I think it's taking
place with the Warriors in the NBA. I'll share it
with the upcoming next in the Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio. What up Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ah,
there's so much stuff going on, so much stuff going on?

(01:21:30):
Do do do do? Do? Do do do? Heard that
report from Zachlos podcast that David gascon reference that the
Timberls are not in good place. We kind of talked
about that mid season that Look, this is what happens
when you give a coach almost autonomous power over a
team and then you bring in one of his guys

(01:21:50):
in Jimmy Butler, and you have other guys that aren't
necessarily bought in. Those dudes don't like each other, and
that's a tough way to go. Real Madrid in basketball
takes down the Sesca of Russia, which means we'll see
more of Luke Luca don Chick. We had a very
good game for reality, of course, one of the top

(01:22:10):
five draft picks likely to go number one, number two,
number three overall in the upcoming NBA draft. Nineteen years
old from Slovenia. We've covered a lot today, a lot,
a lot. Jason McIntire is gonna join us upcoming next
he'll want to argue. Did you ask him what he
wants to argue about? He always sends me a text
half of the show. I listen to your show. Here's

(01:22:31):
what I want to argue about. All right, dude, how
don't you come on the show? Show? Well, he loves
the idea of sports gambling, okay um, And he also
is going to tell you why Deshaun Watson is the
top under twenty five year old player in the entire NFL.
Got it into it. I'm into dismantling that one. I

(01:22:53):
don't know, I'm just I'm into dismantling that one. And
then there's a few other things. He goes, well, the
the the the question of the day, the Twitter question
of the day a was and and by the way,
did my Twitter question of the Day earlier in the
week on things you couldn't get into? Did you ask
that of your girlfriend music? Did you? Did you approach
that topic with her? I did not, went on. I
asked my wife last night. She was she Tom Cruise

(01:23:15):
was hers. I've never been able to get in the top,
which is crazy to me because I don't love Tom
Cruise the person, Tom Cruise the movie role, although all
the movie roles are essentially the same. You guys know that, right, Yeah,
that's why they're all good. Yeah, well they're all they're
all like, you know, fight like like egotistical fighter, pilot,
egotistical lawyer. You get right, Like, they're all kind of

(01:23:37):
the same guy. But he's good at that that role.
He knows his role. Um. Anyway, Tom Cruise sci fi movies.
Sci fi movies and Tom Cruise were two of her
big ones. Then I asked, is there And the reason
I asked this question was my son was getting dressed
today and my wife had our dates crossed, and so

(01:24:01):
she's like, today's Dad's with donuts days, And I was like,
what say, Yeah, there's an email it's about father's days,
like Father's DA's until June. Say, I'm telling you today's
Dad's donuts. So my son was like, man, I want
to look good. It's like, what are you wearing? Dad?
I was like, well, I'm wearing my new Nikes. And
then you know, I started kind of getting dressed, and

(01:24:22):
so he grabbed a shirt for me, and I was like, dude,
you can I can't wear that shirt. It's like why.
I was like, that's that's not a Nike shirt. But
you can't cross pollinate like that. You just can't. So, uh,
we got into this discussion and she's like, why does
it why does it mount like it? It's a guy thing.
It matters just is this is a guy think or
a workout kind of gear thing. Now, as Romo's pointing out,

(01:24:44):
Ramo's is a Nike guy. I had to him a
Nike guy. And I can sit here and say I
have only owned only Nikes my entire life. It is
interesting though, that if you go outside of athletic brand shoes,
you can then cross pollinate them with some sort of
athletic gear. But you can't, like you, if you went
like Vans, you can wear Vans with Nike clothing. I mean,

(01:25:05):
maybe not. I don't really know, but Vans don't seem
to counteract the Nike or the Adidas or the under
arm music. Do you cross pollinate when you you cross brand?
I try not to, but I do do it from
time to time. Yes. How do you feel about that?
You know, I somehow continue to push onward and live

(01:25:27):
my life. You know. One of the issues is that
they do a good thing of the color scheme, not
the color is not being the same. Like Adidas yellow
and Nike yellow are not the same yellows, right, so
you can they don't. They just don't match up. So
you know, if you're wearing two different brands like whoa
whoa that doesn't match up, doesn't match up. All right,

(01:25:48):
We'll continue to push the envelope on the Do you
cross pollinate? Ramos tries not to. Music tries not to,
but occasionally they do. David gascon he said he does, right,
he said, you said you do? And do you get
made fun of for it? No? But I get called
out at the gym. I'll get called out by men
and women. You know. It's interesting, Like golf guy, golf guy,

(01:26:09):
you can go all one year or but like golf apparel,
you can get away with with like if you can
go like Nike hat, Nike shirt, you know you can
end up you can end up going a slacks, maybe
a Nike slacks. But then you can go with like
a foot Joy shoe. Foot Joy shoes are big in
the golf industry. Somehow you can get away with that.
Did you guys know that? Like I Yeah, it's it's

(01:26:30):
a golf thing. Uh, Taylor tweets the show my golf
attire and bag might have ten plus brands being repped
at once. So so a hard note from this guy.
You're like a NASCAR driver, Taylor, that's what you are.
You gotta know all those brands. I want to thank
my pin club heads and my Nike and my tailor
made irons for the performance today. Uh. Sometimes there's a

(01:26:54):
disconnect between fans and what I would say is reality.
Or maybe we talked about this earlier in the week.
Civilians and um, what's a non civilian that's in the
military where they what's the what's the word I'm looking for.
You're either your civilian or you're an enlisted men or
I don't know, the point is that that what you

(01:27:17):
think as a fan is not necessarily the reality. Sometimes
it's the opposite of the reality. And I kind of
think the Steph Curry Kevin Durant dynamic is exactly like that. Like,
you can't mention the name Kevin Durant without people making
funnel or pointing out that he left Oklahoma City, right,

(01:27:38):
can't happen. And because of it, though, Kevin Durant was dominant,
and I I pointed this out, like, look, I'm not
even I try and disconnect from the emotion of him
leaving Oklahoma City. I still appear on the Thunders radio
home that was my original radio home when I first
started doing sports radio six teen years ago. Oklahoma City

(01:28:02):
is a home away from home. If I go out
of town and I go to a basketball game, I'm
going to a Thunder game. That said, I don't have
an emotional attachment to where I'm sitting there, going, man,
Oklahoma City Thunder. They got screwed by k D and
so that takes away from Kevin Durant. But I do
think that common fan guy, common fan guy absolutely still

(01:28:26):
holds it against Kevin Durant. And even though I disconnected
from it and said Kevin Durant was better than Lebron
James in the NBA Finals, in the fourth quarter, in
the second half, in all five of the games, or
at least four of the games. Yeah, but he left
Oklahoma City. Yeah, but he had to join a team
with Steph Curry. Like these are you can make those

(01:28:49):
parts of the discussion about the story of Kevin Durant.
But my question was a very simple question, who is
the better player in the second half of the NBA
Final Finals games? Well, he has better talent around him,
he has no, no, no, who was the better player?
And you will say Kevin Durant between Kevin Rand Lebron James.

(01:29:11):
But the emotional ties caused the narrative to be Kevin
Durant had to go and join a seventy three win
team to win an NBA title. When I would say,
Kevin Durant joins an NBA seventy three win team that,
by the way, lost in the NBA Finals, right like
the Warriors winning seventy three games only matters because it

(01:29:34):
was a historic number. Only matters because they had won
a title the year before. That team didn't win a title,
it did not It lost in Game seven at home,
so you can tell I don't understand the well, Toronto
Raptors regular season record doesn't matter, Houston Rockets regular season
record doesn't matter, Landahawks a couple years ago, regular season

(01:29:55):
doesn't matter. But the Golden State Warriors two years ago,
that regular season record matter. Okay, the mainstream not not
civilian if you will. Sits there and says, I think
less of Kevin Durant since he's become a Warrior. I

(01:30:16):
think more of Steph Curry when I think the reality
of it is Steph Curry has gotten a little bit
exposed to being less than he was before Kevin Durant
was there, and Kevin Durant looks like more than he
was a greater player. Here, I want to play this
for you. Daryl Mourray was on with Colin Cowherd earlier

(01:30:38):
today on The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Proceeds this show,
and do we have the whole cut or just the
end of the cut. You have the whole cut? All right,
this is a long answer. I want you to listen
to the answering entirety and then keep listening. At the
end of the answer, he kind of throws in a
little something about Kevin Durant. Specifically, he colin him if

(01:31:00):
they had found something, discovered something in a way in
which you can beat the Warriors. There are lots of
ways to lose to the Warriors. There's no there's not
a good way to do it. It's not can this
way beat the Warriors. The question we we said is
what is our best plan to give us the best chance?
And that that's what we're doing. But it's not like

(01:31:20):
we go in saying, oh, we do act, this is
gonna work. We're doing actually the best plan and we
think it gives us the best chance to win, and
we think it's a good a good chance to win.
But obviously no one's sitting here with a great chance
to beat a team that won seventy three games and
then add one of the great greatest players of all time. Right.
It was just kind of a throw in there, But
that's how people in the NBA feel about Kevin Durant.

(01:31:44):
He didn't say one of the best players in the NBA.
He said one of the best players of all time.
And smart people are very smart with how they choose
their words, and he chose his words smartly. Interestingly, people

(01:32:05):
in the NBA will tell you, like Kevin Durant can
be almost unguardable, And the more I watch, I go
back to that San Antonio series when they didn't have him,
when they didn't have Steph Curry, or when he even
when he came back. I'm not saying Steph Curry is
not important, but the level of talent, level of dominance,
level of skill, the level of dynamic presence at both

(01:32:27):
ends of the floor is just greater with Kevin Durant,
and shown to be greater since he's joined the Warriors
as opposed to Steph Curry looks like slightly less a player.
He went from a two time Jason McIntyre is gonna
join us up coming next. He has continued to say
that Steph Curry is the second greatest point guard of
all time. Dude, I'm not sure he's the second best

(01:32:51):
point guard in this series. He's a great player, and
he has a transcendent style that people are going to
continue to try and copy for years to come. But
the narrative makes him look better the reality he actually

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this microphone. Um. I actually started the show, and I
wasn't even thinking about you. But the more I got
into it, I remember I've seen plenty of your tweets
that you think Steph Curry is the second best point
card of all time, no, no doubt about it, Doug.
And by the way, thank you for the kind introductions.
I actually dove into the Steph Curry thing pretty deep
on the big moleat You know you've been shocked how

(01:34:41):
many first place m v P votes John Stockton had
in his career, Isaiah Thomas had on his career. But
what Kurt already done had vaulted him two seconds at
point guard in NBA history. I mean the two MVP awards,
But you want to start there or do you want
to start with the three point shooting and how he
set the record for five straight seasons let the league

(01:35:02):
in three point shooting. I mean he's a tremendous free
frol shooter or Curry is off the chart. So I
don't know how there's any pushback, but I am eager
to hear your argument against Mr Curry. No. I mean,
if you're gonna go by m vps, then then Steve
Nash's hand in hand with him, because he won two
m vps as well. Right. Certainly that's one category that
Steve Nash can match up with Steph Curry. Yeah, other

(01:35:23):
than that, you're just going with shooting numbers and statistics
stats when he's not the best player on his own
team right now. And I mean, look, I I kind
of concur with the idea with with what Chris Paul says,
which is I think I'm a better player, I just
don't shoot it as well. Like I think the shooting
numbers skew you as a non kind of basketball guy

(01:35:43):
that loves basketball and loves to watch basketball and comment
on basketball, but he's not really a point where he's
a shooter who can pass and brings the ball up
the court occasionally. That's a fair pushback and that the
league has now changed. There are no longer set positions
there There you to be five positions in the eighties
and nineties. Now there's basically three right ball handler, wing,

(01:36:05):
or big. I mean, I think Brad Stevens started that
a couple of years ago. Maybe someone else did beforehand.
But you know, if you don't want to call Curry
a point guard, fine, then it's tough to have the debate,
like when do you end the point guard era, like
Damian Lillard's a great shooter? Is he a pure point guard?
I mean Chris Paul is a little older school, right,
I mean we know, uh he he came before Curry

(01:36:26):
several years earlier, and you know, I felt like the
lead kind of changed. As you said earlier, Steve Nash
kind of ushered that into uh the sweet point shooting
point guard. Nash a great shooter in his time, no doubt.
He actually lives it out here near me in California
and I see him frequently. Super nice guy. I think
he would probably agree with me that that creates a

(01:36:47):
point guard than he was. I don't think he would
agree with you. And I also don't think he would
say Steph Curry is the best the best point he's
worked with stef. I don't think he would say Steph
Curry is the best point like you start with with Stockton.
I think Isaiah tom Mus a hall of family. Hold on,
let me interrupt real quick. You said Steph Curry's that
the best player on his team was stocked in Ever. Yes,

(01:37:08):
now you're going by m v P awards. I understand that.
But the ability to play both ends of the floor
is one that's really hard to you know. It's it's like,
if you were to say the top three players in
the n b A, I would say, you know, it's Durant,
Lebron and Kawhi Leonard went healthy and Kawhi Leonards in
that group not just because he can score, but because
he can dominate at the defensive end of the floor
and guard multiple positions. I think other people would say

(01:37:31):
James Harden. My problem is that's the one end of
the floor. Guy. Understand let the league and steals a
couple of years ago. But we all know, you know,
steals is kind of not the best metric to guard
to measure defensive players, and that is one of the
problems with these all these comparisons. Listen, Lebron versus Jordan's.
You know, I don't want to get into that and

(01:37:51):
go down that rabbit hole, but Michael Jordan was an
elite defensive player. Lebron James not an elite defensive player,
you know, Like it's just well, it's like, how do
you do defense, Like how do you wink someone on
the defensive ability? Like just you have to you have
to just watch and now, I mean, I know there's
defensive metrics I would say this about Lebron versus versus.

(01:38:12):
Jordan's Lebron was Lebron much like his offensive game, where
he does everything pretty well some things that are less
slightly better. Defensively, it's the same thing like, is he
a lockdown on ball defender, Not really? Is he the
world's greatest post defender? Not really? But you can guarden
the post and guarden the perimeter. When he was you know,
when he was younger, he could block shots, Chase Hiver behind.

(01:38:33):
He did give good effort. He's a good rebound or
not a great rebender. A little bit everything is opposed
to Jordan was more of a just like offensively, he
was a score who became a willing passer. Defensively, he
was a great on ball guy who became a very
smart and crafty off ball guy. Jason McIntyre joining us
in the Doug Gollar ship. Let me let me just
let's get to the series. What do you think is
wrong with steph where statistically he hasn't been dominant? Uh

(01:38:57):
and in fact he's been below average last two games. Yeah,
I mean the guy missed thirty games, right at thirty
thirty one games whatever the total was, and back for
two weeks, and if you watch that Pelican series, they
just hit him on Rondo, and Rondo's not setting a
bunch of screens. They're not getting him in the pick
and roll that Pelicans did not attack hurry. Now he's

(01:39:18):
having to work his butt off defensively because they're just
going at him every possession. I believe it was twenty
times in game one, twenty three times in game two,
and on the event, they're just not giving him any room,
no breathing room whatsoever. In game one they said, hey,
well let Kevin Durant go nuts. That's fine. Durant went off,
and they lost Clay Thompson a bunch well in greame too,
they didn't loud Clay and step. They just said, we're

(01:39:39):
not giving him any three. I mean, I don't think
duck you played. If you ever missed thirty one games
in the season and came back to the player, you
would never call yourself on it's impossible. No, I think it's.
I think it's it's not just difficult to come back,
it's also difficult to come back when the level of
intensity in a playoff game on the road is ridiculously high.

(01:40:01):
In comparison. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you. I
also think I don't think it's just one thing. Do
I think he's fully healthy? Probably not, But I also
think that there's a portion of it where and maybe
not fully healthy. They're going at him twice as many
times um and isolating him defensively. They're also allowed to
be more physical with him on the offensive end. You
factor in all those three things, and I think that's

(01:40:24):
the reason for the declining numbers thus far. Let's not
forget uh. They can say Draymond Igugala will give you
all the threes you want. You know how many threes
they've made in this series. Those two combines I have,
they haven't hit fun So if if you're the Rockets,
you just say, hey, I don't We're not giving incurring
any room you want to get Iguodala Draymond shots, go ahead,
beat us. Now when they go home, those guys had shots.

(01:40:46):
We know the role players to play better, even for
the Calves, the sorry pathetic role players on the Calves.
They play better at home. So you can expect Draymond
and Igudala to hit their shots. I mean, a warrior
with Durant in the playoffs. If you know, average margin
of victory fifteen points. So I still think they owned
this series. I think they win the next two and
either looted for one or four two. Jason McIntyre founded

(01:41:09):
the Big Lead, joining us in the Dougaltlife Show. You
can hear him tomorrow morning seven o'clock am on the
West coast, ten am on the East coast right here
on Fox Sports Radio. So as you talk down to
the Calves, role players, bench players, even their starters, do
you think they're done? Yeah, it's over. I mean they
could win one game, maybe even two at home, but

(01:41:29):
there's they're not winning this series? Does they? Just if
you watch the I mean Jeff van Gundy obviously noted there.
You know they're just a lessergy on defense and the
eye rolling the tour each other. They're not locked in.
But it's also about what Boston's doing. I saw Indiana
in the second half dominate the series. Four quarters. They dominated,

(01:41:50):
They outscored the Calves by thirty two Indiana game in
that first round series. Well, Brad Stevens is a better
coach and Boston has better players than Indiana, So we
saw them dominated for quarter at home I think they're
gonna steal one in Cleveland, and I think the series
is over, and I think Lebron is gonna start to
check out as the series progresses. I have no faith
in Tylou. I have less than zero faith in Rodney Hood.

(01:42:13):
Jeff Green is in. I mean, listen, I loved him
to Georgetown, but Doug Job, I don't know what happened
to Jeff Green. No confidence. I mean, this team is
a train wreck. That's the voice of Jason, Jason McIntyre.
Where do you think Lebron goes? I'm still holding onto
my Lakeies thing. You know. I went on the Herd
last June and pumped up Lebron and Paul George of
the Lakers, and of course, you know, people coming after

(01:42:35):
me never gonna happen. Doug, do the process of elimination,
and you look at does Lebron want to ring Chease
on the sixt five win Warriors when they love ball
okay and he needs three point shoots? Does he want
to go there? I don't see it, because he want
to go to the Sixers where they will have no shooters.
I mean, they're gonna have to lose Reddick unless he's

(01:42:56):
taken a bargain based and discount. Uh, we know Simmons
can't shoot. We don't Faults can't shoot. I don't think
they have the shooters in Philly, and by process of elimination,
I think the Lakers are the team left standing. Okay,
let's let's go to football. You said, Deshaun Watson best
player under twenty five in the National Football League, Right,
that's your that's your Yeah. Now, uh, you're you're a

(01:43:16):
phenomenal producer who as well told me that you hated that,
and you know, hated that. A couple other websites followed
up our top under twenty five and they didn't even
list to Shawn Watson. And I thought to myself, these
guys even watch the five games he was in last year.
I mean to say, watched what he did in Wattle,
what he just decimated at defense like it didn't even exist.

(01:43:41):
I mean, for a rookie to go into New England
and Seattle and absolutely eviscerate the defenses. I saw enough
in five games. People are willing to give Jimmy Garoppolo
thirty seven million dollars after five games in France, San France.
Why can't I say after five games with Houston, Deshaun
Watson the best player in the league under years old,
because he suffered his second torn a c L, because

(01:44:03):
he's played a style that hasn't had longevity in the NFL.
You know, they switched to more of a college system
and they used his athleticism. We don't know how athletic
you will be. We don't know how sound his knee
will be, and we don't know if you can really
play that style as people kind of adjust to what
you're doing. Um as we've seen in the past. You know,
it didn't work for pick guy right, didn't work for uh,

(01:44:27):
it didn't work for Vince Young, it didn't work for
it hold On, didn't work for Tebow, It didn't work
for rg It didn't I'm not done. I'm not done.
It didn't work for r G three. R G three
is Rookie of the Year. Then he had to be
a real quarterback. And oh yeah, by the way, come
off a second a c L surgery, which is what
Deshaun Watson is. Even if Deshaun Watson is light years

(01:44:48):
ahead of the guys I mentioned, the fact is that
running quarta tell me an old running quarterback. They don't exist.
But yes, he was a running quarterback at Compton Yard.
He was gonna shatter every rookie quarterback passing record, touchdown, yards,
you name it, if you had played like twelve games.
That's all he had to play. But if he played

(01:45:09):
like twelve games, guys would have had a book on him.
They would have adjusted they their offense. He's not just
a running He's winning with his arm in the pocket.
He's got two good receivers and will follow when healthy. Uh,
Gret Hopkins is the top seven receiver in the league.
He's got a pretty running game. And listen, I've taken
plenty of shots at Bill O'Brien over the years. The

(01:45:30):
guy knows something about quarterbacks. He's the only guys who
could make Hackenburg work at Penn State, and he did
a pretty good job in New England. Although I know
Tom Brady, YadA YadA, YadA, I just can't understand why
people are down on Deshaun Watson. I'm not down on
DeShawn Watson. I'm realistic about people saying, let me just
hold that stock because he's coming off a second a

(01:45:53):
c L and they were playing a style which has
shown over time that it's it's really hard to play
for more than one season. The a c L is
a good point too, But I do want to say
that the advancements in technology and medicine. Okay, when did
Tommy John surgery used to mean in baseball like you
were done? I mean, you're out over here, it's over

(01:46:13):
and now Tommy come back later. You see it, like
the advancements in medicine and technology and surgery, it is
getting to the point where these guys can come back
almost brand new. I'm not saying he's gonna come back
like a robot and absolutely dominate, but I would just not.
He has concerned about the TV cls as I would
have if it was like Derrick Rodan who had like

(01:46:34):
three or four of them all. Right, last thing, Jason
McEntire founded The Big Lead, has his own show Saturday
Mornings Shore on Fox Sports Radio. Does DeAndre Aton fit
with NBA basketball in two? That's a that's a good one,
But let me hear your thoughts first before I. I really,
as far as centers are concerned, I like him because

(01:46:55):
he has good feet, because he can shoot, he can move,
and he hasn't at injury, so I don't have the
fear of him breaking down. So many big guys breakdown.
My issue is, look at the end of NBA games,
how many times do you go small ball? I go
Marvin Bagley, who was the number one prospect coming in
and can play multiple positions on offense, can play multiple positions,

(01:47:16):
although most of them not very well on defense. Bagley
would be my guy because of his offensive versatility. Now
you'd go Badley over Luca. Were you watching any of
that real Madrid? I was. I was. I have it
right here on my TV, right in front. Can't want
I mean for me, he is what you want. I mean,
he's we know he's got to be a lights out defender.
But whether it's two three small balls, this guy can

(01:47:39):
I just love his team. I would think ceiling wise,
he blows away Marvin Bagley ceiling like I think Bagley
could come in and be what seventeen and nine as
a rookie maybe, but what can he can he go
much higher than that? Does? Do you see him being
Karl Anthony Towns and twelve all NBA? I just don't
see that. I mean, he looks a step slow defensively.
We know that had to go to the zone. Last

(01:48:01):
year because he couldn't guard a man a man and
I just didn't see that dog in him when you
don't watch that Kansas game. Dude, he want like an
entire half with no rebounds. I mean, like badly. I
don't love him. And and as as such, I would
go Luca one and I would take eight and two.
I actually think, and Doug, I know you know a
lot about this guy Jaren Jackson. For me, he's the

(01:48:21):
guy who has even a higher ceilings badly, you know,
very bouncy. He's still growing. I think he's only month team.
I actually, if it were me running the team, I
would look closer at Jaren Jackson then Marvin back. Jaren
Jackson looks the part um. He's gonna have change the
shot because it spends no rotation. He's fine, he's good.
He does not have the the off the dribble skill

(01:48:43):
of of Marvin Baldley. Um, are you a true will
will Trey Young be more Jimmer or will he be
more Steph in the NBA? Jimmer? No, it's got a
good shot. I mean, listen, you know everybody who goes
to Orlando kind of ends up failing, sort of like
Sacramento the East. But I have some things in Tray Young.
You know, he created side. I know, I know he's

(01:49:04):
very tiny, with six six buck eight's at my size.
But ultimately I think Trey Young will be a factor. Yeah,
I think. I don't think he's gonna put up two
m vps like Koree and shoot. If he had arms
that looked like a Jason, if he had arms look
like yours, this wouldn't be a question, right, No one
would be. On the other hand, I do not believe
you're close to six feet tall. So hold on, hold on, backup,

(01:49:27):
back up to Trey youngle quick, So where are you
on this? You're not thinking he's Jim. I think he's
more Jimmer than he is. Stephr Wow. Because you don't
even think he'll average game ever in the league, not
on a team that wins games. Now, no, could could
he average it? Yeah? I mean, you know, will Trey
Young be an All NBA point guard enough by the

(01:49:48):
time he's twenty eight? I'll take I'll take that. We'll
do dinner on that one, and you'll say, no, All
NBA is like Team Kyle Lowry's Team All NBA. Got
you know, got it? I'll go now, you were in
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(01:50:11):
We're doing something. Appreciate the love. Thanks Jason. Alright, let's
get to David Gascon find out what else is going on.
What you got David. We'll start things off from the
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a four and a half million dollar settlement with former
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I I don't care about moms. And here this is
what I've always said about even LaVar Ball and what

(01:52:04):
he said about the Lakers, where Tom Brady's dad saying,
you know Tom of you know, I know Tom's gonna
end up his career somewhere else. That's what always happens, right,
Like they're still parents. They and what I think. I
think one of the things we all assume is the
son picks up the phone and calls the mom or

(01:52:26):
calls the dad, or text the mom and text the
dad right after the game, and that's where they're getting
their information from. Like they're really good sources because they're
really close to that source. And the truth is, I
think a lot of these players don't. They don't talk
to their moms and dads as young adults or just

(01:52:47):
adults in the NBA or in the NFL, they just don't.
Like I'll give you example, my dad was in basketball
his entire professional life, and like he would call me.
I just get done doing a radio show. He'd call
me and like, you know what I heard somewhere. He'd
like repeating to me sports news, Like, Dad, you know more,
my job is, like I I work in the industry.

(01:53:12):
I just talked about that for an hour. That's why
I might have heard it on your show or somebody
else's show. Somebody said to me, you know I heard that.
He's like, you know, I saw I heard this story.
You might not have heard of it, And like, yeah,
I get all of them when I get up in
the morning and I just start reading, reading, reading as
many stories as possible, find something that's interesting, so that

(01:53:33):
if I give you a couple of minutes on anything,
I can't like that. I've been doing this for a while,
but I mean I was like leaking information to him
about the place that I work like that. So, um
Baber's Green, that's of course, Um. Draymond Green's mom has

(01:53:55):
her own Twitter account, And so some guy tweets people
gonna look at this game and say k D cooked,
but s bomb he took every damn shot. She replied, straight.
Is so Draymond Green is Draymond Green's mom? Is Mary
Baber's Now, She's right, he did straight. I saw she

(01:54:19):
wasn't the one who said he took every damn shot.
She did say straight. I so, but she's also the
mom of Draymond Green. Well, any of this is inarguable.
It doesn't mean that Draymond is mad that k D
was going one on one because Katie was, in fact
cooking with thirty seven points. I'm not gonna take with

(01:54:40):
LAVARSI is seriously or what Mary Baber says seriously, or
what anybody's mom or dad says, because they're the mom
or dad, they don't think their kids almost ever done
anything wrong. I think everybody else should pass to their kid.
They're just an embodiment of the au parent who sits
there and yells at yells Clark, why don't you play

(01:55:00):
my kid? Pass the ball? This ref's killing us. The
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(01:55:22):
the press um Danny gascon what he got. Let's pay
off that teeth that you had of just a few
minutes ago. Zach Low on his own podcast talking up
the Minnesota timber Wolves and one Corl Anthony Town. Darren

(01:55:43):
Wolfson alluded to a lot of it on a podcast
a couple of weeks ago. I just have a gut
feeling that something crazy is gonna happen there this summer.
It's not in a good place right now. Internally, I've
heard the saying it's just not I mean, look, he
came in, tips came in fired, everybody put all his
guys in charge, right, and Andrew Wiggins is not an alpha,

(01:56:07):
maybe not even a beta. Right. They have Karl Anthony Towns,
who likes him, but their offense is bad and he
wasn't able to take advantage of mismatches in the playoffs.
And he brings in Jimmy Butler, who is a tough
guy and is an alpha, and he's completely committed to
tips and tips and style. I just I think you've
got a kind of confluence of things working there. Uh.

(01:56:30):
You had Ricky Rubio before, who guys like playing with
Ricky Rubio because he sets them up, he dins them up,
and he stays out of the way. Jeff t is
not the same guy, and Derek Rose coming in is
not one of those guys. So I think they're struggling
with an identity crisis. It'll be interesting to see if
Tims can hang on. Are you big on zillo or
do you look at it occasionally? I do actually use zillo.

(01:56:50):
I like that all right. The reason why I bring
it up is we'll go a little bit lighter. We'll
start things off in the NBA, will continue with that.
Shaquille Needle has a house, Sla actually a mansion or
a I'm Palent's being listed right now in Windermere, Florida, Florida.
Check a Poco is what it's called. And he checked
out the dimensions of this place. No, go ahead, thirty
one thousand square feet with a six thousand square foot

(01:57:13):
basketball court. Ye, I've I've seen that in I've seen
videos of that. Yeah, that's crazy. Over underlisting price of
twenty five million dollars. What do you got over Yeah,
you're you're good. Twenty eight million dollars right now. What's
the zestment? That's what I want to know. What's the

(01:57:33):
zestment for? Oh? Man, um, did you see I don't
have it right? You just said, do I check out
Zillo you get a different cops side on it. That's
why I have twelve bedrooms and a seventeen car garage.
Right now with that custom basketball court being listed at
twenty eight million dollars, it's beautiful. I guess. I guess

(01:57:58):
I've lived in some cool my favorite I had. I
lived in several house Connecticut, my favorite house, man, we
I love that. I missed that house so much. I
had good neighbors I had. I had honest, I had
a lot less square footage. I'll just have uh square
feet square basement. Knetiyt got to buy a bigger house
because he spent a lot of time and because weather

(01:58:18):
sucks U and it was that house was massive. That
house was too big and we had three kids at
the time. Now Shack is a bigger dude, everything to scale.
He's got a lot of kids. I don't think I
don't think all his all his kids are in that
one house. Also, Jim and garage take up a bunch
of space. But that's ridiculous. Nobody needs that big a house.
I was gonna say, would they bring any comps on

(01:58:39):
something like that anyway, you'd be surprised. I mean, you
know when near Florida has some that's the blood professional
golfers and professional athletes, you'd be surprised. Property we'll go
to the n C double A ranks. So we mentioned
at the top of the show, University of Louisville has
reached a settlement four and a half million dollars with
their former a d Tom durch Well adding to that
church is employed women now has ended without cause and

(01:59:02):
it's also describing the settlement with retirement included. He will
also receive two point six million dollars in ac crude
employment benefits, and on top of that, he'll get home
game tickets and parking for Louisville football and basketball for
the next twenty years. But do you want to go? Right? Like,

(01:59:23):
that's one of those things, like, all right, we gotta
give it to his grandfather in you help build this
Louisville football program, you help get us the Yum Center thing,
you know, the all the all the facilities, like Tom
Durse did an incredible job as athletic director obviously and
in in in disgrace because of the Patino stuff. Whatever,
But do you want to go and just one of
those things that you can? But do you want to

(01:59:46):
That's like being invited to your ex wife's wedding? Not acceptable? Right?
Do you go? I don't, I don't know. Do you do?
You go do your extual wedding? Yeah? I think you do.
You gotta crash that thing and see what you can do.
Get hammered and you do over a toast. Absolutely, first,
let do something before away Game three tonight in the air,

(02:00:07):
Game three tomorrow on the Eastern Conference Finals Cavaliers in Boston.
Celtics head coach Tyler wants to split the pace in
game number three and not put so much pressure on
one Lebron James agree with that. I think it's one
plan that the problem is that they're younger, quicker, and
more athletic than you are with his with his bench,
I think you can push the pace with Jordan Clarkson,
ever Um and Nance and some of those guys. And

(02:00:29):
I liked him to play Setti Osmond some more, but
just because he brings and you need energy and toughness. Um,
I think that's what's sorely missing. Like Look, they have
never recovered from losing Deli. Delhi was a big loss
to them. He gave them toughness as well as shooting
off the bench. You gotta get sweaty, you gotta be
ready to going out there and pressed that the press.

(02:00:52):
What happens at the end of this weekend? Ryan, We're
what are you looking serious? Wise? I'm gonna go to
one Celtics to one Warrior to one Celtics to one Warriors.
I agree with both of those ramos. What do you
think that that means I've been wrong in every one
of these games? Simulate what do you got so by
Monday to only be three games. They only played four games.
They played one game each day. I'd say I don't

(02:01:14):
know too. I agree with both of you. To one
Warriors to one Celtics. All right, David Gascon, what do
you think the please we need a series out of
this Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, we need serious, we need
six games. I think we'll get six out of both.
I think we'll get We'll get at least five out
of out of the Eastern Conference. We'll get six out

(02:01:34):
of the Western Conference. Something's funny and that's not me
and no, I did not break win. Have a great
weekend from Vegas. On Monday, it's dug out them show.

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