May 18, 2018 • 42 mins
Doug points out that NBA "fans" and people "inside" the NBA view Steph Curry very differently and explains why Kevin Durant needs more recognition. He also thinks Terrell Owens is wrong about Jason Garrett and explains why he's done a good job as the Cowboys head coach. And Doug talks to former NBA head coach Vinny Del Negro to see what the Cavaliers have to do in order to come back in their series against the Celtics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Off America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Coming to you from the beautiful overcast
but soon to be sunny city of Angels. I hope
you're having a great day. There is an interesting disconnect
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between the sports fan and the sport. There's an interesting
disconnect between the sports fan and the sports sports fans,
many of them now. He can't forgive Kevin Durant for
leaving Oklahoma City. Not only can they not forget that
they were up three games to one against the Golden
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State Warriors. And does it become the popular popular joke, Hey,
if he loses to the Rockets, does he then join
the Rockets? But in many ways they can't recognize his
profound breakthrough talent. It's interesting, Um, Steph Curry did something
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that superstars are not supposed to do. He asked for help.
As part of the Hampton Five. He went to Kevin
Durant like, Hey, we'd love for you to join us.
What he was a two time m v P, had
finished the season as the unanimous m v P, and
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he had the intestinal lower intestinal fortitude to say I
need help, and because Steph Curry has two m vps,
because he has two NBA titles, one with one without
Kevin Durant, and because the Warriors struggled down the stretch
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without him. There are many people. Matter of fact, they're
their own color broadcaster joined us yesterday to say he
was he was the most important member of the Golden
State Warriors. Fans will tell you that he's an all
time great. I think people in the League of like, look,
he's an unbelieved Chris Paul said, I'm a better player
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every I do everything better except shoot the ball. And
he's probably right, probably right now. Shooting is incredibly valuable.
Three is more than two. Even my Oakland State education
can tell me that mathematically. But it's one of those
things to which we are so fascinated by the threes
and by the point totals that sometimes we miss some
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of the other things that are missing in his game.
I was driving around Los Angeles listening to Colin cow
heard earlier today and he he had on Daryl Morey.
Darryl Morey is the general manager of the Houston Rockets.
He's an m I T grad, very bright. Obviously, he's
somebody who champions analytics. And we can get into the
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impetus of that discussion a little bit later on. But
but I was actually listening intently to an answer he had.
Colin asked him if they'd found a way to beat
the Warriors. Take a listen to his answer. There are
lots of ways to lose to the Warriors. There's no
there's no good way to do it. It's not can
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this way beat the Warriors? The question we we faith
this is what is our best plan to give us
the best chance, and that that's what we're doing. But
it's not like we go in saying, oh, we do act,
this is gonna work. We're doing acts because it's the
best plan and we think it gives us the best
chance to win, and we think it's a good a
good chance to win. But obviously no one's sitting here
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with a great chance to beat a team that won
seventy three games and then add one of the great
greatest players of all time. Do you hear that last sentence?
You heard the last sentence. The last sentence is the
most telling sentence. You know. He said that they added
one of the greatest players of all time. I would
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concur I had people who laughed at me in the
media when I said Kevin Ryansos one of the ten
best modern day basketball players period. It's one m v P.
He's one of finals MVP and uh, he's the best
player on the best team in the NBA, and by
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my estimation, he's the best player currently in the NBA.
And this will be the second year going, and he's
had other seasons which is closed. Of course, he had
one season to rail by MRS fifty one games due
to injury. There is no discussion in the NBA about
whether or not Steph Curry is one of the all
time greatest players ever. The same thing with Clay Thompson
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and very very good. There was a discussion within the
Warriors and will continue to be that discussion of hey,
if you had to lose one, like who's actually more valuable?
Clay who plays both ends, who matches up well, but
doesn't necessarily create, doesn't create for others the way that
Steph does, or staff where you have to hide at
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one end and requires a lot of volume, and sometimes
you know, the numbers can be off like they've been
the first two games, but he can also create for others,
and he's one of those guys to which he's so
electric that he draws the attention of one and a
half to two guys defensively. So to display a little
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bit like there's an honest discussion about whether or not
Clay is better or is better all around than Steph is,
there's no discussion about Kevin Durant. So here's what I
found to be interesting since they've combined forces. The mainstream
fans says it takes away, It thinks it takes away
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from Kevin Durand's greatness and only continues to uh continues
to point out how incredible Steph Curry is. The reality
or the basketball person says, Kevin Durant is far and
away their best player, and he's out shown Steph Curry
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at both ends of the floor because of his size,
because of his versatility, and because of his skill. That
it shows the difference between one of the greatest players
who have ever played bas basketball and a perennial All
Star who's maybe the best shooter we've ever seen. Steph
Curry in many ways has a little Lad Guerrero to him.
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I'll bring this up because vlad Garrow's son is tearing
up the minor leagues. Black Garrow, I'm an Angel fan.
Black grow was the best bad ball hitter I've ever
seen in baseball. It was weird. You have a better
shot to hit one at his shoelaces, or if it's skipped,
then if you threw it right down the middle. But
you didn't want to throw right down the middle because
there was the thought that black Garrow would deposit it
somewhere into the outfield right or in the outfield seats.
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I don't think black Garrow is one of the ten
best players I've ever seen, but he's one of the
ten best bad ball he he he was the opposite
of what you've been told. He always told, hey, hit
balls that are in your zone. Hit balls that are
in your zone. Right, But why it's all because of percentages.
The percentages tell you that you hit it in your zone,
you're way more likely to see success. That's the same
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thing with Steph Curry. The quick release, the not even
looking at what you're doing when you're shooting the basketball,
shooting off of crossovers, shooting with the contested hand in
your face, the high floaters. All of us players have
been able to take those in the past they didn't.
Why because they were seen as low percentage shots. Right,
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He's the best bad shot take her I've ever seen.
You almost want Steph Curry sometimes you almost want to
leave it wide open. You almost think, maybe I leave
it wide open. But she never would leave Steph Curry
wide open because you think it's coming out of the
bottom of the net. I'm not sitting here trying to
tell you Steph Curry stinks. Far from it. Perennial All Star,
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Top ten, Top fifteen player in the NBA, no question.
But I heard Darryl Morey say something that I've long
thought and it kind of reiterated what basketball people will say,
which is Kevin Rants one of the greatest players we've
ever seen play basketball. But then add one of the
greatest players of all time, of all time. And yet
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I think outside of in basket inside basketball, the the fan,
if you will, is like, couldn't do it on his own,
couldn't do it with Westbrook chickened out up three games
the one and choked that somehow takes away from the
talent that's on display. Be sure to catch live editions
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noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. TiO back in the news. TiO has been
empowered here because now he's a Hall of famers. Now
we have to introduce Mr Terrell Um Pro Football Hall
of Famer Tarrell Owns. TiO was on one oh five
point three the Fan in Dallas. He had this to
say about Jason Garrett. When you really look at it,
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it doesn't make sense for Jason Garrett to continue to
have his job not really expanding or not really progressing
with the organization even as a team under his under
his coaching tenure. There it all boils down to players
being the scapegoat for his inability to lead the team
as he shoot. For me, it's mind bogging me. I
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don't understand it, and I think Jerry again, he's the
owner Um. At the end of the day, he has
feel good with himself about the decision. Okay, So remember
t O was in Dallas for a couple of years.
Jason Garrett was a backup quarterback at the time. Maybe
he just started. I'm not sure if you had just
started as a as a coach at that time. I
felt like I felt like Jason Garrett went from went
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from playing to coaching and then to head coach kind
of quickly, didn't he felt like a quick transition. TEO
is what oh six through oh eight? I'm gonna say, right,
and uh yeah, So I guess it's a so he was.
He was the offensive coordinator and assistant head coach at
that time. So Jason Garrett had a good portion to
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play with Tara Owens being cut by the Dallas Cowboys, right,
So I do think that And I didn't listen to
the interview in its entirety, but I would guess that
that's a portion of it. Is Jason Garrett a great coach,
I don't know. I do know one of the most
difficult things to do is be consistent in the nash
Football League. Here's Jason Garrett's record since taking over mid
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season in two thousand and ten five and three. Finished
that season eight and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight,
twelve and four. There were four and twelve. That was
when Tony Romo was That was the injury plague Tony
Romo year where he had the multiple fractures of the
collar bone and Dez also broke his foot that year. Uh.
Then thirteen and three and nine and seven last year.
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So he's been the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys
for seven a half years and he has one season
below five hundred and oh. Yeah. By the way, they
lost their two star players and I think Sean Lee
was out of portion of that season. Who's their leader defensively?
They had all kinds of injuries that year. So, uh,
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the idea that they haven't progressed. They were getting better
at eight and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight,
and then twelve and four is getting better and then
they had the injury year than thirteen and three. Last
year was regression. They got rid of. Some guys are
over the hill. I would say, here's where t O
does have at least a leg to stand upon. If
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everyone was totally happy with the coaching in Dallice, they
wouldn't have had massive upheaval in their coaching in their
coaching ranks this offseason. They did. So Jerry has let
it be known, or Jerry's guys have let it be known.
This is not acceptable. We need to be better. Next year.
We'll let you change, you know, coordinators and position coaches.
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But right that's in the that's in the future. Right now,
you're still the head coach. So you know, do I
take into account the fact that Teo got cut when
Jason Garrett was a offence coordinator. Sure? Am I looking
at it too realistically too honestly that you know, fact
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Jason Garrett um hasn't had a bad season. Maybe, but
the fact is that that that was Jerry or Stephen
Jones or anybody else. They've let it be known. You've
got to be better. That's why he had to change
coaching staffs. But I also think that some of it
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is personnel based. So I've never t O has never
been one to me that comes out and says something
to which really makes me think that's kind of a
low hanging fru blame the coach, like you could fire
You could have fired Jason Garrett, but one why would
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you fire him? Now? Obviously he's talking about fire up
to last year. I guarantee that from now until forever,
t O is gonna be trying to settle scores people
who kept him out of the Hall of Fame, people
who you think wronged him. He's gonna find a way
to say something to me about him. Why, Because that's
t O. It's a troubled dude. Man. He just is.
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He was a great player in his own right, of course,
became an He's been an NBA coach two times over.
He's Denny del Negro. You see him on NBA TV.
We're currently watching Luca dunk dun check uh in the
EuroLeague Final four. Of course, he's likely to be a
top three pick in the upcoming NBA draft video. I
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don't know. I'm guessing you're in Chicago at the pre
draft from maybe you're Are you watching any of this game? No,
I'm not watching any of the game right now. But
I've I've heard a lot about this kid, and uh,
obviously he's got a great feel for the game. He's
got size. Um, people talk us about his athleticism, but um,
he's got great feel and he's got size, and he's
young and potential is something obviously in talent that we're
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all looking to get. So um, he's gonna be a
high pick if he decides to come out, which I
expect he will. You know, you know, you've seen the
evolution of this game as a player and then as
a coach, now as a broadcaster. Um, I look at
the first pick and you've got DeAndre a and who's
a ridiculous talent at center, and he does he can
move his feet, but it's not what he does best.
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And we're watching a couple of teams, and like the
the key element to playing, you know, playing a big
because nobody plays centers anymore is the ability to cover
out in the floor and stretch the floor shooting the basket.
We shoots it pretty well. What are your thoughts about
how the game is evolving and really kind of the
disappearing center, especially late in big NBA games. Well, now
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let's say, you know, the defense kind of has dictated that.
So you have seven foot or shooting three pointers. Everything's
about spacing. It's hard to go to anybody physically anymore
because of the way the rules are. So if I
face you up with the ball and you can't put
your hands on me, I have no resistance to go
anywhere I want. So the numbers get skewed because the
scoring is up, the paces up, the three point shots
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are up. So as far as a guy like eight,
and he's skilled. I live out in Arizona. I've seen
him a ton. Um. You know he's he has nice rotation,
he has obviously a big body. Um. I he'll definitely
transfer to the NBA just from his size and skill standpoint.
But um, everything now is can big guys switch pick
and rolls? Can they control the three point line, not
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foul and not give up a blow by? So guys
don't have to rotate to stay on the three point
shooters in the corner, especially which is a pretty pretty
high percentage shot. So um, you know badly. I like
he's got good bounce, he can switch a lot of things.
He's only going to get better. Um. But there's you know,
the lotter. He's gonna always gonna get a good play.
You look at a guy like Donovan Mitchell last year
that plays for the Jazz. Now, what a spectacular young
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player he is. Um, and he went to late in
a lottery. So there's always players, Um, but the game
has definitely changed. You have to have a skill set, um,
and all the top guys are gonna have that. Benny
Dale Negro joining us in the Doug Outlet Show on
Fox Sports Radio, how are the Celtics doing this well.
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They have a lot of talent. For one, UM, you know,
Jason Tatum is a spectacular player, but he's also a
basketball a Q, great kid. UM. Same thing with Jaylen
Brown's second year player. They both have size. Amazing at
what they're doing at that age. I think Rogier Um
has really come into his own. He's a tough kid.
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He's a guy you want on your team because he's
gonna give you maximum effort. Al Horford, I think it's
um not enough UM publicity in terms of what he
brings to the team as far as stability, leadership. Marcus
Smarts the heart and soul of the toughness of that loster. Um.
Morris does his job. UM. But their body movement, their
ball of movement, they're unselfish play. I really like the
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way they compete. I spent some part of training camp
last year with Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens and his staff.
Brad does an excellent job. He's a very good teacher. UM.
He does a great job in film sessions. UM. But
really the basketball i Q, the high character that Danny
has brought in UM, that Brad is able to coach
is a big, big element of it. And then the
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ability to play for one of the great franchises I
think is an is an extra thing that um guys
look forward to do. But they're playing well, they're playing hard. Um,
Cleveland's gotta find their way a little bit. It's got
to be more than just lebron Um. But give this
Celtics a ton of credit by how hard they're playing.
And you know what others they're they're playing like they're
supposed to be winning. Their confidence of us so high
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right now, it's gonna be interesting how Cleveland responding Game three.
Is it? Is it crazy Vinnie to say, Hey, one
of the things that's hurt in Cleveland is they're built
for an offensive style to play off of lebron as shooters,
that they're built based upon offense, and yet it really
limits them defensively, right Whereas the the Celtics seem to
be built and I know Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown
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are far more long offensively than any of us thought
possible at this point in their careers. But but they're
built you know, with versatility defensively and athleticism defensively as
opposed to the Calves where yeah, they like guys that
you've gotta be able to cover some. But it's more
a I want vets that can make shots if Lebron
gets you the basketball, and that ultimately is part of
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their undoing. Yeah, I would agree with that. The thing
is is Lebron is such a spectacular player as we know,
you know, his track record speaks for itself. He'll figure
it out in games free. But there's no question he
needs the you know, all of the guys, not just
one or two that j R. Smith's and Hills and
all of them, anybody coming off the bench. But they
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have to play their pace, but they also have to play.
The Celtics won the first two games because they were
just from start to finish, they were consistently more aggressive
defensively and offensively. I think Cleveland has to get after
it more defensively, which will create easier baskets in the transition.
Now guys can get open shots, get to the corner threes. Um,
they need Kevin Love to play high and Tristan Thompson
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the bang and slow Horford down. But you know it
starts and finishes with Lebron. But Lebron cannot do it himself.
So style will play will be important, but other guys
are gonna have to have big games. Jr. Has gotta
hit some shots, UM, and they have to control the glass.
You cannot give the Celtics second chance opportunities. With their
body involved movement, they can make you look bad. What
changed from game one to game to Vinni Dale Negro
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join us in the Doug Show. What changed from Game
one to Game two? In your eyes? With the Houston
Rockets attitude, aggressiveness, style of play, UM, not getting down
when Kevin Durant makes a twenty ft fade away that
very few players can make. UM getting the ball to
the basket quick, playing with tempo, not worrying about the
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last play, worrying about the next play. They played their
style of basketball. They played Golden State basketball. They played
Houston Rockets basketball. And UM, you know when when James
Harden and Chris are going like that, and then Eric
Gordon's going like that, and uh, Trevor Reason and p J.
Tucker will be the keys. They're gonna get shots. Capella
is gonna get shots because so much attention to the
other three guys. UM. But the Rockets aggressively defensively to
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me was The most important, uh, impressive part of that
game was their defense. They're switching. You saw Capella. You
saw these guys in passing lanes. On the switches. They
were more aggressive, they weren't flat switches. UM. And that
triggered their offense because we know they're gonna score. They
just have too many offensive players. But UM, expect Golden
State to get going in game three. Expect Curry to
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be a little bit more aggressive, especially early, trying to
get him going from behind three point line. Once he
does that, that kind of opens up the floodgates for them. UM.
But Golden State what they did, what they needed to do.
They got home court back. UM. And now Houston's got
to go to Golden State. So game three, obviously, game four,
they're all important. But UM, as well as Houston played
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in games two, you have to feel good if your
Golden State going back with home court. Last thing, of course,
you you played in the Spurs organization. UM, it's one.
It's one that has been super tight lipped, and this
is one of the first years we've ever heard about
kind of the inner workings of it. You know, it
ended last season with la Marcus Aldridge wanting out and
then they see he got better, they change things. He's
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super happy. Now you got quiet Leonard and you got
the uncle involved in the agent change whenever. Is that
relationship reparable from your perspective, Oh? Absolutely yeah. I mean
there's obviously been some friction there, there's no question. But
at the end of the day, Um, maybe they've handed
the keys to Kawai Leonard with the Spurs. Um you know, uh,
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you know he had injuries that he wasn't happy with. Um,
you know what the contract will be and how they'll
figure that out. But um, he's too good of a
place and you'll never get value back for a guy
like him. He's one of the best way players, best
players in the league. So at the end of the day,
I think, um, you know, Coach Popovich and R. C.
Buford and the Spurs organization will figure it out with Kauai.
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They now may know how important he is. Um, but
you know, hey, no one knows the whole story. Um.
But UM, I wouldn't put anything past Coach Popovich. He
knows how important Kai is. Great stuff and he really
appreciate you joining us. Love your work on NBA TV.
Thanks you for be our guest on Fox Sports Radio anytime.
But good to talk to you, all right, Vine del
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Radio Fox Sports TV. In this case it was the
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Dan Patrick Show. J Billis from ESPN had this to say,
if they were going to redraft the Greg Odin won,
Kevin Durant to dre Aft here's his thoughts. The one though,
I'll tell you that that's still I have not changed
my mind on, even though it didn't work out, was
Greg that if Greg Oden had been healthy, I still
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would take him number one because I think he was
going to be great. That's even including Durant. Knowing that Durant,
because I I mean, I said the draft Knight, Durant
is gonna lead the league in scoring multiple times. He's
gonna be a great player. I just thought Odin was
it was the better choice. And now you would take
if Odin was healthy, you would still look at him
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as a long term investment better than Durant. Yes, I would.
And and you know, even though the game I mean
right now, maybe to be a little bit different, because
the game has changed a little bit. That was back
in two thousand seven if I remember right, But you
know that the game has changed a little bit and evolved.
So maybe if you're doing the decision with those two
guys at a teen today, in today's game, maybe or
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the dynamic would be a little bit different. I did
to think about that. I really would be interested as
to how many gms, if they had the first pick
back in oh seven, would have taken Durant number one. Um,
I would say most of them probably would have taken Odin.
But if we dial back to and I was a
take Odin guy at the time as well. But I
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would also point out there is not a chance in
hell I would take a center as opposed to a
scoring uh freak of nature the way that Kevin Durant
is not not a not a chance, which is why,
by the way I said on Dan on the Dan
Patrick Show later on, I would take Marvin Bagley ahead
of Deandredan and I think Aiden Ayton is a more
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uh is a better body, he's more athletic. He's just
a better center center prospect than Greg Oden was. I
would still take Kevin Durant ahead of him, even with
the unknown of the lack of strength at the time.
Just look at the way the NBA has gone, you
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know where where all the owners they're there. Every team
has one. They just don't play them in important moments
because they can't guard anybody, right, Because it's because there's
so much space on a basketball floor that you can
make it so that that center has to guard a
point guard. And the point guards are just too explosive,
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too quick, too athletic, and the and the big guys
can't touch him anymore. So I look, I think j
Billis does a really good job. He's done a really
good job for as long as he's been on the
NBA draft. But that's one just like, hey, dude, just
take the L. Just take the L on it. You're
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wrong and Odin broke down. Do I think Odin if
he was healthy, would have been a really good NBA player, Yes,
But I struggle with the Grego never showed signs of
what we've seen even from Joel Embiid in terms of
UH he had interior athletics, but never any exterior athleticism,
never any perimeter game at all. He was just a
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dominant old school big guy. And as we've seen from
jalil Ocalf like Joe is a small version of that.
But guys that play inside like they just that didn't work,
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you can hear the dulcet sounds of the bassy voice
of Jason McIntyre into this microphone. UM. I actually started
the show and I wasn't even thinking about you, But
the more I got into it, I remember I've seen
plenty of your tweets that you think Steph Curry is
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the second best point card of all time, No no
doubt about it, Doug. And by the way, thank you
for the kind introductions. I actually dove into the Steph
Curry thing pretty deep on the pick leet. You know
you've been shocked how many first place m v P
vote John Stockton had in his career. Isaiah Thomas had
it on his career, but Kurt already done, had vaulted
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him two seconds at point guard in NBA history. I
mean the two MVP awards. But you want to start
there or do you want to start with the three
point shooting and how he set the record for five
straight seasons led the league in three point shooting. I mean,
he's a tremendous free from shooter, or Curry is off
the charts. I don't know how there's any pushback, but
I am eager to hear your argument against Mr Curry. No.
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I mean, if you're gonna go by m v ps,
then then Steve Nash's hand in hand with him because
he won two m vps as well. Right, Certainly that's
one category that Steve Nash can match up with Steph Curry. Yeah,
other than that, you're just going with shooting numbers and statistics,
the stats when he's not the best player on his
own team right now. And I mean, look, I I
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kind of concur with the idea with with what Chris
Paul says, which is I think I'm a better player,
I just don't shoot it as well. Like I think
the shooting numbers skew you as a non kind of
basketball guy that loves basketball and loves to watch basketball
and comment on basketball, but he's not really a point
where he's a shooter who can pass and brings the
ball up the court occasional. That's a fair pushback and
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that the league has now changed. There are no longer
set positions there. There used to be five positions in
the eighties and nineties. Now there's basically three right ball handler,
wing or big. I mean, I think Brad Stevens started
that a couple of years ago. Maybe someone else did beforehand.
But you know, if you don't want to call Curry
a point guard, fine, then it's tough to have the
debate like when do you end the point guard era?
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Like Damian Lillard's a big shooter, is he a pure
point guard? I mean, Chris Paul is a little older school, right,
I mean, we know, uh, he came before Curry several
years earlier, and you know, I felt like the league
kind of changed, as you said earlier. Steve Nash kind
of ushers that into uh the sweet point shooting point guard.
Nash a great shoot in his time, No doubt he
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actually lives it out here near me in California, and
I see him frequently. Super nice guy. I think he
would probably agree with me that that created point guard
than he was. I don't think he would agree with you.
I also don't think he would say Steph Curry is
the best the best point he's worked with stef. I
don't think he would say Steph Curry's the best point
like you start with with Stockton, I think Isaiah Thomas,
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who's a Hall of Family, let me interrupt real quick.
You said Steph Curry, is that the best player on
his team was Stockton? Ever, yes, now you're going by
m VP awards. I understand that, but the ability to
play both ends of the floor is one that's really
hard to you know. It's It's like if you were
to say the top three players in the n b A,
I would say, you know, it's Durant Lebron and Kawhi
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Leonard went healthy and Kawhi Leonard's in that group not
just because he can score, but because he can dominate
at the defensive end of the floor and guard multiple positions.
I think other people would say James Harden. My problem
is that's the one end of the floor. Guy understand
let the league and Steals a couple of years ago.
But we all know, you know, steals this kind of
not the best metric to guard two measure defensive players.
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And that is one of the problems with these all
these comparisons. Listen, Lebron versus Jordan's. You know, I don't
want to get into that and go down that rabbit hole,
but Michael Jordan was an elite defensive player. Lebron James
not an elite defensive player. You know, like it's just well,
but how do you do defense, Like how do you
link someone on their defensive ability? Like you just you
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have you have to just watch and now, I mean,
I know there's defensive metrics. I would say this about
Lebron versus versus Jordan's. Lebron was Lebron much like his
offensive game, where he does everything pretty well some things
that are less slightly better. Defensively, it's the same thing
like is he a lockdown on ball defender. Not really.
Is he the world's greatest post defender? Not really? But
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you can guarden the post and guarden the perimeter. When
he was you know, when he was younger, he could
block shots. Chase Shiver behind, he did give good effort.
He is a good rebend or not a great rebend
A little bit everything is opposed to Jordan was more
of a just like Offensively, he was a score who
became a willing passer. Defensively, he was a great on
ball guy who became a very smart and crafty off
ball guy. Jason McIntyre joining us in the Doug Gallar ship.
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Let me, let me just let's get to the series.
What do you think is wrong with steph where Statistically
he hasn't been dominant? Uh and in fact, he's been
below average the last two games. Yeah, I mean the
guy missed thirty games, right at thirty thirty one games,
whatever the total was, and back for two weeks. And
if you watch that Pelican series, they just hit him
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on Rondo, and Rondo's not setting a bunch of screens.
They're not getting him in the pick and roll that
Pelicans did not attack Hurry. Now he's having to work
his butt off defensively because they're just going at him
every possession. I believe it was twenty times of Game one,
twenty three times in Game two, and on the event
of just not giving him any room, no breathing room whatsoever.
In game one they said, hey, well let Kevin Durant
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go nuts set fine, Durant went off, and they lost
Clay Thompson a bunch. Well in dream too, they didn't
lose Clay and step They just said we're not giving
him any three. I mean, I don't think duck you played.
If you ever missed thirty one games in a season
and came back to the player you would never call
yourself and it's impossible. No, I think it's very I
think it's very It's not just difficult to come back,
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it's also difficult to come back when the level of
intensity in a playoff game on the road is ridiculously
high in comparison. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you.
I also think I don't think it's just one thing.
Do I think he's fully healthy. Probably not, But I
also think that there's a portion of it where and
maybe not fully healthy. They're going at him twice as
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many times um and isolating him defensively. They're also allowed
to be more physical with him on the offensive end.
You factor in all those three things, and I think
that's the reason for the declining numbers thus far. Let's
not forget. Uh, they can say Draymond Iggala will give
you all the three you want. You know how many
threes they've made in this series, those two combined, I'm
gonna go they haven't hit fun So if you're the Rockets,
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you just say, hey, I don't. We're not gonna encourage
any room want to get Igudala Draymond shots. Go at Beata.
Now when they go home, those guys had shots. We
know the role players play better even for the Calves,
the sorry pathetic role players on the Cavs. They play
better at home, so you can expect Draymond and Igudala
to hit their shots. I mean the Warriors with Durant
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in the playoffs fifteen and oh average margin of victory
fifteen points. So I still think they own this series.
I think they win the next two and either looted
for one or four two. Jason McIntyre founded the Big Lead,
joining us in the Dougaltip Show. You can hear him
tomorrow morning seven o'clock am on the West coast, ten
am on the East coast right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So as you talk down to the Calves, role players,
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bench players, even their starters. Do you think they're done? Yeah,
it's over. I mean they could win one game, maybe
even two at home. But there's they're not winning this series,
does they? Just if you watch the I mean Jeff
van Gundy obviously noted there, you know they're just a
lessergy on defense and the eye rolling the tour of
each other. They're not locked in. But it's also about
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Austin's doing. I saw Indiana in the second half dominate
the series. The food quarters, they dominated, They outscored the
Cats by thirty two. Indiana did in that first round series. Well,
Brad Stevens is a better coach and Boston has better
players than Indiana. So we saw them dominate a fourth
quarter at home. I think they're gonna steal one in Cleveland,
and I think the series is over. And I think
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Lebron's is gonna start to check out as the series progresses.
I have no faith in Tylou. I have less than
zero faith in Rodney Hood. Jeff Green is in. I mean, listen,
I loved him in Georgetown, but Doug, I don't know
what happened to Jeff Green. No confidence. I mean, this
team is a train wreck. That's the voice of Jason
Jason McIntyre, where do you think Lebron goes? I'm still
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holding onto my lake thing. You know, I went on
the herd last June and pumped up Lebron and Paul
George of the Lakers, and of course you know, people
coming after me never gonna happen. Doug, do the process
of elimination, and you look at does Lebron want to
ring chee on the sixty five win Warriors when love
ball okay and he needs three point shoots? Does he
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want to go there? I don't see it, because he
want to go to the Sixers where they will have
no shooters. I mean, they're gonna have to lose Reddick
unless he's taken a bargain base and discount. Uh. And
we know Simmons can't shoot. We know Faults can't shoot.
I don't think they have the shooters in Philly, and
by process of elimination, I think the Lakers are the
team left standing. Okay, let's let's go to football. You
said Deshaun Watson best player under twenty five in the
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National Football League, Right, that's your that's your new Yeah. Now, uh,
you're you're a phenomenal producer who as well told me
that you hated that. And you know that a couple
other websites followed up our top under twenty five and
they didn't even list to Shaun Watson. And I thought
to myself, these guys even watch the five games he
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was in last year? I mean, did they watched what
he didn't wattle where he just decimated at defense like
it didn't even exist. I mean, for a rookie to
go into New England in Seattle and absolutely eviscerate the defenses.
I saw enough in five people who willing to give
Jimmy Garoppolo certainly seven million dollars after five games in France,
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San France. Why can't I say, after five games with Houston,
Deshaun Watson the best player in the league under twenty
five years old because he suffered his second tourn a
c L, because he's played a style that hasn't had
longevity in the NFL. You know, they switched to more
of a college system and they used his athleticism. We
don't know how athletic you will be, We don't know
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how sound his knee will be, and we don't know
if you can really play that style as people kind
of adjust to what you're doing. Um, as we've seen
in the past. You know, it didn't work for pick
guy right, didn't work for uh, it didn't work for
Vince Young, it didn't work for it hold On, didn't
work for Tebow, It didn't work for rg It didn't
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It didn't work for r G three. R G three
is Rookie of the Year. Then he had to be
a real quarterback. And oh yeah, by the way, come
off a second a c L surgery, which is what
Deshaun Watson is. Even if Deshaun Watson is light years
ahead of the guys I mentioned, the fact is that
running quarter tell me an old running quarterback. They don't exist.
But that's the thing. You listen, Yes, yes, he was
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a running quarterback at Clempson. The guys over three yards.
He was gonna shatter every rookie quarterback passing record, touchdown, yards,
you name it. If you had played like twelve games,
that's all he had to play. But if he played
like twelve games, guys would have had a book on him.
They would have adjusted they their offense. He's not just
a running he's winning with his arm in the pocket.
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He's got two good receivers and will follow when healthy.
Uh DeAndre Hopkins is the top seven receiver in the league.
He's got a pretty running game. And listen, I've taken
plenty of shots at Bill O'Brien over the years. The
guy knows something about quarterbacks. He's the only guys who
could make Hackenburg work at Penn State, and he did
a pretty good job in New England. Although I know
Tom Brady YadA, YadA, YadA, I just can't understand why
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people are down on Deshaun Way. I never had I'm
not down on Undershaun Watson. I'm realistic about people saying,
let me just hold that stock because he's coming off
a second a c L and they were playing a
style which has shown over time that it's it's really
hard to play for more than one season. That the
A c L is a good point took. But I
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do want to say that the advancements in technology and medicine. Okay,
when did Tommy john surgery used to mean in baseball
like you were done. I mean you're out over here,
it's over and now with Tommy come back later you
season Like the advancements in medicine and technology and it
is getting to the point where these guys can come
back almost brand new. I'm not saying he's could have
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come back like a robot and absolutely dominate, but I
would just not yet concerned about it to B C.
L as I would have if it was like Derrick Rodan,
who had like three or four of them all. Right,
last thing, Jason McIntyre founded The Big Lead, has his
own show Saturday Mornings Shore on Fox Sports Radio. Does
DeAndre Aton fit with NBA basketball in two? That's a
(39:03):
good one, But let me hear your thoughts first before
I I really our centers are concerned. I like him
because he has good feet, because he can shoot, he
can move, and he hasn't had injuries, so I don't
have the fear of him breaking down. So many big
guys breakdown. My issue is, look at the end of
NBA games, how many times do you go small ball?
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I'd go to Marvin Bagley, who was the number one
prospect coming in and can play multiple positions on offense,
can play multiple positions, although most of them not very
well on defense. Bagley would be my guy because of
his offensive versatility. Now you'd go Badlee over Luca. Were
you watching any of that real Madrid. I was, I was,
I have it right here on my TV, right in front.
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I mean, for me, he is what you want me.
He's got to be a LightsOut defender. But whether it's
two three small balls, this guy can I just love
his team, I would think feeling wise, he blows away
Marvin Bagley ceiling like I think Badley could come in
and be what seventeen and nine as a rookie maybe,
but what can he can he go much higher than that? Does?
Did you see him being Karl Anthony Towns and five
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and twelve all NBA? I just don't see that. I
mean he looks a step slow defensively. We know that
they had to go to the zone last year because
he couldn't guard a man a man, And I just
didn't see that dog in him. When you don't watch
that Kansas game, Dude, he want like an entire half
with no rebounds. I mean, like Badley, I don't love him.
And and as as such, I would go Luca one
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and I would take eight and two, I actually think,
And Doug, I know you know a lot about this
guy Jaren Jackson. For me, he's the guy who has
even a higher ceiling badly, you know, very bouncy. He's
still growing. I think he's only one team. I actually,
if it were me running the team, I would look
closer at Jaren Jackson then Marvin back. Jaren Jackson looks
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the part um he's gonna have change the shot. He
goes and spends no rotation. He's fine, He's good. He
does not have the the off, the drible skill of
of Marvin Bagley. Um, are you a true will Will
Trey Young be more Jimmer or will he be more
Steph in the nbammer. It's got a good shot. I mean, listen,
you know everybody who goes to Orlando kind of ends
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up failing, sort of like Sacramento in the East. But
I have some faith Untray Young. You know, he created
no side. I know. I know he's very tiny with
six six eighties my size. But ultimately I think Trey
Young will be a factor. Yeah, I think. I don't
think he's gonna put up two m vps like Korean shoot.
If he had arms it looked like Jason. If he
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had arms look like yours, this wouldn't be a question, right,
No one would be. On the other hand, I do
not believe you're close to six feet tall. So hold on,
look back up, back up to Trey youngle quick, So
where are you on this? You're not thinking he's jimmer.
I think he's more jimmer than he is. Stephr. Wow,
you don't even think he will average game eber in
the league, not on a team that wins games. Now, no,
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could could he average it? Yeah? I mean you know
you can on that. Will Trey Young be an All
NBA point guard enough by the time he's forty eight,
I'll take I'll take that. We'll do dinner on that one.
And you'll say, no, All NBA, All NBA, All NBA
is like Team Lowery's for team all NBA. Got it?
You know, got it. I'll go now alight like a deal.
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Gund have a great show tomorrow and get my paid,
get my dinner. You were in Orange County last week
and then you got my my wife. We're hiking. We're
doing something. Appreciate the love, Thanks Jason. All right, dou
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Off America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Coming to you from the beautiful overcast
but soon to be sunny city of Angels. I hope
you're having a great day. There is an interesting disconnect
(00:21):
between the sports fan and the sport. There's an interesting
disconnect between the sports fan and the sports sports fans,
many of them now. He can't forgive Kevin Durant for
leaving Oklahoma City. Not only can they not forget that
they were up three games to one against the Golden
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State Warriors. And does it become the popular popular joke, Hey,
if he loses to the Rockets, does he then join
the Rockets? But in many ways they can't recognize his
profound breakthrough talent. It's interesting, Um, Steph Curry did something
(01:02):
that superstars are not supposed to do. He asked for help.
As part of the Hampton Five. He went to Kevin
Durant like, Hey, we'd love for you to join us.
What he was a two time m v P, had
finished the season as the unanimous m v P, and
(01:26):
he had the intestinal lower intestinal fortitude to say I
need help, and because Steph Curry has two m vps,
because he has two NBA titles, one with one without
Kevin Durant, and because the Warriors struggled down the stretch
(01:46):
without him. There are many people. Matter of fact, they're
their own color broadcaster joined us yesterday to say he
was he was the most important member of the Golden
State Warriors. Fans will tell you that he's an all
time great. I think people in the League of like, look,
he's an unbelieved Chris Paul said, I'm a better player
(02:08):
every I do everything better except shoot the ball. And
he's probably right, probably right now. Shooting is incredibly valuable.
Three is more than two. Even my Oakland State education
can tell me that mathematically. But it's one of those
things to which we are so fascinated by the threes
and by the point totals that sometimes we miss some
(02:31):
of the other things that are missing in his game.
I was driving around Los Angeles listening to Colin cow
heard earlier today and he he had on Daryl Morey.
Darryl Morey is the general manager of the Houston Rockets.
He's an m I T grad, very bright. Obviously, he's
somebody who champions analytics. And we can get into the
(02:51):
impetus of that discussion a little bit later on. But
but I was actually listening intently to an answer he had.
Colin asked him if they'd found a way to beat
the Warriors. Take a listen to his answer. There are
lots of ways to lose to the Warriors. There's no
there's no good way to do it. It's not can
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this way beat the Warriors? The question we we faith
this is what is our best plan to give us
the best chance, and that that's what we're doing. But
it's not like we go in saying, oh, we do act,
this is gonna work. We're doing acts because it's the
best plan and we think it gives us the best
chance to win, and we think it's a good a
good chance to win. But obviously no one's sitting here
(03:33):
with a great chance to beat a team that won
seventy three games and then add one of the great
greatest players of all time. Do you hear that last sentence?
You heard the last sentence. The last sentence is the
most telling sentence. You know. He said that they added
one of the greatest players of all time. I would
(03:55):
concur I had people who laughed at me in the
media when I said Kevin Ryansos one of the ten
best modern day basketball players period. It's one m v P.
He's one of finals MVP and uh, he's the best
player on the best team in the NBA, and by
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my estimation, he's the best player currently in the NBA.
And this will be the second year going, and he's
had other seasons which is closed. Of course, he had
one season to rail by MRS fifty one games due
to injury. There is no discussion in the NBA about
whether or not Steph Curry is one of the all
time greatest players ever. The same thing with Clay Thompson
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and very very good. There was a discussion within the
Warriors and will continue to be that discussion of hey,
if you had to lose one, like who's actually more valuable?
Clay who plays both ends, who matches up well, but
doesn't necessarily create, doesn't create for others the way that
Steph does, or staff where you have to hide at
(04:57):
one end and requires a lot of volume, and sometimes
you know, the numbers can be off like they've been
the first two games, but he can also create for others,
and he's one of those guys to which he's so
electric that he draws the attention of one and a
half to two guys defensively. So to display a little
(05:19):
bit like there's an honest discussion about whether or not
Clay is better or is better all around than Steph is,
there's no discussion about Kevin Durant. So here's what I
found to be interesting since they've combined forces. The mainstream
fans says it takes away, It thinks it takes away
(05:40):
from Kevin Durand's greatness and only continues to uh continues
to point out how incredible Steph Curry is. The reality
or the basketball person says, Kevin Durant is far and
away their best player, and he's out shown Steph Curry
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at both ends of the floor because of his size,
because of his versatility, and because of his skill. That
it shows the difference between one of the greatest players
who have ever played bas basketball and a perennial All
Star who's maybe the best shooter we've ever seen. Steph
Curry in many ways has a little Lad Guerrero to him.
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I'll bring this up because vlad Garrow's son is tearing
up the minor leagues. Black Garrow, I'm an Angel fan.
Black grow was the best bad ball hitter I've ever
seen in baseball. It was weird. You have a better
shot to hit one at his shoelaces, or if it's skipped,
then if you threw it right down the middle. But
you didn't want to throw right down the middle because
there was the thought that black Garrow would deposit it
somewhere into the outfield right or in the outfield seats.
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I don't think black Garrow is one of the ten
best players I've ever seen, but he's one of the
ten best bad ball he he he was the opposite
of what you've been told. He always told, hey, hit
balls that are in your zone. Hit balls that are
in your zone. Right, But why it's all because of percentages.
The percentages tell you that you hit it in your zone,
you're way more likely to see success. That's the same
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thing with Steph Curry. The quick release, the not even
looking at what you're doing when you're shooting the basketball,
shooting off of crossovers, shooting with the contested hand in
your face, the high floaters. All of us players have
been able to take those in the past they didn't.
Why because they were seen as low percentage shots. Right,
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He's the best bad shot take her I've ever seen.
You almost want Steph Curry sometimes you almost want to
leave it wide open. You almost think, maybe I leave
it wide open. But she never would leave Steph Curry
wide open because you think it's coming out of the
bottom of the net. I'm not sitting here trying to
tell you Steph Curry stinks. Far from it. Perennial All Star,
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Top ten, Top fifteen player in the NBA, no question.
But I heard Darryl Morey say something that I've long
thought and it kind of reiterated what basketball people will say,
which is Kevin Rants one of the greatest players we've
ever seen play basketball. But then add one of the
greatest players of all time, of all time. And yet
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I think outside of in basket inside basketball, the the fan,
if you will, is like, couldn't do it on his own,
couldn't do it with Westbrook chickened out up three games
the one and choked that somehow takes away from the
talent that's on display. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
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noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. TiO back in the news. TiO has been
empowered here because now he's a Hall of famers. Now
we have to introduce Mr Terrell Um Pro Football Hall
of Famer Tarrell Owns. TiO was on one oh five
point three the Fan in Dallas. He had this to
say about Jason Garrett. When you really look at it,
(09:02):
it doesn't make sense for Jason Garrett to continue to
have his job not really expanding or not really progressing
with the organization even as a team under his under
his coaching tenure. There it all boils down to players
being the scapegoat for his inability to lead the team
as he shoot. For me, it's mind bogging me. I
(09:23):
don't understand it, and I think Jerry again, he's the
owner Um. At the end of the day, he has
feel good with himself about the decision. Okay, So remember
t O was in Dallas for a couple of years.
Jason Garrett was a backup quarterback at the time. Maybe
he just started. I'm not sure if you had just
started as a as a coach at that time. I
felt like I felt like Jason Garrett went from went
(09:46):
from playing to coaching and then to head coach kind
of quickly, didn't he felt like a quick transition. TEO
is what oh six through oh eight? I'm gonna say, right,
and uh yeah, So I guess it's a so he was.
He was the offensive coordinator and assistant head coach at
that time. So Jason Garrett had a good portion to
(10:08):
play with Tara Owens being cut by the Dallas Cowboys, right,
So I do think that And I didn't listen to
the interview in its entirety, but I would guess that
that's a portion of it. Is Jason Garrett a great coach,
I don't know. I do know one of the most
difficult things to do is be consistent in the nash
Football League. Here's Jason Garrett's record since taking over mid
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season in two thousand and ten five and three. Finished
that season eight and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight,
twelve and four. There were four and twelve. That was
when Tony Romo was That was the injury plague Tony
Romo year where he had the multiple fractures of the
collar bone and Dez also broke his foot that year. Uh.
Then thirteen and three and nine and seven last year.
(10:55):
So he's been the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys
for seven a half years and he has one season
below five hundred and oh. Yeah. By the way, they
lost their two star players and I think Sean Lee
was out of portion of that season. Who's their leader defensively?
They had all kinds of injuries that year. So, uh,
(11:20):
the idea that they haven't progressed. They were getting better
at eight and eight, eight and eight, eight and eight,
and then twelve and four is getting better and then
they had the injury year than thirteen and three. Last
year was regression. They got rid of. Some guys are
over the hill. I would say, here's where t O
does have at least a leg to stand upon. If
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everyone was totally happy with the coaching in Dallice, they
wouldn't have had massive upheaval in their coaching in their
coaching ranks this offseason. They did. So Jerry has let
it be known, or Jerry's guys have let it be known.
This is not acceptable. We need to be better. Next year.
We'll let you change, you know, coordinators and position coaches.
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But right that's in the that's in the future. Right now,
you're still the head coach. So you know, do I
take into account the fact that Teo got cut when
Jason Garrett was a offence coordinator. Sure? Am I looking
at it too realistically too honestly that you know, fact
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Jason Garrett um hasn't had a bad season. Maybe, but
the fact is that that that was Jerry or Stephen
Jones or anybody else. They've let it be known. You've
got to be better. That's why he had to change
coaching staffs. But I also think that some of it
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is personnel based. So I've never t O has never
been one to me that comes out and says something
to which really makes me think that's kind of a
low hanging fru blame the coach, like you could fire
You could have fired Jason Garrett, but one why would
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you fire him? Now? Obviously he's talking about fire up
to last year. I guarantee that from now until forever,
t O is gonna be trying to settle scores people
who kept him out of the Hall of Fame, people
who you think wronged him. He's gonna find a way
to say something to me about him. Why, Because that's
t O. It's a troubled dude. Man. He just is.
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He was a great player in his own right, of course,
became an He's been an NBA coach two times over.
He's Denny del Negro. You see him on NBA TV.
We're currently watching Luca dunk dun check uh in the
EuroLeague Final four. Of course, he's likely to be a
top three pick in the upcoming NBA draft video. I
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don't know. I'm guessing you're in Chicago at the pre
draft from maybe you're Are you watching any of this game? No,
I'm not watching any of the game right now. But
I've I've heard a lot about this kid, and uh,
obviously he's got a great feel for the game. He's
got size. Um, people talk us about his athleticism, but um,
he's got great feel and he's got size, and he's
young and potential is something obviously in talent that we're
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all looking to get. So um, he's gonna be a
high pick if he decides to come out, which I
expect he will. You know, you know, you've seen the
evolution of this game as a player and then as
a coach, now as a broadcaster. Um, I look at
the first pick and you've got DeAndre a and who's
a ridiculous talent at center, and he does he can
move his feet, but it's not what he does best.
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And we're watching a couple of teams, and like the
the key element to playing, you know, playing a big
because nobody plays centers anymore is the ability to cover
out in the floor and stretch the floor shooting the basket.
We shoots it pretty well. What are your thoughts about
how the game is evolving and really kind of the
disappearing center, especially late in big NBA games. Well, now
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let's say, you know, the defense kind of has dictated that.
So you have seven foot or shooting three pointers. Everything's
about spacing. It's hard to go to anybody physically anymore
because of the way the rules are. So if I
face you up with the ball and you can't put
your hands on me, I have no resistance to go
anywhere I want. So the numbers get skewed because the
scoring is up, the paces up, the three point shots
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are up. So as far as a guy like eight,
and he's skilled. I live out in Arizona. I've seen
him a ton. Um. You know he's he has nice rotation,
he has obviously a big body. Um. I he'll definitely
transfer to the NBA just from his size and skill standpoint.
But um, everything now is can big guys switch pick
and rolls? Can they control the three point line, not
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foul and not give up a blow by? So guys
don't have to rotate to stay on the three point
shooters in the corner, especially which is a pretty pretty
high percentage shot. So um, you know badly. I like
he's got good bounce, he can switch a lot of things.
He's only going to get better. Um. But there's you know,
the lotter. He's gonna always gonna get a good play.
You look at a guy like Donovan Mitchell last year
that plays for the Jazz. Now, what a spectacular young
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player he is. Um, and he went to late in
a lottery. So there's always players, Um, but the game
has definitely changed. You have to have a skill set, um,
and all the top guys are gonna have that. Benny
Dale Negro joining us in the Doug Outlet Show on
Fox Sports Radio, how are the Celtics doing this well.
(16:26):
They have a lot of talent. For one, UM, you know,
Jason Tatum is a spectacular player, but he's also a
basketball a Q, great kid. UM. Same thing with Jaylen
Brown's second year player. They both have size. Amazing at
what they're doing at that age. I think Rogier Um
has really come into his own. He's a tough kid.
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He's a guy you want on your team because he's
gonna give you maximum effort. Al Horford, I think it's
um not enough UM publicity in terms of what he
brings to the team as far as stability, leadership. Marcus
Smarts the heart and soul of the toughness of that loster. Um.
Morris does his job. UM. But their body movement, their
ball of movement, they're unselfish play. I really like the
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way they compete. I spent some part of training camp
last year with Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens and his staff.
Brad does an excellent job. He's a very good teacher. UM.
He does a great job in film sessions. UM. But
really the basketball i Q, the high character that Danny
has brought in UM, that Brad is able to coach
is a big, big element of it. And then the
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ability to play for one of the great franchises I
think is an is an extra thing that um guys
look forward to do. But they're playing well, they're playing hard. Um,
Cleveland's gotta find their way a little bit. It's got
to be more than just lebron Um. But give this
Celtics a ton of credit by how hard they're playing.
And you know what others they're they're playing like they're
supposed to be winning. Their confidence of us so high
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right now, it's gonna be interesting how Cleveland responding Game three.
Is it? Is it crazy Vinnie to say, Hey, one
of the things that's hurt in Cleveland is they're built
for an offensive style to play off of lebron as shooters,
that they're built based upon offense, and yet it really
limits them defensively, right Whereas the the Celtics seem to
be built and I know Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown
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are far more long offensively than any of us thought
possible at this point in their careers. But but they're
built you know, with versatility defensively and athleticism defensively as
opposed to the Calves where yeah, they like guys that
you've gotta be able to cover some. But it's more
a I want vets that can make shots if Lebron
gets you the basketball, and that ultimately is part of
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their undoing. Yeah, I would agree with that. The thing
is is Lebron is such a spectacular player as we know,
you know, his track record speaks for itself. He'll figure
it out in games free. But there's no question he
needs the you know, all of the guys, not just
one or two that j R. Smith's and Hills and
all of them, anybody coming off the bench. But they
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have to play their pace, but they also have to play.
The Celtics won the first two games because they were
just from start to finish, they were consistently more aggressive
defensively and offensively. I think Cleveland has to get after
it more defensively, which will create easier baskets in the transition.
Now guys can get open shots, get to the corner threes. Um,
they need Kevin Love to play high and Tristan Thompson
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the bang and slow Horford down. But you know it
starts and finishes with Lebron. But Lebron cannot do it himself.
So style will play will be important, but other guys
are gonna have to have big games. Jr. Has gotta
hit some shots, UM, and they have to control the glass.
You cannot give the Celtics second chance opportunities. With their
body involved movement, they can make you look bad. What
changed from game one to game to Vinni Dale Negro
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join us in the Doug Show. What changed from Game
one to Game two? In your eyes? With the Houston
Rockets attitude, aggressiveness, style of play, UM, not getting down
when Kevin Durant makes a twenty ft fade away that
very few players can make. UM getting the ball to
the basket quick, playing with tempo, not worrying about the
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last play, worrying about the next play. They played their
style of basketball. They played Golden State basketball. They played
Houston Rockets basketball. And UM, you know when when James
Harden and Chris are going like that, and then Eric
Gordon's going like that, and uh, Trevor Reason and p J.
Tucker will be the keys. They're gonna get shots. Capella
is gonna get shots because so much attention to the
other three guys. UM. But the Rockets aggressively defensively to
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me was The most important, uh, impressive part of that
game was their defense. They're switching. You saw Capella. You
saw these guys in passing lanes. On the switches. They
were more aggressive, they weren't flat switches. UM. And that
triggered their offense because we know they're gonna score. They
just have too many offensive players. But UM, expect Golden
State to get going in game three. Expect Curry to
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be a little bit more aggressive, especially early, trying to
get him going from behind three point line. Once he
does that, that kind of opens up the floodgates for them. UM.
But Golden State what they did, what they needed to do.
They got home court back. UM. And now Houston's got
to go to Golden State. So game three, obviously, game four,
they're all important. But UM, as well as Houston played
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in games two, you have to feel good if your
Golden State going back with home court. Last thing, of course,
you you played in the Spurs organization. UM, it's one.
It's one that has been super tight lipped, and this
is one of the first years we've ever heard about
kind of the inner workings of it. You know, it
ended last season with la Marcus Aldridge wanting out and
then they see he got better, they change things. He's
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super happy. Now you got quiet Leonard and you got
the uncle involved in the agent change whenever. Is that
relationship reparable from your perspective, Oh? Absolutely yeah. I mean
there's obviously been some friction there, there's no question. But
at the end of the day, Um, maybe they've handed
the keys to Kawai Leonard with the Spurs. Um you know, uh,
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you know he had injuries that he wasn't happy with. Um,
you know what the contract will be and how they'll
figure that out. But um, he's too good of a
place and you'll never get value back for a guy
like him. He's one of the best way players, best
players in the league. So at the end of the day,
I think, um, you know, Coach Popovich and R. C.
Buford and the Spurs organization will figure it out with Kauai.
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They now may know how important he is. Um, but
you know, hey, no one knows the whole story. Um.
But UM, I wouldn't put anything past Coach Popovich. He
knows how important Kai is. Great stuff and he really
appreciate you joining us. Love your work on NBA TV.
Thanks you for be our guest on Fox Sports Radio anytime.
But good to talk to you, all right, Vine del
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Negro joining us on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Be sure
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Day and the Gotli Show. We played for you a
portion of something earlier in the day on Fox Sports
Radio Fox Sports TV. In this case it was the
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Dan Patrick Show. J Billis from ESPN had this to say,
if they were going to redraft the Greg Odin won,
Kevin Durant to dre Aft here's his thoughts. The one though,
I'll tell you that that's still I have not changed
my mind on, even though it didn't work out, was
Greg that if Greg Oden had been healthy, I still
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would take him number one because I think he was
going to be great. That's even including Durant. Knowing that Durant,
because I I mean, I said the draft Knight, Durant
is gonna lead the league in scoring multiple times. He's
gonna be a great player. I just thought Odin was
it was the better choice. And now you would take
if Odin was healthy, you would still look at him
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as a long term investment better than Durant. Yes, I would.
And and you know, even though the game I mean
right now, maybe to be a little bit different, because
the game has changed a little bit. That was back
in two thousand seven if I remember right, But you
know that the game has changed a little bit and evolved.
So maybe if you're doing the decision with those two
guys at a teen today, in today's game, maybe or
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the dynamic would be a little bit different. I did
to think about that. I really would be interested as
to how many gms, if they had the first pick
back in oh seven, would have taken Durant number one. Um,
I would say most of them probably would have taken Odin.
But if we dial back to and I was a
take Odin guy at the time as well. But I
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would also point out there is not a chance in
hell I would take a center as opposed to a
scoring uh freak of nature the way that Kevin Durant
is not not a not a chance, which is why,
by the way I said on Dan on the Dan
Patrick Show later on, I would take Marvin Bagley ahead
of Deandredan and I think Aiden Ayton is a more
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uh is a better body, he's more athletic. He's just
a better center center prospect than Greg Oden was. I
would still take Kevin Durant ahead of him, even with
the unknown of the lack of strength at the time.
Just look at the way the NBA has gone, you
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know where where all the owners they're there. Every team
has one. They just don't play them in important moments
because they can't guard anybody, right, Because it's because there's
so much space on a basketball floor that you can
make it so that that center has to guard a
point guard. And the point guards are just too explosive,
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too quick, too athletic, and the and the big guys
can't touch him anymore. So I look, I think j
Billis does a really good job. He's done a really
good job for as long as he's been on the
NBA draft. But that's one just like, hey, dude, just
take the L. Just take the L on it. You're
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wrong and Odin broke down. Do I think Odin if
he was healthy, would have been a really good NBA player, Yes,
But I struggle with the Grego never showed signs of
what we've seen even from Joel Embiid in terms of
UH he had interior athletics, but never any exterior athleticism,
never any perimeter game at all. He was just a
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dominant old school big guy. And as we've seen from
jalil Ocalf like Joe is a small version of that.
But guys that play inside like they just that didn't work,
doesn't work. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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you can hear the dulcet sounds of the bassy voice
of Jason McIntyre into this microphone. UM. I actually started
the show and I wasn't even thinking about you, But
the more I got into it, I remember I've seen
plenty of your tweets that you think Steph Curry is
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the second best point card of all time, No no
doubt about it, Doug. And by the way, thank you
for the kind introductions. I actually dove into the Steph
Curry thing pretty deep on the pick leet. You know
you've been shocked how many first place m v P
vote John Stockton had in his career. Isaiah Thomas had
it on his career, but Kurt already done, had vaulted
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him two seconds at point guard in NBA history. I
mean the two MVP awards. But you want to start
there or do you want to start with the three
point shooting and how he set the record for five
straight seasons led the league in three point shooting. I mean,
he's a tremendous free from shooter, or Curry is off
the charts. I don't know how there's any pushback, but
I am eager to hear your argument against Mr Curry. No.
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I mean, if you're gonna go by m v ps,
then then Steve Nash's hand in hand with him because
he won two m vps as well. Right, Certainly that's
one category that Steve Nash can match up with Steph Curry. Yeah,
other than that, you're just going with shooting numbers and statistics,
the stats when he's not the best player on his
own team right now. And I mean, look, I I
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kind of concur with the idea with with what Chris
Paul says, which is I think I'm a better player,
I just don't shoot it as well. Like I think
the shooting numbers skew you as a non kind of
basketball guy that loves basketball and loves to watch basketball
and comment on basketball, but he's not really a point
where he's a shooter who can pass and brings the
ball up the court occasional. That's a fair pushback and
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that the league has now changed. There are no longer
set positions there. There used to be five positions in
the eighties and nineties. Now there's basically three right ball handler,
wing or big. I mean, I think Brad Stevens started
that a couple of years ago. Maybe someone else did beforehand.
But you know, if you don't want to call Curry
a point guard, fine, then it's tough to have the
debate like when do you end the point guard era?
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Like Damian Lillard's a big shooter, is he a pure
point guard? I mean, Chris Paul is a little older school, right,
I mean, we know, uh, he came before Curry several
years earlier, and you know, I felt like the league
kind of changed, as you said earlier. Steve Nash kind
of ushers that into uh the sweet point shooting point guard.
Nash a great shoot in his time, No doubt he
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actually lives it out here near me in California, and
I see him frequently. Super nice guy. I think he
would probably agree with me that that created point guard
than he was. I don't think he would agree with you.
I also don't think he would say Steph Curry is
the best the best point he's worked with stef. I
don't think he would say Steph Curry's the best point
like you start with with Stockton, I think Isaiah Thomas,
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who's a Hall of Family, let me interrupt real quick.
You said Steph Curry, is that the best player on
his team was Stockton? Ever, yes, now you're going by
m VP awards. I understand that, but the ability to
play both ends of the floor is one that's really
hard to you know. It's It's like if you were
to say the top three players in the n b A,
I would say, you know, it's Durant Lebron and Kawhi
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Leonard went healthy and Kawhi Leonard's in that group not
just because he can score, but because he can dominate
at the defensive end of the floor and guard multiple positions.
I think other people would say James Harden. My problem
is that's the one end of the floor. Guy understand
let the league and Steals a couple of years ago.
But we all know, you know, steals this kind of
not the best metric to guard two measure defensive players.
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And that is one of the problems with these all
these comparisons. Listen, Lebron versus Jordan's. You know, I don't
want to get into that and go down that rabbit hole,
but Michael Jordan was an elite defensive player. Lebron James
not an elite defensive player. You know, like it's just well,
but how do you do defense, Like how do you
link someone on their defensive ability? Like you just you
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have you have to just watch and now, I mean,
I know there's defensive metrics. I would say this about
Lebron versus versus Jordan's. Lebron was Lebron much like his
offensive game, where he does everything pretty well some things
that are less slightly better. Defensively, it's the same thing
like is he a lockdown on ball defender. Not really.
Is he the world's greatest post defender? Not really? But
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you can guarden the post and guarden the perimeter. When
he was you know, when he was younger, he could
block shots. Chase Shiver behind, he did give good effort.
He is a good rebend or not a great rebend
A little bit everything is opposed to Jordan was more
of a just like Offensively, he was a score who
became a willing passer. Defensively, he was a great on
ball guy who became a very smart and crafty off
ball guy. Jason McIntyre joining us in the Doug Gallar ship.
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Let me, let me just let's get to the series.
What do you think is wrong with steph where Statistically
he hasn't been dominant? Uh and in fact, he's been
below average the last two games. Yeah, I mean the
guy missed thirty games, right at thirty thirty one games,
whatever the total was, and back for two weeks. And
if you watch that Pelican series, they just hit him
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on Rondo, and Rondo's not setting a bunch of screens.
They're not getting him in the pick and roll that
Pelicans did not attack Hurry. Now he's having to work
his butt off defensively because they're just going at him
every possession. I believe it was twenty times of Game one,
twenty three times in Game two, and on the event
of just not giving him any room, no breathing room whatsoever.
In game one they said, hey, well let Kevin Durant
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go nuts set fine, Durant went off, and they lost
Clay Thompson a bunch. Well in dream too, they didn't
lose Clay and step They just said we're not giving
him any three. I mean, I don't think duck you played.
If you ever missed thirty one games in a season
and came back to the player you would never call
yourself and it's impossible. No, I think it's very I
think it's very It's not just difficult to come back,
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it's also difficult to come back when the level of
intensity in a playoff game on the road is ridiculously
high in comparison. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you.
I also think I don't think it's just one thing.
Do I think he's fully healthy. Probably not, But I
also think that there's a portion of it where and
maybe not fully healthy. They're going at him twice as
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many times um and isolating him defensively. They're also allowed
to be more physical with him on the offensive end.
You factor in all those three things, and I think
that's the reason for the declining numbers thus far. Let's
not forget. Uh, they can say Draymond Iggala will give
you all the three you want. You know how many
threes they've made in this series, those two combined, I'm
gonna go they haven't hit fun So if you're the Rockets,
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you just say, hey, I don't. We're not gonna encourage
any room want to get Igudala Draymond shots. Go at Beata.
Now when they go home, those guys had shots. We
know the role players play better even for the Calves,
the sorry pathetic role players on the Cavs. They play
better at home, so you can expect Draymond and Igudala
to hit their shots. I mean the Warriors with Durant
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in the playoffs fifteen and oh average margin of victory
fifteen points. So I still think they own this series.
I think they win the next two and either looted
for one or four two. Jason McIntyre founded the Big Lead,
joining us in the Dougaltip Show. You can hear him
tomorrow morning seven o'clock am on the West coast, ten
am on the East coast right here on Fox Sports Radio.
So as you talk down to the Calves, role players,
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bench players, even their starters. Do you think they're done? Yeah,
it's over. I mean they could win one game, maybe
even two at home. But there's they're not winning this series,
does they? Just if you watch the I mean Jeff
van Gundy obviously noted there, you know they're just a
lessergy on defense and the eye rolling the tour of
each other. They're not locked in. But it's also about
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Austin's doing. I saw Indiana in the second half dominate
the series. The food quarters, they dominated, They outscored the
Cats by thirty two. Indiana did in that first round series. Well,
Brad Stevens is a better coach and Boston has better
players than Indiana. So we saw them dominate a fourth
quarter at home. I think they're gonna steal one in Cleveland,
and I think the series is over. And I think
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Lebron's is gonna start to check out as the series progresses.
I have no faith in Tylou. I have less than
zero faith in Rodney Hood. Jeff Green is in. I mean, listen,
I loved him in Georgetown, but Doug, I don't know
what happened to Jeff Green. No confidence. I mean, this
team is a train wreck. That's the voice of Jason
Jason McIntyre, where do you think Lebron goes? I'm still
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holding onto my lake thing. You know, I went on
the herd last June and pumped up Lebron and Paul
George of the Lakers, and of course you know, people
coming after me never gonna happen. Doug, do the process
of elimination, and you look at does Lebron want to
ring chee on the sixty five win Warriors when love
ball okay and he needs three point shoots? Does he
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want to go there? I don't see it, because he
want to go to the Sixers where they will have
no shooters. I mean, they're gonna have to lose Reddick
unless he's taken a bargain base and discount. Uh. And
we know Simmons can't shoot. We know Faults can't shoot.
I don't think they have the shooters in Philly, and
by process of elimination, I think the Lakers are the
team left standing. Okay, let's let's go to football. You
said Deshaun Watson best player under twenty five in the
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National Football League, Right, that's your that's your new Yeah. Now, uh,
you're you're a phenomenal producer who as well told me
that you hated that. And you know that a couple
other websites followed up our top under twenty five and
they didn't even list to Shaun Watson. And I thought
to myself, these guys even watch the five games he
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was in last year? I mean, did they watched what
he didn't wattle where he just decimated at defense like
it didn't even exist. I mean, for a rookie to
go into New England in Seattle and absolutely eviscerate the defenses.
I saw enough in five people who willing to give
Jimmy Garoppolo certainly seven million dollars after five games in France,
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San France. Why can't I say, after five games with Houston,
Deshaun Watson the best player in the league under twenty
five years old because he suffered his second tourn a
c L, because he's played a style that hasn't had
longevity in the NFL. You know, they switched to more
of a college system and they used his athleticism. We
don't know how athletic you will be, We don't know
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how sound his knee will be, and we don't know
if you can really play that style as people kind
of adjust to what you're doing. Um, as we've seen
in the past. You know, it didn't work for pick
guy right, didn't work for uh, it didn't work for
Vince Young, it didn't work for it hold On, didn't
work for Tebow, It didn't work for rg It didn't
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It didn't work for r G three. R G three
is Rookie of the Year. Then he had to be
a real quarterback. And oh yeah, by the way, come
off a second a c L surgery, which is what
Deshaun Watson is. Even if Deshaun Watson is light years
ahead of the guys I mentioned, the fact is that
running quarter tell me an old running quarterback. They don't exist.
But that's the thing. You listen, Yes, yes, he was
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a running quarterback at Clempson. The guys over three yards.
He was gonna shatter every rookie quarterback passing record, touchdown, yards,
you name it. If you had played like twelve games,
that's all he had to play. But if he played
like twelve games, guys would have had a book on him.
They would have adjusted they their offense. He's not just
a running he's winning with his arm in the pocket.
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He's got two good receivers and will follow when healthy.
Uh DeAndre Hopkins is the top seven receiver in the league.
He's got a pretty running game. And listen, I've taken
plenty of shots at Bill O'Brien over the years. The
guy knows something about quarterbacks. He's the only guys who
could make Hackenburg work at Penn State, and he did
a pretty good job in New England. Although I know
Tom Brady YadA, YadA, YadA, I just can't understand why
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people are down on Deshaun Way. I never had I'm
not down on Undershaun Watson. I'm realistic about people saying,
let me just hold that stock because he's coming off
a second a c L and they were playing a
style which has shown over time that it's it's really
hard to play for more than one season. That the
A c L is a good point took. But I
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do want to say that the advancements in technology and medicine. Okay,
when did Tommy john surgery used to mean in baseball
like you were done. I mean you're out over here,
it's over and now with Tommy come back later you
season Like the advancements in medicine and technology and it
is getting to the point where these guys can come
back almost brand new. I'm not saying he's could have
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come back like a robot and absolutely dominate, but I
would just not yet concerned about it to B C.
L as I would have if it was like Derrick Rodan,
who had like three or four of them all. Right,
last thing, Jason McIntyre founded The Big Lead, has his
own show Saturday Mornings Shore on Fox Sports Radio. Does
DeAndre Aton fit with NBA basketball in two? That's a
(39:03):
good one, But let me hear your thoughts first before
I I really our centers are concerned. I like him
because he has good feet, because he can shoot, he
can move, and he hasn't had injuries, so I don't
have the fear of him breaking down. So many big
guys breakdown. My issue is, look at the end of
NBA games, how many times do you go small ball?
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I'd go to Marvin Bagley, who was the number one
prospect coming in and can play multiple positions on offense,
can play multiple positions, although most of them not very
well on defense. Bagley would be my guy because of
his offensive versatility. Now you'd go Badlee over Luca. Were
you watching any of that real Madrid. I was, I was,
I have it right here on my TV, right in front.
(39:47):
I mean, for me, he is what you want me.
He's got to be a LightsOut defender. But whether it's
two three small balls, this guy can I just love
his team, I would think feeling wise, he blows away
Marvin Bagley ceiling like I think Badley could come in
and be what seventeen and nine as a rookie maybe,
but what can he can he go much higher than that? Does?
Did you see him being Karl Anthony Towns and five
(40:09):
and twelve all NBA? I just don't see that. I
mean he looks a step slow defensively. We know that
they had to go to the zone last year because
he couldn't guard a man a man, And I just
didn't see that dog in him. When you don't watch
that Kansas game, Dude, he want like an entire half
with no rebounds. I mean, like Badley, I don't love him.
And and as as such, I would go Luca one
(40:31):
and I would take eight and two, I actually think,
And Doug, I know you know a lot about this
guy Jaren Jackson. For me, he's the guy who has
even a higher ceiling badly, you know, very bouncy. He's
still growing. I think he's only one team. I actually,
if it were me running the team, I would look
closer at Jaren Jackson then Marvin back. Jaren Jackson looks
(40:52):
the part um he's gonna have change the shot. He
goes and spends no rotation. He's fine, He's good. He
does not have the the off, the drible skill of
of Marvin Bagley. Um, are you a true will Will
Trey Young be more Jimmer or will he be more
Steph in the nbammer. It's got a good shot. I mean, listen,
you know everybody who goes to Orlando kind of ends
(41:13):
up failing, sort of like Sacramento in the East. But
I have some faith Untray Young. You know, he created
no side. I know. I know he's very tiny with
six six eighties my size. But ultimately I think Trey
Young will be a factor. Yeah, I think. I don't
think he's gonna put up two m vps like Korean shoot.
If he had arms it looked like Jason. If he
(41:34):
had arms look like yours, this wouldn't be a question, right,
No one would be. On the other hand, I do
not believe you're close to six feet tall. So hold on,
look back up, back up to Trey youngle quick, So
where are you on this? You're not thinking he's jimmer.
I think he's more jimmer than he is. Stephr. Wow,
you don't even think he will average game eber in
the league, not on a team that wins games. Now, no,
(41:57):
could could he average it? Yeah? I mean you know
you can on that. Will Trey Young be an All
NBA point guard enough by the time he's forty eight,
I'll take I'll take that. We'll do dinner on that one.
And you'll say, no, All NBA, All NBA, All NBA
is like Team Lowery's for team all NBA. Got it?
You know, got it. I'll go now alight like a deal.
(42:19):
Gund have a great show tomorrow and get my paid,
get my dinner. You were in Orange County last week
and then you got my my wife. We're hiking. We're
doing something. Appreciate the love, Thanks Jason. All right, dou
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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